Red Ice TV - Imprisoned For Legal Stickers with Sam Melia

00:00:00.000 To dream, the impossible dream To fight, the unbeatable foe

00:00:30.000 To bear, with unbearable sorrow To run, where the brave dare not go

00:00:40.000 To right, the unrightable wrong To be, better far than you are

00:00:51.000 To try, when your arms are too weary To reach, the unreachable star

00:01:01.000 This is my quest, to follow that star No matter how hopeless, no matter how far

00:01:12.000 To be willing to give, when there's no more to give To be willing to die, so that honor and justice may live

00:01:23.000 And I know, if I'll only be true To this glorious quest

00:01:31.000 That my heart will lie peaceful and calm When I'm laid to my rest

00:01:41.000 And the world will be better for this That one man, scorned and covered with scars

00:01:51.000 Still strove with his last ounce of courage To reach, the unreachable star

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00:02:29.000 and welcome back ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining us here red ice tv i'm henrik thank

00:02:57.080 you for tuning in everybody it's march 5th 2026 almost at 2025 actually but uh howly smokes spring

00:03:04.160 just around the corner and we got some good things to talk about today some positive things

00:03:08.800 uh a good redemption or not a redemption arc that's the wrong word but an an arc bending towards

00:03:14.680 justice in this actual case right because we're talking about uh sam milia's case over in the uk

00:03:19.600 having the state breathe down his neck and his wife's neck his family's neck for the last five

00:03:24.700 years a legal process he was imprisoned he basically put up some stickers back i think it's back in 2019

00:03:31.280 if i have the timeline correct we'll uh we'll have sam explain that to us and now finally he's out

00:03:35.700 able to talk to us able to describe what happened the whole process uh it's it's it's crazy how many

00:03:42.400 people we've kept an eye on and some that we've talked to uh right like sven longshanks in the uk

00:03:47.480 the number of people that have been imprisoned and actually quite a few things have gone down in that

00:03:53.420 process as well during that time but anyway sam sam milia welcome to uh red ice good to uh good to

00:03:58.080 have you on the show how are you uh thank you for having me i'm doing well yeah it's uh spring is

00:04:03.180 definitely springing i think this is the first bit of sunshine we've had feels like forever um

00:04:08.560 so we've been out with the kids in the garden and uh it's they're loving it and i'm loving it so uh

00:04:14.960 yeah i'm i'm glad to be here nice welcome back man good to see you thank you uh yeah we got some

00:04:20.280 sunshine around here too ready for spring for sure all right so so let's just let's kind of take

00:04:25.840 it from the top before we get into you know obviously what you what happens now and all that

00:04:29.540 stuff right but for those who are not familiar with the case did i get that right 2019 is that when

00:04:33.900 it was the hundred handers project and i remember it at the time when that was going on it was a great

00:04:38.900 project it was you and a few other lads i believe right so kind of tell us that story preceding

00:04:43.360 all the legal issues well originally it started back in 2015 um i began publishing them uh i think

00:04:50.940 i opened up with the first maybe 30 or so stickers um but it all came from i've i'd had some dabbles in

00:04:59.000 political activism and even joined a political party and ran for local office and um well after the

00:05:07.700 local office run uh some one of the anti-white ngos that operate in the uk um found my posts on

00:05:15.520 facebook and i've been talking about uh jewish supremacy and this kind of stuff and the party i

00:05:21.300 was running with was one of those kind of like reform now uh but back in the day it was called for

00:05:26.000 britain but it's a very kind of pro-zionist anti-immigration thing so my um anti-semitic posts

00:05:33.180 were enough for them to be like you've got to go so once i left that and i'd i'd been to a few

00:05:38.500 demonstrations and i just i wasn't too happy with where we were at in the uk and i thought something

00:05:45.060 else needs to be done and at the time there was a lot of bannings on social media twitter facebook

00:05:51.020 youtube and things like that as well so i thought what needs to happen next is something that's going

00:05:56.900 to be anonymous um something that doesn't rely on you know social media profiles in order to spread

00:06:03.160 um and that's when i came up with this idea of the hundred handers um and the name lends itself

00:06:09.180 from greek mythology which is the sentiments which are these kind of many-headed hundred-armed um

00:06:15.360 beasts that took down the titans i think it was uh if memory serves and i figured it's like right if

00:06:23.080 i have central control over it and i'm the head then it's like i can moderate the message um to stay

00:06:30.600 within uk speech laws which are particularly stringent um so every sticker i produced was

00:06:37.940 numbered um and with every release you you got all the stickers and they were never once they

00:06:45.600 were published they were never changed as well so it's like if if another sticker came out at the

00:06:50.000 blue it couldn't be attributed to the group and been um you know if it'd been completely way past

00:06:55.560 the uh what our speech laws would have got us in in trouble for um and and that served me well um

00:07:03.360 because through the trial they tried to introduce a number of stickers that just weren't attributed to

00:07:08.060 the hundred handers at all with very inflammatory messages and i was able to say what number was that

00:07:13.940 and it's oh it didn't have a number then it won't want to mine you know and and we managed to get that

00:07:19.800 evidence tossed however of course so that was an intentional strategy with the numbering of them

00:07:24.620 like that oh yeah 100 okay um same with the anonymity as well not like that was an intentional

00:07:31.820 not to hide any illegal activity but purely to avoid any ego attachment to it no personality

00:07:38.840 attachment to it so you could say well yeah just basically to to make it so the stickers all that

00:07:46.140 mattered about them was the message um it didn't matter about who was putting them out or and like

00:07:51.920 that and we continued and we kind of grew steadily and they started popping up in other countries

00:07:57.460 australia america across europe and people offered to translate some of them to their native tongues

00:08:03.140 so it's like we ended up having a section of french stickers german stickers dutch stickers

00:08:07.280 and uh eventually i think it was 20 late 2020 um uh was it that that same kind of anti-white

00:08:16.780 ngo in the uk kind of exposed me um and it was because i think what was it now i think they got

00:08:25.120 it from a voice i think i i'd appeared on some sort of stream maybe with laura as myself and then i've

00:08:32.140 got quite a distinctive stutter and then i'd done some sort of stream as the hundred anders and they'd

00:08:37.820 put two and two together i thought you said they used like palantir's latest ai technology to like

00:08:43.000 backtrack to you know well i mean they do shit like that some oh yeah yeah but i think this was

00:08:49.280 just purely it's like oh yeah he's got a distinct accent and the stutter and it's like you know and

00:08:54.520 and at that point as well um with the arrival of patriotic alternative here in the uk uh i i was

00:09:01.560 winding down the hundred handers because i felt like we had a good vehicle moving forward you know

00:09:06.200 like i attended that first conference and i was surrounded by these like attractive well-spoken

00:09:11.140 smart people and i was like okay this this seems like something that's really going to go

00:09:15.660 um so the hundred handers started to wind down at that point really and also after five six years

00:09:21.560 producing stickers every month you kind of find yourself reinventing the wheel where it's like

00:09:26.740 there's only so much that can be said so yeah um and then i'd kind of retired at late 2020

00:09:32.820 and then in april 2021 that's when the arrest came and i was picked up on my way to work i'd just

00:09:39.120 dropped off some parcels for grammar towels which is uh laura's business and uh i turned around

00:09:46.040 after grabbing a red bull from the fridge and uh there was i mean he felt huge but i'm sure he's

00:09:52.940 probably about the same size as me this copper and he just immediately put a handcuff on me and i was

00:09:58.480 like what's going on and they led me outside and you know took everything out of my pockets and they

00:10:04.340 were like uh it's like you're under arrest for um there were four charges initially two of them were

00:10:10.700 quite severe it was um possession of terrorist material and something to do with like international

00:10:15.700 funding for terrorism and i was like that's bizarre and then the others were it was distribution of

00:10:21.320 material meant to incite racial hatred which is what the trial eventually went towards and what

00:10:26.700 they'd done is when they'd searched me they'd taken my house keys and while i was on my way to the

00:10:32.440 police station they had gone to my house and let themselves in so the first thing laura knew that

00:10:39.100 they were there was the bedroom door opening and three ununiformed uh police officers walking in and

00:10:47.020 she thought she was about to get jumped by antifa or something like there's no warning for this

00:10:51.260 whatsoever and they tore the house the house apart um searched everything they took every digital device

00:10:57.660 um not just phones and computers but um i think we had like a playstation 4 that went um any usb drives

00:11:04.300 that were lying about sd cards it's like just we had nothing um and uh and i was questioned for i think

00:11:13.000 about four hours total give no comment interviews throughout um but a lot of it was

00:11:19.200 it's just nonsense really it's like it didn't relate to the content of the stickers at that point

00:11:24.960 um and those two serious charges were dropped as well because i presume they'd searched the house

00:11:30.600 failed to find any terrorist material or stacks of russian money or whatever they were looking for

00:11:35.560 and uh sounds like it sounds like they can just make up charges then yeah like if there's no reasonable

00:11:41.900 uh what do you call it like a plausible indication that this might be a crime hence we need to investigate

00:11:49.960 that just doesn't exactly it doesn't make sense at all it's not like the project required huge amounts of

00:11:54.940 funding like i designed it to be as cheap as possible so like the stickers were available

00:11:59.220 from amazon for hence and then the printer itself is you know like a 30 pound label printer

00:12:05.280 yeah so it's not like this had to be funded by by an enemy state or anything like that come on i ran

00:12:10.820 money was just flowing right in you know yeah yeah but in order to find me it had taken a two-year

00:12:17.300 counter-terror investigation so you do wonder if after two years do they have to justify the cost

00:12:23.380 yeah exactly yep you know and then when they go to a um

00:12:27.660 uh oh yeah uh not not barrister but when they go to the courts here to request a search warrant

00:12:35.760 would they get it based on he's put out some stickers exactly so they had to set a higher bar

00:12:42.740 than that they knew that actually could go for yeah yeah and i'm i'm i was told by my solicitor as

00:12:48.540 well he says like when counter-terror approached the courts they asked they say you know we need

00:12:56.160 you to jump they go how high you know there's no questioning like what's the what's the intelligence

00:13:00.740 backing up up here yeah what's your proof yep yeah yeah so um i ended up being released on bail

00:13:06.620 and i think for about two years we were just kind of had it looming over us and then we started

00:13:11.100 chasing him and being like can we either charge us or just drop this because nothing seems to be

00:13:16.040 coming were you and obviously during that period you were handcuffed so to speak in your ability

00:13:21.600 to speak or to act or do anything is that correct yeah yeah i mean the bail restrictions weren't too

00:13:27.040 bad in terms of the my political activity it ramped up after after the arrest um i think it wasn't long

00:13:33.000 after that that we did our first kind of like like megaphone demo in the street um and and everything

00:13:39.920 the restrictions were weird things like you can't stay away from home um overnight so i mean

00:13:45.200 obviously that put pay to any sort of holidays or anything but the only time i really tried

00:13:49.500 was um there was a pa conference and uh they'd been they'd been pursuing me because there was an

00:13:57.000 encrypted uh usb stick and it contained the membership data for my local region in patriotic alternative

00:14:03.380 which i led and they couldn't get into it and uh when i asked to stay away from the conference

00:14:09.200 the officer was uh when is this going to end and he goes like listen it ends when you want it to end

00:14:16.820 obviously being like you know just give us the details and let you run free and they were just

00:14:21.920 like this guy um but when he eventually came to bring the charges he definitely he didn't seem happy

00:14:28.720 about it i think he i mean if he's running around in like the counter-terrorism offices i imagine him

00:14:34.300 being there you ever see that film the other guys with mark walberg and like the rest of the bell but

00:14:39.500 it was yeah like doing really cool things and everything he's there doing parking tickets and

00:14:44.700 it's like the rest of the counter-terrorist offices they're doing like mission impossible mission

00:14:48.160 stopping people from laying pipe bombs and everything then he's there going like yeah they're saving the

00:14:52.940 i got the stickers guys they're like oh my god this guy you know um and they finally brought the charges

00:15:01.340 and attached to the distribution to uh of material meant to incite racial hatred was this criminal damage

00:15:09.080 card um encouraging racially aggravated criminal damage like criminal damage and it was for the

00:15:15.480 stickers on street furniture lampposts and stuff like that and the way i designed the stickers it's just

00:15:20.320 paper stickers they're bio they're biodegradable they fade away after a few weeks it's like they're

00:15:24.640 not there to permanently scar the landscape or anything and it's like i mean stickers are

00:15:30.640 everywhere you know it's like bands put them up uh political groups religions and it's like no one's

00:15:35.560 chasing them for criminal damage so surely this won't stand and that's what my barrister said as well

00:15:41.860 before the trial he was like there's no way because first you'd have to prove it's criminal damage

00:15:45.960 which would then mean all stickers are criminal damage um and then you'd have to prove it's racially

00:15:51.520 aggravated you know uh so yeah and then we had to trial uh a year a year after that and um that was

00:16:00.580 pretty intense but again the the counterterrorism sergeant when he arrived at the court i really wanted to

00:16:07.360 kind of get a feel for him see if he was coming in you know very confident and he wasn't i mean he

00:16:13.620 looked ill and when he was up in the stand being questioned by the prosecution who's on his side

00:16:19.220 he just didn't he didn't have anything it's he wasn't there full of fire and brimstone or anything

00:16:26.040 um a lot of the stickers had qr codes to links and the prosecution would tee him up and be like oh

00:16:32.120 where did this lead you know expecting something really bad i think there was a link to red ice

00:16:36.320 um on one of them and it's like but every time the prosecution would say where did this go and

00:16:42.180 he'd just be like i don't know it's like come on man um but we eventually because the prosecution's

00:16:49.520 kind of kill shot was like oh how many crimes have resulted from these stickers and uh the officer

00:16:56.200 was like oh there's uh been like 34 or something like that and i was like i don't think so so i put

00:17:02.700 my hand up because you're in a fishbowl at the back of the court you're just watching all this play out

00:17:06.080 in front in front of you and i put my hand up and the judge seemed quite amused by this

00:17:10.100 so we let my barrister come back and i said to my barrister through the glass i was like

00:17:14.240 ask him how many have actually been incited by these because i think the crimes he's talking about

00:17:19.920 are just the criminal damage of stickers on lampposts but how many he's saying all these crimes have

00:17:24.840 been incited how many have actually happened um and my barrister went back up and uh asked him it's

00:17:30.840 like has there been actual incitement of racial hatred from any of these stickers and we and the

00:17:36.880 counter-terrorism work before say no there hasn't been you know over at this point it would have

00:17:42.600 been six years of these stickers being out there in the world there was no actual citation of any sort

00:17:48.400 of racial hatred and to say that apparently that's what i meant to do kind of begs the question it's

00:17:54.960 like well was he just entirely inept at stirring up racial hatred it doesn't feel like it'd be that hard

00:18:01.580 to do um you know but it's uh but here we were no crime committed um and uh we were in in court and

00:18:12.340 basically having to defend myself from the state who was alleging that it's like when you wrote these

00:18:17.280 stickers secretly in your mind you were being racist and you wanted to incite racial hatred and

00:18:24.580 so much of our defense um was basically i mean this was evidence that the prosecution entered it was

00:18:31.060 private messages going back five years and i'm talking to people who are friends i've got no

00:18:36.260 reason to lie to them but you know i i think i'm talking in private and i'm saying these stickers are

00:18:41.920 here to start a conversation to let white people know that there's other white people who think like

00:18:47.620 them in their local vicinity um and they couldn't find any like private messages of me saying like it's

00:18:56.760 like i'm doing this but on the sly i really i've got nefarious intent right yeah you know and it

00:19:03.540 included to the point where i literally had rules that went out with every pack of stickers and it

00:19:08.800 said don't place these anywhere where it could be considered inflammatory or intimidatory you know

00:19:15.860 so it's like all all the evidence seems to present someone who's trying to stay within in in the law

00:19:22.700 even to the point where i think a few years back there'd been one sticker i'd removed from the

00:19:30.480 archive and with every new release there was a change log which had the date of release and then

00:19:37.040 also what's changed in this archive and there was one release where it says oh i've removed sticker

00:19:42.460 169 because i i feel it borders on incitement and we don't condone the use of this sticker going

00:19:48.920 foot forward now if the entire project was to incite why would i be deleting stickers that i feel

00:19:56.460 pushed too far you know it's it was madness and it felt like i was going crazy in the back of that

00:20:03.240 courtroom how long was it going on on for how long was the uh it was a week and a half including i think

00:20:09.980 it was about a two a day and a half maybe of jury deliberation um but yeah but so much of it as well

00:20:16.500 is just the prosecution like you you spend maybe three four days just trawling through the evidence

00:20:24.160 before you even get a say um and that's just the way british courts work um i had an american lawyer

00:20:30.940 friend who was sitting in and he was losing his mind because obviously you know if if something comes

00:20:37.840 up that's false you can go objection right and it can be struck yeah you know like there and then

00:20:42.500 whereas here in the british courts i think uh the prosecution entered this evidence of a newspaper

00:20:48.100 article about razor blades behind stickers oh yeah i remember that yeah yeah and it's like a left

00:20:54.520 wing meme that right wing stickers have razor blades beneath them how that would work i don't know i mean

00:20:59.620 you see a sticker i think you'd notice if there's a bloody razor blade hiding behind it but um again i

00:21:06.120 stuck my hand up and i called the barrister over and i was like what are you doing it's like that's

00:21:10.720 not ever happened it's like and definitely not with my stickers um and uh and he was like oh yeah

00:21:17.680 i've made a note of it and we'll go over it when you're in deposition in four days from now we'll

00:21:22.000 be able to talk about it i was like right so we're just going to allow that to embed with the jury

00:21:26.820 you know take root maybe have a weekend before i get in the box and it's like and then at the end of

00:21:33.380 it you've just got to try and work backwards and um and work against the mountain of evidence that

00:21:39.260 they've put against you um and try and deal with all the kind of spurious allegations so um but yeah

00:21:46.140 the american was just like i think he stormed in with my barrister once and he was like this

00:21:51.060 this court system it's like there's a reason we left

00:21:53.760 yeah yikes all right so that whole process you're going through all that

00:22:02.140 what did it boil down to because let's talk about the stickers specifically then and remind people

00:22:09.760 obviously some of the messages and and as slogans and and you know memes whatever that you had on

00:22:15.300 there but was it boiled down to like these are the 10 kind of that's like of interest to the court or

00:22:21.440 like how did that work did they hone in on a few things or did they take everything into account

00:22:25.660 well of the i think there was total about 300 in the archive by the time it finished um but the

00:22:32.240 counterterrorism police presented 14 that were kind of that they felt constituted an offense you know

00:22:39.900 taken all together again i mean the idea wasn't ever to put up all 300 stickers in one place so you

00:22:46.340 shouldn't you shouldn't receive all the messages of at once it's kind of like picking random words

00:22:51.340 and different pages of a book and being like well put them together you know um but these 14 stickers

00:22:57.500 most of them were relating to the rape gangs here in the uk and uh i mean two years ago feels like

00:23:05.520 a different age since then i i came out of prison to find you know i was in court defending whether they

00:23:13.400 even existed and then i came out of prison to find out that the government's kind of like yes they did

00:23:18.940 exist yes we knew all along yeah oh we all we also know there's a demographic of pakistani

00:23:24.820 men who are predominantly involved in it and it's like i had to argue that they even like like our

00:23:33.360 defense evidence was basically it's like look here's me here's media here's politicians talking about it

00:23:39.080 um it's like to address it is not in and of itself racist um and so that was kind of wild coming out to

00:23:48.440 that but that but those are the 14 that the prosecution thought you know these are the worst

00:23:53.620 but then they had an expert witness and this guy is a professor i think paul jackson he's of a

00:23:59.400 university in the uk but he's basically an antifa professor he maintains the searchlight archive

00:24:06.320 searchlights like a far left communist antifa publications been going for decades you know back

00:24:13.560 with bmp the nf and everything we're about and he maintains that archive and then you look at the

00:24:19.200 courses that he teaches and it's like you know a hundred years of far right rhetoric and all this

00:24:23.660 kind of and it's like this guy and somehow him he's not considered biased by the courts but he came in

00:24:30.460 and he highlighted a bunch of different stickers and the judge was like hang on i thought we were

00:24:36.320 talking about these 14 and you're talking about these ones and then the um the judge just asked the

00:24:42.220 prosecution it was like well do you want to include these ones as well and if we're going to include

00:24:46.340 them we'll include all of them and i thought this would be good because once you include all of them

00:24:51.960 you realize that the project wasn't primarily about race or immigration it covered everything you had

00:24:59.840 things you had stickers just saying like lift weights uh stop watching porn um you know it's like

00:25:06.740 just after six years you'd covered almost every imaginable topic um so i thought this is good

00:25:14.100 and when we went home that night me and laura went through the 300 stickers and we actually totaled up

00:25:19.200 how many make reference to race you know even as loosely as like calling it you know diversity

00:25:23.700 multiculturalism things like that and it turned out to be 13 percent and i thought it's like well this

00:25:28.980 this has got to be a kill shot surely for my defense to be kind of like literally one in ten

00:25:34.860 mentioned race so how can this this whole project but you know the jury uh didn't feel that way it's uh

00:25:42.780 it was kind of wild and by the time we'd reached the end the end of the trial i think i did well

00:25:47.700 in in the box the people you know friends and family observing said that i did well and uh and my

00:25:55.200 barrister's closing statement as well was really good um really leaning on the kind of free speech angle

00:26:00.600 because from the beginning the prosecution had admitted that the stickers were all uh they may

00:26:06.420 be extreme but they are lawful um and then uh he also admitted that they were true um but the jury

00:26:13.920 was to disregard whether they were true or not because apparently the truth is no defense in court

00:26:18.660 that's correct you're just like right okay so we've got lawful stickers true stickers however what

00:26:25.240 really matters is the secret goings-on inside this big head of mine um it's like so so it is it is

00:26:33.220 ultimately a thought crime then you could literally say oh yeah 100 because that that's all all the

00:26:39.700 evidence that they brought brought up for like here's why these true legal stickers are an offense

00:26:44.920 was kind of like here's some jokes he made three years ago and everything and um and it's just like

00:26:51.160 okay so now now i'm having to explain jokes to a jury and it's like you know there's nothing worse

00:26:58.220 than that having to explain why you laughed about something it's like oh god it's like it just feels

00:27:04.740 really cringe and it's like if you don't find it funny then i guess two years later was a meme that

00:27:09.460 now you've kind of like you know yeah you've left to that exactly it's so you know expendable

00:27:16.000 what do you call it like yeah it's some in the moment right usually those types of things anyway

00:27:21.040 yeah and it's like the idea that something like like that eventually you're going to get pulled up

00:27:25.540 on that there's going to be a screenshot of it in court and you'll be asked to explain the full

00:27:30.400 context behind it and you're like oh my gosh oh my god it's like this it immediately puts you on a

00:27:36.300 defensive posture which looks bad you know um right but uh but like i say the barrister's closing

00:27:42.300 statement really leaning on that free speech angle and it's like even if you don't agree

00:27:45.960 we understand that these are legal um he was fantastic uh but yeah that jury just i i really

00:27:53.880 couldn't believe it but that's juries now in a you know this modern multicultural age it's you

00:28:00.020 know supposed to be a jury of your peers um i mean three three of them weren't even my countrymen

00:28:05.240 right um there was a one black guy who seemed to be fresh off the boat like his accent was still

00:28:10.700 heavily africanized um and it's like right well i mean that's three people who immediately are

00:28:17.620 probably going to bury me yeah you know uh so it's and and then it's like asking white people to

00:28:23.940 defend another white man's free speech to non-whites it's not many who are willing who are willing to do

00:28:29.420 it yeah because they deliberate among themselves right yeah yeah yeah for a day for a day and a

00:28:36.040 half yeah yeah and that again i had my hopes raised because at one point we were called back in after

00:28:41.640 maybe two hours and the jury asked the judge it's like are we supposed to take just the 14 or the whole

00:28:48.000 archive and he said well you take the whole archive and there was one guy um kind of really real

00:28:54.940 shit tip shit lib kind of phenotype but he hated me from the moment he saw me but his he like visibly

00:29:01.420 sank in his chair when when they're informed to take the whole archive in and i thought cool that's

00:29:07.480 because when you look at all the archive you can't say this was clearly the sole focus of it was to

00:29:13.620 incite racial hatred um and uh but then yeah a day later they came out and um i think we got called

00:29:23.020 back to court from the canteen and we had our child with us and uh laura stayed back in the canteen

00:29:29.500 with her and i think we went up there got the verdict and of course the jury was dismissed and

00:29:35.640 they they exited via the canteen and uh laura saw him coming out and you know they're all laughing

00:29:42.700 and joking together and everything and i just think it's like you've no idea what you just did to me

00:29:47.900 you know um at this point the charges you know we're talking three to seven years potentially

00:29:54.780 uh and it's just like um you know laura's pregnant at the time um you know and it's like i think she

00:30:02.960 was six seven months long yeah it's just like i'm i'm if this is custodial i'm going to jail it's

00:30:10.580 i'm gonna miss the birth of my second daughter uh i just couldn't believe it um yeah which you did

00:30:17.580 yeah yeah yeah yeah i think i was calling laura about every hour while i was inside when she was

00:30:25.600 uh going into labor and then um i think i gave up at like 10 o'clock i said i'll let you get some sleep

00:30:31.800 and uh violet arrived in the early hours of the morning and when i called her at 7 a.m

00:30:38.320 there was a little gurgling voice on the other end of the line um i think i think we had a visit

00:30:43.600 scheduled for three days after that so i got to hold her when she was very young but just missed

00:30:49.020 that i mean you've you've got kids that moment when they're just fresh that's a crime that's a

00:30:54.640 crime in or itself you know i mean holy smokes so okay so i do want to kind of talk more about that

00:30:59.860 too obviously afterwards and all that and the prison time but um so based on the jury's uh you know

00:31:09.060 conclusion in the case or whatever the judge because i thought it was this line too right i mean

00:31:12.900 that's kind of the the takeaway here is is really what is the title of the of your book obviously

00:31:17.960 that you've written about this which is legal truthful guilty right but this idea it doesn't

00:31:22.420 matter excuse me it doesn't matter that the stickers are are legal doesn't matter that it's the truth

00:31:28.160 we know what's in your head basically right we we you you you bad right you're a bad person so we

00:31:34.680 got to show we got to make an example out of you essentially right does that in some way kind

00:31:39.560 of come out of the judge's mouth at some point no i mean the judge during the trial seemed

00:31:46.140 not favorable to me but fair at the very least and there was a month between the um verdict and

00:31:54.320 the sentence so we're allowed to go home for a month and then we came back and then when we re-entered

00:31:59.240 that courtroom i i was optimistic about my chances of being a suspended sentence which it could it could

00:32:05.920 have been basically you know sent home on um bail and probation um but as soon as he came out i was

00:32:12.940 like this this is a different guy um and the way he was talking was very solemn like oh this is a

00:32:20.580 serious crime and he he was very dramatic about it as well he came out and he's like still got a lot to

00:32:28.420 think about with this so we'll reconvene in 20 minutes and we left and uh and my solicitor was like

00:32:34.380 you uh you probably done um he's been overly dramatic to kind of basically he's going to bury

00:32:41.260 you and he needs to make it seem like he's given it a lot of thought but he'll have pre-written a

00:32:45.300 whole speech in it and everything and we went back in and this because when he was advising the jury

00:32:51.640 on how to give a verdict he he he quoted that i think it's misquoted as voltaire they you may

00:32:58.640 disagree but i'll defend your right to the death to say it or something like that but he quoted that to

00:33:03.540 the jury which implied to me that it's like you're basically giving the jury a get out to be like

00:33:09.060 not guilty i would have thought um but yeah when when he came back out for sentencing it all of a

00:33:14.500 sudden it was like you are a filthy anti-semite and you're threatening the fabric of society and

00:33:20.580 everything and he he quoted actually because there was pro-palestine protests in the uk at the time and

00:33:27.360 i think some of them had made death threats to mps and he said like we need to make a example of

00:33:32.940 anti-semites like yourself um and people found his twitter afterwards and it turns out he's very

00:33:38.700 zionist um and i don't think that the stickers we'd addressed in the courtroom like i say they were

00:33:44.480 primarily about the rape gangs there were there was some anti-zionist stuff in there talking about

00:33:49.920 jewish occupied government and things like that but none of those really came up

00:33:54.080 so maybe he just wasn't aware of those you know i hadn't touched the particular nerve that he had

00:33:59.480 um but uh following that i was as soon as he started talking i was like he's gonna get me

00:34:05.420 um and uh yeah i i just dead-eyed him i i didn't want him to know that it had any

00:34:11.540 reaction to me as well and uh yeah two years um custodial and i was just like this this guy

00:34:19.280 this guy and you know stood up but you know said i love you to laura and then they took me

00:34:25.880 into the back room and that's where the kind of jail journey began there yeah so two years so that

00:34:33.040 was what so when was the sentencing what year was that again remind me it was march 1st 2024

00:34:38.860 2024 okay that's right okay yeah so that's still see how long that process did because you know

00:34:45.020 in this case obviously you got you know you got jail time you were in prison that's obviously the

00:34:49.860 punishment but i'm saying the process is also the punishment you know i mean like they did the

00:34:54.680 stress of that they just you know the whole thing right and um that it's prolonged and dragged out

00:35:00.840 that way and and and as you said then what's interesting then you're in there for you know to about

00:35:07.300 two years right and then and the even in those two years even proceeding from the time like the initial

00:35:13.560 charges were had to when you were in prison that then the temperament the attitudes the the

00:35:19.800 discussions in the media of these types of topics have already begun to change and then it's almost

00:35:24.720 like racer pace those other two years and what you i'm not sure how much you are able are you able to

00:35:32.720 keep up with these things when you're when you're in the prison what how what was that like i mean in

00:35:37.440 in the prison you've got access to tv but there's only 20 channels so you can catch up on like bbc news

00:35:43.440 and everything but you can read into headlines and understand stories a bit more when you when

00:35:48.400 you're aware as we are um and then once i was out because we have a thing in the uk where you

00:35:54.180 you basically do either half or three quarters of your term depending on how how long you've got away

00:35:59.500 so i was i would have been out of prison on february 28th and then the remaining year i would have spent

00:36:07.240 on license which is basically you have a number of restrictions on you but you are relatively free

00:36:12.920 you know you've got an ankle monitor and everything but uh because of the prisons are so overcrowded in

00:36:18.740 the uk uh care star introduced something called sts 40 which meant that everyone served 40 which for me

00:36:25.840 was really fortunate because it meant i got out on december 17th so i was out in time for christmas

00:36:30.620 with the kids which was amazing yeah good um i really wasn't looking forward to missing that

00:36:35.540 uh while i was away and um but then the restrictions that they had me on but yeah in terms of the

00:36:42.840 acceleration like i say during the trial just having to argue that rape gangs exist i came out and i'm

00:36:49.040 watching news night on the bbc and they've got four five of the survivors of these gangs and the news

00:36:57.540 night presenter is being like yeah it's predominantly pakistani muslims and everything and then i think

00:37:02.340 there was some police commissioner or something who went like oh you know we shouldn't forget that

00:37:06.480 uh primarily white people engage in these crimes and and these survivors going no no we're talking

00:37:13.440 about something very different from like your uncle molesting you we're talking you know just

00:37:17.540 potentially hundreds of men having predated upon these girls um and and then the conversation

00:37:23.900 since then it's like you know we've had restore britain just pop up and all of a sudden we've got

00:37:28.580 a sitting mp saying millions must go whereas i feel like all it took was a month ago we right it was

00:37:36.280 still kind of like deporting people was just completely taboo yeah now it seems like an arms race between

00:37:41.960 labor conservatives reform and and restore to be it's like it's like right who's who's deporting the

00:37:48.080 most you know at least in rhetoric but yes i get your point you know yes yeah yeah yeah um until i

00:37:54.220 see tires leave uh leaving the tarmac i'm uh yeah i am skeptical yes i agree agree um yeah so the

00:38:00.640 environment's changed tremendously and even i mean even in this time there was i mean i think maybe they

00:38:06.860 started then it's a little bit hard to piece together the the time uh line and remember every event

00:38:12.620 exactly when they happened but regardless i swear the last two years alone massive amounts of

00:38:20.140 protest outside of these migrant hotels that whole debate it popped off and exploded essentially what

00:38:25.600 i'm saying is like you see the whole country you know rising up where migration demographics these

00:38:33.820 become the biggest topics in the country you know i mean the southport attacks i think they were

00:38:39.580 was it late july or early august something like that yeah but that was uh was it rudy cabana or

00:38:45.900 something correct but when he he stabbed all those girls three died and i think that was something that

00:38:52.340 really touched people and it was also very you know the rape gangs it's always historical you know

00:38:58.040 the men who are in court for it now did it 10 15 years ago which allows a sort of kind of mental

00:39:04.060 disconnect for most people you know it's something that did happen but it's not happening now you know

00:39:08.960 i can guarantee you in 15 years time there's going to be someone in court for doing it today right

00:39:15.240 yeah yeah but the southport attacks i think really fired people up and it's not something we haven't

00:39:22.520 really seen that over here you know even the manchester arena bombing it's we saw the aftermath

00:39:28.720 whereas here there was video of you know kids bleeding out on the street and it and and it's and it's and

00:39:36.600 the person who'd done it as well looks just looks psychotic where you're just like how why was he

00:39:41.420 even here you know that this person just looks so alien to britain um and a number of the men who

00:39:49.120 were arrested during the unrest following it came through the prison that i was in right and they were

00:39:55.860 they were just getting hammered and they'd been promised go guilty we'll get you through the trial

00:40:00.720 quick and we'll give you a soft sentence and instead because of the media scrutiny judges

00:40:06.760 were absolutely hammering the these guys so it's you had people it's like you know family men this is

00:40:13.860 the first time that they've been out on any sort of political action and they're like oh i threw a

00:40:18.320 traffic cone and i'm in i'm doing two two years and six months you know and i think there was one guy

00:40:23.820 where the judge literally said like i wouldn't normally give you a custodial sentence however the media

00:40:29.660 scrutiny means that i am required to and it's like jesus so actually i think if the guys admitted

00:40:35.760 that the media scrutiny really uh the judge yeah uh really i've got it quote i've got it quoted in my

00:40:41.560 i mean that's um i mean we we kind of allude to it obviously and we and we're aware of it

00:40:47.420 you know but you in terms of like how much power the media has in some cases you certainly they're

00:40:53.500 lap dogs and they walk around and they just uh they become disseminators of press releases from

00:40:59.820 the government or something like that but in other cases it seems that they're also driving the

00:41:03.380 kind of the cultural narrative in a way that you know you you lose um it feels like they've lost a

00:41:10.620 lot of credibility i guess that's my point which they have but that doesn't mean they've lost the

00:41:14.440 power if that makes sense oh no no i think the power is still very much there um but yeah the credit

00:41:20.860 the credibility is just completely tanked uh i mean especially you know with uh with gaza this new

00:41:27.620 war in iran it's like that credibility just seems to be going further and further down and people

00:41:32.300 looking at elsewhere to telegram you know osin channels and everything to to get exactly what's

00:41:38.480 happening yeah on the ground rather than uh this sanitized version that um because again that that

00:41:46.780 played into why i had to be shut down you know whereas the media did report on the rape gangs

00:41:53.360 everything like that however it was muted and then the context was always isolation where it's like

00:42:00.940 this has happened but there's there's no relation to any group um and it's just an individual did this

00:42:07.160 to another in individual and that's all and i think part of what them what makes them fear us is

00:42:14.780 because it's like we're willing to say it's like no that group attacked our group and we can toss

00:42:20.780 up the number of attacks from that group to our group and then come to a satisfying um conclusion

00:42:26.300 from that where we go they just need to be gone um whereas yeah it's uh the media can report on any

00:42:33.340 number of these things and it's always don't do anything next don't don't get active don't join a

00:42:40.780 political party that's promising to get rid of them or anything like that uh whereas you know it's

00:42:47.740 that's the opposite to what we we say where it's kind of like it's like no if you're angry about this

00:42:53.680 get involved do something right yeah no exactly so how was the time in the uh prison take us through

00:43:00.500 that a little bit and what do you experience where where you moved around we talked with sven

00:43:04.440 longshanks here there's a couple of months ago as well another political prisoner in the uk

00:43:08.160 uh but you know he talked how many times he was moved is the ordeal of everything like how how was

00:43:13.660 it like for you for you tell us give us an insight into it a little bit i mean it's scary going in i

00:43:17.900 think every for every man it's uh it's kind of probably one of the scariest kind of places where

00:43:22.520 you know you're going to be tested um and especially because so much of our media comes from america

00:43:26.440 um you think prison is just like nothing but shivving and raping and uh thankfully british prisons

00:43:33.540 are not quite like that so uh uh not much raping um but yeah when i was going in i was kind of like

00:43:41.100 oh my god it's like i'm gonna be amongst these people it's like you know the kind of criminal class

00:43:45.380 or whatever it's like how will i fare with them and turns out pretty well like i i made a lot of

00:43:52.240 friends of people in there um i never faced any sort of danger or anything like that um it's

00:44:00.500 for a lot of them in there it's it is kind of like an adult daycare because it's just a kind

00:44:06.900 of temporary holiday away from their regular criminal lives and once when they get out they'll

00:44:11.220 go straight back to it um but i yeah i did well and then you're talking to other prisoners and it

00:44:18.360 obviously it depends what you're in for if you're in for a um sexual offenses rape um or or a pedophile

00:44:26.380 or anything like that you're in a lot of danger like if you're even seen on like the other side

00:44:32.700 of a fence from regular prisoners they're telling you exactly what they're going to do to you as soon

00:44:37.540 as they get their hands on you and they have their own wing where they're kept entirely separate

00:44:42.080 um but for me every prisoner i spoke to was supportive um even the if i had to speak to or if

00:44:50.600 there was a you know some asian fella talking to me then i'll start criticizing israel and they'd be

00:44:56.140 like yeah you know so it's like you know we ran the gamut um but then the officers as well they

00:45:02.420 they i mean for one they appreciated that i wasn't either on drugs or mental um because a lot of people

00:45:08.020 in there are both uh but then you know you'd have a quiet word with some officers and they'd know

00:45:13.760 what you're in for they'd seen the kind of stuff that you'd been putting out there while you're

00:45:18.040 outside and they'd be like yeah i can't stand them as well mate you know got an entire bloody

00:45:22.580 wing of them here and it's i just need shit ship them off you know and it's like all right cool and

00:45:27.420 they'd look out for you as well so i did i did pretty well um and by the end of it the wing out i was on

00:45:35.020 the kind of group of friends that we were in essentially kind of like informally running the

00:45:39.820 wing i mean don't get me wrong i was kind of riding their coattails because they were all um kind of

00:45:44.100 gypsy traveler types uh so they all you know they had cousins and everything like that and they

00:45:48.700 were willing to you know put the stick about if if need be but they were great with me and um

00:45:55.320 yeah it's i never faced any trouble you know okay well yeah i did get shuffled about a few times

00:46:01.540 i think i did get moved from leeds to hull leeds was a lot more diverse than hull hull was pretty

00:46:07.340 much a homogenous white prison it's in east yorkshire which is a very white area of yorkshire

00:46:12.200 and leeds was getting steadily more diverse as i was there over the two two months that i was there

00:46:18.640 especially the muslim contingent was rising and i think the amount of mail that i was receiving

00:46:23.320 made the prison very aware that it's like if something bad happens to this guy it's gonna

00:46:27.640 it's gonna make news yeah you know so i think they wanted to move me to a as a comparatively safe

00:46:33.260 prison okay interesting yeah because we've heard about all the issues with the prislam they call

00:46:38.100 it right all the all the muslims in there um what a big issue that is well i'm glad to hear that

00:46:43.700 and beyond that anything that like stood out or memorable to you specifically you know from the

00:46:50.660 whole period and yeah there was a guy who'd uh a guy who joker smiled himself um on the wing at one

00:46:58.720 point uh and he he was pretty intimidating character um but i ended up having to clean his cell

00:47:04.780 after he'd sliced himself up uh blood all up the walls and everything like that but they moved him

00:47:10.260 out um white guy but uh uh the the guy who would cut himself um and basically not allowed it to heal

00:47:17.280 so he just had this huge smile yeah was he a white guy okay white guy yeah yeah okay i mean the the

00:47:24.200 amount of mental illness is pretty wild in there uh yeah seems to be like almost half half the population

00:47:30.460 is uh a bit loopy so dealing with that it's interesting all the western countries did away with

00:47:37.960 the mental uh asylums and institutions and it is yeah yeah it's meds or prison and that seems to be

00:47:44.440 what they're opting for to deal with it yeah yeah or both i guess okay yeah um yeah interesting

00:47:52.180 so what do you um what's your what's your what's your takeaway here like what what what do you feel

00:47:59.600 i mean because it's so on this is so unnecessary right i mean on on every level and i don't just

00:48:05.920 mean obviously you feel that on a personal level but i'm saying even like even on a society like

00:48:10.240 the cost of these things that the you taking up the space even in the prison if it's over like all

00:48:16.260 those things right there's so many aspects here to this of how ludicrous this is but how they have

00:48:21.420 to continue to as as the judge in that case said right make an example essentially out of you see i

00:48:27.720 don't think that works i think it's the opposite effect i mean your your your case got out there

00:48:31.640 quite a bit i think even in your post you had about you know i'm finally out basically i'm back that

00:48:35.980 your post on on back uh you mentioned that of course you know even elon boosted you know your

00:48:41.220 name out there your your post your story um some of the memes that were going around essentially of

00:48:46.080 like all these um rapists and uh people that had uh done all kinds of things right that had lesser

00:48:54.060 sentence than you did for example right so so it really got out there so obviously net result in

00:48:59.460 terms of what the state wanted to do here total opposite effect if you ask me what's your sense of it

00:49:04.640 oh yeah i like they completely embarrass themselves with this i think they'd hoped that it would have

00:49:10.200 a chilling effect and i think the inverse has happened where i mean clearly you know in those

00:49:14.420 last two two years since i've gone it's it's not like anyone's being kind of like it's like oh have

00:49:19.920 you heard about the case of samuel media i i won't speak out it's like no more more people are speaking

00:49:24.340 out than ever before and i think this always happens when a state has to wield um such obvious power

00:49:32.300 unjustly it just uh it just messes with the um what do you call it uh the like l not eligibility

00:49:42.460 um legit legitimacy that's the word i'm looking for but it's like no no one saw my case and went like

00:49:49.860 yeah that's well that's well deserved it's like people are like any stickers and even the probation

00:49:55.240 officer who i spoke to prior to sentencing um she compiles a pre-sentence report and and that's

00:50:01.700 given to the judge and even she was like prison isn't gonna change this guy it's not it's not

00:50:07.400 gonna do him any good he's not gonna rehabilitate via prison um so we recommend suspending the

00:50:13.760 sentence so that he can be home with his family um which should probably be the healthiest thing for

00:50:18.380 him and uh and that was just ignored and then while i was in prison um you know i was designated a

00:50:25.560 terrorism offender uh despite it only being a public or order offense which meant that i had

00:50:31.800 to be in a solo cell by myself because you know if i was in with someone else there's a the risk of

00:50:37.700 radicalization would be too high and then upon release i was being handled by the national security

00:50:43.720 division for stickers and and and um and my charges were described as all my crime was just

00:50:52.360 described as terrorism adjacent and it's just like what what is going on that it's like but

00:50:58.740 but this is what multiculturalism requires it's just such a heavy hand of a police state because it

00:51:03.660 is just paper thin you know all these lies that are needed to keep it going day by day can be poked

00:51:09.680 through so easily that all it takes is you know one sticker saying it's okay to be white or something

00:51:15.860 like that and it's like they have they just lose their minds because uh because yeah it just puts

00:51:21.060 paid to the lies that have been put out there you know i mean the the restrictions that i was on

00:51:26.580 under the national security division i think there was 30 of them in in total but it was like

00:51:31.740 uh obviously can't speak to anyone in patriotic alternative thankfully they made an exception for my

00:51:38.260 wife who's the deputy leader which obviously made the restriction a bit norm boyd right yeah but then

00:51:44.560 it was even it's like if i make any new connection i have to provide counter counterterrorism with

00:51:50.680 details to facilitate a background check so it's like if i was at the playground with the kids and i

00:51:55.780 made friends with another father there it's like i was expected to provide his name and date of birth

00:52:00.560 to counterterrorism you know to to prevent my network growing you know it's kind of like what

00:52:07.080 what are we doing you know and every week was like an hour or two hours with my probation officer just

00:52:13.480 drilling me on my politics and it's like he was such a he was just the archetypal kind of like shit

00:52:19.400 live boomer just being like it's like what do you mean black people can't be english and it's like

00:52:24.140 i'll explain this to you for the 10th time but genetics are a thing okay and it's like there's

00:52:30.960 there's people who are indigenous to a land and it's like the afghan who landed here 10 years ago

00:52:35.720 even it's like he's not indigenous yet you know it's like oh my god um but it's uh but yeah and and

00:52:43.100 i mean i think they were by the time i was released halfway through my sentence i think then they realized

00:52:50.120 that my profile had grown massively like this had completely backfired for them it was a real black

00:52:56.360 eye for them and i think that that is partly due to everyone who shared it about i think if i'd just

00:53:01.240 gone away and no and no one had heard from me or no one had made a stink about it it wouldn't have

00:53:06.620 been too bad for them but everyone capitalized on it and more and more people saw it so i think that

00:53:12.600 it was a fantastic thing to do and you know and then we've come out and it's a whole new world

00:53:18.860 it is isn't it it's fascinating how fast but it's it's because those sentiments have been growing and

00:53:25.320 percolating under the surface for such a long time and that's why i'll say this that's why i think the

00:53:31.200 state is correct it because it's not about the stickers it was never about the stickers right as we

00:53:36.800 know because they know that there is a rising tide and a pressure both against them and yeah and

00:53:43.300 their legitimacy but also the the line that they're trying to drive with uh in terms of immigration in

00:53:49.920 terms of demographics in terms of the fact that white british people can't assert themselves they

00:53:54.160 can't have any interest they can't stand up for themselves it's only so long you can keep the lid on

00:53:58.940 that and this is really kind of a how do i put it i'm maybe this the pressure cooker hasn't exploded

00:54:04.820 fully entirely in terms of what it can the damage that can happen from that but but it's begun to

00:54:10.740 happen if that's if that makes sense that process has it's too late they're not going to put this back

00:54:16.060 in the in in the you know in the bag so to speak i mean look at even with like rupert lowe and the

00:54:21.760 he's driving and it's going to reform restore you know tiffy and and and although of course it's a long

00:54:28.840 way from from uh social media posts or or even arguments be they irl or online to actual political

00:54:36.800 action but the point is at least those discussions are happening now at least it's it's it's out there

00:54:41.180 it's widely known everyone's talking about migration in the uk everyone's talking about demographics

00:54:46.600 everyone uh massive amounts of people in the uk want mass deportations for example like this isn't

00:54:52.840 going away so i think this your case in in this to put it in context to that in the time it was one

00:54:59.660 of these last dang efforts to like let's let's imprison let's just find someone and just you know

00:55:06.020 put them in jail and maybe that will kind of simmer things down a little bit and of course and as they

00:55:10.920 do that it just gets worse for them right and it just gets worse and with the more they do that even

00:55:16.100 the the debacle as you said after after southports and then it was epping i think the other hotel

00:55:22.360 protest and there was more people arrested there i have lost track of them in fact of how many there

00:55:27.700 have been but the point is that's not going away sam none of these people are backing now people don't

00:55:32.720 they don't care anymore they're losing they're losing their nation they're losing their people

00:55:36.380 that's it this is an existential battle and and i don't think they understand that on some degree here

00:55:42.880 you know they don't understand it at all i mean dealing with these agents of the state who is sent to

00:55:48.800 and i'm quoting here realign mr milia's views um you realize that that multiculturalism just is

00:55:56.740 for them there's no questioning it or you know what's brought it about or anything it just is

00:56:02.380 and it's always been here and there's nothing we we can do to change it so the problem is with the

00:56:07.840 people who are resisting and it's like no this is really is relatively recent um like within one

00:56:14.500 generation basically the kind of mass migration to the uk really accelerated in the late 90s so it's

00:56:21.100 like we haven't been here for long and it's very reversible you know it's it's far from set in stone

00:56:27.620 at this point so it's like yeah they they have to shut everything down and and the uh the pressure

00:56:35.720 cooker analogy is fantastic because their only reaction to it is to kind of cram it all back in

00:56:41.580 there and then shove the lid back on and keep the heat on and it's like well that's as far as pressure

00:56:47.320 cookers go the next time it blows is going to be a lot worse so it's like yeah you you have something

00:56:52.520 like southport unrest and you get a bunch of people nicked and then crush it back down and

00:56:58.620 kia starmer made it very clear that it's like we're not having this you know it's like we're this has

00:57:04.400 got to be cut short and it's like well nothing's changed that means that situation isn't going to

00:57:11.920 happen again that some attacker doesn't target a taylor swift dance class or some other you know

00:57:18.760 basically the whitest thing that you could possibly attack at the time um so the next time it happens

00:57:25.880 you can expect similar if not worse unrest and it's like and it's just going to keep building up like

00:57:31.740 that and we've been begging them for an outlet for you know decades now national front bnp and every

00:57:40.740 time they've basically robbed it of a platform and then crushed it and where where did you think the

00:57:48.200 british people were going to go and it's like they're getting backed more and more into a corner

00:57:52.060 the diversity is coming for everyone more and more people see it it's on their streets in the schools

00:57:57.080 it's on tv um it's it's so unavoidable now there's no way to stick your head in the sand and pretend

00:58:02.920 you know it's the fresh prince of bel-air and they're all fantastic it's like no it's like you're

00:58:07.700 dealing with them every day and it's negatively impacting your life every day so more and more

00:58:13.540 people show up to this thing and like the epping hotel protests which were fantastic in that they were

00:58:18.700 large and they kept going and they kept growing and eventually the council had to relent and it's like

00:58:25.180 okay so so it can be pushed back on it can work we just need enough people and now like i say with

00:58:33.120 restore you know breaking 100 000 members within like two weeks it's like well this this hasn't

00:58:38.960 happened before um there's an energy there that that that just wasn't there for reform um because

00:58:45.740 i i think it's just a different i mean everyone kind of knew about farage didn't they you know it's

00:58:51.300 uh he'd make the noises but farage is farage he'll disappear at the crucial moment um and

00:58:58.900 obviously we've got quotes from him from years ago where he's celebrating the demise of the bnp and

00:59:04.100 everything it's like yeah i mean he's been around by wave and said it just about a week ago i think or

00:59:09.760 something like that like i none none have done more than me to destroy you know ruin the far right or

00:59:14.020 something you know he just he's done this you know every so often over the last couple of decades

00:59:19.280 essentially um yeah he admits that he's a steam valve right in a way just a temporary outlet for

00:59:26.840 frustration more yap and nothing happens and then you know back to sleep we go supposedly he's like

00:59:33.040 appealing to zog and being like yeah i'm your guy you know if you need someone to control the working

00:59:38.340 class fight or whatever it's like i'm i'm the best guy for doing it you know and between him and tommy

00:59:43.880 robinson essentially they've got it stitched up um but as we see now the conversation happening

00:59:49.360 around what is a britain you know an ethnic britain um that conversation has to be had before we can

00:59:56.900 then move into political action on the back of that because either well that conversation is always going

01:00:03.560 to have to come about and it's better that it's happening now than later on down the line but that

01:00:08.900 again it can't be put away now you know we can't have politicians kind of doing a mealy mouth kind

01:00:14.920 of like the the values britain where it's kind of like well as long as you subscribe to the five

01:00:19.600 values that could also be applied to literally any other country uh as long as you subscribe to them

01:00:24.780 you're british and it's like that's not enough anymore and it never will be again correct and uh i

01:00:31.460 think for the most part the british the actual british people have had enough of that and they

01:00:35.580 they don't buy it anymore uh i think it's a very yeah it's a very interesting time ahead for so many

01:00:41.020 european country every any western country essentially because we're more or less largely

01:00:46.140 dealing with the same type of situation different configurations different you know potential of how

01:00:51.180 it might play out but the overall themes are certainly the same right um so i'm i'm very interested

01:00:57.760 and uh on one end excited but then i also know it as we always know it's always going to get worse

01:01:03.500 before it does get better and i don't think we've hit rock bottom yet unfortunately i think i think

01:01:07.700 they're going to try to do a last push you know i mean um they were talking right now even with the

01:01:13.660 iran conflict like oh this might now we might get another few million uh you know migrants piggybacking

01:01:18.820 off of the heightened conflicts in them because it's spreading all over the middle east it's not just

01:01:23.280 between like iran and israel or something that these rockets are flying it's it's in all kinds of

01:01:27.460 middle eastern countries now um so they're like saying oh prepare for another refugee wave it's like oh boy

01:01:32.880 you know here we go again right yeah yeah and you're getting all all the people who fell for the

01:01:38.180 kind of like we fight them over there so they won't come here with egg on their face again yeah

01:01:43.380 you know it's like i don't know how many times this has to happen before uh before we realize it's

01:01:48.200 like literally it's like any geopolitical situation will result in more migrants for us it's like that's

01:01:53.900 that's the guarantee um yeah and even if it's but if it's peaceful then it's also reasons to come

01:01:59.220 obviously right yeah it doesn't matter it's like oh great thanks you know and it's and you know you

01:02:07.180 can have the afghan thing where it's like you know they they take over their country again from from

01:02:13.180 the invading force and you think all right cool you know the afghans are back in charge of

01:02:16.580 afghanistan and then you find out there's british politicians importing million them millions of them

01:02:23.100 over here and putting a super injunction through the court so that no one can report on it

01:02:27.620 and it ends up getting exposed years later and you just like and then that person pops up in in

01:02:33.420 reform and you just think it's like i'm losing my mind it man you know um it's it's yeah if if

01:02:40.820 there's some way they can squeeze less white people out of it then uh they'll they'll find the angle

01:02:45.680 they will exactly yeah i think that's like the ultimate objective it seems like they will they will

01:02:49.620 find a way they've been running in circles around it for such a long time and it's only now we're

01:02:52.980 finally beginning to kind of catch up on this we're beginning to to wrap our heads around just how

01:02:57.520 bad it is right um but that's what's it was but yeah no go on i was gonna say especially here in

01:03:03.880 the uk like it feels like the 2029 general election is going to be our last shot because i think as of

01:03:09.860 2024 i think it's something like 53 percent of live births in the uk were white british which means

01:03:16.840 probably this year they're less than half which means that you know obviously demographics is destiny

01:03:23.220 and literally we're in the minority for the future demographics from this point on so if if it

01:03:29.720 isn't turned around at 2029 what we're going to look at and what eight eight eight years in the future

01:03:34.920 for the general election after that and it's like at that point is there any will would we be able to

01:03:40.740 win on a numbers vote because you've got a younger generation that's becoming more and more

01:03:45.080 non-white non-native so i think 2029 it needs to be that big push um because i think just as we

01:03:53.300 uh heading for the end zone um i think they are as well and once they've secured it they'll be happy

01:03:59.280 um and i think same with israel that you know that they see the end in sight potentially thankfully

01:04:05.000 iran's putting up a bit of a fight for them um but yeah they've uh they've just kind of run run uh

01:04:11.260 speed run donald trump's second term just like one one year in and they've just gone it's like

01:04:16.860 yeah we need you to go full zog book but yeah last chance they have and and ironically the harder

01:04:23.380 they push for this the uh the more credibility internationally they lose more people end up

01:04:27.880 hating them more people end up turning against them maybe look maybe not the leadership of many

01:04:32.960 other countries themselves but but certainly among the population it seems like they're not

01:04:36.940 they're not making any new fans if i put it that way no no the pop the populations hate them it's

01:04:42.720 it's it's insane like like approval ratings absolutely in the tank and really is only the fact that

01:04:48.440 i mean a lot of the european states like vassals to that kind of um american empire israeli american

01:04:55.340 empire so the best we can do i think starm has been like oh we don't want to get involved but i think

01:05:02.220 if they yank that chain hard enough eventually it'll find some way where it's like you know

01:05:06.820 yeah have our jets but it's like you know we won't go boots on on the ground it's like well

01:05:12.400 no one wants to go boots on the ground in iran it's like have you looked at it on a map it's

01:05:16.600 literally it's just desert mountains it's insane yeah i know you can't how do you how do you even do

01:05:21.340 that you can't um know that and that's why this is just this will go on the the bullshit about i

01:05:26.940 posted something earlier today but like the what is it for about about four weeks we'll we'll be done

01:05:31.820 about four yeah right this is like two weeks to flatten the curve that's basically

01:05:35.860 all over again it's like we're gonna be here like in two three years from now and you know

01:05:42.320 israel's still gonna bomb gaza and iran and turkey and but i don't know there's some other country

01:05:47.440 probably that will be next up lebanon i think they've they've picked a fight with lebanon now

01:05:51.940 as well yeah of course it's all right open yourself up to like a forefront war it's like

01:05:56.620 you know on your head be it gosh i i don't know i mean something's got to give i mean because

01:06:01.900 and yeah that's hard i mean because we talk about the demographics so much and and and we kind of

01:06:07.620 we tend to view it as things as they are now will kind of just continue and i think

01:06:13.600 no matter what end that will that trajectory is not as as certain not not just demographics i mean but

01:06:19.860 like let's just take this this the geopolitical situation or war or destabilization or oil prices up

01:06:27.200 or economic turmoil or something right that those conditions conditions change the dynamics and

01:06:32.120 obviously um those are really high stakes games in western countries where so much rely on the

01:06:37.280 you know the on this the comfort and the you know energy and and calories keep flowing all the time

01:06:42.880 kind of thing right imagine a scenario where sure we might be 50 of the population or something or

01:06:48.120 slightly more but things really go south and welfare is cut off and we can't take care of these

01:06:53.440 people anymore then you have a completely different dynamic in a completely different situation where

01:06:58.340 politics in and of themselves and and voting obviously becomes much less important and now it

01:07:03.140 basically becomes about essentially boils down to raw power at the end of it and and who can keep

01:07:08.820 you know these uh crumbling so the crumbling social fabric glued back together scotch taped back

01:07:17.220 together and how long can you do that for you can't you know i mean you can't

01:07:21.320 so we'll see what um what comes out of it but the point is yeah i think it's an interesting time

01:07:28.080 because i'm saying um because i think about the demographics i'm like holy shit like we're just like

01:07:33.300 we're it's we got to do we got to move now i mean it's been like that for for years that's why we've

01:07:37.820 been talking about it but like what i'm saying is that that can that can change so quickly as well

01:07:43.040 and you can see people leave our countries because it's not as comfortable and there could be other

01:07:47.220 countries where it's much more comfortable than in ours do you see what i'm saying i think those are

01:07:51.520 very plausible um outcomes in the future yeah and sometimes all all it takes is one man you know

01:07:58.480 it might be rupert love of restore but it's like going back to like i mean the fact that we're now in

01:08:04.580 this war with iran that essentially all like this the last two years kind of chain of events has

01:08:11.020 precipitated from the october 7th attack um back in like 2000 that was 2020 what was it 2023 wasn't it

01:08:20.160 2023 i gotta look it up again i think this is yeah because i i think that was prior to my trial so

01:08:25.640 yeah it must have been 2020 23 so we're kind of like almost three years on from basically like

01:08:30.900 one guy hatching a plan and then that's led to you know america invading iran because

01:08:37.820 you know events have solicited reactions which then solicit more reactions so yeah it's uh you

01:08:45.880 know and and the southport thing it's like you know one one non-white decides to make this attack

01:08:51.780 and then from there we accelerate to a point where now there's a political party you know it's so yeah

01:08:58.500 who knows what the future is gonna gonna hold but the fact is we do seem to be politically on a positive

01:09:04.920 trajectory rhetorically i think we're definitely on on a positive trajectory yeah and our enemies are

01:09:10.600 in i mean they're in like um well there's desperate times the backs are against the wall and they're

01:09:16.240 just trying desperately to keep a hold of the conversation and it's not working you know it's

01:09:21.340 the replies under every tweet um the uh the i mean politicians are getting heckled now openly um it just

01:09:29.160 seems to be a really interesting time and i think there's going to be some exciting developments

01:09:33.560 um going forward yeah and i guess why i brought that up too is not to put people at ease or something

01:09:39.680 like that because there's no reason to do that that would be shooting ourselves in the foot no

01:09:43.480 act like we're you know act like this is tomorrow or where or it's done you know i mean that's that's

01:09:50.460 the energy we have to have um but at the same time all no go go on so i was gonna say all all these

01:09:57.320 things were brought about by people who who understand the situation we're in and took action

01:10:03.220 um it doesn't come come about from any sense of complacency or kind of like it's down the road or

01:10:09.320 anything like that it's like no always act as if you know you're not going to be there tomorrow

01:10:13.980 yeah yeah i know definitely um and then at the same time within that environment you have to have

01:10:19.960 some you got to grant yourself to look at some of the even be they small but small victories that

01:10:25.200 we have at least in terms of rhetoric then or at least that people are talking about in a way that

01:10:29.060 they haven't before right because there is power in numbers we need those numbers we need people on

01:10:33.180 our side we need to amass a big force of people that can basically politically and or just on a

01:10:38.960 community level you know push back against these kinds of things and so we have to we have to

01:10:43.700 focus on the positive things that do happen so that we maintain momentum and high morale if that

01:10:50.480 makes sense uh but then at the same time realize the urgency kind of within that it's it's very

01:10:54.920 it's very hard um to be honest to balance those things and i feel all the time some days it's just

01:10:59.620 like holy shit like it's it's bad you know i mean and then out of the day it's like oh it's it's all

01:11:04.660 right we're like we're it's things are happening it's okay you know and i find myself like flip-flopping

01:11:09.160 between these sides all the time you know i mean it's hard oh smokes 100 yeah i mean i'm a community

01:11:15.620 organizer for patriotic alternative here in the uk and um and and sometimes the energy is really high

01:11:22.000 and everyone's attending events and and you feel like you're you're recruiting more and more and it's

01:11:27.180 like the the energy is there um and then but and it goes through lulls and and but these peaks and

01:11:33.660 troughs are entirely natural um it's having the strength to carry on through a trough

01:11:38.720 so you can reach the next peak um because uh because yeah it's it's so important and i mean

01:11:46.360 i've i've been through a pretty severe trough over the last two years yeah of course

01:11:51.300 you know it's uh it's it's not dimmed the spirit or anything like it's it's just it's given me a lot

01:11:58.800 of time to think about what i want to do next and it's it's just reinforced everything because i've had

01:12:05.900 i've had every argument the state has against us thrown at me and it was all just so weak but

01:12:13.640 of course it will be because whether you're in twitter replies or in the youtube comments or

01:12:18.720 anything like that the arguments you hear they're not dreamed up by the the person talking they're

01:12:25.140 handed down from above to them so of course when you then talk to the guy above oh he's got exactly

01:12:31.100 the same arguments and and eventually it boils down to yeah but why does it matter and it's like

01:12:39.140 yeah you had it you're of that you had your post i think you were describing that in the post or i

01:12:44.860 forget what it was where i read it but it was like you were talking about that like this this it was

01:12:49.160 almost like you're you're not allowed to have those opinions because they're they're just we've decided

01:12:53.780 as a society that they're bad or something and and if you don't hold those views then like what

01:12:58.180 what what even what's your interest here like they can't look we can't put ourselves in the heads of

01:13:03.100 like how can you not care about your people and they're almost like that in reverse like how can

01:13:07.560 you care about your people what's the point right kind of thing it's just a total clash of world views

01:13:13.440 and right now the liberal you know anti-white boomer mind is the one with the with the power the

01:13:19.580 political power and sway sway in the system and legislation and they can you know tell the police to do this

01:13:26.380 or that or whatever but it's like but it's a dying system it's it's it's just it's withering away but

01:13:32.620 it still holds the remnants of power is that is that right yeah because i mean it's i mean it's it's

01:13:38.600 anti-survival for one like it's it seems to almost be the product of like a faulty amygdala that can't

01:13:44.780 assess threats or or or um well yeah just like you're not seeing the environment you're in

01:13:51.000 and understanding understanding it on on any level you know you've got these people welcoming in these

01:13:57.460 migrant boats or whatever and being like oh it's time i'm sick it's not being it's like you know we

01:14:01.660 have eyes we can see that it's a bunch of like 20 something guys are all claiming to be 12 you know

01:14:08.420 and but this is this is the kind of mindset that they have where it's like they don't they don't

01:14:16.020 see what what seems to be the bleeding obvious and there was a moment in my trial where i realized

01:14:21.780 the kind of people were up against and it was when we were presenting the evidence for the for the rape

01:14:28.460 gangs and we were churning through so many uh records of what had happened to these girls

01:14:34.980 and the prosecution came back to me and went oh but uh but you don't know them do you you're not

01:14:41.580 related to them or anything i was like well no i'm not personally related to them and he just went okay

01:14:46.740 and moved on but then during the closing statement he said uh oh you might be uh confused as to uh

01:14:54.900 sam's tears because i'd i'd welled up when we were came because it's like you know talking about girls

01:14:59.920 you know 50 men a night you know they're all spaced out on drugs and everything

01:15:04.960 like that and just and then just dumped um naked in the field and it's and it's a really grim

01:15:10.180 reading and uh and he said it's like you might be you know by his crocodile tears you know how could

01:15:16.980 how could someone care about someone they don't know you know and it's like really this is just a

01:15:23.020 cover for his racist beliefs and i was like oh my wow you really you really can't empathize with

01:15:31.420 other members of your group it's like you and and that's how multiculturalism works and why you can

01:15:37.540 forgive something like the manchester evening bombing and you know not not look back in anger

01:15:41.820 um because it's like they're they're someone else and you don't know them personally therefore

01:15:47.280 it hasn't affected you you know and and the girl being raped above the local takeaway

01:15:51.640 that's someone else you know and and the people doing it as well similarly they're just an individual

01:15:58.220 cipher there's no identifying group to them or anything like that so you can't start to draw

01:16:03.940 conclusions from that and start to notice trends or anything and and that's the kind of thinking that

01:16:09.080 multiculturalism requires in order to move forward because every day you're faced with new horrors

01:16:14.980 and the only way you could not stand up again again against it and start to rail against the

01:16:20.720 system is by basically taking every new day every new horror as completely you know there's no history

01:16:28.320 to it you've you you haven't seen one before and it's like and and this fresh one is just kind of

01:16:33.240 like oh i can't believe this individual did that to another individual and it's like no we're seeing

01:16:39.180 trends this group is doing it to our group yeah and they just don't have that no they don't you know and

01:16:44.540 and so i think you know it might die out naturally but the problem is will there be enough of us to

01:16:50.780 continue when it does eventually die out naturally because you know i know i don't think that mindset is

01:16:56.920 going to survive another 100 years no no definitely no definitely not it will it will be either we'll just

01:17:03.080 die of natural causes or it will be taken out by the very you know in their xenophilic uh you know

01:17:10.320 attitudes towards the other essentially they will basically be uh succumb to to do them as a group

01:17:17.420 in some way they'll choose not to cross the street when any rational person yeah exactly exactly um but

01:17:23.720 yeah no it's a good point it's that is here's here's an isolated here's an isolated incident with

01:17:29.520 individuals and there's no pattern recognition there and then we forget about that and then here's

01:17:33.800 another isolated incident with individuals involved and there is no pattern recognition over time or

01:17:39.020 mapping um but they can map and track you know you and and and the network of people that are trying

01:17:48.040 to fight against that they get they can see a threat assessment within their own group and somehow that

01:17:52.740 that there's a force here that threatens uh us to change the demographics they're trying to stop this

01:17:59.700 great project that we have ongoing in replacing our own people and so they do they do have it on some

01:18:05.640 level they do have it uh it's just that they have no vision for um i guess their own group their own

01:18:11.980 group to a certain extent or or standing up for them it's yeah but i mean we see the analysis of us

01:18:18.840 and it's like they do treat it like some sort of uh mental disorder like they right they can't really

01:18:25.420 fathom why we do what we do and and and similarly my probation officer is like why would you continue

01:18:31.380 doing this when it's cost you so much and it'd be like it's like because this is existential i'm doing

01:18:37.560 it for my group you know um you know for for the same reason the soldier jumps on the grenade in the

01:18:43.520 trench um it it's it's a form of self-sacrifice and and i think that as well there's no there's no kind

01:18:50.500 of concept of self-sacrifice within um within their minds um at least not for white people no no no

01:18:58.080 definitely oh man um so what do you what do you feel now what do you uh what do you want to do

01:19:03.480 what's your plans what's your um next moves here i mean first it's trying to get my feet back under

01:19:09.660 me it's uh yeah i feel like i've i've fallen behind in the race and i'm trying to catch up um but uh i'm

01:19:16.100 going to be continuing with patriotic alternative i'm going to retake my role as um yorkshire regional

01:19:20.940 organizer um because i feel like no matter what happens in the future a tight cohesive community

01:19:28.320 is going to be an essential part of that and finding people who think similarly and act similarly

01:19:33.900 um and then it's i'm really interested to see where restore goes uh you know um to be honest uh i think

01:19:43.620 i'd i'd be open for running for like an mp if if if they'd have me if um i mean i know they've said

01:19:50.280 they don't want any kind of political uh political animals you who've been doing this their entire

01:19:56.760 lives or anything they want people who have worked and and experience life properly so it's like maybe

01:20:02.740 that'd be an option um but generally it's like we just got to carry on with this cause and i'm i'm

01:20:10.540 open to everything i mean coming out it's like seeing how many groups here in the uk are now working

01:20:16.100 together um you know kind of cross pollinating and if it's it's fantastic like that wasn't there

01:20:22.340 when i went away you know it's kind of quite fractious and that and that's really come together

01:20:27.100 now so i think that puts us in a really strong point forward you know we've got a demonstration

01:20:32.520 i mean that warwick demo you've got on screen there i think there must have been about eight

01:20:36.700 different groups um yeah that's steve law's up there right in the photo yeah yes steve laws and

01:20:42.200 it's like it's like him i've met him before and he's great and i look forward to seeing him again

01:20:49.460 i think we've got a demonstration at the end of this month and we'll be uh um getting the band back

01:20:54.500 together for that as well nice but it's it's seeing all these people together and like we were talking

01:21:00.360 about before having our backs against the wall and acting like there's not going to be a tomorrow i

01:21:06.840 think has really helped people um realize that the petty differences just they don't matter you know

01:21:13.100 and it's like what what really matters is that we turn that country around yeah um and i think we've

01:21:19.520 got a damn good chance of doing it i mean yeah there you've got uh you're right at the end there yep

01:21:24.160 so like these guys who you know from so many different walks of life and everything i think

01:21:30.980 i think that might actually be sven uh longshanks in the background just to the left of laura there

01:21:35.380 um oh yeah you're right it might be right isn't it yeah yeah i think it is yeah so it's like

01:21:40.300 you know it's jail doesn't dim people no no i mean it's like um we come out of it strong

01:21:48.560 stronger and and better so uh i'm i'm really looking forward to kind of jumping back

01:21:53.320 into the fray yeah at the moment i'm just trying to get this book out because i think it's

01:21:58.060 it's very interesting to see how the agents of the state work and their mindset um and then also

01:22:04.140 for anyone who's facing this kind of experience in the future uh it's it's not as going to be as

01:22:11.160 scary as you're expecting it to be um you know so it's you know there's no no doubt there will be

01:22:18.380 further arrests um well yeah they'll try and clamp down on it more but yeah with that pressure cooker

01:22:23.960 it's uh you can put the lid back on it but it just comes out that's just the steamier than ever

01:22:28.980 it's it's just uh the name of the game that's just the the circumstances we face i mean again either

01:22:34.900 either we fight or we die that's that's that's really what it comes down to you know whether we

01:22:39.360 go extinct or we do try to do something about it uh and whatever comes in our way that that's that's

01:22:44.120 an obstacle that we have to overcome one way or another um let me take a couple of these chats

01:22:50.140 here and then we'll i want to talk about your book there obviously a little bit to help promoting

01:22:52.820 that ghost dog man said uh sent a five no oh slashy and then he sent another one for 10 thank

01:22:57.340 you sir he says pointing out uh the lies can't poke holes through it because people aren't motivated

01:23:03.620 to listen as their bread is is it bread is bathed in anti-whiteism i guess you mean like the butter

01:23:09.900 yeah the bread is uh bathed in anti-whiteism lies and the basis for global humanities zeitgeist

01:23:16.860 economy get whitey thank you ghost dog appreciate that we got uh albert with a huge donor here too

01:23:21.400 thank you so much albert we appreciate you so much he says hi henrik i'm going to catch this after

01:23:26.040 work take care thank you albert much love to you hope everything is good we appreciate you so much

01:23:30.580 thank you so much albert you're you're incredible we got andy here as well says

01:23:34.020 hile sam milia hala race join restore britain also buy sam milia's book or you're not a patriot

01:23:40.080 yeah that's right don't be a fag buy the book how about that thank you that's that

01:23:43.700 tell us about did you did you begin writing this when you're in there you think like i better turn

01:23:51.080 this into or like might as well kind of be productive as i'm in here or did the idea for

01:23:56.860 the book come later tell us about how the idea for the book definitely came later um i mean i was

01:24:02.240 writing from the first day but uh when you come in you get this tiny diary with um you know and each

01:24:08.700 day is like this big and i was kind of filling it in just being like oh you know it'd be good to have

01:24:13.040 a record if i had that but then i think i was about a week or two in and i was like so much stuff was

01:24:19.400 going on i think i'd seen someone have a kettle of boiling water thrown over them there'd been a fight

01:24:24.580 over the pool table um uh i think someone had tried to attack someone else in the shower but then

01:24:30.780 the naked guy in the shower had got the better the better of him so it's like it was like so so much

01:24:37.440 wild stuff was happening that i was kind of like this i've got to go into more detail than this tiny

01:24:41.920 little passage is going to allow and um and i was given a notebook from the library guy and i started

01:24:47.920 to fill out more and more and i started to start talking about things i saw on the news um you know

01:24:55.120 and how and how i thought this would affect politics and stuff like that so it and it ended up being

01:25:00.960 quite interesting you know um or at least i thought thought so and then i typed it up and laura had to

01:25:07.060 read through it and she she couldn't put it down so i was like all right cool so it's not just me who

01:25:11.660 thinks it's entertaining but a lot of it as well especially when i started meeting with the probation team

01:25:18.020 um in november just before my release i was like this has got to go down um on some sort of record

01:25:25.080 when i've got my probation officer telling me that the difference between me and him is that he loves

01:25:30.320 multiculturalism um while at the same time i'm being told that uh their political bias doesn't play

01:25:36.180 any role in my prosecution or my uh realignment following it and it's like feels like it does uh

01:25:43.880 because you're getting pretty irate at me you know uh so yeah and and yeah just have a record of it

01:25:50.420 yeah no it's necessary to to see you you need the per you know that's one thing we've traditionally

01:25:58.140 been bad at i think within these circles to to actually get the personal story right the other

01:26:03.740 side is kind of overly focused on that and not on the big picture while we always are big picture

01:26:08.380 and not on the personal story right but like you really need to get into the needy and gritty of like

01:26:12.620 look how is the process for you know for you for some for a case like this for someone being in that

01:26:18.580 situation it's the same thing with uh you know take the grooming gang victims or something like that

01:26:23.040 right you there needs to be just one girl like the her story told in its entirely i mean in in in a way

01:26:30.820 to really convey the the damage of this and the toll that this is taking on on these uh young girls lives

01:26:38.300 and and and just that there was a book um that kind of uh blew the the kind of the rape gang thing

01:26:43.880 wide open it's called easy meat but that oh yeah that's right yeah a lot of kind of personal and

01:26:49.640 and the same with lowe's grooming gang inquiry that that is just done um the kind of evidence collection

01:26:55.400 of the actual stories and then we saw saw like huge names like people like bear grills going like

01:27:01.180 hang on this is going on in the uk and and you think it's like how does no one how does someone not

01:27:07.160 know about i know exactly bizarre huh um but i mean i spoke to there was a guy i was briefly in with

01:27:12.940 who was 25 and he had never heard of the grooming gangs and i was just like how how have you not

01:27:20.840 come across this at any point but you know i don't know if that's part of that mind that mindset we're

01:27:25.960 talking about where you take every day as a new you know a whole new world where you don't you

01:27:31.520 disregard what what you heard yesterday but it's like they they were effective at at uh suppressing

01:27:37.840 this so it's um yeah we need to get more of these stories out i think uh in this case with my book

01:27:46.720 the story is just the the state overreach and the heavy-handed oppression of people who have legal

01:27:52.800 truthful views yeah you know i mean we've had uh they sent child services after us to to make a

01:27:59.880 determination on whether we were fit and healthy parents based on our political views you know um

01:28:05.580 thankfully laura was the one tussling with them um and basically argued back it's like you can't do

01:28:12.140 this this is completely against our rights and everything yeah and got them got them to back down

01:28:17.120 but it's like that's included in the book as well so it's like if anyone out there uh has these

01:28:22.760 similar views is dealing with child to child services here's the exact uh email exchange

01:28:28.340 that says what like what you need to say to let them know that it's like they are completely

01:28:33.360 overreaching yeah this you know yeah what was it i think it was mark uh call it he was talking about

01:28:39.300 that it was a i think it was when you were allowed to have the kids come visit but you could

01:28:45.520 but it was something there like they were you might influence them you know badly and so you weren't

01:28:50.920 allowed to be around what what was that tell us about that a little bit more so that while i was

01:28:55.460 away in prison uh i think about three months in um all of a sudden uh i'd got told that a letter had

01:29:04.140 been bounced back to laura and then um an officer visited me and said uh you need to consent to a child

01:29:10.940 services assessment to have continued access to your children i was like what i was like my my crime

01:29:17.760 isn't to do with you know children or anything like that it's like what's this about and she's

01:29:21.700 like you've you've got to consent to the assessment i was like i'm not signing anything to say that i'm

01:29:25.620 you know a potential threat to my own children um and this went on for two months with us arguing

01:29:32.260 with them and i think laura and mark arranged like a kind of mailing in campaign to the prison

01:29:37.240 um to the point where the prison had to relent and says i please stop people getting in touch

01:29:42.500 we've re-established we'll let you see your kids again and everything but it was required for us to

01:29:48.380 have an assessment with the with child services they they visited laura at home with the kids

01:29:53.540 um and then they they had a phone call with me um but it it was two months there where i wasn't

01:30:01.440 allowed to see them um laura couldn't tell me about them over the phone or via email or anything like

01:30:07.220 that and it was absolutely bizarre you know and uh to finally have that dealt with and then when i got

01:30:14.880 out i had a midday check-in at one o'clock every day which meant that you know you couldn't take

01:30:19.300 your kids on a proper day out because you'd always have to be back at this approved premises where they

01:30:24.280 kept me for seven months post-release um and when i asked why it was like well we we don't have too much

01:30:32.020 time with your family you know so we've got to split split split the day up and you're just like

01:30:36.680 it's like a kid's more susceptible to radicalization at like the middle of the day or something it's

01:30:42.240 like this is madness um but yeah yeah it's like they you know i after release from prison i couldn't

01:30:49.440 tuck my kids in to bed for seven months because i was required to be back at this hostel um yeah you

01:30:55.680 know because of the potential you know danger to my family or whatever and and that and that was

01:31:02.640 the kind of final jab at me um in december when they filed that child services report and and said i

01:31:10.300 had to go through an assessment and i was like no um do you think that will do you fear that they'll

01:31:18.480 kind of keep eyeing you especially more than others or or or are there bigger targets now is

01:31:25.500 is you do see i'm saying like that there's so many others now talking about it definitely bigger targets

01:31:30.180 um out there however obviously the one thing they've got they've got against me is now an existing

01:31:35.760 conviction um previously i was of of good character you know i hadn't had any run-ins with police no

01:31:41.980 convictions prior so you know i got two years if i went down for similar speech crimes again

01:31:48.300 no doubt i'll be getting the five seven year sentence or something like that so i'm definitely

01:31:53.220 conscious of what i'm putting out there um but i've also learned a lot while i've been away and in

01:32:00.580 terms of the stickers probably wasn't the best way of putting them out there because it's kind of like

01:32:04.100 a fire and forget thing where it's like you're putting the message out there and then anything can

01:32:09.300 happen past that point whereas like with the public demonstrations and speaking you know you can get

01:32:16.000 people fired up but then it's it's the responsibility of the of the speaker to then it's

01:32:21.500 like direct that energy somewhere positive so you know you'll close it instead of going like it's

01:32:27.320 like you're angry go out and do whatever you know it's like it's kind of like it's like no here's

01:32:31.900 exactly what you need to do you you want to join pa you want to get involved with this xyz whatever

01:32:36.120 um so and obviously we went through that trial and none of my work with pa was highlighted um

01:32:43.440 and and that was all kind of post 100 handers um so it's like well you know if they didn't seek to

01:32:50.060 bury me with anything i've done with pa you know i've been demonstrating outside migrant hotels and

01:32:54.960 everything it's like you would have thought if if any of that was a slam dunk that would have used it but

01:32:59.640 they didn't um they didn't bring pa up at all really in the trial so that tells me that going

01:33:05.820 forward continuing as i was prior to the trial is uh is probably fine okay good how's the uh

01:33:14.220 obviously the family the kids are they how it's been for them especially your oldest uh you know

01:33:19.220 yeah i mean she's four just turned four i mean lucky in a way that they were so young yeah when i went

01:33:26.580 away um you know i was released before christmas so we kind of told on a white lie and that i was

01:33:32.760 away working with santa's elves building toys um quite how how i would have looked in that elf work

01:33:38.660 workshop i'm not sure um but it's like you know it's like he's back for christmas because he's done

01:33:43.780 his job and i'm like oh brilliant you know um and there doesn't seem to be you know to say that i

01:33:49.680 missed the first 10 months of violet's life i i don't think that's it doesn't seem to have had an

01:33:54.560 impact thankfully you know i felt really bad for some of the prisoners in there like teenage kids

01:33:59.100 who are very aware that they're visiting their father in prison yeah whereas mine um i mean they

01:34:06.080 wondered where i was that's for sure um but laura was really good at keeping my memory alive for them

01:34:12.580 through through the week and then um we managed to get visits every pretty much every weekend so

01:34:19.020 you know they saw me plenty okay well there was some times like at the end at the end of the

01:34:23.780 visits there was one time where katherine was just kind of she kept running up to me and hugging me

01:34:29.600 while i was waiting to leave the visiting room and she'd run back run forward and everything and then

01:34:35.000 that last hug i said oh i'm really sorry i've got to go back to work and she was begging me to stay

01:34:39.220 there oh gosh and you know the officers kind of like basically if you don't come come through i'm

01:34:44.160 going to grab you through and you're like chill you know yeah um but then she ran back to the play

01:34:48.400 area and got like a toy set of keys and was trying to unlock the door and it's like you know it's um

01:34:54.660 but yeah it's it all seems to have just gone past them and and thankfully it's it's it's not got any

01:35:02.120 lasting uh impact on them they yeah they they adapt in incredible ways and especially at that age you

01:35:08.140 i mean so it will be yeah that's that's fortunate as opposed to if you know they're seven eight nine

01:35:13.980 you know years old but yeah i feel free man holy smokes i can't i can't even imagine

01:35:17.540 oof hard hard times you know man um you've done good you've done very very good so have your family

01:35:24.300 so as laura obviously as well very very courageous high spirits right not throughout this you know yeah

01:35:28.820 yeah i mean uh i i got out and it's like all of a sudden instead of one kid there was two and i was

01:35:34.340 like this is really overwhelming and laura was like yeah i've been doing it for a year

01:35:38.560 it's like it's been intense yeah oh yeah it gets intense that's funny uh okay one man from ghost

01:35:45.920 dog man who says uh i'm speaking about white people too i guess this is in reference to the

01:35:49.540 previous comment out right here obviously uh i called an anti-white wingers stock market as being

01:35:55.180 anti-white sog poison he looked at me like i was poisoned for questioning his financial investment

01:36:00.000 baked in uh thank you for that we got a couple here too darsha risker good episode and

01:36:04.240 good text also the mic is working better today keep on fighting i didn't know it was not working

01:36:07.760 good uh last time but that's good uh problems on mark oh is it that what he's talking okay i thought

01:36:13.580 he was talking about my mic for some reason okay there you go okay no no okay i think about like 20

01:36:17.840 minutes it was across the desk from me i didn't realize it had to be like oh okay gotcha gotcha okay

01:36:22.200 well thank you there's good appreciate that uh andy everyone needs to try to go to the demo in

01:36:27.260 newenton is that is that how you say it newenton i saw it up on it none eaten none eaten there you go

01:36:32.420 none yeah it's around the midlands of the uk midlands of the uk on the 28th it's going to

01:36:37.320 be massive i think it's on the front uh page here of uh this one right here there you go yeah yeah

01:36:42.540 we've got a lot of groups coming to it and um i mean there's there's been people who have like uh

01:36:48.360 relative kind of normies prior to me going away and they were shocked that i was and they're like

01:36:53.920 it's like yeah we're coming to the next thing you know it's great we're gonna buy your book it's all

01:36:57.100 brilliant so it's like you you've kind of radicalized over the last two years brilliant

01:37:02.560 yeah well that's it that's just it right that's kind of interesting because they talk about how

01:37:06.880 obviously uh being being being away in those conditions it's like a freezing you know you're

01:37:11.940 like you're you're stuck in time in a way right i mean you can still watch some news or whatever but

01:37:16.040 like you couldn't keep up with like you know meme culture on the internet when you're in let's be

01:37:20.440 so you know it's like things advance quite rapidly all of a sudden you know uh that's hilarious all

01:37:27.560 right well what else uh should we okay so obviously the book here is uh it's a it's available for pre

01:37:33.080 order now right is that correct yeah yeah i've literally just today i finished uh i think the

01:37:38.900 second to final run through of the manuscript um and got it back to my proofreader there's someone

01:37:43.780 within pa who does it professionally so uh i've i've paid him to do it and he's done a fantastic job

01:37:49.180 because i've got no formal training in this writing um so he's made it a lot more legible

01:37:54.220 than it probably was before um but uh i think he's having one final run through and then i can get

01:38:01.100 it kind of laid out as exactly as i wanted i got a um test copy you can see above my shoulder yeah

01:38:08.100 it's throwing me off yep uh but i got a test copy because the cover i designed myself um and

01:38:14.800 an f-thin and uh i kind of struck upon that it's like one one final sticker as a little f-u to the

01:38:21.840 system on the front cover so so that's exactly what the hundred handed stickers look like the same font

01:38:27.140 um the logo on the side and everything there so it's like i've got that and the number top right

01:38:33.780 corner yeah yeah yeah yeah we never had a number zero zero zero so i guess this will be the

01:38:38.980 that one there you go um and i've uh mark collett was kind enough to put a forward together for me

01:38:44.940 as well so we've got that in included but i'm hoping for a mid-march release um and then at some

01:38:51.360 point i'll get it up on amazon as well but uh but obviously the best way to support me and the work

01:38:57.100 i'm doing and laura and the family and everything is to buy it through our website um you can pick us

01:39:01.880 some tea and coffee as well while you're there um yeah i'll spell it out grandma towlers.co.uk

01:39:07.280 for those who don't know yeah that's the website we'll copy it we'll put it in the rumble chat here

01:39:11.800 too so people can see uh check that out the the shop segment there yeah you have a right now for

01:39:17.160 the book you have a paperback and then a e-book i think right yeah yes yeah yeah so uh some people

01:39:23.380 were asking for an e-book um yeah um i haven't been away that long that i don't know what e-books

01:39:28.120 that's good there was a in the uh uh hostel there was a guy i think he'd been away for 15 years

01:39:36.560 and he was out and he'd been given his first smartphone and he was like oh my screen's dark

01:39:42.220 how do you lighten the screen and i was like how long have you been away and he's like 15 years i'm

01:39:45.780 like oh my god yeah you you went away before smartphones it's like that's mind-blowing that

01:39:51.200 someone could come out and i mean i think it's something like 80 recall rate for people out on

01:39:56.780 license and so many just want to get back inside and i imagine if you've done 15 20 years um you

01:40:03.520 know it's like a sure shank redemption that the when that pro guy gets outside the whole world got

01:40:07.900 itself in a damn hurry yeah it's like you've gone away and it was like chocolate bar phones and everything

01:40:13.200 and then it's like you you could come out and now you've got a supercomputer in your hand that's

01:40:16.740 talking to you exactly yeah chat gpt like oh my gosh can you imagine yeah i'm like what the fuck is

01:40:24.040 this before i went away yeah it's like you know there was a bit about you know dali or whatever

01:40:29.420 doing yeah drawings with people with eight hands or whatever um and now you've you've come out and

01:40:35.260 some people seem to run their life by a chat gpt don't they yeah their counselor their uh their

01:40:41.920 partner yeah their lover even apparently they marry these things now yeah there was that uh film

01:40:48.220 wasn't there with uh uh wakween phoenix her yeah yeah very good very good crazy very good i've

01:40:55.680 recommended it a couple of times to the audience just to get like an emotional insight into like

01:41:00.720 someone that kind of gets trapped by and i mean that case is an operating system but it's obviously

01:41:05.180 a chat bot whatever you want to call it same thing right but just like that how he over time just

01:41:09.700 kind of it just kind of happens right he just develops an emotional bond with this thing you

01:41:14.840 know i mean and and it talks back to you like a like a woman so he gets a track you know like uh

01:41:19.580 you know associated with it very very very bizarre very bizarre future here uh okay so yeah grandma

01:41:26.060 tallers.co.uk that's the website and as you said you guys have a bunch of other stuff on there too

01:41:30.600 obviously tea coffee things like that so check that out ladies and gentlemen very good well what else

01:41:36.120 would you like to uh i guess leave us with hill or sam before we begin wrapping up here for today

01:41:40.520 oh wow uh just um just uh yeah i don't know i just i mean remain positive i know obviously black

01:41:52.000 pilling is a thing and everything but it's like i can tell you that i've probably been through what

01:41:57.100 should have been the most black pilling experience possible and i've come out of it thinking that we've

01:42:02.900 got a we've got a brighter future future than ever um and uh our enemies are weaker than i think we

01:42:10.040 we thought they were um i know that's when i came out i think it was like wow um it's not a case of

01:42:16.840 winning the argument the argument's essentially already being won now it's a case of basically

01:42:21.980 shooting for power um in order to make the changes so uh so yeah that's what i'll leave people

01:42:28.540 people with never black pill and uh and let's win this thing let's keep fighting that's right

01:42:33.440 absolutely well thank you sam i appreciate it uh great conversation it was a pleasure uh you know

01:42:38.040 well having you i think we i think we had you on together with laura many many years ago now right

01:42:43.460 man when was that like 2018 maybe maybe 19 oh gosh i can't remember something like that anyway

01:42:50.500 so it's quite a while ago but anyway so i'm i'm glad to be able to have you on again and talk about this

01:42:56.500 this this ordeal and and having it behind you and and moving on and and yeah being just

01:43:01.060 the overall i mean as i say right true victory is is you know living well and in spite the fact of

01:43:08.000 how your enemy is trying to destroy your life and and ruin you and things like this right and just like

01:43:11.960 kind of chin up and holding your head up high and keep moving forward and being convicted in in what

01:43:16.900 you do what you're doing and obviously you're uh you're an example of that and so well done sir we

01:43:21.420 appreciate your uh we we appreciate your uh unnecessary but yet um this these are the

01:43:28.320 conditions that it is uh sacrifice basically for um for the cause and for your people in britain

01:43:33.880 you know i mean oh thank you and thank you for having me on it's been uh it's been an honor to

01:43:38.000 be on red ice and uh to speak to you henryk as well awesome thank you sam all right appreciate it

01:43:42.880 we'll uh we'll we'll touch base and keep up the good work i'm sure we'll stay in touch and and have

01:43:46.820 you back here soon but yeah keep keep up the good work and uh hold the spare time we'll talk soon

01:43:51.080 thank you awesome thanks yeah yeah all right guys thank you we appreciate that thank you to sam again

01:43:56.720 for uh joining us appreciate it we'll be back here with more obviously uh tomorrow flashback friday we'll

01:44:01.160 be back for um some good stuff we're going to cover some of the obviously news in regards to what's

01:44:06.120 going on in the middle east and some other things as well it's uh three maybe three days since we did

01:44:13.440 the western warrior show where we kind of covered the uh initial uh beginning of the uh of the war

01:44:19.700 and uh why they did and the timing of it more so than anything uh and of course that feels like three

01:44:24.780 months because you're just away for three days and not doing anything actually had a birthday party for

01:44:28.540 my youngest boy yesterday so that's why we didn't do anything yesterday but again appreciate sam's time

01:44:33.480 hope you all enjoyed it thank you so much everybody oh i do want to say thanks to all the uh

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Red Ice TV - March 05, 2026

Imprisoned For Legal Stickers with Sam Melia

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