Leaving The City, Overcoming Fear, What Is Freedom？ - Benny Wills
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Summary
In this episode of Conspiracy Theories, I sit down with comedian, podcaster, writer, and host of the podcast "Joy Camp" to discuss conspiracy theories and the dark side of the internet. We talk about how the internet has changed since the early days of Joy Camp, and what it means to be an extremist today.
Transcript
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changed, huh? Yeah, that's mind-blowing. That was right at the beginning of, I guess, my journey as
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a public presenter. That was the first year of Joy Camp is when we talked. And man, so much has
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happened in the last nine years. It's overwhelming, really. Yeah, for several years, you and Kevin,
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who's there next to you and other friends, you guys produced these well-made skits on, you know,
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various dark conspiracies under the name Joy Camp. Some of you guys might remember. Comedy awareness
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was a term I think you were using. And nine years ago, we talked about how tyrant elites,
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they fear creativity and comedy if they can't use it for their manipulation and control. Fast forward
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to a few years later, and they're banning comedians, musicians, content creators, like as we've been
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banned and censored. It's crazy, isn't it? Just in that short period. Yeah, it all just keeps unfolding
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exactly the way we predict. We're all prophets. We see it coming, we point at it, and then it
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happens, and then we're still called crazy for predicting the future. Oh, yeah. Now, I know that
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you have, well, what did they say? A prophet is never loved in his own town. I think a prophet is
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never loved in his own country at this point. But, you know, conspiracy just means people conspiring to
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do something. People do it every day. I know you've covered all the big ones. Now, looking back
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after that period of your life, and in terms of all of the great conspiracies today, what do you
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think is the biggest, most important one nowadays that stands out?
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Yeah. I know people talk about, like, the moon landing, or GSK, or it's all over the place.
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Good question. I think I'm going to give a kind of a general answer. I think that everything that
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we're taught that's happened at any point in history needs to be questioned. And it's, maybe
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that, maybe that is a too, a bit too broad, but I've, I've met a point now where it's, the
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conspiracy is so big. Everything I've ever learned from another person, or some, you know, ethereal,
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authoritative figure, I've come to question. So I think the biggest conspiracy of all is that
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everything needs to be questioned. Everything is subject to more perspective.
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Absolutely. Good answer. Absolutely. You're going to have to question everything, question all
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authority, question everything we've been told. And even that, it makes you an extremist nowadays,
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if you just simply question basic things. Now, how would you say you've changed the most since 2013?
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I was thinking about it. And for me, I've grown, I've been forced to grow a thick skin and a strong
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stomach after all I've seen and all the attacks that we've endured. But how would you say that
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you've changed more in the last nine years? Yeah, well, just looking at that Joy Camp page,
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we, we've had a lot of videos that they try to take down in the past year, I've been successful
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at getting them all back, which is kind of cool. I don't think that's happens too often. But I always
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write back and say, parody, this is parody. This is just a parody. It's a commentary. And every single
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time, YouTube writes me back and apologizes and say they got it wrong, which has been really
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interesting to observe. So only time we've had a video taken down is for copyright stuff. But
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they've been trying to take video, I mean, once every couple months, they'll try to take a video down
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and I'll appeal it. And so far, 100% success, which is an interesting thing to acknowledge.
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Wow, that's amazing. That can't be said for us.
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No. Yeah, well, I mean, most of my colleagues now are off of YouTube. Yeah. And I mean,
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we've certainly had some videos that have been taken down and never come back. But
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yeah, I think they respond to my appeals, which is fascinating. It makes me wonder if anyone's
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actually watching or is certain sort of AI algorithm bot situation. I don't know.
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So there's a lot I want to dive into. But first, I want to get into Idaho, how how we both ended up
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in northern Idaho, which is hilarious. And I didn't know you were here. You didn't know that
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we were here. But you were meeting up with a mutual friend, Rebecca, actually, your wife,
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who I'm friends with, your beautiful wife, was hanging out with Rebecca. And then we came up and
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it was like, Oh, Henrik and Lana also live in Idaho now. So how did you come to move here?
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I know it's, it's been surreal. So many people it's like, it's like a who's who of YouTube cast off.
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But it's great. I mean, we've all been drawn to the same place for I think,
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very similar reasons. I mean, Sonia and I, we left California in 2018. We didn't know we would
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end up in north Idaho. But we knew we wanted to end up someplace better than Los Angeles. And we
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just trusted the signs that we were getting. So we somehow made it up here. We bought a property
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year ago, we've been building on it ever since. And yeah, it's, it's strange and cool that so many
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people that I know from the internet are here as well.
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And you can hang out and meet up. Now you grew up in Los Angeles, right? You're born in California,
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we're going to get into that later, you're you're acting and leaving and stuff. But how is it being
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living somewhere that's more freedom focused, definitely more conservative, if you know what I
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mean, versus California? What does it feel like for you to be around that kind of energy?
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I feel like I'm in a pocket reality. I feel like we are less influenced by some of the nonsense up
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here. And it's, it's interesting. I mean, we left California before it was cool. I mean, I moved in
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Idaho before it really became like, I mean, we bought a property, but a little over a year ago,
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but then the real estate market really increased last year. It's fantastic. First of all, to be out
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of California, I saw all of this coming. I didn't know it was going to be a virus that was going to
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be the catalyst for, you know, the new nonsense, but I could definitely see that there was the LA
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wasn't the place for me and that being in the city wasn't a good thing. So being up here is really
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calming. It's because what's happening the last couple of years is like a, it's, it presents like
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an existential sort of dread. No matter where you are, you still kind of are affected by what's going
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on and living remotely, living rurally makes it less, uh, I don't know, depressing. Yeah. So
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it's, we're, we're, we're so happy that we landed here and we're so happy that we landed here
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before 2020. Um, and all, everything that's happened since. So yeah, it's, it's a, I'm blown
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away still. I'm really blown away still that this is where I live. Yeah. It's surreal.
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Very relieved. I feel like when we came to, it was kind of a reset period. Like you needed to
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just kind of get grounded again. If you're coming from a super lefty cesspit or in our case, you know,
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being doxxed and harassed by people in the town and journalists showing up and stuff. There's this
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period of kind of washing it away and healing and recharging. And I don't know, there's just
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something special about the land here. And when you're around people that you share something in
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common with, like there is a true community, it's a true brotherhood and a sisterhood. So many of us
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are finding that we, uh, that's been missing in our life, you know, so it's definitely empowering.
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Yep. Well, people seem to understand the idea of freedom here generally. And not only that,
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but that freedom is something worth protecting. I think most people really don't know how to
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define freedom. They think freedom comes from someone saying they have it or they're allowed
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to have it. But up here, people know that, you know, freedom is important and that it's worth
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protecting. And it's a pretty, it seems anyway, like the area, maybe, maybe it's just North Idaho.
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Uh, it's kind of hands off, which I really appreciate, especially in this County that
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we're in, we're in a County called Bonner County and it's a little, it's like the wild, wild West.
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I mean, it's like, you don't even need a building permit. You got to do. I mean, I can't think of
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many places where you don't need a building permit. It's pretty cool. You know, I heard someone
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complaining the other day about how, uh, Oh, we built this nice house. And then the person right
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next door to us had an outhouse and they had to carry water and I was like, well, that's cool,
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you know, because they can do whatever they want on their lands, you know?
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Yeah. And that, that comes with its own set of challenges for the buyer of a property,
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which we found out this past year, since the previous owners were just doing whatever they
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wanted to. It was, uh, we, there's been a lot of surprises regarding the property and the house
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on it, but you know, it is what it is. We're, we're, we're happy to, to fix those problems.
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I'm glad that these are our problems, put it that way.
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Now you were a working actor, you were living in La La Land. Let's talk about your
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experience in, in Hollywood. Uh, maybe you look at it differently now. I don't know if you,
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and also if you have any regrets or would you have done anything differently?
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Well, I mean, I feel like everything happens for a reason and my path has led me here. So I can't,
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I don't have any regrets about anything. If I had to do it all over again, I would have never gone
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to Hollywood. I never would have, I never would have gone to college, wouldn't have gone to graduate
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school, wouldn't have gotten in student loan debt, would never pursued a career as an actor at all.
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So I would have done everything different had I known then what I know now, but you know,
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it has given me, it's made me who I am. So I can't, it all has worked out exactly right. But
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I've, I've definitely, it's been a sobering experience. It was certainly a sobering experience
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around 2017 or 18 when it really became clear that I had to leave Los Angeles and leave my career
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behind because I didn't know what to do. I mean, I'd been orienting my life since I was four years
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old towards being a professional actor. And to know that that was no longer the path for me was
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scary. And it took me a little while to, you know, have the balls to actually leave. So
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yeah, and of course now looking back, it's all very clear and I'm so really so happy that I'm out
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of there, but you know, it was a, it was a scary leap to make and good riddance. I mean, LA is a,
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LA is a cesspool. It's a pit, it's a pit of hell where the lost angels are. So it's character building,
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but good riddance. Yeah. I remember you guys had a meeting with the comedy central, right? This was
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years ago and they went through your videos and what did they say to you guys? Uh, it was,
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we met with comedy central twice, actually the first time. And they rejected us both times,
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obviously, but the first time they said it was too smart for comedy central. That was their exact
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words. It was too smart. They want to dumb down, dumb down comedy, right? Just, uh, look, this is where
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this is, this, I think it's a good snapshot of how things have changed the last few years. I mean,
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we were pitching a joy camp pilot all around Hollywood in 2016. It's only a little over five
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years ago and it was almost picked up, but now anything conspiracy is so demonized, we would have
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no chance. No glad. I'm actually really glad it didn't, oops, didn't get picked up when we were
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pitching it, but the animosity and anger and intolerance towards, you know, conspiratorial
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perspective has gotten so bad. But a couple of years ago, it wasn't. I mean, that, that was when
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Mr. Robot was the most popular show, right? I mean, that's when the guy was winning Emmys for his role
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as a conspiracy theorist on TV. And we were kind of trying to ride those coattails. Uh, and we almost
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did. I mean, we had meetings with the biggest agency in Los Angeles, William Morris. We were
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actually represented by them. They were sending us out to meet with people like comedy central and FX
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and MTV and TBS. And they all watched our pilot, which was, you know, joy camp and they liked it.
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And now try to get entertainment like that through. I mean, it's just interesting to see how,
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how things have changed so drastically in the last couple of years.
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It almost makes you wonder too. And I hear I'm, I'm familiar with William Morris too, of course.
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Um, if some of them, they're watching those videos and they're like, Oh shoot, this is telling too
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much. We know about these things. We can't have this come out. Right. Sometimes I wonder,
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they wanted us to change who we, what we did. And that was what always my concern. I thought that if
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our show got picked up, they would have creative control and I no longer would, which was a concern
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because I didn't want to, you know, I didn't, I had integrity. Uh, so they kept wanting us to come
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back with more ideas. They were like, liked us. They liked the talent that we possess and our
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ability to make good content, but they thought, you know, it could be utilized in another direction.
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And I just wasn't interested in doing anything but joy camp. So ultimately didn't work. And thank
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God it didn't, but, uh, just to, yeah, weird, weird times. Yeah. I lived there too. And I had, uh,
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some interesting experiences to say the least. And, and one of the biggest questions I got,
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I know this is going to sound anti-Semitic. One of the biggest questions I always got though,
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when I worked in music and film production was, are you Jewish? And, uh, had I have been Jewish,
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I know that I would have been catapulted to the top and could have done anything I wanted to do there,
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you know, but I, I, I saw things, I saw how things run. I saw how horrible a lot of these people are
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there and I wanted nothing to do with it either. And no desire to be there whatsoever. It really
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is a sick and deranged place. And I'm surprised you turned out so grounded being born in LA. Cause
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a lot of times there's people that come, they're not born in LA, but then they come there and then
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they just get chewed up and in every which way and spat out. Right. But most people, most people,
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even if they achieve like, you know, celebrity fame, they get chewed up and spit out. I mean,
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it's a, it's a brutal business that has no heart. I mean, that's one of the things I really
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learned about Hollywood is that it's soulless. It doesn't care about anybody and it's only there
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to serve and serve agendas. I mean, that's, it's, and it took me a while to really accept that.
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Cause I didn't want to accept it. I wanted to think that there was, there could be some integrity
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within that business and there simply cannot now more than ever you, if you have a country, a contrary
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opinion, you will not be heard. They will not let you succeed. So it is on lockdown. It is only
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there to prop up, you know, agendas and propaganda. That's right. Perpetuate propaganda.
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It's a propaganda machine. Now you come from hippie liberal parents. So I wanted to get your
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experience, boomer hippie liberal parents. This whole thing I saw you're, you do a mean Monday
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show, which you have to tell us about that, but you got into the, in the beginning about Joe Rogan
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versus some of these boomer hippies, like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. And they were complaining,
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right. To Spotify. They wanted Spotify to remove all his music because he's pushing vaccine
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disinfo and all of that. Right. Uh, and then they removed their music in protest, which is
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just completely cringe. I don't know. Tell, tell us about your thoughts on this.
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Oh man. Well, I actually didn't know that Joni Mitchell was on that train.
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Oh, there's a lot of them, a lot of them. And a lot of one stock musicians.
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Her birthday. She's like, she's someone I've been, you know, always happy to say I have
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a birthday with. That's really sad. Not anymore. Not surprising, unfortunately. Um, yeah, what
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a mess. I mean, well, the hippie movement is another one of those things that it helped
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me kind of understand that you could be that, how do I say this? I liked the anti-establishment
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aspect of the sixties movement. You know, when I was a kid and my dad was telling me stories
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about his time in Berkeley and stuff and watching whatever movies, documentaries about the time
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and listening to the music, I was really inspired by it. And I was really inspired by the anti-establishment
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aspect only to find out, you know, in my twenties that all most, if not all of what people experienced
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in that movement was also at least somewhat of a psychological operation, uh, was also disheartening,
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but you know, a good paradigm to crush. Um, but yeah, I mean, no, no wonder these people
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are, are, are changing like this because they, they've always been a part of, again, another
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propaganda machine, pop music, that music, all of that has been there in not, I don't try
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to, I don't want to sound cynical, but it's hard to be mainstream during any era and have,
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again, integrity and actually be on the, on the side of truth. So those people have been,
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I mean, Neil Young has been a part of a disinformation campaign since the sixties.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And yeah, they're all, we're anti-establishment, but then they're being
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propped up by the man in the system and the Hollywood machine and all that. And it is funny
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how back then, you know, they're Woodstock, it's a free speech, it's a anti-war, it's all peace
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in love and then fast, you know, fighting against the man. Fast forward to today, it's
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big pharma and censorship and throw them in prison because they don't want the vaccine.
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I mean, it's really, that is such a boomer thing right there. You know?
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Yeah. One of my favorite memes is this one that's, uh, it says the old left versus the
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new left. And on the, the, the old left, it's a, you know, a Volkswagen van with hippies
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in it and it's saying pro free speech and no censorship, damn the man. And then the new
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left is do everything you're told, trust authority, censor, censorship is good, all that. And it's
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just like these two, you know, this is what's happened. That's right. This is how they've
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controlled. They just used free speech, you know, as a, as a weapon to destroy free speech because
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at the time they weren't in control. So, oh, free speech, free speech. And then once they get
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control, they crush free speech, you know? But I think Joe Rogan, I just have to say, I'm not a,
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not a fan of Joe Rogan, but he's making a hundred million dollars for Spotify's contract. So,
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and I heard that the artists are getting, they have to get 350 plays to make a dollar.
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So I don't think they really care about some of those musicians leaving, honestly.
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Yeah. I mean, it's just, we're just watching me. I don't know. Can I say the word shit?
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We're watching a shit show. It's a shit show. I feel like we're watching the collapse of,
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you know, society. We're just watching it. The schism has been, COVID's like the splinter
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and we're seeing this fracture now and there's no going back. People are, you're either in,
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not to speak generally, but it's like you either are on this side of illogic, which is trust authority,
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no matter what, or you're thinking. And that's where, and the bridge is hard to gap.
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The gap is hard to bridge and you can't, you can't speak logically with people who are thinking
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illogically. So we have this disconnect. It's very strange. It's very strange. And you teach a
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course that gets into that. So I wanted to kind of get into that about communication. Now it's called
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parhishia right now. Tell us what the word parhishia means. I had to look it up because I didn't know
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this word. At first I thought it was a bird because I kept seeing you in bird logo.
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A word I fell in love with a few years ago and it literally means free speech. It means to speak
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boldly or freely, freedom of speech. So that's why I fell in love with it. It's been lost from our
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lexicon. It says a Greek origin, but it's a beautiful word and I can see why it's sort of been lost
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because it means freedom of speech. Um, so yeah, I mean, I, I, I see the, the tactics at work,
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divide and conquer. I mean, it's, it is literally the oldest trick in the book and I refuse to accept
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that I'm, I can't talk to, uh, people anymore or have a different opinion than someone anymore and
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not be able to get along still. So I'm really trying to help people deal with their fractured
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relationships and help people communicate more effectively with loved ones or strangers or
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whoever, who may be seeing things a little differently and how to handle yourself in
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conversations or confrontations in a way that won't get you ostracized or labeled, you know,
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it's fill in the blank, conspiracy theorist, alt-right, crazy, whatever, how to avoid those
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landmines and actually have a constructive conversation. And it's no small task, which
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is why I had to create a whole course about it. But yeah, it's been a, it's been a really cool thing.
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It's been going on for now over a year and people really like it. I'm in my third season and it's a,
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it's a success. Now you gotta give us a little teaser. You gotta, you gotta share a few tips. Let's say
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someone has a family member. Let's say they have liberal, a hippie boomer parents and they want to
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have a conversation. They're, they're more on our side of things. They've woken up to things.
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How do they even begin? I mean, cause that's a generational gap on top of it. Right. And which
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is different probably than speaking to someone in your generation. I don't know, but it's so,
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it's so polarized and so difficult nowadays for me, I've just given up on, on talking to a lot of
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people that are on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Cause I feel like it's beating a dead
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horse. You know what I mean? Unless it's old friends or family, I think that that's, that's
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more important. You know, you have something in common that you can kind of get in there with,
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but maybe you can share just a few tips for those people. Cause there's a lot of people that are in
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that situation. Well, so this is where some of my very extensive acting training has come in very
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handy. Cause when you, in acting school, you learn that in order to make a performance as a character,
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believable, you have to seem like you're that character. You can't seem like you're lying. You have to be
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telling the truth, but as a character. So you have to understand that character's motivations. So your
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first job as an actor is to understand the intentions of the person that you're playing,
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understand what motivates them, understand what their goals are. So I apply that to helping people
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in conversation, understand your own motives first. Why are you saying what you're saying?
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What's it for? What's your, what's your goal? What's your hope? If you're going to go to a,
00:25:11.280
you know, Thanksgiving dinner and try to talk about something controversial,
00:25:15.900
understand why first. So understand your own goals. Are you hoping to just stand up for truth
00:25:22.800
no matter what? Are you hoping to change their mind? Are you hoping that they'll just listen to you?
00:25:27.160
Are you hoping they won't think you're crazy? Like really understand what motivates you before you
00:25:30.260
embark in some of these difficult conversations. And then once you're in it,
00:25:36.280
once you're in it, okay, every, every conversation, every person is different. So every
00:25:45.600
encounter is going to be slightly different and it's up to you to respond to what you're dealing
00:25:52.380
with. So a lot of it is listening. A lot of it is feeling the person out. And a lot of it is just
00:25:59.180
being subtle and not too emotionally engaged because our emotions can get the better of us.
00:26:08.080
And again, understand your motivation. Are you really trying to change their mind? If that's
00:26:12.880
your motivation to change their mind about a topic, you're probably going to be unsuccessful.
00:26:17.180
So maybe set a more realistic intention. I want to just mention something in a way that
00:26:23.900
they can hear it. That'll spark their interest about this topic and then find your way in. And
00:26:29.220
you can find your way in with a person by appealing to the victim nature in them. We're dealing in a
00:26:35.140
very victimized culture. Everyone feels like they're a victim in some way. That's your in like
00:26:41.900
that's your in. So enter through that point, the victim part and build a rapport, get them to trust
00:26:48.220
you. Show that you care about the same things. This is a lot, but it's important. Build a rapport.
00:26:54.800
They have to know that they can trust you and not just think you're some lunatic. So establish trust,
00:27:02.460
establish rapport that you care about the same things. Then they're going to be more willing to
00:27:08.300
hear what you have to say. And then if you actually do say something that, you know, is an idea that
00:27:16.300
could lead to bigger understanding and they listen and they hear it and they don't reject it outright
00:27:21.300
immediately, don't fire hose them with more. This is, this is like the hardest thing for people.
00:27:26.480
People, if someone gives them an inch, they just avalanche all of their thoughts about everything
00:27:32.220
onto them without actually reading the room, without letting it's letting themselves see how
00:27:38.000
it's landing. You know, it's, it's a dance. It's nuanced. So anyway, it's a lot. I mean,
00:27:44.740
this is a 10 week course. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. But what happens, what happens if it turns ugly
00:27:49.800
that you're in a conversation with someone and let's say it's someone, you know, and it just,
00:27:54.540
a stranger, you could just walk away or whatever. I just, I'm not going to talk to you. Like someone
00:27:58.460
that, you know, what if it turns ugly, that fire hose? Oh shit. I, you know, pulled out the fire
00:28:02.880
hose and this has gone bad. No. Yeah. You have to be, you have to be delicate, especially when it
00:28:09.220
comes to these issues that have been so we, they're, they're, they're polarizing. They are,
00:28:16.960
and people are really, they're willing to fight for their ideas, for their opinions. And you have
00:28:21.920
to be really delicate kids gloves and know that your facts don't matter. So it's a, it's a really
00:28:30.520
interesting time to try to bring perspective into a conversation because there's a thousand landmines
00:28:37.360
between us. Uh, so yeah, I mean, it's, it's a lot, but I think the primary goal for me with the course
00:28:46.280
is to get people feeling like they're representing themselves well, no matter what. So no matter what
00:28:53.160
the outcome of the encounter, the conversation, the confrontation, the presentation, whatever it is,
00:28:58.500
they feel good about how they handled themselves and they're not walking away thinking, damn,
00:29:03.360
that could have gone better. Or I should have said this or, Oh, if only, you know, she had said this
00:29:09.600
response and I could have said that, you know, so we don't think about how it could have been
00:29:13.800
different, but we are feeling good about how we conducted ourselves and releasing expectation.
00:29:20.600
Yep. I think too, you, you get into, is it communicating boldly without self doubt,
00:29:26.020
right? Freeing, freeing your speech. And I have found that for me, that has taken practice,
00:29:30.700
right? And probably for you too, you just life practice, right? You become seasoned as you go
00:29:35.800
and you go through experience and then you're like, Oh, that's who I am. That's the seed of who I am.
00:29:42.460
That's a, this is my voice. This is how I speak. I found my voice and it's a, it's a journey.
00:29:46.980
So how do you help, you know, guide someone to, they say, I want to find my voice. I want to have
00:29:52.740
confidence in the things that I am saying. Well, again, this is like a, this is 10 weeks worth of
00:29:58.760
tutelage, but for instance, I actually, tonight, my class today, I'm doing a, it's a whole presentation
00:30:05.260
on self doubt and how to handle it. And basically making the point that doubt is a killer. Fear is a
00:30:16.100
killer. And I think too many people get hung up on trying to eradicate fear and self doubt altogether.
00:30:24.940
And I think that's all, I think that's an intention, a goal that is hard to reach. And it can be so
00:30:31.020
hard to reach that you give up on it. So the key is to
00:30:38.380
sorry, it just kind of froze up a little bit. Oh, we lost him. I got to bring him back. I love that.
00:30:58.900
It's the key is cut. All right. So we'll, uh, pause just for a second and then try and bring
00:31:05.280
back. He's back. Let's see. Yeah. Like I said, it's like a, this is, this is how rural we are.
00:31:10.040
It goes in a cycle every now and then it pops out the pros and cons. You were saying the key is,
00:31:15.000
and then you're cut off figures of course. Well, the key is to not let self doubt get in your way of
00:31:20.880
taking action. So even if you're nervous, don't let the nerves keep you from doing the things you
00:31:27.160
know you need to do. So I'm helping. So with a self doubt class, like tonight, I'm giving people
00:31:31.720
tips on how to take action in spite of themselves, how to fake it till you make it essentially. And
00:31:38.040
to, and the keys to that are, you know, drawing on your own experience, really start with your own
00:31:45.120
experience. What's a time when you were so scared of a moment, but you conquered it anyway.
00:31:49.700
And remember that because you've already done this. This isn't the first time you may have,
00:31:54.920
you nerves will never go away, but if you get in the habit of being able to act in spite of yourself,
00:32:00.640
you may notice at some point, the self doubt is gone, but don't make self conquering self doubt.
00:32:06.120
The goal there's workarounds, you know, how to take, how to take nervous energy and turn it into real
00:32:11.880
energy because it's all it is. So how do you take nerves and use them to your advantage? Um,
00:32:18.820
yeah. And remember that every moment comes and goes, the, the anxiety, the regret is a worse
00:32:29.700
feeling than having anxiety about a moment that's about to happen. So if you're nervous about the
00:32:37.660
confrontation, the conversation you're going to have, or the thing you that that's right in front
00:32:41.580
of you that you're scared to do, just know that if you don't do it, the regret is a worse feeling
00:32:46.760
than the nervousness, the self doubt, the anxiety you're feeling before the moment.
00:32:52.480
Um, and I contextualize it. I mean, I get people really thinking about their own successes already
00:32:57.920
because we've all, we're all, we're all still alive because of a certain level of success.
00:33:02.560
So getting them feeling good about themselves, really, you know, getting people to like shrug
00:33:08.780
off all the baggage that we build up over time and remember who they are. Yeah. It's about also
00:33:14.940
relaxing and just kind of letting things go. I think we're in a society now that I hear
00:33:19.600
from so many people have panic attacks and anxiety and it's just heightened with all these things
00:33:24.940
going on. I think that they feel things, real physical things, but then there's, you know,
00:33:28.520
spiritual things and then who knows, maybe 5g is even contributing, but people are more anxious than
00:33:33.720
ever and fearful and just, they can't, it's hard for them to communicate. And then they're on their
00:33:38.260
devices all the time and it's these Twitter messages. And so, uh, the art of communication has
00:33:43.400
definitely been lost because people could just shout and then delete and run away, you know, but what you
00:33:47.940
were saying earlier about anxiety. I think that that's, that's spoken true in my life or my
00:33:52.160
experience too. It's the, the anxiety in the first few minutes before something happens is worse than
00:33:58.100
you actually doing the thing once you do it, right? It's kind of like you have to play mind games with
00:34:03.680
yourself because once you're actually in it, it's not that bad. It's amazing how you, you fear anxiety.
00:34:09.760
It's crazy. The movie version of reality, the movie, our imaginations will make things far worse
00:34:16.720
than they actually are. Yeah. Almost every single time you, you, you get hung up thinking about it
00:34:22.540
and you visualize it and you watch it like a movie and you're terrified of that outcome. But then you
00:34:27.100
actually go through it and you're like, Oh, it wasn't so bad. Even if it was bad, you're like, well,
00:34:30.660
it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Um, and that's life. That's like everything.
00:34:34.800
Yeah. And then the more you do it, you kind of, you, you retrain your brain because I think there's
00:34:40.200
neural pathways that have to be reprogrammed once you're living in the state of fear and panic and
00:34:45.220
anxiety all the time, which by the way, uh, are the people in control. They love that because they
00:34:50.920
can manipulate that and steer you. And you're in this fight or flight mode all the time. And you're
00:34:54.980
not, you're not thinking properly. Right. Yeah. Well, even there, you guys, you have this smartphone
00:35:00.700
addiction on the screen. He mentions, you know, social media and stuff. I think social media is
00:35:06.760
the reason why we don't know how to communicate anymore. I think that is the linchpin it's social
00:35:11.140
media. We have forgotten how to communicate and talk to each other because of social media. And I
00:35:15.300
think the powers that be know that I think is one of the reasons why we've been all geared towards,
00:35:19.320
you know, typed messages. You cannot convey accurately an emotion in a type message. You don't know
00:35:27.160
you're, you're also not experiencing how you're saying is landing on the person. You're not hearing
00:35:32.100
them respond in real time. It's completely disjointed and it's disconnected us from each
00:35:37.540
other. We're more connected than ever, but we're more disconnected than ever. And so the first thing
00:35:43.220
I tell people, if you're going to have a confrontation, if you're going to have a conversation, a difficult
00:35:46.740
conversation where you talk about a difficult subject, don't do it online. Don't ever do it online.
00:35:52.180
Avoid online. Who's ever won an online debate? I mean, a typed online debate that is, you know,
00:35:58.400
it's, it's, you're just going to waste your energy and you're going to end up not liking the person
00:36:03.240
more too, because you're not, again, you're not going to have the empathetic feel of a conversation.
00:36:06.600
So get out from behind the screen and talk to the person in real life.
00:36:12.100
It's true. We have all these new problems now because before it used to be, I even thinking in
00:36:16.460
terms of, you know, Republican and Democrat used to be people could still go have drinks together.
00:36:20.900
You have friends with different political views. You can go, go out and do things. It's really
00:36:25.780
changed since the, you know, the Facebooks and the Twitters and, and the media just really just
00:36:32.160
spinning things out of control. It is so hard to just be friends with, or have a conversation with
00:36:38.120
somebody who is your political opposite. And I think actually it's people more like us that are
00:36:42.760
more willing to have those conversations and branch out and be willing to just speak freely.
00:36:47.820
But I find a lot of the times it's people on the other side of things that are the ones who are
00:36:53.360
just unwilling because they see, you know, articles like we were showing earlier, like just don't talk
00:36:57.860
to conspiracy theorists or just don't talk to a so-called, you know, white supremacist or whatever,
00:37:03.320
insert whatever you want there. You know, it's like they're encouraging people to not do any
00:37:08.260
critical thinking and debate with people or have free and open conversations. I mean, we're living in
00:37:14.240
a time of censorship and banning. You don't like it. Just censor it or ban it and delete it and block
00:37:18.080
it, you know? Yeah. So then how about use your voice to find the people like you, which is kind
00:37:25.820
of the more important thing anyway. How do you use your, utilize your voice in a way that draws the
00:37:30.500
right people to you? Cause I think that's ultimately more important. I mean, like I said, this, this
00:37:35.560
society is so fractured now and certain powers at B are going to do everything they can to pull their
00:37:42.780
plans through to the end zone. So we have to, you know, make plans accordingly. And that comes from,
00:37:52.100
we solve problems by putting our heads together. So I think, you know, well, there is a, there is,
00:37:57.800
it is important to try to bridge the gap between people you have established relationships and already
00:38:02.940
love, but use your voice in a way that attracts people to you who live near you, who are around
00:38:09.140
you, build a community, have a support system, have a, you know, your own think tank where you can come
00:38:15.480
up with solutions together and make the system obsolete. That's right. Yeah. And you had a video,
00:38:22.520
you said, who is they, and it doesn't really matter who, who they is that is fighting against
00:38:27.460
you because the, the solution is us, right? I mean, I think it's good to identify the captains,
00:38:32.660
but at the end of the day, it's about just noncompliance and saying no and realizing that
00:38:37.760
we do need the, those bigger collective numbers. And I know people in our scene for a long time,
00:38:42.820
you were like that too. We were, oh, we can't be a collectivist, right? For a long time, we were
00:38:47.160
talking like that. But the term, it was, it was shunned by, by many of us. But now we know that we
00:38:52.420
need a lot of good people to come as a collective or to collectivize, to, to have influence and,
00:38:57.780
and power in numbers, right? Absolutely. Yeah. And the more you are surrounded by people that
00:39:05.100
are like you, you know, not that you need to be on the same page with what every single thing,
00:39:10.180
with every person you're around. I think that actually gets kind of boring, but when you're
00:39:14.380
around people like you, you don't feel so alone. You don't feel so crazy. You feel motivated. You feel
00:39:19.280
sane again. You feel like things are possible. It's good to have friends. So using your voice in a way
00:39:26.680
that can get you new friends and not just hung up on the people that are taking the bait is really
00:39:34.740
important because those people taking the bait while it's, it's heartbreakingly frustrating,
00:39:40.120
man, they're the low hanging fruit. Like they got it bad. I mean, blue being blue pilled right now
00:39:46.300
is a pretty horrific nightmarish scenario and I don't envy them at all. So I'm mad to an extent
00:39:52.980
because it's their compliance. It's sort of perpetuating this nonsense. But at the same
00:39:57.600
time, like they're in hell and I'm not, and I'm very grateful for that.
00:40:02.660
So I have to disagree with you on one thing. I think it's a whole lot of fun hanging out with
00:40:07.160
people that think like us. And I think it's very boring hanging out with people that don't think
00:40:11.380
like us. Every time I try and bring in some like, or I mean more like normie tier, you know what I mean?
00:40:17.640
There's a, there's different levels of, you know, things that we can have in common and stuff. But
00:40:21.760
anytime I'm like, sure, I'll give it a shot. I'll hang out with this normie person. I'm always just
00:40:25.820
bored. I'm like, I don't need to do this. I have so many friends that are cool to talk with, you know?
00:40:31.360
Wait, wait, I'm sorry. Well, who are you saying is boring to hang out with?
00:40:33.880
Oh, people that don't think like us. We don't have anything in common.
00:40:37.420
I don't like hanging out with them either. Oh, we're on the same page. I don't want to,
00:40:40.520
I mean, that's the thing. Like have those conversations when you need to have them. If it's like
00:40:44.080
your mom or your, your son or your brother, you know, any of these relationships that you,
00:40:49.380
cause you care, you don't want them to be swallowed up by the system. Um, but to hang
00:40:53.900
out with them. Oh, I mean, come on. That's not fun anymore. I don't want to talk about garbage
00:40:59.420
television or Netflix or, or the, or the latest variant. Omicron. I'm pretty sure I just had that
00:41:06.900
by the way. And I'm still alive. So life, I wanted to play one of your videos, uh, about freedom
00:41:12.280
because freedom is a conversation that's been coming up a lot. It's a good question. Many of
00:41:16.160
us are asking like we didn't before. Um, people think freedom is like, you know, good old Patriots
00:41:21.340
and you know, all that kind of stuff, but no, we're, we're rethinking what it means to be free
00:41:25.500
these days. But I want to play this, uh, good little video that you made. It looks like you shot this
00:41:31.600
Is true freedom possible? If so, how bad do you want it? Would you work for it? Would you fight
00:41:52.520
for it? Would you lay down your life for it? How important is freedom to you? What if it meant
00:42:02.880
throwing away your television forever, never watching another movie again? What if it meant
00:42:11.780
turning off your cell phone permanently, not temporarily from time to time or now and then?
00:42:21.640
Could you sacrifice text messages? Could you move without GPS? Could you give away everything
00:42:32.020
you own or possess? Could you shut down your computer and never turn it back on? Could you let go of
00:42:41.760
your email and let it stay gone? Could you surrender free shipping from Amazon?
00:42:51.640
What if, what if true freedom were contingent upon you leaving the grid, saying goodbye to electricity
00:43:04.020
and everything that it did once and for all and back to the land for going career and a 401
00:43:11.060
one plan? Would you do it? Would you go through with it? How far would you go to be free?
00:43:24.100
What is freedom? Is it having sex as much as you want with whoever, whenever, for fun? Or is it refraining
00:43:34.420
and abstaining from sexual urges until marriage when flesh becomes one? Is freedom doing whatever you
00:43:44.460
please, self-serving your interests for pleasure? Or is it achieved through selflessly serving
00:43:55.240
I'm honestly asking what freedom is and what does it mean to you? Is it government taxation or forced
00:44:10.860
freedom to choose? How do we untangle this knot that we're in? How do we emerge from our fog of subjective
00:44:19.940
morality, despotic brutality, imbalance at home and abroad? Freedom literally means not being enslaved
00:44:32.960
by men, women, or ourselves. In my opinion, opinions can enslave us. Habits and routines can as well.
00:44:46.880
Allowances can devour us. Blind spots can bind us. Comforts can keep us in hell.
00:44:55.660
So what is freedom? And how bad do you want it? What path are you willing to take? The one with the
00:45:06.220
pavement and LED streetlights? Or the uncertain one? The dirt one that's narrow alongside the lake?
00:45:18.400
It's funny, Manny, because even when you're being serious, I still find you funny.
00:45:28.740
Even though I know I'm like, yes, this is all deep and this is good, but I'm still, I still chuckle.
00:45:35.760
I like that. That was always one of my, one of my strengths as an actor too. I mean,
00:45:39.860
when I was doing theater for, you know, over 10 years of my life, no matter what the role was,
00:45:45.180
I'd always be able to get laughs whenever, whatever character I was playing. That's why,
00:45:49.500
well, that's why I turned to comedy. I mean, I was a classically trained theater actor and then I
00:45:55.560
But yet what you say here is incredibly deep. You know, what is freedom? And everyone is
00:46:00.760
rethinking that. And everyone has different answers to that. Like you say too, is it getting the
00:46:05.240
vaccine? Isn't being able to not get the vaccine? You know what I mean? It's just, it's a matter of who
00:46:10.720
you ask. And a lot of times I wonder like if this planet is even meant to be, you know, just peace
00:46:17.020
and love and freedom. It's, it's hell a lot of the times. And I think that's for a reason. I think,
00:46:22.180
well, one, it's about learning to overcome weaknesses and come as close to, to the gauze
00:46:27.740
as we can. I think through going through the, the, the path right on the path through the fire.
00:46:31.980
But for me, I was thinking about this and what, what is freedom for me? And it's really just the
00:46:36.080
simple things like to be left alone, to have my family and, and do the work that I love and be
00:46:41.060
with the friends that I love and, and just do the simple things without someone always wanting
00:46:45.820
something from me or trying to control me or trying to manipulate me or force me to do things I don't
00:46:51.060
want to do, you know? Right. Exactly. Well, that, I mean, that poem is an, it really is an honest
00:46:57.140
contemplation of the word freedom. And yeah, I mean, same thing for me. I think that freedom for me is
00:47:04.440
just being left alone. Like, let me, I'll be, let me figure it out myself. And as long as I have a
00:47:11.320
strong moral center and I know when I'm hurting someone or helping someone, uh, I'll be, I, you
00:47:20.600
know, I, I don't need anyone else to make decisions for me. And I think that's what freedom means to
00:47:24.960
me being, you know, I like, uh, consent based reality. Yeah, exactly. To me, it's not a, I guess
00:47:33.200
the Patriot version, I would say they, they think freedom is a limited government and still being
00:47:38.440
able to go to your football games without being vaccinated. It's a bit deeper for me on those
00:47:42.880
questions. You know, I think for a lot of us, well, I know there's a, exactly. Well, that's why I'm
00:47:49.980
posing the question because it's been, it's on the line right now. And people have different
00:47:56.800
interpretations of different ideas and different definitions. And I'm, I've really been contemplating
00:48:01.120
it. Well, what is freedom? What does it mean to me? What does it mean to you? What is, what is it?
00:48:05.680
I know that I don't want anyone else dictating my, you know, making decisions that I can't make for
00:48:13.440
myself or thinking that they have a better interest at heart. Like I don't, I'm not cool with that.
00:48:17.660
And it's a, it's a dire time. I've noticed a lot of people are realizing that this, all the stuff
00:48:22.620
with the vaccine and the COVID stuff, we're seeing the trucker convoy, which is great. Like if we
00:48:26.820
don't put our foot down now, it's just going to get far worse and all, and then we'll be looking
00:48:32.040
back and remember the freedoms that we had when we can sit and talk about blah, blah, blah, you know,
00:48:36.780
even that, even that is going to be gone. Right. Yeah. They're making it harder and harder. I mean,
00:48:43.540
it's, there's no representation. This is, this is obviously the problem. Like there is
00:48:47.540
no representation, uh, from anyone who has a contradicting point of view in the mainstream.
00:48:54.840
That just doesn't happen anymore. You're not allowed to, if you do, you get demonized,
00:48:58.460
you're discredited. You are, you know, you're, well, you're treated like what they're trying
00:49:02.400
to do with Joe Rogan. Like I I'm with you. I'm not the biggest fan of Joe Rogan, but what's
00:49:06.260
happening is obnoxious. Like he's, he just had a, it was, I think it's because of the Malone
00:49:11.760
interview. Right. But yeah, you're not allowed to have any other point of view now. I mean,
00:49:16.560
we're at, we're at a place now. Literally, I was telling my friend on the phone this today where
00:49:19.820
I could tell if I got the, if I got the vaccine and then the next day I had Bell's palsy and half
00:49:26.860
my body. And I were to tell somebody that who believes in the science and trust the science
00:49:31.540
and believes the vaccine is a savior. They wouldn't believe me. They'd be like, well, it wasn't the
00:49:36.260
vaccine. Like, no, look, look at my face. It's, it's hanging off. It's hanging off my head. I got
00:49:41.560
the vaccine yesterday. They'd be like, it's not the vaccine. Like that's where we're at. People
00:49:45.460
think that Omicron is not that bad because they have three vaccines. Like we're dealing with absolute
00:49:51.520
nonsense. Yeah, I know what wild times. And one of the things that all of us keep talking about
00:49:59.020
as we're seeing where this is going is a community building tribe, building village,
00:50:03.940
building your village, an alternative economy, if you will, right? A parallel structure of
00:50:10.700
some kind, just in case, just in case things start getting bad. Well, they already.
00:50:15.680
They are. Yeah, exactly. They already are getting bad. And one of those things that's important
00:50:19.880
is parenting and raising kids, which is very, is very difficult in these, in this day and
00:50:25.680
age. I look back and think of when I grew up in Portland, Oregon, I was born in Portland,
00:50:29.960
Oregon, and it was so different. Like I was a teenager running around the streets with my
00:50:33.340
older brother. We could go to grunge shows and there wasn't squatters and these like
00:50:37.560
communists on the street killing cops. And it's like, man, things have changed so fast.
00:50:42.000
You know, I worry about the future for our children. And one of those things that's so
00:50:45.000
important right now is parenting. A lot of people say, oh, it's bad times. You shouldn't
00:50:48.660
have kids. No, in bad times, it's when good people need to have a lot of kids. I think in
00:50:52.340
terms of also my, my grandparents and my great grandparents, you know, fleeing the Bolshevik
00:50:57.420
revolution and stuff, they did it with six, seven kids, you know, and some bad things
00:51:02.660
happened to a couple of them, but thank God that they had all those kids that they did
00:51:06.460
because then they're still alive today. You know, our generation continues, but thinking
00:51:11.660
in terms of kids, you have another baby on the way. So how was the first one? Was it a
00:51:16.780
shock for you? Cause everyone's always like, I'm having my first baby. And I know the first
00:51:19.980
baby is always more shocking. And everyone always tells me once you add them on, right.
00:51:23.380
The second baby is actually more shocking than the first. But first of all, I just want
00:51:27.960
to say, I agree with everything you said. I think that the, and I say this, I say this,
00:51:34.240
I've said this actually in front of crowds when I've given performances about the significance
00:51:37.900
of having kids and, you know, not to say that having a kid is not for everybody. So that's
00:51:42.880
not what I'm saying. But if people decide to not have kids because they think the world
00:51:48.780
is too messed up, then I think they're playing right into the hand of the enemy.
00:51:52.440
And the enemy has them exactly where they want them. Um, cause show me a time when things
00:51:58.780
aren't challenging. I mean, that's part of this experience I think is it's, you know,
00:52:02.700
we have to persevere and there's always going to be evil. There's always going to be adversity
00:52:06.440
and we have to, you know, work around it, uh, in spite of it. So I'm all about having
00:52:12.800
kids. I, I don't know how many we'll have, but we have one who's a year and a half and we
00:52:18.340
have another one coming in April. And the first one was planned for, uh,
00:52:22.440
I mean, we didn't know exactly when it would happen, but we definitely were, uh, open to
00:52:27.080
it happening to our son being born. And the second one was more of a shock, but we are
00:52:33.400
very excited now. And yeah, I think having kids is one of the best defenses, one of the
00:52:40.120
best things you can do to counter the agendas. Uh, and yeah, it's challenging. And I think
00:52:50.680
about it all the time. I think about what it means for me to have a kid and like the selflessness
00:52:55.080
that it's sort of had to bring out in me. And I don't know, I've been, it's, it feels
00:53:00.680
like my story is now not as important as his story, my son's story and my, uh, my next son's
00:53:06.240
story. So it's a, it's been a real, uh, there's been growing pains. I mean, I've been, I've been
00:53:12.040
forced to become more of a man in the past year and a half. And that's a good thing, but it's also
00:53:18.760
been hard. It's, it's been, again, it's a, it's a, it's a ongoing lesson in patience and
00:53:25.720
selflessness. And yeah, I mean, taking it one day at a time and nothing holds up a mirror,
00:53:33.160
like getting married and having kids. It's a big mirror reflecting at you and you, you see your,
00:53:40.020
your weaknesses, you see your strengths, you know? So if you really are on the path, if you will,
00:53:45.860
of, um, you know, self-development, having kids and having a family, having a husband and a wife
00:53:51.860
is definitely going to speed that along, you know, but it's the most fulfilling.
00:53:55.900
I can't, I can't, it makes so much sense to me. Like it's so obvious that a kid needs a mother and
00:54:00.760
a father, you know, and that's something that our society has definitely tried to make it seem like
00:54:05.520
is, you know, just to, it can be that way, but it also doesn't have to be that way. And it's actually
00:54:10.460
maybe even better if it's not that way sometimes. And that's ridiculous. Like I think about,
00:54:14.000
I, I, I, healthy family is a mother and a father and kids and you, cause there's a balance. The man
00:54:21.420
has certain strengths and the woman has certain strengths and certain things that the other one
00:54:25.920
can't do and provide. And it creates this balance for the child that is necessary for their development.
00:54:34.760
Um, yeah. And I also, I also don't understand how anyone would want to have a kid to try to like
00:54:41.040
save a relationship. That to me was just seemed like a death sentence because it's a challenging
00:54:47.380
thing for a relationship. I mean, it's certainly, you know, it takes your relation to the next level
00:54:53.400
to a place you can't even really fathom until you experience it. And it really tests your teamwork
00:55:00.060
and tests your ability to navigate through surprising challenges that are popping up all
00:55:06.920
the time. And it's, uh, I, I couldn't have done it with anybody else. Like I ha it had to be my wife,
00:55:14.260
who you're, who you know, it had to be her and it couldn't have been anyone else because I couldn't,
00:55:18.340
I wouldn't have been able to handle it with anyone else. It has to be your teammate and someone
00:55:23.160
you really love. I mean, with all your heart. Absolutely. And I love her and you guys are
00:55:30.060
definitely soulmates. The other thing that's made me realize, I know we're going to wrap up here
00:55:33.660
soon, but traditionalism and older times versus now, I always say, I think when we hear the word
00:55:38.300
traditional or traditional, I always say in what era, right? Are we talking about like pre-Christian
00:55:43.580
Viking times? Are we talking about thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, eighties? It's just,
00:55:48.740
it's very different. And I think it kind of needs a little bit of a tweaking or updating right now to,
00:55:54.100
to fit our current problems. Cause not everyone has the kind of luxuries that they had, let's say
00:55:58.980
like the 1950s housewife, for instance, we're dealing with new battles and new stuff and new
00:56:03.960
stresses. And it's a harder time, but the most important thing is having that masculine and that,
00:56:09.200
that feminine that that's there for the family. And you just kind of naturally fall into some of those
00:56:13.440
roles, but it doesn't mean that Benny isn't going to cook a dinner sometimes. Cause I know you're a good cook,
00:56:17.460
right? Yeah. There's about, I mean, yeah, you, you, you, you scratch each other's bag,
00:56:22.300
you pick up the slack for the other ones sometimes and you find yourself in certain roles and it's okay
00:56:28.560
to not be so married to some of those every, I don't know, you know, you find a flow and yeah,
00:56:35.140
I mean, I think that we're dealing with, let me say, how do I say this right? Progressivism.
00:56:41.900
Like that is the problem. Progressivism, the, the, the, the, the ideology, the mindset that
00:56:48.340
everything always needs to change because what's, what is, or what has been is flawed or outdated or
00:56:55.320
whatever, misogynistic, homophobic. And then we always be progressing towards the future,
00:57:00.440
which is really just a trick to think people into wanting big government. The government will solve
00:57:06.460
all the problems of the previous, you know, outdated situation. Nope. It's up to us. As you say,
00:57:14.180
well, Benny, tell us about all your websites and what you have going on and where people can find
00:57:18.020
you and take your course and all of that. Sure. Well, my course is called Parhigia,
00:57:23.180
the art of communication. It's actually in week one right now. Like I'm, I had my introductory
00:57:28.560
prologue presentation last week and my first meet and greet workshop with students,
00:57:33.640
but tonight's the first presentation. So if someone's interested, who's listening you can
00:57:39.140
go to the website that's on the screen right now and sign up. Just know that only the standard tier,
00:57:44.320
the least expensive tier is still available. And the other two are sold out, but if you want in,
00:57:49.420
now's a good time because we're just getting started and you won't be behind. And if not,
00:57:55.140
maybe just sign up for my mailing list so you can be in the loop for future seasons. And the easiest
00:57:59.140
way to do that is to watch my meme show. So I do a weekly meme show, meme roundup on my YouTube
00:58:04.820
channel, but it's also my bitch shoot and my Brideon and my Odyssey channel where I collect
00:58:10.880
the week's best memes, in my opinion, and present them in a show. And you can sign up for the meme
00:58:16.680
mailing list where I'll send you a link with a zip drive of all the episodes, memes that you can use
00:58:23.460
to, um, scour the internet, your social media platforms with, because I think that memes are
00:58:28.820
the best thing on social media and they document the times really well. They tell a story very
00:58:33.660
simply and they're funny. So I'm a big fan. So I host a meme show and you can get my mailing list
00:58:39.480
that way. And yeah, I'm somehow still on YouTube. So it's joy camp, but I'm also on the other ones
00:58:45.500
as well. I mean, a few of them anyway, bitch shoot Brideon Odyssey. And if you, if that was
00:58:51.460
too much information, just go to BennyWills.com. Awesome. Well, thank you for dropping by. It's
00:58:55.420
always, always a pleasure friend and neighbor. Yes. Yeah. So we'll have you over for dinner soon.
00:59:01.680
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