Victory? Arkansas AG Finds “Nothing Illegal With Whites-Only Community” - Aarvoll
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On this episode of the podcast, we have special guest Arlan on the show. Arlan is the host of the show Return to the Land, a show that covers the controversial topic of race and racism in America. In this episode, Arlan talks about his journey of uncovering racial discrimination in America, and how he was able to bring awareness to it.
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And eventually, it becomes the BBC, MSNBC, it becomes, you know, TMZ, like Arwall went
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But anyway, Arwall, thank you for returning to Red Ice.
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And I'm not saying it's because we had you on the show, but I'm just saying it was an
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I think it was a couple of weeks after you posted something on Twitter.
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You were like, basically, we have these Reddit posters and they're like examining Return to
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They posted the first big thread explaining what Return to the Land is.
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And really, it was just one guy who must have found my videos and took issue with what
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we were trying to do because we're white and we want to mind our own business.
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And he posted like 20 different threads on different subreddits calling on his readers
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to contact local government, the media, activist groups, civil rights groups, and apparently
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So at first, exactly as you say, it was smaller outlets.
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It ended up blowing up, I think, far more than it would have because it just so happened
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Sky News, based out of Australia, this team, though, is based out of their British department
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or whatnot, they found our stuff online and requested to come down and shoot a mini documentary.
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Now, I had seen this reporter's stuff, Tom Cheshire, and he covered some people with extreme
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political views and conspiracy theorists and stuff like that.
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And he seemed relatively moderate about it and fair.
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And I figured this would eventually happen just because of the nature of what we're doing.
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And I wanted that first coverage to be something relatively unbiased.
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So if you actually know, it was further in the past than that.
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In any case, they finally came out with the documentary after all of this stuff had exploded
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So already there were major articles like the Daily Mail and stuff like that.
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And now there's, you know, there's something compelling to put on the screen.
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And so, you know, ABC, local ABC, Fox, CNN, everyone starts clipping out of the Sky News
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Um, so I have lost track on the actual number of articles and videos and pieces that have
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And then if you spin off all of the reaction content, uh, that's huge on YouTube.
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I mean, I've seen videos with like close to a million views, just reacting.
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Mark Dice made a video reacting to some of the Sky News stuff and related content.
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And the interesting thing is that the public seems to be essentially on our side.
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If you look at the comments on the Sky News piece, that's the biggest one.
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I think it's like 1.5 million or something right now.
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Uh, it's like every single comment is like, why is this a problem?
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Uh, people deserve to be left alone, like stop bothering them.
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And there've been more encouraging developments.
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Uh, this is, you know, it's not over, but, uh, when Sky News came, they went down to Little
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Rock and met with the governor and asked for a statement from the governor.
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They also apparently told the Arkansas attorney general about our project.
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Um, and the attorney general at the time, Tim Griffin made a statement about us saying,
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you know, racial discrimination has no place in a free society.
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This raises all sorts of legal concerns, et cetera.
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Um, so he's been looking into us supposedly since then.
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So over a month, you know, they've been conducting this investigation and, uh, recently another
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reporter, I forget from which outlet, honestly, um, asked Griffin's office and representative
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said that so far their investigation has shown no illegal activity.
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So, uh, it's not over, but that's a very encouraging sign.
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If they've looked at our framework and everything that's on the books for us for over a month
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now, and they haven't found anything, that's, that's really, really good news.
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Here's a story here from the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette.
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Initial review finds nothing illegal in proposed quote unquote whites only community
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attorney general's office says, of course, as you said, that doesn't mean it's over or
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that this will stop anytime soon, obviously, but it's a good initial first step.
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And obviously this is the outcome you were, uh, wanting to have and stuff like that.
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How much, what do you think will happen next in terms of, of scrutiny from be that the
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AG or anyone else in Arkansas or maybe even federally?
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Well, uh, because Trump's still in office, I don't think the federal government is going
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to come down and try to override, uh, their decision.
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You know, if the Arkansas fair housing commission doesn't find anything wrong, the Arkansas AG
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has no problem with it with Trump in office, uh, with his administration up there, I just
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don't see it happening, you know, under a future administration, maybe it will, but then
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we'll have already kind of set this tacit precedent that we were investigated, you know, five years
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ago, four years ago, and nothing was found to be, um, you know, unlawful then.
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Um, I'm personally not expecting legal challenges.
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Now I think they're going to start fighting dirty in the media and they're going to try
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to just make us look bad because I think they're conscious that the public is actually
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So there's no telling what the media will do as far as, uh, the state of Arkansas.
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I mean, we're not the only group like this in Arkansas's history.
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We're the only group doing a full-time residential community.
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That's as open about being a European ancestry community, but there were, I mean, Harrison,
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Arkansas is known as the most racist town in America.
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They have billboards very often up there that say like white lives matter and things like
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So it's, you know, Arkansas is no stranger to these sentiments.
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Now, obviously these, I guess before I talk more about, um, the attention and stuff like
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that, how, how was it to talk to the media in general?
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We can do a separate, you know, we'd comment on that separately.
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Cause that was very, very interesting, but how was the sky news team that was there?
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And then how did that compare to with the actual edit?
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If you looked at the whole thing, they actually did.
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I mean, predictably they took selective clips that made us either look bad or look like
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Um, I had several debates with Tom when he was down here and he basically acknowledged
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that, you know, he needs to really examine why he believes it's not moral to exclude people
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Cause I made points like, you know, private individuals often own more land than this
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So why exactly is what we're doing worse because it's on the basis of race, race and other things,
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also culture and senses of value and things like that.
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But like why, including ancestry as a factor, why should that be immoral in itself?
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And he really couldn't give me a good justification.
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It's like, there are other clubs for other interest groups.
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You can have religious associations that are exclusive along the lines of belief.
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You can have associations for high IQ people too.
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You know, that's an immutable characteristic that you're just given at birth.
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And yet we can associate voluntarily on that basis.
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But when it comes to this one class, um, race, we're not allowed to, there are men's associations
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And gender is a protective class as well in many laws.
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So, um, you know, in, in, uh, what he clipped out, he tried to make it look like we didn't
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have nearly as comprehensive a rationale for what we're doing as we do in fact have.
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Um, it's not, I mean, I think he tried to make it more of a hit piece than it turned out to
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I think he doesn't necessarily understand American sensibilities, you know, being from
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They're a very authoritarian society and we're a very libertarian society in a lot of ways.
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And so Americans see this and they see us reasonably wanting to be left alone and they sympathize
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Um, yeah, I mean, England has just gone off the rails recently over the last couple of
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Uh, do you know if he cut it short because your replies were great in that one and he was
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trying indeed these different ways and he just felt like kind of, it didn't turn out
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What was your feeling when you did the interview with him there?
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Well, they said that it would be about 10 minutes and it was like 10 minutes.
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Uh, I could overhear before they started, he was like asking for information about who I
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He just walked in thinking this would be some group of hillbillies, you know, some low IQ
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So if he had prepared, you know, I'll have a rematch with him, I guess.
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And of course, uh, Daniel Concanon here pulled out a couple of, uh, articles as an example
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too, of how just supportive they all are of all these other communities that indeed do
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And, and I mean, granted, maybe, maybe they do have the plus of, of kind of hiding under
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As we know with the Jewish communities, very, very, um, you know, very, very insulated,
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In this kind of capacity, even in terms of what they do, they even have their own police force
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I mean, much far greater, um, you know, along in the process of creating something, which
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is basically like a small colony inside of, of American territory, essentially.
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And here you are, it's small in the startup process.
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That's not to, you know, diminish it, but I'm saying it's very, you know, it's just starting
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So it's not a lot of people at all, but it's fascinating.
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Like, you know, what, what if whites had what some of the other groups already have and
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have established here, they are basically like, you know, crap in their pants for, you
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know, some people it's like, please just like, can we just be left alone at least?
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And it's also shows a little bit, maybe of the shift in temperature, as you said, because
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a lot more support for this now, as opposed to maybe, I don't know, what would you say
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It's, it's been a, it's been a change in temperament.
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I think it was sometime around 2021, basically the aftermath of George Floyd.
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I think people gave the black community, the benefit of the doubt up until then.
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And then the reality of those riots just kind of sunk in.
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And then black crime, of course, skyrocketed since George Floyd and people are sick of it.
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Now we're not, you know, against black people in particular.
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I'm just explaining, you know, where did these sentiments come from?
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A lot of it was the aftermath of George Floyd and the black community was kind of central
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in undoing a lot of that goodwill that had been built up for really decades through intensive
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propaganda, you know, getting us to believe that people of color are like what we see on
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TV, they wear sweater vests and they're very well-spoken and they, they're basically just
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like white people, except, you know, they happen to have a different skin color.
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Any commercial, you know, you watch with non-whites, that's how they paint it.
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But no, the reality is we're different, you know, and I think those differences are becoming
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inescapable as the country becomes more diverse.
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More people have direct experience of non-white communities and a lot of people are having
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a hard time adjusting to the new state of the nation.
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Also with X being an open platform with social media opening up more generally, which they
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kind of have to, to compete now, you know, because it's not just the right wing.
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I mean, leftists were censored, neutral, middle of the row people were censored over COVID and
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They went to the free speech platforms and then they saw black on white violence.
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They saw like the reality of what's going on with race in America.
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So yeah, I mean, it's a different ball game today.
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And I think we have exactly that line that is easiest for us to defend.
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It's just, uh, we want to live on our own land and raise our own kids and maybe grow
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Uh, did you, did you want, did you want this attention?
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I mean, preferably, obviously again, would be being, being public as you are, right?
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That's obviously, but it's just a matter of time.
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One could argue of sorts, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it would kind of blow up in the way
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that it did and get the international attention that it's gotten.
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Uh, do you think it's, you know, kind of, to me, it feels like that just has to continuously
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And again, that's not to diminish the success of what you are doing, but I'm just saying,
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even if then the result of that is that it fails, that process alone is also very, very
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important to actually go through in order to demonstrate to the wider public that like,
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If we're white doing this compared to how they do it to other groups.
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And if we are defeated, we can point to all of these existing, uh, other communities,
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Jewish communities, Native American reservations, there are black communities.
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There's the black indigenous and people of color, intentional community council in the
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They list 30 different communities that are affiliated.
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So there are already dozens of race or ethnicity based communities in the U S, but none of those
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Uh, I think just because of that coincidence that we let sky news in thinking that would be
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Uh, and I thought, I mean, sky news, their reports were getting, you know, tens of thousands
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Uh, but because it was already becoming this huge story, they came out at the perfect time
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Um, so it's just kind of gone out of our hands.
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Um, and it's something that now is leading to a major national conversation.
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So yeah, if we're defeated, that will, I think, send a message to the American people.
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They're not going to like, and I don't know what comes next at that point, but it will
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You know, the backlash from white America, I think, uh, I don't like to even imagine what
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it would look like because they'll have told white Americans that you're not allowed to
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You know, that's been the implicit thing up until now.
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But if we can't even have a neighborhood to ourselves when it's private, you know, we build
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The fact that we've have, we've hired multiple lawyers, you know, we've done our due diligence.
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You know, we're doing exactly what the law says we're supposed to do.
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And if they shut us down still, then basically all hope is lost for cooperating with the
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I mean, maybe it would be, as you said, possibly then under a different administration or something,
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but that's, they would somehow think, well, that's kind of a loophole then let's just kind
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of patch that up or ensure in some way, again, technically then that would shut it down for
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other groups as well, I guess, that are doing similar things, whether they're white or not.
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But at the same time, we also know that we are held, obviously, as we've seen under a
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different standard or, you know, they see us differently when we do this.
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And it's, and it is quite telling and it's quite remarkable that they see this as such
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I think it says something about how the fact that they do, they do view immediately this
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Like you have to have, quote unquote, diversity.
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We have to, you know, if they wanted to, that goes so far that they put in section eight
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housing right next to you, if they could, you know what I mean?
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Like right next to the community just to prove that like you can't hold anyone out.
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So it shows you too how afraid they are of, of just the slightest organization among white
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people, because I think they, they, they fear the potential that that could lead to maybe
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All of a sudden it can actually be quite successful.
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People of European descent, um, you know, can, can maybe build in a different way, organize
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I'm not sure, but it shows the rest of the world.
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It shows everyone who's watching these types of things and follow this of, um, just, just
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If that's the right term for it, what, what do you, what's your sense of it?
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Most of white, the white identitarians I interact with online have no desire for violence, you
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And as far as like, in fact, that's why they do this.
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But, but when you look at history, obviously, you know, European civilization has produced
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the overwhelming majority of scientific innovations, new math, uh, you know, innovation in engineering,
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It's basically like human accomplishment, right?
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Uh, and if they allow us to do that for our own people, then our strategy that we've had
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as a group for thousands of years will again, kind of be let loose.
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See, we have competing, uh, competing groups rather that their strategy has been to operate
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as minority in the context of a multicultural world.
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So the way they practice their nepotism and organizing, it's resilient to a multicultural
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The way Europe operated, you know, we had a kind of pan, uh, European system in Catholic
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The medieval system allowed different nations to send their best and brightest to common
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A lot of that is the guidance of the church and their kind of, you know, late, uh, Hellenistic
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But it's also that I think what, uh, and Edward Dutton talks about this, what allowed the West
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to thrive is not that we have the highest average IQ, but that we have those traits that occasionally
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It's also, you know, an unwillingness to be thought controlled.
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Um, and this like hyper productive streak that Europeans have.
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Um, I just saw a meme on, uh, on X today saying someone who was in Africa for, for years or
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decades, you know, as a sociologist never found, uh, a black person with a hobby.
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And that's because, you know, in Europe, uh, people survived who had a strong desire to work.
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You had to work to live, you know, um, because of the winter is obviously.
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So, uh, if that strategy is let loose again, we're, we don't have to, you know, in our day
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to day lives, exert this kind of conscious nepotism that some near Eastern groups do practice.
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And yet there are these very strong tribal identities that have persisted through millennia
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Well, all of, they're very racist is how they do it.
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Like consciously, most of them have very strong feelings of in-group and they don't tolerate
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That's what allowed us as this kind of network of different nations to respect each other's
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differences, send our best and brightest together into this kind of, um, ideal academy, uh, with
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Now we could do the same even now with intentional communities.
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If we're living by ourselves, we produce that genius, the benefit flows to our communities
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and, you know, we can respect each other's differences.
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You know, they can control us by making our societies more like near Eastern societies.
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Um, but if we find a way of recreating what made Europe great, then in some sense they do
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have reason to fear, but then again, when Europe was the dominant force in the world, it was the
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most benevolent ruling power the world has ever seen.
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We lifted the entire earth up, brought about scientific progress and standards and hygiene
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and medicine, uh, and brought labor saving devices to countless millions, saved untold
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So, I mean, they have something to fear and that they won't dominate over us, but if Europeans
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are allowed to thrive and have our own communities like we used to, I think it'll be good for
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Uh, now there's, there's a number of things here.
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Um, first of all, yeah, as you said, select, it's selection pressure for basically, uh, preparation
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If you have many, many generations of that, you basically breed for those, uh, traits
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And so, uh, that's just part of why we're different.
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It's probably not the only thing, but that's probably a large contributing factor to the
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fact that we have maybe more of those traits than maybe some other groups do, right?
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The other thing is also as they subject us to this type of pressure, uh, and I'm not saying
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that this is some weird underhanded tactic by them in order to get us to awaken racially,
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but by every, but by every account of what they do, it's what, that's the only outcome
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of it, of us slowly beginning to realize that what else, well, what can we do there?
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They're saying, you can't have these communities.
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Let's go over here and do it over here ourselves then.
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And even that then that comes under the scrutiny.
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So it's like, if they're fearing a, a, I guess a, a kind of a racial awakening within
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people of European descent, they're a large contributing factor to it.
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Yeah, I, I thought that actually, um, around the 2016 election, um, I started thinking like,
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is, is Hillary Clinton like a crypto white supremacist?
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It's like really reflecting on the impacts of their policies or like the migrant crisis
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It's like, whoever's letting this happen so fast and so hard.
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Like, are they trying to get us to, you know, go full 1933 or what?
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Secretly, they're still controlling things behind the scenes.
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I, I just think, I just don't think they can help themselves.
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They don't care about, they haven't maybe thought through the outcome of it.
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They just think they have this, their boot, so to speak, on our necks is now so, uh, complete,
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uh, if that's the right term for it, that they just kind of, let's just kind of finish
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Let's just force diversity into every single white community, into every neighborhood,
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Let not them, uh, have any type of freedom of association or, or being able to organize
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It kind of, you know, these things blend or whatever, but the, the overarching theme of,
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Um, and I, I was trying to find if he personally had done any kind of statement on the whole
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But obviously, I mean, largely within the community from organizations such as the ADL,
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They're all kind of like staunch, obviously, supporters of Israel.
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Well, they, he did an interview with Visigrad 24, Greenblatt, that is, which was kind of
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We played some clips from that and, and he's basically Visigrad, the host there.
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Like, it's almost like he's trying to like get him to stop because like, this is not a
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And, and, and so many people are obviously, you know, uh, can see this and, and point this
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And it was almost like he couldn't help himself, right?
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But I want to put it in that context of like, here they are where Greenblatt has talked about
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For the Jewish people, they have more or less an ethno state.
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Now they of course have some migrant groups or whatnot, but they're largely considered
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There's checkpoints for Palestinians that work for Israelis when they have to go in and,
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you know, go from the Gaza Strip or wherever, wherever they are into Israeli territory.
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Um, and, and, and right now they're engaged in a, in a campaign where they're, they're
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bombing schools and women and children and they're leveling, you know, buildings.
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There was some clips out of Gaza recently just showing that it just, you know, we have to
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resort to this of showing here's, here's your ethno state, you who have a problem with white
00:31:49.800
Over like a few whites breaking off and doing their own thing while you actually are, have
00:31:55.840
an ethno state that is now actively engaged in a starvation and genocidal campaign in,
00:32:04.840
He said even, even, uh, non-religious Jews, he said, uh, speaking almost on behalf of Jews,
00:32:11.200
like you, every Jew, even if they're reform or orthodox or, you know, atheist Jew, they
00:32:18.520
We all, this, this is our, this is our stuff, right?
00:32:28.920
I'm not trying to say that, you know, somehow they're, um, they're just not smart enough
00:32:35.700
But I think it should be pointed out and continually to be pointed out.
00:32:38.340
There's like, you have to bring up things like, like the TMZ guy did from like almost
00:32:42.640
a hundred years ago of like, you know, bringing KKK into this, that somehow this is hurting
00:32:47.320
black people that were like, well, look at what you, your guys are doing right now in
00:32:55.100
I mean, the people in Israel and just Jews around the world are some of the most brainwashed
00:33:05.240
They're told that they've been perpetual victims, that they have to fear these homogenous societies
00:33:11.940
or that they have to fear, you know, terrorism for the Palestinians.
00:33:17.060
They're taught a very one-sided version of history.
00:33:20.280
Um, they're, I mean, that's why all of these Holocaust museums exist.
00:33:26.800
You know, it's also for that, but it's also for these Jews who they it's because it's
00:33:33.760
indoctrinated so early, they cannot think rationally about the impact of their own action because
00:33:40.740
in their mind, they're always the victim and never the perpetrator.
00:33:46.600
109 countries, but it's always someone else's fault.
00:33:50.100
Um, I mean, when you're like four or five years old, you're told that Santa exists and
00:33:56.140
you believe that for a long time, you know, longer than reason usually suggests until
00:34:01.640
you finally kind of figure it out because that's too much of a stretch, but that's the
00:34:05.480
age that, you know, we're taught about the Holocaust and Jews are taught these narratives
00:34:10.280
about, um, them being this kind of perennial persecuted minority that does nothing wrong.
00:34:17.400
Um, so it's just, it's very deeply ingrained and the only way to address it is education,
00:34:23.420
education, but education on certain topics, like the core narratives that, that shape their
00:34:32.100
And, and even today, you know, X is very open platform, but, uh, there are certain things
00:34:42.140
Um, what was the other thing I was thinking about?
00:34:43.820
Well, again, I, I don't think, you know, that they're taught from a very young age,
00:34:49.740
as you said as well, you know, that everyone's out to get them, there's an interesting documentary
00:34:53.280
called defamation that kind of show this, they took them to their, uh, to Auschwitz
00:34:57.540
and other, uh, you know, concentration camps in Poland primarily and showed all this, you
00:35:02.220
know, they, they went through this emotional, you know, kind of programming, like everyone's
00:35:07.020
out to get you if you don't do this, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:08.920
We, you know, the world is out to get you and we have to kind of do this.
00:35:11.740
So they're very strong ethnocentric identity tied around kind of trauma, I guess, to a certain
00:35:17.260
extent, um, which, which I guess is, you know, okay, that's what, that's what, that's how
00:35:22.960
But again, we have to compare that to like, you know, how then they, they are going on
00:35:26.540
to, to drive the majority of many organizations.
00:35:29.680
Greenblatt, going back to that interview as well, he did with Visegrad said that he was very
00:35:32.660
proud over how many, you know, that was it the white rights council that they had helped
00:35:37.040
to shut down and other part, you know, groups in the South and things like this, that
00:35:40.280
like at every opportunity where they see a threat, you know, by people of European
00:35:45.220
descent doing anything like this, there they are shutting it down and piggybacking it on
00:35:49.540
like, well, we're here to stand up for black people when this is an exclusive, you know,
00:35:52.880
kind of Jewish ethnocentric organization, essentially that's there to design, design and set up to
00:35:58.100
stand up for them and doing what they're doing.
00:36:01.360
He said like, well, I'm kind of fine with them doing what they do as long as it doesn't
00:36:06.820
Well, we now find ourselves in a situation where many of these groups have like advocated for
00:36:12.140
It might not be directly ADL, but in some cases they stand up for refugees, they do the
00:36:16.440
same talking points about DEI and stuff like that.
00:36:19.180
Well, how do you think white people feel, right?
00:36:20.840
And it's this inability then to understand it's like, well, you're due, now you're trampling
00:36:24.800
on us and our interest in the very same way that you said you can't tolerate for your
00:36:29.260
It's what I call it, irreconcilable differences, right?
00:36:32.960
Like there's no way of, I think, of mediating this or trying to like somehow come to some kind
00:36:39.280
Yeah, I think the fact that the world is turning against Israel and to some extent turning
00:36:46.220
against the Jewish community means that this is actually a battle, in my opinion, that can
00:36:51.600
be won through reason and dialogue and education because we have the truth on our side and there
00:37:00.020
And I think this case is a special one where there are so many Jewish communities and then
00:37:06.540
there are Jewish groups that want our heads, you know, that want to sick every possible
00:37:11.860
government agency, civil rights group, and even like mobs of violent people against us.
00:37:18.640
We've seen, unfortunately, several threats of violence just in the last few days.
00:37:27.800
But yeah, I think highlighting those double standards, continuing the work that we have
00:37:33.380
been doing to show, you know, what Israeli influence has looked like in the United States
00:37:39.820
and who's been behind these policies that have altered our demographics and our way of life
00:37:46.560
and impacted different sectors of the economy, taking us away from kind of a wholesome, domestic-focused
00:37:54.340
manufacturing base like we used to be that made us great and kind of giving over our heartland
00:38:07.160
So we basically just have to keep going and I'm trying to create one vector, really, for
00:38:14.980
this argument that has a very fine edge because it's finally that thing like, okay, well, will
00:38:21.020
you even let us be left alone in rural communities?
00:38:38.920
Are we at a point now where they are forced to grant us at least some level of maybe like
00:38:52.880
You know, Brontage Pervert, Curtis Yarvin, these people are, I think, insiders effectively
00:39:00.700
in the teal network and they're very, you know, pro-Zionist, pro-Jewish, but they're also coming
00:39:08.940
up with talking points in our direction as well.
00:39:13.520
I think, you know, Yarvin was some kind of, you know, contingency or something like if
00:39:20.520
white nationalist sentiments rose to a certain pitch, then they could always co-opt it because
00:39:25.580
this was this thought leader in these originally like dark enlightenment spaces, I guess, or
00:39:32.440
So they've been planning for something like this for quite some time, but we see with
00:39:38.280
the recent, you know, advertisements talking about how great European genetics are on behalf
00:39:47.800
Yeah, it's really, it's pretty obvious what they're trying to do and they will make concessions.
00:39:53.720
They'll try to make those concessions ultimately meaningless while in the background, their machine
00:40:01.760
And what we have to do is say, Hey, thank you for those concessions, but here's the real
00:40:12.220
Are they allowed to have communities like keep pushing, uh, where substantive change can be
00:40:17.920
But I mean, does it hurt to celebrate like Sydney Sweeney is a hot blonde on TV again, and we're
00:40:30.840
I'm glad you brought it up because it was just something I was like, you know, as you're
00:40:33.780
as, as we're seeing this, it's, it shows that it's moving in the right direction, but
00:40:39.100
then at the same time as, and it was the same thing here, right?
00:40:42.500
With the company behind this, uh, American Eagle, uh, Outfitters, I believe it was, right?
00:40:49.220
Uh, I think it was Devin Stack had a good post on this too, right?
00:40:52.080
They, they're so, they even have their own Talmud, apparently the, uh, the, the current CEO,
00:40:59.000
So it's this kind of like a, uh, it's a plastic fake, here you go here.
00:41:07.920
As you know, here's, it's served with a side of jeans or here's go back and now support
00:41:14.040
While this current CEO, uh, he, he's not just the current CEO of Dunkin' Donuts, but he's
00:41:20.280
And, you know, all these same programs that, that has ultimately led us partially to the
00:41:25.680
So it's almost like this, they continue to undermine us kind of, you know, behind the scenes
00:41:33.800
So I see that concession being made, which is very interesting, which I guess is part of
00:41:38.140
That's like, okay, if you can't defeat them, join them and kind of redirect it.
00:41:41.920
So we'll, it'd be very, very interesting to see.
00:41:45.080
Cause I think last time you were on the show, right?
00:41:46.660
I did bring up this other intentional community, the Praxis group, for example, which comes
00:41:54.000
It's a very libertarian type of thing, but it's again, framed from that, like kind of
00:41:57.320
very, the, the, the rhetoric is like pro-Western.
00:42:00.880
It has those, what, what people call the schizo edits with like, you know, the, the Western
00:42:08.920
If you actually feel like a, a displaced white person, if you feel disenfranchised, here
00:42:16.020
Uh, which of course is always the danger, but that doesn't mean we can't, you know, you
00:42:21.920
You encourage it, but you have to like, just make sure that you both point it out, but then
00:42:25.880
also show you that like, here's, here's the real deal.
00:42:31.960
They don't have that underhanded way of doing it, but I assume, and I'm going, I'm suspecting
00:42:36.580
here that we will see a lot more of this moving forward.
00:42:40.840
And they'll come up with new figures trying to enter into our scene and co-opt the discourse,
00:42:48.980
The thing is like, these people aren't really that creative.
00:42:53.220
What gave them an advantage is that they have a long, long history of refining their playbook,
00:43:02.140
You know, we can recognize their controlled opposition easily.
00:43:05.400
Now, and even a few years ago we fell for it, you know, people like bronze age pervert
00:43:11.220
Yarvin, like I remember a period of time where I just thought they were some other content
00:43:15.480
creators, but we can see through it basically right away now.
00:43:19.940
So when they try to bring, trot out some new figure, um, and make that big new thing on
00:43:25.960
the right, it'll probably be some, you know, attractive blonde or something like that.
00:43:29.760
No offense to, you know, some of the, the genuine attractive blonde, like your wife, you
00:43:35.000
know, out there who, um, actually do have our best interest at heart.
00:43:40.740
So this is not like an anti-blonde scene, but they're going to try.
00:43:47.640
If you can't, if you can't beat them, if you can't defeat them, because they've tried,
00:43:53.300
And in fact, the harder they push, the stronger we do get, just like some of those ethnic groups
00:43:58.420
You have an external threat that's class, it's like one-on-one psychology, right?
00:44:01.760
If you want to strengthen a community, put pressure on it.
00:44:08.500
He said, was it a ghettoization, this is the ghettoization of whites or something like
00:44:13.500
Do you remember his comments about the segment?
00:44:21.440
Um, so what is, is there a, is there a genuine critique in that?
00:44:26.860
Like that, again, he's not in good faith, obviously, as we know now, but let's assume
00:44:33.920
There's like, um, yeah, we should, you know, we've been over this before, but there's new
00:44:38.960
people tuning in all the time and we have to reiterate some of this, but like, no, we
00:44:42.280
should fight for the, the, you know, the levels, levers of power.
00:44:45.380
We should, uh, you go into the institutions, blah, blah, blah.
00:44:50.760
Is it, is that just too, this is just too big of a machine.
00:44:54.680
Or maybe you have a point of view where it's like, well, that's great.
00:44:57.280
And people should, but that's not what we're doing here.
00:45:02.600
I mean, only a small minority of us can actually get in there in key political positions or in
00:45:09.500
the big industries that are controlled by them.
00:45:12.400
And most of us will be gatekept out, you know, fortune 500 companies, what percent of
00:45:18.600
new hires in the last few years were white males, like 5%, if that, and then to actually make
00:45:25.100
it into those companies, you're going to have to toe the line and espouse the same kind
00:45:31.160
of DEI, uh, ideology that all of these big companies promote.
00:45:35.920
So I think, uh, you'd have to be a certain type of person, both in terms of aptitude abilities,
00:45:42.680
but also disposition where you're comfortable lying for prolonged periods of time.
00:45:47.040
And, you know, there's going to be attrition there and we'll lose our good people, some of
00:45:53.580
If they just go join the system, you know, you want to stay in the cities fine.
00:45:58.200
You're going to be living in a diverse area, putting your money into these other communities,
00:46:04.140
not our community, and you're going to be working for the enemy.
00:46:07.260
Um, if you're okay with that, if you're really resilient enough, yes, we can benefit in some
00:46:12.660
ways for some of our, from some of our people being in there.
00:46:15.780
But the vast majority of us, I mean, just frankly, we don't, it's a very competitive
00:46:23.920
Like most of us, frankly, don't have the IQ and that's fine.
00:46:27.140
You know, you don't have to have a high IQ to celebrate your people and benefit your
00:46:31.820
people and build up communities and have wholesome families.
00:46:34.740
Like the point of life is raising your family and enjoying your, your people.
00:46:41.820
And, you know, having those communal experiences where we get to know each other and through
00:46:47.600
each other, who we are and like, you know, the spiritual side of life.
00:46:50.700
It's not about, I'm going to become a millionaire and I'm going to do all these things that get
00:46:55.300
me reputation and, and status, um, so that I can buy a Tesla and drive around and, you know,
00:47:03.600
Um, so the majority of us don't have those abilities, aptitudes.
00:47:08.140
It's not our personality type and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of how we
00:47:13.600
can organize all those people because too many of us have been afraid, you know, we've
00:47:17.800
been afraid of losing opportunities, but we can create opportunities for each other.
00:47:24.700
Indians come in, they, uh, become the HR manager at a company.
00:47:30.660
They bring in their cousins, uh, other ethnic groups do this.
00:47:34.020
Mexicans come in, they start a construction business.
00:47:36.500
They bring in their cousins from Mexico and they outbid, uh, all their competitors.
00:47:41.500
They dominate the area and then they jack up prices.
00:47:46.820
We can't have one big corporation that hires only whites.
00:47:50.340
Obviously that's illegal, but we can encourage each other to start small businesses where,
00:47:56.720
you know, up to like six employees, you can basically hire who you want and the government's
00:48:01.840
Now, if we confederate a bunch of small businesses and help each other develop and help each other
00:48:06.860
with business skills, then we can get into industries that otherwise are dominated by big
00:48:17.200
You know, we need the foundation of the supply chain, agriculture, mining, construction, you
00:48:23.360
know, just the basic stuff is actually enough for us to become self-sustaining.
00:48:27.460
You have to look at not just, you know, what income can you get, but how can you cut your
00:48:32.660
The people who build wealth don't just earn a lot of money.
00:48:39.200
And we as a community for a long time have been wasting our money, living in expensive
00:48:43.880
suburbs and being concerned with status and things like that.
00:48:46.900
Um, and yeah, there are very creative ways, I think of collectivizing, lifting up our youth,
00:48:55.100
educating our youth, incentivizing, um, entrepreneurship and teaching those skills.
00:49:03.040
And I think it doesn't even have to be like full-time residence communities immediately.
00:49:06.780
We just need spaces where we can congregate and get to know each other and trust each other
00:49:12.700
so that then you can start working with each other.
00:49:14.680
Like even activist groups like Patriot Front, you know, ostensibly they exist to march down
00:49:20.460
the street and say chance and stuff like that and be provocative.
00:49:26.620
But on the other hand, because they meet up, they get to know each other.
00:49:32.500
They are able to trust one another and networking occurs just naturally once you bring people
00:49:39.160
So return to the land is about creating those common spaces in a legally defensible way that's
00:49:46.680
Um, and you know, it's, it's not running away when we're trying to create a coordinated network
00:49:52.840
with resilient logistical support for all sorts of different activities across the country.
00:49:59.600
That's a very different thing from running away to the woods.
00:50:04.000
I think you did reply to BAP as well as like, well, essentially it's too, totally to tell
00:50:08.800
let's, let's see if the, you know, if they are successful basically in shutting this
00:50:16.180
You can't just, uh, you know, you can, you can't just go from, from, from nothing to all
00:50:22.340
And when we effectively are locked out, well, what are you forced to do?
00:50:25.220
So this becomes one focal point or one area where you can just start doing something.
00:50:30.700
And from that, as you said, you can grow a number in a number of different directions,
00:50:34.860
uh, with different, different people that, uh, you know, have different skills or whatever
00:50:39.660
their wheelhouse is and pool resources, support each other, begin at a point where you basically
00:50:48.620
So yes, we're, as we said, you know, in the first, uh, full kind of interview we did with
00:50:52.800
you, uh, back in June, it was the same thing there, right?
00:50:55.600
That we have this disadvantage now where we kind of have to, you know, we have to resort to creating
00:51:01.780
You know, in other words, that trust isn't there.
00:51:03.660
We don't know everyone who's involved in all these things, but over time, that's how you
00:51:09.520
And hopefully, I mean, I see this as a, as a long-term thing.
00:51:12.860
This is just not something that's going to, you know, happen tomorrow.
00:51:15.340
This is something that's going to build hopefully over generations.
00:51:19.300
Our grandkids and their kids can like enjoy hopefully some of the things that, what was the type of
00:51:23.980
things that you guys, what you guys are doing with the return of the land, um, and something
00:51:28.520
for them to be part of, grow up with, and hopefully wanting to continue to be a part of as we move
00:51:34.400
Because I, you know, again, I try, I connect these dots.
00:51:38.980
I'm trying to figure out like, well, where is this going?
00:51:41.440
What kind of world is this for my children, right?
00:51:49.700
Like, we don't have the institutional power to change the direction of the system.
00:51:55.860
We don't have the networking, we don't have the know-how, we don't have the skill, we
00:52:00.660
This is going to continue to play out either with us or without us, right?
00:52:05.640
And so this is one of the best things I think we can do, um, to just start building that
00:52:11.560
And I know many other organizations that are looking at this from that perspective as well,
00:52:15.640
even though if they don't, might not be, you know, buying properties and trying to
00:52:19.160
create, you know, an intentional community right away.
00:52:21.600
But at the, at the end result of that, that might be something that also they engage in.
00:52:27.360
Yeah, I'm aware of many networks out there, uh, some farther along than others that share
00:52:34.420
similar ambitions and many of them are going under the radar.
00:52:37.340
And I think that's smart and prudent, but somebody has to be out there, you know, attracting
00:52:42.320
the attention because this is converting people.
00:52:46.720
I mean, I said before we started, we have hundreds of people waiting to be interviewed
00:52:52.720
Um, so we can do things on a scale that no one has seen before, you know, not only can
00:52:58.480
we create regional centers and communal centers, uh, community centers rather, but we can create,
00:53:03.880
you know, media centers, for example, or, you know, big conference centers where people
00:53:09.620
from all over the country can congregate and collaborate on projects that we just haven't operated at
00:53:16.640
We've had things like American Renaissance, great conference.
00:53:19.880
It's worth going to, but you know, it's a few hundred people.
00:53:22.800
We, if we have like 600 acres with the adequate infrastructure, we could get thousands of our
00:53:30.500
people together in a private secure setting and begin organizing things like media projects.
00:53:39.940
We could, you know, create proper schools and, and, uh, just art of all kinds, um, art, science.
00:53:49.200
Once we get our people together, the problem is that we're kind of, uh, well, we're hard to
00:53:55.300
like organize because a lot of us being, uh, whether it's like the Germanic part or whatever
00:54:01.540
it is in European, uh, heritage, we like, you know, we, we like our own opinion and we
00:54:09.400
like arguing and we like kind of, you know, forming these little tribes, like the Germanic
00:54:13.700
tribes were at war with each other for eons, right?
00:54:17.660
Uh, until very recently they finally formed a state.
00:54:21.260
Uh, and even then, like it was just more European states fighting each other.
00:54:25.760
It's, we're not the most violent people, but we, we really, uh, we're factious.
00:54:31.600
You know, we, we like, we like going our own way and being independent.
00:54:35.540
And so we need a framework that allows that independence, but also where we congregate
00:54:40.420
at least occasionally to do things that are really impressive.
00:54:43.660
You know, we could do things like having an orchestra, having a ballet company, that stuff
00:54:51.700
Well, I mean, we have thousands of people on our side or when we start organizing,
00:54:56.540
um, on the ground, small businesses, construction, things like that.
00:55:04.020
Like I've heard from people who are into some of these local industries and they're starting
00:55:10.280
to feel our way, but there hasn't been an option for them.
00:55:14.880
And a lot of like most of America and where a lot of the wealth and power still is, is in
00:55:20.640
those old, you know, farming families and people like that.
00:55:24.200
They're not getting their politics and their worldview from the internet.
00:55:30.520
And so once we have a presence in the area and we are a center of power, they're not as
00:55:36.200
like isolated individuals with our own opinions.
00:55:38.880
And we spend too much time online, but we have community centers, we have campgrounds, we have
00:55:43.820
real asset, like social assets where we can help sheriffs get elected.
00:55:51.820
Um, we can get our own people put on city councils and, uh, eventually, you know, we have lawyers
00:56:00.440
Um, then progress can be made with the existing kind of heartland elite who has been looked
00:56:11.000
Um, at least in this part of the country, I can't speak for how it is everywhere, but
00:56:14.900
most of the, the major businesses, it's families who have been here for generations and people
00:56:24.000
And that's hard to break into the only way I think is by forming those physical roots
00:56:30.160
with physical communities where you integrate into the local area.
00:56:33.540
You know, we shouldn't all make a big, uh, uh, you know, uh, fuss on the scene, like return
00:56:40.100
to the land has, um, somebody has to do it, but most return to the land communities should,
00:56:45.900
you shouldn't recognize that it's a return to the land community.
00:56:48.720
It should be word of mouth, but benefiting from return to the lands, legal framework,
00:56:56.020
Um, cause I, as I've said many times, there's a lot of ways to mess this up.
00:56:59.620
So we need the kind of specialization in organizing things like this, but then particular projects,
00:57:05.520
we also want the benefit of anonymity and it's totally possible.
00:57:09.460
You won't show up on plat maps and yet you'll have your space.
00:57:13.560
You'll, you'll see it from the highway and you'll see, oh, there's a new development there.
00:57:17.920
You'll have no idea what's ultimately behind it.
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Until you get brought in because now they're in your community and they're talking to you,
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they're meeting you in the grocery store and, and then they invite you over for a barbecue
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Obviously the, the idea that some, you know, we needed, we need the public part cause you
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And I think it's better to do that early on, right.
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As opposed to it's actually growing and expanding into something and then it's attacked.
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Like now it's like tested early in the process.
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So let's see kind of how, well, how this holds up, how the authorities, you know, the legal system reacts and what they do, whatever,
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Uh, but so far it seems very good and it seems like it's, you know, holding up.
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And we had the statement from the, uh, Arkansas AG, uh, you know, office there regarding the fact that they cannot find anything that's illegal with this.
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And again, you've been, you did that great in the interview with the TMZ guy there as well as like, he was like, well, you, you're skirting federal laws.
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Like, no, we're, we're, we're doing this the legal way.
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That's why also you can be and should be in this case here, uh, public doesn't mean everyone has to be, but I'm saying then you get that testing.
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Is, is there, are you concerned with growth too quickly as part of something like this when the attention does come in?
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Like you get a strike while the iron is hot, but then at the same time, now it can easily kind of get, I guess, not out of hand, but like you want to grow and you want to jump on that opportunity.
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But as most things do, if they grow too fast and too tall, too, too fast and, you know, uh, it's easier for them to crumble over.
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Is this anything you're thinking about as, as all this, you have so many other things to think about and the, the media coverage and stuff, but I'm sure you're thinking of this in the back, in the back of your head as well.
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Um, and we've been planning for this, preparing for this.
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Um, so, I mean, luckily the nature of our organization isn't tall.
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It's wide, you know, the PMA doesn't do very much.
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You know, uh, it simply helps other groups organize their own communities and they'll form their own, uh, board of managers, elect their own president.
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Um, of course we'll help because we've been at this for a little while.
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Not only, you know, the board of RTTL has been managing this project for almost two years now, but also Peter, our secretary and the chief author of our legal framework, he was running a community in South America for 10 years.
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So it's not, and also now we have lawyers on our side who have looked into this framework in depth.
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We've spent many thousands of dollars now and we have a big budget that we're still tapping into, uh, to refine that framework.
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So, you know, we have that expertise now that we can apply and, uh, new people, there's a lot of really, you know, you'd be surprised sometimes by the caliber of person that applies for return to the land.
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It's people with resources, people with serious skills, serious corporate backgrounds.
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Um, so we have, I think enough human capital and, uh, uh, a wide enough base in the way that we've designed ourselves to scale that it shouldn't be, uh, really dependent on one failure point.
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I mean, worst case scenario, our private association is deemed unlawful.
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We start a new association with a new structure that's more resilient.
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And then all of these communities federate under it instead, you know?
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So, so yeah, I mean, we, we've thought about ways.
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And it's funny too, you know, it's the footage shows here, right?
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But it's like, there's so many other components to this where the media hones in on just, you know, race.
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If even that, just skin color, not even the signs of race, right?
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And, you know, the ability to do stuff and building things together and creating these communities.
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And, and, and they just, they can, they can only focus on that part alone, essentially.
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Uh, we got, uh, big mad lad 14 says, I love the idea.
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It would be so nice to have white places to go to meet, have events, play sports, work out and network.
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Well, but maybe one day there will be, or close to your city, perhaps.
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Um, there's got to be a willingness to relocate and not everyone, of course, can do that.
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But if people are in the spot where they can, they should.
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There's a lot of these around the, this country.
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There's other ones in Europe that are doing similar things, if not directly like this, um,
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forming associations and rebuilding these bonds again, that have been lost through globalization
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I really loved his idea of forming our own communities.
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I love to do that one day if I move out to CDA.
01:02:36.820
Let's go back to the, uh, kind of where we started here today with the, in terms of
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the kind of, cause I titled the, the segment here today, uh, you know, victory question
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Is it, is it too early to celebrate, but this is a good start.
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And I think we should, where did the piece go here?
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It is, uh, the initial review finds nothing illegal, uh, regarding this.
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And, uh, they might continue, of course, as we said, and start to look into this further
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We can't trust these people to be fair when it comes to the law.
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In some cases, there are examples where they kind of take the whole into account and say,
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So therefore we decide that this, you know, we got to shut this and that down or whatever.
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Um, is there anything else you, you're thinking about in, in terms of that, or do you, do you
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feel pretty, pretty confident about this and the fact that it can continue to move forward?
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Uh, any concerns you have when it comes to this?
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Um, I don't expect them to find anything illegal.
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I don't really expect anything in the state of Arkansas, um, to lead to some fine or lawsuit.
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I mean, we probably will be sued by some entity or other, um, and that'll be very inconvenient.
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Um, but as far as, you know, the government itself acting against us, even if they did the
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consequences, as far as we've researched would be affordable enough.
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You know, we're talking like $15,000 fines for first offenses of, uh, for the fair housing
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It's not like they're going to just take everything we have and, and disband, uh, absolutely everything.
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We might, if we were, uh, deemed unlawful because, you know, they might say we're not a private
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Um, they might force us to restructure or like really the worst case scenario for us here with
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this community is they might force a subdivision of the land, you know, so that we're all private
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owners and the whole, the whole thing is, uh, reset.
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We'll go back to the drawing board and we'll try to figure out another way of doing this.
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But also in the meantime, it'll have sparked national outrage.
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You know, some people will celebrate and I think millions of people will really have a
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Um, for some of the history on this, you know, when the civil rights act passed, when the fair
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housing act passed, there were dozens of groups that tried to restructure as private associations
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because there are those exemptions in the civil rights act and the fair housing act for private,
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uh, interactions to be based on whatever discriminatory, uh, discriminatory criteria.
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These, the people believe are appropriate or just, um, we are free as citizens in the private
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So a lot of organizations tried to restructure and what the courts did was essentially for the
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most part, strike down their attempts by saying, this isn't a bonafide private association for this
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So there's this list of reasons now, uh, why an association can be deprived a private status
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and effectively be brought into the public domain and therefore subject to the full letter of the
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law of the civil rights act and fair housing act.
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So we are conscious of that case law and I mean, we've just, we found this crazy loophole
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It's called following the law and looking at, uh, all of these Supreme court rulings through
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history and not violating what the courts have deemed unlawful.
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Um, so, I mean, we've, we've done as, as much of a preparation here as we can for what may
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Um, I'm very hopeful, but, uh, like, you know, your question mark indicates it's far
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Jack, the Ripper or the Crip, the Cripper actually it is says, uh, the goal of the, I'll go back
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The, uh, the goal of these pro white ads is to trick leftist into thinking that whites were
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If whites are in charge and Israel is just a white supremacist state, Jews are off the
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Also, thanks to, uh, bit the butcher for gifting, uh, five subs over on rumble.
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Are you any, like, we're not taking new memberships right now because we're so overwhelmed or are
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What do you, how do you, it's just all hands on deck.
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Of course you, you guys have a, there's a Twitter account or X account as well.
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Is there anything else you want to talk about here or get out or plug maybe before we always
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get into Atlantis or we can say, Oh, do you want to do that now?
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Next time you're on, we're going to talk about Atlantis.
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You got some good interview, some good videos on that on your, uh,
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Uh, you have a lot of, uh, a lot of requests from, uh, the mainstream media right now.
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So we appreciate you coming on and sharing some of this with us here today.
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Well, I always have time for a legend like you, Henrik.
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Um, much respect for what you've done over the years.
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Great, great work with everything you guys are doing.
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Keep it up and keep, keep strong with everything that's going and, uh, keep resilient as well.
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So, uh, against all of these attacks, it, uh, it shows our fortitude.
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Uh, yeah, Eric, still stay with me a little bit.
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I did want to talk with you a little bit more, but I do want to do a quick plug here.
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