In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine to talk about race, religion, and culture in America. We talk about how race and religion go hand in hand, and what it means to be a Christian in the 21st century.
00:00:10.760I guess you could use that word for me.
00:00:14.240This is a good conversation I'd love to get into with you.
00:00:16.880I have a Christian background, and then I just explored a lot of my pre-Christian heritage and learned that, oh, wow, there's a lot of synchronicities there that make sense and have bled into Christianity.
00:00:30.300That's one of the mottos we have here, though, is folk first.
00:00:33.840And I noticed that on the right, this is a huge topic, right?
00:00:38.460Like, you can't be America first unless you're a Christian.
00:00:45.080I think we need to put our people first.
00:00:47.500I think that there's a reason why our founding fathers also separated church and states.
00:00:51.740I mean, looking at Europe and how all the different Christian branches fought each other and persecuted each other and fighting and killing and warring.
00:01:12.840So I actually have a really maybe interesting answer.
00:01:15.940I've really thought long and hard about this question because Officer Talmud, also known as Talmud Tatum, he wrote on a post that I had about how if America ceases to be white, it won't be America.
00:01:30.140And he said, I was crazy, that America is about being Christian.
00:02:53.200And if God called you to minister to the Congo, we would have your goodbye parties today because you're probably going to be raped and murdered, especially a beautiful blonde woman like yourself.
00:03:14.000Well, Jesus Christ, unlike Africans, Africans have a philosophy of looking to the past.
00:03:22.540It's their ancestors and they look backwards.
00:03:25.280And they also have an idea of they have a dishonest culture about lying, which is why even African prominent people go always get medical work done in Europe, in the United States, because they're based upon, look, whatever you can to get ahead, you have to do and that you are honored.
00:03:40.620The bad, like even if you have to trick people to get ahead, it's sort of Indians have a similar culture.
00:03:44.040If you're dishonest and you lie and you're cheating, you steal to get ahead.
00:03:46.580You having all the stuff is you get the respect and you're it doesn't matter how you got there.
00:04:32.260And being a bad member of society and claiming Christ is kind of an embarrassment on Christianity as a whole.
00:04:38.060But a lot of people have received Christianity.
00:04:42.280But what you've seen is, is like so then let's talk about the other aspect of of of nations that have been traditionally pagan like Sweden.
00:05:23.000I have a lot of Christian friends that do and they understand like how winter solstice has become part of, you know, Christmas and Easter and like the change in the seasons and how that's become holidays and all that.
00:05:33.960So I think that there can be unity if people put their race first.
00:05:40.060But what we see is a lot of Christians, they don't do that.
00:05:43.640So you're up against that battle of that, you know, not only the Christian Zionist right, but the ones who won't just put their people first because they think it's racist and that's not part of their religion.
00:05:58.320No, but it's not supposed to be and this is why like I am like more aligned with Orthodox, which is – understands racial components and they do – they're fully understanding.
00:06:07.320That's why even our churches are broken down by race.
00:06:11.180It's like Antiochian, Greek, Egyptian, Russian.
00:06:14.180Like it's actually broken down by racial identity actually.
00:06:16.820That's kind of insane but there is a – they realize that race conflicts and the reason why is – my argument is this.
00:06:23.420You can build a society on paganism alone.
00:06:27.460You cannot build a society on Christianity alone but you can build a Christian society on top of a pagan society.
00:06:34.280And the reason why that's possible is because like I saw a Haitian woman that was on video with a trashy house like that with a cross on the wall telling the police this is not how we did things in Haiti.
00:06:45.620So what's cool is that if you talk about Marcus Aurelius who was kind of a depressed man in my opinion, he said that the value of virtue is virtue in and of itself, right?
00:06:53.860He was not a Christian and he talks about this idea of living for good because the value of good is the value.
00:07:01.660If you're given to vice and you live a licentious life, you will have pain and suffering.
00:07:17.540That's what's turning everyone gay and trans is pornography.
00:07:19.680If you do drink too much alcohol, you die of cirrhosis.
00:07:22.400It's like the punishment doesn't need morality.
00:07:24.400The punishment is built into the laws of the system and I understand that.
00:07:27.820Now, that's why Western society is built on paganism.
00:07:31.700It's not built on Judeo-Christian ideas and Joel Berry and stuff gets really like, yeah, see?
00:07:36.640I told you everyone's going to become pagan.
00:07:38.120It's like, no, what you're seeing is that people realize that people like you who just told us Christianity is the only thing.
00:07:43.000There's an entire history of ours that have been erased and robbed from us that was built upon fundamental philosophical ideas that required you, whether you were Christian or not, which wasn't even really a big faith at the time, whether it hadn't existed, right?
00:07:59.320Like, you needed to be a good person for a good person's sake and a good society should be a good society for the benefit and the joy.
00:08:05.600Beauty is beautiful for the sake of beauty.
00:08:08.000Like, it is a really – it's a masterful concept, guys.
00:08:11.720The pagan history is enormously important to us and very beautiful.
00:08:16.080And that's why I'm – unlike Joel Berry, I'm friends with pagans and I find their respect for beauty.
00:08:20.480I can get along better with a white pagan than with a black Christian because why?
00:08:24.880Because our daily life is built on philosophy and principle, not built upon what you read in your Bible in the morning.
00:08:32.220However, I believe that Christ is needed for a lot of men's lives because I think that that's – I think pagan cultures go towards decay.
00:08:39.820And I think that my opinion is that the mix of Christianity and their pagan roots is what not only founded Christianity, right, because the pilgrims came for freedom.
00:08:51.640There was this idea of religious autonomy that is built into America.
00:08:55.040We are built upon the seeking of individual liberty.
00:08:58.440Religious freedom because all the Christians are killing each other.
00:09:49.980What I don't like is when people say it wasn't until 2,000 years ago with, you know, ideas of Christ that then we became moral people and found our values.
00:09:59.680I think that's a slap in the face to our ancestors, and it just historically is not true.
00:10:04.260We had a code of ethics and morals and a way of being.
00:10:08.340We figured out a lot of what makes us happy and prosperous in life and what makes us fulfilled before, you know, the Ten Commandments comes, right?
00:10:16.660And then there's the whole Jewish conundrum that, you know, people fight.
00:10:28.500I'm not a stranger to any of it, but it just doesn't speak to me.
00:10:33.500And I think a lot of what's in the Bible is, yeah, sure, you can't have a religion without there being good, important truths in there, of course.
00:10:44.080But I think that there's a lot of mythologies.
00:10:46.420You know, I did a post on this yesterday, and people freaked out.
00:10:49.980I don't think that Jesus was born of a virgin or walked on water, you know, all the other stories in the Bible.
00:10:56.120I think people take it way too literally, you know.
00:10:59.180I don't think Thor is actually behind, you know, creating the lightning, you know, I think some of these things we mythologize, like in the work of, you know, Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung, it's important to mythologize things as where humans are trying to understand culture and behavior and dynamics and figure out our place in the world and our relationship to something, something higher.
00:11:21.820And so I'm not, I'm not crapping all over, all over that.
00:11:25.480I just think that we have to kind of step back and look at these things from a time when they were, when they were written, like what was going on in their minds?
00:11:35.440What were things that they were trying to think of at that time?
00:11:39.280The answer to what the pagan Christian thing is, is that I believe that Christianity really allowed the expansionism of America, of the West, because A, we were able to bring civilization.
00:11:51.620We had a motive to try to, I think actually colonialism was kind of a mistake.
00:11:55.760We shouldn't have civilized the world.
00:12:38.840And I think if we can't have, I mean, even Christians are fighting with each other over, you know, calling Fuentes a pagan because of his Catholicism and these different Christian branches.
00:12:49.200And they're fighting and then, you know, certain pagans, you're not doing it exactly the right way.
00:12:54.640And it's like, for fuck's sake, people, if we can't even get this together, how are we going to take our countries back and unify as a race?
00:13:02.280Why can't we just be as simple as some of these Browns that are just like mo' race?
00:13:06.960You know, why are we so complicated and so complex and so nuanced that we have to fight?
00:13:11.620Like is now the time, now the time for that, you know?
00:13:15.260Yeah, well, I was going to say, I think, I'm going to look at it like this.
00:13:22.480Christians need to begin to respect the fact that we were built upon pagan ideas and philosophical ideas that we're devoid of Christ.
00:13:31.980And yet a lot of our history was integrated with Christ and pagans need to realize that that is a, we both have interlocked history that one cannot deny exists, okay?
00:13:42.400One cannot deny that there is a very serious Christian portion of our history and a very serious pagan portion of our history.
00:13:47.960And they are both integral to where we are today.
00:13:50.360Whether you like where we are today, obviously I'm talking about more leading up to World War II.
00:13:55.080Post-World War II is a different situation.
00:13:57.100Now, once we accept that we are both integral in building the civilization to where it's at, I think we need to know this.
00:14:05.900Race is the most important concept because philosophy is the most likely determining factor of what your daily life will look like and what your interactions will be like.
00:14:17.120And that you could have a non-Christian all-white area, a state like Mississippi, but there's so many blacks there that it just can never get ahead.
00:14:25.080And you could find a very liberal, godless state like New Hampshire.
00:14:28.220And while, of course, they do weird stuff with sexual things with kids, it's a much better state to live in in terms of just like transportation and job opportunities and income and education.
00:14:37.500Now, so it's kind of like how do we mix Mississippi and New Hampshire together, right?
00:14:40.560Like that's kind of what we're asking.
00:14:41.940How do you take like a free state where there's a lot of pros to being in Mississippi?
00:14:48.020They just kind of have different strengths.
00:14:49.440I think this, Christians need to realize that we are our worst enemy right now, that the biggest supporter of the downfall of America are evangelical Christians that are supporting the Zionization of our nation.
00:15:01.760And we need to admit that that's the problem.
00:15:03.760I also think that pagans need to admit too that a lot of times people have associated paganism with atheism or paganism as a form of nihilism and godlessness.
00:15:14.400And that because of our Christian roots, people don't realize that, you know, I think pagans should rebrand as philosophical dogmas or philosophical authoritarians or autocrats.
00:15:25.360Like we're coming at things from a Hellenistic Roman, like we're still asking you to be virtuous, right?
00:15:31.920Like it's like, hey, we hold the same principles.
00:15:37.180I mean the pagans – sorry to interrupt.
00:15:38.380The pagans that I know are the most stand-up people with families, they love their folk, they have, you know, good businesses, their life is in order, you know.
00:15:49.740The difference with them is that they don't need like a rule book that's between, you know, this chapter and this chapter.
00:15:58.600To me, that's – I have a problem with dogmatic, indoctrinated Christians that think that like God is only between these covers and anything outside of that is satanic and idolatry and you're going to hell.
00:16:11.000No, I completely reject that kind of mentality.
00:16:14.360My parents are Christians and, you know, they don't even think like that.
00:16:18.200But in this whole idea that pagans don't have morals or they're just, you know, doing drugs and having orgies all the time, like they're getting a lot of these ideas from, you know, Hollywood movies or they see a couple –
00:16:32.040You know, yeah, Jewish movies or they see some LARPing, you know, furry who also is like at the – I don't know, some like fair that's like some pagan festival or something or Renaissance fair or whatever.
00:16:43.040But look at what's happening also in the Christian church.
00:16:46.220Like it's like – it's like there's a pagan LARP that's like, oh, I'm a witch and a wizard.
00:16:50.220It's like – that's like – like I was going to say I think that we need to realize that people think paganism means atheism or nihilism and so they see it as a rejection not of God but of morality.
00:17:01.360And I think that even Joel Berry is constantly kind of pointing it as that.
00:17:05.100It's all about the gods and even Valhalla and the different realms and the ubermensch and the hero's journey becoming the best –
00:17:30.680Christ is redeemed, but Christians need to – I'm going to call out my own people saying, like me, I'm just coming to really follow my faith.
00:17:39.980Christianity needs to be also a real change where you have your faith in Christ, but Christ needs to lead you to repentance, needs to lead you towards change, towards actually living a lifestyle of rigorous discipline.
00:17:49.580And to actually live a life of seeking beauty and greatness and establishing a family.
00:17:57.180You can't just be like, yeah, I'm a Christian.
00:17:59.020I'll just go to confession on Saturday and then I'll go sleep with a prostitute on Tuesday.
00:18:03.460You got to be like, he who is in me is greater than he who is in the world.
00:18:06.200And I think there needs to be – pagans need to respect those kinds of Christians who are actually living out their faith and not using it as an excuse to be evil or to be problematic.
00:18:15.020And I also think pagans need to realize that they have a branding problem because they live in a Christian society.
00:18:20.120And so they need to make sure that they are focused on living upstanding lives as well.
00:18:24.140And I think both sides, if we're focused on living upstanding lives, I believe personally, and I'm not trying to be universalist.
00:18:47.580And I think just like you guys believe paganism is being mischaracterized, Christianity has lost what it used to be.
00:18:52.900And it used to be a strong driving force and consistently is convoluted, just like pagans have gotten convoluted probably over time.
00:19:00.180And some of them did get weird with orgies and strange stuff, and it does today.
00:19:03.980Like if you really look at like – it's hard to say to people like, yeah, like Marcus was a pagan.
00:19:08.280And it's like he was a great man who Christians read to this day as inspiration.
00:19:12.720We need to be true to what our beliefs are.
00:19:15.480We need to not be hypocrites, and we need to realize – and I'm very unpopular in the Christian circles for this.
00:19:21.740You know, you will be safer in a white neighborhood than you would in a Christian mixed-race neighborhood because being forgiven for your sin doesn't mean that you aren't going to be sinning.
00:19:32.040And everyone does fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3.23.
00:19:34.740And some people just don't have IQ and nature or understanding or culture to be able to uphold the civility and the society that whites can uphold.
00:19:44.700And the moment that any country becomes minority white, you will see a Rhodesia to Zimbabwe pipeline, a South Africanization pipeline.
00:19:53.340Again, you – neglecting race is the downfall of white Christianity.
00:20:00.840And until we can get that back to realize it's for God and country, what does country mean?
00:20:05.300Country means the racial, ethnic makeup of your nation as defined by its civil order value.
00:20:10.060We used to say that forever in our nation, for God and country.
00:21:45.880Even if you're not a Christian, you should pick up the books of your ancestors and, you know, because beyond paganism, like, I'm not telling you you have to become, you know, follow Roman religion or Greek religion or Nordic religion.
00:21:57.280But, like, look at the philosophy of what built our nations and why did the pagan Scandinavians and the Hellenistic, you know, South and the Roman, you know, influenced Germanic world.
00:22:09.920Why did they all – why did they get out of the bog?
00:22:12.040Why did they get out of – you know, as they say, how did the white man get out of the bog kind of thing?
00:22:16.040It is through philosophy and through faith.
00:22:19.300But I do believe faith without philosophy is dead, which means it's another way of saying faith without works is dead.
00:22:56.020And I was one of the early people that explained what was going on, called crazy, and now I've been vindicated and everyone who threatened to sue me then has backed off.
00:23:03.420I'll just remind you, I'm the person who leaked the whole Hamptons meeting and actually got in trouble.
00:23:09.300That was an investigation with Candace Owens, Max Blumenthal, and myself.
00:23:12.540We came together and worked early on to get the information out.
00:23:15.260Now, I let Candace – gave Candace all my information.
00:23:18.800But that's how I want Christians and pagans to work together of like – I didn't go like, oh, I have information about Charlie Kirk that can prove that there was a conspiracy.
00:23:26.700Let me do it because it's about my show and my thing.
00:23:39.180And also let people call you the hell out.
00:23:42.460Like if pagans want to call Christians out on our hypocrisy or things, take that seriously and try to like answer them really and don't just call them, oh, you're going to hell and now you're pagan.
00:24:19.660But my trust is in God and I'm really grateful because for me what gives me hope is I believe that Christ has called me to maybe restore some sanity to the Christian world on the right and to kind of – to restore what it meant to be Christian, that it was supposed to be a position of strength, not of weakness.
00:24:39.740And, you know, you guys may be pagan and you might want to do the same thing because I think both of our value sets have been watered down and have been very much muddied into like – like you said, yours is like a LARP of like some fat polyamorous person.