Red Ice TV - June 27, 2025


Runes & Boat Rock Carving Discovered In Canada, Hidden 7 Years Until ＂Explanation＂ Could Be Found


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16 minutes

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190.95845

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3,130

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205

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Runes found in Canadian wilderness baffle archaeologists. After years of research, analysis, and historical corroboration, an interdisciplinary team has finally made their findings available to the public. They claim to have solved the mystery of what is this?


Transcript

00:00:00.440 Runes found in Canadian wilderness baffle archaeologists.
00:00:05.040 Why was it carved here? What is the text?
00:00:07.200 There are no answers.
00:00:08.420 Now, we do have some answers, but keep in mind here, too.
00:00:11.560 This was just released, essentially.
00:00:15.280 However, they've been sitting on this for seven years, I believe.
00:00:21.140 They're revealing it only after they claim that they've solved the issue,
00:00:24.260 which puts it in this different category.
00:00:26.700 What is this? What are we looking at here?
00:00:29.140 Until we can come up with a story to cover for this, we won't say anything.
00:00:34.240 Archaeologists remain baffled by a surprising, seemingly ahistorical find
00:00:38.240 located deep in the Canadian wilderness.
00:00:41.000 But after years of research, analysis, and historical corroboration,
00:00:44.320 an interdisciplinary team has finally made their findings available to the public.
00:00:49.660 Why didn't they do it sooner?
00:00:51.260 Tucked away in a forest approximately 465 miles northwest of Ottawa,
00:00:56.600 a massive slab of bedrock features a hand-etched rendition of the full Lord's Prayer.
00:01:04.080 But the religious text isn't inscribed in French or English.
00:01:07.000 It's composed of over 250 symbols from the oldest known runic alphabet.
00:01:12.020 The perplexing discovery happened completely by chance, according to the CBC.
00:01:16.840 Hidden for centuries, the stone became exposed only after a tree fell near the town of Wawa,
00:01:21.160 not far from Lake Superior.
00:01:23.440 A closer inspection showed that someone had etched 255 runes into a roughly 4 by 5 foot section of the slab.
00:01:31.320 Additionally, they took the time to add a detailed illustration of a boat.
00:01:36.040 Now, keep that in mind, too.
00:01:36.840 I'll talk more about that later.
00:01:38.280 An additional 16 runic signs and 14 X markings.
00:01:41.760 If you have enough RAM space up in your brain, remember that, too.
00:01:46.100 Photos of the site soon wound up in front of Ryan Primrose,
00:01:49.540 president of the Ontario Centre for Archaeological Education,
00:01:52.060 who was immediately stunned by the images.
00:01:53.780 It's certainly among the least expected discoveries of my career.
00:01:57.220 It's absolutely fascinating.
00:01:58.760 However, Primrose didn't want anyone jumping to conclusions about the inscription.
00:02:02.780 Yeah, why is that now?
00:02:04.480 See?
00:02:05.580 While it's true that Viking explored portions of present-day Canada thousands of years ago,
00:02:10.480 he doubted that they were responsible for the mystery message.
00:02:14.080 They could.
00:02:15.120 It's impossible.
00:02:16.060 Okay.
00:02:16.500 Sure, they came over with the boats.
00:02:18.100 Sure, they had settlements.
00:02:19.180 Sure, we find also rock and runestones and rock carvings of North origin
00:02:23.780 in other parts of the U.S. and things like this.
00:02:26.360 But they possibly can't have made it there.
00:02:28.660 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:29.320 And what if it was in Arabic?
00:02:30.340 Would they be saying the same thing?
00:02:31.580 They would have revealed it right.
00:02:32.600 See proof that the Muslims were here.
00:02:35.960 Everyone's welcome.
00:02:36.800 Kind of thing, right?
00:02:37.220 We didn't want to release anything public until we had done as much analysis as possible yet to cover it up.
00:02:43.100 He soon contacted Uppsala University Emeritus Professor of Ruinology, Henrik Williams,
00:02:49.040 and helped the renowned expert arrange a visit to the site the following October.
00:02:54.920 I was under a tarpaulin for three hours with a flashlight looking at the runes,
00:02:58.160 and others were sitting outside freezing, recalled Williams.
00:03:01.340 The group's patience and endurance paid off.
00:03:03.260 Williams eventually determined that the message was written with the Futhark alphabetic runes.
00:03:08.400 Like, yeah, I could have told you that I was just looking at the image.
00:03:12.440 I mean, sure, I'm not against, obviously, full analysis and looking at things,
00:03:16.060 but I'm saying it's just like, well, it can't be this, so what is it?
00:03:21.180 Okay, I'll look at it.
00:03:22.140 And three hours later, I'm forced to the conclusion that, yes, it's runes on there.
00:03:27.620 You know, first developed, used by Germanic peoples.
00:03:30.060 We know the history, of course, it goes way back, and, of course, this, as more finds are made.
00:03:35.520 The 2nd and the 8th century CE, I believe there's one in Norway that predates,
00:03:40.080 it was like 200 BC or something, at least, possibly 400 BC.
00:03:45.060 There's other things, there are finds all the time.
00:03:47.540 It goes way back, but just be, and furthermore, we should mention
00:03:51.020 how hard and difficult it is to put a date on when you carved something in a rock.
00:03:56.540 You know what I mean?
00:03:57.060 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:57.840 But they look at surrounding things, the soil around it, all kinds of things, right?
00:04:01.860 So, yeah, maybe somewhat in the ballpark could be accurate, but also at the same time,
00:04:05.920 could be carved in the rock many hundreds or even thousands of years before that,
00:04:09.180 and then eventually someone shows up and they use the site again,
00:04:11.640 or it's continuously used or something, right?
00:04:14.080 They're trying to claim here, I can pull up another piece, the CBC piece,
00:04:17.460 because they say, we've solved it.
00:04:19.220 They mentioned Swedes right there, did you see that?
00:04:20.800 Yeah, so they're blaming the Swedes on this one.
00:04:25.780 The Swedes founded Canada, that's it, it belongs to Sweden.
00:04:29.700 The theory is that the carving was made in early 1800s
00:04:34.220 by a Swedish person working for the Hudson Bay Company.
00:04:39.060 How?
00:04:39.920 You can scroll down, here's an actual inscription kind of thing.
00:04:42.280 So it's the Lord's Prayer.
00:04:43.420 Now, this is not uncommon, and I'll mention more about that in a moment.
00:04:46.500 He realized that the runic writings spell out the words of the Lord's Prayer in Swedish
00:04:51.180 and traced it back to a 1611 runic version of the prayer,
00:04:56.480 which was republished in the 19th century.
00:04:58.640 It must have taken days and days of work.
00:05:01.080 They are really deeply carved into the rock.
00:05:03.100 Someone must have spent a couple of weeks carving this thing, he said,
00:05:06.300 and it must have been a Swede.
00:05:08.820 Were there any Swedes at all here?
00:05:10.360 Primrose said subsequent research has shown that the Hudson Bay Company
00:05:13.440 did hire Swedes in the 1800s to work at trading posts in the Canadian wilderness,
00:05:18.060 including Mitch Potten Post, not too far from where the carving was found.
00:05:21.760 He says his going theory, based on how worn the carving is,
00:05:27.820 is that it was likely made in the early-mid-1800s, as he said.
00:05:31.880 Williams admitted that, being a little disappointed that it's only about 200 years old,
00:05:36.280 but says the mystery around it doesn't decrease,
00:05:39.040 just because it's slightly younger than we hoped it was.
00:05:40.840 Well, obviously, this is, okay, so I think this is a cover story,
00:05:44.760 but it's a possibility, who knows?
00:05:47.700 Anybody has started wondering, why on earth did they carve it here,
00:05:50.240 and why did they choose that text?
00:05:51.920 There are no answers.
00:05:53.300 So they've done this with the Kensington Runestone.
00:05:56.140 They have done this with the, what was it, was it like Omaha, or what was it?
00:06:00.480 There's a number of them that are found, and every time,
00:06:03.760 oh, it was totally written by this recent guy.
00:06:06.060 Yes, no correlation.
00:06:07.100 No, actively covering up.
00:06:09.120 Of course, it's possible, right?
00:06:10.320 There's happened to be all these people, just recently,
00:06:13.420 that were carving, you know, runes and stones.
00:06:16.000 So there are finds.
00:06:17.720 There's documented the Viking went over about 500 years before Columbus.
00:06:22.120 There's evidence that they pushed deeply into, right?
00:06:25.760 Let me pull up the, we did a show here, for example,
00:06:28.300 if you listen to this one, in the Red Ice Members' archives,
00:06:32.000 The Last Kings of North America.
00:06:33.640 I can't remember everything of it now.
00:06:35.180 They wrote a book on this, but they talked about how they pushed into,
00:06:38.440 way deep into continental U.S., I mean, into the Midwest,
00:06:43.900 and like, you know, all these areas that go along the rivers.
00:06:46.060 They have found tons of sites and remnants,
00:06:50.220 which, again, hasn't been, like, officially kind of recognized.
00:06:53.020 Remember the thing about the Kennewick man, for example, right?
00:06:55.920 You have skeletal finds.
00:06:57.040 You can do the Solutrean thing if you want.
00:06:59.780 Ice Age Europeans might have been over here, all kinds of things.
00:07:01.960 But anyway, we don't have to go there now.
00:07:03.700 Heck, even Leif Erikson.
00:07:04.820 Let's make that more mainstream, too.
00:07:06.820 Of course, yeah, but they were forced to admit that.
00:07:09.080 There's actually built buildings and settlements and everything.
00:07:11.340 It's like, they can't deny that.
00:07:12.300 But then there's this denial that, like,
00:07:13.660 they possibly can't have gone in further, right?
00:07:16.280 So they don't officially recognize some of this stuff.
00:07:18.520 And with the Kennewick man, it was like this,
00:07:21.200 clearly just a brief examination of the skull.
00:07:23.580 This is a European skull.
00:07:24.780 This is not a, quote-unquote, Native American skull.
00:07:26.920 There's all these things.
00:07:27.540 And then the Native Americans came in and said,
00:07:29.460 ah, ah, ah, you're not doing that.
00:07:30.520 This is sacred to us.
00:07:31.540 Okay, let's cover it.
00:07:32.900 And it feels like it was almost together with the authorities.
00:07:36.120 They're like, okay, yeah, just claim some religious thing.
00:07:38.880 Just in case. It is a European man.
00:07:40.760 It upsets the whole history, right?
00:07:42.820 So this is an interesting interview if you want to dig deep more into that,
00:07:45.440 the last kings of Norse America.
00:07:48.220 You know, the Kensington Runestone has reference to the Lord's Prayer as well.
00:07:53.400 And, of course, one of the reasons for that is because you did have
00:07:55.740 an early Christianization, and it's even possible that some of the explorers,
00:08:00.520 because of, again, I'm just speculating, but because of religious conflict,
00:08:04.280 maybe they were more prone to go on other ventures or journeys or something like that.
00:08:08.820 I'm not sure.
00:08:10.660 It's also well known that the Goths, for example, were Christianized first,
00:08:15.580 because that seems to have been more or less the power center of Sweden at that time.
00:08:19.220 This is why Mala Dolan, further up north towards the Stockholm area,
00:08:23.220 later become the seat of, like, pagan Sweden.
00:08:26.360 And now the Gothic people that still have connection with the Goths in, like,
00:08:30.600 Eastern and Spain region, basically.
00:08:32.980 Those Goths are the Visigoths and the Austrogoths.
00:08:35.320 So there's still evidence of connection between them,
00:08:37.300 and we have that because there's, like, Roman coins found up in Sweden
00:08:39.780 and all kinds of things, right, going way back.
00:08:42.120 So they probably had connection.
00:08:43.220 And the Goths down there got Christianized,
00:08:45.480 and they were probably travels, and they were missionaries.
00:08:47.480 They started with something called Arian Christianity, Arianism.
00:08:50.580 It's not Arian with a Y, but with an I, Arianism.
00:08:55.540 And Wulfius wrote the Silver Bible, a Gothic Bible,
00:08:59.460 fascinating story, that whole thing.
00:09:01.120 But he basically pitched Christianity to them with Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
00:09:07.680 as kind of like Odin, Thor, and Frey.
00:09:11.100 So it's like, oh, it's kind of like what you guys have already,
00:09:14.460 you know, kind of thing.
00:09:15.260 It's kind of the same, really.
00:09:16.600 And that's why it was considered heresy eventually,
00:09:19.500 and Arianism was, like, outlawed, more or less.
00:09:21.740 It was like battles with this.
00:09:22.680 But anyway, why I'm bringing up the Goths is because on the Kensington
00:09:26.200 Runestone, it mentioned something that was, I forget the number now,
00:09:30.000 but it's like they talk about an incident that happened.
00:09:32.400 They probably encountered some of the natives.
00:09:33.860 It was a battle.
00:09:34.520 And I think it was something like 20 Norsemen and 8 Goths visited here
00:09:42.000 at this date, and this happened, and these people were, you know,
00:09:45.220 bloodied, you know, by axes or something, or, you know.
00:09:49.080 And they've tried to debunk the Kensington Runestone,
00:09:51.260 but I think it's legit, you know what I mean?
00:09:53.560 I think it's, because again, you have to take all the things into account
00:09:56.640 and look at the wider picture.
00:09:58.220 It's like, okay, you can argue how deep they, you know, went,
00:10:01.340 how far west did they go in the U.S., but their presence is known,
00:10:05.240 so this wouldn't be out of the picture.
00:10:06.660 Now, what they have on this one, too, let me see if I have a picture of this.
00:10:08.940 Look at this.
00:10:09.380 This is a petroglyph.
00:10:11.120 This is our logo kind of thing, right?
00:10:12.820 Do you see that?
00:10:13.260 Yeah, the ship.
00:10:13.860 The ship there, right?
00:10:15.100 We came here by boat.
00:10:17.080 Well.
00:10:17.320 Is that what that's saying?
00:10:18.360 What I'm saying, too, is the petroglyphs are significantly older,
00:10:22.580 and they're pinning this on, oh, sometime in the 1800s, right?
00:10:26.280 But if you look at those types of rock carvings, so they're rediscovered,
00:10:33.040 and part of that is because the rock that they carved on,
00:10:35.920 and again, the boats, the petroglyphs, those are, we don't know,
00:10:40.120 3,000, 4,000 years ago, maybe more, maybe a little slightly less.
00:10:43.560 We don't know.
00:10:43.940 This is like going way back.
00:10:45.840 Runes sure is later, although we don't know how long they had that.
00:10:48.620 There's a first record of someone basically rediscovering the rock carvings.
00:10:52.760 The land has been rising, so the sea levels are much further down now
00:10:56.440 than they used to be in those days.
00:10:57.660 The rock carvings were basically just right up where the boat line used to be,
00:11:01.980 so you can even deduce it in that way and say, okay,
00:11:03.780 how much does it recede each year?
00:11:06.240 And then you can count backwards and kind of say, okay,
00:11:08.040 so the water line would have been here when these were carved
00:11:10.660 because they were boat people, right?
00:11:12.840 So these boats are much older, so someone stumbles on them in 1627,
00:11:16.640 but it's not kind of officially in seven deaths more than 100 years later
00:11:21.560 when there were professional recordings of these rock carvings
00:11:25.620 in Tarnum and other areas in, you know,
00:11:27.720 kind of close to the border towards Norway in Sweden.
00:11:31.560 Carl Gustav Gottfried Hilfing made those.
00:11:35.060 So 1792, we're almost in the 1800s, right?
00:11:39.480 This wasn't widely known.
00:11:40.980 This was a small university academic type thing.
00:11:44.880 You tell me they're hired.
00:11:45.700 It's not like they had the internet back then.
00:11:47.460 Yeah, but put it in context, right?
00:11:48.960 He does a boat like that, identical, essentially, in the rock.
00:11:54.260 There it is.
00:11:55.960 To a presumably, what, a Swedish worker for the Hudson Bay Company
00:12:01.340 somehow has knowledge just 20, 30 years later
00:12:05.880 after they first start actually documenting that these things are found,
00:12:09.220 and he immediately goes on to a runic alphabet
00:12:11.440 and types in those rock carvings immediately.
00:12:13.440 It doesn't make sense to me, the timeline in terms of like
00:12:16.180 when they were officially recognized, when they rediscovered these things.
00:12:20.000 And then this guy, random guy, who I presume wasn't some academic,
00:12:24.660 he was probably working some fairly menial job,
00:12:27.740 has knowledge of this.
00:12:29.300 And what would be his motivation, even, if it's true?
00:12:32.140 I don't know.
00:12:32.740 No one knows that.
00:12:33.560 But, you know, I just, it doesn't make sense to me.
00:12:36.820 So I think they're covering it up.
00:12:38.160 That's what I think they're doing.
00:12:39.100 There's other finds.
00:12:39.620 Well, it's always that.
00:12:40.440 When there's evidence that there were white people in America
00:12:44.400 years before Columbus or Canada,
00:12:47.680 it's like, oh, we can't talk about that, right?
00:12:49.560 We can't even look at it because that's white supremacists,
00:12:52.800 that's pseudoscience, that's racism, right?
00:12:55.540 Well, they do this when there's, they call them like,
00:12:57.800 where there's an artifact.
00:12:59.060 I guess this would technically be that, right?
00:13:00.720 They call them oop arts, out-of-place artifacts.
00:13:03.280 Here's the timeline.
00:13:04.260 We know what happened historically.
00:13:05.580 Here's an object that shows up.
00:13:06.760 Well, since that doesn't fit the main timeline we have,
00:13:09.920 okay, well, okay, just either make something up
00:13:12.840 or come up with a, oh, I looked, it was,
00:13:14.920 oh, well, there was a Swedish guy once working
00:13:16.660 at the Hudson Bay Company, so it must have been him.
00:13:18.880 You know what I mean?
00:13:19.300 And again, it's very hard to date these things.
00:13:21.040 I understand that.
00:13:22.420 But here's one I learned of just the other day.
00:13:25.520 The Narragansett runestone in Rhode Island.
00:13:29.860 Hey, we're back to Rhode Island.
00:13:31.000 Remember we played a video there, Newport, Rhode Island?
00:13:34.400 Bowens Wharf?
00:13:35.980 What was it again here?
00:13:36.640 All the white people hanging out?
00:13:37.960 Rock of the Ages, the mysterious runestone
00:13:39.800 is now an official tourist attraction.
00:13:42.280 There's many others where they try to claim,
00:13:44.320 oh, well, we believe these were Native American,
00:13:46.620 whatnot, you know, kind of thing.
00:13:47.880 The boulder had sat in the waters of Pojack Point
00:13:50.460 for decades, and the origin and meaning
00:13:52.140 of its runic inscriptions have been subject
00:13:54.340 to a fierce debate.
00:13:55.480 Someone believed they were inscribed
00:13:56.420 by shoreline visitors some 600 years ago,
00:13:59.960 possibly Vikings or Native Americans.
00:14:02.780 Yeah, they would totally use the runic.
00:14:04.820 And Native Americans are never white.
00:14:06.160 The Udall rune, the radio rune,
00:14:07.120 and all that stuff like that.
00:14:07.300 Yeah, exactly.
00:14:08.080 Come on.
00:14:08.580 The Futhark, yeah, sure.
00:14:09.980 Come on.
00:14:11.440 Others dismissed that they were in suggest
00:14:14.000 that they were carved in recent decades
00:14:15.860 as a hoax, right?
00:14:16.780 They always do this.
00:14:17.300 Oh, it's probably a hoax.
00:14:18.060 Yeah, it's fake.
00:14:18.660 So I had the guy who did the main analysis
00:14:21.940 of the Kensington rune stone,
00:14:23.540 and he got to know the family,
00:14:24.960 the Olof something that they said had carved it
00:14:28.900 or something like that.
00:14:29.600 He found it like under a tree,
00:14:31.020 which tells the story of their interactions
00:14:32.720 with most likely some of the other natives
00:14:34.480 or something living there at the time.
00:14:36.620 But he also talked about that the hooked ex,
00:14:38.900 which is interesting.
00:14:39.640 And again, I can't remember all the backstory to it now.
00:14:42.060 He kind of ties it into like,
00:14:43.400 oh, yeah, they were kind of Vikings,
00:14:45.380 but it was like an early Christianization that happened
00:14:47.580 and they went on these excursions
00:14:49.040 and the X represents, you know,
00:14:50.680 kind of a cross of sorts, right?
00:14:52.060 But again, that can be debated
00:14:54.200 and what the reasons for that are.
00:14:55.540 But the same thing here.
00:14:56.380 The piece that talked about here
00:14:58.060 was like 14, was it 14 Xs or something?
00:15:00.380 Yeah, 14 X markings,
00:15:02.540 a very detailed boat,
00:15:04.140 which matched those petroglyphic rock carvings
00:15:06.840 thousands and thousands of years ago
00:15:08.320 at a time when that basically wasn't widely known
00:15:11.440 to the public at all.
00:15:12.380 Tottenham became like a recognized UN heritage site
00:15:15.460 in like this 1960s, something like that.
00:15:17.860 I mean, we'd known about them before then,
00:15:19.020 but I'm saying this wasn't known knowledge,
00:15:22.240 you know what I mean?
00:15:22.760 And somehow these guys can just show up
00:15:24.560 and talk about Goths and Vikings
00:15:26.040 and carve these boats in there
00:15:28.360 and know all this interesting,
00:15:30.560 kind of interesting history
00:15:32.180 that I think don't, at that time,
00:15:34.260 wasn't widely known, you know what I mean?
00:15:35.780 So anyway, I don't know.
00:15:36.620 I'm throwing that out there.
00:15:38.680 Either way, I like it.
00:15:39.660 I'm feeling more and more like
00:15:40.600 a Native American every day.
00:15:41.760 I was just going to say.
00:15:43.100 I was going to say.
00:15:43.780 Thank you for watching.
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