Return To The Land & Rebuilding Community - Aarvoll
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1 hour and 12 minutes
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154.09015
Summary
In this episode, we sit down with a man who has been with us for a long time and has been a part of our community for over 20 years. He is a man of many talents and is a great story teller.
Transcript
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them right and they kind of knew you know more or less each other and you know they kind of knew
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who maybe the more anti-social one was or something like that right again as we as we
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kind of forced to like redo this in order to maintain some type of both ethnic cohesion but
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also like a trust you know as well then you're you're at it immediately at a disadvantage and
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again i don't think there is no other way to do that but i'm saying it will take time for that
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trust to be rebuilt up again and you just have to kind of learn with who you're dealing with and
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people you get to know them over time uh you know are they consistent not only in their opinions or
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they are their ideology uh or their you know allegiance i guess to some of the principles
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that you're talking about right so this is like a constantly as it always is a work in progress
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am i right yeah absolutely and it's something that no one person can dictate for everyone else you
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know the way this formed i had ideas of forming communities you know 10 years ago i was talking
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about it online but uh when the group of people show up for you in your life where this may be a
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real opportunity whether it's in your area or if you're willing to relocate and you find a group
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that wants to do something like this you just have to be open-minded and recognize that other people
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will have really good ideas you know i didn't come up with the idea of a corporation owning the land
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that was research done by peter siri our secretary here but he proposed this whole framework and i
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i read through it already having my own ideas in mind and i just had to acknowledge you know like
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this is really well thought out he's done the legal research and actually looks like pretty much one of
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the only secure legal vehicles we have to maintain homogenous communities so you have to be open-minded
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to the others in uh in your group and you have to really be in constant communication you know we had
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calls going back months before we ever met up in person weekly calls on an ongoing basis and then when
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we actually got together we had a tangible project that we worked on we had a work party is what we call
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it um people came down to volunteer on my land in southern missouri you know since then i've sold that land and
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moved down here where the community is but um you know they came down to volunteer to build infrastructure
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up there and that kind of setting is critical you know you really have to have a shared goal
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and see who is the person who falls out immediately who's the person who's willing to follow orders
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sometimes who's the person willing to take initiative you need all of these types and their complementary roles
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there also has to be mutual respect between these different functions you know if you get someone who has on paper
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all the right skills that you would want in a community but they have no respect for the people
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that they work with well then it's just not not going to work yeah so yeah or other weird traits
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that kind of show up after a while or whatever you know again because a lot of people are very you know
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hot and heavy right they're like yeah let's do this and build out and do this but is the is the
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my philosophy has been small steps right babies small things at a time i'd love to just go to you
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know the top of the stairway right away but that's just not kind of how it works you have to just
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like and it's almost and also the incremental and again not like boorishly slow but i'm saying like
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that will kind of weed out i think partially at least some people that are like they want something to
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just happen right away and if they if it doesn't happen right away they're like lose you know they
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lose patience or whatever this will take time uh we need low time preference individuals yeah that's what
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we're looking for yeah exactly that's right um so do you want to say something about kind of
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about you do you want to tell us more about kind of kind of the structure then that you do have and
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you said that uh there's another gentleman kind of who who gave you or proposed that approached you
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maybe with these ideas or said hey look we can structure it like this way and if you foresee
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any legal obstacles with that in the future could local laws or even federal laws do you think change
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in the future that could kind of upset what you're building now or how far ahead of on those types of
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things are you even thinking at this point right of course they could always pass new laws typically
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when you have something that's established you know when real estate is developed under one code
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and the code changes it gets grandfathered in so i think very likely the local courts here would allow
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whatever we have to be grandfathered in but i don't want to see the general legal climate in america
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shift in a way that makes what we're doing illegal it certainly could but part of why we're going
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ahead and we're not advertising publicly you know i talk about it in my personal social media venues
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i talk about it with others online we're discussing our ideas i'm not purchasing advertising and advertising
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for a white intentional community under the fair housing act would be illegal like i can't buy
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television advertising we're doing as much as we can possibly do to scale it as much as we possibly
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can because this i think is the one time where we have a good chance of our right to free association
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being upheld we have trump in office which yeah we're not fans of trump across the board but his
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administration the judges that are in power right now i think are the most conservative establishment
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we're ever going to have a chance to deal with so if that legal battle is going to happen and
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inevitably it will you know you can't just hide forever there will be legal challenges if you
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want to establish white communities and i think we have to push that now in a way that is actually
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allowed for under the fair housing act so there are cutouts in the fair housing act for private
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associations specifically to be able to manage real estate for their members of course there are
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prohibitions on restrictive covenants so if you are in a white neighborhood and you want to only sell to other
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white people who move in that's illegal you can't do that so if you want to organize informally buy up
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everything in a town people always suggest this the fair housing act specifically exists to not allow
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you to do that you know so in order to restrict who comes into a neighborhood like i said the whole thing
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needs to be managed by a private association so that you're not in the public domain of real estate
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transactions you're in the private domain of a club or a religion or something that is only four members
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and in combination with that you know many private associations have companies that actually organize
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their holdings so like the elks lodge the elks is an informal fraternal society but then they'll
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typically have a company that owns the lodge itself because you need a to file taxes and keep track of
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expenses and everything and so you have an llc or something similar to do that we went with an llc
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but it's possible to do this with trusts managing the land you can there's all sorts of ways
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potentially structuring it yeah but at the top level the important thing is there has to be a private
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association that is purpose-built not just for real estate holding but for the maintenance of a
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community with certain values so our charter is not simply like hey white people let's buy land
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together and have our own white communities it is we celebrate european heritage we celebrate
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celebrate traditional european religion european values and we have we spell those out legally you
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have to spell those out so you really have to read into the fair housing act civil rights law
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and understand the kind of legal regime that we're up against it's not bulletproof and there are specific
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cutouts that allow for things like this it's just if you screw up one little detail all of a sudden you're
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open to lawsuits and you know the lawsuits will come the thing is you just have to be very well
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prepared for when they do come yeah because this has to do with growth as well you know we can look at
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urania for example right all of a sudden like if if this takes off as a model becomes successful then
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you know depending on what government you have in place at that point they're just like actually you
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can't do that kind of thing right uh and of course obviously as you said you're you're public about
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this it's not that you know but i'm saying for another community seeking to do something or using a
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similar model or something like that that you guys are doing technically you don't have how would that
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work right you don't if it's a private association you don't have to technically say what the criteria
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are are you you can just like well okay this is a good this is a new member we want to have in
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that no one can from the outside say well you you can't pick that one you got to pick this right
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just saying right no they don't have the right to tell you how to choose your members um so some
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criteria we spell out explicitly so that prospective members understand what they're getting into
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but then other criteria we have our own internal documents that spell out what we're looking for
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and what we're not looking for you know we do make decisions on a case by case basis so yes it is a
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european heritage association yes there is a racial character to it but are we only selecting whites and
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that's the sole criteria for membership right no uh no you can't say that and uh yeah you got to be
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careful about how you phrase those things right yeah exactly yeah no definitely um okay so yeah lots
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to get into here of of how basically how to go from nothing to something how to go from zero to one
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right and again this will be pertaining to not only where people are but who they have at their disposal
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what kind of knowledge base is there overall what skills are there there because it's not you know
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obviously it's not always about money but money is a big aspect to this at some point you need to
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have investment you need to have to be able to buy you know property or existing you know infrastructure
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whatever we're talking about right uh but we also have to you know keep in mind we do have you
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talked about work parties for example right we do have uh in communities like this a lot of social capital
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you have other things that you can use you have volunteer work you have something like well we're
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all kind of pulling into pull you know pulling in together here in order to create something bigger
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and larger and whatnot uh you know again whether there's you know potential return on that later or
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whether the community begins generating money by actually interacting with the outside and things
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like this right there's so many you know places you can go and explore or whatnot um which i want
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to ask you about but i i want to still want to pick your brain on the first thing i want your
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the about section on your on your um website now obviously you kind of put you you mentioned this
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um return to the land dot org that's the website uh we seek to create a decentralized movement formed
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of various individuals and societies returning to the land we will promote strong families with
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common ancestry and raise the next generation in an environment that reflects our traditional values
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we will facilitate economic and social harmony between all groups and individuals in our movement above
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all we'll continue to engage in a never-ending pursuit of excellence refusing to lower our
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standards or lose sight of our goals uh and then you say under mission we will return to the land
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to separate ourselves from a failing modern society now that's very interesting right so again so
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some people just see this as well that's retreating that's defeat blah blah blah right me kind of
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looking at where modern society is going and where the trends have taken us already modernity
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complacency conformity too much comfort uh you brought up ai i see that as a massive uh you know
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we can it's something we can use certainly it's a tool or whatnot uh but if you kind of follow through
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and see what they're doing today this could develop into a huge enemy of ours as well at the same time
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you know kind of thing and it's this like do you do do you do the amish approach you know do you do
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the luddite approach do you employ some level of technology there's a limit i draw a line in the
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sand in terms of like how we integrate with the technology and stuff like that and you could see
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very well see modern society definitely go with you know computer brain interfaces or you know
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similar things where basically if you if you're gonna have to have a job in the future well you got
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you got to be connected to the global global brain you if you're gonna have ubi if ai robotics
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displaces most of the labor force out there you're gonna have to you know these are our terms of service
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for you engaging in modern society and all of a sudden it's like well i'm not doing that well
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then you're out okay what do you fall back on kind of thing right you there must be something in place
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and we still have a window where we can set up some of these things where we can arrange it and even if
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not everybody's interested in part of that today at some point they might be or whatever the threshold
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is met for them and they're like you know what that's it i'm out i want to seek like local communities
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somewhere where i know we can just like be outside of all of this because they're digitizing everything
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right and i think at the tail end of that you have that like if if it's going to be so easy for them
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to be flip a switch like they've done with like debanking or you know de-platforming essentially you
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could be like de-platformed from society so i see i see that as a part of a failing modern society
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although we might not see the full kind of um the full effects of that yet would you agree right
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yeah absolutely power wealth ownership of major corporations is still becoming more and more
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concentrated you know it's a big club and you're not in it and they can always kick you out even if
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you start one isolated parallel institution that's not resilient because institutions themselves rely on
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other institutions for their support for their supplies for their payment processing you know we
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really need an entire vertically integrated network of communities and institutions and we're not
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going to be completely like-minded in that but there's enough of a desire for our people to remain who
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we are and to not be uh subject to this kind of techno tyrannical system um that i think there's a really strong
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incentive for us to get beyond our differences and cooperate economically at least you know as far as like how we
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incorporate technology ourselves i think we do have to look for the aristotelian mean there the golden
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mean between the two vices of total ludditism and then you know singularitarianism uh kurtzweil thinking
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and i think there will be an appropriate view of technology and relationship that uh with technology that
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preserves our autonomy and even enhances it you know part of what human nature is is wrapped up in our
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use of technology right as it expands our own function yeah so i think ai like when used
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intelligently can be an expansion on human intellect um however it can't dehumanize us at the same time
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so these are all questions that can only really be solved in community settings because you don't see
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the full impact of what ai is going to do except in the relationship between parents and children and
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chair and children and each other you know that's one thing with tick tock and all these different
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social media uh platforms that are out there the kids spread this stuff around they are affected first
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and if you're not able to closely monitor and really track how are these trends impacting society
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if you're just an atomized individual you have no chance of finding that golden mean relationship
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with technology that'll be adaptive so yeah absolutely i mean it's uh it's a dark picture if you
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are simply uh subject to whatever the establishment decides is necessary to be in the workforce and
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they've already shown they're willing to do that you know if you don't comply with the civil rights act
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you're out as a you can't even have a company if you don't go along with this whole new social
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order that it was never the values of western civilization it was imposed in a couple years in
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the late 1960s yeah in a very kind of unilateral way so the only alternative really is building
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so many parallel institutions that have such a strong incentive to work together that well i mean
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because of our natural ability to cooperate at scale that we've demonstrated time and time again
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we will actually stand a chance against this whole beast system yeah the generational thing is interesting
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too or i think think back again how we used to run things it wasn't this division i mean obviously
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there's age groups and there's different interests we all recognize that so it's not that we didn't
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think of it but i'm saying you know boomer versus gen xers versus millennials versus zoomers versus alpha
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now kind of coming in and and i think partially technology as you said it's partially at least part of
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that right you have a well you know the younger they don't understand me they're not and and
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partially that's true right that it's now a void void between these generations there's massive gaps
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and they're just getting wider and wider and we're losing that ability to like remember a community
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we're like just take you know the family structure right of how much harder it is today if you do not
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have you know grandparents or other relatives or even an extended community around you to help out at
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certain times and these were you know the whole structure have just kind of collapsed in on itself
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because it's this rugged individualism you take care of everything yourself prices is going off
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inflations open borders drives up housing costs people can't even afford to you know get into a house
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to start a family you know things like that there's so many problems along the way of how we've we set
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this but it's very interesting with the generations there where we now then kind of lose the wisdom of
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sorts of the older generation and how they used to do things because now it's almost like this
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generational war right right we're gonna have to rope them back in you know it is the natural order
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that we draw wisdom from our elders but the thing is just frankly the elder generation was raised on
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propaganda of course yes you know and we were raised on an open internet where we could however
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deeply we could pursue the truth that's how much truth we got and so as a consequence we are very
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well informed and our parents and grandparents are fairly ignorant and uh but part of this whole
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thing is that we can provide very direct tangible material benefits for cooperating in communities
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like this even for people who aren't ideologically truth seekers who are going to find it out for
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themselves you know we have investment vehicles that we're working on that will allow for you know
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more well-established people or older people to put funds in that will allow younger people to finance
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out homes and the older people will get a return on investment presumably the younger people will be
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able to afford to move into the communities so there are there's a place it's not just that we have to
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rely on the older generation like give up the wealth you know give up the wealth and power boomers
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no like we can work with them and even offer them services that they're not going to be able to get
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as the mainstream society just crumbles you know it's a really a terrible wedge that we're placed
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between or two like rocks that are closing in where it's this hyper-competent global technological
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system of control but also basic services are just falling apart and the roads are literally crumbling
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and people don't know how to count change at the register and like nothing worked you know
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simultaneously it's hyper-competent and incompetent it's very interesting yeah we can provide some
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of those services like retirement homes they're good the older white people don't want to go and
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be cared for by minorities who clearly don't care about them we see so many clips of you know workers
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who are just abusing our elders and we can provide safe places places they'll feel comfortable they're
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going to want to move into those spaces if we create them for them so again we can rope the
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older generation back into the social fabric and benefit each other again but we're going to have
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to be the the wise ones there and the ones in the driver's seat yeah step up take some responsibility
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try to remedy some of this yeah and then the the um idiocracy type development here of society is also
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of course the perfect excuse and enabler for why we should give ai more control and why everything
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should be automized why everything should be you know people just tired of dealing with idiot people
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everywhere so they're like you know what i don't care just give me and and of course again sure
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short-term that's great if it was run by the right people okay great but it's primarily it's not at this
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point the most biggest powerful ai corporations whatever if they're not run out of you know tel aviv
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or something it's it's it's you know groups that are hostile to to to us and to white people in general
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you know they're they're guard railing it to continue to have these you know liberal anti-white ideas
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and stuff like this right but uh but they can't control the technology itself you know we can
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always get into those fields so oh no sure absolutely and and as we should again none of
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this should discount anyone to to try and continue other methods this is just one and i again i think
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they are complementary we should still have people we should try to get into whether people do believe
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you know in a political solution or uh high up in big corporations or build them for you know
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yourself or whatever obviously we should engage in all these things you can have a feed in both
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worlds but just kind of understanding the trajectory of where this is going because as more and more
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dependent people come reliant you know again be that on ai but it it is the biggest thing i mean it's
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it's bigger it's the biggest weapon and biggest uh potentiality that we have right now i mean it's
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being dealt with probably higher security than than the you know nuclear development of you know the
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bomb uh nuclear bomb development uh it's a super weapon of sorts it's like collect people have to
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understand that right i don't want to get stuck in ai here and so many other things to talk about but
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again the framing of this of why i bring this up you can have the collective intelligence of the
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smartest people on the planet and at some point if not already you'll have ai superseding that and
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it's tight it's around the clock 24 7 they're talking about like these computers how do we know that
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ai is even aligned with our values and even those values are flawed but even that we can't get actually
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guarantee um and so we could be put in a position where dependency on it will be strong and the
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incentive again will be well if we don't do it china will or russia will or so you know i mean so
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it will be this a cold war type development of this as a weapon right and eventually the ai will
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be like well give me more power i'll develop weapons for you bioweapons new technologies give me
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special economic zones where we can actually have manufacturing and automation and building ai
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robots and things like that so anyway it's anyone's guess how how you know how far this could go and
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how quickly it could go but these are you know my job i feel as part of is is threat assessment right
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pattern recognition threat assessment where are my kids going to be when they grow up and and and
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what kind of world will it be right right yeah it is really a prisoner's dilemma um the arms race and
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technology uh it benefits potentially no one you know but everyone has to throw all of these resources
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you know like half of the u.s energy grid will be going towards these data centers in the not too
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distant future which is just absurd and it very likely will supplant uh so many of our jobs we're
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building our own replacement at our own expense which is just uh remarkable yeah but uh you have to
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remember like we have an intrinsic advantage in all of these areas in how we form our communities
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corporations and also how we interact with ai because our world view is not built on lies
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you know you can talk to the the most advanced scientific experts and they can be right about
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so many things you know i appreciate a lot of the people who are kind of pushing things in say biology
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or you know cognitive science john revake i've talked to him i respect him a lot uh michael levin
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like there are so many people out there who are coming up with new and interesting things but they
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all have this massive blind spot that just ends up being a vortex that distorts their entire world view
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where they cannot accept the basic truths about human races right because we can we don't have that
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distorting filter and so when we interact with ai we can actually allow the ai to be
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that reliable pattern detecting uh patterned integral uh maybe not consciousness but thinking
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agent that then can benefit us truly because it will be aligned not just with our values but the
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inherent kind of value structure of the broader reality the way i think about it is that well if
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there is objective morality right there is objective right and wrong if you build a sufficiently advanced
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intelligence it should be able to detect what that right and wrong is so i believe we have the truth
00:40:23.460
the moral truth on our side and if we build our own ais and train our own ais we're not quite there yet
00:40:29.940
but andrew torba you know he has the gab ai and we can feed into efforts like that we can support
00:40:37.300
people on our side who are uh working to take back these industries to some extent and i think it has to
00:40:44.420
start both from the top down and from the bottom up we have to build the communities that will raise
00:40:49.380
the children that will be the human capital to support a competing technological elite that's what
00:40:55.460
we really have to build but you need that rural element as well as then people specializing at the
00:41:00.900
very top end we need top end experts now but also people who are doing very humble ordinary things on a
00:41:07.220
day-to-day basis to raise the next generation where we'll have a chance to compete also we have to look at
00:41:13.700
whole systems ai is trained on what data we give it if we think carefully about how we are feeding
00:41:22.020
in how we're doing things on a day-to-day basis into ai then ai will reflect our values inevitably
00:41:29.540
now that means integrating it more into our daily lives but in a thoughtful way where we don't just
00:41:34.660
feed in all the data of the internet and hope it comes out with something good because you know how
00:41:38.740
the internet is it's not going to be um but if we yeah integrate that lived experience and lived
00:41:45.220
community values maybe we get an ai that's actually socially minded and beneficial it's a long shot but
00:41:51.780
we really have no choice but uh but to try because it is that kind of prisoner's dilemma unfortunately
00:41:56.820
yeah and we we don't have the investment that these other people and institutions have at their
00:42:01.380
disposal obviously and and and they're just in a in the in the power seat currently obviously but again
00:42:06.020
it's a from my perspective and then we can move on from this but it's also a gamble right as i said
00:42:12.500
before it's it's a we don't know what the dependency on that will lead to for society or whether you're
00:42:17.940
entering into some kind of post-human world like is it really you know if humans integrate so much
00:42:22.660
with it either directly through physical you know integration essentially or or just at least dependency
00:42:28.980
on it uh will it still be the same humanity there's all these interesting philosophical questions that
00:42:34.180
enter into it and i still want to also make sure that we remain who we are at the same time and
00:42:37.860
don't lose you know what we actually are right so uh yeah there are so many things there which is
00:42:42.980
which is interesting but um okay so so a lot of things here i want to pick your brain about and
00:42:49.220
again if you have specific examples pertaining to you know the the community building you're doing
00:42:53.860
and things like this right but uh i mentioned it before a little bit um it all depends on and again
00:43:00.820
this is kind of a broader discussion also at the same time for people out there they might be
00:43:04.500
considering doing similar things uh or setting something up where they are and obviously as
00:43:09.540
always it comes down to who who do you have at your disposal right what kind of people do you have
00:43:13.300
around you or are you willing to move to an area uh where there are like-minded people and try to
00:43:19.220
start something up because the hardest thing is kind of going from nothing to uh yeah from nothing to
00:43:23.700
something from zero to one essentially get the wheels moving on something because at some point
00:43:28.260
you have to have uh at least if nothing else an internal you know but whether it's a barter system
00:43:34.260
maybe some people do it that way or whatnot but like an ideal situation would be as i said before where
00:43:38.500
the community actually generates income you have a certain uh no matter how small group that is or a
00:43:44.020
few individuals that can work you know for the community right i mean again look at how churches
00:43:49.380
do it or certain other religions they have like you know dedicated people they have a um you know
00:43:55.300
even a percentage maybe of what they do make they actually reinvest into the community so that you can
00:44:01.060
kind of get the ball rolling um obviously buying property is a big one or buying maybe businesses
00:44:06.500
around in your area begin there there's there's all these interesting things i don't know did you ever
00:44:10.260
hear about the network state i did a segment on it oh yeah i read that book oh you read the book
00:44:15.060
book because they have all these other kind of kooky ideas obviously and it's like a kind of a
00:44:19.620
it connects with what praxis is doing as well which is very interesting if you heard about that i want
00:44:24.580
to ask you more about that too but the point is that there are other groups that are also like
00:44:29.620
we we also want to do this and their ideologies will be different right but they do have some
00:44:34.260
interesting things and potentially even tips for people like us so like yeah you could begin
00:44:38.340
potentially generating income first before you actually decide to go together and buy something
00:44:43.700
right so so it's it's all about how you approach it right and what what's the starting point for for
00:44:48.260
you for you and and your group right well sure yeah i mean professional networks obviously are
00:44:55.300
very beneficial we do have lawyers in our group and they should all be in group chats they should
00:45:00.420
be exchanging information on a daily basis you know they should be forming those relationships
00:45:05.700
and uh you know guilds that was a big part of traditional european society and
00:45:11.060
we can't lose that respect for our particular crafts you know we we should probably get back
00:45:16.580
into the idea that you know if your father was a shoemaker you should also be a shoemaker
00:45:21.460
maybe not shoemakers we might have machines doing that but you know right that the general principle i
00:45:27.300
think is valuable um but as far as how we're organizing our land buys professionalism having a professional
00:45:35.380
class that organizes these things is absolutely critical because it's not a part-time job you know
00:45:41.300
actually making a land buy like this work it requires someone's full-time commitment and luckily we have
00:45:48.820
people who are willing to volunteer a lot of their time and expertise and and research um but in the future
00:45:55.700
to do this at a larger scale we really need a professional class to facilitate this that's part of why like
00:46:00.820
return to the land is not just for this community we recognize that there are legal challenges that are
00:46:06.900
so complex that you can't expect this to be duplicated with independent groups doing independent
00:46:13.060
research in dozens of different sites someone has to be the organization that's figured this out
00:46:18.980
now if a competitor arises and does it better i'd be glad to merge with them or work with them or learn
00:46:24.260
from them but right now return to the land we have the legal framework we have the research we have
00:46:29.540
legal defense funds being built up and we're paying you know specialized experts that uh have areas
00:46:36.500
of the law under their command that our group doesn't yet um but yeah you need to professionalize
00:46:43.140
this is one way to go about it so if you're going to do a large group land buy have everyone who
00:46:49.380
believes in it in a certain area chip in 500 a thousand dollars it's not the full price of a share it's
00:46:55.780
not going to be getting you a lot in the community just yet but up front if you have that pool of
00:47:01.380
money then you can hire someone to do all of the leg work to do all of that basic research to make
00:47:08.100
sure you're finding the right place in the first line you can make a mistake on what piece of land
00:47:12.500
you buy you don't realize there's an ammonium pipeline nearby or there's all sorts of ways to go wrong with
00:47:17.780
real estate so you really need multiple specialists who are able to dedicate full-time research and
00:47:24.740
effort into making things go smoothly so that's uh return to land seeks to do that and as far as how
00:47:30.580
we help other groups to organize and there are groups organizing in appalachia with us as well as
00:47:36.100
the pacific northwest and so we have requirements you have to have a board of managers established certain
00:47:42.580
roles have to be fulfilled you know these people have to have some kind of resume it can't be just
00:47:47.860
someone with no experience whatsoever trying to put something together involving hundreds of
00:47:52.260
thousands of dollars of other people's money um you have to have quality control in these things
00:47:58.260
but uh working at scale i think opens up more and more new opportunities and new doors uh for
00:48:06.100
developing our own kind of specialists in this like i would like to see a land by particular i think
00:48:12.420
appalachia uh or appalachia is the place to do this at scale because it's a population center
00:48:17.700
there are work opportunities it's close to where a lot of other people live the people living there
00:48:22.500
are already very like-minded by and large um other parts of the country are great and i want to see
00:48:27.060
communities flourish all over but i think we really need one kind of flagship very large community
00:48:32.900
a 10 000 person community and just i mean think about the numbers involved if you get a list of
00:48:38.340
10 000 people and each of them chips in 500 that's a half million dollars that then you can throw
00:48:44.260
at um whatever comes up as far as the necessary research and getting everything locked down you
00:48:50.020
could even potentially buy a piece of property with that just everyone chipping in 500 and install the
00:48:55.780
sewage system and get the basic uh infrastructure developed and then have people pay monthly there's
00:49:00.900
also ways like i said having a development company where some investors put in more up front
00:49:06.260
others kind of draw benefits by financing out different infrastructure or lots there's there
00:49:12.740
are many many ways of organizing a professional class to do this while not being parasitical on
00:49:19.460
everyone else you know it's happened too many times where someone thought oh yeah we should have
00:49:23.060
our own community i'll buy 100 acres and everyone come move to my land and then what happens is
00:49:29.220
everyone develops that guy's real estate for free and then he decides you know what maybe this isn't
00:49:34.020
working out and then he sells it at a huge profit so i know yeah you know you gotta look out for all
00:49:39.140
that yeah exactly no there has to be rules structures principles all kinds of things involved and yes
00:49:45.940
that means you know ink on paper and legal you know kind of structures in order to prevent those
00:49:50.900
kinds of things and the steel even you if you do that then you drama could rise at any point or
00:49:55.780
expectations are you know not believed to have been met or i was promised to misunderstand you know i mean
00:50:00.900
these this is just nature of you know humans and people you know i mean that's that's just what it
00:50:06.580
is uh you're never going to escape you're never going to do a fail safe entirely you you learn as
00:50:13.060
you go and you do the best you can and mistakes will happen but it is just what it is and of course you
00:50:17.460
know another approach to that is to develop maybe communal land first too by the way like people still
00:50:21.620
live where they live but you used to you build out you know structures where the community can meet and
00:50:26.420
things like this right and and from there again if you do manage to establish something that actually
00:50:32.020
generates something of an income right you start small you have something and and maybe with that
00:50:36.740
money poured into community build something or buy something else and then something a business a
00:50:41.620
local small business that continues to generate money and you move from there right kind of thing
00:50:46.180
um and it would be great to have you know really wealthy people coming in and it's like dropping tons of
00:50:52.660
cash and yes let's do this and that but as you said then you're still back in that boat of sorts
00:50:57.140
right where now you're kind of more beholden to that individual no matter how aligned they are and
00:51:01.380
initially how great they seem to be but the point is we can't sit around and wait for this to come
00:51:06.820
just dropping from heaven chopped down like this has to be built from bottom up and it's it's not
00:51:11.220
impossible i mean again i think i played i'll say if i can find it we'll play it in maybe in part two or
00:51:15.380
something but like these muslims sitting in michigan right and again very clan based i i did another
00:51:21.780
example recently in in sweden where the economic crimes unit there basically have recognized how
00:51:28.740
deeply these criminal immigrant clan societies have penetrated into social uh you know and structure
00:51:38.020
in you know government institutions in sweden by just employing a clan mentality essentially you
00:51:43.860
can have there's people in like turkey and syria sitting and directing right they have this again
00:51:49.380
clanish is a little bit different it's more based on you know a shared common and you know
00:51:52.900
ancestor as opposed to just ancestry and but you know the head patriarch or whatever says you're
00:51:58.260
going to go to sweden you're going to go to germany you're going to go to norway you're going to you're
00:52:02.340
going to set up businesses there you're going to take advantage of all the you know diversity
00:52:06.420
loans and grants that they have you they set up shell corporations maybe they set up the barber shop
00:52:10.980
they set up a kebab shop whatever cash flows in from the criminal you know aspects that they have
00:52:16.340
is funneled through those small businesses um they even have businesses that fail right you they
00:52:21.940
manage to get other people's um you know like uh someone someone they threaten even in some cases or
00:52:28.820
like you're going to be the the main guy on this new business we set up right they take out all the
00:52:33.540
capital they can't after two years it fails but that doesn't matter that means they've gotten that
00:52:37.860
cash in sure the business fails but that goes back to the head patriarch and they continue to expand
00:52:42.180
like that and you realize a clan model is at least partially at this point i mean our government are
00:52:48.020
kind of like they're they could do a lot more let's be honest about these kinds of things and they
00:52:52.260
kind of don't right but the point is for now at least a clan mentality managed to infiltrate and
00:52:58.420
kind of not dominate at this point but significantly impact packed an entire nation and a high-trust
00:53:04.260
society and obviously we should never employ legal tactics but i'm saying even within the legal
00:53:09.140
framework for work of what you're allowed to do you can still do a lot of those things
00:53:14.180
and going back to some of those models of at least kind of a tribal ethnic consciousness right
00:53:21.140
yeah totally yeah i mean obviously there's another conspicuous group that has accomplished this in the
00:53:27.060
u.s that uh we don't even have to mention um but yeah there's no harm in emulating what works and
00:53:33.700
it's not even that it's foreign to our ancestors or the way that we have done things we had more of
00:53:40.580
a sense of that extended family like there were literal clans in the southern u.s the hatfields
00:53:46.020
and the mccoys you know that in many parts of the country actually the old money they still operate
00:53:51.460
that money that way they still have these really deep family ties and they look after their own
00:53:57.700
and they will set up you know they'll send a relative to a farm out here and manage new business
00:54:02.820
over there and exactly what you're describing so it's not like white people can't do this they still
00:54:08.420
do but uh we actually again this is an area where because of the technology that we have because we
00:54:14.900
can find like-minded people and we can be in constant communication and when it comes to like how can
00:54:20.900
we optimize and organize this better there are always new paths forward that are opened by again
00:54:29.060
ai research up you know the ability to find new paths or find new information and find information
00:54:35.300
about the law is easier now than ever before ai can't replace a lawyer fully but you'll learn a lot
00:54:40.820
more about the law by asking ai detailed questions and then fact checking than just trying to like open
00:54:45.620
the books yourself and figure out everything right you know we can learn about the structures that are
00:54:50.340
actually effective um and these ai tools aren't expensive it allows ordinary people to be really
00:54:55.940
effective researchers you shouldn't let the ai do your thinking for you but you do have more of an
00:55:02.580
ability to find what are the best practices how what kinds of businesses act is a good like first step
00:55:09.620
if you want to get into a larger kind of chain of enterprises yeah um so things like that absolutely but
00:55:15.860
it really starts with you have to be in communication with a group that you care about
00:55:20.340
um you know our group is return to the land people are welcome to join uh return to the land.org you
00:55:26.100
can sign up it's a 25 application fee and we have very active chats and you know there are offshoots
00:55:32.900
in many cases already not you know formal communities but people who happen to be in the same area
00:55:38.340
they meet up for either homeschooling or just to get together and you know there's plenty of people
00:55:44.180
talking about starting businesses or working together or hiring one another those informal networks need to
00:55:49.780
build up but to do that like you really do have to have a commitment that i have loyalty not just
00:55:56.980
to the race abstractly but to other white people that's something i see right not enough people
00:56:01.460
really get you know they they like the idea of i care about my race but like are you supporting
00:56:07.220
people who are organizing efforts like this are you joining efforts like this are you a part of
00:56:12.180
something are you meeting up with people on a daily basis that daily communication is critical
00:56:17.380
because you are you know your heart goes where your time goes and if you dedicate all your time to
00:56:22.180
the system and you're talking to people in ordinary reality and you're not really working on a a viable
00:56:29.140
alternative well then you're going to remain stuck and yeah and wherever the society goes that's where
00:56:34.260
you're going to go yeah um so yeah i mean it takes a commitment it takes mostly communication if you're not
00:56:40.260
in a chat with a group that's seriously looking to to reorganize their lives and some people relocating
00:56:47.940
and you know putting funds together then you're really not doing what we all need to be doing at
00:56:52.820
this stage in the game everyone will have different roles but it's absolutely possible to find a group of
00:56:57.940
like-minded people again return to the land could be that group join patriot front joints like attend amaran
00:57:03.780
there are so many ways to find like-minded people today vetted organizations that have a track record
00:57:10.020
of good management and you know not leaking information things like that so you know don't
00:57:16.900
be absolutely reckless with it but you do have to find those ways of getting in a group online to then
00:57:22.980
transition to offline enterprises yeah i have to go irl eventually obviously and uh yeah where people at
00:57:30.580
at you know generally will be will be different but people have to also take uh take a leap of faith
00:57:36.340
if that's the right term and and you know and again not take risks that sounds wrong too but like
00:57:40.740
you know sometimes it's too much right apparently everyone's a vet everyone's this everyone you know just
00:57:45.860
like just connect yourself well and go out there and investigate for yourself and see what you're
00:57:49.700
you know rely on your instinct to a certain extent as well um what's your gut feeling say is this right for you
00:57:55.220
or whatever is this a good fit if not try to organize something yourself and do it you know again do it
00:57:59.540
better and and again we welcome that company we all want one of these to be successful we want all of
00:58:06.260
them to be successful but i'm saying one of them even more so than the others so we can all learn
00:58:11.300
from each other because again as you said you might end up in a situation where you basically have an
00:58:15.540
umbrella group eventually or whatever where you have volunteer other groups join you know or or have
00:58:21.140
some level of cooperation with the other you know um uh communities and movements that are out
00:58:25.940
there and things like this so this is the wheels on this is just getting started really um and as
00:58:30.740
you said before as well using the tools at your disposal coalescing information making you know
00:58:36.900
condensing it to make it easily accessible other groups have that access too right so now is a good
00:58:42.980
time to actually jump on some of these things and actually start acting because otherwise someone
00:58:46.580
else is going to do it before we do it or you know us right right yeah and you do want to enforce
00:58:52.820
that quality control i mean plato talks about in the republic you know the the best kind of man
00:58:58.820
doesn't really want leadership but he ends up being forced into it because if he doesn't do something
00:59:05.700
then someone of inferior quality is going to and then everything will just be a mess so you know like
00:59:10.740
it's natural to not want to meddle in other people's business and to want to be private you
00:59:15.380
know that'd be great to not have to worry about all this and just look after your family
00:59:19.220
but like if you have the capacity to really see these problems and understand how they can be
00:59:23.460
addressed you really do have an obligation to take a leadership role we need hundreds
00:59:28.100
of leaders we also need people who are willing to follow and who are willing to join established
00:59:32.980
groups um i talked to a lot of people who you know they have 10 acres and you know they want
00:59:38.900
it to be in their backyard and they want a community right where they are and i have to explain to
00:59:43.220
many of them like there just aren't enough people who are committed enough yet where this can exist
00:59:50.020
in all 50 states in every county you know we to have communities like this some people will have to
00:59:55.780
move there are hot spots you know around northern idaho there's a big hot spot of people who want
01:00:02.020
community other places in the pacific northwest appalachia um the ozarks where we are here many
01:00:09.940
people come here for homesteading there's already like-minded people there are only so many in the
01:00:14.100
u.s obviously other countries it's a totally different legal environment i wouldn't even
01:00:18.500
pretend to advise on that but we should also be organized internationally and talking with
01:00:23.620
other groups around the world because there is legal cooperation that we we can do even there
01:00:28.660
so you know take that leadership role if you can find a group recognize you're probably going to have
01:00:34.420
to relocate ultimately you won't be able to stay exactly where you grew up your entire life
01:00:39.860
because the country's changing now if you want to live around a bunch of non-whites or around
01:00:44.420
people who don't share your values at all then yes stay put if like living in your particular zip
01:00:49.540
code is more important to you than saving the white race then by all means i guess and ironically arvold
01:00:55.060
right if you also then do live in an area that have this exposure over on a long enough time scale
01:01:02.020
you're most likely going to be able to pull a lot of people white people actually because they do
01:01:06.660
not want this change that is occurring right so there is a function to exposure ironically and
01:01:11.940
some people who actually grew up in a very white area whatever they don't many at least not everyone
01:01:16.900
but many don't know how bad it is out there and and and they're you know less likely maybe to be on
01:01:22.100
your page it's this weird kind of dichotomy or like a contradiction of sorts right that like
01:01:27.140
exposure to this has a function and it does help to drive white people to be confronted whether they
01:01:33.700
want it or not with the reality of of race and and ethnic differences you know right i would
01:01:38.820
absolutely bet you know if i was not uh philanthropically motivated but just wanted to be
01:01:44.980
investing in something that would grow the country is falling apart demographically and also in the
01:01:51.140
social fabric ordinary white people have already started relocating to redder states from bluer states
01:01:58.420
you know and that's going to continue we're just seeing the the first real visible effects of the
01:02:04.820
demographic transformation of our our nation and as time continues there will be more and more demand
01:02:11.540
for communities like this and so we can accomplish a handful of these communities now you know they
01:02:17.620
they won't be as developed as existing cities immediately but over time more and more communal
01:02:23.620
infrastructure will be built up there'll be more attractive places to live and you have to think
01:02:28.420
on that generational time scale you know in 20 years when whites are a minority or plurality of the
01:02:37.220
population and nothing works you know except the ai overlord system and people are sick of having to
01:02:43.940
deal with that also like where will they turn yeah where can they turn unless you're you're just banking
01:02:50.900
we're going to control the political system there's going to be this top-down revolution um it's risky
01:02:56.900
it's really irresponsible to put all of your hopes on some savior from washington dc is just going to fix
01:03:04.180
everything um if you care about your kids and you care about white children in general like you need to
01:03:10.340
create those strongholds now recognize there are certain constraints on how they can exist and where they
01:03:16.260
can exist you got to be realistic about it and get out of i have these preconceptions of this is how
01:03:21.380
it has to look i talk to a lot of people who have very strong preconceptions of this is how community
01:03:27.460
should be this is where it should be and often it's like it should be my ideology and it should be in my
01:03:32.340
backyard in order to make community happen you're gonna have to have respect for your fellow whites and
01:03:38.580
be in communication with your fellow whites and reach out and talk to people you know i'm very
01:03:42.740
welcoming people can reach out and talk to me i talk to random people on telegram all the time i
01:03:47.380
i give out my contact info and i say contact me between these hours and very often i do you know
01:03:53.060
and i think we have to be more that way willing to talk to one another and respectful of one another
01:03:59.060
even if we think we're right and we have all the answers you know maybe you are right and you have
01:04:03.220
all the answers but if you're willing to talk to others you'll be more likely to convince them that
01:04:07.780
that is the case anyway so it's really about respect at the end of the day definitely definitely
01:04:12.420
yeah we're gonna take a break here in a little bit too i just want to give a shout out to a couple
01:04:15.060
and by not mentioning everyone that doesn't mean i exclude them intentionally but obviously there's
01:04:18.980
groups in uh the free the free sweden project if it is very in sweden is doing good work the
01:04:24.420
woodlander in the uk kind of similar you know uh there's there's project like this in germany it's
01:04:28.900
all it's all over australia obviously it's doing similar thing uh thomas soul and those guys there's
01:04:33.700
other groups there too obviously but yeah it's beginning to pop up everywhere because people are uh you know
01:04:39.060
know again if you have enough pattern recognition then you realize kind of where this is going
01:04:43.540
connected you know to the right dots essentially right but uh before we take a break here arval for
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the first segment then uh you mentioned already but obviously yeah return to the land dot org uh
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people can apply there etc um is a lot of people are a lot of people reaching out has it been hard to
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find people is it too much where's where's this are you actively trying to like we want more people here
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now or is it kind of like are you for now kind of um well saturated is not the right term but like
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you're trying to scale or build to with with the interest that you have already how does the
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growth i guess for return up to the land look here over the next couple of years do you think
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the growth has been very steady and just slightly too much for us to handle honestly because we don't
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have full-time employees processing all the applications and taking care of you know membership fees and
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organizing the bank accounts uh we do have you know people responsible for each of those functions
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but they all have other jobs it's not a professional uh thing yet but it's growing fast enough that
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sooner or later it will be necessary to have an office it will be necessary to have a way of managing
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you know hundreds and hundreds of members we have hundreds of members now and um every week you
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know there are at least a dozen people that apply um so the the numbers are very good um hard to deal
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with slightly but uh i'm very optimistic for for the growth in the future um so yeah that's a good
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problem to have right yeah can't keep up but that's a good problem uh all right very very good okay so so
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guys check that out obviously return to the land org then you have a couple of places where people can
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follow you obviously are involved with an underscore at the end on uh x or twitter uh you do have a
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youtube channel as well do you post uh you post somewhat regularly on there right do you yeah a
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little infrequently lately i post more of the kind of intellectual content there more of the political
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stuff on x yep okay cool uh very very good something else you'd like to plug here before we uh take a
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short break between our parts uh yeah i'm really into neoplatonism i think uh for going forward we're
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going to need a new way of approaching education and i think we can't leave the platonic tradition
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out just the more i've learned about it the more i see it bridges all these eras in western thought
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so i do have courses on neoplatonism and understanding ancient philosophy at uh airfall.thinkeffect.com
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so those are very very intensive and in-depth and you know they go on for months and months so
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they're fun though it's good now we need that part of it as well obviously right which
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which direction should we go philosophy all right very good uh thank you arval stay with us here
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