00:18:54.340So, EU migrant return hubs, that's what this directive that they were voting on when this came up, Send Them All Back, was in reference to.
00:19:07.700It's offshore facilities located in non-European or EU countries where member states can transfer undocumented migrants, illegal migrants, and rejected asylum seekers.
00:19:18.420These hubs act as holding or transit centers while migrants await deportation.
00:19:23.640The originating EU member states are financially responsible for the hubs that they establish,
00:19:27.300and they have to cut deal with these other countries or whatever.
00:19:30.140They're designed to accelerate the deportation of individuals whose asylum claims were rejected
00:19:35.000or who are staying in the EU illegally.0.98
00:21:14.980And so the parliament is kind of formality.
00:21:17.340I guess it'd be the House of Lords, the House of Commons, if you want to, you know, somewhat of a similar analogy.
00:21:24.760This is about EU so-called migration return hubs, which I said, which are facilities on foreign soil that we have to pay greatly for, by the way,
00:21:32.740where member states can send rejected asylum seekers and illegal migrants.1.00
00:21:37.200Sure, none of us want those third worlders in Europe, but keep in mind that Ursula von der Leyen just a couple of months ago cut a deal with India.1.00
00:39:06.360And that's why you kind of – I'm interested in politics,
00:39:10.160but like politicians is just like it's like the worst the right to deal with but like i've seen
00:39:15.700him and it's just and i see the trends too the sweden democrats with jimmy okerson uh even the
00:39:21.440vox party with um oh yeah oh gosh what's his name again i forget his name now uh um pascal what's
00:39:27.960his name is anyway yeah they've they've they've they're they're rounding off the the the sharp
00:39:34.360corners that they do have and the analogy i can take is like if you want to be the tip of the
00:39:39.280If you want to pierce through that wall of impossible political movements, I guess, that has been shielded away, blocked, banned, censored, shut down, made illegal, whatever you want to say, you still need, it needs to be sharp enough to go through that, right?
00:39:57.780If you dull it, it's no longer a trailblazer.
00:40:03.240And then, frankly, the most active people that are very driven and passionate about these questions lose momentum,
00:40:11.960and they think that they're not hard enough, and they actually walk away from them.
00:40:15.600So there's a very fine line to walk there, right?
00:40:18.720Well, you know, Martin Zellner has written a very interesting book that analyzes this question in a pretty sophisticated way.
00:40:26.600and it's called regime change from the right and the way he has analyzed it i i can't go into
00:40:34.000complete detail he's he's a really thoughtful uh political theorist as well as an activist and a
00:40:40.180uh an inspiring speaker uh i i was quite impressed by the sophistication that he brought to this
00:40:46.380analysis but he has a whole chapter on the political process in these european countries
00:40:51.240and it's completely different the united states we have the two-party system but in europe you
00:40:56.220can start a party based on an idea but as he points out if you want to have power if you want
00:41:04.920seats in parliament you of course have to appeal to a lot of people now how can you maintain your
00:41:11.980ideas your potentially dissident even revolutionary there you go that's the book how do you maintain
00:41:19.260your potentially revolutionary ideas and gain political power and that's where he talks about
00:41:26.140the necessary cooperation between the party and the people who are creating the dissident idea
00:41:34.300space. That's people like you and me. We're not looking for votes. We are looking to change
00:41:40.760people's minds, to blaze an enormous hole through all the taboos that paralyze all of the political
00:41:49.660parties. And if you have a political party that maintains informal but fruitful relations with
00:41:59.100the dissident movement of your own nation, you can have a very fruitful tension between the two.
00:42:05.520And as soon as the people who are in meta-politics, if you will, the ones who are trying to change
00:42:10.480people's minds, as soon as we have destroyed a taboo, even a small one, then the political party
00:42:18.100can gladly move into that space and get votes based on that idea whereas if we had not done
00:42:25.140the preliminary work getting idea getting votes on the basis of yet another extra so-called extreme
00:42:32.340idea would be impossible so and that's also the kind of relationship that all of these
00:42:38.580so-called nationalist parties must have with their youth groups the youth groups are always
00:42:44.180more hard right than the parties themselves because the youth groups, they're not actually
00:42:49.680running for office. They're out there in the streets doing things. So there is this constant
00:42:53.880tension between those who are metapolitical actors, if you will, people like you and me who
00:42:59.420are trying to, as I say, break taboos, get popularized, get ideas popular and no longer
00:43:06.360considered absolutely outrageous. And then the politicians have to come along and try to attract
00:43:11.200votes. There's a constant tension between the two, but there can be a fruitful sort of back-channel
00:43:16.840cooperation between the two. And interestingly enough, I had a long conversation with Martin
00:43:23.140Zellner when I was in Porto for the Remigration Summit, and he seems to think that the Freedom
00:43:28.360Party in Austria has got as good a chance as any of these parties of actually breaking through in
00:43:33.500a substantive way. He seems to think they're doing it as intelligently as anybody else.
00:43:37.880Well, we'll just have to see. It's a very, very tough problem. But the coordination between
00:43:43.460meta-politics and politics and the different incentives that each group has. And again,
00:43:48.600to get back to Jordan Mardella, really, the idea of being president of France, I mean,
00:43:54.300that is really big time. So no matter how committed he may be to France for the French
00:44:01.660or the white race, the prospect of being in that Elyse Palace
00:44:08.140is going to inevitably make him trim his sails to some degree.0.96
00:47:07.320No, no, no, no. But it's this constantly evolving dynamic and
00:47:11.760all of it. Then you get egos involved, personalities
00:47:15.080Human nature, this is always what it's been, drama.
00:47:18.620Yes, yes, drama and people taking offense when they shouldn't take offense.
00:47:25.220And having some character, being a person of honor, being someone that others can respect.
00:47:34.540And of course, this makes me think, of course, of the President of the United States.
00:47:38.700Here's a guy who's done a lot of good things domestically in the United States.
00:47:42.940And yet the whole question of character becomes central with him, I think, because of his, frankly, very bad character.
00:47:51.180Here's a guy for whom the words duty, honor, obligation, those don't seem to have any meaning at all.
00:47:58.340You have to have leaders, both in politics and in meta-politics, who do have a certain amount of honor, integrity, character.
00:48:07.180And all of these things come into play and it's a very complicated thing and personalities make a difference. The political scene in each individual country makes a difference. But all in all, I think we have made tremendous progress since what was to me the day when the white man hit bottom in all of human history.
00:48:29.020And that was May 25th of 2020 when George Floyd ascended to heaven.
01:25:50.860but because they were probably tracking my cell phone
01:25:53.840and because some of the other groups in Les Natifs
01:25:57.000are probably being tracked all they had to do was say oh okay here is suspect a here's suspect b and
01:26:03.380c they're all in the same place this x must mark the spot and so they marched the cops down the
01:26:09.020street and there we were now yeah they probably to be honest these days they i'm sure france has
01:26:16.040deals with palantir just like germany does they have the gotham software a convergence of these
01:26:22.780cell phones that pings under one location, okay, send out the cops what's going on.
01:26:27.420That's literally what they can do now, you know what I mean?
01:26:30.100Well, you know, I've not heard of that
01:26:34.260happening, at least unless you're a drug dealer in the United States.
01:26:39.340I do recall after January 6th, they did get the cell phone tower,
01:26:45.580the cell phone tower records for people, for the companies to try to see, well,
01:26:50.260what were the telephones that were in that area at the time.
01:26:54.080But so far as I know, I don't think any of our dissidents are constantly,
01:26:58.900our movements are constantly being tracked by the police.
01:27:01.360I guess they could do it if they felt like it. But if that's the case,
01:27:05.420I would have thought that those guys would have carried their cell phones around
01:27:08.920in a Faraday bag or turn them off or something. Yeah. Yeah.
01:27:12.100It seems like that's a pretty simple precaution. True.
01:27:16.340And so why they, why didn't they do that?
01:27:17.860Especially after that happened the first time.
01:27:20.020So my guess is the target was primarily this natifs group because it is illegal to reconstruct under a different name, a banned organization.
01:27:32.280Now you have to go back and decide, okay, what were the legal bases for banning an entire organization?
01:27:38.300Well, I'm sure it was the same convoluted argumentation.
01:27:42.420I haven't looked into the documentation as to what was behind the ban.
01:27:45.280but if you reconstruct the group but you say they haven't it's just been a piece of it here
01:27:50.000and there they broke it up into a bunch of different groups but as far as the police
01:27:54.800concerned that we really need to keep an eye on these guys these are dangerous characters
01:27:59.840and perhaps it would have been a it was a mistake uh on my part to accept an invitation of a group
01:28:06.880of that kind so but i don't know that they were very surprised it all happened yeah because they
01:28:12.720they've had uh uh so this generation identity there you go they have they have and they still
01:28:17.760have demonstrations like that they demonstrated for uh quentin de ron the frenchman who was killed
01:28:24.240in the own not not that long ago they they put on demonstrations for all the right reasons but the
01:28:29.840police don't like them and my guess is i was kind of collateral damage they said to themselves okay
01:28:36.960we're going to squash these guys and this is how we'll do it now if part of the collateral damage
01:28:43.760means banning me from schengen again that will be serious damage for me yeah that's one thing0.98
01:28:50.800i'm very very worried about yeah because uh the french i mean if they really think that if i1.00
01:28:56.720open my mouth the foundations of the republic will crack then my god well they must keep me out it's0.98
01:29:04.640like lenin in lennon in russia i can't be allowed to that's the thing right and it has to be said
01:29:11.280i don't think it's cliche even to to put it in these terms but like it's it's just a house of1.00
01:29:17.600cards that is so fragile right in other words that's the very nature and state of a multi-racial
01:29:23.520multi-religious multi-ethnic society right you can't now you can't say certain anything can upset
01:29:29.920anybody in any direction it's just a just a little puff and the whole house of cards fall
01:29:35.560fall apart right because at the end of the day right this is this is what france is about right
01:29:39.940here right that's a great that's a great picture this is emmanuel mark these are our values right
01:29:47.120i have a couple here actually yeah yeah yeah i put that on his tombstone because this you know
01:29:53.920the french republic after all this is what it's uh this is what it's turned into i'm not sure
01:29:57.900what's going on here but there's a three sweaty guys here i don't know yeah it's it's very shirts
01:30:04.300on fellas come on now someone photoshopped but it's i mean it's yeah i know it's no no oh that's
01:30:10.000a photoshop it's it's basically true that's basically what happened there anyway he has a
01:30:15.080he has an affinity for the africans the the the franco-african future there's been a number of
01:30:20.360politicians in france that continuously talk about this the the importance of you know um making
01:30:26.800Africa part of France and that I forget what it was we've probably got at least five six
01:30:33.340politicians that have kind of reiterated these general ideas about Africa and the relationship
01:30:38.120to France and all that right well uh yes because you see they had what they called uh la mission
01:30:45.420civilisatrice the civilizing mission of France now they keep apologizing supremacist uh if you
01:30:52.860ask me. Well, you know, there was a time when white people really did think they should rule
01:30:58.520over non-whites. White supremacy is a historical word that had a use at a certain time. And I think
01:31:05.800the idea was, okay, the French are going to go to Africa and they're going to teach them how to be
01:31:09.680civilized. There's a certain supremacist element to that. Now, of course, they apologized terribly
01:31:14.660for the fact that they paved the roads and they put in sewers and they taught them French.
01:31:18.720They tried to give them some sort of semblance of infrastructure and civilization.
01:31:22.720Oh, that was awful, awful. We're so sorry we did that.
01:45:40.360Most people only care whether the beer is cold and if the game is going to be on TV.
01:45:46.780that's the nature of human beings most people can't see past them to their noses
01:45:51.340it's a minority who cares and if you ask people what do you care about what's going to happen two0.65
01:45:55.740years from now what i'm care i care about well uh the beer i'm gonna have tonight that is that
01:46:02.620is human nature but in that respect it's a level playing field in other words the other side now
01:46:10.620dominates the discourse to a remarkable degree they get to tell the inert majority which way to
01:46:17.020go and we have to build our capacity to do the same and again i'm back to my my invariable
01:46:26.220optimistic view bit by bit by bit by bit i believe we are making progress now it's true that if you
01:46:32.940lived in if you lived in x land you would think that uh uh both restore and reform would have
01:46:40.780just beaten the pants yes yes but x is not the real world correct yep correct no exactly it's
01:46:48.940true a couple of interesting comments here imperial security bureau here says i was out canvassing in
01:46:53.260makerfield the oldies partly agreed with restore policies but voted for a labor party that no
01:46:58.380longer exists exactly i was good i didn't bring it up but obviously i'm just kind of like yeah
01:47:02.540it's probably the white boomer working class that are oh they've always voted labor they just
01:47:08.220you know i mean he says they um they still view it as the workers party call it ignorance yeah
01:47:14.220thank you for that input uh well thank you for about them for being out there canvassing too
01:47:19.660those are those those are it's very good to get this kind of on the ground perspective as to what
01:47:25.660was happening because we can see the numbers and we think oh my gosh how did this happen
01:47:31.340but it's the people who are there who know the way the system works all that's very important
01:47:36.060yeah no definitely exactly a couple more here um let me see here um i think this is alcyon right
01:47:41.900am i right or yeah ally uh saradwin says jared i'm so grateful for everything you've done for us
01:47:47.900amram was a massive was massive in my own awakening uh if we achieve the good ending in our struggle
01:47:53.900I hope there will be a statue for you and she says glad me summer which is happy midsummer because that is today actually technically so yes
01:48:00.700Well, that's that's very kind. I don't expect statues
01:50:39.920And when you look at Kyle Harris versus Donald Trump with Kyle Harris, well, I mean, as you know, I have all sorts of rejections about Donald Trump, but he stopped the border.
01:52:49.780i can imagine i can imagine that uh after oh maybe even just one year of a camel harris clone after
01:52:58.9802028 we will be looking back on these four years as a golden age okay i can easily imagine that
01:53:06.580i can easily imagine a u.s supreme court well seriously look look imagine a supreme court that
01:53:14.820is packed with uh uh the kinds of people that uh what is her name katenji brown uh yes one of the
01:53:23.700smarter ones yes yes elena kagan and sotomayor imagine nothing but them on the on the court
01:53:31.300look i think they could easily find a way to get around the first amendment and put you and me
01:53:36.820behind the wire they would have no i don't yeah no i don't see no trouble doing that not wanting
01:53:41.860to do that. And I think that is secretly what they would very much, well, some of them publicly
01:53:48.100would very much like to do. And as I say, we could look back at this as a golden age.
01:53:54.020X is in the hands of a guy who believes pretty much in freedom of speech. That won't always be
01:53:59.460the case. I can see, you know, you haven't spoken about this so far on this program,
01:54:04.260but I imagine you've mentioned it, the Digital Security Act in Europe. That is a terrifying thing.
01:54:10.580those that is a way to require social media program platforms to really go whole hog on
01:54:18.740censorship and if they don't censor adequately they can charge them six percent of their annual
01:54:25.780turnover and this is not profit this is annual turnover these are billions of dollars yeah and
01:54:31.700nobody's going to risk that kind of fine not even elon musk wants to pay that kind of fine right so
01:54:36.580So, see, I can easily imagine the Supreme Court, the way they would justify it is this.
01:54:42.140The Supreme Court already considers treaty obligations to be just about right up there with the Constitution in terms of deference due to it.
01:54:52.100And if we decide that, OK, we have these treaty obligations of European countries, of the European Union, the European Union says you can't put this stuff on social media, then we will say, OK, we have to abide by our treaty obligations.
01:55:05.040And so we have to make that impossible in the United States
01:55:08.340because whatever appears in the United States is visible in Europe too.
01:55:11.820I can easily see that kind of argument prevailing
01:55:14.320if you've got Supreme Court stacked with people like the names I just mentioned.
02:05:46.780I'll see if I can grab the clip and play it to you guys.
02:05:48.820But like, you know, this is like a big move, apparently, where Trump is like downgrading Israel to just a small partner or something like that.
02:05:59.880I'll find the clip and I'll play it in a moment here, too.
02:06:02.920It's interesting, but it's like, how can you trust any of this?
02:06:07.860This is just lip service in order to basically get to a point where you can continue to try to, you know, appeal to younger voters, I guess, because they know how unpopular Israel is.0.88
02:06:18.820It doesn't mean that they're not freaking out about it, though, by the way.
02:06:39.100And I guess my message to them would be twofold.
02:06:42.000Number one, Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who has
02:06:48.680sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world. And the second message I would give to some of those cabinet members, Bibi, to his credit, has not gone down this path. But to some of these cabinet members in Israel who are attacking the president of the United States, the other thing that I would say is that over the last three months,
02:07:17.960Two thirds of the defensive weapons that have protected your homeland have been built by
02:07:25.400American hands and paid for by American tax dollars. The problem for Israel is not Donald
02:07:31.800J. Trump and anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the president of the United
02:07:36.540States needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation that country is in. All right.
02:07:43.960just can't can't trust any of these people you know like very someone in common there's talked
02:07:51.480about it too right to plant your connections and the the teal you know but i think they're
02:07:56.580they're doing this for now and i think partially it's you know bb's career might be over sure but
02:08:01.700then the next guy shows up and it'll be business back you know back to business as usual essentially
02:08:05.980trump just downgraded israel from our greatest ally to a very small partner again this is
02:08:36.720They don't know when to stop or how to stop.0.80
02:08:38.540And when you have such an entrenched Israeli lobby in the U.S., I don't see how any of this really matters, even if it's a public spat with the current administration in Israel.1.00
02:08:51.760Fine, get rid of them, and then you're back to business as usual.0.99
02:11:50.540Those disagreements are a natural part of having a partner.
02:11:54.040And I do think that sometimes the opinion that I disagree with is, on the one hand, people will say that America's interests are always aligned with Israel's interests.
02:12:12.080He's got some disagreements with Bibi Netanyahu about how precisely to bring the Iran war to a close.
02:12:17.320And then I think there are some people who will say that Israel's interests are never aligned with America's, and I think that's also not true.
02:12:22.620I think the reality is they're a good partner in the same way that the United Kingdom or France are good partners.
02:12:28.700That doesn't mean that we're always going to have aligned interests.
02:16:15.820All right, so we got, what do we got here?1.00
02:16:17.700I'll play your soup shot that came in there.0.53
02:16:19.980But here's to reiterate the point again, in case you guys didn't catch the news yet.0.93
02:16:24.740England in the 1200s threw out all its Jews.0.68
02:16:27.400France in the 1300s threw out all its Jews.
02:16:29.880Spain in the 1400s threw out all its Jews.0.75
02:16:32.160Central Europe, Eastern Europe, and Russia throughout the rest of the millennium, throughout its Jews, engaged in pogroms and, of course, the Holocaust.
02:16:43.540All of those anti-Jewish actions took place before the state of Israel even existed.
02:16:49.800So don't tell me this is all about Israel.
02:21:37.180But the US president poured cold water on concerns, declaring peace talks were continuing at a rapid pace.
02:21:44.960I had a very productive call with Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu of Israel and there will be no troops going to Beirut and any troops that are on their way have already been turned back.
02:21:54.680But behind closed doors reports that phone call was explosive.0.97
02:21:59.480The US president fuming at Netanyahu over the Israeli leader's threats to Lebanon, calling him f***ing crazy.
02:22:07.180donald trump has insisted there's no pressure to reach a deal with iran quickly
02:22:11.980and 95 days into this war which america started diplomacy for now is at a standstill at the
02:22:19.420white house lauren tamazi nine okay so yeah i'm saying that's two weeks ago and now we're back
02:22:25.020again right while in the in the background this is going on this has been happening which is which
02:28:04.740And it plays out differently because it's, you know, different time now, but the objective is the same.
02:28:10.080European lawmakers urge Albania to halt construction on Kushner-linked project.
02:28:15.660And, of course, the Rama guy, Edi Rama, was just like, nah, it's going to go ahead anyway because I got money or something.
02:28:23.120Lawmakers adopted a resolution calling for an immediate moratorium on new permits and construction in the country's protected areas, which, of course, is good.
02:28:31.460But that doesn't mean, of course, the whole EU is behind this or even in favor of stopping it.
02:28:36.380But I'm saying at least, at least, base minimum level, there are at least some European lawmakers that are willing to step in to try to fix the situation.
02:28:44.780But the latest thing I saw was that Rama, the prime minister of Albania, was just like, nah, it's a done deal. It's going to happen anyway.
02:28:51.540But anyway, you've got to save the flamingos.