Joey Oliver is a writer, podcaster, and host of the Right Wing Coalition podcast. He is also the author of the new book "Gen Z: From Liberal to Conservative" and is a member of the Red Wing Coalition.
00:04:36.220You are fairly new with the Right Wing Coalition.
00:04:39.220That's your kind of username, if you will, on Twitter and on YouTube.
00:04:43.560I think I read on the blurb for the book 2025, something like that.
00:04:47.140Yeah, so I got started. I put my first video up, I think in August, early August of 2025. And the only catalyst for it was it was right in the heart of all the Nick Fuentes controversy. And I've been following Nick for years. And I kind of understood how the media was framing him that wasn't honest and what they were leveraging their narrative upon.
00:05:13.020so i just wrote a script that was you know the the real nick fuentes or the truth about nick fuentes
00:05:21.260and put it up i was like if this does anything cool if it doesn't whatever nobody knows who i am
00:05:28.860we'll see what what happens and then it it blew up i think it almost has a million views now
00:05:34.620and it picked up really quickly so like within the first two weeks i think i had like 10 000
00:05:38.780subscribers so i was like okay this is this is going pretty well and then i did a video on jordan
00:05:44.460peterson and kind of his downfall because that was another narrative that i felt wasn't really
00:05:50.300articulated in the the mass media too well no people still didn't really understand what
00:05:55.660happened to him why you know young men kind of fell away from uh from his influence and so i put
00:06:01.500that one out did really well and i did no planning for like having this set up as like a real channel
00:06:09.820or like you know a mechanism for media uh i just kind of let it let it lead me along and then so i
00:06:16.860pivoted initially i was just doing breakdowns i think i did one on bukele and sam hyde you know
00:06:22.220just guys that i'm a big fan of um and then i got more into the actual political commentary which
00:06:28.300which was originally more practical right-wing philosophy, applied philosophy, you know, in the
00:06:35.140real world. And then I think it was like late October, I ended up writing a 8,000-word essay,
00:06:44.280which I titled Gen Z from liberal to far right. And it skimmed this narrative arc of how you
00:06:50.720could take, broadly speaking, a bunch of young men, start them as default liberals, as we all did,
00:06:56.520really um and shift to the point where most of us that are on the right are more right-winged
00:07:03.260and our grandparents may be great-grandparents um and i i understood though it wasn't a story that
00:07:09.240exactly happened to me i was much earlier on these things i could kind of pinpoint the milestones
00:07:14.580and how they all bridge together um to create an actual narrative and not just like a
00:07:21.100not a collection of, you know, almost essays within that time period. So I narrativized it
00:07:29.400and it did really well. I think it, I think it got about 300,000 views. Carl Benjamin did like
00:07:35.940a response to it. And at that point, you know, I maybe had 20,000 subscribers. It was like maybe
00:07:41.160my 10th video. But anyway, so Arctos reached out, the European publisher, kind of like the
00:07:48.640new right French new right and um their marketing director asked me you know your essays are really
00:07:55.240good would you be interested in publishing them with us I said yeah absolutely and he said well
00:08:00.960why don't we start with your Gen Z from liberal to far right so we did that one and then it did
00:08:05.680really well there I think it was it's the second most popular article that they've put out but you
00:08:10.580know while I was thinking about it um deeper I realized that the way I wrote it was very
00:08:17.420presumptive like i didn't apply enough evidence to actually show why the specific change in
00:08:26.700ideology happened it was more like a than b than c than d but i really wanted to prove kind of the
00:08:34.780actual substance of what i was saying and um so i i talked to arctos and i was like yeah i'm thinking
00:08:41.100about turning this into a book and they said i wrote up the first two chapters and i sent it to
00:08:46.620to them and i said i'm what do you think and that sent me a contract and that was in december
00:08:50.900so i think i wrote the first two con two chapters like december 1st or something like that and then
00:08:57.680i i used my original essay as the narrative arc and i applied the structure of the hero's journey
00:09:05.840to it and filled it out to to an entire book with all of the evidence all of the tweets all of the
00:09:13.520the articles everything's because i really wanted to solidify like this is not one person's you know
00:09:20.120niche perspective it really is every every headline that's shown in the book every tweet
00:09:25.240that's shown in the book was you know that day's breaking news you know so these are it's not just
00:09:31.360a recitation it is a recitation along with a distinct narrative of how you can go from point a
00:09:38.020to point z understood so let's let's talk about the mechanics there a little bit what what makes
00:09:44.680because i mean every generation has obviously new challenges and weird new like even technologies
00:09:51.680right that shows up obviously just social media alone or gaming or like this very kind of a screen
00:09:58.360oriented upbringing where kind of nothing is is is real really right in a sense and that that
00:10:05.180dominates and i think again for better or worse right i think at the end of that that's a bad
00:10:10.400thing however in terms of the disease of the modern world and the liberalism the egalitarianism
00:10:17.220they just you know this drudge that we've been through basically post-world war ii
00:10:21.560that has been it's being rejected for the most part not always obviously as we said there's
00:10:28.160there's the statistics we can get into the nitty-gritty with that but regardless i i think
00:10:32.140even even among far leftists just this desire among younger people generally just to for lack
00:10:38.760of a better term fuck shit up it's it's always there you know i mean they're tired of the of
00:10:43.720the preceding conditions that were there and i think it's more true now than ever because of the
00:10:48.500the comfort the meaninglessness the you know like all these things right so those are probably
00:10:53.960things you would agree with are many of the reasons and dominating reasons for why we're
00:10:59.300seeing such a and again i'm not sure if it's super dramatic but in terms of the older generations
00:11:03.920how they view it it's probably like they're so extreme what's what's going on what's happening
00:11:08.700why is this an issue right would you agree well definitely i think your note about the modernism
00:11:17.880facilitating that rage is 100 100 spot on we are in what's called a gilded cage right now
00:11:25.060and um we don't have a great incentive to depart from it and undergo i mean it's like the buddha
00:11:33.400story right it's it's very similar in that regard from a societal perspective because
00:11:37.080our physical needs are all met but we're starved of the spiritual correct and um but you know what
00:11:44.780what i frame in the book especially near the end is this general manifestation of
00:11:55.900young right-wing politics right now is not actually radical it's only radical when it's
00:12:01.900juxtaposed to an ideology that has fraudulent assumptions about man but if you remove that
00:12:09.500and you take and you and you compare what i think to someone even in the 1920s it it wouldn't be
00:12:16.940looked at differently or bizarrely at all it's a correction actually it's a course correct yeah
00:12:23.260right so you know and it's it's almost a uh it's almost hyperbole to say far right to say
00:12:30.140radicalized which i think i omit radicalization quite a bit in the book because to me what it is
00:12:34.780It's a continual stripping away. And I did each chapter almost intentionally like this. It's a continual stripping away of each of the liberal lies. Okay, that one's BS. Okay, what are the implications of that? Maybe you haven't even figured it out yet, but you find out, you know, two years later, you know, and so it's not, it's not actually the, we're not formulating anything.
00:12:58.260we are reacting to the fact that reality is not lining up with how everybody said it would have
00:13:06.320and should have and it's an adjustment like you said a correction is that a risk in that or you
00:13:12.060know i was just talking about it too when the that's always the case that's always the case
00:13:16.780for every generation i guess radical quote-unquote radicalism as you say in this case it's the the
00:13:21.940extremism is simply just a a correction to the extreme circumstances that we actually grew up
00:13:28.100and the very strange and bizarre, rare circumstances
00:13:30.760with, for the most part, lack of struggle and lack of meaning, right?
00:13:35.300We've always had that for as long as we can remember.
00:13:37.340And all of a sudden, post-World War II, like, history is over,
00:13:40.780everything, you know, liberal democracy won out or whatever.
00:13:43.880And, of course, I mean, look at the state of the world now,
00:13:46.400by the way, putting that in context, but that's a different thing.
00:23:12.940We are in a race between the AI panopticon, the globalist AI panopticon that traces every move of yours, top-down economy, all the above, and a young men uprising, whatever that looks like.
00:23:31.820i don't see any other outcome because their their grip of control even already and the
00:23:39.980docility that they're able to apply to us through the modern world
00:23:45.220i i don't see a way of changing the status quo outside of one of those two things at this point
00:23:54.840for for us or for them for us general the general status quo either i like if they either have to
00:24:04.980move forward with you know you notice what trump's doing i mean he's not revoking the real id he's
00:24:09.180not making any steps against this digitalization of no he's speeding it up all the tech bros
00:24:15.320silicon valley guys the teal faction in there oh yeah no that's that's his thing yeah it if you fly
00:24:21.280back into the united states internationally you don't even have to have your passport anymore
00:24:24.960right because they're just all biometrics yep come on yep and so i see that flowing as an
00:24:31.880undercurrent and we all know exactly where that leads and we know what the justification for all
00:24:37.320that stuff is and whether they try and sell you on safety it's just nonsense because you just walk
00:24:40.980down the street and just get stabbed by a random black guy and then he gets freed the next day
00:24:44.340so it's not about safety it's a performative contradiction to say it is um but like this is
00:24:51.400why the energy that's being manifested and hopefully harvested that we're seeing in the
00:24:58.640youth of the of the right and and beyond i'm not specifically you know constraining it to the youth
00:25:03.780but that's the only force i see with enough uh enough blind rage just on its own merit to destroy
00:25:11.600and some of the systems that they would want to, you know, sink in.
00:25:18.320Right. Let me return, because I didn't finish that point, I realized.
00:25:22.140I was going to say that every generation and the rage or the rebellion of them have been used.
00:25:29.640I mean, again, maybe that's more true, you know, post-World War II.
00:25:33.940You can go back, obviously, to, I don't know, maybe the French Revolution really harnessed the younger.
00:25:38.920I actually don't know that specifically, but, you know, that wouldn't be out of the picture, obviously, completely.
00:25:43.540But just as the full-on weaponization of the younger generations that happened with, like, you know, again, going way back now, but, like, MTV, you know, like, you know what I mean?
00:26:01.780Like, it was just a full, you know, full-on gay op, essentially, to totally subjugate the boomer generation.
00:26:07.700And it worked, right? So I'm thinking, as I'm looking at the dynamic now, have the establishment, the elite, the older generations that have in the past weaponized younger generations lost control of Gen Z? Or is it a weaponization of them in a way that we haven't been able to kind of decode yet? Do you see what I'm saying?
00:26:26.420yeah i i mean i guess i would say it's possible except for the fact that i think that um
00:26:35.280i think i do have a good you i uniquely have a good barometer for the temperature of things
00:26:42.340especially on my my side of the political divide and from even guys i've talked to not necessarily
00:26:49.000my good friends but just people in my orbit it's a consensus almost entirely and and i've heard and
00:26:57.800i'm 27 i think i'm the last year of gen z and um born 98 and uh even the younger kids i mean it's
00:27:07.400probably been expedited due to what you were saying with technology that was the mechanism
00:27:12.680that they really could get inundated with you know the andrew tates of the world and thing and
00:27:16.680influences like that where you know it started to shift things um now whether it's being co-opted
00:27:22.040or whether whether it's planning to be co-opted i'm sure something's on the table right because
00:27:27.560i think this genuinely does scare them i really do so yeah they have to be be on the watch for it
00:27:35.640yeah it would be very strange if they did just kind of drop the ball on it even if it's a i mean
00:27:41.320it could be a time of kind of adjustment i guess to the new circumstances kind of in the way that
00:27:45.640that they seem to be kind of be slow and playing catch up with, for example,
00:27:49.400how kind of the anti-Israel narrative spread on TikTok, for example.
00:27:53.540I mean, that damage done already, and it took them a while before they actually were able to do it, right?
00:27:58.520So it could be that little delay on it, but that doesn't mean that they won't get around to it, essentially.
00:28:04.560And, of course, then you have the other thing with it as well, where we talk about passivity, right?
00:28:09.440That you have dropping testosterone levels among younger generations.
00:28:13.860You have a TikTok brain, as they call it now, which is, you know, kind of ADHD, constant, you know, stimulation and can't really keep your attention for too long.
00:28:22.800And again, it's not that everyone suffers from this, but I'm saying that these are general trends within the generations overall.
00:28:28.280So the question is how you utilize that, right?
00:28:31.300Like, okay, they're turning more, at least young men and specifically the white men, but, you know, more white wing.
00:28:35.920They're becoming more like they want to do something about this, right?
00:28:39.040is there enough oomph is is there enough energy and and and force here to to take charge what
00:28:45.960what do you think or was it going to be a a de facto as you know as the octogenarians what do
00:28:51.360you call them the in congress you know literally dies off you just have a younger generation that
00:28:56.680begins to take over and eventually will be just be in a place where like oh now it's gen zers what
00:29:01.860happens then kind of thing what what do you think well i don't think we're afforded enough time for
00:29:06.060that, unfortunately. And, you know, I always, I probably, I probably think that things are
00:29:15.940going to happen faster than they do in actuality. But as you kind of understand the game of the
00:29:21.420elites of, you know, it's like the right and the left hand of the machine that are, that's
00:29:26.180the dialectic serving its, you know, its progression down the line. I really do think
00:29:33.720we are we're in a race between whoever controls the dominant ai that can you know infect us with
00:29:42.680that super state super surveillance state um i you know a lot of people think that
00:29:47.28020 30 years are going to go by and then we'll be the people in charge and then we can do things
00:29:52.520differently but it's not things don't work that way like we're going to need a black swan event
00:29:57.080whatever it is and it's going to come because the the fundamentals that are holding up everything
00:30:04.420are failing and i don't see you know i mean look at immigration right yeah a lot of people will say
00:30:12.220you know if if london stays at this rate by 20 90 they're gonna be you know 80 whatever it's like
00:30:20.040not no trend ever continues linearly ever right so either it's going to go a hundred percent or
00:30:27.580it's going to go like zero percent yeah right or what i'm saying it's going to be some extreme
00:30:31.900outcome it's not going to be this oh it's going up two percent every year two percent every year
00:30:35.500because once you reach critical mass in some regard you've changed the thing outright um and
00:30:41.120so that actually worries me now i in your um your question about if there's enough to do this
00:30:48.700i believe the energy is there i am concerned about how you organize under the technological
00:30:58.880constraints at the moment yeah that's my concern but if you could organize effectively i think it's
00:31:06.320certainly possible and it'd be probably possible right now because it feels like the advantage
00:31:10.700first it was like oh they you know the internet shows up on the stage and again i was an early
00:31:16.880adopter i remember those days how amazing it was you could actually find shit that like you couldn't
00:31:22.400find you know elsewhere essentially right it was exciting it was like you know free and then social
00:31:27.080media basically ruined the internet but now there's another of course upside to that and it was
00:31:30.740another you know fun aspect to it but overall right it becomes extremely homogenized you had
00:31:36.160the dot-com bubble and the power of the internet consolidated into very few hands very few tech
00:31:42.020companies right and instead of then kind of the diversity right of everyone getting access to it
00:31:45.840But regardless, I remember there was a period that were like, you know, they genuinely fear this.
00:31:52.560People were, you know, learning about 9-11, right?
00:31:55.080Kind of like looking into the conspiracies about this.
00:31:57.660And, you know, the Spurgs had a hate on the internet early on because it was like all the shit you couldn't find anywhere else.
00:32:02.840There was forums and all that kind of stuff.
00:32:04.820And then you realize after a certain point of that, and all that's good, so I'm not coming down on that.
00:32:09.580Obviously, you need to be informed or at least have an opinion or an understanding, I guess is a better term, an understanding of the multitude maybe of angles or theories about, you know, said events or the course of history or who's in charge or things like this.
00:32:23.800I don't think that's – but then you realize there's also passivity in endless exposure just to the information itself, right?
00:32:31.300It now causes passivity almost where it's like people end up in like kind of analysis paralysis and we don't end up doing anything.
00:32:38.520So again, it was a great weapon for us, and then it almost felt like the establishment, for the lack of a better term, managed to switch it on us.
00:32:48.680It was like, oh, you're entertained by this? Here you go. Let us buy aliens.gov. How about that?
00:32:54.400You'd like to just throw everything at it to keep us just kind of in the rat maze, I guess, right?
00:33:00.660yeah i um i mean it's it's harder for me to contextualize given that most of my time with
00:33:09.880the internet was more of the the basically marketing style of it right like everything
00:33:15.620was gamified facebook had things set up to be addictive and stuff like that so it was always
00:33:20.840commercialized for me um and that's just kind of the way i the way i always saw it but i i will say
00:33:27.240that it i don't know how any adult parent can can really justify giving into having their kid be on
00:33:38.540that stuff at this point right just given what we know about it yeah um and i think that but you
00:33:43.700know here's another like i was saying before it's those who would intentionally add suffering into
00:33:50.260their life to satisfy some underlying prerequisite for meaning like how many how many people are
00:33:56.360gonna have the discipline to not to to boycott instagram or whatever you know it's like right
00:34:01.640yeah the only way that you could do this would be from top-down legislation it's the only way
00:34:06.320um but yeah because the discipline aspect of this kind of like you alluded to before is
00:34:13.560i think a very small niche fringe kind of faction that can do it i i'd love to see it be that way
00:34:19.360same thing with ai right like the if if we feel a threat from ai most people's response to it of
00:34:24.220course is to just like back off and leave it alone or whatever but the actual i think correct
00:34:29.280approach to it is you know actually learn it study it to try to you know again don't be dependent on
00:34:34.880it don't don't end up in a situation where now you rely on it for everything obviously i'm not
00:34:38.700saying that but at the same time if you don't understand how it functions you will never fully
00:34:44.240be able to stand how it will try to manipulate you or take control of you or or be used kind of
00:34:49.820in that capacity it's possible we won't even have a chance by that point because it might just be
00:34:54.860at least you know at some point so intel or so um kind of able to outmaneuver us in terms of its
00:35:02.680level of intelligence that we still think that we're in charge but it's totally it's not controlling
00:35:07.060us right but i think you're right i think you're correct in terms we have a window it's a window
00:35:10.780of opportunity it's it's swiftly closing and that's why i think we're seeing so many um you
00:35:17.980know, things globally or internationally or within politics, even where it's like a desperation
00:41:20.120I won't say it's impossible, but I think they're trying at least, right?
00:41:23.640So there's things happening in the world.
00:41:25.500Obviously, there are, like, unforeseen things, and then there's a course correction,
00:41:29.600and there's an adjustment, and whoops, let's get, you know, I get all those things, right?
00:41:33.400But I still think the point, I still think it's a point that's well made,
00:41:37.780that, like, you had two, you know, terms of Obama
00:41:43.600and the level of, like, kind of anti-whiteness
00:41:48.200that came out of that overall from, like, you know, 2008 to 2016.
00:41:54.200There was a genuine grassroots opposition to that.
00:41:57.860I think there was a, you know, you had, like, the Tea Party forming.
00:42:00.700You had kind of, I mean, the 3% says goes back further than that,
00:42:03.940but that's when they, you know, Oath Keepers.
00:42:05.700There was things like this popping up in the U.S., and I think at some point the establishment realized, look, if these white people are, for good reason, and genuinely, correctly so, getting pissed off here, we got to offer them something or someone.
00:42:23.080Like, if we don't do it, they will come up with them themselves, you know, kind of thing.
00:42:27.980And I think that it's a high potential here that, you know, with Trump being bailed out by Wilbur Ross and his relation to Roy Cohn and, of course, all the, you know, Chabadniks and the Howard Lutniks and all that kind of backdrops to where they were like, you know, he's a good guy.
00:42:43.680He can be the scapegoi, the white guy, fall guy here, you know, and we can bundle all the genuine white rage into his administration, kind of turn it into a clown show.
00:42:55.220And instead of having like, because there was an opportunity here, I genuinely think so.
00:42:59.120There was an opportunity to do things professionally and correctly, go after the employers, just like the semaphore piece said that, right, with the deportations.
00:43:06.240Go to the farms, the hotel, like, you know, where all these people, the meat packaging plants or something.
00:43:13.680don't turn it into this kind of theater in the inner cities where like what what i mean the all
00:43:19.740for all the protest and shit show in la i think it was something like maybe 10 000 people at the
00:43:25.360end of that they got you know criminally legal aliens managed to depot what was the yield what
00:43:29.780was the outcome from that so anyway at the risk of just sounding like everything is controlled
00:43:33.100don't even try that's not what i mean either obviously but i'm saying hindsight i can kind
00:43:37.560of see that that's how regardless if that was the plan or not that's kind of how it's played out
00:43:41.120yeah you can connect the dots for sure yeah so anyway uh it's it's very interesting i think i
00:43:48.240think it's a it's an interesting time because we're seeing things happening with iran and
00:43:53.260kind of a decoupling from europe which is an interesting thing for me too looking at european
00:43:57.340nationalism how europe will be able to rise up because undoubtedly the same forces that have
00:44:01.720occupied the american political system uh has obviously been restrictive in in europe as well
00:44:08.160right we're all suffering from having an elite that ultimately don't care about us right and so
00:44:13.000the NATO system uh America being dominant in terms of like the uh international pressure through NATO
00:44:19.720obviously in Europe but other things as well the petrodollar and things like that looks like all
00:44:23.340of that's kind of I'm not saying it's implode tomorrow but it's like the credibility of of
00:44:27.860America internationally too is is kind of crumbling wouldn't you say like totally it's
00:44:31.900is that the place is that the intention do you think or what do you think they're playing with
00:44:35.280there it kind of seems like they've set trump up to be i don't know if you're familiar with this
00:44:41.140but in the last like 20 years 30 years probably the classic family sitcom had you know the stupid
00:44:49.260dad that the mom had to correct on everything and he was just a bumbling idiot right and they're
00:44:55.160trying to it seems whether they did this intentionally or not they're having trump
00:44:59.780fit that archetype and then giving him the position of the most powerful man in the world
00:45:05.700to then destroy our credibility and destroy men's credibility and say like this is what happens when
00:45:12.240that's what that's what your apex man is and he's an absolute moron you know it's like
00:45:17.620we may come out of this and trump may have wrecked the american reputation more than joe biden
00:45:27.380yes which is quite something astounding if that's the case it's just getting the point is it's
00:45:34.340getting worse and worse and worse no matter how we try to fix things politically or like people
00:45:38.820let's vote for this guy it just gets well i think so and i think i think what pervades our society
00:45:45.480right now in the west particularly in america is just this this lack of accountability this
00:45:51.800lack of responsibility and this misunderstanding about where are the levers of power they must
00:45:58.760exist things are moving but when biden comes out and he like can't even say his name on a live
00:46:05.960debate and you know yeah struggles to get off of the stage who's running the country then that's
00:46:13.420it's not him but we don't even know that no you know and um and i think we're all we're all
00:46:19.280suffering from this um this like starvation for we just want to know what is actually happening
00:46:26.680you know well and and really and i think the the powers that be kind of a gay term but let's let's
00:46:33.360use it all aloud um they uh they thrive in in in in confusion and in uncertainty and you know as i
00:46:41.420said before going back to that point that like with that kind of chaotic conditions or whatnot
00:46:46.060Now, people do generally overall end up kind of in a fear mode.
00:46:49.220I can even feel as much as I like to kind of analyze things or whatever.
00:46:52.320I was looking at energy markets, fertilizer shortages.
00:46:55.500And again, like this, like, shit, you know what?
00:46:58.480This could turn, maybe they'll do it this time.
00:47:04.820Because in one way, you can argue the problem is they didn't go far enough, right?
00:47:09.620Because if they would have gone far enough and actually pushed people over the edge,
00:47:13.880i think we we could have actually gone gotten somewhere yeah but they did they pulled back
00:47:19.000just in the right time to make sure that that didn't happen you know yeah and then they retcon
00:47:23.880it too right as if right if uh it was all oh well we didn't know what was going on we just had to
00:47:28.920take extra precautionary measures no sorry that's not what you did just two weeks to flatten the
00:47:34.840curve there's two weeks to uh we're gonna bomb iran it's always this it's the same same means
00:47:41.880keep repeating time loop you know yeah they can't even i mean it's insulting that they can't even
00:47:48.120update their propaganda no they're not very creative in that way are they i think i think
00:47:52.920it's a human humiliation ritual to say like it feels like we can get you again and again and
00:47:57.880again with the same thing and you guys aren't gonna do it what are you gonna do about it
00:48:01.960exactly it goes back to my point of all the with all the information right kind of thing
00:48:06.200but what's happening right well what do we do you know what are we doing with it and things are
00:48:09.400slowly degrading and slowly getting worse now i you know again i i i get it it it's hard right
00:48:15.400even for you know the few that kind of have that vision or whatever to you know going to battle by
00:48:21.340yourself before you've organized an army it's not just you know it's just you know there's nothing
00:48:25.600brave about it that's just dumb essentially right so we are binding our time we're trying to
00:48:29.420uh as your name of your channel on youtube implies build a coalition right like of actually
00:48:34.780you know strengthening our our numbers and getting to a point where we realize okay either
00:48:41.440you know again i've given up much you know a lot more like trying to salvage something on the
00:48:46.440national stage but i'm thinking more locally now smaller where people are at you know trying to
00:48:52.340build something kind of from the ground up and and foundations do you think that do you think
00:48:56.720that's something uh that that is a driver within gen z overall or is it because when i'm looking
00:49:04.600from the outside it's been this and it could be misdirected i know there's many different views
00:49:10.580on this internally obviously as it always is but it was like this we'll kind of infiltrate the
00:49:14.880political system we'll put our guys in place we'll try to you know steer the ship in this kind of
00:49:19.300direction uh from the outside that feels what has been a part of the objective objective of genc of
00:49:25.540like trying to kind of take over the political so maybe that's just fuentes you know it's like yeah
00:49:29.860he was driving that line for a while it was like we'll put our guys in place we'll cooperate with
00:49:34.340these people and kind of nudge our way in there yeah um well the problem the problem with that
00:49:39.800is if you don't understand where the levers of power are there then you don't have much of a
00:49:44.420plan you know it's one thing if you if you understand the general hierarchy of a certain
00:49:49.280company or corporation and you know you know the the scope that each position is um responsible for
00:49:56.320and you know what you can do functionally when you get into that position but i don't think anybody
00:50:01.100has a clue of of any of these positions what the extent of their power is what the extent of the
00:50:07.100control behind it is what the extent of the blackmail is all of that it's a total wild card
00:50:11.480so that to me that approach strikes me initially as a bit um not cowardly but not probably for
00:50:21.160forthright enough actually it's a nice i probably willfully naive because you can't actually
00:50:30.900articulate a plan besides like well maybe when we get there we can do something we'll see um not
00:50:35.800that your plan has to be totally like dotted out perfectly but you do need to know like if if a then
00:50:42.900be you know right um to actually give you some some direction now i i think what we were talking
00:50:49.200about previously about the youth and culture more generally i think the way that you would incite i
00:50:57.280I mean, the way I conclude my perceptions of, as you were saying, over the years, over the different revolutions, over the different societal episodes of turmoil, they have all capitalized on the youth, often spreads to workers, you know, and then that's where you get your massive body.
00:51:19.240Now, the only way that I can see doing that in the modern world is if some form of pop culture can get taken over by the right.
00:51:29.740And my comparison would be like, imagine a right-wing 1960s movement.
00:51:38.440Because you can't, like intellectually and argumentatively, what we say actually doesn't move the needle for most people.
00:51:47.860you have to give the feeling and you have to be already put on a pedestal so that you have
00:51:53.640people looking at you and want to hear what you what you have to say regardless like eight months
00:51:58.080ago you wouldn't have even wanted to hear what i had to say because i have nothing back in me
00:52:01.840um and so if we can find a way whatever that looks like some type of scene that's prominent
00:52:09.180and i do think the political commentary stuff i mean fuentes is proving it tucker's proving it
00:52:13.300in its own right that that there is a great appetite for that but can you mobilize that
00:52:17.620into actual action because if we do not and we remain in the underground we will always have
00:52:25.420the dismissal from the mainstream and you almost have to be too talented to where you can't be
00:52:32.120denied you know right yeah go ahead no the the issue has been that the rot inside of the system
00:52:43.000right seeking legitimacy i get it in terms of popularity and then to grow your numbers right
00:52:47.880but seeking maybe not just legitimacy within the system but like any type of influence or or
00:52:54.960recognition or or like getting a foot in through the door in some type of mainstream kind of
00:53:00.480institution or media whatever you want to call it right the problem with that is like it's run by
00:53:07.140like epstein pedophiles how do you you will know if you don't compromise to that and to them you
00:53:16.800will not get into that world is what i'm saying so so no i yeah you know but i think what you're
00:53:21.240saying is and i'm not saying that's what you're saying but that's the problem with that you know
00:53:25.560approach to it so what you are saying if i'm hearing that correctly it's like it needs to
00:53:31.540be outside of that but at the same time for it to get popularity and recognition and notice you
00:53:37.380still need to tap do you see i'm saying or at least you need to piss off the mainstream enough
00:53:42.160i guess to get attention right yeah or you set up some this is why i say like whoever these people
00:53:48.540are have to be so talented that they cannot be denied because um they would have to do it
00:53:54.820externally to your point but i think with the mechanism of the internet being such a great
00:54:01.160facilitator of you know information you could do it through through there but again this comes down
00:54:07.260to what is the extent of the control mechanism already in place we don't even know that so maybe
00:54:13.560it's totally not possible at all maybe they'll just cut but you know i mean i've grown pretty
00:54:17.420big and no one's come after me so it can't be like a complete clampdown um you know so i'm
00:54:26.440optimistic in the sense that i see a way it's not hopeless in my eyes but
00:54:33.800i don't even because of how the government is situated here i don't even know how you
00:54:42.440could transfer powers to uh basically a single executive yeah no i don't think you can in its
00:54:50.580current kind of configuration right i think it's impossible well not through its channels but i
00:54:55.180mean even if you didn't like even if you subverted it whatever you did like what Gaddafi did in
00:55:00.360Libya or something like that um look at what happened to him right yeah but I don't even know
00:55:06.720I just you know I think we're all so in the dark on the actual mechanics of everything and that's
00:55:12.800by design oh no definitely absolutely um well yeah you mentioned it's an interesting thing
00:55:19.500because I know you have a you brought up Peterson you have a thing on obviously on Rogan in the book
00:55:23.900right um i was watching your video on your youtube about tucker and i think we share some concerns
00:55:29.820here and i mean from our point of view said no one has come after you so we've been doing this
00:55:33.500for a long time we had 333 subs on youtube banned debanked d platform can't use payment processor
00:55:40.780completely pushed out of basically everything right so censorship works that's the first
00:55:45.820level to it right now we're still here we have a great audience with very supportive and whatnot
00:55:49.980But it's true, right? There's no reason to deny it that if we would have been on the YouTubes and have access to what other people like Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson or, you know, any of these people have access to in terms of their YouTubes and payment processors and reach and all that stuff, we'd probably do pretty well and be out there even more, right?
00:56:11.720But I think it goes back to something fundamentally about authenticity,
00:56:16.400and you're bringing this up in your video about Tucker, right,
00:56:19.460of him basically being one of these people's champions,
00:56:22.800that continuously they need to put these individuals in front of us
00:56:27.540in order to offer us someone that can address your concerns
00:56:31.760and speak to you or for you, but then at the same time go,
00:56:36.200maybe as a tucker in that case go right kind of up the towards the line where kind of the
00:56:42.560acceptable line is and even kind of cross it in some regards right but not really offering you
00:56:50.100the solutions to what would get us out of that situation and and what i mean by that i want your
00:56:55.360take on this obviously but i just we just did a segment for uh one of our western warrior shows
00:56:59.440and we had a you know we kind of wrote down our main critiques of tucker carlson and to briefly
00:57:04.560reiterate that it's basically i'll summarize it like this as short as i can he's doing great work
00:57:09.920in like obviously now with like exposing israeli uh stranglehold on american politics you know
00:57:16.320zionism these kinds of things right which is great fantastic right but he's had this continuous um
00:57:24.320denunciation of anything that has to do with you know ethnic kinship and white nationalism or
00:57:31.120white people organizing and taking back our power which which i therefore thinks think at this point
00:57:36.960makes a tucker carlson one of the most dangerous people that we have out there i i agree with him
00:57:43.040on many things but but his and ironically when he's attacked by a mark levin or a laura loomer
00:57:49.200or randy fine whatever it is a shuck shoe whatever whoever it is that actually grants him and gives
00:57:54.880him the authenticity and credibility that is so much necessary for a tucker carlson right now
00:57:59.520right i know you have a lot to say on this but yeah share your thoughts on this yeah um no that
00:58:06.000that's that's absolutely the case and i think i think wherever tucker is is probably the indicator
00:58:15.380of where they're allowing the conversation to be at any given time and you know i i have two
00:58:24.680theories on tucker one is that he is good faith and he really is you know america first really
00:58:35.680trying to do xyz but he can't because of the position he's in he's too big to to break from
00:58:45.260all the other you know conditioning of every everything else um but he's trying to do things
00:58:53.700behind the scenes but what my problem with his with him is fundamentally is he will preach things
00:58:59.440like authenticity and honesty and then totally lie or totally omit things that he you know when
00:59:05.740he was saying that nick fuentes was the person that told him that his dad was in the cia
00:59:10.620are you kidding me he didn't know that before yeah and and then you know like he's what 56
00:59:17.880Oh, he just got smart to Israel a year and a half ago.
01:00:06.240But so they've like packed, they're taking up all the air in the room.
01:00:09.720I mean, I get it. This is not something like, this is not me saying a referee should come in here and blow the whistle and give, you know, these people a foul.
01:00:17.540Look, I get that. That's not what's going to happen.
01:00:19.360I'm just observing, like, they're pushing these individuals in front of us, and they are not banned.
01:00:25.820They are not censored. They are not restricted.
01:00:28.460People talk shit about them, but that gives them the credibility.
01:00:31.360In a world desperately where they know that there's so many fake oppositions and controlled narratives and stuff like that, the only way you can really kind of create that authenticity is to attack them the way a Randy Fine attacks a Tucker Carlson, for example.
01:00:44.400That lends him that credibility that he so desperately needs.
01:00:47.420And that's hard for people to figure out.
01:00:51.500Yeah. And, you know, the fact that he's never had a bad word to say about J.D. Vance, but like J.D. Vance really is kind of a fundamental lever in that whole operation. Something's off.
01:01:06.440Something's off. I don't know what. I really don't know what. But something is certainly off.
01:01:11.000When you can have a Tucker so astutely and correctly recognize the demographic issues and were brought to the brink of extinction in terms of our demographics and replacement migration and all these things, when there's this, look, if he has some plan to slowly drip feed his audience to get him to a point where, you know, one day he just like, we'll just drop it and just say like, hey, look, white people, we just need to organize kind of thing, right?
01:06:17.160These are also people that are running international organizations that are designed to replace white people in Europe and America, like HIAS or like Israel.
01:06:35.260Yeah, and I mean that tells you just about everything you need to know on it.
01:06:39.100um because if they're ignorant of that then they're like declaratively retarded so then why
01:06:45.460are we listening to them at all um and if they won't say it that means that they have another
01:06:50.420master yes that that you know doesn't actually care about solving the problem which would imply
01:06:56.900that it's probably that person you know and i think that's about the trends of these things
01:07:01.920going back to the point that in the same way that they provided kind of a trump to derail those
01:07:07.380things the same way they provide um champions and uh you know steam valves that can release
01:07:15.860the pressure i mean it tucker even right he did write that book right ship of fools which was
01:07:20.100like um he's as you pointed out in your video it was great great uh job of you know pulling that
01:07:25.980together of um of him being an elitist he you know a trust fund you know baby he's he's never
01:07:35.580had a hard and you know Tom in his life really as far as we can tell more than maybe now then or
01:07:41.280something but even the persona that you said that it's this very hey I'm gonna I'm gonna go fishing
01:07:46.520now and here's my log here's my you know this performative kind of way that he puts on the
01:07:52.080everyday man type of costume to try to appeal to like the outdoorsy American white man or something
01:07:57.780right that's what it is exactly it's performative totally so he's trying to do that in order to
01:08:04.120stay relevant and be a guy who can be there and hold you i think the point i made in the
01:08:09.080segment i just recorded on this was he will hold you in in in uh in your hand and lead you towards
01:08:16.420the you and your and our children to to the door of extinction you know and just like well it's
01:08:23.680all right i'm i'm right here with you you know but it's like can't we do anything about this
01:08:27.460can't we what what you know and it's not much that would have to be said you know um anyway
01:08:32.660maybe i'm maybe i'm harping too hard on this but it frustrates me i mean legitimately and honestly
01:08:38.440this is well because i you know yeah i i i drove like four hours to go watch tucker speak uh when
01:08:46.560he was on the campaign trail for trump and i was like i mean this is like what two or three years
01:08:50.920ago um but and i was in my head i was like you know because the rumors about tucker being some
01:08:57.440agent or whatever it actually is is independent of the label for it but in my head i thought well
01:09:04.460if he is then they're so good at this that we should probably just give up because this guy
01:09:09.940seems like he really cares he's really authentic and then the next two years it just pretty much
01:09:14.740falls apart if you're paying attention so i mean i took it personally almost of like i he's he had
01:09:22.100me for a little bit you know no definitely no i get it sorry just taking a sip of water here yeah
01:09:28.580no i get it um so we got tucker what tell us a little bit about what you wrote about rogan because
01:09:33.880i see him very much in the same way like spotify contracts hundreds of millions he was i used to
01:09:38.460be i used to go on a network i think it was called was this truth truth stream um not media that's
01:09:47.000another outlet what was it it was it was something to that effect it was something truth something
01:09:50.860broadcast or stream or something anyway is that where his original one was on or what
01:09:55.460he went on there as a guest i forget if that was the original but he went on there as a guest
01:10:00.180number of time and i even forget the guy who who ran it now i had him on the show a couple of times
01:10:05.000and he had me on his show a few times as well um it was like early days he was into kind of the
01:10:10.360well he's always been obviously like the the acid the lsd the mush the shrooms you know kind of
01:10:15.520right and it was one show in particular where we had a guest on um to kind of talk about like the
01:10:22.700cia backdrop to like pushing drugs and pushing psychedelics and stuff and again it's not a
01:10:27.840wholesale dismissal that is like nothing that maybe there's an application that but regardless
01:10:31.640the point was to to bring it you know to the attention of people listening that is like hey
01:10:35.720here's like a joe rogan back in the day before he blew up like the way he did on on youtube with
01:10:40.560the show um but he wasn't a fear factor he was a host again mainstream tv personality type of
01:10:47.160he's comes from that world again which is i was that interesting right uh but he was pushing
01:10:51.740these things about like drugs and dmt and you know all these kinds of things kind of all alternative
01:10:56.420history type of topics and stuff and i'm i've enjoyed some of that myself i've covered some
01:11:01.080of that myself in the past going way back but anyway um he he went out hard i think after
01:11:06.560lana because she had one who interviewed um john ervin who who came out and speaking up against
01:11:12.720joe rogan about all the drug you know the drug use and this is some cia front op or whatever
01:11:17.360but he came out he ended up of course kind of blowing up getting these massive cons
01:11:22.100spotify deals hundreds of million but he became like a spokesperson for all those ideas
01:11:28.120and i think it's and i think it's a lot of it has a lot to do with who says it not even
01:11:34.360what in some case not even what's being said but who says it right so we can't have someone
01:11:39.720who can go off the rail that we don't control that we don't have a holdover or something like
01:11:45.120that because they can go off and all of a sudden they start giving people actual ideas about stuff
01:11:49.540exactly do something well that i mean that's what's i mean kind of speaks to what i was saying
01:11:54.520earlier where you know the argumentation of it doesn't really matter it's it's the underlying
01:12:01.620message that you can sell and that's almost inextricable from the person selling the message
01:12:07.260absolutely yeah the um the you as the medium are the message and in many regards um if you're if
01:12:14.680you're playing an angle but the way i spoke about rogan in the book i framed the rogan sphere of like
01:12:23.2602015 to 2018, 2019, which was the intellectual dark web. But I framed it as in accordance with
01:12:34.140the hero's journey. This is your meeting the mentors phase. So broadly speaking, generationally,
01:12:40.100you know, we've got like Jordan Peterson comes in and, you know, just as Trump offered us
01:12:45.080authenticity in his, or what appeared to be authenticity in 20, in his 2015 run to ultimate
01:12:52.700election in 2016 um peterson offered us a spiritual side of the world which up until that
01:13:02.020point we had only understood the world through the mechanical lens that it had been applied for us
01:13:07.100throughout our childhood and rogan was the consolidator of all of those
01:13:13.660characters and they basically and this was clearly done intentionally because barry
01:13:21.840weiss in the new york times was the one that essentially anointed them as the intellectual
01:13:26.720renegades of our day right and what that did fundamentally was it positioned them in a manner
01:13:35.040that gave them legitimacy amongst the broad populace and but they were just deviant enough
01:13:44.340from the they were just heterodox enough to kind of instigate some interest by like young men
01:13:56.940because we were seeing something that from our perception was oppositional to the extremely
01:14:04.060leftist gay culture at the time but what what will you find what we found in this in this journey
01:14:11.120and there was very many things that that played this out um but their reaction to because they
01:14:18.060they founded themselves and they promoted themselves as these classical liberals i'm
01:14:22.240free speech absolutist you know no government tyranny i'm a free man well then the coronavirus
01:14:29.240comes around and almost all of them buckle right away then george floyd comes around almost all of
01:14:34.740them buckle right away you know then biden comes around and then you have sam harris saying the
01:14:40.260adults are back in charge and you know trump is the most deranged maniac that's ever lived
01:14:45.300um and then what you what we found was they weren't actually addressing the real consequential
01:14:53.000questions they were fine at giving us kind of a broad rundown of how you know you shouldn't trust
01:14:59.500the man man but they were not ever dealing with you know realities of like are gender differences
01:15:06.800distinct enough to warrant different treatment between the two are racial differences different
01:15:12.080enough to warrant different treatment or separation between the races never hear him talk about that
01:15:18.800and so what we found i think beyond 2020 probably beyond 2022 really was that these guys had been
01:15:26.640almost like the opposite of a trojan horse like they weren't ushering in anything new they were
01:15:30.640trying to damn the water for us to to not go further um they wanted to stop us right there
01:15:36.000You guys are classical liberals, and you believe in the vision of the founders. And really, we believe in the Civil Rights Act. That's your constitution. But as we got exposed to more, especially with the rise of Tate and Fuentes, we understood that we had kind of been sold diet masculinity is how I described it.
01:16:00.080And they, there was no, there was no integration of bringing those ideas to their logical conclusion.
01:16:11.280Like Jordan would say, Jordan would basically say that, well, men and women are different, but women should still be able to do absolutely anything they want and have a career and have kids, but they'd be happier if they didn't.
01:16:27.620um and we got fed up with this whole shilling game of like what do you if you're putting forward
01:16:39.840ideas that contradict the status quo presumptions but you're not actually saying that there should
01:16:45.760be any deviant conclusions to come from them then what are you playing you're just playing a shell
01:16:51.160game um and and so we discarded all those guys and hey i haven't listened to rogan in years um
01:16:56.740but i i think for the time they they did capitalize on quite a bit that energy that
01:17:03.440we were talking about previously like at that time that energy was certainly blossoming and i
01:17:08.260think it got it got taken and um uh like cooled down under their supervision yeah um oh boy i
01:17:21.740i have a lot to say about this but it's an interesting thing that you bring up there
01:17:26.620because there's i think there's a two i say there's two aspects one is the yeah the dark
01:17:31.500is it the dark enlightenment was that what it's called the dark web of the enlightenment what was
01:17:36.920the intellectual dark web intellectual dark but that's what they used that's right yeah oh yeah
01:17:41.980exactly because he again tangentially related to that whole crew right and getting enough of that
01:17:48.160you know this is like a this is always what it's been this is the same thing going back to how you
01:17:53.700hijack uh revolutionary spirits among younger generations then it's like hey this Marilyn
01:18:00.200Manson guy is really dangerous and edgy and you should definitely not listen to him like you're
01:18:04.260just promoting him now like you know that right this is the same thing here really like you
01:18:08.800definitely don't want to listen to like Brett Weinstein's dark horse podcast because that's
01:18:12.480you know that's so edgy right or whatever uh or you know dave what's his name um oh gosh he was
01:18:18.360with the team ruben dave ruben yeah exactly dave ruben or like this trigonometry constantine kissing
01:18:24.180oh yeah god sad right which came out like he's just an open like mossad agent i'm not sure if
01:18:30.120you saw that video was so funny i couldn't believe it i was like what like okay all right this makes
01:18:36.020you always joke and be like oh i'm a mossad agent right comes i was like no actually i am i was
01:18:40.960actually approached exactly it's like okay now i know why this fart was astroturfed in the way
01:18:45.620that it was like it makes sense right but it was so they spent a lot of the time as you said yes
01:18:51.640promoting like classic liberal ideas but at the same time you kind of had a setup of the whole
01:18:56.460woke shit right like where the bar is now so low in terms of your level of critique against
01:19:04.360something that is genuinely a problem and being shoved down our throats right like yes let's uh
01:19:09.500you know, put your kids on hormone blockers
01:23:17.380And as much as I hate training bathrooms, that's just a, it's just one little symptom of the problem out on the periphery, really, you know what I mean, without fundamentally addressing the underlying factors.
01:23:29.960so all right so anyway come back to some of the issues here they talk about the book right
01:23:36.320how you see gen z being part of altering this changing this um what's the trajectory do you
01:23:44.840see um if if the window is closing um i'm not sure if we talked enough about that but like you
01:23:50.620say is the energy and organizational capability there obviously this is not something and it's
01:23:55.860never been something that one generation fixes on their own it's always been across i think even
01:24:00.320the division of generations of sort is actually kind of part of the psyop right this didn't used
01:24:05.200to be the case you know i mean you look back enough in history um i think that started really
01:24:11.260post-world war ii where they started like kind of weaponizing one generation against another in
01:24:16.480order to essentially i think separate us from a generational knowledge and wisdom essentially
01:24:21.200like oh don't listen to them they're older type of thing right you see what i'm saying
01:24:25.000no totally and you know i uh there are a lot of people that tacitly assume that
01:24:33.100because it's about gen z that it only applies to gen z it doesn't at all it applies to everyone
01:24:39.940the distinction is that we were in our formative years when all this happened right you know i was
01:24:45.100i was 18 when trump got elected for the first time and i'm 27 now but uh the i i i pegged the
01:24:54.060real start of all this trayvon martin followed by michael brown that incited this this hyper
01:25:01.320fixation on race what year was on 2014 2012 was trayvon brown okay uh martin and then uh michael
01:25:08.380brown was 2015 um but i think everything that's laid out in the narrative of the book everybody
01:25:18.900that lives in the west will be perfectly comfortable and understand how these events
01:25:25.080impacted their psyche too um it's not like my niche memoir of like what happened to me like
01:25:30.600there's a few authorial commentaries but they're very brief and it's only to apply knowledge like
01:25:35.500when I worked at Tesla and saw the H1V stuff happening as Elon was lying about it. But for
01:25:41.580the most part, it is very much integrative of everybody. Everybody that's basically red-pilled
01:25:48.980at the time probably drew the same conclusion at each of these milestones. And so I think the
01:25:57.280The visceral rage underlying Gen Z is more powerful than the preceding generations,
01:26:05.100or I guess preceding generations, because we were so close, or at least it appeared
01:26:11.880that we were so close to all of the general promises actually coming true, right?
01:26:17.320Like go to college, get a job, work hard, find a wife, buy a house, have kids.
01:26:23.920like 10 years ahead of us most people did make that work and so there was a lot of reason for
01:26:31.100us to believe that that would be our trajectory and when it when it wasn't that incited this like
01:26:36.900revolutionary spirit i think that's that's lying beneath the surface um on the right um
01:26:43.620and so i think it's there in that regard i think our allies in the older generations
01:26:48.660certainly everybody that's been paying attention i i'm at the point now where i don't think that
01:26:53.220we should waste any time on conversions if you're where you are politically at this point i don't
01:26:58.600see any reason for discourse it's a waste of time um and and even if you did persuade someone they
01:27:04.380wouldn't be any type of player in this anyway because if it's you know 2026 and you haven't
01:27:08.820figured out what's going on um when you do you're just going to be useless because you couldn't
01:27:14.560figure it out when it was so obvious um so uniquely i think it will have to be led primarily
01:27:21.060by the younger cohort or whatever occurs, right?
01:27:26.420Because that's where the guttural rage exists at.
01:27:30.840And I think you need that to be your engine.
01:27:34.300But I do think that there's allies to be had.
01:27:38.940One thing that makes people very uncomfortable to think about
01:27:44.060is you reach a point once you've crossed a threshold
01:27:48.620to where if you rethought all of your presumptions and they ended up being wrong
01:27:56.640then you kind of invalidate your entire life like if you're 60 years old right now and you worked
01:28:02.940you know 12 hours a day whatever to earn all this money and you you buy a house all this stuff
01:28:10.880and then you learn that like the financial system is just a total smoke and mirrors game
01:28:16.020that your money is digits on the screen, you know, and it's probably all facilitating
01:28:21.600terrible things, whether through tax dollars or whatever. It's like that's a load bearing belief
01:28:28.740and that if you remove that, your world kind of comes tumbling down. This is the same thing you
01:28:33.920see with young women who have had abortions or parents who have trans their children.
01:28:39.060They will never relent on that and they will be the most fiercest warrior defending that
01:28:45.580opinion, that action, because if they changed their mind, then they become the monster or they
01:28:53.480become the person that wasted their life on something that was meaningless. And so we're
01:28:57.500going to really have to find a way to deal with that as people do start waking up to the depth
01:29:03.820of fraudulence that is wrought in everything. And I think Gen Z is insulated from that a little bit
01:29:11.300in the sense that we didn't actually devote ourselves to enough to where we're anchored in
01:29:18.880and that we're dealing with that kind of like i have no problem relinquishing the um the conclusion
01:29:25.620that like the old world is gone because i know because i'm not i'm not so invested to where that
01:29:31.140would you know break my identity or make me regret all the times i missed out hanging out with my
01:29:36.200kids or whatever like that and we're going to see this too as time progresses um as like these
01:29:41.440millennial women a totally age out of childbearing years and can't find a husband like they're going
01:29:47.780to have to get even more fierce in their promotion of feminism because if they don't well then they're
01:29:55.760admitting that they totally ruined their lives that's what i'm most scared about in terms of
01:30:01.400the volatility of of emotions across the board yeah and what happens with them those women too
01:30:06.340is they're being they're weaponized right instead of then spending all their time on kids or later
01:30:11.420on grandkids or something their entire existence now is to attack white men essentially you know
01:30:17.480like you're the reason for that spite you know the spiteful mutants are you know coming out and
01:30:23.240and they'll be weaponized and they'll be people that have means in some cases to resource right
01:30:29.140They have, because of their DEI positions, whatever the hell they have, they have good paying jobs, they have means and resources, it's awful.
01:30:36.400But again, going back to the point, right, I mean, demographics is the number one issue for us, what we talk about right now.
01:30:44.040Because with that, if we lose that, it's, if we don't have our people, what do we have?
01:30:50.020And so you have so many headlines like this, and, you know, not that I need to reiterate it to you, but we continuously remind people of this.
01:30:56.420like keep your eye on the ball what's happening we can talk about all these peripheral issues and
01:31:00.920problems right now granted of course a lot of other uh demographic people demographics racist
01:31:07.320ethnicities as well also have you know decline in their population number seems to go hand in hand
01:31:12.700with modernity or something like that right uh but the point is in our own countries what's that
01:31:18.640and average iq i would say oh sure absolutely um if we lose our own countries we we have nothing
01:31:26.180Now we're relegated to a small little segment or a portion of it or something like that.
01:31:31.060And at the same time, it's something we have to kind of, you know, prepare for.
01:31:36.400We have to fight tooth and nail against it, but at the same time, prepare for a possibility that at least for a period of time, we will be in a minority status in some of our own countries.
01:31:47.780I mean, America has already, I think you have a couple of the headlines here, obviously, and we know about the replacement migration agenda pushed by the UN,
01:31:54.320all these international organizations all these charities all these churches all these jewish
01:31:59.040orgs there's muslim they're all pushing it they're making money on it they're taking
01:32:04.240taxpayer money and basically uh making millions in resettling these migrants in in our countries
01:32:10.480right um but in terms of what do you think this plays into it in gen z as well right because like
01:32:17.040okay it might be more conservative right wing among do you know if that's primarily among white
01:32:22.080white gen z men younger men or is it non-whites how does race and demographic changes play into
01:32:28.520gen z in terms of the general right wing trends within the generations yeah i have not looked at
01:32:35.540the numbers but i think whites generally have nearly all i mean you gotta discount like the
01:32:44.240total soy boy like pussies but anybody that's like self-respecting white guy is become has
01:32:50.620become very comfortable with white nationalism, white identitarianism as a default. And what's
01:32:56.760interesting is that was so, I don't know if there was a word growing up that we were more allergic
01:33:03.940to than the idea of a white supremacist, of a white nationalist, anything that pedestalized
01:33:11.160whiteness in any regard. But we broke through it pretty dang quickly, like to the point where now
01:33:18.300I don't think it's much of a concern for anyone to outwardly say that.
01:33:25.540I would say that to anybody, that that's what I am.
01:33:28.220And I would have said that when I was anonymous too, because what we found very rapidly is
01:47:48.140And at the end of the day, it's about what we do and how we affect the things we can't affect.
01:47:54.000But I think back to the point I said, we still have the reason why we're in the situation we're in is because we collectively, our people, our race, didn't take our responsibility.
01:48:02.320We allowed ourselves to be bamboozled by cheap calories and endless entertainment, essentially, right?
01:48:11.740we didn't uh pick up the tradition in that sense and and keep it alive right well i think what was
01:48:18.780particularly sinister about that and i don't know um maybe you were not exposed to this in
01:48:25.260the same way that i think my generation was but they taught us that all those vices were actually
01:48:32.700good for you like that that was your symbol of freedom and that it was healthy and that
01:48:40.620you should live life that way and i grew up believing that to a degree at least i mean i
01:48:46.940was juxtaposed with like understanding you know hard work through sports and things like that but
01:48:52.860more generally it's one thing to say you know it's bad to drink bad premarital sex whatever all that
01:48:59.900stuff and just not address it right like that's how i imagine it was kind of in the earlier days
01:49:07.500um, probably post sixties, but still earlier days, but they were telling from a systematic
01:49:12.460level from public school, like they were pushing you toward those behaviors. And, um, to do that
01:49:19.100to children is a remarkable level of, of either willful ignorance or let's be honest, evil. Um,
01:49:28.660and, and I actually do pride a lot of my generation. I don't know about the women,
01:49:33.220but the men in breaking that mold because you know our parent my parents they're uh gen x and
01:49:39.780most of my friends parents are gen x and they have no tradition no tradition nothing even the
01:49:45.380religious ones hardly have any tradition so we grew up in a traditionless world we didn't we're
01:49:50.180basically deracinated from our true countries of origin um sometimes even the the state of origin
01:49:57.700that you know previous generations had grown up in there was nothing tying us together to our
01:50:05.380ancestors in any regard um and you know that there's not to invoke like a song lyric but it
01:50:15.060it just explains it well um noel gallagher in one of his songs in oasis he's like um
01:50:20.820um we drink steal and we lie nobody tells us wrong so we don't know why or whatever like
01:50:27.840you just do it because nobody says it's wrong well it's even worse than that it's like we are told
01:50:32.200to do it and you you couple that with a lack of foundation a lack of tradition and that is just
01:50:38.760the perfect disaster and the the perfect storm to just create a complete crisis spiritually
01:50:45.680authentically meaning vision all the above yeah no exactly uh no and i can speak to that too it was
01:50:52.540it's a it's a generation of like nihilism nothing means anything endless like irony innuendos and
01:51:01.800it just you know hollowed out entirely and again just the way the establishment prefer it prefer
01:51:07.120it as i said because every every every elite you know preceding us have weaponized the younger
01:51:13.120generations in some kind of capacity or use them to to destroy them while thinking the actions that
01:51:18.240they're taking are somehow rebellious right they're being led by the pied piper straight
01:51:22.480into the trap essentially and they think like hey i'm i'm rebelling i'm you know i'm figuring
01:51:26.920shit out you know and then you realize hindsight uh no you're being led along well you know i think
01:51:32.520the best distillation of all that i'm sure you've heard of this friends giving right that is yeah
01:51:40.980I think that that is like the best example of all of those like rotten ideologies coming together of people being able to say like I can reject my familial obligations.
01:51:54.920I can reject my culture, people, and bring this conglomeration of probably very short and definitely not deep relationships altogether to simulate what I should have been doing as a longstanding tradition with people who really belonged to my tradition.
01:52:18.160It's like obfuscating it enough to check the box on it, but excavate all the meaning out of it.
01:52:24.920yeah it was it was never a show running called a modern family i'm looking for the articles i've
01:52:31.060seen a few of them but it's like family now means everything you know and and the and the interest
01:52:37.640that you rally around is some niche thing that you were part of some weird subculture online
01:52:43.000like furries or something and it's ironic yeah it's always ironic of course yeah nothing means
01:52:47.500anything or whatever and it's like a desperate attempt at like yes it's all simulacrums it's all
01:52:53.120fake um ideological association or thinking that you're into this one thing and that's now your
01:52:59.380identity and stuff like that right and for the most part let's be honest i mean of course there's
01:53:03.760other races that do that too but it's a very white thing you know i mean instead of then having your
01:53:08.300culture tradition heritage race folk as a central underpinning of it it's like the this band that we
01:53:15.860all listened to or something i mean and that's like part of your identity at all yeah it is um
01:53:22.180and it was some yeah i think it was actually pretty it was a good documentary um and he was
01:53:27.520a jewish guy douglas rush cough and so he'd inside of that there were subversive things but he still
01:53:34.440pointed out he might even have critiqued it for the wrong reasons in some cases but that doesn't
01:53:39.340mean what he did critique wasn't you know wasn't wrong right it was right uh but it was called
01:53:43.820Merchants of Cool. It was a PBS documentary back in the day, and he had
01:53:47.680one more. It was either follow-up or the one preceding Merchants of Cool.
01:53:51.720But he did put his finger on that. Again, in his view
01:53:55.780this was just some like, veiled, he didn't say it in these terms, but it was
01:53:59.740like, here's the evil kind of capitalist, you know, white
01:54:03.720people, I guess, or something, you know, kind of doing this. But he pinpointed
01:54:10.440cool, how this became a Madison Avenue, even Wall Street, then to a certain extent,
01:54:16.320industry, right? Of like appealing to kids and teenagers and youth or whatever. And it's not
01:54:21.660just, again, what he, I think, gets wrong there too, is this, they see it as, well, that's about
01:54:26.560profits or short-term gains by, you know, Black Rocks and holding companies or something. And it's
01:54:32.440like, actually, it's not. It's ultimately, it's about control. I even think the money in and of
01:54:36.460itself it's just a that's a means to an end ultimately i've always seen it as as control
01:54:41.640and and and the way you control people is to de-racinate them right make them into a as part
01:54:48.800of the you mentioned before at the gamification of life or like how uh predictability models or
01:54:54.020even ai or a supercomputer running like and they have these now like they've they've done this for
01:54:58.940decades i forget which branch of the military was a sandoz labor i was one of them the access to
01:55:06.060these supercomputers and there's like a little version of you and me in these supercomputers now
01:55:10.940it's way more advanced than that this is like a few decades ago but everyone's in there every
01:55:14.460statistical knowledge and info that they have on everyone is in there so that they can run
01:55:19.020predictability models like if we do this what happens what's the outcome right but the point
01:55:23.720is what i'm getting to is that it's a very complex picture especially the more differences you have
01:55:31.080But that's part of the process of homogenization itself.
01:55:34.120If you can distill down most humans into a few variables of very easily manipulatable inputs or whatever, it's much easier to control everybody.
01:55:43.820And it's much easier to predict everyone's behavior as well.