00:11:56.260And it's really, as I'm going through it, it's like an, I'm not sure if that's the correct one, but like an index book, right, of all the, it's both important people, but celebrations and just trying to, it looks to me from the outset, again, I've been going through it as much as I could here before the show, but of trying to cataloging as much of this knowledge as possible.
00:12:16.560Is that a kind of a fair assessment, would you say?
00:12:18.640yeah i mean what we're trying to do you know and what we've been doing for years and you and i
00:12:24.560talked about this last time is the work of uh victor rydberg and and trying to look at and i
00:12:30.000pronounced it right that time victor you got mad at me for saying right right bird right yeah it's
00:12:40.160all good so uh so what we're showing people and what we're truly trying to develop here is just
00:12:45.120understanding that our people in the north the germanic people had this concept of a sacred epic
00:12:52.240and that sacred epic was holy to them and you saw it as part of like you know their culture
00:12:57.680and and their history and their heritage and they saw this as their central to their world view
00:13:02.960and so what we did is you know we saw uh reed bear's work and we're trying to you know basically
00:13:09.920build it from the sources themselves as close as we could possibly can get now we started out we had
00:13:14.880the also true etta and then we had the odinus etta and all that and these were incarnations
00:13:19.600that we were putting together and at the time you know i was really just trying to just prove it all
00:13:23.840you know just try to make the case for it and show people that uh that this was there and i kind of
00:13:28.640just threw everything but the kitchen sink in it and some of the sources we came back and saw hey
00:13:33.280look this is spurious this doesn't really count you know and all this stuff like orlinda book
00:13:37.200stuff was in there we took all that out some proto-indo-european theories and stuff got thrown
00:13:41.920out i mean a lot of stuff we're just trying to make it purely dramatic you know even with like
00:13:45.960the runes you know we had stuff with the runes we're kind of piecing together things so we could
00:13:49.340fit the elder food art we took that out we put in the icelandic rune poem because it's there it's
00:13:54.140actually there as literature you know yeah and then we had um you know the uh there was actually
00:13:59.020a poem that i found out about that was added into the poetic edic corpus and that was uh called
00:14:04.860gunnerschlag and gunnerschlager is actually not real it's actually been passed along in some edic
00:14:11.540of forms in the Poetic Edda, and it's not a poem. The guy who wrote it in like the 1800s said,
00:14:17.780look, no, I wrote this. It's not part of this. And they were like, no, we'll just include it
00:14:21.400anyway. So we took that out, and we're really just, you know, we wanted to see if we could
00:14:29.280build this narrative in its purest Germanic form, and actually show the Germanic history
00:14:35.540and their germanic lore in the best way that we possibly could so this idea of this you know of
00:14:42.180having you know alderuner is the idea of having this sacred epic and this comes from even the
00:14:48.900name of it comes from rigstula and it's the idea that heimdall comes and teaches these runes
00:14:55.300to the noble classes in order for them to pass on religion and culture and so when we see the
00:15:01.780the word rune, you know, the word often gets associated with the letters, you know, and all
00:15:06.300that. And the letters are, they're pivotal, you know, and they're part of it, you know, but
00:15:11.540the, we're not, that's not necessarily what we're seeing every time when it's mentioned in the
00:15:16.340poetic era. You know, a lot of times it's just talking about secrets, typically trade secrets,
00:15:20.580like in Sigrid Femal, it talks about like sadruner and, you know, which are sea runes and
00:15:25.160ulruner, which are ale runes and things like that. They're talking about, you know, the secrets of
00:15:30.140sailing, bringing good luck in sailing, the secret in ale making, and things like that.
00:15:35.860And so these are the things that, you know, these different people that would have these
00:15:39.180different professions would need to make their profession successful. And then you see that with
00:15:44.700the noble class, they end up with the, you know, the Afenruner and the Alterruner, right? And so
00:15:49.800these runes that they had mean, you know, the Afenruner means the runes of earthly life,
00:15:55.340and Aldaruner means the ruins of the ages.
00:19:40.720We have our own students that are, you know, helping us to push ideas and talk about things.
00:19:46.920And so these discussions that we have on our forums, typically on Telegram, they really help us to push forward and make this happen, you know.
00:19:54.380yeah and so the idea is that if the more discussion we have the more understanding we get then we
00:19:59.940start to lay out this information and some of these translations that people are doing and
00:20:03.660these ideas it's really just trying to get to the understanding of it you know yeah and so
00:20:08.280we look at it from the perspective of you know if we build it off of what we call the epic method
00:20:14.100and the epic method is basically built on the principle that there is an epic and that epic
00:20:18.800is told to us through Vulespa and that the poetic edda is our primary source other sources are
00:20:26.160secondary or tertiary and that these are not you know going to be contradicting the poetic edda
00:20:32.240and that we build it on this methodology then we can actually see this epic unfold
00:20:37.680and so in doing so you know once once i started to you know sort of purify everything and clean
00:20:43.280out a lot of this stuff that was in it before i was really concerned that we were going to lose
00:20:47.120a lot of that narrative you know because like i said originally i was just trying to prove this i
00:20:51.120was just trying to show people look we can do this but it was like now it's time to look at this and
00:20:56.720and try to see if there's something that we have for ourselves for our faith that would be sacred
00:21:02.320to us that's why we call it sacred city and lore because it's not about creating a holy text you
00:21:08.000know because the holy text is something that's revealed it's like the word of god type thing the
00:21:12.320bible and all that stuff but it is sacred because the epic is sacred and so you know we we're not
00:21:17.520saying that we have a perfect or we are the best or anything like that but we're saying that we
00:21:21.520have this epic and we believe strongly that this epic was sacred to our ancestors and piecing it
00:21:26.960together would have been would have thus been something sacred for us to do just in the act of
00:21:32.480it you know yeah and um we we see this as something like an epic chain that they had
00:21:38.720And, you know, there's theories going on that the Markan or the fairy tales and stuff like
00:21:43.540that, those are the stories that, you know, came out of this that were not added to the
00:21:47.380epic and they just became like their own corpus.
00:21:50.300And then the epic chain is the stories of the gods, of the heroes, of the great people
00:21:54.220who lived and the great divinities that sort of oversaw our ancestors and our folk, right?
00:22:00.500And so as we see this chain as something holy and sacred to us, you know, then the book
00:22:07.600it's not a revealed text you know and so it becomes something that we can look at and understand our
00:22:13.400religion better and understand how where this comes from understand the connection that we all
00:22:18.540have through this and then understand how we can utilize this in the modern world yeah definitely
00:22:23.800yeah sources is always an issue i this is a i forget actually where i found this graph but
00:22:29.040and i maybe you would have disagreements with it but i've seen other people that's my point
00:22:32.720while bringing it up to like trying to kind of like yeah parse them out and say like this kind
00:22:37.140of belongs to this category of sources here's another thing you know that kind of thing right
00:22:41.140because we do have the issue of this being you know orally passed down and then written down
00:22:45.420later and you do have the fact that then it's written down by a snorkel who's a who's a did he
00:22:50.780did he alter this right did he put his own spin on certain things there's a lot of layers there
00:22:56.600to kind of unravel right yeah right well that's the thing is that you have to like the thing is
00:23:02.800is you have to escape from blanket terminology a lot of people would say you know some people
00:23:07.780would say well Snorri Sturluson is the you know he's the the the ultimate authority on it and
00:23:12.320then other people would say no he's just total garbage and it's like no like you have to examine0.60
00:23:16.920exactly what he's saying throughout his look at it from an objective viewpoint extrapolate what0.91
00:23:22.680you can out of it and then use you know then they discard the rest and like you know the very
00:23:28.240framework and because we were pointing out like people say a lot of this stuff is christian
00:23:32.260propaganda and all that stuff and say okay well let's examine what propaganda is and we've done
00:23:37.240talks on this before let's look at like how does propaganda work and how did these guys utilize
00:23:42.740propaganda so that if there are you know pieces of this that we can use in the celebration of our
00:23:49.040faith, then we should get a thing that we bring to the table on this. And so we look at it line
00:23:55.660by line, you know, like, for example, looking at the very framework of Gilwagening, right,
00:24:01.080which means the diluting of Gilvie, all right? So this poem, I mean, not poem, this narrative
00:24:07.340that he develops, first off, he develops it in the Latin, what's the word for it? It's like the
00:24:13.920Latin conversation, I can't remember the name of it, but it's when they're basically going back
00:24:18.620and forth, you know, and they, um, it was a Latin method of presenting information and that they
00:24:24.640would have like these, uh, conversations with each other and stuff. A lot of the philosophers
00:24:28.100did it and things like that. And so he's, he's obviously using a Latin model for that. And then
00:24:33.280the fact is, is that even the word Gilbagging, the diluting of Gilfring is connected to Christian
00:24:39.340propaganda of the idea that these people were, you know, celebrating ancient Kings and Queens
00:24:45.420who um who weren't really gods that they were all just you know heroes who got lifted up and
00:24:50.980and worshipped as divine beings and replaced the real god who's the christian god right and so all
00:24:57.200of that information is and that's why you have to look at understand exactly what you're reading
00:25:02.860and know how the propaganda works and and dissect it so that you can you know like i said extrapolate
00:25:10.180exactly what it is that is real that we can utilize for the epic itself yeah how important
00:25:16.840is to get as obviously this is extremely important right getting as close kind of to the the sources
00:25:22.480as possible the source material to really kind of drill down into into getting a sense of accuracy
00:25:29.400right and then we said that last time and it's not that you know you've it's not that you fill in the
00:25:34.060gaps right yourself but the point is anything from history even some of the most authoritative
00:25:40.460religious scriptures oh there's no one debating those things obviously right that's just that's
00:25:45.800just human nature you know i mean like that there isn't there is no singular authority everyone
00:25:49.760will have their own spin on it kind of thing but it's so accuracy accuracy matters but ultimately
00:25:56.280it's the broad strokes that ties it all together if that makes sense would you agree yeah yeah and
00:26:01.980And the thing is, is that, you know, we're looking at when we're looking at the verses themselves and the passages and the prose etta and saxo and the poetic etta and all these different, you know, skaldic poetry and all that.
00:26:13.660We always are trying to go for like the most literal translations so that people can really get a feel for what is being done, you know, because we're not trying to like color this in like, you know, poetic language or trying to make it look fancy or whatever.
00:26:26.700We're really trying to get people to understand the religion itself and where these people, you know, are coming, where our ancestral faith comes from, because this is the religion itself, the idea of it being ancestral, you know, from the ancient customs or foreign cedar, you know.
00:26:41.280And so this idea is the building this is the, you know, the groundwork of it comes from actually looking at the sources and not rewriting them, but actually piecing them together as a puzzle and quoting them directly, citing them directly and trying to as much of an accurate narrative as possible.
00:27:01.880Yeah, exactly. So you go through, you look at the index of the book, a lot of things you go through from creation, right? Creation of the cosmos, emergence of the worlds, the great world, Yggdrasil, the structure of the nine realms, the origins and deeds of the gods and primeval beings, the unfolding ages of the cosmos from the earliest time to the wolf age, mentioned before, and the events leading to Ragnarok and the renewal of the cosmos.
00:27:31.880world so like an all-encompassing uh holistic i guess approach to uh to to norse uh spiritual
00:27:38.520tradition essentially right yes absolutely we left no stone unturned in this i i've been
00:27:45.800this this endeavor um i mean i've been doing this for about 20 25 years working on this with like
00:27:52.520with the ostrichetta um came out first that was like the first really incarnation of it i've worked
00:27:58.680with um william reeves to build uh fadernas gooda saga and to you know understand and and really try
00:28:07.240to build up this understanding of what this epic was what his perspective on it was how we can
00:28:13.480develop that perspective and then really take this to the highest level that we possibly could
00:28:18.920and so as we're piecing all of this together i mean like i said this is my life's work right
00:28:23.560here this is even though i put out other books like avon loker and uh avon runer and and other
00:28:28.440book and all these different books that we put out this book right here has been you know just
00:28:33.480the the entire focus of my life and so i've spent most of my life working on it and piecing it
00:28:39.560together and understanding it and trying to you know get it as as best as i possibly could because
00:28:46.040it's so important it's so necessary because it forms the court the kernel of everything else
00:28:51.560once you understand the epic, you understand the entire faith and everything just sort of unfolds
00:28:56.120from that. Do you, when you're working with these things, do you ever have that internal dialogue
00:29:01.880that this is, this is too much for people to kind of wrap their head around. And so I need to just
00:29:06.560simplify and simplify and simplify. And there's a risk, of course, that you kind of, then you cut
00:29:10.180out too much, you lose maybe, maybe the essence of it or something like that. But that's kind of
00:29:14.080like the time we're in too, right? Short form, Spurgy people are, you know, attention span is1.00
00:29:18.900low and stuff like that so there's so much good stuff here which is like is it for the select few1.00
00:29:24.280who have the dedicated dedication to put the time and the effort and really know or whatever or or
00:29:29.220do you think there is an application that can be broadly adopted but just like any religion right
00:29:35.920they you don't not everyone is a is a pastor or a priest or a scholar or a cantor or someone who
00:29:43.000have the all-encompassing text but they're getting you know kind of portions of it how
00:29:47.560how do you think we should structure this in order to make it more palatable? I guess,
00:29:51.220I guess that's what I'm asking. Well, my, my thing is, um, you know, I think that we should
00:29:56.120start broad, like you're saying, start with the big stuff and then work it down into like a funnel
00:30:01.060towards people who don't have, you know, the capability to sit here and read a 550 page book,
00:30:06.060which is what this is. And, um, so the thing is, is that, you know, you try to make it palatable,
00:30:12.080um, using different media forms and different ideas. And you try to really show people that
00:30:16.860these stories are valid. And I think that's the most important part for me is like starting out
00:30:21.400with the accuracy of it, building it properly, making it where it's something that we can actually
00:30:27.020view as something sacred to us and something that is a part of our culture and our history and our
00:30:31.880folk, right? And then sort of narrowing that down to different ideas that you can grow and develop
00:30:38.880and create in a way that people can take it in and it would be more palatable. So I would say
00:30:44.280in that perspective, you know, you'd want to just sort of break it down into little pieces, you know,
00:30:49.380and understand each part of this. And we're going to be doing that. I mean, this isn't just,
00:30:53.640this is just the beginning of this. First off, you can see on the listing there, it says the
00:30:59.840Setian Doctrine Series, right? And what we're trying to do is we're trying to go back to the
00:31:04.960origins of the Norana Society and really look at the, you know, what they were doing. And they
00:31:11.240were they were building collections building collections of books that were being you know
00:31:15.280given to royal families and to presidential libraries and things like that because they
00:31:18.920were considered important for european especially scandinavian heritage and so they ended up in a
00:31:24.200lot of those libraries and so what we're going to do is that cover you see on there we're going to
00:31:28.260mimic that cover in an entire series called the city and doctrine series and it's going to let
00:31:33.280you you know have an entire collection of every book that we've ever published we're going to
00:31:37.880edit some of them like the oldest book is going to completely get re-edited and all that stuff
00:31:42.720so we can have some really top-notch philosophy in there and then uh all the other books are just
00:31:48.180getting reformatted into the smaller size of six by nine because i've always published big books
00:31:52.580because i'm just trying to get it out there and uh so i think that um you know this is something
00:31:57.800that we're going to be moving forward on and it's it's going to help people to really take this in
00:32:02.780and then we have like uh you know kyle kyle davis put out the work traditional heathenry
00:32:07.200and that helps people to sort of get an overview of everything to really kind of break down the
00:32:12.540nuts and bolts of what uh sedian belief is when was the um the osatra edda out what year did you
00:32:19.460complete that oh the i think i was like 2016 okay yeah so 10 years ago yeah okay yeah yeah um so it's
00:32:27.580and do you feel you've learned is as every year goes by you just you learn more and more
00:32:34.300you expand that knowledge uh do you integrate that as well so you feel you just have a better
00:32:39.140over encompassing kind of um view on the on the work that you're into and the research you're
00:32:44.340doing yeah well and that's well the thing was is that we we had a book that we put out called
00:32:49.680send a book right and this was going to be like our book of rituals and i put it together and i
00:32:55.820had to completely rewrite the whole thing I just got to a point where I looked at it and I was like
00:33:00.880this is not good I wanted to get just completely rewrite it and so I started reworking on it and
00:33:08.080then and it just sent me out of this rabbit hole where I was just you know doing so much research
00:33:12.280and I started realizing all the problems with it and you know nobody likes to rewrite a book it's
00:33:16.080not fun you want to you want to make sure everything you're putting out is as accurate
00:33:19.080as possible but you just get like this new research comes new ideas come new things form and
00:33:23.480gel. And so what I did is I kind of took a step back from all of it. I said, you know, I'm not
00:33:28.620going to just sit here and rewrite books over and over again as new information comes out. I want to
00:33:32.320make sure that when we put in something, we put as much into it as we possibly can. So maybe we
00:33:37.160might have to do an edit later, not just completely rewrite a book, you know. And so what we did is
00:33:41.580I built like an infrastructure, a research infrastructure where I started collecting
00:33:45.500websites and databases and things like that, where I can get the information that I need as fast as
00:33:51.240possible and then we can start to understand it like uh there's a really great website called onp
00:33:56.760and uh onp is uh you can go on there and type in an old norse word and it will show you every
00:34:02.600single source that that word exists in and so it's great it's just fantastic because you can go through
00:34:08.520it and like research so much with that and really learn a lot and then there's uh volus.org um which
00:34:14.920is great it's got all these really great literal translations of the of the poetic edda and and
00:34:19.880good translations of the prose edit and all that and there's just there's just all these websites
00:34:23.880that i just started collecting so that i could have all this information to at my fingertips
00:34:28.680all these books that i need all these different things that you know i can go in and once i did
00:34:33.240that and i started to really you know break down how the research was going to go everything just
00:34:39.080kind of blossomed from there you know avon runer came out from that avon runer too then uh avon
00:34:44.600Lager and then, uh, and then Alderunner, right?
00:34:47.360All of these books are a part of the coming out of that infrastructure that we
00:35:10.160well the thing was is that at the time when i was uh first putting together i was reading some
00:35:17.200really good arguments in favor of it sure sure and there was some really good information that
00:35:21.580some people were putting out and i was like you know i wanted to uh to incorporate it because i
00:35:26.400i wasn't looking at it as a literal text like that's one thing people need to understand that
00:35:30.360that's i think that's when people started going into crazy town with it when they're like this
00:35:34.120is an actual like sacred text of our people like no we never saw that i was looking at it as yet
00:35:39.320another corrupted, possibly early manuscript, medieval or late medieval manuscript that you
00:35:47.480could look at and correlate to actual events that were occurring. One of the best arguments that I
00:35:53.060was seeing is that in Orlinda book, there's the mention of the Migration Saga, and the full-on
00:35:58.480research into the Migration Saga didn't happen until a century later, after it was discovered.
00:36:04.560And so I was like, I kind of held on to that because I'd seen the research into the migration saga.
00:36:09.860And I was like, it's just interesting that this book contains this when even the research after it was discovered didn't happen until way later.
00:36:17.560And so that's why I kind of leaned in on it for a while.
00:36:20.880But then, you know, you just want to get to a point where you're trying to lay your work on as strong a foundation as possible.
00:36:27.660And so that's why we just said, hey, look, we'll just pull this out.
00:36:30.860we'll we'll get rid of it and we'll um we'll build up on what we know is you know likely the um the
00:36:38.160corpus of this faith yeah that's what you're gonna have to do you have to have a a maybe pile you
00:36:44.100know okay it's interesting let's let's see how it fits into the context of other things right because
00:36:49.440yeah i've always uh appreciated the you can correlate it you can look at some of the
00:36:54.000primary chronicles or the just the norm or the getica or you know like you can you can piece
00:37:01.100kind of piece this together but i just when i started looking into this uh more more regularly
00:37:08.640and taking an active interest in it oh gosh 10 50 15 years ago maybe now or something like that
00:37:15.220i just realized how much when i dip in again and look how much more material is out there now and
00:37:20.240and how much more is being done on this all the time.
00:37:46.660There's all kinds of things out there that we haven't discovered.
00:37:49.520but uh you know over time usually maybe expansions i forget this was a farmer i think basically
00:37:55.940tripped over it sometimes it's road expansions becomes very um it's usually around those types
00:38:01.080of things they they stumble across these things and all of a sudden you have a you have way more
00:38:06.460detail and and interesting things that you can look at and kind of piece together um so it's far
00:38:12.280from from from over and it's far from like it's a done deal or set in stone literally like that
00:38:18.220and we're finding more things out as every year passes it's quite remarkable actually how much
00:38:22.220you can you can glean from things like this oh yeah and the thing is like when we were doing
00:38:27.380that show the uh just just looking at the historic resources itself you know there's a lot of
00:38:33.160information that uh he brought to the table on that because he collected all those histories
00:38:38.300and showed how those people like all from the saxons to the goths to the you know the um the uh
00:38:44.600The Geats and all these different tribes and stuff like that all over Northern Europe had these histories where they were, you know, saying literally that they believe that Skulne is where the ethnogenesis occurred.
00:38:57.080and so excuse me when you had um when you have dna that's coming out and showing that you know
00:39:04.500the germanic people likely originated from this region and then you have sites like opokra which
00:39:09.760are right next to a beach and we see a beach is discovered you know mentioned in the poetic era
00:39:14.820as where the gods first came and made mankind and then sweet yod is in that area with uh
00:39:19.640heimdall coming in and bringing in the classes and all that stuff you really start to see that this
00:39:24.520is, you know, where this is. This is the sacred land. And to me, you know, for me, I'm planning
00:39:32.020on going there. I'm working on, you know, saving up to get a trip over there and all that. And I
00:39:36.360encourage all heathens to go there. If I actually make it over to that region, I want to, you know,
00:39:42.880basically just make it a pilgrimage, like a sacred pilgrimage and take my kids out there and let them
00:39:47.540touch the soil and let them, you know, walk along the beach that possibly Odin and his brothers made
00:39:52.540the first man on and all that you know yeah this the womb of nations they call it right because
00:39:58.140there's so many tribes that uh just basically poured out of these i mean even madison grant
00:40:04.100you know compiled that and did research on these kinds of things right of looking at the different
00:40:08.020germanic groups and stuff and and how they um how they seeded many of the other consequent european
00:40:14.260peoples and civilizations and everything else right um so that area kind of circled there and
00:40:19.640you could you could argue about exactly what to include and whatnot whatever but yeah that seems
00:40:24.200to be the the the core core kind of area and it's interesting too because i wonder
00:40:30.360dogerland is kind of between england and denmark right there's these old this was a flood zone i
00:40:36.920think you go back to the what the kim the kimbry uh teutons that have said to migrate because of
00:40:42.600the fact that this was i mean look at like the netherlands today it's lowlands right here right
00:40:46.840they're literally have to build dikes and you know around to make sure that the ocean doesn't come in
00:40:51.560so there's things here that could be under sea level even older older things i don't know how
00:40:57.400quickly that went but regardless denmark as you said southern parts of sweden northern germany
00:41:02.200that seems to be like the kind of the core yeah sacred sacred region that's our that's our holy
00:41:07.800land right there you know i mean right yeah i agree like totally i think that that is and and
00:41:12.520the fact that you know we have regions over there like uh in norway and stuff like that you have the
00:41:17.880the um the island of helgeland which means the holy land and you have like these these these um
00:41:23.720you know areas like odin say which is the the island of odin i mean all of these different
00:41:28.840regions of stuff the naming of them the connection to them i i really believe that there's something
00:41:34.280that you know more to the name lund and uh the idea that london grove you know this grove yeah
00:41:40.280the growth it means yeah and and then you have you know the idea that ask an emblo were created
00:41:46.440in this area and um the christians kind of you know put their mark on there so there was something
00:41:52.840to it i mean there definitely is something in that region that is you know we can see it as a holy
00:41:58.760area as the the womb of nations as you know where we can um look to and understand where ethnogenesis
00:42:05.800occurred where all of these stories evolved out of and these are stories that are being told and
00:42:11.240marked and noted by people you know all the way in saxony and uh you know further south than that
00:42:16.760and the the idea is that these people knew where they came from they knew the regions that they
00:42:22.200were in and they were not these isolated tribes that were all so different and they were all like
00:42:27.160you know individualists or anything like that they were connected they a lot of them were related to
00:42:31.720each other they were intermarrying with each other um on a tribal basis to build alliances
00:42:36.600and things like that and this was you know germania that's what it was that's it and the
00:42:40.920romans knew that definitely yep and they luckily they didn't advance further than the than the
00:42:45.960elbe the rhine right there right so um this is another interesting era in that area is stored
00:42:52.120All the stones. It's formed like a ship. You see these. If you go to the Celtic side, usually they're more like an actual stone circle.
00:43:07.540But a lot of these in Scandinavia and some other parts as well, Sweden, Denmark, they're formed like an actual ship, right?
00:43:15.740And it's right by the coastline. You can see kind of in the shot there, just to the right, the ocean right there.
00:43:19.780And that's going over to Germany, Denmark, depending on which place you're looking at there.
00:43:26.480But, I mean, again, just the parallels to the calendrical systems.
00:43:31.260We have a great researcher, scholar here in Sweden.
00:43:34.920I had him on the show many, many years ago.
00:43:36.100But he did a whole analysis of the sunrise, you know, at these stones as a calendar and things like this.
00:43:43.900And these things are very hard to date, too.
00:43:46.400I mean, obviously, we've got to mention that, right?
00:43:47.760Like, even if you find an urn or something that's closed or dug down by one of these stones,
00:43:53.720that doesn't mean that that's when the stone were set, obviously, right?
00:43:56.960This could be an occult location for people thousands of years after it was actually constructed.
00:53:40.640And yeah, I think even the founding fathers,
00:53:43.180like Thomas Jefferson talked about that,
00:53:44.640You know, there was a sort of a development where people were trying to say, well, let's base America off of biblical law and mosaic law.
00:53:53.740And they said, no, we're going to base this off of Anglo-Saxon law, which has been, you know, the history of, you know, the free world forever.
00:54:01.480And that's what we have to base this on.
00:54:03.840And thankfully they did because mosaic law would have been a disaster.0.93
00:54:08.720Well, you know what the Noahide laws?0.95
00:55:37.940But they had this interesting thing of, again, looking at place names and stuff like that.
00:55:41.880There was a certain portion when Swedish royalty, they ended up changing the names of cities in order to take a mythological story that is said to have happened to this region and basically transplant it from where I believe it actually happened to this new area.
00:55:57.400There's like layers like this that get really complex.
00:56:00.000And I started looking into Uppsala itself, right?
00:56:02.240Because that's, again, every nine years, there's a big blute.
00:56:07.060Obviously, this is an important and sacred area.
00:56:09.880And I think there's, what is it, at least 80, maybe 200, even 100 place names in Sweden that have some version of Uppsala in them, for example, right?
00:56:16.900So there's this massive, complex picture here.
00:56:21.020But the Gothic thing is very interesting to me, too.
00:56:23.040I think there's history here where we're going to find a lot more
00:56:28.880and we're going to dig into this a lot more and discover things
00:56:32.540and piece it together as we go forward.
00:56:34.800I don't know if you heard about that, but there was places in,
00:56:38.180I forget if that was not the Gothic parts of Sweden, though,
00:56:40.640but they had been looted that the, what do you call them,
00:56:45.200the Society for Heritage, I guess, the Ministry for Culture,
00:56:50.700they're not doing like proper investigations or archaeological work at some of these mounds for
00:56:57.100example some of the big burial mounds and there's people going out and actually digging into these
00:57:02.640things there's no security there we don't know what's lost there were some archaeologist that
00:57:06.520was like basically crying being interviewed and saying we don't know what they took there was
00:57:09.940like 30 holes dug or something like that and those are some of the things that like really spooks me0.95
00:57:13.880like shit we get like we got to move to get our like to defend these areas to defend these places0.93
00:57:19.920and these sites and ensure that they're not looted further.0.99
01:00:08.820when I started looking into these things,
01:00:10.040Like, here's meaning and something, you know, just, I don't know, there's a sense of something that goes beyond yourself when you learn these stories and you learn the people that walk the same earth and the soil that you did at one point.
01:00:24.700And, I mean, their blood is literally in the soil itself, right?
01:01:55.080They think that, like, well, here I can go to, like, get something that's more, you know, anchored in the past and tradition, essentially.
01:02:03.320Of course, my view is, like, you're not really going to get it there, obviously, right?
01:02:06.760But still, the fact that they're trying or the fact that people are searching, I think that's a good instinct that we can work with, if that makes sense.
01:02:16.320absolutely and and i support you know um christians reclaiming their faith and you know
01:02:23.260building themselves back up and strengthening themselves for the sake of western civilization
01:02:28.200i think that christians need to break away from this sort of uh false narrative that they've been
01:02:34.400fed since the 50s and 60s that they're all supposed to be a bunch of hippies and they're
01:02:38.120supposed to you know just be kept a nice guy and turn the other cheek and all that stuff and
01:02:42.260that was never a part of christian history in all of history it's like all all up until then
01:02:47.500you know they sit there everybody complains about you know the brutality of it all but then like
01:02:51.980when it comes down to it today they're like oh no we all we do is turn the cheek and turn the
01:02:56.280other cheek and it's like that's that's not that you know and like we have to stand up for western
01:03:01.280civilization and i'm going to ally with anybody who's willing to do that um i believe that my
01:03:06.280faith is sort of a line in the sand with a lot of this stuff it's a line in the sand where it's
01:03:11.820you know this is us and it's only us and i don't have you know a holy book that has heroes from
01:03:17.900another people uh in it you know and and that's that's why i choose to follow what i choose what
01:03:23.340i follow and i'm not you know here denigrating anybody else for what they're doing but um i do
01:03:28.860believe that this this fight has to be something that we all embrace together and you can see this
01:03:35.340like i because like i said i've been to europe and i went to rome and i was getting a tour through
01:03:40.780the you know the vatican and through um the the forum and stuff like that and they were talking
01:03:46.620about there was the uh the period you know a lot of people push the idea that there was this you
01:03:51.340know long lasting tradition of christians like destroying statues and and and hurting the history
01:03:58.220but they said that that period only lasted like 10 years which is a long time they could do a lot
01:04:02.540of damage in that time but after that they um the people stepped up and said no this is part of who
01:04:09.740who we are. This is our culture. This is our history. This is where we come from. So we're
01:04:13.460going to preserve this and protect that. And so a lot of that still stays there in Rome because of
01:04:18.760that, you know, very idea. So it is a very strong tradition in the Christian faith to preserve
01:04:23.140that heritage and that history and that understanding of where they came from.
01:04:28.540And so, you know, I simply, I worship the gods of my people. I worship, you know, the ancestral
01:04:34.720traditions i practice in that form i try to reach as authentic a state of that because i believe that
01:04:42.800there is a religious form to this and i believe that new ageism has done a great disservice to
01:04:50.000it and created a lot of chaos and you know misunderstanding and misinformation about it
01:04:55.580and that's that to me has been the most harmful because i've seen it you know and i think that
01:05:00.240it just comes from a lot of the idea of this sort of libertarian worldview where everybody gets to
01:05:05.480do whatever they want and it's just sort of a feeding of degeneracy and i don't want to see
01:05:10.300that and i know that's not a part of this religion i know that's not where this comes from i know
01:05:14.000that a lot of that is actual christian propaganda that came from the early days and we've broken
01:05:18.960that down in certain areas as well and this is holy it does have a sacredness to it it has
01:05:24.860you know a history to it it has a cultural connection to it and there's a lot of different
01:05:30.400aspects to this that really just feeds into who we are as a people yeah yeah exactly that's
01:05:36.480interesting i didn't hear that about uh rome before that they said that it only lasted for
01:05:40.960a short period well that's good at least like but there's so much discussion you know destruction
01:05:46.540it's a waves and waves of these like you know basically cultural revolutions right even even
01:05:52.000In early Christianity, it was a radical new sect,
01:05:56.380a new way of looking at things, right?
01:14:59.560So the ancestral mound, the ancestral hill, basically.
01:15:02.680But it has levels on it, and one of them is called the middle hall and the upper hall, right?
01:15:07.960And it's also the area where you literally would see the sun rise, Ab-Ub-Sula, where the sun rises up, right?
01:15:13.820So there's all these interesting etymological connections, but a lot of it has to do with the geography of the landscape itself, that the land is sacred, and areas and places where you would literally have a better chance of surviving, obviously, makes sense, right, over time would develop as literal sacred areas that you need to protect and hold, you know?
01:15:33.840right well and then like um what we were talking about earlier about helgeland um uh the there's
01:15:41.340several places i've looked at that are called that and i i don't i think i pinpointed the one
01:15:46.240that adam abrimen is actually describing but um in it he just describes that you know it's basically
01:15:51.880the place where the polar night evens out like the most so i think it's it was like nine days
01:15:57.000of of sun in the summertime and nine nights in the wintertime or something like that and like
01:16:02.060that's why it was considered so sacred because of that and you know and he was like call them
01:16:06.280superstitious or whatever but the um but the thing is is that we see that there is a connection to
01:16:11.800like you know to things happening in the atmosphere um with the stars and the heavens and all that and
01:16:17.460we see things that are sacred in the land and this whole connection to nature itself and the idea of
01:16:22.960this being holy has these correlations between all of these different things like we know that
01:16:27.740the polar night is likely the origin of yule right and that that that's what they were celebrating
01:16:33.520originally and then it later gets uh solidified as a calendar and uh and then we we know that
01:16:39.620these sort of um events that happen in the heavens they correlate to events that happen on earth as
01:16:46.020well and then when you're looking at this sort of uh symbiosis between the people and the land and
01:16:51.900the heavens and the gods and the culture and all these different things that sort of you know form
01:16:56.420this holistic environment then everything becomes different you know and it it also it also means
01:17:03.140that people are more willing to defend what this is you know this this idea that we just create
01:17:11.340something universal it's for everybody and all that stuff and i've always believed that that
01:17:14.880stuff's just a scam for corporations to you know to open up markets and make more money but the uh
01:17:20.500the thing is is that the you know the idea is having something that you preserve and you protect
01:17:25.860and you guard means that you have to not be apathetic towards it and you're definitely
01:17:30.780going to be apathetic towards it if you're looking at some foreign land as the holy land or the
01:17:35.600sacred land for your people which it's not yeah exactly yeah i mean you mentioned whole or holy
01:17:41.780or you know that word again there's a number of place names i'm thinking back of like oh yeah
01:17:46.600that's right there was literally a viking burial field in one of these areas called hall h o l
01:17:51.940right holy or whole so many place names and things like that and you realize that it's like you can
01:17:56.480almost find a you can find a trail through the landscape right um or you see certain place names
01:18:02.800up in northern europe that then gets replicated down in you know southern parts of germany or
01:18:07.320something as probably those tribes moved out of those areas like take a um rugi for example it's
01:18:13.720a common one right a rugi land i think they ended up calling it in germany uh believed to come from
01:18:19.320maybe the fact that they were actually domesticating rye up in in norway and the rugi
01:18:25.260later on migrates further down south and they set shop up there too um so you have echoes all
01:18:31.960throughout the landscape it tells you about the the the ships if it was a harbor if it was close
01:18:37.600to the water or to the ocean it tells you you know it's it's a it's a living cultural memory
01:18:43.020in the place names itself that's the best i can describe it you know right well and you also see
01:18:48.380you know when you're going even further and deeper into something that's like very sacred
01:18:52.420something that's you're completely like sanctified and and and connected it is made inviolate um for
01:18:58.980the gods then there's like all kinds of rules and things like that we see like in a land normal book
01:19:03.520they talk about like you you're not allowed to use the restroom in some area that's been sanctified
01:19:08.600and made holy and like in the story one guy does this and they end up executing the guy
01:19:14.100they take down the entire temple they move it to another area i mean imagine how much that like
01:19:18.940takes you know you have this whole building here and because this guy took a leak in the area
01:19:23.900you have to move everything you know no wonder they executed sacrifice him he's not worth having
01:19:30.460around that guy that's your selection pressure right there you just did this you know take a0.97
01:19:36.040piss at the temple you're out that's it that's it oh that's funny oh man um all right so what else
01:19:43.100Again, I think this has been a really good discussion.0.97
01:31:41.220you know i appreciate it thank you so much for having me on you bet yeah let's do it again soon
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