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00:05:31.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Thank you for joining us, Red Ice. I'm Henrik. Glad you're here with us. If you're watching on Rumble, maybe you're watching on Twitter or Red Ice.tv, Red IceMembers.com. Thank you for tuning in, everybody. Great interview here lined up for you guys today.

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00:10:44.040 I didn't,

00:11:14.040 You know, you know, there's no question.

00:11:44.040 They, they are, they are absolute senser, RP,

00:12:14.040 Oh, for sure.

00:12:15.020 And, well, they've said that.

00:12:17.600 And they, just this absolute genocide in Gaza, the Palestinians there,

00:12:24.580 every day there's just some outrageous bombing or something.

00:12:28.760 A hospital, a school, what have you.

00:12:31.640 But, I mean, as you said, I mean, they do take out their own two.

00:12:34.360 Look at Yitzhak Rabin, right?

00:12:35.620 He was assassinated.

00:12:36.540 He was a hardcore Zionist.

00:12:38.320 He was, what was it?

00:12:39.260 He was kind of leaning more towards a two-state solution, the Oslo Accords.

00:12:43.220 I'm not sure if that was the time he was doing the prime minister.

00:12:48.160 Yeah, he was hated because he was agreeing with the Oslo Accord.

00:12:54.060 And, you know, just right now, I mean, a lot of people think that Israel knew about October 7, 2023.

00:13:02.920 They knew in advance.

00:13:04.600 And because their intelligence is so good over there, they were probably aware of it.

00:13:11.220 And that's what I think.

00:13:13.840 They didn't care a thousand Jews are dead, so what?

00:13:18.000 For the greater good, right?

00:13:19.140 Yeah, the greater good.

00:13:20.000 And that's what you always think about with the group.

00:13:22.060 Yeah.

00:13:22.280 You don't think about individuals.

00:13:23.920 You don't have principles.

00:13:26.200 Like far too many white people have principles.

00:13:28.720 You know, it's like they'll die with their boots on for a principle.

00:13:31.740 Right.

00:13:31.920 You know, and Jews never do that.

00:13:35.940 They look at their interests.

00:13:37.380 And they look at their interests in group context.

00:13:40.080 And in the long term, they have long-term thinking.

00:13:44.480 It's all foreign to white people.

00:13:46.960 So, yeah.

00:13:49.380 Which is kind of proving to be a very successful evolutionary strategy.

00:13:53.240 It's very successful.

00:13:54.300 Right?

00:13:54.640 Yeah.

00:13:54.800 Yeah, I mean, and it's successful even now.

00:13:57.580 And, you know, they basically won World War II.

00:14:02.640 And after that, anti-Semitism declined precipitously in America.

00:14:07.720 There was just almost nothing.

00:14:09.460 It became extremely disreputable to be anti-Jewish, you know.

00:14:15.960 And people were drummed out of the media as they are now.

00:14:18.540 But, you know, back in the 20s and 30s, that was not the case.

00:14:23.560 You had Henry Ford.

00:14:24.520 You had Father Coughlin.

00:14:27.140 And there was just a general feeling there that Jews were a problem.

00:14:33.780 I mean, so many Jews.

00:14:34.400 They were coming in from Eastern Europe, 3 million or something.

00:14:38.880 And they were often orthodox.

00:14:41.480 They were often political radicals.

00:14:43.640 This was at the time of the Russian Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:14:47.300 And Jews were, you know, the mainstream Jewish community was all for the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:14:54.000 They loved it because anti-Semitism was outlawed because Jews were doing very, very well in the Soviet Union.

00:15:01.340 That's the only thing that mattered.

00:15:03.280 It didn't matter that they were murdering millions of people.

00:15:06.540 So that's the reality of these people.

00:15:09.960 They are extremely good at what they do, I have to say.

00:15:16.300 And they're a very formidable enemy that you think that, well, a small group like that, how influential can they be?

00:15:28.220 But they are.

00:15:30.060 Well, it shows you when you do collectivize, right?

00:15:32.500 Yeah.

00:15:32.720 How much you can actually achieve and accomplish even though you're a smaller minority, right?

00:15:36.520 Yeah, so one thing that is added to the new book, the new version is, you know, I wrote a book in 2019 on Individualism.

00:15:50.560 And, you know, I'm not just saying it's all Jews.

00:15:52.780 It's partly us.

00:15:53.720 We are individualists at heart.

00:15:56.240 And we have a hard time doing what Jews find easy, that we, you know, really forming cohesive groups, looking out for our interests, especially our group interests.

00:16:07.040 We think of people as individuals.

00:16:09.340 And so it's hard for us to be anti-Jewish because that suggests you're against a whole group.

00:16:15.560 And, you know, everybody's got, well, he's a good Jew or this, he isn't, you know.

00:16:21.420 And so you don't look at the big picture, where the Jewish power is being exerted, how are Jews influential, where are they influential, and why are they influential exactly?

00:16:33.720 And I try to flesh that out in the new preface.

00:16:37.240 Yeah, because it's like, obviously, as you said, that doesn't mean it's everyone, but at the same time, we kind of as, for the most part, then whites, right, who see ourselves much more as individuals, and it's just about this person.

00:16:49.020 And since we are not kind of collectivized, and again, you've gone through this in your work, right?

00:16:53.860 There's evolutionary pressure.

00:16:55.240 That's the reason for that.

00:16:56.240 There's psychological reasons.

00:16:57.480 There's things weaved into the culture.

00:16:59.740 We've opted more for, yeah, an individualism kind of thing, right?

00:17:03.020 But now it's showing itself how detrimental that is, right?

00:17:06.200 Yeah.

00:17:06.620 One of the things that for a while was kind of a good thing is now becoming a weakness that can be used against us.

00:17:11.040 It's a weakness, and it is being used against us.

00:17:12.820 Yeah.

00:17:13.420 And they take advantage of this all the time.

00:17:16.860 And they understand white groups.

00:17:22.240 And one other thing, and we were just talking about this a minute ago, that they present issues as moral issues.

00:17:31.820 And in my 2019 book, one of the main theses is that white people, rather than think in terms of their interests, or the social glue of white groups is not genetics and kinship, which it is in the rest of the world.

00:17:50.560 And that's one thing that's really come out in recent years is how unique Western civilization and culture are.

00:17:59.020 And the point is that we don't cement our groups by kinship as they do in the Middle East is the worst place, is the most intense place.

00:18:08.180 Africa and China.

00:18:10.320 But they're all like that.

00:18:12.760 Clan-based, right?

00:18:14.040 Clan-based, yes.

00:18:14.560 Clan-based, yes.

00:18:15.240 Yeah, and you see that still in China and Africa and everywhere.

00:18:19.380 And Joseph Henry wrote a book in 2020 basically saying it's about the uniqueness of Western culture and civilization.

00:18:27.960 Ricardo Duchesne has a book called Uniqueness of Western Civilization.

00:18:33.460 He's written another book called Greatness and Ruin.

00:18:35.740 You know, the greatness of the West and now the ruin.

00:18:38.000 And it's all part of the same psychological profile.

00:18:42.380 But the social glue of Western cultures is a moral community.

00:18:47.160 We want to be part of a moral community.

00:18:50.020 We want a good reputation.

00:18:51.640 We want a reputation as someone who's helpful, who you can cooperate with, you can trust.

00:18:58.940 Trust is very important.

00:18:59.940 I mean, I wonder how many times I hit the word trust in that 2019 book because it's extremely important.

00:19:08.680 We trust non-family members in a way that other cultures don't.

00:19:13.700 Yeah.

00:19:13.980 And, of course, Jews are more likely to trust other Jews.

00:19:19.520 And it goes beyond the family.

00:19:20.820 You know, just being Jewish is sufficient.

00:19:23.320 And to be on the same page, to feel, you know, you have a commonality.

00:19:29.580 I mean, one of the stories about Hollywood is, you know, you go to Hollywood and you introduce yourself and with some other Jew who's recruiting you or something.

00:19:38.500 And you go through a sort of Jewish genealogy.

00:19:41.120 My family comes from Galatia.

00:19:43.320 Right.

00:19:44.060 You know, and you go and you sort of make the commonality there.

00:19:47.120 You know, that's how it's traced.

00:19:50.060 A sense of common ancestry, of commonality.

00:19:58.680 Strong in-group preference.

00:20:00.540 You know what I mean?

00:20:00.740 Strong in-group preference.

00:20:02.140 And, you know, ethnocentrism by any other name.

00:20:05.560 Whereas we tend to individuate and we don't tend to tar a whole group by the behavior of one individual or something like that.

00:20:15.120 And, you know, some people do, but very, you know, we're much less likely to do that.

00:20:20.860 I know I've been.

00:20:22.220 It was hard for me to really get into this because of that.

00:20:27.280 I mean, it was, you know, if you talk to me 30 years ago, 40 years ago in the 80s and 70s, the very thought of having white interests was just anathema.

00:20:39.280 It was like on the other side of the moon.

00:20:42.680 I couldn't even conceive of it, you know.

00:20:45.520 Like bred into us that it's wrong somehow.

00:20:47.800 Yes.

00:20:48.240 It's morally.

00:20:49.340 It's just off the map.

00:20:51.500 You can't do that.

00:20:53.420 And, you know, every once in a while, a neo-Nazi would get in the news or something like that.

00:20:58.740 And I just had absolute loathing for that.

00:21:01.720 I mean, it was like that's the way it was.

00:21:04.780 And so it was a long journey for me to get to this.

00:21:08.260 Definitely.

00:21:09.120 And develop the courage and kind of working against those maybe instincts and your sense of morality to a certain extent, right?

00:21:15.840 Yeah.

00:21:15.900 But once I decided it was right, then it was just a matter of courage.

00:21:19.300 You had to go out there and realize, yeah, they're going to call you an anti-Semite.

00:21:23.000 They're not going to talk to you.

00:21:24.140 They're going to try to fire you.

00:21:25.500 They're going to try to do this, that, and the other thing.

00:21:27.340 Yeah.

00:21:27.720 You just got to do it.

00:21:28.700 And that's one thing that came out with Charlie Kirk.

00:21:32.800 You know, he said, what do you want to be remembered for?

00:21:34.940 Faith and courage.

00:21:36.040 Well, in a way, I'm the same way.

00:21:38.600 You know, faith, not Christianity, but faith in what we believe in.

00:21:42.540 Yes.

00:21:44.240 But also a sense of courage.

00:21:46.840 We have to have more courage.

00:21:48.620 Absolutely.

00:21:49.220 And moral courage and to stand up for our interests.

00:21:52.320 What's the matter with us?

00:21:53.420 Well, and also know that the moral and right thing to do now is to stand up for us.

00:21:58.220 Absolutely.

00:21:58.380 Because look at the consequences of us not doing it, right?

00:22:01.720 Yeah.

00:22:01.820 And I think more white people are seeing that.

00:22:04.580 It's changing.

00:22:05.480 Yes.

00:22:05.520 When there's so much anti-white hate out there.

00:22:07.700 Yeah.

00:22:08.080 And you can see that everywhere now and in high places.

00:22:13.560 You'll see it on MSNBC, commenters, and CNN.

00:22:17.660 I understand.

00:22:19.860 So, yeah, this is something that, you know, there are psychological reasons.

00:22:26.300 If someone hates you, you naturally kind of start thinking in those terms.

00:22:31.200 Yeah.

00:22:31.620 Yeah.

00:22:31.820 Absolutely.

00:22:32.100 So, I'm hopeful about the future for that reason, that people are going to wake up.

00:22:37.040 Me too.

00:22:37.660 Realize what's down the road.

00:22:40.000 And, you know, when I think about it, I can't help thinking about Bolshevism.

00:22:46.780 And, you know, in the early decades of the Soviet Union, you're talking mass murder and carried out by Jews so often.

00:22:55.220 And the American Jewish community is just papering it over and just like we see now with Gaza, where the ADL is still gung-ho pro-Israel and they never criticize Israel as far as I know.

00:23:13.020 And that's just what we have to understand these people and realize what we're up against.

00:23:20.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:20.780 And that's why you've got to have the right words to use, not only the courage, but I showed this meme a while ago.

00:23:26.400 But it's kind of good, right?

00:23:27.260 Because, again, it doesn't exclude that there aren't those that are not kind of attacking you.

00:23:31.560 But basically, like…

00:23:32.780 That's very good.

00:23:34.380 It's great, isn't it?

00:23:35.320 I mean, it's like I'm being attacked by ants.

00:23:37.780 But someone else shows up and says, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down now.

00:23:40.680 Yeah, slow down.

00:23:41.960 Hey, it's not all ants.

00:23:43.260 Well, that's what's happening to me.

00:23:43.880 The morally superior guy.

00:23:45.300 Yeah.

00:23:45.580 So you have to kind of explain, like, if you can't address what's happening or who is attacking, whatever group it is, right?

00:23:52.840 You know, in Europe, it's maybe like Muslims or something, right?

00:23:55.600 Like with the UK, for example.

00:23:57.160 Yeah.

00:23:57.520 It's like, obviously, with the grooming gangs and the attacks we've seen, the terrorism, the violence, and all this humiliation crime.

00:24:04.240 And again, whoa, whoa, but it's not all…

00:24:06.760 Then it's always a caveat, right?

00:24:07.980 It's the radical Muslims or it's the, you know, these and that.

00:24:10.720 But the point is, it's like mostly we have to be able to identify the problem in front of us and address it accurately with the words that make sense.

00:24:18.440 And at first, at that point, we can, like, realize, okay, so if this is happening, what can we do now to change that or, like, to make sure that we insulate ourselves against this threat?

00:24:28.820 And that doesn't mean it's everyone, but again, it's like if it's an overwhelming majority or, let's say, a disproportionate amount, when you look at, you know, kind of like what your work has done, looking at the 20th century intellectual movements, academics, all these social research, you know, groups and stuff like that, it's overwhelmingly overrepresented by Jews, you know what I mean?

00:24:49.220 So then you've got to address that and say, okay, well, what has this done?

00:24:52.700 How does this undermine us?

00:24:54.240 And what is the problems that have occurred within our society and us ultimately as a group as well?

00:24:59.940 So, you know, I don't want to…

00:25:01.560 I'm not going to say that we just need to be more like a designer kind of thing, but I'm saying at the same time, you know, you can look at that and just say, well, obviously, that's been successful.

00:25:11.200 Maybe we should just start taking our own side more.

00:25:13.760 Maybe we should look at ourselves as a group.

00:25:15.700 And I think that's beginning to happen more and more.

00:25:19.260 I just hope it's not too late, man.

00:25:20.460 I agree.

00:25:21.060 It's really…

00:25:21.900 We're in dire straits.

00:25:23.280 And, you know, I have writers, Roxanne Observer, on the UK, and they are…

00:25:33.680 They're worse off than we are.

00:25:35.040 They're just unbelievably bad off.

00:25:38.820 And they just have this elite that is just absolutely out of touch.

00:25:44.140 And…

00:25:45.860 But the protests are, am I right?

00:25:47.560 Yeah, we're seeing a lot of protests now.

00:25:49.780 There's healthy pushback.

00:25:50.820 Netherlands just has a big one.

00:25:52.520 There's some pushback, finally.

00:25:53.020 Finally.

00:25:53.620 Taking a while.

00:25:54.620 Yeah, we'll see if it has any effect.

00:25:56.860 Yeah.

00:25:57.380 And Star Wars says, we're going to deport one for everyone that comes in.

00:26:01.460 And then, you know, they deport one and a hundred come in and, you know…

00:26:04.820 Record numbers with the small boats, as they call it.

00:26:07.640 Record numbers still, you know.

00:26:08.820 Now it's almost a million a year.

00:26:11.940 Think about that.

00:26:12.460 It's a tiny island, and they're taking in as much…

00:26:16.140 Actually, I haven't kept up with the latest legal migration numbers in the U.S., but for

00:26:20.140 a while there was basically a million a year.

00:26:22.360 Yeah.

00:26:22.480 That's what the U.K. is basically at right now.

00:26:25.400 Yeah, and they feel they have to take care of them.

00:26:27.120 They put them in hotels and feed them and give them money and everything else.

00:26:32.160 It's just…

00:26:32.800 Yeah.

00:26:33.260 Of course they're going to come.

00:26:35.240 You know, you come from some shithole country somewhere, that sounds good.

00:26:39.720 Even the worst…

00:26:40.680 Even, like, significantly worse conditions in a Western country is much better than what

00:26:45.420 they came from.

00:26:46.040 You know what I mean?

00:26:47.080 But anyway, we'll continue, obviously, talking about this theme throughout, but I wanted to

00:26:51.700 ask you a little bit about, I guess, kind of like the selection pressures, what you

00:26:55.860 think…

00:26:56.140 Again, I'm not sure how far back you go, but I don't think you can exclude, looking at

00:27:01.640 one, the experiences that Jews have had.

00:27:04.360 I don't think you can exclude Judaism.

00:27:06.700 But the question is, in the early stages, if you've even thought about this or have

00:27:11.080 done any work on it, if you think there was a beginning…

00:27:14.080 You know, like, because usually, like, if you look at evolutionary psychology, right,

00:27:17.420 it kind of begins that…

00:27:18.500 I was Googling around a little bit, and they kind of, like…

00:27:21.940 They take it back to, like, the hunter-gatherers or something like that.

00:27:24.800 Like, it was a process beginning with them, essentially, right?

00:27:28.240 But at the same time, they show up and they have different experiences, right?

00:27:32.900 They're enslaved by this group, like, in Egypt and Babylon and then in Rome, under Rome,

00:27:37.520 you know, kind of things, right?

00:27:38.640 So, obviously, those things help to shape the behavior as well.

00:27:41.760 Absolutely.

00:27:42.240 So, that creates, you know, a very strong in-group preference.

00:27:44.860 And they had to, I think, to survive also, right?

00:27:47.720 But do you think there's anything, like, underlying that?

00:27:50.180 This idea of, like, them seeing themselves as God-chosen people, there seems to be, like,

00:27:54.920 the further back you go, it seems to be a significant difference there as opposed to, like,

00:27:59.520 Europeans or other ethnic groups.

00:28:01.400 Well, absolutely.

00:28:01.960 And I think it's a paradigmatic Middle Eastern group.

00:28:05.180 They are very kinship, clan-oriented, historically.

00:28:13.020 And in my view, it was, you know, certainly, you know, Moses started coming out of Egypt

00:28:19.460 and creating this federation of clans, really.

00:28:24.220 But what really created, in my opinion, and I talk about this in my first book,

00:28:28.300 was the Babylonian captivity because, you know, they could have assimilated,

00:28:32.340 they could have just disappeared into history there.

00:28:34.820 But they kept a group cohesion in Babylon.

00:28:38.740 They wrote the Talmud.

00:28:41.260 Well, that was much later.

00:28:42.600 But the point is that they kept together.

00:28:46.720 When they came back, they were horrified that the ones that they'd left behind in Israel,

00:28:52.480 in Palestine, they had intermarried.

00:28:55.680 And they excluded them.

00:28:57.540 And so there was, you know, they pushed out people that they felt were impure.

00:29:04.320 And, you know, the whole drumbeat of the Old Testament is racial purity.

00:29:09.360 Right.

00:29:09.760 And God is, yeah, my conclusion in the second chapter is that God is nothing more

00:29:18.140 than the Jewish gene pool, that they, you know, that the holy seed, as they say,

00:29:26.500 as they say in the Old Testament.

00:29:28.660 And you look at books like Ezra and Nehemiah, just abhorrence.

00:29:33.240 But it's a drumbeat throughout the Old Testament.

00:29:35.660 And if you stray from God, you know, bad things are going to happen.

00:29:39.700 Right.

00:29:40.000 And if you continue to obey God's will, there's a glorious future in which you will rule the

00:29:47.060 world, and everyone will come genuflecting to you, and, you know, you'll be wealthy

00:29:54.520 and powerful.

00:29:56.740 And, you know, they do not have an otherworldly religion.

00:30:00.940 They believe that they want to have success in this world.

00:30:05.100 Right.

00:30:05.680 And long-term success.

00:30:07.660 And you imagine, they kept this up for, you know, 2,000 years, and oftentimes persecuted,

00:30:16.920 almost always disliked.

00:30:20.260 And so they kept together, and they excluded people, Jews that were not on page.

00:30:30.520 They certainly excluded Gentiles.

00:30:32.840 There was some limited interbreeding, you might say, because it wasn't really sanctioned.

00:30:37.660 There was some rape, and, you know, some affairs, probably.

00:30:43.940 I don't know.

00:30:44.520 But there was a not inconsiderable influx of non-Jewish genes within the European, the Ashkenazi.

00:30:56.020 And so you see some Jews, they look very much like Europeans.

00:30:58.400 And, but yeah, so it's just a long history, and it's been, they have excluded people that are not on page.

00:31:10.260 And I think that's produced, you know, and I talk about intelligence in that regard, that Jews who were not very successful really were not welcomed in the Jewish community.

00:31:20.560 And oftentimes the ones who defected over the centuries were Jews that weren't doing very well.

00:31:26.220 They weren't very smart.

00:31:27.160 They weren't successful economically.

00:31:31.120 And the Jews who prospered, and in traditional societies all the way up to the 19th century, people had more money, had more children.

00:31:38.200 And so you had the successful tended to reproduce.

00:31:44.100 And, you know, one of the practices in the Jewish community was if you were an intelligent young man, and that would be determined by how you do your Torah lessons in the Talmud, you would have a good marriage.

00:32:01.740 And that would mean you'd have, you'd marry the daughter of a wealthy man, and you would have all these business opportunities and everything.

00:32:10.500 And, of course, then you'd have the wherewithal to have children.

00:32:15.340 You know, so many people throughout history were not able to have children simply because of economics.

00:32:20.140 And, you know, you look at Europeans, the way when times were tough, Europeans, you know, didn't get married.

00:32:32.000 You had, you know, in the 18th, you know, in the 17th, 18th centuries, when times were tough, women would not get married, and they'd have all these spinsters.

00:32:42.640 And, of course, men would not get married either, and so, you know, you'd have much fewer births.

00:32:51.340 So the birth rate rise and fell depending on economics.

00:32:56.920 And that was probably true in Jewish communities too, but, again, the emphasis more so than in European communities.

00:33:05.960 But it was true of all.

00:33:07.000 I mean, in Europe, until the 19th century, the wealthy people, the aristocracy, had more children.

00:33:15.980 And they – but then in the 19th century, the advances in medicine and everything.

00:33:22.480 Yeah, that changed everything.

00:33:23.700 It changes everything.

00:33:24.940 And now, I mean, Edward Dutton, you know, he has this idea of –

00:33:33.000 Spiteful mutants.

00:33:35.060 Spiteful mutants.

00:33:36.020 Spiteful mutants, you know.

00:33:37.080 Good term.

00:33:37.460 I think he didn't come up with it, but it's a true term.

00:33:40.180 Yeah, if you take a look at the police photos of Atifa in Portland, you know, they just – god, these people are just –

00:33:49.800 It's mutants.

00:33:51.000 Mutants.

00:33:51.540 Everyone survived, right, kind of thing.

00:33:53.420 Everyone survived.

00:33:53.560 So all the mutations that, you know, can – if you look at it from an evolutionary point of view,

00:33:58.500 they were basically attempt at adaptation to new circumstances, right, whether environmental or social, cultural, whatever.

00:34:04.820 But now – for now, we're in an age where everyone essentially survives.

00:34:10.400 And so all those mutations come with it, right?

00:34:12.620 Yeah, most mutations are deleterious.

00:34:16.120 They don't help.

00:34:17.160 And they fall by the wayside.

00:34:19.480 Some are advantageous.

00:34:20.960 And they are proliferating.

00:34:23.720 Very few, actually.

00:34:25.720 But when you have the modern medicine, deleterious mutations are going to accumulate.

00:34:32.560 And that's why – you know, this idea of spiteful mutants I think is a very good one.

00:34:37.560 Probably explains a lot about leftist culture, I think, nowadays.

00:34:42.220 Oh, yeah.

00:34:42.880 No, for sure.

00:34:43.820 I mean, they're just – yeah.

00:34:46.760 We have a number of, like, you know, kind of competing sects, as you said, as well.

00:34:50.980 And I'm not sure, will it talk which one – if they all died out or survived or whatever.

00:34:55.740 But, you know, there's like a couple of – this is like the second temple period kind of thing.

00:34:59.360 But it's an interesting period because of the Romans.

00:35:01.680 And that's really when you have this diaspora, you know, kind of happening after that.

00:35:04.880 A lot of them moved into Europe and things like that, too.

00:35:06.620 But you have the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the Zealots, the Sarmatians, the Sicarii.

00:35:12.660 You even have the Nazarenes, which is kind of the early Christian Jews, right?

00:35:18.060 Or they were called the way, I just saw her sometimes, by themselves.

00:35:22.320 Anyway, and of course, there's a question you can ask.

00:35:26.100 Okay, well, did all of them survive and, you know, conform or whatnot?

00:35:29.980 But the point there is as well, if you have those high – kind of almost –

00:35:33.600 it's a eugenic type of thing, obviously, right?

00:35:36.240 Eugenics.

00:35:36.780 Yes, eugenics.

00:35:37.560 You exclude continuously people then, or in your own group even.

00:35:41.780 Yeah.

00:35:42.100 Or they might have an ethnic bond or, you know, close proximity, tribe sense, to you.

00:35:47.180 But you exclude those things and you continuously kind of select for these types of traits, right?

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.180 So on a long enough timescale, you develop something which is quite unique, I would say.

00:35:56.980 Unique, yes.

00:35:57.160 Right?

00:35:57.700 Yeah.

00:35:58.440 And I think that – and I talk about that.

00:36:00.260 I mean, I think intelligence has been under selection in the Jewish community.

00:36:04.780 As we said, intelligent young men who were able to master all these religious writings and everything,

00:36:11.440 they were given better marriages and were more successful, had more children.

00:36:17.760 But also ethnocentrism, you know, that the ones who were really committed to the group are the ones that tended to prosper.

00:36:26.940 And one of my ideas – and I just have a very short period of discussion of it in the new preface – is that at every stage of the Jewish history,

00:36:41.480 the most radical Jews have sort of determined the direction of the community.

00:36:45.980 And I think we're seeing that now, you know, in Israel, where the most radical Jews, the settlers, and, you know, the ultra-Zionists, ethno-nationalists,

00:36:59.780 they're the ones that are determining the direction of Jewish humanity.

00:37:03.480 And so American Jews have to decide, do we want to be part of this or not?

00:37:07.360 Right.

00:37:07.640 And in general, they are deciding, yes, they want to be part of it.

00:37:11.320 And so they will be carried along with this.

00:37:15.320 And so that – you know, it's always been the most radical.

00:37:20.360 You know, you think about Zionism, the origins of Zionism, most Jews were not Zionists.

00:37:25.000 And they were afraid that if I call myself a Zionist and I'm living in the United States or England or someplace,

00:37:31.940 they're going to think I have dual loyalty.

00:37:33.640 Right.

00:37:34.480 And so, you know, it was a pretty small movement at first.

00:37:38.040 But then when the Zionists won, that's different.

00:37:41.260 And now they started to gravitate to that.

00:37:44.220 In the 1950s, you know, Israel became a beacon.

00:37:48.060 And it was, you know, mass movement at that point.

00:37:53.940 And very few Jews are not Zionists now at this point.

00:37:57.580 They're not?

00:37:58.600 Or they are, you mean?

00:37:59.700 They are Zionists.

00:38:00.460 They are Zionists.

00:38:01.380 I mean, even – I think we play that clip with Greenblatt all the time, Jonathan Greenblatt.

00:38:05.160 And, of course, it always gets kind of dicey when one person speaks for all of them.

00:38:08.640 But considering the background, maybe that's more true in this sense.

00:38:11.420 But he always says even the, you know, secular Jews, reformed Jews, whatever, like a religious – they're all – he said that they're all Zionists.

00:38:21.120 Right?

00:38:21.240 They're all – we pray to Jerusalem and, you know, the wall and the whole – that's us.

00:38:25.660 That's our identity, you know, kind of thing.

00:38:27.080 And I think he, for the most part, he's right with a very few rare exceptions, you know what I mean?

00:38:30.960 Yeah, rare exceptions.

00:38:32.060 And even the, you know, the leftist movements and, you know, because they were – I mean, it's interesting in the beginning with Israel, right?

00:38:40.420 Because it kind of – you have the – kind of a communist type of deal, right?

00:38:45.140 And it's kibbutzes and it's a workers' move.

00:38:47.320 It's a very, you know, socialist in that sense kind of thing, right?

00:38:50.440 Ironically, it's kind of a national socialism, I guess, to some extent.

00:38:53.600 It is.

00:38:53.920 But still, it was like a lefty thing.

00:38:55.960 But then eventually there's kind of a shift in that.

00:38:57.900 But regardless, even a lot of the left-wing, you know, Jewish movements and stuff like that – here's just one example, right?

00:39:04.320 The Zionist founders of the human rights movement.

00:39:06.780 It was this idea that they have, like, the human rights things or desegregation or things that are, you know, now we can see with the long-term lens and view.

00:39:14.840 And some people did in the early days, obviously.

00:39:16.420 But, like, that has been detrimental to us.

00:39:18.760 These were things that were like, no, this is good and this is moral.

00:39:22.160 You should do this because then you'll be a better person.

00:39:25.300 And, in fact, we're helping when we're doing all of this.

00:39:28.380 Yeah.

00:39:28.780 Right?

00:39:29.000 But they have this incredible self-image of being morally righteous and –

00:39:36.500 Light unto the nations.

00:39:37.960 Light unto the nations.

00:39:39.120 And that's such an important concept.

00:39:41.620 Very – yeah, I really came across it writing about Jews in the 19th century.

00:39:45.880 They had this view that Jews were the light unto the nations.

00:39:50.880 And you find that back in ancient Jewish writing, I guess.

00:39:54.960 But it's still there.

00:39:57.760 And no matter the genocide in Gaza, there's still the light unto the nations.

00:40:04.100 And it's very hard to get Jews to sort of imagine that they're not sort of the eternal victims and the eternally morally righteous people.

00:40:18.440 And – but that's ethnocentrism for you.

00:40:23.380 You can't really dent it.

00:40:25.800 Do you think it's like a – are they convincing themselves that this is good or is it some kind of – this is very hard to – you know, we're not in the heads of anyone else but ourselves.

00:40:37.200 It's very hard to say, obviously.

00:40:38.300 But sometimes I do feel it's also that kind of like there is maybe a little bit of a knowledge that this is kind of undermining you in your society.

00:40:46.840 Speaking of Western, you know, Europeans overall, this is undermining your society.

00:40:50.960 But on the surface, we can make it look like it's moral or we can make it look like this is good.

00:40:56.160 And, you know, think of the refugee movements, for example, right?

00:41:00.740 The open your borders movements and open the gates and all this stuff from highest to Israel to – there's so many now.

00:41:09.380 The Jewish Family Fund or Family Foundation, whatever it's called, right?

00:41:12.960 There's, you know, if not hundreds of them now that are advocating for, you know, opening the borders to Western countries.

00:41:19.940 Meanwhile, of course, people who are watching this and are regulars, it's not a surprise to you or some new revelation.

00:41:25.620 But good to bring up these things.

00:41:27.520 We have to repeat these points and say, look at their own immigration policy.

00:41:31.760 Look at how they are treating, you know, the few minorities that are there in their country and stuff like that, right?

00:41:37.440 It's this continuous contradiction that, like, no, no, no, we can have something that you cannot have because for us that is moral, right?

00:41:45.700 There's always some justification for this.

00:41:47.540 But for you, this is the only way.

00:41:49.180 And we're going to – in fact, we're going to show you the way.

00:41:52.880 Let's look at that little clip we had.

00:41:54.540 It's such a classic.

00:41:55.560 It's from the – what is it?

00:41:57.420 The WJC, the World Jewish Congress or Council, I believe it is, which is a classic.

00:42:02.620 Like, did any of us ever ask for this?

00:42:04.960 Check this out, guys.

00:42:05.540 I am Jewish and proud because Jews have always done what's right.

00:42:08.600 We've led the fight for gay rights.

00:42:10.320 Harvey Milk fought to ban discrimination based on sexual orientation.

00:42:13.980 Eddie Windsor was a leader in the fight for marriage equality.

00:42:16.580 Miriam Ben Shalom challenged the ban on gay people serving in the military.

00:42:20.440 We've helped lead the fight for racial justice.

00:42:22.800 Our rabbis were BFFs with MLK.

00:42:24.800 Together with black leaders, Jews helped to establish over 20 HBCUs.

00:42:29.020 During the civil rights movement, Jews were disproportionately involved in the protests.

00:42:33.040 We've led the fight for women's rights.

00:42:34.460 It's for equal pay and the right to choose and against discrimination in the workplace.

00:42:38.080 Jews were also among the first on the ground in Turkey, Ukraine, and Haiti.

00:42:42.400 In Judaism, when it comes to helping others, no action is too big or too small.

00:42:46.840 The Jewish principle of tikkun olam tells us that we have the power to change the world.

00:42:51.240 And there are so many ways to do that.

00:42:53.160 And this is why I am Jewish and proud.

00:42:55.780 Yeah, there it is, right?

00:42:56.900 So, okay, well, these are all things that have, you know, this from the civil rights movements to gay rights, right?

00:43:03.460 Removing, you know, largely, it's used to those terms, but like conservative values, you know, kind of traditional values and things that, you know, kind of kept our society in check to a certain extent and in place.

00:43:14.720 And slowly but surely, it's been undermined by this social movement or this group that has to get in and be represented.

00:43:22.240 And this is really, you know, culminated in the whole DEI movement, you know, wokeness.

00:43:28.560 You know, there's, of course, a little bit of pushback on that right now and have been for a little bit.

00:43:32.340 But still, there's still consequences of that.

00:43:34.780 That's not over.

00:43:35.620 You know what I mean?

00:43:36.520 Yeah.

00:43:36.860 So, yeah, it's fascinating to me.

00:43:39.220 But what Jews don't do is ask, is it good for them?

00:43:43.200 Right.

00:43:43.720 Is it good for whites, European, exactly?

00:43:45.980 Long term.

00:43:46.880 Yeah.

00:43:47.240 To sanctify gay marriage and transgenders in the military, is that really good for the society?

00:43:55.860 They don't think in those terms.

00:43:58.000 And it's on the other side of the moon for them.

00:44:00.980 They don't process things that way.

00:44:03.720 They, and the civil rights movement, you know, is a good example, you know, something that has, still has incredible moral cachet.

00:44:17.340 And it's hard to find white people now that don't salute Martin Luther King and that whole thing.

00:44:23.340 But it hasn't been good for white society.

00:44:26.340 And now we have a huge problem with black criminality.

00:44:31.540 And because blacks are not as intelligent, academic failure is routine.

00:44:38.200 There's massive social problems in the black community.

00:44:42.020 Blacks, you know, we just can't seem to take a realistic perspective on black behavior and black proclivities.

00:44:53.200 And that's just an absolute disaster for us.

00:44:59.240 And segregation, you know, I've never advocated segregation really, but I can understand it.

00:45:07.880 And, you know, back in the old, when I was, you know, 40 years ago, I was just been horrified by it.

00:45:15.020 But I think both societies did better.

00:45:17.080 You look at the statistics on marriage and births out of wedlock and everything.

00:45:23.340 The 1960s were a watershed.

00:45:26.240 All the graphs go down.

00:45:28.220 I used to teach child development every semester.

00:45:30.180 I put these graphs up there.

00:45:32.100 You know, births out of wedlock and all the maladaptive consequences of that.

00:45:38.720 And divorce and single parenting and all those things that started.

00:45:45.560 But they got much worse in the black community.

00:45:48.440 Right.

00:45:49.140 And much worse.

00:45:50.800 Whites, it got worse for sure.

00:45:54.080 But for blacks, you're talking 80% out of wedlock.

00:45:56.720 And, you know, huge percentages on welfare and talk about DEI requiring, you know, remedial programs and not doing well in school and disrupting other students.

00:46:15.360 And, you know, then they have to think, well, you have to discipline all groups at the same level.

00:46:20.380 And, you know, it's just pathological what this has led to.

00:46:27.800 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:29.040 But we're helping.

00:46:30.300 You know, kind of thing.

00:46:31.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:32.280 Helping.

00:46:32.660 These are just from 1990.

00:46:34.200 If you go back further, obviously, it's much more dramatic than that.

00:46:36.920 But it increases tremendously all the time.

00:46:40.060 Yeah.

00:46:40.880 Less marriages.

00:46:42.020 It's more breakdown of the family.

00:46:43.840 Birth rates are down, declining.

00:46:45.620 Right?

00:46:45.960 Yeah.

00:46:46.180 These are all fallouts from that, essentially, when you begin to, you know, realize you lose your country, you're slowly becoming a minority in your own country.

00:46:54.060 A lot of people are, sure, you have modernity.

00:46:56.320 I mean, there are, it is true that it's similar trends kind of all over the world, you know what I mean?

00:47:03.480 Most countries are catching up, so it's just not kind of a West phenomena.

00:47:07.100 But we certainly dived into this first before any other, you know, people, any other countries have done this.

00:47:14.040 Yeah.

00:47:14.300 And it's been tremendously detrimental.

00:47:16.780 And now you're seeing the full kind of effects of this, really, right?

00:47:20.160 Yeah.

00:47:20.520 I think the, I often have said that the 1960s were a watershed decade.

00:47:27.320 And I lived through it and saw a lot of it.

00:47:32.680 The, you know, it was very Jewish.

00:47:34.600 At my university, University of Wisconsin, the radicals, the radical organizations are all led by Jews and huge percentages of Jews in these things.

00:47:50.020 And that was true elsewhere.

00:47:53.000 I have, you know, other sources on that.

00:47:56.000 But it was, you know, it was a pervasive thing.

00:48:00.360 And that's when you really see Jews entering the academic world in huge numbers.

00:48:05.460 I actually witnessed it.

00:48:06.760 I was in the philosophy department at the time at the University of Wisconsin.

00:48:09.360 And you see all these young professors were Jews.

00:48:12.800 And they came from great universities, Harvard and Oxford and all that.

00:48:17.860 And they were really, you know, that was the future of the faculty there.

00:48:24.240 And it was, you know, Jews gravitated to the academic world.

00:48:29.940 And they made it much more to the left.

00:48:34.520 They were part of the left of Jewish, non-Jewish professors.

00:48:39.100 And so now, you know, now the universities are just seen as bastions of the left, which they are.

00:48:49.300 And they police it intensely so you can't get hired.

00:48:52.560 Somebody like me never get hired now.

00:48:55.180 And the feminists, yes.

00:48:57.120 So many feminists are Jewish.

00:48:59.900 And that it's part of the problem that we have, I think.

00:49:09.200 And I, it's an interesting question, you know, I don't address this very much, even in the new thing.

00:49:19.880 And I talk about Judith Butler a little bit.

00:49:23.900 She's the one who emphasizes sexual identities as performative.

00:49:29.560 You know, it's like you put on performance.

00:49:31.500 There's no genetic basis to it, no hormonal basis.

00:49:33.940 It's just, it's all just sort of being who, whoever you want to be at the moment.

00:49:39.860 I could be a woman tomorrow.

00:49:41.480 Right, yeah.

00:49:42.200 Or something like that.

00:49:43.160 And, yeah, and, you know, it's a radical movement.

00:49:47.120 It goes against the traditions of society.

00:49:50.000 And I think overall it's been destructive.

00:49:55.920 I mean, I think there are a lot of talented women, and they should be able to do what they can.

00:50:03.980 I have my reservation.

00:50:05.180 You know, women tend not to be on a page with ethnic interests.

00:50:12.120 No, they're not by default.

00:50:14.460 You have a couple of unicorns here and there, but for the most part, it's the same thing there.

00:50:17.920 It's really just looking at the averages, right?

00:50:20.960 And their differences, obviously, between men and women in that department.

00:50:24.780 And, yeah, but that's, again, it's an undermining thing, right?

00:50:27.280 Of, like, saying, well, we'll, this is a problem.

00:50:31.660 Not everyone's represented, so we have to let them in.

00:50:34.200 And all of a sudden you lose control of how, you know, men used to run society, right?

00:50:37.960 They're pushed out, and that's a consequence of this, too.

00:50:39.980 Now, I mean, internally, I know, too, Judaism, right?

00:50:44.160 You have reformed Judaism, right?

00:50:46.180 They're pushing for these, you know, rights kind of things as well within them.

00:50:50.940 And I'm not sure which one will end up, like, kind of winning out.

00:50:53.800 I mean, overall, would you say that if you look at Israel, largely the Jewish community,

00:50:58.460 they're still very kind of patriarchal?

00:51:00.620 I mean, ironically, some friends of mine, we've talked, and they said that this is matrilineal, right, in Judaism.

00:51:09.980 Someone expressed kind of, you know, ironically, or like in a funny way, like, Jewish mentality is like female, feminist mentality, ultimately.

00:51:18.320 But what I'm getting at is that they've had, you know, some of those articles, right?

00:51:22.960 Why are so many Jewish women feminists, right?

00:51:25.820 Or why are feminism so Jewish?

00:51:27.560 And that's partially also maybe probably because of how they are seeing themselves as treated internally within their group, right?

00:51:36.120 And then out of that, you get this, okay, well, therefore, we have to change whatever society we are in.

00:51:41.660 So if we're talking about America, for example, they were spearheading the feminist movement to lead us into a situation where basically males are now displaced,

00:51:48.660 competition in the workplace, and now we've led up to a point where DEI and stuff, like, if you're a white male, I mean, you virtually have no chance to get into any of these things.

00:51:59.640 Now you're competing not only with women, but with brown people, foreigners, H-1B visas and everything, right?

00:52:06.600 So this is how they've undermined kind of the society.

00:52:10.240 Yeah, it's true.

00:52:13.120 And we see in Israel now, there are certainly liberal Jews in Israel, but by and large, they are becoming much more conservative

00:52:24.680 simply because they're the ones that have had the children.

00:52:27.920 And they are, you know, there's more segregation between the sexes in these Orthodox communities.

00:52:37.540 What do you think about the protest movement internally?

00:52:40.240 Israel against Netanyahu.

00:52:41.220 That seems to be growing.

00:52:43.020 Yeah.

00:52:43.380 So I'm not sure if that's a contradiction.

00:52:45.420 Maybe those who come in would be more liberal in some ways, but they would never let go of their Zionism, right?

00:52:52.100 No.

00:52:52.280 That wouldn't happen, I think, at this point.

00:52:53.900 I don't think so.

00:52:54.400 You know what I mean?

00:52:54.940 No.

00:52:55.220 It wouldn't be that if the opposition to Netanyahu comes in, all of a sudden, like, yay, open borders for Israel, too.

00:53:01.220 I mean, that's not going to happen.

00:53:02.920 It's not going to happen, yeah.

00:53:03.680 But, yeah, these protesters in Israel are, there's a lot of it now.

00:53:08.560 You know, and it could be that they topple that, you know, they could get a different government ultimately.

00:53:18.200 But that can mean worse, too, actually, in some ways, right?

00:53:21.620 Because I think the right is, you know, ever since Menek and Begum, Begum back in the 70s, they haven't had a labor government.

00:53:30.840 Right.

00:53:31.060 They've had Likud and, you know, it's been one, every new government is further to the right and more hostile towards Palestinians and all that.

00:53:44.300 But so I think the protesters, the Israeli protesters are going to beat up against a dead end there.

00:53:52.880 They are not going to get what they want.

00:53:55.260 And they're going to have to either leave or deal with it.

00:54:01.400 I don't know.

00:54:01.640 Yeah, well, it is kind of an interesting, you know, change, I guess.

00:54:06.320 But at the same time, as we know, when there's war or crisis, and we've seen this in other countries, too, usually a lot of support goes behind the sitting government, right?

00:54:14.340 Or the current prime minister or president, right?

00:54:16.540 I mean, for a while they had, what was it, Naftali was in for a little bit before Netanyahu came back in again.

00:54:23.340 That was the new, still a right-leaning party, you know what I mean?

00:54:25.960 Oh, way, way, way, right.

00:54:27.260 I mean, so it's like hard, you know, massively hardcore right or less hardcore right.

00:54:31.560 That's basically the political dynamic in Israel.

00:54:34.100 Yeah, I mean, that's really what you have there.

00:54:35.220 It's not going to change anytime soon.

00:54:38.340 So it's an interesting kind of situation for Israel right now.

00:54:43.540 And the question is, too, right, of like how much international pressure they can take at this point.

00:54:47.820 Because it's like you see a lot of countries, I think it was the Canadian prime minister, Carney, he was like, you know, he kind of did a double thing.

00:54:55.800 But he was like recognizing Palestine.

00:54:57.480 And then the very next bill or whatever you want to call it to introduce was to also crack down on hate speech and anti-Semitism.

00:55:03.900 So he tried to give both sides something.

00:55:05.600 But regardless, I mean, Ireland have pushed back against this, Sweden to a certain extent, Spain.

00:55:11.780 I mean, there's a number of countries that have, like, said—

00:55:13.900 The UK and France, they're all advocating for a Palestinian state now.

00:55:17.860 Yeah.

00:55:18.780 But Europe is so powerless right now.

00:55:21.760 And the Jews are used to being hated.

00:55:25.560 I don't think that—they don't get troubled by being hated the way white people do.

00:55:31.220 And I think they've got the United States in their pockets still.

00:55:35.480 And they feel they can just do whatever they want.

00:55:39.880 And they're doing whatever they want.

00:55:41.480 Because you can complain, but who's going to stop them?

00:55:43.640 Who's going to stop them?

00:55:44.280 That's just the thing, right?

00:55:45.320 You can have a whole international pressure and the UN and the resolutions.

00:55:49.980 And, I mean, even the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

00:55:54.960 But what happens is completely toothless, right?

00:55:57.500 Completely toothless.

00:55:58.400 Yeah, they understand that there's nothing to stop them right now.

00:56:06.200 And what that means is they can just unleash their innermost tendencies.

00:56:13.400 Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

00:56:14.960 We'll see how that plays out.

00:56:16.420 Because as the rest of the—you know, many countries turn against them.

00:56:20.700 But at the same time, you have that interesting pivot where so-called right-wing parties in Europe are also siding more and more with Israel, right?

00:56:28.240 You get a Sweden Democrat or a Gert Wilders in the Netherlands or, you know, AFD even in Germany, right?

00:56:34.340 They're accused all the time of being anti-Semitic or they have a Nazi past, you know, things like this, right?

00:56:39.340 The Sweden Democrats.

00:56:40.000 But then there was an interesting thing where Israel, for the first time maybe six months ago, a year ago, something like that, where they reached out to these parties and basically said, like, well, you're our guys.

00:56:50.980 We're on good terms with you now.

00:56:52.400 Everything is fine.

00:56:54.100 So—and we've seen this in America, too.

00:56:55.820 There's a pivot when there's a conservative right-wing pivot.

00:56:58.840 They join that kind of with the Zionist cause, right?

00:57:01.580 You've obviously seen that under Trump as well.

00:57:04.000 All of a sudden, they're like, okay, you can have a little bit of, you know, deportations.

00:57:09.720 You can have talk of remigration.

00:57:11.580 We can, you know, attack woke a little bit as long as that's associated with a kind of a pro-Zionist stance.

00:57:18.940 You see what I'm saying?

00:57:20.100 Yeah, I've often thought that the infatuation that these right-wing parties in Europe have with Zionism is because they want to, you know, sort of get rid of the idea of I'm a Nazi kind of thing.

00:57:33.600 Right, yeah.

00:57:34.260 And, you know, you sort of see that in America.

00:57:36.860 You know, of course, you have the Christian evangelicals, but I think the Republican Party is way more pro-Israel than the Democrats right now.

00:57:43.980 And a lot of Democrats are really bailing on Israel.

00:57:48.400 I mean, how can you be a liberal, an American, and see what they're doing over in Gaza, see what they're doing with the Palestinians on the West Bank, and not be horrified by that?

00:57:58.440 I mean, it goes against all your principles.

00:58:02.520 They don't even have a, you know, they don't have a democracy over there because they don't allow the Palestinians to vote.

00:58:10.120 And they've been there, you know, they've been occupying the Palestinian territory for, you know, since 1967, 60 years almost.

00:58:19.740 And, you know, it's glaring, shall we say.

00:58:25.200 But, yeah, the right, I think they want to get legitimacy.

00:58:30.780 And they get legitimacy by saying they're pro-Israel.

00:58:35.160 They know which way the wind blows, maybe, kind of thing, politically?

00:58:40.640 Yeah, they know what the power is, and they know what happens to people who go against Israel in American politics.

00:58:47.380 It's an absolute, you know, like Stephen, like, Stephen Massey, right?

00:58:55.380 Thomas Massey?

00:58:56.300 Thomas Massey from Kentucky.

00:58:57.700 Yep, yep.

00:58:58.200 You know, they're going after him tooth and nail, and now they have millions of dollars against him in the next election.

00:59:05.380 And I'm sure they could find some person who would fit into that political zeitgeist in that area of Kentucky on everything except they would back Israel.

00:59:15.020 And they've already taken out two or three black people, more than that, who have been critical of Israel.

00:59:23.760 And they probably have more to go.

00:59:28.280 But, you know.

00:59:29.700 Do you think the bipartisan thing is over?

00:59:32.720 Like the Democrat side is not even going to, they don't care about that anymore?

00:59:36.420 They're just pivoting towards Republicans or something?

00:59:38.940 I don't know.

00:59:40.320 I'm sure they want to be bipartisan.

00:59:43.020 And they probably do a lot of activism to promote Israel within the Democrat Party.

00:59:50.100 But it's an uphill struggle for them right now.

00:59:52.900 You know, but, you know, there's still, the Democrat Party runs on Jewish money and always has for, you know.

00:59:59.920 Yeah, oh, no, that's not over, right?

01:00:01.340 That's not over.

01:00:02.480 And so they're going to have to kowtow to Israeli, to Jewish Zionist interests.

01:00:10.680 AIPAC still, you know, controls the majority of the politicians, be it a Democrat or Republican.

01:00:14.940 So that's kind of like, yeah, that's one of those issues.

01:00:17.540 You're not going to see a change from there, you know.

01:00:20.820 Yeah, you can even have, you know, public opinion going one way, but the politicians won't.

01:00:25.980 They won't, no.

01:00:26.700 They won't.

01:00:27.240 And, you know, even Democrats, they had some resolution in a House committee and there were 50 members on the committee.

01:00:35.820 And 45 of the Democrats went for it, you know, so only five out of 50.

01:00:42.360 So they can deal with that, obviously.

01:00:44.580 They get overwhelming support.

01:00:47.360 And, you know, politicians are politicians.

01:00:53.340 What they really want to do is win.

01:00:54.380 Self-serving.

01:00:55.100 They want to win elections.

01:00:56.780 Yeah, of course.

01:00:57.000 So they're willing to sell out on some issues, at least.

01:01:01.320 Yeah.

01:01:01.820 To do that.

01:01:02.760 And they do it routinely.

01:01:05.640 Do you think they're, because I think they're also genuinely worried about the, especially since October 7th, but we've seen a tremendous amount of pushback, right?

01:01:13.880 Younger generations, many Israeli, both officials, but also just Jewish activists have talked about, we're losing the information war, right?

01:01:22.680 They've tried to curtail TikTok, they've tried to curtail other platforms, they've done it for a long time, right?

01:01:28.340 YouTube and these places.

01:01:29.920 And they feel like they're losing, you know, support among younger people.

01:01:33.860 And so, therefore, they have to either censor or they have to do something else in order to try to kind of regain, not the trust, but like, you know, I'm not sure how they can do that.

01:01:44.880 And they're certainly willing to censor.

01:01:47.060 I have a little section in the book, which is now updated.

01:01:50.900 Yeah.

01:01:51.060 But saying that there could be a non-Jewish elite.

01:01:56.260 In the last chapter, I put in a section showing that, you know, Jewish power comes from power in the media, power in the academic world, and money, where they can contribute to Jewish causes, fund NGOs, and infrastructure.

01:02:17.080 Like, in the chapter on neoconservatism, I have this whole thing about Jewish infrastructure.

01:02:21.720 I mean, if you're a young non-Jew, a good way to have a career is, you know, write good things about Israel.

01:02:28.260 And you can have a great career in these Jewish think tanks.

01:02:32.280 Your gates will be open in the media, and that sort of thing.

01:02:35.720 Yeah.

01:02:35.880 So those three sources of power, and also the legal system, I think, is something I really should get into, or somebody should.

01:02:46.640 But anyway, but you could have a non-Jewish elite, because Jewish, you know, the old legacy media is much less effective now.

01:02:54.900 You know, you've got podcasts like yours, and so many, you know, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and they're all sort of gone conservative, and social media.

01:03:09.160 Do you think it's genuine by Tucker Carlson?

01:03:11.660 I mean, Charlie Kirk, even before he was assassinated, was allegedly, supposedly, now the sum of his, you know, career, was obviously to be all Israel, right?

01:03:20.620 Yeah.

01:03:20.820 But I still think he was kind of towards the end, he was like, okay, we have to address this in some kind of issue.

01:03:28.300 We have to, like, you have to be allowed to talk about criticism of Israel, or we're going to lose everybody.

01:03:33.380 We are no longer going to be the voices that people go to.

01:03:38.160 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:03:38.600 It's almost like they try to kind of get ahead of the trend, and they realize we'll become irrelevant if we don't talk about this.

01:03:44.400 Yeah, you've got to.

01:03:45.040 And young people are tuning out of standard messages on Israel and everything else.

01:03:52.540 Yeah.

01:03:52.680 And so, I think Kirk was coming around, and I wonder what he would have been like in five, ten years.

01:04:00.000 I don't trust his wife to do anything much beyond, you know, the sort of Christian evangelists.

01:04:09.080 You know, I think they're a force for good in some ways, but...

01:04:15.200 I just can't trust some of the voices.

01:04:18.180 I can't trust his wife at all.

01:04:20.200 I don't think she's a heavyweight.

01:04:22.840 I think she'll cave on the big issues like race and all that.

01:04:27.720 I think Charlie Kirk was starting to understand, you know, white people have interests and white people are being persecuted and starting to wake up on that.

01:04:37.080 But the other thing, okay, my idea that there could be a non-Jewish elite, the other thing is money.

01:04:43.280 And you've got people like Elon Musk.

01:04:45.140 Elon Musk put in $300 million to Trump's campaign.

01:04:49.540 And I know Trump's...

01:04:50.580 Just to back that side, right?

01:04:52.440 You've got some non-Jews who got piles of money.

01:04:56.480 And it's not just Musk.

01:04:57.660 I mean, a lot of Trump's donors were not Jewish.

01:05:01.100 So, there's a way.

01:05:03.120 You know, the American elections cost over a billion dollars now in the presidential elections.

01:05:07.040 Insane.

01:05:07.340 And so, you've got to have some serious money.

01:05:09.720 But Elon Musk may well be a trillionaire at some point.

01:05:13.260 You know, it's amazing.

01:05:15.660 But it could happen.

01:05:18.000 And for him, a billion or two is nothing.

01:05:21.100 And so, he could really have a good influence.

01:05:25.640 And I think he has.

01:05:26.400 He bought Twitter.

01:05:27.520 It's gotten much more conservative.

01:05:29.140 It's open to those opinions.

01:05:30.200 And so, that can change.

01:05:38.120 And there's enough non-Jewish money to have a new elite that would fund these elections and fund NGOs and that sort of thing.

01:05:48.840 And could dislodge this stranglehold that the Jewish elite has had on America for the last 60 years or whatever.

01:05:57.500 So, media is very important.

01:06:02.880 And you're mentioning, you know, TikTok and so on.

01:06:05.620 Unfortunately, now, China is being pressured to sell TikTok.

01:06:10.260 And who's the head of the big consortium of groups that is going to do this?

01:06:15.680 This is Larry Ellison.

01:06:17.100 Yeah.

01:06:17.540 And he is a Zionist.

01:06:20.140 He's a neocon.

01:06:21.580 He installed Barry Weiss as a head of CBS.

01:06:25.980 I saw that.

01:06:26.900 My God.

01:06:28.080 Barry Weiss is gung-ho fanatic pro-Israel.

01:06:31.160 Oh, yeah.

01:06:31.740 Yep.

01:06:32.000 And so, TikTok, once it comes under his, you know, he has a lot of influence.

01:06:38.940 I notice now they want to bring in the Murdochs.

01:06:41.720 You know, is that really good or not?

01:06:43.160 Yeah.

01:06:43.760 I don't know.

01:06:44.360 Yeah.

01:06:44.940 It's not.

01:06:46.100 I just want to say that before we continue.

01:06:47.600 Even those that are, like, you know, non-Jewish money or whatever, they're aligned with them, though, many of them.

01:06:53.180 Right?

01:06:53.340 So, what does it matter, you know, kind of thing, right?

01:06:55.300 I think Elon Musk, in his deepest heart, is a white South African.

01:07:00.220 You think so?

01:07:00.480 And he gets it.

01:07:01.280 I hope he does.

01:07:01.920 And he's had some tweets about, you know, saying, agreeing with somebody who said the ADL has opposed white interests.

01:07:10.520 He's got tweets that indicate to me that he's aware of Jewish power.

01:07:20.000 And he could, you know, it's sort of like a work in progress with people like that.

01:07:26.940 Because he's very spurgy.

01:07:28.000 He flip-flops, right?

01:07:28.980 He flip-flops.

01:07:29.500 Very contradictory.

01:07:30.300 Yeah, he went to Israel.

01:07:30.580 You don't know where you got him.

01:07:31.380 Yeah, after he said that, hey, he went to Israel and went to Auschwitz and blah, blah, blah.

01:07:35.400 Yeah, looking at the empty shells in the baby crib and the humiliation ritual, you know.

01:07:39.500 Yeah, but, you know, that doesn't mean he changed his real opinions.

01:07:43.420 No, no, he could.

01:07:44.360 He definitely has, skew the language, but he definitely has fuck you money, as they say.

01:07:48.260 So, he can.

01:07:48.720 He's got fuck you money, yeah.

01:07:49.760 He can.

01:07:50.180 And it doesn't matter what other people, you know, he could be hated by this.

01:07:57.180 He can't maybe do that right now, but he can head in that direction.

01:08:02.860 And if he understands it, and I think intelligent people have got to understand, if you're involved

01:08:12.100 in politics, you understand how the world works out there.

01:08:15.820 You understand what happens to politicians to get off the reservation on Israel, get off

01:08:21.340 the reservation on white interests and immigration and stuff.

01:08:25.960 So, you know, you get it, and then you realize what the establishment is, what they want,

01:08:33.520 and, you know.

01:08:34.500 You've got to play carefully, too, right?

01:08:36.000 Because people are assassinated and, you know, threatened, blackmailed.

01:08:40.740 Yeah, and.

01:08:41.540 Look at the little Epstein thing, right?

01:08:42.740 I mean, just to tie that in, that's a Mossad-Israeli operation.

01:08:46.600 Look at where the money flew from, you know, from Les Wexner into, you know, Epstein coffers

01:08:51.580 than he does this, he's tied to Ghislaine Maxwell, which is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, media

01:08:57.420 tycoon in Britain.

01:08:58.780 You know, he is buried in the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

01:09:01.680 I mean, this is all very, it's a mafia, right?

01:09:05.200 It's a mob, right?

01:09:06.520 Yeah, it's a mafia, but I do think people understand it if they're informed.

01:09:13.160 Right.

01:09:13.420 And, you know, it helps to have someone like Musk potentially really becoming an activist

01:09:22.320 for us and maybe under the table funding things.

01:09:27.820 Well, he should, shouldn't he?

01:09:29.080 I mean, he's even.

01:09:29.920 He should.

01:09:30.420 I mean, he, again, flip-flopping back and forth at Tommy Robinson is so, he's also aligned

01:09:36.400 with those interests ultimately, right?

01:09:37.800 Yeah.

01:09:37.940 You know, there for a while, he was like, he's going to, you know, help fund, you know,

01:09:42.520 partially him, but also advance UK, which he, which Tommy Robinson is tied to, which

01:09:46.760 is under the management of Benjamin Habib, I think he's Pakistani, half Pakistani or something

01:09:51.940 like that.

01:09:52.180 But anyway, he retweeted like Steve Laws, one of the, you know, preeminent voices of the

01:09:56.200 re-migration movement in the UK.

01:09:58.160 And I'm just like, just put a, give him a million bucks or something.

01:10:03.160 You know what I mean?

01:10:03.500 Like this, it's so, which means it's nothing to him, right?

01:10:06.200 It's nothing.

01:10:06.600 But, but is it happening on the back end?

01:10:08.560 It does.

01:10:08.800 It seems to just be mostly words at this point, which is kind of strange in a way, right?

01:10:13.440 But, you know, he's one of these people I really have hope for.

01:10:16.580 Yeah.

01:10:16.820 I do think that he would be taking a big chance.

01:10:19.340 You know, you could see what happened when he allied himself with Trump.

01:10:22.000 You suddenly had all these protests against Tesla.

01:10:25.480 Liberals wouldn't buy Tesla cars anymore.

01:10:27.620 Yeah.

01:10:28.040 And you wonder, could they take down his business?

01:10:32.340 But if he's got a certain amount of money in the bank, it almost doesn't matter.

01:10:36.600 Um, how much money can one person have?

01:10:39.960 And, uh, yeah, they're talking about him possibly being the first trillionary.

01:10:45.160 And Tesla, the stock right now is, is quite high, as I understand it.

01:10:49.360 Okay.

01:10:49.780 Yeah.

01:10:49.920 And, um, he, that means he is, you know, when he allied himself with Trump at first, he

01:10:55.820 got like 400 billion, he was, his wealth was up to $400 billion, I think.

01:11:01.620 And, uh, boy, talk about fuck you money.

01:11:04.120 That is unfathomable.

01:11:06.360 But now Larry Ellison, you know, he's got 350 billion and he's totally Neil Kahn.

01:11:13.920 It's so much money.

01:11:14.300 It's insane.

01:11:15.180 Holy smokes.

01:11:15.980 And, uh, it's...

01:11:19.360 What I think about it is too, though, the left has been, and I think it's evident of the,

01:11:25.760 you know, cause again, we can look at the backstory, right?

01:11:27.500 I had a couple of headlines, uh, you know, from that regarding, uh, the origins of Antifa,

01:11:32.480 right?

01:11:32.660 Cause now there's on the docket here of like actually labeling them, but officially terror.

01:11:37.200 He signed an executive order, right?

01:11:38.860 Trump apparently to label Antifa as a terrorist group.

01:11:41.120 Now I think he would have to go the route of doing it as a foreign terrorist organization,

01:11:45.880 just because it's so hard.

01:11:47.180 There's no internal mechanism to have a domestic terrorist organization, but he could go there,

01:11:51.520 right?

01:11:51.700 Partially because of course they were founded in Germany, their presence in Western Europe,

01:11:54.860 they've got that money elsewhere.

01:11:57.420 Uh, there's even people in Antifa that have gone to like, um, parts in, in Kurdistan,

01:12:03.060 Northern Iraq to train with them and things like this.

01:12:05.640 So there's a clear, it's a very easy thing to do, but I can't help to feel at the same

01:12:09.140 time with this proposed Antifa ban that it's like, that's also because that part of the

01:12:13.520 left have kind of played out their role, right?

01:12:16.080 They were at that height kind of in the, when they joined with like BLM and the 2020 riots

01:12:20.120 and all that stuff, right?

01:12:21.000 They're still there.

01:12:21.620 I'm not saying it's over, but I'm saying it seems the establishment have said like,

01:12:26.260 no, we're going the conservative route.

01:12:28.280 We're going Trump, we're going MAGA, we're going, as I saw the other headline there too,

01:12:32.820 with these pro, you know, kind of anti-immigration parties in Europe that's more right-wing and

01:12:38.020 then joining the, the absolutely 100% valid discontent that we feel and that we must do something

01:12:45.340 about the situation.

01:12:46.140 Joining that sentiment with also then kind of a, just a pro-Zionist stance essentially.

01:12:50.940 Pro-Zionist and not really doing anything about our predicament in the West, really

01:12:56.920 deporting, really ending birthright citizenship, things like that that need to be done.

01:13:04.180 And the question is, will they?

01:13:05.700 And, you know, it's certainly no big, big, great thing for us if the media becomes neocon more

01:13:16.080 than it is now.

01:13:17.420 Yeah.

01:13:17.560 You know, is that possible?

01:13:19.800 I guess it is.

01:13:20.900 Well, with Barry Weiss and Larry Ellison, it's going to be that way.

01:13:23.800 They, they, they're much more conservative.

01:13:25.740 They're Trump supporters.

01:13:26.840 And, but, but they are, you know, pro-Israel and, and that's not going to change.

01:13:33.300 And so I, I, and I say, I, you know, and I wrote a little piece on, on that and in it,

01:13:42.140 I had, you know, some quote from her, from Barry Weiss about how we are alive to blacks

01:13:49.460 and browns and people and, and that sort of thing.

01:13:53.140 So this is going to be no conservative that's not really pro-white at all.

01:13:58.660 And, uh, but it looks like they're giving, how do I put this?

01:14:01.960 I've seen a very interesting trend, right?

01:14:03.740 With the deportation's eyes.

01:14:05.080 Have you seen some of the posts they've done on like, you know, the Department of Homeland

01:14:08.200 Security on their Twitter?

01:14:09.940 It's that's kind of, it's not even like alluding to white identity.

01:14:13.180 It's like these almost 1945, 40s, 50s propaganda posters with a white man, like join the struggle

01:14:19.200 for the homeland kind of thing.

01:14:20.600 They do like meme videos where like, yeah.

01:14:22.940 Like, uh, what is it called again?

01:14:24.560 Um, a monster ball.

01:14:26.560 What is it called?

01:14:27.440 There's some, there's some anime stuff that, like what I'm saying is it's, it's interesting.

01:14:32.300 They're giving us some crumbs.

01:14:34.200 Yeah.

01:14:34.580 And I think that's because they understand that there is a rise in white identity overall

01:14:39.220 or pro-white advocacy.

01:14:40.620 And I think they're smart enough to understand at least some of them that we have to either,

01:14:44.920 either we work with that and steer it in a different direction or it's going to become

01:14:50.000 a bigger threat.

01:14:51.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:14:51.620 Yeah.

01:14:52.180 And so, although it's, it's still good because it means they are forced to respond to something,

01:14:57.000 right?

01:14:57.160 They're kind of backed into a corner.

01:14:58.500 What do we do?

01:14:59.120 Like, do we, do we try to kind of give them some nationalism?

01:15:02.340 And as they do that, that it will also continue to increase.

01:15:05.180 So they're kind of in a predicament, but I'm saying we also have to be careful that it's

01:15:08.720 not just kind of, I just call it, it's crumbs off the table and people are so desperate

01:15:13.660 for it that they, they lack, they take anything, you know what I mean?

01:15:17.060 And it's not, is it, is it, is it a sincere group behind those kinds of changes that's

01:15:23.240 kind of happening within the culture?

01:15:25.040 Or is it just a deflection or like, okay, here you go, white man, you know, kind of thing

01:15:29.100 like, come back into the military again, please, we're sorry that we excluded you for a while.

01:15:33.900 Come fight our wars again.

01:15:35.180 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:15:35.980 That's a little bit of the, the dynamic that I see happening here.

01:15:39.900 I think you're right that they, the establishment may bend on this, but they're not going to

01:15:47.420 break and they're not going to really change this country, you know, to make it, to make

01:15:55.360 it white again, to make it as it was at all.

01:16:01.080 And I think, you know, Jews like Barry Weiss, you know, really hate white people and they're

01:16:07.440 going to be more influential.

01:16:11.080 And so, yeah, we have to really be aware of that, but.

01:16:16.040 Here's, here's one example, just to show you real quick.

01:16:18.900 CNN, of course, for the wrong reasons are complaining on this, but again, they appeal to nostalgia,

01:16:24.500 the Department of Homeland Security, with motifs of white identity.

01:16:29.100 That's just one, the American Progress, the painting, but if I scroll down, I think hopefully

01:16:32.660 they're embedded, some of them.

01:16:33.700 So here's one example, heritage to be proud of, hopefully these loads fine here, but you

01:16:38.700 just, it's very interesting.

01:16:40.300 Yeah.

01:16:41.760 Okay.

01:16:42.180 No, that was the same one.

01:16:43.160 Sorry.

01:16:43.780 I'll pull some of these up here, but it's kind of interesting that they're doing, you know,

01:16:48.260 meme videos.

01:16:49.320 And what I'm saying is they're responding to like a, you know, online culture of like young

01:16:54.500 people that are, you know, understanding the problems and they're trying to placate, I think,

01:16:59.140 to a certain extent.

01:16:59.860 You know, there were two Jews that I was aware of as Jews at the Charlie Kirk Memorial,

01:17:05.260 and they were both extolling Western civilization and culture.

01:17:10.060 They didn't talk about Judeo-West, you know, Judeo-Christian.

01:17:13.640 They talked about Christian going back to Athens and Rome and not, and, you know, Miller

01:17:22.780 and not the other guy saying, you know, all the, all the inventions, all the, it sounded

01:17:28.460 like Rucaro Duchesne.

01:17:29.980 And, and, you know, it's like the West is, is this incredible force for inventiveness and

01:17:38.600 science and technology and, and always has.

01:17:42.420 And we have to understand, that was a big thing for those, for those guys.

01:17:48.040 And I think Stephen Miller understands that as a Jew, you know, that he's sort of suspect.

01:17:55.340 He's not going to go into, you know, all, you know, we need more non-white immigrants or

01:18:00.900 something like that.

01:18:01.720 And, and I think he understands that standing up for the West is, is the way that the Jews

01:18:08.580 ought to go.

01:18:10.240 And that, the thing is that has to have some teeth in it.

01:18:14.920 Yes.

01:18:15.320 Where it really hits the road and we can see some change.

01:18:20.800 There's another example, the Homeland Security official account, right?

01:18:24.000 America needs you.

01:18:25.160 Which way American man, which is that, you know, which way Western man, right?

01:18:28.620 They're playing on that kind of thing.

01:18:29.780 Um, but then you do have, which, which West is it though, right?

01:18:34.200 Uh, a couple of examples.

01:18:35.460 Prime Minister Netanyahu retweeted a statement Friday afternoon that said, overthrowing him

01:18:38.820 would cause the collapse of the global right wing.

01:18:41.780 Here's another one.

01:18:43.320 Um, Israel is effectively the leader of the West.

01:18:46.520 It's also like associating the West.

01:18:48.400 The West is, you know, because it's like Judeo-Christianity, Western values, right?

01:18:53.360 It's the Bible.

01:18:54.080 It's like, that's, that's the same thing.

01:18:55.960 That's, they've kind of done that in a way now.

01:18:57.620 They do, they do that.

01:18:58.660 And, and, and, you know, some, some stupid white people buy into it.

01:19:04.320 Um, you know, they, we have to get over that.

01:19:06.860 They're not on our side.

01:19:08.100 They hate us essentially.

01:19:10.520 And, uh, you know, I, one of my nightmares is the idea that if they really got power in

01:19:17.440 this country, it would be like the Soviet Union early on, the early decades, it would be mass

01:19:23.080 murder and there would be gulags and, and, uh, for people like you and me.

01:19:28.280 And, and it's, um, but to get us there, they seek our support and our, uh, they want to give

01:19:34.740 us some crumbs now that we agree with them.

01:19:37.580 Let me play.

01:19:38.400 I'm not sure if you've seen this, um, Norm or Norman Coleman.

01:19:41.960 Uh, he was, uh, he, he was an American politician, attorney, lobbyist.

01:19:47.060 Uh, I think he was, uh, he served as the United States Senator from Minnesota for a while.

01:19:51.220 But speaking to TikTok, uh, this is an interesting clip too, because you're very just brazenly,

01:19:56.740 openly talking about like, we got to take over all these platforms, those that they don't

01:20:00.600 yet control.

01:20:01.780 Uh, listen to this here, Kevin.

01:20:03.840 A majority of Gen Z have an unfavorable impression of Israel.

01:20:08.620 And my friends, I think the reason for that is that we're losing the digital war.

01:20:13.100 Okay.

01:20:13.320 They're getting their information from TikTok and, and, uh, whatever it is.

01:20:17.700 And we're losing that war.

01:20:18.820 And when you think about it, the masters of the universe are Jews, you know, we've got

01:20:23.780 Altman, we've got Zuckerberg, we've got Sergei Brin, we've got the whole group across the

01:20:29.180 board, Jan Combs, you know, head of founded WhatsApp.

01:20:32.700 It's us.

01:20:34.000 And we have to figure out a way to win the digital battle.

01:20:38.000 Amelia, we got to get our digital sneakers on so that the truth can prevail over the lies.

01:20:43.520 And when we do that, the future of Israel will be stronger because the majority of, of,

01:20:48.300 of all Americans will support Israel.

01:20:50.280 We'll make that happen.

01:20:51.580 We have to make it happen.

01:20:52.660 Thank you.

01:20:53.260 Baruch HaChem.

01:20:54.100 Thank you.

01:20:55.100 Baruch HaChem, or whatever it says at the end there.

01:20:57.460 Yeah.

01:20:57.680 Yeah.

01:20:58.580 Kind of brazen there, eh?

01:21:00.680 Kind of, we're the masters of the universe.

01:21:03.060 One thing I've wondered is that, is, is the reason why there's been so much pressure on

01:21:07.720 China to get rid of TikTok?

01:21:08.960 Is it because the Jews wanted to take it over?

01:21:13.940 And, and I, and I, you know, that's sort of what we're seeing.

01:21:17.440 Because you see, uh, um, Ellison and, um, who's that other?

01:21:25.180 A couple other.

01:21:26.940 Well, Zuckerberg, Meta, for example, obviously.

01:21:29.260 And at least, I mean, in the early stages, it was, um, uh, Sergei Brin, the Google thing,

01:21:34.860 they ended up buying YouTube.

01:21:35.700 They put Susan Wojcicki on there.

01:21:37.480 Now it's, I think it's, I mean, it's on Paget now, but regardless, I mean, mostly it's been

01:21:41.340 them who controls the large social media platforms.

01:21:44.040 And, and I think they want to control TikTok and, um, they, uh, are well on the way to

01:21:51.000 doing that.

01:21:51.400 They're doing it now.

01:21:52.160 Yeah, exactly.

01:21:52.740 Yeah.

01:21:52.920 Oracle, uh, is that to take it or overseen, I guess the algorithm will be overseen by Oracle

01:21:58.400 in the U S after the sale is completed.

01:22:00.360 Right.

01:22:00.740 Um, but again, this is, this is also why technology is so important.

01:22:04.320 I mean, I've done a, this is a whole nother thread and I'm not expecting you to have any

01:22:07.660 input on this, but I do talk about AI quite a bit, artificial intelligence, the rise of that

01:22:13.240 and who controls these companies, who programs AI, what's on the back door there.

01:22:17.660 And I mean, there's some headlines interesting where Israel is seeking to become what they

01:22:22.520 call an AI superpower, essentially.

01:22:24.740 Right.

01:22:25.280 So it's kind of like a digital, you know, a digital prison that's being built.

01:22:29.040 And a lot of Israeli companies are just knee deep in this.

01:22:32.440 And, and it's because here, Palantir, exactly.

01:22:35.480 And Sam Altman, of course, open AI.

01:22:37.500 Yep, exactly.

01:22:38.340 I mean, a lot of the big ones are, there's a couple of ones are not, but again, if they're

01:22:42.640 aligned, it doesn't matter, does it really?

01:22:44.580 Right.

01:22:44.800 But Palantir is a big threat, right?

01:22:46.180 So I think that's their attempt to kind of win the digital war, the, you know, that stuff.

01:22:50.060 But it is interesting that overall, though, despite the fact that they've had such control

01:22:54.520 over the social media platforms and the narratives, people are banned and censored for it.

01:22:58.580 It hasn't been enough.

01:22:59.620 And a lot of critique has come out, especially since October 7th, obviously a lot of people

01:23:03.340 were on TikTok.

01:23:04.400 They got, you know, information they'd never seen before about the history and, you know,

01:23:08.820 all these things.

01:23:09.340 A lot of people started like they're losing support.

01:23:11.700 So I feel almost, they have like a window of opportunity, I guess, to a certain extent.

01:23:16.160 Like they either have to push now or they will lose overall the whole, you know, kind

01:23:21.380 of support that they traditionally had, right?

01:23:24.360 It'd be nice if Elon Musk got involved in trying to be involved in the TikTok takeover.

01:23:31.800 So he said, you know, Gen Z does not read the New York Times, Washington Post.

01:23:37.360 They don't watch CBS and NBC and stuff like that.

01:23:41.240 So, you know, they are aware of this and this is what they're trying to do.

01:23:46.780 Yes.

01:23:47.040 So we got some, some of the kind of modern stuff covered.

01:23:51.000 I guess I wanted to play one clip here, speaking to Charlie Kirk, that's kind of interesting,

01:23:54.320 right?

01:23:54.420 Because we always, we thought he was also kind of changing his view.

01:23:57.180 He was talking with, what's her name?

01:23:59.900 The X Fox anchor there.

01:24:01.540 I forget her name now.

01:24:02.320 Megyn Kelly, right?

01:24:03.240 And they were both doing this like five minute preamble.

01:24:06.340 Like we love, we love Israel.

01:24:07.840 Okay.

01:24:08.080 It's fine.

01:24:08.780 You know, like relax.

01:24:09.940 But, you know, and then they started critiquing a little bit and Charlie Kirk talked about

01:24:13.180 how many texts he'd gotten of like, you're in it.

01:24:16.420 What, what are you doing?

01:24:17.440 You're an anti-Semite.

01:24:18.520 And Charlie Kirk was almost like this.

01:24:20.200 Look, I really want to love you guys, but you're making this very hard for me right now.

01:24:25.100 And I, and you know, so was it genuine?

01:24:27.300 Was it not?

01:24:27.800 I think he was kind of like in a position where he realized also these trends that Norm Coleman was

01:24:31.480 talking about, like we're losing the younger people.

01:24:33.620 And Charlie Kirk's idea was basically like, look, you can't cover this up.

01:24:39.780 You can't just put the lid and clamp down harder.

01:24:42.080 You have to discuss these things.

01:24:44.140 And I think Kirk would ultimately would have pivoted towards like, yes, there's a problem

01:24:48.680 with Israel.

01:24:49.700 However, Jews are the chosen people and Jerusalem is, you know, the capital of, you know, Christendom

01:24:55.320 or whatever, you know.

01:24:56.340 And so he would have gone that way, but they didn't allow him whether or not he was assassinated

01:25:00.320 by any of that we can speculate about.

01:25:02.000 It doesn't really matter.

01:25:02.820 It is what it is now.

01:25:03.740 But a lot of people have said that, like, oh, they took him out.

01:25:06.180 He was, they couldn't afford to lose one more guy like Tucker or Candace Owens or, you

01:25:10.680 know, some of these names, right, that have been very open about it.

01:25:14.120 But this was interesting.

01:25:15.540 Short clip here.

01:25:17.680 Israeli agent Rabbi Pesha Wulichki, who gave Charlie Kirk almost daily Hasbro coaching

01:25:23.100 for six months up to the night before his death.

01:25:25.860 Rabbi Pesha, however, insisted Kirk was not Mossad's handler.

01:25:29.000 He just says he, uh, he worked with Charlie to formulate positions that he would be comfortable

01:25:34.700 with.

01:25:35.680 Uh, Wulichki has also public, uh, a public contract with the Israeli government to fly

01:25:39.880 MAGA and pro-Trump influencers to Israel for propaganda tours.

01:25:44.380 I remember that story too.

01:25:45.340 I'm not sure if you saw that.

01:25:46.620 A lot of them were doing that.

01:25:47.420 Let's play this and see what he said here.

01:25:50.180 Your last meeting with Charlie, where'd you guys leave it?

01:25:53.000 Was it, okay, here's the talking points he's going out with or was it going to keep talking?

01:25:56.960 Charlie?

01:25:57.700 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:58.620 Meaning, and it was like, and it wasn't about like, this is what you should say, which is

01:26:03.820 how it's being portrayed by the, you know, by the conspiracy theorist, like I'm some sort

01:26:07.580 of Mossad handler.

01:26:08.400 It was more, it was more like talking through the issues and Charlie asking questions and

01:26:14.140 Charlie then saying, okay, I think I'm going to approach this issue this way and, and, and

01:26:18.840 this is going to be my position on it.

01:26:21.080 And, you know, formulating his positions, which weren't necessarily the positions I would

01:26:24.860 want him to take even.

01:26:26.340 Meaning he was, you know, let's say his, you know, whether it's his position on, on, on

01:26:32.060 USA to Israel, which I'm opposed to USA to Israel.

01:26:34.780 I want it to be drawn down and prime minister Netanyahu has said he wants it to also, Charlie

01:26:39.380 would probably have that done more quickly than I would.

01:26:43.780 You know, so I'm not saying that he would just like take my position on everything, but

01:26:47.400 we talked through how to talk about why is, why is Israel actually an American interest?

01:26:54.900 Why is it in America's interest to support Israel?

01:26:56.920 And I don't think he was convinced by some of the arguments that, that I was making, you

01:26:59.960 know, I was just sort of sharing different approaches to it, but also, but not just approaches

01:27:03.340 that I think, or that Israelis think, or that the Israeli government thinks, but more

01:27:07.080 like working with Charlie to formulate a position that he'd be comfortable with.

01:27:11.380 Because I understand where he's coming from politically, and I understand the nuances

01:27:14.540 of what's going on in the Middle East and with Israel.

01:27:16.880 So I can help him formulate a position.

01:27:18.800 It was, it's, it's basically sharing my opinions.

01:27:21.160 Charlie is a listener.

01:27:22.980 He, uh, you know, what was Charlie was a listener.

01:27:25.320 He wanted to hear all opinions, the open marketplace of ideas was the, was like a core, core fundamental

01:27:31.700 more than belief.

01:27:32.580 And it was, it was, it was kind of like his existential core was he believed in that he

01:27:37.640 believed in the open marketplace of ideas, which is why he annoyed people like you and

01:27:41.360 me by platforming Tucker Carlson and whoever else, because for Charlie, the idea that you're

01:27:47.060 supposed to silence any opinion was anathema.

01:27:49.460 But that came from a place of, of, of truth seeking.

01:27:54.720 Did it, do I think he went too far with it?

01:27:57.040 Well, yes, we often, for all of us, our best traits, we often have to a fault, you know?

01:28:05.300 Okay.

01:28:05.780 So there, let's see if this clip had more, because he's talking about how he annoyed the

01:28:10.080 Jewish community.

01:28:10.740 I think this is the one too, that was still certainly very, very interesting, but I think

01:28:13.880 this is more from the interview.

01:28:15.060 Let's see.

01:28:15.300 I don't think there's a duplicator.

01:28:16.420 Let's see.

01:28:16.640 He annoyed people in the Jewish community over the last few months with some of the,

01:28:19.880 with some of the criticisms he had for Israel.

01:28:22.180 And I argued, I don't know if you saw the piece I wrote in the Jerusalem Post a couple

01:28:25.500 of months ago when he was being attacked after Tucker Carlson spoke at SAS and people were

01:28:30.120 calling him an anti-Semite.

01:28:31.280 And, and I know Charlie and, and here, here he's, little do they know half the time he's

01:28:36.520 on college campuses, all he's doing is Hasbara and defending Israel.

01:28:40.200 And he doesn't even want to be, he doesn't even know the issues that well, but he's forced

01:28:43.840 to, but he dutifully with a smile on his face, defends Israel left and right.

01:28:47.860 We all saw what he did at, you know, in England, you know, you know what I'm talking about?

01:28:52.380 Yeah.

01:28:52.840 At the debate.

01:28:53.960 And passionately defending Israel.

01:28:56.100 And that's not even what he wants to be doing.

01:28:58.460 And now he's getting criticized as an anti-Semite.

01:29:00.460 So I wrote that piece in the Jerusalem Post basically saying, listen, everybody, stop with

01:29:03.700 the purity tests for every single view that he has to line up with, I don't know, BB's

01:29:08.780 cabinet decisions, relax.

01:29:11.140 Okay.

01:29:11.460 This is our greatest ally.

01:29:13.580 Yes.

01:29:13.840 He has questions.

01:29:14.720 Yes.

01:29:14.960 He's influenced by the other side as well.

01:29:16.900 Good.

01:29:17.200 I'm talking to him.

01:29:19.300 Interesting.

01:29:19.860 Yeah.

01:29:20.260 That means that, I mean, again, I guess, you know, there's obviously conspiracies flying

01:29:24.700 around that he was, you know, shot by, not the guy they say that he was shot by, obviously,

01:29:29.820 but I'm saying still, I mean, it could be that.

01:29:31.640 So with this really mild criticism, it was basically like, you're going too far, like

01:29:36.940 we're doing this our way, right?

01:29:39.100 And he certainly would be in line with the things we've talked about prior, that when

01:29:44.180 someone breaks rank like that, they are in some way taken care of, right, shall we

01:29:48.700 say?

01:29:49.200 Yeah.

01:29:49.460 I don't know.

01:29:49.900 It's possible, right?

01:29:50.820 What do you think?

01:29:51.320 Yeah.

01:29:52.380 Certainly, if you say, who benefited?

01:29:54.880 Israel did.

01:29:56.340 And, you know, I heard that he turned down money.

01:30:02.340 I heard $150 million.

01:30:04.400 Yeah.

01:30:04.780 Was that Netanyahu or was it this guy?

01:30:07.480 What was his name again?

01:30:08.700 Ultra Zionist billionaire Robert Shillman was one of Charlie Kirk's most committed donors,

01:30:12.720 but as Kirks fell under attack for his increasing level or critique of Israel during his final

01:30:17.100 week, sources says Shillman ended funding for TPUSA.

01:30:21.080 That's kind of interesting too, right?

01:30:22.720 And it was a deal, but Netanyahu had invited him again, I think, to Israel, right?

01:30:28.280 Yes.

01:30:29.280 Which he, I think, did not accept or he didn't have time to accept it yet or something like

01:30:33.400 that, I think.

01:30:33.960 But yeah.

01:30:34.500 So anyway, there's questions there.

01:30:36.020 But the point is, it stands to reason there that if you're a problem, if nothing else,

01:30:44.920 they will just yank your funding immediately.

01:30:46.980 But, you know, the clip said that the other rabbi we played, he was talking about how

01:30:51.540 Charlie was pushing Hasbara, like Israeli propaganda essentially, put those talking points, right?

01:30:56.260 And he was trying to get people back into the fold, but it wasn't good enough apparently,

01:31:00.200 you know?

01:31:01.560 It's very, very interesting.

01:31:03.600 What else is, let's talk about some of the other things that's new in the book, Kevin,

01:31:07.340 here too.

01:31:07.820 I want to make sure we don't just cover latest stuff here.

01:31:11.020 I want to go through some stuff that you have there.

01:31:13.540 Be that new chapters or new editions, you know, things that you feel are important to

01:31:20.160 discuss.

01:31:21.380 Yeah, I, there's a new chapter on the new conservatives.

01:31:26.820 And realize, since 1998, there's, you know, all this stuff is online now.

01:31:32.980 And so I benefited a lot by being able to go online, this Hungarian researcher, whose name

01:31:39.040 I can never pronounce, Lizard, I can't pronounce.

01:31:44.080 Anyway, he really turned me on to this.

01:31:46.960 There's a lot of, for example, you can get Franz Boas' letters, and you can really see

01:31:52.380 how they were tied into the Jewish activist community at the time, or they're being funded

01:31:56.280 by wealthy Jews like Paul Warburg, and same with the Frankfurt School people, very much

01:32:05.320 tied to the sort of New York scene, you know, with people like, like the ADL.

01:32:13.500 They were very much close to the ADL.

01:32:15.900 And they got money from the American Jewish Committee, and so on.

01:32:24.400 So they were very much plugged into Jewish activism.

01:32:28.840 And so I was much better able to document that in a more thorough way.

01:32:34.240 What do you find in Boas' letters?

01:32:36.300 Do you find anything interesting that you can think of off the top of your head there?

01:32:39.360 If you went through some of that?

01:32:40.080 Well, just off the top of my head.

01:32:40.820 I mean, you know, he's writing to these Jewish millionaires at the time and asking for research

01:32:47.780 money.

01:32:49.040 And, you know, he was very motivated by the immigration issue because he wanted to keep

01:32:54.260 Jews coming into the country.

01:32:56.840 And the whole idea of racial science was such a big deal at the time.

01:33:03.320 And so he, and one of the, you know, he was, and this is another theme of the book, is that

01:33:07.780 Jews, because they're a small minority, they try to recruit non-Jews.

01:33:11.820 And so I talk about how he tried to set up this committee of mainly non-Jews, who were

01:33:18.460 headed by non-Jews.

01:33:19.440 But they were prominent, like professors at Columbia and so on.

01:33:24.260 And...

01:33:24.700 Yeah, because this guy really changed fundamentally the ideas of race.

01:33:28.960 I mean, that's...

01:33:29.560 If there's one guy, it's Franz Boas.

01:33:31.500 Franz Boas.

01:33:32.200 Yeah.

01:33:32.660 Very successful.

01:33:33.420 And, you know, by 1925, American Anthropology Association was dominated by his students and

01:33:39.840 him.

01:33:40.340 Yeah.

01:33:41.460 And it's never changed.

01:33:43.460 You know, the American Anthropology Association is still on the left.

01:33:46.560 Yeah.

01:33:46.820 And you have people like Margaret Mead and Ruth Benedict and then Ashley Montague, whose

01:33:54.040 real name was Ilya Ehrenberg.

01:33:56.480 So I don't know.

01:33:56.880 Anyway, the point is that, you know, it really was a Jewish thing and they really resented the

01:34:08.540 idea that race could be important, that white Europeans were somehow better than anybody else.

01:34:17.920 And so it's had a very important effect in the academic world.

01:34:24.120 And now, you know, the whole idea of race has been expunged.

01:34:28.400 Even more so.

01:34:29.500 I mean, when I came up in 1980 in developmental psychology, behavior genetics was still respectable.

01:34:39.180 They had people like Robert Plowman and all that.

01:34:41.960 That has been expunged.

01:34:43.620 Evolutionary psychology started out as being okay, but now it's not.

01:34:47.740 And so people who, you know, they were recruiting behavior geneticists at the time.

01:34:53.800 Now they'll never do that.

01:34:55.820 And genetics has gone by the wayside in the academic world.

01:35:00.020 And so you have independent researchers out there still able to get some grant money and

01:35:03.840 do some work.

01:35:05.140 But, you know, they've decimated it.

01:35:08.620 Which lies, you know, to clarify that, obviously I think people get that watching, but like

01:35:15.220 that lies at the foundation also.

01:35:17.920 Why?

01:35:18.180 Because we were very, we took race into account for the longest time, despite that we were

01:35:22.860 altruistic and maybe more tolerant of sorts than we should have been.

01:35:26.720 It was still a large component of how we traditionally saw ourselves, right?

01:35:30.960 We saw ourselves as a very successful group.

01:35:33.920 We were proud of ourselves for having conquered the continent, built all these railroads, built

01:35:39.340 the civilization.

01:35:40.920 We were proud of ourselves.

01:35:42.480 And now, you know, white people are supposed to be, you know, hiding under a rock, you know,

01:35:47.280 without any pride at all and, you know, oftentimes hated very explicitly.

01:35:54.680 Yeah.

01:35:55.100 And nothing was ever good about colonialism, you know, and that sort of thing.

01:36:01.700 So it doesn't, it's kind of, it doesn't culminate because it's continued, but like works like

01:36:07.240 this, right?

01:36:08.140 Guns, germs, and steel by Jared Diamond, right?

01:36:10.620 Like, and this has just been a nonstop of these like academic books, publications, evolution,

01:36:18.260 science when it comes to, you know, race or morality or psychology, you know, genetics,

01:36:23.300 things like this.

01:36:24.240 Yeah.

01:36:24.640 Well, it was kind of an accident basically, right?

01:36:26.880 You just happen to be on the right place at the right time with the fertile soil or something.

01:36:30.520 You could have animals like cows and, and they couldn't do that in other places.

01:36:35.060 And that's why they, but you know, the idea that there are genetic differences now or anything

01:36:42.260 like that is just anathema to people like Jared Diamond.

01:36:44.740 Yeah.

01:36:45.140 I know, certainly.

01:36:45.860 And I think it was, you know, again, I don't know what these people, I mean, they never did

01:36:51.560 a critique of their own group, right?

01:36:53.100 This is just the West overall or the colonialist powers or America or Europe, you know, things

01:36:58.640 like this, right?

01:36:59.600 I'm convinced they knew exactly what they were doing when they were writing these works.

01:37:03.180 Obviously, this is an intentional undermining.

01:37:04.440 Oh, I think so, for sure.

01:37:05.140 Yeah.

01:37:05.740 You know what I mean?

01:37:05.980 They had a conscious agenda.

01:37:07.560 That's part of my book is to, is to show that they were attempting to advance Jewish interests

01:37:12.980 in some way.

01:37:13.620 Right.

01:37:13.860 In particular, to get rid of anti-Semitism was the most common thing.

01:37:20.000 And, but you know, to, to do that, you, you undermine the culture as a whole, the religion,

01:37:27.960 the separation of church and state is a Jewish thing, you know, that, and the Jews were,

01:37:33.520 I have a very short section on that based on one book that talks about the Jewish attorneys

01:37:39.160 and the Jewish activist organizations pushing separation of church and state, you know, that

01:37:45.240 some Jewish kid would feel out of place if they did a Christmas thing at his school,

01:37:50.960 you know, and, and that kind of thing.

01:37:52.560 Yeah.

01:37:53.500 Inclusivity, those ideas, they're spawned in this era, right?

01:37:56.580 From, obviously, Frankfurt School kicked out of Germany, went over to Columbia University

01:38:00.960 setting up their social research departments.

01:38:03.240 And as you said, they just churned out these like left-wing anti-white, you know, professors

01:38:09.000 and academics that just have infiltrated everywhere.

01:38:11.860 I mean, I even made the point in the video about if you actually were sincere about banning

01:38:15.640 Antifa, right?

01:38:16.760 You have to actually look at, well, what's the foundations of the, of the ideology, right?

01:38:21.420 Where does it come from, right?

01:38:22.580 If it's an overall just an anti-fascist ideology that unifies them, well, now you have to talk

01:38:29.240 about not only academia, you have to talk about entertainment all of a sudden.

01:38:32.900 Now you have to look at, it's infested everywhere, essentially.

01:38:36.620 Most people are by default, you know, and, and Antifa, they're anti-fascist in their nature.

01:38:40.800 Now that doesn't mean they have the right definition of what fascism is, or that they

01:38:44.120 have mislabeled that to other people that they just continue, you know, see as an opponent

01:38:47.900 to, to them.

01:38:48.760 But regardless, it's so deeply infested and ingrained into our culture.

01:38:52.840 Yeah.

01:38:53.240 One of the, one of the new things in the book, uh, in, in the Frankfurt School, I, I emphasize

01:38:59.340 even more than in the past, the first edition, in 2002, well, first edition, I finally, I

01:39:06.600 emphasize that the, the, that the Frankfurt School was critical because they, they realized

01:39:12.980 it wasn't, the Marxist analysis was wrong, you know, that it wasn't a class thing.

01:39:18.120 It was race.

01:39:19.460 It was ethnic.

01:39:21.120 And, and, uh.

01:39:21.740 When did that shift?

01:39:23.120 Yeah, it was a shift because these guys were dyed in the wool Marxist in the 20s.

01:39:26.760 Oh, sure.

01:39:27.300 Yeah.

01:39:27.580 And, and then, you know, Hitler came to power and they realized the working class in Germany

01:39:31.700 was voting for Hitler.

01:39:33.440 Oh, that's not supposed to happen.

01:39:35.080 They didn't rise up against.

01:39:35.660 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:35.840 Marx did that, predict that.

01:39:37.500 Yeah.

01:39:37.660 And, uh, and, uh, and so they, they switched their whole ideology into, to, uh, the problem

01:39:44.080 is white ethnocentrism.

01:39:45.600 And so, um, the Frankfurt School ideology really became anti-white at that point.

01:39:52.600 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 White ethnocentrism.

01:39:54.540 Ignore Jewish ethnocentrism.

01:39:56.260 Don't talk about that.

01:39:57.920 Talk about white ethnocentrism being the problem.

01:40:00.940 And, uh, you know, uh, Andrew Joyce wrote a great article that really expanded this.

01:40:07.000 Um, that is in the new edition where he talks about, um, how, how the, the, uh, the Jews,

01:40:14.960 uh, uh, people like, uh, Flowerman, Max Flowerman, I guess.

01:40:21.980 Um, I forget his first name, but Flowerman, um, they were very interested in getting into

01:40:27.620 media to, to not just do this academic thing, but to get into the mainstream media.

01:40:33.740 This was at a time when Jews are on all three of the big TV networks in this country, you

01:40:38.500 know, ABC, CBS, NBC, all owned by Jews.

01:40:41.800 And, uh, and then, so these guys would come out and they did studies of how do you influence

01:40:47.000 people, uh, with, with messages, media messages.

01:40:50.760 And, and so the, uh, a big push became, uh, you know, how to, how to get into the media and

01:40:57.740 to, to change people's opinions about race and all that.

01:41:02.560 And, and, and you, you see this now, I mean, that, that's how they, they tailor these messages

01:41:07.860 to appeal to people.

01:41:10.060 And it's based on scientific research.

01:41:12.060 So in this way, this is about the only area in my book where these people were really paying

01:41:17.080 attention to the science because they wanted to know how it worked, you know, how you really

01:41:21.840 pay attention, uh, how you really change people's opinions.

01:41:25.720 And, uh, you know, they had, they'd have things, well, there'd be a, a movie that Hollywood

01:41:30.460 put out and they would run it past these people.

01:41:34.540 Is this okay to talk about Jews in this way or not?

01:41:39.200 You know, as the average viewer going to, uh, take home the message that Jews are, are bad

01:41:44.780 or, are they, they're good or what, you know?

01:41:47.420 And so they do all these focus groups and everything.

01:41:50.680 Yeah.

01:41:50.840 Oh yeah.

01:41:51.240 Yeah.

01:41:51.440 Definitely.

01:41:51.980 And, uh, you know, so it became much more scientific.

01:41:54.840 And, uh, so they had, you know, decades and decades of this before social media, the internet

01:42:02.200 and all that.

01:42:02.980 Yeah.

01:42:03.500 And, uh, you know, all the Hollywood studios, all three of the television networks, New York

01:42:11.420 Times, uh, Washington Post at the time.

01:42:14.620 Yeah.

01:42:15.140 And, and, uh, so, you know, the media was a lockdown Jewish at that during those decades.

01:42:22.180 And, uh.

01:42:23.180 Which is really, that's really what kind of fed the, the boomer generation.

01:42:27.860 Yeah.

01:42:27.920 This was the boomers or this really just total, just brainwashing.

01:42:31.460 And most of them never gotten past it.

01:42:32.920 No, no, they have not.

01:42:33.840 It's so strong.

01:42:35.040 Believe it.

01:42:35.620 They, they, uh, they just, you know, I was a hippie back in the sixties, you know.

01:42:42.320 Yeah.

01:42:43.460 MLK and, you know.

01:42:44.820 Yeah.

01:42:45.060 I was a radical in the sixties too, but I grew up for God's sake.

01:42:48.860 Well, exactly.

01:42:49.580 Got real.

01:42:50.080 Yeah.

01:42:50.400 I know.

01:42:51.120 Well, many people don't, they don't analyze these things.

01:42:53.420 They don't think about it deeper.

01:42:54.740 They're just a, it's so nefarious also then when you think about it, right.

01:42:58.460 They just become vessels of someone else's, you know, intent or ideology.

01:43:03.420 They're just like a walking programmable robot, an NPC that just walks around and blurts out.

01:43:08.620 Well, you know, individualism, uh, race doesn't exist.

01:43:11.200 You know, um, we're all, we're all bleed red, whatever the slow, sloganeering, you know,

01:43:16.020 like whatever slogans is.

01:43:17.700 If blacks don't do well in school, it must be some kind of white racism somewhere in the

01:43:22.640 pipeline.

01:43:23.620 My socioeconomic reasons.

01:43:25.780 Or, uh, teachers are racist or whatever.

01:43:28.900 Yeah.

01:43:29.200 Anyway, that it's pervasive now.

01:43:31.820 You know, and, uh, but you know, there's pushback now.

01:43:35.400 No, there is.

01:43:36.000 I mean, more and more.

01:43:37.060 Yeah.

01:43:37.400 So as we said, I mean, this has been a, a weapon, right?

01:43:40.560 That's why I have to see it.

01:43:41.380 All, most of these things have been a sledgehammer against white people, against the Western world,

01:43:46.080 against our history, our traditions, everything, uh, in order to break it down.

01:43:50.520 And certainly we've gotten to that point.

01:43:52.080 Now, what's interesting is that we're also kind of then subjugated to many of the same selection

01:43:56.840 pressures, right?

01:43:58.300 Um, that I guess this group was as well to a certain extent.

01:44:01.960 To a certain extent.

01:44:02.880 Um, where now you, there's a, there's a big chance that we'll see maybe obviously a smaller

01:44:09.100 group, but a much more radical in that sense.

01:44:11.940 I would just use the word normal, to be honest, because it's just about returning back to normal,

01:44:16.060 you know, values essentially.

01:44:17.580 But I'm saying since everything has shifted so much, you know, left and become so anti-white,

01:44:22.560 what is simply just normal now is seem, is labeled as extremism, right?

01:44:28.080 That's what it's been.

01:44:28.940 Any type of pro-white advocacy or, you know, anything that they'd see as an enemy has, has

01:44:34.800 been labeled extremism.

01:44:35.680 So, but we're seeing that shift, I think too, where people just don't, they also just don't

01:44:40.520 care anymore.

01:44:42.240 It's when the reality on the ground is so different than what they're trying to feed

01:44:46.160 you in the mainstream media, people just check out like the younger generations have.

01:44:50.520 And sure, there's still traps there.

01:44:51.940 There's still, you know, pitfalls and things you can fall, you know, fall into.

01:44:54.880 But at least the opportunity for a while has been that you can break out of that essentially,

01:44:59.580 right?

01:45:00.300 Yeah.

01:45:00.720 I think a lot of these young people have had to go to schools that are integrated and they've

01:45:05.200 gotten beat up by black people and, and they've seen black behavior in school and, and academic

01:45:12.180 performance and so on.

01:45:13.760 And, you know, this anti-DEI thrust of the Trump administration is certainly very welcome.

01:45:19.820 It's the kind of thing that is, is necessary.

01:45:22.140 It's a very low bar.

01:45:25.440 So it's very little that they have to do for us to feel that they're doing something,

01:45:28.300 but regardless, I think, I still think it's a good, it's going in the right direction regardless,

01:45:32.440 even if it's not for the right reasons.

01:45:34.300 Right.

01:45:35.580 And, uh, you know, they shame some people.

01:45:41.480 We got to have shaming back.

01:45:42.780 I'll tell you, that's why our culture needs shaming, you know, to like make it more cohesive

01:45:47.420 and bring it back together again.

01:45:48.820 You know, it's, it's, it's vital.

01:45:49.920 You know what I mean?

01:45:50.280 It has to be shamed and shaming has to go in the right way.

01:45:52.800 I mean, white people are uniquely shameable, unfortunately, and we have to be able to

01:45:58.360 shame people for not, for not standing up for whites and for, uh, yeah.

01:46:04.140 Yep.

01:46:05.040 Um, what else would you like to, uh, bring up here?

01:46:08.360 I'm still running up in a little bit here, but again, guys, third edition, culture of critique

01:46:12.260 out now, Antelope Hill.

01:46:13.700 Is that the best?

01:46:14.280 Yeah, Antelope Hill, uh, has better prices than Amazon does, I think.

01:46:18.440 There you go.

01:46:19.060 And, um, so yeah, it is a tome.

01:46:23.480 I mean, it's 770 pages or some damn thing.

01:46:27.140 Yeah.

01:46:28.060 I apologize anyway for that, but it's, there's a lot to write about.

01:46:32.760 It's, well, of course, and it's as academic as it's needed to be in order to lay the foundations

01:46:37.280 for why we have adapted the, the stances that we have, right?

01:46:41.360 It's not just like, because we feel like it, we actually, you know, people like you, we're

01:46:44.860 standing on the, you know, the shoulders of giants like you, Kevin, you know, done the

01:46:48.360 work on this, you know?

01:46:49.220 The, the, uh, the, the fact is that, you know, academics, we are, uh, sort of ivory tower

01:46:57.940 type.

01:46:58.280 We don't, we're not that good with, you know, activism and stuff like that, but more memes.

01:47:05.140 But I think there's an important role for it.

01:47:07.320 Oh, it is.

01:47:08.120 And, um, to have something in the background.

01:47:11.280 100%.

01:47:11.720 Oh yeah.

01:47:12.500 Refer to.

01:47:13.300 Absolutely.

01:47:14.380 Um, no, great stuff.

01:47:16.080 I've always enjoyed your work so much and just thank you for, you know, what you've done

01:47:19.940 and, and the, the courage and the fact that you've stand up, stood up early in the process

01:47:24.740 for, for white people, you know what I mean?

01:47:26.600 And you've paid a price for it as so many others have as well.

01:47:29.600 Yeah.

01:47:29.700 I started realizing I, I, you know, I was, you know, I went from being pro-Jewish to being

01:47:35.360 sort of skeptical about Israel.

01:47:37.080 I remember sort of waking up, uh, when Jimmy Carter went to New York during the campaign

01:47:42.180 and really sucked up the Jewish interests.

01:47:44.560 And, uh, even though he sort of straightened out later on, um, but by the, it wasn't until

01:47:50.440 the 1990s that I was doing this and reading more about it.

01:47:54.860 And especially when I started reading about Jews and immigration, that is what turned me.

01:48:00.640 These people are not on our side.

01:48:02.420 Right.

01:48:03.080 And, and no matter what they say, how they're trying to frame it, they are not on our side

01:48:08.460 and, uh, they are trying to destroy white America basically.

01:48:12.620 Yeah, definitely.

01:48:13.500 Uh, and Europe as well.

01:48:15.620 And, you know, every, every white, you know, country, every white country.

01:48:18.640 And again, even the neocons, I've shown these so many times, but just a quick, I always like

01:48:21.880 to squeeze it in there, right?

01:48:23.340 That just like, you have to remember like neoconservatives disproportionately Jewish.

01:48:28.040 I don't think this is a secret to anyone out there watching, but, but again, even what

01:48:31.520 Wesley Clark said, right?

01:48:32.600 About the American foreign policy coup, right?

01:48:35.860 There are a couple of hard nosed individuals come in.

01:48:38.000 And that's his words, um, to basically take over, um, you know, you have the Israeli lobby.

01:48:44.060 There's a similar lobby in, in Europe as well, but this was intensely just an idea to benefit

01:48:49.060 Israel.

01:48:49.600 Yeah.

01:48:50.120 Um, and, and somehow they managed to just kind of, kind of take over, you know, they're just

01:48:54.300 like, well, how did this happen?

01:48:55.400 Who, who gave up how, when, you know, kind of thing.

01:48:57.540 And it's very, very interesting.

01:48:59.540 Yeah.

01:48:59.640 They really pushed people out in the Reagan administration, uh, sort of traditional conservatives,

01:49:04.480 uh, were pushed out by these neocons very aggressively.

01:49:09.240 Uh, and for no good reason, Sam Francis has some great quotes on that, that I have in my

01:49:15.300 chapter on neoconservatism.

01:49:16.640 Uh, and, uh, cause he witnessed it and, uh, you know, well known, very respectable, old

01:49:24.580 line paleoconservatives were just thrown out.

01:49:27.820 And then Pat Buchanan, you know, um, very much, Pat Buchanan was really, uh, you know,

01:49:36.200 he, he figured it out and, uh, he ran pretty successfully, but boy, the Jews hated him.

01:49:45.340 And that was, um, oh my gosh, why can't I remember his name?

01:49:49.960 Spacing out on it.

01:49:51.040 That was, um, uh, Roger Stone that helped to destroy, uh, Buchanan's career.

01:49:57.200 Remember?

01:49:57.620 Yeah.

01:49:58.180 Um, very interesting.

01:49:59.600 And of course he became aligned with Trump, right?

01:50:01.500 So like they were going to start to like, okay, that guy we can't have, but if they want,

01:50:07.380 if Americans want to go that way, let's bring you this kind of controlled version of that,

01:50:11.980 I guess, to a certain extent, right?

01:50:13.080 Do you have all the history with Trump there of like, uh, um, and I, I have some, some hope

01:50:19.100 for people like Tucker Carlson.

01:50:20.560 I know he ain't perfect by any means and he's going full Christian now, uh, to the extreme

01:50:26.840 actually, but you know, he's interviewed Daryl Cooper about World War II orthodoxy.

01:50:32.500 He's, uh, and just at the, at the Charlie Kirk thing, he, he talked about these guys

01:50:37.480 getting together in a room and deciding to kill Jesus because he was saying some bad

01:50:41.380 things.

01:50:41.480 Eating hummus in the tent.

01:50:43.440 Yeah.

01:50:43.760 That was his words, right?

01:50:45.720 And, and yeah, so.

01:50:46.640 It was kind of funny.

01:50:47.320 It was, it seemed inappropriate though at a memorial.

01:50:49.500 It was kind of an odd thing with fireworks and stuff, but anyway, we don't have to, it

01:50:52.740 was kind of odd, but regardless, that was a good comment.

01:50:54.980 I agree with you.

01:50:56.380 It was, yeah.

01:50:57.100 Yeah.

01:50:57.220 And then Jews were, got one crazy over it and said he was implying that Israel killed,

01:51:02.060 killed Charlie Kirk and which was way over the top.

01:51:06.320 But, um, it is certainly true that I can't believe he didn't, he says he didn't mean it

01:51:13.500 or didn't think he was doing it.

01:51:15.240 Did he backpedal?

01:51:16.100 But yeah, he backpedaled.

01:51:17.440 But, uh, the fact is I think he, he knew damn well what he was doing.

01:51:23.300 Yeah.

01:51:23.900 Yeah.

01:51:24.080 But, uh, we'll see.

01:51:26.680 They, they, you know, I have hope for Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson that they're not there,

01:51:31.480 but they may get there.

01:51:32.920 Well, I'll say this about it.

01:51:34.480 It certainly doesn't hurt to have those people on our side.

01:51:37.840 Yeah.

01:51:38.040 We should recognize that.

01:51:38.960 But at the same time we should, and I'm not saying this is what you're saying, but I'm,

01:51:42.920 I'm saying we can't wait for someone to show up and be a savior.

01:51:47.560 Yeah.

01:51:47.760 I think you do something like, and wait for my institutional money to come in and support,

01:51:51.640 you know, build stuff and, you know, we have to do what we can.

01:51:53.440 We have to do what we can.

01:51:54.300 Exactly.

01:51:54.880 Absolutely.

01:51:55.240 Uh, but however, it is interesting that like, there's very few that they're too comfortable.

01:52:01.600 Yeah.

01:52:01.780 So still, you know what I mean?

01:52:03.080 The, the, the, the mega wealthy people, they just, you know, they fly with their choppers

01:52:06.800 from one ivory tower to the next.

01:52:08.540 They don't really see the reality on the ground.

01:52:10.740 They're not, they're not fully hurt by this yet.

01:52:13.100 Yeah.

01:52:13.300 Uh, but however, we are getting closer and closer to a point.

01:52:16.000 I think we're like, this is going to affect everybody who's white, no matter where they

01:52:20.560 fall in the, you know, in the class sense.

01:52:23.320 Right.

01:52:24.400 Yeah.

01:52:24.860 The people, wealthy people may think they're going to escape this, but they're not.

01:52:28.180 I mean, who were the first people that were killed in the Balsy Warp revolution?

01:52:31.780 It was a Russian aristocracy.

01:52:34.380 That's right.

01:52:35.000 Yep.

01:52:35.160 And, uh, that, that could happen again.

01:52:38.680 Indeed.

01:52:39.480 Uh, let me take, uh, there's a couple of super chats here.

01:52:41.820 Crafty Boom with 14, simple says, uh, cheers.

01:52:44.540 Well, cheers to you, Crafty Boom.

01:52:45.700 Appreciate it.

01:52:46.240 We got a big one from Albert here too.

01:52:48.460 Thank you, Albert.

01:52:49.180 As always, big salute to you.

01:52:51.220 Appreciate you so much.

01:52:52.200 She says, hi, Henrik.

01:52:53.280 Uh, I thought, I thought I got power chat to work, but it couldn't take a payment over

01:52:56.400 a hundred.

01:52:56.900 He sent 300.

01:52:57.720 Thank you, Albert.

01:52:58.520 Uh, so sorry about that.

01:52:59.600 Not your fault.

01:53:00.300 That's going to be something on their end.

01:53:01.340 We appreciate you trying though.

01:53:02.520 Uh, anyway, looking forward to the show.

01:53:04.340 Thank you, Albert.

01:53:04.840 We appreciate it greatly.

01:53:05.960 It's always good to see you.

01:53:07.400 Um, so yes, no, that this is what we're doing here.

01:53:09.620 Ladies and gentlemen, we're doing a plug for Culture of Critique.

01:53:13.180 Third edition out right now.

01:53:15.120 Antelope Hill, pick up a copy.

01:53:16.640 This is really, listen to it.

01:53:18.920 It weighs 35 pounds.

01:53:20.880 Yeah, pretty much.

01:53:22.160 It's a, it's a tome, as you said, magnum opus on, uh, on the, no, it's fine.

01:53:27.060 That's how it should be.

01:53:27.940 You do it.

01:53:28.780 You have, this is the backdrop and then you do, you know, like memes and short videos

01:53:33.680 that trickles in to be, that's basically stands on the foundation of the kind of work that

01:53:39.280 you've done.

01:53:39.700 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:53:40.200 Like that's how it works, right?

01:53:41.580 Um, so yeah, definitely guys pick up a copy.

01:53:43.620 Antelope Hill.

01:53:44.800 Uh, is there, is there an ebook version of it too for people that want that?

01:53:47.900 Is there, yeah, there is, uh, no, no, there's a hardcover.

01:53:50.640 Hardcover or there's a paperback.

01:53:52.320 Okay.

01:53:52.800 Paperback at this point.

01:53:53.920 And I think I don't know.

01:53:54.960 You should have a real book though.

01:53:55.960 You should have actual pages.

01:53:57.280 It's so different than reading from us on a screen.

01:53:59.440 You know what I mean?

01:53:59.860 It is.

01:54:00.480 Um, very good.

01:54:02.320 Okay.

01:54:02.540 So obviously we got to plug your website as well, Kevin, uh, the occidental observer.net.

01:54:08.160 You said new content, uh, if not every day, almost every day.

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:12.280 Every day.

01:54:13.000 Every day.

01:54:14.100 I have something.

01:54:15.840 Um.

01:54:16.300 I just wrote a little article.

01:54:17.840 Yeah.

01:54:18.320 To take it.

01:54:19.440 The first one at the top was a thing on the right there.

01:54:23.560 The moral case?

01:54:24.180 No.

01:54:24.560 No.

01:54:26.160 This one?

01:54:27.440 Uh, or is it the Seagull?

01:54:29.340 No, this one here, right?

01:54:30.360 No, that was Jose Nino.

01:54:31.440 Okay, there you go.

01:54:32.500 Uh, which one did you write?

01:54:33.400 Which one is the latest one?

01:54:35.340 Jeez, go down, go down a little bit.

01:54:37.160 Go down a little bit.

01:54:39.400 Greater Jewish cultural influence.

01:54:41.420 No, go, go up.

01:54:42.660 Yeah.

01:54:43.340 Right there.

01:54:44.780 Implicit whiteness?

01:54:45.720 That one?

01:54:46.680 Yeah.

01:54:47.300 I thought I made that a feature article, but I guess it's just a blog.

01:54:50.420 It's got to be a feature article.

01:54:52.220 Okay, there we go.

01:54:52.880 That's why I talk about Tucker Carlson's statements.

01:54:54.520 Right.

01:54:55.060 Yep, exactly.

01:54:55.740 And implicit whiteness.

01:54:56.480 I mean, you look at the speakers there.

01:54:58.760 Uh, I guess Ben Carson talked, but, uh, you know, it was very, uh, white.

01:55:04.860 Oh, the audience?

01:55:05.840 You see the audience?

01:55:06.400 The audience, certainly.

01:55:07.940 But the speakers as well.

01:55:09.100 I mean, it's almost all white.

01:55:10.360 Yeah.

01:55:10.480 And, and, uh, it was, uh...

01:55:14.100 Do you trust Stephen Miller, by the way?

01:55:18.300 I don't know enough about him, but he...

01:55:19.920 Right, yeah.

01:55:20.580 I know he was expelled from a synagogue.

01:55:23.220 Oh, really?

01:55:23.680 And, uh, he, he, uh, he, you know, he comes from L.A. area.

01:55:28.980 Yeah.

01:55:29.500 And comes from Jewish family, but, uh, they were always kind of that way.

01:55:34.120 His family, the whole family was, I guess.

01:55:36.280 But, uh, you know, I appreciate what he's doing with immigration.

01:55:39.220 I mean, he's a hard liner.

01:55:41.420 And, uh, I, uh, you know, take, take friends where you get them.

01:55:46.780 Yeah, no, sure.

01:55:47.800 Um, yeah, we'll see.

01:55:48.940 It's too early to tell.

01:55:49.700 We'll see what angle they play on this here.

01:55:51.160 Yeah.

01:55:51.280 I, I just fear that, that diversion.

01:55:53.920 It's like they were talking about holy war and going to war and Pete Hegseth.

01:55:58.200 You know, it's a very, it's that Judeo-Christian, you know what I mean?

01:56:00.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:01.340 That angle.

01:56:02.060 And, and, you know, on whose behalf, who's we when Stephen Miller is talking.

01:56:05.840 And, yeah, I'm just, I, I, I choose to reserve judgments.

01:56:10.420 See what happens.

01:56:11.300 You don't trust people that much.

01:56:13.120 How can you?

01:56:13.900 You have to trust them.

01:56:14.700 No.

01:56:14.800 Uh, all right, very good.

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Red Ice TV - September 24, 2025

The Culture Of Critique - Kevin Macdonald

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