Red Ice TV - Is Russia Anti-Globalist？ What's Putin's Objective？

00:00:00.000 hey welcome ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for joining us today henrik here with

00:00:28.460 red eyes tv always a pleasure seeing you thank you for spending some of your time with us today i

00:00:33.460 think we're going to make it worth your while we have an interesting guest here coming up

00:00:36.760 apollonian germ you might or you might not have heard of him before he does a lot of good work

00:00:40.480 on research he takes history philosophy different ideologies and conspiracy into account as well in

00:00:46.500 regards to what our elites are trying to achieve a much bigger uh you know picture uh not just the

00:00:52.140 little geopolitical chess pieces that are being moved around on the board right now but the longer

00:00:56.060 uh view right where where are we going here long term uh if the elites the globalists get their way

00:01:01.660 so anyway we're going to talk about russia of course in ukraine today and see what the outcome of this

00:01:07.400 is is going to be uh see how the elites are using um to an extent both the conflicts but again also

00:01:14.040 the long-term agenda here and also how kind of dissidents in the west are attracted to russia

00:01:20.400 and to putin um maybe not as a solution to their problems but basically i think there's a general

00:01:26.060 recognition that the west is so corrupt uh it's so far gone that basically the only way we can go

00:01:32.660 about this is is to begin anew essentially it needs to fall over it needs to collapse to a certain

00:01:38.380 extent and maybe then out of those ashes something new can be built but the question is if we're also

00:01:44.400 serving someone else's agenda if and you know if we line up with that agenda right what's russians

00:01:49.540 russia's you know game here uh what's their objective would they benefit from a west um both

00:01:56.860 america but also europe that's you know uh weaker that's uh more uh more internally divided and these

00:02:04.560 kinds of things well there's some evidence that should suggest this right so we've been we've been

00:02:08.280 trying to be fair we've been trying to honestly look at the situation and compare what's happening

00:02:13.580 in ukraine and how they're being used by nato and the u.s state department the cia and essentially

00:02:18.460 we'll be uh you know uh we're very so kindly called global called global homo right it's using ukraine

00:02:24.780 it's a proxy war against uh russia and we've been trying to look at the situation uh just rationally

00:02:30.880 and see who who's acting in more uh who's that who's acting more rationally here right uh look i think a

00:02:37.020 trap was set for russia they walked into it but to a certain extent they didn't have an option but

00:02:41.180 they didn't want to have nukes uh right on their doorstep right you know right there on in ukraine

00:02:46.420 now stuff about the biolabs have come out as well so there's a lot of questions of why they're you

00:02:51.900 know why they're antagonizing russia in this way and the question is is that being used for a greater

00:02:56.300 purpose as well so we've been you know we've been kind of looking at putin and russia as like well you

00:03:00.720 know that it looks like they're they have the more reasonable approach here in in this equation

00:03:05.480 and although we've never said that we justify or think it's great that russia is invading ukraine

00:03:10.800 um we can see that um basically they've looked like the adult in the room for for the lack of a

00:03:17.720 better term uh but so today we're going to look at the flip side of that and and and criticize

00:03:21.740 russia more and specifically not not russians uh the average russians out there but come in the same

00:03:28.760 way that we see how the united states uh is being used and the people who control the united states is

00:03:34.220 using it for a much you know bigger purpose it's not to the benefit of the american people that we

00:03:38.960 see a foreign policy that's out of control for example or the the debt that the that the country

00:03:43.660 has gone into uh to act global police force and things like this right so we're going to talk about

00:03:48.660 putin uh what's his objective what's his relationship to uh other people in russia oligarchs what about

00:03:56.080 the jewish activism in relation to putin right we've spoken to other guests here in the past

00:04:01.480 they're kind of look looking at the situation differently and they take more of a pro-putin

00:04:05.860 stance a pro-russian stance but so today we're going to take more of an anti-russian stance and

00:04:11.220 look at the flip side of this and see how people and specifically dissidenters dissenters in the west

00:04:16.580 are are being used to a certain extent but i think it's an interesting discussion and an important one

00:04:21.800 to have as well we got to look at this from every angle from every side try to figure this out

00:04:26.180 is it to the benefit of us is it to the benefit of uh the objectives that we have this is going

00:04:31.400 to be interesting so apollonian jerome welcome it's good to uh have you here thank you so much

00:04:35.000 for joining us i've been wanting to get you on the show for actually some time we were talking

00:04:38.640 quite a while ago and it didn't pan out i think it was mostly my fault so but great to have you here

00:04:43.420 and thank you for joining us thank you for having me it's uh it's a pleasure it's a privilege um you

00:04:49.080 guys are one of the best shows on the internet as far as i'm concerned thank you i miss the old

00:04:54.920 youtube days where you guys get hundreds of thousands of subscribers we'll get there we'll

00:04:59.920 get there again no i i since i sincerely believe um alt tech platforms is where it's at we have a

00:05:06.160 good uh foothold on these already and i think at least if the uh trajectory of youtube uh holds out

00:05:11.400 then basic is not going to be nothing on there at the end of it so we'll see i'm i'm we're still

00:05:15.480 here by the grace of our viewers our supporters and our members and everyone out there who's sharing

00:05:19.760 links and stuff we're still here despite all the uh you know attempts and the gay ops to shut us

00:05:23.800 down but uh before we dive into our topic here then um introduce yourself a little bit you have

00:05:28.780 a youtube channel i've been enjoying some of your videos you're educated uh an educated philosopher

00:05:33.640 right you have some background on this you've set up a um you have an odyssey channel as well you set

00:05:38.340 up a telegram channel recently uh just tell us how you got into it a little bit yeah so um i have a

00:05:45.420 degree a bachelor's degree in philosophy from the university of illinois chicago i started my

00:05:51.240 education at uh loyola chicago and um really my interest in philosophy came from the fact that

00:05:59.020 at loyola i was involved in their honors program which um as part of the honors program you had to

00:06:06.580 take a course called the history of western thought and at the time that was fascinating to me just

00:06:14.900 on its own but now looking back on it after after years of just getting into uh the depths of of

00:06:22.160 history and philosophy and um learning about who who actually rules in society and and what direction

00:06:30.980 they want to take us in um looking back at that honors course uh the history of western thought

00:06:37.560 i um i can see how that perspective that genealogy of uh philosophical thought that led to today

00:06:49.180 uh it goes way back and that's to me one of my main interests in my channel is um exploring

00:06:56.280 um the genealogy of the elites who rules over us and the history of of the philosophy that led up to

00:07:08.040 today and uh we're gonna get it like you already mentioned the hegelian dialectic aspect of it um

00:07:15.620 you know a lot of the the marxist socialist one world government ideology that uh is so popular

00:07:23.440 today amongst the elites it goes back to people like marx it goes back to people like hegel who

00:07:28.800 was a big influence on marx and um so i those are those are my main interests i mean i i get into both

00:07:38.660 um the the genealogy of the elite and the the whole conspiracy theory angle of studying politics

00:07:47.860 from behind that's what i like about your work so much you you're you're well read and i i heard you

00:07:53.120 i forget what show it was but i heard you this is a while ago now but like clearly like you know

00:07:57.620 you've you've read up on the topic you're not one who uh dismissed the conspiracy aspect out of hand

00:08:02.900 here but actually read up on it looked into it and realized there's a whole as you say it's kind of a

00:08:07.220 string of thought here string of philosophies ideologies that like inter interwoves with the the

00:08:12.580 global elite essentially and and how they're also managed to kind of manipulate us along the way and

00:08:17.280 kind of how it's lead us around by the nose essentially oh yeah it's it's fascinating to learn

00:08:22.740 that a lot of the big philosophers that are taught in every university philosophy curriculum people

00:08:29.480 like descartes hagel marx um they all have a an occult mystical side to them and uh that that's one

00:08:39.480 of the big things that i like to stress on my channel is the fact that you know the the elites are often

00:08:45.360 called just greedy capitalists or people who are just in it for some kind of weird uh that they're

00:08:53.800 motivated just by greed or material gain yeah but uh i i really want to stress that they are

00:08:59.500 they're a lot smarter than that they're a lot more far-seeing than that and they uh they see

00:09:05.960 themselves as uh basically in my opinion undergoing some kind of alchemical yeah um uh transmutation

00:09:17.900 right some some kind of collaborate literally collaboration with god in the perfection of

00:09:24.240 mankind yeah and um that ties into exactly the ethnicity of who's ruling over us in a lot of ways

00:09:31.180 and um so yeah that that's that's my background and that's where i come at it and i'm always

00:09:37.400 looking for the the trails to to find out who's really behind the scenes pulling the strings so

00:09:44.700 yeah no it's great i've been enjoying your work and the things you're talking about uh and again i i

00:09:50.200 think you're right on that that there's definitely more to it here i think that that has even revealed

00:09:54.100 itself even in the course of the last uh couple of years even so-called woke culture now we see we can

00:09:58.980 openly see that you know capitalist corporations they don't even care about the the profits anymore

00:10:03.720 i mean look at someone like larry fink of blackrock right uh it's all about the esgs now and

00:10:08.680 sustainable development goals and like how do we you know jump on the carbon credit bandwagon and how

00:10:13.920 how do we manipulate people how do we you know even if they are running at a loss that the most

00:10:19.040 important thing is how you shape and mold humans and and control things basically right uh and again

00:10:25.200 even with the covid thing to touch on another thing you mentioned but uh with the vaccination

00:10:29.360 the covid vaccines and the mrna technology and stuff like that too uh that we're not we're now

00:10:34.860 entering onto a path where they're openly beginning to manipulate human dna and altering it changing it

00:10:40.860 now it's messenger uh rna but it could be something else tomorrow and most of the approaches now seems to

00:10:46.000 be at least when medicine pharmacopoeia is concerned uh is to use this methodology of going in on the on the

00:10:51.640 gene level and actually editing or at least giving your body the instruction it's need to begin to

00:10:56.900 alter or or squirt out a certain genetic code essentially that is definitely like an alchemical

00:11:01.240 transmutational thing and again believe me they're not changing us and editing us because they have our

00:11:06.280 best interest at heart and they're gonna make us all much better right what do you think oh yeah well

00:11:12.080 and and even you know i i've heard the theories about the the vaccine somehow altering dna permanently but

00:11:19.540 even if we assume that it doesn't um the idea that in order to live in a society and live in our

00:11:26.860 society um only if we are technologically upgraded somehow is transhumanism in and of itself it doesn't

00:11:36.280 have to alter our dna for it to be a transhumanist doctrine i wrote a paper about this recently that

00:11:43.160 you know the the vaccines the idea that we have to be technologically upgraded that we have to be

00:11:49.300 uh basically subject to uh this this constant um system of upgrades is in and of itself

00:11:59.620 transhumanism it's it's the the doctrine that our natural immune system is no longer sufficient

00:12:06.440 to live in society and um it's it follows from their basic their fundamental assumption or their

00:12:14.760 fundamental premise which is that uh we are fundamentally um corrupt somehow we are fundamentally

00:12:24.200 um flawed right flawed yeah that's the right word flawed and that through through science through

00:12:32.340 knowledge through these great wise men that they see themselves as uh they are going to perfect

00:12:39.040 mankind and lead us to some kind of like heavenly kingdom you know kingdom of heaven on earth and uh

00:12:46.280 that that i think is ultimately what they believe that that their their mission is yeah so that's uh

00:12:54.140 that's what that ties into it interesting yeah maybe we'll see if we have time later we might return

00:12:59.640 to i'm going to ask you more about that in the maybe the second part or toward the end or something

00:13:03.280 we'll we'll figure that out but let's switch over then a little bit and let's let's get into the topic

00:13:07.340 of of of russia and kind of what their uh what their um stake in the game is basically essentially and

00:13:13.460 and also how i think how people are swayed by uh by russia in a way i mean i think it's just just doing

00:13:18.580 an objective like uh scan of the situation especially as one on on in our field you can clearly see

00:13:25.700 selensky is obviously a puppet he's being used you have uh nato forces in ukraine you have

00:13:31.520 the u.s state department you have cia helping them with various things in many regards they've

00:13:36.620 been using ukraine just straight out as a proxy proxy this is openly talked about now even someone

00:13:41.580 like liam panetta the xcaa guy to mention this on a show a while back like yeah if new people

00:13:46.240 recognize or not it's a proxy we're using it you know what i mean and so our reaction looking at the

00:13:52.180 elite right looking at the global global homo cult out there he would be like to excuse me would be to

00:13:58.220 recognize like okay well if they're for something maybe our default position should be that we have

00:14:04.280 to be against it kind of thing that that is a natural reaction i heard it put in a different

00:14:07.880 way about trump which was very good and they said what was interesting about trump is he seemed to

00:14:12.960 have all the right enemies you know i mean and and that's kind of an easy then for a lot of people

00:14:19.120 to kind of fall into that trap if you will but tell us how you approach this situation with with

00:14:23.460 ukraine and russia because right now the the pressure is immense of course in in western media

00:14:28.240 uh to be pro ukraine and all of a sudden you know nationalism is a great thing and they are even

00:14:33.240 looking the other way for so-called national socialists or or nazis which which is a fascinating

00:14:37.820 thing in and of itself they're desperately seeking it and and and hunting it under every corner under every

00:14:44.300 rock in the west but then when they actually have you know you know kind of a tangible

00:14:49.080 an actual presence let's say in a military in in a battalion in a military uh force of a of a nation

00:14:56.560 they're kind of looking the other way in fact even the adl gave them a pass recently and just

00:15:00.920 it's not it's not so bad they're not attacking jews or jewish institutions um one of the guys said

00:15:06.180 that adl interviewed for for a story on this specifically right uh but but uh is it yeah yeah so tell

00:15:13.060 us how you approach this in terms of like a trap and stuff because i think at least for me at the

00:15:17.400 outset i was like okay clearly they set a trap here russia kind of didn't have an option they

00:15:22.080 didn't have a choice but they walked into it of sorts and looking at it as an overview was like

00:15:27.780 okay well it looks at this point like russia has more more reasoning of why they're doing what they're

00:15:33.100 doing at least they're not you know maybe using another country for a proxy but that doesn't mean

00:15:37.340 that russia doesn't have its own objective its own goals its own ambitions and aspirations um and of

00:15:43.740 course there are elements here where a weakened west would ultimately you know kind of benefit

00:15:48.560 russia as well but but take us into the uh topic okay so well i think my response is it won't address

00:15:58.980 a lot of what you just said because i'm just going to start by saying my first assumption in any global

00:16:05.760 conflict in any kind of uh uh big media uh circus that's going on my first assumption is that it's

00:16:13.320 somehow managed on both sides to at least some extent and i always look for some kind of clue as to

00:16:20.200 how both sides are managed by the same hidden hand because when we look back at history um

00:16:29.020 anyone who's gotten into really deep into the the history of of conspiracy studies and and uh analysis

00:16:37.280 knows that um the the big bankers the big international you know who ish bankers i don't know

00:16:46.120 how how you can name them go ahead the big international jewish bankers they they controlled

00:16:54.280 the economies and behind the scenes the politics of the whole world twice over by now i mean people

00:17:00.420 were writing back in the saturday evening post uh back in the 1940s that the jewish bankers controlled

00:17:07.940 the entire economy of china of australia of uh we could see you know people great researchers in my

00:17:15.060 opinion like anthony sutton um blew the lid off of the ussr long ago and showed that the ussr

00:17:24.160 and other people wrote about this too a lot of people have written about this uh the bolshevik

00:17:28.420 revolution began with jewish funding from bankers like schiff and uh warburg yeah warburg and uh

00:17:35.920 the the swedish one what was his name ashberry it was yeah i think it was uh was it's not um

00:17:42.180 oh we we have a television presenter called robert ashberg that's his son or no it might be his grandson

00:17:48.260 actually uh he's uh out hunting nationalists and stuff like that on these tv shows but yeah his name was

00:17:54.120 uh uh uh anton ashberg or something like that but anyway yeah he was one of them he was one of the

00:18:00.180 bankers so they set up something called red bank i believe uh that at the time yeah yeah that's

00:18:05.080 interesting i didn't know that yeah the legacy the legacy continues to this day it sure does yes yes but

00:18:10.220 uh the you know when when you really you got to have a long memory to understand politics today you

00:18:15.860 got to know that that once that control has been established it's not they're not going to easily

00:18:21.820 give it up and if you look up right now things like type into google the continuity of elites in

00:18:27.580 russia uh there have been academic studies that show uh that the elites that exist today in russia

00:18:34.140 the oligarchs the so-called oligarchs um are are carryovers from the soviet union so if the soviet

00:18:42.520 union was controlled and uh developed uh by these elite globalist you know western corporations and

00:18:51.620 western banks um the idea that they somehow lost their grip on that region of the world um in oh in

00:19:01.460 just the last 20 years uh or 30 years is is absurd to me and so starting with that assumption starting

00:19:10.020 with the understanding that uh russia for a long time has been controlled by these international bankers

00:19:16.380 uh ukraine obviously so so obviously i mean zelinski is just a jewish gay actor um it's it's kind of

00:19:24.440 disgusting the the things that you know people make fun of donald trump for being a celebrity

00:19:28.860 uh tv celebrity look at the the shit that zelinski has done yeah so you know we have both both sides of

00:19:35.120 this conflict uh at the at the top tier controlled by the same people uh once you realize that you got to

00:19:44.720 start to wonder what the actual objective of this of this conflict is and you know for the for the

00:19:49.860 skeptics we can get into a lot of the details things like uh how putin really isn't the friend of the

00:19:55.040 alt-right um because this is this is another topic which you which you mentioned a lot of people

00:20:00.700 uh have this knee-jerk reaction of siding with russia because they see russia as some kind of

00:20:07.940 some kind of haven uh some kind of anti-globo homo haven because russia in and of itself is uh

00:20:16.680 it doesn't allow the whole uh globo homo zeitgeist within its own borders um but as as we could show

00:20:26.880 mountains of evidence for um they're promoting it in the west um and even within russia you know

00:20:34.060 putin is anti-nationalist he said it himself he is uh uh very much philo-semitic he he loves the jews

00:20:42.260 he's promoted numerous jews to top positions in his oligarchy um and so we can get into those kinds

00:20:49.220 of things but that's that's my basic stance on the whole issue is um the continuity from the soviet

00:20:55.500 union we know that they were created and funded and developed by western international powers

00:21:01.620 um and and the things that they do today and so you know i i really don't understand what

00:21:08.440 i i should have actually looked into this more why people on the alt-right

00:21:13.040 are promoting russia is just beyond me i don't i don't know why they're they're taking this stance

00:21:19.760 other than um because they're misled or because they they think it's cool to be opposed to the west

00:21:28.380 it's the hegelian dialectic like you're saying the the the west has been so thoroughly demonized

00:21:35.140 and corrupted that anything that looks like opposition to them becomes attractive that's

00:21:41.180 what i think right there yeah so that that's my whole stance on the issue and and if you want to

00:21:47.960 get into the specifics we could start to do that but um yeah let's do that because we have a couple

00:21:53.320 clips on that too we could we could save those because that could be a good point uh to kind of

00:21:57.260 semi-soul situation there basically but yeah let's begin looking what would you say generally

00:22:02.180 though is there a looking at the situation obviously i think it's different maybe the kind

00:22:08.040 of duganism that we saw with like you know literally like alt-right.com and things like that

00:22:12.860 and i was you know briefly associated with that just you know not a secret but not a big fan not like

00:22:18.720 you know yeah this is the solution or whatever but it was at the time it was it was a lot of that

00:22:22.960 kind of weaved into it ironically people like richard spencer has moved on and he has uh ukraine

00:22:27.780 flags in his bio it's i guess less duganism at least from that point of view but then i guess you

00:22:33.480 have other factions now they're kind of you know yeah let's pray for putin so he destroys uh you know

00:22:38.280 global homo in ukraine you know kind of thing and again my point has been we here we have a bunch

00:22:44.080 of ukrainians white european ukrainians and white european russians fighting each other killing each

00:22:51.120 other uh gruesome things are coming out now with the the torturing each other and all kinds of nasty

00:22:56.260 things right uh but my question is but who benefits at the top what's the synthesis that will come out

00:23:01.040 of this at the end right because just as you i think you basically just summarize it summarize it

00:23:05.460 right there um you have an elite a clique call them oligarchs call it an international clique or

00:23:11.940 whatever the benefits from these conflicts um even in the bigger picture i think abalone and like the

00:23:17.480 the consequences now with the oil and gas prices the the food shortages issue that they're beginning

00:23:23.580 blaming on on this conflict now uh you know food shortage fertilizer shortage all these kinds of

00:23:29.760 things well that's just coincidentally things that have just played it's played perfectly into things

00:23:34.940 that already begun under the covet scam right of two years of this supposed pandemic thing and uh

00:23:40.420 you know that has been part of the great reset and plans like absolute zero and things like that

00:23:45.220 and i i just i can't see that as an accident as a side effect of like this dirty snowball began

00:23:50.520 rolling a long time ago and now here we have another conflict that perfectly fits like a puzzle piece

00:23:55.740 into this uh into this big global puzzle that we're laying and and it just happens to be that oh it's

00:24:01.800 checking a number of those boxes of things that they wanted to achieve what do you think

00:24:04.720 oh yeah absolutely i mean the the specifics on the the financial and economic issues i i i don't know

00:24:11.940 too much about i mean i know that there's a lot of resources in central asia and a lot of resources in

00:24:17.840 ukraine um that are suddenly becoming scarce because of the conflict i know that uh uh both you know the

00:24:25.680 uh these international powers are going to profit from from this kind of conflict i know that

00:24:31.860 uh the sad reality is that um the the people who are most likely to die in this conflict are the

00:24:40.520 the bravest strongest probably the best men in the region yeah and uh this is something that war

00:24:47.520 constantly does is it calls calls the herd of uh men that are actually willing to fight and die for

00:24:53.120 their countries and uh that that's always a bonus for the uh the international elites to kill off

00:24:59.980 good men and i you know that that region of the world i think is a lot less emasculated than the

00:25:06.540 west and that uh a good a few good wars in that area might do the same thing to uh to that region of

00:25:15.300 the world that it did to to central and western europe after world war one and world war two um

00:25:21.140 so those are those are the kinds of things that i think about in terms of this conflict i also think

00:25:27.620 that in terms of uh the the larger objectives the the bigger agenda and we could sort of build up to

00:25:35.640 this too at some later in the interview i suppose but just to lay all my cards on the table uh my

00:25:42.780 opinion is that the global elites know they know that they cannot suddenly roll out a one world

00:25:50.600 government even though that's what they want i think that's what they want ultimately they want this

00:25:55.080 one world uh global totalitarianism uh but they can't do that at this point you know it's not

00:26:03.040 something that is feasible um so the next logical step toward that is this uh what dugan calls

00:26:13.320 multi-polarity and the the creation of power blocks and i think the creation of like a eurasian

00:26:20.520 power block uh will stimulate the creation of a western power block and this is it'll further

00:26:29.620 it'll cause a more complete consolidation of power in the west uh versus power in eurasia and this is

00:26:39.140 something that even richard spencer who i think you just mentioned um talks about as a good thing you

00:26:45.640 know he promotes this is a really good thing that uh this conflict in ukraine is causing nato and the

00:26:50.740 west to to be more unified and it's uh it's something that's really like um uh creating more definition

00:27:01.200 uh creating more uh of a clear identity of western civilization as opposed to eurasian civilization

00:27:10.540 and that this uh this impetus of this conflict between the west and eurasia um is a good thing

00:27:17.820 for the west because it's going to further consolidate the uh political identity of western civilization so i

00:27:25.600 think that's kind of the orwellian you know uh you know the the oceania versus east asia yeah exactly

00:27:34.840 i was just gonna say that right it to me it looks like it's these you know you have to have a hardening

00:27:39.400 of these two forges first of all if you want them to go to war right i mean if if because ultimately

00:27:43.780 i think we're talking about an elite that wants a calling of the population and war necessarily is

00:27:51.280 depending on the nature of it though of course you know nuclear war well you know where this could be

00:27:55.680 nasty we have now technologies biowarfare chemical warfare things that we didn't even have in the second

00:28:00.560 world war for example right uh but but sometimes i was gonna say warfare might not be the best

00:28:05.540 method for it but the comp but a consequence for it the fallouts afterwards supply chain issues food

00:28:11.260 shortages diseases starvation you know these kinds of things that can be quite effective but my point

00:28:15.860 is i see it as as as the west intentionally antagonizing making it you know the worst they

00:28:23.280 possibly can as opposed to like immediate i think we should be on good terms with russia we should trade

00:28:27.540 with them we should buy oil and gas from them that's not a problem we did it before now we're shooting

00:28:32.260 ourselves in the foot right which will weaken the west it will weaken our people we will ultimately

00:28:36.260 also suffer from that and i see that that's part of the game right so they're doing everything they

00:28:39.980 can to harden themselves and to as you say kind of push russia into the hands of china you'll see

00:28:45.820 that cooperation much closer uh they're forming kind of a i don't want to call it an axis but you

00:28:50.800 know what i mean when i use the word like with with iran even india now they're there to you know oil

00:28:55.560 trading with them china that that's large population numbers right there and it's also i mean india

00:29:01.140 china that's not like uh low iq countries that's like high iq you know generally people uh for the

00:29:06.860 most not always but for the most part right and uh the the elites the globalist elite can can do an

00:29:12.000 awful lot with that right and so ultimately i see and i want your take on this but they want a clash

00:29:16.660 between these two hardened forces and that i think is the synthesis out of that out of a third world war

00:29:23.340 i guess that goes back to um albert pike or something you know the third the letter he wrote

00:29:27.740 um but out of that you will have a kind of a new world order phoenix kind of rising out what what

00:29:33.380 do you make of it oh yeah that that i mean essentially i agree with that i i think that

00:29:40.000 they were going through an intermediate step toward that uh like i said you have to have these

00:29:45.020 intermediate steps you can't just jump from uh these regional nations to a global government we have

00:29:50.600 to go from and i think that they tried that they tried the that uh immediate jump to a one world

00:29:59.440 government with the the whole world revolutionary communist uh communist push uh right started in

00:30:07.260 the 1800s and uh culminated with the soviet union and uh they so they they tried you know the elites

00:30:14.680 are not uh i don't think they're stupid i've said that and i don't think that they're beholden to

00:30:20.100 one particular ideology no uh that's that's something that i think people you know get

00:30:25.440 confused about is they think the elites are just communists or the elites are just capitalists now

00:30:29.740 that the elites uh use these different ideologies as tools and whatever is most um auspicious at the

00:30:39.620 moment whatever is most beneficial to them in the moment they will uh implement and so they i think

00:30:45.980 they gave up on this idea that we could just that they could just force the global population into

00:30:51.160 one total state and uh that they they've realized that they have to sort of appeal to um to to more

00:31:02.240 localized aspects of our of our different nationalities and our different races and this is something

00:31:09.220 that dugan does i think in his eurasianism um and you know dugan for for the audience i don't know

00:31:17.280 most people probably know they probably know i think yeah yeah like he's very he was in vogue in the alt

00:31:23.520 right for a while and lauren southern did a interview with him he was involved with arctos he was uh

00:31:28.800 uh getting richard spencer was having his wife translate his works into english and uh he he's known as

00:31:37.480 this advisor to putin and was that the guy they called putin's brain for a while didn't they call

00:31:42.560 him that yeah i think rasputin something like that yeah exactly yeah yeah i mean how i've had people

00:31:49.820 challenge me on that uh how how much influence he actually has with the russian government i guess

00:31:54.140 is questionable yeah i mean he does have connections with the some top brass in in russian military

00:31:59.500 yeah uh his family comes from a high position in the kgb his dad was like a lieutenant colonel or

00:32:06.360 something in the kgb um so regardless of his actual um pull with the russian administration at this time

00:32:14.620 i think that he he's in the know so to speak he's involved in in insider circles and his

00:32:23.960 understanding of the world and his sort of prescriptions for how russia should should proceed

00:32:29.140 uh i think come from a place where he has uh intimate knowledge with uh these insider circles

00:32:37.140 and that he has an actual he has his finger on the pulse and um he his ideas don't just come out of

00:32:43.160 nowhere i think his ideas actually regardless of his actual influence to putin his ideas come from a

00:32:49.420 place where he he sort of knows what's going on and his his um uh it's not it's not just out of left

00:32:56.800 field i guess i'm saying so right and he's still a good bellwether right and and it looks to me that

00:33:02.100 the interest here is a lot it has been focused at least from his point of view and of course that's

00:33:06.620 not all of his work but it's to talk with western dissidents in different settings and and and sure

00:33:13.480 yes i mean these are not groups that hold any political sway or something like that but at the

00:33:17.540 same time you could argue there's a there's a there is an undercurrent right in the west and again

00:33:21.880 for obvious reasons it's not that we're against against that i'm not against that but but it's

00:33:27.440 clear that it's something that could be that could be utilized by someone who seeks to let's let's say

00:33:31.260 undermine and and and not for good reasons but for nefarious reasons or for other objectives right

00:33:35.360 but being to you know yeah talk with the dissidents and lifting that out and and then this weird thing

00:33:41.040 happens where like he talks with you know uh people on the far right or whatever you want to call

00:33:45.300 them even white nationalists but then he has this very at least from old quotes and even some new ones as

00:33:50.160 well uh where he's very he's clearly anti-white and i i you know and i was like well this is well

00:33:56.660 this is interesting i i guess again it's kind of he's like a uh restoration of like the soviet

00:34:03.320 ex-soviet bloc with with asia joined like a eurasian supercontinent that has nothing to do with race

00:34:09.480 um it's kind of like a civnet type thing right uh but then at the same time you know it seeks to

00:34:15.040 benefit like a restoration i guess of the of the russian empire but even even greater even bigger i guess

00:34:20.120 i'm not sure how to how to explain it to be honest yeah well he you know he was involved in a lot of

00:34:25.540 like occult circles uh in his early years he was like a satanist for a while and uh when i listened

00:34:32.500 to him talking to in his interview with lauren southern i just listened to that today so it's

00:34:37.300 fresh in my mind uh a lot of what he said is uh basically the most um present it's the most presentable

00:34:48.500 he could make ideas of things like theosophy i think is basically what underpins his uh his political

00:34:56.260 theory he he promotes things like tradition but he says that western tradition is basically the same

00:35:04.200 as islamic tradition and that when when it all goes back uh when you get down to the the deepest roots

00:35:12.300 of things then you find that these two traditions are the same and that uh this kind of like seek

00:35:19.380 you know there's a lot of people out there i think online in dissident right circles who believe that

00:35:26.420 there is this kind of universal tradition of truth and it ties in with theosophical thinking

00:35:32.020 um but that that i think is what will underpin the new world order religion ultimately and you'll

00:35:39.300 you'll every region will be able to have their specific religions um but they're going to all

00:35:44.920 tie in with this sense of universalism that we all every religion has its roots in this one

00:35:52.100 universal truth and and dugan promotes that kind of thing so his eurasianism you know his his old

00:35:58.440 ideas of geopolitics and things of that nature where he talks about how the the region and the politics

00:36:05.260 of the region are so intimately tied and that that's why you know eurasia has a certain uh political

00:36:12.380 outlook because it's a continental power versus the atlanticist power because they their their power was

00:36:18.140 based in in their navies and and based on their travel of the seas um he takes into account this

00:36:25.900 regional specificity but in the end i think he wants to establish uh a universalism that that unites the

00:36:34.960 two that that goes deeper and unites them so yeah yeah he's he's definitely anti-racist because you

00:36:41.920 can't you can't have this hierarchy you can have difference and that's what he says you know he's

00:36:46.240 we can we can admit that there's differences between the races but you can't have this hierarchy

00:36:51.900 necessarily and that that's something that you know ties in with uh uh exactly what's happening in

00:37:00.340 russia i think is is uh you know following that sort of trajectory where exactly let's go through

00:37:08.860 some of that because you put some good links in and this really kind of underlines this point as well

00:37:12.720 uh the first one or some this one uh arctogaya.ru like uh i guess the russian side right uh but i had

00:37:20.140 to translate it as well do you want to read the quote or do you want me to read that uh you had it in the

00:37:23.900 sure where he talks about he he's talking about white racism in this quote it's it's much farther

00:37:29.920 down the page yep i'll get it highlighted right here let's see where is it there right there there

00:37:34.840 it is so he says white racism apart from extremely peripheral and inconspicuous phenomenon is a

00:37:42.680 completely disgusting atlanticist thing and at the root of many great geopolitical catastrophes

00:37:48.980 the notorious unity of the white race is as stupid as the notion of a united christian world

00:37:54.680 this is the most harmful atlanticist pr so to understand the terminology here you know atlanticist

00:38:02.780 that's his that's his term for white western civilization um he sees them as having their power

00:38:10.480 based around like i said the navy and the sea and trade uh especially because of the

00:38:18.760 the ability to trade over long distances and colonize different places uh through sea power

00:38:25.820 so you know dugan's involvement with the alt-right when this is part of his uh philosophy is is kind

00:38:34.160 of silly because the alt-right ostensibly is supposed to be about uh raising consciousness for

00:38:39.840 white people and getting them to realize that we are a unique race and that our survival is essential

00:38:45.100 and that we we want to survive we want to be united in a sense in our survival um so

00:38:53.280 that that i think is something to consider for people that are big on on russia and dugan and

00:39:01.840 these sorts of things i uh yeah definitely yeah i mean that's important uh it's important to be aware

00:39:07.840 of that those kinds of things right yeah and you had another one i was actually looking for the

00:39:11.380 source right here i'm not sure if this is the one uh was it from uh let me see it was from the

00:39:16.640 foundations of geopolitics right right so this uh

00:39:21.840 i i didn't write the page number down if you if you have like a pdf of the book i'm sure you could

00:39:29.820 just control f and find this uh quote but he says it is especially important to introduce geopolitical

00:39:35.920 disorder into internal american activity encouraging all kinds of separatism and

00:39:42.000 uh ethnic social and racial conflicts actively supporting all dissident movements extremist

00:39:50.480 racist and sectarian groups thus destabilizing internal political processes in the u.s

00:39:57.000 um and this is this people who like to say dugan has no influence this um

00:40:05.800 is especially important because this is what russia is doing this is exactly what russia is doing

00:40:13.660 um i don't know if you were able to find the quote i i was i this might not actually be the right

00:40:18.580 copy i was maybe it's not even the right uh book as you can see the title is in russian there so i might

00:40:22.500 be i might be out on a limb here but uh point taken that you read the quote and that's what you know

00:40:26.980 where it's from so yeah yeah it's it's different translations will probably have different uh

00:40:31.820 exact wording but the point is that you know this this is the the modus operandi of the kremlin right

00:40:40.140 now and there's there's all kinds of evidence for the fact that russia has been um funding both sides

00:40:49.280 of of so-called extremism in the west you know they're involved with black lives matter on one side

00:40:55.580 and also with the alt-right on the other side and you have to wonder why that's happening i think

00:41:03.840 the ultimately the reason is that it's it's to weaken the so-called unipolarity of of the united

00:41:12.800 states control and you know even putting it that way i i hate to put it that way because it's not

00:41:19.740 really the united states in control right this is a controlled demolition of uh what was a hegemonic

00:41:27.860 power block and it's breaking it down into multiple power blocks in order to recombine them into

00:41:37.340 larger uh regional superpowers i would say you know the united states can't have total power anymore

00:41:46.280 because the united states can't be independent anymore it has to be brought in and coalesced with

00:41:52.920 western europe i would i would imagine and australia i would imagine to bring it into a larger

00:42:00.180 uh political block you know so the united states has to be weakened it has to be ultimately uh uh eroded

00:42:08.860 the independence of it the autonomy of it has to be eroded and destroyed to subsume it into a larger

00:42:14.060 collective you can't have nationalism you can't have people running around out there you know being

00:42:18.560 patriotic and pro their heritage and history and stuff we're talking about the creation of a new man

00:42:23.420 here essentially i mean a new system a new man a whole new concept uh you have to deracinate people

00:42:28.980 whether that you tie them to a a new a new age religion something occult or something even existing

00:42:34.720 right so let's assume they maybe they run with abrahamic religions but they just see a kind of a

00:42:39.300 syncretic solution to it right there's even i came across it the other day it's a little bit off topic but

00:42:43.600 like um the abrahamic family house uh do was it abu dhabi uh united arab emirat is building

00:42:51.640 uh three huge uh squares like cubes basically and one is a mosque the other is a synagogue and one is

00:42:59.420 a church and there's you know they're beginning like that kind of syncretism or like you know

00:43:04.060 unification of all the abrahamic faiths basically right um but yeah so that's why you have to have

00:43:09.360 that erosion you can't have as you say like you know american exceptionalism and patriotism on the

00:43:15.360 forefront of a new global system you have to erode that back home while you're promoting a new kind

00:43:19.960 of thing and maybe and maybe for a time you know they could use america for this too the segment of

00:43:24.260 the population because this is not about fulfilling americans interest what they want right this is by

00:43:28.980 using the power and the economic means that america i mean certainly still have to a certain extent but

00:43:34.320 what 30 trillion in debt i mean it's just a matter of time before this house of cards falls apart right

00:43:40.440 and when they does they will make their move but it used to be used as a as a as a enforcement arm

00:43:45.580 right that's why you had america and those who control america especially its foreign policy

00:43:49.880 go to foreign countries that for example didn't have a central bank coincidentally and bombing those

00:43:56.660 countries back to the stone age and then rebuilding it up again with basically you know global homo

00:44:01.320 so-called democratic policies it's all that's all part of that game but i feel that that time is kind

00:44:07.500 of like coming to an end for america that they've used it up essentially and so now there's a new we're

00:44:12.160 entering into a new phase how is that correct would you say uh to some extent yeah you know there's um

00:44:19.260 something called hegemonic stability theory um which basically you know the from the wikipedia page

00:44:26.340 the theory of international relations rooted in uh research from political economics and historical

00:44:34.240 fields uh where basically an international system they say an international system is more likely to

00:44:40.140 remain stable when a single state is the dominant world power or hegemon and if you look back into the

00:44:47.180 history of you know the the classic conspiracy theory histories of like the venetian black nobility

00:44:54.260 and uh the how how it moved from uh venice up into amsterdam and uh and london yeah the uh the east india

00:45:04.600 companies and then how it moved from from there into the united states to some extent you know how it's

00:45:11.360 the the the core the the headquarters so to speak of the power elite um moves depending on what uh regional

00:45:23.300 power is going to be most beneficial for its uh ultimate international plans and that phase of the

00:45:34.060 the whole conspiracy so to speak um it has to come to a close at some point you can't just have

00:45:40.820 the hegemon moving from region to region forever you have to be able to eventually break it down and

00:45:47.660 and have the whole world unified and uh i think that they they do want to move into that phase uh eventually

00:45:56.140 and the united states maybe there will emerge a new hegemon after the united states falls but um

00:46:02.620 i think it'll be after this breakdown and then recollection this recoalescence of powers into like i said earlier

00:46:13.560 more uh super continental powers um yeah that's the next stage regions yeah exactly just blocks

00:46:22.520 you know uh europe will be even europe internally will divide it up now it's the eu which is borderless

00:46:28.880 essentially right and then it will just be segments of depending on the land mass i guess but

00:46:32.500 you know and kind of a warning here too i guess it's like what this look we're we're that's

00:46:38.460 as the frankfurt school said right we'll make the west so corrupt that it stinks right and it's easy

00:46:43.980 to go along with that plan because it does stink now uh it is corrupt it's out of control it's uh

00:46:49.180 teaching fourth graders how to uh do blow jobs right it's you know they're doing sexual uh reassignment

00:46:55.340 surgeries they're doing promoting hormone blockers behind parents i mean the crazy stuff like that's

00:47:00.780 happening in the west it's like our it's like let's just burn it all down kind of thing but in that

00:47:05.600 process we're also kind of we got to make sure we don't we're not doing someone else's bidding in

00:47:10.400 that process as opposed to let's say well shouldn't we maybe and i'm not saying like oh politics is all

00:47:16.280 a political solution but i'm saying just working internally in our countries that we have like

00:47:20.520 we need to get good people good men in positions of power again to restore some kind of normalcy

00:47:26.540 perhaps look maybe the only solution is to to let it fall i'm not i'm not i don't even i don't know

00:47:31.680 right but it is interesting that we always have to kind of think about that does what we advocate

00:47:37.500 kind of play into a bigger agenda and essentially are we being used as as as tools right in that

00:47:42.620 process yeah uh that's those are good points to make and uh going back to the issue of of russia

00:47:50.480 being anti-globo homo um the this position that a lot of some influential people on the alt-right take

00:47:57.480 which is that you know russia russia's based uh they're nationalistic they're anti you know gay

00:48:04.720 feminist all that kind of uh degeneracy that is is being pushed in the west um i think the reason

00:48:13.940 that russia gets away with that is because they've already been broken down they've already had their

00:48:18.180 people uh so thoroughly demoralized um by the the the totalitarian soviet state that they don't need

00:48:27.720 to implement these tools in their own society and and they continue to do it in the west they continue

00:48:34.740 to to like we just showed you know supporting all kinds of extremist movements and and whatnot in

00:48:42.160 the west promoting things like black lives matter to to um foment this kind of conflict um these

00:48:51.220 this breakdown of our society into different warring sectarian groups this uh

00:48:57.380 uh and the liberalization the or the liberalism i should say the individualism of the west that was

00:49:06.720 never really the end goal of anything that was the that that's always been a tool uh to to break down

00:49:14.800 a society and make them more malleable it's always been you know it's uh the dissolve and then recombine

00:49:21.640 type uh satanic motto that they that's yeah the old alchemical it's uh solve it coagula right

00:49:28.140 dissolve and then put it back together again and in that process you put it together in the shape that

00:49:33.520 you want you it's an it's an opportunity to fold it anew right or mold it i should say yeah so a lot

00:49:39.360 of the people that promote uh russia and dugan they they point to the west and say that they're

00:49:45.700 the west is liberal and we're against liberalism but liberalism is is only it's it's a means to an end

00:49:55.240 it's not the end in itself and russia doesn't need liberalism because they they've already had their

00:50:01.380 society completely just ravaged the the russian people were uh subject to i think worse uh worse

00:50:10.660 treatment i mean look at alexander soltonichin's works uh they're they're subject to worse treatment

00:50:15.820 and psychological and physical abuse than i think any other society on earth so they don't

00:50:20.560 they don't really need that uh that club uh beaten into their skull anymore they're already malleable

00:50:28.720 right so that and again to emphasize that point it means just like in the u.s it's not

00:50:35.540 your average russian that's benefiting from any of this or even doing any of this it's it's as usual

00:50:41.280 it's always an elite at the very top uh that's using nations different ideologies and objectives

00:50:46.160 uh for for a kind of a higher purpose right but you had this piece here too uh the atlantic is one

00:50:51.560 option uh one extent another example uh and you brought up uh heimbach and of course he's flip

00:50:57.620 flopped uh interestingly in recent times as well and i guess he just came out full uh nas bowl here

00:51:02.000 what was it last year or was it a year half ago something like that oh yeah that that was pretty uh

00:51:07.880 that was pretty interesting pretty ridiculous i he i don't know how anyone could have ever looked at

00:51:13.340 him yeah you know i'm i'm a believer in physiognomy to be honest so you take one look at the guy

00:51:19.140 so yeah that that's typical of of i think the alt-right look at look at uh um richard spencer who

00:51:30.060 used to be very pro-russia and now he's pro-ukraine and he said i i recently heard a soundbite uh on

00:51:38.720 you know martina's perspective that his show he included a soundbite of spencer saying oh well

00:51:45.720 you know at the time i was pro-russia because my wife was russian and uh she had a lot of influence

00:51:52.300 on me yeah how can you take a a thinker seriously if they're going to base uh they're they're in

00:52:00.060 position on this major issue on on the question of russia based on the fact that your wife is russian

00:52:08.280 and you're going to let you're going to let that completely control your mind uh on the on the

00:52:14.020 issue that yeah because call into question all his other all his other opinions because he's got a lot

00:52:19.320 of other connections and if his wife is able to influence him that much imagine what his other

00:52:23.120 connections how his other connections influence well so some people say it's just an agitator at this

00:52:28.020 point or like you know obviously used maybe maybe maybe enough uh look i don't know about any of

00:52:32.980 these but like you know maybe there's enough feds that uh threatened him with other lawsuits or

00:52:37.920 anything is possible at this stage uh but uh no you're right the flip-flopping is always suspect

00:52:43.860 like that and and he so he flip-flopped on that issue and then deflecting i remember he even even

00:52:48.320 fought with me this is back in the early days of when they had you know when he had set up the

00:52:52.400 alt-right.com website and stuff of um you know the holodomore i was like yeah arguing is like hey look

00:53:00.080 they intentionally killed a bunch of ukrainians here and look at what ethnicity did it and whatnot and

00:53:04.640 he just like started fighting me on it publicly on twitter like the first of all is this really the

00:53:08.980 best place for this if you have a beat like take it behind the scenes or whatever but then it was

00:53:13.500 like what are you kidding me you tell me you're trying to look the other way now and that's actually

00:53:17.060 kind of part of i guess what they've been trying to do recently right it's this no it wasn't that bad

00:53:21.880 and you you put in a couple articles on that too how they're kind of like trying to sanitize uh the old

00:53:26.740 uh old things that happened a little bit uh under um under stall and and some of the other uh leaders

00:53:31.940 there as well right right well and just i guess the last thing i'll say about spencer because i

00:53:37.120 don't like talking about people in particular but why is it relevant spencer doesn't really matter you

00:53:40.880 know so uh it's not it's not even the flip-flopping it's it's the reason for the flip-flopping i mean

00:53:46.400 you can flip-flop if you if you say oh i had this opinion because i thought that this was fact was true x y

00:53:52.540 and z and then i found out that a b and c were true and that changed my mind he's saying that he had

00:53:57.940 the opinion about russia because his wife was russian like that that's not a serious i don't

00:54:03.660 think i don't think that's honest either to be honest i don't think that's true i think it's

00:54:08.280 just making that up i'll just blame it on the wife because she's out of the picture now i don't know

00:54:12.060 right right yeah it's bizarre anyway so this is the quote you had from heimbach here i see russia

00:54:17.100 as a kind of uh as a kind of the axis for nationalists and that's not just nationalists that

00:54:22.760 are white that's all nationalists i guess it's a international nationalist uh haven then right

00:54:30.180 oh well and we can do like you know the curb your enthusiasm meme edit where you you cut to the next

00:54:35.920 quote and it's vladimir putin in a kremlin kremlin press statement saying russia considers any

00:54:41.780 manifestation of nationalism and xenophobia to be destructive because we are a multi-ethnic country

00:54:47.280 yeah uh he he goes on to say we need to work to eradicate the roots of all nationalism and

00:54:52.840 anti-semitism too so where these guys came up with this this was like maybe three or four years ago i'm

00:55:00.660 i'm pretty sure this atlantic article yeah it was very in vogue at that time you had spencer at a rally

00:55:06.120 screaming things like russia is our friend and uh you know it was it was pretty much the the status quo

00:55:14.380 among the dissident right at that time to consider russia this great bastion of nationalism at the

00:55:19.660 same time putin is is making official statements um that that nationalism is is um antithetical to

00:55:30.840 to russia's uh official positions political position so yeah you know what i have two we could play two

00:55:38.060 it's more humorous but you know i think it's still be a good point a good place to do it two clips one is

00:55:42.700 dugan here right he's being asked by uh uh ed dutton regarding who's who's uh who's russian listen

00:55:47.940 to this it's a group of blacks move to russia learn russian become orthodox and say they are russian

00:55:52.960 would you accept them as russian yes exactly absolutely absolutely the russian uh is the

00:56:00.500 uh is the is is about hot not about the skin about the center not about surface which is interesting

00:56:11.120 because that's also a very uh that's what's the term i'm looking for very flat uh you know kind of

00:56:18.560 approach to what people what actually is real regarding race if you just think that it's skin

00:56:23.300 deep uh well i got news for you it's more than that guess what again you're taking that very

00:56:29.320 mainstream western liberal global homo approach to the question here and it doesn't differ anything of

00:56:34.820 course of what well you could you could you could argue just to be fair you could argue that the west

00:56:40.040 has gone further than that now and they're and they're actually beginning to re-categorizing

00:56:45.600 people based on race in many universities and things like that but again that's not because

00:56:49.500 they believe in race that's because that they can single out white people and uniquely suppress them

00:56:54.420 and and keep them away from like institutions and stuff like that in other words it it has flipped from

00:56:59.420 like not seeing race uh to seeing race for the purposes of singling out whites what do you think

00:57:04.820 yeah oh absolutely i think that whites are a special target of the elites because of our unique history

00:57:13.080 um and our unique i would say you know racial spirit i think that we are particularly um

00:57:20.180 uh strong-minded people i think that we historically have been you know a race of um if we're going back

00:57:30.920 far enough in time um to the tribal days of the germanic and celtic and nordic peoples i think that we

00:57:40.640 in our natural state were uh uh basically um an aristocracy of equals in a lot of ways and uh that spirit

00:57:53.060 has manifested it's sort of been corrupted and still manifests as this individualism this uh sense

00:58:00.860 of um anti-government um anti-tyranny um resistance and uh we i think are the only people in the world

00:58:10.720 um who uh offer any kind of serious resistance to their plans um you know uh i i have nothing against

00:58:23.580 other races i have nothing against um you know i'm i'm i work with a lot of people of other races i've

00:58:31.500 grown up around them i i'm i was friends with them growing up and i i know people of all different

00:58:36.680 kinds of races but the honest truth is that the the average non-white person is way more malleable

00:58:46.860 they're way more subject to being controlled um and they're they're way less likely to be like

00:58:53.720 uh savvy to what's going on and willing to resist um so yeah white people had to be

00:59:02.860 a main target of of of this uh cabal that wants to rule the world yep so you're right absolutely right

00:59:11.940 hey i have one more by the way here look look at this one from dugan kind of interesting uh bringing

00:59:17.180 up evoking uh zbigny brzynski the old uh i mean he died here it was a couple years ago now uh still

00:59:23.660 has a daughter uh pushing a lot of propaganda on msnbc uh but uh dugan talking about how uh this all the

00:59:30.080 global chess uh piece here or the the chess game listen to this here uh chess board game i my my mission

00:59:38.720 is to help to mr brzynski to move the figures on the chess board there is no other option

00:59:45.700 no macron no uh nobody no no trump no no schultz please move the figures as i told you it's your

01:00:00.700 mission uh chess board game interesting i my my mission is to help to mr brzynski there we go go

01:00:09.720 ahead what do you make of that that's kind of interesting huh oh yeah that i mean he dugan

01:00:15.040 has more influence than than people think i i i do believe you know he's uh he's one of these

01:00:22.760 intellectuals that i think does does have some pull in in the elites so we have to take him seriously

01:00:29.660 but uh yep that's where all right so let's move on here in the in the order a little bit um

01:00:38.080 and talk about so we've had a kind of an attack really and that's what you're uh you kind of what

01:00:44.460 you're summarizing here really is uh on on on far-right groups in in russia to underline that

01:00:51.260 point more there's a couple of articles on this here from al jazeera the death of the russian far-right

01:00:55.500 how the kremlin destroyed the far-eyed in russia while backing it in the west interesting right

01:01:00.600 right yeah the more more evidence and there's there's other articles we could pull up about

01:01:05.780 specific uh so-called white nationalist leaders in russia that have been jailed that have been

01:01:12.620 persecuted by the russian government so you know that they're not the axis of of nationalists you know

01:01:19.500 these guys are uh 100 opposed to nationalism because they see russia as a multi-ethnic country

01:01:26.960 and and like dugan just expressed you know being a russian just means that you speak russian that you

01:01:33.480 appreciate their culture that you uh acquiesce to to their cultural norms and and whatnot so that's

01:01:42.580 and and that's also why they're one of the biggest uh importers of migrants in the world you know

01:01:48.380 in terms of of just numbers i think they accepted uh more migrants than just about any other country

01:01:54.820 in the world um over the last few years so and a lot of those migrants come from islam which uh ties

01:02:01.980 into other things that dugan has said about uh at at the core of traditional islam and traditional

01:02:08.460 christianity is the same truth um so yeah this is just more evidence more nails in the coffin

01:02:17.180 uh for people who think that russia is based and nationalistic and that idea i

01:02:23.620 should just be uh completely abandoned i don't know why how that's defensible at this point

01:02:30.480 yeah exactly uh people work is kind of more of a joke but it was funny because you know people can

01:02:36.460 criticize it in the west and look the other way uh when when putin says that i guess but but but it

01:02:41.040 was as it was a soldier recently was dying and then uh putin had a speech and said uh you know

01:02:45.420 you know evoke and i i am all these different groups we're this together you know i'm a lock

01:02:50.120 i'm a i'm a dagestani i'm a chechen i'm all these things i'm a tartar i'm a jew i'm an ossetian right

01:02:56.340 and then some people lined up cuomo speech right after this and and you know this is the same energy

01:03:02.340 here listen to this i am black i am gay i am disabled i am a woman i am a woman i forget what he

01:03:09.820 says after that it cuts off but it's all true it's all true that's right uh so that's kind of

01:03:16.000 funny how that uh how that works right again i mean uh look the point here is too that they have

01:03:22.280 their own aspirations their own agenda their their own their own their own things and there's an awful

01:03:27.580 lot of people that's projecting things upon that and making it something which is you know which

01:03:32.900 which it clearly is not and it's it's up to us to kind of objective objectively try to identify

01:03:37.980 what's going on uh what's happening over there and i've heard things that you said as well other

01:03:42.440 things like they have a they have a birthright problem just like the rest of the west does to

01:03:46.580 a certain extent uh sure as far as i know you know they have banned like you know propaganda against

01:03:52.740 uh you know uh aiming homosexuality towards kids and stuff like that and that that's certainly more

01:03:57.180 than the west currently is doing right uh but then there's other issues there's a lot of alcoholism

01:04:03.120 um this is i'm a little fuzzy on this but i've heard some people generally say that like yeah

01:04:08.940 you might have an elite kind of in russia like those are running things they're very you know

01:04:13.360 on the surface that's christian it's orthodox christianity most of the representatives in

01:04:17.620 government or higher oppositions they they tout this they talk about this that that's what we are

01:04:21.800 kind of thing but then under the surface there's still a lot of secularism and i'm not gonna say

01:04:26.720 atheism but a lot of people that are overall are disconnected from it look there's large segments

01:04:31.640 they're also orthodox but it's not this i hear sometimes from western commenters like everybody

01:04:36.280 runs to church there and everyone's super religious and super christian and that's why it's such a you

01:04:41.040 know great uh wonderful thing and a wonderful option compared to to the west but that might not

01:04:45.880 necessarily be true what do you know about that well um the idea that you know there's this big

01:04:53.280 resurgence of uh of christianity in russia um after decades and decades of official atheism by the

01:05:04.060 soviets and the actual like the complete eradication of the christian church in in soviet russia

01:05:10.880 um it's suspect to me you know that if you had this government that has this continuity with soviet

01:05:18.000 russia and soviet the soviet russian policy was officially atheism and they eradicated the christian

01:05:26.100 church then seeing some form of christianity re-emerging there um makes me think that it's

01:05:33.780 done um for a specific purpose with with new objectives in mind and that it's controlled now

01:05:41.200 um and you know i i think that going back to what dugan has said about the philosophy of

01:05:49.840 eurasianism and and his his whole uh understanding of religion and traditionalism as a whole um it could

01:05:56.920 be just another form of co-opted religion the same way that uh the the catholic church and protestantism

01:06:04.840 in the west is uh co-opted by the same international powers and that it's used to basically just

01:06:11.100 mind control people and pacify them and uh that you know that the ideas of traditionalism um i think

01:06:21.980 appeal to a lot of people in a reactionary way and so they want to use traditionalism uh they want to

01:06:29.540 dress things up as traditionalism while inserting at the roots of it sort of fundamental ideas that

01:06:38.600 subvert it and make it universalistic and and make it sort of this uh religion of of tolerance and

01:06:46.320 democracy and uh uh anti-racism anti-sexism these sorts of things so in a way of they call it

01:06:53.640 traditionalism at the same time as uh having it subvert a lot of the elements of traditional culture that

01:07:01.900 uh would create opposition to the the globalist agenda so that that's my take i i haven't gotten

01:07:11.220 into the study of the orthodox church in russia at this point but i know like you know you know e

01:07:18.660 michael jones he's a catholic right yeah um but he talks about how the eastern orthodox uh

01:07:25.920 how he can he has a lot in common with them is i've heard him say that maybe i'm not sure i've

01:07:33.520 actually heard him talk too much about the russian orthodox stuff i i just um um i i know his work on

01:07:40.440 uh on the on the west more and jewish influence and things like this but you could be correct uh

01:07:45.500 you could be correct very well i i could be mistaken too but the the the parallel that i'm trying to

01:07:52.020 establish here is someone like e michael jones who's a hardcore catholic who believes in the

01:07:56.580 the logos a word by the way that dugan uses as well um he has said the same exact thing as

01:08:04.900 dugan with regards to um uh michael jones has this there's a clip of him saying um that he would

01:08:16.140 rather have a nation something along these lines he'd rather have a nation of black christians than

01:08:21.980 uh pagan or atheist white people right something something along those lines so yeah it's the same

01:08:28.280 fundamental uh take on spirituality that we're all as long as you follow along with the the one true

01:08:36.820 religion you're good to go yeah exactly there yeah there's no recognition of uh race importance of

01:08:43.100 race or group belonging and stuff and it's always an external thing that come can come in and kind of

01:08:47.460 unify and in my view that would be artificial and maybe look maybe not to people that gen like

01:08:52.940 that actually 100 genuinely you know believe in something or whatever they might for a while be

01:08:58.580 able to look the other way but usually usually those societies don't they don't last you you can't keep

01:09:03.880 that throughout generations anyway you need something else and that's where you know that's

01:09:07.680 what we put emphasis um on on race ethnicity culture heritage there's this it's a combination of

01:09:13.500 things and and it's multiple people piece pieces to this that have to click for us to be able to

01:09:18.460 have a functioning society but to look completely the other way for race i think it's just uh foolish

01:09:23.860 and inaccurate uh as well right so in in the second part uh abalone i want to get into this issue a

01:09:29.000 little bit of basically you know russia and and the jews right all the oligarchs did he kick out all

01:09:33.940 the oligarchs what is what is the influence of them now is there a lot of jewish activism uh in russia

01:09:39.800 is it is it putin that's doing all of this and what's his relationship to this more more directly

01:09:45.580 you know kind of thing uh because that's an interesting question and and to see if it's like

01:09:49.680 is it a is it an elite that's controlling things there or is it just putin like the west says that

01:09:54.540 he's the he's the autocrat he's making all the decision it's kind of down to him right um what else

01:10:00.920 do you want to talk about before we run up the first segment because i want to make sure we get get

01:10:04.460 out some of the points that you do want to get out so we don't cut off too too soon here

01:10:07.540 uh i i suppose that that'd be a good thing to get into in the second second there's a lot to talk

01:10:14.160 about with russia and the jews you know the whole history like i mentioned earlier with the bolshevik

01:10:18.060 revolution and the the different bankers that were involved there and uh a lot of the work that was

01:10:23.740 done you know and a lot of the military deals that were done technical assistance from the west um

01:10:29.480 the the technical relationship between israel and russia is fascinating yep uh i mean israel is one of the

01:10:36.720 only countries in the world now that hasn't sanctioned russia uh which should tell you

01:10:41.040 something so yeah they're trying to ride that fine line i've noticed too right they're trying to be a

01:10:46.340 friend to the u.s obviously west because that's still a big cash cow uh you know for for israel

01:10:51.280 right so they can't openly oppose that but then at the same time there's this new coalition forming

01:10:56.640 right we have the one belt one road or the uh belt and road initiative as it's called which ties

01:11:01.340 also together you did this whole idea of the like eurasian power center kind of thing and israel seeks

01:11:06.900 to be a a node point in that and you know be like positioned where they are geographically that's an

01:11:12.180 important point in and of itself but they're riding that fine line where it's like no we're not we're

01:11:15.940 not going this way we're not going that way and then they're also been put in a position where

01:11:20.520 they're like a mediator now in the conflict and i could i could look i could i could definitely see

01:11:25.020 them coming in or or some political figure or something from israel to to bring peace right

01:11:31.500 being the peacemaker in this situation and and that will somehow you know uplift oh look at israel

01:11:36.020 they managed to do and stuff which takes us back to that kind of all the the prophecy a little bit

01:11:41.000 there of like the what was it the real and righteous united nations will be positioned in

01:11:45.820 in jerusalem in israel right and and that will be the seat of of uh you know political and uh moral i

01:11:52.260 think they say too religious political and moral power essentially yeah like those old medieval maps

01:11:57.480 that put jerusalem at the center of the whole world yeah yeah exactly right uh i guess last thing we can

01:12:02.460 mention is this guy pre goes in i think you call him right the wagner group that's another one of

01:12:07.440 those things because both sides as well here in this conflict they're calling each other nazis

01:12:12.440 no it's it's putin that's the nazi no it's the you know maybe not selensky that i don't think they

01:12:17.440 can get away with that one calling selensky a nazi uh but they look at azov and some of these other

01:12:21.700 groups right uh but uh yeah yevgeny prigozini he's called putin's chef uh also of uh of jewish

01:12:29.160 descent uh in uh in russia and you linked up this article here too a new group uh of four news

01:12:34.560 outlets called patriot identified prigozini as chairman of its board of trustees says he's also

01:12:39.900 been called as i said there putin's chef what do you know about this guy uh he's he's the um

01:12:47.180 the jewish oligarch behind the uh the internet research agency which was big during you know the

01:12:54.400 the trump campaigns and whatnot where they were considered the kremlin's troll factory where they

01:13:01.020 would uh get involved in all kinds of online discussions and try to steer and influence uh

01:13:07.040 online discussion to to cause chaos to cause more division to play right into the duganistic

01:13:14.780 you know uh chaos uh theory or you know chaotic injection of uh extremism into the west and um

01:13:25.940 uh he i think is is just a great example of of uh the kremlin having this direct influence and i'm sure

01:13:36.220 this video will probably get comments that that could have been made by russian trolls that uh

01:13:43.920 uh uh were were paid by this kind of this kind of figure so um well i don't know yeah thank you

01:13:50.860 for watching you're showing some pictures here that i'm i'm not familiar with this is just

01:13:54.560 you know because he's part of the he's part of the funding the wagner group right so that's like

01:13:59.520 another they're called a another nazi so-called nazi outlet but they're from the like russian

01:14:04.800 boot putin-based uh gang of of nazis right but it's very fascinating to me still like that

01:14:09.620 from kolomoisky in ukraine right of as of and yes he's not currently as far as i understand the

01:14:14.760 situation currently funding them and giving them money and so forth but he seeded he seeded a lot

01:14:19.760 of money that it's specific for the right sector uh and that there's basically uh jews coming in and

01:14:25.900 and and funding nazi groups in in both countries and now look at what's happening it'd be a huge clash

01:14:30.700 everybody can blame the nazism no you're the nazi no you're a nazi let's go to war and let's kill each

01:14:35.480 other and then people don't look up at the very top of the pyramid as usual uh and the up fighting

01:14:40.580 we have another brother's war on our hands where both ukrainians and russians are going to be the

01:14:44.540 ones suffering primarily because of this yeah well and even if uh the the banker you mentioned who

01:14:51.980 who funded uh as off uh kolomins kolomoisky um even if he's not the the main funder of it at

01:14:59.800 the moment the the ukraine government is the main funder of it at the moment and the president of

01:15:04.960 the ukrainian government is this gay jewish actor uh yeah zionist you know it's like it's crazy it's

01:15:11.960 how do you i can't see this thing we could get into this more detail in the second part but it's like

01:15:16.580 i can't i can't this it's just so bizarre this whole equation to me i'm trying i'm genuinely trying

01:15:22.720 to just figure it out and see what the motivations are and supposedly if they are nazis or whatever

01:15:27.180 national socialist what's this uh all of a sudden they're perfectly fine working with and for jewish

01:15:32.780 interests and things and i i just don't get it look i it's just being honest i don't understand

01:15:36.900 i mean i know israel's making buku bucks uh on this entire uh conflict you know they're if you type in

01:15:47.360 like uh israel benefits from ukrainian conflict some uh israeli military contractor company stocks have

01:15:56.780 been going up like crazy and they're funding both sides and that's that they're they're making

01:16:03.420 money on both sides but i don't think that's the main motivation but yeah but if you can if you can

01:16:08.620 ruin nations and have people killed while you're making money on it that's uh it's not a bad idea

01:16:13.520 right yeah i look i saw another thing too and i'm looking for the screenshots now someone alerted me to

01:16:20.300 this here it is right here this is interesting right i think of russia then you know a big oil and gas

01:16:25.900 provider right to europe and and we've had a people in the among the elites talking about how

01:16:30.160 they want to have a cyber attack or that our electric grid goes down or all of a sudden they

01:16:34.640 don't want to drive you know gas powered uh vehicles anymore they want electric and all this kind of

01:16:39.760 stuff right this plays perfectly into that with the sanctions now and the the inability then for even

01:16:45.380 europe to to import gas putin later said he wanted rubles purchased for the gas but someone sent me

01:16:51.180 these screenshots here uh israel most european request for gas as russia threatens to cut eu

01:16:56.440 supplies um chevron ceo says israel gas pipeline could supply europe amid crisis hmm interesting so

01:17:04.360 they're positioning themselves as kind of a energy provider for europe as well isn't that interesting

01:17:09.480 right as they just happens to benefit them for some reason amazing fantastic but anyway we have a lot

01:17:14.000 more to talk about in the second and i don't want to keep you too long uh today so we should uh wrap up

01:17:18.420 the first segment plug your stuff promote uh where people can find you your youtube channel odyssey

01:17:23.320 telegram twitter all that stuff yeah luckily i'm still up on youtube so go to apollonian germ on

01:17:29.380 youtube and check out my videos i've been making videos for years now there's a lot in the back

01:17:33.880 catalog that i think is interesting um gosh you know the one thing i forgot to mention earlier that

01:17:38.700 i think is fascinating that we could probably talk about in the second segment is uh the influence

01:17:44.440 of unesco and the international baccalaureate in russian education you start to wonder why

01:17:50.200 why putin is so anti-nationalistic why they see their country as being multi-ethnic and uh so tolerant

01:17:57.320 and democratic and all that well it comes from the influence of unesco uh at the top level of the

01:18:04.120 russian universities uh top top tier russian universities have these programs um and the history

01:18:10.020 of unesco you know if you know anything about that you know that they're uh one of the core

01:18:16.040 motivators of of globo homo and and globalism as a whole so that's something that can definitely

01:18:23.420 i completely forgot about that that's a fascinating aspect of the entire conversation uh of russia being

01:18:28.920 anti-nationalistic but anyway yeah yeah fantastic we have the links by the way so we'll show those uh

01:18:34.060 in the second part but uh yeah go ahead tell your twitter as well we're showing that

01:18:37.860 twitter right there telegram uh i've been posting there a lot more i used to have a discord but

01:18:42.480 discord keeps on shutting you down yeah um so that's that's my main my main lines and i'm i'm very uh

01:18:53.320 interactive with people i'm i'm very uh uh reachable you know if you send me a message i will respond uh i

01:19:01.520 i don't want to like um hide behind my online persona i feel like i don't even have a persona

01:19:08.900 i know a lot of people who make content and have some any degree of popularity kind of develop a

01:19:14.760 persona but that's not me so if you want to have a conversation reach out and i'll talk to you so uh

01:19:19.920 yeah i'm just a tow truck driver that likes to to research the history of the uh occult elite and

01:19:25.760 and their mysticism and uh the conspiracies that that control our world so thanks for having me

01:19:32.720 yeah great conversation yeah you're doing a great job at it so stay with us we're going to be right

01:19:37.000 back with uh part two everybody we'll have all the links by the way to apollonian germs uh social media

01:19:41.620 channels and so forth so you can find them uh check them out down below but we'll be right back in

01:19:46.200 part two okay so stay tuned here for the second part together with apollonian germ we're going to get

01:19:53.360 into uh well forbidden territory i guess and talk about putin his relation to uh jewish oligarchs

01:19:59.320 uh what's their influence over there is this all of this that's happening putin's doing is it his uh

01:20:05.140 you know him as a person that is personally invested in this and this is what he wants

01:20:10.900 or is he being controlled by other forces uh is he being used right there's all these questions that

01:20:15.460 we have what's the influence over putin of groups like uh chabad for example right there's other

01:20:20.440 groups as well we've talked about some of the personalities like lazar right is one of them

01:20:24.080 and we have some clips as well that we're going to play uh that demonstrates this that there's

01:20:28.300 seems to be more uh going on here than we're led on to believe so please join us uh in the second

01:20:34.280 part if you want to hear more from uh apollonian germ and myself as we discuss this and show some

01:20:39.680 clips and look at articles that unline this and we'll also get to the unesco thing that he mentioned

01:20:43.800 at the end here of segment one as well by the way uh that's very interesting right i mean remember

01:20:48.580 we played a clip with um klaus schwab mentioning that putin was a young global leader uh right but

01:20:54.320 then you know and putin used to be on the world economic forum website but then when the invasion

01:20:58.260 happened they took him down and stuff so people are saying that that's proof that he's not part of

01:21:02.100 the of the globalist elite he's out uh he's on his own he's he's an op he's opposing it and so forth

01:21:08.220 right uh but again apollonian germ's point here uh is basically that no he's he's fulfilling a role

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Red Ice TV - April 01, 2022

Is Russia Anti-Globalist？ What's Putin's Objective？ - Apollonian Germ

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