Red Ice TV - Kvlt Games, The Great Rebellion - Roland Moritz

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00:01:00.420 Definitely in terms of revenue, the money in it and things like that.

00:01:03.840 And a lot of people are, well, sometimes we kind of forget about video games.

00:01:07.400 Not everybody, but maybe I do.

00:01:08.840 I'm almost a boomer.

00:01:10.520 Look, I used to play like Counter-Strike.

00:01:12.880 I played like Team Fortress and stuff.

00:01:14.740 This is like 20 years ago almost or something like that.

00:01:17.760 So I'm kind of a little rusty on the gaming front.

00:01:19.580 But it's such an important world because there's so many of our young people that are playing these games, right?

00:01:24.580 And all the AAA games have, of course, gone woke.

00:01:27.500 They're all cringe. 0.98

00:01:29.060 It's all garbage in this world, essentially. 0.98

00:01:31.460 So we need some of our guys to do it. 0.96

00:01:33.360 So Roland, welcome to the show.

00:01:35.280 Good to have you here.

00:01:35.820 Hello, Henrik.

00:01:37.380 Thanks for the invitation.

00:01:38.880 I'm very happy to be here.

00:01:40.880 And yeah, as you already said, there is little to add.

00:01:44.060 Computer games are an extremely relevant medium, especially young people, but not only.

00:01:49.180 Also boomers like myself, or Chinese, I guess, technically, are playing.

00:01:57.260 And yeah, I mean, that's one part of it.

00:02:00.740 The other part, I have to be honest here, is I just always had a passion for making games, for playing them.

00:02:06.680 And it's what I always wanted to do.

00:02:08.500 So what did you start with?

00:02:10.600 What did you play when you were young?

00:02:12.620 When I was young, the first thing I played was the games on the Commodore Amiga of my older brother.

00:02:19.500 I must have been like maybe eight or so.

00:02:21.380 Was it Commodore 64?

00:02:23.120 Ah, that was a little bit later.

00:02:24.380 A little bit later, yeah.

00:02:24.960 The Amiga.

00:02:26.700 I'm a bit too young for the 64.

00:02:28.900 My brother had it.

00:02:29.600 He's four years older than me.

00:02:30.720 So we were right there at that cost.

00:02:32.060 My dad bought it, I remember.

00:02:33.180 But yeah, Amiga, I remember I had a friend who had that too.

00:02:35.320 Some great games on Amiga.

00:02:37.660 Absolutely.

00:02:37.980 I was just fascinated by these.

00:02:40.520 I mean, these games back then were different than the games now.

00:02:42.800 They were made by very small teams.

00:02:44.600 Sometimes even just one person or two.

00:02:46.320 There was a lot of, you could say, like the handwriting of single individuals that made the game in them.

00:02:53.420 And some of them were very bizarre, fantastical, psychedelic, even weird.

00:03:00.080 But from nowadays perspective, everything is very slick and tightly produced and so on.

00:03:07.180 And they just, I don't know, stimulated my imagination.

00:03:10.340 And I always wanted to do that myself.

00:03:12.480 Yeah.

00:03:12.940 Cool.

00:03:13.160 So when did you start working with games, getting into that and wanting to do your own?

00:03:20.160 Yeah.

00:03:20.840 I mean, I started like really early when I was around either 12 or 13.

00:03:27.460 I don't remember exactly.

00:03:29.040 That was in the time before we had internet.

00:03:31.160 So I just walked to the local bookstore and said like, hey, do you have any games on programming?

00:03:35.420 I want to learn that.

00:03:36.220 And then I just ordered some books, I mean, and then I just ordered whichever books kind of sounded like they could be fitting.

00:03:43.200 It was a very tedious way to learn it.

00:03:46.000 But eventually I started writing my first little games when I was maybe 14 or so in BASIC and Turbo Pascal and MS-DOS still.

00:03:54.860 And like text adventures and Pac-Man clones and such things.

00:03:58.400 And I was always very fascinated by this.

00:04:01.520 I just, you know, I copied them on a diskette back then.

00:04:05.180 You still use like diskettes.

00:04:06.580 The floppy disk.

00:04:07.040 The floppy disk.

00:04:07.820 The floppy disk, yeah.

00:04:08.520 I remember.

00:04:09.060 And then gave them to my friends in school and then they played them.

00:04:12.780 And that was just a lot of fun because I just did like, I put in little references and in-chokes that only people from our group would understand.

00:04:20.700 So it was really, I found it fascinating, this idea that I would make these little games and then like my friends could play them, could play in those worlds that I came up with.

00:04:31.500 Of course, exactly.

00:04:32.720 That was a really cool thing.

00:04:34.460 And I just kept doing it.

00:04:36.180 And for some time I lost interest in it a little bit, but I always, up to my like mid-20s and so on, always like sort of dabbled in game dev a little bit.

00:04:47.280 It was a hobby thing.

00:04:48.180 And then I, when I, when I was a bit older, I got into the game development scene here in Austria.

00:04:55.280 I was, I was also hosting like game development events together with friends when, when I started in Vienna, game champs and such things.

00:05:04.100 And it was, that was around 2010, 2011.

00:05:08.700 And that was already when it started that everything became very political.

00:05:13.140 Before that, it was really just like nerd stuff.

00:05:15.820 You know, we didn't really care about all that.

00:05:17.640 We just wanted to play cool games and have fun and play Counter-Strike and Quake at LAN parties and shoot each other and have fun.

00:05:25.120 But, but, but it, it, it, I noticed it that it was like creeping in.

00:05:29.920 Yeah.

00:05:30.040 Suddenly you had to, when you made like a, like a gaming event, you had to, you had to fill out those like disclaimers that like, I don't know, all, nobody gets discriminated based on gender and blah, blah, blah.

00:05:41.040 So, and then it suddenly, suddenly it was everywhere.

00:05:43.520 And then, and then like Anita Sarkeesian came up and then this whole family is being a gaming thing.

00:05:50.300 And, and suddenly, yeah, it's Gamergate.

00:05:53.380 Yeah.

00:05:53.940 And, and suddenly it was from like nerdy guys who listen to metal and like to play games where you shoot each other to like, yeah, let's play games about, I don't know, exploring our gender identity and queerness in games and all that.

00:06:08.560 And so that was, yeah, that really was a turnoff.

00:06:12.760 And I kind of stopped, like I kind of retweeted from that whole scene.

00:06:16.640 And it was also around the time when I became politically active.

00:06:19.520 I was a political activist in Generation Identity for some years.

00:06:22.840 Nice.

00:06:23.640 Where I also was active together with Martin Sena and a bunch of others.

00:06:27.980 And we did like our actions in Austria, unrolling banners on, on buildings and all that stuff.

00:06:33.700 Yeah.

00:06:34.080 Great, great stuff.

00:06:35.000 That's what, that was a wild time.

00:06:38.700 And eventually I came to the point where I, I still, despite all of that in the background, I was always kind of interested in game development.

00:06:48.660 And at some point I felt like I just want to combine these two things because it has been my lifelong passion and I'm a political activist.

00:06:54.660 So why not make political games?

00:06:56.620 There you go.

00:06:56.640 Exactly.

00:06:57.100 The obvious thing.

00:06:58.420 Perfect marriage.

00:07:00.020 Exactly.

00:07:01.220 And it was born like Heimat Defender.

00:07:04.260 My first game that I, that I, my first political game under the moniker of cult games kind of came to be as just like, it was just like an offhanded remark in a conversation with, with one of my fellow activists.

00:07:16.580 Like, hey, we could make a game, blah, blah, blah.

00:07:17.940 And I don't know, one thing led to another.

00:07:19.340 And in the beginning I didn't take it very serious.

00:07:21.080 It was more of a joke to be honest.

00:07:22.340 But it kind of grew.

00:07:24.300 And then I, I was working together with these people also from our circles.

00:07:30.240 Ein Prozent, it's a German, yeah, like, like they fund patriotic projects.

00:07:36.140 And so they gave me some money.

00:07:37.660 So I would develop this game into like a full blown game.

00:07:40.800 And yeah, so I did.

00:07:43.240 And it was like Heimat Defender, the first game.

00:07:46.700 It was a bit of a, an homage to like the, I guess the right wing circles I was in at the time in, in, in, in Austria and in Germany.

00:07:58.340 I put in like real life people like Martin Sena and a bunch of others from Germany.

00:08:04.800 And, and.

00:08:05.820 So it means hometown, right?

00:08:07.140 Hometown Defender.

00:08:08.960 Heimat is, is homeland.

00:08:10.440 Homeland.

00:08:10.980 Okay.

00:08:11.120 Homeland.

00:08:11.620 Okay.

00:08:11.820 It's a German word that is hard to translate.

00:08:14.200 It's, it means homeland, but it's just, it's the place where you're at home.

00:08:17.480 It can also be like a more metaphorical thing where you have your roots.

00:08:24.340 Yeah.

00:08:24.840 So, so I, I made this game and it's, it's, it's, it's a relatively simple platformer.

00:08:32.080 Of course, the resources were very limited.

00:08:34.040 I was basically making it on my own together with a, with a friend who made the music.

00:08:38.780 Retro Rebel, very talented musician.

00:08:40.740 Um, and it's, uh, yeah, it was like a platformer, relatively simple game in a kind of like a dystopian

00:08:50.680 cyberpunk setting, very satirical, uh, lots of like poking fun, uh, at, at, at, at current

00:08:57.900 politicians and, and real life things.

00:09:00.700 Um, so, so, uh, yeah, like, like kind of like humoristic approach to the whole thing.

00:09:06.240 Let's put it like that.

00:09:07.740 And yeah, we released it and it, it definitely, uh, found quite the echo.

00:09:12.960 Like there was a lot of outrage.

00:09:15.480 Um, um, as I already mentioned in our talk, like before we started, uh, the game was eventually

00:09:21.920 banned in Germany.

00:09:23.140 Um, it was put on the list of youth endangering media, which is a very special thing that you

00:09:28.800 only have in Germany.

00:09:29.600 Um, there are also classic games like Doom and Half-Life have been on for many years.

00:09:34.580 So I personally see that as, as, as like a big honor.

00:09:38.520 Really?

00:09:39.420 Are those on there?

00:09:40.620 Really?

00:09:41.640 Uh, I mean, they are not on there any, any more, um, but Half-Life has been, has been on

00:09:46.120 that list for a long time actually.

00:09:47.920 And, um.

00:09:48.360 Half-Life, why?

00:09:49.500 You know why?

00:09:50.120 Yeah, because, yeah, every, every game that was, basically every first person shooter,

00:09:54.220 every game that was somewhat violent, they were extremely strict with that for a long

00:09:58.460 time.

00:09:58.720 Oh, gotcha.

00:09:59.360 Okay.

00:09:59.840 Right.

00:10:00.260 Um, I mean, the original idea is maybe not even so bad.

00:10:03.800 You just have this authority that, uh, was, you know, if something is like, I don't know,

00:10:08.340 pornographic or like very degenerate or extremely violent or so, then you don't want to make

00:10:13.120 it accessible to, to, to young people.

00:10:15.320 Okay.

00:10:15.540 Fair enough.

00:10:16.940 But now that's flipped, right?

00:10:19.220 So now it's like, yeah, actually let's push it on the kids.

00:10:21.800 Yeah, actually.

00:10:22.960 Yeah.

00:10:23.300 Yeah.

00:10:23.740 Because my game was literally banned because one of the reasons was that it's, uh, it's,

00:10:28.360 it's, it's, uh, homophobia because, uh, yeah, because I was making fun of certain, uh,

00:10:33.760 developments.

00:10:34.340 Yeah.

00:10:34.800 Let's feel like that.

00:10:35.660 And, and, uh, so I guess it wasn't, it wasn't gay enough. 0.98

00:10:41.620 More gay. 1.00

00:10:42.980 Come on. 1.00

00:10:43.240 Yeah, we need more gay. 1.00

00:10:43.980 We need more gay here. 1.00

00:10:45.800 Crank up the gay. 1.00

00:10:48.100 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:49.140 Uh, it was, it was really ridiculous.

00:10:50.900 I read the, the, the, uh, justification.

00:10:52.860 It was like a 30 page document where they meticulously went through all the game and, and

00:10:57.560 interpreted what I, what they think I meant with it.

00:11:01.860 I mean, they also just literally got a lot of stuff wrong. 1.00

00:11:05.380 Like a lot of it is just bullshit. 0.99

00:11:06.700 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:07.120 Um, but yeah, whatever.

00:11:09.540 So that that's an official like a position someone holds at the government that are going

00:11:14.620 through these games and, and yeah, interpreting this and yeah.

00:11:18.280 Not directly the government.

00:11:19.800 It's a formally independent, uh, uh, uh, authority, no, not authority, but you know, like, um, an

00:11:27.380 administrative thing, whatever.

00:11:29.280 Okay.

00:11:29.820 Yeah.

00:11:30.080 It's not part of the government, but, um, it is legally binding.

00:11:33.960 Like, uh, if you advertise this game now, or just mention its name publicly, you can get

00:11:39.100 a fine, um, and, um, this, this, this office, uh, the Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährende

00:11:46.240 Medien has been, um, like they, they, they have to have some other authority that approaches

00:11:52.320 them and tells them like, listen, here is this medium, check it, whether it's youth endangering

00:11:57.240 and put it on the list.

00:11:58.500 If you think it is in our case, it was the Bundeskriminalamt, like literally the, the criminal

00:12:03.980 police, the criminal police, uh, that, that, uh, approached them because apparently the

00:12:09.700 police was concerned about our game.

00:12:12.500 So, I mean, it's, it's like, again, it's like a retro platformer.

00:12:15.820 That's just mostly just, it's in my opinion, relatively harmless jokes.

00:12:20.720 Yeah.

00:12:20.980 I know completely other types of games out there.

00:12:24.200 Yeah.

00:12:25.200 Yep.

00:12:26.200 Exactly.

00:12:27.200 They are a lot more violent and so on.

00:12:28.200 Yeah.

00:12:29.200 I mean, whatever.

00:12:30.200 Is this just in Austria or is it, is it in Germany too, other European countries as far

00:12:34.200 as you know?

00:12:35.200 Uh, that's only in Germany.

00:12:36.200 Like Austria actually doesn't have that.

00:12:38.200 Austria was always the, the country where everybody went to, to, to get all those games

00:12:42.200 that you couldn't get in Germany.

00:12:43.200 Oh, okay.

00:12:44.200 Okay.

00:12:45.200 Gotcha.

00:12:46.200 All right.

00:12:47.200 So that's kind of my, my advantage in this, in this, uh, situation actually, since I'm in

00:12:50.200 Austria, because it doesn't concern me.

00:12:52.200 I can talk about the game as much as I want.

00:12:54.200 Yeah.

00:12:55.200 Nobody can find me.

00:12:56.200 But if, if somebody else in Germany would, I don't know, make a stream like we do now

00:13:01.200 and, and after the words Heimat Defender, they might get a fine.

00:13:04.200 If they're in Germany.

00:13:05.200 Even like an independent podcast or whatever.

00:13:08.200 Yeah.

00:13:09.200 Yeah.

00:13:10.200 Yeah.

00:13:11.200 Absolutely.

00:13:12.200 Everybody, everybody.

00:13:13.200 And somehow people are supposed to know this too.

00:13:14.200 That's fascinating, right?

00:13:15.200 How they should be kept up with this, you know?

00:13:16.200 Yeah.

00:13:17.200 Obviously every German citizen constantly reads the list of used endangering media.

00:13:21.200 Obviously.

00:13:22.200 Right.

00:13:23.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:24.200 Yes.

00:13:25.200 Yeah.

00:13:26.200 Yeah.

00:13:27.200 Cause you have a few hit pieces here, obviously vice, right?

00:13:28.200 A German, which is, I guess then technically not true, right?

00:13:31.200 Austrian for four, right group is trying to recruit kids with a free video game. 0.99

00:13:35.200 Holy shit. 1.00

00:13:36.200 Stop the presses. 1.00

00:13:37.200 Yeah.

00:13:38.200 Experts.

00:13:39.200 Here we go with the experts against are concerned.

00:13:41.200 The game could be an effective gateway for newcomers into radical right ideology for the identitarians.

00:13:47.200 Yeah.

00:13:48.200 Because the left never used any kind of cultural means to get people involved into their political

00:13:52.200 scene, right?

00:13:53.200 No, they would never do that.

00:13:54.200 Never do that.

00:13:55.200 Never.

00:13:56.200 Whose goal is to mainstream the narrative that quote, the great replacement engineered by elites

00:14:00.200 is taking place through immigration into Europe.

00:14:03.200 Yeah.

00:14:04.200 That's totally not happening.

00:14:05.200 Yeah.

00:14:06.200 That's a delusion.

00:14:07.200 I don't know why I'm so delusional.

00:14:08.200 Yeah.

00:14:09.200 That I believe such a thing.

00:14:10.200 Here's a couple of maybe German papers, right?

00:14:13.200 Nude Kurier.

00:14:14.200 Yeah.

00:14:15.200 It says, yeah, right-wing computer game is propaganda for easy to influence, for easily

00:14:21.200 influenceable youth.

00:14:23.200 Yeah.

00:14:24.200 Okay.

00:14:25.200 Holy smokes.

00:14:26.200 Here we go.

00:14:27.200 No Child's Play, the Identitarian Movement's patriotic video game by Global Network on Extremism

00:14:32.200 and Technology.

00:14:33.200 Man, they're really concerned with this.

00:14:36.200 Yeah.

00:14:37.200 So many different groups out there, like looking at this all the time.

00:14:40.200 And it's like, I mean, it's a little bit of whack-a-mole, I guess, for them.

00:14:43.200 But for now, since it's not like, you know, it's not thousands of these, you know, kind

00:14:48.200 of more right-wing nationalistic game manufacturers, they can kind of whack them down where they

00:14:51.200 pop up a little bit.

00:14:52.200 But eventually, hopefully they will like not be able to keep up with this, right?

00:14:56.200 That's the idea.

00:14:58.200 And that's also why I'm very busy or why it's one of my goals to like foster, not just one

00:15:07.200 that there is one developer with me, but I want to have like a scene.

00:15:12.200 I want to have like...

00:15:13.200 Yeah.

00:15:14.200 Because you kind of need a scene, you need multiple people that can, I don't know, influence

00:15:17.200 each other, ping pong ideas off and so on.

00:15:19.200 Competition, pressure, you know.

00:15:21.200 Competition.

00:15:22.200 Yep, yep.

00:15:23.200 All of that, inspiration.

00:15:24.200 Exactly.

00:15:25.200 I can talk about that a bit later, what we're doing in that regard.

00:15:28.200 Sure, yeah.

00:15:29.200 Yeah, they were really concerned.

00:15:31.200 They banned the game.

00:15:32.200 It got also kicked off of Steam, by the way.

00:15:34.200 Yes, I was going to ask you about that.

00:15:35.200 So when was that?

00:15:36.200 When was the Steam boot coming down?

00:15:38.200 Actually, even before the game was even officially available there, we put it in for...

00:15:43.200 Yeah, we put the game up for review.

00:15:45.200 It was interesting because we put the game up for review and it's like the Steam review

00:15:50.200 process usually takes a week or two where they take a look at the game.

00:15:53.200 They're usually not very strict.

00:15:55.200 They just kind of check whether it works, whether there's malware in there, whether there's

00:15:59.200 something extremely offensive that is very obvious.

00:16:01.200 But apart from that, they don't really care much usually.

00:16:03.200 Okay.

00:16:04.200 So in the beginning, it all went fine and they went ahead with the review and we announced

00:16:10.200 that we would put the game on Steam, but it was still under reviewed.

00:16:14.200 But there was already like a shop page with a message coming soon.

00:16:18.200 Yeah, like a pre-order or something.

00:16:20.200 Exactly.

00:16:21.200 Yeah.

00:16:22.200 And then when the shitstorm started, when all the media reports came in, when all the

00:16:28.200 stuff happened with the...

00:16:30.200 I'm pretty sure that the government actually intervened there with Steam because normally

00:16:35.200 Steam doesn't really care much about like minor media shitstorms or something.

00:16:39.200 So because suddenly after initially the review process went completely normal, they said

00:16:44.200 like, yeah, due to the nature of your game, we actually needed to have like an age rating.

00:16:49.200 So we would have to get an age rating, which would have cost a bit of money.

00:16:52.200 Okay, whatever.

00:16:53.200 We were actually going to do that.

00:16:55.200 But then like two days later, another message came, no, we have deleted your game because

00:17:01.200 it's a troll game and we don't want to ever do business with you again.

00:17:05.200 Oh, my God.

00:17:07.200 And that was the end of it.

00:17:09.200 So before we ever even had the game on Steam, like for sale, not for sale because it was

00:17:15.200 for free, but for download, it got taken off again.

00:17:18.200 But it already had the shop page and so on.

00:17:21.200 Is there any other platforms you would like to be?

00:17:24.200 I mean, I'm not sure if these games are developable for like the App Store or for Android.

00:17:29.200 Any of those types of platforms?

00:17:31.200 Have you tried or have you just like it's not worth it?

00:17:34.200 I mean, this game that we are like the first game and also the game we're currently working

00:17:39.200 on is for desktop PCs and also its design is for desktop PCs.

00:17:44.200 It would be a bit of effort to adopt them to a mobile device.

00:17:48.200 Yeah.

00:17:49.200 We might do that eventually if there is enough demand for it.

00:17:53.200 And then we'll see if we can put it in the app stores.

00:17:57.200 I mean, I don't really think that Apple would keep us.

00:18:01.200 I guess not.

00:18:02.200 Maybe Android.

00:18:04.200 I mean, with Android, you can at least have people download the application.

00:18:08.200 Exactly.

00:18:09.200 Yeah.

00:18:10.200 But how many people do that?

00:18:12.200 I don't know.

00:18:13.200 It's all app stores these days.

00:18:14.200 That's what sucks about it.

00:18:16.200 It's like ended up in a few hands.

00:18:17.200 And it's kind of the same with Steam.

00:18:19.200 I mean, what is it like?

00:18:21.200 Does Google?

00:18:22.200 Do they have the arcade?

00:18:23.200 Has that even taken off?

00:18:24.200 Is that a thing?

00:18:25.200 Not really.

00:18:26.200 Not really.

00:18:27.200 Okay.

00:18:28.200 There is Steam, which is, you know, the monopolies.

00:18:31.200 The major one.

00:18:32.200 Yeah.

00:18:33.200 Yeah.

00:18:34.200 It's the biggest.

00:18:35.200 Then there's Epic Game Store, which is becoming, you know, a good competition to Steam.

00:18:40.200 But Steam is still the biggest.

00:18:41.200 And then there is Good Old Games, which is a bit smaller.

00:18:44.200 But, yeah, I mean, there are some smaller ones.

00:18:46.200 But it's mainly Steam, Epic Game Store, and Good Old Games.

00:18:49.200 And, I mean, I doubt they would keep the game.

00:18:54.200 If they get pressure, they always, eventually, they always fold if pressure.

00:18:58.200 Yeah.

00:18:59.200 If it's enough.

00:19:00.200 Because if it's enough pressure.

00:19:02.200 And, basically, we will sell the game over our website.

00:19:08.200 We will have our own shop.

00:19:10.200 And maybe this shop, if we make more games in the future, if other developers who want

00:19:15.200 to sell their games separately from the big stores, we can maybe turn that eventually

00:19:23.200 into a platform for selling, you know, dissident, non-conformist, whatever, games.

00:19:29.200 So, that is also something I kind of have in the back of my mind, but that's its own project

00:19:34.200 again.

00:19:35.200 Yeah.

00:19:36.200 These things take time and effort and, you know, manpower, lots of hours.

00:19:39.200 You don't just, you know, do it overnight like that.

00:19:42.200 Yeah.

00:19:43.200 And money.

00:19:44.200 That's something that many people...

00:19:45.200 Yeah.

00:19:46.200 It's because, like, everybody has to pay their rent, and it's not something you can

00:19:50.200 do, like, it's a full-time job.

00:19:51.200 Exactly.

00:19:52.200 That's just it.

00:19:53.200 Well, and that's why we need our guys to have these positions.

00:19:56.200 We need more like this, whether it's, you know, people engaging in music or other art

00:20:01.200 forms, movies, television shows, independent stuff.

00:20:04.200 And, you know, AI and all that stuff, it's a two-edged sword.

00:20:08.200 I'm not sure even what, if any, aid in the development you can use there in terms of

00:20:14.200 game developments, whether it's, you know, generative AI in terms of actually developing

00:20:18.200 graphics or whether it's...

00:20:19.200 Or even if you want to do that, I'm not even sure what the legal, you know, is there

00:20:23.200 licenses involved, but anyway, I'm bringing it up because, obviously, you know, wherever

00:20:29.200 people stand on AI, whether it's good, whether we should use it, do we use it for propaganda,

00:20:33.200 should we stay away from it, blah, blah, blah.

00:20:35.200 But the reality of it is, it is going to be used to generate and create content that

00:20:40.200 people are going to consume.

00:20:41.200 That's just a fact.

00:20:42.200 It's already happening, obviously.

00:20:43.200 But, like, things have freed up quite a bit as well.

00:20:47.200 It's getting cheaper.

00:20:48.200 And you can do a lot more today than you could just even a few years ago with a lot of tools

00:20:51.200 and things like that.

00:20:52.200 Granted, everyone has that to their, you know, to their advantage.

00:20:56.200 So then, of course, the bar gets higher and higher and so forth.

00:20:58.200 But is that something you're looking into at all?

00:21:00.200 Is there any tools out there these days that are much more helpful in terms of, you know,

00:21:04.200 developing some of these games?

00:21:07.200 Yeah, AI is, of course, a big topic.

00:21:11.200 And at first, I was more, I was also, I found it, I mean, it's quite an impressive technology.

00:21:18.200 And I can see why people are scared of it.

00:21:21.200 It is a bit scary.

00:21:22.200 You know, there is some really, yeah, uncanny stuff going on there.

00:21:27.200 So I can see why people react to that like that.

00:21:30.200 And I was also like that a bit in the beginning when I looked into it a bit more.

00:21:35.200 I mean, it's also a bit of a, I mean, it's not a fad because the technology is here to stay.

00:21:41.200 And it is very transformative.

00:21:44.200 But it's also not, like, I don't think it's going to replace, it's going to replace maybe some like, you know, more like simpler tech, tech jobs, like, or also maybe some run of the mill art creation that is already very generic, that is probably easy to emulate via AI.

00:22:07.200 But from what I've seen so far, I do use ChatGPT sometimes to help me with coding, not because I can't code it myself, but because it's just faster.

00:22:16.200 Right.

00:22:17.200 I see just like as a, when I was starting out with programming, like, I just had like three books, and that's it.

00:22:23.200 And then eventually the internet came along and search machines came along and Google.

00:22:27.200 And then it just became a part of programming that you obviously would Google all the time, because you can't keep all of that stuff in your head.

00:22:35.200 Right, yeah.

00:22:36.200 It just makes you more efficient and more effective if you can, if you can use search machines to get all the information at any time.

00:22:42.200 And AI, generative AI language models like ChatGPT are in a way the next step for that.

00:22:49.200 I can, if there is like some, if I don't know the specifics of some API that I'm using in my code, instead of having to dig through all the documentation, I just can ask the AI and it's faster.

00:23:01.200 Okay, that's cool.

00:23:02.200 But I have also made the experience, if I use it to actually write some more complex code or longer parts of code, then it's very quickly, it gets murky and it makes mistakes and you basically have to do it yourself.

00:23:18.200 Yeah, then you don't know where you are or where the errors are or you have to go through it all manually yourself.

00:23:24.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:25.200 That could be.

00:23:26.200 Exactly.

00:23:27.200 Sometimes actually, sometimes I think it actually took me longer than if I would have just written it myself.

00:23:31.200 In a way, I hope it's a little bit like it was in the 1950s with like a nuclear technology, we'll have flying cars, you know, by like 1980 or whatever.

00:23:43.200 Maybe, but I mean, some parts of it is definitely, I'm just thinking of this, like how immersive these environments, and ultimately these will be, the idea of a game slash a movie will probably kind of merge at some point, right?

00:23:57.200 And you will just be able to be in these worlds and stuff and I'm, you know, that fear I have, it's like, man, a lot of people are going to spend a lot of time in those environments, man-made, all their own dreams and preferences.

00:24:10.900 Someone even showed, I saw it today, someone who generated like, oh, Sweden in the 60s, right, and was AI generated.

00:24:16.600 And I'm looking at this and I'm like, at some point, considering what's happening out there in the streets now, right, with just the misery with everything and us being replaced and the overall, you know, kind of, what does he call it, bowling alone, right?

00:24:32.800 Forget the, forget the author's name, who did the seminal work on multiculturalism, his argument was, makes people closed in, right?

00:24:40.240 They don't want to engage as much with the outside world, they don't want to engage in their community, they tend to sit at home more, watch television more, that's one of the pluses, of course, with wonderful multiculturalism and diversity, right?

00:24:50.340 So, my point is, you can just see a lot of people would just, instead of then engaging in the real world, instead of actually, you know, doing something, they would just flee into like a VR world where like everything is like they want it to, an idyllic world, you know, kind of thing.

00:25:06.020 And it scares me a little bit, because I think it will be a very easy choice at some point here, you know?

00:25:11.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:12.780 What part AI will really play in that, or whether it's overhyped, or whether it really can eventually do that, that it's just like on a whim creates your perfect utopian world that you personally want to live in, and then you never have to leave the house again, or so.

00:25:31.200 I can't really foresee that at the moment.

00:25:33.600 But in one way or another, this is, of course, a trend that has got to continue, and that's happening, that technology is more and more used for escapism, and it's created specifically in such a way, especially modern AAA computer games are created specifically in such a way that they drain as much of your time as possible.

00:25:55.120 You're supposed to spend as much of your lifetime in those games as possible, so they can also monetize them in an optimal way, and then they basically are designed to addict you.

00:26:07.740 It's like digital crack.

00:26:10.040 So you can make, you can do like really bad things with games, and a lot of those modern AAA games, like I hate them, really.

00:26:18.360 Like this whole monetizing, monetization concept of season passes, where you don't buy a game, and then you play it for some hours, and then you do something else.

00:26:28.740 Instead, you only subscribe to seasons, and then you have to constantly resubscribe again.

00:26:34.280 Everything is a service, right?

00:26:35.620 Everything is a service.

00:26:37.000 Games is a service, and so on.

00:26:38.500 So that's, that's horrible, and I hate it, and I have no, because of course, you know, if you are a right-wing, and you make video games,

00:26:45.300 there will always be people that are like very critical of that, and why do you make video games?

00:26:49.640 They are degenerate, you know, go outside, touch some grass, whatever.

00:26:54.160 I get that, but I have a different perspective on that.

00:26:57.380 I see this in art form, and just like movies and music, and there is a lot of really horrible music out there,

00:27:03.100 and there is a lot of really horrible movies out there.

00:27:04.960 It doesn't discredit the entire medium in itself, in my opinion.

00:27:10.440 Yeah, and it's always something we can use to our advantage as well.

00:27:15.400 Exactly.

00:27:15.860 You know, we talked about that before we came on, but a lot of, you know, nationalists and dissidents, right-wingers,

00:27:21.400 whatever you want to call it, have, you know, facts, and it's statistics, and it's numbers,

00:27:26.600 and look, here's the truth, you know, kind of thing, and all those things are important,

00:27:29.580 and it needs to be backed by that.

00:27:31.260 But at the end of the day, we've been very bad at engaging people with their emotions, right,

00:27:36.760 and kind of hooked them a little bit, and that's, of course, what the left and many of our enemies out there

00:27:41.780 have been very good at doing, right?

00:27:43.520 All of it is almost emotional.

00:27:44.920 It's not even anything of the other, in fact.

00:27:48.340 And so we have to kind of engage in that world, like you do, and like others do as well,

00:27:52.960 and produce content and do things that are available for people that want a different side of this, right?

00:27:59.800 And, you know, hopefully, as you said, more and more people will come along.

00:28:03.540 It will get better and better, more resources will be poured into it,

00:28:06.940 and as we go along, we can be there and actually offer something else as well,

00:28:10.480 and engaging people in the emotions.

00:28:11.720 I say the movie thing is very much this, right?

00:28:14.240 I think a lot of us have been hooked, or a lot of, I should say,

00:28:18.540 a lot of people in the West overall were swayed, right, by the other side,

00:28:24.880 because they've grown up with these movies and stuff.

00:28:27.660 It's all emotional, and we have virtually none of that, I'd say, at this point, right?

00:28:32.360 Yeah, that is true.

00:28:36.180 We actually really have almost none, and that's something that kind of like,

00:28:42.500 the realization that hit me some time ago, because I was very much thinking like,

00:28:47.300 yeah, we're building like a counterculture here and so on, but are we really?

00:28:50.620 We're mostly just talking about the same things ever over and over again,

00:28:54.780 and I mean, these are important things.

00:28:56.020 I'm not saying you shouldn't talk about them.

00:28:57.460 But what really is there?

00:29:00.540 Like, what right-wing or, I mean, it's a difficult topic,

00:29:06.340 but let's just, for the sake of simplicity, say right-wing music, right-wing art.

00:29:10.560 There is there that you listen to on a daily basis, that touches your heart,

00:29:14.980 that makes you feel better, that makes you feel good when you're down,

00:29:20.960 that makes you motivated to go out and do stuff.

00:29:24.480 I don't know, that you're just like engaging in your everyday life,

00:29:28.820 maybe even not so much on an ideological ground, but just because you like it,

00:29:33.440 because it's something that you like and that is good, that is well-made.

00:29:37.700 Yes.

00:29:38.120 That has quality to it.

00:29:39.020 Exactly.

00:29:40.020 And in some cases, they'd be like, if we're going to exclude the AIDS and have something,

00:29:43.900 you know what I mean?

00:29:44.380 Like, actually, that's just well-produced and still good,

00:29:47.060 but it doesn't have any of the poison that is now always in there.

00:29:50.460 Even that would be positive in and of itself, however.

00:29:52.960 That would already be an achievement, yeah.

00:29:54.740 Exactly.

00:29:55.320 But if you can, an additional layer to that, right,

00:29:58.120 of actually adding, you know, good messages and, you know, yeah,

00:30:01.720 take stabs at some of the cringe mainstream cultural now,

00:30:04.380 because the left always had this, like, oh, we're counterculture and blah, blah, blah.

00:30:09.420 But now, like, well, you have BlackRock on your side now.

00:30:11.740 It's like everyone backs you up.

00:30:13.920 You're it.

00:30:14.660 There's nothing you're fighting against here.

00:30:16.420 Like, everyone agrees with you.

00:30:18.300 We have that position, but not yet kind of fully, I think, actualized that.

00:30:23.980 Like, actually, we are kind of our, you know, we're the hip, cool outsiders now.

00:30:28.760 We have to work.

00:30:29.480 We have to use that a little bit.

00:30:30.520 You know what I mean?

00:30:31.360 Of sorts.

00:30:31.860 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:32.840 I always, I'm a late millennial Gen Xer,

00:30:37.200 and I also grew up with this notion that popular culture, music, et cetera,

00:30:41.660 it's rebellious.

00:30:42.600 It's like anti-establishment.

00:30:44.100 Like, we are the outsiders.

00:30:46.040 I mean, in hindsight, that was very naive,

00:30:47.760 because obviously that was, like, you know, music produced, like,

00:30:52.240 with a lot of money behind it, and it was the mainstream.

00:30:54.860 Yeah.

00:30:55.160 But it always was.

00:30:57.980 But, yeah, I had that in that view, of course.

00:31:01.320 And so it comes natural for me that, like, now I do this, you know,

00:31:05.240 how I actually do this when I grew up with as a kid.

00:31:09.300 Only for me it's obvious that me as a right-winger, like,

00:31:13.300 I'm the anti-establishment guy here.

00:31:15.940 But it also, I also found out quickly what it actually means if you're really

00:31:19.780 anti-establishment and not fake anti-establishment.

00:31:22.880 It's true.

00:31:23.300 Yeah, you get banned.

00:31:24.460 The game gets banned and everything, yeah.

00:31:25.660 I know.

00:31:26.160 Yeah.

00:31:26.460 But what you said is, like, a very important thing for me that I think a lot about

00:31:33.660 these days when I'm working on our current game, that you remove the pause,

00:31:41.120 and then you add some of our own, yeah, ideas into it.

00:31:45.720 And how far should you go with that?

00:31:47.680 How blatant should you be?

00:31:49.060 How subtle should you be?

00:31:50.420 Because the first game we made, Hammer Defender, was not subtle at all.

00:31:54.060 It was very obvious, born out of my political activism.

00:31:58.780 And now with our new game, I still want it to be political.

00:32:01.900 I still want it to be, like, very, yeah, have a very clear message.

00:32:06.160 But at the same time, it should just work as a game.

00:32:09.020 It should be a good game.

00:32:10.060 People should like playing it.

00:32:11.440 They shouldn't just play it because, okay, it's right-wing,

00:32:13.600 so I guess I have to play it now because there is nothing else that's right-wing.

00:32:18.300 So it should be, you know, it should work as a game.

00:32:21.100 It should be, should have an interesting world that people want to, like,

00:32:27.200 immerse themselves into and so on.

00:32:29.120 And that's, like, also criticism I got from, or not a criticism,

00:32:34.000 but a feedback I got, which I found really interesting from a friend of mine.

00:32:37.380 He played the game, and he said, man, it's like a waste.

00:32:41.080 Your game is so beautiful.

00:32:42.180 And this is all just to make fun of trannies? 1.00

00:32:46.000 Exactly.

00:32:46.800 Is that even worth it?

00:32:48.360 Yeah, it's like, it's like, I get what, I absolutely get what he was getting at.

00:32:53.660 But, I mean, the game is not just about making fun of trannies. 1.00

00:32:55.740 Sure, sure, yeah. 0.98

00:32:56.480 We are making fun of trannies. 1.00

00:32:58.960 But there is a lot of other stuff in there also.

00:33:02.040 There's, like, positive, like, things that not just, like, that I make fun of,

00:33:06.980 but that represent something actually uplifting.

00:33:10.660 Like, you're fighting this evil corporation in the cyberpunk future.

00:33:15.220 But there is also, there is this kind of hideout.

00:33:19.720 I mean, we will see that later when we play the game.

00:33:23.240 But there is also, like, I have the negative aspect and the positive aspect,

00:33:27.660 and it's both in the game.

00:33:28.500 It's not just focusing on the negative.

00:33:30.240 That's what is important to me.

00:33:32.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:33.620 Yeah, because sometimes, yeah, it's like, yes, I understand exactly what you mean.

00:33:38.360 And you can get, sometimes you get that in music, too.

00:33:41.000 It's like this, well, this is not, you know, this is anti, you know,

00:33:43.760 mainstream culture, leftist culture.

00:33:45.320 So, therefore, here, let me shove this in your face of, like, our messages.

00:33:49.600 And it's almost, like, too much, you know what I mean?

00:33:51.740 Or, like, it's just all in your face.

00:33:54.080 And sometimes you just have to kind of back off.

00:33:55.620 And, yeah, this would be more subtle and stuff.

00:33:58.100 But, you know, you work these things out.

00:34:00.900 That's an art form in and of itself.

00:34:02.920 It's a process.

00:34:04.140 It's an evolution.

00:34:05.020 Like, this game is definitely a lot more, a lot less blatant,

00:34:10.380 or whatever you want to call it, than the first one.

00:34:12.820 I think the next game we will make, I mean, I hope we will make more games

00:34:16.100 if this one is successful.

00:34:17.460 Yeah.

00:34:18.120 It all depends on the success of this one.

00:34:22.040 Probably won't be political.

00:34:24.200 It will be politically in some way, but not explicitly political.

00:34:28.500 Or maybe not.

00:34:29.380 I'm not sure yet.

00:34:30.120 But I definitely want to make at least one game at some point

00:34:33.420 that just tells a story.

00:34:36.040 That probably transports certain values and ideas that we have.

00:34:43.020 Yeah.

00:34:43.360 That are important to us.

00:34:44.980 But not, like, this game very clearly, the Great Rebellion,

00:34:48.720 very clearly refers to, like, the current events and current trends and such.

00:34:57.040 But you can tell so many stories.

00:34:58.580 I mean, I don't know.

00:34:59.320 Look at Zono's Tricet, but look at The Lord of the Rings.

00:35:02.740 It's a great, timeless story that you can read a lot out of.

00:35:08.560 You can interpret many things into it, but it's not completely obvious.

00:35:14.100 It's not like one thing means exactly that.

00:35:17.020 Tolkien himself actually didn't like this analogous way of reading his book,

00:35:22.380 like this means that, and this means that.

00:35:24.020 Exactly.

00:35:24.420 Yep.

00:35:24.860 I remember that.

00:35:25.580 And then that's also kind of something I'm, let's say, I'm working towards.

00:35:30.280 It's a process.

00:35:32.080 Yeah.

00:35:32.280 With every game, I learn more.

00:35:35.280 Yes, exactly.

00:35:36.600 Yeah, with music, I've heard that sometimes.

00:35:38.440 And it's fine.

00:35:39.140 You know, people are trying, but yeah, subtlety is very important.

00:35:42.160 You want to leave that, you kind of want to leave room, right?

00:35:44.520 And that's what I even feel with modern movies.

00:35:46.260 I mean, you know, itself, there's like, yes, it's propaganda in them,

00:35:49.140 but they're like, it's just like a wall.

00:35:52.040 You know what I mean?

00:35:52.740 It's constant, whether it's, you know, the action, the music, the pace,

00:35:56.700 the cutting, and whatever.

00:35:57.920 Just you go back a couple of decades and watch something.

00:35:59.860 It was much more of an art form, and you're invited into it.

00:36:03.020 You know what I mean?

00:36:03.320 And you become part of it, and you're in it, as opposed to just this,

00:36:06.460 like, here's all our messages.

00:36:07.780 I'm not saying that this is that, or any people in the right does that,

00:36:10.720 but I'm saying leftist culture, mainstream culture does that these days.

00:36:14.120 If here's, let me shove these, you know, first two minutes of this new TV show, 1.00

00:36:18.260 let me shove all the degenerate crap in your face right away. 0.99

00:36:21.660 And he's like, all right, okay, I'm turning that off. 1.00

00:36:23.920 The propaganda has really gotten a lot worse.

00:36:26.780 There is this, I'm sure you know American Krogan.

00:36:29.700 Yes, of course, yeah.

00:36:30.600 And he was on Guide to Culture, and they talked about this movie, 0.84

00:36:36.120 A Time to Kill, I think it was called, where, like, this black guy's daughter, 1.00

00:36:40.780 I think, gets raped and killed by a bunch of white rednecks, 1.00

00:36:45.740 as is, of course, constantly happening in real life. 1.00

00:36:49.120 And then he kills them, and yeah, whatever. 0.80

00:36:52.100 But it's a well-made movie. 0.99

00:36:53.480 It's, like, objectively a good movie.

00:36:54.980 It's well-written, great actors, everything.

00:36:57.100 I saw it as a kid myself, this movie, and I didn't realize that it was propaganda.

00:37:01.800 I just thought, oh, I guess that's how it is, like, in the United States.

00:37:04.440 Yeah.

00:37:04.620 I just took it for, yeah, it's a good movie.

00:37:06.880 Yeah.

00:37:07.020 I liked watching it.

00:37:08.180 Yep.

00:37:08.480 So that was good propaganda, but they've gotten really sloppy.

00:37:12.240 They have gotten sloppy.

00:37:13.320 That's just it.

00:37:13.860 It's fascinating that they get lazy, and they just think they got it now in the bag.

00:37:17.700 And, of course, that's producing now, when it gets too obvious,

00:37:20.440 then it's producing a lot of more, yeah, pushback against those things, essentially.

00:37:26.300 And therefore, the need for, like, something outside of those realms.

00:37:29.620 Most people just kind of revert back a few decades.

00:37:31.380 I just watch older movies or whatever.

00:37:33.500 But I wish we had, you know, I think we'll get there.

00:37:36.080 But, you know, more movies, newer movies, movies that people like us make.

00:37:39.760 And still, you know, good men.

00:37:41.180 There's so many stories that can and should be told that I'm just feeling we're, like, forgetting.

00:37:45.320 Whether it's, you know, old European stories about our own history, about our own heritage,

00:37:49.500 you know, about those things, our own myths.

00:37:52.100 You know, there's so much there that can just be dug into.

00:37:54.520 Or the current thing that's happening, the pain and the hurt from our experiences and us and seeing our kids growing up.

00:38:06.320 And in some parts, there are minorities now in our own country.

00:38:08.560 I think those stories need to be told, you know what I mean?

00:38:10.600 And they need to be told in an emotional way that gets this across, that people connect with.

00:38:15.460 That's what I think, anyway.

00:38:16.200 Yeah, that's very true.

00:38:18.520 That's a very good point.

00:38:19.440 Like, we would have lots of stories to tell.

00:38:23.200 Stories about things that we experience ourselves.

00:38:25.660 And, I mean, I personally am a fan of the whole cyberpunk genre.

00:38:30.900 I guess you can also see it in the games.

00:38:32.220 And cyberpunk is dealing with certain, yeah, technological developments and social trends and developments.

00:38:41.780 But it's a product of mostly liberal writers from the late 80s, early 90s, maybe.

00:38:49.240 So that reflects also in them.

00:38:51.040 And there are many topics that are just completely, like, never touched.

00:38:54.700 Like, yeah, ethnic conflicts, the results of multiculturalism. 0.90

00:39:01.240 And in all these stories, like, that's just kind of, like, glossed over.

00:39:07.000 So you could write a lot of stories that deal with that in a realistic way.

00:39:12.100 Of course, you would probably also get banned if you do that.

00:39:14.680 But, yeah, there are many stories.

00:39:16.800 Yeah, we just have to tell stories.

00:39:18.880 I know it's hard, and it's also, like, it's hard in the sense that you have to, like, kind of force yourself sometimes if you're politically active.

00:39:27.420 Because, at least in my experience, there is often this thinking, like, but that's a waste of time.

00:39:32.960 You know, I have to be active now.

00:39:35.080 I can't, like, make video games or play video games or tell stories or so.

00:39:40.320 But, yeah, at least some people, and not everybody, I think, has the right mindset for that or character or whatever.

00:39:49.680 But some people who are good at this stuff, they really need to get to it, basically.

00:39:57.580 Yeah, the natural talent that's there, I think it's better to hone that than to try to force something that you're maybe not good at.

00:40:05.100 Or would, you know what I mean, like, you would do kind of a half-assed job at that or whatever.

00:40:08.920 Yeah, use the talents, you know, anyone, you know, listening, watching this out there as well.

00:40:13.700 Yeah, use your talent.

00:40:14.360 Find some way of tapping that into still doing something that's good and pushing things in our direction, if you will.

00:40:21.880 But still something that you're passionate about, that you like to do.

00:40:24.640 Because you'll do a better job at it at the same time.

00:40:26.840 As opposed to force in something and going against, you know, your own, you know, kind of what you want to do.

00:40:31.420 So, no, that's a perfect marriage there.

00:40:33.340 And obviously, we'll play here in a little bit.

00:40:35.320 So, the Great Rebellion, that's the follow-up game here.

00:40:39.700 Heimat Defender.

00:40:42.000 Obviously, I think of the Great Reset at the same time.

00:40:44.720 You know, there are a lot of those kinds of themes in there.

00:40:46.860 Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about the name for the new game.

00:40:50.780 Because, of course, Heimat Defender is now like a bird name in Germany.

00:40:54.040 You can't use it anymore if you want to advertise the new game.

00:40:56.880 It's called Heimat Defender 2 or so.

00:40:58.600 But also, creatively, it has moved a bit away from the first game.

00:41:04.520 So, it was, I think, appropriate to give it a different name.

00:41:07.060 And the Great Rebellion, it's like, it kind of like came very naturally.

00:41:09.900 Because it could either be interpreted as the counter to the Great Reset or the Great Replacement.

00:41:16.160 Whichever you prefer.

00:41:16.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:41:17.980 Yep, of course.

00:41:18.860 And that's basically the title.

00:41:20.100 And it's, yeah, we really tried to put in, like, deeper gameplay, more involving gameplay.

00:41:29.980 Just, yeah, just improving the game a lot.

00:41:33.060 Like, I wanted to try out some new technologies that I've not been, that I've never done something with before.

00:41:39.940 The levels in this game are quasi-randomly generated.

00:41:43.460 So, it's a little bit different every time you play it.

00:41:45.980 Oh, interesting.

00:41:46.380 Because that's something I really wanted to try out for a long time.

00:41:50.080 Like, procedural generation of the game world.

00:41:53.000 And so, we have, like, a dynamic soundtrack.

00:41:56.220 When you enter a room with enemies, then the music gets more, you know, a bit more, like, action.

00:42:03.400 Like, faster, you know, more adrenaline pumping.

00:42:07.760 And such things.

00:42:09.000 So, we really tried to up the quality of it.

00:42:12.220 I mean, sure, we are still working on a shoestring budget and with very limited resources.

00:42:17.040 But, I mean, the team is also bigger.

00:42:19.500 The first game, as I said, was mostly made by two people, Retro Rebel and me.

00:42:23.480 And I'm still the only full-time dev.

00:42:26.700 But I do get quite some support from other people who work in their free time on the game.

00:42:33.560 There's two more developers that have joined over the course of the development of the game.

00:42:39.000 Some people helping me with graphics.

00:42:40.680 I have a good friend of mine from England who writes all the texts.

00:42:45.200 So, it's very international.

00:42:46.260 Like, people from the UK, from Denmark, from France, from Germany, Austria.

00:42:52.360 And, yeah.

00:42:53.820 And the United States are, in some way or another, involved with this game.

00:42:58.660 So, yeah.

00:42:59.120 Nice, nice.

00:43:00.340 All right.

00:43:00.640 Well, let's fire this up here a little bit, huh?

00:43:03.360 We've got to check this out.

00:43:05.020 But I'll play a little bit here, too.

00:43:07.680 And you can, yeah.

00:43:08.520 If you want to have some input on top of it or something.

00:43:11.900 Is it my computer?

00:43:12.300 Yeah.

00:43:12.580 Well, one thing I have to, like, a little disclaimer.

00:43:15.820 This is work in progress.

00:43:17.240 This is just the current version as is.

00:43:20.100 I'm pretty sure there is a bug in the intro, which we will probably encounter.

00:43:23.360 But it should be fine.

00:43:25.080 All right.

00:43:25.740 We just pretend we haven't seen anything.

00:43:27.520 Oh, no.

00:43:27.900 It's all good.

00:43:28.220 Okay.

00:43:28.520 That's it.

00:43:28.820 Don't worry about it.

00:43:29.280 All right.

00:43:31.060 So, we'll do a new game here.

00:43:33.260 All right.

00:43:33.740 You're playing with mouse, right?

00:43:35.140 Yes.

00:43:35.580 Yep.

00:43:35.780 Definitely.

00:43:36.160 Mouse.

00:43:36.600 Yep.

00:43:37.440 So, affirmative.

00:43:38.080 Select game mode.

00:43:38.820 Affirmative action.

00:43:39.580 The training mode.

00:43:40.260 If you die, you only replay the current level.

00:43:43.940 You're cheating.

00:43:44.900 Your guns, cash, and health are reset to how they were before you started the first level.

00:43:49.180 You can also replay any previous level as many times as you want.

00:43:52.180 You won't get to see the real ending of the game, though.

00:43:55.980 There you go.

00:43:56.300 Or a white male.

00:43:57.800 The difficulty setting for real gamers contains permadeath, meaning if you die, you lose all

00:44:02.760 your weapons and items and have to start at level one again.

00:44:07.360 You can, however, keep all your black market upgrades.

00:44:10.580 Well, I'm not a gamer, but I have to play as white male. 0.81

00:44:14.340 Okay.

00:44:14.860 Easy.

00:44:15.440 I think we'll pick that because I'm not usually...

00:44:17.360 I haven't played in a long time.

00:44:18.300 My son, Rourke, is just getting into playing some games now, so I'm, like, reviving my Steam

00:44:23.200 account here for the first time, playing a couple of games, you know what I mean, here

00:44:27.380 and there.

00:44:28.800 All right, here we go.

00:44:33.100 All right, there's 20XX.

00:44:34.220 Many years ago, globalist oligarchs formed the immensely powerful corporation for global

00:44:38.420 homogenization.

00:44:39.460 There you go.

00:44:40.280 In the first half of the 21st century, many terrible crises have unfolded.

00:44:43.540 From the ashes, a new system emerged.

00:44:46.880 The corporation now owns everything, and we own nothing.

00:44:52.220 How nice.

00:44:53.380 We also got a singer to contribute to the soundtrack.

00:44:58.280 Oh, cool.

00:44:58.920 In here.

00:44:59.620 Nice.

00:44:59.960 So we also have some real vocals in there, which are really...

00:45:03.540 Nice.

00:45:04.560 Yeah, I like the style of it.

00:45:06.240 They systematically destroyed the hopes that our world was built on and replaced it with 0.99

00:45:10.580 their own global governance.

00:45:11.920 All things are now registered in the digital cyberverse.

00:45:14.600 Every animal, tree, bird, marriage, contract, or person.

00:45:18.420 And every move, dream, and interaction.

00:45:21.220 Every thoughts are...

00:45:22.960 Or your very thoughts, I should say, are legally theirs.

00:45:26.300 There we go.

00:45:27.020 That's the pod man right there.

00:45:29.420 Majority of people in what used to be Europe have been transformed into so-called beyond humans. 0.99

00:45:34.400 We've got the transhumanist element here.

00:45:35.700 Once human beings, now genetically altered and controlled by implants in their brains.

00:45:39.840 Man's essence to the new overlords is nothing but a source of errors in need of fixing.

00:45:46.060 Identity, heritage, fate, outdated concepts, hindrances to an AI-controlled heaven.

00:45:53.460 Nice.

00:45:54.240 Well, not nice, but you know.

00:45:56.360 After showing most people into rootless drones, the next step will be to reset the world and

00:46:01.120 remove the human factor from the equation entirely.

00:46:03.840 Some high-tier members of the corporation hatched a new sinister plan and are swarming around

00:46:08.660 a new shadowy leader.

00:46:10.640 The goal?

00:46:11.480 Build the world back better into an automated system that they have absolute control over.

00:46:20.400 But there are some who resist.

00:46:22.340 Here's the story of those who oppose the global machine.

00:46:24.380 This is the story of the Great Rebellion.

00:46:27.220 All right.

00:46:30.600 Another day is about to start in Euroland.

00:46:32.980 I'm narrating for some of the podcast audience here, too.

00:46:35.420 It's hard for the music to start show over again, huh?

00:46:51.980 It says there, I refuse to go along with this any longer.

00:46:54.340 I've seen the lies.

00:46:55.700 The corporation doesn't have anything over me anymore.

00:46:58.420 I'm not a domesticated animal. 1.00

00:47:00.480 Welcome to Europe, technocrat scum. 1.00

00:47:02.740 You're a disease, and I'm the cure. 1.00

00:47:05.820 Let's go. 0.99

00:47:06.480 That's the protagonist.

00:47:08.160 He decides he's had enough of this.

00:47:09.700 That's it.

00:47:10.540 In his pod.

00:47:11.800 Time to get out of your pod and go to work.

00:47:13.820 Human 10...

00:47:14.520 Do you want to tell...

00:47:16.200 What's the significance of that?

00:47:17.620 1028?

00:47:18.240 Human 1028?

00:47:20.480 It's a reference to Bible Wars, actually.

00:47:23.720 Oh, okay.

00:47:24.740 Yeah.

00:47:25.120 Time to go to work.

00:47:25.940 Smash this chip back into the supercomputer it came from.

00:47:30.460 Maybe this is also something I should talk about.

00:47:32.740 Like, we are a relatively diverse team in certain ways, and we also have people of different

00:47:39.480 religious, yeah, beliefs.

00:47:42.280 Of course.

00:47:42.900 In our team.

00:47:43.300 Yeah.

00:47:43.460 And the guy who wrote the text is Orthodox, but we also have people who are more like pagans

00:47:50.000 or...

00:47:50.960 Yeah.

00:47:51.320 That's the way to do it.

00:47:52.440 Get a good mix.

00:47:54.480 Europeans are diverse.

00:47:55.600 We don't need any other diversity. 0.79

00:47:56.740 Let me put it that way.

00:47:57.320 Exactly.

00:47:58.840 Okay.

00:47:59.200 So, scanning your face, checking against blockchain facial recognition data, logging in.

00:48:03.480 Welcome to the Cyberverse Citizen 1028.

00:48:05.620 We're updating your needs and necessities.

00:48:07.560 We've noticed you have spare digital currency.

00:48:10.100 Well, that's about to come, right?

00:48:11.300 Savings are illegal.

00:48:12.360 Of course it is.

00:48:13.200 We have added you to another subscription service, so this currency can continue to circulate.

00:48:17.660 Please enjoy your new subscription to the Pretty Little Ponies Cosplay Meetups. 0.98

00:48:24.220 Holy shit. 0.99

00:48:25.260 All right. 0.99

00:48:25.500 So, this is...

00:48:26.360 Here you can indulge a little bit in the life that people have in this world.

00:48:31.020 So, products, rent, sexual food, order synthetic food, post your opinions to social... 1.00

00:48:34.580 Oh, damn. 0.99

00:48:34.960 We don't want to... 1.00

00:48:35.240 Let's get some synthetic food. 0.89

00:48:37.100 That's...

00:48:37.540 Welcome to incredible...

00:48:40.220 Inedible.

00:48:41.680 I can't believe it's not food.

00:48:43.300 Please wait while we scan the blockchain for your recent meal data.

00:48:46.680 We've noticed you have been eating a lot of organic food recently.

00:48:50.380 You ate a potato from your friend's garden.

00:48:52.700 This potato was not grown in one of our labs.

00:48:54.820 We're downgrading you from synthetic meat to our bug-based diet.

00:49:00.560 We have a surplus of spider spinach.

00:49:03.260 Minus two social credit points.

00:49:05.500 There you go.

00:49:06.540 All right.

00:49:07.300 Cool.

00:49:07.880 So, now you have to just keep on running without taking a finger off the...

00:49:13.440 I hope it worked.

00:49:14.380 Oh, it worked.

00:49:14.960 Okay.

00:49:15.600 Just keep going.

00:49:16.140 Keep moving.

00:49:17.340 But it's all good.

00:49:18.180 There's some good stuff.

00:49:18.940 I think we have...

00:49:20.060 Is that Tariq Nasheed up there?

00:49:22.280 Top right?

00:49:23.620 Maybe.

00:49:24.400 Maybe he was there.

00:49:26.720 It looks like white people battle. 0.63

00:49:28.320 So, this is your workplace with all the inspirational corporate art, of course.

00:49:32.640 Exactly.

00:49:33.280 Yeah.

00:49:33.540 Worshipping the bearded diversity higher up there. 0.99

00:49:37.020 Good morning, citizen.

00:49:38.320 Good morning, citizen.

00:49:38.460 The world of human 1028.

00:49:40.860 Upload your dream data to the blockchain.

00:49:42.740 No, it's been cooler than the day to see that you are not having any incorrect dreams.

00:49:50.620 Thank you for uploading your dream data to the global home home blockchain.

00:49:54.380 Okay.

00:49:55.940 It will be analyzed according to our compass and community guideline rules.

00:49:59.020 You've received a green pass value for the next 24 hours and may not proceed.

00:50:02.800 All right.

00:50:03.080 Oh, I've got to grab it first.

00:50:04.260 There we go. 0.98

00:50:05.560 Black trans people are scared. 0.98

00:50:06.740 There we go. 0.99

00:50:07.940 Stop.

00:50:08.320 You're no longer required for work.

00:50:10.600 The new Beyond Human model will be taking your place.

00:50:14.800 Go home now and consume product, human number 1028.

00:50:19.200 Exit the building the same way you came in.

00:50:21.300 Okay.

00:50:21.500 I can't move on.

00:50:23.740 Okay.

00:50:24.140 He's saying the same thing there.

00:50:25.020 Okay.

00:50:25.220 All right.

00:50:25.700 Let's head back.

00:50:27.640 Can I get some more stuff?

00:50:30.400 No?

00:50:30.680 Okay.

00:50:31.740 Hey, Tariq.

00:50:35.620 There we go.

00:50:36.740 It's a violation here.

00:50:37.920 Safety rules.

00:50:39.540 You've removed your safety and tracking microchip. 0.98

00:50:42.040 You must be sick.

00:50:42.780 We're closing your central banking digital currency account. 0.99

00:50:45.580 Prepare for quarantine, human 28. 1.00

00:50:47.380 Shit. 1.00

00:50:48.480 Recalculating. 1.00

00:50:48.980 You must be educated or exterminated. 0.99

00:50:50.820 You're a threat to equality as laid out by the community standards of the corporation 0.99

00:50:55.360 for global homogenization. 0.87

00:50:56.940 As a white person, you're not entitled to a trial in order to atone for your privilege.

00:51:03.060 Computing.

00:51:05.020 Uh-oh.

00:51:05.340 What is that?

00:51:07.620 I'm Europa.

00:51:08.740 There's no time to explain.

00:51:09.840 Come with me if you want to live.

00:51:12.680 All right.

00:51:16.400 Yeah.

00:51:16.800 So that's the introduction.

00:51:17.880 And now you're going to the tutorial where you learn the controls and all that.

00:51:21.480 Okay.

00:51:21.780 Cool.

00:51:22.140 Europa has transported you to safety and shows you ropes.

00:51:26.280 Yay.

00:51:27.740 Hey, wake up.

00:51:28.400 Robert guards.

00:51:29.200 Scream data living in a pot on the rule of an oppressive multinational corporation that 1.00

00:51:32.560 polices your every thought.

00:51:34.120 You must have hit your head pretty hard.

00:51:36.340 I'm not teleporting you.

00:51:37.120 I'm just kidding.

00:51:37.580 That's all very much the reality of the situation.

00:51:39.480 I just like to mess with people after they've been through a portal for the first time.

00:51:42.880 It's okay.

00:51:43.600 They're still alive.

00:51:44.340 I promise.

00:51:44.840 You are now safe in my realm.

00:51:46.280 I've brought you here for your training.

00:51:48.160 Here you can practice new abilities I've given you.

00:51:50.060 Follow me.

00:51:51.760 Okay.

00:51:52.520 I jumped there.

00:51:54.340 I've been partying with the physical fitness of heroes of the Bronze Age.

00:51:57.920 Nice.

00:52:00.120 You can now perform a double jump.

00:52:02.720 Go over the gap and jump.

00:52:03.920 Then jump again in midair to perform a double jump and reach the other side.

00:52:09.420 Whoa.

00:52:10.020 Almost.

00:52:10.440 There we go.

00:52:12.940 Tutorial.

00:52:13.820 I tell you, I'm rusty on the video game front.

00:52:15.860 Shoot down the three drones to progress.

00:52:19.000 We'd active with them to make them harmless. 0.92

00:52:20.840 They can't hurt you.

00:52:22.460 I think you have to talk to her again.

00:52:24.500 Okay.

00:52:24.940 Yeah.

00:52:25.580 Well done.

00:52:25.960 You're going to use your new physical fitness.

00:52:27.420 Now you will need to practice using laser weapons.

00:52:30.180 It is safe.

00:52:31.340 They only damage robots and cyborgs.

00:52:33.360 In fact, our weapons are actually free.

00:52:35.540 Actually free the Europeans trapped inside the corporation's box. 1.00

00:52:38.520 Okay. 0.60

00:52:38.760 Shoot down the three drones to progress. 0.66

00:52:40.820 We've active with them.

00:52:41.760 Okay.

00:52:43.760 Is it written?

00:52:44.420 Oh, mouse button.

00:52:45.440 Okay.

00:52:45.540 Yeah.

00:52:46.800 Now you have to aim with the mouse.

00:52:48.660 Oh, there you go.

00:52:49.340 Okay.

00:52:49.500 I got you.

00:52:50.120 I got you.

00:52:51.120 I got you.

00:52:51.640 I got you.

00:52:52.220 Made this as a little nod to the old Sonic the Hedgehog games.

00:52:55.580 Gotcha.

00:52:56.020 Okay.

00:52:56.340 Yeah.

00:52:56.460 I didn't get that I can look around.

00:52:58.760 I'm not sure.

00:52:59.360 That's how you shoot.

00:53:00.140 Maybe platform games are like that these days.

00:53:02.140 They use both like that.

00:53:03.280 Yeah.

00:53:03.520 It's a bit of a departure from the basic classic platforming formula.

00:53:09.800 It's more like a shooter platformer.

00:53:11.480 I got you.

00:53:12.880 Okay.

00:53:13.180 Okay.

00:53:15.340 We'll get a couple more.

00:53:19.860 Turn that up a little bit.

00:53:20.860 Oh, so there's a European inside of each drone there, huh? 0.99

00:53:23.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:23.820 You don't actually kill your enemies.

00:53:26.040 You just free them.

00:53:26.540 You free them.

00:53:27.240 Okay.

00:53:27.360 Yeah, that's nice.

00:53:28.220 I like that.

00:53:28.940 Your next ability.

00:53:29.600 Well, not that that's anything wrong with, you know, taking out your enemy, but you know

00:53:33.540 what I mean.

00:53:34.420 Sure.

00:53:34.880 But we, you know, I mean, there is also legal reasons why we have to keep it as well as free

00:53:39.040 as possible.

00:53:39.460 Of course.

00:53:40.100 Exactly.

00:53:40.580 No, you got to be smart to think outside the box.

00:53:42.520 Your next ability.

00:53:43.040 It makes you creative, you know.

00:53:44.760 Exactly.

00:53:45.340 Yep.

00:53:46.520 Your next ability comes courtesy of Hermes.

00:53:48.900 Nice.

00:53:49.260 The messenger god.

00:53:50.120 You can now dash by pressing the right mouse button.

00:53:52.960 You always dash in the direction you're aiming.

00:53:55.540 Okay.

00:53:55.680 To get the platform above, you have to use your dash in combination with your double jump.

00:53:59.580 Double jumping alone won't be enough to get you over some obstacles.

00:54:02.220 While dashing, you can't also be hurt.

00:54:04.260 Okay.

00:54:07.220 So you'll dash in the direction you're aiming.

00:54:10.260 Of the arrows?

00:54:12.940 Where you are.

00:54:14.760 Where the mouse button goes.

00:54:15.860 Okay.

00:54:16.620 So I can go.

00:54:19.700 Oh, there we go.

00:54:20.840 I see.

00:54:22.960 Ah.

00:54:23.120 Ah.

00:54:23.820 Almost.

00:54:25.180 See, this is my, there's my boomer.

00:54:28.880 So the controls are a bit half-lakes.

00:54:32.960 Oh, so I dash.

00:54:35.020 Oh, I see.

00:54:35.440 I dash forward.

00:54:36.380 Let me try that again.

00:54:39.020 Ah.

00:54:40.080 You dash where the mouse pointer is.

00:54:43.040 So basically just point upwards with the mouse.

00:54:46.060 I'll do this now.

00:54:46.660 Then you'll dash.

00:54:48.740 I'm going to hold it.

00:54:51.940 There we go.

00:54:52.740 Yeah.

00:54:53.500 Got it.

00:54:54.580 Ah, this little boomer, huh?

00:54:55.740 Not bad.

00:54:56.240 Five tries.

00:54:59.060 It's okay. 1.00

00:55:02.020 Shoot, guys. 0.90

00:55:03.540 Oh, I forgot. 0.99

00:55:03.940 Oh, yeah.

00:55:04.140 You can, you can dash.

00:55:05.500 Yeah.

00:55:06.040 You can talk to her.

00:55:06.880 Then she will explain it to her.

00:55:07.740 But basically, I can also tell you, you can just dash through these.

00:55:11.280 Okay.

00:55:11.780 I'm going to put a feature dashable.

00:55:12.960 Is that you're involved?

00:55:13.780 Oh, okay.

00:55:14.260 While I'm using it.

00:55:15.140 That's right.

00:55:15.440 She said that you can't be hurt while you're using it.

00:55:17.240 Okay.

00:55:17.460 Got it.

00:55:17.860 So basically, you have to use that, especially for some boss enemies.

00:55:21.820 Okay.

00:55:22.340 Because otherwise, you can't dodge the bullets.

00:55:25.540 Okay.

00:55:26.100 Okay.

00:55:26.940 That's it.

00:55:28.200 And I don't have to.

00:55:29.460 You can just do.

00:55:31.040 Oh.

00:55:31.500 Wait.

00:55:32.480 There we go.

00:55:33.140 Okay.

00:55:33.440 Gotcha.

00:55:35.760 And it's okay again.

00:55:36.900 Now, you can only jump through certain platforms from below.

00:55:39.440 You can also let yourself fall through them.

00:55:41.600 Because down on the platform, up one's below you now.

00:55:43.880 Okay.

00:55:44.080 There we go.

00:55:44.500 Cool.

00:55:44.780 All right.

00:55:45.300 Nice.

00:55:46.500 So this is why these tutorials, you know, many people are already involved in that.

00:55:49.860 Like, I know what to do, all the things.

00:55:51.100 But you actually, you do actually need them.

00:55:53.260 Because there's always something, you know what I mean?

00:55:54.860 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:55:55.740 I mean, sure, if you play these games a lot, then you will know most of it.

00:55:59.220 But, yeah, so many people have been dumbfounded without it.

00:56:06.200 And people don't do manuals anymore.

00:56:07.540 No, they just go.

00:56:09.060 Yep, exactly.

00:56:09.580 So you have to have the game explain it to you.

00:56:11.900 But it will be in the final game.

00:56:13.560 If you have once played the tutorial, you can just skip it.

00:56:16.240 So you don't have to do that.

00:56:17.080 Exactly.

00:56:17.400 Exactly.

00:56:17.680 Exactly.

00:56:23.200 Okay.

00:56:24.760 Yeah, this is fun.

00:56:26.100 Well done, fitting in everyone's room.

00:56:27.760 Let's open a portal.

00:56:29.920 Now, in your auto map, you can scroll around and see the entire level by clicking and dragging

00:56:33.820 on the map if you need to get somewhere.

00:56:35.360 Quickly select a portal.

00:56:37.760 Okay, portals are shown on the auto map.

00:56:39.840 Click one and instantly teleport to that room.

00:56:42.120 It's going to be helpful if you're going back to pick up items you may...

00:56:44.180 Well, that's good because you don't have to, like, walk all the way back, right?

00:56:47.380 Yeah, especially in the larger levels.

00:56:50.980 It's something that you can be very boring.

00:56:52.380 And you maybe have, like, an item that you have to pick up or so.

00:56:56.080 You can just teleport around.

00:56:57.900 Oh, I'll talk around again.

00:56:58.820 How do you pull up the auto map again?

00:57:01.120 It's a bit hidden there.

00:57:02.940 You would have to press tab.

00:57:05.180 There's, like, this little...

00:57:06.100 Oh, there we go.

00:57:06.660 Okay, cool.

00:57:07.340 Right, exactly.

00:57:07.960 And you can just click on that little...

00:57:09.740 The green?

00:57:10.080 The thingy there.

00:57:11.280 The portal?

00:57:12.080 The violet.

00:57:12.980 There we go.

00:57:14.160 And if you press tab again, it will close.

00:57:17.140 Oh, okay.

00:57:17.520 There we go.

00:57:18.020 Okay.

00:57:18.400 That's basically it.

00:57:19.140 That's what you have to do.

00:57:20.600 Okay, yeah.

00:57:21.180 To learn that you can...

00:57:22.000 Yeah, you teleport back.

00:57:22.980 Okay, gotcha.

00:57:24.360 Oh, the CES tab there.

00:57:25.720 Look at that.

00:57:26.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:26.560 Okay.

00:57:26.700 Yeah, it was hidden by the prompt that you can talk to.

00:57:30.360 Gotcha, gotcha.

00:57:31.120 Okay.

00:57:31.600 Placed a bit differently.

00:57:33.780 Look, look, here's your...

00:57:34.840 No one.

00:57:35.820 We're getting portal sickness.

00:57:37.600 That is an electronic lock chest.

00:57:39.180 These contain items to the technocats.

00:57:41.140 No one else to have.

00:57:42.280 You will find them through your missions, and they can only be opened with a key card.

00:57:45.500 They can contain magical items that grant you special powers, or they can contain laser weapons.

00:57:50.880 Collect the key card, open the chest, and you'll find a crown of Caesar in this one.

00:57:55.000 Nice.

00:57:55.180 The crown will grant you the ability to damage enemies when you hit them with your dash.

00:57:59.020 Pick it up after you have opened the chest.

00:58:00.900 Okay.

00:58:01.040 Yeah, so basically, you can find all kinds of items in the levels that give you special powers that are usually some reference to some European cultural...

00:58:11.040 That's nice.

00:58:11.720 Yeah, I like that.

00:58:12.240 Whatever, yeah.

00:58:12.960 That's awesome.

00:58:13.360 Like, you can find the crown of Caesar or Alexander the Great's armor and things.

00:58:20.800 That's cool.

00:58:21.360 Yeah, I like that.

00:58:21.920 See, that's the kind of stuff we need, yeah?

00:58:23.700 It's my favorite part.

00:58:25.040 Inside the destructible chest is a spirit companion to pick up.

00:58:28.120 Companions will follow you through anything and give you more special attacks.

00:58:32.180 Again, you press E to pick up the companion.

00:58:34.140 Okay.

00:58:34.700 Companions are partial spirits of historical and mythical figures.

00:58:38.420 This one part of the spirit will be King Arthur.

00:58:40.800 King Arthur can unleash the Knights of the Round Table with his attack.

00:58:43.960 Companion abilities will take short time to recharge before you can use them again.

00:58:47.240 They're a little rusty, as European has mostly forgotten them for so long.

00:58:50.500 You can speed up the recharge by destroying enemies, however.

00:58:53.240 Okay, interesting.

00:58:54.440 So, basically, these companions are very important.

00:58:57.180 You can find them in your level and they will give you special attacks.

00:58:59.800 Now, you have to destroy this. 0.99

00:59:01.380 Just shoot it. 1.00

00:59:02.380 Yeah, just shoot it just. 1.00

00:59:03.780 There you go. 1.00

00:59:04.360 Okay.

00:59:04.580 There he is.

00:59:05.220 Now, you can collect him.

00:59:07.560 And then shift access there, too?

00:59:09.380 Oh, it's okay.

00:59:10.100 I see.

00:59:10.480 I see.

00:59:11.260 And there is this little bar.

00:59:12.480 It takes some time to recharge before you can use it again.

00:59:15.040 It's a very powerful attack.

00:59:16.500 And you can have many of these companions.

00:59:18.300 Five or six of them.

00:59:20.080 They will follow you around.

00:59:21.400 At the same time?

00:59:22.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:23.100 And then you can get very powerful.

00:59:25.800 Okay.

00:59:26.780 And there is also, you can unlock characters throughout the game that you can talk with.

00:59:34.220 And there is one that is kind of based on the historical, like the historian Herodotus.

00:59:43.060 And he will tell you stories about each of the companions you can find in the game.

00:59:48.280 So, like, basically gamers, you know, there is a bit of an educational aspect in it as

00:59:53.300 well.

00:59:53.480 Exactly.

00:59:54.140 That you get to know some of European history.

00:59:56.480 Oh, there it is.

00:59:58.480 Oh, there it is.

00:59:59.100 So, I wanted to really, like, to have this, like, marriage of the old and the new on the

01:00:02.360 one hand.

01:00:02.840 It's like a futuristic cyberpunk setting with laser guns and hacking and cyberspace and

01:00:08.600 everything.

01:00:09.280 I like that.

01:00:09.720 There is also the spirit of old Europe kind of, like, giving you wings, so to say, and

01:00:17.180 helping you out in your fight.

01:00:22.480 Go back to Waldgang, so I use E to go back and check that out. 0.99

01:00:27.480 Exactly.

01:00:27.920 Just always E is the interactive.

01:00:30.200 Interactive, that's right.

01:00:31.140 Yeah.

01:00:31.860 Oh, nice.

01:00:32.260 All right.

01:00:32.640 That's some UFOs there.

01:00:34.080 Mushrooms are UFOs.

01:00:35.060 I like that.

01:00:37.800 Yeah, it's cool.

01:00:38.480 Exactly.

01:00:39.100 European man.

01:00:40.380 I love the Waldgang.

01:00:41.340 This is a truly magical place.

01:00:42.980 I just missed a wind on my face, though.

01:00:44.840 There is a mountain in the center of the forest.

01:00:46.720 I wonder if Europa would let me take some men up there to build a village.

01:00:50.240 Nice.

01:00:50.740 You can talk to these.

01:00:51.740 They are always randomly generated and a bit different every time.

01:00:54.500 Oh, really?

01:00:54.780 And if you talk to these during the mission, I mean, not unlimited, but there's, like,

01:00:59.260 20 different things they can say.

01:01:01.220 That's cool.

01:01:01.640 Okay, that's cool.

01:01:02.900 It's a little, basically, after every mission, you return here to the Waldgang and you can,

01:01:07.160 like, chill a bit, you know, talk to them, buy upgrades.

01:01:10.240 Nice.

01:01:10.600 Okay, so this is, like, your home base kind of place.

01:01:12.660 This is the home base, yeah.

01:01:13.560 Okay, gotcha.

01:01:13.960 And you will find characters throughout the game that you can unlock.

01:01:16.920 Currently, it's still a bit empty, but the longer you play the game, the more characters

01:01:20.700 will be in there and they can give you also, like, bonuses and tell you stories and such.

01:01:25.980 Or here you can watch the news, what's happening outside.

01:01:28.120 Mostly peaceful protesters of color have torn down the big steel tower made by old white men 1.00

01:01:35.000 in the capital of Trade Zone 5 of Euroland.

01:01:37.680 Experts are working to find out the exact socioeconomic factors in which might have caused this.

01:01:42.420 But we can all agree the world is a better place without such relics of a dark past.

01:01:48.080 Come back after your next mission for more news.

01:01:49.900 All right, that's fun.

01:01:50.640 That's cool.

01:01:51.020 So there's always a bit, like, the poking fun at the current world.

01:01:58.420 Yes, I like that.

01:01:59.660 But at the same time, trying to have, like, a better world.

01:02:02.240 I saw, what is that, some, like, cyborg tranny there, too, on the news? 0.99

01:02:05.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:06.000 The news broadcast is like a cyborg tranny. 0.92

01:02:11.480 Cool, I'm just exploring.

01:02:12.520 This is still empty at the moment, but later.

01:02:14.340 Okay, so this fills up or something?

01:02:15.680 Yeah, okay, I'm just checking it out here.

01:02:16.720 It fills up with those characters, yeah.

01:02:18.460 Okay, cool.

01:02:19.600 All right.

01:02:20.060 Make sure we don't make...

01:02:21.060 Oh, no, we got it.

01:02:30.400 The Waldgangs, if I want to get out of here, I should go... 1.00

01:02:33.680 Oh, there's something here.

01:02:34.640 Oh, that's another character there.

01:02:37.500 Let's see.

01:02:37.920 Priestess, we're guarding the Fountain of Youth.

01:02:40.280 It allows us to bring some of the Resistance members back to you if they fail the mission.

01:02:43.300 The Fountain does not accept everyone, though.

01:02:45.000 It only works on a few selected individuals.

01:02:47.220 Okay, interesting.

01:02:47.740 So, basically, if you die, you will be resurrected here and you will lose all your weapons, but

01:02:51.740 there is a certain type of upgrade you can keep.

01:02:55.000 So, even if you die, you have to start all over again, or you at least have to start the

01:02:59.240 current level again.

01:02:59.980 Oh, I see.

01:03:00.440 But you can buy upgrades so that it gets a bit easier next time.

01:03:04.780 So, even if you die, you progress, you make some progress, at least.

01:03:08.580 Okay.

01:03:10.100 Or could I go through that?

01:03:12.320 No. 0.98

01:03:13.160 No, you will automatically spawn here if you die. 0.99

01:03:16.400 If I die, then. 0.99

01:03:17.400 Okay, okay, gotcha.

01:03:18.060 But you can't really do anything here.

01:03:19.400 It's just to explain to people.

01:03:22.640 Because it's a bit confusing.

01:03:23.600 Because you die, and then you have to play the current level again, and it will be randomly

01:03:27.120 generated again.

01:03:28.040 That's the whole roguelike concept.

01:03:31.300 Oh, yeah.

01:03:31.580 There is no real automap in the Valkon.

01:03:33.740 Okay, okay.

01:03:34.500 So, how did I get out of here?

01:03:36.540 Just go to the right.

01:03:37.800 Yeah, actually, there should be an automap.

01:03:39.720 It just isn't in this version.

01:03:40.920 There will be one.

01:03:41.540 Okay, no worries.

01:03:42.880 Okay, this is the black market.

01:03:44.880 Gus Fox.

01:03:45.900 The black market trader.

01:03:47.060 Yeah.

01:03:47.880 Oi, oi.

01:03:48.960 Psst, over here.

01:03:49.760 I'm Gus.

01:03:50.260 Pleased to make your accordance, fella.

01:03:51.940 You're a fella, right?

01:03:53.120 Can't be too careful in 20XX.

01:03:55.800 On your adventures, you're likely to gain negative social credit scores for your, let's just call

01:04:01.620 them extra legal activities.

01:04:04.400 Bring me that social credit after every mission, and I can upgrade your health, movement, ammo,

01:04:10.200 guns, and abilities.

01:04:10.860 You don't have to ask me how, and I don't ask you how you can buy your social credit

01:04:15.100 score.

01:04:15.800 Do we have an understanding, mate?

01:04:17.620 Yes, indeed.

01:04:18.360 So, basically, during the levels, you lose social credit.

01:04:22.320 You always get negative social credit.

01:04:23.940 The less social credit you have, the more credit you have in the Valkon, the more the

01:04:28.540 system hates you, basically, the more respect you have, and then you can get those upgrades

01:04:33.560 from him for the negative social credit score.

01:04:35.400 Nice.

01:04:35.640 So, this is our safe space right here.

01:04:38.320 Basically.

01:04:38.720 A powerful disinformation bot called the Eye has a hold on all the tracking technology

01:04:45.160 in the city.

01:04:46.020 If I open up a portal to the rest of the resistance commandos, we risk being tracked.

01:04:50.760 You must go back to the city and destroy the disinformation bot so I can safely bring them

01:04:54.560 to our base.

01:04:56.020 Okay.

01:04:56.180 The summation information, it makes no difference.

01:04:58.140 I'm the one with the laser gun.

01:05:00.620 Yeah, we made a point of making the protagonist only talk in an action hero one-liner.

01:05:06.000 Oh, okay.

01:05:06.620 Exactly.

01:05:07.220 General rule.

01:05:07.940 Nice.

01:05:08.180 That makes sense.

01:05:12.840 This is a good, wholesome game I can show to Rorick here, you know?

01:05:16.200 My oldest.

01:05:16.980 Yeah, sure.

01:05:17.600 I mean, it's something you can play with your kids.

01:05:19.680 Yeah.

01:05:22.400 Okay, now it's generating the level because it's randomly generated every time.

01:05:27.300 Nice.

01:05:27.600 And now it's done.

01:05:28.940 And now you can press E and then the actual game starts.

01:05:31.580 Okay, there we go.

01:05:32.140 Quite a long intro.

01:05:34.000 Oh, that's fine.

01:05:35.380 It's me that's slow as well.

01:05:36.720 That's why.

01:05:38.820 But, yeah, this is now when the action starts.

01:05:45.240 You can press escape and then you can check your inventory.

01:05:48.140 There you see all your upgrades you have.

01:05:50.400 If you go up there, inventory.

01:05:52.080 Oh, there we go.

01:05:52.800 Yep, okay.

01:05:54.040 Here you can, these are all the upgrades you can get.

01:05:56.600 So you can buy in the black market throughout the game.

01:05:59.340 You currently don't have any.

01:06:00.640 And you have to also unlock some.

01:06:02.180 You will find them in your levels.

01:06:03.480 Gotcha.

01:06:03.840 And you can see your weapons and your items.

01:06:06.180 Okay.

01:06:06.900 Yeah, basically just, yeah.

01:06:10.520 Very nice.

01:06:11.020 So you can see.

01:06:11.660 That's what we do.

01:06:14.180 Nice.

01:06:14.820 Alright.

01:06:26.600 I like the music.

01:06:55.300 In the beginning, in the beginning, we only have this pea shooter, but enemies.

01:06:59.320 That's how it's supposed to be, though.

01:07:00.560 You get a, you know.

01:07:01.980 Like a laser gun.

01:07:03.260 Yep.

01:07:03.720 But the enemy is just like some robots.

01:07:05.780 Like, the enemies are all robots, but we don't have humans as enemies.

01:07:12.760 Exactly.

01:07:15.720 No, that's good.

01:07:16.320 I like that.

01:07:16.880 Because it's really smart.

01:07:21.720 Oh, they start shooting at these, right?

01:07:23.500 Yeah.

01:07:24.020 Okay, here we go.

01:07:24.920 Oh, yeah.

01:07:25.200 Joan of Arc.

01:07:25.860 Yeah, her holy aura clears the bullets around you.

01:07:28.740 Okay, nice.

01:07:29.300 Alright.

01:07:29.420 So basically, if you press shift with her, all the bullets will disappear from there.

01:07:33.020 Okay. 0.98

01:07:40.100 You've got to be careful, because I'm a white male here, so everything will be, I will die. 0.87

01:07:45.480 Oh, okay. 0.81

01:07:46.040 That was a little mine almost or something there.

01:07:47.600 Yeah, and the companions can also disappear.

01:07:50.340 Like, if you get hit, they also take damage and eventually will disappear.

01:07:54.160 Okay.

01:07:54.980 Oh! 0.60

01:07:55.340 So...

01:07:55.780 So...

01:08:06.780 Get him while he's there.

01:08:08.480 It's tricky to hit.

01:08:10.720 Oh, should have used...

01:08:12.000 Oh, I'm right there.

01:08:14.880 Yeah, the press shift.

01:08:16.180 Yeah, just did it.

01:08:17.080 Yeah, there we go.

01:08:20.100 I'm learning.

01:08:21.000 I always...

01:08:21.420 I always have to...

01:08:22.820 It's horrible when you watch something.

01:08:24.360 It's horrible.

01:08:25.000 Like, when you watch someone playing again, you always have to go away.

01:08:27.700 No, no, no, do this.

01:08:28.620 I know, exactly. 1.00

01:08:30.180 Shut up. 1.00

01:08:31.660 Do this, do this, do that. 1.00

01:08:32.900 That's it.

01:08:36.260 You can also hear the bullets that they need to catch into.

01:08:39.820 Oh, you should do that.

01:08:40.760 Okay.

01:08:41.300 So, that's the truth to deal with that.

01:08:47.080 Okay, now you defeated all the enemies in this room, and you lost some social credit.

01:08:51.340 Okay.

01:08:54.100 Yeah.

01:08:56.540 No?

01:08:57.300 Okay.

01:08:58.300 Yeah, these are rooms where you sometimes find unlockable characters or new upgrades.

01:09:04.040 Okay.

01:09:05.900 And if you want to go back, you can just press tab.

01:09:07.900 Okay, that's right.

01:09:08.800 And then just teleport.

01:09:09.740 Back to A.

01:09:11.060 Okay.

01:09:12.200 And then I have to...

01:09:12.880 Just tap it on.

01:09:13.420 Okay, there we go.

01:09:14.500 There we go.

01:09:15.460 That makes sense.

01:09:16.700 So that way you don't have to backtrack so much.

01:09:19.880 Okay.

01:09:20.320 On the top right, you see a little map.

01:09:23.580 Map, exactly.

01:09:24.780 Yep.

01:09:25.160 Where I need to go, is that usually what it shows me?

01:09:28.900 Let's see.

01:09:31.060 Yeah, little posters of Europe and, you know, here and there.

01:09:33.820 Yeah.

01:09:33.940 Like that, yeah.

01:09:36.460 There's some stuff hidden in the background.

01:09:41.120 Yeah, not sure where we're supposed to go.

01:09:43.160 We were in there, right?

01:09:44.180 We came from there.

01:09:46.020 Oh, no?

01:09:46.520 Yeah, but you have to basically go to the right.

01:09:48.800 At this level, it's still relatively simple.

01:09:50.480 You just have to go from left to right.

01:09:51.940 Gotcha.

01:09:52.440 Okay.

01:09:52.900 For the most part. 1.00

01:10:05.860 Damn it. 1.00

01:10:16.520 Okay, let's see. 1.00

01:10:28.080 Have we been there?

01:10:29.620 Oh, let's explore to zero a little bit more.

01:10:31.300 Is there anything else in here?

01:10:32.240 Let me see.

01:10:33.340 Well, here is...

01:10:35.520 Is that something?

01:10:37.520 Oh, no.

01:10:38.120 No, okay.

01:10:39.480 Okay.

01:10:41.400 Now, there's nothing in here anymore,

01:10:44.080 but if you go to the right from this room,

01:10:46.500 there is the shop.

01:10:47.820 Then we'll...

01:10:48.120 Okay, gotcha.

01:10:48.800 Yep.

01:10:49.420 Buy stuff.

01:10:54.420 There's Gus Fox again.

01:10:55.720 Okay, yeah.

01:10:56.180 These are my friends.

01:10:57.040 Good prices.

01:10:57.740 I know you have the look of a lad or ladet.

01:11:00.720 It's 20 XX after all.

01:11:03.040 That can have the wool pulled over their eyes.

01:11:06.680 Okay.

01:11:07.260 If you have a good time in the skin of your teeth, mate,

01:11:09.420 what can I sell you today then?

01:11:11.260 Maka.

01:11:11.540 All right, let's see what we got here.

01:11:13.560 Weapon, lightning rod, price, 100.

01:11:16.040 This character has been written by our guy from the UK

01:11:20.800 who wrote all the text.

01:11:21.660 Good.

01:11:21.880 And he gave him this, like, I guess, Cockney?

01:11:24.960 Oh, yeah, Cockney accent.

01:11:26.400 Exactly.

01:11:26.840 It's going to be fun to just...

01:11:28.500 Oh, he might.

01:11:29.740 So, he really did a great job, I think,

01:11:31.720 at giving the character flavor.

01:11:35.120 So, yeah, you can buy stuff here.

01:11:36.460 Beard.

01:11:36.960 Okay, well, do I have 62?

01:11:39.140 Is that what I have?

01:11:39.660 You have 62, I guess you still have...

01:11:41.380 Okay, there we go.

01:11:41.880 Yeah.

01:11:42.320 So, I'm going to...

01:11:42.780 So, now, he will...

01:11:43.880 If you defeat the boss's enemy, he'll drop more health.

01:11:46.440 And you can also buy key cards to open chest with...

01:11:49.040 Or health.

01:11:49.920 Okay.

01:11:50.260 And weapons, of course.

01:11:51.980 And here you can sell...

01:11:53.440 You can sell weapons.

01:11:54.460 Sell weapons there if I have...

01:11:55.720 Okay, yeah, I see.

01:11:56.760 Let me see.

01:11:59.640 Blaster.

01:12:00.440 Okay.

01:12:00.920 All right, okay.

01:12:01.420 Cool.

01:12:01.720 Okay.

01:12:01.800 Okay.

01:12:01.880 Okay.

01:12:02.380 Okay.

01:12:02.720 Okay.

01:12:02.800 Okay.

01:12:03.300 Okay.

01:12:03.800 Okay.

01:12:03.880 Okay.

01:12:04.380 Okay.

01:12:04.880 Okay.

01:12:05.380 Okay.

01:12:05.880 Okay.

01:12:06.380 Okay.

01:12:06.880 Okay.

01:12:07.880 Okay.

01:12:08.380 Okay.

01:12:09.380 Okay.

01:12:11.540 Yeah, that's armor.

01:12:12.340 That's very helpful.

01:12:13.140 Because if you have armor, if you get hit, first of all, it will trigger like a little

01:12:20.440 attack that will actually damage the enemies to keep you.

01:12:22.880 Okay.

01:12:23.720 And also, if you get hit with armor, your companions don't take damage.

01:12:27.100 So, if you want to protect your companions, it's good to always have armor.

01:12:30.460 And will keep it longer, basically.

01:12:32.540 Now, look at the background there, guys.

01:12:33.960 Groomer Z.

01:12:34.920 yeah groomers yeah groomers like it's an advertisement for whatever you can take what

01:12:42.860 what could groomers be

01:12:44.280 can i go oh no okay

01:12:50.700 i think there was a health up there if you if you count up those up there yeah there we

01:13:13.980 go

01:13:25.980 so the great weapon but sometimes enemies drop like basic weapons okay it's the plasma prototype

01:13:42.840 but it shoots very slow bullets but it's better than nothing

01:13:46.840 well there's a few of them at least that's nice

01:13:53.840 what

01:14:05.840 yeah see this is fun i wish i could do this the rest of the day 0.98

01:14:10.840 this is oh i can't go back oh shit no now you have to keep that okay 0.97

01:14:17.840 that's that's almost 0.99

01:14:24.840 that's almost oh down there okay yep

01:14:31.840 oh

01:14:38.840 oh

01:14:40.840 where's my overall health oh it's up there yeah it's kind of low there yeah uh yeah exactly i see health armor social credit and money and on the top on the bottom left you see your ammunition

01:14:47.840 this is something

01:14:54.840 this is something

01:14:55.840 the jumping thing has always

01:15:10.840 that's

01:15:12.840 you have to jump just so into the platform games that's always funny

01:15:17.840 i know there are people who

01:15:21.840 i personally like it that's a better weapon i think i should take a go

01:15:25.840 oh that that one right there

01:15:27.840 yeah this one okay that's faster too okay yeah there we go

01:15:31.840 there we go yeah that is a better weapon

01:15:38.840 i'm sure we got should we go down there maybe

01:15:42.840 uh

01:15:44.840 try that out

01:15:45.840 usually the hidden objects are always

01:15:48.840 uh

01:15:49.840 okay

01:15:50.840 kind of

01:16:01.840 that

01:16:03.840 what

01:16:04.840 uh

01:16:17.840 or

01:16:18.840 okay so that you really should like clear clear all the rooms type thing yeah exactly okay if you

01:16:28.940 enter a room you have to clear it before you can leave it again gotcha okay yep and some of the

01:16:33.340 rooms are optional but yeah wait if you go down uh there are two more you can kind of see the doors

01:16:41.900 on the on the minimap yeah okay okay now you've got a new one oh okay let me get out of here

01:16:52.560 shelter oh

01:16:55.280 has the white male died is that it yes so it seems he will rise again there we go well this is fun i

01:17:11.220 like i like this it was a good round i'm gonna keep playing some of this later you know yeah

01:17:15.520 it's designed around this this loop you it's basically intended if you die a few times and

01:17:22.340 then you can buy upgrades and then you can progress and so you kind of die through the game gotcha

01:17:27.100 nice no i like it good it's good it's good stuff so uh so tell us a little bit how people can uh

01:17:33.300 or you um when do you anticipate a release can people pre-order the game or how does that work

01:17:38.960 through your site that's primarily where people would get it yeah exactly i mean um as as said like

01:17:45.700 steam etc they'll probably kick us again whatever i don't even want to bother anymore at this point

01:17:50.920 you can you will be able to buy the game through our site uh great slash rebellion.com

01:17:55.600 um we don't really have a possibility to pre-order at the moment because we kind of have to build the

01:18:02.380 shop system still um but it will like i'm pretty optimistic that we will be able to release before

01:18:09.340 christmas still so you can buy the game as a as a present for your loved ones or whatever yeah um

01:18:15.180 and then you can buy it on on our website and um one thing that that i really want to reiterate is

01:18:21.040 like this isn't the one-time thing we want to become an actual game studio we want to keep on making games

01:18:25.840 making games is a lot of work i want to do this full-time and i want other i want to allow other

01:18:31.960 people to do it full-time and all of that stuff basically costs money and so we are really dependent

01:18:38.200 on this game becoming a success so um this will decide basically what we can do in the future

01:18:43.700 so yeah um if you support what we are doing buy our game yeah that's that's i know it sounds it

01:18:51.400 sounds like uh there is this thing among many right-wingers or at least some right-wingers that

01:18:55.920 that you're basically like you know uh it's almost like like dishonorable or something to try and

01:19:04.200 actually make money i know you know what i mean you know yeah no we we need people to do this full

01:19:09.940 time that's the that's the point of it you have to have people that are exactly so why shouldn't you

01:19:14.180 get paid for your work like everybody else does i mean yeah well if we have a bunch of uh i mean

01:19:20.500 let's just be honest that's usually that's just that that's poverty thing that's like you know

01:19:24.620 loser mentality we have yes we should we should have more resources we should have millions at

01:19:29.980 our disposal and do these things and you know inject our messages into into mainstream culture on

01:19:35.220 every level on on every in every uh point and every sphere so that's no no i i don't agree with

01:19:40.820 that at all we have to have more people that are professional that do these things full-time we

01:19:44.840 got to support our own community that's just what it is i mean we don't have any

01:19:47.940 there's no angel investors or like you know massive uh you know sponsors and big corporations

01:19:53.640 and stuff so yeah for for right now it's it's you know support support your people that do stuff like

01:19:58.300 this guys that that's what it's all about uh and the more you know we uh make the better it gets the

01:20:03.360 more time we have the more resources we can get the more resources you have you can do it better etc

01:20:07.700 and then you keep building i mean as i say i mean look at um look at how you know what hollywood was

01:20:13.440 or beginning which we started started talking about that right how the video games were in the beginning

01:20:17.440 it's not that we're starting all over but it's almost like we're you know are in our sphere of

01:20:22.760 things not infected by all these global homo aids everywhere we're essentially starting over right 1.00

01:20:27.860 we're starting small and you have to build that up slowly one piece at a time and and it's going to

01:20:32.900 grow and it's going to snowball i think it's just a matter of time to be honest

01:20:35.640 yeah i think so too and and i see myself kind of like these people these bedroom programmers that

01:20:41.940 were a bit my heroes also when i was a kid when i was a teenager uh people like i don't know

01:20:47.580 richard garriott or sid meyer or something like that uh they they made those games because they

01:20:52.840 had like a real passion and um then built something great out of that passion and i really think that's

01:20:58.800 that's what we need because um as as we already talked about the facts the logic the the the grim

01:21:06.040 reality of the situation that is that is one thing but but people just want to do things that they

01:21:12.160 they feel passionate about that they really love doing yeah like there is a difference between having

01:21:17.380 to do something because you think it's a duty and and just feeling like that fire you just want to do

01:21:22.680 something yeah and i think art of all kind and i do see video games as art even though to be fair most

01:21:28.200 video games these days are very very bad art but it can be art um yeah that that's what what

01:21:35.040 what what drives people to do something out of like this intrinsic motivation that they just want

01:21:40.600 to create yeah and and i think that's what we what we also need yeah yeah no 100 i'm uh i'm with you

01:21:48.020 um yeah i mean good good work this is great i love seeing this i'm glad that we can be we're here

01:21:53.320 um you know i remember dropping this just you know what is it six years seven years eight years ago i

01:21:59.400 can't remember but at some point they're like yeah i remember just having that hey we gotta have like

01:22:03.700 as many people as possible just you know start making stuff produce things be creative have fun

01:22:09.340 with it you know i mean and the more you do that it's going to get easier and easier in a sense i

01:22:14.080 think uh along the way there's going to be more people supporting you the audiences are certainly

01:22:18.840 there i mean you look around there's a lot of people are sick and fed up with everything that's

01:22:22.180 happening um i think there's a lot of discontent out there and and at least initially if we can kind of

01:22:28.100 join that you know work that wave and then making something that's that's a positive out of this as

01:22:35.120 well that's the other uh you know aspect of this where you you change culture you make things more

01:22:39.800 positive you get get people along you make the more white-pilled you realize that there's there's

01:22:44.360 things we can do if we work together we push in one direction but that's just the fact of it it's

01:22:48.580 not like and you've you know stated that i think perfectly as well you can't just have like a bunch

01:22:54.220 of people like all right all right we're going to do this politically i know there's so many people

01:22:57.600 already like oh you know political solution that's over kind of thing well do something in the arts

01:23:02.180 then you know i mean do something on a different level do something in with culture do something

01:23:05.960 with music uh whatever you need to do get involved uh so this is this is good stuff uh what what have

01:23:12.000 we left something out here i want to make sure people follow you guys here as well and keep

01:23:15.100 updates then you guys are interested in getting a copy of the game uh the great rebellion on uh x or

01:23:22.140 or twitter of course you can follow them there you have a telegram channel if you prefer that

01:23:26.600 cult games that's with a v the old way i like that cult games uh true cult exactly cult games on

01:23:34.040 telegram uh and you have the the website same thing there cultgames.com with a v again cultgames.com

01:23:40.140 uh and you have great hyphen rebellion.com for the for the website so you said maybe maybe by christmas

01:23:46.420 that's the eta we hope so i mean if it gets a little bit longer please don't be mad at us

01:23:51.740 oh no we won't but uh i think we can do it yeah all right cool well it's good having here roll

01:23:59.160 anything else we left out uh some some some plugs you want to make or anything else uh you can think

01:24:03.480 of that we've left out i want to give a big shout out to everybody who has helped me uh realize this

01:24:10.160 like it's not just uh me anymore like it's a real team effort the great rebellion um there is uh

01:24:17.020 akramas who is a great uh artist who has been helping us a lot with drawing concept art and and

01:24:22.900 and enemy designs and so on um you can also find her on twitter and on gab and on telegram

01:24:28.820 akramas art um i want to thank every one of our donors because uh we have made a crowdfunding campaign

01:24:38.320 that allowed us to to fund uh the great rebellion or at least to have an initial um capital is that

01:24:45.560 up still or have you closed that now it's not up anymore we we ended it but um yeah we we got some

01:24:52.240 start money and then like the whole the whole process of making that game was really very diy

01:25:00.220 and very improvised i have to say because in the beginning i had no idea whether i would actually

01:25:05.460 be able to pull it off whether i would find people who would fund this but eventually more

01:25:11.600 and more people also came and joined us so so the original concept of the game is completely different

01:25:17.140 than it is now and it was also far lower scale because it was just me but then it grew over time

01:25:22.140 um and and and turned out like it is now and uh yeah i couldn't have done it alone so i just want

01:25:28.580 to thank everybody on our team how long how long does it take you would you say i mean it's different

01:25:33.060 because of you know the scope of it and you can expand it you can do so much more with it but just

01:25:37.020 like generally what would you say like well what's the time frame on something like this i i don't even

01:25:41.520 know i have no idea it's really difficult to say i mean this this game took longer to make i guess

01:25:48.200 and it absolutely had to if you if i would have started out like with everybody already on board and

01:25:53.420 you know just as it is now and we have a certain budget and we know everything then i think we could

01:26:00.980 have probably done it in half the time or so but uh yeah this is very much was like during making the

01:26:06.580 game we were also finding ourselves or whatever you want to call it yeah so that that that's why

01:26:12.600 it took longer but i would say a game like the great rebellion i mean yeah it it just takes

01:26:18.920 a year or two that's yeah so say a couple of years at least right yeah or even three years like

01:26:24.800 you're not gonna do something like that in a few months i mean you can make small games in a few

01:26:30.140 months actually would like to do in the future also just like small very focused games i don't

01:26:35.560 actually want every game to take three years because yeah it's not gonna be a lot of output

01:26:39.460 that way um what you need is multiple people working with these things right that's yes that's

01:26:45.380 what you need so you can just pump out stuff you know i mean yep that's the thing like if we were

01:26:49.200 a team of like i don't know just six seven developers uh then we could we could like work on maybe

01:26:56.420 even two games at the same time and and and put out like two games per year or so yeah um or at

01:27:02.640 least at least one every year and then it would have a bigger scope and be more professionally made

01:27:08.480 and that's that's not even like very uh you know that's not even overly ambitious like i mean this

01:27:14.500 is a very small team size like to play games are made by teams of hundreds of people and they have

01:27:18.860 literally like half a billion of budget or something like that people people have no idea also how much or

01:27:25.520 not no idea but i think sometimes people for instance just a very small casual game uh that

01:27:31.640 has like a small team something that is actually below the scope of great rebellion usually has a

01:27:37.500 budget of something like 200 300 000 euro oh jeez um because you have to pay people full time that's

01:27:44.300 just it exactly a few years salary if you have four or five people that you have to pay that's true

01:27:49.300 time for years that's how much money you need exactly and this is and the money i had to make this game

01:27:54.620 was not even a fraction of that i wish i had that money so i really like want to eventually get out

01:28:01.620 of that yeah that's that's i guess our next goal to get out of that situation where we're just barely

01:28:08.600 scraping by and have to like somehow always find a way to get from month to month like you can

01:28:13.500 uh get beyond that then i think we can already work in a completely different way and also make more

01:28:19.460 professional games more often in in shorter shorter time that's right yeah everyone out there watching

01:28:25.240 listening you know it's like you you're in the in the game world you like this stuff support these

01:28:30.060 guys they need the help they need the uh funds they want to continue they want to do yeah if there

01:28:34.900 are developers out there who want to join us then of course also that's it exactly what's the easiest

01:28:40.880 way to uh get a hold of you if there are uh guys out there um you can just write us a dm on twitter

01:28:45.380 or uh write us an email uh we have a proton mail code games at protonmail.com okay just write this

01:28:51.780 there awesome also something should uh yeah code kvlt games at protonmail.com gotcha perfect well i've

01:29:00.120 enjoyed this this is a lot of fun uh again something different but it's still totally within the sphere

01:29:04.900 of everything we do so i i like that you know one last thing i want to plug once we finally get this

01:29:11.700 game done yeah we want to do our next uh game champ game champs are like little events oh yeah that's

01:29:17.440 right maybe a week or so um where just developers like programmers but also artists musicians graphics

01:29:26.800 artists whatever um they like usually there is a theme um can be really anything uh very abstract

01:29:33.740 usually and then these people form teams and they spontaneously work up an idea for like a mini

01:29:38.800 game like a prototype obviously there's not so much you can do in such a short time but uh yeah

01:29:43.220 this is the heima jam we made we made we did that a few times already and and then people make mini

01:29:48.160 games and uh in the best case scenario um actual projects are being cooked up in such events that

01:29:55.300 will then eventually be turned into real uh full-blown games there is actually um one game in

01:30:02.260 development by people who participated in one of our game champs um that is probably going to be

01:30:07.900 turn into a full-blown game um it's called the last guy um which is also like a very uh spooky or

01:30:15.520 i don't know like a very unsettling kind of like horror game where you are uh also in like a dystopian

01:30:20.780 world and you i think the premise is that you're trying to commit suicide because everything is so

01:30:25.660 horrible but there is this like that basically keeps you completely safe so you just can't and you

01:30:31.760 basically have to find a way how to actually die because uh the system won't let you die or something

01:30:36.600 it's very it's very uh dark but uh yeah um this is something that they came up with uh in one of

01:30:46.180 our uh game champs and yeah we definitely want to do that again i haven't had time for it right now

01:30:50.480 because we're so busy with the game but um that's also something we really want to do so is this uh

01:30:54.580 18th to 20th of march and basically formed former com that was uh last year this is last year okay

01:31:00.340 gotcha yep okay this is already an old one yeah those games that you saw those mini games they were

01:31:04.860 yeah this is the last man yeah this is the prototype and this prototype is now being turned

01:31:08.820 into a real game oh krampus survival that's funny i like that yeah that's cool here's the last man yeah

01:31:16.780 now because i i know that from like i was organizing those game champs back when i was still in the in the

01:31:22.560 in the normal uh game development scene here in austria um we were we were organizing um yeah

01:31:29.440 game champs regularly and it was always a lot of fun and lots of uh and and this is something i i

01:31:36.120 learned uh back then when i was in the game that i've seen and of course most people there were

01:31:41.300 liberals or apolitical or whatever but something i i found amazing there was just this like creative

01:31:48.600 approach like let's just get together and come up with some fun stuff whatever um and and and

01:31:56.320 usually it was also at the same time very productive like as i said like actual projects

01:32:01.980 that are then being turned into real games are born in such events or teams are being formed

01:32:06.400 and this is also something i maybe miss a bit on the right you know this this kind of approach to

01:32:14.800 things it's kind of like easygoing like let's just do something attitude everything is always very

01:32:20.520 serious and very death or survival you know and i mean it is serious i get it i'm not realizing

01:32:27.980 you gotta have some fun too yeah you just have to you gotta live life a little bit yeah no i no i

01:32:35.420 i get i get what you're saying for sure yeah no i totally get it exactly creativity in order for

01:32:39.640 creativity to thrive you need that kind of environment you can't always just be like i don't know you

01:32:45.780 know yeah i know serious reading reading evil lines hating the modern world no it's true exactly

01:32:53.020 relax a little bit no it's it's uh it's definitely uh that's how you do it though you got to kind of

01:32:57.040 smash uh smash some heads together so to speak uh and you know forget that you know creativity to

01:33:02.660 come out you bounce off each other you you you know you figure out what works or whatnot uh i i had

01:33:08.180 no idea how common you know kind of that is but it's just like a band i guess right you jam you got

01:33:12.320 to just like you know come up with something that's the idea that's why they're called like

01:33:15.220 that yeah it's like a music jam but with video games yeah there you go exactly all right cool so

01:33:20.160 so what's the uh what's the date for the uh upcoming one if people want to take part in that or i'm not

01:33:24.680 sure if you per invite or how that works or whatnot but since you're plugging everybody can uh everybody

01:33:30.300 can uh participate we don't have uh a date just yet okay just uh follow us and and keep keep

01:33:36.620 uh your eyes out um we will um announce it as soon i i assume probably maybe february march or so

01:33:44.300 beginning of next year and i really want to do something like that again once the game is finished

01:33:48.380 basically yeah depends a little bit on how long it will take us still sounds good no worries all right

01:33:53.220 well here's uh roland moritz joining us today cult game lead developers great to have you here uh keep

01:33:58.900 up the good work and uh absolutely again everyone out there who uh enjoys games want to play games

01:34:04.640 help out these guys support these guys get a copy of the game make sure that they can continue and

01:34:09.300 do more and build from there and turn this into a real uh a real engine for something on our side so

01:34:14.500 thank you roland really appreciate your time today it was good having you here thanks for having me

01:34:18.840 it was a lot of fun i enjoyed it greatly

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Red Ice TV - October 27, 2023

Kvlt Games, The Great Rebellion - Roland Moritz

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