Red Ice TV - Sacred Sedian Lore on Summer’s Eve with Mark Puryear

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00:05:59.920 welcome back ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining me here today on red ice i'm henry

00:06:27.160 hope you're all doing well it is valpurgis or uh summer's eve it's the may may bonfire uh night

00:06:34.600 uh of course may day is tomorrow may it's an old word for uh for green when things turn greens we

00:06:40.520 get a a big bonfire to uh to do i hope you're you're observing it's always it's good anyway

00:06:45.820 it's just a nice procedure in the yard around this time of year to collect all the all the twigs all

00:06:50.960 the fallen trees all the uh leaves and everything you clean things up and um you know at least in

00:06:56.380 The ancient world, the new year, right, started in spring.

00:07:00.380 That's when things come back to life.

00:07:02.620 So Walpurgis has a long history before.

00:07:05.740 Walborg Walpurgis, I think it's a German, well, the Catholic Church made her into a saint later, I think.

00:07:14.120 But she ended up dying, and this was when there was a battle, obviously, between pagans and Christians.

00:07:20.300 So she became kind of like a martyr or whatever.

00:07:22.240 so that became a celebration kind of around that to recognize her if I got that story right maybe

00:07:28.920 someone knows more about this than me but that's how I remember the story being told anyway and

00:07:32.420 then but before that it goes back you know thousands of years both as a as a function

00:07:37.380 within farming pastoralist kind of communities obviously in terms of function but also like a

00:07:42.840 ritualistic way of kind of celebrating that you've you've survived a long harsh winter

00:07:51.000 This is a time to kind of put the old things to rest, put the bad things to rest.

00:07:56.100 That's why people sometimes they wore masks during this celebration.

00:07:59.500 It's kind of the same idea as a gargoyle, right?

00:08:01.960 You want to scare away the wickedness and the evil and death.

00:08:06.740 It's not a symbol that you're adopting these things.

00:08:09.380 It's a way for you to say, we'll be scarier than the scary thing, right?

00:08:12.840 That's kind of the metaphorical occult or traditional way that they view this kind of stuff, right?

00:08:18.900 some people jumped over the fire you know kind of good uh good traditions that you can do there's

00:08:23.560 some uh some cool footage we can play here a little bit later too but yeah huge bonfires all

00:08:27.860 throughout scandinavia usually around this time of year and then of course kind of the

00:08:31.300 the socialist they kind of co-opted mayday is turning it into their day because of course the

00:08:36.760 the fire fire in the minds of men it's a very revolutionary spirit that they kind of adopted

00:08:40.900 that but anyway that's just some of the stuff that we got going on here today so i think it's

00:08:44.860 a good time to have our guest back on the show mark purrier here was actually almost a year ago

00:08:49.140 uh since he was on talking about fun said the food saver um the um ancient ways and of course

00:08:56.240 he has a new book out now as well that we're going to talk more about mark welcome back to

00:09:00.320 the show how are you hey how's it going great to see you again great to see you as well how's

00:09:04.840 things been yes almost a year to the to the dot actually here i saw yeah yeah it's really good

00:09:11.080 so yeah i remember the last time we were here we're talking about some of our work and all

00:09:16.320 that stuff and trying to uh hold on i'm trying to get my camera centered there we go oh it's good

00:09:21.300 so um you know we're uh just got finished with our summer mall celebration and just got finished

00:09:27.420 uh putting that all together went up to south dakota and had a great celebration up there

00:09:31.120 it's just been fantastic celebrating the welcoming of the summer and uh establishing all that it's

00:09:36.860 it was great really great it's really great to see like a new caliber of people coming into the

00:09:41.800 fold here and really trying to um you know understand like how this stuff is you know

00:09:47.500 forming fomenting and growing into something positive and uplifting for people it's just

00:09:52.900 phenomenal it's just really great i'm glad to hear it that's good that's good to hear it's what

00:09:56.780 we it's what we need we need more more tradition more celebrations more way of uh celebrating our

00:10:02.580 people our folk our ways and how things used to be and tie in those things back into our modern era

00:10:08.960 i think it's tremendously important especially these days just getting out in nature lighting

00:10:12.920 a bonfire it's very symbolic right a fire they had beacons in the past yeah here's some of the

00:10:17.900 footage of people that actually wear the the masks as well mask is one of those things by the way

00:10:21.680 within kind of pre-christian uh native european spiritual traditions that was very prominent i

00:10:26.460 remember when because it's around this time of year too right easter posk we call it in sweden

00:10:31.920 I remember we actually dressed up as witches, right?

00:10:34.780 The Hexennacht is another word for it in German, which is witches' night.

00:10:40.220 And again, I'm not sure if that's the co-opting of like saying this is when we burn the witches,

00:10:44.120 if that's come later, but it's nothing to do originally with those types of things, right?

00:10:48.300 But this idea that you dress up and you're like,

00:10:50.720 we even had fireworks actually to scare away the bad entities and things like this, right?

00:10:58.580 The veil is apparently thin around this time of year as well.

00:11:01.100 and we got a full moon is it tonight or tomorrow so it's a good kind of alignment here today

00:11:04.200 yeah something i think so yeah um and when you're looking at the old calendar like the the mystery

00:11:10.740 calendar and some people look at the lunar solar calendar i mean summer mall is like just happened

00:11:15.260 and uh it all ties in you know the idea of like the mystery calendar with the winter you know

00:11:20.760 starts at winter nights and then summer begins at summer mall and you have mid-summer and mid-winter

00:11:24.960 marking those middle points yeah yep the cross quarter equinox kind of points um four years

00:11:30.960 That's the Sun Cross, right, the division of the year.

00:11:33.960 It's one of the most ancient symbols that we have in Europe.

00:11:38.560 Okay, so lots to talk about here today.

00:11:41.140 There's certainly other things we can mention about the summer's eve as well,

00:11:45.660 a little bit later if we want to.

00:11:46.700 But as we said, Aldruna, runes of the ages, right, the sacred Scythian lore.

00:11:54.100 That's the title of the book.

00:11:55.340 I should pull it up here too.

00:11:56.260 And it's really, as I'm going through it, it's like an, I'm not sure if that's the correct one, but like an index book, right, of all the, it's both important people, but celebrations and just trying to, it looks to me from the outset, again, I've been going through it as much as I could here before the show, but of trying to cataloging as much of this knowledge as possible.

00:12:16.560 Is that a kind of a fair assessment, would you say?

00:12:18.640 yeah i mean what we're trying to do you know and what we've been doing for years and you and i

00:12:24.560 talked about this last time is the work of uh victor rydberg and and trying to look at and i

00:12:30.000 pronounced it right that time victor you got mad at me for saying right right bird right yeah it's

00:12:40.160 all good so uh so what we're showing people and what we're truly trying to develop here is just

00:12:45.120 understanding that our people in the north the germanic people had this concept of a sacred epic

00:12:52.240 and that sacred epic was holy to them and you saw it as part of like you know their culture

00:12:57.680 and and their history and their heritage and they saw this as their central to their world view

00:13:02.960 and so what we did is you know we saw uh reed bear's work and we're trying to you know basically

00:13:09.920 build it from the sources themselves as close as we could possibly can get now we started out we had

00:13:14.880 the also true etta and then we had the odinus etta and all that and these were incarnations

00:13:19.600 that we were putting together and at the time you know i was really just trying to just prove it all

00:13:23.840 you know just try to make the case for it and show people that uh that this was there and i kind of

00:13:28.640 just threw everything but the kitchen sink in it and some of the sources we came back and saw hey

00:13:33.280 look this is spurious this doesn't really count you know and all this stuff like orlinda book

00:13:37.200 stuff was in there we took all that out some proto-indo-european theories and stuff got thrown

00:13:41.920 out i mean a lot of stuff we're just trying to make it purely dramatic you know even with like

00:13:45.960 the runes you know we had stuff with the runes we're kind of piecing together things so we could

00:13:49.340 fit the elder food art we took that out we put in the icelandic rune poem because it's there it's

00:13:54.140 actually there as literature you know yeah and then we had um you know the uh there was actually

00:13:59.020 a poem that i found out about that was added into the poetic edic corpus and that was uh called

00:14:04.860 gunnerschlag and gunnerschlager is actually not real it's actually been passed along in some edic

00:14:11.540 of forms in the Poetic Edda, and it's not a poem. The guy who wrote it in like the 1800s said,

00:14:17.780 look, no, I wrote this. It's not part of this. And they were like, no, we'll just include it

00:14:21.400 anyway. So we took that out, and we're really just, you know, we wanted to see if we could

00:14:29.280 build this narrative in its purest Germanic form, and actually show the Germanic history

00:14:35.540 and their germanic lore in the best way that we possibly could so this idea of this you know of

00:14:42.180 having you know alderuner is the idea of having this sacred epic and this comes from even the

00:14:48.900 name of it comes from rigstula and it's the idea that heimdall comes and teaches these runes

00:14:55.300 to the noble classes in order for them to pass on religion and culture and so when we see the

00:15:01.780 the word rune, you know, the word often gets associated with the letters, you know, and all

00:15:06.300 that. And the letters are, they're pivotal, you know, and they're part of it, you know, but

00:15:11.540 the, we're not, that's not necessarily what we're seeing every time when it's mentioned in the

00:15:16.340 poetic era. You know, a lot of times it's just talking about secrets, typically trade secrets,

00:15:20.580 like in Sigrid Femal, it talks about like sadruner and, you know, which are sea runes and

00:15:25.160 ulruner, which are ale runes and things like that. They're talking about, you know, the secrets of

00:15:30.140 sailing, bringing good luck in sailing, the secret in ale making, and things like that.

00:15:35.860 And so these are the things that, you know, these different people that would have these

00:15:39.180 different professions would need to make their profession successful. And then you see that with

00:15:44.700 the noble class, they end up with the, you know, the Afenruner and the Alterruner, right? And so

00:15:49.800 these runes that they had mean, you know, the Afenruner means the runes of earthly life,

00:15:55.340 and Aldaruner means the ruins of the ages.

00:15:57.980 And so we see their stories

00:16:00.420 and they're broken into these different ages

00:16:02.560 of golden age, silver age, copper age,

00:16:04.320 and all that stuff.

00:16:05.220 And we also see these mentioned,

00:16:07.160 even though we don't have it laid out perfectly for us,

00:16:09.320 we do see those, you know,

00:16:10.600 the word gold alder exists,

00:16:12.560 golden age, wolf age, farc alder, right?

00:16:15.580 Or it could be outlaw age.

00:16:17.140 So we do understand

00:16:18.040 that they probably broke their epic up in ages.

00:16:20.980 So we looked at that, we examined it,

00:16:23.240 we pieced it together,

00:16:24.180 we showed it from the actual source material and and i mean people are latching on to it it's it's

00:16:29.320 really you know uh it's really taken off and we're really excited about it because it gives us a body

00:16:34.720 of heathen lore yeah which is necessary right because a lot of the kind of complaints i guess

00:16:39.160 too and and it's partially true for for my own reckoning because it's it's so wide and kind of

00:16:44.400 dispersed and like what you as you said is that true was this true you look into things and you

00:16:48.660 maybe you go down to the wrong hole rabbit hole and you know you know you're into something and

00:16:53.040 turns out that that was like kind of maybe questionable or you couldn't correlate it with

00:16:56.960 other historical uh you know chronicles or something like that right um so that's really

00:17:01.800 been one of the complaints like you know well make it make it easy right just pull it all together

00:17:06.320 kind of thing and and it's you know i hate that it's unfortunate i wish it wasn't so but the fact

00:17:11.820 is people are busy they're living you know hectic lives and even if they have a mild interest in

00:17:16.820 these kinds of things they need something that's distilled short shorter uh boiled down and uh

00:17:23.240 you know basically and i have to use the word bible to compare it but like you know a a a book

00:17:28.500 a work that kind of pulls as much of this together in a concise way that conveys um metaphor and

00:17:36.480 mythology uh spiritual tradition uh but also i think that the historical aspect right because we

00:17:42.280 we are learning things all the time you think that this is like kind of a done deal but it's

00:17:47.460 like new things you discover all the time even through the archaeological works and the digs

00:17:51.260 that they're doing you're finding things all of a sudden like literally in the ground that

00:17:54.500 correlates and stuff there's i mean my gosh if we had the time i guess or or the the effort that

00:18:00.880 the institutions really actually to to do these things man there there's local so many local

00:18:07.320 legends and things that have been passed down there's you know people that would be

00:18:10.620 you know in my grandparents age like a couple of you know a decade or two ago that would like

00:18:16.580 have some of these stories you know i mean still local tales of what happened in this area and

00:18:22.500 once you begin i did this locally in our area and i kind of begin to piece things together

00:18:26.480 you realize i had a small node point or portion of how what happened in the area where where i

00:18:32.200 grew up and where my grandparents grew up what happened kind of around it and how that tied into

00:18:36.600 some of the historical sagas and stuff so this is an ongoing work this is something that um you know

00:18:42.420 people like you were so fortunate that you've set out to kind of like trying to bring all of this

00:18:47.240 basically together for us you know i mean so do you do you have a lot of other people that are

00:18:50.760 helping you with this or do you do primarily yourself or uh do you wish you had a team to help

00:18:55.300 you you know pulling these things together no we have we yes um we have the nornist society which

00:19:01.340 we um you know we do a lot of debating we we throw a lot of ideas out there we figure out

00:19:06.260 what sticks, what doesn't stick. You know, I have some great people who are scholars and academics

00:19:11.060 who have helped us to put a lot of this together. And, you know, we've gotten heated at times,

00:19:17.020 you know, it's part of it, but it's fun because it's, you know, it's really reaching this higher

00:19:22.420 goal and making sure that we're doing everything correctly. And so we've brought a lot of people

00:19:28.000 in on this. You know, I've got Kyle Davis, who's like my right-hand guy, Keith Osgood,

00:19:31.840 You know, sometimes like Scott Shell will reach in.

00:19:35.620 I've got some other people who are working with us as well.

00:19:38.760 I mean, we have Kvassar Academy.

00:19:40.720 We have our own students that are, you know, helping us to push ideas and talk about things.

00:19:46.920 And so these discussions that we have on our forums, typically on Telegram, they really help us to push forward and make this happen, you know.

00:19:54.380 yeah and so the idea is that if the more discussion we have the more understanding we get then we

00:19:59.940 start to lay out this information and some of these translations that people are doing and

00:20:03.660 these ideas it's really just trying to get to the understanding of it you know yeah and so

00:20:08.280 we look at it from the perspective of you know if we build it off of what we call the epic method

00:20:14.100 and the epic method is basically built on the principle that there is an epic and that epic

00:20:18.800 is told to us through Vulespa and that the poetic edda is our primary source other sources are

00:20:26.160 secondary or tertiary and that these are not you know going to be contradicting the poetic edda

00:20:32.240 and that we build it on this methodology then we can actually see this epic unfold

00:20:37.680 and so in doing so you know once once i started to you know sort of purify everything and clean

00:20:43.280 out a lot of this stuff that was in it before i was really concerned that we were going to lose

00:20:47.120 a lot of that narrative you know because like i said originally i was just trying to prove this i

00:20:51.120 was just trying to show people look we can do this but it was like now it's time to look at this and

00:20:56.720 and try to see if there's something that we have for ourselves for our faith that would be sacred

00:21:02.320 to us that's why we call it sacred city and lore because it's not about creating a holy text you

00:21:08.000 know because the holy text is something that's revealed it's like the word of god type thing the

00:21:12.320 bible and all that stuff but it is sacred because the epic is sacred and so you know we we're not

00:21:17.520 saying that we have a perfect or we are the best or anything like that but we're saying that we

00:21:21.520 have this epic and we believe strongly that this epic was sacred to our ancestors and piecing it

00:21:26.960 together would have been would have thus been something sacred for us to do just in the act of

00:21:32.480 it you know yeah and um we we see this as something like an epic chain that they had

00:21:38.720 And, you know, there's theories going on that the Markan or the fairy tales and stuff like

00:21:43.540 that, those are the stories that, you know, came out of this that were not added to the

00:21:47.380 epic and they just became like their own corpus.

00:21:50.300 And then the epic chain is the stories of the gods, of the heroes, of the great people

00:21:54.220 who lived and the great divinities that sort of oversaw our ancestors and our folk, right?

00:22:00.500 And so as we see this chain as something holy and sacred to us, you know, then the book

00:22:06.300 itself is a sacred text.

00:22:07.600 it's not a revealed text you know and so it becomes something that we can look at and understand our

00:22:13.400 religion better and understand how where this comes from understand the connection that we all

00:22:18.540 have through this and then understand how we can utilize this in the modern world yeah definitely

00:22:23.800 yeah sources is always an issue i this is a i forget actually where i found this graph but

00:22:29.040 and i maybe you would have disagreements with it but i've seen other people that's my point

00:22:32.720 while bringing it up to like trying to kind of like yeah parse them out and say like this kind

00:22:37.140 of belongs to this category of sources here's another thing you know that kind of thing right

00:22:41.140 because we do have the issue of this being you know orally passed down and then written down

00:22:45.420 later and you do have the fact that then it's written down by a snorkel who's a who's a did he

00:22:50.780 did he alter this right did he put his own spin on certain things there's a lot of layers there

00:22:56.600 to kind of unravel right yeah right well that's the thing is that you have to like the thing is

00:23:02.800 is you have to escape from blanket terminology a lot of people would say you know some people

00:23:07.780 would say well Snorri Sturluson is the you know he's the the the ultimate authority on it and

00:23:12.320 then other people would say no he's just total garbage and it's like no like you have to examine 0.60

00:23:16.920 exactly what he's saying throughout his look at it from an objective viewpoint extrapolate what 0.91

00:23:22.680 you can out of it and then use you know then they discard the rest and like you know the very

00:23:28.240 framework and because we were pointing out like people say a lot of this stuff is christian

00:23:32.260 propaganda and all that stuff and say okay well let's examine what propaganda is and we've done

00:23:37.240 talks on this before let's look at like how does propaganda work and how did these guys utilize

00:23:42.740 propaganda so that if there are you know pieces of this that we can use in the celebration of our

00:23:49.040 faith, then we should get a thing that we bring to the table on this. And so we look at it line

00:23:55.660 by line, you know, like, for example, looking at the very framework of Gilwagening, right,

00:24:01.080 which means the diluting of Gilvie, all right? So this poem, I mean, not poem, this narrative

00:24:07.340 that he develops, first off, he develops it in the Latin, what's the word for it? It's like the

00:24:13.920 Latin conversation, I can't remember the name of it, but it's when they're basically going back

00:24:18.620 and forth, you know, and they, um, it was a Latin method of presenting information and that they

00:24:24.640 would have like these, uh, conversations with each other and stuff. A lot of the philosophers

00:24:28.100 did it and things like that. And so he's, he's obviously using a Latin model for that. And then

00:24:33.280 the fact is, is that even the word Gilbagging, the diluting of Gilfring is connected to Christian

00:24:39.340 propaganda of the idea that these people were, you know, celebrating ancient Kings and Queens

00:24:45.420 who um who weren't really gods that they were all just you know heroes who got lifted up and

00:24:50.980 and worshipped as divine beings and replaced the real god who's the christian god right and so all

00:24:57.200 of that information is and that's why you have to look at understand exactly what you're reading

00:25:02.860 and know how the propaganda works and and dissect it so that you can you know like i said extrapolate

00:25:10.180 exactly what it is that is real that we can utilize for the epic itself yeah how important

00:25:16.840 is to get as obviously this is extremely important right getting as close kind of to the the sources

00:25:22.480 as possible the source material to really kind of drill down into into getting a sense of accuracy

00:25:29.400 right and then we said that last time and it's not that you know you've it's not that you fill in the

00:25:34.060 gaps right yourself but the point is anything from history even some of the most authoritative

00:25:40.460 religious scriptures oh there's no one debating those things obviously right that's just that's

00:25:45.800 just human nature you know i mean like that there isn't there is no singular authority everyone

00:25:49.760 will have their own spin on it kind of thing but it's so accuracy accuracy matters but ultimately

00:25:56.280 it's the broad strokes that ties it all together if that makes sense would you agree yeah yeah and

00:26:01.980 And the thing is, is that, you know, we're looking at when we're looking at the verses themselves and the passages and the prose etta and saxo and the poetic etta and all these different, you know, skaldic poetry and all that.

00:26:13.660 We always are trying to go for like the most literal translations so that people can really get a feel for what is being done, you know, because we're not trying to like color this in like, you know, poetic language or trying to make it look fancy or whatever.

00:26:26.700 We're really trying to get people to understand the religion itself and where these people, you know, are coming, where our ancestral faith comes from, because this is the religion itself, the idea of it being ancestral, you know, from the ancient customs or foreign cedar, you know.

00:26:41.280 And so this idea is the building this is the, you know, the groundwork of it comes from actually looking at the sources and not rewriting them, but actually piecing them together as a puzzle and quoting them directly, citing them directly and trying to as much of an accurate narrative as possible.

00:27:01.880 Yeah, exactly. So you go through, you look at the index of the book, a lot of things you go through from creation, right? Creation of the cosmos, emergence of the worlds, the great world, Yggdrasil, the structure of the nine realms, the origins and deeds of the gods and primeval beings, the unfolding ages of the cosmos from the earliest time to the wolf age, mentioned before, and the events leading to Ragnarok and the renewal of the cosmos.

00:27:31.880 world so like an all-encompassing uh holistic i guess approach to uh to to norse uh spiritual

00:27:38.520 tradition essentially right yes absolutely we left no stone unturned in this i i've been

00:27:45.800 this this endeavor um i mean i've been doing this for about 20 25 years working on this with like

00:27:52.520 with the ostrichetta um came out first that was like the first really incarnation of it i've worked

00:27:58.680 with um william reeves to build uh fadernas gooda saga and to you know understand and and really try

00:28:07.240 to build up this understanding of what this epic was what his perspective on it was how we can

00:28:13.480 develop that perspective and then really take this to the highest level that we possibly could

00:28:18.920 and so as we're piecing all of this together i mean like i said this is my life's work right

00:28:23.560 here this is even though i put out other books like avon loker and uh avon runer and and other

00:28:28.440 book and all these different books that we put out this book right here has been you know just

00:28:33.480 the the entire focus of my life and so i've spent most of my life working on it and piecing it

00:28:39.560 together and understanding it and trying to you know get it as as best as i possibly could because

00:28:46.040 it's so important it's so necessary because it forms the court the kernel of everything else

00:28:51.560 once you understand the epic, you understand the entire faith and everything just sort of unfolds

00:28:56.120 from that. Do you, when you're working with these things, do you ever have that internal dialogue

00:29:01.880 that this is, this is too much for people to kind of wrap their head around. And so I need to just

00:29:06.560 simplify and simplify and simplify. And there's a risk, of course, that you kind of, then you cut

00:29:10.180 out too much, you lose maybe, maybe the essence of it or something like that. But that's kind of

00:29:14.080 like the time we're in too, right? Short form, Spurgy people are, you know, attention span is 1.00

00:29:18.900 low and stuff like that so there's so much good stuff here which is like is it for the select few 1.00

00:29:24.280 who have the dedicated dedication to put the time and the effort and really know or whatever or or

00:29:29.220 do you think there is an application that can be broadly adopted but just like any religion right

00:29:35.920 they you don't not everyone is a is a pastor or a priest or a scholar or a cantor or someone who

00:29:43.000 have the all-encompassing text but they're getting you know kind of portions of it how

00:29:47.560 how do you think we should structure this in order to make it more palatable? I guess,

00:29:51.220 I guess that's what I'm asking. Well, my, my thing is, um, you know, I think that we should

00:29:56.120 start broad, like you're saying, start with the big stuff and then work it down into like a funnel

00:30:01.060 towards people who don't have, you know, the capability to sit here and read a 550 page book,

00:30:06.060 which is what this is. And, um, so the thing is, is that, you know, you try to make it palatable,

00:30:12.080 um, using different media forms and different ideas. And you try to really show people that

00:30:16.860 these stories are valid. And I think that's the most important part for me is like starting out

00:30:21.400 with the accuracy of it, building it properly, making it where it's something that we can actually

00:30:27.020 view as something sacred to us and something that is a part of our culture and our history and our

00:30:31.880 folk, right? And then sort of narrowing that down to different ideas that you can grow and develop

00:30:38.880 and create in a way that people can take it in and it would be more palatable. So I would say

00:30:44.280 in that perspective, you know, you'd want to just sort of break it down into little pieces, you know,

00:30:49.380 and understand each part of this. And we're going to be doing that. I mean, this isn't just,

00:30:53.640 this is just the beginning of this. First off, you can see on the listing there, it says the

00:30:59.840 Setian Doctrine Series, right? And what we're trying to do is we're trying to go back to the

00:31:04.960 origins of the Norana Society and really look at the, you know, what they were doing. And they

00:31:11.240 were they were building collections building collections of books that were being you know

00:31:15.280 given to royal families and to presidential libraries and things like that because they

00:31:18.920 were considered important for european especially scandinavian heritage and so they ended up in a

00:31:24.200 lot of those libraries and so what we're going to do is that cover you see on there we're going to

00:31:28.260 mimic that cover in an entire series called the city and doctrine series and it's going to let

00:31:33.280 you you know have an entire collection of every book that we've ever published we're going to

00:31:37.880 edit some of them like the oldest book is going to completely get re-edited and all that stuff

00:31:42.720 so we can have some really top-notch philosophy in there and then uh all the other books are just

00:31:48.180 getting reformatted into the smaller size of six by nine because i've always published big books

00:31:52.580 because i'm just trying to get it out there and uh so i think that um you know this is something

00:31:57.800 that we're going to be moving forward on and it's it's going to help people to really take this in

00:32:02.780 and then we have like uh you know kyle kyle davis put out the work traditional heathenry

00:32:07.200 and that helps people to sort of get an overview of everything to really kind of break down the

00:32:12.540 nuts and bolts of what uh sedian belief is when was the um the osatra edda out what year did you

00:32:19.460 complete that oh the i think i was like 2016 okay yeah so 10 years ago yeah okay yeah yeah um so it's

00:32:27.580 and do you feel you've learned is as every year goes by you just you learn more and more

00:32:34.300 you expand that knowledge uh do you integrate that as well so you feel you just have a better

00:32:39.140 over encompassing kind of um view on the on the work that you're into and the research you're

00:32:44.340 doing yeah well and that's well the thing was is that we we had a book that we put out called

00:32:49.680 send a book right and this was going to be like our book of rituals and i put it together and i

00:32:55.820 had to completely rewrite the whole thing I just got to a point where I looked at it and I was like

00:33:00.880 this is not good I wanted to get just completely rewrite it and so I started reworking on it and

00:33:08.080 then and it just sent me out of this rabbit hole where I was just you know doing so much research

00:33:12.280 and I started realizing all the problems with it and you know nobody likes to rewrite a book it's

00:33:16.080 not fun you want to you want to make sure everything you're putting out is as accurate

00:33:19.080 as possible but you just get like this new research comes new ideas come new things form and

00:33:23.480 gel. And so what I did is I kind of took a step back from all of it. I said, you know, I'm not

00:33:28.620 going to just sit here and rewrite books over and over again as new information comes out. I want to

00:33:32.320 make sure that when we put in something, we put as much into it as we possibly can. So maybe we

00:33:37.160 might have to do an edit later, not just completely rewrite a book, you know. And so what we did is

00:33:41.580 I built like an infrastructure, a research infrastructure where I started collecting

00:33:45.500 websites and databases and things like that, where I can get the information that I need as fast as

00:33:51.240 possible and then we can start to understand it like uh there's a really great website called onp

00:33:56.760 and uh onp is uh you can go on there and type in an old norse word and it will show you every

00:34:02.600 single source that that word exists in and so it's great it's just fantastic because you can go through

00:34:08.520 it and like research so much with that and really learn a lot and then there's uh volus.org um which

00:34:14.920 is great it's got all these really great literal translations of the of the poetic edda and and

00:34:19.880 good translations of the prose edit and all that and there's just there's just all these websites

00:34:23.880 that i just started collecting so that i could have all this information to at my fingertips

00:34:28.680 all these books that i need all these different things that you know i can go in and once i did

00:34:33.240 that and i started to really you know break down how the research was going to go everything just

00:34:39.080 kind of blossomed from there you know avon runer came out from that avon runer too then uh avon

00:34:44.600 Lager and then, uh, and then Alderunner, right?

00:34:47.360 All of these books are a part of the coming out of that infrastructure that we

00:34:51.200 developed.

00:34:52.320 All right.

00:34:52.600 Yeah.

00:34:52.760 Here's the source Danish university of Copenhagen or this one.

00:34:56.760 Okay.

00:34:56.960 Interesting.

00:34:57.320 Yeah.

00:34:57.920 Good, uh, good source to be able to do tap into.

00:35:00.360 Yeah.

00:35:00.520 I heard earlier too, you mentioned the, I don't have some controversy around

00:35:03.400 all these things that were all in the book.

00:35:05.240 Do you think it just, what do you think that's just made up?

00:35:07.320 It was just, it just removed.

00:35:08.880 You don't, you don't buy any of it.

00:35:10.160 well the thing was is that at the time when i was uh first putting together i was reading some

00:35:17.200 really good arguments in favor of it sure sure and there was some really good information that

00:35:21.580 some people were putting out and i was like you know i wanted to uh to incorporate it because i

00:35:26.400 i wasn't looking at it as a literal text like that's one thing people need to understand that

00:35:30.360 that's i think that's when people started going into crazy town with it when they're like this

00:35:34.120 is an actual like sacred text of our people like no we never saw that i was looking at it as yet

00:35:39.320 another corrupted, possibly early manuscript, medieval or late medieval manuscript that you

00:35:47.480 could look at and correlate to actual events that were occurring. One of the best arguments that I

00:35:53.060 was seeing is that in Orlinda book, there's the mention of the Migration Saga, and the full-on

00:35:58.480 research into the Migration Saga didn't happen until a century later, after it was discovered.

00:36:04.560 And so I was like, I kind of held on to that because I'd seen the research into the migration saga.

00:36:09.860 And I was like, it's just interesting that this book contains this when even the research after it was discovered didn't happen until way later.

00:36:17.560 And so that's why I kind of leaned in on it for a while.

00:36:20.880 But then, you know, you just want to get to a point where you're trying to lay your work on as strong a foundation as possible.

00:36:27.660 And so that's why we just said, hey, look, we'll just pull this out.

00:36:30.860 we'll we'll get rid of it and we'll um we'll build up on what we know is you know likely the um the

00:36:38.160 corpus of this faith yeah that's what you're gonna have to do you have to have a a maybe pile you

00:36:44.100 know okay it's interesting let's let's see how it fits into the context of other things right because

00:36:49.440 yeah i've always uh appreciated the you can correlate it you can look at some of the

00:36:54.000 primary chronicles or the just the norm or the getica or you know like you can you can piece

00:37:01.100 kind of piece this together but i just when i started looking into this uh more more regularly

00:37:08.640 and taking an active interest in it oh gosh 10 50 15 years ago maybe now or something like that

00:37:15.220 i just realized how much when i dip in again and look how much more material is out there now and

00:37:20.240 and how much more is being done on this all the time.

00:37:22.680 It's not like some stagnant thing.

00:37:25.020 This is kind of ever-evolving as we're doing it.

00:37:28.240 And I can expect, or I would assume as well, right,

00:37:32.140 because I remember you did a show that was interesting.

00:37:34.020 You were talking about the Uppoka Temple in Lund, Scania.

00:37:37.040 One of these examples, right, of like fairly recently,

00:37:40.820 historically speaking, that they discovered these things.

00:37:43.300 And I bet you there's other cult locations.

00:37:45.740 There's other temples.

00:37:46.660 There's all kinds of things out there that we haven't discovered.

00:37:49.520 but uh you know over time usually maybe expansions i forget this was a farmer i think basically

00:37:55.940 tripped over it sometimes it's road expansions becomes very um it's usually around those types

00:38:01.080 of things they they stumble across these things and all of a sudden you have a you have way more

00:38:06.460 detail and and interesting things that you can look at and kind of piece together um so it's far

00:38:12.280 from from from over and it's far from like it's a done deal or set in stone literally like that

00:38:18.220 and we're finding more things out as every year passes it's quite remarkable actually how much

00:38:22.220 you can you can glean from things like this oh yeah and the thing is like when we were doing

00:38:27.380 that show the uh just just looking at the historic resources itself you know there's a lot of

00:38:33.160 information that uh he brought to the table on that because he collected all those histories

00:38:38.300 and showed how those people like all from the saxons to the goths to the you know the um the uh

00:38:44.600 The Geats and all these different tribes and stuff like that all over Northern Europe had these histories where they were, you know, saying literally that they believe that Skulne is where the ethnogenesis occurred.

00:38:57.080 and so excuse me when you had um when you have dna that's coming out and showing that you know

00:39:04.500 the germanic people likely originated from this region and then you have sites like opokra which

00:39:09.760 are right next to a beach and we see a beach is discovered you know mentioned in the poetic era

00:39:14.820 as where the gods first came and made mankind and then sweet yod is in that area with uh

00:39:19.640 heimdall coming in and bringing in the classes and all that stuff you really start to see that this

00:39:24.520 is, you know, where this is. This is the sacred land. And to me, you know, for me, I'm planning

00:39:32.020 on going there. I'm working on, you know, saving up to get a trip over there and all that. And I

00:39:36.360 encourage all heathens to go there. If I actually make it over to that region, I want to, you know,

00:39:42.880 basically just make it a pilgrimage, like a sacred pilgrimage and take my kids out there and let them

00:39:47.540 touch the soil and let them, you know, walk along the beach that possibly Odin and his brothers made

00:39:52.540 the first man on and all that you know yeah this the womb of nations they call it right because

00:39:58.140 there's so many tribes that uh just basically poured out of these i mean even madison grant

00:40:04.100 you know compiled that and did research on these kinds of things right of looking at the different

00:40:08.020 germanic groups and stuff and and how they um how they seeded many of the other consequent european

00:40:14.260 peoples and civilizations and everything else right um so that area kind of circled there and

00:40:19.640 you could you could argue about exactly what to include and whatnot whatever but yeah that seems

00:40:24.200 to be the the the core core kind of area and it's interesting too because i wonder

00:40:30.360 dogerland is kind of between england and denmark right there's these old this was a flood zone i

00:40:36.920 think you go back to the what the kim the kimbry uh teutons that have said to migrate because of

00:40:42.600 the fact that this was i mean look at like the netherlands today it's lowlands right here right

00:40:46.840 they're literally have to build dikes and you know around to make sure that the ocean doesn't come in

00:40:51.560 so there's things here that could be under sea level even older older things i don't know how

00:40:57.400 quickly that went but regardless denmark as you said southern parts of sweden northern germany

00:41:02.200 that seems to be like the kind of the core yeah sacred sacred region that's our that's our holy

00:41:07.800 land right there you know i mean right yeah i agree like totally i think that that is and and

00:41:12.520 the fact that you know we have regions over there like uh in norway and stuff like that you have the

00:41:17.880 the um the island of helgeland which means the holy land and you have like these these these um

00:41:23.720 you know areas like odin say which is the the island of odin i mean all of these different

00:41:28.840 regions of stuff the naming of them the connection to them i i really believe that there's something

00:41:34.280 that you know more to the name lund and uh the idea that london grove you know this grove yeah

00:41:40.280 the growth it means yeah and and then you have you know the idea that ask an emblo were created

00:41:46.440 in this area and um the christians kind of you know put their mark on there so there was something

00:41:52.840 to it i mean there definitely is something in that region that is you know we can see it as a holy

00:41:58.760 area as the the womb of nations as you know where we can um look to and understand where ethnogenesis

00:42:05.800 occurred where all of these stories evolved out of and these are stories that are being told and

00:42:11.240 marked and noted by people you know all the way in saxony and uh you know further south than that

00:42:16.760 and the the idea is that these people knew where they came from they knew the regions that they

00:42:22.200 were in and they were not these isolated tribes that were all so different and they were all like

00:42:27.160 you know individualists or anything like that they were connected they a lot of them were related to

00:42:31.720 each other they were intermarrying with each other um on a tribal basis to build alliances

00:42:36.600 and things like that and this was you know germania that's what it was that's it and the

00:42:40.920 romans knew that definitely yep and they luckily they didn't advance further than the than the

00:42:45.960 elbe the rhine right there right so um this is another interesting era in that area is stored

00:42:52.120 All the stones. It's formed like a ship. You see these. If you go to the Celtic side, usually they're more like an actual stone circle.

00:43:07.540 But a lot of these in Scandinavia and some other parts as well, Sweden, Denmark, they're formed like an actual ship, right?

00:43:15.740 And it's right by the coastline. You can see kind of in the shot there, just to the right, the ocean right there.

00:43:19.780 And that's going over to Germany, Denmark, depending on which place you're looking at there.

00:43:26.480 But, I mean, again, just the parallels to the calendrical systems.

00:43:31.260 We have a great researcher, scholar here in Sweden.

00:43:34.920 I had him on the show many, many years ago.

00:43:36.100 But he did a whole analysis of the sunrise, you know, at these stones as a calendar and things like this.

00:43:43.900 And these things are very hard to date, too.

00:43:46.400 I mean, obviously, we've got to mention that, right?

00:43:47.760 Like, even if you find an urn or something that's closed or dug down by one of these stones,

00:43:53.720 that doesn't mean that that's when the stone were set, obviously, right?

00:43:56.960 This could be an occult location for people thousands of years after it was actually constructed.

00:44:02.080 So we, unfortunately, we don't know.

00:44:04.220 We can't really date these stones.

00:44:05.720 But the point is, it's probably pretty old.

00:44:08.680 This goes way back.

00:44:10.280 And it's kind of like a triangular area there.

00:44:12.840 You have Trelleborg, which is where one of these old kind of Viking forts are on the, what is that, the western, southwestern portion.

00:44:22.020 Then you have Ustad, kind of almost right at the tip of Sweden, the most southern portion, essentially, of Sweden right there.

00:44:29.280 And then Uppokra is not too far away from there.

00:44:31.920 So it's like kind of forming a triangle of a very ancient and obviously important area.

00:44:38.780 I mean, obviously, look, you could talk about Uppsala.

00:44:41.540 You can go into that whole thing as well, and I think there's parallels.

00:44:45.280 Who knows where they actually went every nine years, right?

00:44:48.000 All the Germanic tribes gather, and they went to Uppsala, Uppsula,

00:44:51.960 where the sun rises, Uppsala, all these etymological,

00:44:55.740 you mentioned it before too, the name, the place names.

00:44:58.720 Again, just me being out when I started getting and developing an interest for this,

00:45:03.200 going out in my own backyard, driving around and visiting some of these places

00:45:06.780 and places and looking at the place names and what they convey it's it's i mean it's a fascinating

00:45:13.700 study in and of itself right uh echoes of gods obviously or a name that alludes to a certain

00:45:21.520 kind of function almost or or uh where it was you can you kind of begin to decode this after a while

00:45:27.480 and it becomes kind of clear to you things when i grew up and just like didn't mean anything but

00:45:31.620 as you learn more about it you almost like can see this you know it's revealing itself like

00:45:36.000 holy shit like these place names are all like super important you know i mean it's fascinating

00:45:40.520 yeah and that's what it is is that you see you know the stories unfold you see the connection 0.98

00:45:46.400 to the divine and you really start to see that you know when they were naming all this stuff and

00:45:51.020 they looked at you know how they were going to settle and build and develop that they saw this

00:45:57.660 religion as integral to everything it was part of who they were it wasn't like this separate thing

00:46:03.080 where you go to church every Sunday or something like that.

00:46:05.180 You ate, slept, and breathed it.

00:46:07.440 And it was like, it was just a part of everything.

00:46:10.340 And so like one of the things we did

00:46:12.040 when we're putting the Avanloger together,

00:46:14.080 we're talking about the law, right?

00:46:15.740 Is that a lot of academics really, oh, sorry,

00:46:18.580 really missed the mark on the legal structures

00:46:22.280 of these people because they were always looking

00:46:25.300 for some sort of like, you know, catechism,

00:46:27.880 some sort of just religious law, you know?

00:46:30.520 And that didn't exist because it was not a,

00:46:32.860 you know, a revealed religion. It's not a religion of priests. It's a religion of culture.

00:46:39.240 The culture itself is religious. And so, like, you can even see that when you go back to, like,

00:46:44.840 the Hammurabi code, you know, when you see it, the reason why I cite that one specifically is

00:46:50.580 because there's an introduction to it, and he goes into, like, the religious, you know, divine

00:46:56.380 inspiration that he got from this and actually developed the, uh, the code because the gods

00:47:02.620 inspired him to do so because it, and then it goes into just like regular laws, you know,

00:47:08.660 just regular things not to do to people and how to live your life and all that stuff, because

00:47:12.000 these were cultural religions. And so this idea is that the, um, you know, when you're looking at

00:47:18.340 these laws and stuff like that in the law, the law codes that exist, we know that those law codes

00:47:23.760 we're heathen, like we know it, because we can make correlations between that and, you know,

00:47:29.220 things that are in the sources, the lore, the skaldic poetry, and all that stuff, and then

00:47:33.800 there's actually, you know, some of these Christian writers actually said, you know, we've taken this

00:47:38.620 from earlier heathen law, and so the thing is, is that, you know, you look at these things, and you

00:47:44.480 see that it just permeates, it's a part of everything, everything they touched, everything

00:47:49.380 that was part of them everything they thought it was their entire existence yeah the language is

00:47:55.160 interesting too you mentioned habarabi and stuff and it just reminded me of the other they did have

00:47:59.800 a kind of a recognition of the fact you can look at the ice age symbols right they that go back way

00:48:05.820 way way back but there was a recent story here and again i get the dating might be hard and it's if

00:48:11.840 or whatnot but uh at least the reuters piece they picked up on on the archaeological work and the

00:48:17.220 scholars that researched this, and they said somewhere around 40,000 years old Germanic

00:48:22.260 artifact may display written language precursors. So this idea that it's all, you know, kind of

00:48:27.220 from the Levant, and it's only that area where the first written language was developed, the Ur.

00:48:32.340 I mean, certainly from a cultural and religious, you know, kind of area, obviously it's important,

00:48:38.400 a lot of activity there, a lot of kind of things, but we don't know which direction this went.

00:48:42.460 Where is the womb of the nations, right?

00:48:44.900 And where did they migrate to?

00:48:46.680 What did they conquer?

00:48:47.540 Where did they go?

00:48:48.260 Was it a north to south movement?

00:48:50.360 Was it a east to west?

00:48:51.840 Was it a south to north movement?

00:48:54.120 That we don't know.

00:48:55.280 But things like this are very interesting to me.

00:48:59.120 And I love when these new finds comes out and kind of put things on its head and turn it upside down.

00:49:05.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:06.520 Well, yeah, they didn't have like little cartoon arrows that said we went this way.

00:49:11.380 Unfortunate. 0.99

00:49:11.740 Damn it. 0.98

00:49:12.460 you should have done it it'd be nice if they did so the written word it's it's interesting because 0.98

00:49:17.260 i talked actually yesterday about language and it was related to the ai discussion but

00:49:20.920 but the importance of language right because again that's the the runes and obviously there is a

00:49:25.660 a proto runic for sure similarity with a lot of the ancient civilizations and stuff like that too

00:49:31.120 there's there's there's something there right there's something with the understanding of

00:49:35.060 writing these things down that they're like magical talisman that they're you literally

00:49:41.140 spell right you cast a spell these kinds of things there there's there's something here

00:49:45.140 with the language that's very very very important and it's a it was a sacred um skill basically

00:49:52.200 right and and a sacred way of of yeah of passing things down because think of how much language

00:49:58.520 even to this day right can emote us it provokes us it can inspire us it can push us to different

00:50:04.880 things and so language in and of itself seems to be a central kind of point in terms of um of of

00:50:11.260 having religion around it having said that though it's not always about just writing it down because

00:50:15.300 our people i think they saw i want your take on that but i think they saw the the the stories and

00:50:21.320 and the myths and and the way that this was passed on as worldly as as important that it was it was

00:50:27.440 part of us we we are we are those stories we are the we are the ones who keep telling those stories

00:50:33.980 If we're not here to tell them, those stories are not worth to be told, right, kind of thing.

00:50:39.500 That there's this interesting thing that like, well, why didn't they write things down?

00:50:43.840 Well, they might have.

00:50:44.880 There's some evidence that they might have written on birch bark, right, early on.

00:50:50.820 That would be super quickly decomposed, these types of things.

00:50:54.180 And yes, it's somewhat later that they start, you know, carving into the rocks, at least in terms of the ruins.

00:50:58.360 But look at the, hey, look at the rock carvings, right, in Taundum and some of these other areas,

00:51:01.880 the bronze age uh neolithic bronze age and the nordic bronze age these go back thousands and

00:51:07.160 thousands of years and that's obviously a an early version of you know hieroglyphics as you

00:51:12.160 well of telling a story in pictographs right right yeah well and that's the thing is that

00:51:17.800 you know when we're looking at these inscriptions and we see it the it was the the ability to

00:51:23.340 interpret them that was seen as holy because if you go through like the rune data lists and you

00:51:28.980 see all of the inscriptions that you know these runic stones have a lot of them say you know this

00:51:35.680 guy interpreted the runes and so that ability to interpret was obviously something very important

00:51:41.460 it wasn't something that was just looked over like this guy could just do this you know um the ability

00:51:45.860 to read to understand symbols and use them to communicate was not something that was taken for

00:51:51.000 granted it was something that was seen as important and holy and and an important duty for people to

00:51:56.140 be able to do um and and we see this in all the other cultures as well i was uh fortunate to get

00:52:02.380 to go to a um a vietnamese uh folk festival one time and i was i was invited there and we were

00:52:09.160 like the only like white people there but they uh they they let us come there because i was telling

00:52:14.680 them you know what what we do and what we're about and all that stuff and they were like we really

00:52:18.300 appreciate that that's awesome and all that and when we were there there was literally a guy

00:52:22.240 his only job was to read these scrolls that were in like ancient vietnamese that no one could read

00:52:28.460 anymore and so you see that in folk cultures you see that in folk religions you see that

00:52:33.340 ability to interpret and read and understand these these forms become something that's like a sacred

00:52:40.080 duty yeah exactly no and it's law as well right how you organize your society same thing with

00:52:46.020 these uh standing stones and stuff like that these stones most likely they represented one tribe or

00:52:51.660 clan or family they all had a kind of a say at the at the tribal council right so that the the

00:52:57.640 religion as you said excuse me the religion is the way of life and the way of life is the the

00:53:02.440 religion or the spiritual tradition if you want to you know term it that way nothing it's not

00:53:06.740 separate or like well here's the academic like today right here's the academic portion here's

00:53:12.120 the function of society portion that the laws and the traditions are weaved into how you create

00:53:18.940 and make and maintain a functioning society in and of itself. 0.87

00:53:23.500 And that's why I think so much of the Anglo world

00:53:26.340 is inspired from pre-Christian traditions,

00:53:29.380 that these became law systems,

00:53:31.320 those became dominant over many areas of the world,

00:53:33.920 also for a reason, because they worked

00:53:36.700 and they've been tried and tested for such a long time.

00:53:39.780 Right, yeah.

00:53:40.640 And yeah, I think even the founding fathers,

00:53:43.180 like Thomas Jefferson talked about that,

00:53:44.640 You know, there was a sort of a development where people were trying to say, well, let's base America off of biblical law and mosaic law.

00:53:53.740 And they said, no, we're going to base this off of Anglo-Saxon law, which has been, you know, the history of, you know, the free world forever.

00:54:01.480 And that's what we have to base this on.

00:54:03.840 And thankfully they did because mosaic law would have been a disaster. 0.93

00:54:08.720 Well, you know what the Noahide laws? 0.95

00:54:10.480 Come on, bro.

00:54:11.080 was it who was it to put uh horst and posa on the it was one of the founding fathers wasn't it

00:54:18.600 yeah it was thomas jefferson was it jefferson yeah it was jefferson that's right exactly yeah

00:54:22.180 so he was like a little kind of hat a little nod there right to like in a previous previous that's

00:54:27.360 interesting you know um oh boy yeah there's a there's a lot to chew on here but yeah the the

00:54:31.980 that area is very interesting as we said we have uh the upokra temple or the temple there in upokra

00:54:38.960 So, of course, I've been on a path of just trying to find where Uppsala actually is,

00:54:44.460 because there's even a secondary layer to this.

00:54:47.560 I got really entrenched into Westgötaskolan, the Westro-Gothic school,

00:54:55.260 because they have a little bit of a different spin on it.

00:54:58.320 But I'm saying just to kind of make a point of the complexity also of the topic,

00:55:02.060 where these guys, they were not admitted into the mainstream university environment around Stockholm at the time.

00:55:11.540 So they were kind of seen as outsiders already.

00:55:13.840 I think it was when the Germans were doing some of their work, obviously, in the Nauti period,

00:55:19.940 and the Annanarbe kind of picked up on some of that research and basically kind of came to their own conclusion,

00:55:25.060 but found that there was parallels with the Gothic studies that some of those guys had done.

00:55:30.860 That's why for a while they said like, oh, the Western Gothic school, that's like associated with like national socialism.

00:55:36.340 So that's kind of bad or whatever.

00:55:37.940 But they had this interesting thing of, again, looking at place names and stuff like that.

00:55:41.880 There was a certain portion when Swedish royalty, they ended up changing the names of cities in order to take a mythological story that is said to have happened to this region and basically transplant it from where I believe it actually happened to this new area.

00:55:57.400 There's like layers like this that get really complex.

00:56:00.000 And I started looking into Uppsala itself, right?

00:56:02.240 Because that's, again, every nine years, there's a big blute.

00:56:05.560 All the Germanic tribes went there.

00:56:07.060 Obviously, this is an important and sacred area.

00:56:09.880 And I think there's, what is it, at least 80, maybe 200, even 100 place names in Sweden that have some version of Uppsala in them, for example, right?

00:56:16.900 So there's this massive, complex picture here.

00:56:21.020 But the Gothic thing is very interesting to me, too.

00:56:23.040 I think there's history here where we're going to find a lot more

00:56:28.880 and we're going to dig into this a lot more and discover things

00:56:32.540 and piece it together as we go forward.

00:56:34.800 I don't know if you heard about that, but there was places in,

00:56:38.180 I forget if that was not the Gothic parts of Sweden, though,

00:56:40.640 but they had been looted that the, what do you call them,

00:56:45.200 the Society for Heritage, I guess, the Ministry for Culture,

00:56:50.700 they're not doing like proper investigations or archaeological work at some of these mounds for

00:56:57.100 example some of the big burial mounds and there's people going out and actually digging into these

00:57:02.640 things there's no security there we don't know what's lost there were some archaeologist that

00:57:06.520 was like basically crying being interviewed and saying we don't know what they took there was

00:57:09.940 like 30 holes dug or something like that and those are some of the things that like really spooks me 0.95

00:57:13.880 like shit we get like we got to move to get our like to defend these areas to defend these places 0.93

00:57:19.920 and these sites and ensure that they're not looted further. 0.99

00:57:24.220 You know what I mean?

00:57:24.600 It's something that worries me, yeah?

00:57:26.740 Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:27.940 I mean, there's actually websites that you can go on to.

00:57:33.880 I'm trying to remember the name of them,

00:57:35.220 but there's some where you can go and you will find,

00:57:38.420 because like a lot of museums,

00:57:40.020 they don't pick like all of the archaeological artifacts

00:57:43.980 that they discover.

00:57:44.940 They have to be like absolutely perfect,

00:57:46.640 absolutely pristine for display.

00:57:48.580 so they'll auction off um the other ones that they found so we can actually auction and start

00:57:54.580 to do this i i went to go do it but like it was a big bureaucratic process and i got tired of it

00:57:59.920 but the uh but we can rescue a lot of these artifacts ourselves we can go on there and

00:58:06.980 start auctioning for them pay money for them put them up somewhere set up our own museums if we can

00:58:10.900 you know i mean the the idea for what i'm trying to do always is to try to preserve as much of our

00:58:16.840 culture and our heritage as possible to try to save our civilization from apathy and decay and

00:58:23.200 then trying to you know see what we can do to save our own you know faith and our ancestry and

00:58:29.440 all that stuff because you know i i've been to europe and when i go there and i see some of

00:58:34.520 these cities and ruins these ancient cities like uh like delos and rome and athens and all this

00:58:39.480 stuff just ruins everywhere i mean they just basically turned it all into like a big trash dump

00:58:44.340 you know it's it's beautiful trash because it's marble but it's still like it's just ruined

00:58:50.800 because these people are like looking at jerusalem as the sacred land they're looking at this other

00:58:55.340 place that has nothing to do with this as the sacred land and it's like we need to hold these

00:58:59.940 things and and hold them up and and cherish them and and worship them again and see them as something

00:59:06.000 that's important to us because then we can preserve them and protect them and even rebuild

00:59:10.680 them and reconstruct them we should be doing that i know our ancestors didn't sit around like

00:59:14.840 finding a a destroyed building and saying let's just you know keep that the way it is no they

00:59:19.960 would rebuild it they would fix it they would make it you know better again and they would and that's

00:59:24.120 what i think we should be doing i think that we should be rebuilding this stuff so that as more

00:59:29.240 you know european people become more ethnocentric and more european people become more focused on

00:59:34.920 what their heritage is and who they are as a people and start to kind of reclaim their identity

00:59:40.040 then they can say, hey, it's about the land,

00:59:42.880 it's about the people, it's about the history,

00:59:44.500 the culture, it's about all of it.

00:59:46.140 And so you can't just, you know,

00:59:47.860 raise up one and denigrate the other.

00:59:49.800 Like, this is who we are, and this is what we're about.

00:59:53.160 Yeah, this should inspire people,

00:59:56.500 it should get them out of that rut of,

00:59:58.380 yeah, as you said, complacency,

01:00:01.560 depression, meaninglessness,

01:00:03.540 like all these things that the modern world

01:00:05.020 is plagued by, right?

01:00:06.780 And I felt very much the same thing

01:00:08.820 when I started looking into these things,

01:00:10.040 Like, here's meaning and something, you know, just, I don't know, there's a sense of something that goes beyond yourself when you learn these stories and you learn the people that walk the same earth and the soil that you did at one point.

01:00:24.700 And, I mean, their blood is literally in the soil itself, right?

01:00:28.280 That's where they died.

01:00:29.500 It's become part of them, and we're part of them.

01:00:31.700 It's very exciting.

01:00:32.520 but here's a story about the uh and this is onens onens hug that's right i forgot first which which

01:00:38.820 burial amount it was but they have this view right like well we gotta we gotta secure and

01:00:44.080 protect it for the future and it's like okay sure that's great but now due to the fact that you

01:00:50.480 didn't find out you didn't do any digs you didn't you know now someone has plundered it and and who

01:00:56.300 knows what they took what they found and things will never find out this is in my view it's like

01:01:00.340 a catastrophe it's like a building you can rebuild and stuff but these things you can't you know you

01:01:05.780 can't right this is vital to this issue so we should push for like as you said as as as our

01:01:10.740 countries do get more uh ethnocentric nationalistic again we're leaning towards like actually standing

01:01:17.160 up for ourselves um these are some of the things that needs to be pushed real hard as well the

01:01:21.740 cultural aspect reviving these things learning about them studying them understanding them

01:01:27.020 and incorporating them into who we are.

01:01:30.160 And I think a lot of people will find meaning in that.

01:01:34.080 They will find a spiritual gratification in that,

01:01:37.600 which the modern world obviously lacks.

01:01:39.680 And again, that's one of the reasons why there is a kind of a revival

01:01:42.640 of spiritual traditions.

01:01:45.620 Christianity, certainly, I think, is going through kind of a burst

01:01:49.480 of people looking for it, looking for something.

01:01:54.000 They're looking for tradition.

01:01:55.080 They think that, like, well, here I can go to, like, get something that's more, you know, anchored in the past and tradition, essentially.

01:02:03.320 Of course, my view is, like, you're not really going to get it there, obviously, right?

01:02:06.760 But still, the fact that they're trying or the fact that people are searching, I think that's a good instinct that we can work with, if that makes sense.

01:02:16.320 absolutely and and i support you know um christians reclaiming their faith and you know

01:02:23.260 building themselves back up and strengthening themselves for the sake of western civilization

01:02:28.200 i think that christians need to break away from this sort of uh false narrative that they've been

01:02:34.400 fed since the 50s and 60s that they're all supposed to be a bunch of hippies and they're

01:02:38.120 supposed to you know just be kept a nice guy and turn the other cheek and all that stuff and

01:02:42.260 that was never a part of christian history in all of history it's like all all up until then

01:02:47.500 you know they sit there everybody complains about you know the brutality of it all but then like

01:02:51.980 when it comes down to it today they're like oh no we all we do is turn the cheek and turn the

01:02:56.280 other cheek and it's like that's that's not that you know and like we have to stand up for western

01:03:01.280 civilization and i'm going to ally with anybody who's willing to do that um i believe that my

01:03:06.280 faith is sort of a line in the sand with a lot of this stuff it's a line in the sand where it's

01:03:11.820 you know this is us and it's only us and i don't have you know a holy book that has heroes from

01:03:17.900 another people uh in it you know and and that's that's why i choose to follow what i choose what

01:03:23.340 i follow and i'm not you know here denigrating anybody else for what they're doing but um i do

01:03:28.860 believe that this this fight has to be something that we all embrace together and you can see this

01:03:35.340 like i because like i said i've been to europe and i went to rome and i was getting a tour through

01:03:40.780 the you know the vatican and through um the the forum and stuff like that and they were talking

01:03:46.620 about there was the uh the period you know a lot of people push the idea that there was this you

01:03:51.340 know long lasting tradition of christians like destroying statues and and and hurting the history

01:03:58.220 but they said that that period only lasted like 10 years which is a long time they could do a lot

01:04:02.540 of damage in that time but after that they um the people stepped up and said no this is part of who

01:04:09.740 who we are. This is our culture. This is our history. This is where we come from. So we're

01:04:13.460 going to preserve this and protect that. And so a lot of that still stays there in Rome because of

01:04:18.760 that, you know, very idea. So it is a very strong tradition in the Christian faith to preserve

01:04:23.140 that heritage and that history and that understanding of where they came from.

01:04:28.540 And so, you know, I simply, I worship the gods of my people. I worship, you know, the ancestral

01:04:34.720 traditions i practice in that form i try to reach as authentic a state of that because i believe that

01:04:42.800 there is a religious form to this and i believe that new ageism has done a great disservice to

01:04:50.000 it and created a lot of chaos and you know misunderstanding and misinformation about it

01:04:55.580 and that's that to me has been the most harmful because i've seen it you know and i think that

01:05:00.240 it just comes from a lot of the idea of this sort of libertarian worldview where everybody gets to

01:05:05.480 do whatever they want and it's just sort of a feeding of degeneracy and i don't want to see

01:05:10.300 that and i know that's not a part of this religion i know that's not where this comes from i know

01:05:14.000 that a lot of that is actual christian propaganda that came from the early days and we've broken

01:05:18.960 that down in certain areas as well and this is holy it does have a sacredness to it it has

01:05:24.860 you know a history to it it has a cultural connection to it and there's a lot of different

01:05:30.400 aspects to this that really just feeds into who we are as a people yeah yeah exactly that's

01:05:36.480 interesting i didn't hear that about uh rome before that they said that it only lasted for

01:05:40.960 a short period well that's good at least like but there's so much discussion you know destruction

01:05:46.540 it's a waves and waves of these like you know basically cultural revolutions right even even

01:05:52.000 In early Christianity, it was a radical new sect,

01:05:56.380 a new way of looking at things, right?

01:05:57.840 It was even called The Way.

01:05:59.580 I don't think it was called The New Way,

01:06:00.800 but it was called The Way in the beginning.

01:06:02.280 I've been digging into that too.

01:06:04.220 And I did a recent, I mean, it was a deep dive,

01:06:07.900 but actually learning more about the Canaanites,

01:06:12.100 which was kind of interesting because I found this one place

01:06:14.540 where they're said to have occupied for a long time

01:06:19.600 before the israelites you know apparently according to their version of history uh you know

01:06:24.160 sacked them and kicked them out but it's called gezer you know and it was like this

01:06:27.880 these standing stones and it reminded something of like karnak or you know anywhere in europe

01:06:33.060 essentially right that there's like wow and not too far from there you have sites like gubleki

01:06:37.640 tepe obviously like there's a there's an ancient incursion of a people into those areas as well

01:06:42.080 that that that the the entire world the whole area all of it is pagan like human civilization

01:06:47.940 the root core of that its traditions and its cultures are pagan and it was a very new radical

01:06:54.840 way that came in uh to um to try at least to kind of cleanse that and to do in it do it in a in a

01:07:01.780 in a different way but it's a it's a fascinating history um because you realize that these monuments

01:07:06.580 and these old ways of doing things are you know scattered all throughout both the mid-east but

01:07:12.280 all throughout europe as well and there's i think there's that points to a common bond there again

01:07:17.580 which which direction did we come from do we come from you know azerbaijan the iranian plateau is it

01:07:23.400 the pontic step or is it germany or that area who knows right and and that has to reveal itself but

01:07:28.860 we get my point is we can find commonalities and you realize that these people existed in in large

01:07:33.960 swaths all over the world four or five thousand years ago they built some of these things it's

01:07:37.720 incredible you know yeah absolutely absolutely and and as we're looking at the history of it

01:07:43.780 we're appreciating it more and more we can start to see a lot of that connection that we have you

01:07:48.580 know one of the things that i did uh i went to rome and when i went to the vatican and like if you

01:07:53.780 want to see the largest collection of pagan art in the world go there like literally there's probably

01:07:58.500 more pagan art in the vatican than there was christian art you know there's just like huge

01:08:03.620 halls just careful the protestants will use that as the gotcha the protestant will use that as a

01:08:07.780 gotcha be careful now i'm just joking see that's why i was just well i was blown away and then

01:08:13.920 like there was this one thing where like when you go through rome and athens and all these

01:08:18.500 different areas you see these pine cones all over the place and they're like they're on orthodox

01:08:23.020 churches they're on catholic churches and i was like what's up with the pine cone they're even

01:08:27.120 on the staff of the pope but they actually has a pine cone on its rod or whatever right

01:08:31.260 yeah yeah and like in in the courtyard of the vatican there's this huge one like it's like

01:08:36.300 10 feet tall and like you know five six feet wide it's massive right and it um and i asked the guy

01:08:42.060 like what is the what is the pine cone they said oh that was a symbol of dionysus we just brought

01:08:46.620 it here and put it down there and i was like yeah and then i saw a um oh yeah that's that's the exact

01:08:54.620 one and then the the the very word vatican itself means that it was like an ancient oracle like an

01:09:01.740 ancient pagan oracle and it was like uh which meant like the the area of the vatae which were

01:09:07.100 like these ancient seers and stuff and then of course you have pontificus maximus which

01:09:11.660 was just the title of the the high priest of pagan rome and it just passed on to the pope

01:09:17.340 and so it's like this history is a part of this and it's all connected to it and it

01:09:21.740 and it has a very you know intertwined um symbols and ideas and things like that now as far as like

01:09:29.260 you know my faith goes and what i'm looking at what i'm trying to build is just an understanding

01:09:34.060 of where our ancestors came from because that to me in itself is sacred because of the concept

01:09:39.820 like you were talking about uh christians uh calling themselves the new way right like even

01:09:44.140 in the the scandinavia they called it uh nisi there which is the the opposite of foreign ferns

01:09:50.780 is ancient past in the you know yeah right right right and and that may and somebody brought the

01:09:55.740 the point up to me where um you know they said that that might have been part of the propaganda

01:10:00.780 too the idea you know kind of like when you see mal talk about the five olds you know it's like

01:10:05.900 this is the old man way that's the bad way like the old only old boring people worship this and

01:10:11.260 believe in this anymore and we have the new way and it's exciting and you should follow it and all

01:10:15.660 that yeah the looking at the new man is like one of these recurring themes we got to create a new

01:10:21.340 man a new vision a new you know re a redo talk about you know obviously popularized but they're

01:10:26.440 the world economic forum of the covet stuff but like the great reset like yeah we've had i mean

01:10:30.840 even the year it's down to zero literally like let's talk about pressing the button here's a

01:10:34.780 new way we it's a new way we're gonna sell this to you know um i saw one because i was even looking

01:10:41.400 into you know because again um i certainly have my uh critiques of the uh the hebrew bible

01:10:46.620 and the people that wrote that and what they claimed to happen or stuff like that.

01:10:52.320 But this idea of Zion, this is the most important religious center in the world.

01:10:58.240 I was looking into the word Zion.

01:11:01.080 I mean, signpost or a place, basically like a sacred mountain.

01:11:06.600 I mean, Mount Moria is right there, and then you have Mount Zion.

01:11:08.900 They're kind of closely related.

01:11:10.100 They're right there in terms of where they build their temple.

01:11:12.100 But I was looking into it because I was aware of the politics at the time,

01:11:15.840 Especially after the destruction of the, well, definitely the second temple.

01:11:22.360 But the fact that these people who wrote the Bible, and specifically now I'm talking about the Old Testament,

01:11:29.240 they were in competition with Hellenistic belief systems, Egyptian belief systems.

01:11:34.260 They were entrenched all around them.

01:11:36.260 There was all these other ancient civilizations that had high cultures, very important religions,

01:11:41.420 and a lot of them were like afraid of being basically dissolved

01:11:44.920 under Hellenistic influence or Egyptian influence or whatever.

01:11:48.940 But this idea that it was like we need a place that's our sacred rock,

01:11:52.920 our sacred mountain kind of thing.

01:11:54.780 I just learned that Athens, the Acropolis,

01:11:57.820 is one of the terms for it is the sacred rock.

01:12:00.860 I'm not even sure if you, I'd never heard it before.

01:12:02.500 It was like one of those things like, yeah, of course it was, right?

01:12:04.520 The Acropolis of Athens often is called the sacred rock

01:12:07.280 and it has that same thing.

01:12:08.700 It's always an elevated place, right?

01:12:11.140 A high up, that's where they build a temple or a site to the gods or something like that, right?

01:12:20.060 And this is just fascinating to me.

01:12:22.140 And this goes back, well, who knows, probably maybe a few thousand years before they claimed that they did their stuff in Canaan.

01:12:29.300 you know i don't know it's just they caught well my point is the it's there's validity to it because

01:12:35.580 there are records in there from from their biblical account that correlates with other

01:12:40.900 things that happen in the ancient world they took things they were inspired by things they

01:12:44.480 copied things and even claimed it as their own so it's not that you have to kind of throw all

01:12:49.320 of it out there's it's an interesting study there for sure but the main line is that you get to see

01:12:53.900 the the politics of the time and the politics of the era of where they were in competition like

01:12:59.240 theological competition with some of these other groups and they wanted to like have their own

01:13:04.060 version of what they saw that hellenistic greece had or even rome or egypt you know i mean so for

01:13:10.720 me to find this was like oh of course you know that that makes sense of course that's a sacred

01:13:14.820 rock that's the sacred place of our people right there in athens you know yeah absolutely well the

01:13:19.940 idea of elevated sacred space spaces is seen everywhere you know i mean you know you think

01:13:26.200 of like olympus is way up on mountain olympus and i i went to the island of delos uh near mykonos

01:13:32.020 in greece and you know there's like this sacred pathway and there's like 11 temples on there and

01:13:36.400 you have to go up this uh this hill when you get up to the top of the hill there the temple of

01:13:40.920 zeus is overlooking everything you know and then you think of like the words oops these are it

01:13:47.060 means the upper the higher the upper hall oops all right yeah the upper hall and and and again

01:13:52.120 When me and my brother were out, we were trying to piece some of this together.

01:13:56.640 We read the Western Gothic school guys.

01:13:58.640 We read the other stuff about kind of mainstream about Uppsala or whatever.

01:14:02.440 But the places we found, there was literally like, this place is called Uppsala.

01:14:06.420 It's a huge, important topography, right?

01:14:10.980 It's a mountain that rises out of the landscape.

01:14:13.960 And it's fairly flat, you know, Western Gothic areas.

01:14:16.000 People don't think about that.

01:14:16.720 It's not like Norwegian, you know, fjords and mountains in that particular area.

01:14:20.300 so it's very you know flat and then all of a sudden you have this elevated mountain and you

01:14:24.900 could as you look at it just due to the fact that it was like a strategic important place where you

01:14:30.220 can defend yourself from you know all these things right this goes way back what what the reason is

01:14:35.560 that it's it's literally kind of up in the heavens but it's an easy defendable position um it all

01:14:41.740 makes sense and there's a one place we found a shinne kudle which an interesting name uh related

01:14:46.700 The word kin or kind, Kine, Kulle, Kulle means hill or mountain, and kin is like your kin, right?

01:14:53.940 What kind are you, right?

01:14:55.720 In German, children is kin or kinder.

01:14:59.560 So the ancestral mound, the ancestral hill, basically.

01:15:02.680 But it has levels on it, and one of them is called the middle hall and the upper hall, right?

01:15:07.960 And it's also the area where you literally would see the sun rise, Ab-Ub-Sula, where the sun rises up, right?

01:15:13.820 So there's all these interesting etymological connections, but a lot of it has to do with the geography of the landscape itself, that the land is sacred, and areas and places where you would literally have a better chance of surviving, obviously, makes sense, right, over time would develop as literal sacred areas that you need to protect and hold, you know?

01:15:33.840 right well and then like um what we were talking about earlier about helgeland um uh the there's

01:15:41.340 several places i've looked at that are called that and i i don't i think i pinpointed the one

01:15:46.240 that adam abrimen is actually describing but um in it he just describes that you know it's basically

01:15:51.880 the place where the polar night evens out like the most so i think it's it was like nine days

01:15:57.000 of of sun in the summertime and nine nights in the wintertime or something like that and like

01:16:02.060 that's why it was considered so sacred because of that and you know and he was like call them

01:16:06.280 superstitious or whatever but the um but the thing is is that we see that there is a connection to

01:16:11.800 like you know to things happening in the atmosphere um with the stars and the heavens and all that and

01:16:17.460 we see things that are sacred in the land and this whole connection to nature itself and the idea of

01:16:22.960 this being holy has these correlations between all of these different things like we know that

01:16:27.740 the polar night is likely the origin of yule right and that that that's what they were celebrating

01:16:33.520 originally and then it later gets uh solidified as a calendar and uh and then we we know that

01:16:39.620 these sort of um events that happen in the heavens they correlate to events that happen on earth as

01:16:46.020 well and then when you're looking at this sort of uh symbiosis between the people and the land and

01:16:51.900 the heavens and the gods and the culture and all these different things that sort of you know form

01:16:56.420 this holistic environment then everything becomes different you know and it it also it also means

01:17:03.140 that people are more willing to defend what this is you know this this idea that we just create

01:17:11.340 something universal it's for everybody and all that stuff and i've always believed that that

01:17:14.880 stuff's just a scam for corporations to you know to open up markets and make more money but the uh

01:17:20.500 the thing is is that the you know the idea is having something that you preserve and you protect

01:17:25.860 and you guard means that you have to not be apathetic towards it and you're definitely

01:17:30.780 going to be apathetic towards it if you're looking at some foreign land as the holy land or the

01:17:35.600 sacred land for your people which it's not yeah exactly yeah i mean you mentioned whole or holy

01:17:41.780 or you know that word again there's a number of place names i'm thinking back of like oh yeah

01:17:46.600 that's right there was literally a viking burial field in one of these areas called hall h o l

01:17:51.940 right holy or whole so many place names and things like that and you realize that it's like you can

01:17:56.480 almost find a you can find a trail through the landscape right um or you see certain place names

01:18:02.800 up in northern europe that then gets replicated down in you know southern parts of germany or

01:18:07.320 something as probably those tribes moved out of those areas like take a um rugi for example it's

01:18:13.720 a common one right a rugi land i think they ended up calling it in germany uh believed to come from

01:18:19.320 maybe the fact that they were actually domesticating rye up in in norway and the rugi

01:18:25.260 later on migrates further down south and they set shop up there too um so you have echoes all

01:18:31.960 throughout the landscape it tells you about the the the ships if it was a harbor if it was close

01:18:37.600 to the water or to the ocean it tells you you know it's it's a it's a living cultural memory

01:18:43.020 in the place names itself that's the best i can describe it you know right well and you also see

01:18:48.380 you know when you're going even further and deeper into something that's like very sacred

01:18:52.420 something that's you're completely like sanctified and and and connected it is made inviolate um for

01:18:58.980 the gods then there's like all kinds of rules and things like that we see like in a land normal book

01:19:03.520 they talk about like you you're not allowed to use the restroom in some area that's been sanctified

01:19:08.600 and made holy and like in the story one guy does this and they end up executing the guy

01:19:14.100 they take down the entire temple they move it to another area i mean imagine how much that like

01:19:18.940 takes you know you have this whole building here and because this guy took a leak in the area

01:19:23.900 you have to move everything you know no wonder they executed sacrifice him he's not worth having

01:19:30.460 around that guy that's your selection pressure right there you just did this you know take a 0.97

01:19:36.040 piss at the temple you're out that's it that's it oh that's funny oh man um all right so what else

01:19:43.100 Again, I think this has been a really good discussion. 0.97

01:19:46.120 I've been enjoying this.

01:19:47.060 It was a pleasure having you on.

01:19:48.220 It was a pleasure talking about these things.

01:19:50.640 I've got such a kick out of it.

01:19:52.000 I hope the audience, you guys watching, do as well.

01:19:55.040 What else do you want to talk about when it comes to your book?

01:19:58.060 What else is in there?

01:19:59.060 What are some of the messages that we haven't conveyed yet, I guess?

01:20:03.300 Well, some of the changes that we did, like I said,

01:20:06.360 we're trying to put everything on a solid foundation.

01:20:08.760 you know like um and and even with the law like when we put up the austroetta we had the rune

01:20:13.720 law and that was really just taking the themes of each rune and uh and correlating them to what we

01:20:18.680 had an idea of law was and things from the lore but even then that's that's just you know it was

01:20:23.160 made up it was trying to like figure it out and and make these correspondences just to see if we

01:20:27.800 had a law because we we get you kind of start with this idea and and we we as we delve more into this

01:20:35.000 the the falsehood that we kind of broke through was the idea that we don't have enough information

01:20:39.880 and like i think that the nornist society has proven that to be unequivocally false

01:20:44.360 like we have enough information we can have a religion from this right and and like that's

01:20:49.720 like when i was starting all this i had that and i said okay well we have to just kind of

01:20:53.400 piece things together and figure things out and fix it here and repair it there and all that but

01:20:57.640 then as we continue to deep dive and deep dive it's like no we have this we can do this and so

01:21:02.120 like one of the things like the the rune law was replaced with the actual avon logger which is

01:21:06.440 the laws themselves that was built up from looking at all the ancient germanic codes and then seeing

01:21:12.200 which one well we will lose them

01:21:24.920 maybe hey there can you hear me yeah i'm here all right all right freeze up yep i think we're back

01:21:30.280 okay go ahead we lost you there for all right 10 seconds so uh yeah so the the thing was is that we

01:21:36.040 had the rune law in there and it was just sort of correlating these ideas because you know we start

01:21:41.400 with this you know when i first started doing this and i started putting all this stuff together

01:21:46.280 one of the falsehoods that we kind of had to overcome was the idea that we don't have enough

01:21:51.160 information you know yeah that the information is just lost and that we we can't do this and i think

01:21:57.000 that we have proven without a shadow of a doubt that that is just not true that we do have enough

01:22:02.360 information that we can rebuild this and we can rebuild every single facet of it because we have

01:22:07.320 like this is pretty much the the completion of our reconstruction and so like we have the lore we

01:22:13.240 have the law we have the rituals we have organizational structure we have philosophy

01:22:17.400 we have all of these different aspects that we're going to be putting together in this study and

01:22:20.520 doctrine series that's going to be all of our books in one collection and it's going to show

01:22:25.000 you that this information is there that we can reconstruct this and we have done this and so we

01:22:30.680 put the ava logger in there which was the the laws you know looking at the ancient germanic codes

01:22:35.640 the law codes themselves seeing where they all correlate where they have correspondences and then

01:22:40.200 seeing where they correspond to the lore themselves the eddas and all that and then i'm trying to

01:22:45.320 understand you know exactly how they all fit together and sort of looking at like a proto

01:22:50.840 law system from this you know like what would have been the core like you know what is what is

01:22:55.960 exactly what may have been passed down and became like the localized interpretations of these laws

01:23:03.160 and so that's what we did and so it's more you know actually connected to germanic law codes

01:23:08.280 and it's actually a part of that and so that that's a big part of it as well we also added

01:23:13.320 some of the poems in the poetic etta that weren't in there before like grim nismal is added in and

01:23:18.360 And I think Skrnismal we added, or I can't remember.

01:23:23.140 But there was just like several of the poems that weren't there.

01:23:25.280 We're just trying to make it complete, making it whole.

01:23:28.060 And, you know, and once we start looking at these other poems,

01:23:30.780 like Grimnismal, you have the framework of it.

01:23:33.320 You have to figure out where does it fit?

01:23:35.180 You know, where does it fit in the epic?

01:23:36.780 And that's where it's the most fun.

01:23:38.540 Like, I really enjoyed that part of it.

01:23:40.220 Like, there was a part when I was originally doing the Austrietta,

01:23:43.980 and I'm looking at Rydbert's work

01:23:45.920 and trying to understand what

01:23:48.020 he was doing

01:23:48.860 there's a section in his second

01:23:52.160 volume of his investigations

01:23:53.820 into Germanic mythology where he

01:23:56.080 lays out the epic

01:23:57.900 order, right, each episode

01:23:59.860 and he breaks it down, right

01:24:01.640 and we found a lot of holes in that, I found a lot of

01:24:03.860 problems with it and all that stuff, so what I did

01:24:05.700 was I took post-it notes and I covered

01:24:07.900 an entire wall in these post-it

01:24:09.880 notes and each one had an

01:24:11.780 episode's name written on it

01:24:13.460 you know, like the, you know, Skadi coming to the gods and the, you know, Baldur's death,

01:24:18.300 all this was written on these post-it notes. And I would just sit there and think of like,

01:24:22.780 well, this guy's dead over here, so he can't be here. This guy's over here, that's there.

01:24:26.460 So you had to just constantly move things around. So there was no contradictions,

01:24:30.220 there was no discrepancies in the epic order, and everything laid out perfectly, right? And so once

01:24:35.880 these new poems and things come in, not, they're not new, obviously, they're from the poetic edda,

01:24:39.800 But the things that we didn't have before, I had to sit there and work out, you know, where does this fit?

01:24:45.520 Where does it go into the epic timeline?

01:24:47.580 And I think we did pretty good on it.

01:24:48.860 I think that it's, you know, it's something that I think people are going to enjoy.

01:24:52.380 And so far, I mean, people have really bounced on it.

01:24:55.060 I got really excited because there was one day where there was a new translation of the Bible and we actually outsold it.

01:25:01.940 So I was like, we outsold the Bible.

01:25:05.840 Mission accomplished. 0.97

01:25:06.920 There you go.

01:25:07.640 Yes, yes.

01:25:08.280 It's for five seconds.

01:25:09.800 there you go yeah victor rydberg yeah i mean i remember walking by his um statue in gothenburg

01:25:15.900 many times uh and it's funny afterwards you you learn about some of these greats right you don't 0.82

01:25:21.220 think of it at the time you don't give a shit and then later on it's like oh yeah that's that guy 0.60

01:25:25.260 that's right i remember that i remember that statue um yeah cool yeah i wrote the topton 0.92

01:25:29.800 which was the uh you know the christmas story their christmas pole yeah yeah rydberg wrote

01:25:37.260 that one yeah yeah um yeah was it just called tomton was that what it was called was that the

01:25:42.480 title of it yeah yeah uh no he did a lot of good stuff he's uh he's uh he's uh has a lot of

01:25:48.200 interesting here's one of the titles there too fad and us guda saga the ancestors god stories or

01:25:54.420 you know i think everyone even the english speakers know about saga is right um but yeah he did a lot

01:25:59.560 of good stuff so have you you've poured through most of his work then and uh gone through it all

01:26:05.720 and like everything yeah devoured it like you you you don't understand the obsession

01:26:11.760 it's like not just poured through like read every line looked at variants of it uh my friend

01:26:18.900 william reeves he uh he is a he he's always you know examining his work and looking at every

01:26:24.960 single thing that he put together and we don't follow it blindly you know some people have

01:26:28.840 excuses of that saying that we just follow his work it's it's not his the the theories behind

01:26:33.700 what he's doing it's the method that's the most important to us we do know that he made a lot of

01:26:38.100 errors when it came to like scaldic poetry his timeline was not perfected there was a lot of

01:26:43.300 different discrepancies and problems we're actually his like greatest critics because

01:26:47.420 we've actually gone through and examined every single thing that he wrote and looked at it line

01:26:51.840 by line and figured out how we could improve it make it better and so that's how this really

01:26:57.020 develops yeah no exactly that is true uh all right awesome so you're doing anything for i'm

01:27:03.460 I'm not sure, Beltane, Summer's Eve, right?

01:27:07.460 So we're doing a little bit of a bonfire here, you know, today,

01:27:11.560 hopefully a sizable one as well.

01:27:13.680 Don't have any face masks, though.

01:27:15.020 That's one thing that was apparently very common, right?

01:27:18.760 You dress up.

01:27:20.020 Sometimes you jump over the fire, you do these kinds of things,

01:27:22.860 different ceremonies around the idea.

01:27:24.680 But I appreciate the functionality that's weaved into it as well,

01:27:29.980 that the spiritual tradition is just not some haphazardly thing, I guess,

01:27:36.780 that you come up with because, I don't know, we said so.

01:27:41.340 It's a function within it where you literally clean up everything around you,

01:27:46.460 your land, your property, where you're going to farm and plant new seeds,

01:27:50.980 all the twigs and the branches and everything.

01:27:52.740 You pull everything together and you burn it as a big beacon of appreciation

01:27:58.540 for the fact that you survived another harsh winter

01:28:00.900 and you're venerating the fact that you're alive

01:28:04.980 and we give back and we're part of a system

01:28:07.700 that we rely on and we wouldn't be here without it, right?

01:28:12.540 There's gifts you give back to nature,

01:28:15.420 to the gods, right?

01:28:16.380 An appreciation, mutual respect.

01:28:19.920 You fear nature in one way, right?

01:28:22.620 You can take your life like that if you don't respect it,

01:28:24.900 but then at the same time, it gives us so much.

01:28:28.400 It gives us so much life, right?

01:28:30.040 So the function within the spiritual tradition

01:28:32.000 is something that I appreciate,

01:28:33.040 that it's not some metaphor or some concept

01:28:37.660 that isn't anchored in anything that's real,

01:28:42.520 that's observable,

01:28:44.200 that carries a function for how you run society, you know?

01:28:49.060 Right, exactly.

01:28:51.160 So are you doing anything,

01:28:52.240 or do you usually do a bonfire?

01:28:54.060 Well, the thing is, like I said,

01:28:56.560 um we i just got back uh from south dakota and we just had a big celebration there and so that's

01:29:03.600 that was pretty much what i do for this time of year um looking at the mystery calendar and all

01:29:08.960 that and i do see the correlation between that summer mall is definitely connected to those may

01:29:13.120 festivals and you know valpergus knocked and all that stuff and it just sort of you know that this

01:29:18.400 is like the earlier the earlier incarnation of that and so that that was a part we had a beautiful

01:29:23.120 bloat beautiful festival a lot of great people are really there's more and more one thing i want to

01:29:28.560 let everybody know like if you're heathen or you're listening to this right now we have more

01:29:32.400 and more great people that are getting involved in this stuff hard-working people decent people

01:29:38.080 we don't really allow like drunkenness at any of our festivals everybody's just like families and

01:29:42.320 they're having a good time and they're enjoying this celebration of the gods and how they um you

01:29:47.360 know sort of correlate to our lives and you know we're having games and and like we did like tug

01:29:52.240 of war throwing spears um you know we did a little bit of jujitsu it was just so much fun you know

01:29:58.760 and these things are getting better and better because we're coming together as a community

01:30:03.100 and really building something great awesome i'm glad to hear it yeah norena.org there norena

01:30:09.380 society um guys there's a telegram here if you want to follow that as well uh norena society

01:30:15.300 What's the URL?

01:30:16.360 Oh, it's The Norena Society.

01:30:18.320 And it's N-O-R-R-O-E-A, right? 1.00

01:30:22.620 N-A Society. 0.98

01:30:23.500 O-E-N-A. 1.00

01:30:24.200 I'm going to spell that right. 0.92

01:30:25.360 Exactly.

01:30:25.760 There you go.

01:30:27.420 Because that character in the middle there,

01:30:29.660 that you can't do on the Telegram channel, unfortunately.

01:30:32.520 That's Telegram.

01:30:33.580 And, of course, you have the website, as we said, right there.

01:30:36.320 And then here's the book as well.

01:30:37.960 Aldrun.

01:30:38.400 It's out right now.

01:30:41.880 There's a hardcover.

01:30:42.900 Is there plans for paperback or anything like that?

01:30:45.520 Or do you like it hardcover?

01:30:47.720 Yeah, we're going to do all of it.

01:30:49.080 We're going to do hardcover.

01:30:50.780 We're going to do e-book.

01:30:52.160 We're going to do audio book.

01:30:53.940 I really try to reach every avenue with this.

01:30:58.360 Good.

01:30:58.780 I'm glad to hear it.

01:31:00.160 Awesome, guys.

01:31:00.840 So, yeah, pick this up.

01:31:01.800 Pick up a copy of this.

01:31:02.880 Support their work.

01:31:03.500 They're doing great work.

01:31:04.460 And, again, it's an index from soup to nuts.

01:31:08.260 You get it all in here, you know, from the beginning to the end type of thing, right?

01:31:12.900 So if you're interested in these concepts,

01:31:14.820 I was looking through the index earlier as well,

01:31:16.700 you can find one,

01:31:19.660 whatever you want to learn more about, essentially.

01:31:22.740 Look at the chapter headings in the beginning

01:31:24.220 and you can find it.

01:31:25.040 It's like, oh, I want to know more about the Aesir.

01:31:27.020 I want to know more about Jarl, the concept of Jarl.

01:31:29.320 I want to know more about Asgard, whatever it is.

01:31:32.540 You can find that in the book.

01:31:33.500 You find the chapter for it and you can read it

01:31:35.760 and it's condensed and it's to the point.

01:31:37.900 So well done, Mark.

01:31:39.440 Thank you for doing what you're doing.

01:31:40.600 We appreciate you.

01:31:41.220 you know i appreciate it thank you so much for having me on you bet yeah let's do it again soon

01:31:45.880 stay in touch okay and keep up the fantastic work and uh yeah have a have a great summer's eve and

01:31:51.200 we'll uh we'll see you soon okay all right thank you sir awesome thank you appreciate it all right

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Red Ice TV - April 30, 2026

Sacred Sedian Lore on Summer’s Eve with Mark Puryear

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