In this episode of the podcast, we catch up with one of the founders of Radio Albion, Andrew Anglin. We talk about his early days at Radio Arian and how he went on to become the host of the radio show Radio Albion. Andrew also talks about his time at the Daily Stormer and how it led to his arrest and conviction.
00:09:05.960So there was probably a year, maybe two years as Radio Arian.
00:09:11.340Before then, it actually became Radio Albion.
00:09:13.940And when I got arrested, we had literally just changed the name of the website to Radio Albion a month previous.
00:09:21.460And the direction of the website had been going towards making it more accessible and trying to aim the content at a wider number of people, at a large number of people.
00:09:33.520Because originally it was just intended for a niche audience, basically a sort of national socialist audience.
00:09:40.040And then after working with Mark Collette and talking with Mark, I decided that his, and the other co-hosts as well at Radio Albion,
00:09:48.080we decided that his way of doing things was the right way to do things, to try and appeal to the maximum number of people.
00:09:54.420And when you do that, maybe you have to sort of tone down some of the language.
00:09:59.980Maybe you have to think that some of these jokes, only a small number of people are going to get these jokes.
00:10:05.200And a wider number of people might be turned off by hearing them.
00:10:10.080But when I started out, I just wanted to make nationalist content for nationalists to listen to.
00:10:15.000And that's sort of changed over the years.
00:10:17.160So we were generally going in a different direction to the one that the police seemed to think we were going in anyway, when they arrested me.
00:10:29.120Which is why it seemed very malicious to me, to keep me waiting for a trial for four years,
00:10:34.560and then prosecuting me over content from 2017, at which point it was 2021.
00:10:40.620Geez. Yeah. And it was 2023 then, right? Was that when the actual conviction came in? Did I get that right?
00:12:14.720Like, I've heard you talk about this elsewhere, but you can lay this out for us.
00:12:18.540But, like, they used a piece over here from this podcast and then another piece over here from that podcast and then something here.
00:12:25.100And it was like this kind of mosaic that they painted of, like, of things that you had said.
00:12:30.540As usual, we know how these tricks go, so I'm not acting surprised here.
00:12:33.900But for clarity for the audience so they understand, yes, they cherry-pick things out of it to make it seem kind of worse than it is in the context, correct?
00:12:42.520Yes, originally, the prosecution, I think, just wanted to play the sentences where I was using words that were questionable.
00:12:53.800And my defence barrister said, look, this is not on.
00:15:18.580So the upshot was, and also I was told this by probation, they said, you know, factual books, historical books, that's not a problem.
00:15:25.960If you're talking about fact, it's the way that you present those facts that matters.
00:15:31.380It's if you present them in a way which is insulting, abusive or threatening related to protected characteristics, then that's when it becomes incitement to hate.
00:15:41.900So when I was talking about the historical subjects, it wasn't a problem and that could all be referred to my sources.
00:15:50.000But when I was talking about generally about news, particularly about the grooming gangs at the time, this was a couple of years after Rotherham and nothing had been done about this.
00:16:02.700And it was starting to come out that there were more grooming gangs up and down the country and there were reports saying that the police were covering these things up.
00:16:12.160And that's what I was specifically talking about.
00:16:14.420And I was abbreviating the word Pakistani is one of the terrible things that I did.
00:16:21.060And abbreviating the word Pakistani 20 years ago, that wasn't seen as an insult.
00:16:25.780It was just a common part of normal language.
00:16:28.020So today, if you were to ask a jury, is that an insult, they would probably say, well, yes, that is used as an insult now.
00:16:35.760So that was the sort of thing that tripped me up, basically.
00:16:41.840And the jury, they couldn't really argue against that.
00:16:45.800They couldn't really say, oh, well, that's not an insult.
00:16:48.340The problem lies with the actual law itself and the way that it's interpreted.
00:16:53.600Because you trade insults with people at work, don't you?
00:17:23.040And they were saying, well, because they are emotive subjects, you have to be careful with the language because people can hear those subjects and then they want to physically react.
00:17:37.400This is a podcast you have to go and seek out, right?
00:17:41.420It's not that it's being just kind of blasted at you like in a public square or something like that.
00:17:46.900This is very like, you know, you're probably also just like I was like limited in terms of like getting access to Google search results rankings and things like this.
00:17:57.060It's harder to find it, let's be honest, right?
00:17:59.740So you're going to have to seek it out.
00:18:01.820What was the back and forth between the prosecution and the defense on that issue?
00:18:08.080Well, we didn't even have I don't think we even had a Twitter at the time.
00:18:22.100I don't think we were using Telegraph, Telegram rather at the time.
00:18:25.460And that was part of the defense was to say, look, this is niche content for a particular part of the population who aren't going to be aren't going to be insulted by these words.
00:18:39.860It's not like I was aiming them at black people or aiming them at Pakistanis.
00:18:44.060I was aiming the content squarely at nationalists.
00:18:47.580But then they would pull out other content of mine where I would be talking about, oh, well, this makes good propaganda, meaning good propaganda to civic nationalists is what we were talking about.
00:18:58.100But then they would try to portray that as, yes, but you were trying to make this for everyone.
00:19:01.860You were trying to make content that would bring people around to your point of view.
00:19:05.280And then you were using language and terms like that.
00:19:10.160So to say that you were just aiming it at a small part of the population, that's just you trying to cover up what you're really doing.
00:19:18.900That was the sort of attack that they used.
00:19:21.240And I thought that if if a Muslim was to go into a church and they were to hear the preacher talking about Jesus being the son of God, they would be insulted at that.
00:19:33.900And they would say, well, God doesn't have a son.
00:19:39.280What you're saying is offensive to me.
00:19:41.360It's insulting to the religion of Islam.
00:19:43.320But it seemed to me that the reason why preachers in churches don't get prosecuted is because they're in the church talking to the parishioners of the church.
00:19:52.680They're not going out on the streets, finding Muslims and then deliberately baiting Muslims by saying things to them that the Muslim might perceive to be blasphemous.
00:20:02.300And I thought that that would be a good defense as well.
00:20:16.220Anyone can walk into the church, right?
00:20:18.440But I get the point that they're not interested in actually getting good, you know, getting shot down by using analogies and putting in this.
00:20:30.560This was about targeting you and finding whatever way they could to get you convicted, right?
00:20:34.820To feel the pain of daring to cover these issues and talking about this, right?
00:20:39.160Yeah, and they wanted to create a chilling effect on people.
00:20:44.800Patriotic Alternative was going really well.
00:20:47.920And when I first got arrested, we'd had our first conference that I'd worked on together with Mark Collette and Patriotic Alternative got unveiled at that conference.
00:20:57.580And then a month later, they arrested me.
00:20:59.240And then Patriotic Alternative built up quite a large following.
00:21:04.360And we had PA Wales, which was really going somewhere.
00:21:08.200It was a large group with lots of activism.
00:21:11.420And then they charged me, put me on trial.
00:21:16.100And when they sent me to jail, it had a chilling effect on the members of PA Wales.
00:21:20.760And then shortly after that, the same happened to Sam Melia.
00:21:23.840And he was also arrested for activities before he had joined Patriotic Alternative.
00:21:30.020But because he was involved in Patriotic Alternative, again, it had this chilling effect.
00:21:35.200And then they went after James Costello as well.
00:21:37.460So you had three very prominent activists in Patriotic Alternative, all being jailed for things that they did before they joined Patriotic Alternative.
00:22:58.480So that's the reason for bringing in this law that criminalises incitement to hate, not just incitement to violence.
00:23:06.500But the result is sort of 20 years down the line, 25 years down the line, they now think that it's the words themselves that actually hurt people.
00:23:15.320Instead of it being the words themselves that incite people onto violence,
00:23:19.240it's the use of an abbreviation is going to cause serious harm to a Pakistani person.
00:23:25.480When they were doing my risk assessments, they were saying that there is a high risk of serious harm occurring to refugees in my presence and ethnic minorities,
00:24:34.400I mean, they'll do some examples of people anyway, right?
00:24:36.940But also, if you kind of concede, if you give them that ground, you know that they're going to try to grab for more.
00:24:45.080And what's left after words, I mean, let's be honest, it's thoughts, right?
00:24:48.900Then it's basically, well, you were thinking this when you were, you know, not that you were doing anything violent,
00:24:53.900but like, now you're personally here, but in a situation, let's say you were walking past someone or whatever.
00:24:58.640You didn't use any words, but you were thinking about something.
00:25:01.420And that, you see how this works, the encroachment on like, you're limiting your ability to just be who you are,
00:25:08.260think what you want to think, say what you want to say, and do what you want to do.
00:25:13.160This is just, I mean, Britain has so many problems.
00:25:19.480I mean, just, it's just a slew of issues from economic to demographic.
00:25:25.140Just in the last few days, the MI6 head there, the, what was her name, the Aryan, the Aryan queen that's going to save England,
00:25:34.660was pushing for war, essentially, or kind of saying that like, you need to send your sons and daughters to go to war in this, you know, with Russia, essentially, right?
00:25:44.860And then yet, they have so many resources, so much effort, so much time and money that they spend on going after people like you.
00:25:52.300It's just, I mean, I know why they're doing it.
00:25:54.840So again, I'm not trying to act stupid here, but I want people to put that in context and actually understand how bizarre and upside down or topsy-turvy this situation is, Sven.
00:26:06.240Yeah, it shows you how important they view it.
00:26:10.080As I was saying with these risk ratings, they put me on something which is known as MAPA 4, Multi-Agency Public Protection Assessment, I think, number four.
00:26:38.280And yet they saw the use of abbreviating words, using old-fashioned language, as just as bad as being like the equivalent of a mafia crime boss or a murderer.
00:27:21.520There'd be their manager, who I'd also be talking to.
00:27:25.300Then I had, like, key workers at the hostel.
00:27:28.620All of these people, like, just, well, it just seemed like a huge waste of resources to go after somebody just for having, like, a different political view.
00:27:39.960A political view, which is now a mainstream political view.
00:27:44.980Yeah, I mean, my trial was just at the end of all the big push and the big censorship.
00:27:50.020And then while I was inside, it was the Trump campaign and the election of Trump and the rise of Reform Party and the collapse of the Conservative Party.
00:28:25.680And to me, that seemed the start of it, is when she said that, that's when things started moving in the direction of more and more people talking about these subjects.
00:30:24.260And then say you're posting that into people's houses.
00:30:27.360Because they then say you get arrested, if they then go through your phone and they look at your social media and they then find you using the N-word, say,
00:30:36.580they would then say, well, that is evidence of you being hateful towards this group.
00:30:42.780Therefore, that is also evidence to say that when you put that flyer out, you were attempting to incite hate with it.
00:30:49.360You weren't attempting to draw attention to this fact.
00:30:51.780You were trying to incite hate because you used a hateful word on your social media.
00:31:04.800Because if you get a poll and they find that on your phone, they will use that as evidence to show that something completely legal,
00:31:12.040like a flyer, then becomes illegal because they will say, because you have used it to try and incite hate.
00:31:17.840Whereas if they found no racial slurs on your phone, they find it very, very difficult to say, well, you were trying to incite hate by handing out that flyer.
00:31:27.360Then they would have to accept that you were just trying to draw attention to the statistics and genuine concern about the replacement of the original demographic with a new one.
00:31:41.020I mean, we have to kind of, or I mean, you guys in the UK, obviously more so probably than any other countries.
00:31:47.620It's bad as some other countries do, but UK is definitely ahead of this curve in many ways.
00:31:52.640Walk around eggshells, be extremely, or let me put, rephrase that.
00:31:56.160The people that are actively engaged in what the establishment says is far-right racist politics have to be super careful, like extra careful.
00:32:07.220And of course, again, if people want to go to jail, that's easy in the UK if that's what they want to do.
00:32:49.120Well, I was released in August last year, and then I was put on license.
00:32:57.040So you're licensed to be released on condition that you don't break these various conditions that are put on you.
00:33:06.040And the conditions that they put on you, they're not supposed to be a punishment in themselves.
00:33:10.760They're supposed to prevent you from re-offending, which I guess is fair enough.
00:33:16.720If you're being released halfway through your sentence, the public generally expects people to serve out the whole of their sentence while they're in jail.
00:33:24.340But there is also a rehabilitative aspect.
00:33:27.740And if you release somebody from jail and you haven't worked on rehabilitation with them, then they haven't got much chance of being rehabilitated.
00:33:36.360So the thinking is, well, we'll release people halfway through their sentence, and then we can put them on probation and we can help them, help rehabilitate them.
00:33:46.080So they're not supposed to be punishing you.
00:33:48.260They're just supposed to be preventing you from going out and carrying out the same offense again, which in my case was publishing audio content on my own website.
00:33:57.100So in order to prevent me from re-offending, all they had to do was open up my website every day and see if I posted anything on there.
00:34:05.360That was literally all that they had to do to prevent me re-offending.
00:34:08.780But instead, they literally banned me from the whole internet.
00:34:12.020I wasn't allowed to use the internet for anything other than to do with benefits, I think, and banking at first.
00:35:06.540So the internet one was not allowed to use the internet at all apart from banking, I think it was, and benefits at first.
00:35:12.960And then they gradually relented and they said, well, we'll let you have your laptop, but it will have to have a Trojan horse on it so we can spy on everything that you're looking at, basically.
00:35:29.820I still wasn't allowed to look anything up.
00:35:31.600It wasn't until I'd been on license for about nine months, maybe 10 months before they actually allowed me to look things up on Google to use the encyclopedic function of the internet.
00:35:47.760It's not an offense to read stuff, to learn about things, but they literally wouldn't let me learn about anything at first.
00:35:54.260And then besides the internet, I had to use a 2G phone, which I think they've switched 2G off now, because I couldn't be trusted with an internet phone.
00:36:06.920And then my conditions were I wasn't allowed to attend any meetings or attend or contribute to meetings, gatherings, websites, conferences.
00:36:58.760And she said, I've just watched you write it down there.
00:37:01.080We'll have it that you've written it down there.
00:37:02.920And then after I'd been released for a couple of months and I had my 2G phone, I texted a friend of mine and said, oh, I'm hoping that we can meet up for dinner at Christmas, around about Christmas time.
00:37:18.680And then the next meeting I had with my probation manager, when they went through my phone, the detective inspector that had to be there every meeting, he was looking through it.
00:37:29.080You're breaking your license conditions.
00:37:30.540And I said, look, I was explicitly told that I could arrange to have a meal and that the interpretation of meeting was not going out with my friends.
00:37:39.520And they said, oh, no, well, we can't have this.
00:37:41.420We're going to have to have a meeting about this, conference call about it, which obviously I wasn't a part of.
00:37:47.080And then a few days later, I got a letter in the post telling me that I had breached my license conditions.
00:37:54.260And just to clarify things, a meeting means meeting more than one person.
00:38:02.020So they said a meeting actually means more than one person.
00:38:04.820And I got back and I said, the next time I saw them, I said, look, this isn't clarifying things.
00:38:10.040This is moving the goalposts entirely.
00:38:12.220This is changing the definition of what you told me that that license restriction was.
00:38:17.080And she said, look, at least we told you about it.
00:38:20.980Meaning there are people that they just would just change their license conditions, the definition like that, without telling them so they can then stick them back in jail.
00:38:30.280So she said, at least we told you that we were changing it.
00:38:46.740It was quite shocking to think that they would pull tricks like that on people, change the license conditions without actually telling them about it, what the meaning of something means.
00:39:21.780I mean, there must have been something on the back end there, Sven, where they're like, let's just make this as difficult for him as possible.
00:39:33.040And again, it's, you know, not news to regular listeners here, but it is an anarcho-tyrannical approach that they have to this, where there's complete leeway for some groups.
00:39:42.740They can do whatever they want. They can essentially say whatever they want.
00:39:45.260The only other thing we've seen kind of a clampdown on is some of the, you know, pro-Palestinian protests and things like that.
00:39:50.120You've seen that in Germany and other countries as well.
00:39:52.400But otherwise, it's only nationalists that are under that scrutiny.
00:39:57.060And again, this is before, you know, the Southport protests.
00:40:00.720It's before some of these kind of, you know, protests outside of migrant hotels and things like that.
00:40:04.940I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't that people weren't out in the street then when you were convicted as they are now, right?
00:40:13.580Yeah, none of these big protests that are going on now were happening then.
00:40:59.760Off the top of your head, Sven, just sorry to interrupt,
00:41:02.240but do you have like a short list of people that you maybe directly know or at least know of that are in prison right now in the UK for similar things that you were or other type of kind of speech
00:41:15.080or they owned this book or they made this post or something?
00:41:19.100What do you think we're talking about?
00:41:20.620Like more than 100 people or is it 20 people?
00:43:25.420So they're showing the appearance that, yeah, we're trying to do something about kind of the anti-Semitism issue that they see that the Palestinian protest is part of, obviously.
00:43:33.880But the enforcement is not at all the same as it is for nationalists and activists.
00:43:41.500They're not actually throwing the book at them.
00:43:44.260Like when you get arrested, they've got a choice.
00:43:46.560They can give you bail, which means you might have license conditions, and then you can go home while they wait until they can find a court date.
00:43:55.260Or they can remand you and they can put you in prison straight away.
00:43:59.900And if you're supporting a terrorist organization, you know, that's a remand offense.
00:44:05.800I've known people before that have been accused of being a part of a prescribed organization, and some of them were found not guilty eventually.
00:44:16.520They were all stuck in jail straight away.
00:44:18.580And yet you've got hundreds of people that have been going out there saying that they support this prescribed organization, Palestine Action.
00:44:26.700And you read about arrests, but nothing about any trials, any convictions.
00:44:33.060I think they're just quietly dropping them.
00:44:36.700You know, I don't think, I don't agree with them banning these organizations and calling them terrorists unless they have actually carried out terrorism.
00:44:45.360Unless they've actually carried out violence, then you should ban them against people.
00:44:51.580There is a threat of, you know, like mass violence.
00:44:55.720But just for sort of putting stickers up, graffiti, that sort of thing, I don't think organizations should be banned.
00:45:06.760And I think when they banned national action, I think part of that was so that they could say, well, we've banned a far right group as well.
00:45:14.000We're not just banning Islamic groups.
00:45:15.700We're banning this far right group as well.
00:45:17.540Then, of course, there was lots of concerning stuff that was found out afterwards in the years after that they were actually banned.
00:45:24.000But with this Palestine action, as far as I'm aware, they just spray painted a plane.
00:45:29.440I mean, you could say that, well, that is vandalism, that is a threat to the Air Force.
00:45:37.660It's, you know, it's something they shouldn't have done.
00:45:40.160But to ban the whole organization, I think that's, it's a bit extreme.
00:45:44.840And I think possibly these people that are going out there and protesting it, they're doing that to try and show that it's a little bit extreme to be banning this group as a terrorist organization.
00:45:55.560But at the same time, when I spoke to probation and this detective inspector about it that was at my meetings, he said, oh, yes, they will be arrested and they will be charged and they will have to be even handed.
00:46:07.360They will be treated in the same way as if it had been nationalists that have been supporting a prescribed organization.
00:46:13.600So he was saying, oh, yes, they will be treated the same.
00:46:16.160But I say, I haven't actually, I haven't actually seen it yet.
00:46:21.540When you were going through the process, did you get a, I mean, it's probably different, but different people involved, you know, in your case, whether that be the, you know, police or, you know, other people in the legal system, essentially, along the way.
00:46:35.620But did you feel that they were like, at least kind of trying to be professional and, you know, objective?
00:46:43.020We know they're not, but I'm saying, well, did you get a sense of some of them along the way?
00:46:46.020Like, these are, they feel to me like political activists and they have a personal, you know, kind of gripe with you.
00:46:53.060Did you get any of that or how was that process?
00:46:55.840Well, generally, people were very professional.
00:46:59.340They were very professional and because I would put complaints in and then they would respond to the complaints and they would explain to me the reason for their decisions.
00:47:13.020I mean, I can't, couldn't really comment on English prisons.
00:47:18.780In Wales, Welsh prisons, I can have conversations with people like prison officers, things like that.
00:47:25.000Some of them were sort of conservative minded.
00:47:27.200I didn't get the impression that any of them were out to get me.
00:47:32.020But there may have been people further up the line that might have been out to get me that I didn't actually have any contact with.
00:47:38.200Generally, the people that I interacted with, they all seemed professional to me.
00:47:44.440Apart from this one issue with probation, I think that was just a personal clash of personalities with this one probation manager.
00:47:53.140But everybody else did seem professional because I would question them about decisions that they made and then they would answer me.
00:47:59.560There was one issue when I was at HMP Park.
00:48:03.000When I first got there, they put me on a course doing radio broadcasting and what they had in the prison itself.
00:48:12.360They had a radio studio and that were put out to a radio station that was on everybody's television set.
00:48:18.700So it was like a local radio station for the prison.
00:48:21.640When they found out that I did that anyway, and I had an internet radio station and a website doing all of that, they were quite excited about that.
00:48:31.140And I went to go and meet everybody that was involved in it.
00:48:34.680There was guys from black gangs and various others, all very friendly, got on quite well with them.
00:48:41.280And I talked to them in the morning and I was expecting to go back there in the afternoon and like live stream with them.
00:48:48.140And they were saying, oh, we get newspapers.
00:48:50.080You get like the Daily Mirror and the Daily Sun.
00:48:53.300So one sort of left wing, one sort of right wing.
00:48:55.500And they were saying you can look through the newspapers and talk about, you know, discuss what's in the news, discuss what's going on.
00:49:01.020And we try not to discuss what's going on in the prison.
00:49:03.660So it was all, you know, very amicable, very professional.
00:49:06.760I was looking forward to getting involved in that.
00:49:08.440And I thought, well, at least they're going to make use of my talents in here.
00:49:11.860I'm not just going to sort of waste away.
00:49:14.080And then when I went out to the queue to actually leave the wing at two o'clock, they said, oh, no, your name's not on the list.
00:49:43.800Bear in mind, the college is like literally only like, I don't know, 50 feet away from the wing where the people are, where the teachers are, where they're doing all this stuff.
00:49:53.320But, yeah, they couldn't find out for me.
00:49:55.180They advised me to get in touch with the Independent Prisons Monitoring Board, which I did.
00:50:01.980And they said they would try to get to the bottom of it.
00:50:05.360And then after that, I was given my probation, this person that I didn't get on very well with.
00:50:12.300And it was either her or it was the Independent Prisons Monitoring Board then got back to me eventually and said, oh, it was a security issue.
00:50:21.220So the security branch of the prison decided that it would be a security risk for me to be working on the radio station because my offenses were linked to radio.
01:43:13.840She also maintained her innocence the whole time she was in prison.
01:43:17.340And normally, if you're found guilty of something and you maintain your innocence in prison, they can keep you in there until you admit that you're guilty.
01:43:25.960There was a fellow that was in there for years, decades, and he was innocent of rape charges.
01:43:31.940And eventually, he was found innocent.
01:43:34.200And he'd been in there for years as a guilty rapist.
01:43:37.600And he had been in there for so long because he had refused to accept his guilt.
01:43:41.480So instead of going on, because for them to release you, they have to say, well, you're no more of a risk.
01:43:46.040And in order for them to lower the risk, they will say, well, you have to go on a course.
01:43:50.400And when you go on the course, you have to admit that you're guilty.
01:43:54.060And if you're a rapist, you'd be on a course with all these other rapists.
01:43:57.640And if you're a murderer, you'll be on a course with all these other murderers.
01:44:00.000So they say they maintain their innocence, they don't do the course, and then they're stuck in prison for the whole sentence.
01:44:05.860Instead of being let out after 15 years, they'll be there for 30 years.
01:44:09.620And Lucy Connolly maintained her innocence the whole time, even though she'd been found guilty, even though she had pled guilty.
01:44:15.900The whole time she was in prison, she was saying, you know, she's not guilty.
01:44:19.460And yet then they still let her out halfway through and let her go and speak at conferences.
01:44:27.340So that, you know, that's another side to it, which changed the whole ruling of the prison system, which is you have to admit you're guilty.
01:44:34.600And she didn't do that, which I, you know, that's another thing that I find interesting about that.
01:44:40.860When they found me guilty, I did accept, OK, I'm guilty.
01:44:48.060Do you still or do you think that it's simply down to the fact that because, you know, yes, she's a woman, obviously, and that's part of why she got more attention.
01:45:37.120If you have enough pressure and attention around something, all of a sudden, legally, even you you're in a different category.
01:45:44.420That seems to how it's with all the objectivity and unbiased this and that within the legal system is still humans along the way doing this or enforcing these laws or restrictions or whatever it is.
01:45:56.580And if you have a lot of attention and people around you supporting your cause, you're going to get off easier.
01:46:01.920Yeah, maybe you're right there, but perhaps they are trying to make up for the for the bad treatment of her being in jail because public opinion was that this woman should be out with a with a child or a children.
01:46:15.640So maybe they are trying to make up for that.
01:46:17.440Maybe they're also trying to say, look, if you support civic nationalist issues, you'll be rewarded to allow you to go out and see people.
01:46:26.400If you stick to your ethno nationalist views, then that's going to up your risk rating because we're going to think that it's a higher risk that you might use in insulting, abusive or threatening language.
01:46:38.400I mean, that that may be a part of it.
01:46:40.100And they're trying to show that you'll be rewarded if you actually go go against these views that you had.
01:46:46.080But that, you know, that wouldn't that would mean losing all integrity with the site, the prison psychologist, criminal psychologist.
01:47:01.060Your your your views are extreme, but you're not an extremist, she said, and I've assessed that you don't have character defects, she says, I think you might be neurodivergent.
01:47:12.100So they had to come up with one reason why my behavior, why there was this aberration of why I'm against immigration.
01:47:34.300Yeah, yeah, technically, you could just come up with something like that that kind of uses the vernacular of like some shit, new thing that they come up with.
01:47:42.240Well, I'm just very, you know, yeah, I'm neurodivergent or something.
01:47:51.280No, because there's some crimes you absolutely, you know, can't be, which includes taking your own side as your own people and thinking that something is wrong with the trajectory of our countries.
01:48:05.040Anything else here you feel we're leaving at or do you think that's important to mention about your case or maybe other related things in terms of, you know, the UK or where things are going?
01:48:15.680Maybe the bigger picture or something like that.
01:48:21.700I think, you know, starting with my case, that drew attention to this issue.
01:48:26.880And then you had Sam Melia's case, which blew up everywhere.
01:48:30.660And then you had the Southport protests and riots and the extreme prosecutions that then took place.
01:48:39.460And it was I think it was very plain for everybody to see that the government were having a direct influence on the judiciary by saying that the judges need to come down really very heavily on these protesters.
01:48:54.660And then we've seen these extreme prison sentences.
01:48:59.120And I think that that's drawing attention to this issue.
01:49:02.340You've then got this Online Safety Act, which they're trying to use against X and Twitter and against social media companies, not to get rid of material that's illegal.
01:49:13.540But if the government decides that it's legal but harmful, i.e. is completely legal, doesn't break the law, doesn't incite hate, but they decide it's harmful in some way, which could mean statistics.
01:49:26.200They could think it's harmful to hear, say, for instance, the rape gang statistics on the on the demographic makeup, the ethnic makeup of that.
01:49:34.080They might say, well, we think that that's harmful for people to hear because it could stir up violence.
01:49:39.380So we want these companies to take down any mention of those statistics, which is really serious censorship.
01:49:47.460And I think that the you know, that the attention, the public's attention has been drawn to this.
01:49:53.440And then at the same time, you've got this BBC editing of Donald Trump's speech, which, again, everybody has seen.
01:50:01.860They've seen the fact that he's his speech.
01:50:05.020He said something completely the opposite.
01:50:06.720And yet the BBC have doctored this speech and got him to say the complete opposite, that he was inciting violence.
01:50:13.900And he's suing the BBC for it was a 10 billion.
01:50:16.620And over here, they're saying, oh, yes, well, but Florida law won't work in Britain.
01:50:24.060And I'm thinking, yeah, well, you're expecting British law to work in America over Twitter, aren't you?
01:50:32.020And I'm thinking that this could possibly be payback for the Online Safety Act.
01:50:36.100You want to you want to hit our American companies for laws which only exist in your country.
01:50:42.620Well, I'm going to hit you with a huge, huge, huge compensation for laws which exist in my country, but don't exist in yours, if you see what I mean.
01:50:54.420The problem with this, though, is that the money for the BBC comes from the British people.
01:50:58.580So this would be out of their pockets.
01:51:20.480America should be obeying American laws.
01:51:23.580And I'm pleased that Trump talks about these issues, but I wish he would actually do some sanctioning on countries for not having free speech.
01:51:30.860Well, I mean, look, he's even made comments about how, like, immigration is leading to the civilizational ruin of Europe.
01:51:36.460And so, I mean, just in the last couple of weeks here, again, great rhetoric.
01:51:40.100I'm glad to hear this discussed in the halls of power.
01:51:43.180There's pressure internationally kind of put on European leaders.
01:51:47.300Like, this is a humiliating factor, like, with the demographics and the invasion and the migrant crime and everything else in our countries.
01:51:55.080So that's great that that's happening.
01:52:59.800And things which we would never kind of perceive or felt hopeless at the time that this would ever be normalized have become normalized, Sven.
01:53:09.340Yeah, I think back to J.D. Vance's speech at the National Security Conference that left NATO in tears when he said the real threat in Europe is the censorship laws over the freedom of speech.
01:53:44.780And OK, maybe they haven't really pushed into it yet, put sanctions on people.
01:53:50.400But just the very fact that they said it was really, really uplifting for me.
01:53:54.340And again, just recently, the things that the State Department have been saying about mass immigration being a threat to Western civilization and all of this has to stop.
01:54:08.800And you've got more and more people that support these points of view is that you can see it with Reform UK, which is the biggest political party in Britain now.
01:54:18.080And I just recently did a podcast on one of the councillors, and she's gone to one of these gay pride events, and she's been very concerned about what she's saying.
01:54:27.780There's been children in front of strippers, children in front of sex toys, sort of language that shouldn't be used.
01:54:40.540But the fact that she's speaking up against it, I mean, that's different to all these other parties as well.
01:54:45.640So Reformer aren't just against immigration, but they're against the teaching of LGBTQ to children, quite clearly, because that's what her concern was.
01:54:54.680And the trans issue, it's all of these anti-white, anti-Western issues that people are now rising up against.
01:55:02.380And they may not have even known about them before.
01:55:04.840Like, there wasn't anybody in the prison that had heard of Drag Queen Story Hour.
01:55:08.820When I told them about it, they were absolutely horrified.
01:55:10.880Some of them just couldn't believe their ears, that there were drag queens in libraries reading storybooks to toddlers.
01:55:18.100And, you know, they knew straight away what was wrong with that, about having sexualized adult entertainers with children in the same space.
01:55:28.680They knew what was wrong with it straight away.
01:55:30.140And that was why some of them couldn't believe it.
01:55:48.140And again, our job is then also to, you know, collectively speaking within the ethno-national sphere is to push harder, right?
01:55:55.240Push harder now, in a sense, like in terms of like, okay, go from rhetoric to action.
01:55:59.120Do something about the things you're saying and about the kind of thing, right?
01:56:01.320So we take a W when we can and say, hey, look, collectively, you know, we've come a long way, so to speak, in five, ten years, obviously.
01:56:10.620But this is not, that's not what it stops.
01:56:13.440This needs to come into full fruition and actually political power needs to be wielded in such a way that we actually restore order to our countries, essentially, again.
01:56:26.160Sven, this has been a good discussion.
01:56:27.480I want to appreciate, I appreciate you coming on and I appreciate what you've done from all the way from Radio Arian to Radio Albion and continuing onward.
01:56:43.480And I hope that they will not continue to target you and that you will be able to continue doing your radio show and doing the broadcast and stuff.
01:57:07.180I've spent the last year and a half working on musical projects, getting back into that again.
01:57:13.960And now I'm back into the radio again.
01:57:15.480And, you know, I just feel really energized and invigorated and enjoying things.
01:57:21.580I say something positive has come out of it.
01:57:23.860And I've also come out into a world which is more aligned with pro-white thinking, which I never would have thought, you know, it happened thinking back to two and a half years ago.