Red Ice TV - What Happened In Charlottesville - Jason Kessler

00:00:00.000 welcome ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for joining us today it was a pleasure seeing you

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00:00:37.720 as usual of course thank you for joining us we are doing an interview today and i think i still

00:00:42.180 might do no goes on after this still but we have an important show for you guys we want to give you

00:00:45.640 guys an update on charlottesville on basically what happened during the day a little bit but we're

00:00:51.500 also going to talk about the court cases because they are coming up and of course with us today to

00:00:55.220 do that we have jason kessler good to see you again jason was a while ago how are you doing

00:00:59.580 hey i'm doing well thanks for having me on you bet you bet lots to get into and i kind of i'll leave

00:01:05.260 it up to you in terms of where where you would like to begin because i gather that you have uh as you've

00:01:11.180 been part of these court cases and things like that and tell us you know are there multiple what's

00:01:15.200 happening with those we'll get into that but have you gotten any more clarity on what happened on the

00:01:20.180 day of because that's obviously very been the most tumultuous thing for most people that both were

00:01:25.100 there but also from the outside look if you just look looked at this uh in the media as with most

00:01:30.320 things these days you're not going to get an accurate uh description you're not going to get

00:01:34.160 an accurate reflection of what actually happened that day so is there i'm not sure if you want to

00:01:38.300 do this but is there a way you can like summarize to us kind of what what you see happened on that day

00:01:43.060 in august 2017 so the essential elements are that um there was a black supremacist city counselor

00:01:50.620 named west bellamy who'd made a lot of uh racist statements about white people that made it his

00:01:56.580 mission to tear down a statue to robert e lee in downtown charlottesville uh i saw this as being a

00:02:04.120 part of a larger attack on white people in our history and so i uh got a permit for a rally which

00:02:12.220 was to feature a number of speakers with uh what was then the alt-right movement that we're going to

00:02:17.820 speak in support of american history and uh white civil rights and that kind of thing uh the city

00:02:23.860 tried to cancel the permit and with the help of the aclu i was able to beat them in federal court

00:02:30.400 and get that permit reinstated uh we thought everything was going to be good the police had a

00:02:36.200 duty to protect us but it turned out that uh it became a trap uh because the police stood down while

00:02:43.980 these uh really uh extreme uh anarchists and blm militants attacked the event uh while this was

00:02:52.840 going on and we know this because of an independent review that was actually conducted by the city

00:02:57.980 itself the police chief told his subordinates let them fight it will make it easier to declare an

00:03:04.240 unlawful assembly and so that's exactly what they did the charlottesville police didn't even show up

00:03:09.740 until uh long after antifa had been attacking the demonstrators using tear gas clubs um improvised

00:03:18.920 flamethrowers all kinds of weapons then they pushed the alt-right protesters out of the park into the

00:03:25.520 antifa which really uh exploded the violence even further yeah so um that is what happened at the

00:03:33.760 after at the actual event itself yes it was instigated violence it was uh how would you frame

00:03:39.640 that was that uh in your view hindsight being 2020 the intention we we've heard a lot of rumors and

00:03:46.180 it's still somewhat difficult to confirm but you know we heard that there was a lot of of course

00:03:49.800 intelligence that day probably a lot of feds fbi agents and things like that maybe maybe even part

00:03:55.240 of some of the groups we you know there these are some of the things we're still speculating at but

00:03:59.000 regardless being just actually there maybe maybe not even as undercover that were there

00:04:03.380 they wanted to instigate violence because i don't know how you would frame that but do you think that

00:04:08.760 was part of the whole like anti-trump thing as well that we have to try to associate these people with

00:04:13.340 trump and these people they're there these are all the bad people that showed up and we need some kind

00:04:17.780 of event uh we need something to you know turn it into violence or something so we can then hinge it or

00:04:22.860 blaming on i'm not saying it's all about trump but i'm sure that's kind of part of what the

00:04:26.180 establishment were uh viewing this at the time but what do you see yeah i think that that's

00:04:31.280 absolutely a part of it i think that regardless of whether there was any violence or not the event

00:04:38.700 was supposed to be turned into a psyop by the media essentially where they were going to use it as a

00:04:44.920 cudgel to attack the right and trump specifically and we've seen that with subsequent events like january

00:04:51.980 6 where uh even just one person who uh has quote unquote bad optics or is an anomaly like uh at

00:05:00.340 charlesville we had a guy a random guy with a swastika flag that no one seemed to know with a crease

00:05:07.700 still on the flag jason right that his amazon basic nazi flag pack was just unfolded you know five

00:05:14.860 minutes before basically right yeah and he became representative of the event not only that there

00:05:20.400 was a totally separate event not charlesville august 12th where the klu klux klan came in their hollywood

00:05:26.740 robes and everything and probably 50 or more of the mainstream media articles about charlesville showed

00:05:33.880 people in those clan roads which wasn't our event yeah but they used that as a psyop it's very similar to

00:05:40.160 with january 6 how you had the one guy with the camp auschwitz shirt who became one of the faces of that

00:05:47.040 event for the media yeah that's right uh and of course again coincidentally here uh just a couple

00:05:53.480 of days what is it a week maybe even less ago now uh the uh the statue did uh did come down right there

00:05:58.980 was a lot of controversy around this then for a while it was covered up i know then they took down

00:06:02.720 they had some just black tarp around it or whatever then they took that off or whatever

00:06:06.360 uh what what do you feel about seeing this i mean again it's what is it four four years later now

00:06:11.180 there's been court cases back and forth and all that stuff and of course again a lot of the people

00:06:15.380 that went to charlottesville that day this is it was not only i feel about the robert e lee statue

00:06:22.300 it was an overarching thing that you're gonna see it doesn't stop with you know robert e lee right

00:06:28.680 this can this gonna continue to statue after statue after statue and i'd say jason after 2020 and all

00:06:34.020 the crazy blm and tifa riots that we've seen uh the people that went there have kind of been vindicated

00:06:39.040 as we said like yeah we we told you this was going to happen and we've seen myriads of statues

00:06:44.040 all around the u.s even in the uk that have been coming down right yeah i think so absolutely and

00:06:49.760 if you recall we actually had a torch vigil on august 11th the day earlier which was to the

00:06:56.320 thomas jefferson monument at the uva rotunda and that event was attacked by antifa as well you had

00:07:02.840 extremely violent people from philly antifa you had um a convicted domestic terrorist brent betterly with

00:07:10.100 them you had a guy paul menton from philly antifa who's been convicted of disposing of the dead bodies

00:07:16.200 of murder victims these weren't uh peaceful protesters as uh the media has portrayed it but

00:07:22.220 yeah the part of the concept for the unite the right rally for me was that i saw that it uh the tearing

00:07:28.580 down of our history and the attack on european american history in particular seemed to be like a frog

00:07:36.540 slowly boiling in water and i saw where it was going i saw that they were attacking robert e lee in new

00:07:43.200 orleans for instance and then they were moving on to george washington and the other founding fathers

00:07:48.100 and i wanted to point that out and get ahead of the game and um it's a shame about the robert e lee

00:07:56.340 monument in charlesville coming down but isn't it amazing that with all the statues that were torn down

00:08:03.120 during the blm and antifa riots of 2020 that statue made it through that summer which is basically

00:08:10.200 because of the judicial activism of groups that were suing to say no you can't tear down this statue

00:08:16.920 so there was actually a judicial order uh saying no this is illegal and so they were afraid to tear

00:08:24.080 down that statue in a way that they weren't afraid to tear down other statues and and finally i would

00:08:29.780 just say to the protesters who went to charlesville don't blame yourself for that statue coming down

00:08:35.920 they as we saw with these riots they were going to tear down these statues either way yeah at least

00:08:41.600 we got ahead of the game and called them out for what they were doing what was it was it 2016 the first

00:08:47.820 time you heard about uh some a group trying to take that particular robert e lee statue down in

00:08:52.600 charlesville yeah i believe that was the time yeah uh and i think i even had a clip in here of one of the

00:08:58.540 activists who were behind it was was speaking uh let me see if i can find her right here she was so 0.99

00:09:03.000 happy and of course and they and they said that too that this is it's not going to end with this uh

00:09:07.160 it's just a small step in their view right i think everything anything that is uh in some way

00:09:13.320 significant of uh european american achievements are going to be attacked it's going to be torn down

00:09:18.820 it has to be replaced and all that kind of stuff and again hindsight regardless of what happened that day

00:09:24.020 i think people that that that understood where this was going have been have been vindicated and

00:09:30.220 and i think a lot of maybe and i don't know if this is true but if we talk about january 6 for a

00:09:35.180 moment too right i see that as kind of the bigger like it's a bigger updated version of what happened

00:09:39.860 in charlottesville in a way right now it's like federal and all that kind of stuff um but a lot of

00:09:44.880 the potential you know mega people and things people that were like critical of those that were showing up

00:09:49.200 uh at charlottesville that they they kind of got their own during the january 6th right and and so

00:09:55.320 much material now too jason has actually been coming out just how many feds that were embedded in their

00:10:00.740 informants there were people that were intentionally causing violence they were breaking windows they

00:10:04.800 were busting open things and they were kind of ramping up uh the violence really on on january 6th in

00:10:11.160 order to get the masses to become angry and and you know hyped up basically and i think it was probably

00:10:16.480 for them i would assume it was very hard to to keep that at bay considering what happened during

00:10:20.240 the during the election but what else do you see in terms of overlap is it is it good in your view

00:10:25.360 that people are a lot of at least conservatives are beginning to see that like yeah feds are doing

00:10:30.100 these kinds of things that they're setting people up they're doing sting operations they nestle their

00:10:34.080 way into groups they maybe even set up and create groups at time uh in order to reflect negatively

00:10:40.300 on what they consider to be i don't know a problem group right yeah i mean it's it's

00:10:46.460 just a shame that the broader conservative movement threw us under the bus after charlesville

00:10:51.880 in particular people like uh alex jones i can think of but um you know they and a lot of people who

00:10:58.840 were even at the rally threw us under the bus and they said that we had bad optics and how you know

00:11:05.360 you should have known but there's no way that anybody could have known that they would have

00:11:09.580 done what they did i mean historically there has always been a right for even unpopular dissidents

00:11:17.180 to protest in the public square and the police keep the sides separated yeah for them to spring this

00:11:23.500 kind of trap onto uh legal protesters was pretty uh unprecedented and i think a lot of the people

00:11:31.500 who threw us under the bus and were throwing all these conspiracy theories oh they got off the bus

00:11:37.200 the same bus as the antifa and blah blah blah you know they really missed an opportunity to learn

00:11:42.720 from us because i mean a lot of us made mistakes i made mistakes myself uh but we've learned from

00:11:50.020 those and we could have shared that with people right uh what they did on january 6 uh in some ways was

00:11:57.300 was very similar with the you know in charlottesville the police stood down and uh they allowed the antifa

00:12:03.400 to attack people in some cases people fought back and then were prosecuted viciously while the uh antifa

00:12:10.840 weren't charged at all yeah uh and then on january 6th you know you had uh some people like you were

00:12:16.460 saying some of whom were uh federal agents that were committing violent acts breaking windows and so

00:12:21.760 forth and then you had other people who the police just opened the door for and let in and you can

00:12:29.240 obviously understand why people would think that it was totally okay for them to do that and yet they're

00:12:35.060 prosecuting these people at uh record levels hundreds of people many of whom who are detained in conditions

00:12:42.400 that uh we would normally consider to be like second world or third world um not given bail not given

00:12:50.600 proper treatment being held detained for non-violent offenses so it's easy to see that the police being used

00:12:59.000 uh as pawns basically to to lure uh right-wing protesters into these kinds of entrapments you

00:13:06.700 know there's been discussions a broader discussion and and especially happened you know after 9-11 there

00:13:11.460 was a lot of uh you know fbi uh you know operations basically trying to entrap like young you know muslim 1.00

00:13:17.360 men and things like that when that when that was the big issue and of course we had a lot of the

00:13:21.020 draconian measures coming in after 9-11 too such as the patriot act and the before that we had the project

00:13:26.300 for the new american century and these kinds of things right but it somewhere along the line it

00:13:30.600 it shifted and it shifted away from muslims being the big bad boogeyman to basically uh white right 0.99

00:13:36.760 wingers right conservatives uh in america they're the problem now they're the terrorists right and the 0.99

00:13:41.560 fbi have of course continued and ramped up i'd say the many of these operations where they try to

00:13:45.640 entrap you know young men they try to uh instigate violence they're trying to get them to do certain

00:13:51.120 things and the question is too jason how much of the supposed you know violence that we've seen

00:13:56.700 actually at all would be taking place if it wasn't for intelligence services butting in and and

00:14:03.540 basically instigating and drawing this out and and at the time that it happened to the muslims it was

00:14:07.680 kind of this in the media at least it was a little bit of this soul searching there was like is this

00:14:11.300 really right to do this and should they should they should they be allowed to do these kinds of

00:14:15.140 things i was hoping that it would be a thorough examination of that tactic by federal law

00:14:21.380 enforcement that that it should be in my view illegal to do these kinds of things and i've i've not heard

00:14:26.460 anything about that uh but i think if january 6th should bring something good of it good out of it that

00:14:32.560 would be one of the things what do you think yeah i think you're spot on with the comparison to what

00:14:37.800 happened with the muslims during uh the war on terror i think once the the the publicity and the money 0.99

00:14:43.780 gets pumped into these uh counter-terrorism uh research operations including in the universities

00:14:49.680 people are looking for a problem even where one doesn't exist and sometimes they have to create it

00:14:55.960 and regardless of what you think of you know there were actual legitimate terrorist attack by muslims

00:15:01.060 during the war on terror that were vicious and bloody but you know there is a concept known as low base

00:15:06.300 rate in the actual research literature that is you know a very small percentage of the people who

00:15:12.000 subscribed even to the radical muslim ideology uh were violent people and the the reason that those 1.00

00:15:19.900 kinds of terms and that kind of thinking is out there is because there were people who uh you know

00:15:26.420 because they're muslims many of whom were non-white would step in and say well these are human beings

00:15:32.700 too maybe we need to think about this and and not allow them all to be stereotyped and have their civil

00:15:38.380 rights violated but we don't see that same type of research uh being conducted on white nationalists

00:15:44.940 who i would say also have a low base rate i mean come on how many people out there are advocating for

00:15:50.700 white identity issues white nationalists or not and how many people are committing terror attacks a

00:15:56.140 tiny tiny amount and yet you have people like merit garland going out there and comparing all white

00:16:01.540 people uh all white nationalists to domestic terrorists yeah they're conflating radical ideas

00:16:07.100 with violence which is wrong yeah yeah exactly no the the stage is set so to speak they know what 0.79

00:16:13.920 they're doing here they're trying to rope in i mean we've seen articles like this again whether

00:16:18.140 even if people are today trump supporters or not or don't support trump or whatever from from their

00:16:23.540 perspective as i feel they see that the people who voted for trump both in 2016 but also in 2020 as a

00:16:29.540 as a big problem group right we've seen articles like what do we do about the 70 million or 74

00:16:34.600 million however many it actually was now in 2020 right but uh that they're and i mean that's basically

00:16:40.840 like 50 percent of the voter base almost right that they're trying to rope in and say that your ideas

00:16:46.000 are dangerous your ideas are equates to terrorism now like this is any this is an insane strategy that

00:16:52.640 will do nothing else but to tear the country apart but as i saw you were tweeting about this too

00:16:57.480 maybe that's a good idea maybe maybe separation to a certain degree uh secession uh is one way out

00:17:05.400 of this because this seems like a a just a gordian knot i don't know how you're going to solve this

00:17:09.820 you have people on both ends that say that hate hate each other and they're unwilling to listen to

00:17:14.260 each other too jason yeah i mean look the left hates the right so much why not just let them

00:17:20.300 peacefully secede why do we need to make a big deal about it you know they have their vision of the

00:17:26.020 world you know and we have ours uh we should go our separate ways uh i think that anybody should

00:17:33.320 look at what's going on in this country right now and have some major alarms going off i mean when you

00:17:39.340 see things like the government going to social media and saying we want these posts taken down

00:17:45.880 that's soviet bolshevik style censorship yeah yeah it's crazy the uh i was just looking at some of

00:17:52.460 the material to uh the uh the disinformation dozen and look at also as well how how it just and this

00:17:58.120 was was one of the things that i was talking about you know way back way back then in 2015-16 that like

00:18:04.140 the the the corridor if you will of of accepted opinion will just narrow and narrow or if you will

00:18:10.860 they will expand what's considered to be dangerous material now it's like if you don't trust the people

00:18:16.380 uh who are uh selling us this uh the the vaccine for example you're you're almost a terrorist now

00:18:21.500 right you're if you don't believe in this if you don't accept it and take it you're basically you

00:18:25.860 know killing people that's how insane it's gotten and and more and more of these topics are being

00:18:30.460 uh thrown under the under the bus so to speak and there's fewer and fewer things that we actually

00:18:34.680 can talk about and these are like like big big deal topics like you know that it could be life

00:18:39.940 altering you know i mean you can have uh potential consequences of some of these decisions

00:18:44.500 that might alter your life you could even actually end up dead from it but you know we're not here to

00:18:48.620 talk about the vaccines but the point is there's so many things now that it's just like completely off

00:18:54.520 limits and instead of moving in direction where more and more becomes you know acceptable to talk

00:18:59.540 about it's more and more that that's being limited and the establishment of the ruling class is

00:19:06.260 basically driving a strategy that if you counteract us if you are a dissident effectively whatever the 0.83

00:19:11.240 topic is you are a terrorist and we're going to treat you as one this is insane jason yeah i mean 0.81

00:19:17.460 there's a a very big shift towards left-wing authoritarianism the left uh of old that were 0.82

00:19:24.180 liberals and believed in free speech and public debate and uh due process rights for dissident groups

00:19:31.620 is the thing of the past and what you have now is a lot of these journalists who are antifa activists

00:19:37.560 and they're very uh thinly veiling that and they're pushing for uh radical censorship authoritarianism

00:19:45.380 i think what happened in charlottesville is part of the um the founding mythology of this new

00:19:52.140 censorship censorship regime and this push to identify rural uh blue-collar white people trump

00:20:00.300 supporters as the new domestic terrorists yeah and that's part of why i think that these court cases

00:20:07.540 are so important is because we have a chance even though this thing was four years ago to go back

00:20:13.160 and if we can beat them right at the very beginning where this thing started i think it'll humiliate

00:20:18.300 them and uh start to unravel the whole yarn now going back to charlottesville again if you if you

00:20:24.380 would have done it today with what you all the things you know would you have let's say uh limited it

00:20:31.100 to certain uh groups or people or or like an approved checklist because again of course that's just

00:20:36.900 and again i'm not blaming you for that but i'm just saying that was simply kind of evident part

00:20:42.500 of the issue that anybody could show up which we which we didn't know and i think someone in chat

00:20:46.600 pointed out too by the way the guy with the the swastika flag was never dogged we never found out

00:20:51.480 really who that was while some people that were just like in an obscure picture somewhere you know

00:20:55.820 that the reuters or ap took had their whole life destroyed just because they showed up and protesting

00:21:00.680 that the removal of the statue that day which is crazy but would you have done it differently

00:21:04.400 uh if you would have done it today uh yeah absolutely you know i i i put so much into

00:21:10.160 the event uh being allowed to be controversial uh you know which added sort of a unique chaos energy

00:21:17.960 to it that made it interesting uh but so much of the order and stability of the event was predicated on

00:21:25.380 uh me having a permit winning that uh case in federal court and you know having the police enforce the

00:21:32.400 safety of the event it was uh beyond my wildest imagination that the police would be uh the most

00:21:38.600 uh chaotic and disruptive element of the uh entire situation uh uh but you know there was so much

00:21:47.540 distrust amongst the participants and the speakers and and so many chaotic personalities involved in that

00:21:55.220 too uh i i i was just trying to have a spectacle you know to be an interesting uh speech event but um for

00:22:03.240 anybody that was thinking about doing a speech event in the future i would definitely uh focus less on

00:22:09.380 you know trying to find internet celebrities necessarily and uh focus more on your your group of

00:22:16.740 friends you know who are okay with the idea of doing public protest and and are insulated from some of the

00:22:23.160 the pressures and blowback that comes with that find people that you can trust because it's important

00:22:28.320 that people aren't making you look bad that that you're with people who can show restraint because

00:22:34.380 uh more than anything else you have to understand that you have to be non-violent uh and you have to um

00:22:41.160 you have to speak uh about uh standing up for white people you don't need to be getting into all this

00:22:48.400 stuff about you know uh other groups it's you need to focus on a positive message

00:22:54.060 and um yeah and and so many people were uh distrusting each other and and the egos were out of control

00:23:02.600 trying to grab the spotlight i didn't even know that the antifa were outside of the venue blocking the

00:23:09.260 entrance i didn't know that the police stood down that was just a very nasty surprise that i had to run into

00:23:15.480 that day yeah exactly here's a npr article i'm showing on the screen here but uh for those

00:23:19.980 podcast audience joining us later on here it says what went wrong in charlottesville almost

00:23:23.900 everything says a report right so they they uh reference some of these things independent it was

00:23:28.060 this the um let me see here the city commission the report which was prepared by timothy hippies and

00:23:33.500 i pronounce it uh a former u.s attorney in virginia uh in conducting the investigation he said the team

00:23:39.040 poured through hundreds and uh thousands of documents interviewed hundreds of witnesses

00:23:42.260 and reviewed counted hours of video and audio the resulting 220 page report is detailed record

00:23:48.280 of the chaos and conflict that unspooled is that the word uh in virginia uh in the virginia

00:23:53.940 college town it is unsparingly in identifying the errors authorities made that day in the preceding

00:24:00.840 um and sorry in the preceding months is that let me click in on that real quick to see if i recognize

00:24:05.240 the oh that's taken down now that's a shame okay there you go was that the um the i remember one of the

00:24:11.440 reports and this probably that this one then but they were even talking about if we go over to

00:24:14.800 well uh the the car accident right that happened after the event uh was closed off right that there

00:24:20.940 were they were questioning in the report why certain roads had been blocked off and there was like a lot

00:24:25.760 of inconsistencies with that i'm not sure if you want to you know address that or talk about that at all

00:24:29.600 yeah it's just a shame you know i think that uh no one would have died at the event if the police had

00:24:35.440 done their jobs i this silly uh game that they thought they were going to get into if you can

00:24:41.220 just stand down and allow the protesters to be attacked it's not a game and i think they found

00:24:47.020 that out with regards to the the car situation you know there was supposed to be uh barricades closing

00:24:53.260 that street off and uh there was a police officer who was supposed to be guarding that um that street

00:25:00.120 and she abandoned her post i mean the police just were not enforced the way they needed to be there

00:25:05.240 i mean that that um that police chief and the city manager of charlesville who i'm suing in a separate

00:25:12.540 lawsuit um you know they had the authority to bring in the national guard and they didn't do it until it

00:25:18.980 was too late until somebody had already died uh they they had uh they had promised me so much they

00:25:25.880 promised me they were going to have uh uh that i think it was like eight squadrons of police officers

00:25:31.480 police embedded throughout the uh the event you know uh de-escalating and arresting arresting violent

00:25:38.240 actors um they said they were going to have maybe like 800 police officers in the back of the park

00:25:44.620 so many things were promised and not delivered um and then finally you know that there was uneven

00:25:52.460 enforcement of the uh unlawful assembly and the state of emergency because they you know the right

00:25:59.060 wing people they left immediately and i did my best to try and get people out of the area of the park

00:26:04.340 but the uh the left wing protesters you know the communists and uh socialists and so forth they were

00:26:11.220 allowed to just roam freely and uh it created a very very volatile situation yeah and i'm showing some

00:26:18.840 of the drone footage here again for the podcast audience but you guys joining us over video you'll

00:26:22.200 see this here too that there's no clear line there was no delineation of like where we're

00:26:27.260 team team blue versus team red are um it was just who's what's going on here and and again

00:26:33.280 usually at these kinds of things it's a clear like no you stand you can be there and counter

00:26:37.960 protest the protesters but you got to be over here kind of thing and even from like you know from

00:26:41.780 first minute it's just completely chaos and people have to walk through you know communists and

00:26:47.860 antifa people you know the the right wingers have to walk through uh commies and stuff like that

00:26:52.380 antifa um pro antifa people and and if in fact it's remarkable that it wasn't more violence that

00:26:59.460 that happened it was i think it was a lot of restraint especially and i'm not saying from the left

00:27:04.120 but from the right wingers uh the only thing in hindsight i said basically you can't you can't

00:27:09.200 defend yourself it's like if you defend yourself you might be going to jail because you're like

00:27:13.280 you're seen as an aggressor right they were building all these conspiracy uh cases too right

00:27:19.020 by going through people's uh you know chat messages and you know various forums people were in and so

00:27:24.080 forth where basically people were concerned with like can we defend how do we defend ourselves if

00:27:29.560 they attack us what can we go there with and again i haven't poured through everything so i'm not

00:27:33.500 saying i can't say that someone didn't say yeah let's go go there and beat these people up or

00:27:38.540 something like that but it was this like uh as usual they're they're skewing things they're using

00:27:44.620 legalese and they're squirming their way out of a very obvious situation remember the whole

00:27:50.000 2016 lead up to the trump election we'd seen tremendous violence from the from the far left

00:27:55.220 right against against the trump supporters against conservatives against nationalists and things like

00:27:59.120 this and so that was a very reasonable position to take like how can we bring a shield you know

00:28:04.780 what i mean to or something to you know break uh or block if they're throwing things at us can we

00:28:09.960 you know what can we do but then they try to rope in people that it's like no they came there to

00:28:14.260 with the intent to do violence um should we go into a little bit other court cases now and how you see

00:28:20.340 that and and what they've been trying to what they've been trying to do um i mean just give us an

00:28:25.880 overview first of all how many how many cases are we talking about what's happened this is just going

00:28:29.700 it's been going for years and years now right some of them yeah so uh a few of the cases have already

00:28:35.440 resolved themselves with settlements and so forth uh the the two main cases that are still out there

00:28:41.340 is the one that's coming up in october october 25th and that's signs v kessler and that's the one

00:28:47.920 we're really defending against and it is uh based on what you say they take uh messages from a chat room

00:28:55.420 that are talking about self-defense and then they're trying to construe that it's a conspiracy

00:28:59.900 to commit offensive violence and so without a doubt you know there was an expectation that antifa was

00:29:06.760 going to attack and with uh events in berkeley where uh right-wing protesters had been attacked by

00:29:13.640 antifa there are people that if they're attacked are going to look forward to being able to fight back

00:29:19.460 against antifa but it didn't go anywhere beyond that you know like to say um people are prepared

00:29:28.720 to fight if they get attacked first is not a conspiracy no matter how that they uh try to spin

00:29:34.900 that uh and to be clear this is not a criminal case uh for a civil case the evidence can be very thin

00:29:41.780 it can be very weak and they can put something in a document that says so and so conspired with so and

00:29:48.860 so and then that's basically enough to get them past a motion to dismiss and into trial uh so for

00:29:55.900 instance you know the heart of this thing i mean just to cut through all the noise is they're trying

00:30:01.000 to say that the uh organizers of charlottesville conspired with james fields to run over uh protesters

00:30:07.320 which is just hogwash we have uh transcripts uh under oath from the investigating officers like uh

00:30:15.120 steve young of the charlottesville police department where he's saying they looked for

00:30:19.680 and did not find any evidence on james fields phone of um of conspiracy uh to kill heather hire run over

00:30:28.780 protesters there was not even any communication period with any of the organizers and it wasn't just

00:30:36.580 his phone the uh fbi out of louisville had gone into fields home in ohio and they took all of his

00:30:44.700 other devices and searched those and there was absolutely no communication with the organizers

00:30:50.660 whatsoever i mean for me i saw what happened in that street on tv like everybody else did uh i didn't

00:30:57.940 have anything to do with it and yet there you have basically some very uh rich and politically

00:31:04.980 connected groups that are trying to hurt us with this lawsuit uh it's run the the lead attorney is a

00:31:12.080 woman named roberta kaplan who um is a uh identitarian jewish lesbian activist who uh won a supreme court case

00:31:22.100 legalizing gay marriage and that's her claim to fame and she's just absolutely obsessed with um white 0.96

00:31:29.820 identity activist um and she has a uh non-profit called integrity first for america behind her uh

00:31:39.740 they're funded by some of the the wealthiest um tech titans and um other uh wealthy elite jewish people

00:31:50.320 that share her um her view that uh the the charlottesville protesters are a grave threat

00:31:57.880 um for instance uh they're funded by the co-founder of linkedin reed hoffman he's one of their primary

00:32:05.620 fundraisers uh reed hoffman uh is a major funder of disinformation campaigns like the uh the uh

00:32:14.020 disinformation campaign that was run against uh judge roy moore in alabama uh they're funded by uh or at

00:32:21.200 least supported by other notable um uh jewish individuals like natalie portman and uh craig newmark

00:32:29.520 from craigslist and i just want to clarify that i am not an enemy to the jewish people that these

00:32:36.300 folks are making it out to be far from it i am just a guy who was trying to hold a protest uh for the

00:32:42.820 last four years since this event i've done my best to try and separate myself from uh the the rhetoric

00:32:50.160 that was hostile towards other groups but nevertheless you know these people have uh whipped

00:32:55.740 up a frenzy you know taking a tiny clip of you know on august 11th when people were protesting and

00:33:03.180 they chanted you will not replace us you had maybe five or six people who chanted jews will not replace

00:33:08.760 us and that's their money maker stuff like that where they can uh take the the clips that were filmed by

00:33:15.640 antifa journalists like unicorn riot and uh pump up the gain and and put scary music behind it and scare

00:33:23.820 some grandmothers some jewish grandmothers out of their retirement savings and um and then you have 0.54

00:33:29.660 this uh abomination of a case that's against us yeah yeah it's been it's been it's been a circus

00:33:36.880 right and uh and as usual with the media you just never you never get uh an an honest uh take on

00:33:42.740 these things there's always an objective everything is political and of course this is uh as as far

00:33:49.160 away from them uh so to speak uh possible ideologically speaking that they would go

00:33:53.660 and they see this as an opportunity to uh to create this narrative where basically like yeah but you

00:33:58.980 know right people are nationalists are they're dangerous they're violent and they every time they

00:34:03.460 meet or do things it always leads to violence and things like this why they just look the other way

00:34:07.820 for all the left-wing uh communist uh activities and and what they're involved in and doing and again

00:34:13.940 i mean if if if it would have been a the cops as you said just return to that point and and underline

00:34:19.700 that that if the police would have kept these groups separate uh the speeches would have been held

00:34:25.140 and then you know you know the group could leave and clear out and then you know the police let's go

00:34:32.200 the other group or whatever as far as nothing would have happened right it would have been fine

00:34:35.300 but it would have been fine mostly for the most part uh most likely i should say right um has there

00:34:41.220 been anything that's come up uh that you like like during the the years i guess of you know going

00:34:47.480 through the material or as you're involved in these lawsuits that's that's popped up they're like you

00:34:52.900 there was a revelation that maybe is a is a key to why things turned out the way they did or

00:34:57.320 something i don't know if there's is there anything like that you want to talk about i know we're

00:35:00.160 showing some of this drone footage there in the beginning that wasn't available

00:35:03.320 uh it was very hard to get that and get it like an overview of of uh you know what actually

00:35:08.560 happened i think a lot of the the journalists on the other side as well uh didn't you know didn't

00:35:13.240 get an opportunity to to uh to film and and and kind of lay out the scope of the thing right it's

00:35:18.840 if it if it can be this is what i'm trying to say if it can be if it's as chaotic as possible

00:35:25.000 then it's much more easy for the media to slice together an image of what happened versus

00:35:31.360 to present what actually happened that day i mean if you turn into a news report you think it was

00:35:35.580 just like murder like for hours and and then that's it you know kind of thing uh when it was

00:35:41.480 like fairly fairly calm at least initially but anyway any any big revelations that uh that come to

00:35:46.860 you over over the years yeah i mean uh it was mostly calm and and you can see that when you're

00:35:52.640 watching the drone footage the uh the clips that they put together for the news and for the

00:35:57.500 documentaries are supposed to sensationalize the event and and in reality what happened was

00:36:02.620 the actual protesters the permitted protesters were peacefully gathering and uh the antifa came out and

00:36:10.060 they uh started with small acts of violence like throwing rocks and projectiles and they looked to see if

00:36:16.600 there was going to be any pushback from the police and when there wasn't they escalated if you watch

00:36:21.800 the live video feeds all the way through that's what it is it's a story about uh incremental escalation

00:36:28.560 of violence from the left-wing protesters who are watching for the police for a signal of whether

00:36:34.040 they're going to uh rein it in or not and they never do so things just uh spiral out of control

00:36:39.560 um so a lot of what came out was immediate because of the um the uh the independent review

00:36:47.800 but over the last uh four years i've been uh dogged in trying to uh get as much additional

00:36:55.320 information out of the charlottesville government as possible through freedom of information act

00:37:00.120 requests and in fact i've uh filed several different uh additional lawsuits against them some of which

00:37:07.140 i've already won and some of which are pending uh seeking additional information so um some of the

00:37:13.580 things that i've found uh for instance uh just a few days before the event itself the uh the police

00:37:21.460 chief had sent to the city manager who is the top the head of the charlottesville government an article

00:37:26.920 from willamette week about the uh portland uh protest which was titled as police stand by alt-right

00:37:35.760 and antifa protesters beat each other bloody which is very interesting thing you know very uh prescient

00:37:42.780 kind of thing for him to send um considering five days later he was saying let them fight it'll

00:37:51.060 make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly yeah um there's kernels in the report that i was able

00:37:57.640 to tease out very interesting information like the the report says that the police chief was actually

00:38:03.560 uh destroying his text messages uh having to do with the rally so those text messages were never

00:38:11.380 analyzed for the report which could be even more explosive than anything that's come out so far

00:38:17.660 and uh he was creating phony documents and backdating them to to make it seem like he'd done

00:38:24.800 preparations which he hadn't done so after the fact i found out first of all that that's a that's a

00:38:30.560 misdemeanor offense which would bar a public official in virginia from ever holding office again

00:38:36.280 of course no one ever pursued charges like that but uh i i tried to get it those text messages

00:38:42.560 through foia requests uh of the police chief's phone then i asked for the text messages from the city

00:38:49.720 manager's phone and uh at first they didn't want to give them to me then when i filed a lawsuit

00:38:56.600 they said the phone had been wiped so that was a major revelation yeah that wasn't including in

00:39:03.820 in the hayfield report very funny that the police chief destroyed his text messages then the city

00:39:09.700 manager wiped his phone so after i won that lawsuit i filed a new lawsuit when did that conclude by the

00:39:17.800 way just for a timeline here when did that the first lawsuit conclude that was uh in 2020 i don't

00:39:23.720 remember the exact month okay no it's okay all right just just get an idea of like how long this

00:39:28.640 we know it's like you know the the legal system takes a long time it's a long grinding process and

00:39:33.900 stuff like that but it's just incredible that it just yeah anyway go go on jason so that was pro se

00:39:39.820 like we've already spent so much money to defend ourselves against the the big finance lawsuit we we

00:39:46.640 have our lawsuit that's the offensive one for uh for free speech and civil rights violations and so uh

00:39:53.820 rather than wasting any more money that needed to go towards those operations i argued those cases

00:39:59.200 myself and i got thousands of documents in emails that the city was withholding from me and i got

00:40:05.700 this admission that they'd wipe the phone uh then i filed a new lawsuit using the virginia public records

00:40:11.940 act basically which says that they're not supposed to destroy public documents there's this funny loophole

00:40:18.440 where you know they have to have the documents uh in order to um respond to your foyer request so

00:40:26.080 for instance if they just destroyed uh an incriminating public document they could legitimately

00:40:32.600 supposedly according to their theory say uh oh sorry we don't have any documents like that bye

00:40:39.140 so um the the reason i filed the public records act is it say no the public records act and the freedom

00:40:46.880 of information act are uh inextricably intertwined as part of the same body of rights you know if the

00:40:55.160 public records act isn't enforced then uh then i how can i uh enforce my freedom of information rights

00:41:02.920 so i i thanks to a generous uh donation from uh attorney sam dixon i was able to get actually

00:41:10.560 the uh the primary freedom of information act uh attorney in virginia that is uh mr uh

00:41:18.780 uh andrew bodo who's literally written the virginian guide to freedom of information act

00:41:25.100 and so when they saw that we had a real attorney working on it they got scared and they they changed

00:41:31.720 their story then they said well we didn't wipe the phone it was damaged and we found it in some warehouse

00:41:37.500 now so now the the question is how is this phone damaged did they smash it with a hammer did they

00:41:45.420 drop it in a toilet did they hit it with bleach like hillary clinton uh but we're finally getting

00:41:51.300 to the point where we're uh going to hire a um an independent uh electronic forensics team to look at it

00:41:59.880 and do an analysis of what kind of physical damage was done to this phone and whether these documents

00:42:05.800 these uh text messages can finally be recovered interesting yeah that's very interesting um hey

00:42:12.220 there was something i always wanted to ask you about and it has to do with uh i forget how many

00:42:16.360 days after it was but alex jones brought you on and i and i it was just a shame it took this and i know

00:42:22.920 there's a lot of a lot of people have you know problems with alex or whatever but he seemed to have

00:42:27.600 kind of taken this view that just because you uh were you know a democrat before this is a big

00:42:33.280 conspiracy uh by a democrat by you to kind of get all these guys roped in and then set them up and

00:42:39.160 all this kind of stuff and and he didn't even really let you speak i was trying to find a copy

00:42:42.780 earlier but you know with all the censorship and stuff it's actually hard to find um uh but but what

00:42:48.060 would you say to that like the way he i mean from my point of view it's clear that it's like

00:42:52.300 yeah there's i mean people are come from being leftists all the time and and they open their eyes

00:42:58.280 they understand things they shift and they change their political affiliation they uh they realize

00:43:03.280 that the other things matter to them etc um why did he do that do you think why couldn't he it was like

00:43:09.040 almost he couldn't just accept that it was like yeah it was a setup it was a get mostly a gay op 0.82

00:43:13.840 right and and and that where the pressure should have lied at the time i think but he was like he

00:43:17.880 couldn't even see that what what do you uh what was your response to to that whole thing yeah it's it's

00:43:22.340 a shame and it really hurt me at the time because a lot of the platforms that i'd started to

00:43:27.220 uh really become known for appearing on you know i was a journalist with daily caller i just started

00:43:33.660 out with that uh project and i'd appeared on gavin mcinnis's show i'd appeared on info wars with paul

00:43:40.480 joseph watson and then uh leanne mcadoo and uh both the the gavin mcinnis and uh and alex jones really

00:43:48.640 threw me under the bus the hardest you know i guess they they felt like they needed to save their own

00:43:53.540 behinds because of their association with me but you know there's uh of course people can change

00:44:00.640 their ideology they can go from any one thing to another thing you know if they hear a compelling

00:44:05.640 argument or just changes in their life as they get older or whatever but uh in particular i mean for me

00:44:13.020 i don't really think that i changed that much it was the world around me that changed during that period

00:44:18.220 uh preceding trump's election um there was a a major change from the left being the party of the the

00:44:27.480 working class and uh being for free speech and individual liberty and and then uh making this

00:44:35.560 transition to just hating white people and i was never about that i mean i guess that i i uh i tolerated

00:44:42.500 uh reading like uh chomsky or howard zinn and like talking about well let's relearn the history of the

00:44:49.500 native americans and the blacks and so forth you know i i'm open to being empathetic to other groups

00:44:55.180 of people but i've i've never really uh been on board with anti-white hate so when they started uh going

00:45:01.940 over the deep end with that stuff i i just you know i flipped and i've always been a free speech guy

00:45:07.460 uh i was against the war in iraq uh from what i saw president trump was also against the war in iraq

00:45:14.000 so uh i think that there was a major uh switch for a lot of people who uh went from being uh democrats

00:45:21.720 to being republicans because trump changed the republican party so uh that's where i was with that

00:45:29.240 with uh alex jones you know a lot of the things that he said are nonsensical and he's hit me with so

00:45:36.900 many things over the years we're all tuned in and uh i think when he started out in that initial

00:45:41.900 interview he was accusing me of being jewish which is uh funny because you know uh he i guess at that

00:45:48.740 time he was trying to uh insinuate that i was a nazi or something and yet he's he's got this

00:45:54.380 conspiracy theory about like the nazi protests being uh orchestrated by jews at other times he said

00:46:01.760 that uh i was a hillary clinton supporter also yeah i remember that yeah it's very clear that i was uh

00:46:08.340 supporting trump uh as a candidate the entire way through um it's true that i voted for democrats at

00:46:16.160 a certain point but i never supported uh hillary clinton right and then and then he's moved on to

00:46:21.440 like accusing uh the charlottesville protesters of being uh gay theater uh actors and just totally

00:46:29.040 outrageous things so he gave me the full uh sandy hook treatment basically uh that's uh that's a

00:46:34.340 shame yeah and then of course to uh circle back around to uh january 6th that then uh then it

00:46:40.180 happened to him right because he was part of that and now they're trying to rope it for a while there

00:46:44.540 at least i think there are actually lawsuits but they're trying to say that he was the ringleader

00:46:47.740 of it they they were using some clips out of context where he said like yeah i got the phone from

00:46:51.640 the white house and they tell they told me to lead the march right remember and now they're

00:46:56.480 piecing that together to say oh he's he instigated the violence when it's like well no they didn't

00:47:02.580 intend to commit violence they were just going to march up to uh you know to the capital and

00:47:06.440 legally protest right you know basically shouting outside uh and then all these other gay ops happen 0.97

00:47:12.280 so it it shows you these uh you know yeah i don't know it's just i guess ironic is the is the word

00:47:17.920 uh choice where it's just like you you you you throw someone under the bus and you think you you'd you

00:47:23.000 know get away from it or whatever but then like you're roped up in just a bigger a bigger gay op 0.95

00:47:27.060 essentially right but uh anyway what what um what about heimbach right he kind of turned uh

00:47:32.600 bolshevik here was it was that last year or earlier this year i forget when it was uh i saw you're

00:47:38.100 tweeting a little bit about uh him but what do you make about the the twd the the traditional

00:47:42.600 workers party their their um presence there and so forth have you have you uh speculated about

00:47:49.220 anything um if you know what i mean after that there's so much uh that was going on behind the

00:47:56.620 scenes that people don't know about i had no control over what heimbach and his group um and the groups

00:48:02.700 that they marched with were doing they had split off from me and you know were bad mouthing me and all

00:48:08.840 kinds of stuff uh and uh come to find out what i've found out and we're going to present evidence

00:48:16.700 to attest to at this trial in october is that heimbach when he was going through his uh brief

00:48:23.000 period claiming to be a reformed extremist and uh anti-racist uh you know was basically bragging

00:48:31.540 about his involvement with the fbi in order to bolster his credentials as somebody who was you know

00:48:37.700 okay working with the man basically and and working against the quote-unquote racist

00:48:42.840 racist and um what he was saying essentially is that the fbi bought the the twp shields that he

00:48:50.920 brought with him maybe other people brought other stuff but he claims that they bought his shields

00:48:55.700 uh he said that he was he didn't even want to go to charlottesville but the fbi talked him into going

00:49:00.780 and they also encouraged him to split off from what i was doing they told him to go and do his own

00:49:07.360 thing uh which really to me uh had the impact of causing more chaos and and that that has to be

00:49:15.340 the reason that they decided to do that and when i see this performance that he did yesterday where

00:49:21.220 i mean it almost seems like an actor who's been uh you know given a paycheck or something to to go and

00:49:27.780 say convenient lines which bolster the uh the the war on domestic terror you know and he he's going to go

00:49:36.980 out there he has no supporters but he's going to claim that you know that people are going to go

00:49:41.340 to the homes of presidents and and and they know where their children live it just um reeks to me

00:49:48.660 of somebody who is uh still under the sway of federal agents yeah exactly it does right uh it's

00:49:54.940 very suspicious in a way here there's what was this again it was a um in dc march for medicare for

00:50:00.940 all is that what it was and he did a speech there he'll be bringing so much needed levity on saturday

00:50:04.880 uh lee camp and then is that photoshopped is that actually heimbach doing i think i think it's a

00:50:11.200 joke yeah it's gotta be right apparently heimbach was you know they have these medicare for all

00:50:18.100 uh rallies and uh they've got all these uh celebrities and left-wing pundits attending them

00:50:23.780 and i mean technically speaking i think heimbach is a left-wing pundit now he's very much uh he he's

00:50:30.980 a self-described bolshevik and so uh there was a a rally planned in muncie indiana and the headline

00:50:38.600 speakers were supposed to be jim davis the creator of garfield and matt h bach

00:50:44.200 oh boy what a what a what a thing that's that's funny though um okay so um okay we've covered some

00:50:53.600 of that let's see what else there is we're going to talk about the uh you know the fundraising the 0.95

00:50:57.640 websites where people can go to help you guys because of course all of these cases and shit 0.55

00:51:01.320 like that costs money like are there other back to the cases lawsuits again are there other things

00:51:08.540 happening independent of the ones that you're involved in as well that you're aware of i think

00:51:13.680 most of them have been wrapped up there was one that was it was a wild uh concept you know most of

00:51:20.040 these lawsuits have been filed in charlottesville because that's where the proper venue is there was

00:51:24.920 one that was filed in ohio and uh they never actually served me with the lawsuit and i guess

00:51:31.000 they just gave up and dropped me from the lawsuit but then they got um they got some people to settle

00:51:37.440 with them like twp itself had settled um and the concept for this lawsuit was i guess that james fields

00:51:44.980 is from ohio and uh andrew anglin's and his father are from ohio and uh twp i guess

00:51:54.800 had a branch in ohio so they're saying well this quote unquote conspiracy was hatched in ohio and

00:52:01.160 that's how they got um their venue for that and they were able to get some really ridiculous uh

00:52:06.680 settlements like they got i think five thousand dollars after david uh from david duke i mean

00:52:12.300 david duke wasn't even a speaker at the event he basically showed up and you know said a few things

00:52:18.060 in front of cameras i don't know how he conspired to do violence with anybody but the problem uh with

00:52:24.160 these types of lawsuits are that uh it's so prohibitively expensive to defend yourself

00:52:30.160 and and it's important as that is to clear your name some people are looking at it and they're

00:52:35.460 like yeah you know i'm spending whatever thousands of dollars per month uh to keep these attorneys

00:52:41.260 retained and uh it costs maybe five thousand dollars in duke's case to settle out of it i think

00:52:47.080 i'm just going to pay the five thousand dollars and be done with it all right interesting um

00:52:52.980 here's one super chat i guess i'll read the other ones later guys uh after we let jason go here we

00:52:58.060 have a little bit more to talk about here but uh yeah nathaniel westman's i'm sorry for the spicy

00:53:01.940 question but i'm not sure if he's asking me or you i guess i can ask you first then do you think

00:53:05.940 that richard spencer is or have ever been a federal informant be honest uh do you want to comment on

00:53:11.040 that well i have no evidence of that at all right also you know i would only say the heimbach thing

00:53:16.860 because i have evidence of it a lot of people put uh accusations out there and but it's kind of a

00:53:23.200 problem that there are so many accusations without any evidence backed up i have evidence with the

00:53:28.520 heimbach thing that we're going to present in court i have no evidence uh to that effect with uh spencer

00:53:34.220 yeah i think it was what was it uh it was funny it was like something uh uh i was a ralph was a

00:53:40.880 yeah ralph um ethan ralph had uh milo on on the show at some point and milo was going on off and

00:53:47.960 off about how spencer is a fed or some something to that effect and i sent a super chat and asked

00:53:52.080 what's your what's your evidence that he's like i wanted to hear more kind of thing right

00:53:55.540 uh and of course in my view he didn't provide any good answer i can't even remember what he said

00:54:00.540 but it was basically oh well basically i know so so so trust me to that effect kind of thing

00:54:05.120 but then there was something that was like taken out of context like like i believe that like yeah 0.97

00:54:10.820 i'm certain of like no i want to get more information you dumbass you know but anyway 0.96

00:54:14.220 yeah there's a lot of these uh things flying around and um it's just it's just a travesty that uh you 0.88

00:54:20.220 know just a bigger picture view here and then we'll talk about the uh the websites you have and

00:54:23.860 things like that where people can go but um that you know people uh you know came from all over

00:54:30.080 the world to to america to enjoy you know free speech and you can believe whatever you want to

00:54:35.300 believe and these kinds of things right and even if you look at the uh united nations uh charter of

00:54:40.460 human rights right article 18 and 19 they talk about this thing that you there should be no

00:54:44.640 interference with you having the beliefs that you want you should be able to share information

00:54:49.100 i forget the exact wording but it's basically no one can come in and tell you you know what you

00:54:54.200 should uh believe or what you what religion uh you know you you want to have or anything like that

00:54:59.700 right and now we live in a time where all of these things have just been thrown out the window you

00:55:05.440 know and whether it's coronavirus or it's uh or if it's so-called uh you know homegrown you know

00:55:11.300 domestic terrorism that's the boogeyman at the time uh they have used these excuses to just utterly

00:55:17.100 destroy uh the values that uh you know this country was founded on when it comes to uh free speech and

00:55:23.840 being able to um uh to say what you want to say believe what you want to believe um is there any

00:55:29.140 coming back from this or is that it again it feels like the country's being torn apart and it's hard

00:55:33.440 to come back from something like this no i don't think there's any coming back from it i think we

00:55:37.780 need to move away and go our separate ways from uh the left hopefully with a peaceful secession

00:55:43.780 but uh yeah some of these uh violations of our free speech rights are serious human rights abuse 0.80

00:55:50.140 i mean we we we have a right to say even inane or stupid things you know offensive jokes or whatever

00:55:57.860 but uh we're not just talking about that you know when when a lot of the uh people in the the right 0.94

00:56:03.520 wing will talk about things like the great replacement and they'll refer to it as uh white

00:56:09.080 genocide or they'll talk about a genocide uh that it might be occurring against white farmers in south

00:56:15.620 africa and then you you see these leftists saying that that should be censored because it's disrespectful

00:56:21.400 to the holocaust or whatever else like that like they say that it's a conspiracy theory

00:56:29.060 uh i mean even if they were right about that which i don't think that they are uh because there is a lot

00:56:37.800 of violence is being done towards white people and there is uh great changes uh in demographics through

00:56:43.600 immigration that are currently ongoing that's not a conspiracy but even if it was a conspiracy let's say

00:56:49.640 you have to protect the right of people to say hey we're afraid of violence we're afraid of the

00:56:55.540 threat of genocide against our people because uh do you really trust the government to to say

00:57:01.280 oh no uh don't listen to them we're not doing a genocide you know uh they're just uh giving

00:57:07.340 disinformation trust us when we censor them no that's not going to work that's a major

00:57:13.400 human rights violation yeah exactly uh no it is it is and that was was that part of uh the case

00:57:21.340 kind of that you're um involved in one of them right now tell us more about that

00:57:25.680 um the um well the free speech aspect of it is uh that there was a heckler's veto that was uh done to

00:57:36.260 the charlottesville protesters uh what heckler's veto means is basically that the government uses uh a

00:57:44.340 an anticipated uh violent reaction from counter protesters to shut down uh free speech rights in

00:57:53.820 um in the name of public safety and that's been constantly ruled to to be uh illegal and um and we're

00:58:02.540 fighting that right now there's uh enormous prejudice against us where where uh precedents that have

00:58:08.440 applied to other people for for uh decades maybe even centuries in some cases are being questioned

00:58:17.260 you know just because uh we're unpopular uh with you know the establishment and uh there's a lot of

00:58:25.200 rethinking our basic civil liberties among the left right now as they make this uh shift towards

00:58:30.740 authoritarianism but that's why these cases are so important even though it's been four years since

00:58:36.920 charlottesville people some people might say it's over why are we talking about this trust me the major

00:58:42.880 impacts are still happening because this is the one of the founding myths of the censorship regime

00:58:49.160 and they're trying to ram through really dangerous uh precedents in the court saying anytime you

00:58:55.080 defend yourself that you don't have defense there's no such as defense for uh quote unquote uh nazis

00:59:00.720 or quote unquote racist and um and it's just too uh dangerous there's too much civil disorder to

00:59:07.480 allow these people to speak uh etc etc so uh what they want is for people to take their eye off the

00:59:14.560 ball on this stuff yeah they're taking this very very very interesting uh view on this that basically

00:59:19.920 if you it's the issue of incitement right where basically i mean potentially anybody could be

00:59:27.840 angered by anything that anybody says right it's all that's very uh subjective right it has to do

00:59:33.660 with your what you would you believe or whatever right and it's this impossibility that they're

00:59:37.900 and but it that doesn't stop them they're they're moving ahead with this that basically like if someone

00:59:42.580 says something which could reflect negatively on somebody or whatever then that is basically

00:59:46.980 equated to uh incitement and that means uh it could lead to a real world harm it could lead to

00:59:52.640 violence being done and therefore all these people that say things that we disagree with

00:59:56.660 uh the things that we hate to hear that should be dubbed hate speech and therefore be silenced and

01:00:01.820 and shut down but it's like again no functioning society can can operate like that for for very long

01:00:07.860 because again it's just going to be broader and broader definitions of this and anybody that that

01:00:12.600 opposes uh the regime whenever it's uh shifting its strategy or or seeking to do no new draconian

01:00:19.220 things are going to be roped up in into that and that's why it is important for people if they

01:00:23.540 truly are you know free speech advocates if they still believe that people do have rights you know

01:00:28.280 that they must look at cases like this and like the one you're involved in and others as well

01:00:32.560 especially after january 6th right um that it they're going to come for everybody eventually in

01:00:39.280 one way or another like if if you're you you have to have total obedience and maybe not even that

01:00:44.460 there's still no guarantee even if you obey everything to do every uh thing that they tell you to do

01:00:48.740 and you submit to that it still doesn't guarantee that they won't come for you at the end of the

01:00:53.160 day but they're seeking to begin with these outliers so to speak because they think that that that's

01:00:57.900 where the most um i guess support for for censorship lies uh but as usual jason it never ends there it

01:01:06.400 never stops and and if a government if a ruling class enters onto this path and realize that this

01:01:11.900 is actually something that's working we we can silence our opposition we can silence unpopular ideas

01:01:18.080 uh they will never seize on this they will never end on that they will continue and it will

01:01:23.920 take more and more and more right right and so the specific issue that's at play in our offensive

01:01:30.340 case against charlottesville is whether police have a duty to protect protesters from a violent

01:01:36.380 reaction or whether they can just stand down and mill about and as you can tell that could have

01:01:42.920 wide-reaching ramifications not just for the alt-right but uh for any protesters anywhere uh including

01:01:52.420 you know milk a toast republicans rhinos whatever because uh even they are considered nazis and are

01:01:59.200 going to have uh violent um anti-speech extremists uh coming to attack their events so um what what the

01:02:08.040 deal is is that there is case law that says police don't have a duty to protect like they don't have

01:02:15.780 a duty to go to somebody's house and and stop a woman from being murdered by her abusive boyfriend

01:02:20.940 or something like the family can't then sue the police and say well why didn't you come but the

01:02:27.080 exception that has always been carved out is for the first amendment particularly if the police are

01:02:33.360 there you know so the police can't just stand and watch as a violent mob attacks the speaker and then

01:02:40.380 say and then wait and use that as an excuse to uh uh to muzzle the speaker um so the the police in

01:02:49.920 charlottesville were not just uh across town and we called them up and said hey can you come and protect

01:02:56.900 our speech and they said no thanks they were there watching it happen and that should have implicated

01:03:02.300 them uh to have a duty to protect and that's the issue that we're trying to tease out right here

01:03:08.300 and that is basically going to have uh a major major historical impact um you know if america

01:03:17.380 continues as a country that is uh because forevermore after this case basically there's going to be a

01:03:25.000 precedent of either people are going to be scared to leave their homes they're not going to want to do

01:03:29.520 uh protest anymore uh unless they have a popular uh uh point of view that's protected by the regime

01:03:36.960 uh because they don't really need the protest the police can entrap them whereas if we win the police

01:03:44.000 are going to have uh precedent on the book saying no you have to show up you cannot ever do what you

01:03:50.080 did in charlottesville again right and again uh if it is a popular opinion or if it's endorsed by the

01:03:56.320 regime you don't really need the protest it's you know it's like it's represented by the highest halls

01:04:01.020 of power anyways what does it matter right so you need the very point of of something like the first

01:04:06.320 amendment or your right to protest uh is to protect the the opinions that are not popular right that's

01:04:13.060 the very very reason for it otherwise what you don't need it kind of thing right but so um so again

01:04:19.100 tell us uh you know what you what you're what you're doing with the legal defense fund and all that

01:04:22.820 stuff and we'll talk about the websites where people can go to help uh you guys out uh but also

01:04:27.480 do what do you feel about this thing then that um there is no do obviously you think it's worth it so

01:04:33.980 i'm not uh saying that you don't but what do you think about this idea that the legal system is also

01:04:38.780 part of this it's also part of the system right it's part of the corruption uh if you try to do

01:04:43.360 something legally it's very hard to get honest people honest judges etc uh that actually are looking

01:04:49.960 objectively at these things as opposed to just being politically motivated what would you say to

01:04:54.320 that well um i i mean we've faced substantial challenges in the charlesville case uh you know

01:05:01.440 i've exposed several of the law clerks working with the judge who um in some cases uh were friends of

01:05:08.540 the plaintiff uh elizabeth signs they took a photo where they're saying we're best of friends

01:05:14.800 i've had um you know other you know some of these people who are charlesville protesters uh were some

01:05:20.840 of the uh most prominent anti uh israel critics you know in the country and yet you have uh clerks

01:05:29.040 working for the judge who represented israel in major cases you know like his career law clerk uh robert

01:05:36.720 de rise uh represented uh the israeli ministry of defense in a case where uh the israeli military

01:05:43.560 boarded a uh uh flotilla that was full of aid workers bound for gaza and shot a bunch of people

01:05:51.460 killed uh 10 or more people uh another one of the activists who helped the judge when he was ruling

01:05:57.920 on whether to dismiss the case outright uh was actually in israel working on um whatever the

01:06:05.820 repatriation uh trips that they have and she was posting uh images of the rally saying we have to

01:06:12.280 stand against these people no matter what so i'm not saying that we're not uh uh encountering

01:06:17.640 significant challenges but if you look at my record that has been uh silenced by the media in a lot of

01:06:23.800 cases i've won a lot of things right you know in the aftermath of charlottesville i didn't do anything

01:06:28.800 wrong so i've never been charged with a single crime to do with the rally but i was charged with like

01:06:34.200 five different uh crimes you know like bs stuff brought by antifa activists or biased prosecutors

01:06:42.100 but i beat every one of them i beat every one of them i've gone and i've represented myself uh suing

01:06:49.240 antifa activists uh for uh for a fighting word statute i won that i represented myself in this freedom of

01:06:56.780 information act case i won that in our current uh public records act case uh even though that's uh

01:07:03.820 still being resolved we've gotten all these admissions about the phone being wiped or damaged

01:07:08.760 or whatever uh i've gotten a uh preliminary order from the judge ordering the city of charlottesville not

01:07:15.720 to destroy any more of this evidence i mean we are quietly racking up a laundry list of victories

01:07:22.920 victories so this is the big enchilada i think for people to decide whether or not the legal system

01:07:30.280 still represents us because i you know i know i'm biased here but we did not do anything wrong in

01:07:37.480 charlottesville not criminally not civilly and uh we should win this case by all uh rights and i think

01:07:45.280 that um it's going to be a bellwether for for uh how things are going to be in the country because

01:07:51.240 but i want to give 100 effort and i and i'm asking for other people's help in helping to get us across

01:07:59.480 that uh finish line from the financial standpoint because we have to know we can't have any regrets

01:08:05.060 we can't uh allow it to be like well we're just going to be okay with um with uh commenting on social

01:08:13.960 media until we get deplatformed and then oh well and we also can't allow it to be like the heimbox of

01:08:20.220 this world they're going to make us resort to violence this is our pathway uh is to try and beat

01:08:26.640 them in court and i think we have a damn good chance of winning this in an environment where we are

01:08:32.580 constantly losing because we're represented by fair weather friends and people with weak knees 1.00

01:08:39.060 who don't really represent us and give in we're not going to give in i'm not going to give in i've

01:08:44.840 been fighting i've been putting my own money into this for four years uh i've been doing my own

01:08:50.220 research we have an attorney that is tough and represents our interests and um and we can get

01:08:57.340 a real substantial victory against the activist left with this case uh i mean we we're so used to

01:09:04.920 getting uh vicarious victories uh like trump you know his uh electoral victory felt good but then he

01:09:13.220 put all these cronies in office and really didn't get much done this can be our victory really us not 0.89

01:09:20.120 some vicarious you know um avatar like trump um and so in order to do that we're up against the

01:09:29.340 substantial challenge of these uh this integrity first to give you an idea of how much money they

01:09:35.440 have yeah it's probably uh 20 million dollars by now they had nine million dollars as of 2018 which

01:09:42.960 is the last time they released their financials um they put down a deposit just a deposit of two

01:09:50.240 hundred thousand dollars uh for uh a hotel like a whole like level of the hotel where they can put

01:09:57.440 their legal team and basically all the most demonic uh left-wing authoritarian uh pro censorship anti-white

01:10:05.680 people spLC adl msnbc journalists uh all of the worst people that you can think of are going to be 0.88

01:10:14.180 there and they're going to be like uh demons about to come out of the gates of hell uh before the you

01:10:21.360 know the the the the the book of revelations or something and we have a chance to put them back

01:10:29.220 in their hole uh by defeating them uh we don't need even a we only need a fraction of the money that

01:10:35.940 they have but it's still a substantial burden because like i'm saying just me individually i'm

01:10:42.580 paying thousands of dollars per month and i do that because this is my mission but uh we do need some

01:10:48.840 help when it comes to the trial because this is going to be a four-week trial uh they're going to

01:10:53.720 try to make charlottesville the trial into a propaganda event and this is your chance to try and uh

01:10:59.680 uh and head that off before it's too late and you're like wow this is a big deal it's going to be a big

01:11:07.840 deal and and the way that you can help us prepare is by going to give send go dot com forward slash utr

01:11:17.120 um or it and you can make a donation there anonymously if you want or you can put your name on it

01:11:24.000 whatever is your preference uh that money is not being held and and you don't know whether it's going

01:11:29.980 to go to the attorney it is going directly to our attorney james clinic in the clinic uh law firm and he

01:11:36.920 gets that immediately they send the money the gives and go is a christian fundraising site that has been

01:11:42.200 very strong uh raising money for dissonance um it raises money for little girls with cancer but it

01:11:48.780 also raises money for uh proud boys and uh january 6 protesters and and now i've seen it attacked

01:11:55.680 heavily jason heavily attacked in the media for uh again for just enabling people to raise funds for

01:12:01.480 their cases it's it's insane uh the the how dirty and the the tricks that they pull to to basically

01:12:07.900 uh if there ever was like a david versus goliath kind of you know scenario that would be there

01:12:13.140 would be something like this right because you have the biggest most well-funded uh you know

01:12:17.700 machines when it comes to uh fighting back against people both after charlottesville but also after

01:12:22.740 january 6th they don't want these people at all to be able to defend defend themselves they just want

01:12:27.400 to go straight to jail and just like you know rot in solitary confinement for uh 20 years or something

01:12:33.060 like that that's how nuts it is that's exactly right and when we we're so lucky to have this

01:12:38.160 website and that's why people should take advantage of this you know like right now in case something

01:12:43.140 changes because you never know what's gonna happen tomorrow but uh when we first put up this website

01:12:48.820 you know the uh the opposition integrity first and their executive director uh amy spitalnik were

01:12:55.500 tweeting about it how is how horrible it is that we had a fundraising site yeah and and basically

01:13:00.720 creating fake disinfo themselves she was um claiming that uh our greatest supporter our greatest

01:13:09.000 supporter was at 1480 uh 14 hh which she said means the 14 words plus heil hitler but if you actually

01:13:18.140 click on who that twitter user is and anybody can go to it themselves at 14 hh it's 14 holy helpers

01:13:25.300 a catholic death ministry for children and so like she's totally making up this info um and and she 1.00

01:13:33.420 had reporters that were responding to her like uh will carlis from usa today right out in the open on

01:13:39.540 our twitter feed uh and he was saying show it to me right but so so far you know i mean it's been a few

01:13:45.440 weeks since that and they haven't been able to de-platform us good and uh we've been steadily raising the

01:13:50.720 funds that we need for this case perfect yeah imagine my shock they're seeing uh uh nazis and

01:13:56.460 and hitler things everywhere and everything is a code and a yeah wow crazy uh all right so it's the

01:14:02.580 charlottesville legal defense fund it's uh give send go.com forward slash utr and then you set up i

01:14:08.740 guess a website that it gives a little bit more uh info as well uh yes give us our own website which is

01:14:15.600 uh utrdefense.org and with that website you can find a variety of options to donate not just to

01:14:23.800 give send go you can send through venmo cash app there's a bitcoin address there's also the physical

01:14:30.720 mailing address for our attorney's law firm if you want to uh mail a check or cash and that's uh

01:14:38.160 um utr like unite the right utrdefense.org all right very good and and again clarified this was

01:14:48.820 the um so this is the kind of offensive lawsuit right is is there any uh like defensive lawsuit

01:14:54.660 still uh happening as far as you know well this is the defensive lawsuit we're fighting against this

01:15:00.840 uh major uh 20 million dollar or whatever okay apologies that's my fault i thought it was so fast

01:15:06.740 okay never mind uh okay the offensive case is still ongoing but that is on appeal in the fourth

01:15:12.680 circuit court okay basically the the precedent is on our side we should win that but we have to win

01:15:19.040 the defensive case first if we if we beat the the defensive case we're going to win the offensive case

01:15:25.600 all right very good all right guys so that's the website right there if you want to help out

01:15:30.060 definitely check it out uh gives and go.com slash utr or if you want to go to the website and again

01:15:34.540 a couple of different options right there in the top right hand side corner utrdefense.org

01:15:39.680 and i have them down in the lower third as well under jason's name let me pull that up real quick

01:15:44.920 so you guys can see what else uh jason is worth talking about here right at the end before we wrap

01:15:50.520 up um well anything personally you want to talk about how things have changed for you or how it's been

01:15:57.040 like again if you don't want to share any of that that's totally fine but uh anything left here we

01:16:02.020 should uh go over before we wrap up well there's so much that i can't talk about about my how my life

01:16:08.240 has been over the last four years and and it's probably better that there is so much uh misinformation

01:16:13.960 you know like my wikipedia profile is totally fake uh all you know yeah me yeah uh and and that

01:16:22.180 everybody knows they're run by left-wing people but yes you know that that's given me a little bit of

01:16:27.360 space to try and re-establish my life because i was just uh shattered after the event but i think

01:16:33.100 i would like to give people a little bit of hope um you know as far as for people who are doxed i

01:16:38.880 wasn't doxed but i had the the full weight of the media and their disinformation campaign coming after

01:16:45.740 me but i i took that pressure that was on me and i knew that i either had to be strong and fight like

01:16:54.800 i'd never fought before and do better in my life than i'd ever done before or just collapse and maybe

01:17:00.000 become a homeless person or a drug addict or something and drown my sorrows and that's not

01:17:05.400 what i'm interested in i'm not interested in giving up this fight uh somebody had to uh hold the line 0.91

01:17:11.500 and i want to be the person do it these uh these left-wing uh sickos you know they've made me stronger 0.98

01:17:19.900 than i've ever ever been in my life and i'm very proud of that and hopefully i can share that story

01:17:25.000 which might be useful to people one day after this is all over yeah no definitely it's not the end

01:17:31.140 of your life you you have to be strong you have to be creative yeah exactly and again i mean keep in

01:17:36.020 mind of again the people that are attacking you on this level and why why would anybody care what

01:17:43.200 these people think right they're they're the worst of the worst right completely just uh uh you know

01:17:49.600 at every turn it's just it's lies and it's propaganda it's subversive it's uh underhanded

01:17:55.580 tactics and you know i mean it's like it's nothing uh should get you down about if there's someone in

01:18:01.680 the establishment that are like you know throwing shade your way i'd say actually the opposite that if

01:18:06.140 they do attack you that means you're over the target and actually means something good it means

01:18:09.420 you're doing you're doing the right thing pushing back against this because if these people if these

01:18:13.740 people get their way uh that that'd be it i mean that'd be it uh that that imprison everyone that

01:18:20.180 they uh disagree with and and people that they think are repulsive or something i mean that go after

01:18:24.560 them they put them in you know gitmo type camps or something um but yeah no it's good to see 0.98

01:18:29.800 still going strong and uh and fighting back and pushing back against this and and as you said you

01:18:35.320 know kind of what doesn't what doesn't kill you uh needs to make you stronger and and stuff like

01:18:39.900 that so that's very good uh so one once more here givecentgo.com slash utr down in the lower third

01:18:45.080 right there you have uh the websites utrdefense.org as well um thank you jason appreciate your time

01:18:50.860 uh good luck with the case please keep me updated and we can have you back if there's updates or

01:18:54.900 something like that too absolutely and thank you so much for having me on we really appreciate it

01:18:59.620 awesome thank you jason take care all right there we go folks thank you to jason for joining us we're

01:19:05.400 going to wrap up here shortly i just wanted to let you know that we are doing a no-go zone today as

01:19:10.780 well um we will it will be a little bit delayed though what are we here we're uh almost 30 minutes

01:19:16.740 away from normal start time i i am going to need a couple of hours uh to just uh collect some stuff

01:19:22.520 but so most likely what eight eight p.m eastern something like that uh i would assume uh i'll keep

01:19:30.600 you guys updated uh might even take longer than that but i might have built the startup sooner as

01:19:34.640 well we might not do a full two-hour one but but i do have some uh important stories to talk about so

01:19:39.500 i will do that uh but yeah otherwise uh help the guys out if you feel that this is a worthy cause and

01:19:46.360 i think it is i think that uh it's good that people are fighting back against this and these

01:19:49.900 organizations that have targeted people and people have gotten their lives ruined in the

01:19:55.300 wake of this uh people have killed themselves they've committed suicide uh after all the pressure

01:19:59.880 that they were subjected to after all the media campaigns and all that uh stuff that we talked

01:20:03.960 about right so um websites gives and go.com slash utr head on over there and then of course again

01:20:10.260 the main website uh that jason set up here is utrdefense.org uh check those out if you feel

01:20:15.940 inclined definitely help out and it's for a good cause i believe all right boys and girls uh thank

01:20:21.880 you so much again for joining us here live uh we will be back here shortly then uh or probably in

01:20:27.020 a couple of hours or so uh i'll give you guys a little ping on our telegram our twitter and our gab

01:20:31.920 account a little bit before we go live with the no-go zone but i thank you for your time uh pleasure

01:20:38.660 actually let me do there was a couple of uh other super chats let me just do those real quick

01:20:42.740 here uh two more imminent rain promethean hailed so hard thank you imminent rain good to see you

01:20:47.180 uh thank you for joining us niefelheim as well with uh a comment gut moose gut moose it's um

01:20:53.100 uh it's a slang in gothenburg uh where i'm from for uh for for for good stuff it literally means uh

01:20:59.480 good mashed potatoes there you go it's actually a true true story gut moose all right boys and girls

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Red Ice TV - July 22, 2021

What Happened In Charlottesville - Jason Kessler

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