In this episode, the lovely Thais d'Escafant joins me from France to talk about the rise of Generation Identitaire and how she became the spokesperson for the far-right group Generation Identititeur. She talks about how she got into politics at the age of 18, her early days as a student activist, and her experience as a member of Generation Identity.
00:00:30.000Joining me from France is the lovely and bold Thais d'Escafant. She runs a popular YouTube channel, also a TikTok. She's on X and I think she was banned from Instagram. I'll ask her. And you may remember her as the spokesperson for Generation Identitaire. I also learned that her and I are featured in a university textbook. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Welcome, Thais. Welcome to the show.
00:00:55.480Thank you. Thank you for having me, Lena. I'm glad to be here.
00:00:59.320such a pleasure i remember first seeing you back in 2018 now you're still young but you were you
00:01:05.480were young you were like 19 years old i think you became the spokesperson for generation identitaire
00:01:10.680i thought this is cool you know we were covering it um you guys were doing you were doing media
00:01:16.240appearances and protests with the larger group against immigration and racism anti-blanc anti-white
00:01:23.760racism. And we were covering the migrant invasion of Europe in 2015. Man, that was a big eye opener
00:01:30.940and saw the rise of generation identity. Also around this time, the yellow vests were doing
00:01:37.340their thing. Was that like 2018? I think. So I know a lot has happened since then, good and bad.
00:01:44.040But let's go back to your early days of generation identity, because that was an important time for
00:01:50.500young european nationalists who were beginning to push back against forced european replacement
00:01:56.260multiculturalism and anti-white propaganda so how and why did you get involved at the time
00:02:05.060well um i started politics at the age of 18 as you said it was like in 2018 and um i uh
00:02:13.300I was interested in activism because I was starting my studies and like I was raised in a Catholic right-wing family, actually a big family because I have eight brothers and sisters, so I pretty much had my opinions for a very long time, but my family wasn't really involved in, you know, the politics actually.
00:02:39.900and but when I started to go to college to get my license I was really afraid like there was a
00:02:49.140cultural shock because you know when you are raised in a traditional family you also
00:02:55.940meet with other families like you like you know what's happening out there but you do not really
00:03:03.140confront it i was um i had a pretty preserved childhood uh even though my parents are not that
00:03:10.100rich but like you know there are catholic communities uh mostly whites so uh i did not
00:03:16.580have like this shock um that happened to me when i went to university like i remember very precisely
00:03:24.180when i took the subway to go to my classes and like i was maybe the the only french only white
00:03:30.740girl in the subway and i was so shocked about that my university was well known for also its
00:03:39.940very leftist far leftist views it was blocked all the time like it was really messed up and
00:03:48.980the location was literally in a how would i say that very replaced area but like
00:03:56.660um uh known for its uh departures for jihad like it was like this the the scenery uh a very leftist
00:04:08.100uh university aren't they all aren't there is there any right-wing university it's especially
00:04:14.020in france you know um there are some um like in uh la rochelle in paris but it's like two or three
00:04:22.260and uh also there are also private schools that you can pay uh where i went to as a as a kid like
00:04:28.820you know primary school etc but universities like yeah there are like two or three and uh
00:04:35.060and so yeah i i went to this public university and it was awful i felt very alone and then i started
00:04:41.540to um you know uh do my research to find other young people like thinking like me and uh that's
00:04:50.340That's how I was introduced actually to the leader of Generation Identity in my city,
00:05:01.500which was Toulouse, and I thought like, okay, this is the kind of group I want to be in.
00:05:08.360I love the energy, I love like how they look, it's, you know, it's also pretty much difficult
00:05:16.180to find young men and women who are proud, sorry,
00:05:55.380It was maybe like the 10th of June 2020 or something like that.
00:06:00.920It was like Black Lives Matter, a very big thing, like, you know, of course, from the US.
00:06:06.880But it started to come in France and we decided to have a huge banner saying, like, stop to anti-racism in front of a huge crowd of like maybe 30,000 people.
00:06:24.360We were on the top of a roof on a very popular place.
00:06:31.860i also i also remember the one that really stood out to me was the time you guys organized a border
00:06:37.200patrol in the pyrenees the the french spain border we can play a clip about this it was a defend
00:06:43.340europe and because the government wasn't doing a damn thing to stop all these invaders right so
00:06:48.840you know activists went out there they were showing their their presence with 30 activists
00:06:53.460or something they deployed their banners they patrolled with the drone this was a citizen
00:06:57.640border watch right you remember this man this was what year was this it was uh 2021 maybe just
00:07:06.000before uh like the the movement was banned actually by the government uh and yeah it was really
00:07:12.760something like uh it always gave me the chills to see the images yeah this one sparked major
00:07:19.020controversy actually everything you were doing with generation identity sparked uh you know
00:07:24.380major controversy i remember seeing lots of articles about it and the government went after
00:07:28.720you but i just want to give a background because generation identitaire comes from the broader
00:07:34.820identitarian movement which originated in france right so yeah i guess you can trace it back to
00:07:41.420people like elaine de benoit who i'd love to have on the show um and later guliami faye what can
00:07:47.080you tell us about that and them about like the the founders yeah like the the identitarian movement
00:07:54.340in france in general yeah um like uh generation identity was like the youth movement founded by
00:08:03.060a four uh person like there was a philippe vardon um i don't remember uh guillaume luit and two
00:08:10.740others uh sorry i don't remember that's okay but it was like uh yeah um uh the initiative to uh
00:08:17.460uh be more um close to uh the the youth because the the identitarianism uh was actually uh already
00:08:27.140a small thing in uh right-wing french politics but it was a bit niche and um they understood that
00:08:35.220uh it was um the the youth actually is the uh the future and we have to speak about them like um
00:08:43.460some, you know, there was already some thinkers like Guillaume Fay, authors and
00:08:51.620like men more like the in their 40s or 50s talking about identitarianism. But it's really
00:08:59.460generation identity that put these ideas to a larger audience. And yeah, it was a really good
00:09:08.580idea and the idea also was to you know um it was um a bit frightening these ideas to uh the french
00:09:19.220the french in general but also the french right wing politics because it had this image of like
00:09:24.420skinhead things and the idea with generation identity was to put new faces and like to to
00:09:32.420show we are normal just as you uh we uh do not have the same code as uh you know the the old
00:09:40.580uh far-right uh movements in france we want to yeah to to have something more most sorry more
00:09:49.460modern and uh so yeah it was basically the idea uh first the the colors were um black and yellow
00:09:59.140and it was it were also still, you know, connoted with the skinhead groups also. That's why they0.55
00:10:07.780changed to blue and white. And really, the idea was to refresh these ideas. And now the
00:10:16.100identitarianism is much more popular in French right wing.0.87
00:10:21.460It's ridiculous because it's not extreme. This is how our ancestors always thought their France0.58
00:10:26.340was for the french like this is not extreme europe was for the europeans our ancestors didn't
00:10:32.900build this for everyone else to come and pillage you know so no i think the extremists are the
00:10:38.660ones who are trying to destroy france who are trying to destroy europe like they're the ones
00:10:43.460who need to be shamed exactly like it seems crazy to have to fight to say so so basic things i agree
00:10:51.860with you but uh the french especially um they are very um you know uh rooted to anti-racism and it's0.73
00:11:00.260really uh uh really um how would i say it's uh frustrating i would say yes exactly and i don't
00:11:10.500know how why is it the french in particular you know all the revolutions and all this stuff why
00:11:14.980is it that they always tend to be more left it's very very frustrating like what is it you think
00:11:20.900about the french mind have you thought about that i mean there's some great right-wing people but
00:11:25.060there's a lot of leftists yeah yeah but i think that french uh france always had this thing to
00:11:31.380to know lead the other nations of europe and to be like um uh you know the the the new um um
00:11:39.940the new ideas like uh more modern uh uh people and um in the good ways and also in the bad ways
00:11:47.380you know we we are the ones that really uh made identitarianism popular but also uh like you have
00:11:54.180the the lumière of the french revolution as you said and um yeah french people have this thing to
00:12:00.660think themselves as uh superior and a bit better uh from the other europeans like
00:12:07.220we are more modern and civilized but sometimes it's just uh you know there's backlash
00:12:13.140it's just not in the better ways yeah well they don't act like white supremacists when it comes
00:12:19.620to migrants do they oh jeez I wish they would you know I wish they would be stuck up when it
00:12:25.040came to migrants like no you're not welcome here yeah I also think like there is this1.00
00:12:31.920this thing with the Catholicism in France like sadly I'm a Christian myself I was raised as a
00:12:42.520Catholic. So it's not like that I don't like Catholicism, but I think that this is this
00:12:49.340pervert link with the universalism. Oh, yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yes. And it's really
00:12:57.920consuming us. And it was really frustrating even for me. That's my Catholic fellow people.
00:13:07.020yeah like if you ask them would you rather have your daughter married to a pagan or atheist white
00:13:16.500guy or a black christian arab catholic and most of them would be like yeah the catholic is very
00:13:24.960important and it just drives me mad to hear some things and i i can assure you that most of french
00:13:32.960white-wing people could say that, and it's really a shame. So that's why also I fought to
00:13:40.620impose most the identitarianism. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, there's a note here. So between 1789 and
00:13:51.9401802, an estimated, what was it, 1.4 million people, this is in France, died as a result of
00:13:56.540the revolution and the subsequent Revolutionary War. So during the reign of terror, this was 1793,
00:14:02.9601794 roughly 17 000 to 50 000 people were killed while hundreds of thousands more died in the civil
00:14:09.800war of the vend right the vend so they killed the resistance to liberalism but i would think you
00:14:16.000know new babies are born all the time right i mean some good stock was left over like you and and
00:14:21.720your family yeah yeah of course like uh demography is the the key uh and uh hopefully the you know
00:14:31.740people like us have a tendency to have more children than liberals and leftists
00:14:38.980but still it's like really a struggle because when you make when you allow
00:14:46.780it's 500,000 legal migrants to come to France every single year and it
00:14:55.940represents the size of the fifth most important city uh of france which is uh nice uh it's really
00:15:04.180huge and i'm just talking about like legal immigration so and you can't keep up with that
00:15:09.940i mean the the third world is endless people you know two billion in in china a billion in india
00:15:16.660however another billion in africa we can't q we can't keep up with that even if we were all to
00:15:21.620have you know 50 kids or something it's and it shouldn't have to be population wars it shouldn't
00:15:26.980have to be that we should just be able to reclaim our countries and i do want to talk about the
00:15:31.380re-migration movement but i just want to ask you uh what can you tell us about the the legal cases
00:15:36.660that happened with generation identitaire was dissolved by the french government in 2021
00:15:42.260tell us why it was banned what's their legal reason are there things you can't talk about now still
00:15:48.260yeah uh um i i wouldn't know how to um make you realize how much there is no freedom of speech in
00:15:57.380france uh like i'm very jealous of your freedom of speech in the us because here we are not allowed
00:16:04.740to say anything uh i am like the most radical uh french girl in the right-wing politics and
00:16:13.380most of them are really you know soft and yeah but they are not like all that like that they are0.97
00:16:19.460good also immigrants this is really exhausting and generation identity was the most acceptable
00:16:27.700and fashionable i would say a right-wing movement that was the the most radical in a good way and1.00
00:16:35.460so we were really a target for the government and the media they couldn't stand to have this
00:16:42.260appealing group of nice nice guys and women and so they keep they kept attacking us and they
00:16:53.300pretty much won in the end like for generational entity because the government started to open a
00:16:59.460case to dissolve ban the movements it's it was too popular and it made so much you know like
00:17:11.140buzz yeah for sure and uh and yes so we were the main targets and it happened right after the
00:17:18.500government closed a um a uh radical uh mosque uh so it was like in um in the politics of emmanuel
00:17:28.820macron to show like okay we uh we can um satisfy the uh right wing uh by closing for example this
00:17:38.020mosque and also the left wing by banning generational entity as if it was comparable0.59
00:17:45.220as if it was the same like we are as extreme as an islamist mosque from the point of view0.70
00:17:52.340of the government which is crazy i could say to you that every time we were organizing an
00:18:00.020an action, we were very, you know, precautious about where we, our point of meeting, et cetera,
00:18:09.940and all the details of the actions, because we had like the general, the police, they had access
00:18:16.500to our phones, they knew exactly where we were going to. Surveillance, they were monitoring
00:18:22.740and surveilling you guys yeah yeah totally 100 uh i'm 100 sure that we have our phones on listening
00:18:31.540you know uh so it's a common thing here when you are involved in politics uh to know these these
00:18:39.140things to be aware of that so um uh this and also like we for every uh uh you know basic uh
00:18:47.940things we are going to say like i was uh sued several times for saying such thing as uh
00:18:57.380immigration is a threat for the french people uh and i was condemned to six months of uh
00:19:04.980jail suspended prison sentence yeah exactly yes yes so six months and also a three thousand um
00:19:13.380um 3 000 euros to give uh like to uh anti-racist uh uh associations and stuff oh my gosh yeah and
00:19:24.240uh like uh even now i'm still sued for things i said when i was at generation and cd and it's
00:19:31.160it's really uh it's really exhausting so you're still dealing with ongoing court cases still
00:19:36.740yeah yeah still um like um uh right now like the the next um 18th of june i will have the
00:19:46.820deliberate of a uh of a case like that because i just said like the the main danger for uh french
00:19:53.640women are uh immigrant african uh black and arabs men and so i am risking jail too uh which is crazy
00:20:02.320i haven't heard about any of this we need to put this on blast with everyone who speaks english to
00:20:06.280help and support you i mean this is like v uh dries von logenhoff and martin selner like they've
00:20:11.980all had these attacks happen as well right and they were kind of part of they were part of
00:20:16.120offshoots of generation identity right and everyone's kind of still dealing with lawsuits
00:20:21.160from several years ago yeah yeah um well that's true that i did not communicate this well on that
00:20:29.020because i was really exhausted like it's been like six years since i am i'm involved in in
00:20:34.620politics but my fault i'm gonna do that but um but yeah so the government banned generation
00:20:41.580identity uh because it was like a hate group uh because it was a violent group we have obviously
00:20:48.620no case of violence against anyone our actions were really pacific and uh it all happened really
00:20:56.380well every time but um yeah we were like um um how would you say like a spine in the in the shoe
00:21:05.900like you don't know a rock in the shoe yeah yeah yeah rock and shoe um yeah and um and so uh and
00:21:16.540so yeah they they also said like we have um in our summer universities we uh wore uh the same t-shirts
00:21:24.140they use that to say look it's a paramilitarian yes anytime it's it's guys working out who happen
00:21:31.500to be right wing it's like some terrorist paramilitary group you know exactly see they0.95
00:21:37.980have a boxing group they uh they are training for war and uh such a ridiculous thing but you0.99
00:21:44.060have foreigners in your country doing that who actually are terrorists yeah yeah but like they0.97
00:21:50.780seem to deploy much more efforts and money to sue us, to attack us, to put us in jail.1.00
00:22:01.660Whereas like many immigrants who assault women are free, like they're not pursued by the police1.00
00:22:09.980because the police say that there are too many and they cannot manage all of the cases. Myself,1.00
00:22:18.780even myself i was uh attacked by a tunisian migrants uh even not because i was you know0.68
00:22:26.380exposed and i was uh assaulted because i'm a woman and um in uh he like he tried to rape me
00:22:36.300like in two it was like in 2022 uh hopefully i um i was safe uh but uh like i could have been
00:22:46.620raped you know and um my uh my uh found this uh assaulter uh is still free like i think i saw i
00:22:58.140think i saw an article about that and they were trying to claim that basically like oh that didn't0.80
00:23:02.180really happen you know they just kind of downplay it and remember when they used to be like crazy
00:23:07.460feminists and you know believe all women and this whole me too movement and the feminists of france0.92
00:23:13.220who walk around topless and do like where are they now are they like i don't i don't hear a1.00
00:23:17.700damn thing about this stuff you know right yeah they were claiming that i was lying because no0.56
00:23:23.780no it's too obvious like this girl is fighting against immigration and oh a migrant uh has0.99
00:23:28.760assaulted her yeah actually yeah because it's real and it's happening to a lot of women every
00:23:34.700day and uh it happened to me and um it could happen to any other girl and um my own sister was
00:23:43.660uh you know a um how would you say uh uh like when you testify when you are a witness a witness
00:23:53.660thank you she was a witness of a terrorist assault in 2024 i think in paris so uh you know it can
00:24:02.000happen to every single girl in my own family. We are two girls that were who faced the consequences
00:24:10.940of immigration. And yeah, it's real. And it's getting worse every day. Exactly. Because that's
00:24:18.280the thing. Like, OK, there's these court cases and they're like, oh, you're an extremist. And
00:24:22.360how dare you and all this. But France today, like you have been vindicated. You know, you're one of
00:24:27.520the OGs like us I mean it's worse now than 2018 you're proven right it's non-stop violence it's0.98
00:24:34.920riots it's anti-white hate it's rape women are constantly assaulted you can't even go to the0.90
00:24:40.600Eiffel Tower anymore you know forget Paris I've been there I remember the Eiffel Tower going up0.98
00:24:46.220when it was beautiful and now it's like you know girls get harassed there I see tourism videos all
00:24:50.920the time of women getting harassed by migrants that are hanging out there I mean what can you
00:24:56.860say about france today even since your activism well it's pretty depressing because uh yeah it's0.69
00:25:05.340getting worse and i just think that the right-wing french politics are too soft and uh and yeah it's
00:25:14.540yeah it's really depressed depressing actually um like i left i um i lived in paris for two years
00:25:22.240I left and now I'm living in a much more preserved area of France but still they are starting to
00:25:31.200have cases of you know assaults also it's not really a phenomenon as in other areas of France
00:25:41.280but even here it's happening so I don't know like really I don't know I don't know what's
00:25:46.560um i think france is really uh disappearing uh each each day more than the the day before and i
00:25:57.360i just don't know how we can do um anything uh except remigrate these people and still the the
00:26:06.880french right wing is afraid to talk about remigration uh the only area you will hear
00:26:13.680about re-migration are the activists uh areas um groups but uh it's it's not enough it's not enough
00:26:23.360like we are losing ground every day and uh i i don't know what's going to happen of french
00:26:29.600identity to be honest yeah speaking of re-migration yeah generation identity you know it did spread
00:26:35.760across europe right it went into uk and germany and austria played a major role in in mainstreaming
00:26:41.360the concept of remigration within the broader white identitarian movements i'd also say the
00:26:47.660identitarian movements also influenced a lot of american activism as well like different groups
00:26:53.740that we've seen through the years that kind of got that model also there was the nordic resistance
00:26:57.940but you know it's evolved into this wider remigration push across european political
00:27:04.540right-wing circles now i know you're happy to see this we're all happy to see this but is it true to
00:27:09.920the vision or is it getting washed down and co-opted by civic nationalists in europe because
00:27:16.620i see a little bit of that happening yeah um like let's just re-migrate the bad ones kind of thing
00:27:24.020you know not like let's re-migrate all of them this is so annoying and this is the main discourse
00:27:30.000in france uh like uh there is a basically not a single politic that uh has an identitarian view
00:27:39.600they are like uh as you said the the the civilian nation um uh nationality like they are bad ones
00:27:47.600but they do not represent the majority of them uh you know a uh like the um the immigrant descent0.96
00:27:56.560is as french as us uh it's always the discourse you hear so like yeah i'm really a bit jealous of
00:28:05.200other European countries where the identitarianism is more popular and like I saw the Save Europe
00:28:15.120Act and it's really great but not a single French politic has shared it you know only in a small
00:28:23.920activist group as I spoke to you about and so yeah it's really not as radical as it should be and
00:28:34.400And so, yeah, I think actually that maybe the future of the European countries, if white people want to survive, is to gather, to have small communities or to actually leave the country and to gather in more Eastern European countries who are more preserved.
00:28:56.920uh i think that this is pretty much the the future that is um is uh in front of us actually
00:29:04.440that's hard that's hard you know because there's still so many good french people but you're up
00:29:09.560against your own people who are fighting you we're all up against our own people that are fighting0.86
00:29:15.020us like no other race deals with this garbage so it's it's even harder and i just wanted to remind
00:29:21.040people in france like the kind of activism you guys were doing like justice for for elise i think we
00:29:26.380have a clip that generation identitaire did for that and then as a reminder 2015 there was a yeah
00:29:32.380this was a 24 year old french girl who was raped and murdered by a sudanese migrant her boyfriend
00:29:37.460was also killed yeah i remember we were talking about these things we were getting banned on
00:29:42.080youtube and everywhere like we could just you could not talk about this stuff 10 years ago right
00:29:46.220at 2016 the best deal day the the terrorist attack i'm never going to forget that image of that
00:29:51.660little girl who was dead on the street with her doll and like we still don't know who she is
00:29:56.940like what's her story that was that was a heartbreaking one this is 10 years ago right
00:30:02.340can't forget Lola 2022 you know cut up in a suitcase tortured and you know dismembered and
00:30:10.040just absolutely horrific I don't understand how French people can continue to put up with it
00:30:14.820because it keeps happening they just say oh it's one bad apple it's one bad apple but we're seeing
00:30:18.640it all across europe but now you know 10 years ago we were talking about these things and we
00:30:23.900took a lot of hits we lost our youtube channel bank accounts like everything but now i see a
00:30:28.860lot more people talking about it especially in america i know france you've got some free speech
00:30:34.240issues but i see also the henry nowak the the the white lives matter protests that are going on are
00:30:41.200Are you seeing any of those in France?
00:30:43.800Yeah, there was no protest for Henry Novak, like not really, actually.1.00
00:30:52.220I have this feeling that the French people, they are very lazy, like, and a bit coward.1.00
00:31:00.020I'm sorry, I'm French, I love my country, I love my people, obviously, but I have to1.00
00:31:05.380compare and to see that, like, even in Britain, they are more involved.
00:31:11.100They go in the streets, there are huge protests.
00:31:15.380You cannot organize anything like that in France.
00:32:04.220I don't know. And then did you hear Jared Taylor? I don't know if you're familiar with Jared Taylor.
00:32:07.780We love him. But while there was riots going on, there's riots going on every week there in France.
00:32:13.020But while there's riots going on, he was in Paris and autographing some French translations of his book that was going to be put in the identitarian bookstore.
00:32:23.560And then the police came to visit these identitarians who are basically having like a book club meeting.
00:32:29.560and the cops are like you can't you can't do this this is this is dangerous and this is causing
00:32:35.380trouble and like he's like laughing here jared like this picture like what are you talking about
00:32:40.700here's you know here's some good french guys just hanging out talking about his book talking about0.96
00:32:46.680the real world that they're seeing while there's you know shit burning outside you know because0.92
00:32:52.440some someone lost a football game right it's like any excuse to riot anymore yeah did you hear about0.92
00:32:58.300this at all was there any french papers talking about jared taylor yeah of course i uh i heard
00:33:03.380about this uh like you know the group uh is um uh les natifs it's uh like the the native person
00:33:11.120who were a generation identity uh who recreated uh a group uh in paris it's called les natifs so
00:33:18.140these are the activists i was talking about uh but yeah like it's crazy the the police is uh
00:33:24.860um going at these small events and after this they're saying like uh you know police cannot
00:33:30.780be everywhere we cannot deal with every uh rapist or assault and uh but they have free time to come
00:33:38.700and uh annoy a small conference this is insane this is literally insane like the the the pressure
00:33:47.260of uh the justice on the activists here is uh crazy um and uh and and yeah people are there
00:33:56.060are very a few people who are brave enough to stand up and speak but there are not many and
00:34:03.660even the like you know the the rassemblement national which is the main french right-wing
00:34:10.700party uh hasn't spoke about it they they do not care because they estimate like that
00:34:15.420Jerry Taylor or these activists are two extremists extremists yeah extreme for
00:34:22.540wanting to preserve your people and survive you know have oh my god god's
00:34:27.420forbid we have France for the French people so extreme it's it's so yeah it's1.00
00:34:32.520just outrageous to me you know and then fine I feel like okay fine you just die1.00
00:34:36.980off then just die off and then you know like the the strong French will survive1.00
00:34:42.060and take over yeah yeah and then and then of course you're a lot i mean is there any right
00:34:47.140wing parties with game i mean because what i noticed too across europe and i know you probably
00:34:50.360can't say too much about this but it's like there's a lot of israel first they care more
00:34:54.340about israel seems like the right wing parties than their own countries right right this is
00:35:00.360very exhausting exactly they are more concerned about what's going on in israel but not in their
00:35:07.240own country when like people like us who are fighting the same struggle are are being sued
00:35:15.080and put in prison and so yeah you showed images of some girls trying to have like a small gathering
00:35:25.240in to for Henry Novak but like as I said it's there are small initiatives of activists
00:35:34.520um but uh not like really uh there is no institution who spoke about this and uh so yeah
00:35:43.080so but as you showed like jordan exactly what i said like he's more concerned about the
00:35:49.480the israeli uh issue it's like are they getting money i i don't understand is this part of their
00:35:55.400religion or is it money or like what's their reasoning for you know i think this is there is
00:36:00.340money involved, to be sure, even in some activist groups. I know, but I can't say the name, but
00:36:10.040like, yes, there is Israeli money in the French right wing. It's really exhausting.
00:36:17.540And it's kind of circling around some of that re-migration camp, too. I see that happening,1.00
00:36:23.060you know, they're like, kind of trying to take that over for them. Yeah, let's deport the Muslims.1.00
00:36:27.800yeah the ones that their NGOs helped bring in yes okay so you were fourth of nine kids in a large0.99
00:36:39.280practicing Catholic is this true aristocratic family is this is this true or is this okay
00:36:44.860so tell us about that yes growing up well um as you said I was uh I grew up in uh in this
00:36:53.880Catholic aristocratic family I could say but you know when you say aristocratic many people think
00:37:00.400like you're rich or something we are definitely not but it's more like a heritage like a cultural
00:37:07.940every heritage most of these families are very catholic very they practice the religion a lot
00:37:15.480because some people like say they believe in something but they do not actually go to mass
00:37:20.120etc uh in in my family they are very involved in uh in religion and um and so yeah it was
00:37:28.440how was it um well i had a pretty common childhood but as i said i was um in um christian schools
00:37:39.320uh and also in the you know the scouts um and um there is there are very very small communities but
00:37:47.800there are white Catholic communities and I grew up with this environment so as I said I wasn't
00:37:55.880really aware of the reality of what my parents were describing to me like you know France is
00:38:04.440drowning this is really bad like we are coming in in really dark times etc and I really saw the
00:38:15.400the reality of it when I went into the world.
00:38:18.820Yes, as always, red pilled by reality.
00:38:22.860Yes, you grow up and you learn things, you know, when you come out of your nice little
00:38:26.700secluded, you know, I would say that here, the people that grow up in the nice white1.00
00:38:30.760neighborhoods are always the most retarded with this stuff because they haven't actually0.99
00:38:34.900lived, they don't have the lived experience of, you know, diversity or whatever.1.00
00:38:40.060Yeah, even though in the kind of families I'm describing you, they are still
00:38:44.480very right-wing. So, yes, it's a good thing. Not all Christians, of course, in France are
00:38:53.180right-wing, but there are still many of them. I think that maybe the majority of the Catholics
00:39:02.300in France are right-wing, not very identitarian, but still they are still right-wing, like soft0.61
00:39:09.560right wing at least uh so do your are your parents and your peers like come on ties you need to have
00:39:15.540like six kids by now yeah come on what's going on my my parents would really much uh love having
00:39:24.020lots of great grandchildren uh so so yeah they are not pressuring us but it's still a thing like
00:39:33.120we uh we just um know that uh we we will have uh as much as children as we we we can uh also
00:39:43.100because like the christian discourse is like be open to life uh you know be fruitful and multiply
00:39:49.060and i think that's a good idea anyway especially right now yes yeah so after oh sorry go on no no
00:39:57.160I was only going to add like that it was I developed more a ethnocentric vision
00:40:08.760apart from the religion discourse like and also red pill a bit my family about this like
00:40:16.040you know it's good to multiply and have many children as Catholics but you know we also like
00:40:22.840france is also what it is because it was white and they knew it for sure but like it's it's
00:40:28.840better to put some words to it yeah sometimes you just have to be forward and not mince words and
00:40:33.880just be very clear so there's no misunderstanding it's just out in the open i think that's very
00:40:40.200important so after generation identity after it was dissolved or forcefully dissolved it appears
00:40:46.520that you kind of shifted your online contents you went you know anti-feminist european patriarchy
00:40:53.160prioritizing family um you know i want to know about your motivation for this obviously it's
00:40:58.520still very much all related to the war on white so it's an important topic i mean using feminism
00:41:04.200to bring about less births among europeans this actually happened but tell us your motivation for
00:41:09.320that switch well there were several motivations uh first as you said the the ban of the of the
00:41:16.360movement i was involved in uh it really um was a hard um strike on my uh um how i would say my uh
00:41:26.840reputation my happiness it was really hard to it was really hard to uh uh also the reputation yes
00:41:35.400but uh uh it was hard to accept that and uh for some years um like we were very uh discreet and
00:41:46.360I would say, careful about what we were saying because the censorship was awful and I had like maybe 20 Instagram accounts banned, my Twitter account was banned, then also before Elon Musk would, you know, buy Twitter, at that time it wasn't the case, so like I had no Instagram, no Facebook, no Twitter.
00:42:14.640and the only social medias I had were YouTube and Telegram.
00:42:22.480And so, yeah, I realized that maybe to survive,
00:42:28.880I had to maybe for a while not speak about these topics
00:42:33.420because I couldn't be able to soften on these topics.
00:42:38.520So it was better not to speak about them.
00:43:11.460and um and they were so proud and they get their woman leader talking it's just like oh yeah yeah
00:43:17.060i know and actually i was i was kind of aware that my own case like the media were interested
00:43:23.220by me uh because you were a woman yeah yeah of course i knew that so i um i never hid myself
00:43:30.180behind my finger it's an expression i don't know if you have it but i never like oh no it's because
00:43:35.780i have talent or like of course i love to um spoke uh to speak sorry about these topics i love the
00:43:44.020having interviews etc but i never uh you know um uh i would say um uh ignore the fact that of course
00:43:54.580they would listen to me more because i was a woman i was a woman same and it's it's really sad
00:44:01.220actually to take the you know the place of men but because i have it and that's how the the word
00:44:07.700um the the media world is working so yes i think in your case there's a very important value
00:44:13.800because it's about attracting you know women attract other women i've been saying this for
00:44:17.740years right and so that was important and your work was like i mean come on if we're gonna have0.95
00:44:23.360women working in anything politically it's about saving saving our race and saving your ethnic your
00:44:28.900your legacy your ancestry your people your country like yeah i'm never gonna say no to that1.00
00:44:33.940but i'm saying no to these like you know fake civic nationalist feminist women who are they're0.94
00:44:39.700not gonna do shit to help us okay yeah i know so i wanted to have like a um a complete and full0.95
00:44:48.660discourse on every topic like okay i'm an identitarian but i'm also anti-feminist and0.90
00:44:54.000I'm not renouncing my positions on any of these topics and I was really I knew that the right wing French right wing was a bit feminist but not at this level you know I was a bit shocked by the reactions but anyway I still continue to talk about this and to say that okay it is important to fight against immigration of course but French identity is also based on like patriarchal you know civilization
00:45:24.000and it's great uh we have to defend it also and like men we need you to be uh more masculine0.71
00:45:30.780uh we need you uh to stop being sims for any any right-wing girl who will stop giving your money
00:45:39.480to e-girls yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's still an issue but anyway and um so uh so yeah it was
00:45:47.040also a topic um which interested me at that at that time because you know i'm a young french
00:45:52.780girl uh i'm um i'm younger and i'm um you know at the the age where you are interested in these
00:46:01.980topics because we are all looking for a partner uh to build a life to have a family and so um at a
00:46:09.420individual and personal level um i was interested in female psychology and masculine psychology
00:46:17.580to understand uh what are what are our differences and um and so yeah uh it was also like because it
00:46:26.940interested me uh like uh yeah yeah i happened to see when i was kind of googling around about you
00:46:34.860i was like oh my gosh we're both in this university textbook there's a chapter dedicated to just you
00:46:41.100in me this is coming out in 2026 influencers of the far-right gendered narratives and the
00:46:47.240conspiracy discourse of ties to escafan and lana lochtaf i was like wow that's actually how i was
00:46:52.700like oh yeah that girl i remember that girl i was like i need to reach out and interview her this is
00:46:58.420hilarious you know and then i put it together of like oh you were the girl that i saw all those
00:47:02.640years ago and stuff so i thought this was funny so i was looking through it and it's like oh my
00:47:07.400gosh all the money that goes into this the eu money and i think there was danish money and french
00:47:13.240money and just all this right and so this chapter analyzes how two prominent female far-right0.64
00:47:19.860influencers and they call me american swedish which i'm actually russian yes i'm in america1.00
00:47:24.780but i'm russian so they can't even get that right use gendered narratives within conspiracy discourse1.00
00:47:30.200it examines the way these women embed gendered themes such as traditional femininity anti-feminism1.00
00:47:36.420family roles and threats to natural gender orders and broader conspiracy theories these theories0.99
00:47:42.420often involve white genocide demographic replacement cultural marxism or elite plots
00:47:47.420against traditional western societies um and then it talks about how they're softening extremism
00:47:53.060and and getting people to accept it and it's like yeah because it's true that's why people accept it
00:47:59.140because it's true what we're saying and like it's it's funny because i feel like they're 10 years
00:48:04.640behind when I read some of these and some of the quotes they put in there was like from stuff from
00:48:09.080like 2017 is like where are where have you people been the last 10 years like this is old news no
00:48:15.180one cares about this right I was really glad that you reached out to me because I was feeling a bit
00:48:23.000alone with my views like on both topics and I'm always really glad to see also a beautiful white
00:48:31.920family you know and uh uh so um so so yeah really uh you know family goal well hopefully some other
00:48:40.360people read this and whatever universities this is going in uh this this one is albori university
00:48:46.320but they pass this stuff around it's still in production so hopefully there's women that read
00:48:50.200this that are in university and then they go and like look us up and are like actually i agree with
00:48:55.240these women because time is just proving us right you know they're these aren't theories of0.87
00:49:00.760demographic replacement okay or like cultural marxism or that there's a plot against traditional
00:49:07.300western society this is not a theory this is a fact like we're seeing it happen this is crazy
00:49:13.480like it's conspiracy but uh it's uh it's forcing you to change districts it's forcing you to uh
00:49:20.520not stay uh out too long like at night because you you know you're afraid to get assaulted but
00:49:26.560it's conspiracy theory you know you know exactly what kind of men you are afraid about in the
00:49:31.840street you know exactly that um everyone like the the black people the asian people everyone
00:49:38.320they can be proud of who they are except the white people yes so everyone knows it but like they are0.94
00:49:44.720just too coward or afraid to say it and they are uh submitting to the the main discourse like uh0.94
00:49:51.440i think there there are some um you know evolutionary uh explanations to that like you
00:49:58.160you submit to the dominance group to survive you know i think there is this maybe instinct
00:50:05.840that many people are you know are expressing by uh shutting down themselves on on that but deep
00:50:14.000down they all know it's it's it's obvious yeah these books keep coming out i kind of think like
00:50:18.640Like I hear less about the feminist movement, at least in America.
00:50:21.460I think it's with with Trump and all that.
00:50:23.300But there was another book, the women of the far right.
00:50:25.740And this was like a little too late, babe.
00:59:52.240Yeah, yeah, it's sacred. And it's, you know, there is an obvious link between white families,0.85
00:59:59.560identitarianism, and also women having, you know, moral judgment and not behaving like,0.98
01:00:05.820you know, yeah, you know what, like, sorry. But yeah, and yes, some people just don't understand
01:00:15.020the link between that. It's crazy to me. But yeah, I think that some women, because of their
01:00:20.040education but also because of who they are and uh you know they understand that their body is0.98
01:00:25.640sacred you you do not have to to do uh anything uh you know um everything and anything with it
01:00:32.200uh like it have consequences it can hurt you uh it can uh you know um traumatize you and uh but
01:00:40.780some women sadly didn't have maybe uh good parents uh who didn't protect them that's why it's
01:00:47.340important for women to speak out and older women to you know educate younger girls on on the
01:00:52.920potential pitfalls and the mistakes and the blind spots and you know a lot a lot of us when we're
01:00:58.340really young I mean you figure things out at a young age but a lot of young people I'd say across
01:01:03.960the board you know they have all these blind spots they don't see things I mean how many of us that
01:01:08.800are older look back and like oh my god if I would have realized that when I was you know 21 or
01:01:14.280something could have saved myself a lot of troubles yeah of course obviously and it's also like0.95
01:01:20.800because i have i still have a empathy for these women like they they need we need to to to tell
01:01:27.160them the truth like uh it's not um it's not doing them a favor to uh to be afraid to speak about
01:01:35.000these topics because we do not want to offend them but yeah but it's still reality they will
01:01:40.140be hurt by these behaviors so so we have to reinstall like a strict discourse on this
01:01:49.680you know we we do not have to be soft I think on this topic and and also I was going to say
01:01:58.120that yeah I think it's important also to not let you know the the the discourse about preserving
01:02:06.740your body and not doing uh everything and anything to it uh we do not have to let this discourse be
01:02:12.900the the muslim discourse because you know there is this discourse in france but most of the people0.92
01:02:17.940relating to it are religious people but you know muslims and uh it's a shame like where are the0.74
01:02:24.500the good men and women who uh who know their value and um who are not falling for this uh
01:02:30.900liberal where you can do what you want and nothing will happen to you or your mind
01:02:36.740So, yeah, I think it's important to speak about it. And that's also why I did it. Yeah, it's built into our biology. You know, when it feels wrong, you know, when you know it, you know, it, you know, when you look in the mirror and you're like, this doesn't feel right. I don't look right. Oh, I just wanted to show you. I think you had reposted this message. What was it in Russia? This was on X. Russia recommends sending women age 18 to 49 who do not want children to a psychiatrist.
01:03:02.100maybe they need yeah maybe they need to work out some mom shit you know that might be part of it1.00
01:03:11.160because there's always there's usually a reason you know why yeah why women don't think about1.00
01:03:17.160certain things until late or if at all you know yeah they also need to like hold children uh to
01:03:26.560you know be around children and the the sad reality is that people are are making less and
01:03:33.760less babies so a lot of women are just not exposed to them and it's you know they do not then feel
01:03:42.240the need to have one also you know and and also of course many of them maybe it's trauma maybe
01:03:49.360it's also selfishness because you know the society tells us that it's comfort comfort is important
01:03:55.360you have to have money to have a good life and children are going to rob you from your money and
01:04:02.000so yeah it's it's a very um selfish discourse that we are selling women like they will be free if
01:04:08.960they do not have kids free of their time free to do whatever they want and uh and then they just
01:04:14.960binge watch netflix that's all they do with their life like oh you should be so proud you just drink
01:04:20.880can watch tv i'm in my dream and it's better than i imagined your kid uh your kid is uh is um
01:04:28.640sorry like um um keeping you away from netflix oh my god what a disaster and uh and and so so
01:04:39.920but like time flies so fast and if we do not uh tell the truth to girls and uh put a little
01:04:46.160bit of pressure uh i think there is same pressure and uh you know um not saying pressure but it's
01:04:54.080also loving advice you know yeah yeah encouragement take your time to to choose the the right one
01:05:01.520the right man of course but you know uh by 30 your your fertility is already declining and uh
01:05:08.800and it's important to not wake up at 40 and be like oh my god actually i maybe wanted to have
01:05:13.600children yeah like no man wants to find a to found a family with me and it's sad actually it's really
01:05:20.480sad yeah yep last question for you because i know a lot of guys watch yes dating advice for male
01:05:26.640viewers i know that's a big one or guys who think that they want a wife like you i'm sure everyone's0.97
01:05:32.480gonna ask you if you're single how does a guy catch a wife like you what does it take i would
01:05:39.840say that um um good men like uh appeal to women naturally because uh you know um if you want to
01:05:49.520have a good wife a good girl uh who is well preserved who has nice views uh you know there
01:05:56.080are not so many of them and so uh it's sad but nowadays it's uh getting more and more rare so
01:06:02.960you have to focus on yourself you have to uh become like a man who can provide for his family
01:06:09.520who can defend it uh you have to to uh you know uh be um confident about yourself i know it's
01:06:17.040an easy thing to say but when you achieve things in life such as a good job or you have you are
01:06:24.480helping your family it's things like that that give you gives you confidence you know uh like um
01:06:30.480uh the you know the the coaches on the internet they're saying like if you want to be proud of
01:06:36.080yourself you have to accept who you are and bullshit like that i think that to to get
01:06:40.720confidence is by achieving hard things you cannot become um um fully development if you uh never0.93
01:06:49.920faced uh the the hardness the hardness of reality like harsh things uh you have to confront yourself
01:06:57.840to difficult situations and things uh like um maybe uh first of all to uh to to dare to speak
01:07:06.800out when you are you don't agree with someone maybe on policy on politics subjects uh instead of
01:07:13.920a um of a sorry of a instead of saying of staying quiet uh maybe it's also like uh uh yeah
01:07:23.600helping your family you know in their finances or maybe to sorry to be able to fix things you know
01:07:36.880sport of course it's also very important in the development of a man to to be confronted to
01:07:42.880frustration also all these things will make you a better man and if you are a good man i'm sure a
01:07:49.920good woman will love you. I do not have a fear about that. Exactly. If you build it,
01:07:57.360they will come. If you work on yourself, right, you will attract that best mate. I think there
01:08:03.960really is like a spiritual concept of that, right? You can't just be doom and gloom,
01:08:10.620you know, just blackpilled all the time and then expect like that's going to happen. No. Yeah,
01:08:15.020exactly work on yourself in the meantime and then it will she will present herself and then you'll
01:08:21.260ask her out yeah actually you know the the the um like the the advices we hear uh it's like you know
01:08:30.940uh say this to the girl act like that like it's not natural it will not work that's fake to be
01:08:37.020you have to be yourself but um you know uh in the way i describe like of it um you have to be the
01:08:43.420best version of yourself yes be confident about it and the rest will follow it's uh it's an
01:08:49.660evidence and so the second advice i could give is when you are this man develop discernment to find
01:08:56.540the girl and to give attention to the difference between a girl who is really like uh honest and
01:09:04.380sincere about her views and someone who is just larping you know yeah someone that's that's hiding
01:09:09.900or pretending but i think that's again if you are a fully developed man you you feel that you know
01:09:18.860you're not a simp you're not in a constant need of validation and attention from women
01:09:24.620so uh you are not troubled in your dis in your discernment by that like um so yeah i think that's
01:09:31.740great advice and i think you are wise beyond your years and i look forward to hearing about your
01:09:36.940seven babies you're going to I hope so because you know if anyone's going to have them it's got
01:09:43.400to be like women like you that just can have as many as they can I know women they're having as
01:09:47.380many as they can and I just like they're heroes you know these are the heroes of western civilization
01:09:52.500right now the you know the men that are fighting back against this that are pushing for you know
01:09:57.560remigration and mass deportation and taking our countries back and the women who are holding the
01:10:02.220the home front and who are raising the babies and having the babies and having babies who are whole
01:10:09.100you know spiritually mentally physically and aware right and anchored in the truth and so
01:10:14.860thank you so much yeah this is the future and i um i was raised like that so of course it's not
01:10:22.540a thing that um i never questioned myself about having children but the more i i grew up the more
01:10:30.140I really enjoy the fact that I'm a woman and this will be my role and actually it is not degrading
01:10:37.260it's just oh you're just a mom no like the being a mother it's the most beautiful thing a woman
01:10:44.220could ever do and actually I'm very happy to be a woman to experience one day I hope soon but like
01:10:53.340having children raising them this is very like it's it's the future um apart from any political
01:11:00.380discourse you know sometimes you can be a bit exhausted by the politics uh and but the the
01:11:06.620thing you can do still is having babies having families strong families and raising the next
01:11:13.180generation uh to you know uh um you know hold the the torch like yeah hold the torch hold the line
01:11:21.900they can't replace us if we keep reproducing right and we reproduce
01:11:26.280yes it's the only thing that matter yes 100% well thank you so much let people
01:11:33.140know where they can find you your links I think you were banned from Instagram
01:11:37.800but your tick I saw tick-tock you have a big presence there as well yeah tick
01:11:42.300tock YouTube which is translating some of my videos in English so maybe it's
01:11:48.420better for the english speakers that are hearing us right now also twitter uh but i'm going to be
01:11:55.220more uh active on twitter i wasn't really lately because also of my trials and stuff and i was a
01:12:02.420bit exhausted at the individual level but i'm i'm going to be more active i promise and let people
01:12:08.020know what's going on there you should post that x is a good place to post that and let people know
01:12:12.500what you're what you're going through to bring awareness to it i'm definitely going to do it
01:12:16.620in the next following days, I promise.