Red Ice TV - Take Up The Spear - Stephen McNallen

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00:00:30.000 All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us once again here at redice.tv. Hope you're doing well. Thank you for everybody out there for your support. Thank you to all our members tuning in as well as usual. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. We have none other than Stephen McNallan back on the show.

00:00:56.980 Of course, the father, I would call him, of the revival of All Subtruth in these times. He's the founder of the All Subtruth Folk Assembly. He's the author of All Subtruth, a native European spirituality, which I think we talked more in depth on.

00:01:08.900 Actually, last time it was on the show. It's been way too long, by the way. He's also written The Philosophy of Metagenetics, Folkism and Beyond.

00:01:16.120 And, of course, his latest, which we'll be talking about here today, is called The Spear, which we're going to get into. I had a pleasure of meeting Stephen several times. A great man, an inspiration to our folk. Good to talk to you again, Stephen. How are you doing?

00:01:29.400 I'm doing outstandingly well. Thank you very much. It is so good to hear your voice again and to be here.

00:01:37.040 Same. Good to see you again, Stephen. It's always a pleasure. It's been way too long. But you do have a new book out, so this is a great time, great opportunity as well.

00:01:45.200 Unfortunately, we actually tried to get you on right before Amron, but it was kind of busy. It didn't pan out. But I want to hear, well, maybe some of the details, at least. How did it go with Jared Taylor and the boys over there?

00:01:56.100 Well, you know, I was astonished to actually get an invitation from Jared to speak for the first point. And then when I got there, I was remarkably well received. The atmosphere was different from any of the previous Amron conferences that I've been at.

00:02:16.740 There was a sense of cooperation between the hardcore Christian segment and the rest of us. And it went really, really smoothly.

00:02:30.620 I think one thing that kind of helped to facilitate that was the fact that the talk that I gave dealt with Wotan as a Germanic god and also as a Jungian archetype, so that the Christians in the audience

00:02:48.620 did not feel compelled did not feel compelled to think of Wotan as a real thing. Whereas from my personal experience, he's a very real thing. And I like that. I like that a lot.

00:03:01.800 But it was well received. My talk was, I couldn't believe how well it went. I was up there going down my script, you know, and kind of improvising a little bit.

00:03:21.260 And thunder started rolling through the auditorium, you know, and then a pause and there was more, boom, wham. And this continued throughout pretty much the course of my speech. Nobody else got that. Nobody else got that. I literally got all the thunder.

00:03:42.440 And yeah, of course, the audience cracked up totally. You know, they saw the humor to that. And I was talking about Wotan and power and might and overcoming and all of this sort of stuff. And bam, there it comes. Sound effects and everything.

00:03:58.020 Fantastic. And no, nobody else got that particular thing going for them. Nice. So I felt really good about that. Yeah. And it's it's it was especially nice because I was talking about Jung, who, of course, also believed in, quote, meaningful coincidences or synchronicities. And this was indeed a meaningful coincidence.

00:04:22.920 So I thought it was kind of cool that that all of these union things were falling together, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop in such a nice way. It was really great.

00:04:32.980 That's awesome. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad Jared invited you, obviously, and kind of going in that direction and kind of opening that up a little bit. And it's not that Amron is religious, you know, I mean, from a Christian point of view or anything like that necessarily. But it's, you know, there's a that's a theme with some of the guests.

00:04:48.900 When I was there, there's a lot of people that, you know, focused on that as a kind of a, you know, part of the solution or whatnot. But the reality is, as we talked about before we came on here, is that our folk, our people are very diverse.

00:04:58.660 We have different belief systems. Some have none. Some are more atheistically inclined. Some people are looking for something deeper, tied to all our folk soul, to our roots and things like that.

00:05:07.400 And for some people, Christianity will be fine, which is which is fine. I don't have a problem with Christians.

00:05:11.800 You can I think you can criticize organized Christianity or some of the structures around it or why you don't think it's maybe the best suited things for most people.

00:05:21.780 But that doesn't exclude you from, you know, not being able to to work together for common goals with the Christians when you can. Right. 0.98

00:05:30.340 Yes, yes. And at the end of my talk, Jared was asked me a question, you know, because they had, you know, questions that people could ask at the end of each talk.

00:05:43.020 And my question was, you know, the question to me was, you know, what was my take on Christianity in regards to all of this?

00:05:53.400 And I told him the truth. I said, when I was a kid, everybody I knew was Christian.

00:05:59.000 My mother, my father, all my relatives, all the friends I had were Christian.

00:06:03.720 I'm not a Christian hater. You know, I don't happen to believe in that particular deity.

00:06:08.540 But I am absolutely tolerant towards those men and women of our race who who who who go that way.

00:06:18.500 You know, let men do what they should with what they will.

00:06:22.880 You know, yeah. So I think that that mollified them quite a lot.

00:06:27.560 I even got invited for several minutes onto a very Christian podcast guy named James Edwards.

00:06:35.120 Oh, yeah. I know that guy.

00:06:37.400 Political cesspool.

00:06:38.540 Yeah. Right.

00:06:39.420 James is great.

00:06:40.120 And he and I hit it off remarkably well.

00:06:43.080 Yeah.

00:06:43.620 He's very, very good humored, absolutely open minded.

00:06:47.260 We talked a lot.

00:06:49.000 And, you know, as I was wandering through the whole business, he he and some others were off on one side.

00:06:57.480 He was actually doing his podcast.

00:06:59.620 They said, Steve, Steve, you got to come over here.

00:07:01.960 I'm going to introduce you.

00:07:03.240 And he gets on the mic and he says something like, you know, I know this is a very Christian podcast, but, you know, you got to meet this guy, basically.

00:07:12.660 Nice.

00:07:12.860 And, you know, the whole attitude was like that.

00:07:16.680 And I've never seen that before.

00:07:20.100 Always before there's been not necessarily open hostility, been very little of that.

00:07:25.400 But it just kind of, you know, this, this, well, we don't, we're not going to talk about any of that.

00:07:32.220 But it wasn't that way this time.

00:07:36.680 It was different.

00:07:37.980 There were a lot of young people, quite a number of people wearing hammers, that quite a few folks following some particular version of our spiritual experience.

00:07:51.000 And the ones who were hardcore Christians, I'm good with it. 0.72

00:07:56.200 I don't care.

00:07:57.760 Most Christians have really good values in many ways.

00:08:01.020 They are in many ways hoping to uphold Western culture and that common thing that Asatruer and Christians can absolutely agree on.

00:08:13.120 We've got to focus on what we have in common, not those things that separate us.

00:08:18.660 Especially at this time.

00:08:19.760 Yeah, it felt good.

00:08:21.540 Yeah.

00:08:22.000 I mean, especially at this time, it's late in the hour and there's a lot of problems we face.

00:08:27.260 Now, my argument has kind of been, and I know there's some people that think, well, that's, you know, spirituality is the root of the issues.

00:08:32.880 And we've got to address that.

00:08:33.700 And I understand those arguments as well.

00:08:35.440 But as you said, as long as you can work to push back against some of the things that we're all facing collectively as a people, as long as the people are, you know, pro-European, they're pro-our folk and so forth.

00:08:47.000 Yes.

00:08:47.420 Not a problem.

00:08:48.240 You know what I mean?

00:08:48.540 Not a problem at this point.

00:08:49.580 Yeah.

00:08:50.200 We'll sort that out later.

00:08:52.520 Yeah.

00:08:53.540 Exactly.

00:08:54.280 Exactly.

00:08:54.780 I think we are united in that we are opposed to the degeneracy that has infected our society and our culture.

00:09:03.000 And we want to be better than that.

00:09:05.920 We want to rise above that.

00:09:07.300 So, anybody who wants to do that is my ally.

00:09:10.740 Definitely.

00:09:12.400 Anyway, so we're not here to, you know, also talk about or, you know, sometimes I feel that too.

00:09:18.400 It's just like kind of you're going to have to, and I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but like sometimes this is you kind of have to explain yourself to a Christian or something. 0.84

00:09:25.320 And I'm not interested in that either, you know, it's like this is what we are, take it or leave it kind of thing.

00:09:29.900 But anyway, so setting that to the side for a little bit and just like, hey, this is what we're doing.

00:09:34.740 Let's get into the spear here. 0.98

00:09:36.880 Why did you want to write it now?

00:09:38.540 I got to say first, I've been going through the book here the last few days, and I love the way it's written.

00:09:43.460 It really speaks to me.

00:09:44.740 It's very, very poetic.

00:09:45.780 It just slices through.

00:09:47.660 It's like a spear, I guess, you know, coincidentally.

00:09:50.080 It slices through everything directly to the point sharp.

00:09:53.600 It's the tip of the spear, if you will.

00:09:55.240 Tell us why you wanted to write it now.

00:09:58.660 Because it's time.

00:10:03.040 We're at a point in our culture and in our civilization where we have to be honest about these things.

00:10:11.120 And essentially, we are in Weimar 2, 2.0, right?

00:10:20.780 And I'm not the first one to say that, but it's true. 1.00

00:10:23.820 You look around at the degeneracy.

00:10:25.960 You look around at the political dealings.

00:10:28.720 You look around at the general tone of our culture.

00:10:33.780 And in many ways, we are re-experiencing the Weimar Republic.

00:10:39.520 So we know where that ended last time.

00:10:43.820 So maybe we ought to plan this a little bit this time and see if we can get the results that we want.

00:10:52.420 Basically, the survival of our people is hinging on a number of fine factors.

00:10:59.200 And unless we can work those factors to our will, the outcome we would like to see, we're not going to exist anymore.

00:11:11.160 We are being swamped demographically.

00:11:14.200 Every universalist, every internationalist out there is working against our interests.

00:11:26.380 We are not reproducing enough to make up for our deaths.

00:11:30.620 We are subject to a huge variety of ailments that are called, you know, what's the term?

00:11:39.560 Something like a disease or deaths of out of desperation.

00:11:46.280 You know, drug use is increasing among us.

00:11:49.900 We are just a lot of white folks feel so out of things, out of the mainstream, that they're just going off and dying because they're despised by many, many people.

00:12:04.540 And the social pressure is unhealthy.

00:12:07.540 You know, we're losing a lot of good people because of the status of white people in this multicultural experience. 0.98

00:12:20.240 I won't go on about that, but that's the sort of thing that we're facing.

00:12:25.620 And I felt I had to write the spear now and to write it with as much passion as possible.

00:12:32.960 I want the spear to be, among other things, the field manual for WOTON Network.

00:12:41.500 Now, obviously, anybody who wants to read it can read it.

00:12:43.960 And I hope a lot of people will because I think everybody, certainly all of your audience, is going to like it and find it useful.

00:12:52.700 And we need to hear these words.

00:12:56.240 We need to hear these things said.

00:12:58.900 They need to be said in a forceful way and a way that focuses on our experience, our well-being, our dreams of white people. 0.70

00:13:13.980 And so, yes, it was time.

00:13:16.120 It was time to write the spear, to throw the spear, so to speak.

00:13:21.180 Right, exactly.

00:13:22.100 We'll get into that a little bit later, what it means and what the spear means in the context of all of this.

00:13:26.500 But, yes, to tie in something which is also spiritual, something that's tied to, I used that word before, our folk soul, something that kind of, if you will, comes from us as a root, something that our people have had a connection with, if you will, for countless generations.

00:13:46.860 We don't even know how far back, you know, these stories, the spiritual system and so forth actually goes.

00:13:53.200 But it's tied way back and it's something which is necessary.

00:13:56.540 Some people claim that, you know, we have to have a spiritual aspect as part of as we're trying to solve some of these things that we face.

00:14:05.700 We can't just do it on the surface level.

00:14:07.660 We have to, you know, kind of go deeper, right?

00:14:10.040 We have to go beneath the surface a little bit and have a holistic view of the solutions that we have to offer.

00:14:16.900 So you can't just sit, you know, and just have the spiritual part.

00:14:20.540 You can't just be out and do activism on the street.

00:14:23.240 You need the whole spectrum, so to speak, of a solution.

00:14:26.240 Otherwise, it's not going to work, I think, right?

00:14:29.060 Yeah, as I see it, spirituality shapes culture.

00:14:36.160 Culture shapes politics.

00:14:38.940 So you can always get out on the streets and get all extreme and accelerationist and all that kind of stuff.

00:14:45.860 But if you haven't done the spiritual preparation, if you haven't given people the right values, they're not going to get anything out of that.

00:14:55.800 So spirituality, culture, and then, finally, politics.

00:15:01.560 They're all important.

00:15:02.460 Don't get me wrong.

00:15:03.360 I mean, I'm totally a political creature on many levels.

00:15:06.280 But you've got to have that other stuff that backs it up, that supports it, that shapes it, that brings it the next step into reality.

00:15:15.900 Exactly.

00:15:16.300 So before we get into more of that, and we're going to try and talk a bit about wisdom and the fury,

00:15:22.320 but I want to ask you just straight up, tell us some more about Odin, Votan.

00:15:26.340 There's a hundred names, if not even more, for the Allfather, and we don't even know how far back the names actually go.

00:15:34.760 I was just looking at a couple of them.

00:15:36.400 There was one from Strängnäs, actually in Sweden, where I'm from, the Strängnäs stone,

00:15:42.740 which is one of the ones that are believed to have some of the oldest carvings of it.

00:15:45.920 But even before the runes, we know that some of these stories were here or whatnot.

00:15:49.400 But a newcomer, what would you say to them about Votan or Odin?

00:15:53.820 Well, I think most of us who follow the old ways agree that these are just different names for the same consciousness, the same entity.

00:16:08.280 And it's famously Odin, you know, in all of the tales of the Vikings.

00:16:15.100 So your Scandinavian corps knows him by that name.

00:16:19.300 And the Germanic tribes had other names, you know, typically Wodan among the Saxons, Wotan among the Germanic tribes.

00:16:29.220 And you can trace all of those, all of those different terms back to a reconstructed, you know, proto-Indo-European term, Wodanas,

00:16:42.780 which basically means the master of divine inspiration, i.e. wisdom.

00:16:50.720 He is all about wisdom.

00:16:52.320 People think about Odin, Wodan, Wotan in terms of battle.

00:16:56.480 And yeah, he's a battler, all right.

00:16:58.700 But above everything is wisdom.

00:17:01.620 His very name echoes that.

00:17:04.120 So he is, he is in many respects, I think, you know, we could say the God, not the God, but a God of our folk.

00:17:13.280 I think he is a very attractive God to be connected with at this point in time, especially considering the dire straits of our people and how we need.

00:17:25.860 We need wisdom and we need fury, both, which I'll go into later.

00:17:31.740 And I have followed him for 52 years or something like that now.

00:17:41.340 And I have, I've never been tempted to go any other way.

00:17:46.540 Do you want to share any of the, I guess, experiences that you've, that you've had?

00:17:52.880 Oh, you don't have to.

00:17:55.020 If you don't want to, it's totally fine.

00:17:56.220 I got it on the spot.

00:17:56.880 No, I can, I can, I go, gosh, I'm part Irish too.

00:18:01.620 So I'm a storyteller.

00:18:06.160 I could, I could recount all sorts of things.

00:18:09.880 I'll tell you about the day that I made up my mind to do this.

00:18:12.800 Sure.

00:18:13.100 Yeah.

00:18:13.280 I was a young college student.

00:18:15.080 Hard to believe I was ever a young anything at this point in my life.

00:18:18.900 But I was a young college student. 0.90

00:18:20.420 And it was, it was, it was summer break, but I wasn't breaking because I was, I was making up some dumb ass course that I had not gotten a good grade in. 0.76

00:18:30.800 But of course I spent a lot of my time reading as usual.

00:18:34.480 So I was laying in my dorm room, room 310, Pierce Hall, Midwestern State University, Wichita Falls, Texas.

00:18:44.020 In case anybody wants to know that for the, for the bio.

00:18:47.020 And I was reading a novel about the Vikings and, you know, I know novels are novels.

00:18:53.980 I get that, you know, they're not history.

00:18:56.360 But at the same time, I was, I was so attracted by this, this philosophy that espoused courage, overcoming, I, you know, this Nietzschean, volkish explanation for the universe.

00:19:14.600 And this, I knew, was, was the, the, the, the, the deity that I wanted to follow.

00:19:21.860 You know, I, I do not submit to him, but I respect him.

00:19:29.000 It's, it's, it's a whole, it's completely different from, from many of the other worldviews that, that we see around us.

00:19:35.320 It's, we can, we can become, with a capital B, it's all about becoming more than we are.

00:19:44.160 It's all about overcoming obstacles.

00:19:47.220 It's all about fighting our battles, loving those we love, doing those things, which, which make us larger people.

00:19:59.080 Makes us more complete, more, in a sense, powerful, and in our own miniature little way, little copies of, of, of these, these deities that we, that would, in which we hold respect.

00:20:13.440 Um, so I, I gave myself to, to Oodin on that, that summer day, a long, long time ago, and I have never looked back.

00:20:24.980 It's been a great trip.

00:20:26.980 If it ended tomorrow, it'd still be awesome.

00:20:30.500 There you go.

00:20:31.740 Nice.

00:20:32.460 So, so, uh, is Odin, you kind of alluded to this a little bit, I guess, or, or I did, uh, in terms of, does he, is he universal?

00:20:40.320 Does he belong to, to us European folks?

00:20:43.280 Do we, as I said before, kind of, do we, do we come from him, would you say, at this point, in your understanding?

00:20:48.480 Or is it something that comes out of us, part of our folk soul, as I said before?

00:20:52.900 Yeah.

00:20:53.420 You know, I, my take on it is that all the different races of mankind, by their individual nature, whatever that nature may be,

00:21:06.540 comes up with, or ties in with, or, I, I don't know you want to, how you want to put it, what goes first, but I think it is entirely natural for different races of people to have different deities, because we're not all the same.

00:21:23.620 We're not all the same, you know, we, our temperament is different, our way of looking at the world is different, and it's very easy in a multicultural society to pretend that that is not the case. 0.96

00:21:37.640 The thing is, I believe that Northern European peoples, and, you know, obviously, you know, the Scandinavians, obviously the Germans, obviously the English, but if you look at the Celtic ways, they're very similar.

00:21:53.240 If you look at the Slavic ways, they have a lot of things in common.

00:21:56.940 Basically, that Indo-European, Aryan belief system around the world has strong points in common.

00:22:07.600 This expresses our soul.

00:22:10.300 The souls of other peoples are not like us. 1.00

00:22:13.860 And I have a lot of support when I say that, especially to the, you know, Native American or, quote, American Indian part of the, of the, of the spectrum.

00:22:24.340 Vine Deloria, writer from the, I don't remember what, what his tribe was.

00:22:32.580 It was one of the Sioux tribes, writer, wrote a book called God is Red, because to him and to, quote, Native Americans, unquote, God is red, like them, and so forth with other races.

00:22:49.260 I don't expect other races to follow the same way, to have the same mindset, to have the same inner being that, that I do.

00:22:59.800 And it's not a matter of better and worse.

00:23:02.780 I mean, they are what they need to be.

00:23:05.680 My opinion to them, if not that they ask, but if they ask, I'll say, find the ways of your ancestors and follow them.

00:23:12.880 Because for you, that is truth.

00:23:15.980 It's not truth for me.

00:23:18.160 But it doesn't have to please me.

00:23:21.620 It's for them.

00:23:23.620 And that, that's, that's, that's the way I see all, all of these things.

00:23:29.220 You know, I honor, I honor, I honor, I honor everybody who practices that ancestral veneration.

00:23:38.640 Out at Odinshof, which for those who don't know, is the Assetry Folk Assembly Church, just because that's a word that ordinary people understand here in, in, in Northern California.

00:23:52.340 Out at Odinshof, we have a, a food giveaway program for anybody who wants to come, you know, and anybody who needs food in that very rural, very poor part of the state.

00:24:07.080 And, you know, black lady came through every time. 1.00

00:24:11.980 And she was, she was always very, very neat, very quiet, didn't have a lot to say.

00:24:17.860 I really liked her because she brought along chocolates and stuff, which I kind of shared.

00:24:23.080 But, and then, then the local, the local left started giving us a ration of nonsense and, you know, saying a lot of things that weren't true, not getting our perspective right.

00:24:37.940 And at the next food giveaway, she drives up and she's kind of fidgeting in her seat.

00:24:43.600 And I think, okay, here it goes.

00:24:45.320 And she said, I understand that you only let white people in your church.

00:24:53.680 And I say, yes, ma'am, that's true, because it's an ancestral religion. 0.91

00:24:58.220 And she said, well, I don't think it's anybody's damn business to tell you who you can let in your church.

00:25:04.860 It's very easy.

00:25:06.020 And what ensued, what ensued was a discussion on native religions.

00:25:10.300 She says she talks to her ancestors every, every day.

00:25:13.920 She, she got it.

00:25:15.880 She gets it.

00:25:17.260 And she is richer for the fact that she gets what her heart tells her and what her ancestors expect of her.

00:25:25.740 And I respect that across the board, across the spectrum, you know.

00:25:30.660 Yeah.

00:25:31.280 So.

00:25:31.780 Yeah.

00:25:32.060 I mean, you can almost extend that conversation a bit to the issue of like, you know, native.

00:25:36.860 And of course, that's the title of your book, right?

00:25:38.440 A native European spirituality.

00:25:39.840 It's almost like this.

00:25:40.500 Europeans are always, I was colonial or we always went somewhere.

00:25:43.620 We're not original to somewhere, blah, blah, blah, all these things.

00:25:46.300 It's like, we don't, we don't even have a belief system of our own kind of thing.

00:25:49.060 And it's like, yeah, it did.

00:25:49.900 And I've shared my own story many, many times.

00:25:51.760 But obviously, like trying to find something, looking around in every corner, all over their different place, Mayan calendars and Aztec cultures.

00:25:59.080 And, you know, trying to just find something which is like, fine, it's interesting and inspirational and all those kinds of things.

00:26:05.840 But then, you know, after long, many, many years, it's like, oh, I got it right in my backyard.

00:26:11.680 Who knew?

00:26:12.700 You know, kind of thing.

00:26:13.620 And it speaks to that sad aspect of the fact that most people are not even taught about those kinds of things.

00:26:19.100 And that's really, you know, what I got attracted to as well.

00:26:21.360 It's like, this has to be shared.

00:26:22.960 We have to talk about this.

00:26:23.860 It has to be out there in common.

00:26:25.340 And you should say, there are so many parallels between different already ethnic groups within the European family that both have their own unique ways, but also, you know, tremendous similarities as well.

00:26:36.480 This is for us.

00:26:37.720 It's from us.

00:26:39.880 It's ours.

00:26:40.600 It's exclusively ours.

00:26:42.020 If someone wants to look at it or find some, you know, meaning in that, too, who cares?

00:26:46.620 As you said, that's fine.

00:26:47.520 But at the end of the day, this is ours, Steve.

00:26:50.500 It's for us.

00:26:51.200 Yep.

00:26:52.740 Yep.

00:26:53.920 So tell us a little bit about the significance of the spear, the mythology.

00:26:59.960 I was starting to look into that, too.

00:27:01.580 I found some kind of interesting things there.

00:27:03.120 But actually, you know, the spear was thrown in battle.

00:27:07.220 I think you mentioned that one of the first battles, right, between the Vanir and the Osir, the first war, as it was called.

00:27:14.120 And I went down even an etymological trail and things like that, that even the word G-E-R or G-A-R, ger or gar, actually comes from the word of spear, if you will, which would get, obviously, the word German from, right?

00:27:30.800 Spear man, essentially.

00:27:32.920 And there's all these kinds of variations in people.

00:27:34.700 Even garlic, I think, right, G-A-R, they said it actually looks like a sphere.

00:27:39.020 If you look at a garlic, hence that, you know, got that name and things like that, it's kind of interesting.

00:27:43.220 But what can you say about the spear?

00:27:45.820 Well, the more I thought about Odin slash Wotan, and the more I thought about his character and his personality and those things with which he's associated, the more I could understand the spear in that connection.

00:28:04.140 Like Wotan slash Odin, the spear has two characteristics or two implications, shall we say.

00:28:17.080 On the one hand, it is the spear of fury for, as you pointed out at the beginning of a battle, you know, the Vikings or whoever would hurl the spear. 0.52

00:28:32.280 Where the stories are, you know, over the enemy host.

00:28:36.380 I think you'd have to have one hell of an arm to do that.

00:28:38.920 Maybe the guy in the front row, who knows.

00:28:41.160 But the idea was to replicate that mythic experience of the war between the Aesir and the Vanir, where Odin threw the spear over them at, quote, the first battle in the world, unquote.

00:28:56.520 But it's also connected with wisdom because of Odin's ordeal on the world tree, where he hung on the tree, pierced by a spear for nine days and nights with no bread, no water, no mead to win the secret of the runes.

00:29:20.000 And actually, the word rune, if you follow it back, actually pretty much means secret.

00:29:24.260 So we're talking about the secrets of the cosmos.

00:29:28.380 As there's a verse about that in the Haufelmael, I know that I hung on a windswept tree, nights all nine, wounded by the guard, given myself to myself.

00:29:44.720 They gave me no bread, nor drinking horn.

00:29:47.540 I looked down, I took up runes, roaring, I took them, and fell back again.

00:29:55.980 I'm a little bit off on some of that, but basically, that's the story.

00:30:00.560 This is how Odin won wisdom.

00:30:04.200 So it's all about wisdom, just as in another respect, it is all about fury.

00:30:12.320 And that shows not just the two sides of the spear, but the two sides of him as well.

00:30:19.860 Now, we have seen in recent history, well, recent by some standards, we have seen his furious aspect.

00:30:31.220 Now, we must find his wisdom aspect.

00:30:35.620 And that takes us back to Herr Dr. Jung and so forth.

00:30:39.640 Well, explain that a bit more.

00:30:43.540 Why?

00:30:44.020 Fury, anger, rage, essentially, right?

00:30:46.980 Without proper guidance, essentially.

00:30:49.160 That's how I understand it, right?

00:30:50.060 Proper direction is, of course, just, well, chaos.

00:30:55.280 War is chaos of sorts, right?

00:30:56.680 But you've got to pick your battles, in a sense, right?

00:30:59.460 You've got to know what you're fighting for, the way you're fighting.

00:31:02.140 Exactly.

00:31:03.400 Exactly.

00:31:04.340 Exactly.

00:31:05.060 You're absolutely locked on, all mad.

00:31:07.260 You're absolutely correct.

00:31:08.320 To give the background, Jung wrote an essay simply called Wotan, which he published in, I think, 1934.

00:31:16.160 And he was analyzing the developments in Germany, you know, the rise of the Reich and, you know, all the tumult there.

00:31:24.720 He was looking at that as a manifestation of the, quote, Wotan archetype, because Jung supposedly did not think of Wotan

00:31:37.720 as an actual deity, you know, as a consciousness, as a vital force, but rather just as a archetypal symbol in the unconscious of the Germanic peoples.

00:31:49.700 So, so, so he saw it in that psychological terms, but he, he, he nevertheless connected it as a manifestation of the archetype of Wotan, the image of Wotan in the collective unconscious.

00:32:03.320 And he, he, he says that with the rise of, of, of, of, of the NSDAP and so forth, what we saw there was the furious aspect of Wotan. 0.96

00:32:17.320 And he says that that was what applied basically all the way through the, the, the end of the Second World War.

00:32:24.320 All of that was Wotan's fury. 0.69

00:32:27.320 It was his, his, his, his martial might, his insistence, his will to power, and so forth and so forth, that, that manifested through, through the German people.

00:32:39.320 But Jung predicted later, 1947, after the war, he wrote a, a revised version of the Wotan essay.

00:32:50.320 And his closing paragraph pointed out that next time we shall see Wotan's wisdom aspect.

00:32:59.320 And he says that, uh, in the coming years or decades that should manifest, uh, in, in the Germanic peoples.

00:33:09.320 I think he was spot on probably more so than he knew.

00:33:16.320 I mean, I don't think he was trying to be a prophet, but I believe that that is where we're at now.

00:33:23.320 We have seen Wotan's furious aspect.

00:33:27.320 He has thrown the spear over the enemy host and ensuing battles.

00:33:34.320 Next, we see his wisdom aspect.

00:33:39.320 And that is the aspect that I believe will lead our people, the European descended people, to a higher destiny and to a secure position.

00:33:56.320 It will cure us of our ills, so to speak.

00:33:59.320 He predicted that that would happen.

00:34:01.320 And I think that we are witnessing it.

00:34:03.320 But I'll go a step farther and say, not only are we witnessing it, but we can make that happen.

00:34:10.320 We need to fulfill that.

00:34:13.320 Call it a prophecy.

00:34:16.320 I don't think he thought that he was a prophet, but let's, let's, let's, let's take it, take it as such.

00:34:22.320 Let's, let's say that we are here in this day and age to fulfill that prophecy.

00:34:30.320 And all of us who are part of this larger movement, all of those, those of us who, who fight for the existence of our people,

00:34:39.320 whether, whether we follow Wotan every Wednesday or not, we could be good Christians.

00:34:47.320 We could be atheists, we could be agnostics, but deep within us is that quote archetype, that manifestation, which will lead us to victory.

00:34:59.320 Basically, although I'm sure Jung had no idea this is what he was doing.

00:35:04.320 Herr Jung pointed out a way, a way to success, a way to victory for the European descended peoples.

00:35:16.320 And it's something we can call on.

00:35:20.320 It's something we can have help us and guide us.

00:35:23.320 Because again, going back to that, it's, it's easy to look around today and just be distraught and feel despair, anger,

00:35:30.320 obviously the rage and everything that happens.

00:35:32.320 And, and that's understandable.

00:35:34.320 It's all well and good.

00:35:35.320 The frustrations comes from a point of accuracy or the origins of that is, is 100% understandable.

00:35:41.320 But we have, it has to be directed, right?

00:35:43.320 It has to be harnessed and we have to hone that.

00:35:46.320 We have to choose what kind of battles we take.

00:35:49.320 It's so easy today to get, you know, strung up into something which could just get you in trouble.

00:35:54.320 I mean, I don't want to, again, I want this to kind of remain more about the topic and spirituality and all these kinds of things.

00:35:58.320 Right.

00:35:59.320 I just look at, just look at the J6, some of the defendants there, those who were indicted and prosecuted and sentenced now, you know, 17 years is 22 years and stuff. 0.97

00:36:08.320 And okay, they're, they're fighting back.

00:36:09.320 They're doing something here, but it was also very, it was a very in the moment type spur.

00:36:15.320 They were kind of a, you know, just the way they walked in without really thinking about these kinds of things.

00:36:19.320 Right.

00:36:20.320 It might not be the best analogy, but it's just the closest one I can, I can think of.

00:36:24.320 And maybe people can understand that, but it's like, you can't just, you can't just do things and expect the system to like, Oh, Oh yeah.

00:36:31.320 I know you made a mistake and drop, you know, like our enemies, they're out to get us.

00:36:35.320 Like they will say, don't put a crosshair unnecessarily on your back.

00:36:39.320 If you don't have to, you have to pick those bad.

00:36:41.320 You have to be wise, right?

00:36:42.320 You have to be smart about this.

00:36:44.320 Uh, timing is part of it as well.

00:36:46.320 Right.

00:36:47.320 Of, of not doing things too early, not doing things too late.

00:36:50.320 It's, it's very hard.

00:36:51.320 It's, it's, it's very hard.

00:36:52.320 But what I'm saying is that those are the kinds of moments when you need to kind of let, let it, um, how do I put this?

00:36:59.320 Pass it onto something greater than ourselves.

00:37:02.320 Do something like something which call that in the guidance, essentially a wisdom and a guidance, right?

00:37:08.320 That that's how I see it anyway.

00:37:11.320 Right, right.

00:37:12.320 Um, you know, it's perhaps it's, it's, it's probably more useful in a fight to be the, the, the cool tempered guy.

00:37:19.320 You know, not, not just a furious guy, but even if he's big and strong and wants to get out there and just start throwing, throwing punches.

00:37:25.320 I mean, he's going to wear himself out. 0.99

00:37:28.320 He's going to do something stupid and break his hand. 0.99

00:37:31.320 But yeah, the, the guy who plans the guy, the guy who thinks is the one who's going to win the fight. 1.00

00:37:38.320 So I think that.

00:37:40.320 Just as we have seen Wotan's ferocious aspect.

00:37:46.320 Now we see his wisdom aspect, but it is the same for us in our approach to the outside world.

00:37:53.320 We need to use wisdom.

00:37:55.320 It's not enough to be angry.

00:37:57.320 It's not enough to, to be pissed off and, you know, and want to rail and go on and, you know, do the X and Y and Z.

00:38:04.320 Accelerationism, bad idea, bad idea, um, and wisdom.

00:38:13.320 You had it.

00:38:14.320 Yeah.

00:38:15.320 You had a passage.

00:38:16.320 I think you put it on your telegram, right?

00:38:18.320 It was like, if there's one, if there's one thing you can do, uh, it's get, have a, have a family.

00:38:23.320 Right.

00:38:24.320 I see a lot of young men today that I, again, I understand their anger and frustration, but it feels like they're casting that away at the chance to just, you know, I don't know, stand around and scream at somebody or whatever.

00:38:34.320 And it's like, you can have a, you try to have a family that is still, I, I'm torn.

00:38:40.320 I have to say I'm torn all the time.

00:38:42.320 And it's like, Oh, I'm not also saying just keep your mouth shut and, and work or work for the system and make money.

00:38:47.320 There's other ways we can do this.

00:38:49.320 Other ways you can work to improve our people and our folk and having families, having children, educating them in the right way, thinking of, you know, multiple generations down the line.

00:38:58.320 It's that part is really about giving up something of ourselves.

00:39:01.320 So of not having that instant gratification of fulfilling our need to just, you know, vent our anger, but to actually plan this out.

00:39:10.320 Right.

00:39:11.320 Yes, absolutely.

00:39:13.320 Exactly.

00:39:14.320 My point.

00:39:15.320 Exactly.

00:39:16.320 Couldn't have said it better.

00:39:17.320 So I also want to mention this point, right?

00:39:21.320 I see, as I said, but kind of baked into this.

00:39:25.320 And the idea of Wotan or Odin is, is this idea, as you said before, becoming of, of becoming more like him of improving ourselves.

00:39:34.320 It's of evolution, if that's the right word for it.

00:39:37.320 But part of that is because no one is in this worldview.

00:39:41.320 No one is coming to save us.

00:39:42.320 No one is doing the job for us, whether that's believing in somebody else or, you know, giving all of that up.

00:39:47.320 It's about us becoming something right and becoming more, striving to become better.

00:39:52.320 It's obviously about inspiration.

00:39:55.320 We have to have the wisdom and the strength and all those kinds of things.

00:39:58.320 But if we don't do it, nobody will.

00:40:01.320 Do you want to say anything about that?

00:40:03.320 Yes, I think it's absolutely correct.

00:40:06.320 We have incredible potential, each and every one of us.

00:40:13.320 And Odin Wotan is an example, a manifestation of that. 0.75

00:40:21.320 He's not saying to us, get down on your knees and grovel before me.

00:40:25.320 He's saying, get up off your knees, become like me, become wiser, become stronger, become more perceptive, become more in control of who and what you are.

00:40:40.320 And that wisdom aspect, it's a broad spectrum.

00:40:44.320 I mean, you can have very common wisdom, which is a good thing.

00:40:48.320 And you can have more exotic forms, more esoteric forms of wisdom that are also good things.

00:40:55.320 Most of the people I know do some form of meditation or spiritual exercises.

00:41:02.320 It applies to everything about us.

00:41:06.320 You know, we need to work out.

00:41:08.320 People need to be doing their pushups and moving iron. 0.99

00:41:11.320 People need to be jogging, running, whatever.

00:41:14.320 All of that is part of it.

00:41:17.320 But also, we've got to get brighter.

00:41:20.320 We've got to get better what we do, better what we do with this.

00:41:24.320 And just in the sense of intelligence and thoughtfulness.

00:41:29.320 And then there is that more esoteric aspect of meditation and various spiritual exercises that one can do.

00:41:40.320 And all of that matters.

00:41:42.320 All of that's important.

00:41:44.320 But it's a complete spectrum.

00:41:46.320 You know, we are complex beings, us humans.

00:41:51.320 And there's a broad variety of things we can do to be better.

00:41:57.320 Do what we do better.

00:42:00.320 100%.

00:42:01.320 Yeah, here's the...

00:42:02.320 Let me read this, the Wotan essay there.

00:42:05.320 1947, Carl Jung, right?

00:42:07.320 Wotan must, in time, reveal not only the restless, violent, stormy side of his character,

00:42:12.320 but also his ecstatic and mantic qualities.

00:42:15.320 A very different aspect of his nature.

00:42:18.320 If this conclusion is correct, national socialism would not be the last word.

00:42:23.320 As you said before, things must be concealed in the background which we cannot imagine at present.

00:42:28.320 But we expect them to appear in the course of the next few years or decades.

00:42:33.320 Then also, or then at last, we shall know what Wotan is saying when he murmurs with Mimish Mimish head, right? 0.56

00:42:42.320 Which comes from, of course, the Mimish Brunn, right? 1.00

00:42:45.320 The source of wisdom, essentially, right?

00:42:48.320 Which is where...

00:42:50.320 Yeah, Odin sacrificed one of his eyes to the well in exchange for a drink, right?

00:42:55.320 Right.

00:42:56.320 So it's a lot of that, again, I'd say, I mean, that's kind of an overlap, of course, with other things,

00:43:01.320 a lot of it is about sacrifice as well, of giving yourself, whether it's to gain that wisdom or knowledge, right?

00:43:06.320 And the way I see the runes that you mentioned before, it's almost this idea,

00:43:11.320 it's with a language or with an ability to communicate in the way they did,

00:43:16.320 to pass on knowledge, essentially, with a written language.

00:43:19.320 And there's been many versions of it.

00:43:21.320 But that's something that changes everything from a historical perspective of human progress, right?

00:43:27.320 Of us being able to take down languages, pass on information and stuff.

00:43:32.320 Language has changed everything, essentially, for humans, right?

00:43:35.320 It's kind of like a fire, but for our intellect of sorts.

00:43:40.320 Yes, yes, yes.

00:43:42.320 It shapes what we do and it shapes the way we think.

00:43:45.320 You know, what you think on the inside and the way you verbalize that, there's that whole relationship.

00:43:53.320 You know, how do you express your innermost thoughts and concepts?

00:44:00.320 Yeah.

00:44:01.320 Absolutely.

00:44:02.320 So, a little bit later, I want to talk about the four tasks for all people that you have in the book.

00:44:07.320 You know, talking about awakening, self-determination, immortality and destiny,

00:44:12.320 which of course is the most important thing.

00:44:13.320 What's our vision here?

00:44:14.320 Where are we going ultimately?

00:44:15.320 Yes.

00:44:16.320 And as we, as Europeans, especially with this kind of need for exploration, an expression of a Faustian spirit, if you will,

00:44:24.320 must have something to strive for, to unlock, to solve, to overcome of sorts, right?

00:44:30.320 And that's very important.

00:44:31.320 But we are going to take a short break right here.

00:44:33.320 I think it's a good time to do that.

00:44:35.320 I want to plug the book a little bit more, obviously.

00:44:37.320 I'm going to show where people can get that.

00:44:38.320 We want to talk about your websites before we take a short break.

00:44:40.320 And then we're going to continue in part two.

00:44:42.320 But you have a couple of websites here, obviously.

00:44:44.320 Let me show those on screen.

00:44:46.320 So we've got them.

00:44:47.320 StephenMcNallan.com.

00:44:48.320 And that's really where the main shop and store is, right?

00:44:52.320 For getting a copy of the book, correct?

00:44:54.320 Yes.

00:44:55.320 Very good.

00:44:57.320 It's up there right now.

00:44:58.320 The Spear.

00:44:59.320 It's a great, it's a fantastic book.

00:45:01.320 I've just really been enjoying it over the last few days, guys.

00:45:04.320 So definitely pick up a copy if you're interested in this.

00:45:06.320 You have some other ones on the websites, too, of course.

00:45:08.320 Also to a native European spirituality, if you're new to this.

00:45:11.320 I also like, remember, there was many years ago we talked about that, but the philosophy of metagenetics,

00:45:15.320 which is, again, kind of an undercurrent here of our differences and how genetics really affects us and why we're different of sorts as well,

00:45:24.320 and tying that into the idea of our folk and folkism and things like that.

00:45:28.320 What are some of the other places, too?

00:45:30.320 Do you want to mention a couple of words now?

00:45:33.320 We can talk more about it in detail later, but VotonNetwork.com.

00:45:36.320 VotonNetwork is a sort of philosophical insurgency, a spiritual insurgency, so to speak.

00:45:45.320 It is, at this point, not highly organized.

00:45:48.320 It was a very spontaneous thing.

00:45:51.320 I think that we're going to be tightening up a few things.

00:45:55.320 It would be fair to consider the Spear as almost the field manual for VotonNetwork.

00:46:03.320 VotonNetwork is designed to give honor to the one-eyed one and to promote our people.

00:46:15.320 It is something that works through a variety of media, everything from memes, books like the Spear, episodes we call Voton on the Peaks,

00:46:29.320 which is where a person or several people will climb a mountain or a tall hill.

00:46:37.320 Some people don't have mountains.

00:46:41.320 And at the top, pour a horn of suitable drink to him and to the existence of our folk.

00:46:51.320 And then they go back and then they tell the rest of us that they have done this.

00:46:57.320 And what we get is a sort of spiritual activism on a major scale.

00:47:03.320 And the Wotan on the Peaks is only one example of that.

00:47:06.320 There are other things that people can do as well.

00:47:09.320 And, you know, it's a bit of activism, but kind of a different activism, largely with a spiritual impulse to it.

00:47:19.320 We do a lot of things with runes and with subtle ways of communicating our message and so forth.

00:47:27.320 It's our motive resistance against, well, it's our revolt against the modern world, as Julius Evola would have put it.

00:47:37.320 Exactly.

00:47:38.320 You've got to seed these ideas.

00:47:40.320 You've got to begin, you know, somewhere.

00:47:42.320 There's a resurgence of this as the resurgence of other belief systems.

00:47:47.320 I think a lot of our people are just looking for something, you know what I mean?

00:47:52.320 A lot of people know that that's really been removed the last, well, the last two generations or so.

00:47:57.320 It's just gotten worse and worse, as you mentioned at the beginning, with the degeneracy, the nihilism, the, you know, we're all an accident.

00:48:03.320 You know, the scientific type of worldviews that we're getting.

00:48:07.320 And it's highly important to get something which anchors us, you know what I mean?

00:48:11.320 And I think it's just something that more or less kind of clicks in people, you know what I mean?

00:48:14.320 They feel if it's right for them fairly early on.

00:48:17.320 Maybe some people can read their way into it or something like that, but I think it's a very intuitive process, you know what I mean?

00:48:22.320 At least it was for me.

00:48:23.320 There are a lot of things that people can do.

00:48:25.320 A lot of things that people can do.

00:48:27.320 Instead of just sitting back and complaining about it, there's a whole program of things that people can do to actually influence the world around them.

00:48:37.320 And that's what it's about, is influencing the world around us.

00:48:40.320 That's what we have to do.

00:48:41.320 We have to have a culture of resistance, which actually is a term that was instituted on the left.

00:48:48.320 But hey, we can steal that.

00:48:51.320 A culture of resistance in symbols, in folklore, in mythology, in the way that we are, in the way that we influence the world around us.

00:49:06.320 That's what throwing the spear is, is to throw the spear is to do something constructive and useful for the existence of our people.

00:49:15.320 Beautiful.

00:49:16.320 The Votan Network is on Telegram as well, so you can find them there.

00:49:20.320 It's simply t.me forward slash the Votan Network.

00:49:22.320 But again, check out the website, votannetwork.com.

00:49:24.320 Then you have Steven's personal Telegram as well, Steven underscore A underscore McNallan.

00:49:29.320 We'll have these linked up below, guys.

00:49:31.320 And you're on Twitter as well.

00:49:33.320 That's good.

00:49:34.320 I'm glad you weren't one of the banned ones.

00:49:35.320 We'll see what happens under Musk's leadership.

00:49:36.320 All over the place.

00:49:38.320 Good stuff.

00:49:39.320 And then, of course, the main website, StevenMcNallan.com.

00:49:42.320 Check that out, guys.

00:49:43.320 Very good stuff.

00:49:44.320 All right.

00:49:45.320 We'll take a real short break here, guys.

00:49:47.320 Stay with us.

00:49:48.320 We'll be right back after this.

00:49:50.320 We have a fantastic part two coming up with Steven McNallan to talk about direction, self-determination, immortality, and the destiny and will for the future of our folk.

00:50:07.320 We talk about one of the many goals that our folk need to put our mind towards to propel ourselves forward to the next level.

00:50:15.320 Strangely, I'd argue it's less about the end result of that goal.

00:50:20.320 And it's about actually setting our sights on something that is essentially impossible.

00:50:25.320 And we have to overcome it, solve it, crack it, and become more and become better as a race and as a people in the process.

00:50:34.320 We've had these things throughout history, right, where we overcome certain things, certain obstacles, do the impossible.

00:50:41.320 We also talked about the runes, their origins and significance today, what they represent and how they were acquired.

00:50:47.320 And, of course, what it means to take up the spear.

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00:53:11.320 On Odin.

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Red Ice TV - September 08, 2023

Take Up The Spear - Stephen McNallen

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