James Edwards of The Political Censydewalk joins host Henrik to discuss the Mar-a-Lago raid and what it means for the future of the conservative movement and its response to the overreach of the FBI and DOJ.
00:11:47.560This was one of the leaders of the Axis made the comment after Pearl Harbor that it would be very hard to do anything with America because behind every blade of grass is a citizen with a gun.
00:11:59.220And it's all people that know how to use these weapons, by the way.
00:12:15.940And you certainly don't have to go out and do things that are terroristic in nature to see this thing perhaps fall apart and something new made from the rubble.
00:12:26.500Again, don't go out and become violent.
00:12:30.560Don't become the caricature of who they say we are.
00:12:32.820Yeah, that's what they want in this case.
00:12:34.360It's going to collapse under the weight of its own gravity, but it's all absolutely staggering.
00:12:39.160I put up a screenshot of a Monmouth University poll a few days ago, and we were talking about the complete lack of trust.
00:12:47.620Look, you have to have the public lose faith in the institutions before anything's going to change.
00:12:55.080Another thing is, of course, look, our ideas are no more right today than they were last year or five years ago or 10 years ago or 25 years ago or 50 years ago or whenever.
00:13:08.600But history teaches us that you have to have a tick of good timing for anything to work.
00:13:13.480You have to have timing and circumstance rise to meet with an idea to give that idea or that movement propulsion.
00:13:21.240And sometimes things just won't work unless the time is right.
00:13:24.520And for whatever reason, and there are several reasons, it looks as though the time is right for our ideas to flourish.
00:13:31.280I mean, my God, we've been talking about this for the last year and a half on the show, I think, the radicalization of the Republican base, and it had to happen on their own schedule.
00:13:42.720Sometimes there's nothing you can do to hasten that except be prepared, continue to tend to your flock and prepare infrastructure and media for what happens next.
00:13:53.260But the majority of the Republican base has essentially adopted our message by and large.
00:13:59.040I'll just give you a few very quick points on that.
00:14:04.420So polls, data, I mentioned this Monmouth University poll.
00:14:08.620I guess I should go back to that very, very quickly with regards to January 6th.
00:14:12.400They asked a series of questions of the respondents of this poll.
00:14:27.640And on each of those questions, the answers given before and after the January 6th hearings didn't move beyond two or three percentage points, which means people already had their minds made up.
00:14:42.700Nobody was swayed by all of that propaganda and all of that media.
00:14:46.020People weren't swayed by, you know, the FBI.
00:14:49.960They're not going to be swayed by the FBI here with the Trump thing.
00:14:53.540Faith in the elections is gone with half the country.
00:15:08.080People say, oh, well, you were for the cops with BLM.
00:15:12.240And there's a lot of difference between local police force trying to keep true terrorists from burning down the city and these politicized and weaponized federal agencies.
00:15:22.980But look at where the Trump voters are now.
00:15:27.260Recent polls going back to just a couple of months after Biden all the way through a couple of months after Biden was inaugurated to just a few weeks ago.
00:15:37.580I'm citing polls from that entire spectrum.
00:15:40.860Eighty seven percent of Trump voters responded that they are concerned about anti-white discrimination.
00:16:30.440What caused the time and the circumstance to meet with our ideas?
00:16:33.880Well, the Ford riots, of course, the way that covid was mismanaged, the way that the system overlapped their hysterical push for so-called transgenderism and critical race theory.
00:16:49.940The fact that they saw for five years Trump being lambasted as a racist and a white supremacist and a neo-Nazi and all of that.
00:16:58.740I mean, people have just become numb to it to the point where you had in June in Houston, Texas, the state GOP of Texas.
00:17:06.700This isn't the state GOP of Connecticut or Rhode Island where they're an also ran and they don't compete.
00:17:11.860This is the state GOP of the largest Republican state in the country.
00:17:15.720They put in their platform, the Republican Party of Texas, that Joe Biden is an illegitimate president, that they want to repeal the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and they want to put secession on the ballot.
00:17:29.700And I tell you, if secession did get put on the ballot in Texas, you got a 50-50 toss as to whether or not that state walks or if they walk, others are going to walk.
00:17:37.220And it's very real now. It's not stuff we're talking about in our gatherings.
00:17:43.040It's stuff that Republican elected officials and state party leaders and the entire base is talking about.
00:17:49.200It is a totally different world than it was two years ago, much less when Trump descended the escalator.
00:17:54.380Yeah, exactly. And of course, we have, as we said, we have kind of them to thank for that to a certain extent.
00:18:00.020If they would have just toned down a bit or lowered the temperature a little bit, I think they could have gotten away with a lot of this.
00:18:08.600But due to the fact that they just got hubris and they just keep pushing, they don't know when to stop, and they're insane.
00:18:13.340They're crazy. The progress train never stops, and they hate us. They want us gone.
00:18:18.220And their vitriol is so strong that it's just like seeping out of every institution.
00:18:23.880Everything they touch has oozing of anti-whiteness and the hatred of conservatives and things like this.
00:18:29.380And so, of course, the reaction to that is like automatically like, well, I haven't done anything wrong.
00:18:37.260At this point, it seems to almost reach that like, all right, we're done with this.
00:18:41.260Like we're not doing this anymore. And it looks like a lot of people are sincerely like they want nothing to do with this.
00:18:47.480And that's great for us, as you said, of course, because we want these people to wake up.
00:18:52.100We want them to develop a white identity. They need to know that they're white.
00:18:55.380They need to start taking their own side, stand up for themselves, stand up for their own people, for their community, do what's right.
00:19:01.740And that's something that in the long term is very positive for us, right?
00:19:06.040So we can kind of thank them to a certain extent.
00:19:08.540And then the other side of me also feels like, you know, as they get so crazy and they and they kind of radicalize the other side to such a degree that if you have individual, as you said before, individuals that kind of crack or snap and go out and do dumb things.
00:19:25.140And we saw that allegedly. These are very hard things to actually confirm at this point.
00:19:28.640But like the Cincinnati, right, there was the guy there that walked out with a nail gun in Ohio.
00:19:33.600He apparently went after some FBI agents or a building or something.
00:19:37.260They apparently shot him dead. I haven't seen that much details about it since then.
00:19:40.760But you see what I'm saying. You see small acts like that.
00:19:44.120I think they're hoping for us to crack one by one so that they can basically give that will be the excuse for them to say, see, they're all terrorists.
00:19:52.940But at the end of the day, though, James, this is an impossible battle for them to win.
00:20:00.120No, they can't. And if you couldn't win against the Taliban, you're not going to win against tens of millions of people here on this continent that are well armed.
00:20:08.700And, you know, it's interesting what you just said.
00:20:10.540I'd like to talk about that, that situation that I believe happened at the FBI field office in Cincinnati, I believe it was.
00:20:15.940Now, these aren't our, they are our people in so much as they're disaffected and dissenting white people.
00:20:24.460But these aren't members of, you know, any group that we would associate with.
00:20:29.720I doubt that that guy had ever tuned into a red ice or political cesspool broadcast.
00:20:34.840These are MAGA voters. OK, these are Joe Sixpack.
00:20:37.100These are the people that are that are ready for the revolution.
00:20:39.400Now, we know better than to go out there and to to do foolhardy things like this.
00:20:42.900But there are people that have been abused for so long that, yes, you know, in fact, the violence doesn't surprise me.
00:20:49.940The fact that there's been so little of it, consider what the system has done to us, literally replacing our population.
00:20:57.040Yeah. Everything they've done to make us hate ourselves and to feel guilt and to feel ashamed.
00:21:02.520But it is the MAGA voters that are the ones going out and doing this.
00:21:06.400They were the ones that January 6th. They were the ones that went up to that field office.
00:21:10.900And again, it just it's because all of the discontent has been exacerbated over the course of the Trump years.
00:21:20.640It all started. And I think we may talk about this a little bit more in a moment.
00:21:25.120But but it really did all start when Trump announced his candidacy.
00:21:28.020And now you've got as of this week, of course, for the first time, I think, in six decades, seven decades,
00:21:34.920there is not one member of the Bush, Clinton or Cheney family that is an elected or appointed office.
00:21:41.080Donald Trump absolutely ended the Bush, Clinton and Cheney dynasties.
00:21:45.520Yeah. So but but it's gotten to the point now with everything that's happened since 2015,
00:21:51.220that national divorce and civil war trend on Twitter intermittently.
00:21:56.420I've seen it more than a couple of times now.
00:21:59.740The people aren't ready to do anything yet.
00:22:03.020I mean, you're not going to see, you know, a so-called civil war.
00:22:06.400And I don't know if it has to come. If there is a civil war, it's going to be fought doorstep to doorstep.
00:22:10.040There's not going to be lines of partitions in different states.
00:22:12.620It's going to be fought in the streets.
00:22:15.260But this is all still a major escalation.
00:23:39.200And there's no going back to normal, I don't think.
00:23:41.260History shows that this always ends one way.
00:23:45.140There will be an event that sorts all of this out for better or for worse.
00:23:49.280Are you concerned that there are deflections along the way that, let's say, it becomes more maybe QAnon than, like, white identitarian or something like that?
00:23:59.840Like, you know what I'm talking about?
00:24:00.920And there's some things in there which is like, you know, I don't know all of everything that QAnon is into or whatever.
00:24:05.460There's some things in there which are like, yeah, they're talking about global pedophile networks and stuff.
00:24:09.500And, hey, after Jeffrey Epstein, all that whole thing was revealed.
00:24:12.420Like, yeah, basically they're spot on on that issue.
00:24:14.600But are you concerned it might go down more of a clownish route than actually something very serious and more aligned, you know, along our path?
00:24:22.620Well, we've seen that throughout my career, and I've been doing this my entire adult life.
00:24:28.420You had the Tea Party movement, which was a manifestation of middle America's discontent.
00:24:35.420That's actually what caused me to write my book.
00:24:39.020It was a direct response to the Tea Party and their cuckery.
00:24:43.320But there are very few people like that within the Republican base.
00:24:46.240I think, yes, you may zig and you may zag a little bit, but I think it's still going to be going in our direction.
00:24:53.600There may be a couple of detours, but I think even with the detours, you may be taking the longer route around to the terminus, which is where they're going to find us and where we've always been.
00:25:04.540And I think, you know, obviously people are getting there quite quickly.
00:25:09.420And the only thing that's missing is the spark.
00:25:12.740You've got this political stress index ratcheting up to another high.
00:25:16.600Great Replacement, Secession, are mainstream ideas now.
00:25:54.540You have Ron DeSantis calling the black-on-white attack at the Christmas parade in Wisconsin exactly what it was, an anti-white attack.
00:26:03.800We just talked about Steve King saying a white man can't find justice in the system's court.
00:26:08.460But Steve King also said in response, I know you saw this, Steve King said in response to the Merrick Garland taking credit for being the one who authorized this raid.
00:26:22.940Steve King's first response to that was, Merrick Garland is a Jew.
00:26:25.740So this is, it all just goes to show where these people are going.
00:26:33.320And by the way, this was something that one of my guests said back in June.
00:26:39.200We were talking about how you have mainstream politicians and elected officials.
00:26:43.900Look, when Ron DeSantis, the sitting governor of Florida, one of the key states in the entire nation, is calling something an anti-white attack and saying things like that, using rhetoric like that, that cannot be discounted.
00:26:58.800But my guest really hit the nail on the head.
00:27:00.720He said, when Ron DeSantis says something like that, pat yourself on the back.
00:27:07.080If it weren't for the pressure he felt from his base and from, of course, people like you and Lana, those of us who are doing what we can with our institutions and organizations here in our orbit and in our universe, Ron DeSantis would get atrophy in a minute and go back to the wailing wall and going back to being a tax cut, you know, Israel, you know, Republican slavishly devoted to Israel.
00:28:09.560I don't care if Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump or any of these people we're talking about truly believe in what we're talking about or believe in it a little bit or a lot or not at all, so long as they do what we want them to do.
00:28:20.560And as you see the Republican base becoming more race conscious, I think you're going to see more of that.
00:29:48.700Remember, there was a pushback a while ago from like Christopher Rufo, maybe even like Carolyn Boryshensko, if you know who that is.
00:29:55.140They've done some good work and stuff like that, but they're like, they couldn't say, no, if we admit that it's anti-white, then that means that will strengthen white identity.
00:30:05.200And they're almost more afraid of that than there is of like white people actually being replaced or something like that.
00:30:10.560So there is that faction within that group, but I think you're right in the sense that if we can keep pushing them and making it unacceptable to have those views, if you're a conservative, that's very good for us, right?
00:30:23.220You just touched on another thing, my friend, that is remarkable.
00:30:26.780No more than what, three years ago, four years ago on the outside, you had these people.
00:30:33.240You mentioned Matt Walsh, and I generally agree with the lot that I see coming out of me.
00:30:37.900I don't know him and have never talked to him, but I see some tweets from time to time, and I think that's a good take.
00:30:42.120But especially if you look at people like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, they are saying things now.
00:30:49.960They are saying the exact same things now, using the exact same phrasing that they were calling people white supremacists for three years ago.
00:30:59.480I have never, it's almost word for word.
00:31:04.220If they had heard somebody say it at one of their town halls or programs, they would have kicked them out from being white supremacists.
00:32:02.700They're wise that the FBI and what they've been willing to do for the system over the last 40 years, they've cried.
00:32:13.760The system, all of its tentacles, has cried wolf too often about Trump.
00:32:18.500And his voters are going to see this latest incident as just merely a persecution.
00:32:22.680It really, I think, you know, the whole Trump years were maddening.
00:32:26.640I mean, he said a lot of things that we liked.
00:32:29.800But I think, you know, based upon his candidacy and the promise of his candidacy, I think to say the very least, we all had hoped for more.
00:32:36.900But I guess at the end of the day, we have to remember, he was just the president.
00:32:41.500And I don't know how much power that has in a system like this.
00:32:46.340But they're just going to see this persecution.
00:32:49.920And I think his image has really been restored in a way, even with people in our camp, only because he's going through all of this and it all just serves to bring more people into the fold.
00:33:08.800So even if people got disenchanted with him in his MAGA base, who maybe they weren't race realists back in the early years, if they got disenchanted with Trump, I think that this whole thing, being a whipping boy for the system, you know, you can relate to that.
00:34:34.120Because I think that at this point, it almost feels like the stuff that they accused Trump of doing or what they thought that he would be doing after the 2020 fraudulent election, like he's not going to hand over power.
00:35:13.860And you can certainly see, well, what is this, if not election fraud, to go down and raid the home of a former president unprecedented in American history to perhaps, I mean, I think they'll probably try to indict him.
00:35:31.640What if he goes to prison before he can run?
00:35:34.160What if he runs as president in absentia?
00:35:37.220I mean, you could just see this thing accelerating.
00:35:41.040We look at the acceleration since Biden went into the White House and through Trump's last year of his term, whether you had the Floyd riots.
00:35:50.940We have come so far since then, it's really almost impossible to imagine where we could be another year from now, depending on how this thing plays out.
00:36:00.960If they put him in jail, if they put him in prison, all bets are off.
00:36:07.000I mean, look at the rhetoric now, Henry.
00:36:08.420You have sitting congressmen saying, abolish the FBI.
00:43:09.200I'm a husband like you, Henrik, and I'm a father of three, and I don't want hard times and hardship for my children.
00:43:15.540I want to safeguard them and protect them.
00:43:18.400But yes, these agencies, as the threat becomes more real, that the whole thing is going to crumble and that the power structure may very well shift in our favor.
00:44:12.100It's easy to say, harder to walk through.
00:44:14.820We have all walked through a lot of discontent and a lot of trials.
00:44:20.260I mean, you know, de-platforming, I mean, it really pales in comparison to, I think, the sacrifice of blood and bone and what may be coming.
00:44:26.940But we have to remember we are not an individual.
00:44:33.000And my ultimate goal is not the well-being of myself, the well-being of our people, because that's the cause rather than ourselves and something eternal and something that will be around long after we're gone.
00:44:45.900So our time on this earth is short, and we want to make it as impactful and as filled with love for our people and for our families and for women as possible.
00:44:56.860But at the end of the day, we're all going to, nobody's going to get out of here alive.
00:45:01.020And we need to understand that there may be some very hard times ahead.
00:45:06.160And that's okay, too, if you look at it from the perspective of the collective.
00:45:29.960They use terms, different terms, but they mean the same thing.
00:45:34.540Sometimes they just say domestic violent extremists, DVE, there was the Project Veritas, a couple of other sources that had some of the leaked documents internally from the DHS where they talk about this, the heightened danger of these people.
00:45:48.060Sometimes they call them white nationalists, then the other, in the next breath, they call them white supremacists, and then in the next breath, they call them domestic terrorists, basically, right?
00:45:57.080And then, of course, the Justice Department as well.
00:45:59.320They've also created a unit focused on what they call domestic terrorism.
00:46:03.000And much of it, too, if you go through the language and look at the articles that describe what these new units are supposed to do, much of it is about, like, well, suspected domestic violent extremists.
00:46:15.520It's not even, you know, settled issues.
00:46:17.480It's like spying on people, trying to figure out what are they thinking about, what's going on in their brains?
00:46:23.340How do we know they're not dangerous and extremists?
00:46:26.100And, as you said, no society survives that kind of paranoia from their overlords, you know what I mean?
00:46:33.520But it just goes to show you've got a system and you've got institutions that are totally disconnected, not just disconnected from, at the very least, half of its people, half of the people that it's supposedly there to serve, but to see them actually as an enemy.
00:46:51.460I mean, this is an incredible time that we live in.
00:46:53.620And just another word to the wise, folks, by the way, yes, I mean, assume that they hear everything you say.
00:46:59.380Don't say anything in public or in the privacy of your own home that you wouldn't say to an agent or in a court of law.
00:47:04.520You've got to keep your nose clean on these things and not give them a reason.
00:47:10.140And this is something that has been said.
00:47:11.560If they can come for the former president of the United States and probably right now the frontrunner, if he runs, to be the next president of the United States, if they can take him out, they can come and take anybody out.
00:47:26.880But don't invite them to come by doing something stupid.
00:47:30.200But I still have to go back, Henrik, to the notion that I have that this is an incredible overplay and overreach by the system.
00:47:42.180If you had control over all of the institutions, if you had your hand on the lever of institutional power with the government and the media and the churches and academia, and keep on naming them, the enemy is in control of all of that.
00:48:00.200Why are they so threatened to the point now where they, more than anything, any of us could have ever done in 100 lifetimes, they have radicalized normal white people in a way that, again, I don't think we could have ever done even with our best and most effective efforts.
00:48:22.680Merrick Garland, if he and the Department of Injustice or the Department of Social Justice, whatever you want to call it,
00:48:29.260if they indict and prosecute Trump over anything that they say they find in Mar-a-Lago or even of January 6th itself, that's going to be perceived as a deep state plot.
00:48:40.620And that's the scenario that I think leads to maximum destabilization.
00:48:44.960There was another poll that came out that I believe said recently that up to, I don't know how exactly they discerned this, but up to 20 million Americans are ready to use violence.
00:49:00.860That's the guy that was up there in Cincinnati that got killed trying to do whatever he had planned at that FBI field office.
00:49:07.360Because you've got a lot of people out there that are a lot more radical than we are and willing to do things that, of course, we advise and encourage against.
00:49:25.720And it's just, again, what's going to be the spark?
00:49:28.800You need one John Brown, you need one bleeding Kansas-type legitimate insurrection when the most extreme people on both sides went at it before the main event.
00:49:40.740And that could happen really any time.
00:49:47.260But it's going to be your average Trump voter that's perhaps never been to one of our meetings or been to one of our sites.
00:49:53.240But these are the people, and God bless them, their heart's in the right place, but they don't understand what we understand about history and the way things work, that they don't need to go out there and do that.
00:50:03.020It's our job to get them there, as many of them as possible, and open their eyes and be there, you know, have the information there.
00:50:09.380And when they start asking questions, then we're there, right?
00:50:11.540But that's part of why they're censoring us as well.
00:50:13.180And it's another point of, like, why can Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk say these things and still be on all the main platforms?
00:50:37.440But for those of us who have toiled in the vineyards and put up with all of this bullshit, all of the attacks, all of the smears, all of the deplatforming, you know, I can't lie to you.
00:51:47.320These people wouldn't even know there was a path there without people like you who have been doing this for, like, almost two decades now, you know, and so many others.
00:51:54.400Jared Taylor, Kevin McDonald, all these great people out there, you know.
00:51:58.360I was doing it long enough to where I could still get invited on CNN.
00:52:02.840But back when I first went on in 2004, CNN was having me on to talk about explicitly racially tinged issues because I had a reputation as a talk radio host who was talking about these things but not coming on there like a nut.
00:52:17.320I mean, doing it in a way like you've always done it, doing it with facts and a certain articulation, I guess.
00:52:24.780But they would bring me on back in the mid-2000s.
00:52:27.900I was on to talk about self-segregation for an hour, if you can believe it, on the primetime show for an hour.
00:52:33.900Talk about self-segregation, talk about immigration, talk about the Knoxville horror, the black-on-white murder and rape in the Knoxville back in 2007.
00:52:42.680But always introduced as a conservative talk radio host.
00:52:47.480You know, we lived through where you could get on CNN to where you couldn't get on any of these platforms anymore to where you couldn't get on, but they would still talk about you.
00:52:54.780I can remember saying something favorable of Mike Pence.
00:53:01.660I think they had asked him to denounce David Duke in a vice presidential debate back in 2016.
00:53:07.060And I had said something about, you know, hey, it's good to see Mike Pence not taking debate there.
00:53:11.800And then it was on the CNN cry on, white supremacist James Edwards defends Mike Pence.
00:53:16.520Well, I'm a white supremacist in 2016, but I was a conservative in 2007 on the very same network.
00:53:21.420And I've never talked more or less about the issues in any other way than what I did.
00:53:26.180But, yeah, we've lived through all of that to the point now where you've got the Kirks and the people like that doing it.
00:53:31.640But, hey, you want to talk about rhetoric, and they're still being invited on, of course.
00:53:36.740What about what's going on in Hungary with Victor Orban?
00:53:39.960Do you want to take that in the next segment?
00:53:43.980We can take just a quick little break and then continue.