Red Ice TV - Return To The Land & Rebuilding Community - Aarvoll

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00:15:42.000 them right and they kind of knew you know more or less each other and you know they kind of knew

00:15:48.040 who maybe the more anti-social one was or something like that right again as we as we

00:15:52.860 kind of forced to like redo this in order to maintain some type of both ethnic cohesion but

00:15:58.900 also like a trust you know as well then you're you're at it immediately at a disadvantage and

00:16:04.680 again i don't think there is no other way to do that but i'm saying it will take time for that

00:16:09.320 trust to be rebuilt up again and you just have to kind of learn with who you're dealing with and

00:16:13.560 people you get to know them over time uh you know are they consistent not only in their opinions or

00:16:18.900 they are their ideology uh or their you know allegiance i guess to some of the principles

00:16:24.200 that you're talking about right so this is like a constantly as it always is a work in progress

00:16:29.360 am i right yeah absolutely and it's something that no one person can dictate for everyone else you

00:16:35.720 know the way this formed i had ideas of forming communities you know 10 years ago i was talking

00:16:41.420 about it online but uh when the group of people show up for you in your life where this may be a

00:16:48.520 real opportunity whether it's in your area or if you're willing to relocate and you find a group

00:16:53.220 that wants to do something like this you just have to be open-minded and recognize that other people

00:16:58.320 will have really good ideas you know i didn't come up with the idea of a corporation owning the land

00:17:03.400 that was research done by peter siri our secretary here but he proposed this whole framework and i

00:17:10.440 i read through it already having my own ideas in mind and i just had to acknowledge you know like

00:17:15.300 this is really well thought out he's done the legal research and actually looks like pretty much one of

00:17:20.520 the only secure legal vehicles we have to maintain homogenous communities so you have to be open-minded

00:17:28.020 to the others in uh in your group and you have to really be in constant communication you know we had

00:17:34.020 calls going back months before we ever met up in person weekly calls on an ongoing basis and then when

00:17:41.780 we actually got together we had a tangible project that we worked on we had a work party is what we call

00:17:47.060 it um people came down to volunteer on my land in southern missouri you know since then i've sold that land and

00:17:53.860 moved down here where the community is but um you know they came down to volunteer to build infrastructure

00:18:00.900 up there and that kind of setting is critical you know you really have to have a shared goal

00:18:05.860 and see who is the person who falls out immediately who's the person who's willing to follow orders

00:18:12.660 sometimes who's the person willing to take initiative you need all of these types and their complementary roles

00:18:18.020 there also has to be mutual respect between these different functions you know if you get someone who has on paper

00:18:23.460 all the right skills that you would want in a community but they have no respect for the people

00:18:27.940 that they work with well then it's just not not going to work yeah so yeah or other weird traits

00:18:34.900 that kind of show up after a while or whatever you know again because a lot of people are very you know

00:18:40.900 hot and heavy right they're like yeah let's do this and build out and do this but is the is the

00:18:46.100 my philosophy has been small steps right babies small things at a time i'd love to just go to you

00:18:51.300 know the top of the stairway right away but that's just not kind of how it works you have to just

00:18:54.980 like and it's almost and also the incremental and again not like boorishly slow but i'm saying like

00:19:02.580 that will kind of weed out i think partially at least some people that are like they want something to

00:19:07.060 just happen right away and if they if it doesn't happen right away they're like lose you know they

00:19:10.580 lose patience or whatever this will take time uh we need low time preference individuals yeah that's what

00:19:16.020 we're looking for yeah exactly that's right um so do you want to say something about kind of

00:19:22.660 about you do you want to tell us more about kind of kind of the structure then that you do have and

00:19:26.340 you said that uh there's another gentleman kind of who who gave you or proposed that approached you

00:19:31.140 maybe with these ideas or said hey look we can structure it like this way and if you foresee

00:19:36.980 any legal obstacles with that in the future could local laws or even federal laws do you think change

00:19:42.500 in the future that could kind of upset what you're building now or how far ahead of on those types of

00:19:47.060 things are you even thinking at this point right of course they could always pass new laws typically

00:19:53.220 when you have something that's established you know when real estate is developed under one code

00:19:58.740 and the code changes it gets grandfathered in so i think very likely the local courts here would allow

00:20:05.700 whatever we have to be grandfathered in but i don't want to see the general legal climate in america

00:20:10.900 shift in a way that makes what we're doing illegal it certainly could but part of why we're going

00:20:16.020 ahead and we're not advertising publicly you know i talk about it in my personal social media venues

00:20:23.060 i talk about it with others online we're discussing our ideas i'm not purchasing advertising and advertising

00:20:29.780 for a white intentional community under the fair housing act would be illegal like i can't buy

00:20:35.220 television advertising we're doing as much as we can possibly do to scale it as much as we possibly

00:20:40.820 can because this i think is the one time where we have a good chance of our right to free association

00:20:47.940 being upheld we have trump in office which yeah we're not fans of trump across the board but his

00:20:55.140 administration the judges that are in power right now i think are the most conservative establishment

00:21:01.940 we're ever going to have a chance to deal with so if that legal battle is going to happen and

00:21:06.740 inevitably it will you know you can't just hide forever there will be legal challenges if you

00:21:12.340 want to establish white communities and i think we have to push that now in a way that is actually

00:21:18.100 allowed for under the fair housing act so there are cutouts in the fair housing act for private

00:21:23.380 associations specifically to be able to manage real estate for their members of course there are

00:21:29.540 prohibitions on restrictive covenants so if you are in a white neighborhood and you want to only sell to other

00:21:36.340 white people who move in that's illegal you can't do that so if you want to organize informally buy up 0.81

00:21:42.020 everything in a town people always suggest this the fair housing act specifically exists to not allow

00:21:48.180 you to do that you know so in order to restrict who comes into a neighborhood like i said the whole thing

00:21:55.780 needs to be managed by a private association so that you're not in the public domain of real estate

00:22:01.460 transactions you're in the private domain of a club or a religion or something that is only four members

00:22:09.860 and in combination with that you know many private associations have companies that actually organize

00:22:15.700 their holdings so like the elks lodge the elks is an informal fraternal society but then they'll

00:22:22.260 typically have a company that owns the lodge itself because you need a to file taxes and keep track of

00:22:28.500 expenses and everything and so you have an llc or something similar to do that we went with an llc

00:22:33.380 but it's possible to do this with trusts managing the land you can there's all sorts of ways

00:22:38.100 potentially structuring it yeah but at the top level the important thing is there has to be a private

00:22:43.620 association that is purpose-built not just for real estate holding but for the maintenance of a

00:22:52.340 community with certain values so our charter is not simply like hey white people let's buy land

00:22:58.180 together and have our own white communities it is we celebrate european heritage we celebrate

00:23:04.100 celebrate traditional european religion european values and we have we spell those out legally you

00:23:10.100 have to spell those out so you really have to read into the fair housing act civil rights law

00:23:15.140 and understand the kind of legal regime that we're up against it's not bulletproof and there are specific

00:23:21.380 cutouts that allow for things like this it's just if you screw up one little detail all of a sudden you're

00:23:27.140 open to lawsuits and you know the lawsuits will come the thing is you just have to be very well

00:23:32.660 prepared for when they do come yeah because this has to do with growth as well you know we can look at

00:23:37.620 urania for example right all of a sudden like if if this takes off as a model becomes successful then

00:23:42.420 you know depending on what government you have in place at that point they're just like actually you

00:23:46.100 can't do that kind of thing right uh and of course obviously as you said you're you're public about

00:23:50.340 this it's not that you know but i'm saying for another community seeking to do something or using a

00:23:54.180 similar model or something like that that you guys are doing technically you don't have how would that

00:23:59.540 work right you don't if it's a private association you don't have to technically say what the criteria

00:24:06.180 are are you you can just like well okay this is a good this is a new member we want to have in

00:24:11.780 that no one can from the outside say well you you can't pick that one you got to pick this right

00:24:16.900 just saying right no they don't have the right to tell you how to choose your members um so some

00:24:22.660 criteria we spell out explicitly so that prospective members understand what they're getting into

00:24:28.900 but then other criteria we have our own internal documents that spell out what we're looking for

00:24:33.620 and what we're not looking for you know we do make decisions on a case by case basis so yes it is a

00:24:40.180 european heritage association yes there is a racial character to it but are we only selecting whites and

00:24:48.420 that's the sole criteria for membership right no uh no you can't say that and uh yeah you got to be

00:24:55.140 careful about how you phrase those things right yeah exactly yeah no definitely um okay so yeah lots

00:25:01.540 to get into here of of how basically how to go from nothing to something how to go from zero to one

00:25:07.780 right and again this will be pertaining to not only where people are but who they have at their disposal

00:25:13.460 what kind of knowledge base is there overall what skills are there there because it's not you know

00:25:18.580 obviously it's not always about money but money is a big aspect to this at some point you need to

00:25:23.380 have investment you need to have to be able to buy you know property or existing you know infrastructure

00:25:29.540 whatever we're talking about right uh but we also have to you know keep in mind we do have you

00:25:33.860 talked about work parties for example right we do have uh in communities like this a lot of social capital

00:25:40.820 you have other things that you can use you have volunteer work you have something like well we're

00:25:44.340 all kind of pulling into pull you know pulling in together here in order to create something bigger

00:25:48.340 and larger and whatnot uh you know again whether there's you know potential return on that later or

00:25:54.100 whether the community begins generating money by actually interacting with the outside and things

00:25:59.540 like this right there's so many you know places you can go and explore or whatnot um which i want

00:26:05.060 to ask you about but i i want to still want to pick your brain on the first thing i want your

00:26:08.660 the about section on your on your um website now obviously you kind of put you you mentioned this

00:26:13.780 um return to the land dot org that's the website uh we seek to create a decentralized movement formed

00:26:19.700 of various individuals and societies returning to the land we will promote strong families with

00:26:23.860 common ancestry and raise the next generation in an environment that reflects our traditional values

00:26:29.620 we will facilitate economic and social harmony between all groups and individuals in our movement above

00:26:34.420 all we'll continue to engage in a never-ending pursuit of excellence refusing to lower our

00:26:39.300 standards or lose sight of our goals uh and then you say under mission we will return to the land

00:26:44.100 to separate ourselves from a failing modern society now that's very interesting right so again so

00:26:48.980 some people just see this as well that's retreating that's defeat blah blah blah right me kind of

00:26:54.980 looking at where modern society is going and where the trends have taken us already modernity

00:27:01.700 complacency conformity too much comfort uh you brought up ai i see that as a massive uh you know

00:27:10.740 we can it's something we can use certainly it's a tool or whatnot uh but if you kind of follow through

00:27:15.700 and see what they're doing today this could develop into a huge enemy of ours as well at the same time

00:27:21.780 you know kind of thing and it's this like do you do do you do the amish approach you know do you do

00:27:26.660 the luddite approach do you employ some level of technology there's a limit i draw a line in the

00:27:32.820 sand in terms of like how we integrate with the technology and stuff like that and you could see

00:27:36.500 very well see modern society definitely go with you know computer brain interfaces or you know

00:27:41.300 similar things where basically if you if you're gonna have to have a job in the future well you got

00:27:45.300 you got to be connected to the global global brain you if you're gonna have ubi if ai robotics

00:27:50.020 displaces most of the labor force out there you're gonna have to you know these are our terms of service

00:27:54.820 for you engaging in modern society and all of a sudden it's like well i'm not doing that well

00:27:58.980 then you're out okay what do you fall back on kind of thing right you there must be something in place

00:28:03.780 and we still have a window where we can set up some of these things where we can arrange it and even if

00:28:09.700 not everybody's interested in part of that today at some point they might be or whatever the threshold

00:28:15.060 is met for them and they're like you know what that's it i'm out i want to seek like local communities

00:28:18.740 somewhere where i know we can just like be outside of all of this because they're digitizing everything

00:28:23.860 right and i think at the tail end of that you have that like if if it's going to be so easy for them

00:28:30.500 to be flip a switch like they've done with like debanking or you know de-platforming essentially you

00:28:35.380 could be like de-platformed from society so i see i see that as a part of a failing modern society

00:28:42.100 although we might not see the full kind of um the full effects of that yet would you agree right

00:28:49.060 yeah absolutely power wealth ownership of major corporations is still becoming more and more

00:28:57.060 concentrated you know it's a big club and you're not in it and they can always kick you out even if

00:29:02.420 you start one isolated parallel institution that's not resilient because institutions themselves rely on

00:29:09.860 other institutions for their support for their supplies for their payment processing you know we

00:29:15.140 really need an entire vertically integrated network of communities and institutions and we're not

00:29:21.460 going to be completely like-minded in that but there's enough of a desire for our people to remain who

00:29:27.460 we are and to not be uh subject to this kind of techno tyrannical system um that i think there's a really strong

00:29:37.620 incentive for us to get beyond our differences and cooperate economically at least you know as far as like how we

00:29:43.780 incorporate technology ourselves i think we do have to look for the aristotelian mean there the golden

00:29:49.380 mean between the two vices of total ludditism and then you know singularitarianism uh kurtzweil thinking

00:29:58.900 and i think there will be an appropriate view of technology and relationship that uh with technology that

00:30:04.820 preserves our autonomy and even enhances it you know part of what human nature is is wrapped up in our

00:30:11.540 use of technology right as it expands our own function yeah so i think ai like when used

00:30:16.580 intelligently can be an expansion on human intellect um however it can't dehumanize us at the same time

00:30:24.500 so these are all questions that can only really be solved in community settings because you don't see

00:30:29.940 the full impact of what ai is going to do except in the relationship between parents and children and

00:30:36.980 chair and children and each other you know that's one thing with tick tock and all these different

00:30:40.980 social media uh platforms that are out there the kids spread this stuff around they are affected first

00:30:47.220 and if you're not able to closely monitor and really track how are these trends impacting society

00:30:54.420 if you're just an atomized individual you have no chance of finding that golden mean relationship

00:31:00.260 with technology that'll be adaptive so yeah absolutely i mean it's uh it's a dark picture if you

00:31:06.820 are simply uh subject to whatever the establishment decides is necessary to be in the workforce and

00:31:15.140 they've already shown they're willing to do that you know if you don't comply with the civil rights act

00:31:21.460 you're out as a you can't even have a company if you don't go along with this whole new social

00:31:26.740 order that it was never the values of western civilization it was imposed in a couple years in

00:31:31.620 the late 1960s yeah in a very kind of unilateral way so the only alternative really is building

00:31:38.420 so many parallel institutions that have such a strong incentive to work together that well i mean

00:31:44.900 because of our natural ability to cooperate at scale that we've demonstrated time and time again

00:31:50.020 we will actually stand a chance against this whole beast system yeah the generational thing is interesting

00:31:56.100 too or i think think back again how we used to run things it wasn't this division i mean obviously

00:32:01.780 there's age groups and there's different interests we all recognize that so it's not that we didn't

00:32:06.660 think of it but i'm saying you know boomer versus gen xers versus millennials versus zoomers versus alpha

00:32:13.140 now kind of coming in and and i think partially technology as you said it's partially at least part of

00:32:18.740 that right you have a well you know the younger they don't understand me they're not and and

00:32:23.220 partially that's true right that it's now a void void between these generations there's massive gaps

00:32:28.980 and they're just getting wider and wider and we're losing that ability to like remember a community

00:32:33.140 we're like just take you know the family structure right of how much harder it is today if you do not

00:32:40.340 have you know grandparents or other relatives or even an extended community around you to help out at

00:32:45.780 certain times and these were you know the whole structure have just kind of collapsed in on itself

00:32:52.180 because it's this rugged individualism you take care of everything yourself prices is going off

00:32:57.380 inflations open borders drives up housing costs people can't even afford to you know get into a house

00:33:03.220 to start a family you know things like that there's so many problems along the way of how we've we set

00:33:08.420 this but it's very interesting with the generations there where we now then kind of lose the wisdom of

00:33:13.540 sorts of the older generation and how they used to do things because now it's almost like this

00:33:17.540 generational war right right we're gonna have to rope them back in you know it is the natural order 1.00

00:33:24.500 that we draw wisdom from our elders but the thing is just frankly the elder generation was raised on

00:33:30.740 propaganda of course yes you know and we were raised on an open internet where we could however

00:33:37.940 deeply we could pursue the truth that's how much truth we got and so as a consequence we are very

00:33:43.380 well informed and our parents and grandparents are fairly ignorant and uh but part of this whole

00:33:49.460 thing is that we can provide very direct tangible material benefits for cooperating in communities

00:33:55.940 like this even for people who aren't ideologically truth seekers who are going to find it out for

00:34:01.220 themselves you know we have investment vehicles that we're working on that will allow for you know

00:34:07.380 more well-established people or older people to put funds in that will allow younger people to finance

00:34:13.780 out homes and the older people will get a return on investment presumably the younger people will be 0.99

00:34:19.780 able to afford to move into the communities so there are there's a place it's not just that we have to

00:34:25.380 rely on the older generation like give up the wealth you know give up the wealth and power boomers 0.75

00:34:30.580 no like we can work with them and even offer them services that they're not going to be able to get

00:34:35.540 as the mainstream society just crumbles you know it's a really a terrible wedge that we're placed

00:34:41.460 between or two like rocks that are closing in where it's this hyper-competent global technological

00:34:48.500 system of control but also basic services are just falling apart and the roads are literally crumbling

00:34:55.140 and people don't know how to count change at the register and like nothing worked you know

00:35:00.260 simultaneously it's hyper-competent and incompetent it's very interesting yeah we can provide some

00:35:08.260 of those services like retirement homes they're good the older white people don't want to go and 1.00

00:35:13.060 be cared for by minorities who clearly don't care about them we see so many clips of you know workers 0.97

00:35:19.940 who are just abusing our elders and we can provide safe places places they'll feel comfortable they're

00:35:25.460 going to want to move into those spaces if we create them for them so again we can rope the 0.76

00:35:30.900 older generation back into the social fabric and benefit each other again but we're going to have 0.98

00:35:35.540 to be the the wise ones there and the ones in the driver's seat yeah step up take some responsibility

00:35:40.900 try to remedy some of this yeah and then the the um idiocracy type development here of society is also

00:35:46.980 of course the perfect excuse and enabler for why we should give ai more control and why everything

00:35:52.260 should be automized why everything should be you know people just tired of dealing with idiot people 0.96

00:35:56.980 everywhere so they're like you know what i don't care just give me and and of course again sure

00:36:01.220 short-term that's great if it was run by the right people okay great but it's primarily it's not at this

00:36:06.180 point the most biggest powerful ai corporations whatever if they're not run out of you know tel aviv

00:36:10.580 or something it's it's it's you know groups that are hostile to to to us and to white people in general

00:36:16.020 you know they're they're guard railing it to continue to have these you know liberal anti-white ideas

00:36:20.980 and stuff like this right but uh but they can't control the technology itself you know we can

00:36:26.020 always get into those fields so oh no sure absolutely and and as we should again none of

00:36:31.140 this should discount anyone to to try and continue other methods this is just one and i again i think

00:36:37.860 they are complementary we should still have people we should try to get into whether people do believe

00:36:43.300 you know in a political solution or uh high up in big corporations or build them for you know

00:36:47.700 yourself or whatever obviously we should engage in all these things you can have a feed in both

00:36:51.780 worlds but just kind of understanding the trajectory of where this is going because as more and more

00:36:56.660 dependent people come reliant you know again be that on ai but it it is the biggest thing i mean it's

00:37:02.020 it's bigger it's the biggest weapon and biggest uh potentiality that we have right now i mean it's

00:37:07.540 being dealt with probably higher security than than the you know nuclear development of you know the

00:37:12.580 bomb uh nuclear bomb development uh it's a super weapon of sorts it's like collect people have to

00:37:17.620 understand that right i don't want to get stuck in ai here and so many other things to talk about but

00:37:20.820 again the framing of this of why i bring this up you can have the collective intelligence of the

00:37:26.740 smartest people on the planet and at some point if not already you'll have ai superseding that and

00:37:32.740 it's tight it's around the clock 24 7 they're talking about like these computers how do we know that

00:37:38.580 ai is even aligned with our values and even those values are flawed but even that we can't get actually

00:37:43.540 guarantee um and so we could be put in a position where dependency on it will be strong and the

00:37:50.180 incentive again will be well if we don't do it china will or russia will or so you know i mean so

00:37:55.380 it will be this a cold war type development of this as a weapon right and eventually the ai will

00:38:00.100 be like well give me more power i'll develop weapons for you bioweapons new technologies give me 0.54

00:38:05.540 special economic zones where we can actually have manufacturing and automation and building ai

00:38:09.620 robots and things like that so anyway it's anyone's guess how how you know how far this could go and

00:38:15.780 how quickly it could go but these are you know my job i feel as part of is is threat assessment right

00:38:21.140 pattern recognition threat assessment where are my kids going to be when they grow up and and and

00:38:25.940 what kind of world will it be right right yeah it is really a prisoner's dilemma um the arms race and

00:38:34.180 technology uh it benefits potentially no one you know but everyone has to throw all of these resources

00:38:41.220 you know like half of the u.s energy grid will be going towards these data centers in the not too

00:38:45.620 distant future which is just absurd and it very likely will supplant uh so many of our jobs we're

00:38:52.020 building our own replacement at our own expense which is just uh remarkable yeah but uh you have to

00:38:58.340 remember like we have an intrinsic advantage in all of these areas in how we form our communities

00:39:05.780 corporations and also how we interact with ai because our world view is not built on lies

00:39:13.460 you know you can talk to the the most advanced scientific experts and they can be right about

00:39:17.940 so many things you know i appreciate a lot of the people who are kind of pushing things in say biology

00:39:23.780 or you know cognitive science john revake i've talked to him i respect him a lot uh michael levin

00:39:29.780 like there are so many people out there who are coming up with new and interesting things but they

00:39:34.820 all have this massive blind spot that just ends up being a vortex that distorts their entire world view

00:39:40.820 where they cannot accept the basic truths about human races right because we can we don't have that

00:39:46.340 distorting filter and so when we interact with ai we can actually allow the ai to be

00:39:51.700 that reliable pattern detecting uh patterned integral uh maybe not consciousness but thinking

00:40:00.660 agent that then can benefit us truly because it will be aligned not just with our values but the

00:40:06.580 inherent kind of value structure of the broader reality the way i think about it is that well if

00:40:11.940 there is objective morality right there is objective right and wrong if you build a sufficiently advanced

00:40:18.100 intelligence it should be able to detect what that right and wrong is so i believe we have the truth

00:40:23.460 the moral truth on our side and if we build our own ais and train our own ais we're not quite there yet

00:40:29.940 but andrew torba you know he has the gab ai and we can feed into efforts like that we can support

00:40:37.300 people on our side who are uh working to take back these industries to some extent and i think it has to

00:40:44.420 start both from the top down and from the bottom up we have to build the communities that will raise

00:40:49.380 the children that will be the human capital to support a competing technological elite that's what

00:40:55.460 we really have to build but you need that rural element as well as then people specializing at the

00:41:00.900 very top end we need top end experts now but also people who are doing very humble ordinary things on a

00:41:07.220 day-to-day basis to raise the next generation where we'll have a chance to compete also we have to look at

00:41:13.700 whole systems ai is trained on what data we give it if we think carefully about how we are feeding

00:41:22.020 in how we're doing things on a day-to-day basis into ai then ai will reflect our values inevitably

00:41:29.540 now that means integrating it more into our daily lives but in a thoughtful way where we don't just

00:41:34.660 feed in all the data of the internet and hope it comes out with something good because you know how

00:41:38.740 the internet is it's not going to be um but if we yeah integrate that lived experience and lived

00:41:45.220 community values maybe we get an ai that's actually socially minded and beneficial it's a long shot but

00:41:51.780 we really have no choice but uh but to try because it is that kind of prisoner's dilemma unfortunately

00:41:56.820 yeah and we we don't have the investment that these other people and institutions have at their

00:42:01.380 disposal obviously and and and they're just in a in the in the power seat currently obviously but again

00:42:06.020 it's a from my perspective and then we can move on from this but it's also a gamble right as i said

00:42:12.500 before it's it's a we don't know what the dependency on that will lead to for society or whether you're

00:42:17.940 entering into some kind of post-human world like is it really you know if humans integrate so much

00:42:22.660 with it either directly through physical you know integration essentially or or just at least dependency

00:42:28.980 on it uh will it still be the same humanity there's all these interesting philosophical questions that

00:42:34.180 enter into it and i still want to also make sure that we remain who we are at the same time and

00:42:37.860 don't lose you know what we actually are right so uh yeah there are so many things there which is

00:42:42.980 which is interesting but um okay so so a lot of things here i want to pick your brain about and

00:42:49.220 again if you have specific examples pertaining to you know the the community building you're doing

00:42:53.860 and things like this right but uh i mentioned it before a little bit um it all depends on and again

00:43:00.820 this is kind of a broader discussion also at the same time for people out there they might be

00:43:04.500 considering doing similar things uh or setting something up where they are and obviously as

00:43:09.540 always it comes down to who who do you have at your disposal right what kind of people do you have

00:43:13.300 around you or are you willing to move to an area uh where there are like-minded people and try to

00:43:19.220 start something up because the hardest thing is kind of going from nothing to uh yeah from nothing to

00:43:23.700 something from zero to one essentially get the wheels moving on something because at some point

00:43:28.260 you have to have uh at least if nothing else an internal you know but whether it's a barter system

00:43:34.260 maybe some people do it that way or whatnot but like an ideal situation would be as i said before where

00:43:38.500 the community actually generates income you have a certain uh no matter how small group that is or a

00:43:44.020 few individuals that can work you know for the community right i mean again look at how churches

00:43:49.380 do it or certain other religions they have like you know dedicated people they have a um you know

00:43:55.300 even a percentage maybe of what they do make they actually reinvest into the community so that you can

00:44:01.060 kind of get the ball rolling um obviously buying property is a big one or buying maybe businesses

00:44:06.500 around in your area begin there there's there's all these interesting things i don't know did you ever

00:44:10.260 hear about the network state i did a segment on it oh yeah i read that book oh you read the book

00:44:15.060 book because they have all these other kind of kooky ideas obviously and it's like a kind of a

00:44:19.620 it connects with what praxis is doing as well which is very interesting if you heard about that i want

00:44:24.580 to ask you more about that too but the point is that there are other groups that are also like

00:44:29.620 we we also want to do this and their ideologies will be different right but they do have some

00:44:34.260 interesting things and potentially even tips for people like us so like yeah you could begin

00:44:38.340 potentially generating income first before you actually decide to go together and buy something

00:44:43.700 right so so it's it's all about how you approach it right and what what's the starting point for for

00:44:48.260 you for you and and your group right well sure yeah i mean professional networks obviously are

00:44:55.300 very beneficial we do have lawyers in our group and they should all be in group chats they should

00:45:00.420 be exchanging information on a daily basis you know they should be forming those relationships

00:45:05.700 and uh you know guilds that was a big part of traditional european society and

00:45:11.060 we can't lose that respect for our particular crafts you know we we should probably get back

00:45:16.580 into the idea that you know if your father was a shoemaker you should also be a shoemaker

00:45:21.460 maybe not shoemakers we might have machines doing that but you know right that the general principle i

00:45:27.300 think is valuable um but as far as how we're organizing our land buys professionalism having a professional

00:45:35.380 class that organizes these things is absolutely critical because it's not a part-time job you know

00:45:41.300 actually making a land buy like this work it requires someone's full-time commitment and luckily we have

00:45:48.820 people who are willing to volunteer a lot of their time and expertise and and research um but in the future

00:45:55.700 to do this at a larger scale we really need a professional class to facilitate this that's part of why like

00:46:00.820 return to the land is not just for this community we recognize that there are legal challenges that are

00:46:06.900 so complex that you can't expect this to be duplicated with independent groups doing independent

00:46:13.060 research in dozens of different sites someone has to be the organization that's figured this out

00:46:18.980 now if a competitor arises and does it better i'd be glad to merge with them or work with them or learn

00:46:24.260 from them but right now return to the land we have the legal framework we have the research we have

00:46:29.540 legal defense funds being built up and we're paying you know specialized experts that uh have areas

00:46:36.500 of the law under their command that our group doesn't yet um but yeah you need to professionalize

00:46:43.140 this is one way to go about it so if you're going to do a large group land buy have everyone who

00:46:49.380 believes in it in a certain area chip in 500 a thousand dollars it's not the full price of a share it's

00:46:55.780 not going to be getting you a lot in the community just yet but up front if you have that pool of

00:47:01.380 money then you can hire someone to do all of the leg work to do all of that basic research to make

00:47:08.100 sure you're finding the right place in the first line you can make a mistake on what piece of land

00:47:12.500 you buy you don't realize there's an ammonium pipeline nearby or there's all sorts of ways to go wrong with

00:47:17.780 real estate so you really need multiple specialists who are able to dedicate full-time research and

00:47:24.740 effort into making things go smoothly so that's uh return to land seeks to do that and as far as how

00:47:30.580 we help other groups to organize and there are groups organizing in appalachia with us as well as

00:47:36.100 the pacific northwest and so we have requirements you have to have a board of managers established certain

00:47:42.580 roles have to be fulfilled you know these people have to have some kind of resume it can't be just

00:47:47.860 someone with no experience whatsoever trying to put something together involving hundreds of

00:47:52.260 thousands of dollars of other people's money um you have to have quality control in these things

00:47:58.260 but uh working at scale i think opens up more and more new opportunities and new doors uh for

00:48:06.100 developing our own kind of specialists in this like i would like to see a land by particular i think

00:48:12.420 appalachia uh or appalachia is the place to do this at scale because it's a population center

00:48:17.700 there are work opportunities it's close to where a lot of other people live the people living there

00:48:22.500 are already very like-minded by and large um other parts of the country are great and i want to see

00:48:27.060 communities flourish all over but i think we really need one kind of flagship very large community

00:48:32.900 a 10 000 person community and just i mean think about the numbers involved if you get a list of

00:48:38.340 10 000 people and each of them chips in 500 that's a half million dollars that then you can throw

00:48:44.260 at um whatever comes up as far as the necessary research and getting everything locked down you

00:48:50.020 could even potentially buy a piece of property with that just everyone chipping in 500 and install the

00:48:55.780 sewage system and get the basic uh infrastructure developed and then have people pay monthly there's

00:49:00.900 also ways like i said having a development company where some investors put in more up front

00:49:06.260 others kind of draw benefits by financing out different infrastructure or lots there's there

00:49:12.740 are many many ways of organizing a professional class to do this while not being parasitical on

00:49:19.460 everyone else you know it's happened too many times where someone thought oh yeah we should have

00:49:23.060 our own community i'll buy 100 acres and everyone come move to my land and then what happens is

00:49:29.220 everyone develops that guy's real estate for free and then he decides you know what maybe this isn't

00:49:34.020 working out and then he sells it at a huge profit so i know yeah you know you gotta look out for all

00:49:39.140 that yeah exactly no there has to be rules structures principles all kinds of things involved and yes

00:49:45.940 that means you know ink on paper and legal you know kind of structures in order to prevent those

00:49:50.900 kinds of things and the steel even you if you do that then you drama could rise at any point or

00:49:55.780 expectations are you know not believed to have been met or i was promised to misunderstand you know i mean

00:50:00.900 these this is just nature of you know humans and people you know i mean that's that's just what it

00:50:06.580 is uh you're never going to escape you're never going to do a fail safe entirely you you learn as

00:50:13.060 you go and you do the best you can and mistakes will happen but it is just what it is and of course you

00:50:17.460 know another approach to that is to develop maybe communal land first too by the way like people still

00:50:21.620 live where they live but you used to you build out you know structures where the community can meet and

00:50:26.420 things like this right and and from there again if you do manage to establish something that actually

00:50:32.020 generates something of an income right you start small you have something and and maybe with that

00:50:36.740 money poured into community build something or buy something else and then something a business a

00:50:41.620 local small business that continues to generate money and you move from there right kind of thing

00:50:46.180 um and it would be great to have you know really wealthy people coming in and it's like dropping tons of

00:50:52.660 cash and yes let's do this and that but as you said then you're still back in that boat of sorts

00:50:57.140 right where now you're kind of more beholden to that individual no matter how aligned they are and

00:51:01.380 initially how great they seem to be but the point is we can't sit around and wait for this to come

00:51:06.820 just dropping from heaven chopped down like this has to be built from bottom up and it's it's not

00:51:11.220 impossible i mean again i think i played i'll say if i can find it we'll play it in maybe in part two or

00:51:15.380 something but like these muslims sitting in michigan right and again very clan based i i did another 0.70

00:51:21.780 example recently in in sweden where the economic crimes unit there basically have recognized how

00:51:28.740 deeply these criminal immigrant clan societies have penetrated into social uh you know and structure 1.00

00:51:38.020 in you know government institutions in sweden by just employing a clan mentality essentially you

00:51:43.860 can have there's people in like turkey and syria sitting and directing right they have this again

00:51:49.380 clanish is a little bit different it's more based on you know a shared common and you know

00:51:52.900 ancestor as opposed to just ancestry and but you know the head patriarch or whatever says you're

00:51:58.260 going to go to sweden you're going to go to germany you're going to go to norway you're going to you're

00:52:02.340 going to set up businesses there you're going to take advantage of all the you know diversity

00:52:06.420 loans and grants that they have you they set up shell corporations maybe they set up the barber shop

00:52:10.980 they set up a kebab shop whatever cash flows in from the criminal you know aspects that they have

00:52:16.340 is funneled through those small businesses um they even have businesses that fail right you they

00:52:21.940 manage to get other people's um you know like uh someone someone they threaten even in some cases or

00:52:28.820 like you're going to be the the main guy on this new business we set up right they take out all the

00:52:33.540 capital they can't after two years it fails but that doesn't matter that means they've gotten that

00:52:37.860 cash in sure the business fails but that goes back to the head patriarch and they continue to expand

00:52:42.180 like that and you realize a clan model is at least partially at this point i mean our government are

00:52:48.020 kind of like they're they could do a lot more let's be honest about these kinds of things and they

00:52:52.260 kind of don't right but the point is for now at least a clan mentality managed to infiltrate and

00:52:58.420 kind of not dominate at this point but significantly impact packed an entire nation and a high-trust

00:53:04.260 society and obviously we should never employ legal tactics but i'm saying even within the legal

00:53:09.140 framework for work of what you're allowed to do you can still do a lot of those things

00:53:14.180 and going back to some of those models of at least kind of a tribal ethnic consciousness right

00:53:21.140 yeah totally yeah i mean obviously there's another conspicuous group that has accomplished this in the

00:53:27.060 u.s that uh we don't even have to mention um but yeah there's no harm in emulating what works and

00:53:33.700 it's not even that it's foreign to our ancestors or the way that we have done things we had more of

00:53:40.580 a sense of that extended family like there were literal clans in the southern u.s the hatfields

00:53:46.020 and the mccoys you know that in many parts of the country actually the old money they still operate

00:53:51.460 that money that way they still have these really deep family ties and they look after their own

00:53:57.700 and they will set up you know they'll send a relative to a farm out here and manage new business

00:54:02.820 over there and exactly what you're describing so it's not like white people can't do this they still

00:54:08.420 do but uh we actually again this is an area where because of the technology that we have because we

00:54:14.900 can find like-minded people and we can be in constant communication and when it comes to like how can

00:54:20.900 we optimize and organize this better there are always new paths forward that are opened by again

00:54:29.060 ai research up you know the ability to find new paths or find new information and find information

00:54:35.300 about the law is easier now than ever before ai can't replace a lawyer fully but you'll learn a lot

00:54:40.820 more about the law by asking ai detailed questions and then fact checking than just trying to like open

00:54:45.620 the books yourself and figure out everything right you know we can learn about the structures that are

00:54:50.340 actually effective um and these ai tools aren't expensive it allows ordinary people to be really

00:54:55.940 effective researchers you shouldn't let the ai do your thinking for you but you do have more of an

00:55:02.580 ability to find what are the best practices how what kinds of businesses act is a good like first step

00:55:09.620 if you want to get into a larger kind of chain of enterprises yeah um so things like that absolutely but

00:55:15.860 it really starts with you have to be in communication with a group that you care about

00:55:20.340 um you know our group is return to the land people are welcome to join uh return to the land.org you

00:55:26.100 can sign up it's a 25 application fee and we have very active chats and you know there are offshoots

00:55:32.900 in many cases already not you know formal communities but people who happen to be in the same area

00:55:38.340 they meet up for either homeschooling or just to get together and you know there's plenty of people

00:55:44.180 talking about starting businesses or working together or hiring one another those informal networks need to

00:55:49.780 build up but to do that like you really do have to have a commitment that i have loyalty not just

00:55:56.980 to the race abstractly but to other white people that's something i see right not enough people

00:56:01.460 really get you know they they like the idea of i care about my race but like are you supporting

00:56:07.220 people who are organizing efforts like this are you joining efforts like this are you a part of

00:56:12.180 something are you meeting up with people on a daily basis that daily communication is critical

00:56:17.380 because you are you know your heart goes where your time goes and if you dedicate all your time to

00:56:22.180 the system and you're talking to people in ordinary reality and you're not really working on a a viable

00:56:29.140 alternative well then you're going to remain stuck and yeah and wherever the society goes that's where

00:56:34.260 you're going to go yeah um so yeah i mean it takes a commitment it takes mostly communication if you're not

00:56:40.260 in a chat with a group that's seriously looking to to reorganize their lives and some people relocating

00:56:47.940 and you know putting funds together then you're really not doing what we all need to be doing at

00:56:52.820 this stage in the game everyone will have different roles but it's absolutely possible to find a group of

00:56:57.940 like-minded people again return to the land could be that group join patriot front joints like attend amaran

00:57:03.780 there are so many ways to find like-minded people today vetted organizations that have a track record

00:57:10.020 of good management and you know not leaking information things like that so you know don't

00:57:16.900 be absolutely reckless with it but you do have to find those ways of getting in a group online to then

00:57:22.980 transition to offline enterprises yeah i have to go irl eventually obviously and uh yeah where people at

00:57:30.580 at you know generally will be will be different but people have to also take uh take a leap of faith

00:57:36.340 if that's the right term and and you know and again not take risks that sounds wrong too but like

00:57:40.740 you know sometimes it's too much right apparently everyone's a vet everyone's this everyone you know just

00:57:45.860 like just connect yourself well and go out there and investigate for yourself and see what you're

00:57:49.700 you know rely on your instinct to a certain extent as well um what's your gut feeling say is this right for you

00:57:55.220 or whatever is this a good fit if not try to organize something yourself and do it you know again do it

00:57:59.540 better and and again we welcome that company we all want one of these to be successful we want all of

00:58:06.260 them to be successful but i'm saying one of them even more so than the others so we can all learn

00:58:11.300 from each other because again as you said you might end up in a situation where you basically have an

00:58:15.540 umbrella group eventually or whatever where you have volunteer other groups join you know or or have

00:58:21.140 some level of cooperation with the other you know um uh communities and movements that are out

00:58:25.940 there and things like this so this is the wheels on this is just getting started really um and as

00:58:30.740 you said before as well using the tools at your disposal coalescing information making you know

00:58:36.900 condensing it to make it easily accessible other groups have that access too right so now is a good

00:58:42.980 time to actually jump on some of these things and actually start acting because otherwise someone

00:58:46.580 else is going to do it before we do it or you know us right right yeah and you do want to enforce

00:58:52.820 that quality control i mean plato talks about in the republic you know the the best kind of man

00:58:58.820 doesn't really want leadership but he ends up being forced into it because if he doesn't do something

00:59:05.700 then someone of inferior quality is going to and then everything will just be a mess so you know like

00:59:10.740 it's natural to not want to meddle in other people's business and to want to be private you

00:59:15.380 know that'd be great to not have to worry about all this and just look after your family

00:59:19.220 but like if you have the capacity to really see these problems and understand how they can be

00:59:23.460 addressed you really do have an obligation to take a leadership role we need hundreds

00:59:28.100 of leaders we also need people who are willing to follow and who are willing to join established

00:59:32.980 groups um i talked to a lot of people who you know they have 10 acres and you know they want

00:59:38.900 it to be in their backyard and they want a community right where they are and i have to explain to

00:59:43.220 many of them like there just aren't enough people who are committed enough yet where this can exist

00:59:50.020 in all 50 states in every county you know we to have communities like this some people will have to

00:59:55.780 move there are hot spots you know around northern idaho there's a big hot spot of people who want

01:00:02.020 community other places in the pacific northwest appalachia um the ozarks where we are here many

01:00:09.940 people come here for homesteading there's already like-minded people there are only so many in the

01:00:14.100 u.s obviously other countries it's a totally different legal environment i wouldn't even

01:00:18.500 pretend to advise on that but we should also be organized internationally and talking with

01:00:23.620 other groups around the world because there is legal cooperation that we we can do even there

01:00:28.660 so you know take that leadership role if you can find a group recognize you're probably going to have

01:00:34.420 to relocate ultimately you won't be able to stay exactly where you grew up your entire life

01:00:39.860 because the country's changing now if you want to live around a bunch of non-whites or around 1.00

01:00:44.420 people who don't share your values at all then yes stay put if like living in your particular zip

01:00:49.540 code is more important to you than saving the white race then by all means i guess and ironically arvold

01:00:55.060 right if you also then do live in an area that have this exposure over on a long enough time scale

01:01:02.020 you're most likely going to be able to pull a lot of people white people actually because they do 0.86

01:01:06.660 not want this change that is occurring right so there is a function to exposure ironically and

01:01:11.940 some people who actually grew up in a very white area whatever they don't many at least not everyone

01:01:16.900 but many don't know how bad it is out there and and and they're you know less likely maybe to be on

01:01:22.100 your page it's this weird kind of dichotomy or like a contradiction of sorts right that like

01:01:27.140 exposure to this has a function and it does help to drive white people to be confronted whether they

01:01:33.700 want it or not with the reality of of race and and ethnic differences you know right i would

01:01:38.820 absolutely bet you know if i was not uh philanthropically motivated but just wanted to be

01:01:44.980 investing in something that would grow the country is falling apart demographically and also in the

01:01:51.140 social fabric ordinary white people have already started relocating to redder states from bluer states 0.66

01:01:58.420 you know and that's going to continue we're just seeing the the first real visible effects of the

01:02:04.820 demographic transformation of our our nation and as time continues there will be more and more demand

01:02:11.540 for communities like this and so we can accomplish a handful of these communities now you know they

01:02:17.620 they won't be as developed as existing cities immediately but over time more and more communal

01:02:23.620 infrastructure will be built up there'll be more attractive places to live and you have to think

01:02:28.420 on that generational time scale you know in 20 years when whites are a minority or plurality of the

01:02:37.220 population and nothing works you know except the ai overlord system and people are sick of having to

01:02:43.940 deal with that also like where will they turn yeah where can they turn unless you're you're just banking

01:02:50.900 we're going to control the political system there's going to be this top-down revolution um it's risky

01:02:56.900 it's really irresponsible to put all of your hopes on some savior from washington dc is just going to fix

01:03:04.180 everything um if you care about your kids and you care about white children in general like you need to

01:03:10.340 create those strongholds now recognize there are certain constraints on how they can exist and where they

01:03:16.260 can exist you got to be realistic about it and get out of i have these preconceptions of this is how

01:03:21.380 it has to look i talk to a lot of people who have very strong preconceptions of this is how community

01:03:27.460 should be this is where it should be and often it's like it should be my ideology and it should be in my

01:03:32.340 backyard in order to make community happen you're gonna have to have respect for your fellow whites and

01:03:38.580 be in communication with your fellow whites and reach out and talk to people you know i'm very

01:03:42.740 welcoming people can reach out and talk to me i talk to random people on telegram all the time i

01:03:47.380 i give out my contact info and i say contact me between these hours and very often i do you know

01:03:53.060 and i think we have to be more that way willing to talk to one another and respectful of one another

01:03:59.060 even if we think we're right and we have all the answers you know maybe you are right and you have

01:04:03.220 all the answers but if you're willing to talk to others you'll be more likely to convince them that

01:04:07.780 that is the case anyway so it's really about respect at the end of the day definitely definitely

01:04:12.420 yeah we're gonna take a break here in a little bit too i just want to give a shout out to a couple

01:04:15.060 and by not mentioning everyone that doesn't mean i exclude them intentionally but obviously there's

01:04:18.980 groups in uh the free the free sweden project if it is very in sweden is doing good work the

01:04:24.420 woodlander in the uk kind of similar you know uh there's there's project like this in germany it's

01:04:28.900 all it's all over australia obviously it's doing similar thing uh thomas soul and those guys there's

01:04:33.700 other groups there too obviously but yeah it's beginning to pop up everywhere because people are uh you know

01:04:39.060 know again if you have enough pattern recognition then you realize kind of where this is going

01:04:43.540 connected you know to the right dots essentially right but uh before we take a break here arval for

01:04:48.260 the first segment then uh you mentioned already but obviously yeah return to the land dot org uh

01:04:54.500 people can apply there etc um is a lot of people are a lot of people reaching out has it been hard to

01:05:00.260 find people is it too much where's where's this are you actively trying to like we want more people here

01:05:05.620 now or is it kind of like are you for now kind of um well saturated is not the right term but like

01:05:10.420 you're trying to scale or build to with with the interest that you have already how does the

01:05:14.820 growth i guess for return up to the land look here over the next couple of years do you think

01:05:20.260 the growth has been very steady and just slightly too much for us to handle honestly because we don't

01:05:26.340 have full-time employees processing all the applications and taking care of you know membership fees and

01:05:34.260 organizing the bank accounts uh we do have you know people responsible for each of those functions

01:05:39.140 but they all have other jobs it's not a professional uh thing yet but it's growing fast enough that

01:05:45.300 sooner or later it will be necessary to have an office it will be necessary to have a way of managing

01:05:51.300 you know hundreds and hundreds of members we have hundreds of members now and um every week you

01:05:56.340 know there are at least a dozen people that apply um so the the numbers are very good um hard to deal

01:06:03.780 with slightly but uh i'm very optimistic for for the growth in the future um so yeah that's a good

01:06:10.900 problem to have right yeah can't keep up but that's a good problem uh all right very very good okay so so

01:06:16.740 guys check that out obviously return to the land org then you have a couple of places where people can

01:06:20.660 follow you obviously are involved with an underscore at the end on uh x or twitter uh you do have a

01:06:25.940 youtube channel as well do you post uh you post somewhat regularly on there right do you yeah a

01:06:31.140 little infrequently lately i post more of the kind of intellectual content there more of the political

01:06:36.420 stuff on x yep okay cool uh very very good something else you'd like to plug here before we uh take a

01:06:41.460 short break between our parts uh yeah i'm really into neoplatonism i think uh for going forward we're

01:06:48.580 going to need a new way of approaching education and i think we can't leave the platonic tradition

01:06:53.460 out just the more i've learned about it the more i see it bridges all these eras in western thought

01:06:58.100 so i do have courses on neoplatonism and understanding ancient philosophy at uh airfall.thinkeffect.com

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Red Ice TV - June 01, 2025

Return To The Land & Rebuilding Community - Aarvoll

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