Red Ice TV - The Netherlands Post Election, Lock Downs & Nationalism in Europe

00:00:00.000 all right here we are ladies and gentlemen welcome back thank you so much for joining us

00:00:29.140 here today do apologize for being a bit late it's been one i guess it's been one of those weeks

00:00:32.900 tech issues one after the other after the other today we're having some issues here uh with the

00:00:37.860 stream the video feed actually uh from our guests here today which we'll introduce in a moment

00:00:42.380 uh but we also have the issue of the websites being down now redice.tv is currently back up

00:00:48.460 and running uh we are still investigating what redicemembers.com is down i do apologize for

00:00:53.860 that i do apologize for an inconvenience especially to our members out there so a thank you for your

00:00:58.020 patience uh while we keep investigating kind of figure out what it was we thought it was a

00:01:01.760 certificate issue first i don't suspect any uh malicious uh you know kind of attacks or intense

00:01:07.720 or something like that uh but we're still looking it's it's a bit uh it's a bit strange a bit unclear

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00:01:18.020 went live here uh because we have someone working on it uh and uh i i didn't have time to post it

00:01:22.840 there yeah so you can't actually watch it through redice.tv right now this this live stream uh but

00:01:27.500 uh yeah so that's some progress but still not um good enough so we'll investigate that and we hope

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00:01:38.160 henrik here of course redice.tv we're doing an interview today we're going to talk about the

00:01:42.200 situation in the netherlands and i want to kind of expand our our conversation a bit too

00:01:46.660 broader to kind of talk a bit about what's happening in europe overall

00:01:49.980 it's my take on this is that it's kind of been a little bit of uh i guess the empire strikes back

00:01:56.060 you know we've had of course with trump and all that stuff and and uh there were some candidates

00:02:00.940 in in many european countries that were doing well there's some still that are doing well actually

00:02:04.600 but we haven't kind of seen the breakthrough what we've seen what the targeting of salvini in in

00:02:09.860 idly they've threatened him with with jail there's other issues going on there uh we've had uh le pen that

00:02:15.860 we thought would do better now she might still be in a good spot we'll see what happens

00:02:19.820 you know next election there but the demographic window is closing at the same time

00:02:23.580 um in sweden same thing there you you expect the sweden democrats would do better uh but then they

00:02:30.320 haven't they were like been perpetual number three for what the last two elections or something like

00:02:34.400 that so some things you got to give right so we're going to talk about that and some other stuff too

00:02:38.480 uh with our guest here today and so we had him on video for a little bit but unfortunately we just

00:02:42.600 have to go over to uh to a still uh because the video wasn't cooperating and it wasn't uh very

00:02:47.740 flattering when it's uh glitching and uh pausing at certain places but anyway uh faust uh who

00:02:53.060 uh previously was with eric in brand which we've done streams with is uh with us today how's it

00:02:57.160 going fast thank you very much i think the last time we did a stream together was also about the

00:03:01.940 dutch elections in 2017 how long ago that's crazy huh yeah yeah all right we're in this uh hamster

00:03:07.760 wheel same thing we're excited back then exactly exactly right it was uh um who's the zionist

00:03:13.400 candidate again builders that's right gert wielders that's right uh i mean it's there's some positive

00:03:21.420 aspect there and some more that i'd be critical of but uh regardless give us an overview what's

00:03:26.160 what's happening in the netherlands right now we'll dive into the result of the latest election that

00:03:30.740 happened what about two two weeks ago two and a half weeks ago now yeah the 17th of march where

00:03:35.420 the elections right well what's been happening over here the elections actually weren't greatly

00:03:41.140 interesting uh mostly we saw sort of very little shifted but mostly things fragmented between more

00:03:48.420 parties uh the more interesting thing has been about lockdowns there's been a lot of violent

00:03:53.400 demonstrations about lockdowns in january we saw the largest riots in 30 years about the lockdowns in

00:03:59.940 the netherlands that's right um we had a terror attack from the left against the church where they

00:04:05.400 blew up the front door of the church because of uh covet the media had been inciting people against

00:04:10.980 this church because they weren't obeying lockdown regulations and so some left is blue uh the front

00:04:15.980 of the church um and there's also a big scandal in the cabinet because the the current they're

00:04:24.300 currently forming a new government coalition because this is the netherlands we have so many

00:04:28.980 political parties all governments are always coalitions um and what it was leaked that the uh sitting

00:04:37.140 uh government parties wanted uh one of the more difficult members of parliament to be removed

00:04:42.640 from parliament because he had caused the cabinet to fall in the beginning of the year over scandals

00:04:48.720 with um benefit fraud and so on which apparently the government had been um really incompetently

00:04:55.140 dealing with uh so that's big in the news right now and uh but generally everything's been dominated by uh

00:05:02.780 lockdown stuff really uh that's right i remember seeing some footage from that now i'm just checking

00:05:08.540 that the stream is is up some people on d live said it's uh freezing and someone says fine now good

00:05:12.900 now okay uh i don't think that's on my end i think that's d lab anyway um yeah i remember seeing some

00:05:18.540 and it was like some brutal uh ways that the uh the state used uh water cannons and stuff like that and

00:05:24.160 some people were really smashed up by that right uh the last few weekends uh over the few over last few

00:05:30.960 months almost every weekend there's a violent demonstration in amsterdam usually in front of

00:05:35.560 the museum plane um and it tends to end with the police beating up lots and lots of people you know

00:05:41.880 water cannons um riots police cavalry charges i think they beat something like 100 people

00:05:49.120 into hospital every weekend now jesus um what do you feel about it all i think i heard you on um

00:05:54.600 thomas badden reese one of his streams and i think you were pretty much on it sounded like we're

00:05:59.460 more or less on the same page that this is uh basically a a gay op in terms of the overreach

00:06:05.420 of of how the uh various governments around the world have been using this that's what i'm seeing

00:06:09.360 at this point but what do you feel uh on the ground in in the netherlands yeah yeah i think very much

00:06:15.020 that this is definitely a way to gain more control centralized power and centralize the economy

00:06:20.380 particularly yes yes um i on the whole don't really get into the weeds too much with all this virus

00:06:28.120 and lockdown and vaccination whatever i don't really care about all that too much it's just you

00:06:33.480 know those are all details the greater problem is that the lockdowns are here that the whole

00:06:38.080 corona thing is being used as a way to centralize power and that's what the discussion needs to be

00:06:42.160 about really rather than whether the vaccines are good or bad or whether they'll work or not

00:06:47.160 that's all fringe that's not interesting part of me feels that it does tie into the and let me know

00:06:52.900 faust is a bit low by the way i can turn you up a little bit but um part of it i feel is that it

00:06:57.820 kind of dovetails a little bit with the nationalist issue as well because at least in some other

00:07:02.160 countries i've seen a lot of you know whatever country we're talking about if there's a demonstration

00:07:05.480 in denmark the danish flags are out in sweden we've seen the same thing it's kind of a almost a

00:07:11.560 little bit of a an overall awakening process i think a lot of people have gone through and there

00:07:16.000 seems to be some association at least in the lockdown protest with nationalist sentiments have you seen

00:07:21.420 anything like that in the netherlands um to an extent but there's also quite a lot of sort of

00:07:27.180 uh new age and hippie and you get some of that well yeah yeah that's true on the political side

00:07:35.180 of course the elections recently proved that the lockdowns are not a big a big enough issue for

00:07:40.260 people to change their mind very much that's one thing and uh the only parties who oppose the lockdown

00:07:45.380 are the ones on the right wing here so you could definitely categorize it as a sort of a nationalist

00:07:50.580 right-wing issue on the whole yeah yeah all right interesting um yeah so we've been following that

00:07:55.960 in many other countries and stuff like that i i think it's overall it's it's i guess it's a net

00:08:00.720 positive at the end to see the overreach by the state and get people questioning uh whether wherever

00:08:05.520 they fall on the political spectrum uh to be honest i think we're in a situation where we have a

00:08:10.100 hostile elite and it seeks to do various things with us not least uh just replace us but uh take control

00:08:16.720 and i think that this is another mechanism too the economy as you said is being massively hit to get

00:08:20.840 centralization of power the richer have gotten richer and the uh those at the very top uh upper

00:08:26.180 echelons of society have managed to get uh you know capitalize on the situation uh to their advantage

00:08:31.260 obviously but anyway let's switch over to the uh to the election then same old story ruta is back

00:08:38.120 uh well not back in power he continues in power rather yes over the last 10 years uh the vvd has

00:08:45.820 been the only power player in dutch politics basically because they're the only party that has managed to

00:08:52.140 maintain a somewhat big for a supporter base so in the netherlands we have 17 parties in parliament

00:08:59.140 currently with 150 seats um the vvd actually isn't on the whole that big historically speaking

00:09:06.580 they only have 34 seats which is about 26 27 percent of the vote um and back in the 90s there

00:09:14.420 would be three or four parties with that amount of seats these days though as you can see on the map

00:09:20.940 i think there are um most parties hover somewhere between five and 15 seats with only a few uh closer

00:09:28.540 to 20 and um this has meant that you know the fragmentation of the political spectrum has meant

00:09:33.800 it's quite hard to form a good uh a good ruling government which is why we see more and more

00:09:39.640 centralization from uh from the uh cabinet away from the parliament parliament increasingly is losing

00:09:46.940 its controlling function simply because that if any dissent happens between the coalition the government

00:09:52.740 can fall at any moment and they try to prevent that as hard as they can um the new story mainly is

00:09:59.140 of fragmentation as i say we get several new parties here mostly representing specific interests

00:10:05.120 so you've got a farmers party specifically advocating for the interests of farmers and their economic

00:10:10.440 interests mainly these are mostly against environmental regulations and so on then we got by aim which is

00:10:17.280 the black interest party essentially and we already had a turkish nationalist party denk which uh has

00:10:24.060 maintained its support base their vote share correlates almost one to one with the amount of turkish people

00:10:30.240 in the netherlands funnily enough of course um but denk is sort of the muslim interest party yeah and by aim is

00:10:37.340 the sort of progressive blacks interest party um so those are are there then we have a splintering of the

00:10:45.580 populist vote you know 10 years ago builders was the only populist voice and he got around 20 seats

00:10:51.500 he got 17 seats this election losing some ground but that's mostly made up for by the growth of forum

00:10:58.880 for democracy and yeah in and 20 uh these two uh parties could be put on the populist right in the

00:11:06.660 hall as well um forum for democracy may be more to the right on some issues than the pvv uh yeah in

00:11:14.820 20 much more classically liberal if sargon of account were to start a political party in the netherlands

00:11:20.200 it would be yeah essentially all right gotcha that should place it on the map for people i think

00:11:24.500 yeah i think that's that's a cultural reference everyone who lives on the internet now um unfortunately

00:11:31.140 and volt also got into parliament with four seats now volt is um i don't know if any of your listeners

00:11:39.520 now american listeners probably won't know but volt is the first pro-europea eu political party that

00:11:45.540 takes part in multiple countries they try they want to have representatives of political part of

00:11:51.060 of volt in every parliament in in the eu uh and they are virulent very virulently pro-eu and they

00:11:59.300 are backed by a lot of money from uh vested interests like the mega corporations lobbyists and so on

00:12:05.980 um so that's a big story on the left is the these guys come into parliament and d66 which is sort of the

00:12:14.440 somewhat woke but mostly neo-liberal party um very progressive on things like environment and

00:12:21.580 racism and sexism and so on a lot of the classical left vote has shifted to them away from the socialist

00:12:27.580 party the labor party uh the labor party is almost dead um and most of the vote and the greens have

00:12:35.020 been halved in the last election which you think is a good thing but no actually a lot of their voters

00:12:39.680 are shifted towards this even more neoliberal pro-eu party but it's just as woke as in most

00:12:45.380 green parties aren't so uh the story is basically the populist right grows a little bit but fragments

00:12:51.180 over three parties instead of being more stronger with underwilders and on the left we see the death

00:12:56.960 of the old uh sort of work class focused economics focused left wing the socialist labor party the greens

00:13:04.940 shifting towards this more globalist more woke sort of party that's a big story in this election

00:13:11.100 essentially yeah and the anti-lockdown vote uh was basically formed for democracy these were the

00:13:17.260 biggest anti-lockdown voice uh during this election campaign and they got only eight seats which shows

00:13:23.680 that actually a vast majority of people don't uh care enough about the lockdowns to change their vote

00:13:29.760 i don't i think a lot of people still have this perception that well it's going to go away so we

00:13:35.920 we won't kind of betray our political parties in order to favor this one you know kind of a one party

00:13:41.200 vote one party issue basically i think but we'll see what happens if it continues which which which is

00:13:47.120 kind of my prediction and this could obviously turn out to be wrong but i don't think the state

00:13:51.240 will let go of these kinds of things i think we'll get new strains we'll get new excuses essentially and

00:13:55.840 then this will morph into other things uh they've already started talking about for example climate

00:14:00.460 lockdowns right uh we got to get you know lockdowns to ensure that uh our environment is safe that we're

00:14:05.660 all not going to die in uh 11 years or whatever it is now uh and then that might even morph into some

00:14:10.700 kind of social justice lockdown in order to stop white supremacy we have to lock down our nations we'll see

00:14:16.720 what happens right but uh yeah that's interesting though that means it's um it's a the issue that's

00:14:22.280 dominated obviously 2020 uh you know the lockdowns the coronavirus and all that stuff everything has

00:14:27.280 been you know horribly um horribly just shifted in that regard uh but we'll see if it if it if it does

00:14:34.480 indeed go away uh you know we'll see if things change politically otherwise i would assume things

00:14:38.680 actually does change politically uh because people are going to be so sick of it you know i think they'll

00:14:44.040 implement these things the way they always do it'll be two steps forward one step back yeah and then you

00:14:50.840 know you you'll feel relieved that the lockdowns are over or whatever at the same time there's a lot

00:14:56.920 of constitutional rights and so on and freedoms that have been lost a lot of x small business has been

00:15:01.680 destroyed and that's change that's permanent and that's change that you don't notice as quickly or as

00:15:06.280 fast one of the things for example here is that the the constitution has essentially been suspended

00:15:12.360 over the last four months or so with uh what they call an emergency powers bill which has to be

00:15:19.580 renewed every two months i think but they've been renewing it every two months and it essentially

00:15:24.960 uh suspends freedom of assembly it allows for a uh um a curfew which under the constitution normally

00:15:33.420 is not allowed uh and it gives the police emergency powers which is why the police has been able to

00:15:38.380 handle things so brutally for us yeah because the reason they beat people up at those protests the

00:15:43.620 always the given reason is um too many people coronavirus risk and then they just start beating

00:15:50.140 people if they refuse to leave yeah um yeah exactly so they have uh an emergency bill to kind of get

00:15:57.040 away with that and then they continue to just i mean did you guys have two the same as it was a three

00:16:01.380 weeks to flatten the curve that that's how what this begun basically and and look at it now right a year

00:16:07.380 later here we are and it's just not going away um so i would assume that this emergency bill kind of

00:16:12.240 is extended or continued or something like that but it's also amazing to see but again i think that

00:16:16.940 if we just for a moment we'll talk more about that later to you know kind of compare america and europe

00:16:22.340 and things like that but um it's pretty amazing to see that there's definitely been much more

00:16:27.680 protest overall in uh in in european countries i i think so far um and then we've seen in an

00:16:34.520 organized matter anyway in in america uh seems more kind of shattered and it takes a different

00:16:39.620 kind of form there in terms of the protests and stuff like that but um it's amazing to me how quick

00:16:44.760 people were just willing to give up their well their rights right and and as you said freedom of

00:16:50.920 assembly out the window and as far as i know none of our constitutions or whether you have a

00:16:54.980 foundation or law whatever you have some kind of document that kind of uh grants you know rights to

00:17:00.260 citizens and so forth none of it says anything about some kind of medical emergency that oh there's

00:17:05.260 one this caveat that if if if there's enough uh bad of the disease then all of this can be thrown out

00:17:10.900 the window and people have largely have gone gone along with this there was a court case on this

00:17:15.780 actually that was won by the anti-lockdown uh group called feeders bouncing which uh actually banned

00:17:23.560 the judge said that uh it was not constitutionally allowed the curfew and it had to be thrown out

00:17:30.000 and also that um the government hadn't proven that uh corona was an immediate emergency or so

00:17:38.900 the classic example in the netherlands is if a dike breaks the government gets the issue

00:17:43.420 emergency powers to fix the dike that's an immediate and problem that needs to be fixed right now we

00:17:49.640 can't wait for courts or whatever to sort it out and very specific to the netherlands because of the

00:17:55.780 yes we have we have a thing for dikes um but the judge said well basically uh you've been able to

00:18:04.460 debate this in parliament uh this could have been gone to the senate if you wanted this to pass you

00:18:10.360 should have tried to make a constitutional amendment or pass a law um this is not the way things are done

00:18:15.500 these emergency powers in this way um there was an injunction on that so it wasn't executed and it's

00:18:21.620 expected a higher court of appeals now and it'll probably be in the court of appeals for i don't

00:18:27.060 know the next year or so that's how these things usually go yeah uh let me do just a couple of

00:18:32.000 these in case i lose them in the activity field since we're live here uh today guys uh if you're

00:18:36.740 watching the archive of course but uh i just want to uh say thank you to uh slumacool for the diamond

00:18:41.480 does it main or mine i think it is uh with a diamond says cave kings shall prevail thank you sir

00:18:47.920 appreciate that uh psilocopher with a diamond brad c with one two two and the netlux with a ninja

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00:18:57.980 there all right um so any what else regarding the election then is this how it's okay so we've seen

00:19:05.980 so i think some things reveal themselves uh in the american election this cycle

00:19:11.420 that uh i and many others have talked about for years black box voting die bowl we've talked about

00:19:18.500 these things there's some new companies that have showed up of course on the on the uh on the scene

00:19:23.100 that were sued and stuff like that there's counter suits in the u.s and things like that

00:19:26.980 if you cover or watched any of that at all are you is there any chance that because some of these

00:19:35.080 machines that were used in the u.s election are used in other european countries and other countries

00:19:38.960 all around the world i think canada is using them i think germany is using most anything like this

00:19:42.700 most european countries don't use election voting machines especially because they say it's it's

00:19:47.920 sensitive to fraud so yeah for example the dutch elections we only use physical ballots and ballot

00:19:53.920 counting very good that's excellent uh very very good i didn't know the situation there um so there's

00:20:00.260 no chance yeah there's some i heard of and i forget the details about it now i'll have to look it up to

00:20:05.920 be more specific but i i thought that there were some countries uh that were using it but anyway

00:20:10.680 so that means that people are largely what would you how would you analyze this situation how would

00:20:16.020 you diagnose this problem the people then overall are just crawling more or less to the to the same

00:20:21.740 old parties and nothing changes despite the radical transformations that's being take uh being taken

00:20:26.380 now in europe they still go to the mark rutus of this world to uh to get their political fix

00:20:31.580 yeah it's uh it's something i'm not quite sure about yet i mean we saw the same sort of thing

00:20:39.120 happen in 2017 right like you said in the beginning we were very excited for le pen we were excited for

00:20:44.160 wilders we were excited that maybe you know ukip could break through or that in the sverga

00:20:49.200 demokraten could win in sweden and um it all was a disappointment when those elections came around

00:20:54.880 it all turned out to be much less big and now they seem to be um even receding uh like i say wilders

00:21:01.720 lost some ground although populists on the whole gained about eight seats depending on which parties

00:21:09.000 you put in that box but even then the the really the definitely populist votes for for democracy and

00:21:14.980 wilders gained three seats so there's some slight growth there so the anti-system uh voice that did grow

00:21:22.100 a little bit but not nearly enough to actually change things and that seems to be the case

00:21:27.340 throughout most of europe unfortunately yeah uh and i think it has a lot to do with the fact that

00:21:32.600 the opposition is uh uninspiring i mean builders isn't a charismatic guy uh for for democracy has a

00:21:41.420 dem has a uh an inspiring leader but they have a very they don't have good ideas they don't have

00:21:46.800 ideology they don't stick to their principles uh they don't sell very well and i think in in the

00:21:53.320 us basically trump was a bit of a fluke as well yeah he might have been cheated out of the last

00:21:58.700 election that's of course you know you never know but on the whole um i think the establishment has

00:22:04.700 done its best to avoid another 2016 2017 uh media demonization of the populist here is of course

00:22:11.600 uh all the time you see that in all european countries that uh the media is used as a tool

00:22:17.580 to maintain the status quo to maintain the powers that be and they seem to be still quite uh good at

00:22:22.900 it and quite effective at it and the police brutality increasing usage of police i think

00:22:27.520 the united the united kingdom is uh the go-to example here i mean just an increasing police state

00:22:34.220 essentially um and this the fact that the media is being used this way that the police is increasingly

00:22:40.580 authoritarian uh does show that they are at least worried about resistance yeah no they are and to

00:22:48.020 that point i mentioned earlier then to kind of follow up on that i think we've seen kind of a

00:22:51.840 yeah the the empire strikes back kind of scenario right we've had a number of things happen

00:22:56.680 um in various european countries i know that erken brand which was the previous group you were

00:23:01.940 involved in if you want to speak to any of that please go ahead regarding you know either what

00:23:06.040 happened or whatever but as far as i understand situation uh they of course have been vehemently

00:23:10.080 targeted in the media there are people been doxxed uh the um apparatus there in the netherlands have

00:23:15.060 been very worried about this but we've seen comparable things where you know first out the gates in the

00:23:20.760 uk was like what the banning of i think national action things like that uh there were in was it

00:23:26.400 let me see was it was it was it yeah finland banned the nordic resistance movement there's talks about it

00:23:31.600 in both norway and denmark there's been international pressure to ban the group in sweden as well from from

00:23:37.180 america uh from interest from zionist interest in america basically and and then you have uh

00:23:42.220 generation identity right been banned in france um what else what what am i missing here there's a

00:23:48.240 couple of these that have happened which seems like they're they're cracking down hard faust

00:23:52.220 yeah exactly and there's the occasional talk here about we need to outlaw pvv and form for democracy

00:24:00.000 because they are like you know they they're uh not egalitarian and they don't support human rights

00:24:05.400 and all that stuff right yeah um i think they only move towards banning what they think it's an actual

00:24:11.220 threat uh whether that's electorally or in a metapolitical that's when they try to ban something

00:24:17.680 with if you're being threatened with being banned at least you know you're being effective otherwise

00:24:22.440 they wouldn't need to do that which shows that considering they're not banning any of the

00:24:26.900 right-wing populist parties they're not a serious threat apparently um which i find a little bit

00:24:32.320 strange that they would ban things like national action and nordic resistance because on the whole

00:24:37.900 those guys kind of spread the image that the left wants us to spread of violent skinheads and so on

00:24:44.700 um which i don't know about national action i don't know too much about them nordic resistance movement

00:24:50.820 has overall been definitely more well behaved than that i would say um okay and i think they're trying

00:24:56.500 i think the one case in finland that they based partially i think the banning on was um there was

00:25:02.380 basically one leftist that was spitting on a guy and then he kicked him in the stomach i think and he

00:25:06.320 fell backwards he hit his head and then i think he died like a couple of days later in the hospital

00:25:10.060 and that was used like as a case again he was defending himself right and that was used as a case all

00:25:15.440 these are violent extremists and stuff like that and uh of course not everyone might you know whatever

00:25:20.180 uh approve or agree or think the tactics movement is famous for these marches right right right right

00:25:26.460 so sure that's not really the the sort of storm trooper image i'm not sure if that's what you really

00:25:32.140 want um it it's it calls up certain images from the past and that's not still not very popular with

00:25:39.500 the majority of the people no it definitely i don't think it is um uh at the same time i think

00:25:44.540 your different clientele may be attracted that it depends i guess the word the worst and worst

00:25:48.720 things be uh there's kind of like a natural radicalization of society it's not natural but

00:25:54.140 it's a radicalization of society the worst uh and worse it gets obviously but overall i think the

00:25:59.900 nordic resistance movement is is um uh i've talked to many other guys there they're overall they're very

00:26:04.500 good you know very good people uh i might not see to eye eye to eye on every issue in terms of

00:26:09.460 how to approach the problem or whatever but i'm glad that they're they're there and and and doing

00:26:13.880 this and showing that there is some kind of opposition to it um and but we'll see they could

00:26:18.040 be i mean again because of the international pressure though uh they could definitely be

00:26:22.220 targeted and and banned i'm actually surprised sweden have it hasn't done it yet so i'm not sure what's

00:26:26.720 going on there but we'll have to see well again as i say maybe they're just not they'll only move

00:26:32.940 towards banning if i i think if there's they're a real threat if they start gaining seats in parliament

00:26:37.840 or whatever yeah uh there's like thousand men marches but um i think the proofs in the pudding

00:26:44.780 regarding the sort of optics wars the americans like because uh what destroyed the american alt

00:26:50.440 right was definitely charlottesville and uh acting like goons and trying to be stormtroopers

00:26:55.600 so i think that strategy has provably not worked yeah what do you think we should i mean generation

00:27:01.680 identity though if we look at france and i'm not sure how familiar you are with it but i'm sure you have

00:27:05.720 some comments on it regarding they were again they didn't really have that they had sure they

00:27:09.540 had some um stunts whatever you want to call it right where they garnered a lot of attention going

00:27:14.700 up on buildings and for banner drops and stuff but as far as i know they were never violent and stuff

00:27:18.940 but that was still it was it was interesting because in france um you had uh um i can't believe i'm spacing

00:27:26.600 on the guy's name now was it uh what's his name the head guy uh the banker uh in france

00:27:31.540 macron macron thank you thank you spacing on that for a second macron of course um he came out and he

00:27:38.560 did this spiel about you know separatist islam and stuff and we need to crack down on this a lot of

00:27:44.860 people i guess more conservatives at least were like oh this is great you know kind of thing and i

00:27:50.180 remember early on i said just watch out because they're gonna they're gonna make sure that you know

00:27:54.400 they they cut a little bit on that end but then they're gonna do on the other and essentially

00:27:58.220 what seems to be happening is that the macrons excuse me and the banking class that he represents

00:28:04.420 and the elite and stuff they basically want to see a merger of the ethnic groups in the various

00:28:09.540 european countries that have been imported right and so one way of kind of trying to ensure that to

00:28:14.660 a certain extent is to make sure that that that the the people who are in in the various european

00:28:18.400 countries integrate right that that we need to blend out we need to mix with each other and so

00:28:22.440 partially you can't have this you know kind of separate colony inside of france which is muslim

00:28:27.740 driven and stuff so the even these very pro i would say pro muslim forces in france were coming down

00:28:34.400 on that and said no no you have to you have to start integrating into society you can't have your own

00:28:38.140 schools you can't wear you know the burka and stuff like that which is my point then it's like well

00:28:42.680 why should they be in the country but then you realize that no they want you to merge and so now

00:28:46.460 they're banning france french separatism on the other end of the spectrum right um and so that's

00:28:53.440 partially why i think that they were doing this they're like they're they're as you said two steps

00:28:57.180 forward one step back they're they're giving it a little bit and then they're taking a little bit

00:29:00.580 but how do you see the situation well francis uh has very much had the legacy of louis the 14th

00:29:07.840 still instilled within it it is one of the most authoritarian states within europe within its culture in

00:29:13.500 its cultural sense it's a very centralized top-down heavy state and has always been so

00:29:18.680 and um the the reason they're banning generation identity and the case brought against them is

00:29:24.420 actually that they were usurping powers of the state by blocking a migrant entry it's not that

00:29:30.160 right illegal that they're defending illegal immigrants necessarily from a jews from a juridical

00:29:35.080 standpoint it was that they were not uh workers of the state they were not state entities so they

00:29:40.100 were illegally usurping functions of the border guards essentially um and yeah so yeah france has

00:29:46.520 always had this quite uh authoritarian streak in them uh which is why macron is i think trying to

00:29:53.400 uh centralize all of these things but it's also because he's desperately trying to gain any popularity

00:29:58.260 he can i think he's something like 20 or so in the opinion polls and le pen might win uh if it's just

00:30:05.640 against him so he's been um beating the anti-islam drum quite hard um a few months ago there was a

00:30:12.960 debate with the minister of the interior and le pen in france where the minister of the interior

00:30:17.380 actually accused le pen of not taking the threat of islamization seriously enough um so i think it's

00:30:24.280 a popular a play for popularity because he knows that the anti-islam issue is popular

00:30:29.780 um but the banning of generation identity is probably simply because they are effective as

00:30:35.980 a political force yeah people most people don't speak french and most of this whole online nationalist

00:30:42.740 scene is far too oriented towards the americans and follows the american perspective and the american

00:30:47.840 news and so on on things but in the french like the germans are much more insular turned into inwards

00:30:53.960 so there's quite a big nationalist movement in france there's quite a big nationalist movement in

00:30:57.660 germany you probably just don't know about if you're a monolingual english speaker because they

00:31:02.820 don't publish anything in english they do it all in french or german yeah so generation identity is part

00:31:08.540 of a way bigger network of especially intellectuals and metapolitical organizations and think tanks in france

00:31:14.700 and they're attractive to to youths they do intelligent activism instead of marching around with flags and

00:31:22.220 uh pretending to be stormtroopers on the 1930s they do photogenetic ops uh which doesn't require much

00:31:28.980 people low risk um and it looks cool it attracts young people yeah um so generation identity being

00:31:36.040 banned they they had an excuse to do it they'll probably try and do it with other uh groups and

00:31:40.920 organizations as well one thing notable though is france has quite a lot of right-wing public intellectuals

00:31:46.880 renard camus well back zemmour number of others and they actually get on tv quite a lot and they

00:31:52.100 talk about right their viewpoints and um that's quite unique i don't think any in in any other country

00:31:58.460 um right-wing intellectuals get that much airplay yeah it's a good point i think um

00:32:04.520 and i might be um i might i might be wrong about my perception maybe not right-wing uh personalities but

00:32:14.120 denmark surprisingly actually has a pretty good dialogue when it comes to some of these issues

00:32:18.940 they've been famous for looking towards sweden and just like they're they're insane they're you know

00:32:23.240 they're shutting down there's no discussion about these things and whatever they're sadly though

00:32:27.380 slowly moving in the same direction as sweden but at least they're having a conversation about it

00:32:32.480 as it's unfolding in denmark but uh what about germany i want to i'll go back and ask about erkenbrand a

00:32:37.960 little bit and and kind of that situation in um in the netherlands there but talk to us about germany a

00:32:43.540 little bit you you know some uh quite a bit about this and you talked in one another show that you

00:32:47.500 did about the how many just how many smaller groups there are in a country like germany there

00:32:53.900 isn't like this one monolithic kind of thing i mean they have some of the political parties of

00:32:57.820 course afd and others but uh as as a as a force in terms of moving in in a nationalist direction

00:33:03.020 much more uh scattered and compartmentalized right and different ideologies so for example you've

00:33:10.280 got the reichsburger bewegung which are um i suppose imperial german uh you know they want the kaiser

00:33:18.360 back basically their monarchies those have about 100 000 members and then there's a absolutely huge

00:33:24.980 uh neo-nazi scene still in germany um a lot of skinhead culture of course but what i mean huge i mean

00:33:32.680 they can't get an annual event together in east germany called uh spaten schild which uh gets about

00:33:39.900 6 000 attendees and you get whole villages which are just right-wing villages um some have just

00:33:47.220 basically not changed since the 1940s essentially in their views on what they do um and this is

00:33:53.640 usually these skinhead groups and so on are between 50 to 200 members or so

00:33:58.760 uh and there's a lot of those and you get a few um reactionary intellectuals like you got got

00:34:05.580 scubicek and on titus publishing but the german scene is much more uh volks uh we would say it's

00:34:13.300 much more like lower class people normal people who are just friend groups activist groups things like

00:34:20.360 that who um hold very right-wing views but they don't have intellectual representatives or a manifesto

00:34:27.760 or anything like that right um they might have a logo and then they go drink beer together and

00:34:32.480 complain about you know jews and uh immigrants so uh but yeah there's there's quite a lot of

00:34:39.740 nationalist sentiment in germany uh in that sense uh but like even the npd as cringe as the npd is still

00:34:47.660 get something like three or four percent of the vote every election in germany and the npd are openly

00:34:53.200 neo-nazi organization um if they is more populist although they have a quite reactionary right-wing

00:35:00.560 flank on their side as well um so i think it's kind of underestimated um how big right-wing sentiment

00:35:08.160 still is within germany i mean the christian democratic party of merkel is a lot more right-wing

00:35:13.920 on a lot of things than you might think it's just merkel herself isn't and she maintains that party

00:35:18.640 pulling to the left yeah exactly that's true and of course it's been here's just one of the stories

00:35:24.560 here but a lot of uh attacks on especially on afd it seems that the afd has been more um targeted than

00:35:30.880 the uh was it the npd was that the npd yeah um as the politicians have been like there was one case

00:35:37.920 recently and this might be the one i'm i'm actually not sure i'm too well read up on every single case but

00:35:42.400 where i guess some antifa members were like posing as cops or whatever and they they brought they you

00:35:48.000 know i guess the pie the guy opened the door and they like kept him for hours they they cracked his

00:35:53.920 skull with a hammer and and shit like that like there's a crazy uh violent scene in germany uh

00:35:59.600 politically between those different factions that you you don't really hear too much about in the in

00:36:03.360 the press uh actually oh it's um i uh one thing for example is football hulu and culture in germany is

00:36:10.880 very political where uh supporters of different clubs will be right or left wing and uh fight

00:36:17.040 each other and that gets to be a quite political issue for example within bremen and hamburg you

00:36:22.000 get violent clashes quite often between these uh supporter groups and a big and then one club will

00:36:28.000 be quite far right and then the other side will be really anti-fat type so there's quite a lot of

00:36:32.640 fighting like that um in the netherlands that hasn't happened for a while it used to be the same

00:36:37.280 here in the 80s and 90s in 1980 we had a street battle between 11 000 police and 100 000 communists

00:36:44.800 marxists and others um which lasted for about a day so it got quite violent back then uh but that's

00:36:52.240 kind of stopped since before time was murdered over here so in 2002 a quite successful politician who

00:36:58.640 might have become the leader of the biggest party and therefore uh he would be invited to become the

00:37:04.240 premier that's essentially the prime minister uh he was shot and killed by a green left activist um to

00:37:10.240 prevent that happening um and like there hasn't been that much violence since then until quite recently

00:37:17.120 with the slight growth of populism here we saw theory about that has been attacked a number of times his

00:37:22.880 door uh graffitied over and um we had the first leveling terror attack in quite a while just this week where

00:37:29.920 this church it was blown up where was that it was in that crimpen it's a small town where is that uh

00:37:40.080 on the map so to speak uh north southwest north let me see if i can get you let me see if i can find a

00:37:45.680 story about that in the meantime i'm showing some footage here to one of the i i remember seeing a

00:37:49.760 while back so yeah some of the german uh football like hooligan supporter clubs or whatever and it was

00:37:55.360 like holy shit like if these people are politically engaged you know what i mean and like actually

00:38:01.360 decided like you know get involved in some way they'll be again it's just this i mean there's

00:38:05.360 nothing wrong with sports or whatever we we know it's a simulacrum it's a it's a replacement for

00:38:09.920 something else or whatever but holy shit i tell you some of these supporter clubs gotta gotta get

00:38:14.800 their head in the game and realize what's happening to their countries you know over here whenever there's

00:38:19.680 protests i guess like for example when the statue stuff was happening in the united states that was

00:38:24.240 happening over here as well uh left-wing groups and black groups wanted to take down statues of

00:38:29.120 our colonial and and sailor heroes and uh football hooligan clubs came out in numbers to defend them

00:38:35.440 actually there was some rioting over that as well here last year yeah uh so this was just the other

00:38:41.040 day you said the church uh was burned yes just this week just this week see i can't i can't even find

00:38:46.880 it netherlands church burned down or burnt and it's like nothing of course you know again it's like the

00:38:52.400 it's probably local stories right there and then it doesn't really reach well it was a bomb actually

00:38:58.080 a bomb okay all right let me let me see here we find netherlands bomb explosion here we go outside

00:39:04.560 a dutch coronavirus testing site okay um explosion near covet 19 that's that that they're reporting on

00:39:10.880 though of course uh because it's some crazy lockdown person behind it it's probably a government story for

00:39:16.000 you um i'll send it to you on telegram yeah send it on telegram and i'll pull that in right there okay

00:39:20.560 thank you uh okay interesting so what uh what do they know uh what more did they know about that

00:39:27.280 now they know it was politically motivated is that what's yeah so this this church had openly stated

00:39:32.800 that they were because churches were asked because freedom of religion is a big thing due to the

00:39:38.000 history of protestantism and catholicism fighting each other in the netherlands we have very strong

00:39:42.960 freedom of religion laws so the government can't actually say mosques and churches can't hold services

00:39:48.560 they generally can't do that without a constitutional amendment so they were churches were asked not

00:39:53.600 to have services or to reduce the amount of attendees but our our uh sort of hardline protestant reform

00:40:00.880 community said no we're you know god's more important than the coronavirus so we're going to church

00:40:06.080 and this particular church said that they were going to ignore any and all mass mandates lockdown rules

00:40:10.880 or anything so the media has been harassing them and uh a journalist got beat up by one of the church

00:40:16.720 attendees while beat up he got kicked in the stomach basically because he was harassing people trying

00:40:21.280 to enter church on the sunday uh and this guy got pissed off and he tried to get the journalists to go

00:40:26.880 away and kicked him away and then um the next day or i think there was two days between a bomb was put

00:40:33.280 at that church uh probably by a left-wing activist uh because the church wasn't following the corona virus

00:40:40.240 um rules all right interesting yeah just kind of tie into each other there um what else so do you want

00:40:47.840 to talk anything about erkenbrand are they still uh up and running uh uh well unfortunately i don't

00:40:54.720 want to say too much about it but okay if you're dutch they're not a worthwhile organization uh to go to

00:40:59.840 anymore i'm afraid that they've really uh fallen into the whole radical neo-nazi spiel and all they talk about

00:41:08.400 anymore is jews um and quite a lot of the more intellectual and valuable guys have left at this

00:41:13.440 point so unfortunately i wouldn't recommend them um dutch scenes kind of sort of floundering like a lot

00:41:22.400 of nationalist movements at the moment um i think when the lockdowns are over a lot of activity will

00:41:28.800 re-emerge but for now it's been quite stagnant the only group that's actually quite proactive and

00:41:33.440 growing right now is vorpost but they are more active in flanders than in the netherlands

00:41:38.160 i think i've heard about them yeah what what would you what would you like to to see what's

00:41:42.640 your recommendation to also young guys you know listening and we're talking about you know there's

00:41:47.600 the different well type of thing in america whatever let's talk about like many european

00:41:51.680 countries what would you like to see what do you think what do you think would work to reach people

00:41:55.360 i think the example to take is the flemish movement so flanders is the dutch speaking half of

00:42:02.240 belgium belgium does not exist it's the southern netherlands there are a bunch of filthy separatists

00:42:06.400 so we're going to annex them someday but the flemish movements are sort of the dutch nationalist

00:42:12.480 movement within belgium and they're split over whether they want to rejoin with the netherlands

00:42:18.080 or be an independent republic but on the whole they are very very well organized they've got

00:42:23.520 student unions the kvhv and the nsv which is the nationalist student union and the catholic

00:42:28.880 conservative student union they have their own trade unions they have their own activist groups

00:42:34.880 like vorpost and they have political representation within vlam's belong and to an extent every

00:42:41.360 flemish parliamentary party has a flaming hunt faction so the cdfa the liberals the nva has uh

00:42:52.000 parliamentary members who are either separatists or greater netherlands thinkers

00:42:56.240 uh so they're they're well represented across the political spectrum

00:42:59.440 and they organize a lot of uh things within the community a lot of people talk about this idea of

00:43:06.000 parallelism that is kind of what flanders has been doing yeah building things away from the belgium

00:43:11.120 and flemish from the belgium state building flemish institutions so they've got their own like i said

00:43:15.920 they've got their own trade unions they've got their own uh lobby groups for small business they've got

00:43:20.080 their own insurance companies even uh health insurance mainly uh but also car insurance they've got like

00:43:25.760 garages which will offer you like a discount if you're a member of a nationalist group things like

00:43:30.480 that so this parallelism is really how things should be built they've got some public intellectuals as

00:43:35.920 well like robert stoikers um and that's really the way to go with things i think one of the worst things

00:43:44.560 has been this huge focus on america which the only thing happening in the american nationalist scene is

00:43:51.680 entertainment streaming is people just doing live streams and not building anything talking about

00:43:56.800 the news not they're just entertainers no you need entertainers you need some news channels you need

00:44:02.880 stuff like that but you can't only have that you need you need actual organizations on the ground

00:44:08.400 um so i think that really a lot of nationalist groups should look at what the flamish movement is

00:44:13.840 doing and take lessons from them uh because they've been quite successful and at this point they're at

00:44:18.720 almost 50 percent of the electoral vote uh if you put the more right-wing parts if you put the

00:44:25.760 really right-wing party the flams belong there about almost at 30 percent of the vote now and they can

00:44:31.120 affect real change and they don't only affect change politically but they simply affect change by

00:44:36.080 building things in their own communities um they don't need the government to come in they'll just do it

00:44:40.960 themselves okay can't have they now i've argued for this for for we here on the show have argued

00:44:47.040 this for some time too you have to begin locally you have to prevent these things locally you have to be

00:44:51.760 on the you know the school board the city council you have you know all these basically yes they're going to

00:44:58.640 be boring stupid things where you are going to be half asleep in these meetings but that's how they

00:45:04.960 that's how they've taken over right do you know if vlam's belong is managed to uh let's take the

00:45:11.840 immigration question then have they due to their strong local presence been able to um have a say

00:45:18.640 in this or are they being run over by the belgian national uh system both actually sort of so wherever

00:45:27.120 there is a right-wing majority within uh a town they can vote against having refugees resettled or

00:45:34.560 having refugee centers built this also happens in the netherlands um but sometimes that gets

00:45:40.480 superseded on you know the grounds of the national interest and uh then the state just comes in and

00:45:45.200 does it anyway yeah but it's it at least prevents it sometimes and it's a barrier to an extent there was

00:45:51.280 a famous story in aust last i think 2019 where they had a carnival parade where they had uh they

00:45:59.280 were satirizing jews and muslims um i remember that and when the yeah it was quite funny yeah but when

00:46:07.280 and when the the belgian state and the un and the eu all said oh this is uh awful and uh it's terrible

00:46:14.080 they delisted themselves from the un uh heritage list and uh the mayor basically said well we're still

00:46:20.880 gonna do it anyway you know go away this is our tradition we'll do whatever we want yeah that's

00:46:25.040 right that's because it's a majority right-wing town and they can they'll just ignore it people talking

00:46:30.160 about them there was some funny i'd see if we can find some footage of uh the actual marches and stuff

00:46:36.160 like that here here's something like that we could play some of that in the meantime yeah there was a

00:46:39.680 lot of a lot of complaining on this obviously but uh yeah it's like it's screw you it's like it's that

00:46:45.040 you know they should be able to do whatever they want to do if they want to make fun of things

00:46:48.080 it's uh totally up to them so that's cool i saw that to remember the mayor was like you know no

00:46:52.160 this is it's not a problem it's it's what we want to do uh this is tradition and and it's also kind

00:46:58.800 of this uh really aside the signs of the times of how i mean let's be honest about this uh we have

00:47:05.280 forces all over they're making fun of white people and white culture and europeans all the time

00:47:10.160 right and this is never any problem whatever as soon as we do it about another group then it's uh the

00:47:14.800 the whole the whole uh the whole universe is just uh collapsing because of it right

00:47:21.520 yeah yeah exactly yeah this this is a very centrist talking point it's a sort of

00:47:27.280 libertarian take that you can't make fun of anyone anymore but it is still true like

00:47:32.160 humors become very restrictive yeah and you can't make any jokes about blacks about women about gays

00:47:37.520 about jews i mean who are you supposed to make fun of them uh only whites only europeans yeah but

00:47:43.360 that's that's fine you can't make fun of whites because we've built everything there's not much

00:47:47.760 you can mock us for yeah no i i get your i get your point but uh you know it's it's sanctioned right

00:47:53.840 but uh yeah so anyway let's go back to the point about the uh the you know working locally and things

00:47:59.280 like this i think this is a very good very good method and starting organ not only just organizations

00:48:05.440 for the sake of organization but but as you say uh uh businesses which then would imply

00:48:11.920 essentially listings of those businesses that there's a network of people that communicate if

00:48:16.320 you need your car fixed if you need whatever you need to do go to those people that are your people

00:48:21.200 that are on your side and support them right yeah it's a no it's a if you know you know sort of thing

00:48:27.440 it's not like you can go to a website of like this is the flemish approved businesses or anything

00:48:32.640 right but yeah you'll know if they have a flemish flag up or a prince of walk up you'll know that this

00:48:36.880 is a nationalist business um and the thing is in flanders you can actually fly those symbols um

00:48:42.720 quite easily you it's it's fairly uncontroversial to fry the prince of loch or or the the flemish flag

00:48:51.360 in the netherlands that's already a bit more difficult but even here you can wave nationalist

00:48:55.280 symbols more easily i think than somewhere like germany or the united states yeah because you do have

00:49:00.720 that issue that as soon as that begins to be uh an issue there's uh infiltration right there's

00:49:07.200 there's takeover exposing doxing it's uh saying this is a bad person and stuff it's and it's not

00:49:13.520 that it shouldn't be done or whatever and and and eventually i think that will reach uh what's the

00:49:18.000 right word here a boiling point a a sense that for one people won't care anymore but the other is when

00:49:24.720 it's enough people that are um that are on your on our side uh they will go to those businesses and

00:49:31.120 continue that the the other problem of course right now that we face um is not only de-platforming but

00:49:36.560 people's livelihoods is being destroyed and things like that um i remember uh holland or i heard some

00:49:43.680 somewhere that netherlands and i think you talked about this too they have overall very good you know

00:49:47.760 business you know climate and things like that too uh have you seen the same kind of things that we

00:49:52.480 see in america with people getting their bank accounts shut down and things is that is that

00:49:56.080 an issue in the netherlands no because that's illegal uh there's uh the banks have a duty to

00:50:04.080 uh give people like it's illegal to just shut down someone's bank account if they don't have an

00:50:08.720 alternative because the banks have are by law mandated to give people a bank account yeah it's

00:50:14.080 different for businesses they can shut down business accounts down but we haven't had that happen

00:50:18.560 here yet uh i think on the whole those sorts of things usually we like behind on them because

00:50:25.040 most dutch people are still have a lot of common sense and they would be kind of shocked i mean our

00:50:30.240 press is of course our media is um very biased and very progressive and very nothing but if i if

00:50:36.080 whenever i look at like british tabloids or british tv or american tv you wouldn't get away with

00:50:42.400 something like cnn in the netherlands people would think this is just so overtly propagandistic i'm not

00:50:47.040 watching this yeah so they have to be a bit more subtle about those sorts of things so shutting down

00:50:51.600 someone's bank account over here that would probably make the news and the bank would be in trouble over

00:50:56.720 that and also because we've got parliamentary political parties like so with some builders and

00:51:02.880 about that would ask questions about that in parliament and there would be an inquiry commission

00:51:06.560 yeah and the government would have to formulate an answer so the fact that we've got political

00:51:10.560 representation also helps us to an extent yeah i know that's uh that's really really good uh a

00:51:17.920 couple of more here just brad c give it diamond over on d live thank you for that rose city 74 with

00:51:22.800 the ninja guinea thank you for that simply says greetings from the pacific northwest greetings uh

00:51:27.600 thank you for tuning in good to have you here and also thank you to uh uh silocifer giving kofing

00:51:33.120 a uh one month uh uh sub there and thank you to everyone subbing over on uh on d lab i appreciate that

00:51:38.080 all right so what should we what should what should we close off here uh with faust well i think so

00:51:44.320 what i would say is it's a question of momentum as well as well for a lot of things if you get enough

00:51:48.320 people within your local community who agree with you like if you if you look at flanders the fact

00:51:52.960 that just about 50 to 60 percent of the people agree with the framish nationalist agenda means that

00:51:58.160 you can get away with so much because you're not some fringe weirdo talking about weird things you're

00:52:03.120 just another member of the community so if you live in a village and you've got like

00:52:09.040 30 or 40 other people who agree with you and you're publicly visible in that sense

00:52:12.880 you can get a lot of stuff done and i think you see this happening in the united states where

00:52:17.680 the the so-called red states are moving more and more away from uh the washington agenda especially

00:52:23.280 florida and uh so on but you already you see this happening somewhat on the state level i think in

00:52:28.400 the united states where simply because the state is basically entirely republican um they just do

00:52:34.640 whatever they want right yep exactly well it's crazy what what do you what do you think uh

00:52:40.800 politically here uh give us your crystal ball uh kind of analysis here a little bit at the end

00:52:45.760 um will it just continue more of the same more of the same until the the window closes in terms of

00:52:51.520 the politics i mean i think we're we're almost there now in terms of uh an opportunity to change

00:52:56.880 something politically and if not at that point i guess then the the flanders model would be you

00:53:02.400 know another another one to follow to do something but again that would kind of almost mean that

00:53:09.600 at the short term that would be very hard then to like regain control of our countries but it would

00:53:14.560 turn into more of a uh you know i don't know separatist communities it doesn't sound right but

00:53:19.680 but you know what i mean that basically this you have a group of people they just don't want to

00:53:22.640 take part in this they want to have somewhere to live they want to uh there's nowhere so what do we

00:53:26.560 go you know kind of thing right so you're still in in the country that you were uh that you're in

00:53:30.720 of the of the ethnicity national nationality that you're part of but you're setting up something and

00:53:35.920 living in a way that you want to do which kind of then turns it into a little bit of a a smaller

00:53:40.320 area but at least hopefully you can live in somewhat according to the the ways that you'd prefer

00:53:47.280 yeah exactly that i think on the whole we're all just waiting for the american empire to collapse

00:53:52.000 really i mean we're all staring at the americans and whatever the americans do dictate what we do

00:53:56.720 in europe to a huge extent um the problem is if america falls who knows who becomes a global hegemon

00:54:03.840 then do we get china will the eu actually start building itself as a world power my hope is that

00:54:10.560 the european nations will be able to work together as a power block and become again the global hegemon

00:54:16.640 replacing the united states and their degenerate culture but on the whole i think in terms of big

00:54:22.960 things uh we can't do anything it's all up to america and what happens in america and we can't

00:54:29.520 influence that from outside the united states so it's up to americans to change things what i see from

00:54:35.520 american dissidents is all kinds of incompetence and idiocy and i don't think they're going to manage to

00:54:40.480 change anything really um so unfortunately i think we just have to kind of wait for american power to

00:54:46.240 decline to such an extent that uh especially their media and cultural influence declines and uh that

00:54:53.280 european countries start realizing that they have to be more self-assertive or be taken over by russia

00:54:58.960 or china um so yeah it's kind of a pessimistic take i'm afraid at the end there and shots fired uh

00:55:05.840 gentlemen uh some criticism here for for americans well look at the biggest american network like

00:55:11.760 killstream right is that the biggest one that's that's a completely degenerate guy leading that

00:55:17.840 i like it it's it's it's it we need some of that i i as you said before you know that there's a there's a

00:55:23.760 value and a steam valve thing to that but uh it's a different niche obviously than what you're trying to

00:55:29.040 to do obviously right well what i what killstream is for me the epitome of the problem with the whole

00:55:34.000 american scene is it's all just entertainment it's incredibly lowbrow it's not building anything

00:55:38.480 it's very destructive it incites fighting all the time um and it has and it puts people who

00:55:44.880 absolutely do not deserve it on a pedestal i mean the guy leading it is an alcoholic um

00:55:50.720 is a good guy i won't come down on ethan but have you have your say yeah but well i like you well

00:55:57.120 the thing is this is generally true of most of the american movement that it doesn't really go much

00:56:02.000 beyond just streaming and infighting in the internet and not building anything and i don't

00:56:06.960 see anything positive coming out of the united states really jared taylor is probably one of the

00:56:12.160 best guys around he does some productive stuff countercurrents uh decent um and that's about it

00:56:18.960 everything else is just talking about the news and streaming and entertainment and not building

00:56:23.040 anything and uh it can be quite degenerate as well so i think i think it's also too impressed by the

00:56:28.080 americans i think it's no i understand that and i i think it's it's late in the game but it's also

00:56:33.920 early do you know what i'm saying that a lot of this is kind of like the nationalism in america has

00:56:40.000 been very uh what should we say symbolic but also potent and in a way kind of in your face which made

00:56:45.760 this perception that it's like oh this is how it is now but then all of a sudden within the realm

00:56:49.840 of a couple of decades it was just like you know every conservative value every nationalist

00:56:53.920 patriotic value more or less gone out the window and then they have a little bit of a relapse with

00:56:58.560 trump which was as you said in the beginning kind of an anomaly i think we'll see things and i think

00:57:03.120 it's just also the sheer scale and size of the country makes it more difficult again i think if

00:57:07.600 people need to start working locally i think you'll see things like the you know the there's a pacific

00:57:12.320 northwest movement there's a greater idaho movement and things like that there's other types of things

00:57:16.560 in you know whether it's best west virginia or southern parts and stuff and that i think generally

00:57:21.520 is good you know stop thinking about america but think about their state i mean that's what the

00:57:25.840 whole damn thing was founded on the idea of states and states right right right you can't work on that

00:57:30.960 biggest scale i mean one of the reasons european nationalist movements are far more successful and

00:57:35.120 better organized is uh we're just smaller like the netherlands the dutch-speaking world sphere has maybe

00:57:41.920 30 million people in it if you include south africa and belgium and that's that's manageable right yeah

00:57:47.840 the same goes for germany there's 80 million and then you go austria but say 100 million germans or

00:57:52.000 so um that's manageable that's a and geographically manageable it's here you can reach people uh it

00:58:00.000 also helps that we have our own languages and our own separate culture yeah but i think americans should

00:58:04.560 think way more about on a state level stop thinking about what's happening california or new york

00:58:08.640 would worry about what's happening in your own state capital i agree and i think that that's something

00:58:12.560 we're going to start to see especially when it gets more polarized polarized and and right now

00:58:17.200 actually you know while we're talking uh this natural kind of division or split is kind of

00:58:23.040 happening where we're like conservative people are like leaving california in droves you know

00:58:27.840 they're going to state that are more conservative and you'll see you'll start to see this kind of

00:58:31.040 split so i i still think overall i'm positive it sounds i think there's a lot of good people in america

00:58:36.400 and they will start realizing that hey we can't like trust that we're going to change this

00:58:40.320 yet on a federal level we have to think locally we have to uh you know hold draw a line in the

00:58:44.960 sand and basically say this is our place we uh you know we it's we who control that this is the

00:58:49.840 people say and we want to live the way we want to live so i i still think there's going to be a lot

00:58:53.520 of good things uh kind of out of that environment uh but then at the same time uh you know i understand

00:58:59.840 what you're saying now the reason with the focus the american focus too partially also by europe i think

00:59:03.920 is i think you hit the nail on the head when you say that it's obviously it's it's a it's a

00:59:10.080 declining empire it's it's it's rotted from within this i think it's an intentional plan i think it's

00:59:15.520 to to overwhelm the system to cause it to collapse there's a new global order that's arising out of

00:59:20.160 this they've the internationals used america for a long time it was the military force or whatever

00:59:24.880 now it's a belt and road initiative it's countries like uh china india uh even russia to a certain

00:59:30.880 extent israel a very small country is going to be part of that belt and road initially be a very

00:59:35.120 important geographical uh and i think eventually maybe even a spiritual hub in in this new kind of

00:59:41.120 system that they're building but they're turning their back on america basically and it's crumbling

00:59:45.200 from the inside uh they're ruining it financially intentionally and everything and um but think

00:59:51.280 back to on the situation in the balkans right back in the uh early 90s right where you had a

00:59:56.800 european country with internal conflicts uh serbia bosnia that whole thing uh kosovo uh where america came in

01:00:03.760 and sided with the mujahideen side basically right and that's why people still look to america

01:00:08.960 because like you could have a european country break off and do something but america would still i

01:00:13.520 think be on the uh invade especially if it's a european country invade occupying troops in germany

01:00:20.800 exactly they're still doing it yeah okay yep they are they are um there was even some news about the rt

01:00:25.840 had the piece that it's like germany is still living under some kind of legal clause that they're

01:00:30.560 they're legally considered to be an occupied country and they don't have sovereignty oh well

01:00:34.480 the constitution of germany was written by uh the the united states uh that's one of the arguments a

01:00:40.480 lot of the reichsburger make right that ever since weimar uh germany hasn't been able to assert itself

01:00:46.720 and therefore it has that sovereignty so every regime since the kaiser fell is illegitimate yeah that's

01:00:51.520 one of their illegal arguments so so one thing yeah go ahead go ahead america doesn't have roots right

01:00:57.920 that's one of the reasons they can that global capital they can so easily they do but they've

01:01:02.560 been it's been replaced right there's this shadow version of america the melting pot america that's

01:01:07.600 been replaced which is a farce it wasn't the case but you know what i mean not yeah but there are some

01:01:12.240 culture that i'd say there are some roots that they could go back to for example the the anglo-saxon

01:01:18.720 tradition and more in the north and and you know um vermont and so on you know melville and um

01:01:24.240 um i think writers like that jack london when you've got the south of course you've got southern

01:01:30.400 secessionist ideas and uh i i the only american nationalists i generally like are more of the

01:01:37.440 sort of southerners because they've got much more of a grasp of their own history who they are as a

01:01:42.480 people they've got a conception of themselves which reminds me more of how european nationalists are

01:01:47.760 where new european nationalists are more very rooted in their history very rooted in their culture very

01:01:51.920 opposed to for example uh english being introduced as a language american cultural influences and so

01:01:58.000 on and i think that the the sort of southerners confederate sort of thing they get that because

01:02:03.440 that's also happened to them with yankees taking over there i can get along with those guys a lot

01:02:11.920 better than i usually can get with the white nationalist sort of types who don't we don't seem to have any

01:02:16.000 roots and who just seem to appeal to nazi germany for most of their ideas which isn't their country and

01:02:20.640 not their tradition and they don't understand it anyway they can't even speak german some are

01:02:26.320 trying very hard no but uh i i get your point um all right um dished out i i i get your criticism and uh

01:02:34.560 and thank you for having your say about that um but yeah there's again i think i think it's too

01:02:39.600 i guess the overall is it's too early to tell i think that this struggle have has kind of started now

01:02:45.360 in terms of which direction things will go and especially even after january 6th this this idea that how a

01:02:49.920 large segment i mean there's a website in america now like what do we do about the 74 million people

01:02:54.800 that voted for trump like they want to put these people in in some kind of re-education camps or

01:02:59.040 something uh it's it's a breakdown and an ongoing battle it's never really gone away but it's

01:03:03.920 intensified in a level that we haven't really seen internally in america and this happening at a time

01:03:07.920 that where other countries are rising up ultimately i think it would be a good thing

01:03:12.640 you know for the collapse of of the american empire but at the same time we should also be wary of

01:03:17.680 who's going to replace it because i think if china puts itself in that position uh yeah you know

01:03:24.400 as bad as the neocon kind of faction has been in america and stuff like that and it's been

01:03:29.600 certainly detrimental to to many european countries most european countries uh be careful what you wish

01:03:34.960 for because china i know it's not gonna be any better you know what i mean yeah but that's what i think

01:03:41.360 my hope dream whatever you want to call it would be that uh europe can form itself as a sort of

01:03:48.880 not the eu such as it is today but i think right i mean europe has more people than the united states

01:03:54.480 we've got a bigger economy than the united states technically speaking if you put us all together

01:03:58.960 if we were to cooperate we could easily be a global power player we've got the manpower we've got the

01:04:03.600 iq we've got the technology that the economy it's just that the current system makes it that we are

01:04:11.200 basically slavishly following the united states and we i don't think we need to uh and it's destroying

01:04:16.640 our culture as well all right very good i appreciate your perspective files thank you so much for joining

01:04:21.920 us always a pleasure uh talking with you connecting with you listening to what's going on only in the

01:04:26.320 netherlands but some other uh areas in europe as well uh what what's next do you have anything up

01:04:31.840 ongoing something uh do you go to events still uh is there something you like a plug i'm not sure

01:04:36.800 what's going on yeah yeah so i have my own youtube channel uh where i mostly my english speaking youtube

01:04:43.600 channel i mostly talk about whatever ideas i happen to have or do some streams about you know nationalist

01:04:50.160 stuff but i have a dutch language project which for any dutch people dutch speakers listening

01:04:56.160 is is probably interesting called diesel bazar which is sort of uh my idea was to imitate prager

01:05:02.960 you but with reactionary ideas right uh i think that model works quite well you can see how popular

01:05:09.760 uh prager is at all and we also publish a magazine about arts culture and history um which i write with

01:05:16.720 a few other guys we might start doing events uh it's on the table bill there's we might expand this

01:05:23.360 project for now it's just a media project to inform people about basically dutch history dutch

01:05:29.040 nationalism reactionary of years um yeah yeah no that's uh that's good check out these channels uh

01:05:35.520 ladies and gentlemen here's the one uh deets deets abusing how did you pronounce it deets about

01:05:40.320 okay that's for the uh uh dutch speaking audience and then you have uh just simply faust the channel you

01:05:45.520 had it here what was it again let me uh let me pull it up uh the url it's just my name um yeah faust

01:05:51.760 faust faust lanzer one right that's what it was uh right down there folks you got it in the lower

01:05:57.200 third right there so check that out all right well i appreciate it thank you so much fast uh always

01:06:01.200 good to talk to you uh keep me in the loop let me know what's going on and we'll have you back again

01:06:04.960 in the future absolutely thank you very much for having me on awesome we'll see you later take care man

01:06:09.520 bye bye all right there we go thank you so much appreciate that uh thank you for uh staying with

01:06:15.840 us today uh hope you enjoyed the show i hope you enjoyed uh the perspective uh shout out to uh to

01:06:21.120 ethan ruff as well i like ethan i don't have a problem with ethan he's been always very nice to me

01:06:26.160 and i think it's his show and many others have filled kind of a specific purpose so i don't want to

01:06:30.720 chime in and go along in what the file said today but whatever that's his his opinions he's he's

01:06:35.200 entitled to them um but uh but otherwise i think there's some good points uh made by my by faust

01:06:41.280 uh it is a very you know kind of american-centric uh online environment and again i think it's for

01:06:46.880 for a reason many people are talented there in terms of what they're doing as well um but also

01:06:51.600 a lot of people a lot of eyes are on america you know for that purpose that has just been such

01:06:56.320 a strong dominating force uh in the world especially with the media and stuff like where that media is

01:07:01.040 going it's mimicked and stuff in in uh in the in the rest of the not only western world but uh in

01:07:06.960 in some cases in the rest of the world um so it's for for good reason but then at the same time

01:07:12.320 both as we explained in the show both sadly but also kind of in um uh you know to some advantage

01:07:19.680 that's uh a in decline now right uh it's it's an empire in decline uh so everyone is uh curious to

01:07:26.800 see what where where is this going what's gonna happen uh and uh i know that there's a lot of good

01:07:31.360 people uh in in the us a lot of good people a lot of um uh well-meaning uh intended kind uh white

01:07:38.080 people that are being screwed over um as the machine is clamping down in in the way that it is

01:07:43.040 right um so i think there's going to be a lot more regions that go their own way so to speak in america

01:07:49.280 and it's just such a big country it's so hard to keep that together there's this classic life cycle

01:07:53.840 of a nation and there's whether it's an economic collapse or an actual cultural uh collapse it

01:07:59.360 just seems to go through this uh every so often i forget what the number so i heard some scholar put

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The Netherlands Post Election, Lock Downs & Nationalism in Europe - Faust

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