On this episode of the podcast, Dr. Carl Sagan talks about one of the most infamous chemical attacks in history, the chemical attack at the Lubavitch research plant in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Dr. Sagan describes the events leading up to the attack, the investigation, and the aftermath.
00:31:24.140And those fumigation chambers, there are a number of them that have survived to this day.
00:31:29.780And there was a patchy blue inside, outside, in the wall, the mortars, inside, between the bricks.
00:31:35.200Everything is kind of bluish-tinted to one degree or another.
00:31:39.400So, it is definitely clear that under the circumstances of the fumigation chambers, with the material of the fumigation chambers,
00:31:48.080yes, this stuff did form and it did survive 40, 50, 60 years.
00:31:53.400But that doesn't automatically mean the same.
00:31:56.080And it's true for the homicidal gas chambers because they may have had different materials, different physical conditions, different exposure times, exposure concentrations, and so on.
00:32:07.840A number of things that need to be answered and addressed first.
00:33:50.420The company who actually, the boss of the company who actually analyzed Fred Leuchter's samples, when he found out, he publicly stated, had we known where the samples are from, the results would have been different.
00:34:07.880Because he said because we would have used different method because at the end of the day, he was basically saying that he would have rigged the record.
00:34:15.840We have seen that later, the polls from the Auschwitz Museum, they had a local forensic institute do research and they rigged their analytic method to come up with the wanted results.
00:34:29.700That's what you get when the analytic institute knows where the samples are coming from.
00:34:44.540So, I remember a while after that, I was still at the German army at that time doing my compositor service that a German historian, mainstream historian, Dr. Ernst Nolte from the Free University of Berlin, had written a paper bringing up the issue of the Leuchter Report.
00:35:08.420So, this is a very important research, but it's not the beginning, but it's actually only the beginning because we need to have peer review.
00:35:16.820We need to have many more studies confirming these kind of iconoclastic research before we can throw all of our history out the window and rewrite it according to the forensic record.
00:35:31.740So, he says, basically, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath here.
00:35:36.360We need to have more confirmation before we can do anything about it.
00:36:21.560So, some guy read it and said, well, I hope you're going to get going on it.
00:36:28.160Here's a list of addressees who might be interested in it.
00:36:32.740And then I started my PhD research at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research.
00:36:38.040And there were two very conducive things to my private interest in that.
00:36:42.620First of all, solid state research is exactly what that problem was.
00:36:48.040Solid state, the formation of a solid pigment in the solid wall of various construction materials is an interaction between the gas going into the liquid of the water in the walls, reacting with chemicals in the solid wall.
00:37:06.640And building a solid pigment, it's solid state chemistry.
00:37:10.600And I was at Germany's, if not Europe's, top research institute for solid state research.
00:37:16.600So, after I was done with my daily job doing my ivory tower science research for my official PhD thesis, I would go into the library.
00:37:30.360And not just that, they were a library for pigment research, a library for construction material research in Stuttgart as well.
00:37:39.800I got to the libraries, investigated all kinds of issues to get my handle on this.
00:37:45.600And the second conducive factor was that I had a contract with the Max Planck Society for doing my PhD research there.
00:37:54.640And the Max Planck Society's full name is Max Planck Society for the Furthering of Sciences.
00:37:58.840And a chapter in that contract said, in their spare time, students are encouraged to use the means and resources of the institute to do their own private investigations in whatever they are interested in.
00:38:19.680When the whole thing blew up and I had written my own expert report, Max Planck Institute was up in arms and tried to get me out of there.
00:38:33.580And that is, I didn't know about this paragraph in my, you know, who reads a labor contract that goes over 30, 40, 50 pages.
00:39:24.760Now we knew from the fumigation chambers, obviously it had survived there, but there may be circumstances that are different in the homocidal gas chambers that may have led to their destruction.
00:39:35.380So I found very good research papers on the long-term stability of that pigment.
00:39:40.560Yeah, it's one of the most stable compounds that you can find in nature and it survives no matter what, particularly in the circumstances in a construction material.
00:39:56.500For example, I got interest from an agent, an assistant from a lawyer who was trying a case against the German defendant, Otto Ernst Rehmer.
00:40:09.140The name rang a bell as a person interested in history.
00:40:41.920Some unit, a guard unit in Berlin, guarding the government institutions there.
00:40:48.540And he was actually called by the insurrectionists to arrest the loyalists, the ones who were still loyal in the government in Berlin for Hitler after the bomb had been planted.
00:41:04.800And it wasn't clear whether Hitler was still alive or not.
00:41:07.880And Rehmer made his decision of who of the two party he arrests dependent on whether Hitler is still alive or not.
00:41:42.340He became a little bit of a right-wing politician after the war and an activist, and who was one of the persons who was pushing the Holocaust revisionist narrative, particularly after Leuchter, with his research, had become popular.
00:41:58.200And he was put on trial for, quote-unquote, Holocaust denial.
00:42:00.840So his defense team contacted me when I had sent out my first research results and asked me whether I wanted to do proper expert report to appear in court as an expert, testify on these forensic findings, that I would come up with at the end of it.
00:42:20.860We're talking early 1991 at that point.
00:42:24.120So I went to Auschwitz in August 1991 and took my own samples, did some local research on the facilities to find out what is the material, what were the conditions, what is the exposure to the environment, and so forth.
00:42:39.280And wrapped up this and wrote it in a report.
00:42:41.540It showed up in seven or eight trials as an expert report, was rejected in every single one of them, in violation of German procedural law.
00:42:51.540If an expert is already present in the courtroom, he is an expert by academic credential for what he's testifying about, which I was.
00:43:02.900And if the stuff he's testifying about is conducive to the case, which it was here, the defendant had denied that there were homicidal gas germs at Auschwitz, and if he's capable of testifying, in other words, he's not under the influence of something, then he cannot be rejected.
00:43:19.840But I was rejected, but I was rejected anyhow.
00:43:21.960And that's where the series of events of new case law as well as new law was step-by-step implemented to stop me.
00:43:59.240Now, we hadn't agreed on the details and that was a little bit of a mess how it was eventually published, but it was in early 1993, just at the time when my PhD thesis was wrapped up and I was ready to submit it to the university.
00:44:15.300The defendant published my expert report and that's when the Max Planck Institute, particularly the union people, wanted to get me thrown out.
00:44:28.220My supervisor still signed it with me then and said, we have the paragraph here.
00:44:32.760Everything that the institute offers in services and resources, the student can use for his own private research, no matter what it is.
00:44:44.300So, they just checked that I didn't use official work time.
00:44:48.680I made sure when I went to Auschwitz, I took vacation, private vacation, and took my vacation time for it.
00:44:53.960And all the rest of it using library resources, using the department that was basically constructing experimental devices, the workshop.
00:45:08.840I had an engineer design me an experimental gas chamber so we could expose masonry samples to hydrogen cyanide to see whether the theory is correct of conditions, humidity, temperature, and so forth that they play out.
00:45:27.940To get to the amount issue, basically.
00:45:31.000Yeah, what I was basically finding out, you have lime mortar, you have cement mortar, you have concrete, different kind of materials.
00:45:43.220And the fumigation chambers, they were cheaply built above ground, heated locations.
00:45:47.840They were built mainly with lime mortar or very low in cement.
00:45:51.840It's a completely different chemistry that you have in there in a building that was underground.
00:45:56.400It had to be proof against groundwater, was highly enriched in cement, if not even concrete.
00:46:05.500A completely different construction, solid-state chemistry.
00:46:09.860An unheated room, that is what the homicidal gas chamber, the most important, the biggest one, the most frequented one, if you want to use that term.
00:46:17.320I thought it was, correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe, it's not off topic, but there was also a confusion or like a, how do I put this?
00:46:26.400When it was expedient, they said that the above ground facilities were the gas chambers.
00:46:44.020The Auschwitz main camp is said to have had one facility, the old crematorium, where the morgue in it is said to have been used temporarily only for a relatively short period of time and for nowadays agreed upon only a few gassings, if at all.
00:46:59.140And this room was, theoretically speaking, above ground, even though soil was put against the wall to keep it cool.
00:47:08.520In Birkenau itself, you had six facilities that are claimed to have been used as homicidal gas chambers, four crematoria and three makeshift converted former farmhouses.
00:47:19.680They are building, their facilities or rooms, they were all above ground.
00:47:25.740They are not said to have had any ventilation, any heating, any special facility, which on the face of it is already ludicrous.
00:47:32.380And Leuchter's argument, that wouldn't have worked.
00:47:41.340Auschwitz didn't have anything else but wooden doors.
00:47:42.780Yeah, I mean, you keep saying, you're talking about construction and the homicidal gas chambers and my, I mean, from what I've seen, I think of like gassings when people are on death row and it's this chamber and it's really concealed and it's highly controlled.
00:47:56.100So when we see pictures of these alleged gas chambers, I mean, would that work with that construction that we see?
00:48:04.280Right. There is one German-made documentary, quote-unquote, about Auschwitz that shows a made-up movie scene, please, it's not documentation, it's a movie scene made up by the filmmaker showing how people in one of the biggest crematoria in Auschwitz were pushed into this room and the door is closed and it shows this massive steel door.
00:48:27.800There was not a single steel door in the entire Auschwitz area ever.
00:48:58.160Now, as I said, the most frequented one, according to the mainstream narrative, was one of the big crematorium with the underground room, underground morgue used.
00:49:08.300But that's actually where there was also disposable bodies.
00:49:12.060So they did that in the same facility then, allegedly?
00:49:56.260Now, an intelligently designed system of introducing the hydrogen cyanide vapors should have been built in there, which was well known how that's been done, because that was mass produced for fumigation chambers.
00:50:12.480So if you look at anything that should have been done, wasn't done.
00:50:15.040The things that are said to have been done make no sense whatsoever.
00:50:18.200So I'm talking about a cold underground basement that had no heating, that had very durable cement-rich mortar.
00:50:31.280And in comparison to that, we have the fumigation chambers above ground heated with lime mortar.
00:50:35.920Now, heated high temperature, low in humidity as a consequence, and lime mortar not very reactive, not high in a surface.
00:50:42.720That's all is not conducive to the formation of that pigment, whereas all the features we have in the underground basement is very conducive, much more conducive to the development of that pigment.
00:51:19.280Now, if we look at the witness statements that are all we have, what do they claim?
00:51:24.460They claim very short execution times.
00:51:27.460That is the myth of German efficiency.
00:51:30.780If an execution lasts hours, it can't be efficient, it can't be germ.
00:51:33.900So the story is it lasted a few minutes.
00:51:37.100If you want to do that with cyclone B, which gives off its poison gas very slowly, it's almost physically impossible, actually, to do it within the few minutes that it's claimed.
00:51:47.320But if you were to do it, you would have to apply extreme overdoses.
00:52:44.360When I had hydrogen cyanide from the Max Planck Institute or potassium cyanide, developing hydrogen cyanide, breathing it in and experiencing the symptoms as they intensify.
00:54:11.700And the next sensation you feel after that is that you start getting dizzy.
00:54:16.520And before you pass out, you should get the hell out of there because if you pass out and you keep breathing, then you die.
00:54:26.340But these fumes were coming in high concentration out of this bubbling potassium cyanide sludge that I had in there with semi-concentrated sulfuric acid.
00:54:43.160And I was breathing in my nose right over it, so it was kind of a 10, 20, 50, 100% of hydrogen cyanide I was breathing in for the better part of maybe 30, 45 seconds or so.
00:55:09.180At the end of the day, the physical properties of those cool cement basements are more conducive to the formation,
00:55:21.180whereas the shorter exposure times of people dying within a few minutes or 10, 15 minutes,
00:55:27.480and then you ventilate the room with the system you have.
00:55:29.920Maybe you get an hour's exposure time, whereas in some fumigation chambers, you have the exposure for up to half a day or a complete day.
00:55:37.380These two different sides of the equation kind of level each other out so that you can roughly come to the conclusion you should find similar order of magnitudes in both places.
00:55:49.220But the fact of the matter is that in this one particular gas chamber that has been dynamited,
00:55:55.560but the roof has only collapsed, protecting some of the walls to some degree and containing the original material, we don't find anything.
00:56:04.680As a matter of fact, there was a controversy because we find, depending on the analytical method we use,
00:56:11.640we find minute traces close to the detection level.
00:56:14.580Now, this is something very special about analytics.
02:39:32.420well i mean you can argue the bolshevik revolution and who controlled the ussr different story
02:39:41.460around stalin yeah okay and even today let me just add this in too remember this recent debate and
02:39:49.300debacle over how much will the jewish community have tried to they call them polish death camps
02:39:55.220remember that little spat a couple of years ago and then death camp on polish soil yeah so therefore
02:40:00.260it's polish and then they're like yeah may i put that up here um after i've connected those and
02:40:05.940realized how this story came to be i put the essence of it in a small booklet condense 53 volumes of
02:40:13.220holocaust handbook research into one encyclopedia still it's a massive work condense the essence of
02:40:19.380the story the nazi gas chambers that's the core of the story who's done it what is the background of the
02:40:27.540story the rules of the story this little book that i've uh published just last year it's now about to
02:40:33.940come out in the second edition tomorrow i think nazi gas chambers the roots of the story that tells
02:40:39.140the story how it developed chaotically over the during the war contradictingly and how this
02:40:47.380narrative was streamlined by polish judiciary i would say polish stalinist communist judiciary
02:40:55.460yeah under the auspices of the u.s yes yeah i don't want to pin things on the polls
02:41:00.260it's the polls guys yeah uh these were stalinist uh lackeys of uh within the polish judiciary who did
02:41:08.980the streamlining yeah no they knew and then you have all the stories of course of the you know the
02:41:14.900chimneys being built later and you know altering things in order to make it seem that it took place
02:41:21.220there you know right that all this was done doing that face right 46 47 48 where that story was created
02:41:28.100jan zane i just mentioned then he was the top guy at the uh preparation of the stalinist two major
02:41:34.660stalinist show trials that were staged in poland one against uro first the former commandant of ill repute
02:41:41.380who had been tortured after he was caught by the british for three days uninterruptedly until he
02:41:46.260finally confessed confessed completely drunk and sleep deprived not knowing what he was signing
02:41:51.380yeah and uh that is uh one of the mainstream main pillars they used during the international military
02:41:58.020tribunal to ram that story down the defendant's throat who wouldn't buy it until hers testified after
02:42:04.980having been tortured and mistreated and broken that's how they all and that's how they got all of the
02:42:09.220confessions right torture the second polish uh trial trial was against all the rest of the auschwitz camp
02:42:16.580staff that they came up with the the upper echelons of of that camp and that set the stage of the show
02:42:24.260trial uh the the the the the auschwitz narrative as we know it today and they have been pushing it ever
02:42:30.660since and they kept pushing it then down the german judiciary they created their own german language
02:42:37.460periodical in the late 1950s to write auschwitz camp history with the only addressee being the german
02:42:46.340judiciary in west germany who was preparing a major auschwitz trial in frankfurt back then
02:42:51.300what year was this uh the polish periodical started in 58 the german in 59 okay so is that that's
02:42:59.460what's when when the investigations to the ten years germ show trial started in west germany
02:43:06.100at that time the german language in poland was kind of illegal if you had not been expelled and you were
02:43:12.500left behind and you were caught speaking german in public in poland in that time you could get
02:43:18.740arrested yeah at the same time the government publishing a german language periodical with
02:43:25.460their version of auschwitz history aimed straight at the heart of the west german judiciary and they
02:43:32.260bought it hook line and sinker right so before i ask you about um the books and stuff what's going on
02:43:39.540with the extradition rumors and you going you know being sent back to germany does america i would
02:43:46.820assume they have an extradition treaty with germany have they requested you to be sent back what's
02:43:52.900what's happening on this front for you america doesn't extradite because there's no mutuality of
02:43:58.260punishability we have the first amendment in this country and therefore they will not extradite
02:44:03.620it's the wrong term deportation is the right word okay all right you see uh the government right
02:44:08.980now wanting to deport all these illegal uh immigrants who have a felony conviction for a violent crime
02:44:18.180i don't know why anyone puts up a resistance you have a person who is in this country illegally
02:44:23.300is convicted for a violent felony and people actually defend them fighting them
02:44:30.180no we need to stay here like so no in my case i am a legal immigrant i am a permanent
02:44:37.060legal resident of this country right okay i did it the legal way getting into this country and
02:44:43.700um i've did apply for citizenship for naturalization that was rejected you don't have a right to become a
02:44:51.300citizen in this country just because you fulfill some formal criteria uh it's always a discretionary act
02:44:57.860so at the end of it the long story it was rejected um the status as a permanent legal resident can be revoked
02:45:09.220so in that sense it's not permanent can be revoked if you have two convictions for any kind of offenses
02:45:18.180you maybe just minor misdemeanors for um
02:45:20.980um being publicly in the park it's enough to throw one person out and that is a statutory so um
02:45:30.820as you see normally if you are illegal even if you're an illegal immigrant from
02:45:39.700any part of the world other than europe and you don't have any controversial political views
02:45:44.180even if you have committed misdemeanors you don't get deported it's not even on the table right now
02:45:50.260and so much less if you're a legal immigrant and something happens usually it requires litigation by
02:45:56.900the government they have to revoke it and they they don't bother about this in my case it's something
02:46:01.540different they want me out of the countries the germans are hoping that i get deported and the
02:46:06.500requirement is that i get two convictions germany has officially requested america no they can't
02:46:11.860request anything they are in touch through official channels to wait until i get a second conviction
02:46:17.380so that i get my permanent legal residency here uh revoked and then get deported uh or leave the
02:46:25.780country voluntarily so you can't even pee in the park that's what you're saying yeah because they might
02:46:30.660be watching waiting to set you up the the the convenient is peeing in the park coming now convenient
02:46:36.260instrument of framing yeah yeah of course you know of course the very common uh imagination of getting
02:46:45.860framed as you get pulled over by the police and they find drugs in your car and you have never had
02:46:50.820any drugs you don't know it got there the police just blended in there you know that's the way to
02:46:54.980no they have not done that with it with me in this case in my case i have since my uh times at at the
02:47:07.140army started with my masters again army i started intensely cardiovascular working out going on long
02:47:13.780bike rides initially and later i diversified bike riding calisthenics and then also swimming actually my
02:47:21.220my second wife was a a triathlete so she got me into triathlons and um also swimming taught me
02:47:29.300prop how to properly swim so the older i got them the more intensive i got into athletics and i ended up
02:47:36.980be living in pennsylvania going on triathlons at age 50 55 triathlons uh every early morning
02:47:43.540three four five times a week um and you go get on your road bike when you do various kinds of
02:47:53.700exercises very early in the morning closing becomes a challenge on a bicycle you want to have gaudy
02:47:59.860colors you have two life insurances when you're on a bicycle in general good brakes and flashy colors
02:48:06.980because you want to be seen it's the same like motorbike riders they get overlooked bicycle riders get
02:48:12.420overlooked even quicker and underestimate it you know you see a bicycle over there there's probably
02:48:17.860going 10 15 miles per hour if i'm on a bicycle i go 25 30 miles per hour so i'm twice as fast
02:48:23.620or used to be in i mean of hlo so i'm not that fast anymore then people would estimate so i'm there
02:48:29.060faster than you think so you think you can just comfortably pull out of your parking spot on salt
02:48:34.340roadside parking or out of your driveway because i'm far away think twice i'm going to be there in a
02:48:39.620flash and boom it happens so being seen is important having flashy colors and then you have to switch
02:48:46.180gear from you can't have the same clothes when you're riding bike then when you're doing calisthenics
02:48:51.540and you go into river and swim because i've been swimming in the sesquahanna river so there's a closing
02:48:57.700challenge of what kind of stuff to wear and then you have to change and when you're four o'clock in the
02:49:02.180morning and you change your gear um it shouldn't be a problem it's dark it is uh vacated and then a
02:49:11.940police officer says well he saw you naked in the park because i just changed there but he didn't
02:49:16.900see me so you were changing and a cop just happened to be coming by at four in the morning or whatever
02:49:21.860it was yeah i didn't know it was a cop or whatever it was it was a car coming and i was just changing
02:49:28.740and i didn't want to take risks because i had that before i changed their playground equipment and
02:49:34.660the cars come down there usually they're fishermen at four thirty five o'clock fishermen come early
02:49:39.860in the morning to do fishing and they they turn left into the parking lot and as they turn their their
02:49:47.380cars lights sweep the area where i am and uh so they can be a little bit uncomfortable if you are in
02:49:56.500the situation where you're changing because i just arrived there and i was changing so some
02:50:01.140fishermen's and i thought i'm going to hide behind the bush and wait that out out that car now that
02:50:05.780car was not a fisherman but it was pretty but i didn't know um so the he actually pulled right
02:50:11.940behind the bush behind which i was hiding he couldn't see me because i was behind there so i thought okay
02:50:17.060there's not a good situation i went back and got changed ready and got my way to my work first workout
02:50:23.380station and then he pulled around somewhere else and from the road parked the car there and suddenly
02:50:30.260i had a light on me and i thought what kind of weird fisherman is that parking weirdly there shining
02:50:36.660his light into my direction later on i realized it was a police searchlight but i didn't know it because
02:50:41.860i was headed the other way so he was shining on my back so it was uncomfortably light bright light so i
02:50:48.740stepped sideways into the shadow of a tree and kept walking and cut the long story short he accused me
02:50:56.500of having stood by the roadside naked from my waist down wearing a neon green shirt like an arrow
02:51:08.180advertising and pointing to my genitals standing on the side of the road waiting for him to come so
02:51:13.780imagine that there's a guy who is an exhibitionist who wants to exhibit himself at four o'clock movie
02:51:19.460pitch black dark in a completely vacated park where you have zero chance of being a successful
02:51:24.740exhibitionist i wait there until a police car of all things comes and wait for the police car to arrive
02:51:31.060there to shine the light on me and then i decide to run away this is his story complete
02:51:36.260bullshit i was never anywhere near the road i was standing no to expose complete bullshit but if you're
02:51:42.100in trial and it's the police statements against yours who is the the the the jury going to believe
02:51:48.820now is there any is there any like backdrop here that they kind of at that point they knew who you
02:51:55.220were what's going on or was this just just just unrelated i had no indication okay um like they
02:52:01.860wanted to like all right we can like they're literally following what do you think what happened
02:52:06.580with that initially i suspected the the simple reason is i have been going there doing my my triathlons
02:52:12.420for years it was in 2019 and i started doing it in 2013 so i'd been going on for for six seven
02:52:19.380years and uh i intimately knew the rhythm of the place i knew the fishermen going there i knew the
02:52:26.260skunk that was cleaning up the yard i was friends with the sky you can become friends with you better
02:52:30.820be friends with the sky yeah i used to feed a skunk i know so anyway uh i knew the fauna and the
02:52:37.540people and the lady that went for power walks there and the guy who walked his dog so i mean
02:52:42.500and the one neighbor the only neighbor of the riverside property who actually lived there full
02:52:48.820time the other ones were only weekend or vacationers and who went to work every work day at 5 25 something
02:52:56.260he left his home and drove away and during june and july there was enough early dawn light for him to
02:53:02.660realize that i'm in the park there doing my calisthenics you know i would write my bicycle
02:53:06.980there do my calisthenics and then go into the river swim actually jog a little bit down the river to get
02:53:11.540away from the area where people live and could see me get in and out the river i wanted to have my
02:53:16.820privacy for that uh for for good reasons and um he saw me during that time and i do suspect i have no
02:53:27.940proof for it but i saw him sometimes pull into the parking lot instead of driving to work and stopping
02:53:32.340there so maybe he called the police because there's something suspicious going on is this guy working out
02:53:37.780in shorts just shorts i don't really would take my shirt off simple for the simple reason
02:53:42.260in the summer more plausible you have 68 70 72 degrees 100 humidity now go into the gym with 72
02:53:51.140degrees and 100 percent humidity and try to work out yeah it's grueling so you take out the shirt
02:53:57.220because it's it's a little warm and um so police were coming there frequently patrolling sometimes they
02:54:06.980were shining with a searchlight in there and uh i never got hit this until that one day when they
02:54:14.260actually had me in there maybe they were looking for me before that because of this guy calling them
02:54:19.380there's some weird guy in the in the park doing the hell knows what during the trial the prosecutor
02:54:25.460made the point to the jury that it's not credible that i was working out there because i had a gym
02:54:30.180membership that's every normal person who has a gym membership goes to the gym to work out
02:54:35.700now i had attendance record of my gym gym membership showing very clearly that i attend the gym only
02:54:41.060during winter time and not at all during the summer and that day i had actually a meniscus surgery because
02:54:49.140i had a jogging accident from uh anyway i had so i wasn't going to the gym even doing that window what a mess
02:54:56.500oh gosh i had a fitness test done at the end of summer in october actually like you need this mess
02:55:03.460on top of everything to prove a fitness test that showed with all you know that you do wall sits
02:55:09.700push-ups planks and and some cardiovascular and with all them i was through the roof for 55 years or
02:55:16.260the times i could do it or the the repetitions i could do it wasn't on the chart anymore i was off the chart
02:55:22.100after not attending the gym for almost an entire year how do i get that fit by running naked in a
02:55:31.380palm masturbating or by working out the problem is none of this evidence was introduced in the case
02:55:40.580if you were because my defense threw me under the bus
02:55:44.340he was uh asked me all the questions i'd listed out to show me why i am am i wearing a neon green
02:55:51.780shirt because i don't want to get run over at a bicycle in low light reflection why i am wearing
02:55:57.460these shorts they split running shorts because i have to be able to ride bicycle with do calisthenics
02:56:02.660with it swim with it and when i get out be easy to ring them out so that i don't have a cold butt
02:56:09.220riding home cold wet button get another prostate inflammation of head a lot because of wet pants
02:56:14.100riding with wet pants on bicycle did you bring that into the case that was the intention i had
02:56:19.300all these questions that he was supposed to ask me to make the point why i have these pants why i have
02:56:24.820these shirts why i'm that i'm actually working out that i'm so fit that this is the only reason it can
02:56:30.980be the case is because i'm doing this work he didn't ask me a single question he only asked me when
02:56:35.860i got into the witness stand what happened that morning and then the the in cross-examination the
02:56:42.260prosecutor was ripping me apart you know do you have gym membership and do you have any equipment at
02:56:47.300that point it was calisthenics calisthenics is you use the weight of your body you don't take weights
02:56:53.540along so he was mocking me in cross-examination my lawyer should have asked me uh my attendance record
02:57:01.220my fitness my practice no questions asked i step out of the witness box fuming why he completely
02:57:08.420scuttled my defense by refusing to answer any question and do any examination in that moment
02:57:13.700i am not paying attention he closes the defense's case before we had introduced any evidence we had a
02:57:21.140transcript of the preliminary testimony on the premier trial of the police officer and doing
02:57:26.020during the trial itself he completely changed his story if you completely in essential parts change
02:57:31.300your story as a witness that's automatic proof of lying right yeah both versions can't be true
02:57:38.100one of them at least is a lie it's an automatic slam ducks perjury charge well they don't put that on
02:57:42.820your wikipedia page because now it shows all your arrest so my lawyer and he was naked in a parkway
02:57:49.780doesn't tell me so i didn't figure it out until the next day when i want him to introduce all the
02:57:55.060evidence and he tells me we can't do that anymore the case is already closed what and then later
02:58:00.980when the police start harassing me they said you know they are harassing me i want you to do something
02:58:05.860about it he tells me this is his motivation i never do anything against the police okay well that doesn't
02:58:14.420make sense yeah well you can ask some good questions he needs to be his career depends on a good
02:58:20.100relationship to the prosecutor's office not too good relationship to me i i'm a blip on
02:58:26.020his radar the next second then his record must suck as a well i think that's pretty no that's
02:58:30.980pretty that's what impressed me about him he had all these plaques of extraordinary but who gives
02:58:35.860this extraordinary award to this lawyer yeah if he loses not the client's judicial system i would
02:58:40.900say not the client so you got to be on your very best if there is a someone was it jeremy mckinsey
02:58:46.980if there's a speed limit on running walk as slow as you can this is i have been so legalistic in this
02:58:54.260country yeah to the annoyance of my wife when we are on the interstate or my ex-wife i should say now
02:58:59.700and the speed limit is 65 i wouldn't go faster than 70 because you know you put it on cruise control
02:59:05.940and sometimes the cruise control going down it exceeds a little bit so you need a buffer i'm not going
02:59:11.14010 plus is legally acceptable as you may know and so i set it to five plus and leave it at that
02:59:17.700and she would go 10 15 20 plus it flows with the traffic and if i'm the lowest one i'm not going to
02:59:22.500violate the law because i want to stick to the ladder because you're a holocaust revisionist because
02:59:28.020if they can't frame me in any way uh i have it coming yeah so i had the first framing coming i had the
02:59:35.300evidence of i had also a private investigator showing that his his his story was physically
02:59:41.060impossible we could prove it with the light conditions what he claims to have seen was impossible
02:59:45.700to see and the the i asked for different legal representation then asked three different lawyer
02:59:53.220and they also told me the same you only can know it they tell me if they framed you the first time
02:59:58.020around they have it in for you if you go after them by charging perjury claims a complaints against
03:00:05.220the police officer who is obviously instructed because he completely changed his story
03:00:10.420he was choreographed by the prosecution he got tipped off maybe if i yeah if i file a criminal
03:00:18.900complaint with the prosecution who has framed me against the police officer who's framed me
03:00:24.660i have a second framing coming so fast i can't even blink with an eye and with a second conviction i'm
03:00:30.500going to be out of the country i have to pack my luggage yeah so what i recommend you don't go
03:00:36.580anywhere three lawyers told me the same story don't do anything that's basically that's what they said
03:00:42.500don't touch anything don't say anything the best way is stop going there stop anything and the best is
03:00:49.620to actually move away i didn't move away i changed the place where i would work out in a place where
03:00:55.860i thought is completely isolated and and and with no traffic no insight and i should be alone unfortunately
03:01:01.860that wasn't the case so now comes the second case which happened two and a half years ago same story
03:01:08.580same prosecutor same bullshit story of something that never happened but this time during the preliminary
03:01:17.060hearing when it was about whether bail should be set or not the cat came out of the back
03:01:23.860he said and this defendant is moreover an intellectual pervert because he's the world's
03:01:29.460leading holocaust denier and he dodges running from the law from one country to another from germany
03:01:34.740to spain to the uk and to the united states exact sequence as i had left my homeland back in 96
03:01:42.260one country after another it's not easy public record and he has not read through all my biographies
03:01:49.220to find that out someone he was briefed by the dhs oh yeah yeah at that moment i knew what the name of
03:01:58.180the game is yeah they tried to get a second framing to get my permanent residence revoked at that same time
03:02:05.860i was applying for a new passport and i found out german authorities when we they denied it
03:02:12.740because i had this arrest warrant from the 2020 clearing of the warehouse from my friends at the afd
03:02:22.740so they denied the passport i litigated against them we got uh discovery access to the file and we find
03:02:28.020them they are observing they are in touch they see that i am again in legal trouble it could lead to me
03:02:34.100getting deported therefore they extend the arrest warrant to cover all of europe no matter where
03:02:38.420i'm trying to go or deported to they're gonna catch me i mean that's just the schengen zone now i believe
03:02:44.260right technically like if you're if you put your foot in the schengen zone then you can technically
03:02:48.660be arrested anywhere within that i think legally right some countries actually give a defendant or an
03:02:55.700arrestee the right to to challenge it okay because it's always a matter of mutual punishability
03:03:01.460uh in theory an arrest warrant european-wide arrest one should be automatic and it the country shouldn't
03:03:08.820be it's like uh here in the states if one state has an arrest warrant out the next way they arrest
03:03:16.740you and they don't litigate the case there already to see whether it's a valid charge or not that is
03:03:23.060assumed automatically and you get extradited and let them do the stuff there and that should be the same in
03:03:28.500europe but european nations insist more on their independence still and states here in the united
03:03:35.940states sure so some of them reserve the right to look into the legal validity and in particular in
03:03:42.180this case not all european countries have enacted holocaust denial laws yet right yeah so some of these
03:03:49.780countries will not extradite automatically which doesn't mean you're necessarily safe because yeah
03:03:54.420because at the end of the day it's politics yeah yeah i'll take a couple of these chats over here
03:03:59.860on odyssey caffeination says thank you for giving truth a voice through grandma rudolph the old media
03:04:05.540has failed and is no no longer relevant red eyes replaces an information vacuum thank you very much
03:04:11.460alt white thank you says thanks for bringing us this guest henrik best to you and your family
03:04:16.420thank you i appreciate that thank you and albert so much thank you so much he says hi guys just wanted
03:04:20.500to send some support for this special show looking forward to it this was early on michael 57 de says
03:04:26.260hail henrik and lana hail garmar hail our folk and hail our gods it's so great to be able to catch this
03:04:31.460interview with the country man a hero of our people while i'm at home and i can actually enjoy it
03:04:36.580thank you you're welcome thank you robert bergus says hail henrik and lana thank you deer in the
03:04:40.980headlights says thanks for another good show henrik happy new year to you lana and the family and one more
03:04:45.940from albert uh hi henrik hope all as well i have to admit i'm liking the deportations although they
03:04:51.300need to increase yesterday oh that's from yesterday so yeah that's all right okay no problem we read
03:04:55.860that all right we appreciate it awesome there was a couple on rumble here and i saved those because
03:04:59.460they do disappear otherwise yes um bonnie nielsen left a message and said um wait a minute uh she sent uh
03:05:07.46010 gift subscriptions thank you appreciate that that's nice of you uh dariel fash gordon says here
03:05:12.340uh most german way to get arrested ever we will we will erect no pun intended a statue at this
03:05:19.300location when we win one more from the real flash corner here poor german had to explain this to a
03:05:24.900bunch of morbidly abuse i guess that you got uh spell corrected i mean maybe obese americans abuse or maybe
03:05:31.780abuse americans i'm not sure it's the funny part the the the the prosecutor in that first case in 2019
03:05:37.540was actually tried in 2020 well the first case after the covet lockdown it was tried that was mine
03:05:42.100actually the prosecutor was ridiculizing my claim that i was working out there in the pocket that
03:05:48.260morning was overweight well yeah of course there's no shit about working out about triathlons about
03:05:56.740you're 55 years old and you go on a 20 mile bike ride every morning a mile swimming do calisthenics and
03:06:03.460jog of course that's not credible he said right right this is yeah who does that but i do certainly not
03:06:11.700you judge you should have said oh boy so why don't we uh yeah we've been going for a while here which
03:06:18.740is good i've been enjoying the conversation and and going a little bit all over the place but having
03:06:22.980your main work of course as a theme um give us the titles of your books and which one which one would
03:06:30.100you recommend to the newcomer is it the is it the holocaust encyclopedia the best way to go
03:06:35.860that you would advise them to get or something else what what do you think if they're just diving
03:06:40.900into some of these subjects what would you get maybe that one that's my own horn uh the summary
03:06:47.140version i guess right yes it's as an introduction because looking at it it's uh just 120 not even
03:06:54.500120 pages of text and it's small format five times ain't really a pocket book in a bigger pocket you can
03:07:01.300get it in and that hold it up against we can see it uh yeah there we go nazi gas chamber nazi gas
03:07:07.380chambers the roots of the story of the story you can get that book uh there are two versions actually
03:07:12.660of every book that i have a written myself armreg.co.uk is the official bookstore it's a bookstore in the
03:07:19.220uk but they have an outlet in the us and down under so if you order one from the us it gets you actually
03:07:25.460shipped from the us you don't need to worry about massive shipping costs from uh from from the uk
03:07:32.100down there it is indeed it's listed as one of our introductions and i guess it's the most up-to-date
03:07:40.260and and pertinent one really focusing on the core of the story there's of course more to the holocaust
03:07:46.260einsatzgruppen uh murders there's the the theory of death through labor and all the rest of it that is
03:07:53.940dealt elsewhere but this is the core the iconic gas chambers are the unique feature of this claimed
03:08:00.820genocide that is unparalleled anywhere else and that takes this this myth down and shows where
03:08:07.380it comes from and there's a relief for many people it's not primarily jewish even um well you think
03:08:14.020they'd be happy but you know yeah you'd be i don't think they understand it i don't think they they
03:08:18.580i don't get the message across they need to get you know for them it's a cash cow now liberation
03:08:23.220it's so much money now this thing is coming down one way or another yeah and you better jump on
03:08:28.900the bandwagon with us and take it down before you it backlashes on you yep yep uh and you've got
03:08:34.740the opportunity here i'm giving you the best opportunity you have i don't want you to join
03:08:40.740us to beat up the polls either it was it was stalinist communist propaganda that was focusing in polis
03:08:47.780because of poland because of that historic situation it's over now that's why let's get over it let's get
03:08:53.860on um that's right so yeah this is this is probably the best way of getting an introduction now if you
03:08:58.980want a complete overview of the topic that covers everything in a concise way the way to go would
03:09:08.180indeed be the holocaust encyclopedia which i've shown before and you the best way of getting that is
03:09:14.020simply going to holocaustencyclopedia.com yep we got that website right here right well
03:09:19.940holocaustencyclopedia.com yep you can get access to the entire information there online without
03:09:25.780getting charges all free of charge it even has a download um it says up there download and if you
03:09:32.020click on it you can download a free epub file with the entire encyclopedia you can download on your
03:09:38.500gadget and have all the information right there on your hand costs nothing come on guys go buy it
03:09:44.100show him support he needs some support go buy these out okay there's also up there the link
03:09:48.740by encyclopedia so what i'm holding up here is the printed copy we only had a hardcover
03:09:54.500have a hardcover edition because it's so heavy you have to have it or it'll come apart right it comes
03:09:59.540as a black and white only and a full color edition the full color is is 100 the black and white is 80
03:10:05.700and there's also a a pdf version and a epub version with complete audio which costs 30 dollars i think okay
03:10:14.580so you can listen to it and don't have options there for you guys now there's something special
03:10:18.020about this holocaust encyclopedia which i want to get uh want to mention here
03:10:25.540um specialty encyclopedias like this one usually get bought almost exclusively by midsize and larger
03:10:32.340libraries as well as a few aficionados and experts in the field you don't usually have the general populace
03:10:39.140buying these now we are cut out from distribution to libraries libraries will not touch it with the
03:10:45.70010-foot poles too controversial so the main market is not accessible to us amazon has banned it you will
03:10:51.700not find it on amazon you will find on other online markets places but not on amazon but so far all
03:11:00.900channels sales channels include we have sold 2 000 copies of it which is roughly around the corner that a
03:11:06.900normal mainstream encyclopedia would sell to the order of magnitude maybe uh when it comes to the
03:11:14.180holocaust because libraries get kind of bullied into buying it they may actually sell more than that
03:11:20.340but it's impressive the the sales we have already put in and the feedback i'm getting from people
03:11:26.580initially from the editors who were proofing it massive work takes them half a year to proofread it
03:11:32.740and then two months later they said i'm already through i couldn't put it down i read it cover
03:11:36.580cover it's so i had people of all walks of life giving me that feedback this encyclopedia is so full of
03:11:43.860mind-boggling amazing information with every entry it blows your mind that you keep going you can't put it down
03:11:51.700and people just love reading it it's not meant to be written by one person within a short period of time it's not meant to be read in one go in one period of time
03:12:01.380but both of this has happened it's a special thing and um it has opened the doors
03:12:10.420to many new aspects to many new groups in society because finally we have all the information together
03:12:19.300and made it accessible and comprehensible and it has opened the mind of a lot of people who so far
03:12:26.980would not dare touch it so there is a little bit of a shift a paradigm shift being initiated by this
03:12:35.540encyclopedia by making this massive information accessible and comprehensible to everyone it's great
03:12:42.500thanks for doing the work yeah this is a third edition here from january 2020 when was the first edition
03:12:47.860out first edition came out december of the print edition in december of 23 the second okay so that's
03:12:54.900it is that reason okay yeah yeah yeah yeah the the second edition uh is print on demand we update it
03:13:00.740frequently sure second edition we put out after amazon uh throughout the first in i think july or august
03:13:06.900i can't remember exactly uh so we had it already waiting there for something like that we expected
03:13:12.980amazon to throw it out later so we launched the second one with a number of corrections right after
03:13:17.460that hoping it would come up on amazon again but it didn't they caught it instantly and killed it
03:13:23.140right away so we're not trying anymore um we use die is over man yeah exactly yeah yeah right
03:13:31.460boiling frog says great show thank you so much and then ruby 219 says girmar you're a hero i bet
03:13:36.900you are sick of hearing that and wish instead we would speak up for you in public if i find an
03:13:41.940opportunity to do so i will i hope i will one never knows until one is in the moment anyway
03:13:47.140your tightly reasoned explanations of historical events has had an impact on me and i thank you
03:13:53.060oh thank you that's that feels good yeah there's a second way i mentioned to to get these books if
03:13:59.300you go to my own website gammarulof.com it has in the main menu an option uh that says signed books
03:14:06.260to the right right there and you can get actually um signed and dedicated copies signed by me dedicated to
03:14:15.300you personally whatever you want to have in there or i have my standard tax for every book of all the
03:14:20.020books that i've published or rather written so there are 18 of them 10 on the first page and eight
03:14:26.180more on the second page um you find the encyclopedia among them that's further down i think you just got a
03:14:34.020a little more there it is yeah uh and the the one i just showed the nazi guest jim is on the second
03:14:39.380page actually okay so if you go on there signed books uh their list price is twice the price of
03:14:48.180the price you would pay on armrec.co.uk for for two reasons first of all i have to order them myself
03:14:54.340repackage them and ship them out so i have higher costs but it's meant as a way of supporting me
03:15:00.180if you intend to support me and get something in return a personal signed dedicated copy of a book
03:15:07.220with some text in it uh that's the way to go it's the way to go yeah and then you can also see what
03:15:12.820other books i've written they ever when you go click on any one of them you find actually a description
03:15:19.060in italics first of all uh scroll down in italics it gives a little bit of a background how this book
03:15:25.460came to be and then down below a more detailed description of the book what the book is about
03:15:31.540come on guys get it for your coffee table so when friends come over they just happen to stumble
03:15:35.540upon it your family's done to somebody that any other way of supporting it has an option there that
03:15:41.220says pay and donate uh so if you consider donating uh or or doing me any good any other way the options
03:15:48.740you have they are listed there yeah definitely help out guys and if you can and like and appreciate the
03:15:53.380work of gurmar and so many others in this field so many you guys have taken so many hits and and and
03:15:58.660enabled again i'm just the way that that has freed up the debate and i'm and i'm seeing a different
03:16:05.780environment now but that's the case with trailblazers right they you know now there's a kind of a paved
03:16:11.700road with street lights and benches on it and i'm not saying it's entirely comfortable to be in this
03:16:17.460you know arena but it's much more so than it was obviously 20 years ago you have something to fall
03:16:22.100back on to quickly argue the i've had a lot of people getting into discussions on discussions with
03:16:28.500professional holocaust historians they leave with egg on their face yeah yeah and they realize what
03:16:35.380they're up against we just had uh in december a um what's his name jake shields who was it you were
03:16:43.460debating there again what was his name i forget his uh dan van i think professor van v-a double n
03:16:50.100um mainstream historian but he was not a specialist in uh in holocaust studies uh by any stretch of the
03:16:56.580imagination so he had just uh anyone's knowledge which kind of made it a little bit boring because
03:17:03.300we couldn't go into depth with anything but the interesting background story is jake shield started
03:17:08.500tried to find a competent mainstream holocaust historian to debate me and he had several leads
03:17:16.020one of them was threatened if he comes on a show with me and by so doing legitimizing me
03:17:24.100that's their fear yeah then he would lose his job
03:17:30.260another one wanted to discuss everything but the gas chambers it was just too much to take on so he didn't