Red Ice TV - The Christian vs Pagan Dilemma On The Right

00:00:00.000 And America also is European. 0.56

00:00:03.540 America is Western philosophy.

00:00:05.900 And I actually want to answer this.

00:00:07.460 You guys are pagans, right?

00:00:09.960 Yeah.

00:00:10.760 I guess you could use that word for me.

00:00:14.240 This is a good conversation I'd love to get into with you.

00:00:16.880 I have a Christian background, and then I just explored a lot of my pre-Christian heritage and learned that, oh, wow, there's a lot of synchronicities there that make sense and have bled into Christianity.

00:00:30.300 That's one of the mottos we have here, though, is folk first. 1.00

00:00:33.840 And I noticed that on the right, this is a huge topic, right?

00:00:38.460 Like, you can't be America first unless you're a Christian. 1.00

00:00:42.960 I don't agree with that.

00:00:45.080 I think we need to put our people first.

00:00:47.500 I think that there's a reason why our founding fathers also separated church and states.

00:00:51.740 I mean, looking at Europe and how all the different Christian branches fought each other and persecuted each other and fighting and killing and warring. 0.59

00:01:02.360 I just don't think that's the path.

00:01:04.140 I'm respectful of what others believe in, but I think that we have to put race before religion.

00:01:12.240 Yeah.

00:01:12.840 So I actually have a really maybe interesting answer.

00:01:15.940 I've really thought long and hard about this question because Officer Talmud, also known as Talmud Tatum, he wrote on a post that I had about how if America ceases to be white, it won't be America.

00:01:30.140 And he said, I was crazy, that America is about being Christian.

00:01:34.920 Now, this is a common question.

00:01:36.460 I hope this really answers this for a lot of people, and you guys might disagree.

00:01:39.140 I'd love to go down this path here.

00:01:41.380 But there's a big debate on the right, right?

00:01:43.820 Is America America because of white people or is it America because it has been Christian? 0.92

00:01:47.720 And I would say it's actually both pretty succinctly.

00:01:52.260 But you could have still built America without Christianity to an extent, not founded it. 0.98

00:01:58.180 But you also didn't – not everyone was Christian that founded it or moved on it.

00:02:03.380 But you did need to understand the ideas of Christianity to have a – it was important in forming our society, right?

00:02:09.980 That's like our value set was built out of Christian values, but it was built upon philosophy.

00:02:15.820 And so let me explain that.

00:02:16.980 So people will bring up it's Christian.

00:02:19.960 So those people, you know, you saw Charlie Kirk argue against one of our contributors here.

00:02:25.320 His name is Oz Pill online.

00:02:27.080 We're actually starting a Rift Australia if people don't know that, which is really cool.

00:02:30.200 A Rift AUS instead of Rift TV.

00:02:32.560 It's going to be called Rift Oz.

00:02:34.200 And I think we're going to maybe do a Rift UK.

00:02:36.360 So we kind of got some big things in the works here.

00:02:37.960 But I can answer this really cool.

00:02:42.260 So if you look at the Congo, the Congo is 98% Christian, but it's one of the most dangerous places in the world. 1.00

00:02:49.960 It's got a lot of problems.

00:02:51.420 And no Christians want to live there. 1.00

00:02:53.200 And if God called you to minister to the Congo, we would have your goodbye parties today because you're probably going to be raped and murdered, especially a beautiful blonde woman like yourself. 1.00

00:03:01.900 Respect your husband when I say that. 0.99

00:03:03.580 I just mean, you know, just like objective, you know, Aryan traits, you're going to be going to be murdered. 1.00

00:03:10.640 But so why is that not that America?

00:03:14.000 Well, Jesus Christ, unlike Africans, Africans have a philosophy of looking to the past. 1.00

00:03:22.540 It's their ancestors and they look backwards.

00:03:25.280 And they also have an idea of they have a dishonest culture about lying, which is why even African prominent people go always get medical work done in Europe, in the United States, because they're based upon, look, whatever you can to get ahead, you have to do and that you are honored. 0.99

00:03:40.620 The bad, like even if you have to trick people to get ahead, it's sort of Indians have a similar culture. 1.00

00:03:44.040 If you're dishonest and you lie and you're cheating, you steal to get ahead.

00:03:46.580 You having all the stuff is you get the respect and you're it doesn't matter how you got there.

00:03:50.900 Right.

00:03:51.300 So it's like that's how the black culture is. 0.99

00:03:52.860 You can shoot me to get my shoes. 0.98

00:03:54.000 But in America, it's the same way. 0.96

00:03:55.700 But you got the J's on. 0.60

00:03:56.820 Right.

00:03:57.160 And so that's really antithetical to Westernism.

00:03:59.620 So even though they have Christianity in in the Congo, they don't they don't have. 0.98

00:04:07.560 A standard for approaching life that can help them to build a society.

00:04:12.960 And by the way, I'm going to be very kind to you or not talk about IQ.

00:04:15.700 I'm very kind to you or not talk about, you know, a lot of things that are probably your audience is already familiar with.

00:04:21.580 But like fundamentally, just being a Christian doesn't make you a great contributor of society.

00:04:30.000 OK, and that's very true.

00:04:32.260 And being a bad member of society and claiming Christ is kind of an embarrassment on Christianity as a whole.

00:04:38.060 But a lot of people have received Christianity.

00:04:42.280 But what you've seen is, is like so then let's talk about the other aspect of of of nations that have been traditionally pagan like Sweden.

00:04:49.420 Right.

00:04:49.680 Or or I guess they've been Christian recently.

00:04:51.180 But, you know, at some point, Norway, just the the the the Scandinavian regions.

00:04:58.340 So, well, at least let's just say pagan history.

00:05:01.420 Right.

00:05:01.660 Yeah.

00:05:01.900 Greco-Roman civilization.

00:05:03.820 Yeah.

00:05:04.220 Or Scandinavian history.

00:05:05.780 Yeah.

00:05:06.100 You know, to me, that really is the the foundation.

00:05:08.780 We can't deny that we have a pre-Christian heritage and we should honor that.

00:05:12.040 Yes.

00:05:12.540 And respect that, that it's part of our civilization and our culture.

00:05:15.600 These are our peeps.

00:05:16.560 You know, it's our ancestors.

00:05:17.820 Yes.

00:05:17.920 You know, I might be one of the only Christians who says I deeply respect paganism.

00:05:22.500 No, no.

00:05:23.000 I have a lot of Christian friends that do and they understand like how winter solstice has become part of, you know, Christmas and Easter and like the change in the seasons and how that's become holidays and all that.

00:05:33.960 So I think that there can be unity if people put their race first.

00:05:40.060 But what we see is a lot of Christians, they don't do that. 0.65

00:05:43.640 So you're up against that battle of that, you know, not only the Christian Zionist right, but the ones who won't just put their people first because they think it's racist and that's not part of their religion.

00:05:56.120 It's a universalist religion, right?

00:05:58.320 No, but it's not supposed to be and this is why like I am like more aligned with Orthodox, which is – understands racial components and they do – they're fully understanding.

00:06:07.320 That's why even our churches are broken down by race. 1.00

00:06:11.180 It's like Antiochian, Greek, Egyptian, Russian.

00:06:14.180 Like it's actually broken down by racial identity actually.

00:06:16.820 That's kind of insane but there is a – they realize that race conflicts and the reason why is – my argument is this.

00:06:23.420 You can build a society on paganism alone. 0.91

00:06:27.460 You cannot build a society on Christianity alone but you can build a Christian society on top of a pagan society. 0.91

00:06:34.280 And the reason why that's possible is because like I saw a Haitian woman that was on video with a trashy house like that with a cross on the wall telling the police this is not how we did things in Haiti. 0.94

00:06:45.620 So what's cool is that if you talk about Marcus Aurelius who was kind of a depressed man in my opinion, he said that the value of virtue is virtue in and of itself, right?

00:06:53.860 He was not a Christian and he talks about this idea of living for good because the value of good is the value. 0.98

00:07:01.660 If you're given to vice and you live a licentious life, you will have pain and suffering.

00:07:06.080 You will have a disease.

00:07:07.060 You know what I mean?

00:07:07.380 Like it's like if you eat a lot, you get fat.

00:07:08.880 That's the punishment.

00:07:09.860 You have too much unprotected sex, you get an STD. 1.00

00:07:12.980 You know, if you do too much porn, you might turn trans or gay. 1.00

00:07:15.700 That's actually true. 0.99

00:07:16.940 People don't know that. 0.99

00:07:17.540 That's what's turning everyone gay and trans is pornography. 1.00

00:07:19.680 If you do drink too much alcohol, you die of cirrhosis. 0.99

00:07:22.400 It's like the punishment doesn't need morality.

00:07:24.400 The punishment is built into the laws of the system and I understand that.

00:07:27.820 Now, that's why Western society is built on paganism. 0.79

00:07:31.700 It's not built on Judeo-Christian ideas and Joel Berry and stuff gets really like, yeah, see?

00:07:36.640 I told you everyone's going to become pagan. 0.98

00:07:38.120 It's like, no, what you're seeing is that people realize that people like you who just told us Christianity is the only thing.

00:07:43.000 There's an entire history of ours that have been erased and robbed from us that was built upon fundamental philosophical ideas that required you, whether you were Christian or not, which wasn't even really a big faith at the time, whether it hadn't existed, right?

00:07:58.420 This is pre-Christ. 0.80

00:07:59.320 Like, you needed to be a good person for a good person's sake and a good society should be a good society for the benefit and the joy.

00:08:05.600 Beauty is beautiful for the sake of beauty.

00:08:08.000 Like, it is a really – it's a masterful concept, guys.

00:08:11.720 The pagan history is enormously important to us and very beautiful.

00:08:16.080 And that's why I'm – unlike Joel Berry, I'm friends with pagans and I find their respect for beauty.

00:08:20.480 I can get along better with a white pagan than with a black Christian because why? 1.00

00:08:24.880 Because our daily life is built on philosophy and principle, not built upon what you read in your Bible in the morning.

00:08:32.220 However, I believe that Christ is needed for a lot of men's lives because I think that that's – I think pagan cultures go towards decay. 1.00

00:08:39.820 And I think that my opinion is that the mix of Christianity and their pagan roots is what not only founded Christianity, right, because the pilgrims came for freedom.

00:08:51.640 There was this idea of religious autonomy that is built into America.

00:08:55.040 We are built upon the seeking of individual liberty. 0.97

00:08:58.440 Religious freedom because all the Christians are killing each other. 1.00

00:09:00.360 Correct, correct. 0.97

00:09:01.260 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:01.920 Like, they realized that there was problems with Christianity in Europe and they wanted to form a more perfect union per se.

00:09:08.160 But also early Christians didn't deny the principles of paganism and of early culture.

00:09:16.440 It's called the Protestant work ethic.

00:09:18.880 Like, they didn't just go like, oh, I'm a Christian and support Israel.

00:09:21.680 They're like, no, I am an Englishman.

00:09:25.460 They all sought race as a very important factor. 0.57

00:09:27.960 They wanted it to be Anglo-Celtic.

00:09:29.600 Like, they saw America as an Anglo-Celtic nation.

00:09:32.600 It was hard to even integrate the Germanic people, right?

00:09:34.980 They didn't like the Irish coming in. 0.82

00:09:36.800 Like, people don't realize they saw, yes, religious freedom, but built upon Anglo-Celtic values of hard-at-work ethic organization.

00:09:45.240 Look at the original cities they built.

00:09:46.480 They're all orderly and gridlocked.

00:09:48.280 And we had values.

00:09:49.280 Here's the thing.

00:09:49.980 What I don't like is when people say it wasn't until 2,000 years ago with, you know, ideas of Christ that then we became moral people and found our values.

00:09:59.680 I think that's a slap in the face to our ancestors, and it just historically is not true.

00:10:04.260 We had a code of ethics and morals and a way of being.

00:10:08.340 We figured out a lot of what makes us happy and prosperous in life and what makes us fulfilled before, you know, the Ten Commandments comes, right?

00:10:16.660 And then there's the whole Jewish conundrum that, you know, people fight.

00:10:20.700 Is Jesus a Jew? 0.72

00:10:21.720 Is he not?

00:10:22.480 He's actually Arian.

00:10:23.560 He's white.

00:10:24.240 He's these things. 0.96

00:10:25.140 I like synagogue of Satan. 0.88

00:10:26.620 I've heard all of these things.

00:10:28.500 I'm not a stranger to any of it, but it just doesn't speak to me.

00:10:33.500 And I think a lot of what's in the Bible is, yeah, sure, you can't have a religion without there being good, important truths in there, of course.

00:10:44.080 But I think that there's a lot of mythologies.

00:10:46.420 You know, I did a post on this yesterday, and people freaked out.

00:10:49.980 I don't think that Jesus was born of a virgin or walked on water, you know, all the other stories in the Bible.

00:10:56.120 I think people take it way too literally, you know.

00:10:59.180 I don't think Thor is actually behind, you know, creating the lightning, you know, I think some of these things we mythologize, like in the work of, you know, Joseph Campbell and Carl Jung, it's important to mythologize things as where humans are trying to understand culture and behavior and dynamics and figure out our place in the world and our relationship to something, something higher.

00:11:21.820 And so I'm not, I'm not crapping all over, all over that.

00:11:25.480 I just think that we have to kind of step back and look at these things from a time when they were, when they were written, like what was going on in their minds?

00:11:35.440 What were things that they were trying to think of at that time?

00:11:39.280 The answer to what the pagan Christian thing is, is that I believe that Christianity really allowed the expansionism of America, of the West, because A, we were able to bring civilization.

00:11:51.620 We had a motive to try to, I think actually colonialism was kind of a mistake.

00:11:55.760 We shouldn't have civilized the world. 0.99

00:11:56.980 I think we fucked up. 0.94

00:11:58.380 Yeah, we let everyone know where we are in relation to them so that they can come and fly to the countries. 0.98

00:12:03.040 Yes, like we gave them airplanes.

00:12:03.980 We gave them airplanes.

00:12:04.700 You know, good D goes unpunished.

00:12:05.900 Because airplanes, why did we give the third world airplanes? 1.00

00:12:09.700 Like now people from like Uganda can just get here, right? 1.00

00:12:14.000 And they do, yes.

00:12:15.900 Yeah, so it's like, it's, it's, so we kind of feel that way.

00:12:18.820 How do we solve this Christian pagan, you know, it seems like it's coming to a head. 1.00

00:12:24.280 I've always been very tolerant and can talk to a lot of different people.

00:12:28.060 I like to put our, our folk first, but you know, there's people that tell me I'm going to hell if I don't follow Jesus.

00:12:33.620 And that's it, I'm out, I'm not listening to you anymore, you know.

00:12:36.120 And this is, I think, very childish.

00:12:38.840 And I think if we can't have, I mean, even Christians are fighting with each other over, you know, calling Fuentes a pagan because of his Catholicism and these different Christian branches.

00:12:49.200 And they're fighting and then, you know, certain pagans, you're not doing it exactly the right way. 0.98

00:12:54.640 And it's like, for fuck's sake, people, if we can't even get this together, how are we going to take our countries back and unify as a race? 0.98

00:13:02.280 Why can't we just be as simple as some of these Browns that are just like mo' race? 1.00

00:13:06.960 You know, why are we so complicated and so complex and so nuanced that we have to fight?

00:13:11.620 Like is now the time, now the time for that, you know?

00:13:15.260 Yeah, well, I was going to say, I think, I'm going to look at it like this.

00:13:19.700 This is my answer.

00:13:22.480 Christians need to begin to respect the fact that we were built upon pagan ideas and philosophical ideas that we're devoid of Christ.

00:13:31.980 And yet a lot of our history was integrated with Christ and pagans need to realize that that is a, we both have interlocked history that one cannot deny exists, okay?

00:13:42.400 One cannot deny that there is a very serious Christian portion of our history and a very serious pagan portion of our history.

00:13:47.960 And they are both integral to where we are today.

00:13:50.360 Whether you like where we are today, obviously I'm talking about more leading up to World War II.

00:13:55.080 Post-World War II is a different situation.

00:13:57.100 Now, once we accept that we are both integral in building the civilization to where it's at, I think we need to know this.

00:14:05.900 Race is the most important concept because philosophy is the most likely determining factor of what your daily life will look like and what your interactions will be like.

00:14:17.120 And that you could have a non-Christian all-white area, a state like Mississippi, but there's so many blacks there that it just can never get ahead. 1.00

00:14:25.080 And you could find a very liberal, godless state like New Hampshire.

00:14:28.220 And while, of course, they do weird stuff with sexual things with kids, it's a much better state to live in in terms of just like transportation and job opportunities and income and education.

00:14:37.500 Now, so it's kind of like how do we mix Mississippi and New Hampshire together, right?

00:14:40.560 Like that's kind of what we're asking.

00:14:41.940 How do you take like a free state where there's a lot of pros to being in Mississippi?

00:14:45.740 There's also a lot of cons.

00:14:47.140 Same thing with New Hampshire.

00:14:48.020 They just kind of have different strengths.

00:14:49.440 I think this, Christians need to realize that we are our worst enemy right now, that the biggest supporter of the downfall of America are evangelical Christians that are supporting the Zionization of our nation. 0.96

00:15:01.760 And we need to admit that that's the problem.

00:15:03.760 I also think that pagans need to admit too that a lot of times people have associated paganism with atheism or paganism as a form of nihilism and godlessness.

00:15:14.400 And that because of our Christian roots, people don't realize that, you know, I think pagans should rebrand as philosophical dogmas or philosophical authoritarians or autocrats.

00:15:25.360 Like we're coming at things from a Hellenistic Roman, like we're still asking you to be virtuous, right?

00:15:31.920 Like it's like, hey, we hold the same principles.

00:15:34.980 And we – but here's the thing.

00:15:36.660 We do.

00:15:37.180 I mean the pagans – sorry to interrupt.

00:15:38.380 The pagans that I know are the most stand-up people with families, they love their folk, they have, you know, good businesses, their life is in order, you know.

00:15:49.740 The difference with them is that they don't need like a rule book that's between, you know, this chapter and this chapter.

00:15:56.460 That is where God is.

00:15:57.720 That's where it ends.

00:15:58.600 To me, that's – I have a problem with dogmatic, indoctrinated Christians that think that like God is only between these covers and anything outside of that is satanic and idolatry and you're going to hell.

00:16:11.000 No, I completely reject that kind of mentality.

00:16:14.360 My parents are Christians and, you know, they don't even think like that.

00:16:18.200 But in this whole idea that pagans don't have morals or they're just, you know, doing drugs and having orgies all the time, like they're getting a lot of these ideas from, you know, Hollywood movies or they see a couple –

00:16:31.600 Jewish movies.

00:16:32.040 You know, yeah, Jewish movies or they see some LARPing, you know, furry who also is like at the – I don't know, some like fair that's like some pagan festival or something or Renaissance fair or whatever.

00:16:43.040 But look at what's happening also in the Christian church.

00:16:44.900 Christians are like real pagans. 1.00

00:16:46.220 Like it's like – it's like there's a pagan LARP that's like, oh, I'm a witch and a wizard.

00:16:50.220 It's like – that's like – like I was going to say I think that we need to realize that people think paganism means atheism or nihilism and so they see it as a rejection not of God but of morality.

00:17:01.360 And I think that even Joel Berry is constantly kind of pointing it as that.

00:17:05.100 It's all about the gods and even Valhalla and the different realms and the ubermensch and the hero's journey becoming the best –

00:17:13.100 Yeah, oh, exactly.

00:17:14.400 Valhalla.

00:17:15.680 Well, I'll just end this because I got to – I know you guys got to go and I got to go do a – my show real fast.

00:17:20.600 Sorry for making you wait.

00:17:21.600 But I just want to say that Christians need to realize that – and also there's a cop-out where it's like, well, I'm just saved.

00:17:26.880 I'm a born-again virgin.

00:17:28.260 Then I don't have to do the work.

00:17:29.400 Christ is redeemed.

00:17:29.840 Yeah.

00:17:30.400 Correct.

00:17:30.680 Christ is redeemed, but Christians need to – I'm going to call out my own people saying, like me, I'm just coming to really follow my faith. 1.00

00:17:39.980 Christianity needs to be also a real change where you have your faith in Christ, but Christ needs to lead you to repentance, needs to lead you towards change, towards actually living a lifestyle of rigorous discipline.

00:17:49.580 And to actually live a life of seeking beauty and greatness and establishing a family.

00:17:56.280 It needs to relate.

00:17:57.180 You can't just be like, yeah, I'm a Christian. 1.00

00:17:59.020 I'll just go to confession on Saturday and then I'll go sleep with a prostitute on Tuesday. 1.00

00:18:03.460 You got to be like, he who is in me is greater than he who is in the world. 0.96

00:18:06.200 And I think there needs to be – pagans need to respect those kinds of Christians who are actually living out their faith and not using it as an excuse to be evil or to be problematic.

00:18:15.020 And I also think pagans need to realize that they have a branding problem because they live in a Christian society.

00:18:20.120 And so they need to make sure that they are focused on living upstanding lives as well.

00:18:24.140 And I think both sides, if we're focused on living upstanding lives, I believe personally, and I'm not trying to be universalist.

00:18:31.340 I'm not.

00:18:31.920 I believe that Christ brings the value to what Marcus Aurelius was looking for.

00:18:36.800 I believe that just like Socrates who was killed, maybe not have found the value.

00:18:41.680 I think they realize virtue is not for virtue's sake.

00:18:44.700 Virtue is because God designed us.

00:18:46.340 We are made in his image.

00:18:47.580 And I think just like you guys believe paganism is being mischaracterized, Christianity has lost what it used to be.

00:18:52.900 And it used to be a strong driving force and consistently is convoluted, just like pagans have gotten convoluted probably over time.

00:19:00.180 And some of them did get weird with orgies and strange stuff, and it does today.

00:19:03.980 Like if you really look at like – it's hard to say to people like, yeah, like Marcus was a pagan.

00:19:08.280 And it's like he was a great man who Christians read to this day as inspiration.

00:19:12.720 We need to be true to what our beliefs are.

00:19:15.480 We need to not be hypocrites, and we need to realize – and I'm very unpopular in the Christian circles for this.

00:19:21.740 You know, you will be safer in a white neighborhood than you would in a Christian mixed-race neighborhood because being forgiven for your sin doesn't mean that you aren't going to be sinning. 1.00

00:19:32.040 And everyone does fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3.23.

00:19:34.740 And some people just don't have IQ and nature or understanding or culture to be able to uphold the civility and the society that whites can uphold. 0.64

00:19:44.700 And the moment that any country becomes minority white, you will see a Rhodesia to Zimbabwe pipeline, a South Africanization pipeline. 0.93

00:19:53.340 Again, you – neglecting race is the downfall of white Christianity. 0.57

00:20:00.840 And until we can get that back to realize it's for God and country, what does country mean?

00:20:05.300 Country means the racial, ethnic makeup of your nation as defined by its civil order value.

00:20:10.060 We used to say that forever in our nation, for God and country.

00:20:12.920 We now just think it's about God.

00:20:15.280 But let's remember that God – what do we mean by God?

00:20:18.180 It means living for something above depravity, right?

00:20:20.440 Living for something above who you are.

00:20:23.260 And maybe that's just the philosophy for yourself as a pagan.

00:20:27.580 Maybe it's just a philosophy.

00:20:28.820 But still, there's your higher power is this doctrine and its dogma.

00:20:32.360 Please, everybody, start living for your higher power.

00:20:34.860 Start living for God, I believe.

00:20:38.460 But I know people don't.

00:20:39.900 And I think the pagans and the Christians – I think I would much rather be your neighbor than be Officer Tatum's neighbor. 0.99

00:20:46.300 Because you see, he's like – just because he's Christian, he's a retard. 1.00

00:20:48.820 He's like a retarded black guy. 1.00

00:20:49.980 Like, I'm just saying, like, he's just a retarded, grifting black guy. 1.00

00:20:52.380 Careful, I don't want to get sued again. 0.99

00:20:53.400 He'll always be.

00:20:54.300 Yeah, I mean, I know you have to go, but it's about become the best you, okay?

00:21:00.240 And I don't think – I need rules to kind of spell out what that is.

00:21:03.440 Don't lie, cheat, steal, drink too much, you know, sleep with someone else's husband.

00:21:08.980 Like, we kind of have figured some of these things out, all right?

00:21:12.040 I think we can agree on some of those basic moral concepts.

00:21:16.720 Let's just take the Jew out of it, okay? 1.00

00:21:19.740 Because that is – that is not part – 0.98

00:21:21.940 Well, Judaism ruined Christianity. 1.00

00:21:23.140 That is not part of our native spirituality, our philosophy, our early civilizations.

00:21:28.700 You know, and that's where paganism is really different.

00:21:31.300 It's out of that Abrahamic matrix. 0.85

00:21:33.220 It's just not a part of that.

00:21:35.140 But I love it, though.

00:21:36.000 But that's what I was going to say is, like, dude, this is what people don't realize.

00:21:38.660 It's like, listen, I don't want anyone else to become pagan, but I will say this. 0.90

00:21:44.160 I don't like even using the word.

00:21:45.880 Even if you're not a Christian, you should pick up the books of your ancestors and, you know, because beyond paganism, like, I'm not telling you you have to become, you know, follow Roman religion or Greek religion or Nordic religion.

00:21:57.280 But, like, look at the philosophy of what built our nations and why did the pagan Scandinavians and the Hellenistic, you know, South and the Roman, you know, influenced Germanic world.

00:22:09.920 Why did they all – why did they get out of the bog?

00:22:12.040 Why did they get out of – you know, as they say, how did the white man get out of the bog kind of thing?

00:22:16.040 It is through philosophy and through faith.

00:22:19.300 But I do believe faith without philosophy is dead, which means it's another way of saying faith without works is dead.

00:22:25.180 And what are those works?

00:22:26.280 It's doing what's right, and I don't think you need God to do what's right.

00:22:29.280 But I think if you're someone like me who does struggle, I do need a rule book.

00:22:32.800 I do struggle to not sin.

00:22:35.640 I don't hurt people or kill people, but I do think that I am inherently wicked.

00:22:42.080 Well, I have friends who – I mean, I know a lot of people who have ordered people killed.

00:22:45.340 And I mean, they work in the political role.

00:22:47.020 I know people that have killed people that they say is a suicide.

00:22:50.040 You know, Charlie Kirk was killed by a deeper conspiracy than what they're telling you, by the way.

00:22:54.940 And there's things that we know.

00:22:56.020 And I was one of the early people that explained what was going on, called crazy, and now I've been vindicated and everyone who threatened to sue me then has backed off.

00:23:03.420 I'll just remind you, I'm the person who leaked the whole Hamptons meeting and actually got in trouble.

00:23:09.300 That was an investigation with Candace Owens, Max Blumenthal, and myself.

00:23:12.540 We came together and worked early on to get the information out.

00:23:15.260 Now, I let Candace – gave Candace all my information.

00:23:17.620 She has a bigger platform.

00:23:18.800 But that's how I want Christians and pagans to work together of like – I didn't go like, oh, I have information about Charlie Kirk that can prove that there was a conspiracy.

00:23:26.700 Let me do it because it's about my show and my thing.

00:23:28.820 I go, Candace, you have the audience.

00:23:30.720 You were his friend.

00:23:32.120 People will trust you over me.

00:23:33.840 Take my information and go work with it.

00:23:36.420 That's what this movement needs to be about.

00:23:38.220 What are you adding?

00:23:39.180 And also let people call you the hell out. 0.98

00:23:42.460 Like if pagans want to call Christians out on our hypocrisy or things, take that seriously and try to like answer them really and don't just call them, oh, you're going to hell and now you're pagan. 1.00

00:23:52.040 Shut the hell up. 0.99

00:23:52.620 It's like they might have a real damn good point of where you're blind. 0.99

00:23:56.720 It's okay to look at comparative mythology and say, hey, there's some similarities here.

00:24:01.480 Like let's dive into this.

00:24:03.400 It's fun.

00:24:03.940 Let's explore it.

00:24:04.720 This is part of the white mind.

00:24:06.520 And I think we just need to take the fear, the fear out of it when talking about these things.

00:24:13.660 I don't want to ever live in fear, but I don't know.

00:24:18.000 I mean I could be broke tomorrow.

00:24:18.900 I could lose everything.

00:24:19.660 But my trust is in God and I'm really grateful because for me what gives me hope is I believe that Christ has called me to maybe restore some sanity to the Christian world on the right and to kind of – to restore what it meant to be Christian, that it was supposed to be a position of strength, not of weakness. 0.56

00:24:39.740 And, you know, you guys may be pagan and you might want to do the same thing because I think both of our value sets have been watered down and have been very much muddied into like – like you said, yours is like a LARP of like some fat polyamorous person.

00:24:54.740 I'm a pagan, you know.

00:24:55.760 It's like that's kind of what it's like to people. 1.00

00:24:58.300 And Christianity is like some weak Zionist bullshit, you know. 1.00

00:25:01.060 It's like let the browns in. 1.00

00:25:03.060 And I have to say there's a whole – totally.

00:25:05.360 And I have to say that there's a lot in between.

00:25:07.320 It's not – we have to think of, you know, whites. 0.67

00:25:10.060 We're a diverse people.

00:25:11.360 It's not just, oh, they're Christian or they're pagan.

00:25:13.860 I hear from all kinds of white people all across the spectrum.

00:25:17.500 And for me, I'm like, welcome, brothers and sisters.

00:25:20.180 Come on.

00:25:20.580 Let's do this.

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Red Ice TV - November 16, 2025

The Christian vs Pagan Dilemma On The Right

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