Red Ice TV - Forn Siðr & The Tenets of Sedian Belief

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00:04:59.860 and it just kind of set me on my quest I just started out with curiosity I just wanted to

00:05:04.640 know more about it I didn't you know really adopt it or accept it for like at least a couple years

00:05:09.280 after that and then um you know I started getting involved with it and I started I kind of went

00:05:15.260 through three iterations of it myself where it was you know kind of started out with a lot of

00:05:19.980 the new age books and things that you know because this is back in the 80s we didn't have the

00:05:23.600 internet there was none of that back then so we had to go to bookstores we had to get what was

00:05:27.800 available and so a lot of that was you know the Llewellyn press books and stuff like that and

00:05:32.900 so there was very new age stuff and then then you know later on I met some people from like the

00:05:38.060 Austro Alliance and the Austro Free Assembly I believe it was at the time later became an

00:05:41.880 Austro Folk Assembly um the Odinic Rite a lot of these organizations and I started learning from

00:05:46.200 them and then then I started to you know kind of go into my own thing where I started you know figuring

00:05:51.420 out um you know the Varnseether and this how this becomes like Setianism and we you know started the

00:05:58.760 Northern Society around I think 2006 2007 something like that um put our first books out and we really

00:06:05.780 wanted to show people the religious aspect of this what is the religion and how does it break down

00:06:11.740 and in order to do that we had to ask a lot of questions and that that's really how it all started

00:06:15.920 interesting how did you pronounce I would pronounce it no norway or not right because it's a Danish

00:06:20.860 um founder of the society originally right how do you how do you pronounce it well the oe is the

00:06:27.500 the combined uh form so norana norana society maybe something like that okay yeah something like that

00:06:33.080 well in old norse the oe is like a ur sound so it'd be norna norna okay norna society okay that

00:06:38.800 makes sense right so this was uh basically means yeah it means to speak old norse basically yes oh okay

00:06:44.340 yeah yeah okay that makes sense um yeah it was like a 20th century publishing house dedicated to

00:06:49.560 northern european culture it published expensive uh expansively produced reprints of classic 19th

00:06:56.140 century uh edition editions obviously old norse literature things like that folklore european

00:07:01.140 folklore uh and you said but just before we come on you actually reach out to the family of

00:07:05.420 rasmus b anderson uh who founded this society originally what what happened with that that might

00:07:10.800 been an interesting story for people to hear well yeah so i contacted them and i and i explained them

00:07:15.660 what we were trying to do and you know and our work had really started out with um the work of

00:07:20.240 victor i say ryberg i know it's anglicized but it's easier that's a little bit harder for my

00:07:28.680 american so we say ryberg that's what we say ryberg but ride the berg there you go

00:07:33.920 yeah sorry so we you know but the thing is is that his work you know became the epicenter of

00:07:40.860 everything that we were doing um kind of built on everything that we were uh creating and anderson

00:07:46.200 was the one who translated his books into english for the first time and um i started studying uh

00:07:52.400 to read there right just say victor it's uh victor yeah victor's works and uh i started studying his

00:08:00.620 books and i began to understand this religion i began to understand what it was and it became clear

00:08:07.840 to me what our path was forward um his books you know became something that was like a catalytic moment

00:08:14.360 for all of us because you had all of these people that were coming together and they were trying to

00:08:19.420 translate these texts and putting their own interpretations on them and building all of

00:08:23.500 these ideas for them but none of them none of them looked at this as a religion okay and that's that's

00:08:30.060 so pivotal for all of us everybody who is looking at this ancient belief system everybody who's trying

00:08:35.300 to understand what it is um when you look at the other academic schools of thought you see that these

00:08:40.740 people never saw it as a religion they saw it as like personifications of the force of nature

00:08:45.540 or archetypes or you know replicas of foreign gods they all of these schools of thought and we have

00:08:51.780 a series on our youtube channel where we go over the academic schools of thought and how they interpreted

00:08:57.020 these texts right and victor his his whole premise was that this was a religion these were religious

00:09:04.240 people and he examined it from that perspective and even goes into how that changes the psychology of

00:09:09.900 everything oh interesting yeah i remember in school we learned about victor rudberg some of his work

00:09:15.420 in the the early and and how important that was and again folklore mythology uh storytelling and

00:09:21.480 bringing this out it's it's i'm wondering how what it was like for them at that point like how much

00:09:25.780 was just lost obviously because of you know christianization and stuff like that but they're

00:09:30.280 like re it's kind of like yeah i guess it's a no it's not the right term obviously like a norse

00:09:34.660 renaissance right you bring all this back and it's the romantic era of the uh you know 1800s 1900s

00:09:41.340 something like that and a lot of more europeans at that time beginning to show an interest uh in old

00:09:46.500 forgotten kind of european history right right and and that was the thing is that you know uh victor

00:09:52.180 started out his career um basically you know we got into the the limelight there when he started to

00:09:58.080 challenge some of these other schools primarily the nature school um the nature school had built a lot

00:10:03.780 of theories and ideas that these were not um native stories that they were you know replicated from

00:10:09.360 either greek or christian stories and that they had been filtered through um by these people and

00:10:14.660 they they weren't they didn't have anything to do with this culture and and people you know for the

00:10:18.880 ever since the eddas were discovered um you know the poetic edda and all this stuff was discovered

00:10:24.300 people were looking at it these are our native culture this is our native heritage and all that stuff

00:10:28.560 and then this guy uh ac bang and sophis buga they come together and they're saying no this is all just

00:10:34.200 biblical stories rehashed and victor came along and said no like that's not true and he actually

00:10:39.560 he he created such a a damning treatise towards these guys saying this that like ac bang's career

00:10:46.900 was destroyed because like he had to he was a bishop and he had to go back and he had to leave

00:10:51.580 and so this what we call this is the epic method because what victor was putting together and what

00:10:57.780 he was designing was an ancient epic and he understood this from voluspa right and showing

00:11:03.720 that this this epic was part of the ancestral tradition and this was the religion and so

00:11:10.040 understanding the epic when you look at it all of it how it plays out and you see the pieces fall

00:11:16.260 together you can't unsee that yeah and so that's what our work sort of centered around and the idea was

00:11:22.080 that there was this like epic chain that existed within all these different cultures and this epic chain

00:11:26.820 played itself out and then when local stories would develop that's what later became like folk tales

00:11:31.980 you know uh fairy tales things like that but then you had the grander religious epic and so when we saw

00:11:39.340 that and i was understanding what what victor was saying what he was putting together then i you know

00:11:45.220 sought myself to reconstruct this in the in the most religious way that i could and i put out the also

00:11:52.100 true etta right now we're going to change that because like i said we've moved forward to setianism

00:11:56.600 yes and you know we'll get into all that but the uh but the idea was to at that time when we put the

00:12:02.240 also true to etta etta together the idea was to demonstrate the validity of this epic as a religious

00:12:08.760 you know text or or concept and so when we put all that together and we started really you know finding

00:12:16.000 these pieces and you just see them fall together then it becomes undeniable it really does yeah

00:12:21.840 interesting so yeah tell us about the the the term there or why you um i guess favor uh the the old

00:12:28.860 norse term is food say that right or food see it you'd say swedish norwegian uh it's again basically

00:12:35.020 a way of saying old customs or whatever as opposed to uh well i mean obviously paganism has enough

00:12:40.620 negative connotations kind of around it that i understand uh but i think even all so true right

00:12:46.080 uh and von uh vona through is those are more modern terms i believe right to try to kind of

00:12:51.660 understand i mean again everyone knows what it is the osir is the old gods the vona is the other

00:12:56.340 kind of branch of the gods uh but a common term excuse me is also true um right was there something

00:13:02.620 about the terms you're just like i kind of like that or did you seek more of the ancient traditions

00:13:06.780 what what made you pivot towards uh fun said as opposed to also true well the one thing was is that

00:13:13.480 as we were growing with our understanding of this faith and these traditions and building the things

00:13:19.120 that we were building you know we were kind of coming at a crossroads um you know we we appreciate

00:13:24.780 and value all of the organizations that have built in the past and have developed things and and we know

00:13:30.380 that we you know we're kind of resting on the shoulders of a lot of these people who who set up

00:13:35.260 these things and built it but there was a comes there came a time when our work became so vast and we put

00:13:41.240 out so much information that we started to understand that like you know this was the ancestral

00:13:46.360 tradition and it was something incredibly important for us as you know was reconstructing this what we

00:13:53.180 call theological reconstruction to understand these arguments and build upon them right and we started

00:13:59.640 to get a lot of uh pushback from people because you know they had been used to doing things a certain

00:14:05.120 way that they had been doing since the 70s you know a lot of the books that had been put out a lot of

00:14:09.900 these different things that had uh been developed and and our thing is from day one our goal is to

00:14:16.640 practice and celebrate ancestral tradition and so if if that argument is your basis what we're building

00:14:24.740 this upon and then we find things that contradict that then we speak out against it we just tell the

00:14:30.280 truth like no i'm sorry that's not a tradition that's not you just made that up or somebody in the

00:14:34.680 70s made it up or or whatever right and so as we got pushback from this we started to see that there

00:14:40.880 was you know there was kind of a a separation that was taking place not so much a separation but just

00:14:45.800 with just more of a definition there was a defining terminology that needed to exist

00:14:50.460 yeah right and so what we wanted to do is make sure that when people come to the table and they become

00:14:57.080 seti and they know exactly what they're getting into so that the definition doesn't get changed it doesn't

00:15:02.940 get to become like this big umbrella term and that's what i think has been the detriment to all

00:15:07.980 of it you know to to also true to uh odonism to um you know to all these different paganism heathenism

00:15:14.980 stuff like that they become these blanket terminologies where just anybody can come and

00:15:19.640 just do whatever they want and say this is what it is and then those people you know those people

00:15:24.920 build cults of personality and those cults of personality develop and it becomes well that's the guy

00:15:29.900 and so it doesn't matter what the ancestors said it matters what this guy said yeah and so that's

00:15:35.680 that's why i kind of you know label myself orthodox you know because i believe in the sources i believe

00:15:41.240 in the ancient material because i believe in ancestral religion and the end the only ancestral religion

00:15:45.980 exists from these ancient texts that's it there is nothing else yeah yeah no interesting and as i said

00:15:52.920 we're going to go through that uh we're going to show the the 16 tenets of sadianism and go go through

00:15:58.560 them and all that so i just want to ask you about the uh about the look the griffin is an interesting

00:16:03.220 choice because i know you have another one which i think or i showed on the website there which is

00:16:07.380 interesting which is basically this what do you call it four four by four armed uh depiction uh with

00:16:14.960 a rooster on top which comes from i believe let me see here i think it's the uh over hug doll tapestry

00:16:21.500 right that's it yeah right yeah um now this is very interesting it's a group of extraordinary

00:16:25.900 well-preserved textiles dating from the late viking age and early middle ages were discovered in the

00:16:31.780 village of over hug doll and in harrier doll in sweden uh and there's some incredible uh you know

00:16:37.220 symbolism and as you can see on one of them right in the middle there uh is that one that you picked

00:16:41.300 up tell us about uh what what attracted you to that what you see in that the symbol right well the

00:16:47.820 first thing was uh is i want to i want to uh go over the griffins oh yeah yeah sorry i didn't drop that

00:16:53.560 so the uh the thing was is and a lot of people give me flack over this do they why a griffin

00:16:59.780 right right um we actually have the we actually have found some scandinavian artifacts that have

00:17:05.660 griffins on them right so there's a thing is that's not why we chose it okay why we chose it

00:17:10.740 is because when ross miss anderson was uh putting out all of his books in the in the norna library right

00:17:16.900 um when he was putting those texts out he he had a blurb like a little graphic that he put at the

00:17:22.320 beginning of every one of them and it'd have like the norna society on it and then it'd have like

00:17:26.300 you know this little description of the book and in that little blurb was a a little the little

00:17:31.860 shield with the ns and then he had these i mean they were they were griffins you could tell they

00:17:36.240 kind of but they kind of looked to me like flamingos with wings

00:17:39.260 i'm glad i didn't met him pink like flamingos with lion bodies you know and i was like okay i'm not

00:17:46.220 using that and uh so you're toughing him up a bit right so i was like this is the only thing i can

00:17:52.900 find that looks like that's a you know somewhat of a symbol of this yeah this you know organization

00:17:57.700 and so we just went with that too because it's the whole thing the whole idea of setting up this

00:18:01.840 society is to um you know to basically pay homage to these great men who you know put together these

00:18:08.120 great texts and anderson was an amazing person i mean he actually is the reason why we have

00:18:12.500 leaf erickson day um yes his books are in the you know the roosevelt library yeah i mean this is a

00:18:18.140 huge deal and and his bringing forth of victor's books for us you know is is pivotal it started

00:18:24.220 everything for us and we we have gone so far i mean i have i have personally written like 16 books

00:18:30.860 and i have put out like information using this epic method starting and the epic method i should break

00:18:37.740 down real quick yes it's the idea that we um we see an epic within the stories and then we always

00:18:43.240 place the poetic edda as our highest source because it is the heathen source a lot of people will see

00:18:49.860 contradictions in uh you know from snorri's prose edda and they'll think oh we're contradicting that

00:18:54.860 it's like no snorri is contradicting the poetic edda which is the source he actually cites the poetic edda

00:19:01.160 right and so it becomes like a hierarchy of sources like a pyramid and we put the poetic edda on the top

00:19:07.200 and then the prosetta and then the histories and it just goes down and building that hierarchy

00:19:11.380 has allowed us to see and do so much more than everybody ever imagined we could do yeah so you

00:19:17.640 have to kind of piece it together right you look at your donna's work the getica you look at uh

00:19:22.600 saxogrammaticas you look at you know different uh stories and different things that's all but

00:19:28.400 different people and you try to you know correlate essentially as much as you can right that's how you

00:19:32.500 kind of build a picture right yeah exactly and that was really what it started because it started

00:19:36.960 you know with the mythos with the legends the stories and we saw all of these pieces fall

00:19:41.560 together and then you could start to see because you have a theological presentation there and once

00:19:46.920 you have a theological basis you could start seeing why not not just what do we do when we bloat or

00:19:53.000 honor honor the gods or practice this religion but why do we do it and that's the most important

00:19:58.220 thing because once you start looking at the why you start building philosophy you start understanding

00:20:02.740 you know cosmology eschatology you know actual religion and like and i've had you know people

00:20:08.920 from other religions contact me like hindus and people like that contact me and say like this is

00:20:14.580 it like this is how this works you know this is the functional presentation of how a religion should be

00:20:20.340 and uh and it was it was like this idea that you know so many people um would see you know and some

00:20:27.100 of these guys from the outside would see like there there's this sort of ongoing argument where

00:20:31.560 when people are being political it's like it's it's like this it must be this way right but then when

00:20:37.260 they become religious everybody turns into like these hippies three loving liberals yeah universalists

00:20:43.560 and like everything it's kind of the same it's kind of the same yeah i mean obviously whatever you want

00:20:49.120 it to be and it's like no yeah i know i mean obviously there are some correlations here and there i think

00:20:53.480 it's not enough but that doesn't mean it's the same thing obviously you know kind of thing right but

00:20:57.180 anyway so that yeah that's very very interesting um what about the do you want to say something

00:21:02.160 about the tapestry i was showing there oh yeah when did you come across that yeah yeah so we adopted

00:21:07.880 that you know because you can see that this tapestry is basically uh there are theories it's it's

00:21:13.400 a ragnarok that they're looking at and all that and the um but the the tree it's it's it's

00:21:18.520 yggdrasil right that's okay yeah yeah that's what it is and so they all scholars pretty much

00:21:23.640 agree on that there's actually some runestones that have some similar trees that have that

00:21:27.740 very similar to that rooster on top and uh so this this is an ancient symbol and it represents you know

00:21:33.920 the central you know thing in our whole religion this is the tree of of yggdrasil the tree of life

00:21:40.800 and or whatever you want to call it right yeah and so uh we um you know we see that as a very holy

00:21:46.300 very sacred symbol and you know it was something that we felt that would uh very well represent what

00:21:52.580 we're trying to do yeah interesting yeah yeah i learned about it after seeing i think i think it

00:21:56.620 was your post on telegram where i saw that i i'd uh i'd seen it in passing but i didn't know much

00:22:01.400 details about it so that's very very interesting i'm just so glad that they still are discovering

00:22:05.420 and finding things and there's still you know so much coming out about this stuff you know but

00:22:09.540 yeah classic is a viking ship depiction on there too which really looks like those old rock carvings

00:22:14.740 you know one of the logos we use obviously but anyway uh okay so should we uh what would you like

00:22:21.440 to preface here in terms of seating and sitting before we kind of get into and just showing actually

00:22:25.820 the 16 tenants here well the one thing is is that you know we did break away from the whole concept of

00:22:32.860 you know the the the ancient part right because we understand that what was taking place that our

00:22:39.020 ancestors were representing themselves at is they were seeing the the oncoming uh christian faith

00:22:44.260 that was moving into their areas and all that stuff and so they were trying to define themselves

00:22:49.280 and differentiate themselves from the new religion the new custom right and so um we dropped that

00:22:56.100 and just call ourselves sedian because it for us it's the customs you know it is it is the way for us to

00:23:01.900 live to be and we have a philosophy around that um the primal endowment concept right so we have um

00:23:10.820 the rigstula right which is the the poem where heimdall comes and he basically you know brings culture to

00:23:17.720 man brings you know sets up the castes and and builds uh gives us the tradition itself and these are in

00:23:24.820 the form of the afindrunner and the alderrunner right and so these these terms um afindrunner means

00:23:32.220 um runes of earthly life and we believe that the interpretation of that would be basically how to

00:23:37.700 practice the faith right because rune can mean like secrets it's kind of like trade secrets you see that

00:23:43.600 in a lot of these different a lot of people think it's the letters they're referring to but they're

00:23:47.240 referring to like the the secret things that were they you know the way they were basically the

00:23:51.560 breakdown of it the concept behind it right and so it's the idea of earthly life is you know how do

00:23:57.460 you revere the gods how do you honor them how do you you know pray to them how do you sacrifice them

00:24:02.320 to them and then the alderrunner is would be the um the uh the lore because the alder means ages

00:24:08.860 right and so the the lore breaks down in the ages it's like the greeks had ages and we see some of

00:24:13.860 those ages mentioned in some of the texts like uh like the golden age gula alder right and uh

00:24:18.800 which is in uh right and so these these terms that exist show us that they did see these these

00:24:26.020 lore in ages and this is the religious you know body of wisdom and so the uh the idea of that is

00:24:33.580 that this primal endowment that's given to us by heimdall is the faith like it is what why we do what

00:24:40.860 we do and so and appreciating that and understanding that there is a vast difference between what we

00:24:49.800 would call cultural religion and then universal religion that needs to be exacerbated and understood

00:24:56.260 understood clearly because if we understand that this is a cultural religion then we know that the

00:25:03.000 culture is sacred and so if the culture comes from heimdall then that in itself is sacred and that

00:25:08.720 gives us a much higher duty in preserving this and reconstructing it all right very good so yes i

00:25:14.960 made a couple graphics here obviously from from 1 to 16 why don't you uh read them for us as we go

00:25:19.840 through them here okay uh let me get there or i can do that otherwise i know you're on a cell phone

00:25:24.560 too so your screen is very little so it could be hard for you to see that see the screen but yeah

00:25:28.460 all right so we believe that our gods and goddesses actively exist as literal powers within the

00:25:34.800 natural universe yes um so yeah go ahead explain that a bit yeah so the reason why we um you know

00:25:42.860 first of all we put this together and all that stuff we had a big team of people coming coming up

00:25:46.940 with all this stuff it wasn't just me writing it down and um the the idea was that we have you know

00:25:52.820 like i talked about those schools of thought before and a lot of those schools of thoughts tried

00:25:57.180 to deny the reality of the gods that the gods are just archetypes they're just people getting scared

00:26:02.300 of the thunder and they go out pray to it you know there's a there's a lot of academic um work

00:26:07.240 out there that's just arbitrary kind of nonsense once you if you look at those um those uh you know

00:26:13.800 schools of thought videos that we put out you can see that a lot of it is just it's just made up out

00:26:17.800 of their heads you know and um they and it's denying the divinity of the gods yeah this is a big debate i

00:26:25.180 mean i i mean all of the all of the things is a big debate if you wanted to be obviously everyone's

00:26:29.580 nitpicking and stuff but ultimately i think that's good right you want to try to argue your points

00:26:34.480 come to a conclusion were they real literal right were the were the ancestors at one point that later

00:26:41.280 became worshipped and then they were associated with natural forces uh obviously there is an

00:26:46.780 association would you say to to natural for some of the gods right to natural forces and things in

00:26:51.080 nature or how do you view that oh yeah i mean they are they are basically the representative of

00:26:55.880 those forces but that doesn't mean that's what they are right exactly right they become

00:27:00.620 it's the it's the force that were anthropomorphized together no maybe not together it's not the right

00:27:06.980 term either but like the association is there i guess maybe that's a better term there's an

00:27:12.020 association there um right okay so yes that they're they're they're actually actively exist as literal

00:27:19.040 powers that's interesting uh because not i don't think every um so-called pagan right believe believe

00:27:24.540 that they just say is that more the universalist kind of perspective to a certain extent well it's

00:27:30.640 just kind of an old way for them to explain the world and that's it or or how do you think that

00:27:35.220 breaks down well i i do think that that we do see it on and on every sphere you know um focus and

00:27:41.940 universalists because there are a lot of people who've been influenced by a lot of these books you

00:27:46.740 know a lot of these works that were put out and like i said you know a lot of them in the 70s

00:27:51.040 things like that came out and a lot of these people don't believe in these gods you know a lot

00:27:54.740 of them are atheists a lot of them they didn't they didn't believe in this as a faith and and they try

00:27:59.100 to interpret it from modern perspectives and modern viewpoints and try instead of trying to actually

00:28:04.760 like i said practice ancestral religion yeah and see it through the eyes of the ancestors and so like

00:28:10.860 if you're thinking that the gods are just archetypes like i tell people nobody ever worship the symbol

00:28:15.220 symbol you know you don't go fight wars over a symbol you know i mean like it's a people it's a

00:28:21.360 faith it's a culture it's a whole thing symbols are just at the forefront of that and you see them

00:28:26.180 but it's not what it is right right yeah it's almost like what would you call them like as

00:28:30.620 spite heathens maybe or something like that they they they are not christian and they don't want to be

00:28:37.140 and it's almost like they're more interested in trying to piss off christians so then they offer this

00:28:41.700 or something right kind of right yeah and i i tell i've warned people i've actually warned people

00:28:45.920 since we started all of this to not delve into anti-christianity um i'm not here to attack christians

00:28:52.120 i'm not here to come after them i'm here to build my faith and keep building it until it's up you know

00:28:57.120 in the stratosphere yeah and that's what i'm going to keep doing you know sounds good sounds good all

00:29:00.940 right number uh number two all right we we fundamentally accept that our gods and their creation are good

00:29:09.020 as they manifest the cosmic order all right so this one is basically the idea you know that

00:29:15.560 we don't want to promote any concept of moral relativism we want people to understand that law

00:29:21.660 is a thing that that is something that's fundamental to these beliefs and that we actually have found

00:29:27.640 because i just uh recently put out a new book of the avon lober and this is this book is uh a book of

00:29:33.680 law you know it's it basically means the laws of earthly life it connects to that you know avon

00:29:38.640 the runer i was talking about and so the the idea is that these there were laws that existed we traced

00:29:45.140 them back to the furthest antiquity and we demonstrated that this was the law now what

00:29:51.220 academics were looking for and why they were saying these people were didn't they didn't have any

00:29:54.540 religious laws or anything like that is they're looking for some like kind of catechism some text

00:29:58.840 of religious laws that's just for this specific group but for the these people their whole culture

00:30:04.560 was the faith and so everything they manifested was the religion and so they didn't need a special

00:30:10.500 book it was the laws that were codified and we found many of the germanic law codes and we actually

00:30:15.620 found you know people uh christians i think it was uh boreas uh who wrote that you know we christians

00:30:22.100 have taken these old heathen laws and we've codified them added our christian laws to them but these

00:30:27.420 laws are from the heathen people yeah and so like all of these law codes are from our faith

00:30:32.540 and every one of them has a section when they have the christian you know influence into it that it's

00:30:38.760 just a section they add every time they just say these are the christian laws all the rest of them

00:30:43.080 are the heathen laws and and some of them have been actually like religiously like you know manifested

00:30:49.620 they actually represent a religious concept such as uh in the lex presionum they have the uh the the law

00:30:55.940 that says if you if you steal from a a sacred you know shrine or temple that you will be castrated

00:31:01.820 and sacrificed to the god who you stole from you know that's a religious law yeah for for heathen

00:31:07.440 people yeah and so that's the concept that we're we're talking about here because so many people

00:31:12.220 were just oh no there's no laws just do whatever you want to yeah there's no morality nothing like

00:31:15.840 that which is bullshit obviously yeah i know now yeah i we get we got to go through some of that too

00:31:20.980 i wish we just we didn't have to but you know it's good it's good to cover some of that

00:31:24.600 where do you get your morality from it's like well it's it's you know we have we have obviously some

00:31:28.880 uh i'm not sure if you agree with that or not but um just the idea too that these were

00:31:34.740 i don't know how to put this and i want to be too long-winded about this whole idea but like

00:31:40.280 to write it down always i'm not saying that they didn't because they did at some point they even had

00:31:45.800 there's uh there's evidence that they wrote on on birch bark for example as as one means of you

00:31:51.240 know paper obviously they wrote on stones runestones but but i'm saying right this was

00:31:55.540 the oral tradition is this idea that the people is is they are the law right it's within us it's

00:32:04.200 alive we are it you don't have to if you lose yourself you lose the law if you lose the law

00:32:08.760 you've lost yourself kind of thing right that it wasn't this constant just like writing it down it's

00:32:12.980 kind of a i mean i'm not going to say it entirely that it's just kind of some middle eastern kind of

00:32:16.800 idea but it is it is interesting that it was like it was something that we cared the oral tradition

00:32:21.520 was immensely important right would you agree with that yeah well they also had the concept of the

00:32:26.900 law speaker right and the law speaker we find in several different germanic cultures and these

00:32:31.700 guys were basically a living law library and and they were actually one of the original checks and

00:32:37.560 balances against the king because the king you know these guys the king could come and try to do

00:32:42.840 something the law speaker says no because they have every single law memorized right they could

00:32:47.740 say no this is against the law you can't do this and so that's one of the things that we see once

00:32:52.780 christianization begins a lot of these guys these kings are trying to gain immense wealth and use the

00:32:58.940 roman you know power structure to develop that wealth and the first thing they did was start to

00:33:03.820 dissolve the role of the law speaker yeah i mean there's a classic um again i'll switch over to this

00:33:10.240 real quick it's kind of an interesting story again we have 16 of them go through so i don't want to be

00:33:13.580 too long winded but yeah yeah something called eric's gota which basically means eric is like

00:33:18.500 the singular ruler or you know one ruler uh of the people but he got i mean street he actually had to

00:33:25.180 walk a specific path through the entire country this way in specifics here right but uh where every

00:33:30.820 tribe every representative kind of of each group every each little um you know it wasn't a kingdom

00:33:36.900 technically whatever you want to call it but the chief of those areas could accept or deny the king

00:33:42.540 based on that right is he upholding the law for example you have a classic story where blut sven which

00:33:47.640 is the king that did observe the blut uh there was a fight there between uh inge uh as the as the king

00:33:54.120 of sweden at the time the one did not want to do the blut the other one did and it was like a huge

00:33:57.540 dispute over this which basically was back to the law thing that you were talking about that like

00:34:01.380 he is a represent he's not he's not the singular ruler it didn't work like that he was ultimately

00:34:07.180 just a representative of all the different groups to try to unify them and if one didn't approve them

00:34:11.620 he could no longer be king essentially right right so that's interesting i've never seen him yeah

00:34:16.860 yeah that's a very interesting um kind of method i guess to keep the king in check not to have you

00:34:22.820 know this idea of a monarch is very different right a singular ruler uh that can just dictate down

00:34:29.200 germanic society still kind of had a bottom up right you did have representatives of each tribe

00:34:34.700 and they had a say and they were basically had to be in unison to appoint one who was the you know

00:34:39.460 the the ruler essentially over everyone um all right the third one here all right well we model our

00:34:46.860 lives upon the traditional worldview of germanic polytheism now we wanted to make sure that we

00:34:53.580 maintained the concept of polytheism and that this is germanic um this represents many

00:34:59.000 different tribes the german people the austrian people the english people the the scandinavians

00:35:04.060 you know all of these different people are are represented under this worldview and we are seeking

00:35:09.880 to build our lives around it as traditional people that's why we use the term setian it's it really

00:35:15.480 goes into the whole idea of it that basically when we're using this term we're just saying that we

00:35:20.620 are germanic traditionalists it's a germanic term it was used to represent this ancient faith

00:35:25.460 and it's really just you know when you're looking at it as like the ones that follow the customs or

00:35:29.420 the ones who are customary they're traditionalists it's very simple you know yeah and that's what we

00:35:34.080 follow and and we believe very very strongly in this and we believe that this is something that

00:35:39.020 should um be manifested in the modern world very good four all right this belief represents all the

00:35:45.560 tribes of the germanic peoples and their descendants um the reason why we did that is because there has

00:35:50.360 been a push um over many years to try to sectionalize this belief system based on the culture

00:35:55.840 that uh existed and we don't seek to do that we are pan germanicists um we want the the people who

00:36:02.320 have the old high german and anglo-saxon and the saxon and the scandinavian all this stuff i mean all of

00:36:08.000 this we don't see these differences that a lot of people try to point out you know i actually did a

00:36:13.320 work uh uh basically a little write-up on uh tacitus's germania right yes and uh on his germania

00:36:20.460 you know a lot of people point out well there's differences yeah there's like five he goes over

00:36:26.020 like 25 30 similarities and there and when you really look at what he says this is the thing that

00:36:31.440 differentiates this group it's very aesthetic it's not central and and the similarities are vast

00:36:37.280 and it's like these were the same peoples and i don't think anybody denies that you know it's like

00:36:41.860 this these are the same culture the same peoples they just manifested it in different ways you you

00:36:46.840 talk about like okay the goths the invo on us the uh you know the angles whatever the saxons like that

00:36:53.100 yeah it's the same route people but it's undeniable that at the time you had you have you have to have

00:36:58.800 more central organization where you are these people can just travel you know back you know to keep that

00:37:03.200 together it's amazing that they did considering the distances and how you had to travel and all those

00:37:07.940 things anyway right i mean i think every ninth ninth year basically every germanic tribe went to the

00:37:13.780 central bluth in upsala for example right you just imagine that alone as a organizing that and getting

00:37:20.080 so many people to travel every ninth year you know that's amazing right well you also got to look at

00:37:24.880 that a lot of these people were related you know like when you look at the the the account of

00:37:29.960 widekind like his brother-in-law was the king of denmark you know like yeah this is the one of the

00:37:35.300 you know the highest anglo-saxon heroes and his brother-in-law is the king of denmark these people

00:37:40.060 were all related they were all connected they had this idea they're all just separated on it it's

00:37:44.300 all vast you know they didn't even know who each other were yeah no that's that's bullshit i don't

00:37:48.420 think you see that yeah exactly yeah all right we'll move on all right our culture is the traditional

00:37:53.520 ethnic expression of our folk and it is our duty to preserve it very important that's just pretty much

00:37:57.780 we are a focus group yep that's it exactly no uh no bullshit anybody can join for whatever reason and

00:38:03.300 yeah exactly right it's tied to ethnicity it's an ethnic folk religion exactly um okay number six

00:38:08.940 we got here nice all right we reject all forms of syncretism and universalism as this denies the

00:38:14.840 uniqueness of our tribal divinities yeah kind of an extension to five there in a way yeah right yeah

00:38:19.940 and i just i'll just go over one real quick thing on that you know um i have a great amount of respect

00:38:25.740 for traditional cultures i try to go and interact with those traditional cultures as much as i can

00:38:30.960 because i believe that that's truly folkish you know i've hung out with shinto people i've been to

00:38:36.400 their temples um they're probably one of the neatest like modern representations of a folk group

00:38:41.920 today i've spoken with like traditional uh chinese folk religion i've spoken with uh people in hawaii

00:38:48.360 i've gone to mexico and spoken with mayans and stuff like that and it's like you really when you're

00:38:54.600 representing yourself to these people who are actual traditional i'm not talking about like the

00:38:59.500 weirdos in america who get in all kinds of nonsense right i'm talking about like these

00:39:03.300 people who do this and you tell them i i am a traditional you know folkish person who believes

00:39:09.360 in this culture like it's it's it's such an amicable concept and it's something that where they're just

00:39:14.980 like yeah this is great you know like this is it and they understand that that this is my belief

00:39:20.240 and that's their belief and we're not here to blend that all together exactly no exactly very unique

00:39:24.860 very distinct and we keep that separate doesn't mean you can um you know find interest in other

00:39:29.840 groups but ultimately it's not it's not ours uh that's theirs when we have our own too i mean look

00:39:34.920 at how western man overall have been glorifying all these other cultures and oh look at that you know

00:39:40.300 look at how beautiful you know what is it the um the noble savage kind of idea and things like this

00:39:45.540 right but like we have our own unique cultural our heritage our our ethnic makeup and uh it's being

00:39:51.700 revived it's very uh very very good interesting seven right all right the gods gave us their

00:39:56.680 sacred teachings which we live in accordance with all right this is goes back into the idea of like

00:40:02.480 following the ancestral sources using this material researching it understanding it and building your

00:40:08.180 faith off of it good all right eight all right we select our priesthood from the righteous and wise

00:40:14.820 who are knowledgeable in our lore law and rights now this is an incredibly important one um because this goes

00:40:20.720 into something that i'm actually involved in right now um we have seen in the past and and this is

00:40:25.780 not meant to denigrate anybody but there's just like this idea that you know you read a couple books

00:40:30.960 yada yada yada somebody you know sprinkles you with some water and then you become a goldie or priest

00:40:36.380 right and um we're actually trying to build and understand this better we've done a lot of work and research

00:40:43.880 into into the priesthood we see in the land nama book there's this uh they actually mention that

00:40:50.160 their priesthood was chosen from the most righteous amongst them the most righteous and wise right and

00:40:55.940 so we are actually trying to educate people we've actually built an online university that we are

00:41:01.000 educating our priesthood with um it's called kavasar academy oh yeah i was gonna ask you about that

00:41:06.140 later exactly okay interesting yeah so this this academy is going to go into a vast amount of

00:41:13.000 material like we're into our second semester right now with our first class and we've we're teaching

00:41:18.520 everybody about what it means to perform ritual what ritual is how it works and all that and it's it's

00:41:25.560 been just so incredibly fruitful i was really worried because it's a really big class i mean you're

00:41:30.680 talking about if you want to go all the way with it you know you're looking at three years of

00:41:34.220 research or study and work just to become like the first level which is bloat goldie right and then

00:41:40.680 if you want to become goldie you'd go into the next three years and then hold goldie would be the

00:41:45.240 another so it's nine years if you want to go all the way so it's not a joke it's not some game that

00:41:50.000 we're playing we're really literally trying to give people collegiate level education in order to help

00:41:55.880 them to understand what this religion is and then how you can go forth as a truly like truly

00:42:01.460 knowledgeable individual and then how to manifest this religion in the modern world well i think

00:42:06.200 that's important to kind of weed out i guess those are just kind of attracted to the newness if that's

00:42:11.060 a term of of the thing which is ultimately good i'm not saying that's bad that's good good that people

00:42:15.480 feel that initial wow this is cool you know kind of thing but will it last right will it would actually

00:42:20.300 bear fruit essentially so that's important to kind of have um another level i guess of dedication to it

00:42:26.860 uh which is important uh all right nine all right we approach the world with logic and reason always

00:42:33.780 drawing on the wisdom of our gods and ancestors for guidance so this idea is just basically showing

00:42:39.080 people that we're not here you know to just delve into superstition and and nonsense you know

00:42:44.280 their ancestors you know were i mean they were they were able to coincide their polytheist beliefs

00:42:50.340 with understandings of science philosophy not talking about like becoming a platonist or anything like

00:42:55.600 kind of know something they're gonna they're gonna come after me but i'm just saying like you see

00:42:59.660 this like like i'm talking about genuine polytheist you know we're some of the people who discover

00:43:04.200 that the earth was round people who are really you know breaking down science yeah let's not start

00:43:09.960 that fight i love the subtle stabs here by the way it's very right yeah so uh so that's the thing is

00:43:16.700 that we understand that science is a thing that we want to be part of that and we believe that

00:43:20.800 understanding gods and divinity from an evolutionary perspective and from a naturalist perspective

00:43:25.920 that you can understand the divine and connect to it and relate to it i want to ask you more

00:43:30.760 a little bit more in depth about some of these things later but let's let's run through the rest

00:43:34.220 here all right yep fatalism is an integral part of our ancestral ways now this one's a fun one

00:43:41.020 that's interesting yeah that's interesting okay yeah because yeah because uh i i was going to a

00:43:48.040 gathering uh with my buddy kyle and i'm sure he's listening right now but the uh we were going in

00:43:52.260 there and i was making a joke i was like if you ever want to see a group of christians like just go

00:43:56.820 bonkers throw in the concept of predestination at one of their events and they will just start

00:44:02.240 fighting like and i swear it was like it was like karma hit me you know because uh i get to the

00:44:08.820 event and somebody did that to me during a talk they threw in the fatalism and then everybody

00:44:13.420 started it's a very controversial subject yeah i can imagine yeah the thing is for me is that you

00:44:20.560 can't have fates or norns in your religion and not have fatalism the norn servant out there are those

00:44:27.080 who basically weaves that that's the tapestry of destiny of man right they weave all of our stories

00:44:32.480 and they're intertwined and all that stuff um yeah that's okay well i'll let's talk more about

00:44:37.900 11 all right we perform the rites and prayers in a manner that is built upon a theological

00:44:44.600 understanding of our lore now this is this goes back to what we're talking about theological

00:44:49.780 reconstruction okay this is the idea that we are trying to understand why these things occur

00:44:55.360 rather than simply becoming materialist you know which we believe a lot of times that delves into

00:45:00.540 you start getting into more of like anachronism stuff you know what kind of spoon do they use and

00:45:04.820 stuff like that and that's not what i'm trying to do you know we're trying to like okay we build

00:45:10.120 this right here we understand that this thing is is a part of you know the right and then why are we

00:45:16.000 doing that and then once we start to look at the why instead of the what a lot of it starts to open

00:45:21.680 up now we want to use you know what was done and and stuff like that but we but it is you gain so much

00:45:27.280 more knowledge and so much understanding of the religion itself when you're looking at theology and

00:45:31.540 philosophy as the basis for what you're trying to build yeah yeah interesting 12 all right we follow

00:45:38.720 the sacred laws of the gods trusting that they will guide our path and knowing they will judge us

00:45:43.000 at the hell thing after death now we'll throw in there about the hell thing that was a term that we

00:45:47.860 kind of put together we know that there is a thing in hell so it's just naturally you call it the

00:45:53.220 hell thing right so uh that is something that uh that victor put together it was one of his

00:45:58.540 principle concepts is understanding the underworld and really kind of putting that whole you know

00:46:04.540 philosophy of or eschatology together within that frame and so as you understand that eschatology

00:46:11.860 you know that there is a judgment by the gods after death and then you start to understand the the you

00:46:17.960 look through the sources and you can find verses in the poetic edda where it breaks down punishments of

00:46:23.800 the damned and so once we started to understand this you know and people came at us and they're

00:46:29.200 like oh this is christian blah blah and it's like no we started to look at all polytheist religions

00:46:34.840 and understand that christianity just never even came up with this at all this is a very ancient

00:46:39.940 concept of punishment of the damn you see it in egyptian religion and hinduism and shinto and uh like

00:46:46.860 african religion mayan religion all these different belief systems has some kind of concept that when

00:46:52.000 you're a bad person you don't just get to get away with it right you know yeah and so like the idea

00:46:56.940 we have the nine needs and these needs or neither would be the uh the the things the crimes the

00:47:03.120 disgraces the things that you do that are the worst things to do you know and so you have like

00:47:08.420 adultery and murder and um you know sacrilege and things like that slander these concepts of these

00:47:14.480 ideas that people you know crimes that they would commit all of them we found in all the sources

00:47:19.560 mention an an eschatological punishment and so then when you find that there is actual remnants

00:47:25.820 of the thing of the dead you know then you can see the thing that's what the gods are talking about

00:47:30.340 we meant it mentions like uh in uh grim is small it mentions thor crossing the bridge and going down

00:47:35.880 to judge the dead um there's actually we've actually found mistranslations of like hovel mall

00:47:40.820 where they mentioned you know the the uh you know cattle die kinsmen die you yourself shall die i'm sure

00:47:46.520 you know it's a famous quote but they say like the one thing i know doesn't die and then the

00:47:51.100 translators translate as the reputation over each one dead and that's not what it says it says the

00:47:55.940 judgment use the word donor right that word means to judge judgment right and so that's what it's

00:48:01.820 referring to a judgment over the dead and so we have an eschatology it is fully fleshed out and that's

00:48:08.440 when we start to understand that sacred law is a part of this faith yeah that's right nuding right

00:48:14.400 it's like a with the world the word no nay in swedish is still the same you know have the same

00:48:20.120 connotation essentially the no no thing you can't don't do that let's not get into the

00:48:25.560 needing neither pole right the need stone i think it is right uh anyway that's a different thing let's

00:48:31.980 move on to 13 all right all right we reject evil and the celebration thereof always working for the

00:48:37.780 order of the gods now that's one thing that you know we want to make sure that we always point out

00:48:42.840 is that our gods are gods of order right they're not gods of chaos they reject chaos the entire

00:48:49.000 story the whole epic is about them crushing chaos and fighting against it and binding it

00:48:54.520 right when we see in volespa we see the the whole the whole concept when they first you know create

00:49:00.020 start creating everything they create what's called their rookstoler which is the um their their

00:49:05.000 judgment seats right it's the very first thing they make and it's the very first thing that says like

00:49:09.680 an actual creation they're making seats of judgment so they can start to put together everything

00:49:13.920 and to create this divine order right and so this is a this is a part of it it's it's always been a

00:49:19.640 part of it and it's just the it's just the convolutions that were created by academics who saw our religion

00:49:25.260 as a bunch of savages who worship the weather you know that that's that's where all the confusion is

00:49:29.720 the confusion was never in the sources because the sources just need to be meted out but all this

00:49:34.540 confusion all these weird ideas everybody got got from all these academics who were just throwing

00:49:38.440 their biases in and putting together things that are completely nonsensical and they basically

00:49:43.400 created this fallacy where you know it's like they created it is a fallacy right where it's like you

00:49:48.020 know the the causation equals origin and it's like no you know just because it is it's like something

00:49:55.120 that can be the same as something else does not mean they originated from that right exactly no

00:49:59.660 nope absolutely right interesting yeah that's very very interesting uh 14

00:50:03.840 satianism is the way we celebrate our ancient tradition in the modern world

00:50:08.520 okay that's just saying that you know we are here to to we live in the modern world and we

00:50:13.660 understand we live in the modern world we're not anachronists we're not larpers we're not trying

00:50:17.560 to dress up like vikings i'm not here to recreate the 10th century i'm here to practice my ancestors

00:50:22.280 religion yep very good 15 all right we hold the epic of our ancestors to be sacred lore

00:50:29.920 right this goes like we've talked about several times already the epic is sacred to us it's not

00:50:35.740 that the you know like when we put the all true ed together we were telling people that this book

00:50:39.960 itself is not like a bible you know it's that the epic was sacred to our ancestors and we knew that and

00:50:45.060 we were trying to meet that out and explain it to people yeah um and do you how do you um do you

00:50:54.500 weed things out is it the poetic ed at the center of that and you glean from other works

00:50:59.780 that we have or do you kind of try to look at it all combined and out of that you i mean i'm not

00:51:05.540 saying you're doing it anew but i'm just saying there's there is a lot of material out there you

00:51:09.880 know i mean so it's a it's a question of how you piece that together or what you look at or what you

00:51:14.440 exclude i guess a certain extent right well and that's the thing is um you first off you have to

00:51:20.140 always look at um the the method itself and the method itself is that the poetic ed is the highest source

00:51:25.640 right and that's how reidberg or victor he uh built a lot of his concepts and ideas right

00:51:31.300 and he's developed these and shows the research from the well we lost him hopefully the phone didn't die

00:51:40.940 uh he's back i think yeah sorry about that no worries yep you're all good yep battery good on the

00:51:48.960 phone by the way yeah yeah i just gotta call in okay no worries go ahead so uh yeah so uh basically

00:51:56.380 you know when he was building the epic he was demonstrating that this is the religious expression

00:52:02.680 of these people okay and so we have this idea that the poetic ed is at the top and that nothing gets to

00:52:09.020 contradict that that's further down okay so when we establish primary source the primary source is the

00:52:14.660 primary source you know snorri is the secondary source saxo is the secondary source these are

00:52:19.840 second these are sources that are basically gleaning off of the poetic edda and we build our

00:52:26.360 research method from that and that helps us to understand so like let's look at the story of

00:52:32.580 kvasar right because we we talk about kvasar academy right so in snorri's prosetta there is this idea

00:52:39.500 that um you know there's this being kvasar he was made from spittle and then it has the um you

00:52:44.620 know these these pots called son and uthrer and all these different um things that you know are in

00:52:50.120 this story and we actually believe that this is probably an invention of snorri sterilist and himself

00:52:53.980 because in the poetic edda these terms son and uthrer are words names of memer's well and memer is

00:53:01.000 always the the most wise of all beings he drinks daily from the if from his well he is literally

00:53:06.540 connected or tapped into the the well of wisdom there's no way anybody else could be wiser

00:53:12.140 and so this idea is probably something that snorri put together or maybe had some local legend and he

00:53:17.560 just threw names on top of it but you know so we believe that kvasar is the he he's originally memer

00:53:24.740 and this was just a story a story that snorri put together himself and so once you're looking at that

00:53:30.420 then you start to kind of discern okay this contradicts this this contradicts that this doesn't

00:53:34.860 this isn't part of the timeline this breaks apart from everything and then you can start to weed

00:53:39.840 through it all it's a it's a massive undertaking trust yeah no i get it for sure absolutely no it's

00:53:45.600 it's it is hard to wrap your head around and then you know this is impossible to answer obviously but

00:53:50.160 you always wonder right what did they not write down what's missing what's lost you know these

00:53:56.140 inevitably these will go through your head i would i would assume right oh absolutely and but the thing

00:54:02.340 is is that the at the end of the day the purpose of it is like and i tell people i am not a historian

00:54:07.820 okay i'm not here to write history books i am practicing theological reconstruction so the idea

00:54:14.760 is that we we have this religion we know it's a religion we know we have it as a religion so let's

00:54:20.340 move forward as a religion and have things that we actually believe as religious people rather than

00:54:25.640 sitting there debating over and over and over again what people were doing in the 10th century

00:54:29.360 yeah yeah it can be a little navel gazing and in some at some point it's i think it's more

00:54:35.100 important that you take part as opposed to arguing over and bicker about the details all the time

00:54:40.360 right even if you even if you don't i mean again who would confirm it right but you try to get as

00:54:44.960 accurate as it can but if there is a missing spot whatever you want to call it there's something you

00:54:49.540 just don't have any uh sources for all right well just proceed you know like what are you gonna do

00:54:55.240 yeah but that's the thing is we've done a lot i mean like the the primary basis for when we started

00:55:02.740 all this right is what i call the 12 fundamentals project and that's why we've been able to do a lot

00:55:07.540 of what we do i kind of had like an epiphany one day i was watching a video on a hindu festival and

00:55:12.920 the hindu festival you could see their whole culture on display everything people were dancing in the

00:55:17.080 streets people were serving food people were you know singing music praying to their gods like

00:55:21.820 literally you could just see all of it and i had this epiphany that if we just focused on one

00:55:25.320 aspect of the culture at a time and just really dove into that as far as we possibly could then

00:55:31.540 we gained way more knowledge because at the time you know there was a lot of books coming out where

00:55:35.640 people were just kind of putting these piecemeal kind of like you know heathen 101 texts out where

00:55:40.780 it's like a few of the gods and some runes and some you know stories and then it was just this one

00:55:45.180 book and i was like you cannot do that that's not possible this culture is way too vast

00:55:49.200 and so we have discovered so much doing that like ancient folk songs that mention our gods

00:55:54.960 we've discovered like a lot in the archaeology we've discovered these stories the ritual forms

00:56:00.260 i mean it just goes on and on and every time we put our spotlight on it we gain more and more knowledge

00:56:04.980 yeah and even like i remember uh they've it's interesting with the music right we don't have

00:56:10.700 any music we don't know what they're saying or whatever then you can go to like orkney and places

00:56:13.960 like that and you listen to how they still sing some of their choirs to this day and like they

00:56:17.620 preserve a lot of that stuff i mean right icelandic people obviously as well and uh so it is um it is

00:56:23.940 peaceable together there were swedes there were swedes who collected it like uh um arvidson uh ivar

00:56:31.620 arvidson right yeah um he had a collection called the svenska farnsanger i hope that's pronounced right

00:56:38.060 right was that what it was folk songer maybe right yeah and um basically the ancient songs of sweden

00:56:44.120 you know and uh in that collection there's like a a folk song version of thrymskvida or the stealing

00:56:50.100 of thor's hammer um there's like a folk songs that mention odin and freya and like all these different

00:56:56.360 gods and goddesses and like you know you have to go through a lot you have to sit there and piece

00:57:00.900 through them right but you'll eventually will uh you'll find gems in there yeah and it's like we

00:57:06.120 don't need tons of them we just need a few you know yeah exactly yeah that's a that's a good start

00:57:10.580 start somewhere all right 16 then all right the development of strong healthy families and

00:57:16.300 communities is the epicenter of our entire belief i don't think i need to tell anybody no that's an

00:57:21.180 important tenant oh absolutely i think people feel that more now than ever as we're being replaced and

00:57:25.540 displaced and everything else and right um you know pushed pushed out of society i can't go into one

00:57:32.040 thing real quick on that right yeah um i'll tell everybody you know i know that in the world that we're

00:57:37.160 in right now there's a lot of hopelessness there's a lot of despair right but one of the things that

00:57:42.540 we're talking about and this could be something that any of us could do well no matter what your

00:57:47.100 religion is is that we need to look back at some of our ancestral systems of of development of

00:57:53.400 community and start utilizing them um we wrote a book called the uh atar book which is the uh book of

00:58:02.480 clans and showing people how clan systems that our ancestors use which were destroyed because of power

00:58:09.580 structures that were developing in europe um because what that does what those clan systems do

00:58:15.120 is they restore local power because if you have families that are combined with one another by oath

00:58:22.160 and by law and by these different various mechanisms like marriage blood brotherhood rights things like

00:58:28.560 that you can literally create things where you can become invincible and one of my one of my favorite

00:58:35.020 um examples of that right is during the uh great depression and stuff like that people started to clan up

00:58:41.240 um they really started to to form really tight-knit communities and one of the things they had was

00:58:46.800 the penny auctions you know and you've probably heard of the penny auctions that took place yeah and it was

00:58:51.540 like these bankers were coming in and they were like we're gonna you know just completely confiscate this

00:58:56.180 and that we're gonna take it and they said okay and they go they confiscate it and then they auction

00:59:00.080 off the next day and then all the guys would show up with shotguns and they'd be like okay no one is

00:59:04.460 gonna bid on this property except for the guy who originally owned it and he's gonna bid on it for a

00:59:08.740 penny and anybody doesn't like that we're gonna take him out back and shoot him that's how clans work

00:59:14.360 yeah you know that's how empowerment works like you see the left like always using these ridiculous

00:59:19.480 terms you know when they got a girl doing porn and they're saying she's being empowered

00:59:23.280 say what power do you have define the power like the government comes in wants to shoot you in the

00:59:30.180 head how how does that stop that yeah and so it's like that's this is what we're talking about is how

00:59:36.980 we restore power for our people and never relinquish it so very um there's so many things i could say

00:59:45.180 about that but i'll just say this it just was a report that came out in sweden on the it's related to

00:59:51.500 economic crime but it's showing how these other very clannish new migrant groups are actually

00:59:56.680 taking over power by using the clan method in sweden right now they're actually like infesting

01:00:02.000 into institutions even into the police into politics into all these spheres and we're you know

01:00:07.980 they know how to do this and we we've been we we were on you know we've unlearned that over time

01:00:13.400 because of how our societies were run and now it's almost like we're we're gonna have to be for

01:00:17.740 we were forced to learn how to operate as a not only a tribe clan whatever term you prefer

01:00:22.920 essentially but we need to become tribal we need to become clannish once again uh in order to to

01:00:28.360 make this you know so it's a very good point you know um okay so i want to take a break in a little

01:00:34.060 bit these are very good points it's very interesting i want to talk more about some of them i have

01:00:38.200 specific questions and moving forward long-term plans for you guys and stuff like that too but

01:00:42.140 what so um first of all library you mentioned all the books and stuff where can people find

01:00:47.260 your material specifically everything i have is on amazon everything we've put out we use amazon

01:00:53.120 because um you know i never wanted to try to go through publishers i want to publish it myself

01:00:57.220 amazon is the best out there to do it so that's what i do so you're searching name and that you get

01:01:02.060 the author page and stuff is that how yeah yep okay perfect okay and then you of course you have on

01:01:06.180 the website there uh norena then you have the uh original norena library is that what you were

01:01:13.560 referencing a lot or is there another section on the site where people should go if they want to

01:01:18.260 look at some of the other things that you were mentioning yeah we have a publication section i think

01:01:23.060 that's what we're looking at i think so yeah library official publications right the norena uh library

01:01:28.600 that's where i'm in right now look at official publications i think that's oh can i click in

01:01:34.040 no that just opens a menu so it's either research articles or the norena library i'd have to get on

01:01:40.140 it sorry i just to say i exposed a bug live now i'm sure here's the link to the the library that you

01:01:48.680 guys have and that's on archive by the way too so that's that's cool so people can find it that's

01:01:52.420 the original library that's like our homage page you know and all that stuff okay yeah what we've

01:01:57.400 done you know um yeah you might go down here's some of the various work right there as well

01:02:01.820 here's some of you yeah there it is okay yeah there you go okay yeah perfect there it is yep

01:02:05.400 needed to scroll down yeah i remembered uh okay very good now uh quickly and again we can do more

01:02:14.240 detail here as after the break but um is your group open to uh membership uh i know you guys put on

01:02:21.760 events can anybody show up how does that work people are interested in this they want to learn more

01:02:25.720 they want to you know hang out with you guys whatever what's that like well we have people trying

01:02:30.680 to uh join the society a lot and and it's been like oh man it's been so like so much controversy

01:02:35.980 because people are used to these um community-based organizations and stuff and we are not that we

01:02:40.620 are an academic research organization and so we actively recruit talent we find people who are

01:02:45.920 you know great research they were you know aligned with us and all that stuff we have a great team of

01:02:50.900 people that are involved in our work who've helped us to put together so many incredible things

01:02:55.400 um as far as membership goes like just the open public coming to member we we push people towards

01:03:01.480 the setia nation um we have like a telegram chat we have the uh facebook groups and stuff like that

01:03:07.440 and you can find the setia nation all over the place and that's what we're trying to grow that is

01:03:11.240 our community outreach that is what we're going to try to build events around we just had our first

01:03:15.980 major event that took place i mean we've been doing events i've done like uh 300 bloats during my life

01:03:22.380 you know and all that stuff but the and i go to events i've been to a lot of odinic right

01:03:26.200 events i've done uh focus summer halloween with the ermine folk and i've done that right yeah i know

01:03:31.640 yeah they're a great group yeah great group mike is mike is awesome just fantastic and um but the uh

01:03:37.740 i've done a lot of uh other group stuff for many years you know and i always wanted to make sure that

01:03:42.440 when we started doing our stuff that it was going to be done like you know once we saw the research

01:03:48.360 completed and we really knew what we were doing and um and so we held this uh you know they held

01:03:54.000 it i wasn't able to go because uh uh family obligations and things but they held an event

01:03:58.680 in south dakota and it was phenomenal like they just did such a great job and when we hold gatherings

01:04:04.540 we um this is this is part of our research uh the gathering is called a vesla right and vesla is

01:04:10.720 basically festival you know it's the word for festival and um the the festival is broken up into three

01:04:16.320 segments you have laker which is the game times and you've shared that word because i know it's

01:04:20.860 uh retained in swedish as well yeah yeah player yep and then um you have uh the rave which is your

01:04:27.080 procession your sacred procession the ride of the gods right and then you have your book and your

01:04:32.920 these these things that take place um that basically it allows you to segment it off and see which one

01:04:38.980 you know you use and so like i said we don't try to reconstruct we're not doing viking games or any

01:04:43.820 that stuff we'll do games that are ancestral from any region and um you know saying we'll do some

01:04:49.020 modern games or whatever you know like uh we they somebody's doing spear tosses and they were doing

01:04:53.980 hammer tosses and they did um you know a lot of different like uh we'll play tavel or neva tavel

01:04:59.540 right and we'll have just a lot of different games that we present during that then we have food and all

01:05:04.400 that stuff and then we have we stop we give people that time to start reflecting upon what they're going

01:05:10.360 to do this goes into the wraith this is the uh the procession that takes place and then takes you to

01:05:16.240 the sacred area of the book right and so when you have this you know sort of segmented off um i believe

01:05:23.480 strongly that it's sort of like a birth life death kind of thing or when you're starting in the the

01:05:28.700 raid this is the the frivolity of youth becoming alive being born all that stuff and then you kind of

01:05:34.060 transition through your life and then you end up at the um you know sort of the reaching into the

01:05:39.400 other side death and all that stuff uh but not death in a bad way death is as in looking at the

01:05:44.400 ancestors looking at the gods looking at the next world very very good all right so a couple of uh

01:05:50.020 obviously uh social media channels that i'm watching or showing on screen rather uh here's

01:05:55.240 your youtube channel if people want to follow it there for there uh you got an x or twitter as well

01:06:00.100 facebook group for it and uh obviously the website is one of the main places to go uh norena i would

01:06:06.740 pronounce it i guess but norena and uh we'll have links to that down below as well uh all right

01:06:11.480 very good i this is uh very very good stuff i'm enjoying this we should be going to talk more i

01:06:15.720 want to ask you about more about some of the um other things we brought up to 16 tenants and there's

01:06:20.160 a couple of things i was like yeah we gotta go more in depth on that no problem anything else you

01:06:24.760 want to plug here before we take a short break between the segments mark uh no i think that we've

01:06:30.080 covered a lot of it you know um definitely check out our books um the the the texts that we're

01:06:35.220 talking about i just put out one uh book and it's called the setion handbook and it's just a little

01:06:41.160 it's like a promotional text it's not i i had somebody i put on a video on there about somebody

01:06:45.960 gave us a bad review because they didn't understand what we were doing i i needed something for us to

01:06:51.540 be able to just hand to somebody and say here to get them started it's basically like a baby step one

01:06:56.740 you know right and it's only like 40 pages and it's very basic like basic i wanted to make it

01:07:01.880 more basic i was trying to just whittle it down as much as i could and it was very difficult

01:07:06.220 that's just an idea that's the age we're in too i mean that's just a fact right people's attention

01:07:11.560 span and well what is it this is too complicated i can't even you know i mean just give me a manual

01:07:16.360 okay just give it to me quick yeah i don't know that's a problem in and of itself you don't always

01:07:23.460 want to kind of lower your standards i guess to that but but you guys you obviously need something

01:07:27.860 that perks people's interest and and so they can quickly find out more on how you know if you

01:07:33.160 actually dive into it these are some of the things you can't find out so it's a good idea

01:07:36.840 right uh okay very good let me take a couple of these chats here real quick thank you guys

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01:08:27.980 going to do part two more i want to ask mark about obviously uh related to the 16 tenants that's

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Red Ice TV - May 14, 2025

Forn Siðr & The Tenets of Sedian Belief - Mark Puryear

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