Red Ice TV - August 05, 2026


How Yahweh Became ＂God＂ - Gnostic Informant ⧸ Neal Sendlak


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00:03:30.000 ladies and gentlemen welcome back good to uh see you all again hope you're doing well my name is
00:03:47.080 henrik welcome to uh red ice good to be back with you it's august now actually last time we saw it
00:03:51.460 was uh right at the tail end of july hope you're ready holy smokes uh all the uh autumn stuff is
00:03:57.100 coming up. But anyway, we have a great show lined up for you guys today. We're going to talk a bit
00:04:01.080 about Yahweh. We're going to do a deep dive into Yahweh, what's going on. I guess we'll kind of
00:04:05.080 motivate this a little bit later on. Well, why is this important? Well, it's very important in terms
00:04:09.660 of what people believe. And what's the origin point? What happens when you actually strip away
00:04:14.180 kind of, you really have like, what, 2,000 years of like kind of projected spirituality and
00:04:20.660 understanding or kind of like things are added on over time. It becomes kind of like a composite
00:04:25.420 character but what happens when you strip all of that away and try to kind of focus on the
00:04:30.480 earliest accounts that we have to try to find the origin point that's always an interesting thing
00:04:34.540 and of course it's important too uh because we talk all the time about what we need in terms
00:04:39.800 of belief systems is helping us is it detrimental um has us moving away from our native european
00:04:45.880 spiritual tradition has that been a to our detriment has that been a strength and all that
00:04:49.800 stuff right so that's it's rooted in those types of ideas of why i think this these are very
00:04:54.200 interesting and important things to return back to. Then you have the whole thing, of course,
00:04:57.900 about how Judaism became so dominant. And out of that, you kind of get the early forms of
00:05:03.820 Christianity, right? The new wave, they called it back in the day, Second Temple Judaism,
00:05:08.000 some people call it. It's really a revolutionary movement internally to Judea at the time.
00:05:13.520 And then, you know, it's interesting with the question of how are they different from the
00:05:16.780 other Canaanites in the region as well? Because remember, they were like, they were all pagan,
00:05:20.620 there were pagan worshippers, they had multiple gods and all this stuff, right? So how did this
00:05:24.400 one guy kind of pop out of there to just be the one and only quote-unquote god? Anyway, with us
00:05:31.420 today to cover some of this, we got Gnostic Informant Neil Sedlick. Good to have you back
00:05:36.300 on the show, man. How are you? Good to see you again. Thanks for having me on, man. Appreciate
00:05:39.380 you. Of course. Yeah, exactly. You were here in, I checked the date, it was in December 2025. You
00:05:44.100 spoke to Alana, of course. I haven't had a pleasure of talking with you directly, so thank you for
00:05:47.720 being here it's good to uh good to have you here thank you man yeah i had a blast last time too
00:05:51.080 awesome awesome glad to hear it all right so yeah so what do you think of that i mean if we strip
00:05:55.420 away kind of modern depictions you did i'll preface this by this too you did a great post
00:06:00.300 about it and it kind of reinvigorated my interest in it in terms of like what what does yahweh come
00:06:05.540 from what was he initially how come he became the dominant one kind of in the region and try to find
00:06:10.900 like how he also transformed transformed kind of over time or or became maybe more than he was at
00:06:16.040 the time and you were looking at like different translations the different naming of him and
00:06:21.160 things like this right um but i think it's like i think it becomes fascinating but when as i said
00:06:27.020 you kind of strip away all those things and like what are some of the earliest accounts that we do
00:06:31.380 have what do we understand from that period um and how how would you say yahweh even became
00:06:37.780 prominent as one of many gods at that time? Yeah, that's a great question, and it goes back
00:06:47.580 to the Bronze Age. The earliest inscription that ever mentions the god Yahweh is found in a temple
00:06:54.460 of Amun in Egypt, all the way in modern-day Sudan, so all the way down in the south. But it's not
00:07:00.840 mentioning a local god in that region. It's referring to a local god in the Sinai region,
00:07:05.620 and it says that it's the Yahweh of the Shashu and the Shashu people are nomadic sort of outcast
00:07:15.700 travelers kind of like seen as like criminals also by the Egyptians and other surrounding
00:07:22.380 kingdoms they have no like place they're just like in between and it's funny because they show
00:07:29.360 up in history right after the hyksos explosion really so yeah so it does look like after the
00:07:36.560 hyksos are are removed from power in egypt who are if anyone's wondering who the hyksos are
00:07:41.600 they were the semitic dynasty of egypt who ruled out of um uh one of the cities i can't think of
00:07:48.320 the name right now uh but anyways when they were exposed when they were taken out of power
00:07:52.080 and the uh a new dynasty came in they were basically just kind of that was it now there's
00:07:58.940 the people wonder was that when the exodus happened that's according to the bible that's
00:08:04.020 the exodus but as far as like historical evidence there's really nothing for that
00:08:08.660 that's a whole other topic but anyways there is it is interesting that when the shashu are first
00:08:13.600 starting to be mentioned in the primary sources it's right at it's like this century right after
00:08:19.020 the hicksaw dynasty you start you start hearing about these shashu nomads and it makes me wonder
00:08:25.320 and other people have wondered is this like the remnant are they like now they're outcasts now
00:08:29.920 they're living in the desert like you know are these the same people maybe um it's possible
00:08:34.380 and they're worshiping a god named Yahweh but the Hyksos before them they didn't worship Yahweh
00:08:39.300 they worshiped the god Set which is interesting because Set is the enemy of Osiris and it seems
00:08:47.400 like when the Hyksos got into power they they deliberately chose the god to oppose the Egyptians
00:08:53.460 just to be different and it's sort of it's interesting because it's it's sort of how the
00:08:58.240 israelites later on are viewed they're viewed as like they do everything opposite to attack
00:09:05.120 it is for example in the second century set source he's like they do everything the opposite of us
00:09:10.080 everything he's like they when they um they eat animals that we eat or they they um they outlaw
00:09:18.220 animals that we eat and they eat animals that we outlaw and they like basically they just do
00:09:23.720 everything in derision of us anyways adverse very adversarial type of role can i hear it
00:09:29.500 antagonistic if you uh if you prefer yes and that's how they're been that's how they're viewed
00:09:34.180 by all these sources it's very fascinating all the way and that's why when i see the shashu
00:09:38.140 uh sources it's interesting that they are i'm sorry the hicksaws when they were in power
00:09:43.420 avaris by the way was the city there avaris yeah yeah i just couldn't yep and um they chose the
00:09:49.800 god set but they also it's also they they changed the set of the egyptians into more of a ball
00:09:56.640 so you can so some of the sources mentioned ball lord and it means lord in hebrew or aramaic
00:10:03.280 and uh some some of them mentioned set so set becomes the patron deity of the higsaws
00:10:08.560 and then you know less than a century later you start getting these primary sources in egyptian
00:10:13.920 that are mentioning these shashu nomads they're not worshiping set they're worshiping
00:10:18.840 a god named yahweh or yahoo and there's two inscriptions that mention this they're 14th
00:10:26.900 century bc 13th century bc are the two sources and they both say the same thing the yahweh of
00:10:32.100 the shashu or yahoo of the shashu who wrote those down those sources that was written by
00:10:36.900 an egyptian um scribe in a temple and the side of a temple wall is inscribed temple of amen
00:10:43.940 okay and um and like i said there's two of them i think they're both actually temples of amen i'm
00:10:49.480 not sure one of them is for sure though so you can look into that or people can look that up
00:10:53.460 but yeah there's two of those and then so then that's the oldest and that's and and the location
00:10:59.360 of the shashu are they're in that edom sinai region in between phoenicia and uh egypt so
00:11:08.460 they're all spread out that's where all the shashu are found so there's there's quite a few
00:11:13.260 sources that mention these shashu and they're always usually in that region somewhere in between
00:11:18.300 phoenicia and uh egypt so all judea sinai you know that that that whole region and that's the
00:11:26.360 oldest mention then we get to oh then i should mention at that same time right around contemporaneous
00:11:33.600 with that in uger in ugeret which is also um a location of west semitic speaking people
00:11:42.860 who write in cuneiform and uh their their language is the closest thing you're going to find a hebrew
00:11:50.060 at that time period like a proto break it's like a proto it'd be like comparing
00:11:55.940 mycenaean greek to classical greek right that's what i would say yeah and they are in modern day
00:12:02.760 southern syria washamra is the name of the city r-a-s-s-h-a-m-r-a and there's inscriptions there
00:12:10.580 or there's lots of text there we found a whole library of texts there actually and not one of
00:12:15.820 mentions Yahweh but you have El which is the other which is another name for God in the Hebrew Bible
00:12:22.020 like El Shaddai or El Adonai right those are all the different epithets and then Yahweh is El
00:12:30.340 becomes they like become merged but the I guess what I'm saying here is it's funny because all
00:12:35.500 the way up in the north near Syria you have El being worshipped with Asherah too. Asherah is
00:12:42.620 there ball is there ball is his son ball is like the prince he's like the zeus and l is like the
00:12:48.520 saturn chronos right yep ball is like the rain giver he's the he's the uh the um the lightning
00:12:57.000 he holds the thunderbolt he's very much like zeus and there's a lot of people who have pointed out
00:13:02.160 that they're probably were borrowing from the mycenaeans to get that and to get that uh depiction
00:13:08.020 of Baal, because they're right there on the coast,
00:13:10.080 they're right, you know. Yeah, and this is like
00:13:11.800 around the same
00:13:13.660 time period, essentially, as well,
00:13:16.260 right? Exactly, exactly.
00:13:17.980 Yeah.
00:13:19.620 Yeah, no, go ahead, finish that thought there.
00:13:22.320 And so, in the
00:13:23.940 north, you don't have any El, there's not one
00:13:25.820 mention of El, I'm sorry, Yahweh, there's not one
00:13:27.960 mention of Yahweh in any of those Ugarit
00:13:29.980 texts, and then,
00:13:31.740 but down in the south, in that
00:13:33.460 Sinai region,
00:13:35.500 there's a
00:13:36.800 there's a few mentions
00:13:38.360 there's this worshipping of
00:13:40.480 Yahweh and one of the
00:13:42.540 mentions is Kuntilat Arshad
00:13:44.720 yep that's the graph I just show there
00:13:46.640 by the way for people in screen one of the first ones
00:13:48.640 that we have that earliest depiction as far as I
00:13:50.620 know anyway yeah and you had that
00:13:52.620 very strange looking figure
00:13:54.620 um with
00:13:56.740 uh by the way I just
00:13:58.400 one thing I've seen this picture before
00:14:00.820 yeah and the figure on the
00:14:02.720 right doesn't actually have a dong
00:14:04.760 hanging down
00:14:05.380 yeah because that's a one of them is a shira right so that should i don't know i don't know
00:14:12.180 if someone just on accident put that there this is obviously a copy but that that looks identical
00:14:17.240 to what it actually looks like except for that one well okay compared to the next one i'll show
00:14:22.060 here this is actually more or less the same but that doesn't have it on this one that's the way
00:14:26.300 that's what it actually looks yeah yeah there you go okay that's what the potter it's a piece of
00:14:29.620 pottery and um it says on the pottery it says Yahweh and his Asherah but actually what's it
00:14:37.120 what's even more interesting is first of all the dating of it is 9th century BCE and on the
00:14:44.260 if you notice the text it's more than just a couple words so there's obviously more than
00:14:48.900 just Yahweh and his Asherah the whole text if you read it says quote um Yehoash the king
00:14:55.700 say to and there's a name yet yeah yaha l or yahweh is l blessed are you all to yahweh of
00:15:04.260 samaria and his asherah which is gives us a lot of interesting details because number one it
00:15:10.980 mentions one of the kings of israel yehoash who's one of the kings mentioned in the bible
00:15:17.140 uh in kings and chronicles you know so we have a we we know and this is what dated to
00:15:23.300 ninth century bc um and not only that he's the yahweh it says he's the yahweh of samaria
00:15:29.940 which is all the way up in modern day i mean where the galilee is and that's the kingdom of israel
00:15:36.360 yeah so it's like this whole area that's like kind of what they didn't worship it but they do
00:15:41.000 in the north and then down in the sinai peninsula basically right yes so you can see at this time
00:15:46.960 yahweh at that time is already being incorporated into the pantheon that the ugarits had and
00:15:54.080 there's some sort of blending or mixing going on in that 9th century 10th century period um
00:15:59.620 and it's but then at that same location there's another pottery that mentions yahweh of taman
00:16:07.660 so yahweh of asherah and yahweh of taman are both mentioned on two different pieces of pottery
00:16:12.520 from the exact same location archaeological dig taman in hebrew means south and it's another name
00:16:17.900 for edom so it's saying yahweh of the south and there's a yahweh of asherah i'm sorry yahweh of
00:16:24.480 samaria and that's actually not that crazy to think about because there's different zeuses of
00:16:30.380 different cities right there's different right there's the different different oracles of zeus
00:16:34.600 there's the zeus of the dona there's the you know so it doesn't mean that there's more than one
00:16:39.400 Yahweh, or more than one Zeus, it just means
00:16:41.500 that this local Zeus, or this local
00:16:43.620 Yahweh, and that's
00:16:45.600 kind of normal for Iron Age thinking.
00:16:48.360 So, you can see
00:16:49.840 there's a Yahweh,
00:16:51.700 and the text
00:16:53.640 literally describes the different
00:16:55.640 Yahweh locations that he's being
00:16:57.460 set up at. Would it be like,
00:16:59.320 you have a ball, but you have
00:17:01.600 a ball, Haman, like they add
00:17:03.560 versions of their own,
00:17:05.580 depending on what area you're in, essentially, right?
00:17:07.420 Exactly. 100%. That's exactly what it is.
00:17:09.400 um and yeah so there's that and then so some people have tried to hand way this away as just
00:17:15.960 some whatever it's just a one-off thing yahweh isn't part of the pantheon they'll admit that
00:17:22.000 el is part of a pantheon they can't escape that because there's just like there's like a hundred
00:17:25.920 texts that mention el with ball and asherah and yam and all the whole pantheon is all there um
00:17:31.060 and but then they'll say no that's just a one-off thing yahweh is always by himself he's never with
00:17:36.260 pantheon until we found another inscription from kirbet el kam from 8th century bc that also
00:17:42.020 mentions asherah and el and yahweh so now it's just like now you guys can't hand wave this stuff
00:17:48.340 away there's plenty of evidence that yahweh was part of a pagan pantheon of local canaanite gods
00:17:55.300 and that's just a fact and like you know you can cope about it but it's just true like the origins
00:18:02.820 of Yahweh was he was a local I don't know if I want to say a local storm deity maybe that might
00:18:08.840 be too simple because he also has like as I mentioned in the post he's also like tied to
00:18:14.620 mountains and vegetation yeah I always saw it as a volcano god you hear these old stories right like
00:18:20.360 a kind of metallurgy volcano kind of industry I don't know but again this is it is hard right
00:18:26.700 because we're talking about such a vast period of time right like hundreds of years can pass in
00:18:32.640 some regards to it like oh here's another inscription you know kind of thing and at that
00:18:36.220 point like even even a migrating moving group that might have settled over here although they
00:18:41.280 share an ethnic bond have kind of developed already their own uh cultural you know nuances
00:18:46.520 essentially right so it's it's incredibly difficult to try to kind of re-piece it together
00:18:51.520 however those are very those are very interesting points that we need we need to bring up if we're
00:18:56.020 of try to get to the origin story here basically right yeah and that's the fact that that would be
00:19:02.600 the quote-unquote first temple period because it's it's the that kun that kun tell it azra
00:19:06.920 inscription on that pottery literally mentions the king so this isn't just some random heretics
00:19:13.500 in the desert this is the state local cult of judah slash israel right this is this would be
00:19:21.200 first so i would say if you're going to describe first temple judaism i mean judaism might be
00:19:25.620 anachronistic but we if we want to call it that fine but it is pagan it is it is polytheistic
00:19:30.880 right it's not it's not this torah observant moses uh abraham thing yet that's a lot later in time
00:19:38.840 because if you so it's kind of interesting to even look obviously at the at the ethnic origins right
00:19:43.980 like what sets them apart and of course the name the name thing here too i was looking at a thing
00:19:49.340 just as a separate example that this happens everywhere like where the sarmatians kind of
00:19:54.380 come out of the Scythians, right?
00:19:56.680 Like, they're kind of the same group, essentially.
00:19:59.620 There is some, I believe there's more or less genetic overlap.
00:20:03.320 There might be some admixture or something, right?
00:20:05.360 But all of a sudden, like, what I'm bringing up is that, historically,
00:20:08.440 they get a new name.
00:20:09.600 And it's also depending on who's naming them, right?
00:20:12.400 So you mentioned the Hyksos, obviously, right?
00:20:15.360 But there's other potential name.
00:20:17.980 What was the Marauders, they call it?
00:20:20.240 The other Canaanite tribes, they call them,
00:20:21.980 what's the other uh like basic abortion of bandits wasn't that what it was like yeah that's
00:20:26.960 that's one of the definitions of shashu is like bandit um marauders it was another term the word
00:20:33.720 hebrew is um is comes from uh hapiru happy happy that's right that's what i was thinking about the
00:20:39.160 happy route yes exactly that means like bandit or marauder basically yeah that's outlaw criminal
00:20:45.520 a lot of people think that's where the word hebrew comes from because the word hebrew
00:20:49.680 actually just means traveler which you can see how that could come from a marauder someone who's
00:20:55.860 they're like nomads they don't actually have a city they're just going around they're like
00:21:00.940 modern day gypsies good good point and also then what what really sets them apart beyond
00:21:07.760 behavior at the time right like ethnically you try to pin down like are they really that much
00:21:16.160 different from the canaanites if they kind of believe at that time what the canaanites believe
00:21:21.360 i mean i know canaanite is kind of like it's also an umbrella term if you drill down of course you
00:21:25.440 can find different regions different ethnic groups or whatever but even today as you can find jewish
00:21:30.760 people you know genetically they share the most dna with like modern day lebanese people or you
00:21:37.440 know even palestinian or something like that right so and those are attributed i mean they did
00:21:41.480 recently what was it they dug up a bunch of skeletons in the region and they basically like
00:21:45.240 Like, yeah, the Canaanites didn't go anywhere.
00:21:47.020 It's basically the Lebanese people.
00:21:48.380 That's basically what those studies said, right?
00:21:50.160 So what really sets them apart seems to be at the time,
00:21:54.320 and please, if you think I'm wrong on that, please correct me,
00:21:57.920 but it feels what sets them apart is almost an agreement of behavior
00:22:03.140 or how to structure themselves.
00:22:04.700 I'm thinking of if there were an outcast class of Canaanites at the time
00:22:10.760 that almost found their own way of life, if that makes sense.
00:22:14.900 what do you think of that i i i think that's what's what's kind of what's going on but there's
00:22:19.320 also an interesting uh piece to this where in ezekiel mentions the father of david being
00:22:29.300 an amorite and his mother being a hittite okay which is like wait a minute what is he talking
00:22:35.920 about here so you're saying that because the amorites would be uh eastern semitic peoples
00:22:41.400 who lived near sort of like babylon or whatever and the hittites would be all the way up in the
00:22:47.860 north and those are indo-european speaking people so i i heard that the hittites actually were
00:22:52.700 not ethnically homogenous do you think that's true they said like this was kind of a conglomerate
00:22:58.200 so there was like some different tribes again that gets iffy quick with the with the sources
00:23:02.860 because of course today it's like they even say like race doesn't even exist right so they do
00:23:07.540 see i'm saying they get iffy with it real damn quick so maybe the differences were there but
00:23:11.180 i'm saying at least what i heard recently was like no they were there they weren't you know
00:23:16.240 strictly all ethnically homogenous they had some different tribes and that was just like
00:23:20.500 the hittites were like just kind of an umbrella term that that unified these tribes i don't know
00:23:25.360 what do you think no i think that's true because how big the hittite empire was was vast yeah it
00:23:31.200 goes all the way from the greek uh coast of the ionians all the way over to mesopotamia and down
00:23:37.940 to syria and so you're gonna have part of that empire you're gonna have different ethnic groups
00:23:42.560 they speak into indo-european language and i and i would probably i would probably even go as far
00:23:48.720 as to say as their their elites were probably indo-european ethnic uh people very possible
00:23:54.560 all throughout the empire different hittites groups of different different types of uh people
00:24:00.640 if that makes sense yeah which would probably explain and so this is what i was actually leading
00:24:06.420 up to we no one knew what to do with that verse oh maybe he's just saying that he's not really a
00:24:12.080 hittite but then when start when when modern genetic testing started to become uh more refined
00:24:18.440 it actually shows up in um a lot of jewish dna that they have like you know less than 10 percent
00:24:25.560 or whatever um um our was it our one is that the um the haplo group r1b yeah r1 yeah a lot i mean
00:24:33.640 they have like some significant not like not more than 10 or something but there's like a a decent
00:24:40.200 amount of r1 remnant in uh jewish dna so there might have been an actual hittite married into the
00:24:50.360 royal line at some point and that's probably what ezekiel is referring to in that verse whoever
00:24:55.080 wrote ezekiel i don't know who wrote it but if that makes sense yeah i mean i remember there's
00:24:59.380 a headline there right was the the blonde blue-eyed invaders of israel yeah here it's the
00:25:05.500 jewish press right they have that because again you have so much movement at the time right yeah
00:25:09.480 blue-eyed blonde invades israel 6 500 years ago uh dna study is a remnant from that you know i
00:25:16.660 mean like there's a lot of what it is yeah and that's what i'm saying like i don't know what
00:25:21.440 exactly ezekiel was the author of ezekiel was trying to say yeah when he said that there's
00:25:27.000 hittites maybe that maybe they look maybe they just had a different um lineage but yeah i don't
00:25:33.820 know anyway this goes way back obviously and i'm not saying that that these people are then jews
00:25:38.680 i'm saying you have a movement there this is in the time period of you where you basically have
00:25:42.840 the the steppe peoples kind of they're going some of them are going down into the levant area some
00:25:47.580 and they're going, just spreading everywhere, right?
00:25:49.740 They're bringing their technology, their genes, right?
00:25:52.360 Like all kinds of things.
00:25:53.280 It's how you get the horse down there too.
00:25:54.680 Absolutely, exactly.
00:25:56.620 Okay, so that's interesting.
00:25:57.540 The Hathi, we talked about that, the Hittites.
00:26:00.280 And I mean, yeah, and the Amorites.
00:26:03.360 Because when we look at this now in hindsight,
00:26:06.180 and especially, of course, if you use the Bible as a source,
00:26:09.100 which gets very iffy,
00:26:10.460 it doesn't mean that things are necessarily wrong there.
00:26:13.400 But I also recognize that I see it as a propaganda text.
00:26:18.060 It's a victory text.
00:26:20.400 There's examples, obviously, like, was it Menhotep II?
00:26:25.060 I forget which one, Steely, right?
00:26:27.040 The Israelites say they defeated the Egyptians,
00:26:29.440 and the Egyptians are like, we kicked their asses, you know?
00:26:31.800 It's like, wait a minute, what really happened here?
00:26:34.780 And you have to try to cross-correlate to this.
00:26:38.320 Like, what did the Assyrians say at the time?
00:26:40.780 What did the Hittites say?
00:26:41.760 like do they recall any of these battles and what was the actual outcome of it because i think at
00:26:46.620 the time it was like they they wrote in things that they wanted to bolster about themselves as
00:26:51.400 a people if that makes sense yeah the writing this is so the the hebrew bible which is the
00:26:56.860 old testament christian old testament that the form that we have it in is hellenistic so you
00:27:02.720 it's all it's it's after 300 bc and that now when i when people say that or when i say that
00:27:09.540 sometimes it gets taken out it gets misconstrued and gets taken out of context well people will
00:27:14.400 say that what i'm saying is it was just created ex nihilo out of nowhere in 2300 bc i'm not saying
00:27:19.860 that i'm saying the form that we have it in is hellenistic where that means there was a
00:27:24.440 redactions interpolations forge forgeries or straight up just made up new daniels obviously
00:27:31.760 from like 100s bc and it's trying to be tenants in the 400s uh 500s bc that's one of the clearer
00:27:38.580 examples but then there's less clear examples like isaiah isaiah is all over the place so
00:27:43.260 there's sections of isaiah that definitely look old and the the the syntax and the grammar
00:27:48.560 matches actual biblical hebrew um from from that from the eighth century bc or whatever
00:27:56.400 but then there's later sections there's other parts of isaiah where he's mentioning king cyrus
00:28:01.720 and then the syntax changes and it's on those parts that are like like just completely you
00:28:06.240 can tell uh written later in the hellenistic period so what we're it would be like imagine
00:28:11.520 if all we had was um the the newest version of batman which i don't know the dark knight trilogy
00:28:19.840 or something and but but we lost the comics from the early you know 1900s whenever the comics were
00:28:26.720 written we so we don't know what the originals look like but we know but we can watch the dark
00:28:31.460 night trilogy and we could put together what batman is that's how i would describe that with
00:28:35.900 the hebrew bible is what we have is the later redaction the later version of their history
00:28:41.920 of what they're trying to put together a monotheistic version of it whereas if you go
00:28:47.040 back into the eighth ninth century bce you see that yeah el yahweh asherah all these gods are
00:28:52.580 part of a pantheon right yeah no that makes sense there's like a simulacrum we get that today too
00:28:57.900 obviously it's like a meme passed down through time and it's like wait a minute what's the origin
00:29:01.400 point of this again and you take the version that's like a much later reiteration as the
00:29:06.620 original because of course you can't who knows maybe there's more originals out there they
00:29:11.440 haven't even discovered yet or haven't found or there's pottery or text or you know something like
00:29:15.580 there's discoveries all the time you think this is like kind of a done deal but a lot of things
00:29:19.180 are being found out all the time so this is it's a fascinating study but it's a good analogy too
00:29:23.800 I think from the point of view that it's like I kind of you know partially I say look there's
00:29:27.940 things in there obviously that they borrowed from other parts of the ancient world it is a kind of
00:29:31.640 a composite religion right because again think about where they are at the time they're beginning
00:29:37.500 to write some of this how many competing empires they have and they have to kind of pull something
00:29:43.540 together and maybe you know maybe they realize that like you know look at these other areas
00:29:50.960 look at what the babylonians have look at what the egyptians have look at what they we have to have
00:29:55.120 something that's also powerful and can compete with those types of things right uh and maybe
00:29:59.520 even that's where the idea of just like choosing one of the gods like a he knew it's he knewistic
00:30:05.280 or what do you call it what's the term again he knew theistic you get you pick one partially
00:30:11.040 maybe because of simplicity because you do have that interesting and i don't know if you want to
00:30:14.720 get into that now but you do have that interesting parallel right of like akhenaten the the rebel
00:30:19.280 pharaoh trying this in egypt and going to amarna and like the the only god aton you know kind of
00:30:24.760 an early version of monotheism right do you think there are parallels there is there overlaps between
00:30:30.400 hyksos and akhenaten or what do you what do you think yeah i actually think that there was this
00:30:36.280 understanding among very educated elites that there was one um like the pythagoreans for example came
00:30:44.180 up with this idea they they came to the same conclusion through using through just doing
00:30:47.820 mathematics that there has to be one origin point to all of it multiplicity has to come from
00:30:52.860 a single point um and so i think that educated elites always had this idea in the back of their
00:30:59.940 minds that there was one overarching all-powerful deity in the beginning of everything and so and
00:31:06.640 they thought like well the plebs let them have all their temples and their different gods and
00:31:11.920 i think there was that was sort of an idea that was floating around in egypt and uh even like
00:31:16.600 syria the persians definitely had some similar ideas like that too um and then iconotheism
00:31:22.500 becomes really popular in the persian period as well so i think that's sort of like something
00:31:26.500 that's just like happening all the time you know if that makes sense right yeah i know exactly yeah
00:31:31.080 they refine it they try because it's not only it's not only actually a belief system this is
00:31:36.560 if you look at yahweh specifically this is a conquering god this is a war god right like he's
00:31:41.800 the one who's who's going to win the because even if you look at early uh and again the terms get
00:31:47.760 it for here because they're interchangeable depending on what empire you talk about but
00:31:50.600 like if you talk about the hebrews or the israelites jews you know later um many of the early
00:31:56.700 points that they talk about like in the bible that they want to you know conquer and take from the
00:32:01.960 maybe the edomites or the amorites or whatever competing group they have at the time of other
00:32:06.220 canaanites are very strategic like they're part of trade routes and things like this right like
00:32:11.620 There's a few stories, not even Jerusalem, which used to be called Jebusite,
00:32:14.900 but it was like a Canaanite settlement for, I think,
00:32:17.560 almost like 1,500 years or something before even King David goes in there
00:32:22.840 and takes it over, most of it.
00:32:24.300 It was already like a built city at that point, essentially.
00:32:27.380 But there's other places, and I forget some of them.
00:32:29.760 I did a segment on it, but there was an important trade route.
00:32:33.400 It was like God told them this is yours.
00:32:36.040 You need to go grab it.
00:32:37.120 And then you realize, oh, it's right on the old, what was it,
00:32:40.580 king's highway as it's called right the the ancient land and because now they can be an
00:32:46.620 interface between these all these trading trading empire so you realize it's actually a a mercantile
00:32:52.960 political control aspect that's part of the growth of the religion too right yeah it's a prime
00:32:59.520 location you're in between major you got the hittites to the north of you major empire to the
00:33:05.060 first empire to discover how to make iron weapons you have the egyptians to the south of you
00:33:10.160 and then you have the babylonians to the uh east of you so like and the sea you have this you have
00:33:15.740 access to the mediterranean sea as well so prime location for trading you can you can see how that
00:33:22.780 would expand or grow whoever controls that region you know yeah um i think it was what was it again
00:33:30.380 i forget what it was it was right on the trade route i was checking the the map here tell tell
00:33:34.920 tell a door or something i forget what it was it was like and then there's contradictions in the
00:33:39.420 story or you realize like um it was promised to moses or as i'm sorry yeah no i think it was
00:33:47.300 uh moses early on or who was it that was it might be abraham who was it that sent in the 12 spies
00:33:52.880 oh that's um that was moses right moses 12 spies was yeah the 12 spies is moses okay yeah i thought
00:33:58.240 you're talking about the land uh before that though was abraham but yeah you're right yeah
00:34:01.960 yeah yeah no exactly well that's it's that's actually a good point because you really it's
00:34:06.640 waves and waves of secessions of like attempt to take it over like it's over a span of like a
00:34:11.380 thousand years or something right but the 12 spies like oh you need this area and that area
00:34:16.780 and this and it was promised to us and it's almost like this kind of self self-fulfilling prophecy of
00:34:21.080 part of it too like well you know our our guy our bro that we just picked yahweh he totally just
00:34:25.820 told us this is ours you know kind of thing we we need this and it was given to us and and that
00:34:30.340 serves kind of as a justification for why you go in there and you exterminate these people and you
00:34:35.480 You basically just take it over and take it for yourself.
00:34:38.420 So that's what I'm saying.
00:34:39.240 It's a very war-like, conquering people that seem to operate.
00:34:45.420 Of course, all of them were at that time, so I'm not saying that,
00:34:47.980 but they seem to operate even differently because they were referred to,
00:34:52.160 as we said before, as outcasts or marauders or criminals.
00:34:56.240 Do you see what I'm saying?
00:34:56.660 They were like they didn't have a set settlement anywhere yet,
00:34:59.060 and they were just attempting to find different pieces that works the best
00:35:03.120 from them from a strategic point of view military advantage point of view right yeah and um if you
00:35:09.640 could convince people that your land was promised to you by god or god that will motivate that will
00:35:18.160 raise an army like you can that is a very powerful thing to be able to sort of wield that say this
00:35:23.900 was land was promised to you to your ancestors by this local deity of this region let's go and like
00:35:30.820 that's it it's going to work um and but what's interesting about that is when you go back and
00:35:36.820 look at the evidence there there's this idea of the 12 the 12 allotments of israel
00:35:43.040 the tribe of judah owned jerusalem the tribe of uh you know zebulon was up in the galilee and
00:35:50.600 there's all and you know you had the tribe of benjamin right next to judah and there's a whole
00:35:54.460 12 allotment in this whole area the problem is there's no evidence of that anywhere there's no
00:36:00.340 mention of this by any sources there's no archaeological evidence for this it just seems
00:36:05.400 to have been kind of later retro made up uh in hindsight um and in fact what makes it even worse
00:36:14.600 is the first after the first temple period when they had the two waves of destruction the
00:36:20.460 Assyrians the Babylonians and they get conquered and they get taken to Babylon that's historical
00:36:25.020 that's happened uh just like i mentioned how there's kings meant jehoash is mentioned
00:36:29.900 omri's mentioned hezekiah is mentioned that even king david is mentioned the house of david's on
00:36:35.860 one of the inscriptions there was that there was a real kingdom there they did have control of this
00:36:41.780 land but that allotment seems to be later fabrication in fact as i was leading up to
00:36:48.360 there were some people who didn't get taken into babylon when they got conquered and they fled down
00:36:54.000 into egypt and they were able to settle as a colon as a pretty much a colony in the city of
00:37:00.220 elephantine on the island and oh yeah that's right i remember that yeah and we have all their text
00:37:06.360 all of it gets preserved because egypt's the perfect place to preserve text is so dry
00:37:10.900 and we have about over a thousand text total written in aramaic that are written by yehudim
00:37:20.800 which is the word for jew jew jews in plural in hebrew in aramaic so they're calling themselves
00:37:27.660 jews we are yahudim we are from jerusalem we are now living here and it's a perfect time capsule
00:37:34.480 they get there in the year 586 bce and they live there all the way to like 400 around there
00:37:40.320 and not once in any of their texts that was about a thousand texts do they ever mention abraham
00:37:47.480 they never mentioned Moses they never mentioned 12 tribes they never mentioned Jacob they never
00:37:53.540 mentioned Joseph they don't even mention Adam and Eve but they do worship Yahweh so it is Jews that
00:37:59.660 worship Yahweh and they also worship other gods beside Yahweh so it looks like first temple Judaism
00:38:06.680 was not Torah observant Moses stuff or promising like it was it was just Yahweh worshipers
00:38:16.160 from that region and then in the second temple period that's when they start writing new histories
00:38:22.660 and sort of backdating all this stuff throwing in 12 tribes throwing in abraham throwing in moses
00:38:29.380 and sort of rewriting their history and that and that that sort of justifies this is our land and
00:38:36.420 no one will ever take it from us ever again right always like that yeah because obviously the
00:38:41.840 tenacity here is uh remarkable in terms of the conviction that they should this is their land
00:38:47.020 and they keep you know they get expelled and kicked out and the temples are burned out over
00:38:50.960 it be a multi over long historical period and they're still you know at it kind of i mean this
00:38:57.880 is very important to them so of course that's a religious conviction obviously even if they
00:39:01.780 convince themselves of this this is you know they're this is their that's that's the religion
00:39:06.080 right and when they're in elephantine at that same time that's what that's the time of herodotus
00:39:11.100 450 bc fifth century bc erodotus when he's describing that region he doesn't call it
00:39:18.080 israel he doesn't call it judah he calls it palestine yeah right so and and that that name
00:39:24.780 palestine or palestate is actually all the way back in the bronze it's it's right around it shows
00:39:31.660 up in the sources right around the same time israel is mentioned so there it's like it's like
00:39:35.380 the same israel is first mentioned in the manatha steli and it's all it is is all it is is samaria
00:39:42.580 and jezreel that's it it's not jerusalem jerusalem's called uh judah yeah and um so yeah that's
00:39:52.620 it you have you have you have different kingdoms it's not this unified 12 tribe allotment that
00:39:58.360 you hear that you read about in the in genesis i'm also interesting piece there too by the way
00:40:02.620 to to throw this into the uh the mix here but uh was it science or which side was it again yeah the
00:40:08.220 ancient european roots of the philistines which obviously is related to you know the palestine
00:40:15.980 the region or whatever right yeah it comes from the word palestate they were living on the island
00:40:23.020 of crete and at the end towards the end of the bronze age those quote-unquote sea peoples took
00:40:28.380 over right one of the one of those sea peoples from the aegean was the philistines okay and
00:40:34.940 when we dug up those five cities those five five philistine cities gad akron uh whatever the name
00:40:41.660 there's a couple a couple of names of five five major philistine cities all of their you can tell
00:40:47.660 they're like aegean bronze age they're like mycenaeans that's what i'm sorry like minoans i
00:40:53.020 would say they're a lot like minoans they're they're idols they're there are they're they're
00:40:57.900 pottery um uh and by the way aegean pottery is found all throughout that region so oh sure yeah
00:41:05.180 yeah you know yeah absolutely um yeah they all haven't they all traded that was the point right
00:41:09.740 before the bronze age collapse you had a very intricate trading system and uh very elaborate
00:41:15.500 and they all depended on each other whatever no one knows exactly what it is that triggers triggers
00:41:20.060 I don't think it's just the sea people. The sea people is probably a reaction to maybe climactic or, you know, some type of changes that's occurring.
00:41:29.220 Maybe other migrating tribes down into, you know, the Greek, you know, that area or something like that into Greece, maybe that displaces them.
00:41:36.840 And they go further down, as you said. Who knows?
00:41:38.940 But the point is, it's a very intricate trade system during the Bronze Age, with obviously tin being one of the primary resources that's needed to keep up the production of bronze.
00:41:51.840 That collapses, and it's like a domino effect, where one after another just kind of collapses, and then it's all, and boom.
00:41:57.640 It's not that it goes quiet, obviously, but it's like that intricate trade system that they had is basically kind of shut off, and it's shut down, right?
00:42:06.620 Yeah, it was a dark age for a little while.
00:42:08.500 It's basically a dark age, and we lose, I think, a lot of the stuff, things that maybe we would have been able to tell more and glean more from in terms of the archaeological record or maybe books or things that were written down that we just don't know at this point.
00:42:22.520 But it's a very fascinating period in the ancient world at that time.
00:42:29.220 And to place the origin story, not just of Yahweh,
00:42:33.780 but the people that come up with Yahweh, if you will,
00:42:35.780 or chooses him as their prime god,
00:42:38.780 obviously becomes very prominent in our day and age.
00:42:43.080 We'll go through all this a little bit later, too, in the show here.
00:42:45.440 But leading this up from the creation of Judaism, essentially,
00:42:49.700 and then going into Christianity eventually,
00:42:51.680 or the early, you know, kind of the Second Temple Judaism,
00:42:53.900 which turns into, which becomes Christianity essentially.
00:42:56.420 Very dominant, right?
00:42:57.280 Because most people today, not everyone on the earth, obviously,
00:42:59.900 but most people today, especially in the West,
00:43:01.800 when they think of God,
00:43:03.680 they think of these early conceptions of Yahweh,
00:43:06.760 even though we obviously have much more projected onto God
00:43:11.600 than we do, you know, than they probably did back then, right?
00:43:14.680 So that's transformed over time.
00:43:17.500 That's why, like, people might say they venerate Yahweh,
00:43:19.420 whatever but most people that believe in in a god they don't know much about actually this the
00:43:24.560 ancient yahweh figure would you say i don't think that's the case at all maybe i'm wrong but i don't
00:43:29.440 think so anyway no and that's one of the ironies in the in the word almighty god which is supposedly
00:43:35.680 a translation from from el shaddai or in the greek would be panto krator however sufficient one was
00:43:43.360 that meant right like that the one that's that implies if it if it translates as the sufficient
00:43:48.660 one meaning that one is good enough we don't need the others that's kind of what i'm reading into
00:43:53.480 that yeah yeah and and the irony of that though is like that name el shaddai um is a re sort of
00:44:04.120 configuration of well it's it el shadd by itself just means god of the mountain and um but if you
00:44:13.460 add another Dalit in there, Shadad, it turns into strong or mighty, right? So the reason why I'm
00:44:23.220 calling it ironic is because, like you said, whether you're Muslim, Christian, or Jewish,
00:44:28.860 you think of God as God Almighty. But the irony is that that word was a reconfiguration of a
00:44:36.280 previous local mountain deity who was just the L of the mountain, whether it be Mount Sion,
00:44:42.920 whether it be mount herman or whether it be one of the holy mountains in that region there's
00:44:47.200 different different l's different mountains but that gets reconfigurated as god almighty and now
00:44:53.320 we all think of this local um country god local uh rural god or maybe local mountain god
00:45:01.360 is the god almighty now he just sort of became became that over time so in other words it wasn't
00:45:07.940 that oh no go on go on please finish that thought i was just gonna say real quick this is a whole
00:45:11.580 i want to get your hear your thoughts on what you said but just to finish off what i was gonna say
00:45:15.820 a lot of it has to do with the creation of the of the hebrew bible and the book of genesis and i
00:45:23.460 think they're applying sort of pre-socratic monism or even plato's timaeus theology onto their
00:45:32.720 yahwism to construct this all-powerful creator god yeah and yeah no i wanted to insert that it's
00:45:40.000 like other people have this idea maybe again maybe even if it's a if it's a pagan religion with
00:45:45.920 multiple gods they have this idea that obviously one is maybe stronger one is more prominent than
00:45:51.400 the others right kind of thing like the idea of a god is already there so it's not that everyone
00:45:55.880 looks at the properties of al-shadid and they're like wow that's the guy you know let's let's all
00:46:02.160 drop whatever we worship and worship that it what i'm saying is that the groundwork for that has
00:46:07.520 already been laid of sorts right and there's i don't know maybe political reasons certainly
00:46:12.540 conquering reasons too but that that becomes a more a more prominent one over over time but i'm
00:46:18.940 saying the idea of of something like this wasn't wasn't uh obviously unique every people had
00:46:24.680 something like this and of course think about the idea why the mountain is important here because
00:46:28.200 again that's a defensible position most of this you read it's the same thing with jerusalem right
00:46:33.020 Like an ancient Canaanite city settlement for 1,500 years at least, maybe.
00:46:38.620 They want that because from there they'll be able to defend themselves.
00:46:41.940 I think even Zion itself, I was looking into the root of the word Zion, right?
00:46:45.720 It basically means placement or road sign or something that's pointing to something.
00:46:50.360 And what is it?
00:46:50.980 Well, it's the hill.
00:46:52.820 It's the mountain.
00:46:53.900 It's the top of something, right?
00:46:55.160 So that you can defend yourself and your people.
00:46:57.080 In other words, it's associated with survival, right?
00:46:59.700 if your god is someone who ensures your survival that's when this god becomes a holy creature who
00:47:06.500 can basically help to defend your your people right and that's where the the springs flow down
00:47:11.700 from they explode the the drinking water comes down on the mountain you have your goats grazing
00:47:16.900 on the mountains you have a wildlife up that's where all of your life for life uh sustaining
00:47:22.420 entities or or everything you need to survive comes from that mountain if you think about it
00:47:27.300 yeah yeah i mean that's like it rains on the the the rain hits the mountain and the mountain has a
00:47:33.320 whole stream of water the springs and then you have drinking healthy drinking water and you have
00:47:38.600 grass for the for the um animals to feed on all that stuff it's it's life-giving in so many ways
00:47:45.760 although as you mentioned on top of being able to protect that type of thing yeah oh yeah definitely
00:47:51.260 yeah i did a whole thing on the jerusalem it was fascinating i didn't know it before you know like
00:47:54.980 Just Jerusalem, King David, when he conquers it,
00:47:58.340 and how he does it through the spring system, basically,
00:48:04.220 the spring that they had dug from the outside of the mountain,
00:48:07.560 but they had protected it with walls.
00:48:10.360 They found the path.
00:48:11.420 Again, these are stories.
00:48:12.680 I'm not saying it's all true, but regardless, I'm saying it's interesting, right?
00:48:16.700 They crawled away into, or one of them crawls their way into
00:48:19.900 through the spring system and the dug mines, essentially,
00:48:23.680 where it looks like into the city gets out of the well and then opens the doors to you know the army
00:48:29.880 of king david and they can finally take it over and conquer it and then it's like oh but before
00:48:33.860 that it was the story of like how who was it they had the vision on the threshing floor like oh you
00:48:40.820 need to build a temple here i forget everything forget oh was it samuel okay like no this this
00:48:47.480 area was again this area was promised to you and then it's like he but they come back like 700
00:48:54.000 years later and now we have to buy it off of the jebus sites or something like that it's like wait
00:48:58.160 a minute i thought you conquered it like 400 years ago or something like there's these weird kind of
00:49:02.320 inconsistencies right which makes me think like are they you know because even the the uh what do
00:49:07.700 you call it the uh the spies right of moses spies that go into the lane of land of canaan to see
00:49:12.360 you know the grapes were big and every day the people there were mighty right they kind of that's
00:49:16.820 where the analogy of giants come from it's probably that they were just mighty in terms of
00:49:20.660 like a mighty army was hard for them to you know conquer it or whatever but it seems that they can
00:49:25.000 kind of sneak around in the region more or less for uh several several hundred years if not more
00:49:30.920 than that i'm not saying completely undetected but it seems like they they're passable for one of the
00:49:35.740 people in the region which makes me wonder like how different were they from the other canaanites
00:49:40.340 really at that time probably not that different what do you think yeah no it's it's the same
00:49:45.540 culture it's the same language family very similar i mean there's i mean the syntax might
00:49:51.060 be a little bit different from biblical hebrew to like phoenician or whatever but it's i mean they
00:49:55.760 had the same grammar they had the same uh genetics there does they worship the same gods
00:50:02.200 el yahweh asherab yam that's all that's all just the canaanite that's the canaanite pantheon you
00:50:07.860 find the same gods all the way in the north in near syria all the way down into sinai region
00:50:13.300 yeah um so yeah Baal Shaman you know the gods of the mountains gods of the
00:50:18.220 uh the heavenly gods you know those pantheon gods there's an inscription that mentions um
00:50:24.420 Baal or um Balaam who's one of the prophets in numbers and believe it or not he's the only person
00:50:31.580 mentioned in the in in the Torah which is only the first five books of Moses I'm not talking
00:50:37.160 about the whole old testament but and the whole first five books which is genesis genesis exodus
00:50:43.340 leviticus numbers and um uh uh numbers and um yeah which one is that okay yeah and uh out of
00:50:52.980 those five books the only person who actually shows up in a source or historical uh any inscription
00:50:59.940 or anything outside of the bible is balaam who's like not even a good character he's like sort of
00:51:05.920 like he's like lukewarm kind of evil um but he he's one of the he has like the gift of prophecy
00:51:12.760 but anyways there's a there's a an inscription from the 9th century bc that mentions him
00:51:20.500 but then it mentions him in conjunction with asher or ishtar l yahweh bell or not i'm sorry
00:51:27.960 yahweh's not in this one but ball is in there a bunch of other gods so it's a totally panthea
00:51:33.160 um totally uh polytheistic but this guy's mentioned on this text which is fascinating
00:51:39.740 uh i forgot why i was bringing that up though but yeah what was your question again i forgot
00:51:44.040 i forget i'm running in my thousand miles an hour here my um in my hand you asked why they're
00:51:50.820 why they're different yeah oh yeah okay that that shows you that figures that are found in the hebrew
00:51:56.660 bible are also famous figures in surrounding inscriptions from other people who aren't jews
00:52:02.680 or israelites and um even the story about abraham when abraham after he fights these wars which is
00:52:10.740 like weird because when you look up the kings of these wars there's like five kings mentioned
00:52:15.540 that are for that are leading armies into this world war it's happening in the middle east and
00:52:21.600 none of these are mentioned by babylonian sources assyrian sources hittite sources egyptian sources
00:52:26.700 you know anyone no no none of these kings are mentioned anywhere outside of genesis one of
00:52:32.300 one of the kings his name is the king of the goyim really what yeah i'm not kidding it's genesis
00:52:39.840 uh one one of the five kings that fights in this war against abraham is the king of the
00:52:46.960 the nations i guess that means the king of the nations but who is that no we don't know and
00:52:51.680 then after the war is over abraham meets this random figure who is the king of a city called
00:52:58.180 salem and his name is melchizedek oh yeah i've heard that's this term yep and you try to find
00:53:04.980 him in the historical record he's nowhere to be found however mel melic sidic is a is a god in
00:53:13.080 the phoenician pantheon and there's even an inscription called the yehi milk uh y-e-h-i-m-i-l-k
00:53:22.700 inscription and if you could see it it shows you the entire inscription on the wikipedia page for
00:53:30.500 it and you can read it and there's it literally mentions melech siddick just king our king king
00:53:38.140 of justice so this is a god in the phoenician pantheon his name is siddick and he's equated
00:53:44.600 with either jupiter or apollo you know depending on kind of how he's described he's sort of like
00:53:50.700 a jupiter figure or apollo you know whatever he's he can heal but he's also like the king of the god
00:53:56.880 of justice right like like zeus or jupiter and he's always described as the king of the gods
00:54:02.820 melech so he's melech siddick melchizedek so what i what what the story of abraham actually looks
00:54:09.660 like it looks like a euhemerization and anyone watching was like what is he what do you mean
00:54:14.200 you hemorrhization means you take gods and turn them into people you d um you d uh what's the
00:54:23.220 deify i guess d d deify them yeah yeah you take the deification from them you make them a mortal
00:54:28.820 human being so mel melchizedek is looks like a you hemorrhized melixitic and that's and that's
00:54:37.200 just interesting to me because um that's a phoenician thing so you like it just shows you
00:54:43.180 their culture is the whole canaanite culture yes just being kind of rewritten as a more uh
00:54:49.880 more suitable for what you want to do in that time period which is rule the region so you
00:54:56.220 wonder unless like is there some ethnogenesis there kind of going on then like uh you know
00:55:01.360 like a genetic bottleneck because of course as they were very similar to others over time then
00:55:06.520 they become extremely isolated right extremely ethnocentric which that's really when you did
00:55:13.720 you know it's kind of that's where i think the um the circumcision comes in where they from they
00:55:21.700 from them not from egyptians well no no i'm saying that's where it comes from the egyptians
00:55:26.420 yes that's true yeah but them doing it as a ritual practice and rather than because the the um the
00:55:33.380 archaeological evidence shows that this wasn't not a thing in canaan for most of the iron age
00:55:39.840 at all this becomes a thing in the hellenistic period by the jews right and um in fact it wasn't
00:55:47.680 even law it wasn't even law of the land until the second century bc under the maccabees before the
00:55:54.920 maccabees you didn't have to do this as a requirement after the maccabees you had to do
00:55:59.500 as a requirement so and so you so the people around them who are also semitic people also
00:56:06.560 semitic linguist linguistic people similar culture well how do we separate us from them well you can
00:56:13.320 do it through some sort of ritual um enactment of sometimes you know whether it be hairstyle
00:56:18.940 whether it be the circumcision there are ways you can make yourselves stand out from the people
00:56:24.800 around you yes yeah yeah because i was thought the egyptians kind of it's an interesting one i
00:56:31.500 always thought it was if i if you because it's very illogical right like what what what in the
00:56:38.460 world is this about right because the first what is it the actual covenant that abraham enters into
00:56:44.320 um is is the the spirit is that also yahweh is that that spirit that shows up and tells it like
00:56:50.100 give me your foreskin he's like 99 years old and like for you for you and me to have a thing here
00:56:54.700 you got to give me your foreskin right um that's basically the story right am i wrong there is
00:57:00.720 there is a story that's mentioned in a fragment from a guy named philo of biblos which is um
00:57:08.980 which is a Lebanese city biblos and it's written in greek but he's quoting from a guy named
00:57:17.860 sanko nathan sanko nathan and this this guy is from the 1200 bc bronze age who he's citing
00:57:26.580 so there's a huge gap in between the fragment that i'm referring to and the original i'm we're
00:57:35.520 talking 1400 or 1300 year gap but anyways yeah this is what he says he says that according to
00:57:42.720 this guy named sakhan yatan sakhan yatan there was a a king named l so his name is literally god
00:57:52.120 l and and then he and then philo says who you guys call chronos or saturn he's he's telling you
00:58:00.340 there's a there was a guy named l who you guys think of as as chrono or as chronos and um he
00:58:08.120 was the king of the country they said and he got an oracle from which deity was it
00:58:15.740 i have to look it up there was a he got an oracle i don't even maybe he doesn't even say
00:58:21.300 he gets an oracle that tells him he needs to sacrifice his only begotten son the name of his
00:58:28.900 son is yay dude why or i iota this is written in greek iota epsilon uh um uh dalit and um
00:58:43.300 or delta i said dal that's hebrew delta epsilon delta so yay dude it looks like almost like judah
00:58:51.960 dude right it's a weird name no one really knows what to do with it but it almost looks like judah
00:58:57.900 in a weird way or jedu right yep he has to sacrifice him and he does and it's kind of
00:59:04.180 like the abraham story where abraham has to sacrifice his only son isaac but in the in the
00:59:09.080 abraham version he the angel stops him in this version he kills his son yay dude and then god
00:59:15.660 says good job now as a as a way to commemorate this every single all of your kids all of your
00:59:24.840 children have to be have to be circumcised at their birth from this day forward right
00:59:30.980 yep there's a this is a Phoenician story about ritual circumcision um it's odd because other
00:59:39.300 there's Phoenician colonies like the Carthaginians and stuff they don't even do circumcision
00:59:42.900 and so right there must have been this must have been a local a local L cult in in Byblos
00:59:51.080 and the story the reason why i'm bringing up that story it's so shockingly similar to the abraham
00:59:57.480 story right and it's supposed to be it's supposed to be way older well but that's what we find with
01:00:03.480 so many of the stories in the bible right that's why you kind of also can't entirely throw out the
01:00:08.580 baby with the bathwater because they've you know as we know but they borrowed enough from the epic
01:00:13.320 of gilgamesh there's egyptian things in there there's you know just a kind of a hodgepodge but
01:00:18.020 with like an inserted with propaganda on top and that's why like you made the the movie analogy
01:00:23.740 before and it's like i think i round up on that point but i said like it's kind of like you gotta
01:00:28.580 kind of have to view it as the first hollywood movie in a way right i mean it's based on some
01:00:32.840 mythology and they've taken some interesting stories but it's kind of like i don't know like
01:00:36.340 you know ben-hur but it just goes on and on and it doesn't really it doesn't stop you know um
01:00:42.420 which is fascinating because that seems to be one of their strengths right it's it's um
01:00:45.880 uh the written word uh story making and and and you know making things up and of course there's
01:00:52.360 enough as i said i think there's enough historical interesting things that are true in there that it's
01:00:57.080 very hard to dismiss then all of it you can't do that either so it becomes a weeding process and
01:01:02.280 who's going to sit and you know through you know go through all that uh i do you know what you're
01:01:06.420 gonna do you're the guy who do it exactly thank you for that by the way i appreciate it throw it
01:01:10.640 all away because even if even if even if we can prove that most of it was redacted in the
01:01:16.700 hellenistic period that doesn't mean all that none of it is basically based on older iron age
01:01:22.920 material right i think it's quite a bit quite a bit of it quite quite a bit of it does actually
01:01:27.660 go back to those first first um temple periods uh and by the way one more thing on the whole
01:01:34.160 making things up thing uh you're right they are good at making things up there's i have a
01:01:39.660 book here where is it the pseudopigrapha this is the pseudopigrapha um by james charlesworth
01:01:48.120 there's two editions i had that the other one back here but this one the blue the one with
01:01:52.280 the blue writing um there's a whole section in here about pseudo greek authors pseudo greek
01:02:00.100 authors and let me just give you the example of who's actually in here um they so what i mean by
01:02:06.780 pseudo greek authors is they um wait what page is it on it's over here somewhere they um they've
01:02:13.720 written in the name of greek authors like homer and hasiod and sophocles and all these here it
01:02:20.520 is right here so they this is this is these date between the third century bc all the way up until
01:02:26.380 like two you know 100 a.d and something like that and the christians start doing the same practice
01:02:32.340 so right what i'm going to say and so they take they take authors like aeschylus the tragedian
01:02:38.800 pythagoras hesia these are all real examples i'm giving you right now sophocles homer
01:02:45.840 and euripides philemon uh diphilus menander and and that's it right that's that's the
01:02:58.600 and what are they doing they're writing texts pretending to be those authors but they're all
01:03:06.100 promoting judaism like they're they have like they have like sophocles saying there's only
01:03:12.600 one god and you cannot make him with wood and metal you cannot worship idols it's all you could
01:03:19.260 tell it's jewish but they're pretending they're pretending to be an author from hundreds of years
01:03:24.240 before them and and you might and someone might say well so what nobody believed that no well
01:03:30.280 today we did yeah clement of alexandria was quoting these fake authors to to do apologetics
01:03:37.700 in the second century a.d for christianity right clement of alexander is arguably the most
01:03:42.400 influential christian apologist of all time single-handedly was part of the reason why so
01:03:49.100 people who came to christianity in the second third century a.d because of him because he was
01:03:54.280 such an educated uh brilliant writer i i even give him credit i like reading it clement um
01:03:59.940 another one eusebius eusebius is the reason why we have all their preserved preserved fragments
01:04:06.260 because he's quoting them left and right he's like even homer said there's only one god and
01:04:11.560 you shouldn't worship idols homer never said that but they use those fake sources and this is one of
01:04:18.960 the things that doesn't get talked about enough is those pseudo texts and how how how big of a
01:04:23.920 deal they were and how instrumental they were in getting people to leave their local traditions
01:04:29.960 to join some foreign one you know if you think about it that's kind of what happened well i mean
01:04:35.660 it is a conquest right it's a conquest of this this god that we're talking about and it's through
01:04:40.700 you know first judaism and then being a challenger kind of in the region and then eventually you know
01:04:45.860 it morphs into, it's a very early, I mean, current European Christianity is obviously very different
01:04:52.200 than like, you know, the revolutionary Judaic movement, you know, during the Second Temple
01:04:57.080 period, obviously. But it's still, it's still a, there is a through line there. And that's actually
01:05:01.540 one of the things I want to get into in the second part. We're going to take a little break here in
01:05:04.360 just a little bit. I'm going to continue in part two over at reddustmembers.com. Subscribe to our
01:05:08.620 locals for you guys. Fascinating discussion. But I do want to tie this into more, obviously,
01:05:12.840 how it evolves into Judaism, as we know that kind of today,
01:05:16.060 but also how it evolves into Christianity eventually.
01:05:19.600 And this idea, too, of—I mean, it's obvious, right?
01:05:23.760 But, like, the very first commandment is, like,
01:05:25.780 you shall have no other gods before me.
01:05:27.520 It's like, okay, so there are others, but it's like a jealous god.
01:05:31.720 It's a very vindictive and jealous god.
01:05:34.000 And it's super ethnocentric, of course, in the Old Testament.
01:05:36.960 And then it becomes this very interesting, like, no ethnicity at all in the New Testament,
01:05:41.600 which is completely kind of antithetical obviously to those original kind of ideas
01:05:45.320 very very interesting and fascinating but i want to give you or um i'm going to give you a little
01:05:50.560 chance to plug some of your stuff as well where people can follow you where they can check out
01:05:54.140 your youtube channel and all that's good stuff because there's just a a treasure trove of
01:05:59.300 material that you're putting out over at gnostic informant on on youtube still going strong on
01:06:04.620 youtube that's good i'd like to see that appreciate that yeah you can find me on youtube as very
01:06:09.700 shown right there and uh i'm on twitter as well same name as that that's pretty much it that's
01:06:14.800 pretty much the two places i'm at yeah it's great stuff um gnostic informant on uh x or or twitter
01:06:23.140 obviously um very good stuff and of course the youtube channel is great there's so many i mean
01:06:27.300 how many gosh you i mean some of the stuff is like just full-on like documentary style and all that
01:06:32.440 you're like the way that you're pulling it together and stuff and of course you obviously
01:06:35.180 you do interviews and shorter videos too but really if people want to dig into it is you know
01:06:39.120 And here's the one that got featured there.
01:06:41.520 One and a half million views almost, right?
01:06:43.160 They lied about the first hundred years of Christianity.
01:06:45.540 I love that kind of stuff.
01:06:46.620 That's interesting.
01:06:47.340 You know what I mean?
01:06:48.420 Yeah, that's one of my favorite.
01:06:49.880 That video I spent a lot of time researching for.
01:06:54.100 That was one of the, I was glad to see it paid off.
01:06:56.720 It sure did.
01:06:57.420 Yeah, exactly.
01:06:58.040 Awesome.
01:06:58.420 That's great.
01:06:58.860 Is there any other way people can support you, support your work?
01:07:01.260 Do you have any books?
01:07:01.800 I'm actually writing a book right now on the stuff that we're talking about.
01:07:07.100 Okay.
01:07:07.720 Yeah.
01:07:07.880 and uh that's i'm gonna i still have probably a few more months on that um but yeah you could
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01:07:26.660 um yeah patreon.com slash gnostic informant that's it very good awesome okay great stuff so i want to
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