Red Ice TV - From Podcast to Prison： UK's War on Speech with Sven Longshanks

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00:06:29.920 It's very good to finally be talking to you.

00:06:31.640 I think I first started listening to Red Ice probably about 2011.

00:06:36.160 Oh, nice.

00:06:36.920 Right.

00:06:37.500 Yeah.

00:06:37.940 Yeah.

00:06:37.960 Yeah.

00:06:38.040 And when it was all audio and the second hour you had to become a member to get the second hour.

00:06:44.780 And it may not have been until you guys became sort of racially aware that I started buying the membership.

00:06:49.920 But I definitely used to listen to it.

00:07:19.920 Your audio quality.

00:07:20.780 Your audio quality.

00:07:21.620 Your audio quality.

00:07:21.660 Your recordings were absolutely spot on.

00:07:23.540 That's my brother.

00:07:25.000 That's my brother.

00:07:25.720 That's my brother's job.

00:07:26.620 Yeah.

00:07:26.720 Frederick.

00:07:27.020 He was doing it.

00:07:27.560 So we played music together.

00:07:28.660 I mean, we were in different bands and stuff like that.

00:07:30.320 So we basically kind of converted the existing studio music here we had over just to a radio studio.

00:07:35.440 And he edited things and, you know, processed the audio meticulously and stuff like that.

00:07:39.420 Because that was, I mean, when we started, Skype wasn't even out yet.

00:07:43.980 Like there was, you know, there were like no call services on the internet.

00:07:47.900 That's how old.

00:07:49.360 I'm dating myself here.

00:07:50.600 But also like how long we've actually been doing this.

00:07:52.420 Right.

00:07:52.560 Kind of funny.

00:07:53.040 But anyway, I won't bore you with the stories.

00:07:55.840 But there's some funny ones of how we recorded in the early days.

00:07:59.900 But yeah, by the time you started listening 2011, 2012, something like that, Skype was out.

00:08:04.400 And I think that was the main kind of call service we used.

00:08:06.660 But anyway.

00:08:07.500 Yeah, I mean, we appreciate your work and your support over the years too, by the way.

00:08:11.640 When did you start Radio Arian?

00:08:14.120 Because that's, this is the whole legal trouble, right?

00:08:17.000 It was when it was, for you, that was when it was branded as Radio Arian, correct?

00:08:22.420 Yeah, that's, I mean, before that we were Radio Stormer.

00:08:26.160 I started out working for England on the day in Stormer.

00:08:29.580 And we had Radio Stormer that was there for a couple of years.

00:08:33.120 And I think that must have been 2013, 2014, something like that.

00:08:38.760 And then we had a sort of creative differences, I guess you could say.

00:08:45.100 And Radio Stormer changed to Radio Arian.

00:08:48.080 And then it was my project entirely.

00:08:50.540 And Andrew Anglin continued to cross-post the content at the Daily Stormer.

00:08:55.680 And then we fell out a little bit more.

00:08:58.060 And then Radio Arian became just published by Radio Arian.

00:09:02.160 And that carried on until 2017.

00:09:05.960 So there was probably a year, maybe two years as Radio Arian.

00:09:11.340 Before then, it actually became Radio Albion.

00:09:13.940 And when I got arrested, we had literally just changed the name of the website to Radio Albion a month previous.

00:09:21.460 And the direction of the website had been going towards making it more accessible and trying to aim the content at a wider number of people, at a large number of people.

00:09:33.520 Because originally it was just intended for a niche audience, basically a sort of national socialist audience.

00:09:40.040 And then after working with Mark Collette and talking with Mark, I decided that his, and the other co-hosts as well at Radio Albion,

00:09:48.080 we decided that his way of doing things was the right way to do things, to try and appeal to the maximum number of people.

00:09:54.420 And when you do that, maybe you have to sort of tone down some of the language.

00:09:59.980 Maybe you have to think that some of these jokes, only a small number of people are going to get these jokes.

00:10:05.200 And a wider number of people might be turned off by hearing them.

00:10:10.080 But when I started out, I just wanted to make nationalist content for nationalists to listen to.

00:10:15.000 And that's sort of changed over the years.

00:10:17.160 So we were generally going in a different direction to the one that the police seemed to think we were going in anyway, when they arrested me.

00:10:29.120 Which is why it seemed very malicious to me, to keep me waiting for a trial for four years,

00:10:34.560 and then prosecuting me over content from 2017, at which point it was 2021.

00:10:40.620 Geez. Yeah. And it was 2023 then, right? Was that when the actual conviction came in? Did I get that right?

00:10:49.340 Yes, it was May 2023.

00:10:51.820 That's right.

00:10:52.260 The trial, it kept being delayed. It was delayed for COVID, I think.

00:10:57.660 Then they finally served me with the papers.

00:10:59.560 And I didn't even know what podcast it was that they were charging me with until two years after I was arrested.

00:11:06.100 They gave me the papers and they said, this will be the date of the trial.

00:11:09.640 And I think then it might have got stopped for COVID.

00:11:12.400 Then they gave me another date for the trial.

00:11:14.880 And then that got stopped because of the barrister's strike.

00:11:18.940 And then they started it again and they stopped it again because of the barrister's strike.

00:11:23.240 And then the only time that the judge and the barristers could actually get together for the trial was in 2023.

00:11:31.540 And actually in 2023, at that date, and now it's been delayed like three or four times on that date,

00:11:37.720 my actual barrister was unable to make it, but they went ahead anyway.

00:11:41.680 And really, they had tried to hold the trial already three times to make sure that they had everybody there.

00:11:47.360 So they gave me another barrister instead of the one that was used to free speech.

00:11:52.360 But part of the reason why they did that, I think, is because they had already tried to hold the trial so many times.

00:11:58.120 And it kept being, you know, stopped for various reasons.

00:12:03.360 Still, though, that shows you how long that legal process is.

00:12:07.300 And that the process is part of the punishment, as I say, right?

00:12:10.700 So that's obviously what happened here.

00:12:12.600 So what happened like specifically?

00:12:14.720 Like, I've heard you talk about this elsewhere, but you can lay this out for us.

00:12:18.540 But, like, they used a piece over here from this podcast and then another piece over here from that podcast and then something here.

00:12:25.100 And it was like this kind of mosaic that they painted of, like, of things that you had said.

00:12:30.540 As usual, we know how these tricks go, so I'm not acting surprised here.

00:12:33.900 But for clarity for the audience so they understand, yes, they cherry-pick things out of it to make it seem kind of worse than it is in the context, correct?

00:12:42.520 Yes, originally, the prosecution, I think, just wanted to play the sentences where I was using words that were questionable.

00:12:53.800 And my defence barrister said, look, this is not on.

00:12:56.400 You have to have a context there.

00:12:58.720 And then the two barristers, the prosecution and defence, agreed that the context had to be there,

00:13:04.400 in which case that meant that the whole podcast had to be played in the court.

00:13:08.860 And the first judge that I had when they were deciding all of this, he was really furious.

00:13:14.360 He really didn't want the whole podcast to be played in the court.

00:13:17.540 He was saying things like, I'm not having you spouting your vile beliefs from a pulpit here in the court.

00:13:24.480 No, we're not going to have you playing this vile material.

00:13:28.100 And my defence barrister was saying, well, look, the whole point of getting it played is for his defence.

00:13:33.800 It's not to make it look worse.

00:13:36.720 And eventually they decided that they would play it all.

00:13:39.300 And they did play it all.

00:13:40.820 But then when I was being cross-examined, that's when he would grab one piece from one podcast,

00:13:48.340 one piece from another podcast, and put them together and say, but you said this.

00:13:52.380 And I would say, well, I don't recall saying that at all.

00:13:55.540 And he would say, on such and such a date, you said this.

00:13:57.640 And on such and such a date, you said that.

00:13:59.080 And I said, yes, but they weren't both said together.

00:14:01.440 The context around those words is different.

00:14:04.360 It's like what the BBC just did with the Donald Trump speech.

00:14:08.040 They took words from another speech or another time of day and linked it with a speech from earlier

00:14:14.160 to make him appear like he was saying the opposite of what he was saying.

00:14:18.020 And, you know, you might say, well, that's a dirty trick.

00:14:20.880 But that is a part of the British legal system where you have the prosecution

00:14:25.020 and they look for any way they can prosecute you.

00:14:27.800 They're not interested whether you're guilty or not guilty.

00:14:30.180 They just want to prosecute you.

00:14:31.300 You might be an innocent man, but their job is to prosecute you.

00:14:34.080 So that's what he was doing.

00:14:35.500 He was pulling bits from all over the place.

00:14:38.020 And I was having to defend against it.

00:14:40.160 How long of the podcasts did they play, would you say?

00:14:44.160 Like several episodes then in a row?

00:14:46.400 Or how much did that go on for?

00:14:48.600 I'm just curious.

00:14:50.520 It was 15 charges.

00:14:52.820 So it was 15 podcasts.

00:14:54.280 Some of them were about an hour long and some of them were half an hour long.

00:14:59.380 I beat them on five and I lost on 10.

00:15:02.820 The ones that I beat them on were the ones that were to do with historical subjects.

00:15:07.640 So we're talking about World War II, talking about Jews in history, that sort of subject.

00:15:14.640 You beat them on that?

00:15:15.920 You beat them on that?

00:15:16.740 Yeah.

00:15:17.140 Really?

00:15:17.780 Yeah.

00:15:18.200 Interesting.

00:15:18.580 So the upshot was, and also I was told this by probation, they said, you know, factual books, historical books, that's not a problem.

00:15:25.960 If you're talking about fact, it's the way that you present those facts that matters.

00:15:31.380 It's if you present them in a way which is insulting, abusive or threatening related to protected characteristics, then that's when it becomes incitement to hate.

00:15:41.900 So when I was talking about the historical subjects, it wasn't a problem and that could all be referred to my sources.

00:15:50.000 But when I was talking about generally about news, particularly about the grooming gangs at the time, this was a couple of years after Rotherham and nothing had been done about this.

00:16:02.700 And it was starting to come out that there were more grooming gangs up and down the country and there were reports saying that the police were covering these things up.

00:16:12.160 And that's what I was specifically talking about.

00:16:14.420 And I was abbreviating the word Pakistani is one of the terrible things that I did.

00:16:21.060 And abbreviating the word Pakistani 20 years ago, that wasn't seen as an insult.

00:16:25.780 It was just a common part of normal language.

00:16:28.020 So today, if you were to ask a jury, is that an insult, they would probably say, well, yes, that is used as an insult now.

00:16:35.760 So that was the sort of thing that tripped me up, basically.

00:16:41.840 And the jury, they couldn't really argue against that.

00:16:45.800 They couldn't really say, oh, well, that's not an insult.

00:16:48.340 The problem lies with the actual law itself and the way that it's interpreted.

00:16:53.600 Because you trade insults with people at work, don't you?

00:16:57.440 It's banter.

00:16:59.240 It's something that you do.

00:17:01.100 So to actually have that then made illegal, your average person doesn't understand these things, just thinks, well, that's just banter.

00:17:09.480 Surely I can't be prosecuted for abbreviating a word when I'm talking about grooming gangs.

00:17:16.140 I mean, I was literally talking about grooming gangs, murderers, rapists.

00:17:20.300 So quite emotive subjects.

00:17:23.040 And they were saying, well, because they are emotive subjects, you have to be careful with the language because people can hear those subjects and then they want to physically react.

00:17:31.980 Oh, my gosh.

00:17:33.400 And what about this aspect?

00:17:35.340 I think your defense brought this up.

00:17:37.400 This is a podcast you have to go and seek out, right?

00:17:41.420 It's not that it's being just kind of blasted at you like in a public square or something like that.

00:17:46.900 This is very like, you know, you're probably also just like I was like limited in terms of like getting access to Google search results rankings and things like this.

00:17:57.060 It's harder to find it, let's be honest, right?

00:17:59.740 So you're going to have to seek it out.

00:18:01.820 What was the back and forth between the prosecution and the defense on that issue?

00:18:08.080 Well, we didn't even have I don't think we even had a Twitter at the time.

00:18:12.420 We certainly didn't use Facebook.

00:18:14.080 We weren't on YouTube.

00:18:16.540 We mainly got heard about through the Daily Stormer.

00:18:19.620 And then after that, I was on Gab.

00:18:22.100 I don't think we were using Telegraph, Telegram rather at the time.

00:18:25.460 And that was part of the defense was to say, look, this is niche content for a particular part of the population who aren't going to be aren't going to be insulted by these words.

00:18:39.860 It's not like I was aiming them at black people or aiming them at Pakistanis.

00:18:44.060 I was aiming the content squarely at nationalists.

00:18:47.580 But then they would pull out other content of mine where I would be talking about, oh, well, this makes good propaganda, meaning good propaganda to civic nationalists is what we were talking about.

00:18:58.100 But then they would try to portray that as, yes, but you were trying to make this for everyone.

00:19:01.860 You were trying to make content that would bring people around to your point of view.

00:19:05.280 And then you were using language and terms like that.

00:19:10.160 So to say that you were just aiming it at a small part of the population, that's just you trying to cover up what you're really doing.

00:19:18.900 That was the sort of attack that they used.

00:19:21.240 And I thought that if if a Muslim was to go into a church and they were to hear the preacher talking about Jesus being the son of God, they would be insulted at that.

00:19:33.900 And they would say, well, God doesn't have a son.

00:19:36.640 You know, there is only one prophet.

00:19:38.680 That's Mohammed. 0.90

00:19:39.280 What you're saying is offensive to me.

00:19:41.360 It's insulting to the religion of Islam. 1.00

00:19:43.320 But it seemed to me that the reason why preachers in churches don't get prosecuted is because they're in the church talking to the parishioners of the church.

00:19:52.680 They're not going out on the streets, finding Muslims and then deliberately baiting Muslims by saying things to them that the Muslim might perceive to be blasphemous.

00:20:02.300 And I thought that that would be a good defense as well.

00:20:04.800 Yeah.

00:20:05.200 But yeah, they wouldn't have that.

00:20:07.740 They said, well, that would be within the church itself.

00:20:11.440 Your content is accessible to everyone, even though they might not have heard of it.

00:20:14.700 Isn't the church public?

00:20:16.220 Anyone can walk into the church, right?

00:20:18.440 But I get the point that they're not interested in actually getting good, you know, getting shot down by using analogies and putting in this.

00:20:28.800 Let's be honest.

00:20:29.420 That's not what this was about.

00:20:30.560 This was about targeting you and finding whatever way they could to get you convicted, right?

00:20:34.820 To feel the pain of daring to cover these issues and talking about this, right?

00:20:39.160 Yeah, and they wanted to create a chilling effect on people.

00:20:44.800 Patriotic Alternative was going really well.

00:20:47.920 And when I first got arrested, we'd had our first conference that I'd worked on together with Mark Collette and Patriotic Alternative got unveiled at that conference.

00:20:57.580 And then a month later, they arrested me.

00:20:59.240 And then Patriotic Alternative built up quite a large following.

00:21:03.320 And there was regional groups.

00:21:04.360 And we had PA Wales, which was really going somewhere.

00:21:08.200 It was a large group with lots of activism.

00:21:11.420 And then they charged me, put me on trial.

00:21:16.100 And when they sent me to jail, it had a chilling effect on the members of PA Wales.

00:21:20.760 And then shortly after that, the same happened to Sam Melia.

00:21:23.840 And he was also arrested for activities before he had joined Patriotic Alternative.

00:21:30.020 But because he was involved in Patriotic Alternative, again, it had this chilling effect.

00:21:35.200 And then they went after James Costello as well.

00:21:37.460 So you had three very prominent activists in Patriotic Alternative, all being jailed for things that they did before they joined Patriotic Alternative.

00:21:45.600 But that point was missed by people.

00:21:50.400 And they just saw that if you're associated with Patriotic Alternative, you're likely to get sent to jail, is what people thought.

00:21:57.780 And that's precisely what they wanted.

00:21:59.200 They wanted to create a chilling effect and stop people getting involved in real-life activism.

00:22:04.600 I also think they wanted to stop people from streaming and talking about these subjects.

00:22:09.160 It's like they think the problems are going to go away or not exist if they can stop people from talking about it.

00:22:14.920 You know, the way I see it is if you stop people from talking, they've got no alternative other than to use their fists.

00:22:22.680 You know, they have to use sign language, body language.

00:22:24.860 If you can't speak, if you can't communicate verbally, you have to use body language.

00:22:29.860 So if they censor people and stick people in prison for talking about these subjects,

00:22:36.040 I think that's more likely to cause the actual violence, which is what they claim they're trying to avoid with these laws.

00:22:43.020 But the other thing is, when the law came in, it was, well, we want to prevent violence against minorities.

00:22:50.560 And before people carry out the violence, they tend to use ethnic slurs, racial slurs.

00:22:56.000 They dehumanise their targets.

00:22:58.480 So that's the reason for bringing in this law that criminalises incitement to hate, not just incitement to violence.

00:23:06.500 But the result is sort of 20 years down the line, 25 years down the line, they now think that it's the words themselves that actually hurt people.

00:23:15.320 Instead of it being the words themselves that incite people onto violence,

00:23:19.240 it's the use of an abbreviation is going to cause serious harm to a Pakistani person.

00:23:25.480 When they were doing my risk assessments, they were saying that there is a high risk of serious harm occurring to refugees in my presence and ethnic minorities,

00:23:37.640 like a high risk of serious harm.

00:23:39.300 And what they meant was that there's a risk that I might abbreviate a word, not that there would actually be physical violence,

00:23:45.900 but that they've actually equated the words themselves with the violence now.

00:23:49.940 So it's sort of mission creep.

00:23:52.760 When the law came in, it was to prevent people from using these words that could lead to violence.

00:23:59.640 And now it's where you have to prevent people from using these words, 0.88

00:24:02.300 because using the words themselves cause harm to ethnic minorities, which is absolutely ridiculous.

00:24:08.260 And it makes you want to fight against it.

00:24:10.860 It makes you want to deliberately use the words they don't want you to use.

00:24:14.480 And of course, that's playing right into their game, because then they can just stick you in jail.

00:24:19.820 And then you're no longer active as an activist.

00:24:23.100 So that's what you're doing.

00:24:23.740 Well, it would be one of those, like, you'd need a million British people to kind of do it at once,

00:24:28.900 just to make the point, right?

00:24:30.000 If you could organize it of just like, so that they can't fight against it in that way.

00:24:33.560 They'll probably try.

00:24:34.400 I mean, they'll do some examples of people anyway, right?

00:24:36.940 But also, if you kind of concede, if you give them that ground, you know that they're going to try to grab for more.

00:24:45.080 And what's left after words, I mean, let's be honest, it's thoughts, right?

00:24:48.900 Then it's basically, well, you were thinking this when you were, you know, not that you were doing anything violent,

00:24:53.900 but like, now you're personally here, but in a situation, let's say you were walking past someone or whatever.

00:24:58.640 You didn't use any words, but you were thinking about something.

00:25:01.420 And that, you see how this works, the encroachment on like, you're limiting your ability to just be who you are,

00:25:08.260 think what you want to think, say what you want to say, and do what you want to do.

00:25:13.160 This is just, I mean, Britain has so many problems.

00:25:19.480 I mean, just, it's just a slew of issues from economic to demographic.

00:25:25.140 Just in the last few days, the MI6 head there, the, what was her name, the Aryan, the Aryan queen that's going to save England,

00:25:34.660 was pushing for war, essentially, or kind of saying that like, you need to send your sons and daughters to go to war in this, you know, with Russia, essentially, right?

00:25:43.800 So many things.

00:25:44.860 And then yet, they have so many resources, so much effort, so much time and money that they spend on going after people like you.

00:25:52.300 It's just, I mean, I know why they're doing it.

00:25:54.840 So again, I'm not trying to act stupid here, but I want people to put that in context and actually understand how bizarre and upside down or topsy-turvy this situation is, Sven.

00:26:06.240 Yeah, it shows you how important they view it.

00:26:10.080 As I was saying with these risk ratings, they put me on something which is known as MAPA 4, Multi-Agency Public Protection Assessment, I think, number four.

00:26:21.460 And that's the same as lifers. 0.88

00:26:23.520 That's the same as people that are in prison for murder.

00:26:26.000 They get put on MAPA 4.

00:26:27.620 So I was in jail, not in jail, at a hostel afterwards with a retired crime boss.

00:26:34.120 And he was on MAPA 4, the same as me.

00:26:36.960 And he was a big crime boss.

00:26:38.280 And yet they saw the use of abbreviating words, using old-fashioned language, as just as bad as being like the equivalent of a mafia crime boss or a murderer.

00:26:52.040 I mean, it's absolutely crazy.

00:26:54.500 You think the amount of resources that they put into it.

00:26:57.420 And when they arrested me, there was about 14 or 15 police in all, breaking into my house and going through everything.

00:27:09.340 And then you had all these various detectives.

00:27:11.900 When I was on probation, I had somebody that would come to speak to me every couple of weeks.

00:27:17.340 There would be a detective at the probation interviews.

00:27:19.740 There'd be the probation person.

00:27:21.520 There'd be their manager, who I'd also be talking to.

00:27:25.300 Then I had, like, key workers at the hostel.

00:27:28.620 All of these people, like, just, well, it just seemed like a huge waste of resources to go after somebody just for having, like, a different political view.

00:27:39.960 A political view, which is now a mainstream political view.

00:27:43.720 Well, yeah.

00:27:44.980 Yeah, I mean, my trial was just at the end of all the big push and the big censorship.

00:27:50.020 And then while I was inside, it was the Trump campaign and the election of Trump and the rise of Reform Party and the collapse of the Conservative Party.

00:27:59.720 All of these things came about.

00:28:01.600 And I'll just say one more thing.

00:28:03.140 At the trial itself, one of the things they were saying is it was horrific.

00:28:08.100 I was using the language.

00:28:09.140 I was calling illegal immigrants an invasion. 1.00

00:28:11.680 I was referring to them as invaders. 1.00

00:28:13.360 And they made a big point of this.

00:28:14.820 And then the very next day, the Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, referred to it as an invasion.

00:28:20.240 Right, right.

00:28:20.720 She said, Britain's been invaded.

00:28:22.240 It's an invasion.

00:28:23.680 And so that just shows you.

00:28:25.680 And to me, that seemed the start of it, is when she said that, that's when things started moving in the direction of more and more people talking about these subjects.

00:28:34.100 Yeah, it's so weird.

00:28:36.020 It's like they're kept.

00:28:37.520 We said it maybe a couple of years before five.

00:28:41.480 In some cases, ten, right?

00:28:42.840 But you see the rhetoric now that we were starting to have ten years ago.

00:28:45.560 It's like, it's mainstream now.

00:28:47.520 It's like, you know, yeah, as you said, it's an invasion, re-migration. 1.00

00:28:50.640 Now you see big voices, big politicians talking about this.

00:28:54.980 And here's a piece from The Spectator, right?

00:28:57.420 Talking about the horror of police involvement in the grooming gangs.

00:29:00.000 The type of thing that you were talking about.

00:29:01.280 But they can publish this now.

00:29:03.200 This isn't July 2025.

00:29:05.840 And it's very bizarre when it's like, well, is it legally enforceable or not, right?

00:29:14.180 Why does it not apply to other people now using these terms?

00:29:17.940 So it's still kind of like just, if it's enough people doing it, then we can't do anything about it, I guess.

00:29:24.580 That's still kind of the mentality, right?

00:29:26.500 Or what other conclusion can you draw from it?

00:29:28.980 Yes, and if you can get an MP to say these things.

00:29:33.740 Of course, MPs do have parliamentary privilege.

00:29:36.400 So they can say things which other people might get arrested for.

00:29:40.220 But when you have mainstream people talking about Britain being invaded and talking about re-migration,

00:29:46.280 then things change.

00:29:48.880 And I guess they would say, well, well, then that's what language evolves over time.

00:29:52.800 And maybe words in 10 years' time that would be seen as an insult now may not be seen as an insult in 10 years' time.

00:30:00.040 You know, that's the sort of argument that they would make.

00:30:01.920 But just another point that you raised was about speech crime and then about thought crime and what is it you're actually thinking.

00:30:08.740 Well, they're doing that already because to ascertain what you're already thinking, say you put out a flyer and it's got statistics on it.

00:30:16.680 It's got projected demographic statistics.

00:30:19.240 White people are going to become a minority by such and such a date. 0.96

00:30:22.460 That on its own is completely legal.

00:30:24.260 And then say you're posting that into people's houses.

00:30:27.360 Because they then say you get arrested, if they then go through your phone and they look at your social media and they then find you using the N-word, say,

00:30:36.580 they would then say, well, that is evidence of you being hateful towards this group.

00:30:42.780 Therefore, that is also evidence to say that when you put that flyer out, you were attempting to incite hate with it.

00:30:49.360 You weren't attempting to draw attention to this fact.

00:30:51.780 You were trying to incite hate because you used a hateful word on your social media.

00:30:57.360 So that's what they will use.

00:30:59.200 So that's why it's important.

00:31:00.020 If you're going to get involved in activism, don't use words like that on your social media.

00:31:04.660 Right.

00:31:04.800 Because if you get a poll and they find that on your phone, they will use that as evidence to show that something completely legal,

00:31:12.040 like a flyer, then becomes illegal because they will say, because you have used it to try and incite hate.

00:31:17.840 Whereas if they found no racial slurs on your phone, they find it very, very difficult to say, well, you were trying to incite hate by handing out that flyer.

00:31:27.360 Then they would have to accept that you were just trying to draw attention to the statistics and genuine concern about the replacement of the original demographic with a new one.

00:31:37.460 Yeah.

00:31:37.920 So they would have to accept it, you see.

00:31:39.920 Well, let's be honest.

00:31:41.020 I mean, we have to kind of, or I mean, you guys in the UK, obviously more so probably than any other countries.

00:31:47.620 It's bad as some other countries do, but UK is definitely ahead of this curve in many ways.

00:31:52.640 Walk around eggshells, be extremely, or let me put, rephrase that.

00:31:56.160 The people that are actively engaged in what the establishment says is far-right racist politics have to be super careful, like extra careful.

00:32:07.220 And of course, again, if people want to go to jail, that's easy in the UK if that's what they want to do.

00:32:13.960 You have to be smart about it.

00:32:15.160 You have to, why give them an excuse, right?

00:32:17.720 Yes, tone down your language, make it effective, make a point out of it in different ways.

00:32:22.640 And obviously, unfortunately, I mean, they've made an example out of you guys.

00:32:26.880 But at the same time, a lot of that has gotten a lot of coverage.

00:32:29.920 I mean, I think it was even Elon talking about Sam Milius' case, for example, about a year or so ago,

00:32:34.600 or like how insane it was for the sticker campaign that he was jailed for it.

00:32:38.820 And now he can't talk about anything.

00:32:40.920 He can't talk to certain people.

00:32:42.500 He can't, you know, he's tied essentially.

00:32:44.720 What was that like for you, the restrictions put on you?

00:32:47.800 And when were they finally released?

00:32:49.120 Well, I was released in August last year, and then I was put on license.

00:32:57.040 So you're licensed to be released on condition that you don't break these various conditions that are put on you.

00:33:06.040 And the conditions that they put on you, they're not supposed to be a punishment in themselves.

00:33:10.760 They're supposed to prevent you from re-offending, which I guess is fair enough.

00:33:16.720 If you're being released halfway through your sentence, the public generally expects people to serve out the whole of their sentence while they're in jail.

00:33:24.340 But there is also a rehabilitative aspect.

00:33:27.740 And if you release somebody from jail and you haven't worked on rehabilitation with them, then they haven't got much chance of being rehabilitated.

00:33:36.360 So the thinking is, well, we'll release people halfway through their sentence, and then we can put them on probation and we can help them, help rehabilitate them.

00:33:46.080 So they're not supposed to be punishing you.

00:33:48.260 They're just supposed to be preventing you from going out and carrying out the same offense again, which in my case was publishing audio content on my own website.

00:33:57.100 So in order to prevent me from re-offending, all they had to do was open up my website every day and see if I posted anything on there.

00:34:05.360 That was literally all that they had to do to prevent me re-offending.

00:34:08.780 But instead, they literally banned me from the whole internet.

00:34:12.020 I wasn't allowed to use the internet for anything other than to do with benefits, I think, and banking at first.

00:34:20.060 And I had to get stuff from Amazon.

00:34:22.600 I had to talk my parents through how to go on the computer and order stuff for me to send it to me.

00:34:28.540 So I couldn't even do any shopping.

00:34:29.820 And that was like that.

00:34:31.340 And for a good few months, probably about three months, it was like that.

00:34:34.800 I wasn't allowed to download any music at first.

00:34:37.640 And then when I was allowed to download music, it all had to be in English.

00:34:41.340 And I like Swedish folk music, actually, and ethnic folk metal and that sort of stuff.

00:34:47.880 And, of course, that's all written in Swedish or it's written in Russian.

00:34:51.300 So I couldn't listen to any of that music.

00:34:54.220 Why?

00:34:54.540 So that they could know what you were listening to?

00:34:57.660 Yes.

00:34:58.280 Yes.

00:34:59.020 So lots of screwdriver you downloaded then.

00:35:03.540 Just really over the top.

00:35:06.540 So the internet one was not allowed to use the internet at all apart from banking, I think it was, and benefits at first.

00:35:12.960 And then they gradually relented and they said, well, we'll let you have your laptop, but it will have to have a Trojan horse on it so we can spy on everything that you're looking at, basically.

00:35:24.900 I was like, fair enough.

00:35:26.060 I'm not going to break my license conditions, but I do need the internet.

00:35:28.940 I need to be online.

00:35:29.820 I still wasn't allowed to look anything up.

00:35:31.600 It wasn't until I'd been on license for about nine months, maybe 10 months before they actually allowed me to look things up on Google to use the encyclopedic function of the internet.

00:35:42.740 I was just not allowed to do that.

00:35:44.220 You think my offense was publishing.

00:35:46.540 It wasn't reading.

00:35:47.760 It's not an offense to read stuff, to learn about things, but they literally wouldn't let me learn about anything at first.

00:35:54.260 And then besides the internet, I had to use a 2G phone, which I think they've switched 2G off now, because I couldn't be trusted with an internet phone.

00:36:06.920 And then my conditions were I wasn't allowed to attend any meetings or attend or contribute to meetings, gatherings, websites, conferences.

00:36:20.240 Of any kind, not just politically?

00:36:21.880 Of any kind.

00:36:22.880 Of any kind.

00:36:24.020 Of any kind.

00:36:25.300 And I said, well, this meeting, there's two meanings of meeting, isn't there?

00:36:29.780 I said, you could be meeting a friend or you could be meeting a couple of friends in the street and go for a drink, or you could meet up.

00:36:36.180 I said, or you could have a political meeting or a meeting where minutes are taken and notes are taken by a secretary.

00:36:42.140 Which meeting is it that you mean?

00:36:43.700 And my probation manager said, well, it's that second one.

00:36:46.840 It's the one where they're taking notes.

00:36:48.020 And I said, so you're saying I will be able to arrange to go and have a Christmas meal with my friends once I'm released.

00:36:55.680 And she said, yes, that's fine.

00:36:57.100 I said, can I have this in writing?

00:36:58.760 And she said, I've just watched you write it down there.

00:37:01.080 We'll have it that you've written it down there.

00:37:02.920 And then after I'd been released for a couple of months and I had my 2G phone, I texted a friend of mine and said, oh, I'm hoping that we can meet up for dinner at Christmas, around about Christmas time.

00:37:16.660 Are you free on such and such a date?

00:37:17.980 Something like that.

00:37:18.680 And then the next meeting I had with my probation manager, when they went through my phone, the detective inspector that had to be there every meeting, he was looking through it.

00:37:27.320 And he was, oh, oh, can't have this.

00:37:29.080 You're breaking your license conditions.

00:37:30.540 And I said, look, I was explicitly told that I could arrange to have a meal and that the interpretation of meeting was not going out with my friends.

00:37:39.520 And they said, oh, no, well, we can't have this.

00:37:41.420 We're going to have to have a meeting about this, conference call about it, which obviously I wasn't a part of.

00:37:47.080 And then a few days later, I got a letter in the post telling me that I had breached my license conditions.

00:37:54.260 And just to clarify things, a meeting means meeting more than one person.

00:38:02.020 So they said a meeting actually means more than one person.

00:38:04.820 And I got back and I said, the next time I saw them, I said, look, this isn't clarifying things.

00:38:10.040 This is moving the goalposts entirely.

00:38:12.220 This is changing the definition of what you told me that that license restriction was.

00:38:17.080 And she said, look, at least we told you about it.

00:38:20.980 Meaning there are people that they just would just change their license conditions, the definition like that, without telling them so they can then stick them back in jail.

00:38:30.280 So she said, at least we told you that we were changing it.

00:38:34.500 We're not changing it, clarifying it.

00:38:36.460 So I was, you know, I was quite shocked at that, actually.

00:38:39.920 And I was like, oh, well, OK, thank you for telling me.

00:38:42.900 Thank you for having the grace to tell me that you changed my license condition.

00:38:46.480 Wow.

00:38:46.740 It was quite shocking to think that they would pull tricks like that on people, change the license conditions without actually telling them about it, what the meaning of something means.

00:38:56.620 So that was quite shocking.

00:38:59.020 I didn't really get on with my first probation manager.

00:39:02.140 And I wrote to their manager and said, can you provide me with another one?

00:39:07.720 Because everybody else that I'd met within the prison system, I got on absolutely fine with.

00:39:13.320 I didn't have any problems with anyone.

00:39:14.700 But it just seemed that she was adversarial, just wanting to pick a fight all the time, basically.

00:39:20.500 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:39:21.780 I mean, there must have been something on the back end there, Sven, where they're like, let's just make this as difficult for him as possible.

00:39:29.440 Let's make this an egregious process.

00:39:31.520 Let's make an example out of them.

00:39:33.040 And again, it's, you know, not news to regular listeners here, but it is an anarcho-tyrannical approach that they have to this, where there's complete leeway for some groups.

00:39:42.740 They can do whatever they want. They can essentially say whatever they want.

00:39:45.260 The only other thing we've seen kind of a clampdown on is some of the, you know, pro-Palestinian protests and things like that.

00:39:50.120 You've seen that in Germany and other countries as well.

00:39:52.400 But otherwise, it's only nationalists that are under that scrutiny.

00:39:57.060 And again, this is before, you know, the Southport protests.

00:40:00.720 It's before some of these kind of, you know, protests outside of migrant hotels and things like that.

00:40:04.940 I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't that people weren't out in the street then when you were convicted as they are now, right?

00:40:13.580 Yeah, none of these big protests that are going on now were happening then.

00:40:19.780 It's quite a big change.

00:40:23.740 I'm just trying to think of some of the instances that I saw with probation with other people as well.

00:40:29.340 You know, they were just like recall people to prison. 0.89

00:40:32.060 And there was somebody else I knew that got recalled to prison for an absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous thing. 0.55

00:40:38.360 A member of the public just phoned up the police and said that they were concerned about something. 0.86

00:40:43.600 And yeah, he never should have been sent back to jail.

00:40:47.520 He's stuck in jail now for another six years.

00:40:49.940 Oh, my.

00:40:50.420 And the probation knew that there was nothing to this complaint.

00:40:55.380 Nothing to this complaint.

00:40:56.700 And yet he's been sent back to jail.

00:40:59.760 Off the top of your head, Sven, just sorry to interrupt,

00:41:02.240 but do you have like a short list of people that you maybe directly know or at least know of that are in prison right now in the UK for similar things that you were or other type of kind of speech

00:41:15.080 or they owned this book or they made this post or something?

00:41:19.100 What do you think we're talking about?

00:41:20.620 Like more than 100 people or is it 20 people?

00:41:23.720 Or what do you, ballpark?

00:41:25.880 People that I personally know, probably about four or five.

00:41:33.120 More than that, yeah, there's going to be more than 100.

00:41:35.900 Must be, right?

00:41:36.680 Yeah.

00:41:37.200 Every other day it feels like I see something.

00:41:39.000 I'm like, here's someone, you know, hold off or so.

00:41:40.860 Or at least it's an initiated legal process that began where the police shows up at British people's doors,

00:41:49.780 knock on their door and they want to talk to them about the social media.

00:41:52.740 You're under investigation for this thing and this was hurtful or whatever.

00:41:56.260 It feels like I see something every other week now about that.

00:41:59.800 Must be hundreds, possibly thousands, especially if you think after the Southport protests,

00:42:06.800 when they really sort of clamped down on people and threw the book at them, basically.

00:42:10.860 And stuck as many people in jail as they could.

00:42:13.500 But one way you can contrast this is you were mentioning about the left and the Palestine protests about what's going on in Palestine.

00:42:21.740 So you have this organization called Palestine Action, very similar to the name National Action.

00:42:27.980 And Palestine Action are now banned as terrorists.

00:42:31.480 And what you see is you see lots of people going out and protesting this and they go out and protest this.

00:42:37.320 And to do this, they will hold up a sign saying that they support this prescribed organization.

00:42:42.900 And what you then read about is, oh, X number of people were arrested.

00:42:46.920 X number of people were arrested.

00:42:48.700 And this has been going on for months now.

00:42:50.340 And I have yet to see any of those people with charges against them.

00:42:55.560 None of them have been remanded in prison.

00:42:57.560 If somebody was to go out there and say the same about national action, they would be remanded.

00:43:02.080 They would be put in prison.

00:43:03.640 They wouldn't just be arrested and then allowed to go home.

00:43:06.780 So I think you can see that there's quite a clear difference there.

00:43:10.380 And as far as I'm aware, none of these supporters of Palestine Action have actually been taken to court yet.

00:43:16.280 Really?

00:43:16.780 So it's like a formality or what do you call it?

00:43:21.080 Like theater of sorts in a way.

00:43:23.140 Yeah.

00:43:24.640 Wow. Interesting.

00:43:25.420 So they're showing the appearance that, yeah, we're trying to do something about kind of the anti-Semitism issue that they see that the Palestinian protest is part of, obviously.

00:43:33.880 But the enforcement is not at all the same as it is for nationalists and activists.

00:43:39.360 Not at all.

00:43:40.300 They're just arresting them.

00:43:41.500 They're not actually throwing the book at them.

00:43:44.260 Like when you get arrested, they've got a choice.

00:43:46.560 They can give you bail, which means you might have license conditions, and then you can go home while they wait until they can find a court date.

00:43:55.260 Or they can remand you and they can put you in prison straight away.

00:43:59.900 And if you're supporting a terrorist organization, you know, that's a remand offense.

00:44:05.800 I've known people before that have been accused of being a part of a prescribed organization, and some of them were found not guilty eventually.

00:44:14.380 They were all put on remand.

00:44:16.520 They were all stuck in jail straight away.

00:44:18.580 And yet you've got hundreds of people that have been going out there saying that they support this prescribed organization, Palestine Action.

00:44:26.700 And you read about arrests, but nothing about any trials, any convictions.

00:44:33.060 I think they're just quietly dropping them.

00:44:35.660 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:44:36.700 You know, I don't think, I don't agree with them banning these organizations and calling them terrorists unless they have actually carried out terrorism.

00:44:45.360 Unless they've actually carried out violence, then you should ban them against people.

00:44:51.580 There is a threat of, you know, like mass violence.

00:44:55.720 But just for sort of putting stickers up, graffiti, that sort of thing, I don't think organizations should be banned.

00:45:06.760 And I think when they banned national action, I think part of that was so that they could say, well, we've banned a far right group as well.

00:45:14.000 We're not just banning Islamic groups.

00:45:15.700 We're banning this far right group as well.

00:45:17.540 Then, of course, there was lots of concerning stuff that was found out afterwards in the years after that they were actually banned.

00:45:24.000 But with this Palestine action, as far as I'm aware, they just spray painted a plane. 0.69

00:45:29.440 I mean, you could say that, well, that is vandalism, that is a threat to the Air Force.

00:45:37.660 It's, you know, it's something they shouldn't have done.

00:45:40.160 But to ban the whole organization, I think that's, it's a bit extreme.

00:45:44.840 And I think possibly these people that are going out there and protesting it, they're doing that to try and show that it's a little bit extreme to be banning this group as a terrorist organization.

00:45:55.560 But at the same time, when I spoke to probation and this detective inspector about it that was at my meetings, he said, oh, yes, they will be arrested and they will be charged and they will have to be even handed.

00:46:07.360 They will be treated in the same way as if it had been nationalists that have been supporting a prescribed organization.

00:46:13.600 So he was saying, oh, yes, they will be treated the same.

00:46:16.160 But I say, I haven't actually, I haven't actually seen it yet.

00:46:21.180 Interesting.

00:46:21.540 When you were going through the process, did you get a, I mean, it's probably different, but different people involved, you know, in your case, whether that be the, you know, police or, you know, other people in the legal system, essentially, along the way.

00:46:35.620 But did you feel that they were like, at least kind of trying to be professional and, you know, objective?

00:46:43.020 We know they're not, but I'm saying, well, did you get a sense of some of them along the way?

00:46:46.020 Like, these are, they feel to me like political activists and they have a personal, you know, kind of gripe with you.

00:46:53.060 Did you get any of that or how was that process?

00:46:55.840 Well, generally, people were very professional.

00:46:59.340 They were very professional and because I would put complaints in and then they would respond to the complaints and they would explain to me the reason for their decisions.

00:47:08.440 Generally, they were professional.

00:47:11.640 Wales is quite a traditional country.

00:47:13.020 I mean, I can't, couldn't really comment on English prisons.

00:47:18.780 In Wales, Welsh prisons, I can have conversations with people like prison officers, things like that.

00:47:25.000 Some of them were sort of conservative minded.

00:47:27.200 I didn't get the impression that any of them were out to get me.

00:47:32.020 But there may have been people further up the line that might have been out to get me that I didn't actually have any contact with.

00:47:38.200 Generally, the people that I interacted with, they all seemed professional to me.

00:47:44.440 Apart from this one issue with probation, I think that was just a personal clash of personalities with this one probation manager.

00:47:53.140 But everybody else did seem professional because I would question them about decisions that they made and then they would answer me.

00:47:59.560 There was one issue when I was at HMP Park.

00:48:03.000 When I first got there, they put me on a course doing radio broadcasting and what they had in the prison itself.

00:48:12.360 They had a radio studio and that were put out to a radio station that was on everybody's television set.

00:48:18.700 So it was like a local radio station for the prison.

00:48:21.640 When they found out that I did that anyway, and I had an internet radio station and a website doing all of that, they were quite excited about that.

00:48:31.140 And I went to go and meet everybody that was involved in it.

00:48:34.680 There was guys from black gangs and various others, all very friendly, got on quite well with them.

00:48:41.280 And I talked to them in the morning and I was expecting to go back there in the afternoon and like live stream with them.

00:48:48.140 And they were saying, oh, we get newspapers.

00:48:50.080 You get like the Daily Mirror and the Daily Sun.

00:48:53.300 So one sort of left wing, one sort of right wing.

00:48:55.500 And they were saying you can look through the newspapers and talk about, you know, discuss what's in the news, discuss what's going on.

00:49:01.020 And we try not to discuss what's going on in the prison.

00:49:03.660 So it was all, you know, very amicable, very professional.

00:49:06.760 I was looking forward to getting involved in that.

00:49:08.440 And I thought, well, at least they're going to make use of my talents in here.

00:49:11.860 I'm not just going to sort of waste away.

00:49:14.080 And then when I went out to the queue to actually leave the wing at two o'clock, they said, oh, no, your name's not on the list.

00:49:21.460 You've got to go back.

00:49:22.880 I said, well, can you tell me why I've been taken off the list?

00:49:25.720 They said, well, we don't know.

00:49:27.480 I said, who do I have to go to to find out why my name was taken off the list?

00:49:31.800 You'll have to see the wing manager.

00:49:34.340 Can I do that now?

00:49:35.320 No, you have to go back to your cell now.

00:49:36.720 So lock me in the cell.

00:49:38.120 So eventually I saw the wing manager.

00:49:41.420 I asked all the prison officers.

00:49:42.760 They couldn't find out.

00:49:43.800 Bear in mind, the college is like literally only like, I don't know, 50 feet away from the wing where the people are, where the teachers are, where they're doing all this stuff.

00:49:53.320 But, yeah, they couldn't find out for me.

00:49:55.180 They advised me to get in touch with the Independent Prisons Monitoring Board, which I did.

00:49:59.760 And I had an interview with them.

00:50:01.980 And they said they would try to get to the bottom of it.

00:50:05.360 And then after that, I was given my probation, this person that I didn't get on very well with.

00:50:12.300 And it was either her or it was the Independent Prisons Monitoring Board then got back to me eventually and said, oh, it was a security issue.

00:50:21.220 So the security branch of the prison decided that it would be a security risk for me to be working on the radio station because my offenses were linked to radio.

00:50:32.140 So that's fair enough.

00:50:33.980 But why couldn't you tell me that at first?

00:50:35.820 Because I was being told, oh, it's because you don't have security clearance.

00:50:39.580 Now, I didn't know the reason why they were doing this.

00:50:43.780 I mean, it's not like I would be repeating the same language on the radio station.

00:50:49.980 But one of the bizarrest things was that radio station, as I said, it had black gang members that were the DJs. 0.99

00:50:57.980 Like the music was, it was the N-word.

00:51:00.120 Every second word, it was like N-word this, N-word that, all coming out of the prison TV sets.

00:51:05.760 And there's maybe a sense of, like, I never used that, but I did play a punk song, which had that word in it, just a punk song.

00:51:13.120 And they said that was the most of, like, that was my worst crime was this punk song because it was violent as well.

00:51:18.780 It talked about, like, lynching people.

00:51:21.500 It was offensive.

00:51:22.900 But it was like a happy tune with quite gruesome lyrics.

00:51:26.100 It was humorous to me.

00:51:28.960 Yet they would try to portray it as this was, you know, this was my intent.

00:51:33.440 So, yeah, that was a bizarre thing.

00:51:35.760 And, I mean, that could have been out to get me.

00:51:39.540 But, again, it wasn't any of the people that I met.

00:51:41.400 And then what happened later on, Joe Marsh was writing to me.

00:51:47.940 And he lived fairly nearby, so he was able to come and visit me.

00:51:50.820 So he came and visit me a couple of times and some others from Patriotic Alternative Wales.

00:51:55.720 And then he was supposed to be coming to visit in a couple of days' time.

00:52:00.440 And I suddenly got a message telling me that I was not allowed to phone a number of people.

00:52:09.020 And Joe Marsh was one of them and Mark Collette was another.

00:52:11.700 And they said, you're not allowed to phone these people.

00:52:13.480 I thought, OK, I'm not allowed to phone these people.

00:52:15.820 I better email them and let them know this.

00:52:17.680 So I emailed them to let them know this.

00:52:20.160 And I was expecting to have my visit on the Thursday.

00:52:22.220 And on the Wednesday, they'd come and pick me up.

00:52:23.820 And they took me off to another prison without telling me where I was going.

00:52:26.760 When I got to the other prison, I still had bits of paper that I could write emails on.

00:52:32.080 People had paid for a reply to the emails they had sent me.

00:52:35.280 So I wrote out these replies saying, I've been moved to another prison.

00:52:38.680 I hope you got my message not to come in for the visit that week.

00:52:42.520 And I got no response.

00:52:44.400 And I sent out some letters and I got no response.

00:52:47.060 And when I was moved to the new prison, I saw they had a load of books.

00:52:49.820 They had like a Bible concordance.

00:52:52.060 They had a cell companion, which is put out by prisons.org.uk.

00:52:56.740 They had books on Anglo-Saxon history.

00:53:00.260 Not stuff that is going to be offensive or on the banned list

00:53:04.400 or anything at all.

00:53:06.000 Content that, you know, they couldn't complain about me having.

00:53:08.420 And yet I didn't have these books.

00:53:10.980 They'd kept these books from me.

00:53:12.020 And I hadn't had any letters for about a month.

00:53:13.680 So when I got to the new prison, I started sending all these complaints in saying,

00:53:18.080 why am I being treated like this?

00:53:19.860 You know, this is against all my human rights.

00:53:22.900 You're not letting me have books, which you haven't told me a reason for this,

00:53:27.280 let alone the fact that they're quite non-offensive textbooks.

00:53:31.000 I've got a suspicion that none of my emails are getting through.

00:53:34.140 I've got a suspicion that none of my letters are getting through.

00:53:37.220 And I've been at the new prison, HMP Perwin, for about a month.

00:53:41.160 And then finally, the security governor came to see me personally.

00:53:44.940 And she said, I'm sorry about all of this.

00:53:47.400 I had a week off sick and I've had a week off holiday.

00:53:50.700 Otherwise, I would have dealt with this.

00:53:52.220 She said, what's happened is your previous prison put a stop on you having any contact

00:53:58.500 with the outside world, basically.

00:54:00.420 They stopped me from any reading material, any letters, any emails, nothing.

00:54:06.140 I think I was allowed to talk to my parents and that was it.

00:54:08.500 But they hadn't told me this.

00:54:09.980 All they told me was I'm not allowed to email this small number of people.

00:54:14.400 And she said, without going through all the paperwork, she said, to try and find out why

00:54:20.500 they've done this.

00:54:21.180 I don't know why they've done this.

00:54:22.640 And I'm quite satisfied that you're not going to re-offend because their excuse was we're

00:54:28.500 putting all this in place and no contact to prevent him from re-offending.

00:54:34.140 Even though I'm in prison, they thought some way I was going to re-offend by talking to

00:54:39.680 people on the outside or by reading textbooks, I don't know.

00:54:43.320 And she said, I'm quite satisfied that you're not going to re-offend.

00:54:45.880 You're in prison.

00:54:46.560 She said, you know, you have, there has to be something really quite extreme for them

00:54:50.220 to bring this regulation in place, you know, not just for no reason.

00:54:55.420 And she said, because I'm satisfied that we can manage your risk in the prison, I'm going

00:55:01.880 to undo all of those restrictions.

00:55:04.200 She said, no, you'll phone who you want, get letters from who you want.

00:55:08.540 She said, I'll have a look at your books.

00:55:10.720 She said, and if I do have to stop any of your mail for, because it breaks prison regulations,

00:55:16.620 I will tell you about that and I will keep the mail for you and you will get it when you

00:55:21.320 leave. 0.99

00:55:21.940 So she kindly sorted all that out for me.

00:55:25.600 And I still don't know why HMP Park did that.

00:55:28.720 It may have been because Joe that was coming to see me, he was involved in protests at the

00:55:33.840 time and they may have thought that I might have said something to him that he might repeat

00:55:40.020 in a protest.

00:55:40.840 Silly things like that, because Mark Collette wrote to me and he, and at the end of the

00:55:44.600 letter, he wrote me a really lovely letter. 0.72

00:55:46.160 And at the end of the letter, he said something about, oh, if you want me to pass a message

00:55:50.400 on to anyone, just, just let me know and I'll pass it on.

00:55:54.840 And they banned me from having that letter.

00:55:56.740 They kept that letter because they said what that was doing was offering to publish something

00:56:01.140 for me.

00:56:01.760 And because my offence was a publishing offence, they couldn't let me have this letter.

00:56:06.420 So if you're writing to people in prison, don't offer to pass a message on to anybody

00:56:11.040 or anything like that, because they'll see it as, as publishing.

00:56:15.040 Some secret code message.

00:56:16.520 Yeah, I mean, they may have been concerned that I might have said something to Joe and

00:56:21.880 he might have said it on a loud, loud hailer at a protest.

00:56:26.280 And therefore I was getting my message out, even though while I was still in prison.

00:56:29.840 So, I mean, that, that might've been what they were trying to do.

00:56:32.580 Wow, the nitpicking.

00:56:33.820 It's incredible because, you know, I want to focus on this a little bit too, just the

00:56:37.580 overcrowding of the prisons in the UK.

00:56:40.060 And especially I heard Wales was particularly bad.

00:56:42.280 Now, I'm not sure if you moved from Wales eventually to another area.

00:56:45.660 Yeah, I know you were talking about this, that you were moved around quite a bit, right?

00:56:49.140 They took you to this prison and then over here and there, over there.

00:56:51.880 You can talk about that a little bit.

00:56:53.200 And I think you described one of the prisons too, just how, how horrendous it was with

00:56:58.780 the acoustics in there.

00:56:59.920 It was all like metal or something.

00:57:01.580 And it was like, everything was like bouncing off.

00:57:03.520 It was like a nightmare.

00:57:04.420 Tell us about that.

00:57:06.060 Yeah, that was horrendous.

00:57:07.020 That was, that was a part.

00:57:08.620 I'll tell you about Swansea at first.

00:57:10.120 The first prison I went to was a lovely old prison, 200 years old.

00:57:13.380 And it's all made out of stonework.

00:57:15.640 The stones are different sizes.

00:57:18.020 It was before they had factories making uniform sizes for bricks.

00:57:22.280 So it's a real art form, actually laying a course of these stones and getting them to

00:57:28.260 look good.

00:57:28.700 And you've got arches over the cell doors and they're much lower than today when people

00:57:34.880 were much shorter.

00:57:36.980 So the cell doors are only sort of like five foot six.

00:57:39.560 It's almost like, like, like a sort of hobbit prison, you know, pigeons outside.

00:57:47.000 And yeah, it, it, it, it smelt bad because it had been there for so long, but then they

00:57:53.080 put me in HMP park and that was a privately run prison.

00:57:57.880 And that was just metal boxes and like the doors would clang.

00:58:03.380 There's no symmetry.

00:58:04.800 Even when you looked at the door, both the door posts were different sizes, different

00:58:09.420 thicknesses.

00:58:10.260 And the lintel over the top was a different size as well.

00:58:13.260 And the, on the inside, it was just like being in a, in a, in a metal box.

00:58:19.060 Again, there was no symmetry in there.

00:58:20.660 There was a little stool, which you could pull out from the table with the television.

00:58:26.060 And then you would literally be, be sat sort of six inches away from the TV screen.

00:58:31.020 So there was no way to actually sit there to watch the television.

00:58:34.620 It was very uncomfortable.

00:58:36.560 And then when you came out, when they would let everybody out, as soon as there was more

00:58:40.660 than sort of two people out on the wing, it was absolutely deafening, just a cacophony

00:58:45.240 of noise.

00:58:46.440 You know, if you know what, remember what it's like, you know, at school and you're in the

00:58:49.260 gym and there's all this echoing noise, it's like a hundred times worse than that.

00:58:53.960 Yeah.

00:58:54.240 Great high vaulted, like quite high ceiling.

00:58:58.240 So not vaulted, but a massive, great high ceiling as well.

00:59:02.460 And then you would go outside into the yard and all you could see over the other side

00:59:06.580 was another metal box.

00:59:08.240 I don't think you could even see any brickwork.

00:59:09.980 So you just saw this other metal box on the other side and then railings and more,

00:59:16.220 more concrete.

00:59:16.960 It was really unnatural and seemed almost designed to, to be unnatural, to come from 1.00

00:59:25.480 somewhere that was all symmetry and arches and old stonework and then be put in this metal

00:59:31.560 box.

00:59:32.260 It was like in the first one, they had obviously thought of the people that were putting in

00:59:37.220 there, even though they've, some of them have committed horrific crimes, they're still

00:59:40.020 human beings and we'll put them in surroundings, which will try to put, put them in a calmer

00:59:47.680 state of mind. 0.99

00:59:48.500 Whereas the prison that I was putting in park, it was like, you're just a scum of the earth. 1.00

00:59:54.980 We're just going to put you in the absolute bare minimum. 1.00

00:59:57.220 You're going to be put in this metal box with no concern whatsoever for anything.

01:00:01.280 And we're just going to warehouse you and we're going to try and make money out of you,

01:00:04.700 getting you to work on whatever I say, cause it was, it was a private prison.

01:00:08.860 So that, that was horrendous and they didn't have enough staff there.

01:00:12.740 So everybody would be locked in, only allowed out like half an hour a day.

01:00:17.140 And there were people saying, as soon as it hits the summer, they all go on their holidays.

01:00:20.860 So we'll have no, no college education.

01:00:23.700 We'll have no working.

01:00:25.700 I don't think there was a week there when they actually had a full routine during the

01:00:30.700 week of like four or five days of people going into work or going into college.

01:00:34.780 It was that bad.

01:00:35.840 Um, and when, when they didn't let me, sometime they didn't let me go to the library for months

01:00:40.920 or two months and they wouldn't let me go to the chapel either, even though I knew I wanted

01:00:46.040 to go to the chapel, I'd seen the chaplain.

01:00:47.660 I said, I'd like to go to the chapel and, um, yeah, they wouldn't let me go.

01:00:51.340 They insisted that I had to put in a, uh, a request on this, um, console thing that we

01:00:58.560 had, and I had to get a response from the request before the chapel.

01:01:01.960 And eventually I, I started doing this because one of the prisoners suggested that I do this

01:01:06.540 because they didn't, don't tell you anything.

01:01:08.180 So they don't tell you, you can't write to other prisoners.

01:01:11.120 You know, they don't tell you that don't ask anybody to pass a message to somebody on the

01:01:17.160 outside or anything like that.

01:01:18.760 Right.

01:01:18.940 You know, they don't tell you any of these rules and regulations.

01:01:21.400 You're just expected to sort of learn these things as you, as you go along.

01:01:26.400 But then, then I, then I got moved from there, as I say, to this, this other prison where they

01:01:30.620 sort of reversed these restrictions and the other prison was a new prison and it was, it

01:01:35.620 was brickwork.

01:01:37.380 And again, it was, the cells on the inside was smooth plaster and there was a nice rounded

01:01:43.680 corners.

01:01:44.400 Just a lot more, I don't know what the word is, just a lot more harmonious.

01:01:51.100 Whereas those, it's in the opposite of that.

01:01:53.620 Yeah.

01:01:53.840 Part of the reason also why I wanted to bring that up is of course, yeah.

01:01:57.980 I mean, if you're a, you know, serial, you know, criminal, offend, violent crime, criminal,

01:02:02.300 whatever, I'm not saying it should be a pleasurable experience for them to be in jail, but for the 0.96

01:02:07.540 supposed crime of what you're doing, this is obviously totally ridiculous.

01:02:12.180 And I was just looking up real quick, like, okay, what's the, what's the UK's policy then

01:02:16.120 in terms of like trying to reduce re-offending, right?

01:02:19.260 What's their policy in terms of like actually having a good environment to create, if they

01:02:23.460 have this idea of like, well, we're going to, you know, focus on what do you call it?

01:02:30.400 Rehabilitation, right?

01:02:31.280 We're going to, we're going to try to improve the, kind of the mental, if you will, so you

01:02:38.120 educate them and all these things, you know, you can call it PC or whatever, but okay,

01:02:41.860 fine, I'm just looking at that for what they say that it is.

01:02:44.420 Putting people in prisons like this that drives you insane and breaks your, you know, brain

01:02:48.620 of just the noise and the, the disharmony, I guess, like no aesthetics, right?

01:02:55.620 It's awful.

01:02:56.560 What's the chances that you will be, you know, be able to be rehabilitated in any way? 0.76

01:03:01.940 You will just go insane essentially.

01:03:03.720 So this is like a contradictory thing, right?

01:03:05.540 Over, overcrowded prisons, yet here they are putting you guys and, you know, you and so

01:03:12.100 many others in the UK through this system when you actually have real violent crime there.

01:03:16.420 Well, what would you say, were there different demographics at the prison?

01:03:21.600 Was there, we hear about Prislam, of course, in Europe, right?

01:03:24.200 It's overrepresented by a lot of the Muslims and stuff.

01:03:26.940 Did you see that?

01:03:27.920 And if you did have that, were you, were you in danger at any point?

01:03:31.780 Was there any risk for, for you being there?

01:03:35.600 I talk to people.

01:03:37.120 I know, I know a bit about Islam.

01:03:38.860 I've read the Quran and I'm not, I'm not against Islam in general.

01:03:45.000 I don't agree with mass immigration into my country. 0.89

01:03:48.260 I'm not against Islam for Arabs.

01:03:50.740 I think it works quite well for Arabs and in Arab countries, you know, it's their system.

01:03:55.980 So I'm not, I'm not actually against that.

01:03:58.320 When I was in Park, I think the wing started off with something like 30 or 40 Muslims on

01:04:04.900 it.

01:04:05.100 By the end, there was 60.

01:04:06.620 No, there was one or two of us that were going to the chapel.

01:04:09.980 So the wing did seem as if it was filled with Muslims, but I didn't have any issues with

01:04:14.920 them at all.

01:04:15.680 Actually, they were, they were all right.

01:04:17.840 When I said I was going, they all cheered.

01:04:19.540 You know, I did, I got on quite well with them.

01:04:22.160 They weren't against me at all.

01:04:24.200 And then when I was put in, um, Berwyn, I was on the enhanced wing and the enhanced

01:04:30.660 wing is the wing where people behave themselves go.

01:04:34.420 And the wing was sort of like 98, 99% white.

01:04:39.020 And I guess it's because it's all people who behave themselves.

01:04:42.060 And they were actually told that they needed to diversify the wing a bit more and they needed

01:04:47.620 to.

01:04:47.800 But the issue was, well, look, we don't want people in here that don't behave themselves.

01:04:53.500 Right.

01:04:53.720 You know, if you behave yourself, you could come on our wing because they did have like

01:04:56.940 liaison between, you know, the, the prisoner representative and the prison itself.

01:05:01.780 They're like, well, you know, we can't accept people in here that don't behave themselves.

01:05:06.920 And there were some people that were put in there and straight away they weren't behaving

01:05:10.660 themselves and they were, they were kicked out again.

01:05:12.700 And then, um, we did get some Muslims on there and yeah, I got on quite well with them.

01:05:17.660 There's one chap I was talking to and he was just talking to me about, um, Pakistan and

01:05:21.740 what life was like over there in the villages and how different it is over here.

01:05:26.680 The ones that are observant about their religion are conservative minded people.

01:05:33.400 And they're obviously against grooming gangs and child abuse and all that sort of thing.

01:05:37.760 In fact, um, like child abusers and pedophiles, they have to keep them separate from the general

01:05:43.860 population in the prison. 0.99

01:05:44.900 Otherwise the general population would kill them.

01:05:47.220 A lot of the, a lot of the general population, they were abused as children and instead of 0.53

01:05:52.620 going on to abuse children, they've gone on to do all sorts of other messed up things like

01:05:56.440 get involved in violence and all that sort of stuff.

01:05:59.800 Um, and, and there's a lot of anger there against child abusers.

01:06:04.040 So pedophiles, when there was a, there was a riot in strange ways and they got in and when

01:06:11.320 they had that riot, they got the pedophiles and they were putting them on the dentist chair

01:06:14.660 and pulling out the teeth. 0.98

01:06:16.120 And I think they killed some of them. 0.68

01:06:17.660 So it's, it's, it's dangerous for pedophiles in prison.

01:06:21.380 As it should be.

01:06:22.580 At least they're taken care of in prison, I guess, then as opposed to the legal system.

01:06:26.540 Yeah, they will be.

01:06:28.140 And, and, you know, I think some people regret the crimes that they've done or regret the

01:06:33.920 violence that they've done.

01:06:34.900 And I think, well, at least I can make up for it.

01:06:36.480 I can use that violence to take out somebody who hurts children. 0.74

01:06:39.560 Right. 0.97

01:06:39.940 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:40.400 That sort of attitude, you know, people don't want to be in there.

01:06:44.300 A lot of them wish they had done whatever it is that they've done and they want help

01:06:48.120 with a violent temper and, and things like that.

01:06:50.720 And it's, um, difficult to get the help.

01:06:53.060 And essentially it's, you know, you have to have self-control and some people are just

01:06:58.120 genetically predisposed to being more violent than others.

01:07:01.680 Yep.

01:07:02.120 Correct.

01:07:02.340 It's a genetic component.

01:07:03.620 Yep.

01:07:03.760 We don't, we don't get rid of them anymore because we don't have the, like the, the death

01:07:07.120 penalty.

01:07:07.480 So gradually you'll, you'll get more and more of them in society as well.

01:07:11.060 That's just it.

01:07:11.640 Exactly.

01:07:12.080 I mean, look at, I mean, England was, I think, fairly similar to Sweden.

01:07:16.240 Like any, you know, they, you can term it antisocial behavior, but it's any criminal behavior

01:07:21.420 and stuff like that.

01:07:21.960 Even petty theft and stuff like, I mean, for a while there, middle edges and onwards, it 0.97

01:07:27.440 was like, as a ruthless, uh, campaign to basically like, you know, kill as many of those people 0.98

01:07:32.700 as possible. 1.00

01:07:33.300 Right.

01:07:33.580 They're putting prison dungeons, you know, and stuff like this.

01:07:36.560 And they, many of them died, of course, which actually over time, there was a kind of a,

01:07:41.300 therefore then a selection pressure for well-behaved people over time.

01:07:47.040 I mean, that's actually how partially Sweden became such a, you know, kind of high trust

01:07:50.360 society is because it was such a harsh, you know, a few hundred years there, basically

01:07:54.700 like taking out the worst criminal element.

01:07:57.080 At the same time, they kind of, interestingly, just as a side note, creates a society where

01:08:02.000 you have, um, also high obedience, obedience, right?

01:08:06.520 To the system and to like following the laws and the rules.

01:08:09.520 Of course, that's not a bad thing.

01:08:11.260 If you can have it ethnically homogenous, that's great.

01:08:14.140 But when you all of a sudden then in the modern era flood that society with a bunch of migrants 1.00

01:08:18.140 and other criminally minded individuals and stuff, that's really when the chaos kind of

01:08:23.040 begins.

01:08:23.380 And I think the UK have very similar, um, you know, experiences in that way that like

01:08:28.600 Sweden and other countries do in Europe.

01:08:31.580 Yeah.

01:08:31.980 I mean, if you think, if you think about it, you're talking about the way that things

01:08:35.920 used to be in Europe, um, with sort of medieval punishments and then the society that we end

01:08:41.360 up with today in the Islamic world, they still have these very, very serious punishments. 0.76

01:08:46.340 So what is somebody going to do who lives over there when they know that there's another

01:08:50.960 part of the world where they don't have these punishments?

01:08:53.840 And that it's going to make our countries into a magnet for the, for the worst sort of people 1.00

01:08:58.940 from Islamic countries that do still have those sorts of punishments.

01:09:03.340 So they're going to come over to Britain. 0.99

01:09:05.300 That's, that's why it only works in a, in a homogenous society. 0.82

01:09:08.420 Otherwise you end up with a part of the world where all the criminally minded people from 1.00

01:09:13.240 all the other countries are going to flop to.

01:09:15.440 And at the moment that's Europe and America.

01:09:17.600 You can get away with anything essentially.

01:09:19.860 And even if you do these crimes, then you're like, you're put up in a cush, you know,

01:09:22.960 environment.

01:09:23.780 Look at that.

01:09:24.360 I mean, people kind of make fun of it, but look at like the prison systems in Norway or something,

01:09:27.920 right?

01:09:28.180 There's like this, it's one of the highest praised ones and all the liberals out there

01:09:32.680 are like, oh, this is so great.

01:09:34.060 This will be working for, you know, rehabilitation or whatever.

01:09:37.360 No, if you have people of a totally different mindset that not, doesn't share those cultural

01:09:41.740 values that you do, they, that, that's like staying at a hotel for them.

01:09:45.660 That might even be better than the conditions they came from to be in a prison.

01:09:49.120 It's like incentivizing the crime almost.

01:09:51.300 It's insane.

01:09:53.000 That's, that's the issue.

01:09:54.140 It has to be tailored to the particular ethnic group.

01:09:56.800 You can't just treat all ethnic groups the same. 0.66

01:09:59.900 I mean, when I was in prison, people would talk about Norway and that they would say

01:10:04.080 Norway has a much better rate of rehabilitation because of the way that the prison system is

01:10:09.580 and the way their rehabilitation system is.

01:10:12.000 And I think Britain is sort of halfway between Norway and America.

01:10:15.220 I think in America, you don't even get medical, you don't even get your prescriptions.

01:10:19.980 You don't get medical help.

01:10:21.280 Whereas if you're in prison in Britain and you've got NHS prescriptions, you continue

01:10:27.200 to get all your prescriptions while you're in prison.

01:10:29.440 They will medicate you. 0.92

01:10:30.940 I don't think they even have that in, in America.

01:10:33.500 So the people would say that in, in Norway, that it was much better with rehabilitation because

01:10:37.600 essentially the punishment is your loss of liberty.

01:10:40.680 You're, you don't have any liberty at all.

01:10:42.500 You don't make any decisions anymore.

01:10:45.060 You're locked in effectively a, well, just a cell.

01:10:49.280 Even if you were locked in your bedroom for a year, you would find it difficult if you

01:10:55.460 were allowed out half an hour of time, even with all your luxuries that you have in your

01:10:59.000 bedroom.

01:10:59.340 So it's the loss of liberty that is the actual punishment and the loss of autonomy over,

01:11:03.940 of absolutely everything.

01:11:05.360 You can't make any decisions yourself.

01:11:07.380 If you want to do anything, you have to send in a request to actually do that.

01:11:12.340 You can't make a decision about anything.

01:11:14.240 It's all done for you.

01:11:15.840 And losing that ability, that that's what the punishment is.

01:11:20.080 It's not so much the hardship.

01:11:22.580 I mean, when you think about it, I think the word cell actually comes from monks.

01:11:26.220 They used to live in what were called cells and they would deprive themselves of material

01:11:31.360 wealth and material goods because they saw that as being spiritually positive.

01:11:35.720 It would strengthen their spirit to remove all the material luxuries.

01:11:40.460 So in a way, when you're in prison, that's all being removed from you.

01:11:45.740 So it should strengthen your spirit.

01:11:48.380 But the difference between what the monks do and what the prison do, that the monk still

01:11:52.140 has his own control over what he does and at what times and where.

01:11:57.980 When you're in prison, you've got no control over what time you do anything.

01:12:00.980 So you're told you have to do this now, you have to do that then, you have to do this,

01:12:06.000 you have to do that all the time.

01:12:07.540 And that's the real punishment.

01:12:11.740 Yeah.

01:12:12.120 And again, obviously catering to what type of crime it is as well, right?

01:12:15.980 If you talk about violent offenders, violent crime, and those who re-offend violently as

01:12:21.440 well. 0.67

01:12:21.780 Like just, I mean, just get rid of them.

01:12:24.500 Like why even keep them around in society?

01:12:25.900 Really, there's a cutoff point at some point is like, okay, we tried.

01:12:29.500 All right, fine.

01:12:30.140 Like just out you go.

01:12:31.540 You're no welcome in society anymore.

01:12:33.580 But however, if it's stuff like this, like what's the, but you know, again, that's what's

01:12:37.500 so weird with our countries, right?

01:12:38.860 Oh, rehabilitation.

01:12:40.100 And we want to help these people.

01:12:41.360 And it's, you know, velvet gloves or whatever.

01:12:44.040 But then here's like the speech in code enforcement and hate speech laws.

01:12:49.040 And like, it's just, it's like they're doing, maybe it's not just two, it's multiple, they're

01:12:54.360 trying to do multiple things at the same time with the same application of the, of the punishment

01:13:00.500 and the, and the system.

01:13:01.600 It's just, I don't know.

01:13:02.640 I mean, I'm not, it's a Guckagordian knot, I guess.

01:13:05.040 I'm not even going to try to unravel it.

01:13:06.400 But the point is, let's be, let's be blunt. 0.99

01:13:09.360 It's fucking ridiculous that you had to go through this. 0.99

01:13:13.080 And it's fucking ridiculous that you have people today in prison in the UK for similar 0.99

01:13:18.440 things, or they did a telegram post, or they owned the wrong book, or they said this online, 0.98

01:13:24.220 or did this. 0.99

01:13:25.040 And meanwhile, as we've, you know, kind of highlighted here, you have Muslim rape gangs, 1.00

01:13:30.440 you have grooming gangs, you have all kinds of issues with other type of violent crime 0.98

01:13:36.000 in the UK.

01:13:37.280 And that, of course, that's where the focus should be.

01:13:40.780 As we know, the stories at the time, Sven, I mean, that came out, was like that the police

01:13:44.640 had even gone after fathers of those girls that had been groomed or, you know, abused

01:13:51.860 and drugged and everything else that wanted to, you know, maybe not vengeance against the

01:13:58.800 people that have done it, but they had just, like, complained.

01:14:00.840 They had, they were arrested for, like, saying racist things and weird stuff like that.

01:14:05.900 Remember?

01:14:07.040 A lot of things come out in the wake of that, from Rotherham, from Luton, from all these other

01:14:10.860 places we've learned about over the years.

01:14:13.240 And it seems to be this kind of, I'm not saying it's totally hands-off, that'd be somewhat

01:14:17.120 disingenuous, but it's almost like this, let's just kind of try to ignore that, let's cover

01:14:22.960 some of it up, let's kind of downplay it, it's not that bad, right?

01:14:27.480 And then meanwhile, a strict enforcement for the Brits, right, that you were held under

01:14:32.320 a totally different legal system and requirement.

01:14:35.680 The expectations on the native British population is way different than it is for this new imported 0.99

01:14:41.760 migrant population, right?

01:14:45.240 Yeah, so if you, if you complain about these issues, then you're running the risk of being

01:14:49.380 sent to jail yourself. 0.73

01:14:50.540 We're hearing about this all the time, particularly in Germany, people that have been guilty of

01:14:56.020 rape that haven't been given a prison sentence and somebody who complains about the rape on

01:15:00.580 social media, they get given a prison sentence.

01:15:02.920 And I don't think this is lost, it certainly wasn't lost on the Muslims that I spoke to,

01:15:08.800 they were like, what, you know, what's wrong with your people?

01:15:11.200 Why are you doing this to yourself?

01:15:13.180 Why, why are you sticking people like yourself, me, in jail and letting the rapists go free? 0.98

01:15:20.140 They would ask that, why, why are we making the white male the butt of all the jokes? 0.98

01:15:26.020 Why, why is the white male always the bad guy? 0.93

01:15:28.520 And why have we allowed all this, all this feminism to take over? 1.00

01:15:32.800 And they were sort of like quite joking about it.

01:15:35.500 And that's what I mean.

01:15:36.460 I could get on a certain, um, understand, understanding between myself and traditionalist

01:15:42.100 Muslims on the, on those sorts of, those sorts of issues.

01:15:45.240 But why would they want to step in and, um, prevent us from doing this?

01:15:49.860 You know, to them, it's, it's just, I guess, mildly amusing to see this, this other people

01:15:56.480 group just totally destroying itself.

01:15:58.720 And they, and they don't understand why it is that that, that that's going on.

01:16:03.120 It's, um, you know, it's, it's, it's really quite shocking when you, when you think how

01:16:08.480 many people must be in jail for complaining about issues that the people that actually carried

01:16:13.220 out the crimes are still, uh, walking the streets.

01:16:16.560 Yeah, yep, exactly.

01:16:18.260 Yep.

01:16:18.640 It's, they, it's like they want it, they want that to happen.

01:16:22.220 It's like a feature, uh, not, not a, not a bug, as I say.

01:16:26.460 Um, so what else would you, is there something else you kind of feel we're missing out in

01:16:31.240 terms of, I know you had, there were issues, I think with your medication you were talking

01:16:34.920 about, I'm not sure you're going to talk about that or how you, in terms of if you feel

01:16:38.380 that's important or not, if there's something else we're missing kind of in the overall picture

01:16:41.720 of all of this, just keep that in mind and go in there right away if you want to.

01:16:46.560 We can talk about that, but otherwise I didn't want to ask you, is everything, everything's

01:16:50.140 dropped now?

01:16:50.940 There's no follow-up as far as, uh, you know, in a way, are you, um, are you concerned that

01:16:59.140 if you do more than shows or something, do you, do you feel confident in terms of like,

01:17:03.600 okay, okay, I know what like words I'm allowed to use or how I can say something or whatever,

01:17:10.860 or do you just feel this could just happen at any moment again because the, the goalposts

01:17:16.660 keeps moving?

01:17:18.280 Well, now you can't say this or, or, or you're under a different, um, criteria, so to speak,

01:17:24.100 because you have a prior, you know, conviction on these issues.

01:17:26.820 There's, you have even less freedom of speech already because of that.

01:17:30.940 Well, it could be that I have it, have it even less, but I'm confident that I'm not

01:17:35.820 going to break those laws again.

01:17:38.200 I mean, it's only through naivety, I guess, why, why I did in the first place and, and

01:17:42.880 not enough knowledge of the subject matter of what I was, what I was talking about.

01:17:47.540 I mean, I sort of only came to the nationalist understanding of things probably a couple of

01:17:51.860 years before you yourself.

01:17:52.940 yourself and, um, yeah, and then I was straight into working at the Daily Stormer and, and

01:17:58.800 having to keep to American speech laws, which is so very, very different to British ones.

01:18:03.540 Yeah.

01:18:03.720 So that's, that's what I was used to doing.

01:18:05.680 That was the editorial policy that, um, I was working with.

01:18:09.740 And then when I started doing it myself, I just stuck with that same editorial policy,

01:18:15.220 but it gradually evolved in the, in the opposite direction of doing that.

01:18:19.040 Um, and then since, since the arrest, I, I don't think any of my content has breached that

01:18:28.160 line.

01:18:28.660 In fact, they only even said that in court, the, um, they were asked in court, the detective

01:18:33.380 inspector was asked how long they monitored, um, radio area or radio Albion for.

01:18:39.180 And they monitored it from, I think 2017, all the way up to 2021.

01:18:47.120 And they said, well, why did you stop monitoring it in 2021?

01:18:50.960 And they said, well, because by that time it had become obvious that there was no more

01:18:55.520 offending on there.

01:18:56.600 And the last charge that they charged me for was back at the beginning of 2019.

01:19:03.200 So in 2019, it had all, the content had already changed.

01:19:07.720 They monitored all of that content from 2019 up till 2021.

01:19:11.520 And they found no other podcasts that they could bring charges against me for.

01:19:16.240 So it was already going in that other direction.

01:19:18.580 I'd already formulated a way of, um, hopefully making sure that I don't, you know, go over

01:19:25.040 that line anymore.

01:19:26.060 And then they, they knew the probation knew that I would be going back to radio Albion.

01:19:31.620 I'd be going back to podcasting.

01:19:33.280 So part of the, um, I suppose the rehabilitation is to make sure that I don't express myself

01:19:40.680 in ways that are going to land me back in jail again.

01:19:44.140 How much did they, did they talk you through this?

01:19:48.940 Were you given documents?

01:19:50.300 Like you can't, what you, what you can or can't say, or how, how did that work?

01:19:54.400 How did they explain this to you of what, what's okay?

01:19:57.140 That would be really helpful, man.

01:19:59.920 I really thought it'd be really helpful.

01:20:01.200 Then I'll do that, I know.

01:20:02.040 YouTube and stuff like that.

01:20:03.480 If they just gave a document and said, look, this is the sort of stuff you really shouldn't

01:20:07.700 say.

01:20:08.140 If you want to talk about these subjects, use this, talk about it in this way.

01:20:12.480 Now, I didn't get any documents like that, but they did have, um, this chap that would

01:20:17.560 come and speak to me once a week.

01:20:19.180 And he used to work for Prevent and Prevent have got a really bad name.

01:20:24.460 They just seem to go after supposed right-wing extremists or that are basically supporters

01:20:29.840 of reform, children that support reform, things like that.

01:20:33.340 And then they let slip through their hands, people like the Southport killer and pretty

01:20:37.520 much most of the, um, Muslim terrorists that we've had in Britain have been on British watch

01:20:43.420 lists, but nothing's been done about it.

01:20:45.040 So Prevent don't really have a very good name.

01:20:46.580 And there's also another organization, and I think they're called, um, Desist and Disengage,

01:20:53.680 D-I-D-E-E, something like that anyway.

01:20:56.940 And they are sort of above Prevent.

01:20:59.600 They're another organization similar to Prevent.

01:21:02.180 And the government itself contracts them to deal with, um, people that are on extremism

01:21:10.180 related offenses.

01:21:12.120 So they have this, this group basically.

01:21:15.240 And the chap that would come to see me, he was very knowledgeable and I, I really enjoyed

01:21:19.580 my conversations with him because I could have an, an intelligent conversation with

01:21:23.440 him once a week, quite an intellectual conversation talking about geopolitics.

01:21:28.520 Um, and he, when he came in, when he first saw me, he said, what we're going to do is we'll

01:21:33.420 go through some of the content on your website and we'll look up source material and I'll show

01:21:39.140 you some source material.

01:21:40.820 You can tell me your source material and we'll just to check that you're, you know, you're,

01:21:47.040 you've got a good critical eye for understanding what's factual and what isn't and spotting what,

01:21:52.860 you know, what's fake and what isn't that sort of thing.

01:21:55.960 But it, it, it soon changed rather from sort of looking at the stuff on my website to see

01:22:00.760 this because I accepted that I've been found guilty for the 10 podcasts and that was language

01:22:05.840 I shouldn't have been using.

01:22:07.060 So then it was, um, we'll, we'll talk about whatever's been on the news this week that

01:22:11.840 would be of interest to nationalists.

01:22:13.440 And he was usually be quite spot on.

01:22:16.120 There was a lot of stuff to do with Ukraine, um, things to do with the riots after Southport,

01:22:22.820 stuff to do with Israel, October the 7th.

01:22:26.720 And he would say, well, what are your views on this?

01:22:28.660 And I would explain my views.

01:22:31.000 And he, I mean, he said quite a few times, you haven't even come close to explaining your

01:22:35.800 views in a way that breaches that line, which is what matters.

01:22:39.040 It's not the views themselves.

01:22:40.320 It's the way that you express those views that, that matters.

01:22:43.440 Because your beliefs are protected in law, under human rights law, you, you have, your

01:22:47.200 beliefs are protected.

01:22:48.400 But if you express those beliefs in a manner which incites hate, then in Britain that's,

01:22:52.800 that's against law.

01:22:53.840 So it's all about the way you express it.

01:22:55.560 So we would talk about things and I would say my position on these, these topics.

01:23:00.080 And he might disagree with my position or he might, um, say, have you, have you had,

01:23:05.960 have you heard about this report?

01:23:07.160 Have you heard what was said here?

01:23:09.380 Did you hear what Israel said about, you know, this side of the story?

01:23:12.660 You know, he was quite, quite, not all the time, but, you know, he's quite keen to sort

01:23:17.600 of show Israel's side of the story.

01:23:19.420 But I, my, my point of view was always, well, Israel has an ethnostate. 0.88

01:23:23.140 I'm not against ethnostates. 0.67

01:23:24.440 I want everyone to have an ethnostate. 0.98

01:23:26.480 You know, I'm nationalist.

01:23:27.580 So the problem there is the disagreements that they have with the Palestinians, but essentially

01:23:33.700 having your own ethnostate and defending it tooth and nail against anything that you perceive

01:23:40.020 to be a threat is, you know, it's, it's the correct way to be.

01:23:44.020 The problem is that they're on somebody else's land and we gave them that land.

01:23:49.340 So that's the issue.

01:23:50.660 So, you know, I didn't really have any fallings out with him over that.

01:23:55.780 It was, you know, it's, uh, it's just a great shame what's happened to the Palestinians. 1.00

01:24:00.340 Right.

01:24:00.620 But Israel, Israel, Israel perceives it as they're defending themselves against terrorists, even

01:24:06.140 though you can say, well, the Palestinians are throwing a spear and the, you know, the 0.74

01:24:10.040 Israelis have got tanks.

01:24:11.720 Palestinians are still throwing spears.

01:24:13.300 So then they're going to keep doing it until, until that threat is gone, basically.

01:24:18.420 And, um, you know, that, that's really how a state should be about it, about its citizens.

01:24:25.400 It's an ethnostate. 0.79

01:24:26.760 It should defend them.

01:24:27.660 Our, our state in Britain should be going absolutely wild about these grooming gangs.

01:24:31.700 They should have all been expelled. 0.99

01:24:33.660 Like they should have been hanged. 1.00

01:24:35.680 I mean, they should have gone wild about it. 1.00

01:24:38.240 Your own children, the equivalent of your own children that have been groomed and raped. 0.98

01:24:42.140 You know, they, the way the Israelis behave about things that the Palestinians do is the 1.00

01:24:47.980 way that countries should protect their citizens is what I'm trying to say.

01:24:52.260 And particularly when you've got horrendous things like, um, the grooming gangs, and I'm

01:24:56.280 not saying people should take the law into their own hands, but the state itself is, is

01:25:00.620 formed for the citizens benefit.

01:25:03.440 The citizens aren't there for the state's benefit.

01:25:06.000 It's, it's, you know, it's, it's the other way around.

01:25:08.500 And he would talk about a lot of topics and, and I, I think he was quite surprised at some

01:25:12.780 of my views that they were different to what he thought like.

01:25:17.060 You can always say, they never fully understand that they can't, you know, they don't understand

01:25:22.780 that you can be nuanced or whatever.

01:25:24.800 Do you see this like, you know, kind of a monster that just hates people for no reason or some 1.00

01:25:29.360 shit. 0.98

01:25:29.540 But anyway, yeah, it's quite interesting. 0.99

01:25:31.380 But yeah, I mean, um, yeah, we need to have, uh, our nations have been just totally hollowed

01:25:38.160 out.

01:25:38.380 Right.

01:25:38.620 And there's like, no, what, what is it, what is it even for?

01:25:41.940 You know, like what, it's just, it's a framework and maybe paper or passports, right?

01:25:47.780 Citizenship or, you know, things like this, but it's like, but who is, but who is meant

01:25:51.600 to, you know, occupy the space of, of, of our Western countries anymore.

01:25:55.540 And if you don't stand up for the people that make up that country, what, what is it?

01:25:59.840 It's just a corporate entity, essentially.

01:26:02.760 It's a, it's a, yeah, a legal, it's papers, a legal framework.

01:26:06.700 I was looking at one thing.

01:26:07.700 I'm going to run this through you.

01:26:08.920 And of course, again, not a surprise, but it's just an interesting note in all of this

01:26:13.260 that there is an expectation.

01:26:15.500 I think in most countries, I don't think that I'm not sure.

01:26:17.980 Maybe there are some countries that actually, for example, in school, then let's say go

01:26:24.600 through, and then there's a small, maybe a small level of that, certain laws, obviously.

01:26:31.060 I'm not even talking criminal now.

01:26:32.740 That goes into moral, but still, it's kind of an interesting, you know, thought experiments

01:26:36.580 to like, there is an expectation to know and obey the law in, in the UK, in this case here,

01:26:43.900 right?

01:26:44.500 Ignorance of the law is no excuse, meaning you can't escape liability by claiming you didn't

01:26:49.420 know a law existed.

01:26:50.480 Though there can be nuanced for genuine new laws or reasonable excuses for failing to

01:26:55.920 meet an obligation, the law applies equally to everyone.

01:26:59.380 Well, not quite, as we've seen.

01:27:00.820 Covering daily life from housing to employment, understanding your rights and responsibilities

01:27:04.360 is crucial.

01:27:05.580 But there's no, there's like civics.

01:27:09.500 Again, how do we run society?

01:27:11.400 How are you expecting people to behave if they don't get a chance to fully actually understand

01:27:16.500 this?

01:27:17.420 And I'm not sure how, you know, how big the law book in the UK is.

01:27:23.040 I would imagine it's quite extensive.

01:27:25.560 And sure, you know, you don't have to go through corporate law or tax law or things like this.

01:27:31.660 There's things you could exclude.

01:27:33.820 But reasonably, at some point, excuse me, as a citizen, you would kind of be expected

01:27:38.300 then to like, okay, now you need to kind of like, I guess, prove that you know the law.

01:27:44.840 It's very, isn't it strange that it's run this way, that there's no opportunity throughout

01:27:51.240 more than like, okay, I guess on your spare, you're supposed to just sit and read the law

01:27:55.820 book, I guess, before you're 18 so that you know what you can and can't do.

01:27:59.960 But there's nothing in the schooling system that really kind of run you through even like

01:28:03.920 the basics to a certain extent.

01:28:05.620 I mean, there's some classes here and there, but very casually.

01:28:08.560 But I don't know.

01:28:09.260 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:28:09.920 Like my point, it's like, isn't this kind of bizarre?

01:28:13.280 Well, it used to be very simple.

01:28:15.560 You know, you had a Christian country and you had the Christian morals, Old Testament as

01:28:22.300 well as New Testament.

01:28:23.140 And that's what people obeyed.

01:28:25.160 And that's what people taught.

01:28:26.680 And you didn't need to have many law books.

01:28:30.480 Everybody just knew that's the way that you're supposed to behave.

01:28:33.580 And then you end up, I guess, with the enlightenment and humanism and, well, we can make our own

01:28:39.080 laws and we know better than traditional morality.

01:28:42.240 And we start changing things.

01:28:43.880 And before you know it, you end up with like hundreds of thousands of different statutes that

01:28:48.640 have all been put in place by a government that you couldn't possibly know all of these laws

01:28:54.460 anymore.

01:28:56.300 And you end up saying, well, where's where is the guidebook?

01:28:59.420 Well, originally we had a guidebook, but we decided that we knew better than the guidebook.

01:29:04.000 If you look in Bible, you've got no usury.

01:29:07.140 So the whole that's the whole banking system.

01:29:08.940 That's out the window.

01:29:10.620 You've got no homosexuality or if you did have homosexuality, it wasn't public because if

01:29:17.220 there was a witness to it, then it was a serious, serious crime.

01:29:22.060 So you had very, very hard to get divorced.

01:29:25.480 So children were brought up with families.

01:29:27.240 You had no feminism. 1.00

01:29:28.640 You had no trannies. 1.00

01:29:31.040 You had strict nations.

01:29:35.160 You're not allowed to allow your daughter to marry the daughter of a strange god.

01:29:39.740 Very, very strict on interracial stuff. 0.97

01:29:44.260 All you've got to do is look back at what America was like 100 years ago, 150 years ago

01:29:49.340 when it was a very religious country.

01:29:51.300 So all of these laws that we now look at and say, oh, well, they're terrible.

01:29:55.160 We know much better than that now.

01:29:56.840 We're progressive.

01:29:57.600 We're enlightened.

01:29:58.160 And it all used to be very, very simple.

01:30:01.380 And they're all things that we know really in our heart of hearts that they're wrong.

01:30:05.780 Things like abortion as well.

01:30:07.620 And you can list all of these things off.

01:30:09.280 And the church is co-opted just as much as the governments are co-opted, just as much

01:30:14.560 as the media is.

01:30:15.780 All of our institutions are corrupted.

01:30:18.620 And, you know, you may think differently.

01:30:21.800 But I think that that can be traced back to overturning our traditions, overturning our

01:30:27.800 religious traditions.

01:30:29.360 And then you end up with the situation that you're in today.

01:30:32.260 If you think about it, all of the whole system of government, it all rests upon oaths.

01:30:38.460 People used to take an oath, you know, so help me God, I swear to do this.

01:30:43.400 And they believed in God.

01:30:45.100 So you didn't need to have closed circuit television cameras watching everyone.

01:30:50.580 They didn't need to be spying on everybody's social.

01:30:53.220 None of that, because everybody had the fear of God into them.

01:30:56.000 It was instilled on them from a young age, like the fear of God.

01:30:59.160 So all you needed to do was have somebody take an oath, and they wouldn't break that oath.

01:31:05.260 And, you know, now we have the promotion of atheism.

01:31:08.880 And it used to be referred to as atheistic communism.

01:31:11.700 So you take the fear of God out of everyone.

01:31:15.100 And then you do have to have cameras everywhere, because people don't think they're going

01:31:20.420 to be judged for what they do.

01:31:22.800 I mean, maybe it's a simplistic view.

01:31:25.400 No, but also, of course, you know, moral code kind of naturally exists within an ethnically

01:31:30.960 homogenous population.

01:31:32.580 Otherwise, it wouldn't be ethnically homogenous.

01:31:34.140 And it wouldn't be a high-trust society.

01:31:35.800 I'm not sure if there's any white countries that ever was, you know, very, that wasn't 0.94

01:31:41.380 ethnically homogenous, that it wasn't at least at that one point high trust, right?

01:31:46.640 That you just kind of knew if it's a tribal beginning of a nation state, the moral code

01:31:54.360 is weaved into the overall behavior of the tribe.

01:31:56.740 Because if you didn't adhere to that, you were literally outcast, or you were, you know,

01:32:01.900 you did crime then or something, and then you were killed.

01:32:05.460 It was capital punishment for those types of crimes.

01:32:07.900 So it was like a natural selection process over time.

01:32:10.640 In other words, what's good for you is good for the group.

01:32:13.520 What's good for the group is good for you, right?

01:32:15.820 There's a codependency in terms of survival, not competition for resources, but cooperation,

01:32:22.300 right?

01:32:22.480 To achieve more and do it better and stuff like that.

01:32:24.440 So it was like, it's when you get into the modern era, not only global, it's happened

01:32:28.940 way before globalization, but part of that, right?

01:32:32.280 Everything just kind of opens up more.

01:32:35.080 And when then finally the mass importation of people happen, you lose that completely.

01:32:40.880 Any type of moral code that exists innately in, you know, natively in the population.

01:32:46.980 That's why I think in some countries, you didn't even have to write up the code.

01:32:51.240 Look at like old Germanic society, you had the nine noble virtues.

01:32:53.900 It wasn't like written up on a rune stone or anything like that.

01:32:56.440 People just knew how to behave because if you didn't, you were out.

01:33:01.760 And that meant death.

01:33:03.460 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:33:03.860 It was like a self-correcting mechanism within.

01:33:06.960 And sure, again, racial differences there, right?

01:33:09.080 We had selection pressure for preparation for our long winter in the Northern Hemisphere,

01:33:12.840 for example.

01:33:13.680 So you had to have a certain genetic propensity to plan ahead, to think ahead, to cooperate

01:33:19.300 and stuff like that.

01:33:20.440 So when you bring in people from, you know, sub-Saharan Africa or wildly different places,

01:33:24.580 you literally get a, you know, totally different mentality mixed with this high, you know,

01:33:30.520 kind of a high trust plan ahead type of mentality.

01:33:33.120 And it's just massive clash and none of it works and everything breaks down.

01:33:37.860 Hence the results that we have in front of us right now, you know?

01:33:41.040 I think there are people that have different moral systems and people that aren't able

01:33:49.560 to think in the same way that Europeans think. 0.61

01:33:52.680 They don't think in the same way that we do.

01:33:54.940 Why would we assume that they do think in the same way that we do when they don't develop

01:34:00.260 the sort of systems that we develop, like mathematics and science and all these other

01:34:05.720 things that have come from the European mind or the Western mind?

01:34:09.120 And then you have people that never developed any of that.

01:34:12.120 And we just assume that they're just as trying to process all of us.

01:34:16.560 And then when they're not capable of processing it all and all sorts of difficulties, they

01:34:24.040 have all sorts of difficulties integrating with it.

01:34:26.960 We then tell them that it's our fault that they're having these problems.

01:34:30.920 I mean, it is our fault.

01:34:32.000 We've invited them into our country, but it's not our fault the way that they are, that they

01:34:36.100 don't understand these things because that is just the way that they are.

01:34:39.420 Then I don't think they were ever intended to function in the sort of systems that we

01:34:44.340 have because they didn't develop them themselves.

01:34:47.620 No, in fact, I think they're maladapted to it to such a degree that they probably become

01:34:53.060 antisocial, meaning they are more prone to criminality if they feel completely out of

01:34:58.980 place.

01:34:59.460 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:34:59.900 It's almost that our environment for many of them, not all, but like, you know, vast

01:35:04.720 majority perhaps, there is a propensity to be drawn to antisocial slash criminal behavior

01:35:14.460 because you're very, you know that you're out of place, if that makes sense.

01:35:20.000 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:35:20.400 You already feel like an outcast and you don't even have a desire to try to fit in with the

01:35:25.300 system.

01:35:25.620 Hence, we're seeing all this stuff with like a large swath of them that coming into our 1.00

01:35:29.980 countries, engage in, you know, black market criminal behavior, it's drug dealing, it's

01:35:34.980 grooming gangs type of stuff, right?

01:35:36.660 It's like they just basically create a subset, even economic system that they operate on inside

01:35:43.440 of our countries.

01:35:44.320 It's just, it's just, again, that's why re-migration is the only solution to this.

01:35:48.380 If there's any genuine desire to restore order and to restore our societies again, this is

01:35:56.540 going to be impossible to do with all these different ethnic groups. 1.00

01:35:59.320 And we're learning that, we're learning that both the hard way, obviously, and we're learning

01:36:04.680 it the slow way as well.

01:36:06.380 But I don't know, what's your sense of things?

01:36:09.320 I mean, since you started talking about these things and, you know, publicly then more in

01:36:14.440 2016, 17, 18, that time and a little bit before that.

01:36:18.060 But do you feel that the kind of the overall mentality of the British people is changing?

01:36:25.240 Are you positively inclined in terms of how you see things change?

01:36:28.000 You might not look at it when you look at it from the point of view of the legal system

01:36:30.680 and the politicians, the enforcement of these things.

01:36:33.120 But it's clear to me that those are totally mismatched, right?

01:36:37.300 You have an elitist establishment that are totally disconnected from the main sentiments

01:36:45.000 of the population and the population is siding more with us as every day goes by, it seems

01:36:49.320 like.

01:36:49.640 What do you think, Sven?

01:36:51.420 Yes, definitely.

01:36:52.680 I mean, even in our opponents, they use terms like ZOG, Zionist occupied government.

01:36:59.160 And you would never hear the left using terms like that five years ago.

01:37:03.520 And you've got a big racial awakening, basically.

01:37:08.820 People have had it forced down their throats so much that they're really starting to wake

01:37:14.140 up.

01:37:14.440 I mean, you would think that if you're used to having an ethnic population and you start 1.00

01:37:19.840 importing people into that population that are very, very different from that original 0.98

01:37:24.320 population, that it should increase the in-group preference among the original group that is

01:37:32.060 sort of being adulterated with this other group, it should increase their in-group preference.

01:37:37.100 And I think we're really starting to see that now, that the more multiculturalism there

01:37:42.080 is, the more in-group preference there will be amongst the original group.

01:37:47.040 And I think we're seeing the response to this as well.

01:37:51.400 If you look at, say, like Christmas adverts, they've really dialed back the anti-whiteness

01:37:56.860 in the Christmas adverts than from a couple of years back.

01:38:00.420 Because there are people talking about the fact that there are so many more black people

01:38:06.380 in the adverts than there are actually in the population.

01:38:09.440 Now, I think they make up something like 5% of the population, but 56% of the television

01:38:14.480 adverts.

01:38:15.000 You know, it's that extreme and there's a big pushback against that.

01:38:19.320 And you've got more and more people talking about this.

01:38:22.880 And you can say, well, there are gatekeepers and there are civic nationalists, but I think

01:38:28.580 civic nationalists are better than no nationalists.

01:38:31.700 You know, at least we have Reform UK who look like they're going to be bigger than the Labour

01:38:37.060 Party.

01:38:37.480 It looks like they're actually going to get into office and they do talk about these issues.

01:38:41.980 They even talk about the voluntary repatriation that Patriotic Alternatives talk about.

01:38:50.360 One of Patriotic Alternatives' policies was to offer rewards for volunteers to go back

01:38:57.900 to their ancestral homelands.

01:38:59.340 And now you've got the government itself offers £3,000.

01:39:03.840 I think Patriotic Alternative was saying it should be £15,000.

01:39:07.620 And I heard on GB News the other week, I'm not sure if it was the Conservatives or Reform

01:39:12.100 were talking about it should be £30,000.

01:39:14.480 So you've actually now got mainstream parties that are advocating for policies of Patriotic

01:39:21.640 Alternative.

01:39:22.500 And Patriotic Alternative were being accused of ethnic cleansing for suggesting these policies.

01:39:28.200 Isn't that interesting?

01:39:28.940 So they were ahead of the curve now, 10 years later or so, they're catching up.

01:39:32.920 But the same kind of restrictions still apply to us, although we're a smaller voice than the

01:39:38.900 people now kind of talking about it in the mainstream sphere.

01:39:42.120 It's a very interesting, weird kind of dynamic where they're fighting us all the way as

01:39:48.180 they kind of adopt our positions and realize that this is the inevitable trajectory of it.

01:39:53.120 I mean, again, I don't care how it happens.

01:39:56.060 I mean, obviously, I wish well for the success of Patriotic Alternative.

01:39:59.860 But ultimately, it's not about Patriotic Alternative in the same way that it's not about Red

01:40:04.540 Eyes or Radio Albion.

01:40:05.880 This is about, you know, helping, saving our people, returning, you know, clawing back control

01:40:11.620 of our countries again and preventing our inevitable extinction if these trends continue.

01:40:17.880 So however this happens, I don't care as long as it does happen.

01:40:21.720 So it's not about that.

01:40:22.660 But it's just, you know, kind of on a personal note, it's interesting to see that it's like

01:40:26.080 far kind of bigger, more mainstream voices are like fine talking even about in some regards,

01:40:33.280 they even talk about like Israeli involvement now or like, you know, over-representation

01:40:36.980 of Jews in certain areas or something like that.

01:40:39.760 But they still have their bank accounts.

01:40:41.420 They still have their YouTube accounts.

01:40:43.040 They're totally fine.

01:40:44.240 But we're still under like restrictions from like 10 years ago or say, you know, five,

01:40:49.540 six years ago, essentially.

01:40:50.860 It's kind of an odd situation, right?

01:40:53.680 There is still like a two-tier probation system for ethno-nationalists and civic nationalists.

01:41:00.660 If you look at Lucy Connolly, she got the same prison sentence as me for the exact same 1.00

01:41:06.920 offence as me.

01:41:09.480 And when I was released from prison, I wasn't allowed to go and speak at the Patriotic Alternative

01:41:14.700 Conference.

01:41:15.260 I wasn't even allowed to go.

01:41:16.740 I was told that if I wanted to go next year, they might let me go if I had shown that I had

01:41:21.800 obeyed all my license restrictions.

01:41:24.020 And I obeyed all my license restrictions.

01:41:25.720 And a year later, I applied to go to the Patriotic Alternative Conference.

01:41:28.840 And they wouldn't let me go.

01:41:30.340 They still wouldn't let me go.

01:41:31.680 It was only three weeks to the end of my license.

01:41:34.020 And you've got Lucy Connolly, who is released.

01:41:37.220 And within that week, she's giving television interviews.

01:41:39.940 And she's speaking at the Reform UK conference.

01:41:43.340 She's the keynote speaker.

01:41:44.780 And giving all these interviews.

01:41:46.220 And I was banned from giving any interviews.

01:41:49.260 And she says, oh, I'm not allowed to meet more than 50 people without telling probation.

01:41:53.820 Well, I wasn't allowed to meet more than one person without asking permission.

01:41:58.820 So there's still this two-tier justice in between civic nationalists.

01:42:03.920 Which is weird, though, because she got, and I'm not putting any valuation of this on there.

01:42:12.700 It's just the fact that she obviously got way more exposure over this than you did.

01:42:16.700 That's the reality of it.

01:42:17.640 So you'd think that she would be more dangerous, right?

01:42:21.380 Because she would reach more people.

01:42:23.260 She could say things that convinces more people of the things that she said, technically, right?

01:42:27.900 And you're not as, you know, didn't get as much attention as she did.

01:42:31.960 So it's like a reversal of those positions.

01:42:34.180 That it's almost like, here's someone we just simply do not want to speak at all on some of these issues.

01:42:39.480 Just because they are who they are.

01:42:41.000 Or they've said, at least in the past, the things that they've said.

01:42:43.720 But here's a woman who, in some regards, maybe obviously line up with some of the views that we and you have, I would assume.

01:42:52.940 But still, like, okay.

01:42:54.240 But she's fine.

01:42:55.120 You can listen to her.

01:42:56.200 She's okay.

01:42:57.600 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:42:58.360 It's bizarre.

01:43:00.560 It is.

01:43:01.000 When you think it was exactly the same, you know, exactly the same offense.

01:43:05.840 There was something else I was going to bring up then.

01:43:08.060 But it's just slipped my mind.

01:43:11.100 But I think, yeah, that was it.

01:43:13.840 She also maintained her innocence the whole time she was in prison.

01:43:17.340 And normally, if you're found guilty of something and you maintain your innocence in prison, they can keep you in there until you admit that you're guilty.

01:43:25.960 There was a fellow that was in there for years, decades, and he was innocent of rape charges.

01:43:31.940 And eventually, he was found innocent.

01:43:34.200 And he'd been in there for years as a guilty rapist.

01:43:37.600 And he had been in there for so long because he had refused to accept his guilt.

01:43:41.480 So instead of going on, because for them to release you, they have to say, well, you're no more of a risk.

01:43:46.040 And in order for them to lower the risk, they will say, well, you have to go on a course.

01:43:50.400 And when you go on the course, you have to admit that you're guilty.

01:43:54.060 And if you're a rapist, you'd be on a course with all these other rapists. 0.97

01:43:57.640 And if you're a murderer, you'll be on a course with all these other murderers.

01:44:00.000 So they say they maintain their innocence, they don't do the course, and then they're stuck in prison for the whole sentence.

01:44:05.860 Instead of being let out after 15 years, they'll be there for 30 years.

01:44:09.620 And Lucy Connolly maintained her innocence the whole time, even though she'd been found guilty, even though she had pled guilty.

01:44:15.900 The whole time she was in prison, she was saying, you know, she's not guilty.

01:44:19.460 And yet then they still let her out halfway through and let her go and speak at conferences.

01:44:27.340 So that, you know, that's another side to it, which changed the whole ruling of the prison system, which is you have to admit you're guilty.

01:44:34.600 And she didn't do that, which I, you know, that's another thing that I find interesting about that.

01:44:40.860 When they found me guilty, I did accept, OK, I'm guilty.

01:44:43.800 You decided it.

01:44:44.980 You decided it was insulting.

01:44:46.660 I can't argue against that.

01:44:48.060 Do you still or do you think that it's simply down to the fact that because, you know, yes, she's a woman, obviously, and that's part of why she got more attention.

01:45:01.240 Let's let's be honest.

01:45:02.060 Right.

01:45:02.220 That's kind of how these things work.

01:45:04.820 You don't have to like it, but that's just what it is.

01:45:07.000 She got this attention.

01:45:09.060 In other words, it's a bad look.

01:45:11.200 Right.

01:45:11.560 Kind of by the state.

01:45:12.740 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:45:13.640 It's undermining their credibility.

01:45:15.800 And they have to almost like I mean, sure, they already lost some of that by just keeping her in there.

01:45:20.900 She was was she was dragged up or pushed downstairs in the prison like they treated her awfully, allegedly in there as well.

01:45:27.900 But regardless, this is kind of a bad look.

01:45:30.680 And so finally, it was like this.

01:45:31.780 OK, hands off.

01:45:32.580 Like just what I'm saying is that's why it's power powers in numbers.

01:45:36.760 Right.

01:45:37.120 If you have enough pressure and attention around something, all of a sudden, legally, even you you're in a different category.

01:45:44.420 That seems to how it's with all the objectivity and unbiased this and that within the legal system is still humans along the way doing this or enforcing these laws or restrictions or whatever it is.

01:45:56.580 And if you have a lot of attention and people around you supporting your cause, you're going to get off easier.

01:46:01.040 Chances are.

01:46:01.820 Right.

01:46:01.920 Yeah, maybe you're right there, but perhaps they are trying to make up for the for the bad treatment of her being in jail because public opinion was that this woman should be out with a with a child or a children.

01:46:13.640 She shouldn't be locked up in jail.

01:46:15.640 So maybe they are trying to make up for that.

01:46:17.440 Maybe they're also trying to say, look, if you support civic nationalist issues, you'll be rewarded to allow you to go out and see people.

01:46:26.400 If you stick to your ethno nationalist views, then that's going to up your risk rating because we're going to think that it's a higher risk that you might use in insulting, abusive or threatening language.

01:46:38.400 I mean, that that may be a part of it.

01:46:40.100 And they're trying to show that you'll be rewarded if you actually go go against these views that you had.

01:46:46.080 But that, you know, that wouldn't that would mean losing all integrity with the site, the prison psychologist, criminal psychologist.

01:46:57.620 She assessed me and she said.

01:47:01.060 Your your your views are extreme, but you're not an extremist, she said, and I've assessed that you don't have character defects, she says, I think you might be neurodivergent.

01:47:12.100 So they had to come up with one reason why my behavior, why there was this aberration of why I'm against immigration.

01:47:19.740 But I was quite pleased.

01:47:20.560 She said, I don't have character defects.

01:47:22.900 That sort of left said that, oh, you must have been neurodivergent and instead there must be a reason why.

01:47:30.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:47:32.840 With all the liberal stuff. 0.97

01:47:34.300 Yeah, yeah, technically, you could just come up with something like that that kind of uses the vernacular of like some shit, new thing that they come up with. 0.96

01:47:42.240 Well, I'm just very, you know, yeah, I'm neurodivergent or something. 0.87

01:47:45.920 Have more understanding.

01:47:47.020 Forgive me, please, you know, educate me, not let me out.

01:47:50.620 Did that happen?

01:47:51.280 No, because there's some crimes you absolutely, you know, can't be, which includes taking your own side as your own people and thinking that something is wrong with the trajectory of our countries.

01:48:00.660 It's absolutely crazy.

01:48:03.420 Okay, very good.

01:48:05.040 Anything else here you feel we're leaving at or do you think that's important to mention about your case or maybe other related things in terms of, you know, the UK or where things are going?

01:48:15.680 Maybe the bigger picture or something like that.

01:48:18.180 Anything else on your mind?

01:48:20.640 Well, I do feel very positive.

01:48:21.700 I think, you know, starting with my case, that drew attention to this issue.

01:48:26.880 And then you had Sam Melia's case, which blew up everywhere.

01:48:30.660 And then you had the Southport protests and riots and the extreme prosecutions that then took place.

01:48:39.460 And it was I think it was very plain for everybody to see that the government were having a direct influence on the judiciary by saying that the judges need to come down really very heavily on these protesters.

01:48:54.660 And then we've seen these extreme prison sentences.

01:48:59.120 And I think that that's drawing attention to this issue.

01:49:02.340 You've then got this Online Safety Act, which they're trying to use against X and Twitter and against social media companies, not to get rid of material that's illegal.

01:49:13.540 But if the government decides that it's legal but harmful, i.e. is completely legal, doesn't break the law, doesn't incite hate, but they decide it's harmful in some way, which could mean statistics.

01:49:26.200 They could think it's harmful to hear, say, for instance, the rape gang statistics on the on the demographic makeup, the ethnic makeup of that.

01:49:34.080 They might say, well, we think that that's harmful for people to hear because it could stir up violence.

01:49:39.380 So we want these companies to take down any mention of those statistics, which is really serious censorship.

01:49:47.460 And I think that the you know, that the attention, the public's attention has been drawn to this.

01:49:53.440 And then at the same time, you've got this BBC editing of Donald Trump's speech, which, again, everybody has seen.

01:50:01.860 They've seen the fact that he's his speech.

01:50:05.020 He said something completely the opposite.

01:50:06.720 And yet the BBC have doctored this speech and got him to say the complete opposite, that he was inciting violence.

01:50:13.900 And he's suing the BBC for it was a 10 billion.

01:50:16.620 And over here, they're saying, oh, yes, well, but Florida law won't work in Britain.

01:50:24.060 And I'm thinking, yeah, well, you're expecting British law to work in America over Twitter, aren't you?

01:50:29.140 Yeah, yeah, they are.

01:50:30.380 With the Online Safety Act.

01:50:32.020 And I'm thinking that this could possibly be payback for the Online Safety Act.

01:50:36.100 You want to you want to hit our American companies for laws which only exist in your country.

01:50:42.620 Well, I'm going to hit you with a huge, huge, huge compensation for laws which exist in my country, but don't exist in yours, if you see what I mean.

01:50:54.420 The problem with this, though, is that the money for the BBC comes from the British people.

01:50:58.580 So this would be out of their pockets.

01:50:59.820 Yeah, there'll be uproar.

01:51:00.920 There'll be uproar.

01:51:01.920 Yeah.

01:51:02.380 There'll be absolute uproar.

01:51:03.720 It could bring the BBC down.

01:51:05.520 But if you can't, you can't say, well, it's all right for me to do, but it's not all right for you to do.

01:51:10.200 Yeah.

01:51:10.480 If it's all right for the Online Safety Act to do that, then surely it's from Britain to America.

01:51:15.240 Surely it's okay for America to do it back to Britain. 0.93

01:51:17.400 Of course.

01:51:18.100 You know, you can't have this.

01:51:20.480 America should be obeying American laws.

01:51:23.580 And I'm pleased that Trump talks about these issues, but I wish he would actually do some sanctioning on countries for not having free speech.

01:51:30.860 Well, I mean, look, he's even made comments about how, like, immigration is leading to the civilizational ruin of Europe.

01:51:36.460 And so, I mean, just in the last couple of weeks here, again, great rhetoric.

01:51:40.100 I'm glad to hear this discussed in the halls of power.

01:51:43.180 There's pressure internationally kind of put on European leaders.

01:51:47.300 Like, this is a humiliating factor, like, with the demographics and the invasion and the migrant crime and everything else in our countries. 1.00

01:51:55.080 So that's great that that's happening.

01:51:56.560 But you're correct.

01:51:57.320 There is literally just direct pressure that could be had on Europe, like, you know, defense, cooperate, call it what you want.

01:52:05.780 Like, you're an unreliable partner, essentially.

01:52:08.240 Like, it's a danger now.

01:52:09.720 There's terrorist groups active in your countries.

01:52:12.820 You're not dealing with this issue, blah, blah, blah.

01:52:15.240 We'll see.

01:52:15.800 Hopefully it moves from—I don't have a lot of, you know, hope for Trump, obviously.

01:52:19.000 But hopefully it moves from words and rhetoric to actual direct action.

01:52:26.180 And hopefully it's just a little period of, like, putting verbal pressure on countries and making it known, right?

01:52:30.840 Because you would never hear this from leaders 10 years ago at this type of level.

01:52:34.660 It was just like multiculturalism is the way.

01:52:37.040 This is what we're doing.

01:52:39.680 What was it?

01:52:40.540 I guess Merkel said, like, it had failed or something like that.

01:52:43.980 But the point is, it continued after that point.

01:52:46.060 And she said it, multiculturalism has failed.

01:52:49.260 It's a failed experiment.

01:52:50.720 But then yet Germany continued, right, with both her and preceding leadership. 0.82

01:52:55.780 But it's a change in tone.

01:52:57.620 That's my point.

01:52:58.100 It's definitely a change in tone.

01:52:59.800 And things which we would never kind of perceive or felt hopeless at the time that this would ever be normalized have become normalized, Sven.

01:53:09.340 Yeah, I think back to J.D. Vance's speech at the National Security Conference that left NATO in tears when he said the real threat in Europe is the censorship laws over the freedom of speech.

01:53:24.540 It's the mass immigration. 0.59

01:53:26.860 It's using the law against your political opponents.

01:53:30.960 These are all the things that are a threat to Britain.

01:53:32.920 And they were literally in tears, NATO were at that.

01:53:36.380 They're expecting there to be this big talk about the big threat of Ukraine.

01:53:40.560 And instead, he's saying, well, the real threat comes from within.

01:53:43.220 It's censorship.

01:53:44.780 And OK, maybe they haven't really pushed into it yet, put sanctions on people.

01:53:50.400 But just the very fact that they said it was really, really uplifting for me.

01:53:54.340 And again, just recently, the things that the State Department have been saying about mass immigration being a threat to Western civilization and all of this has to stop.

01:54:06.140 It shines a light on it.

01:54:08.800 And you've got more and more people that support these points of view is that you can see it with Reform UK, which is the biggest political party in Britain now.

01:54:18.080 And I just recently did a podcast on one of the councillors, and she's gone to one of these gay pride events, and she's been very concerned about what she's saying.

01:54:27.780 There's been children in front of strippers, children in front of sex toys, sort of language that shouldn't be used.

01:54:35.960 And she's speaking up against this.

01:54:37.440 She got arrested for it.

01:54:38.780 They've now dropped the charges.

01:54:40.540 But the fact that she's speaking up against it, I mean, that's different to all these other parties as well.

01:54:45.640 So Reformer aren't just against immigration, but they're against the teaching of LGBTQ to children, quite clearly, because that's what her concern was.

01:54:54.680 And the trans issue, it's all of these anti-white, anti-Western issues that people are now rising up against.

01:55:02.380 And they may not have even known about them before.

01:55:04.840 Like, there wasn't anybody in the prison that had heard of Drag Queen Story Hour.

01:55:08.820 When I told them about it, they were absolutely horrified.

01:55:10.880 Some of them just couldn't believe their ears, that there were drag queens in libraries reading storybooks to toddlers. 1.00

01:55:18.100 And, you know, they knew straight away what was wrong with that, about having sexualized adult entertainers with children in the same space.

01:55:28.680 They knew what was wrong with it straight away.

01:55:30.140 And that was why some of them couldn't believe it.

01:55:32.280 And it was like, no, no, that's real.

01:55:33.860 That's what's actually going on outside this prison.

01:55:36.920 And they're just like, don't let me out.

01:55:39.020 Keep me in here.

01:55:40.020 I don't want to.

01:55:41.760 Nothing to do with the outside world, yeah.

01:55:44.080 Always smokes.

01:55:44.880 No, it's good.

01:55:45.740 It's a good trend.

01:55:48.140 And again, our job is then also to, you know, collectively speaking within the ethno-national sphere is to push harder, right?

01:55:55.240 Push harder now, in a sense, like in terms of like, okay, go from rhetoric to action.

01:55:59.120 Do something about the things you're saying and about the kind of thing, right?

01:56:01.320 So we take a W when we can and say, hey, look, collectively, you know, we've come a long way, so to speak, in five, ten years, obviously.

01:56:10.620 But this is not, that's not what it stops.

01:56:13.440 This needs to come into full fruition and actually political power needs to be wielded in such a way that we actually restore order to our countries, essentially, again.

01:56:26.160 Sven, this has been a good discussion.

01:56:27.480 I want to appreciate, I appreciate you coming on and I appreciate what you've done from all the way from Radio Arian to Radio Albion and continuing onward.

01:56:36.640 And I'm sorry this happened. 0.90

01:56:38.700 It sucks.

01:56:40.240 I'm glad you're out. 0.99

01:56:42.040 I'm glad it's over.

01:56:43.480 And I hope that they will not continue to target you and that you will be able to continue doing your radio show and doing the broadcast and stuff.

01:56:51.180 Is that what you want to do?

01:56:52.860 Is that your passion?

01:56:53.900 You want to keep doing radio?

01:56:55.300 Yeah, definitely, definitely.

01:56:57.880 Some good things have eventually come out of this and I'm very much enjoying being back.

01:57:04.860 I feel really invigorated.

01:57:07.180 I've spent the last year and a half working on musical projects, getting back into that again.

01:57:13.960 And now I'm back into the radio again.

01:57:15.480 And, you know, I just feel really energized and invigorated and enjoying things.

01:57:21.580 I say something positive has come out of it.

01:57:23.860 And I've also come out into a world which is more aligned with pro-white thinking, which I never would have thought, you know, it happened thinking back to two and a half years ago.

01:57:34.460 Yeah, correct.

01:57:34.880 So, yeah, it's all very positive.

01:57:37.040 And I very much enjoyed being on here and talking to you tonight, Henrik.

01:57:39.520 Thank you for inviting me.

01:57:40.720 Of course.

01:57:41.180 Thank you.

01:57:41.480 Yeah, give us some plugs, Dan.

01:57:42.460 Obviously, RadioAlbion.com.

01:57:44.540 That's, I would assume, the best place to go.

01:57:46.780 But you have a bio page as well or a linked page.

01:57:49.740 It's, is it LNK.bio, right?

01:57:53.580 Link, short for link.bio.

01:57:56.800 Yeah, I'm on X, Allshanks on X. 1.00

01:58:00.280 Allshanks. 0.99

01:58:01.000 There you go.

01:58:01.580 Nice.

01:58:02.760 Sven Longshanks on Gab.

01:58:05.660 Yeah.

01:58:06.480 I'm on Telegram.

01:58:08.580 I've just had to start up new ones there.

01:58:10.660 Radio Albion 25, I think, and there's a Radio Albion group.

01:58:14.360 And on the RadioAlbion.com website, there's a chat room that we've just set up.

01:58:18.360 We've got a Rocket Chat, so we could do with more people in there.

01:58:21.060 That's chat.radioalbion.com.

01:58:24.600 And I'm working on the live stream at the moment.

01:58:26.720 We're having all sorts of issues with it.

01:58:28.360 And that will be sorted out after Christmas.

01:58:30.180 And we'll have live shows on there and shows on the regular scheduling time.

01:58:34.700 It's just taken a bit of time to get to grips with everything once again.

01:58:39.180 Because I lost all the radio server.

01:58:40.680 I lost all of that.

01:58:41.680 Thankfully, I still had my archive there and the website.

01:58:44.540 And that was looked after by my co-hosts and also a good friend of mine, William Fink.

01:58:50.260 He kept the archive up as well.

01:58:52.700 But aside from that, everything was collapsed and gone.

01:58:56.080 So I had to, yeah.

01:58:57.700 Re-establish everything or set it up again.

01:58:59.760 Re-establish.

01:59:00.100 Yeah.

01:59:00.780 But yeah.

01:59:01.300 Okay.

01:59:01.760 Well, I'm glad it's up.

01:59:03.600 Yeah.

01:59:03.880 Awesome.

01:59:05.580 Well, I'm glad you're out.

01:59:06.840 I'm glad you're in good spirits.

01:59:08.540 And, you know, onwards and forwards, SSA Sven.

01:59:11.920 So thank you so much for coming on today.

01:59:13.260 I really appreciate it.

01:59:14.260 Let's stay in touch, man.

01:59:15.360 And yeah.

01:59:16.420 Welcome back anytime.

01:59:17.520 Okay.

01:59:18.780 Thank you, Henry.

01:59:19.520 Awesome.

01:59:19.880 Thank you.

01:59:20.380 Thank you.

01:59:21.300 All right, guys.

01:59:22.120 That's Sven Longshanks.

01:59:23.400 Hope you enjoyed the interview.

01:59:25.400 Very, very interesting hearing about his experiences and everything that he went through.

01:59:28.800 Obviously, with all of this crazy madness in the UK.

01:59:32.340 Something we've been covering for quite a while.

01:59:33.960 But it finally seems that the temperament and the temperature, if you will, a little bit,

01:59:38.880 is changing in the UK, which is very, very good.

01:59:42.320 Okay.

01:59:42.960 So what is it?

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Red Ice TV - December 17, 2025

From Podcast to Prison： UK's War on Speech with Sven Longshanks

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