Stephen McNallan is the founder of the All-Sub Truth Folk Assembly and author of The Spear, The Philosophy of Metagenetics, Folkism and Beyond. He is also the author of several books, including The Spear. In this episode, Stephen talks about his time as a speaker at the AMR Conference, and what it was like to be invited to speak there.
00:00:30.000All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us once again here at redice.tv. Hope you're doing well. Thank you for everybody out there for your support. Thank you to all our members tuning in as well as usual. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. We have none other than Stephen McNallan back on the show.
00:00:56.980Of course, the father, I would call him, of the revival of All Subtruth in these times. He's the founder of the All Subtruth Folk Assembly. He's the author of All Subtruth, a native European spirituality, which I think we talked more in depth on.
00:01:08.900Actually, last time it was on the show. It's been way too long, by the way. He's also written The Philosophy of Metagenetics, Folkism and Beyond.
00:01:16.120And, of course, his latest, which we'll be talking about here today, is called The Spear, which we're going to get into. I had a pleasure of meeting Stephen several times. A great man, an inspiration to our folk. Good to talk to you again, Stephen. How are you doing?
00:01:29.400I'm doing outstandingly well. Thank you very much. It is so good to hear your voice again and to be here.
00:01:37.040Same. Good to see you again, Stephen. It's always a pleasure. It's been way too long. But you do have a new book out, so this is a great time, great opportunity as well.
00:01:45.200Unfortunately, we actually tried to get you on right before Amron, but it was kind of busy. It didn't pan out. But I want to hear, well, maybe some of the details, at least. How did it go with Jared Taylor and the boys over there?
00:01:56.100Well, you know, I was astonished to actually get an invitation from Jared to speak for the first point. And then when I got there, I was remarkably well received. The atmosphere was different from any of the previous Amron conferences that I've been at.
00:02:16.740There was a sense of cooperation between the hardcore Christian segment and the rest of us. And it went really, really smoothly.
00:02:30.620I think one thing that kind of helped to facilitate that was the fact that the talk that I gave dealt with Wotan as a Germanic god and also as a Jungian archetype, so that the Christians in the audience
00:02:48.620did not feel compelled did not feel compelled to think of Wotan as a real thing. Whereas from my personal experience, he's a very real thing. And I like that. I like that a lot.
00:03:01.800But it was well received. My talk was, I couldn't believe how well it went. I was up there going down my script, you know, and kind of improvising a little bit.
00:03:21.260And thunder started rolling through the auditorium, you know, and then a pause and there was more, boom, wham. And this continued throughout pretty much the course of my speech. Nobody else got that. Nobody else got that. I literally got all the thunder.
00:03:42.440And yeah, of course, the audience cracked up totally. You know, they saw the humor to that. And I was talking about Wotan and power and might and overcoming and all of this sort of stuff. And bam, there it comes. Sound effects and everything.
00:03:58.020Fantastic. And no, nobody else got that particular thing going for them. Nice. So I felt really good about that. Yeah. And it's it's it was especially nice because I was talking about Jung, who, of course, also believed in, quote, meaningful coincidences or synchronicities. And this was indeed a meaningful coincidence.
00:04:22.920So I thought it was kind of cool that that all of these union things were falling together, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop in such a nice way. It was really great.
00:04:32.980That's awesome. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad Jared invited you, obviously, and kind of going in that direction and kind of opening that up a little bit. And it's not that Amron is religious, you know, I mean, from a Christian point of view or anything like that necessarily. But it's, you know, there's a that's a theme with some of the guests.
00:04:48.900When I was there, there's a lot of people that, you know, focused on that as a kind of a, you know, part of the solution or whatnot. But the reality is, as we talked about before we came on here, is that our folk, our people are very diverse.
00:04:58.660We have different belief systems. Some have none. Some are more atheistically inclined. Some people are looking for something deeper, tied to all our folk soul, to our roots and things like that.
00:05:07.400And for some people, Christianity will be fine, which is which is fine. I don't have a problem with Christians.
00:05:11.800You can I think you can criticize organized Christianity or some of the structures around it or why you don't think it's maybe the best suited things for most people.
00:05:21.780But that doesn't exclude you from, you know, not being able to to work together for common goals with the Christians when you can. Right.
00:05:30.340Yes, yes. And at the end of my talk, Jared was asked me a question, you know, because they had, you know, questions that people could ask at the end of each talk.
00:05:43.020And my question was, you know, the question to me was, you know, what was my take on Christianity in regards to all of this?
00:05:53.400And I told him the truth. I said, when I was a kid, everybody I knew was Christian.
00:05:59.000My mother, my father, all my relatives, all the friends I had were Christian.
00:06:03.720I'm not a Christian hater. You know, I don't happen to believe in that particular deity.
00:06:08.540But I am absolutely tolerant towards those men and women of our race who who who who go that way.
00:06:18.500You know, let men do what they should with what they will.
00:06:22.880You know, yeah. So I think that that mollified them quite a lot.
00:06:27.560I even got invited for several minutes onto a very Christian podcast guy named James Edwards.
00:07:03.240And he gets on the mic and he says something like, you know, I know this is a very Christian podcast, but, you know, you got to meet this guy, basically.
00:07:37.980There were a lot of young people, quite a number of people wearing hammers, that quite a few folks following some particular version of our spiritual experience.
00:07:51.000And the ones who were hardcore Christians, I'm good with it.
00:08:22.000I mean, especially at this time, it's late in the hour and there's a lot of problems we face.
00:08:27.260Now, my argument has kind of been, and I know there's some people that think, well, that's, you know, spirituality is the root of the issues.
00:08:33.700And I understand those arguments as well.
00:08:35.440But as you said, as long as you can work to push back against some of the things that we're all facing collectively as a people, as long as the people are, you know, pro-European, they're pro-our folk and so forth.
00:09:12.400Anyway, so we're not here to, you know, also talk about or, you know, sometimes I feel that too.
00:09:18.400It's just like kind of you're going to have to, and I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but like sometimes this is you kind of have to explain yourself to a Christian or something.
00:09:25.320And I'm not interested in that either, you know, it's like this is what we are, take it or leave it kind of thing.
00:09:29.900But anyway, so setting that to the side for a little bit and just like, hey, this is what we're doing.
00:11:14.200Every universalist, every internationalist out there is working against our interests.
00:11:26.380We are not reproducing enough to make up for our deaths.
00:11:30.620We are subject to a huge variety of ailments that are called, you know, what's the term?
00:11:39.560Something like a disease or deaths of out of desperation.
00:11:46.280You know, drug use is increasing among us.
00:11:49.900We are just a lot of white folks feel so out of things, out of the mainstream, that they're just going off and dying because they're despised by many, many people.
00:13:22.100We'll get into that a little bit later, what it means and what the spear means in the context of all of this.
00:13:26.500But, yes, to tie in something which is also spiritual, something that's tied to, I used that word before, our folk soul, something that kind of, if you will, comes from us as a root, something that our people have had a connection with, if you will, for countless generations.
00:13:46.860We don't even know how far back, you know, these stories, the spiritual system and so forth actually goes.
00:13:53.200But it's tied way back and it's something which is necessary.
00:13:56.540Some people claim that, you know, we have to have a spiritual aspect as part of as we're trying to solve some of these things that we face.
00:14:05.700We can't just do it on the surface level.
00:14:07.660We have to, you know, kind of go deeper, right?
00:14:10.040We have to go beneath the surface a little bit and have a holistic view of the solutions that we have to offer.
00:14:16.900So you can't just sit, you know, and just have the spiritual part.
00:14:20.540You can't just be out and do activism on the street.
00:14:23.240You need the whole spectrum, so to speak, of a solution.
00:14:26.240Otherwise, it's not going to work, I think, right?
00:14:29.060Yeah, as I see it, spirituality shapes culture.
00:14:38.940So you can always get out on the streets and get all extreme and accelerationist and all that kind of stuff.
00:14:45.860But if you haven't done the spiritual preparation, if you haven't given people the right values, they're not going to get anything out of that.
00:14:55.800So spirituality, culture, and then, finally, politics.
00:17:04.120So he is, he is in many respects, I think, you know, we could say the God, not the God, but a God of our folk.
00:17:13.280I think he is a very attractive God to be connected with at this point in time, especially considering the dire straits of our people and how we need.
00:17:25.860We need wisdom and we need fury, both, which I'll go into later.
00:17:31.740And I have followed him for 52 years or something like that now.
00:17:41.340And I have, I've never been tempted to go any other way.
00:17:46.540Do you want to share any of the, I guess, experiences that you've, that you've had?
00:18:20.420And it was, it was, it was summer break, but I wasn't breaking because I was, I was making up some dumb ass course that I had not gotten a good grade in.
00:18:30.800But of course I spent a lot of my time reading as usual.
00:18:34.480So I was laying in my dorm room, room 310, Pierce Hall, Midwestern State University, Wichita Falls, Texas.
00:18:44.020In case anybody wants to know that for the, for the bio.
00:18:47.020And I was reading a novel about the Vikings and, you know, I know novels are novels.
00:18:53.980I get that, you know, they're not history.
00:18:56.360But at the same time, I was, I was so attracted by this, this philosophy that espoused courage, overcoming, I, you know, this Nietzschean, volkish explanation for the universe.
00:19:14.600And this, I knew, was, was the, the, the, the, the deity that I wanted to follow.
00:19:21.860You know, I, I do not submit to him, but I respect him.
00:19:29.000It's, it's, it's a whole, it's completely different from, from many of the other worldviews that, that we see around us.
00:19:35.320It's, we can, we can become, with a capital B, it's all about becoming more than we are.
00:19:47.220It's all about fighting our battles, loving those we love, doing those things, which, which make us larger people.
00:19:59.080Makes us more complete, more, in a sense, powerful, and in our own miniature little way, little copies of, of, of these, these deities that we, that would, in which we hold respect.
00:20:13.440Um, so I, I gave myself to, to Oodin on that, that summer day, a long, long time ago, and I have never looked back.
00:20:53.420You know, I, my take on it is that all the different races of mankind, by their individual nature, whatever that nature may be,
00:21:06.540comes up with, or ties in with, or, I, I don't know you want to, how you want to put it, what goes first, but I think it is entirely natural for different races of people to have different deities, because we're not all the same.
00:21:23.620We're not all the same, you know, we, our temperament is different, our way of looking at the world is different, and it's very easy in a multicultural society to pretend that that is not the case.
00:21:37.640The thing is, I believe that Northern European peoples, and, you know, obviously, you know, the Scandinavians, obviously the Germans, obviously the English, but if you look at the Celtic ways, they're very similar.
00:21:53.240If you look at the Slavic ways, they have a lot of things in common.
00:21:56.940Basically, that Indo-European, Aryan belief system around the world has strong points in common.
00:22:10.300The souls of other peoples are not like us.
00:22:13.860And I have a lot of support when I say that, especially to the, you know, Native American or, quote, American Indian part of the, of the, of the spectrum.
00:22:24.340Vine Deloria, writer from the, I don't remember what, what his tribe was.
00:22:32.580It was one of the Sioux tribes, writer, wrote a book called God is Red, because to him and to, quote, Native Americans, unquote, God is red, like them, and so forth with other races.
00:22:49.260I don't expect other races to follow the same way, to have the same mindset, to have the same inner being that, that I do.
00:22:59.800And it's not a matter of better and worse.
00:23:02.780I mean, they are what they need to be.
00:23:05.680My opinion to them, if not that they ask, but if they ask, I'll say, find the ways of your ancestors and follow them.
00:23:23.620And that, that's, that's, that's the way I see all, all of these things.
00:23:29.220You know, I honor, I honor, I honor, I honor everybody who practices that ancestral veneration.
00:23:38.640Out at Odinshof, which for those who don't know, is the Assetry Folk Assembly Church, just because that's a word that ordinary people understand here in, in, in Northern California.
00:23:52.340Out at Odinshof, we have a, a food giveaway program for anybody who wants to come, you know, and anybody who needs food in that very rural, very poor part of the state.
00:24:07.080And, you know, black lady came through every time.
00:24:11.980And she was, she was always very, very neat, very quiet, didn't have a lot to say.
00:24:17.860I really liked her because she brought along chocolates and stuff, which I kind of shared.
00:24:23.080But, and then, then the local, the local left started giving us a ration of nonsense and, you know, saying a lot of things that weren't true, not getting our perspective right.
00:24:37.940And at the next food giveaway, she drives up and she's kind of fidgeting in her seat.
00:25:49.900And I've shared my own story many, many times.
00:25:51.760But obviously, like trying to find something, looking around in every corner, all over their different place, Mayan calendars and Aztec cultures.
00:25:59.080And, you know, trying to just find something which is like, fine, it's interesting and inspirational and all those kinds of things.
00:26:05.840But then, you know, after long, many, many years, it's like, oh, I got it right in my backyard.
00:26:25.340And you should say, there are so many parallels between different already ethnic groups within the European family that both have their own unique ways, but also, you know, tremendous similarities as well.
00:26:53.920So tell us a little bit about the significance of the spear, the mythology.
00:26:59.960I was starting to look into that, too.
00:27:01.580I found some kind of interesting things there.
00:27:03.120But actually, you know, the spear was thrown in battle.
00:27:07.220I think you mentioned that one of the first battles, right, between the Vanir and the Osir, the first war, as it was called.
00:27:14.120And I went down even an etymological trail and things like that, that even the word G-E-R or G-A-R, ger or gar, actually comes from the word of spear, if you will, which would get, obviously, the word German from, right?
00:27:45.820Well, the more I thought about Odin slash Wotan, and the more I thought about his character and his personality and those things with which he's associated, the more I could understand the spear in that connection.
00:28:04.140Like Wotan slash Odin, the spear has two characteristics or two implications, shall we say.
00:28:17.080On the one hand, it is the spear of fury for, as you pointed out at the beginning of a battle, you know, the Vikings or whoever would hurl the spear.
00:28:32.280Where the stories are, you know, over the enemy host.
00:28:36.380I think you'd have to have one hell of an arm to do that.
00:28:38.920Maybe the guy in the front row, who knows.
00:28:41.160But the idea was to replicate that mythic experience of the war between the Aesir and the Vanir, where Odin threw the spear over them at, quote, the first battle in the world, unquote.
00:28:56.520But it's also connected with wisdom because of Odin's ordeal on the world tree, where he hung on the tree, pierced by a spear for nine days and nights with no bread, no water, no mead to win the secret of the runes.
00:29:20.000And actually, the word rune, if you follow it back, actually pretty much means secret.
00:29:24.260So we're talking about the secrets of the cosmos.
00:29:28.380As there's a verse about that in the Haufelmael, I know that I hung on a windswept tree, nights all nine, wounded by the guard, given myself to myself.
00:29:44.720They gave me no bread, nor drinking horn.
00:29:47.540I looked down, I took up runes, roaring, I took them, and fell back again.
00:29:55.980I'm a little bit off on some of that, but basically, that's the story.
00:31:08.320To give the background, Jung wrote an essay simply called Wotan, which he published in, I think, 1934.
00:31:16.160And he was analyzing the developments in Germany, you know, the rise of the Reich and, you know, all the tumult there.
00:31:24.720He was looking at that as a manifestation of the, quote, Wotan archetype, because Jung supposedly did not think of Wotan
00:31:37.720as an actual deity, you know, as a consciousness, as a vital force, but rather just as a archetypal symbol in the unconscious of the Germanic peoples.
00:31:49.700So, so, so he saw it in that psychological terms, but he, he, he nevertheless connected it as a manifestation of the archetype of Wotan, the image of Wotan in the collective unconscious.
00:32:03.320And he, he, he says that with the rise of, of, of, of, of the NSDAP and so forth, what we saw there was the furious aspect of Wotan.
00:32:17.320And he says that that was what applied basically all the way through the, the, the end of the Second World War.
00:32:27.320It was his, his, his, his martial might, his insistence, his will to power, and so forth and so forth, that, that manifested through, through the German people.
00:32:39.320But Jung predicted later, 1947, after the war, he wrote a, a revised version of the Wotan essay.
00:32:50.320And his closing paragraph pointed out that next time we shall see Wotan's wisdom aspect.
00:32:59.320And he says that, uh, in the coming years or decades that should manifest, uh, in, in the Germanic peoples.
00:33:09.320I think he was spot on probably more so than he knew.
00:33:16.320I mean, I don't think he was trying to be a prophet, but I believe that that is where we're at now.
00:34:16.320I don't think he thought that he was a prophet, but let's, let's, let's, let's take it, take it as such.
00:34:22.320Let's, let's say that we are here in this day and age to fulfill that prophecy.
00:34:30.320And all of us who are part of this larger movement, all of those, those of us who, who fight for the existence of our people,
00:34:39.320whether, whether we follow Wotan every Wednesday or not, we could be good Christians.
00:34:47.320We could be atheists, we could be agnostics, but deep within us is that quote archetype, that manifestation, which will lead us to victory.
00:34:59.320Basically, although I'm sure Jung had no idea this is what he was doing.
00:35:04.320Herr Jung pointed out a way, a way to success, a way to victory for the European descended peoples.
00:35:59.320I just look at, just look at the J6, some of the defendants there, those who were indicted and prosecuted and sentenced now, you know, 17 years is 22 years and stuff.
00:37:12.320Um, you know, it's perhaps it's, it's, it's probably more useful in a fight to be the, the, the cool tempered guy.
00:37:19.320You know, not, not just a furious guy, but even if he's big and strong and wants to get out there and just start throwing, throwing punches.
00:37:25.320I mean, he's going to wear himself out.
00:37:28.320He's going to do something stupid and break his hand.
00:37:31.320But yeah, the, the guy who plans the guy, the guy who thinks is the one who's going to win the fight.
00:38:24.320I see a lot of young men today that I, again, I understand their anger and frustration, but it feels like they're casting that away at the chance to just, you know, I don't know, stand around and scream at somebody or whatever.
00:38:34.320And it's like, you can have a, you try to have a family that is still, I, I'm torn.
00:38:49.320Other ways you can work to improve our people and our folk and having families, having children, educating them in the right way, thinking of, you know, multiple generations down the line.
00:38:58.320It's that part is really about giving up something of ourselves.
00:39:01.320So of not having that instant gratification of fulfilling our need to just, you know, vent our anger, but to actually plan this out.
00:40:06.320We have incredible potential, each and every one of us.
00:40:13.320And Odin Wotan is an example, a manifestation of that.
00:40:21.320He's not saying to us, get down on your knees and grovel before me.
00:40:25.320He's saying, get up off your knees, become like me, become wiser, become stronger, become more perceptive, become more in control of who and what you are.
00:40:40.320And that wisdom aspect, it's a broad spectrum.
00:40:44.320I mean, you can have very common wisdom, which is a good thing.
00:40:48.320And you can have more exotic forms, more esoteric forms of wisdom that are also good things.
00:40:55.320Most of the people I know do some form of meditation or spiritual exercises.
00:45:01.320I've just really been enjoying it over the last few days, guys.
00:45:04.320So definitely pick up a copy if you're interested in this.
00:45:06.320You have some other ones on the websites, too, of course.
00:45:08.320Also to a native European spirituality, if you're new to this.
00:45:11.320I also like, remember, there was many years ago we talked about that, but the philosophy of metagenetics,
00:45:15.320which is, again, kind of an undercurrent here of our differences and how genetics really affects us and why we're different of sorts as well,
00:45:24.320and tying that into the idea of our folk and folkism and things like that.
00:45:28.320What are some of the other places, too?
00:45:30.320Do you want to mention a couple of words now?
00:45:33.320We can talk more about it in detail later, but VotonNetwork.com.
00:45:36.320VotonNetwork is a sort of philosophical insurgency, a spiritual insurgency, so to speak.
00:45:45.320It is, at this point, not highly organized.
00:47:40.320You've got to begin, you know, somewhere.
00:47:42.320There's a resurgence of this as the resurgence of other belief systems.
00:47:47.320I think a lot of our people are just looking for something, you know what I mean?
00:47:52.320A lot of people know that that's really been removed the last, well, the last two generations or so.
00:47:57.320It's just gotten worse and worse, as you mentioned at the beginning, with the degeneracy, the nihilism, the, you know, we're all an accident.
00:48:03.320You know, the scientific type of worldviews that we're getting.
00:48:07.320And it's highly important to get something which anchors us, you know what I mean?
00:48:11.320And I think it's just something that more or less kind of clicks in people, you know what I mean?
00:48:14.320They feel if it's right for them fairly early on.
00:48:17.320Maybe some people can read their way into it or something like that, but I think it's a very intuitive process, you know what I mean?
00:48:27.320Instead of just sitting back and complaining about it, there's a whole program of things that people can do to actually influence the world around them.
00:48:37.320And that's what it's about, is influencing the world around us.
00:49:50.320We have a fantastic part two coming up with Steven McNallan to talk about direction, self-determination, immortality, and the destiny and will for the future of our folk.
00:50:07.320We talk about one of the many goals that our folk need to put our mind towards to propel ourselves forward to the next level.
00:50:15.320Strangely, I'd argue it's less about the end result of that goal.
00:50:20.320And it's about actually setting our sights on something that is essentially impossible.
00:50:25.320And we have to overcome it, solve it, crack it, and become more and become better as a race and as a people in the process.
00:50:34.320We've had these things throughout history, right, where we overcome certain things, certain obstacles, do the impossible.
00:50:41.320We also talked about the runes, their origins and significance today, what they represent and how they were acquired.
00:50:47.320And, of course, what it means to take up the spear.
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