Red Ice TV - Israel Is In A Bind, Fake Anti-Semitism & Jewish Censorship Groups Panicking - Ron Unz

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00:01:00.000 Hey, great to be here.

00:01:01.520 Excellent. Good to see you.

00:01:03.080 So, of course, it's a big topic, and I kind of want to go through at least the beginning, all of the history here of what we're dealing with when it comes to Israel and Gaza.

00:01:11.040 This goes back way further than October 7th.

00:01:13.700 But we had some voices in the media kind of pretending that this really just out of nowhere on October 7th, you know, Hamas attacked and it was completely out of the blue or whatnot, right?

00:01:23.760 We have a long history here as a sort of land theft and kind of a campaign really against the Palestinians in the region. 0.69

00:01:29.600 But we've been offered, I'd say, very, very small scale evidence of some of the claims from Israel's side, or at least there is evidence.

00:01:40.740 I'm not trying to say there's none.

00:01:42.000 There's something happened, obviously.

00:01:43.760 But we had these kind of embellished claims, I'd say, of, you know, 40 beheaded babies.

00:01:48.400 You had the children that had been put in ovens, etc.

00:01:53.160 There was other claims as well that seemed exaggerated.

00:01:55.580 I'm wondering, like, do they really have to do this?

00:01:57.540 Or if they do have it, can they pretend it?

00:01:59.580 Can they not, you know, show some of that, right?

00:02:02.500 Because you had this special screening as well for the media, which was kind of interesting,

00:02:07.840 where Israel invited certain reporters to view some of the footage.

00:02:12.760 And then kind of by third hand or like second hand, these reporters then were kind of told to go out and report on what they saw on the news.

00:02:19.840 And we had one British journalist, Owen Jones, just the other day that kind of revealed that some of the things that they claimed they saw in the footage,

00:02:27.140 they didn't actually see, such as the rapes and things like this.

00:02:30.040 So that was kind of a contradiction in and of itself as well there.

00:02:33.140 But anyway, we have had some testimony from Israelis as well, some of them living in these kibbutzes that were attacked and things like that.

00:02:40.640 And a lot of radio interviews with some of these people.

00:02:43.120 We've played a couple on the show throughout the last few months here, really.

00:02:46.560 And it looks to me, Ron, that Israel, and even this is true for some military accounts as well,

00:02:53.580 seem to have just kind of fired in some cases indiscriminately at some of these kibbutzes. 0.76

00:02:58.460 And I'm not saying the majority maybe of people that they claim Israelis that died on October 7th were from the military.

00:03:04.620 But in the wake of that, they seem to have actually definitely increased that number.

00:03:09.440 So what do you say of that in terms of like how Israel have managed this conflict so far?

00:03:14.860 Well, that's certainly true.

00:03:16.940 And even the raw numbers changed fairly dramatically.

00:03:20.220 In other words, for nearly a month, the figure had been 1,400 Israelis who'd been killed by the Hamas in the Hamas attack.

00:03:27.920 And then suddenly, I'd actually been a bit skeptical of that number, you know,

00:03:31.840 since there was quite a lot of evidence that some of the bodies of the alleged victims were actually Hamas militants

00:03:39.340 who'd been killed by the Israeli forces and were misclassified as Israeli victims.

00:03:45.220 And, you know, yet after a month of the 1,400 figure being almost universally presented everywhere in the media,

00:03:52.140 they suddenly sharply reduced it to 1,200.

00:03:54.860 So in other words, you know, the Israeli government has admitted that their initial figures were wrong for really probably three or four weeks.

00:04:02.500 Now, aside from that, one of the key issues is how many of the unarmed civilian victims were actually killed by Israeli military forces rather than by the Hamas attackers.

00:04:15.140 And the whole thing about it is there's quite a lot, you know, just as you mentioned,

00:04:19.400 there's quite a lot of firsthand testimony by some of the individual survivors of the attack

00:04:25.080 that most of the Israeli victims, at least in their vicinity, were killed by tank fire or hellfire missiles by the Israeli forces when they attacked the militants.

00:04:37.980 Now, Israel, for about 40 years now, has had a very controversial policy called the Hannibal Directive,

00:04:46.660 which it's documented, anybody can check it.

00:04:49.100 The Israelis in the past had a situation where when one or two or three Israeli soldiers were captured by Hamas or by other Palestinian militants,

00:05:00.160 they eventually were then traded for large numbers of Palestinians imprisoned by the Israelis.

00:05:06.340 And so for that reason, Israel adopted a new policy, I think it was in 1984, 1986,

00:05:12.860 that if any Israeli were captured by a Palestinian militant and couldn't be easily rescued,

00:05:22.100 it was necessary for the Israeli and the militants of necessary to all be killed by the Israeli forces.

00:05:28.960 In other words, it was utterly important that no Israeli captives ever be successfully taken by Palestinian militants. 0.92

00:05:38.560 So in this case, the evidence seems to be that in some of the cases, for example,

00:05:43.500 with the kibbutzim that were taken over by Palestinian militants,

00:05:47.640 the Israeli forces realized that they would have a very difficult time rescuing any of the hostages,

00:05:53.680 you know, without suffering very heavy casualties themselves.

00:05:57.140 So after a few hours of indecision, they finally decided to use tank fire and Apache hellfire missiles 0.64

00:06:05.820 to basically blast the buildings and kill everybody.

00:06:09.520 And that's been reported by a few of the very few surviving hostages. 0.95

00:06:15.460 One of the kibbutzim that, you know, they're basically, 0.99

00:06:18.520 you're probably talking about that radio testimony of one of the 12 captives who was taken,

00:06:24.940 who ended up surviving, explaining how the attacks from the Israeli forces ended up killing everybody in the crossfire.

00:06:32.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:06:33.180 Also, there's a great deal of visual evidence,

00:06:35.860 because when you look at the buildings, for example, in the kibbutzim that have been destroyed,

00:06:41.060 those buildings clearly were destroyed by tank fire or missile fire.

00:06:46.300 In other words, high explosive attacks rather than the small arms that the Palestinian militants had.

00:06:52.840 So in other words, you know, it's very clear that they were destroyed by missiles or tank fire

00:06:57.140 rather than by the bullets or, you know, whatever hand grenades that the Palestinians would have had. 0.97

00:07:02.320 And in fact, you know, again, I mean, the Israelis basically took foreign journalists around to video the scenes of devastation.

00:07:10.500 It's clear the buildings were destroyed by those sorts of high explosive attacks.

00:07:14.680 Also, and I think you're showing on your screen right now, there's footage of Apache helicopters.

00:07:21.220 Yeah.

00:07:21.900 Basically blasting any of the cars in the vicinity of the dance festival,

00:07:28.600 because they simply couldn't distinguish between the Palestinian militants and anybody else.

00:07:33.580 And they basically, especially in the first few hours after the attack, the attack was so surprising and so shocking.

00:07:40.860 And the Israelis were taken by surprise that they basically reacted in a very trigger happy sort of way. 0.85

00:07:47.260 And in fact, there's the testimony of one of the helicopter pilots saying that they had a very difficult time distinguishing the militants from Israeli civilians.

00:07:55.780 And so they basically shouted anything that moved.

00:07:58.980 And in fact, afterwards, there are scenes that were shown of something like 100 or 150 burned out Israeli civilian vehicles

00:08:09.900 that clearly had been destroyed by hellfire missiles, not by anything that militants had.

00:08:15.620 And in fact, Max Blumenthal, in some of his podcasts, ended up showing the scenes of some of the devastation

00:08:22.080 and saying it looked exactly like the same scenes of hellfire missile damage in Gaza or in other parts of the Palestine area.

00:08:31.780 So in other words, it's very clear that at least many of the Israeli hostages were killed by the Israeli forces

00:08:40.040 that simply gave up on rescuing them.

00:08:42.880 So, you know, for that reason, it's difficult to say exactly how many individual civilians were killed by Hamas

00:08:50.360 and how many were killed by the Israeli military once it got involved.

00:08:54.840 But it's quite possible that a majority, possibly even a large majority of the unarmed Israeli civilians who died,

00:09:04.900 died at the hands of their own forces.

00:09:06.760 And in fact, one piece of evidence supporting that is that there are the firsthand eyewitness testimony

00:09:13.240 of some of the individual surviving hostages who explained that they really were treated quite respectfully.

00:09:20.940 They certainly weren't, you know, shot or killed by, you know, because, I mean,

00:09:25.180 they were intended to be hostages, to be exchanged for the thousands of Palestinians 0.89

00:09:30.220 currently held in Israeli jails and prisons.

00:09:33.120 And so, you know, for that reason, it's difficult to say what the exact numbers were.

00:09:37.900 But another factor also is that a certain number of the Israeli civilians involved

00:09:42.900 obviously were reservists and probably were armed and in some cases were said

00:09:48.860 to have engaged in shootouts with the Hamas militants.

00:09:52.160 So if we're talking about unarmed Israeli civilians killed by Hamas,

00:09:57.500 the numbers might be as low as a couple of hundred, possibly even low as 100 out of the 1,200 total Israeli victims.

00:10:06.400 Probably half of them or more were either Israeli military forces or Israeli police.

00:10:12.780 For example, there was that one police station close to the Gaza border that was seized by Hamas

00:10:18.200 and then blasted by the Israeli forces, killing all of the prisoners that had been taken among the police

00:10:25.280 and also the Hamas militants.

00:10:27.400 And so, you know, for that reason, it's very unlikely that the numbers of Israeli civilians killed by Hamas

00:10:34.000 are anything remotely as high as 600 or 700.

00:10:38.420 It's probably more like a couple of hundred, maybe even as low as 100.

00:10:42.340 And so, you know, that simply emphasized the tremendously disproportionate nature

00:10:47.320 of the Israeli attack on Gaza in retaliation.

00:10:51.100 Because, you know, we're talking about a situation where probably at least close to 16,000 individual identified victims

00:10:59.320 have been found and named by the Hamas, by the Gaza Health Ministry.

00:11:05.860 But there are thousands of other Gazan civilians probably buried under the rubble.

00:11:11.580 And virtually all of the Hamas casualties have been civilians.

00:11:15.440 And the reason that's easy to know that is that 70% of all the victims have been women or children.

00:11:22.400 And 70% of Gaza's population roughly is women and children.

00:11:27.040 So, you know, Hamas itself is entirely male.

00:11:29.580 And so if a substantial fraction of the victims in Gaza had been Hamas militants,

00:11:36.660 then the number of men who'd been killed would be much higher than it is.

00:11:40.220 So it seems very clearly indiscriminate mass bombings and missile attacks.

00:11:46.360 And, you know, it's clearly one of the worst slaughters of helpless civilians in modern times.

00:11:52.480 And probably by far the worst televised slaughter of such civilians to take place in the history of the world.

00:12:00.080 Yeah, I want to talk about kind of the optics, I guess, of that and why Israel seems to be losing that.

00:12:04.740 But you mentioned the names.

00:12:06.000 I remember, I can't find the source now, maybe I'll find it in post, but it was a wall of names, right?

00:12:12.360 It was 1,400 or something like that.

00:12:14.540 And some people actually went through and highlighted, as you said, the colonels and the police officers and, you know, people like that.

00:12:20.140 And it was like, I think, 600 or so names someone said, which is, you know, almost about half or something like that,

00:12:26.740 that were actually part of that.

00:12:28.280 But the question is, you mentioned the Hannibal directive and these kinds of things there.

00:12:33.100 Where, first of all, is this that incompetence or is it just that then they can kind of just rack up the numbers and they're turning,

00:12:40.820 even though it's not even collateral damage, this is, you know, friendly fire, whatever you want to call it, essentially, right?

00:12:47.780 They're shooting their own.

00:12:49.080 But they can still use that to rack up the numbers and look at how many people died because of this, right?

00:12:55.000 Because that's, regardless, that's how Israel ended up using it, right? 0.88

00:12:57.840 Wasn't it?

00:12:58.160 Right.

00:12:58.620 I'm not sure if there really was intention that way.

00:13:01.760 In other words, if they could have easily rescued the hostages, I think they would have done so.

00:13:06.820 You know, I mean, Israeli public opinion would be incredibly angry.

00:13:11.620 I mean, there would be a gigantic backlash if it were felt they deliberately killed the Israeli civilians simply to increase the number of victims.

00:13:19.100 I mean, the truth is the Hamas militants were well entrenched in the buildings on the kibbutz, and the Israeli forces would have probably suffered serious casualties if they tried to go in after them and probably would have failed anyway.

00:13:33.460 And the hostages probably would have mostly been killed.

00:13:35.300 So, you know, under those circumstances, they simply decided the best approach was simply to blast everything with tank fire, tank cannon fire, and with Apache Hellfire missiles.

00:13:46.820 And certainly early on, I mean, a large fraction of the civilians killed obviously were individuals who'd been at the dance festival.

00:13:55.900 Yeah.

00:13:56.320 Were blasted in the cars.

00:13:57.740 And there, I think it was simply that as one of the helicopter pilots admitted, they simply had no idea which cars were only occupied by Israeli civilians, which were filled with Hamas militants, and which were filled with Hamas militants and Israeli captives.

00:14:15.900 So, I mean, they basically just shot anything that moved.

00:14:20.000 And I mean, the thing about it is, you know, the attack was so shocking, and Israel was taken by surprise.

00:14:25.520 In other words, I mean, some of Israel's best military units suffered very heavy casualties, unexpectedly heavy casualties, compared to, by all accounts, what Hamas had thought that they would succeed in doing. 0.81

00:14:38.660 And so, under those circumstances, with so many Israeli troops having been killed, with bases having been overrun, I mean, the Israelis obviously panicked.

00:14:47.800 And their Apache helicopters just blasted anything they thought might be a Hamas unit, and killed a lot of Israelis in the process.

00:14:58.860 What do you make of the warning from Egypt early on?

00:15:02.320 There are some reporting in the Times of Israel that intelligence officials in Egypt says Israel ignored repeated warnings of something big.

00:15:10.620 I'm still trying to piece that together, like they have supposedly such great intelligence services, and they have everything is monitored, the walls essentially around Gaza and all that.

00:15:21.280 It's like one of the most surveilled areas in the world, I believe.

00:15:24.480 And here an Egyptian official said, which apparently often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about something big, but they hadn't elaborated on it.

00:15:35.960 And then some of the suggestions was that, well, Netanyahu, they looked the other way.

00:15:40.360 Maybe it was hubris, maybe they thought, ah, they'll never do anything, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:44.060 But regardless, there seemed to have been warnings, but it was ignored, but then they were still caught by surprise.

00:15:50.960 How do you piece this together? Is there any contradictions here in your opinion?

00:15:53.900 I think the emphasis on those warnings from Egypt probably is more than it should be, unless more information comes out.

00:16:00.680 In other words, you know, it's unclear, for example, it's quite possible that the Egyptians had warned of Hamas doing something many times in the past.

00:16:09.900 You know, there's the old question of crying wolf.

00:16:11.760 In other words, without specific warnings on the nature of the attack, the size of the attack, the timing of the attack, simply saying that they suspected Hamas was up to something big.

00:16:22.180 You know, if they issued half a dozen previous warnings over the last year or two, and nothing had ever happened, the Israelis obviously would have ignored it. 0.78

00:16:31.180 And also, I mean, Israel prides itself on having one of the world's best intelligence services.

00:16:37.200 You know, having the sort of service that, you know, I mean, the notion of the Egyptians knowing something about what was going on in heavily surveilled Gaza that the Israelis wouldn't know is probably something the Israelis would disregard it.

00:16:51.720 Now, what's interesting is just in the last couple of days, a much more detailed account has come out in the Israeli press saying that what amounted to a very detailed description of exactly what happened had come to the attention of the Israeli authorities a year before, and it was dismissed by the Israeli government.

00:17:13.580 In other words, for apparently a year, the Israelis had had what amounted to, you know, exactly this sort of plan.

00:17:20.160 In other words, the Israeli authorities apparently regarded the planned Hamas attack as being so large, so grandiose, that they were sure it was beyond their resources, that Hamas was basically bluffing.

00:17:34.160 And so, you know, it went up the chain of command and was totally ignored.

00:17:37.100 And so, you know, basically, if Israel had disregarded a very detailed intelligence attack from their own local people on the scene for a year, and nothing had happened during that year, it's very easy to imagine that if then Egypt came up with some sort of vague warning about Hamas planning something in the near future, the Israelis would then disregard it.

00:18:02.420 And, you know, I mean, the whole thing is, the Israelis had simply made a sort of intelligence decision that Hamas had given up on any sort of attack.

00:18:12.220 I mean, there'd been no major breakout of Hamas for years.

00:18:16.200 Hamas, they felt, had basically agreed, had, you know, expressed its willingness to avoid any confrontation with Israel in return for some of these work permits, so that, you know, a large number of Gazans could work in Israel.

00:18:29.360 And that was sort of the intelligence decision, the ruling, that was made at the very high level.

00:18:36.820 So, you know, then when these reports came out a year before on all the training evidence that Hamas was training for something, the Israeli authorities had just ignored it at the time.

00:18:48.260 And a year had gone by, Hamas had done absolutely nothing.

00:18:51.260 And that convinced the Israeli authorities that they'd been right for a year. 0.99

00:18:55.640 And so that's why I think they were so taken by surprise when this huge attack happened.

00:19:00.860 Now, it's perfectly possible that they might have suspected that at some point Hamas would launch a raid, you know, a dozen militants trying to break through the fence, maybe taking a couple of Israelis hostage.

00:19:12.700 But, I mean, that's the sort of thing that they felt that they could very easily cope with.

00:19:17.920 And, you know, even if they suspected something like that might be in the works, what actually happened was a hundred times larger.

00:19:26.140 It was so different in magnitude, it was different in kind.

00:19:30.000 And, I mean, basically, the Hamas militants were able to use very innovative tactics, their drones to disable the cell phone towers that controlled the Israeli surveillance machinery, disable the automatic firing machine guns.

00:19:46.920 I mean, basically, they used tactics that the Israelis had not expected in ways that they had not expected. 0.74

00:19:53.440 And the size of the attack, 1,500 militants breaking through the fence in so many different places, was obviously something totally beyond any Israeli expectations.

00:20:04.520 And that's why the Israelis were so panicked initially.

00:20:07.580 Now, one reason I'm very skeptical of some of these conspiracy theories floating around, that this was a deliberate allowance to have it happen on the part of someone like Netanyahu,

00:20:19.880 is that, you know, everybody agrees that Netanyahu's political life is over.

00:20:25.380 I mean, his popularity in Israel, I think, is now below single digits.

00:20:29.060 I think it's down to like 5% approval.

00:20:31.900 So, in other words, Netanyahu's career has been destroyed.

00:20:35.320 And this was the greatest military disaster in 50 years of Israeli history.

00:20:41.560 Not only that, but the fact that it occurred despite Israel having allegedly such effective intelligence machinery, surveillance machinery, tremendously effective Mossad, Shinbeth, Unit 8200 Intelligence Services,

00:20:57.820 has destroyed the reputation of Israel for, you know, basically its effectiveness. 0.64

00:21:04.280 And, I mean, that's something it would take Israel a very long time to recover.

00:21:09.000 Bombing the helpless civilians of Gaza does not repair the damage done to the credibility of the Israeli military and the credibility of the Israeli intelligence services.

00:21:21.140 Or Israel in and of itself, right?

00:21:23.120 Exactly, exactly.

00:21:24.080 Which is interesting.

00:21:25.200 Because, you know, part of me is like, okay, well, you know, regardless of how this exactly panned out and stuff like that,

00:21:30.400 and this is, you know, fog of war, it's very difficult to know.

00:21:33.680 There's a lot of, well, you know, supposedly, or they probably did this, or, you know, this is what one source has said, etc.

00:21:39.480 A lot of that, as always, right?

00:21:41.100 So, it's hard to kind of discern.

00:21:42.800 But regardless, I was like, well, they're obviously wanting to use this in some kind of capacity.

00:21:48.460 Maybe something they've always wanted to do, which was to really root out Hamas and go into Gaza. 0.56

00:21:53.960 And, I mean, we're seeing the cascading effect of this now.

00:21:56.380 We'll talk more about this later here.

00:21:57.500 But, like, now Europe and America are expected to take in all these Palestinians and so forth. 0.99

00:22:02.840 And I think even if they see this is bad optically or whatever, they kind of have to move.

00:22:08.200 You know what I mean?

00:22:08.580 They're just like, well, this is one chance we have.

00:22:11.220 Let's do it.

00:22:12.040 That's how I see it anyway.

00:22:13.080 And if they could get their way, they would probably just clear Gaza out of the Palestinian population altogether and just annex it, to be honest. 0.98

00:22:19.860 What do you think?

00:22:20.860 Oh, sure.

00:22:21.240 But, I mean, you know, part of it also is simply that Netanyahu's interests are desperately trying to stay in office as long as power is possible.

00:22:30.740 I mean, his approval rating is so low.

00:22:32.720 Once the conflict ends, once the fighting ends, he's a political goner.

00:22:37.080 And the investigations, as they come out with these facts, that, you know, Israel had pretty much the entire plan reported from their local people on the ground for a year and did nothing, never alerted their people, never took proper action.

00:22:53.120 I mean, that will further damage Netanyahu's position.

00:22:55.720 So I think what Netanyahu might be doing, in effect, is rolling the dice.

00:23:00.320 In other words, if he can use this opportunity, this disaster, as an opportunity to clear the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank, he might hope that sort of strategic generational victory would be enough to salvage his reputation among the hardline voters who are his base. 0.96

00:23:21.600 I doubt that would be the case, but, I mean, that's basically his one chance.

00:23:25.580 And Netanyahu knows perfectly well that once, basically, he's out of office, he's probably in prison for the rest of his life.

00:23:33.560 I mean, the tremendous hostility of half of Israel's population towards him because of, you know, all of the corruption scandals around him probably mean it's the end of his career and also the end of his freedom.

00:23:45.360 So while I certainly doubt that he allowed this to happen deliberately, allowed this huge military disaster to happen deliberately, he certainly is desperate to keep the fighting going as long as possible, to basically stay out of prison.

00:24:01.100 So there is a benefit to him, regardless, right?

00:24:04.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:04.980 So what does this say, just quickly here maybe, about the, then basically the military, Israeli military intelligence and thing, it's not kind of the apparatus that we've been led to believe that it is?

00:24:15.200 Is that one of the conclusions to?

00:24:16.860 Oh, absolutely.

00:24:17.580 I mean, basically, you know, most people around the world, probably whether supportive of Israel, hostile of Israel, would have agreed that Israel, the Mossad, you know, at 8200, it's probably among the world's best intelligence services, certainly one of the two or three best.

00:24:34.340 And it's one thing, for example, if they fell down on the job on something in another part of the world, but for them to have been taken totally by surprise on their own doorstep and lose hundreds of their own military men in a Hamas attack is just a disastrous blow to Israel's reputation. 0.51

00:24:53.900 In other words, why would someone buy Israeli surveillance technology if they've seen that it's failed on their own doorstep, where they had every access, you know, drone footage, everything, you know, to be able to see what was going on in Gaza.

00:25:09.220 So, I mean, overall, it's a huge, huge setback, I think, to Israel's reputation.

00:25:16.360 And, you know, again, if it leads to a wider war and brings in Hezbollah, brings in possibly Iran, brings in even possibly Turkey, I mean, the end result of that is quite possibly the destruction of Israel.

00:25:30.080 And so, you know, it's the sort of thing, you can imagine Netanyahu rolling the dice and simply risking everything in hopes of salvaging his own reputation and staying out of prison.

00:25:42.300 But taking those sorts of risks as an individual are very different than taking those sorts of risks for a country.

00:25:48.660 So I just find it extremely doubtful that there was any sort of conspiratorial plan on the part of the Israeli security forces to let this happen.

00:25:58.480 I mean, for one thing is, there are certainly a lot of reports that large segments of Mossad and the other security forces are very hostile to Netanyahu.

00:26:07.780 In fact, there were some reports they were organizing the demonstrations against Netanyahu to try to drive him from office.

00:26:14.660 So if there was any even slight evidence that Netanyahu deliberately allowed this attack to take place,

00:26:22.900 I think there would have been massive leaks and Netanyahu would have been driven from office immediately.

00:26:29.940 So, you know, it's one thing, for example, for everybody to admit that they made a terrible mistake.

00:26:35.140 You know, Netanyahu, the intelligence services, the military, that they were caught napping, that they failed on the job.

00:26:42.020 But I mean, that's very different than anybody arguing that it was deliberately done by anybody,

00:26:47.840 either in the intelligence services or on the other side with Netanyahu.

00:26:52.580 So, you know, again, I'm just very skeptical of those sorts of conspiratorial theories.

00:26:57.160 There's just a lot of incompetence.

00:26:58.920 In fact, this is exactly what happened almost 50 years ago to the day with the Yom Kippur War,

00:27:05.560 where the Egyptians, again, stole a march on the Israelis, took the Israeli forces by surprise,

00:27:10.780 and gained a lot of territory and successes before the Israelis were able to mobilize and then, you know, restore an even playing field.

00:27:19.920 So, I mean, the whole thing about it is Israel's leaders and Israel's military are notoriously arrogant

00:27:27.520 and basically feeling that, you know, they have nothing to fear from a ragtag band of underfinanced militants in Gaza.

00:27:37.760 And so, I mean, basically, they simply didn't believe that there was any risk from them.

00:27:42.260 And they were taken by surprise.

00:27:44.160 And they certainly never expected that some of their cracked military units would suffer hundreds of losses

00:27:50.340 at the hands of lightly armed militants of Hamas.

00:27:54.460 I mean, I think the Israelis lost more soldiers in basically the first 24 hours

00:28:01.220 than they lost in nearly the previous 50 years combined, all the previous wars combined,

00:28:07.640 or the numbers are very comparable.

00:28:09.200 So, you know, 24 hours versus 50 years.

00:28:12.240 And again, it shows, you know, the tremendous vulnerability of a military

00:28:17.300 if it basically doesn't take its opponent seriously.

00:28:19.820 I mean, also, for example, when they overran the bases,

00:28:23.000 Hump supposedly said that, you know, the bases nearby, the military bases,

00:28:28.120 the sentries were asleep or not on duty.

00:28:31.960 They were easy to overrun.

00:28:34.160 Hamas was very surprised that they were able to overrun the bases so easily. 0.95

00:28:39.120 And then, for example, the general at one of the bases

00:28:41.200 ended up then hiding in a blast-proof cellar 0.95

00:28:44.580 and calling in airstrikes to kill all of the militants 0.98

00:28:49.580 and the prisoners of his own men that they helped, 1.00

00:28:52.800 just blasting the base.

00:28:54.520 And, I mean, that's not the sort of thing you do

00:28:56.780 unless you're completely taken by surprise.

00:28:59.680 And so, I mean, in fact, the Hamas militants got much farther inside Israel

00:29:05.000 than they had expected or anybody expected.

00:29:07.620 In fact, there were also hundreds of ordinary Gazans

00:29:10.520 who then used that opportunity to go into Israel and launch attacks as well.

00:29:16.220 I mean, I think it was probably 1,500 Hamas militants in the actual attack,

00:29:21.100 and there were another 1,000 or 1,500 ordinary Gazans

00:29:25.000 who used the opportunity, used the holes in the fences

00:29:28.160 as a way to attack Israel after all the years 0.93

00:29:31.040 that they'd suffered at the hands of the Israeli forces.

00:29:34.960 Yeah, I mean, I'll say this.

00:29:36.080 They've grown up like that in Gaza. 1.00

00:29:40.420 Some of these kids, you know,

00:29:42.400 this is how they lived all their life.

00:29:45.020 They've trained for these kinds of things.

00:29:46.460 I mean, it's not really historic, you know, historic comparative,

00:29:49.360 but it's like, you know, when America comes to, you know,

00:29:51.560 fight the Viet Cong or something, like, you know what I mean?

00:29:53.480 They are vastly less technology, less arms and things like that,

00:29:57.680 but they're much more cunning.

00:29:59.140 They know their terrain.

00:30:00.020 They know what to do in a different way.

00:30:01.580 So that's definitely understandable.

00:30:03.680 Now, I wanted to, you know, we'll come back to this later

00:30:07.040 in terms of, well, regardless, you know, they're using this.

00:30:09.520 What's the purpose?

00:30:10.160 What do they want?

00:30:10.940 What would Israel want to do? 0.96

00:30:12.020 And it's one thing maybe to say, well, Netanyahu is trying to salvage

00:30:16.080 kind of his own reputation, or he's gambling for his own sake here.

00:30:19.660 That would be interesting to me if he's not even doing,

00:30:22.080 if he does not have Israel, you know, at all kind of as the main objective here,

00:30:26.400 which I frankly thought he would, but it might be more personal than that,

00:30:30.120 and we can come more on that later.

00:30:31.480 But I want to talk about this thing of how, you know,

00:30:34.460 Greenblatt of the ADL have reacted and things like that,

00:30:37.060 and some of the other type of how things have changed,

00:30:39.760 if you will, environmentally, well, demographically too, for that matter.

00:30:44.520 We'll get to that.

00:30:45.200 But basically, Greenblatt is freaking out over what's happening

00:30:49.640 at university campuses with more support now for Palestine than for Israel.

00:30:55.200 There's clips of him out there wanting to censor and take control

00:30:58.040 of the narrative on TikTok.

00:30:59.700 X, of course, with Elon Musk or Twitter has been a big issue for them as well

00:31:03.500 to try to basically, you know, label any criticism of Israel and Zionism

00:31:08.740 and, in the extension, Jewish activism as anti-Semitism

00:31:12.840 and try to control the narrative and reen all this in

00:31:15.560 because they're seeing that the narrative is changing.

00:31:17.940 And part of that, I can show a graph.

00:31:19.420 This is what they showed on CNN, I think, of the ages as well,

00:31:24.020 of how the support, this is the question,

00:31:25.840 was Israel's military response to Hamas attacks is fully justified? 0.70

00:31:29.660 You know, and here's the broken down by age.

00:31:31.860 65 years and older, 81% says it was justified, what Israel did. 0.95

00:31:36.340 And then, as you can see, progressively, it gets lower and lower

00:31:39.320 as you go down in the ages.

00:31:40.660 Now, part of that, I'd say as well, is because of the changing demographics, right?

00:31:45.380 A lot of left-wing opinions overall at university campuses and things like this.

00:31:50.080 But at the same time, having said that, a lot of these kids,

00:31:53.620 they're watching, you know, TikTok videos, they're watching social media.

00:31:57.380 They're not getting as much information as they used to do from, you know,

00:32:00.160 they're certainly not watching Fox News.

00:32:01.540 Maybe some of them are watching CNN or MSNBC or whatever.

00:32:04.920 But it's dropping.

00:32:07.400 And no matter how, you know, what the reasons are for this,

00:32:10.600 and we can talk about that, but they are losing that support

00:32:13.520 and more and more people are seeing what's happening.

00:32:16.360 And that's significant to them.

00:32:17.500 And I think that's another reason why they kind of have to make their move now, right?

00:32:21.720 If they want to do something while they have the upper establishment,

00:32:24.800 while they have the political class mostly on their side,

00:32:28.200 while AIPAC is strong and, you know, some of these other lobby groups,

00:32:30.700 they kind of have to move, right?

00:32:32.060 How do you see this, Ron?

00:32:33.360 Oh, I certainly agree with that.

00:32:34.860 I think probably the biggest factor is the channels by which

00:32:38.620 those individual age cohorts receive their information.

00:32:41.820 In other words, I don't watch TV myself,

00:32:44.440 but I would assume that the mainstream media,

00:32:47.420 the main television broadcasters,

00:32:49.540 are still a lockstep behind the Israeli narrative.

00:32:53.820 They are, yeah.

00:32:54.240 Well, when you're talking about, for example, social media,

00:32:56.760 people get for people watching videos on YouTube,

00:33:00.680 videos on Twitter, videos on all these other sources.

00:33:04.440 I mean, they're seeing absolutely horrifying scenes of devastation in Gaza.

00:33:10.900 And, you know, that poll was taken basically October 12th.

00:33:13.420 So, I mean, almost a month ago.

00:33:15.100 I mean, before more than a couple of thousand Gazans

00:33:18.080 had probably been killed, more than a few thousand Gazans.

00:33:20.340 And now all these scenes of massive devastation,

00:33:23.460 I would think, would have shifted the numbers even more.

00:33:26.360 So, you know, it's a question of,

00:33:27.880 unless the pro-Israel side can really gain much greater control

00:33:34.320 over all of the channels and information,

00:33:37.900 you know, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube,

00:33:40.900 I mean, I think those numbers will become more extreme over time.

00:33:44.500 And, you know, again, there are all these sorts of propaganda efforts

00:33:48.280 that are still being made to get a unified message out there.

00:33:53.080 But I think they're failing.

00:33:54.240 In other words, I mean, we're talking about a situation

00:33:56.140 where probably 20,000 Gazan civilians have already been killed.

00:34:01.820 And, you know, thousands and thousands of children have been killed,

00:34:05.420 you know, in massive bombing, massive missile attacks,

00:34:09.500 of the Gazan, you know, leveling 60,000 buildings in Gaza,

00:34:15.460 a densely populated urban area.

00:34:17.440 And so, I mean, the scenes of devastation are so enormous.

00:34:22.000 And the message, basically, is so devastating

00:34:26.200 for the recent ideological framework

00:34:29.460 that Americans have been presented with over the last years,

00:34:34.660 that I think it would be very difficult for Israel

00:34:37.580 to recover its standing on these issues.

00:34:40.520 And, you know, again, it's a question of whether media power

00:34:43.800 is sufficient to shift the reality in that way.

00:34:47.560 And I think it might work with older age cohorts

00:34:50.600 that get their information, you know,

00:34:52.420 straight from the main television networks.

00:34:54.920 But I think it's just very, very difficult

00:34:57.040 with people who get their information, you know, their sources.

00:35:00.460 Yeah, and even then, as they try to control the narrative,

00:35:04.400 people see that.

00:35:05.600 And then they see, well, that's more evidence

00:35:07.040 that they are losing the narrative.

00:35:09.140 And they're, you know what I mean?

00:35:09.920 They're trying to tighten the news tighter and tighter.

00:35:11.880 And people are basically slipping out of that.

00:35:14.220 And speaking to that issue, a couple of stories here.

00:35:17.340 Another U.S. Jewish group's fund, or found, sorry,

00:35:21.020 quote, the 10-7 project to fight denial of Hamas atrocities.

00:35:25.820 An initiative also intended to provide more complete

00:35:29.140 and accurate information about the Israel-Hamas war

00:35:31.580 in real time for policymakers and the American public.

00:35:35.100 This is kind of like, I know that they have,

00:35:39.080 that there are videos now of people that are saying

00:35:42.540 that they've been approached by, you know,

00:35:45.800 basically PR firms and Israeli PR firms

00:35:48.140 to, like, speak well of Israel online,

00:35:50.280 and they've been offered money.

00:35:51.340 You know, there's things like that coming out as well.

00:35:52.960 So it's kind of, it's actually a little reminiscent

00:35:55.060 of what happened during the COVID days.

00:35:56.320 But whatever, be that as it may,

00:35:58.140 they're trying from the bottom in that way,

00:35:59.880 but they're also trying from the top.

00:36:00.940 But this is kind of all they have.

00:36:02.000 Let's make another group, a pressure group.

00:36:04.500 Let's make another lobby group.

00:36:05.880 This will make it.

00:36:08.700 Will this work?

00:36:09.620 I don't think this will work.

00:36:10.700 People are onto this, aren't they, at large?

00:36:12.800 It's very difficult.

00:36:14.180 I mean, and that's why, for example,

00:36:15.400 some of the early atrocity stories that came out

00:36:18.160 were so extreme.

00:36:19.380 They were meant to sort of tilt the balance.

00:36:21.000 I mean, the thing about 40 beheaded babies

00:36:23.420 that was utter fraud from the first moment,

00:36:26.360 or, for example, a baby baked in an oven.

00:36:29.160 And now all these stories about alleged rapes

00:36:31.360 that are coming out.

00:36:32.240 In other words, the few hostages that have spoken online

00:36:35.880 say that they were treated very respectfully

00:36:38.500 by their Hamas captors.

00:36:40.320 In other words, you know, that really was shocking.

00:36:41.940 I mean, when they basically were interviewed

00:36:43.620 by Israeli radio, Israeli television,

00:36:46.220 and they basically said that, you know,

00:36:48.100 the Hamas Miltons treated them with tremendous respect.

00:36:50.780 I mean, they basically were treated very well.

00:36:52.100 Yeah, there were good food,

00:36:53.240 there were medical needs attended to, et cetera, yeah.

00:36:56.360 And so, you know, when those clips

00:36:58.440 became very widespread over the internet,

00:37:02.100 people certainly realized

00:37:03.500 that some of those other stories

00:37:05.200 probably were fraudulent.

00:37:06.220 And then basically the beheaded baby stories disappeared,

00:37:10.240 all these other stories disappeared.

00:37:11.940 And, you know, to try to invent new atrocity stories,

00:37:15.520 more than a month after the attack,

00:37:18.360 I mean, it's just almost two months after the attack, 0.72

00:37:20.560 it's just really ridiculous.

00:37:21.660 So I think they're fighting a losing battle. 0.94

00:37:25.260 But on the other hand,

00:37:26.540 they do have really complete control

00:37:29.780 over the commanding heights

00:37:31.520 of the American political and media system.

00:37:34.680 In other words,

00:37:35.300 they control all the mainstream media outlets.

00:37:37.840 They control virtually every member of Congress,

00:37:40.880 every prominent political figure.

00:37:43.020 And I mean,

00:37:43.480 they were even able to intimidate Elon Musk,

00:37:46.000 the richest man in the world,

00:37:47.420 into basically censoring,

00:37:50.040 you know, very mild leftist progressive slogans

00:37:53.880 that have been around for years.

00:37:55.100 I mean, basically,

00:37:55.900 what makes the whole issue so ridiculous 0.62

00:37:57.720 is that for generations, 0.64

00:38:00.760 the ruling Likud party

00:38:02.240 and its origin and its Irgun roots

00:38:05.460 have been talking about an Israel

00:38:07.940 from the river to the sea.

00:38:10.160 In other words, a greater Israel 0.92

00:38:11.560 in which all non-Jews would be expelled 1.00

00:38:14.300 or totally subjugated. 0.94

00:38:15.900 That's been the position

00:38:17.640 of the ruling Likud party of Israel

00:38:19.980 for three generations, four generations.

00:38:22.620 And meanwhile, leftists or progressives

00:38:24.920 over the last 20 or 30 years

00:38:27.020 have captured that same slogan

00:38:29.800 and talked about from the river to the sea,

00:38:33.240 a single unified democratic secular state

00:38:36.960 with equal rights for Jews and non-Jews.

00:38:40.280 I mean, a very sort of mild progressive perspective.

00:38:43.760 I mean, you know, certainly with Jews

00:38:45.160 having total equal rights.

00:38:47.180 And Elon Musk was persuaded

00:38:48.740 that that was a genocidal slogan

00:38:50.900 that would immediately get you banned

00:38:53.100 from Twitter if you used it.

00:38:55.220 Also, for example,

00:38:55.980 talking about Israel being a settler state

00:38:58.680 would get you immediately banned from Twitter,

00:39:01.100 even though prominent Israelis

00:39:03.660 have always described themselves

00:39:05.540 as creating a settler state.

00:39:07.680 So in other words,

00:39:08.460 when the same language precisely

00:39:10.280 is used by one side,

00:39:12.800 it's described as being

00:39:14.520 totally impermissible on Twitter,

00:39:16.480 gets you immediately banned.

00:39:17.720 While when it's used on the other side,

00:39:19.240 it's basically the Israeli government.

00:39:21.140 And you do have many elements

00:39:23.780 of the Israeli government,

00:39:24.920 even including Prime Minister Netanyahu,

00:39:28.440 using what really amounts

00:39:30.300 to genocidal language

00:39:31.940 towards the Palestinians.

00:39:33.220 In other words, for example,

00:39:34.320 when Netanyahu,

00:39:35.220 who's not religious himself,

00:39:37.220 but has a very strongly religious base,

00:39:40.740 identifies the Palestinians

00:39:42.120 with the tribe of Amalek.

00:39:45.020 I mean, the Hebrew God 0.99

00:39:46.760 requires that all members,

00:39:50.160 all of the seed of Amalek 1.00

00:39:52.160 be exterminated 0.99

00:39:53.220 down to the youngest newborn baby. 0.87

00:39:55.760 And so, you know,

00:39:56.340 when you're using language like that

00:39:57.980 and committing a gigantic massacre

00:40:01.040 of the unarmed civilians of Gaza

00:40:04.080 with, you know, 15 or 20,000

00:40:06.360 of them already killed,

00:40:07.760 I mean, that's extremely strong language

00:40:10.280 that reasonably could be described

00:40:11.800 as genocidal.

00:40:13.160 And yet, he certainly

00:40:14.380 is not banned from Twitter.

00:40:16.020 While leftists or liberals

00:40:17.860 who talk about a secular democratic state

00:40:20.260 with equal rights

00:40:21.520 for Jews and non-Jews

00:40:23.980 are banned on grounds

00:40:25.280 of advocating genocide,

00:40:26.920 which is just ridiculous. 0.94

00:40:28.300 I mean, basically, 0.93

00:40:29.240 you know,

00:40:30.280 Elon Musk has obviously

00:40:31.440 been intimidated

00:40:32.240 by a massive boycott

00:40:34.320 that was organized

00:40:35.220 against him

00:40:35.880 after he expressed support

00:40:38.100 for some tweet

00:40:38.940 that somebody made,

00:40:39.980 you know,

00:40:40.240 criticizing Zionist forces 0.99

00:40:42.520 for their hypocrisy 0.97

00:40:43.860 or something like that. 0.93

00:40:45.260 And, you know,

00:40:45.800 and that situation

00:40:46.720 is certainly true

00:40:48.420 of many other platforms.

00:40:49.720 For example,

00:40:50.240 TikTok,

00:40:50.760 even though it was founded

00:40:52.520 in China,

00:40:53.420 has been intimidated,

00:40:55.100 again,

00:40:55.400 into censoring

00:40:56.480 most sort of

00:40:58.220 questionable statements

00:41:00.120 criticizing Israel

00:41:01.140 or attacking Israel's

00:41:02.640 right to exist

00:41:03.240 or anything like that.

00:41:04.140 So, I mean,

00:41:04.620 we're talking about

00:41:05.160 a very one-sided landscape

00:41:07.220 in all of the media,

00:41:08.920 including social media.

00:41:10.600 But even that

00:41:11.880 social media landscape

00:41:13.200 is nothing like,

00:41:14.520 for example,

00:41:14.980 the landscape people

00:41:16.040 have seen for generations

00:41:17.560 with the major

00:41:18.860 television networks

00:41:19.900 and, you know,

00:41:20.800 what everybody sees

00:41:21.620 in front of them.

00:41:22.280 So, I mean,

00:41:22.800 it's the sort of situation

00:41:23.740 where, you know,

00:41:24.940 I think it's difficult

00:41:26.060 for the Israelis

00:41:27.060 to keep control

00:41:28.600 over the American public

00:41:30.140 on these issues.

00:41:31.240 But the other question

00:41:32.240 is what would

00:41:33.360 American critics

00:41:35.600 be able to do?

00:41:36.560 In other words,

00:41:37.000 with both parties

00:41:38.140 so strongly controlled

00:41:39.920 by the Israel lobby,

00:41:43.020 you know,

00:41:43.360 it's unclear really

00:41:44.400 what they can do

00:41:45.040 except stay home.

00:41:46.020 And, you know,

00:41:46.400 I mean,

00:41:46.560 that certainly puts pressure

00:41:47.880 on the Democratic Party,

00:41:50.460 on Biden's

00:41:51.100 re-election chances.

00:41:52.580 Because with his base

00:41:54.260 being much more divided

00:41:55.520 on this issue,

00:41:57.180 he's obviously worried

00:41:58.180 about, you know,

00:41:59.340 losing any chance

00:42:00.320 of winning re-election.

00:42:02.120 Yeah.

00:42:02.620 But, you know,

00:42:03.320 it's not clear

00:42:03.860 how even that stacks up

00:42:05.240 against the tremendous control

00:42:07.360 that the Israel lobby

00:42:09.100 has over the entire

00:42:10.200 Democratic Party.

00:42:12.080 Yeah, no,

00:42:12.640 it's true.

00:42:13.880 And, again,

00:42:15.200 younger generations

00:42:16.040 coming up there,

00:42:17.120 they're not favorable

00:42:18.120 of that.

00:42:19.700 And, you know,

00:42:20.500 there's a whole lot

00:42:21.860 of discussion here,

00:42:22.600 obviously,

00:42:22.880 but, like,

00:42:23.660 yeah,

00:42:23.820 the demographics

00:42:24.440 are changing.

00:42:25.520 In the West, right?

00:42:26.920 Because of open borders.

00:42:28.260 And, of course,

00:42:28.800 a lot of those

00:42:29.320 are, of course,

00:42:30.060 you know,

00:42:30.300 Jewish activist groups

00:42:31.300 such as, you know,

00:42:31.960 Paideia and Israel

00:42:33.060 and you have highest,

00:42:34.300 you know,

00:42:34.440 these kinds of things.

00:42:35.200 It's not only that,

00:42:35.840 but it's very disproportionate

00:42:36.860 if you measure

00:42:37.460 the amount of influence

00:42:38.560 that those groups have.

00:42:40.880 There's plenty of churches

00:42:41.880 accepting refugees

00:42:42.740 and there's Catholic groups

00:42:44.140 and all that kind of stuff,

00:42:45.000 right?

00:42:45.740 But you'd kind of be expected

00:42:47.040 to have some of that

00:42:48.100 considering how many

00:42:49.020 of those,

00:42:49.540 a multitude there is,

00:42:50.480 right?

00:42:51.040 But a lot of them

00:42:51.960 have been very powerful,

00:42:52.860 very influential.

00:42:54.020 And then,

00:42:55.060 ironically,

00:42:55.480 now this is what's kind of,

00:42:56.520 you know, 0.94

00:42:56.880 biting them in the rear end, 0.99

00:42:58.940 so to speak. 0.99

00:42:59.640 It's coming back at them.

00:43:00.840 All this support now

00:43:01.800 for Palestine in countries

00:43:03.140 have gotten a lot of

00:43:04.140 Jewish activists

00:43:04.980 and many of them,

00:43:05.560 of course,

00:43:05.760 are on the far left.

00:43:06.420 There's some,

00:43:06.960 there's a right-wing overlap

00:43:09.080 and we could,

00:43:09.480 you know,

00:43:09.680 we could talk about that later.

00:43:10.480 But a lot of them

00:43:11.360 who are kind of leftists

00:43:12.660 and they're more,

00:43:13.440 maybe more secular,

00:43:14.380 maybe not as religious.

00:43:16.300 They have like,

00:43:17.180 they're looking at this

00:43:18.080 and thinking,

00:43:18.580 well,

00:43:18.700 you were supposed to be

00:43:19.700 kind of our allies,

00:43:20.880 right?

00:43:21.060 What happened here?

00:43:22.800 And it also shows

00:43:23.720 maybe they're,

00:43:24.760 these left-wing activists'

00:43:25.980 allegiance that ultimately

00:43:26.820 they are very concerned

00:43:27.920 about Israel

00:43:28.500 and being pro-Israel

00:43:29.940 despite the fact

00:43:31.240 of its policies

00:43:32.220 being,

00:43:32.680 you know,

00:43:33.120 right-wing

00:43:34.060 and hard-lined

00:43:34.720 nationalistic.

00:43:35.460 They have walls

00:43:36.540 and all these kinds of things.

00:43:37.460 But for Western countries,

00:43:39.100 we're expected

00:43:39.740 to keep our borders

00:43:40.560 wide open

00:43:41.160 and of course,

00:43:42.020 you know,

00:43:42.320 let everybody in

00:43:43.420 and accept everybody

00:43:44.200 kind of thing.

00:43:44.600 So that's been

00:43:45.380 a very interesting evolution,

00:43:47.780 if you will,

00:43:48.140 to watch.

00:43:48.720 It's kind of,

00:43:49.400 it's humorous

00:43:50.360 on one end,

00:43:51.420 but it's also,

00:43:52.340 you know,

00:43:52.940 for us in the West,

00:43:54.260 it's sad as well

00:43:55.200 because it's like,

00:43:56.460 really?

00:43:56.900 Is this,

00:43:57.260 you know,

00:43:57.460 you couldn't see this coming

00:43:59.240 and now you've,

00:44:00.280 you know,

00:44:00.480 helped at least

00:44:01.340 to change the makeup

00:44:02.860 of our countries.

00:44:03.540 You've turned

00:44:03.820 a more left-wing

00:44:04.640 from,

00:44:05.900 all the way from,

00:44:06.520 you know,

00:44:06.640 the Frankfurt School

00:44:07.500 and so-called

00:44:08.020 cultural Marxism,

00:44:09.520 you know,

00:44:10.160 infesting into

00:44:10.940 the academic environments

00:44:12.180 and the universities

00:44:13.040 and stuff

00:44:13.600 into,

00:44:14.480 you know,

00:44:14.860 the media

00:44:15.440 and it just extends further.

00:44:17.980 Now,

00:44:18.480 all of a sudden,

00:44:18.820 we're expected

00:44:19.180 to flip on this.

00:44:19.960 Have you observed

00:44:20.800 this as well?

00:44:21.560 There's certainly

00:44:22.260 clear examples

00:44:23.260 you can pull out.

00:44:24.040 There's some

00:44:24.300 from the UK recently.

00:44:26.800 David Aronovich

00:44:27.680 was one of them.

00:44:28.540 What was the other guy's name?

00:44:30.400 It was another David.

00:44:31.280 There's a couple of examples.

00:44:32.480 I can't think of

00:44:33.160 how many there are now,

00:44:33.920 but we've covered them

00:44:34.600 in the show

00:44:35.040 throughout the last couple

00:44:36.900 of months

00:44:37.240 when this has happened.

00:44:38.020 A lot of them

00:44:38.440 have been very disappointed,

00:44:39.520 but isn't this,

00:44:40.680 they've helped to create

00:44:41.620 this environment.

00:44:42.380 Am I wrong?

00:44:43.560 Oh, sure.

00:44:44.260 But I think you have

00:44:45.280 to distinguish

00:44:45.800 between the demographic

00:44:46.860 changes in Europe

00:44:48.020 versus the demographic

00:44:49.200 changes in the United States.

00:44:50.680 In other words,

00:44:51.260 in Europe,

00:44:51.900 a large fraction

00:44:53.100 of the influx

00:44:54.960 of immigrants

00:44:55.620 over the last

00:44:56.840 20 or 30 years

00:44:57.860 has been from

00:44:58.680 the Muslim world.

00:44:59.520 For example,

00:45:00.300 you know,

00:45:00.480 if we're talking about France,

00:45:01.560 if we're talking

00:45:02.180 about even Germany,

00:45:03.280 if we're talking

00:45:03.840 about Britain,

00:45:04.920 and obviously Muslims

00:45:06.180 feel a much closer

00:45:07.800 connection to Palestinians.

00:45:09.660 You know,

00:45:09.980 I mean,

00:45:10.500 many of them,

00:45:11.000 for example,

00:45:11.400 are watching,

00:45:12.700 are watching,

00:45:15.960 for example,

00:45:16.680 Al Jazeera

00:45:17.380 and other networks

00:45:18.460 that, you know,

00:45:19.000 are portraying

00:45:19.720 the tremendous disaster

00:45:21.460 inflicted on the Palestinians 1.00

00:45:23.000 and all the deaths.

00:45:24.000 Also,

00:45:24.320 for example,

00:45:24.680 with the Alaska Mosque

00:45:26.000 issue

00:45:26.620 in Jerusalem.

00:45:28.200 So, you know,

00:45:29.200 for example,

00:45:29.760 it's very natural

00:45:30.960 that there would be

00:45:31.720 an extremely strong

00:45:33.360 Muslim reaction

00:45:34.960 against what's going on here.

00:45:36.640 In the case of

00:45:37.340 the United States,

00:45:38.020 only a tiny sliver

00:45:39.320 of America's

00:45:40.780 changed demographics

00:45:41.700 over the last

00:45:42.340 20 or 30 years

00:45:43.340 have been Muslims.

00:45:44.100 In other words,

00:45:44.640 the vast majority

00:45:45.560 of immigrants

00:45:46.220 have been from Asia

00:45:47.900 or especially

00:45:48.640 from Latin America.

00:45:50.180 You know,

00:45:50.520 Christians or,

00:45:51.700 you know,

00:45:52.260 for example,

00:45:52.780 Hindus in some cases. 1.00

00:45:54.380 And there,

00:45:54.920 I think there's much

00:45:55.500 less direct connection

00:45:57.240 to the Palestinians.

00:45:58.200 Now,

00:45:58.620 you do have a situation,

00:45:59.940 for example,

00:46:00.340 where a lot of the rhetoric

00:46:01.800 or ideological framework

00:46:03.960 presented in the last

00:46:04.940 5 or 10 or 20 years

00:46:06.860 has been emphasizing

00:46:08.740 the horrors

00:46:10.200 of inflicting suffering

00:46:11.440 upon people of color,

00:46:13.300 the unity of people of color.

00:46:14.860 And so, you know,

00:46:15.320 there's certainly

00:46:15.740 an element of that.

00:46:16.960 But I don't think

00:46:17.980 it's really necessarily

00:46:18.900 that strong.

00:46:20.140 And I think,

00:46:20.880 for example,

00:46:21.180 in most cases,

00:46:21.800 if you look at the actual

00:46:22.680 voting patterns,

00:46:24.560 for example,

00:46:25.640 of Latin American immigrants

00:46:27.680 in the United States,

00:46:28.940 they're in most cases

00:46:29.880 not that different

00:46:31.060 from whites

00:46:32.420 of the same age

00:46:33.960 and the same region.

00:46:35.180 So, for example,

00:46:36.260 California Latinos

00:46:37.360 are voting roughly

00:46:38.560 the same

00:46:39.280 as California whites.

00:46:41.460 Texas Latinos

00:46:42.420 as Texas whites

00:46:43.560 and around the country.

00:46:44.620 And obviously,

00:46:45.140 you know,

00:46:45.420 Latinos are overwhelmingly

00:46:46.600 Christian.

00:46:47.280 I mean,

00:46:47.480 very, very few of them

00:46:48.540 are Muslim.

00:46:49.720 So there,

00:46:50.420 I think it's probably

00:46:51.080 more a question

00:46:51.720 of age

00:46:52.620 being the main factor

00:46:53.740 and the fact

00:46:55.200 that they get

00:46:55.700 their channels

00:46:56.300 of information

00:46:57.040 through social media

00:46:59.220 rather than ABC,

00:47:00.960 CBS,

00:47:02.000 and NBC and Fox.

00:47:03.440 So I think

00:47:04.660 you have to distinguish

00:47:05.500 again between Europe

00:47:06.520 and the United States.

00:47:07.420 So, you know,

00:47:07.940 there's certainly

00:47:08.360 a factor in both cases.

00:47:10.240 And, you know,

00:47:10.880 in many cases,

00:47:12.160 say among certain groups,

00:47:13.620 like, for example,

00:47:14.400 blacks traditionally 0.94

00:47:15.320 have been much more

00:47:17.380 supportive

00:47:18.540 of Muslim causes,

00:47:20.540 partly out of

00:47:21.320 their sort of hostility

00:47:22.420 towards the American

00:47:23.240 establishment.

00:47:24.020 So you certainly see

00:47:25.060 a good deal of that.

00:47:27.020 And, you know,

00:47:27.820 among, for example,

00:47:28.520 members of Congress

00:47:29.380 or, for example,

00:47:29.980 some of the individuals

00:47:30.900 in the elite Ivy League

00:47:32.640 schools.

00:47:33.500 But I don't think

00:47:34.480 you see as much

00:47:35.300 of that among Asians

00:47:36.580 or among Latinos

00:47:37.560 aside from the fact

00:47:39.240 that because they're young,

00:47:40.780 they're getting

00:47:41.300 their information

00:47:41.940 from a different source

00:47:42.900 and are less wedded

00:47:44.140 to 30 or 40 years

00:47:46.900 of propaganda

00:47:47.980 that they've received

00:47:49.100 about the Middle East

00:47:50.220 conflict.

00:47:50.680 Very good.

00:47:52.640 Now, let me see.

00:47:53.900 Let's cover these

00:47:55.020 two things real quick

00:47:55.760 and I'm going to take

00:47:56.140 a short break here

00:47:57.020 between those segments.

00:47:57.840 But, you know,

00:47:58.680 I showed the story

00:48:00.140 of them setting up

00:48:00.960 their 10-7 project

00:48:02.800 there,

00:48:03.100 the 10-7 project,

00:48:03.960 and you had a number

00:48:04.580 of organizations,

00:48:05.780 backers,

00:48:06.380 they say here,

00:48:06.980 but a number

00:48:07.460 of other organizations

00:48:08.160 kind of joining in

00:48:08.880 on this,

00:48:09.180 the American Jewish

00:48:09.700 Committee,

00:48:10.760 which initiated

00:48:11.620 the project.

00:48:12.380 You also have

00:48:12.920 then AIPAC,

00:48:13.780 the American Israeli

00:48:14.460 Public Affairs Committee,

00:48:15.380 the Jewish Federations

00:48:16.080 of North America,

00:48:16.960 the Anti-Defamation League,

00:48:18.180 and the Conference

00:48:19.300 of Presidents

00:48:19.980 of Major American

00:48:20.880 Jewish Organizations.

00:48:21.860 You have those

00:48:22.560 joining up for the

00:48:23.740 10-7 project,

00:48:24.800 which is another thing.

00:48:25.900 And even a few months

00:48:26.680 ago before that,

00:48:27.720 they had another group,

00:48:29.980 the J-7, 0.97

00:48:31.100 kind of modeled

00:48:31.640 the Greenblatt,

00:48:32.360 went on Israeli television

00:48:33.460 talking about this,

00:48:34.460 about how it's modeled

00:48:35.240 after the G-7, right?

00:48:37.120 So it was Britain, 0.87

00:48:38.040 France, Germany,

00:48:38.720 Argentina,

00:48:39.320 Canada,

00:48:40.580 Australia,

00:48:41.220 and obviously the U.S.

00:48:42.620 here,

00:48:42.860 then part of this task force

00:48:44.340 to, you know,

00:48:45.180 combat anti-Semitism.

00:48:47.300 And then finally,

00:48:48.440 in the wake of this,

00:48:49.720 the House have now

00:48:50.900 passed a resolution

00:48:52.220 declaring anti-Zionism

00:48:54.120 a form of anti-Semitism.

00:48:56.480 And then,

00:48:57.100 I guess,

00:48:57.680 a caveat here

00:48:58.220 that you mentioned,

00:48:58.700 some Democrats are critical.

00:49:00.540 We'll see if it passes

00:49:01.240 or not,

00:49:01.700 if it goes through.

00:49:02.800 But the point is

00:49:03.400 they keep trying this

00:49:04.580 and the method is

00:49:05.980 not only information control

00:49:08.020 or counter-propaganda

00:49:09.680 or just, you know,

00:49:10.540 have a direct line

00:49:11.780 with media,

00:49:12.480 which they already have,

00:49:13.420 you know,

00:49:13.700 Greenblatt,

00:49:14.920 I presume he just

00:49:16.180 have these people

00:49:16.720 on speed dial.

00:49:17.480 He can get on there

00:49:18.060 whenever he wants

00:49:18.680 and then talk to them,

00:49:19.680 you know what I mean,

00:49:20.040 and declare what

00:49:20.960 the official view

00:49:21.620 is supposed to believe.

00:49:23.940 But the measure here,

00:49:24.920 really,

00:49:25.140 and it speaks to the power

00:49:26.040 that you mentioned before,

00:49:26.860 right?

00:49:27.340 It's one thing

00:49:28.120 if you don't have

00:49:29.000 the popular support

00:49:29.900 of like, you know,

00:49:30.600 18 to 25-year-olds

00:49:32.260 on your side,

00:49:33.100 sure,

00:49:33.560 one day they'll grow up

00:49:34.640 and they'll be the politicians.

00:49:35.820 Then it's a completely

00:49:36.360 different story,

00:49:37.040 which just goes back

00:49:37.780 to what I talked about,

00:49:38.620 that, you know,

00:49:39.460 they have to have

00:49:39.940 made their move by then.

00:49:41.560 And we'll talk more

00:49:42.080 about that later in part two,

00:49:43.080 but this seems to be,

00:49:45.340 okay,

00:49:45.620 let's criminalize this.

00:49:47.680 Essentially,

00:49:48.100 let's pass laws

00:49:49.220 that says it's forbidden.

00:49:52.260 Number one,

00:49:53.900 equating,

00:49:54.640 you know,

00:49:55.860 anti-Zionism,

00:49:57.080 then that's anti-Semitism.

00:49:58.660 You're criticizing Israel

00:49:59.860 or the Israeli government

00:50:00.980 is also anti-Semitism.

00:50:02.680 But this goes down the line

00:50:04.000 and that's kind of

00:50:05.160 where the criticism

00:50:05.940 for many ends.

00:50:06.680 But I'd say,

00:50:07.380 why shouldn't we be allowed

00:50:08.440 to criticize Jewish NGO groups

00:50:11.040 or Jewish activists

00:50:12.020 that are doing things

00:50:12.880 that are changing

00:50:13.320 the demographic makeup

00:50:14.320 of our countries, right?

00:50:15.820 But these things

00:50:16.720 are what they try to outlaw.

00:50:18.340 There's this long definition

00:50:19.900 on the U.S. State Department's website

00:50:21.800 of what anti-Semitism is.

00:50:23.560 And I think they're,

00:50:24.440 if they've not actually

00:50:25.700 officially adopted that

00:50:26.940 as the official,

00:50:27.820 you know,

00:50:28.480 kind of definition,

00:50:29.280 they're about to.

00:50:30.620 But we've seen the goalpost

00:50:32.000 move on this, Rom.

00:50:33.640 And this seems to be

00:50:35.320 the path forward for them

00:50:37.660 that basically,

00:50:38.380 let's pass laws

00:50:39.120 and let's see if we can stop that.

00:50:40.700 I don't see that working at all.

00:50:42.460 I think it's going to backfire

00:50:43.460 as many of these

00:50:44.280 other projects have.

00:50:45.240 How do you see this

00:50:45.940 and where do you think

00:50:46.680 this is going?

00:50:47.900 Well, I mean,

00:50:48.360 they're obviously facing

00:50:49.260 a very difficult landscape

00:50:52.120 of reality.

00:50:53.060 In other words,

00:50:53.780 when people know that,

00:50:55.360 you know,

00:50:55.580 probably 20,000 Gazan civilians

00:50:57.940 have been killed.

00:50:58.560 I mean, take, for example,

00:50:59.480 the conflict in Ukraine.

00:51:01.160 Every now and then,

00:51:02.160 a Russian missile

00:51:03.000 would misfire,

00:51:04.480 hitting,

00:51:05.020 aimed at a military target,

00:51:06.240 and a dozen Ukrainian civilians

00:51:08.200 would be killed,

00:51:08.880 or 20,

00:51:09.360 or sometimes even 50.

00:51:10.680 In many cases,

00:51:11.540 it turned out to be

00:51:12.240 a Ukrainian missile

00:51:13.200 that had made the mistake.

00:51:15.760 But I mean,

00:51:16.060 the whole thing about it

00:51:16.700 is when, you know,

00:51:17.540 there was tremendous media coverage

00:51:19.540 of 10, or 15, or 20

00:51:21.500 Ukrainian civilians

00:51:23.740 killed allegedly by Russia.

00:51:25.480 And now we're seeing

00:51:26.800 20,000 Gazans killed

00:51:29.580 with absolutely no effort

00:51:31.600 to be discriminated

00:51:33.480 in the attacks.

00:51:34.060 I mean, basically,

00:51:34.740 the Israelis have dropped 1.00

00:51:35.900 the equivalent of,

00:51:36.680 I think,

00:51:36.900 a couple of nuclear weapons

00:51:38.680 in terms of tons

00:51:39.680 of explosives on Gaza.

00:51:41.140 We're talking about

00:51:41.880 a very densely populated

00:51:43.680 area of the world,

00:51:45.220 one of the most densely populated

00:51:46.720 urban areas in the world,

00:51:48.700 and massive,

00:51:49.960 massive bombing

00:51:51.960 of that area.

00:51:52.940 So, you know,

00:51:53.340 it's not at all surprising

00:51:54.380 tens of thousands

00:51:55.740 have been killed.

00:51:56.820 And so, you know,

00:51:57.480 the reality of that

00:51:58.960 is when there are

00:51:59.800 thousands and thousands

00:52:01.080 of babies

00:52:02.800 and toddlers

00:52:03.840 who've died,

00:52:04.860 who, you know,

00:52:05.360 the images can be seen

00:52:06.360 on the screen,

00:52:07.080 the images are circulating

00:52:08.300 on social media.

00:52:10.020 So many crippled people, 1.00

00:52:11.640 so many dead people.

00:52:13.240 I mean, it's just

00:52:13.900 to try to counteract

00:52:16.020 the reality of that

00:52:17.240 with a propaganda offensive

00:52:19.660 is very, very difficult.

00:52:21.760 I'm not saying

00:52:22.280 it's impossible.

00:52:23.100 I mean, propaganda

00:52:23.700 is a very powerful tool,

00:52:25.320 but it's extraordinarily difficult.

00:52:28.160 And for Greenblatt

00:52:29.320 and some of the others

00:52:30.200 like that,

00:52:31.360 to basically identify

00:52:33.140 criticism of the Israeli

00:52:35.200 current policies

00:52:36.260 with anti-Semitism

00:52:37.560 means that basically

00:52:39.260 to be opposed to,

00:52:40.800 as some people pointed out,

00:52:42.100 what Greenblatt is saying

00:52:43.320 is that being opposed

00:52:45.480 to baby killing

00:52:46.520 is anti-Semitism.

00:52:48.280 It's the new definition

00:52:49.180 of anti-Semitism.

00:52:50.280 And that's a very,

00:52:51.360 very counterproductive

00:52:52.960 approach to take.

00:52:54.740 No, seriously.

00:52:55.720 I mean, one thing

00:52:56.420 I pointed out in my article

00:52:57.560 is that, you know,

00:52:58.640 when you look at,

00:52:59.580 for example,

00:52:59.940 the history of anti-Semitism

00:53:01.780 and you go past the rhetoric,

00:53:04.940 you go past basically

00:53:06.200 the sort of

00:53:06.980 the media concoction

00:53:08.800 that you read in the press,

00:53:10.180 you really find out

00:53:11.480 that much of the previous

00:53:12.960 history of anti-Semitism

00:53:14.300 is as utterly distorted

00:53:16.400 and unrealistic

00:53:17.440 as what they're trying

00:53:19.100 to promote right now.

00:53:20.240 In other words,

00:53:20.780 so many of the famous cases

00:53:22.300 in the past

00:53:22.760 are very different

00:53:23.780 than what they're imagined to be.

00:53:25.480 And so, you know,

00:53:26.120 by opening up

00:53:27.080 this can of worms

00:53:28.300 by changing

00:53:29.760 the definition

00:53:30.500 of anti-Semitism

00:53:31.400 to being something

00:53:32.820 that virtually

00:53:33.400 everybody in the world

00:53:34.920 would find horrifying.

00:53:37.240 I mean, basically

00:53:37.840 slaughtering

00:53:38.660 the helpless

00:53:39.320 civilians of Gaza,

00:53:40.860 including women 0.69

00:53:41.460 and children.

00:53:42.500 Under those circumstances,

00:53:43.880 I think it

00:53:44.480 raises the danger

00:53:46.740 that people

00:53:47.960 will begin

00:53:48.440 to investigate

00:53:49.240 the concept

00:53:49.960 more carefully

00:53:50.860 and find out

00:53:52.400 many,

00:53:52.880 open many doors

00:53:53.920 that, you know,

00:53:54.900 I think, for example,

00:53:55.840 the ADL

00:53:56.400 and other groups

00:53:56.920 like that

00:53:57.340 would prefer

00:53:58.140 to remain closed.

00:53:59.220 So, it's a risky

00:54:00.260 strategy on their part.

00:54:01.780 I'm not saying

00:54:02.360 it's certain to fail

00:54:04.480 because, you know,

00:54:05.140 media is a very powerful tool,

00:54:06.920 especially media

00:54:07.860 backed by the force of law.

00:54:09.900 But, I mean,

00:54:10.360 they're taking enormous risks

00:54:11.980 by following that approach

00:54:13.140 in the United States

00:54:14.560 and in Europe.

00:54:16.200 Yeah.

00:54:16.340 And I think, you know,

00:54:17.920 it's, I mean,

00:54:19.080 it shows how desperate they are.

00:54:20.540 Indeed.

00:54:21.040 And I want to talk

00:54:21.680 a little bit more

00:54:22.020 about that history, too.

00:54:22.820 There's a couple other points here

00:54:23.960 on just recent developments

00:54:25.700 that I want to go through

00:54:26.260 more in part one here.

00:54:27.460 But the piece

00:54:28.200 that we're talking about,

00:54:28.980 and Ron,

00:54:29.540 does a great job here,

00:54:31.120 and again,

00:54:31.420 going through a lot

00:54:32.040 of the history,

00:54:33.500 you know,

00:54:33.960 of this, too,

00:54:34.460 and the, you know,

00:54:34.980 the anti-Semitism history.

00:54:36.980 It's called

00:54:37.460 American Prophecy

00:54:38.020 Gaza and the Anti-Semitism Hoax.

00:54:39.640 I think there's a,

00:54:40.320 for you guys who want

00:54:40.980 to listen to it

00:54:41.520 in the background,

00:54:42.620 there's an audio player

00:54:43.420 there, too,

00:54:43.840 so check that out.

00:54:45.320 And overall,

00:54:46.120 just check out

00:54:46.620 UNS.com.

00:54:47.340 It's a critical voice,

00:54:49.540 a critical outlet,

00:54:50.320 really,

00:54:50.600 to give a voice

00:54:51.380 to a lot of the people

00:54:52.820 of dissidents,

00:54:53.480 if you will,

00:54:53.880 that are banned.

00:54:54.880 There's some left-wing voices

00:54:55.920 on there,

00:54:56.340 there's right-wing voices,

00:54:57.480 all kinds of good stuff.

00:54:58.620 The UNS Review,

00:54:59.560 for those of you who don't know,

00:55:00.220 I think most of you guys

00:55:00.880 are familiar with it.

00:55:02.820 Is there anything else

00:55:04.280 you'd like to plug here

00:55:05.060 before we take a short break,

00:55:06.400 Ron?

00:55:06.600 Do you have something else

00:55:07.360 you're working on?

00:55:08.260 You do have a couple

00:55:08.980 of books out there, right?

00:55:10.460 Oh, sure.

00:55:11.060 I mean,

00:55:11.260 what I've done actually

00:55:12.120 over the last year or so

00:55:14.020 is collect together

00:55:15.700 a large number

00:55:16.660 of my different essays

00:55:17.640 into print collections.

00:55:19.120 So they're available

00:55:19.960 on Amazon.

00:55:20.760 You can also download

00:55:21.840 them as e-books

00:55:22.680 for free

00:55:23.220 on the website.

00:55:24.680 And there's really

00:55:25.440 quite a lot of content

00:55:26.820 grouped into a number

00:55:28.020 of different subjects.

00:55:28.920 In fact,

00:55:29.660 you know,

00:55:29.900 there's enough material

00:55:30.900 that there's actually

00:55:32.100 about 10 or 12

00:55:33.340 separate print collections

00:55:35.220 and probably about 15

00:55:38.180 or 20 separate e-books.

00:55:39.920 And again,

00:55:40.360 you can very easily

00:55:41.180 download the e-books

00:55:42.580 for free,

00:55:43.660 read them in your e-player,

00:55:44.940 or buy the print collections

00:55:46.380 on Amazon.

00:55:46.960 Yeah,

00:55:48.100 great pieces on there.

00:55:49.840 The other day

00:55:50.400 I came across

00:55:51.000 was a Larry Romanoff,

00:55:52.840 one piece he wrote,

00:55:53.520 The Richest Man

00:55:54.200 in the World.

00:55:54.800 And I started reading,

00:55:55.400 it was a fairly long piece,

00:55:57.560 right?

00:55:57.680 21,000 words,

00:55:59.100 but it was about,

00:55:59.760 you know,

00:56:00.000 the gold and all this.

00:56:01.320 It was like,

00:56:01.580 fascinating piece.

00:56:02.420 I don't have time

00:56:02.840 to finish the whole thing yet,

00:56:03.940 but I have it bookmarked here.

00:56:05.120 I'm going to go through it.

00:56:05.800 It was like, 0.98

00:56:06.440 holy crap, 0.94

00:56:07.000 some of this, 0.99

00:56:07.580 and I've heard

00:56:08.300 some of the rumors

00:56:08.780 of this too,

00:56:09.260 but here's to mention

00:56:10.180 one example of like

00:56:11.140 some of the great stuff

00:56:11.820 that's on ons.com right there.

00:56:13.880 But anyway,

00:56:14.200 that's a fascinating piece.

00:56:15.600 All right,

00:56:15.840 we'll add a link to this

00:56:16.780 obviously down below.

00:56:17.600 We'll add a link to the books

00:56:18.880 that Ron has written as well,

00:56:20.400 or the compilation here really

00:56:21.440 that I mentioned.

00:56:22.680 And we'll take a quick short break

00:56:24.680 and then we'll return

00:56:25.300 a little bit more

00:56:25.740 and talk more about the history

00:56:26.940 and some of the ways forward,

00:56:29.260 you know,

00:56:29.700 for Israels

00:56:30.260 and the Greenblats too,

00:56:31.580 I'd say,

00:56:31.940 because they're losing that narrative.

00:56:33.240 So stay with us, Ron.

00:56:34.360 Stay with us, everybody.

00:56:35.760 We'll be right back in part two.

00:56:41.820 Thank you for watching.

00:56:43.320 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:56:44.160 please join us in part two

00:56:45.440 together with Ron Unz

00:56:46.560 as we talk more about

00:56:47.540 the future of Israel,

00:56:49.020 how they're losing the narrative

00:56:50.680 and really what kind of

00:56:51.760 lies ahead as well.

00:56:52.640 We also look back historically

00:56:53.800 and look at some of the

00:56:55.020 supposed examples

00:56:55.980 of so-called anti-Semitism.

00:56:58.860 Ron brings up three examples,

00:57:00.640 the Bolshevik Revolution,

00:57:02.260 or kind of overall

00:57:02.920 what happened in Russia.

00:57:05.240 And then we also look

00:57:06.000 at the Dreyfus affair

00:57:07.260 and then the Leo Frank,

00:57:08.960 Mary Fagan story.

00:57:09.940 This is, of course,

00:57:10.740 the rape there 0.75

00:57:11.840 in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:57:14.540 And it was that event

00:57:15.420 that actually created the ADL.

00:57:17.860 It was called the ADL

00:57:18.560 of B'nai B'rith at that time,

00:57:20.320 but they took that away

00:57:21.480 for some reason.

00:57:22.740 But yes,

00:57:23.060 we'll look at those three examples

00:57:24.040 and also kind of talk

00:57:25.320 about this thing

00:57:25.740 that there wasn't any

00:57:27.260 in that sense

00:57:28.580 that historically was described

00:57:29.560 as anti-Semitism

00:57:30.380 that drove those types of cases.

00:57:33.500 But in some regards,

00:57:35.100 it was some of the actions,

00:57:36.900 it was some of the behavior

00:57:38.380 after those events had happened

00:57:40.400 that actually caused 0.51

00:57:41.500 the supposed, you know,

00:57:43.100 quote-unquote anti-Semitism.

00:57:44.920 In other words,

00:57:46.120 there wasn't a problem

00:57:46.740 to begin with,

00:57:47.740 but then it was a certain

00:57:48.500 set of behaviors

00:57:49.140 that actually drove

00:57:50.340 that suspicion

00:57:52.560 or drove those types

00:57:54.300 of reactions.

00:57:56.140 So it's fascinating

00:57:57.260 hearing about that.

00:57:58.040 So join us in part two

00:57:59.420 for more about that

00:58:00.620 with Ron Anz.

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Red Ice TV - December 07, 2023

Israel Is In A Bind, Fake Anti-Semitism & Jewish Censorship Groups Panicking - Ron Unz

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