Red Ice TV - When The Pendulum Swings Back with Kevin DeAnna

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00:00:29.980 I'm driving down the street. I'm bored with looking good. I got both hands off the wheel. The cops are coming.

00:00:51.980 I'm listening to the music with no fear.

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00:03:04.740 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:03:33.740 Thank you for joining us here at Red Ice.

00:03:34.740 I'm Henrik.

00:03:35.740 Glad if you're joining us live on Rumble X Twitter

00:03:38.740 or, of course, on our websites,

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00:03:42.740 It is...

00:03:43.740 What is it today? Holy smokes.

00:03:44.740 Schedules all kind of whack this week

00:03:46.740 because, of course, it's Thanksgiving in the US.

00:03:49.740 So Thursday is on the 27th.

00:03:52.740 What do we got here?

00:03:53.740 25th of November already, 2025.

00:03:56.740 Hope you're all doing very, very well out there.

00:03:58.740 So today I want to talk about a theme

00:04:00.740 that we've kind of been covering on and off a little bit,

00:04:02.740 which has to do with, like, what happens next, right?

00:04:05.740 We're seeing all the signaling from the Trump administration,

00:04:07.740 specifically when you look at their Department of Homeland Security

00:04:10.740 with their ICE raids and everything else.

00:04:12.740 And, of course, the other side, right? 1.00

00:04:14.740 The Democrats, the shit lips, the spiteful mutants. 1.00

00:04:17.740 They're seeing this as an incoming fascist regime, right? 1.00

00:04:21.740 And we've always been kind of like,

00:04:22.740 well, is this even strong enough?

00:04:24.740 Like, what are the posts on X really doing from the Department of Homeland Security's account, right?

00:04:29.740 Is this really...

00:04:30.740 What's effective here?

00:04:32.740 Is the illegal criminal migrant deportations enough?

00:04:37.740 And what happens if we in 2028 or maybe then in 2032 get another administration

00:04:43.740 that just opens the borders wide open again?

00:04:46.740 Everything that is currently being done,

00:04:48.740 as far as I have been able to kind of deduce from the situation under the Trump administration,

00:04:53.740 is they're kind of just undoing the last four years of what Biden did

00:04:57.740 when it came to opening the borders and the illegal immigration.

00:05:00.740 Sure, obviously it's great if they undo that, right?

00:05:03.740 But what happens next, right?

00:05:05.740 Are they actually going after things to prevent that that change will happen?

00:05:11.740 What are they doing to secure the demographics in the U.S.?

00:05:14.740 And, of course, we're not under any kind of illusion here that Trump is going to fix this for us.

00:05:17.740 We have multiple questions about his allegiances, what the purpose of this is,

00:05:22.740 but just looking at it on the official level, right, at face value.

00:05:25.740 Like, what's really going on with this here?

00:05:27.740 And how will this mobilize the opposition once they are in power, right?

00:05:31.740 Because we know about the demographic situation.

00:05:33.740 It will be a brown lash.

00:05:35.740 There will be a brown wave, whether that's in 2028 or 2032.

00:05:39.740 But regardless, this is some of the stuff I want to talk with our guest about here today.

00:05:43.740 We got with us, well, last time he was with us, he went under Gregory Hood, right?

00:05:47.740 Writer for Amren.

00:05:48.740 You might know him on X as James Kirkpatrick.

00:05:51.740 But today he's here as Kevin Deanna.

00:05:54.740 Thank you, Kevin, for joining us.

00:05:56.740 It's great to have you back on the show.

00:05:57.740 Good to be here, man.

00:05:58.740 Great to be here.

00:05:59.740 Yeah, fantastic.

00:06:00.740 Under my own name, no less.

00:06:01.740 Well, there you go.

00:06:02.740 Exactly.

00:06:03.740 Congratulations.

00:06:04.740 Was that a soft dox or did that come out?

00:06:06.740 I mean, it's been doxed for years.

00:06:07.740 It's just, I mean, it's sort of lead into our discussion.

00:06:11.740 I mean, the whole reason you have all these different names and everything else is there

00:06:14.740 were certain things that were possible 15 years ago that just aren't possible now.

00:06:18.740 I don't think there's much of a reason even to keep a pen name or anything like that.

00:06:22.740 I mean, they know who you are and you really only can have one brand, one personality, one

00:06:27.740 message.

00:06:28.740 And right now, the idea of infiltrating the conservative movement or trying to be something

00:06:33.740 they're not or sneak around.

00:06:34.740 I don't think that's going to work anymore.

00:06:36.740 And I think the Trump administration is going to have to confront that pretty quickly.

00:06:39.740 I mean, if they're going to be accused of being these things, they're going to have

00:06:42.740 to actually be these things or they're going to be treated like they are, even if they don't

00:06:45.740 go the whole way.

00:06:46.740 Yeah.

00:06:47.740 Otherwise, it just serves to antagonize, obviously, the opposition.

00:06:50.740 And we'll get into that.

00:06:51.740 We'll set the right framing for this here.

00:06:52.740 But I do want to mention real quick here, too, that Caminiana is really one of the sharpest

00:06:56.740 minds that we have in this movement sphere, whatever you want to call it.

00:07:00.740 There is no movement, but yes, you know what I mean, right?

00:07:03.740 Right.

00:07:04.740 And his monologues on his show, Identity Politics, are brilliant.

00:07:08.740 They're sharp.

00:07:09.740 They're concise, evocative to the point.

00:07:11.740 Excellent order, the way he delivers these monologues and stuff like that.

00:07:15.740 I've really been enjoying them, Kevin.

00:07:16.740 So good job on Identity Politics.

00:07:18.740 Thank you.

00:07:19.740 How long have you been doing it?

00:07:20.740 Like three months or something like that?

00:07:21.740 How long is that now?

00:07:22.740 Like three months, yeah.

00:07:23.740 Yeah.

00:07:24.740 Basically just started.

00:07:25.740 Excellent.

00:07:26.740 Well, I'm enjoying it greatly.

00:07:27.740 Great guests on there as well.

00:07:28.740 So definitely, guys, make sure you check that out.

00:07:30.740 And of course, it's not only that you're...

00:07:32.740 I mean, this is one of the problems.

00:07:34.740 This is related to the whole issue that I brought up in the beginning here, that it's not

00:07:38.740 only just about looking at the MAGA conservative movement, what's wrong with conservative

00:07:42.740 Inc.

00:07:43.740 But that's kind of part of it, right?

00:07:44.740 Because that is...

00:07:45.740 It's sad to say, but that is kind of like the closest thing we got to try to get some

00:07:51.740 type of our policies into the picture.

00:07:53.740 Yeah.

00:07:54.740 And time and time again, they're failing, they're betraying, they're cucking.

00:08:00.740 There's just no strength whatsoever there.

00:08:02.740 And of course, you come with a background of actually being a writer more or less for conservative

00:08:06.740 Inc.

00:08:07.740 I think you more or less coined, right?

00:08:09.740 Yeah.

00:08:10.740 Yeah.

00:08:11.740 I mean, it's definitely best of times, worst of times, because if you look at where we

00:08:14.740 were 15 years ago, speaking as somebody who was in conservative make at the time, I mean,

00:08:18.740 you'd be overjoyed if you could see the future and be like, these are the policies

00:08:21.740 that are being implemented.

00:08:22.740 This is the rhetoric that's coming from the administration.

00:08:24.740 This is the guy in the White House and what he says.

00:08:26.740 But then you look at the actual demographic consequences and what we got coming down the

00:08:31.740 pipe towards us, and it's not enough.

00:08:33.740 It's not enough.

00:08:34.740 It's not near enough.

00:08:35.740 And it may just be setting us up for something much worse in the future.

00:08:38.740 Exactly.

00:08:39.740 That's what I think, too, to be honest.

00:08:41.740 I think it's...

00:08:42.740 Look, we can sit here and argue, is it intentional? 1.00

00:08:45.740 Are they just stupid? 1.00

00:08:46.740 Is there something else going on? 1.00

00:08:48.740 And that's kind of a fun discussion to have.

00:08:50.740 But regardless, we kind of just have to look at the reality in front of us.

00:08:53.740 And what I'm seeing, and I think you reiterated that on your show as well, and it's

00:08:57.740 kind of at the same time, I was like, I'm trying to piece this together.

00:09:00.740 Like, what's happening?

00:09:01.740 And I do have a couple of screenshots there.

00:09:03.740 But, like, we've talked about the Department of Homeland Security specifically with their

00:09:08.740 eyes.

00:09:09.740 They're doing these kind of meme, schizo-edit meme videos now.

00:09:12.740 Right.

00:09:13.740 They're doing, like, you know, protect the homeland.

00:09:15.740 They're using...

00:09:16.740 The other day, it was the Department of Labor, which used this post, which was a dream worth

00:09:22.740 fighting for, right?

00:09:23.740 It's a 1950s family.

00:09:25.740 It's probably...

00:09:26.740 I'm not sure if that's a famous painting, actually, or if it's AI.

00:09:29.740 Sometimes they use AI.

00:09:30.740 Sometimes it's a painting.

00:09:32.740 But regardless, they're sitting in a church here.

00:09:34.740 It's all white. 0.94

00:09:35.740 This is like catnip to libs and spiteful mutants, right? 0.95

00:09:39.740 Yeah, right.

00:09:40.740 This is like showing...

00:09:41.740 I made the comparison.

00:09:42.740 This is like showing that family out of Man in the Hightower.

00:09:45.740 That's basically what that is, right?

00:09:46.740 Right.

00:09:47.740 But if you're getting none of the policies from any of that to actually deal...

00:09:51.740 This is the Department of Labor, right?

00:09:53.740 So they're talking about like, oh, we got to get out of the...

00:09:55.740 You know, the illegal immigrants need to go. 1.00

00:09:57.740 We're standing up for the American worker type of thing.

00:10:00.740 But then you have at the same time H-1B programs.

00:10:03.740 Trump just talking about bringing...

00:10:04.740 What was it?

00:10:05.740 600,000 Chinese students, right?

00:10:09.740 Gotta save our university system.

00:10:11.740 Apparently, we need Chinese students to save that. 0.99

00:10:13.740 Why we need to save the university system is one question.

00:10:15.740 But what good is it to save it with Chinese students is another. 1.00

00:10:18.740 And again, this is dumb. 0.99

00:10:19.740 Like they can't have dual loyalty. 0.99

00:10:21.740 What...

00:10:22.740 Have they not discovered this already?

00:10:23.740 There's like some Chinese worker somewhere that's like just selling trade secrets over 0.97

00:10:27.740 to the CCP, right?

00:10:29.740 Or just giving it to them.

00:10:31.740 Basically. 0.98

00:10:32.740 It's like retarded. 1.00

00:10:33.740 It's... 0.92

00:10:34.740 That's why I'm like, it's gotta be someone who's smart along the line here that knows

00:10:37.740 what they're doing kind of thing, right?

00:10:39.740 But as you said, I mean, let's look at the universities themselves.

00:10:43.740 If they had a genuine interest in actually going after Antifa, right?

00:10:47.740 The anti-fascist action or movement.

00:10:49.740 Well, then you have to start looking at the ideology and the root cause of why these people

00:10:54.740 believe what they believe.

00:10:55.740 Then you all of a sudden end up in this...

00:10:57.740 Not only like, you know, the academic world, obviously, with all these professors pumping,

00:11:02.740 churning out these Antifa, you know, soldiers essentially at these universities.

00:11:07.740 It's in the Hollywood industry.

00:11:09.740 It's in the media.

00:11:10.740 It's in the music even.

00:11:11.740 It's in the cult.

00:11:12.740 It's steeped into the culture itself.

00:11:14.740 And here it goes like, let's save the universities that is actually kind of undermining him and

00:11:19.740 have been one of the preeminent attackers of him and his policies, right?

00:11:23.740 Right, right.

00:11:24.740 I mean, there are a couple of different things going on here.

00:11:26.740 First of all, in terms of the policies that we've actually seen, we should acknowledge

00:11:30.740 some things that we have gotten.

00:11:31.740 I mean, first of all, legal immigration basically has stopped.

00:11:34.740 I mean, this is something that was the number one issue in the 2024 election.

00:11:38.740 Trump delivered on it.

00:11:39.740 Trump delivered on it very quickly.

00:11:40.740 And what's significant about that is for the longest time, Republicans as well as Democrats

00:11:45.740 have said, you have to offer amnesty if you want to secure the border.

00:11:49.740 And actually, you can just do it.

00:11:51.740 You can just do things as they say.

00:11:52.740 It's over.

00:11:53.740 It's done.

00:11:54.740 The problem is now that that's done, that in some sense was the easy issue.

00:11:59.740 And now it's off the table.

00:12:00.740 And also, fundamentally, I mean, if this were 20 years ago, it'd be like we won.

00:12:04.740 The country is safe.

00:12:05.740 But right now, it's just kind of a defensive measure.

00:12:08.740 It just prevents things from getting worse.

00:12:10.740 And the rot is already very deep.

00:12:13.740 Just to undo what the Biden administration alone did would take a remarkably extensive effort.

00:12:21.740 And I think that leads me to my next point, which is what the Trump administration is failing on.

00:12:26.740 It's not necessarily that they're not going all the way in terms of what they want to do, but they're facing a remarkable amount of resistance from the bureaucracy and especially from the Democrats, of course, but especially from the courts where you essentially have every random judge just parachuting in in every single case and saying, well, this guy who's got an active deportation order, I just don't think you're allowed to send him away.

00:12:51.740 Actually, you're not allowed to operate in these areas.

00:12:54.740 Actually, I'm a Democratic mayor.

00:12:56.740 I'm not going to allow ICE to operate in my city and everything else.

00:12:59.740 I mean, you essentially have to fight a counter insurgency just to enforce immigration law.

00:13:05.740 And all of us are here saying, well, OK, if that's what it takes, you got to you got to do that.

00:13:10.740 I mean, this is the country at stake.

00:13:11.740 But I don't think the Trump administration fully understood what it signed up for.

00:13:16.740 I think they expected a bit more obedience from law enforcement, local law enforcement, even in these blue states.

00:13:23.740 And I don't think they expected the courts to go as hard as they did.

00:13:26.740 And the second point, of course, is that with H-1Bs, with the university system, with corporate America, and of course, it's endless lust for cheap labor. 0.90

00:13:34.740 The Trump administration simultaneously is trying to be this radical overthrow the elite style regime.

00:13:43.740 But also we have to manage the economy in a certain way.

00:13:46.740 We have to work with the tech companies.

00:13:48.740 We have to work with the rich.

00:13:50.740 We can't get rid of all the illegals right away because then food prices go up and we lose the next election. 1.00

00:13:55.740 You see them making all sorts of exceptions with this industry and that industry.

00:13:59.740 The problem is we have a system in this country now that is so dependent on illegal labor that there are going to be extensive short term costs solving the problem.

00:14:08.740 And I'm not sure the Trump administration.

00:14:10.740 It's not just that the Trump administration might not be willing to pay those costs.

00:14:13.740 The American people might not be willing to pay those costs.

00:14:16.740 Well, and let's be frank here.

00:14:18.740 Look at the state of the economy overall, 38 trillion in debt.

00:14:21.740 What if they do slow down?

00:14:22.740 The whole thing might just grind to a halt, right?

00:14:24.740 It could just collapse essentially.

00:14:27.740 Right.

00:14:28.740 So I'm not sure if that's part of the equation or not.

00:14:30.740 But I mean, Trump was, he was kind of partially, we need someone who can run the country like it's a business.

00:14:35.740 I mean, I forget if that was the first.

00:14:36.740 That's what got us in this mess.

00:14:37.740 Right.

00:14:38.740 I know.

00:14:39.740 But like a country is not a business.

00:14:41.740 And if you are a business, the way to make money in this country and the way people do make money in this country is you essentially privatize the benefits and you dump the costs on the taxpayers.

00:14:52.740 You're you're hiring illegal laborers.

00:14:55.740 You pay them very little, but they get food stamps from the public.

00:14:58.740 They get health care from the public.

00:14:59.740 They get all sorts of services from the public.

00:15:01.740 You don't have to pay those things.

00:15:03.740 But somebody still does.

00:15:05.740 These costs are still spread around for all of us.

00:15:08.740 And the bill is coming due.

00:15:10.740 I mean, essentially the last, what, 40 years of American prosperity have essentially been fake and funded by debt.

00:15:17.740 I mean, if I just don't care how much my credit card bill reads, I can buy all sorts of fun stuff.

00:15:23.740 I can look like the richest guy in the world, but at some point you do have to pay it back.

00:15:26.740 I wonder about that, though.

00:15:28.740 I was looking at, do you know what the global, like, I forget, it's not debt to GDP ratio.

00:15:33.740 It's just a global debt overall.

00:15:35.740 I'm not sure if you saw any posts on that or whatever.

00:15:37.740 It's gone around a while ago.

00:15:38.740 It's like, yeah, it's like 10 times more than what the U.S. owns.

00:15:41.740 It's like 350 trillion.

00:15:43.740 Right.

00:15:44.740 And then you're like, right.

00:15:45.740 Who do you owe this money to?

00:15:46.740 Really?

00:15:47.740 Right.

00:15:48.740 It's.

00:15:49.740 Yeah.

00:15:50.740 It's.

00:15:51.740 It's a secondary theory where I say like, oh, well, you know, household.

00:15:54.740 Yeah.

00:15:55.740 If you're a household, you got to pay it back.

00:15:56.740 And it's like, OK, yes.

00:15:57.740 I mean, actually, a government is not like a household.

00:15:59.740 The government can can just print more money.

00:16:01.740 And actually having the world's reserve currency does allow you to do certain things.

00:16:05.740 This is all very true.

00:16:06.740 But there are limits.

00:16:08.740 And we're also in a situation now where the United States does not command the global economy the same way it did at the end of the Cold War.

00:16:16.740 And certainly what's really incredible, especially go back to those Chinese university students, is when you look at these economic policies, how are they always justified?

00:16:25.740 We need to have all these H-1B laborers because we have to compete with China. 1.00

00:16:29.740 We need to have all these immigrants because we need the world's best talent.

00:16:32.740 We need to do all these things.

00:16:33.740 We have to be China. 0.97

00:16:34.740 We have to be China. 0.97

00:16:35.740 Well, what is China doing?

00:16:37.740 China is not bringing in 20 billion Indians.

00:16:39.740 China is not throwing their production facilities overseas.

00:16:42.740 China is not handing away their national destiny to foreigners.

00:16:45.740 China is not letting businessmen determine politics.

00:16:48.740 If say what you will about the Chinese Communist Party, but everybody knows that they're the ones in charge, not the businessmen. 0.71

00:16:54.740 They'll like the businessmen make money, but they're not letting them make the political decisions.

00:16:58.740 If you were actually serious about competing with China, you would not be doing the things that we're doing.

00:17:04.740 Yeah, which makes you think that a lot of this is just a cover.

00:17:07.740 Now, I actually I think I'm a little more lenient on President Trump than a lot of people in our sphere, because I remember what Peter Brimel said all the way back in 2016.

00:17:16.740 He's sort of like King Kong.

00:17:18.740 He just kind of gets up there on the top of the Empire State Building and roars, but he actually doesn't have that much power to do the things that need to be done.

00:17:26.740 And if he dared to do those kinds of things, if he tried to go, I'm not even going to say Abraham Lincoln, but just like FDR, where you just like assert powers and try to do these things in the name of saving the country, which he's hinted at on occasion, but never quite done.

00:17:41.740 The amount of resistance that he would face is beyond description.

00:17:45.740 Yeah, unfortunately, I think we're at a point now where it's not so much a failure of political will, although it's partially that it's not so much a failure of the Republican political coalition being necessarily compromised because you have all these capitalists that want cheap labor in it, although it's partially that it's not just a question of Israel, although it's partially that, too, certainly when it comes to foreign policy more than any other lobby.

00:18:07.740 But it's also just the system itself is now incapable of solving these systemic crises.

00:18:13.740 It is rigged to always kicking the can down the road.

00:18:16.740 It is rigged to never making the hard choices.

00:18:18.740 And also, nobody's sovereign.

00:18:20.740 Nobody's in charge.

00:18:22.740 Nobody can get anything done without some bureaucrat or some judge or some NGO apparently being able to stymie the whole thing.

00:18:29.740 This is no way to run a country.

00:18:31.740 No, it's not.

00:18:32.740 And isn't that part of the reason why Marjorie Taylor Greene kind of quit? 1.00

00:18:36.740 She's just like, I can't do anything.

00:18:38.740 I'm done.

00:18:39.740 And say what you will about her.

00:18:40.740 But at least it was a rage quit.

00:18:41.740 Basically, it was right.

00:18:42.740 And towards the end, at least, it was like she was beginning to get fairly good on like Israel and stuff like this.

00:18:48.740 Right.

00:18:49.740 I mean, she was kind of queuing on borderline cookie for a while there.

00:18:52.740 But, you know, I'll take it.

00:18:53.740 You know, at least someone who can like just be a wrecking ball, as you said, and kind of just stir the pot a little bit.

00:18:58.740 Right.

00:18:59.740 Well, I think this gets to the fundamental flaw with the American system at this point.

00:19:04.740 First of all, we're all grown ups here.

00:19:05.740 We all know that the Constitution failed a long time ago, and the Constitution has nothing to do with how America is governed.

00:19:11.740 Joe Sobern famously said that our Constitution presents no obstacle to our system of government.

00:19:16.740 If you look at Congress at this point, and I think Marjorie Taylor Greene, unfortunately, is a classic example of this.

00:19:22.740 They're just influencers, aren't they?

00:19:24.740 Right.

00:19:25.740 Right.

00:19:26.740 I mean, they don't read the legislation.

00:19:27.740 They don't really have power.

00:19:28.740 No important decisions are coming from Congress.

00:19:31.740 I mean, anything truly important is either asserted by the executive, and then we all just kind of look to the courts to see if they'll approve it or not.

00:19:38.740 And most of the time, it's actually judges that just sort of assign whatever policies they feel like, and we all just kind of shrug and go, okay, well, that's just what we got to do.

00:19:47.740 Or it's the regulatory bodies or it's the bureaucrats. 0.94

00:19:50.740 Yeah.

00:19:51.740 And Congress itself just doesn't work.

00:19:54.740 And I think the reason, and this is true of even some of the better congressmen, if you look at somebody like Thomas Massey, I mean, in some sense, he's just kind of an influencer.

00:20:02.740 He just kind of makes speeches, creates content.

00:20:05.740 But if you're like, well, what is actually being done here?

00:20:08.740 The answer is nothing.

00:20:09.740 And I want to make the point.

00:20:11.740 It's not necessarily his fault.

00:20:13.740 It's just Congress as a body has sort of lost its function.

00:20:18.740 The entire way our system is designed to operate broke down a long, long time ago.

00:20:23.740 And yet we're still just going through the motions.

00:20:26.740 And you'd think even then a Massey, right, would, I mean, and again, he's doing some good things to his credit.

00:20:31.740 I mean, zero APEC money as far as we understand it.

00:20:34.740 He's actually criticizing America's foreign policy on behalf of Israeli interest and stuff like that.

00:20:39.740 Right.

00:20:40.740 But then you can just buy a politician.

00:20:41.740 Look at Miriam Adelson coming in and putting like 20 million down into, was it Galleran or something? 0.96

00:20:47.740 His opponent in Kentucky.

00:20:49.740 You could just buy politicians now. 0.98

00:20:51.740 It's just ridiculous.

00:20:52.740 The question is, even if you have the ones who are good, let's say, on whatever you think the most important issue is, what is actually being done?

00:20:59.740 Even if you say like, okay, he's making a speech on this.

00:21:01.740 He's criticizing this.

00:21:02.740 It's just content, right?

00:21:03.740 Right.

00:21:04.740 We're not actually seeing the policy consequences.

00:21:06.740 And what we've seen over and over and over again is that you actually can't get any major policy things done through Congress.

00:21:12.740 I mean, the only real thing that the Trump administration has been able to do legislatively was the big, beautiful bill.

00:21:19.740 And the main takeaway from that was the huge funding increase for ICE and a few other immigration control things.

00:21:25.740 Yeah.

00:21:26.740 Other than that, everything has just been done via executive order.

00:21:29.740 And I think it almost has to be.

00:21:31.740 I mean, one of the frustrations with this whole and Trump himself has hinted at this, quoting Napoleon on occasion and things like that.

00:21:38.740 He who saves his country violates no law.

00:21:40.740 Yeah, he's memeing.

00:21:41.740 Yeah, it's fake.

00:21:42.740 You can joke, whatever else.

00:21:43.740 But I do think we're sort of at a point now where there are two polls forming as far as how people think American government should actually work.

00:21:53.740 One is what they refer to as our democracy, where we vote, but everybody kind of, and maybe even more people vote, vote by phone, as some Democrats are saying.

00:22:02.740 But we all kind of know that's not really who runs things.

00:22:05.740 It's councils of experts.

00:22:07.740 It's the bureaucrats. 0.99

00:22:09.740 It's the administration.

00:22:10.740 It's these people you've never heard of.

00:22:12.740 And they just kind of govern things in all our interests and things just move on.

00:22:16.740 I mean, basically the way the country was governed during COVID, I think, is sort of their model for how things should go.

00:22:21.740 And the counterpoint to that, I think, is what Trump has suggested implicitly, but is not the guy to go all the way with, which is you actually have a strong executive to do what Bukele has done in El Salvador,

00:22:33.740 which I think is the only way you can solve these problems.

00:22:36.740 You actually have to cut the Gordian knot with a strong executive.

00:22:39.740 Yeah, that's right.

00:22:40.740 But we're still waiting for that.

00:22:41.740 What about the injunction, like stopping the injunctions and then, but they're still doing it.

00:22:46.740 Now, did nothing come from that?

00:22:48.740 I mean, I didn't follow it up that detail, but I remember for a while, like, we're going to, we're going to make sure that they can't just a random judge somewhere can just step in and say, this is not approved, whatever.

00:22:57.740 What do you know what happened with that?

00:22:59.740 What's interesting is that a lot of the lower courts at this point are not just defying the president, which in theory, I guess they could do.

00:23:07.740 But they're actually defying the Supreme Court in some ways.

00:23:10.740 The Supreme Court has ruled basically, well, you can't do this.

00:23:13.740 And then these lower judges are saying, well, we are still going to do it.

00:23:16.740 We're still going to have these binding rulings on the whole country.

00:23:19.740 We're still going to have these binding rulings on this and that.

00:23:21.740 And now it's going to go back to the Supreme Court and we're going to see whether the Supreme Court is willing to really throw down and say, no, this is the highest court in the land and you have to do what we say.

00:23:31.740 But the problem is that there's not really, to go back to the flaws of the system, this is the biggest thing that the framers got wrong.

00:23:38.740 They expected the judiciary to be all but powerless.

00:23:42.740 After all, it has no troops to command.

00:23:44.740 There's nothing that it can use to compel obedience.

00:23:47.740 But I think what they got wrong was that, first of all, they didn't anticipate how litigious American society would be where everything gets settled by the courts.

00:23:55.740 But more importantly, they thought that politicians would be ambitious and power hungry and they would want to make the decisions themselves.

00:24:05.740 What they didn't understand was that, especially after the party system, politicians want to be in office, but they don't want to take any responsibility for hard decisions.

00:24:15.740 They're more than happy to let the courts decide anything of importance while they make speeches and generate content and raise money.

00:24:23.740 And that's the situation that we're in now.

00:24:25.740 The only real check that you have on the judiciary is to impeach judges and they're not going to impeach judges.

00:24:33.740 And even if you did impeach judges, you're not going to be able to convict these judges because no Democrats are going to vote for it.

00:24:38.740 So what you're left with, if you're the Trump administration, and it's not like there is a precedent for this in American history, is basically the Andrew Jackson solution, where you just say to hell with these people.

00:24:48.740 They've made their decision, let them enforce it.

00:24:50.740 But then you're raising the stakes again.

00:24:52.740 And you can imagine what kind of street opposition you're going to see if you try that.

00:24:55.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:57.740 Which, you know, begs the question.

00:24:59.740 And again, I mean, we know about the background and the funding and the, you know, from the Adelsons to other interests here in terms of Trump, how he's bailed out by Wilbur Ross at the time, right, to kind of use Trump as a brand and stuff like that.

00:25:09.740 Because let's go back a little bit on that.

00:25:11.740 I always thought, look at what happened after, what is it, during Obama, right, you have the rise of the Tea Party movement.

00:25:17.740 Is that right, 2008-ish, something like that, right?

00:25:20.740 Give or take.

00:25:21.740 And there is a, I think there's a rising tide in the country.

00:25:25.740 And I think the people who are, you know, up there and monitoring these things, which is their job to do, they realize, like, we are having a movement and a momentum on our hands here.

00:25:34.740 There is a true, you know, resentment, a grassroots movement building.

00:25:39.740 And I think, personally, that someone along the lines said, if we don't give them anybody to channel this through, that's actually when things become dangerous type of thing, right?

00:25:49.740 So I think Trump was kind of a good bet because, as you said, he's kind of a King Kong, right?

00:25:54.740 He's a wrecking ball. 0.97

00:25:55.740 He's a bull in a china. 0.57

00:25:56.740 It's fun, right?

00:25:57.740 He's memeing. 0.99

00:25:58.740 He doesn't give a shit about certain things. 0.99

00:25:59.740 And although that's kind of a necessary process just to, like, kind of break up this rigid, like, well, this is Paul, this is serious business type of thing, right? 0.99

00:26:08.740 Just to break that system up is very, very important.

00:26:11.740 And certainly he's done that.

00:26:12.740 But we haven't gotten, like, really anything out of it.

00:26:16.740 There might have been a large swath that was genuinely concerned and afraid what Trump was going to do during his first administration.

00:26:24.740 And then I think they found out, okay, it was kind of largely toothless.

00:26:28.740 But, okay, let's not have him again.

00:26:30.740 They do the whole Biden thing, COVID, all this crazy stuff happens right there, right?

00:26:34.740 But then he gets in again a second term, right?

00:26:37.740 And now you're seeing allegiances and people who were totally against him in the first administration lining up right behind him.

00:26:44.740 And one of these, of course, were many of the tech bros, the Silicon Valley crew, all these ex-PayPal mafia guys.

00:26:50.740 I mean, Elon's kind of part of that.

00:26:52.740 Peter Thiel, Mark Andreessen, of course, even David Sachs, who was very critical of Trump.

00:26:58.740 He had the all-in podcast. 0.99

00:27:00.740 They were doing, like, shitting on Trump all the time. 0.97

00:27:02.740 He became the crypto and AI czar and stuff like that. 0.95

00:27:05.740 And you're getting what looks like very decisive moves ahead from their point of view, very good advancements on the AI front.

00:27:17.740 But again, on the migration thing, on the legal immigration front, on all these other things, we're not getting at all that much but memes and edgy posts on the internet.

00:27:28.740 Would you agree with that assessment?

00:27:31.740 I guess my question would be this.

00:27:34.740 I do not think that with the system as it is, the president is capable of removing even just the illegal immigrants from this country without defying court orders, without defying Congress to some extent, without taking personal charge of the military and essentially ordering them to do these things. 0.71

00:27:53.740 Now, the question becomes this, would the hard right in this country, the people who are demanding these things, support the president if he did that?

00:28:02.740 And furthermore, are you willing to basically throw down with the entire left, which is going to take to the streets to prevent this?

00:28:09.740 I don't think it's a question so much that he's backing down on the immigration issue, although I think there's certainly plenty to criticize when it comes to legal immigration.

00:28:19.740 But let's just focus on the main thing of where are the mass deportations, right?

00:28:22.740 What's standing in the way of the mass deportations are not just every single state and local democratic administration in the country, but it's essentially every single federal judge that's not allowing these things to take place.

00:28:34.740 He has to break the law essentially to enforce the law at this point.

00:28:39.740 And he's also not even going to get support from his own party.

00:28:43.740 Right.

00:28:44.740 This is the essential thing.

00:28:46.740 We're all saying, why doesn't he do this?

00:28:48.740 Why doesn't he do this?

00:28:49.740 Why doesn't he do this?

00:28:50.740 If you actually want him to do this, he's basically going to have to create an occupation government.

00:28:56.740 That's how it's going to have to be.

00:28:58.740 How is that?

00:28:59.740 How do you actually get there?

00:29:01.740 How is this possible when these are illegal migrants? 1.00

00:29:05.740 I just I don't know the laws, not the laws, not a thing.

00:29:09.740 I mean, if if there's one thing we've learned over the last few years, it's that the rule of law is not if it ever has been a thing.

00:29:17.740 We now see judges just openly declaring, look, I do not punish black and brown defendants because I'm one of them and I want to be more lenient for them for these sorts of things.

00:29:27.740 We have seen judges not even use the Constitution to justify the rulings.

00:29:33.740 I think one of the greatest ones I ever saw was when the Supreme Court of Hawaii said that though the U.S. Constitution grants a right to individual firearm ownership, Hawaii tribal communal practices do not.

00:29:46.740 And therefore, you actually don't need to recognize these things.

00:29:49.740 Now, you have to ask yourself, I mean, it's easy to snicker, but what exactly is the cure within the system for these types of things?

00:29:57.740 What happens when you have a set of rules?

00:30:00.740 You know, everything is ultimately premised upon the Constitution and the people whose job it is to interpret the rules say, actually, I don't have to obey this thing.

00:30:08.740 The only way you can stop that is you have to have people in Congress or people in Congress either impeach these people, which they're not going to do, or you have to have people in the White House say, we're just not going to listen to these people, which thus far the Trump administration has not done.

00:30:22.740 But like one of those two things needs to happen, if not both.

00:30:26.740 Otherwise, we're all just kind of talking to ourselves.

00:30:29.740 And as far as tech, the tech bros go, and as far as Silicon Valley goes, there's not, you have to ask yourself this, if you take charge of the United States of America, you are now managing the economy.

00:30:40.740 Is there any situation where you're not going to cater to the most powerful companies in the country, not just to keep the economy going, but also because with something like SpaceX, that is the United States space program at this point.

00:30:54.740 If you're looking at the military, Anderil and all these other companies that are coming up, that is basically going to be the US military going forward with drones and everything else.

00:31:03.700 There's no scenario where any kind of government takes power, where these guys are not going to have a seat at the table.

00:31:10.800 The difference, of course, is to go back to the Chinese example.

00:31:14.560 I think if you looked at something like China, it's very clear that the political leadership and the people who have a national interest are the ones in charge.

00:31:23.680 Whereas I think here, corporate America sort of thinks of the politicians as their errand boys.

00:31:30.280 And you certainly see that with the issue of H-1B immigration more than anything else.

00:31:34.700 Again, you would think this would be under the clause of like national security.

00:31:38.900 Look at how much how they could do against an individual, right, in the name of national security.

00:31:43.900 Look at Alex Karp or someone who's running Palantir or whatever, right?

00:31:48.160 They have Oracle backbone, you know, data centers and all that stuff.

00:31:50.840 And by the way, just a quick mention of that.

00:31:52.720 Basically, the US economy is afloat right now because of the build out of AI data centers.

00:31:58.300 It's like basically the majority of it.

00:31:59.800 But anyway, Alex Karp is constantly like talking about Israel and Israeli interest and going after, you know, anti-Semites or Palestine protesters and stuff like that.

00:32:09.160 You have the Sam Altman's on one side.

00:32:11.580 You have Larry Ellison and, you know, with the Project Stargate and then Mashushi Sun, whatever it's the soft bank CEO or like drawn in.

00:32:19.580 And you think if we can figure out that, like, wait a minute, they might not even actually have, quote unquote, America's interest at heart.

00:32:28.080 How is there no one in the official, you know, government there at the administration that can kind of figure that out too?

00:32:34.520 I think they're aligned with them.

00:32:35.660 Obviously, that's my answer.

00:32:36.620 But I'm saying supposedly these would be questions of allegiances, right?

00:32:41.520 Same thing with the Chinese students, as you said. 1.00

00:32:43.500 Like how can they be so dumb? 1.00

00:32:45.500 Like on the face of it, did we just be like, well, clearly we've got to train Americans, right, of European stock. 1.00

00:32:51.880 If they're memeing about it and posting about it, they should know.

00:32:55.600 I don't know.

00:32:56.060 Maybe I'm expecting too much.

00:32:58.540 I'm not sure, Kevin.

00:33:01.420 The question is allegiance to what?

00:33:03.360 I mean, this kind of gets to the fundamental thing of what is America at this point?

00:33:06.960 Because for most of American history, it would have been common sense.

00:33:09.560 You would have said America is a white country. 0.63

00:33:11.380 Full stop.

00:33:12.200 I mean, this was in our first naturalization law.

00:33:14.080 This is what I talk about in identity politics.

00:33:16.020 Fundamentally, the issue is race.

00:33:18.060 But this is clearly not the American mainstream at this point, whether I like it or not.

00:33:22.880 And it's clearly not legal doctrine anymore.

00:33:25.160 Once you sort of fall into a, well, not even a civic identity at this point, but sort of a, it's an economy.

00:33:31.460 It's a nation of ideas.

00:33:32.820 It's about freedom.

00:33:34.200 It's about making money.

00:33:35.880 Once you have these sorts of things, there's not really a way to compel loyalty from these sorts of corporate figures.

00:33:44.080 I am not, for one, particularly troubled by some of the technology that some of these tech companies roll out.

00:33:52.060 What I'm troubled by is who controls them and what ends are going to be directed toward.

00:33:56.820 Because you better believe if we were in power, we'd be using these technologies.

00:34:00.240 Because if you don't, you're going to be crushed by those who do.

00:34:03.180 This is the nature of the world.

00:34:04.400 There's no scenario where you just can't use these things.

00:34:08.020 But the question becomes, what is it that is America's interest and who determines this?

00:34:13.400 Because if we don't even have a common definition of what it is to be an American, all that's going to happen is whoever do have real tribal loyalties, be it the Israel lobby, or even if you look at something like Minnesota, like the ability of the Somalian community to rally political power.

00:34:28.860 They're the ones who get to call the shots, or at a much more cynical level, it's just corporate America trying to get cheap labor and dumping the costs on the taxpayer, which I think is what's really happening in a lot of these cases.

00:34:41.320 I don't think there's any single person who has sort of a long-term strategy for what America's national interest is anymore.

00:34:48.760 And I think as far as President Trump goes, what's great about him is also his flaw, which is that he's fundamentally a product of the 80s, right?

00:34:58.240 I mean, he, in his hive brain, so to speak, he still remembers an America that was kind of brash and swaggering and defined by certain ideas, but it was still like 80% white and he knew what it was. 0.87

00:35:11.040 And you could not really have to talk about race because it wasn't the most important thing.

00:35:15.120 And I think like a lot of older conservatives, he just sort of takes for granted that that's just going to continue forever.

00:35:22.580 But that's not the nature of the world.

00:35:25.180 And I think the new generation of conservatives and certainly of young nationalists, if you're under 40 years old and you're white, you don't even know what it's like to have a country.

00:35:36.900 You've never even seen the United States.

00:35:39.840 You don't even begin to understand what it is to have a nation state.

00:35:44.220 And instead, it's just this feeding frenzy for every other nationally minded group in the world to come and take your stuff.

00:35:52.240 And to ask President Trump to understand that is essentially to ask a, what, 80-year-old man to think like a 30-year-old, which is unfortunately an impossible task.

00:36:02.540 Some of the edgy Zoomers who are doing the schizo edits on DHS's official account, maybe they can let him know. 1.00

00:36:09.520 Anyway.

00:36:10.220 Yeah, really, we just have that guy.

00:36:12.080 Yeah.

00:36:12.580 Can he be in charge?

00:36:13.600 I mean, this is the fundamental question.

00:36:16.660 I mean, and I don't want to let this go just because it's something that we talked about.

00:36:21.320 Like, how do we – right now the Trump administration is doing just enough to – we're getting some good results, clearly.

00:36:28.660 But just enough to get the left really mad, right, and not actually solve the problem.

00:36:33.260 Very mad, I would say.

00:36:34.620 But yes.

00:36:34.940 Right, and it's – and we all also kind of know that this may be the one shot to actually, like, save the country.

00:36:42.200 Like, you really do need to get these people out of here.

00:36:44.560 Not, like, 1 million people, not 5 million people, but probably, like, 20 million people at least.

00:36:49.640 Yeah.

00:36:49.820 And that's just the illegals. 0.87

00:36:50.960 And there's probably way more than 20 million.

00:36:52.580 But that's, like, just as a beginning, not to mention getting rid of anchor babies, not to mention getting rid of all these other things.

00:36:59.300 And if you don't do those things, they're going to come for all of us.

00:37:02.800 And it's not really going to matter what you think of Trump or whether you didn't like him or whether you didn't vote for him.

00:37:07.880 To the people who matter, to the people who are going to have power, they're going to treat everybody the same.

00:37:13.280 And all the little distinctions and infighting just isn't going to matter.

00:37:16.720 So the question is, why doesn't the Trump administration go to the mat?

00:37:20.620 Because, look, these people are all going to go to jail.

00:37:22.980 I mean, who knows if President Trump will even still be alive at that point.

00:37:25.680 But a lot of the people in the administration, including ICE agents, by the way, and this has already been openly broached by some Democrats, are probably going to go to jail if the Democrats get back into power.

00:37:34.640 So why won't they go to the mat?

00:37:35.760 Because to do that, you're actually going to have to defy court orders.

00:37:41.180 You're going to have to defy Congress.

00:37:43.000 And you're not going to find a lot of conservatives who are willing to do that.

00:37:46.420 They fundamentally do not know what time it is.

00:37:49.900 Basically, we got to this point, I don't know, either too early or too late.

00:37:55.340 But we don't have a cadre in power that understands that this is an all or nothing existential struggle.

00:38:05.560 It's not it's not a debate club.

00:38:08.340 There's no way you can, like, win on this issue and convince the American people in two years from now, because right now people are voting based on race and ethnicity and religion.

00:38:20.260 And this is going to be the way of all politics going forward.

00:38:23.720 It's like Lee Kuan Yew said in Singapore.

00:38:25.780 In a multiracial society, you do not vote based on your class interest.

00:38:29.260 You vote on your race and religion.

00:38:31.000 And this is what it's going to be.

00:38:32.560 And that fundamentally challenges ideas that have defined the American right and the American conservative movement basically since the end of World War II.

00:38:42.900 We're basically saying to save the country, all the stuff that you good, naive and I love them.

00:38:50.020 But these good, naive American conservatives, all the stuff that you've believed for 70 years is completely wrong.

00:38:56.000 That's a tall order, man.

00:38:57.240 Yeah, I stand for the flag.

00:38:59.440 You know, I saw a bumper sticker the other day.

00:39:00.760 It was like, what is it?

00:39:02.820 You know what I mean?

00:39:03.120 Like, no, sure, of course.

00:39:04.760 But it's nostalgia, right?

00:39:06.280 Of a time that's not even there anymore.

00:39:08.720 It doesn't exist.

00:39:09.720 Right, right, right.

00:39:10.480 And there's a phony confidence to it.

00:39:12.480 I mean, how many times when you see someone in a hopeless situation, they kind of cover it up with a sort of bravado.

00:39:19.820 You know, if you're in a hopeless competition, the refusal to compete, to say like, oh, actually, I'm better than this becomes a kind of cope.

00:39:28.220 Right.

00:39:28.760 And that's essentially the position of the American conservative movement.

00:39:31.960 Like, we're America.

00:39:33.240 We can do anything.

00:39:35.040 We're America.

00:39:36.180 Of course, we can assimilate these people.

00:39:37.800 Of course, the flag will never fall.

00:39:39.320 It's like the flag has already fallen.

00:39:41.060 Yeah, I know.

00:39:41.820 There are whole cities and states that are no longer part of the country in any significant sense.

00:39:47.420 And to restore the United States, even as a meaningful entity, let alone what I think so many people in our sphere want, is going to require measures that are far more radical than I think many of the people in our sphere are even willing to tolerate.

00:40:03.880 So two things.

00:40:04.880 One is the law or the anarcho-tyranny application of the law.

00:40:09.740 Oh, it seems to kind of swing in that direction, though, that like the other side can actually break the law and actually violate, you know, whatever court orders or judges or something.

00:40:20.800 And they kind of get away with it, right?

00:40:22.700 By – and I'm not going to say our side, but while the other side, I'll say – they try to do something in that, oh, hands tied, everybody.

00:40:29.620 Everybody can't do anything, right, kind of thing.

00:40:31.680 So we know which ideology is the dominant one.

00:40:35.120 Because you have to look at America as a whole, right?

00:40:38.060 Okay, great.

00:40:39.440 It's a new administration.

00:40:40.940 But the permanent government, it's still there.

00:40:43.440 You didn't just fire six million federal employees, right?

00:40:47.340 You can't.

00:40:47.880 It's impossible.

00:40:48.620 And they tried.

00:40:49.440 Remember?

00:40:49.800 Remember?

00:40:50.120 Yeah.

00:40:50.280 Like when they brought in Doge and already, I mean, to go back to those court rulings, we're seeing court rulings being like, nope, you're not allowed to fire those people.

00:40:56.640 Nope.

00:40:57.220 President doesn't actually run the executive branch.

00:40:59.100 Actually, a random judge does.

00:41:01.020 Now, when somebody says that, like, these are things that happen.

00:41:04.200 Now, and you have to ask yourself, like, should the president just ignore that judge?

00:41:09.760 Is he willing to, what, command the military to make sure these government employees are fired?

00:41:14.200 I mean, if we're serious about, like, the president needs to go farther, he needs to do these things, like, this is what it actually takes.

00:41:22.420 And I don't think the president, leave aside whether he has the will or whether he wants to do it in his heart of hearts or even thinks about any of these things at all.

00:41:30.600 The question is, does he have the political backing to do something like this?

00:41:34.360 Maybe not from the public, but I can guarantee you he's not going to get it from the Republican Party.

00:41:38.880 Even though you have all these people saying the Republican Party is now completely subordinate to Trump, he's remade it in his image, this does not seem to be the case.

00:41:47.700 I mean, I think what a lot of us are consoling ourselves with is that Trump started the process, but now he's kind of standing in the way, right?

00:41:57.380 And the guy who comes next, he'll do what needs to be done.

00:42:00.180 And I think we have to be very concerned that what is happening after Trump is a return to 2012, not what the base Zoomer crusader that we're all hoping for in 2032.

00:42:11.680 Yeah, I mean, I remember that.

00:42:13.620 When was that?

00:42:13.980 Was that September?

00:42:15.600 Trump brought in all the generals to the Quantico, right?

00:42:19.460 Inborn of a war from within and all that stuff.

00:42:21.440 And, you know, it was almost like this, like, are you with me, bro?

00:42:25.300 Like a little measure, temperature measurements, like, and they were, like, not at all on board.

00:42:30.780 They were not, what it looked like, they were not at all on board, you know what I mean?

00:42:33.440 No, no, no.

00:42:34.520 I mean, look at what's happening just in the last, just a few days ago, right?

00:42:39.240 You had Mark Kelly, you had a number of Democratic politicians, senators, and they're giving a warning to the military and to the intelligence community, saying, you know, you don't actually have to obey what the president tells you.

00:42:51.600 You actually need to start, and what they're really saying there, and, of course, the president kind of flipped out and, I think, fell into a trap that nobody had actually laid for him, saying, this is sedition and we should, like, shoot them or something.

00:43:03.560 It is kind of funny, incidentally, that, like, the president of the United States can just, like, call for the execution of all these guys, and we're just like, oh, that's our president.

00:43:11.720 Like, it's not even a big deal.

00:43:14.040 But what they were really saying.

00:43:15.500 It's goofy but necessary, you know, at the same time.

00:43:17.720 Yeah, but, like, you know, and then, of course, he didn't, of course, do it.

00:43:21.420 Then it's like, oh, fell for it again, Ward.

00:43:23.060 Yeah.

00:43:23.360 But what they were really saying, what these Democratic officials were saying, and, of course, this is becoming a thing now because they're talking about, you know, court-martialing Mark Kelly or whoever else,

00:43:32.460 is what they were telling government employees, the military, ISIS, you need to be very cautious about obeying the president because we're going to come back and we're going to remember the people who did what President Trump said.

00:43:47.580 And we are going to punish those people and we're going to make sure that this never happens again and that those people who went along with these things are held accountable.

00:43:56.800 I think one of the biggest right-wing myths, and you and I know this, and I think many of the people watching this know this, but I don't think your average American conservative knows this.

00:44:05.340 One of the biggest right-wing myths that really needs to die is this idea that the CIA or the average FBI agent or the average general in the United States military is some Douglas MacArthur hard-right super-patriot.

00:44:20.380 That is not true.

00:44:22.000 They are more or less disconnected from any kind of American identity, and they see us as a problem population to be managed.

00:44:30.000 And that's what, fundamentally, President Trump has been dealing with this whole time.

00:44:33.880 Well, again, it shows you kind of the different theaters and even the Epstein thing.

00:44:41.460 Such an important thing, right?

00:44:43.440 Like the Epstein thing.

00:44:45.500 It's like, oh, we got to release it.

00:44:47.880 There's nothing in there.

00:44:48.760 Okay, well, here's a redacted.

00:44:50.460 And it's back and forth.

00:44:51.800 And you're not going to get anything, okay?

00:44:54.180 We're not going to get anything on this, right?

00:44:56.060 Yeah, there's two critical things there with the handling of that.

00:44:59.620 First of all, President Trump's coalition includes what would be called low-propensity voters.

00:45:05.540 I mean, basically, the people who do not come out to vote except for Trump.

00:45:08.820 And this is a population of voters that are more given to conspiracies.

00:45:12.220 This is a population of voters that are more given to certain explanations of how politics actually works.

00:45:17.340 Well, guess what?

00:45:17.880 They're part of your coalition, which means you've got to give them something.

00:45:20.840 And this leads me to the second point.

00:45:22.260 Nobody forced the Trump administration to say this is phase one of the Epstein release files.

00:45:26.560 Do you remember that?

00:45:27.360 Yep. 0.99

00:45:27.640 Where they had all the influencers go to the White House and they had this stupid thing where they're holding up the things. 0.98

00:45:32.300 Nobody made you do that. 0.98

00:45:34.100 That was your idea.

00:45:34.800 Yep.

00:45:35.440 And then you can't be like, well, actually, there are no files.

00:45:37.940 Well, then what the hell did you give these people?

00:45:39.480 I know.

00:45:40.180 I mean, this is political malpractice at the highest level because now it's any excuse you give for why you're not just like dumping everything is self-discrediting.

00:45:52.020 I mean, let's just go all the way with it.

00:45:53.400 Like, let's say President Trump himself was implicated with whatever thing.

00:45:58.320 And none of this is particularly new.

00:45:59.820 I mean, Trump and Epstein, this goes back to 2015, 2016.

00:46:02.700 I can't imagine, like, what amazing thing is in there that we didn't already know about or hadn't already been leaked.

00:46:07.840 But let's say there's something really bad.

00:46:09.780 Frankly, if he had just released everything from the beginning, I think he probably would have gotten away with it.

00:46:13.800 Now, if there's anything in there that's even not particularly bad but any kind of contact or guy he knows or whatever else, now it's going to look that much worse.

00:46:24.480 And this is sort of the whole problem with the Trump administration's strategy.

00:46:29.720 And, again, I don't think it's 100 percent on them.

00:46:32.400 I think they're constrained by institutional barriers that we don't really understand.

00:46:38.080 I mean, you're getting defied.

00:46:39.940 They can't even trust that their own orders within the executive branch are going to be obeyed.

00:46:44.220 I mean, they've got the courts going after them.

00:46:45.940 They've got the bureaucracy.

00:46:46.760 You can't rely on the military.

00:46:48.080 You can't rely on the intelligence community.

00:46:49.780 You can't rely probably on half the people in the Republican Party.

00:46:52.040 But fundamentally, you can't simultaneously be, I am your vengeance, which is a President Trump quote.

00:46:59.720 I am your revenge on the political class.

00:47:02.040 And also, I am the guy who is going to manage the existing American system to a golden age.

00:47:08.220 You can't be both of these things at once.

00:47:10.780 And that's the contradiction at the heart of the Trump president.

00:47:13.120 Good point.

00:47:13.780 Yeah.

00:47:14.640 Yeah, very good.

00:47:15.220 Because let's say, what's the excuse they're giving us on the Epstein thing?

00:47:17.840 I mean, insofar as they offer one, it's like, well,

00:47:20.200 there are certain ties with how we gather intelligence or maybe ties with foreign powers,

00:47:25.320 or this could embarrass various relationships.

00:47:27.920 Let's say all that's true.

00:47:30.580 Why should we care?

00:47:32.520 Now, if you're trying to preserve the existing system, I understand why you should care.

00:47:36.560 But if you ran for office on the platform of let's burn it all down, then you should not care.

00:47:42.100 But you can't, what you absolutely can't, it can be one or the other,

00:47:44.800 but what you absolutely cannot do is run for office on the platform of,

00:47:49.320 we're going to release everything, we're going to burn it all down,

00:47:52.000 we're going to drain the swamp, and then say, you know what?

00:47:54.700 Actually, we're not.

00:47:55.960 Because what that does is that means all the populist energy,

00:47:59.780 all the anti-elite energy, all the anti-system energy goes to the left.

00:48:04.240 And that's precisely what you see now.

00:48:06.340 What happened in New York City is only the first sign.

00:48:09.300 Yeah, the indictments are coming, right?

00:48:11.220 There was into some Q thing or whatever.

00:48:12.600 And then, well, let's combine it.

00:48:14.500 Letitia James Comey.

00:48:16.220 It's just the same thing.

00:48:17.120 Well, yeah, but I mean, a judge, but I mean, this, that one you can't pin on Trump.

00:48:21.000 I mean, unless you say that they filed it wrong or whatever else,

00:48:23.500 which may be part of it.

00:48:24.680 Yeah.

00:48:25.060 But, you know, even if they did everything completely right,

00:48:27.920 they dotted every I, they crossed every T,

00:48:30.060 no federal judge is going to let that go through.

00:48:32.300 They're going to take one look and they're going to be like,

00:48:33.640 no, I like Tish James.

00:48:34.940 She's fine.

00:48:35.760 Let it go.

00:48:36.200 I'm just saying.

00:48:36.760 I mean, that's how the law actually works.

00:48:38.200 Well, no, that is true.

00:48:39.720 But these become, we, and it's not about Trump because as an individual

00:48:44.520 or like what he's trying to push through.

00:48:46.060 But the, I guess the, the, what do you call it in a comedy?

00:48:49.100 The coma around the, the halo around all of this is this constant,

00:48:53.740 oh, this thing over here and this thing over and this distraction.

00:48:57.720 Meanwhile, we're getting demographically replaced.

00:49:00.500 And the current government is pissing off the other side to give them the

00:49:04.400 anger, the momentum, the drive to drive us into the dirt when they get

00:49:09.820 the power, which they should have done now.

00:49:12.080 We're getting all of the memes, all of the signals,

00:49:14.520 all of the messaging, like this is a white nationalist.

00:49:17.900 I mean, look at some of the CNN pieces, right?

00:49:19.580 Like they highlighted this on social media.

00:49:22.220 The department of Homeland Security appeals to nostalgia with motifs of

00:49:26.000 white identity.

00:49:26.880 The SPLC, Homeland Security, deploys white nationalist anti-immigrant

00:49:31.580 graphics to recruit.

00:49:32.980 These, this is a Nazi in the, in the mainstream mind. 0.98

00:49:36.820 This is a fascist white supremacist administration. 0.96

00:49:41.220 And when they get power, as they will do, they will go after every single, 0.97

00:49:47.720 and ultimately it's the American people, the white American population that's

00:49:51.760 responsible for this, right?

00:49:53.220 And they, I'm not doing that.

00:49:55.400 They're going to put us in camps.

00:49:57.060 I'm not doing that argument, but I'm saying that in whatever way they can

00:50:00.500 make life hard and miserable, and ultimately, you know, if they have to

00:50:04.880 target us individually, they will, but just mass punishments, right?

00:50:08.840 Collective punishment.

00:50:10.240 Right, right.

00:50:11.260 Let's not forget, remember when Biden gave that speech in front of the

00:50:14.280 black and red background with the Marines behind him and everything else,

00:50:17.380 where he said MAGA is a threat to American values.

00:50:20.340 MAGA is a threat to the American way of life.

00:50:22.420 That is nothing compared to what's happening.

00:50:25.020 And there comes a point where if this be white nationalism, let's make the most

00:50:29.940 of it.

00:50:30.500 Like, you're going to get blamed for these things.

00:50:32.860 You might as well do these things.

00:50:34.000 Now, I am realistic.

00:50:35.280 I am not one of these people who says like, well, you know, if the Trump

00:50:38.640 administration just did everything that I believe, everything would be fine.

00:50:41.900 I mean, that's true, of course.

00:50:43.000 But like, I understand that I'm not in the American mainstream.

00:50:46.440 My position is not, unfortunately, 60% of the American public.

00:50:50.800 But I do know that if you suggest certain far right things and you don't follow

00:50:56.700 through with them, that's actually worse than going all the way.

00:51:00.220 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:01.300 Yep.

00:51:01.620 It's actually worse.

00:51:03.400 Right. 0.99

00:51:03.740 And so it begs the question, Kevin, like, is this, are they just fucking with us here? 0.98

00:51:09.660 It's just a big, do you see what I'm saying? 0.98

00:51:11.340 Because again, I had that idea with, I think, I think, I think the explanation, I'm going

00:51:15.860 to say this.

00:51:16.480 And I say this based on my time in the Beltway, right.

00:51:20.620 And this is honestly what I think it is.

00:51:23.080 They're just conservatives.

00:51:25.500 They don't, they don't fundamentally get it.

00:51:29.740 They don't, they don't understand that if the law says this, they think they can go to

00:51:36.220 a court and that the judge will say, oh, the law says this, you win. 0.57

00:51:40.240 And they don't understand that if they get a black female judge, she's just going to 1.00

00:51:44.020 say, well, I don't like these white boys. 0.98

00:51:45.780 So therefore I'm going to go with the other side.

00:51:47.620 They don't understand that democratic mayors will just be like, I like that there are all

00:51:53.180 these illegals in my city who will be my political base.

00:51:55.620 I do not care what the law says.

00:51:57.200 I do not care about federal law enforcement.

00:51:59.300 I do not care if federal law enforcement is being attacked.

00:52:01.900 In fact, I think this is funny.

00:52:04.660 Conservatives have this naive trust in institutions and they've been taught to have this trust. 1.00

00:52:10.220 It's not just because like they're stupid or something like that. 0.99

00:52:13.680 I mean, if you, if you're a young kid and you go to, you know, young Republicans or college 0.99

00:52:18.300 Republicans and you go through all these nonprofits and they teach you what to think as a conservative,

00:52:22.140 you are taught to trust in institutions and precedent and history and all these things.

00:52:26.220 But all of these things are downstream from race and identity.

00:52:29.380 Correct.

00:52:29.760 And that is the forbidden thing you cannot touch.

00:52:32.100 And until you grasp that, you're not going to get anywhere.

00:52:35.940 But of course, even after Trump, maybe especially after Trump, because the defenses, so to speak,

00:52:41.640 have been raised within the right wing, you still can't talk about race or identity and

00:52:46.860 still have a job within the conservative movement.

00:52:51.000 Correct.

00:52:51.640 I know.

00:52:52.260 Exactly. 0.99

00:52:52.760 And it's, it's pathetic. 0.98

00:52:55.060 It's just, I mean, I know they're like. 0.98

00:52:56.580 I mean, you saw that.

00:52:57.060 You remember that young Republicans chat leak just a few weeks ago.

00:52:59.820 Yeah.

00:53:00.340 Yeah.

00:53:00.520 I mean, that, how many lives were destroyed just from that?

00:53:02.980 And again, this idea that young conservatives, I think, take for granted fundamentally that

00:53:10.540 they're going to lose, which is why they look to work with the liberal media to take out their

00:53:16.520 internal enemies.

00:53:17.540 It's a game.

00:53:18.520 It's a way of making a living.

00:53:20.000 You get what you can get now, and then you move away and avoid the consequences.

00:53:24.100 There's not that, that faith in victory, that revolutionary spirit, this idea that we have

00:53:29.060 a world to win that you see on the hard left.

00:53:31.520 And that's what we need on the right.

00:53:33.480 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:34.340 And that's why they just have to die. 0.99

00:53:36.740 I mean, I know, not like we're going to be part of them. 0.99

00:53:39.780 No, yeah.

00:53:40.220 Age-wise, like they will actually just, they will die and a new, you know, but of course

00:53:44.920 that will also then be in America where white kids at that age are a significant minority

00:53:51.060 now.

00:53:51.440 You know what I mean?

00:53:51.700 So you have the demographic thing happening at the same time as these boomer conservatives

00:53:57.000 don't have the guts to stand up for their own kids and grandchildren, right?

00:54:00.420 And it's like, what does that look like?

00:54:02.040 I mean, that's the boomer contradiction. 0.51

00:54:03.200 Right.

00:54:03.480 I mean, on the one hand, we're going to miss these people like hell.

00:54:05.780 I know, I know.

00:54:06.940 Because they're like, they're the only people who know how to make infrastructure work and

00:54:12.280 can keep these institutions flipping along.

00:54:14.120 If you go to court, for example, you better hope that you have an old white boomer judge 1.00

00:54:18.780 because he's going to be the only guy who's actually going to follow the law and give

00:54:22.300 you some kind of a fair hearing, regardless of your politics.

00:54:24.720 Yeah.

00:54:25.280 But once they're also the group that is unwilling to break the institutions that they've been

00:54:33.440 brought up with to save the greater whole.

00:54:36.260 And I think the next generation of young white people, at least the ones who aren't successfully

00:54:41.640 programmed into being trans or self-hating or whatever else, those ones are going to understand 0.84

00:54:46.960 that we are a hated minority in a country that has been stolen from us.

00:54:50.760 The question becomes, do we have the numbers?

00:54:53.320 Do we have the organization?

00:54:54.460 Do we have the political will to do anything about it?

00:54:56.600 Right.

00:54:56.780 Because I promise you, like, it's going to be coming for us fast.

00:55:00.380 It's probably a bit too early to say, like, this is what's definitely going to happen

00:55:04.440 in 2028 because, you know, a lot can happen, frankly.

00:55:07.240 Yeah.

00:55:07.500 But I think it's at this point, given the way these elections are shaping up, given the

00:55:12.560 way some of these special elections are shaping up, it does not look good for the Republicans

00:55:16.440 in 2026.

00:55:17.780 No.

00:55:17.940 And at that point, the Trump administration is crippled. 0.95

00:55:20.560 Lame duck.

00:55:21.300 Nothing's going to happen.

00:55:22.400 And they can already.

00:55:23.940 But there will be even worse then.

00:55:25.500 Right, Kenneth?

00:55:25.840 I mean, it's everything that the Trump administration is doing on immigration and on a lot of these

00:55:31.280 executive orders.

00:55:32.200 I think a lot of it is fantastic.

00:55:34.580 I think a lot of it is like what I've been working for my whole life.

00:55:37.840 But it only makes sense if you're going to be in power for, like, 20 years.

00:55:42.960 Well, otherwise, this just isn't – these are just notes, basically.

00:55:48.060 They're notes you're passing around in class.

00:55:50.680 And, you know, the Trump administration, for example, I mean, this is something – 10

00:55:54.220 years ago, we would have been overjoyed at this if you said the federal government is

00:55:57.740 no longer going to tolerate anti-white discrimination in government hiring.

00:56:01.380 That's a big deal.

00:56:02.980 Getting rid of DEI within the government, that's a big deal.

00:56:05.200 That's not nothing.

00:56:06.260 But it's just an executive order.

00:56:07.860 So who cares?

00:56:08.820 Because the next administration can just get rid of it.

00:56:11.200 And what really scares me is I think – to go to your point about the Trump administration

00:56:15.940 hinting to the far right but not following through.

00:56:18.060 I think the lesson that the conservative movement and the Republican Party is that what we need

00:56:25.060 to do next time is Trump was too mean.

00:56:29.180 He went too far.

00:56:30.480 We need to go back to the friendlier policies of Mitt Romney or George W. Bush.

00:56:34.700 I mean, it was only a few days ago we saw that report from Breitbart talking about how the

00:56:38.440 Bush family, of all people, are plotting to retake the GOP.

00:56:41.980 Jeez.

00:56:42.680 Oh, my gosh.

00:56:43.420 Oh, boy.

00:56:44.420 It's like the Bourbons, right?

00:56:45.820 You know, they learn nothing, forgive nothing.

00:56:47.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:49.120 It's even worse than I thought.

00:56:51.420 We had his tweet from the State Department as well.

00:56:54.180 Mass immigration poses an existential threat to Western civilization and undermines the 1.00

00:56:59.160 stability of key American allies.

00:57:01.180 Today, the State Department instructed U.S. embassies to report on the human rights implications

00:57:06.300 and public safety impacts of mass immigration.

00:57:09.820 What's weaved into the statement here is a report on basically you're targeting your own

00:57:14.000 population that are critical of mass immigration.

00:57:16.140 Now, this is a great thing to see.

00:57:18.120 Fantastic.

00:57:18.860 Now, they're...

00:57:19.260 100%.

00:57:19.500 They have a...

00:57:21.820 The things that people, you know, kind of like us in 10, 15 years ago, whatever, like

00:57:26.580 talked about is now at the upper levels of the U.S. government.

00:57:29.960 Right.

00:57:30.060 And they're like putting pressure on the other European and Western allies governments to

00:57:34.360 say this is kind of, you know, bad, whatever, which is great, which is fantastic.

00:57:39.920 But then at the same time, you have this...

00:57:41.540 Look, we talked...

00:57:42.460 The theme is kind of like the pendulum, right?

00:57:44.320 It keeps swinging.

00:57:46.120 And the thing is, I'm also...

00:57:48.460 By bringing this up as a topic, I don't mean to like sound, well, there, you know, therefore,

00:57:54.080 we shouldn't meme and have fun.

00:57:56.040 And we should, you know, tone it down or whatever.

00:57:58.400 That's not what I'm saying at all, obviously.

00:57:59.820 I'm not saying you're saying that.

00:58:00.680 But like, no, derive it as hard as you can.

00:58:03.620 Harder even, obviously.

00:58:04.540 And the nature of the game is kind of this, like, you know, the other side will push back,

00:58:09.540 push even harder.

00:58:10.460 And let's be honest, that's how you tamper the sword.

00:58:13.120 We have to have some pressure.

00:58:14.780 We have to be pushed into a corner.

00:58:17.160 We have to literally understand what is happening right now is an existential threat to our entire

00:58:23.380 race, to entire folk.

00:58:24.840 This is what in every white country, the trends are the same. 0.69

00:58:28.160 The same things are happening.

00:58:29.740 A little bit of variation here and there.

00:58:31.200 But overall, we're all being demographically replaced, and they're basically trying to

00:58:35.480 shut down anyone who's organizing against that.

00:58:38.120 And we better wake up to that collectively.

00:58:40.080 We need the numbers.

00:58:41.560 We need more people to be getting out of their comfort zone and getting some of these pressures.

00:58:47.340 And if that's what it takes, Kevin, I mean, look, I can sit here and whine all I want about

00:58:52.460 this or that, but I'm not going to change the overall picture or the trends of these things.

00:58:56.420 And so we kind of have to play the cards we're dealt.

00:58:58.700 And this seems to be the nature of the beast right now.

00:59:01.880 You know, Teddy Roosevelt famously said, you know, speak softly and carry a big stick.

00:59:05.880 And the real danger of the Trump administration, because obviously, look, people in the administration

00:59:11.020 are listening to stuff we say.

00:59:12.540 This is great.

00:59:13.060 This is we would have given anything for this 15 years ago.

00:59:17.480 But one must ask, is it not better to have moderate statements on X or Twitter or press

00:59:26.640 releases or whatever?

00:59:27.520 Right.

00:59:28.020 And actually have harder consequences.

00:59:30.280 What I actually want is like some soft spoken lady in a pantsuit to come out and be like, 1.00

00:59:36.260 well, you know, we're just enforcing the laws as written in defense of liberal democracy.

00:59:41.320 And that's why we got rid of 10 million undocumented immigrants who didn't belong here or something 1.00

00:59:46.080 like that.

00:59:46.780 Yeah.

00:59:46.880 I mean, that's that's kind of what you want more, because right now we're we're pursuing

00:59:53.560 we tells you something right there that I said we thinking of what the administration

00:59:57.740 is doing on immigration policy.

00:59:59.640 Yeah.

00:59:59.780 But it's pursuing a strategy of tension, which is getting the left fired up.

01:00:04.980 Now, there might be a strategy to this in that you're expecting the left to overreact.

01:00:10.300 Oh, they're going to start shooting up ice stations.

01:00:11.960 Well, they already did that. 0.97

01:00:12.840 Yeah, they're going to start assassinating right wing political figures. 0.68

01:00:15.600 Oh, they did that, too. 0.64

01:00:16.620 Yeah.

01:00:17.000 Oh, they're going to start rolling out and attacking federal law enforcement.

01:00:19.980 Hey, they're actually doing that, too.

01:00:21.780 But the problem is, once they do those things, you have to use that opportunity to crack down.

01:00:26.940 And there, frankly, we just haven't seen it.

01:00:29.780 I mean, ask yourself this since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, has the left become more or

01:00:33.840 less emboldened?

01:00:35.260 More, more.

01:00:36.600 And the question is to answer it.

01:00:38.560 Yep, exactly.

01:00:39.880 Yeah, this is this is kind of just the nature of the game. 0.96

01:00:42.780 But I want I guess I want people to understand that, like, as we, you know, shit posed on the 0.89

01:00:48.420 Internet or whatever, and we're having a good time and we're allowed to have a little 0.95

01:00:50.920 fun with this, too, obviously.

01:00:52.000 So I'm not trying to do private. 0.98

01:00:53.200 It's desperately needed that we just like, you know, can vent and get this shit out of our 0.98

01:00:56.860 systems or whatever. 0.99

01:00:57.660 And it's good to piss off the enemy, radicalize that, radicalize all of them against us.

01:01:02.440 Right.

01:01:02.960 If that's if that's our way out of this situation, our situation, so be it.

01:01:07.980 Right.

01:01:08.280 Kind of thing.

01:01:08.680 So I'm of two minds at the same time.

01:01:11.060 But I just but I want people also be aware of the reality of this and take a moment to

01:01:17.280 kind of think about this with a sober mind, so to speak, of like, look, they will they

01:01:22.180 will come down hard.

01:01:23.660 Right.

01:01:23.940 That's just I think that's inevitable, to be honest, which doesn't mean that therefore

01:01:28.240 we shouldn't do it or we should try to play nice or get along with them or something.

01:01:32.260 They hate us.

01:01:32.860 And you've talked about this so many times on your show.

01:01:34.560 They hate us anyway.

01:01:36.880 It's our very it's who we are.

01:01:39.480 That is an original sin to them because we're white. 0.98

01:01:42.540 That's what they hate. 0.92

01:01:43.560 We are an enemy to them.

01:01:44.720 Right.

01:01:45.360 Right.

01:01:45.620 No peace is possible.

01:01:46.640 The thing that we have to consider is this and I want people to listen to this very carefully

01:01:52.100 because this is something I mean, you should actually feel a little bad about this.

01:01:55.160 And I think about this myself.

01:01:57.240 Your typical left wing, not even like hardcore leftist, but just kind of goofy liberal, the 0.80

01:02:04.100 type of people we make fun of. 0.93

01:02:05.580 Oh, they're rich, you know, rich, white, affluent, female liberals, whatever. 1.00

01:02:09.440 They are willing to work harder than you.

01:02:11.940 They will knock on doors.

01:02:13.660 They will chair meetings.

01:02:14.740 They will donate.

01:02:16.240 They will participate in all these committees.

01:02:18.500 They will go out of their way to get their political opponents fired.

01:02:21.680 A lot of the right wingers, especially those who will talk about how radical they are and

01:02:25.320 how hardcore they are and how these guys are not going far enough, will not even vote,

01:02:30.360 will not even organize a meeting.

01:02:32.960 Or if I don't believe in voting, OK, are you in a group?

01:02:35.980 Are you building a tribe?

01:02:36.920 Are you buying land?

01:02:37.800 Are you buying property?

01:02:38.720 Are you building networks?

01:02:40.240 Are you not doing any of these things?

01:02:41.500 You're just calling everybody a traitor online.

01:02:43.180 OK, well, guess what?

01:02:44.740 The soft, affluent female white liberal owns you and you're going to do what she says because 1.00

01:02:51.140 she's going to command state power and you don't. 1.00

01:02:53.460 We have to get ready for the fact that it doesn't matter how strong you are physically.

01:03:00.340 It doesn't matter how radical your ideology.

01:03:02.980 What matters is your ability to organize and wield state power.

01:03:06.860 And the other side is willing to go farther than we are.

01:03:10.100 And this can even be seen in the sort of things we make fun of them for.

01:03:14.420 I actually think neuroses is actually something of a political advantage.

01:03:18.760 Oh, if you look at polls, for example.

01:03:20.560 Yeah.

01:03:20.900 If you look at polls, for example, you see over and over and over again.

01:03:23.340 I mean, this is going to be important because we've got Thanksgiving coming up.

01:03:25.580 I'm sure a number of our friends are going to be dealing with this.

01:03:28.240 Who are the people who are more likely to break family ties over politics, break friendships, fire you, you know, disown their kids, disown their parents over political things.

01:03:39.700 Leftists are more willing to do those things.

01:03:41.540 And that's why they run everything.

01:03:43.380 Yeah.

01:03:43.500 I mean, this is the tragedy of mass democracy.

01:03:46.260 It shouldn't be this way.

01:03:47.760 Yeah.

01:03:48.140 This is not a natural way for people to operate.

01:03:51.020 But this is the situation we're in.

01:03:53.420 And we either have to cope with that or somebody needs to come up with a great idea of how you get rid of mass democracy.

01:03:59.360 Well, if we take them as a spiteful mutant gang, it's kind of a zombie-like entity.

01:04:04.080 They are not afraid of sacrificing one of themselves.

01:04:08.020 The rights still have to, like, basically pick a lane.

01:04:10.280 Like, oh, you're this great individualist or – because, again, the great sin within conservatism is to, you know, collectivize, right?

01:04:16.860 That's what the commies did or whatever. 1.00

01:04:18.740 The Nazis or some shit. 1.00

01:04:20.640 It's like if you don't collectivize, you're dead. 0.99

01:04:22.300 What if you woke, right?

01:04:23.000 This is crazy.

01:04:23.740 I'm out of here.

01:04:25.020 That's the argument.

01:04:26.180 So we've got to kind of pick a lane, right?

01:04:27.880 And it's kind of the same with the voting.

01:04:29.440 Like, okay, fine.

01:04:31.140 And, you know, it's a complex, big Venn diagram, and some people overlap here and there.

01:04:36.740 So there isn't a homogenous thing.

01:04:38.240 But that's part of the problem, right?

01:04:39.440 There isn't one way, you know, kind of thing.

01:04:42.300 And, therefore, we're shattered and broken up and splintered. 1.00

01:04:44.740 But in an ideal world, it would be like, you know, fuck voting. 1.00

01:04:49.560 It's gay. 1.00

01:04:50.120 There's no political solution. 0.99

01:04:51.540 And that's the lane.

01:04:52.540 And, therefore, let the other guys take the power.

01:04:54.400 And then you collectivize, and they will go against you.

01:04:56.660 And then, at least, there will be some type of kind of outcome of the situation.

01:04:59.960 Now, it's this kind of shattered – we're doing kind of both.

01:05:02.380 We're like – because I understand that people are just like, I don't even – does it even matter, you know, kind of thing.

01:05:07.340 Because it might slow down a little bit.

01:05:09.720 Sure, it might buy you some time, which, you know, strategically, that is a very – can be a very smart thing to do if you're trying to build something, right?

01:05:18.920 If you're actually trying to organize in such a capacity that you're forming an institution.

01:05:22.140 Yeah, something has to be built.

01:05:22.840 Well, exactly, right?

01:05:24.020 Something has to be built.

01:05:24.940 And is there anyone building anything?

01:05:27.320 I think within 10 years, just as we've now seen – just as we've now seen the talking points of the, you know, quote, unquote, far right or whatever, you know, white nationalist talking points being in the halls of power.

01:05:38.160 Within Europe, this is true, too, right?

01:05:40.040 You have politicians.

01:05:40.940 They're addressing immigration in a way they haven't before.

01:05:43.320 They talk about the rapes now.

01:05:44.740 It's all out in the open.

01:05:45.840 If that was a trend, you know, like the people kind of seeded 10 years ago, the trend now, I think, is 5, 10 years – and it's cutting it close, I get that – but I think in 5 to 10 years from now, there will be much more, you know, institutions in place.

01:06:00.920 Or people at least beginning to have laid those foundations by that point of – that are exclusively, you know, activist groups, white advocacy.

01:06:11.240 There might be other types of institutions, publishers, interest groups, maybe specific legal things or civil rights issues pertaining to white people.

01:06:20.800 I'm still seeing that as part of the trajectory here.

01:06:23.520 I'm not saying this is over, Kevin.

01:06:25.620 You know what I mean?

01:06:26.140 No, no, no, no, no.

01:06:27.260 But as Martin Selner said recently, I mean, there is a time limit to this.

01:06:30.560 We only have up to – I mean, a few decades at most.

01:06:34.600 Now, you have – it's sort of a race because you do see increasing white racial consciousness.

01:06:40.140 You do see these organizations being formed.

01:06:42.380 And I think we should take care when we say there's no political solution.

01:06:45.620 There may be no solution with – there may be no system solution.

01:06:49.580 But if you have groups that are outside the state which are forming strong networks which are going to exercise power in some way, that is still a political solution.

01:06:59.060 It's just not a political solution in the sense of, you know, line up and vote and, you know, you get your little sticker at the end of the day for voting team red or team blue.

01:07:07.420 But it's still politics.

01:07:08.660 Anything that has to do with power is politics.

01:07:10.980 And the way we win may look something like that.

01:07:13.600 The thing we have to be careful about is just because you have an ideological critique of the system and how it's compromised and how these people aren't going to do what needs to be done, all of that may be correct.

01:07:24.800 But even if your ideological critique is right, you can still just lose.

01:07:30.540 You can still – just being right in the abstract does not automatically give you power.

01:07:34.900 You can still just get run over by this demographic wave. 0.96

01:07:38.140 There are lots of people in this movement from 50 years ago or even 25 years ago who predicted very accurately what was going to happen, who said, this is what's coming down the pipe, and it came.

01:07:49.880 But they didn't get anything out of it.

01:07:52.500 I mean, certainly if you're talking about a mainstream –

01:07:55.060 Not even a I was right award.

01:07:57.120 Anyway, no.

01:07:57.400 Yeah, right.

01:07:57.980 Well, not even – yeah, right.

01:08:00.120 Not even – didn't fall for it again award.

01:08:01.880 There is no didn't fall for it again award.

01:08:03.860 That's right.

01:08:04.140 You may get a fell for it again award, but you're not going to get a didn't fall for it again award.

01:08:09.300 You could feel good about yourself, but, I mean, you're still getting run by the same people as everybody else.

01:08:13.600 Oh, gosh.

01:08:14.120 I mean, you look at somebody like Pat Buchanan.

01:08:15.660 I mean, this is – this guy had a platform on the main issues, you know, whatever it is, be it mass immigration, be it the Israel lobby, American foreign policy, moral decline, whatever it is, trade certainly and manufacturing.

01:08:28.920 He basically called it, and he essentially paved the way for the Trump coalition.

01:08:35.940 But he still hasn't gotten any recognition for it.

01:08:39.680 He didn't win anything.

01:08:40.960 He never exercised real political power, and even the critics who – on the left who say, well, he was right about it, it's still good that he lost because he was morally wrong.

01:08:53.800 And I think that what's going to happen in the years ahead is politics is going to get – certainly online, I think it's gotten a lot dumber with, you know, everybody chasing clickbait and everything else.

01:09:04.260 But I think it's going to get dumber in a more fundamental sense, which is we're not even going to debate abstractions and political philosophies and principles anymore.

01:09:11.980 It's just a race – I mean, let's just say it. 0.73

01:09:15.840 It's basically a somewhat peaceful race war.

01:09:18.940 I mean, that's Western politics now.

01:09:20.640 And in a weird way, the white pill here is that I think one of the things that the left is not going to be able to cope with very well is I think their brown and black pets are going to have a hard time following orders for much longer.

01:09:36.560 I mean, one of the best examples, I think, is when you look at the Labor Party in the United Kingdom.

01:09:41.940 Currently, the prime minister, Keir Starmer, I think is the most unpopular prime minister in British history.

01:09:46.860 And one of the things that's really killing the Labor Party is all these Muslims who they brought in and they thought would be reliable votes are now forming their own little independent Muslim parties, mostly on Palestine and things like that. 1.00

01:09:57.560 And they're getting elected to parliament under their own thing, which, of course, drains votes away from these things.

01:10:04.500 And, of course, working-class white people do not vote labor anymore.

01:10:08.240 They're probably going to vote reform or they're going to support some nationalist movement or whatever else.

01:10:12.080 And if you look at Minneapolis in this country, I mean, you just saw kind of an amusing intra-democratic battle where you had the Jewish mayor appealing to the Somali clan loyalties of other people in the city to defeat a Somali candidate who was defeated because some of the other clans mobilized against them.

01:10:33.020 It was sort of like colonial administrator divide and conquer.

01:10:36.480 I mean, this is basically what politics is going to be going forward.

01:10:39.620 And when this is all it is, the idea of a national good or the idea of, well, we're debating certain principles or philosophies of how we are to be governed as a democratic people, that's going to go with the boomers, man. 0.99

01:10:54.920 Yeah. No, definitely.

01:10:56.560 Oh, gosh. Yeah, there's a lot of things to pick up on there.

01:10:58.320 But, yeah, the split within the Somali, you know, this is a tribe.

01:11:03.200 That's an interesting thing in itself, too, because it ties into something that Trump did here.

01:11:08.220 Where did the article go, right?

01:11:10.440 Again, where it's like this, at first you see the headline here.

01:11:13.260 It's like, oh, wow, that's awesome.

01:11:14.620 Great.

01:11:15.100 Trump terminating deportation protections for Somalis in Minnesota, right?

01:11:19.340 And then you actually go to the report.

01:11:21.720 And as of March 31st, 2025, it says here, there's a special, the TPS, right?

01:11:27.720 Temporary Protection Status, I believe it stands for, right?

01:11:31.220 Right.

01:11:31.820 There's 705 nationals.

01:11:33.840 Yeah.

01:11:34.220 It's covered under that.

01:11:35.440 It's just like, what?

01:11:36.080 Yeah, this gets back to the initial thing.

01:11:38.700 Now, you have to ask yourself, oh, Trump's not doing enough because he's, you know, this obviously is a drop in the bucket.

01:11:43.340 It means nothing, right?

01:11:44.700 He's 100% right.

01:11:45.740 But we have to ask ourselves this.

01:11:48.040 Why do we have this problem?

01:11:49.400 And you can go through who started it and what organizations are responsible.

01:11:52.280 But, like, this is the situation we're in now.

01:11:55.000 If you wanted to stop the Somali colonization of this state, you are going to have to take citizenship away from people. 0.99

01:12:03.880 You're going to have to deport people who don't want to go.

01:12:07.420 You're going to have to use force essentially against an entire embedded community of thousands.

01:12:12.560 How exactly do you want the president to do that?

01:12:16.460 Because ultimately that is what needs to be done.

01:12:20.400 And if you say, well, the president's not doing enough to get rid of this, I agree with you.

01:12:24.940 But what exactly do you want him to do?

01:12:27.540 And this kind of gets me back to the original point.

01:12:29.700 If we want to use the – unless you have, like, some hope that the system is just going to randomly collapse or something like that, if we're talking about using the existing state structure in any way to do anything other than slow the bleeding, you're basically talking about how can you defy court orders?

01:12:47.620 How can you defy precedent?

01:12:48.920 How can you essentially build a national reclamation government, essentially a revolutionary government, to take back America in the most literal sense?

01:12:56.580 Because that is what it's going to take.

01:12:58.300 Now, there are a lot of things I think President Trump could do, either within the letter of the law or sort of on the border.

01:13:05.200 I mean, everybody always knows about Ilhan Omar, about, let's say, some of the questionable things she may have done in order to get into this country legally, especially involving her brother.

01:13:15.400 There are certain investigations that could be done.

01:13:17.460 There are certain other rules that could be done.

01:13:19.220 The Trump administration has already tried to get rid of birthright citizenship.

01:13:22.160 And, frankly, if the Supreme Court gets rid of birthright citizenship, I'm willing to forgive an awful lot because that would be the biggest victory basically in, like, 30 years, although I doubt the Supreme Court will do it.

01:13:31.800 But you have to actually start thinking about how do you get rid of people who we all know are not Americans, but they still have this kind of paper citizenship. 0.75

01:13:41.900 That is what it's going to take.

01:13:44.580 And this is where I think we as a movement need to get real because it is going to come to that.

01:13:51.180 We're past the point where I think defensive measures are really going to accomplish anything.

01:13:56.880 The best thing that can be said about President Trump is also the worst thing that can be said about him, which is he's gone about as far as you can go with purely defensive measures.

01:14:05.700 He's he's solved a lot of problems. He's given us a lot of victories that I think a lot of people 15 years ago would have been ecstatic over and we're still on the same road to destruction.

01:14:16.360 Yeah. Is that on him or is that because the problem is so much more deeply seated that we essentially have to operate as revolutionaries rather than conservatives?

01:14:28.020 Yeah. I mean, the situation, what does that mean?

01:14:31.440 I mean, it's an easy thing to say and be like, right. You know, look, I read Siege 2. Like, great. Am I like some great hero now?

01:14:38.580 Like, that's all very well. I can I can yell slogans, too. But like, well, ironically, doing something productive.

01:14:45.200 I'm not saying that's because when you're in that situation, that's not.

01:14:48.560 But I'm saying in terms of how the the hardest thing is about is to have clearly defined what situation are we what's the rules.

01:14:56.620 Right. Is it war? Right. Right. Or is it is it just some way, you know, kind of no, no, no, we'll we'll kind of take care of this.

01:15:02.880 And they placate you or they, you know, they tone it down.

01:15:06.580 You can't react. But then you can read the statistics of like the mass rapes, you know, in Europe and stuff, you know, and it's like this is what this that's war conditions.

01:15:14.820 But you can't act like it is. Right. So it's a very hard thing.

01:15:18.460 I think if it was clearly defined, like, OK, shit collapsed. Boom, it's on. 0.96

01:15:24.040 Not that that would be easy. But yeah, we all want clarity.

01:15:28.320 I mean, you brought it. You brought up an excellent point before where you were talking about how the left can defy court orders, but you can't.

01:15:34.680 I mean, part one of the things that the left has going for it.

01:15:37.280 And this is just it's not anybody's fault now.

01:15:39.380 I mean, you're building off a century of organization that the right just doesn't have is they've got people who know how to use a certain amount of force up to a certain point.

01:15:49.460 If you've ever been to a left wing protest, you know, for example, you've got the people in the green, you know, the legal observers.

01:15:54.840 They're going to make sure that if the police try to restrain these left wing protesters, the police are going to be the ones who get punished.

01:16:00.260 They may even have to pay money. You've got the protesters who are peaceful, but they're going to kind of cover for the black block guys. 1.00

01:16:06.900 The black block guys are willing to go farther, but they're sort of reliant on the larger mass of peaceful protesters who do stuff. 0.99

01:16:13.940 If you've ever had to deal with Antifa directly, you know, they don't nine times out of 10.

01:16:18.120 They don't just attack you in the street.

01:16:20.360 They try to do this passive aggressive thing where they like bump into you and then they go flying back as if you bump them and start screaming that, you know, you assaulted them and all this sort of stuff.

01:16:30.500 And then you get sued. And then the reporter friends do this stuff.

01:16:33.480 It's this whole thing of tactics that goes across the whole spectrum.

01:16:38.480 And that's why they win in terms of is it war? Is it not war? 0.83

01:16:43.780 Essentially, it's going to just like war. 0.73

01:16:47.300 It's going to require a lot of different approaches that apply to different audiences.

01:16:52.020 And to some extent, and this is just what's sort of cynical about it, we all kind of know, and certainly the left knows, we all kind of know what's really going on here.

01:17:01.200 I mean, it is just population replacement.

01:17:03.120 It is essentially a demographic struggle.

01:17:05.140 White genocide. 0.58

01:17:05.580 It's a cultural struggle. 0.99

01:17:06.380 Yeah, it's white genocide. 0.62

01:17:07.200 That's exactly what it is. 0.99

01:17:08.060 It is white genocide. 0.97

01:17:09.140 They are trying to remove us as a people. 0.97

01:17:10.860 That is what it is.

01:17:11.620 That is the primary political issue right now.

01:17:13.960 And everything else is just a tangent, unless you're talking about like who's behind it or something.

01:17:18.180 But then it's still fundamentally a thing of the same point.

01:17:21.180 But how do you stop it?

01:17:23.200 If you say it is a war and they're trying to get rid of us and that's why we need to rise up, that's easy to say.

01:17:31.640 But you're not going to find a lot of takers.

01:17:33.260 And it's also going to be harder to determine, well, what does that mean?

01:17:36.320 What do we actually do?

01:17:38.100 There are certain other things that you can do that are still taking the offensive.

01:17:43.320 And if you're like, well, what does that look like?

01:17:45.240 Look at the things that the leftists may be able to do.

01:17:47.020 I mean, one of the things that I think would be a really useful metric for us is if you look at federal grants, how many of these immigration groups, you know, NGOs, churches, synagogues, whatever else, but also like these immigrant lobbies, ethnic groups, how many of these groups get millions of dollars from the taxpayers essentially geopolitically organized for their side?

01:18:09.340 Is there a single right wing group under the Trump administration that is being funded by the taxpayer to do right wing organizing?

01:18:18.760 No, I am not interested in limited government.

01:18:21.840 I am not interested in fiscal conservatism.

01:18:23.880 Fiscal conservatism lost plausibility when universal suffrage became a thing at about thirty five trillion dollars in debt ago.

01:18:31.160 I mean, it's just meaningless to talk about these things.

01:18:33.520 You might as well talk about like, you know, exploring Jupiter or something.

01:18:37.440 It's just it's just completely unrealistic nonsense to talk about cutting the size of government without talking about suffrage and things like that.

01:18:44.780 What we should be talking about is what does it mean to build power?

01:18:49.100 And that means fundamentally that the state is funding the guys on our side.

01:18:53.000 We are already you and I are already funding leftists with our salaries, with our taxes.

01:18:57.880 Yep, we're funding replacing ourselves with the taxpayer.

01:19:01.600 If you're like, well, what's a what's a small scale thing to determine, like whether we're winning or losing or whether we're getting somewhere when we have right wingers being funded by the state.

01:19:11.020 To do the sorts of things that we agree with, then we're getting somewhere.

01:19:15.020 The only thing that I can think of that sort of builds into that, and I know it's not quite the same thing, is frankly, the expansion for ICE.

01:19:22.240 I mean, there you've got a pretty sizable law enforcement slash paramilitary body, which if you look at the way they've been recruiting, is more or less openly targeting our guys for recruitment and giving them money.

01:19:33.980 I mean, that's something.

01:19:34.920 But I think even that is not quite what I have in mind.

01:19:37.700 What I would like to see is explicitly white groups getting funding from the federal government for political things, the same way that groups of all different races and ethnicities are already getting that from the federal government.

01:19:48.600 Yeah, no, definitely.

01:19:49.500 Absolutely.

01:19:49.980 And if we can get there, then we're getting somewhere.

01:19:51.540 Even individual, because let's be honest, it's down to the fact that you need resources because you need manpower.

01:19:58.280 You need men who can have this as their job. 0.99

01:20:01.880 It's to organize for our people, right?

01:20:04.400 Which means you need money.

01:20:05.480 You need to pay these people, and it'd be great if you could pay them a good salary even.

01:20:09.260 Whoa, you know, look at that.

01:20:10.120 But anyway, like even Elon Musk, who's like, he can retweet, you know, Steve Laws or, you know, something like, just, you know, or Dries van der Langenhove in Belgium and his legal cases or something like.

01:20:21.280 And look, and maybe there's something on the back end I don't know about or whatever.

01:20:23.760 But like, just put in a couple of hundred, it's nothing to him, right?

01:20:27.440 But again, I'm not sitting here waiting for like a Musk to show up.

01:20:30.260 But it's very, it's fascinating to see that there's so little organized support.

01:20:36.500 But is there, and if there is a Soros figure kind of on our side, then it's like what a Mark Andreessen who's like more interested in like AI than like racial preservation or something.

01:20:46.020 I don't know.

01:20:46.580 There's not.

01:20:47.080 We don't have it.

01:20:47.880 There is none, right?

01:20:48.520 No, we don't.

01:20:49.180 But I mean, I think what we'd be looking at even, I mean, obviously there are people who could give money and fund all these things, and that would be great.

01:20:55.760 But what I'm thinking more is like, why exactly, for example, is Red Ice not getting $100 million a year from the federal government for an independent media outreach effort to rural Americans or something funded by the taxpayers?

01:21:09.020 You may say like, well, that sounds ridiculous.

01:21:10.840 Well, look at the kinds of things that the federal government is already funding.

01:21:13.560 I mean, I promise you, people who are more extreme than you on the other side are already being funded by our taxes. 0.98

01:21:21.320 And the reason you're not going to see this, of course, and this goes back to, you know, there is an element to where this is just stupidity and naivete at the heart of the American right. 0.72

01:21:31.060 We have all been carefully trained that our purpose is to be standing for limited government, efficiency, making sure that the taxpayer dollars are funded wisely, cutting the deficit. 0.89

01:21:41.880 But the problem is, in a government with unlimited suffrage, all that does is build up a greater pot of treasure for the left to give to their guys once they get in again.

01:21:53.100 I mean, this is a zero-sum game.

01:21:56.200 It is.

01:21:56.440 And I always say things like, you know, it's about who, it's not about what.

01:22:00.220 But there are certain perverse incentives within the system, and there's not really a way to fix these problems within the system, especially the problem of government spending.

01:22:13.540 So, therefore, I think we need to change our approach to this.

01:22:16.820 We need to be thinking of government as essentially a pot, a pot of treasure.

01:22:21.480 And our objective is to win power, to give as much of that thing to our guys as possible, to win even more power.

01:22:28.280 Because I promise you, that's how the left looks at government, and that's why they win.

01:22:32.540 Very good point.

01:22:33.420 Exactly.

01:22:33.980 Yeah, I was thinking about these.

01:22:35.720 You just look at the – and, of course, there's so many groups doing this kind of stuff.

01:22:40.100 But the grand thing is kind of interesting because we have that new story of the, you know, all the Catholic bishops coming out.

01:22:45.160 They were, like, denouncing Trump's deportation.

01:22:47.620 And, again, these are criminal – it's not just that they made the illegal act of breaking into the country illegally.

01:22:53.560 They have, like, in addition to this, like, dealt drugs. 0.97

01:22:56.340 They have, you know, raped someone, maybe murdered someone.

01:22:59.440 They drove without a legit license or something, or they were just given it by some random state and killed a bunch of people or something.

01:23:05.400 That's the guys these guys comes out and defends of, basically, right?

01:23:09.640 This is – oh, this is very serious.

01:23:11.080 This is a humanitarian thing to do.

01:23:12.380 And so we did kind of a segment on this, and I pulled out a couple of things.

01:23:15.140 And, again, we've talked so much about, like, Pius and some of these other Jewish NGOs, you know, they're responsible for this as well.

01:23:20.900 But just then within the Christian organizations alone, they're replacing white people, right? 0.97

01:23:26.020 It was, like, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

01:23:28.500 They get $129.6 million almost annually.

01:23:32.200 And, again, majority of these comes in the form of government grants.

01:23:36.360 Now, there's, you know, public or private donors and things like that.

01:23:40.320 But the majority of this – a couple of more here – Episcopal Migration Ministries, $50 million annually.

01:23:47.180 You have the Church World Service.

01:23:49.100 That's $96 million in grants.

01:23:51.520 You have the Global Refugee. 1.00

01:23:53.080 That's what it's called today.

01:23:54.060 It used to be called the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services.

01:23:56.880 Check this out.

01:23:59.240 $233 million in revenue in 2023.

01:24:02.760 And, again, most of that comes from U.S. government grants.

01:24:06.460 The Bethany Christian Services, $77.3 million.

01:24:10.100 I mean, it's just an endless amount of money.

01:24:12.720 Imagine if we had a fraction of that just to work towards, like, pro-white causes or something.

01:24:17.680 Right, right.

01:24:18.520 Imagine – think of what it would take, the kind of political shift for, say, American Renaissance to be getting funded $200 million from the federal government.

01:24:28.120 That sounds insane.

01:24:29.160 But that's, like, the very different definition of political insanity.

01:24:33.220 But that's the kind of political shift that we have to be thinking about because that's the situation we're already in vis-a-vis the other side.

01:24:41.920 And, certainly, you have to ask certain questions when they talk about civil society, when they talk about NGOs.

01:24:47.960 What kind of a non-governmental organization is it when it's 90% reliant on grants from the taxpayer?

01:24:55.820 Yeah.

01:24:55.980 To me, that's actually – and it's very clear that in Western democracies, NGOs are used to do the things that governments themselves want to do.

01:25:04.760 Yeah, but they can't legally do. 0.81

01:25:06.620 Yeah, correct.

01:25:07.620 Absolutely.

01:25:08.220 I mean, it's just semantics.

01:25:09.520 It's just a way to skirt the system.

01:25:11.340 And I forget when this becomes widely popularized, but it's going to be like the late 90s, early 2000s or something.

01:25:17.080 Well, is it actually – I mean, this is one of the things I really want to look into.

01:25:20.620 I wonder if this was an unfortunate outgrowth of President George W. Bush's grand scheme to give government money to religious organizations for charitable purposes because that's when this thing really took off.

01:25:33.840 Now, if you remember at the time – I mean, this is a long time ago.

01:25:36.120 I'm dating myself here.

01:25:37.360 But if you remember at the time, leftists were furious about this because, like, oh, this is theocracy.

01:25:42.780 They're going to promote all these religious right viewpoints.

01:25:45.060 They're going to oppose gay marriage, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:25:47.840 Actually, if you look at what most of these religious groups have turned into since, they've more or less towed the line on left-wing cultural policies.

01:25:55.340 Oh, 100%.

01:25:55.660 Now, of course, they're all also open-border shills.

01:25:57.960 I mean, look, if you say, I am going to enforce immigration law, you may well get the hierarchy to denounce you.

01:26:09.180 But if you blaspheme against Christ, they're not going to care.

01:26:14.220 It's not – they don't really have an interest in doing these things.

01:26:17.920 It's not the main thing.

01:26:20.080 What really animates them is where does the power come from?

01:26:23.680 Where does the money come from?

01:26:24.720 And this is true, certainly, of all the mainline Protestant denominations, which at this point can really only be called Christian in name only.

01:26:33.020 Sinos. 0.93

01:26:33.500 Yeah, I've said that many times, right?

01:26:34.960 Anyone can claim they are, and that's fine enough, right?

01:26:36.940 But that's also partially why they're willing to –

01:26:40.640 I mean, it's just another NGO.

01:26:42.440 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:43.240 They cater to all these other races.

01:26:44.700 They don't care about that.

01:26:45.420 I mean, I'm not saying that that's part of the scriptures or something, but I'm just saying, like, this is a political entity.

01:26:51.580 It seeks simply just power.

01:26:53.660 I mean, you can argue that it's – that goes back to the very foundation of the church itself.

01:26:57.920 But regardless, right, this idea of – you just need to grow in number.

01:27:00.540 We don't care if it's Africans or, you know, whatever demographic group, Asians.

01:27:04.140 We just want to grow bigger, and part of the reason why they kind of embraced Woke or whatever was like, oh, that's what we need to do now to be popular.

01:27:14.480 And then all of a sudden, you know, there's such fast curveballs, if you will, in the culture war now that all of a sudden it's like – you know, they're always late, though, and delayed.

01:27:22.940 But maybe in a year or two, they were like, oh, that's not cool anymore to rap on stage or something.

01:27:27.760 I mean – yeah, right.

01:27:29.280 I mean, the real big giveaway, I think, was when I believe it was the Episcopal Church scrapped its refugee program rather than help the white Afrikaners that were admitted to this country. 0.88

01:27:41.600 Yes, exactly.

01:27:42.220 I remember that. 0.73

01:27:42.940 That's how much they hate your guts. 1.00

01:27:44.380 Yes, they hate whites. 1.00

01:27:45.980 There's no other way to look at it. 0.98

01:27:48.540 Yeah, it's fascinating.

01:27:49.960 And, guys, we'll get a couple of these super chats in a bit here, too.

01:27:52.820 So thank you for those.

01:27:53.780 So if you do have any specific question for Kevin, you can always send that in if you want.

01:27:58.600 You can super chat over on – where's my graph for that here?

01:28:00.940 Over on entropysteam.live slash redice.tv.

01:28:03.780 You can use powerchat.live slash redice as well, or you can do it over on Rumble.

01:28:09.740 And I'll get to those in a little bit here. 0.99

01:28:10.980 But I wanted to ask you, so what do you think – again, this crystal ball stuff, it's kind of dumb and gay. 1.00

01:28:16.140 But, like, how do you think – like, how do you think this – 0.99

01:28:18.680 It's inevitable, though, right?

01:28:19.340 Yeah, I know.

01:28:19.960 You have to, right?

01:28:20.860 That's kind of part of our job, I guess.

01:28:21.980 Because how will that – how will that play – what can we – let me rephrase that.

01:28:28.920 What do you think we should expect?

01:28:31.240 Because I want people to be ready.

01:28:33.200 Again, I'm not sure if I made that point clear enough earlier.

01:28:35.700 But, like, you might have fun with this now, you know, kind of thing.

01:28:40.720 And, again, I'm not denying that anyone shouldn't have fun with it.

01:28:43.960 But I'm just saying don't just sit here and think that memes are somehow going to win this battle and this war.

01:28:49.120 And at some point there's going to be retaliation, much like we saw retaliation of Douglas Mackey, right?

01:28:54.580 Ricky Vaughn after – I mean, literally, like, the first week within the Biden administration coming in.

01:28:59.200 Boom, you know, federal charges against that guy.

01:29:01.500 And he's still fighting those.

01:29:03.380 Maybe it's on that level, but that's probably just part of it.

01:29:06.520 It's going to come in very – I think just a collective punishment.

01:29:09.440 Like, if the idea was that Trump wanted to close the borders and restore white America, we have to morally do the opposite.

01:29:18.440 And so I just think the expectation is just, like, just let's not only undo the little that he managed to do, but let's do it even more, right?

01:29:25.980 I think that's very realistic.

01:29:27.900 Yeah, they'll just open the borders straight up.

01:29:30.640 They'll just – federal grants to build the last stretch in the Dorian Gap, right?

01:29:35.780 To actually build – connect the bridge there.

01:29:37.880 They'll build a monument to, like, illegal immigrants along the southern border or something like that.

01:29:42.320 I actually expect that will happen at some point.

01:29:44.240 And I think you'll see a lot more DEI stuff in education because they'll say, like, well, we need to educate people to make sure this never happens again.

01:29:51.200 This needs to be the primary purpose of education.

01:29:53.500 Just like they said during COVID, you know, the primary purpose of health care needs to be studying for equity and diversity and things like that.

01:30:00.200 I mean, these sorts of arguments have a way of taking over any institution into which they're admitted.

01:30:06.340 I think what I would really be on the lookout for is you're going to see a very serious attempt to get around the First Amendment.

01:30:12.320 And I don't just mean more censorship because, obviously, you'll be that.

01:30:15.740 I don't just mean the return of all these banking regulations.

01:30:18.340 Like, one thing, for example, that the Trump administration gets full credit for is the fact that American Renaissance, for example, New Century Foundation can now accept credit card payments.

01:30:26.920 The only reason that happened, maybe this is true of a number of other people, the only reason that happened is because the Trump administration basically said to the banks, you have to stop financially deplatforming people.

01:30:36.380 It wasn't on our behalf.

01:30:37.280 It was just in general.

01:30:38.160 Obviously, all that kind of stuff would be reversed.

01:30:40.580 But I think what you're going to see, because they're not just going to be like, oh, we get rid of the First Amendment.

01:30:44.680 But what they're going to say is they're going to say that certain kinds of speech is inherently disorderly or emotionally harmful.

01:30:52.280 And therefore, you can be sued by it.

01:30:54.200 I mean, for example, Shiloh Hendricks has already been indicted and has a trial date for the showdown that she had. 0.94

01:31:01.300 I think a couple guys in Florida just got arrested for supposedly insulting Muslims.

01:31:08.140 Now, of course, if you attack.

01:31:09.500 Oh, the bacon thing.

01:31:10.580 Yeah, I saw.

01:31:11.220 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:11.320 Now, if you attack white people, you say even go so far as to say this entire race of people needs to be destroyed or eradicated. 1.00

01:31:20.660 Whiteness itself needs to be eradicated. 0.99

01:31:22.640 Well, that's not hate speech.

01:31:24.080 That's actually just being a good university professor or reporter or NGO worker or something.

01:31:29.460 But I think you are going to see certain kinds of speech are held to be something you can be sued for, something that is regarded under the law as emotionally harmful, something you can use to shut down online debate.

01:31:44.040 We're never going to get back the kind of free speech things that we took for granted in 2012.

01:31:49.440 And I think in many ways, people look at me and I'm crazy when I say this, but I think in many ways that's one of the biggest missed opportunities of the Trump administration.

01:31:57.720 I think First Amendment protections should have been mandated for a lot of these mainstream platforms using the authority you have, even under the Civil Rights Act, where you say you have to have universal access to these things because we're still in a position where the censorship has come off our necks a little bit, but it's nothing systematic.

01:32:20.200 And a lot of these tech CEOs are fond of saying things like, well, we went too far in 2020, but now we're going to bring these people back.

01:32:29.900 And then you wait a little while.

01:32:31.240 And of course, these people don't actually come back.

01:32:33.620 I mean, I should ask you, it's not like they're letting you back on these platforms that you were kicked off of years and years ago.

01:32:40.720 No, no.

01:32:40.800 But they're all saying they are.

01:32:43.980 And you're seeing a lot of people on the conservative movement saying, woke is dead.

01:32:47.300 Woke is over.

01:32:47.900 We won.

01:32:48.300 Free speech is back.

01:32:49.480 No, it's not.

01:32:50.400 No.

01:32:51.200 No, it never was.

01:32:52.720 I mean, until like American Renaissance can be on like YouTube or Facebook or something like that.

01:32:59.400 Yeah.

01:32:59.620 Like that's a small thing.

01:33:00.840 And I'm not just trying to be insular and talking about my thing, but that would be one sign.

01:33:05.280 And it's not something that we should even have to think about.

01:33:08.820 It's something, it should be something as absurd as you getting your power canceled because the power company doesn't like your politics.

01:33:16.960 Soon.

01:33:17.520 I think.

01:33:18.540 Right.

01:33:19.040 With AI?

01:33:20.060 Maybe that'll happen too.

01:33:20.760 No, I'm serious.

01:33:21.520 Like you'll be, what I'm saying is part of the, and that's why I partially talk about AI and who controls it and all those things too,

01:33:27.120 because that will be baked into the cake of the repressive government, you know, policies that are coming where you basically do a violation of term.

01:33:35.900 It will be like social media, but real life, right?

01:33:38.700 The gamification of life, whatever you want to call it, right?

01:33:40.740 Where you're like, no, you violated the terms of service, right?

01:33:44.260 Essentially.

01:33:44.840 Right.

01:33:45.020 Of whatever service it is that they're offering with a flip of a switch.

01:33:48.720 No more UBI for you, right?

01:33:50.140 Because you can't get a job or whatever.

01:33:52.060 Right.

01:33:52.540 Your power, your water is shut down.

01:33:54.040 You're just closed down.

01:33:54.460 That was openly discussed.

01:33:55.400 That was openly discussed when they had the riots in Ireland, the anti-immigration riots in Ireland a few months ago.

01:34:01.220 Shut off their water, right?

01:34:02.520 Right.

01:34:02.860 Well, the liberal reporters were saying we need to cut off government aid to anybody who's involved in these things.

01:34:07.140 Yeah.

01:34:07.360 So all of a sudden these entitlements are no longer entitlements.

01:34:10.300 They're politically dependent.

01:34:11.580 Yeah, they're not rights or whatever you want to call it, right?

01:34:13.720 No, they're not rights anymore.

01:34:14.840 You know, or what was the term they used but like vital or essential services or something?

01:34:21.840 Yeah, right.

01:34:22.840 No, instead, now it's the opposite way.

01:34:24.500 And now they can be used as a kind of held against you as a pressure point instead.

01:34:29.880 You better not, you know, go across the line here or else, right?

01:34:33.480 One of the things that I've often toyed with, if I were ever to run for office, I think would be to embrace a policy of necessary fiscal nihilism, let's call it, which is that, look, we already have socialism in the United States basically for blacks and browns in terms of free food and disability and all these sorts of things. 0.95

01:34:52.700 Like they just don't have to pay for stuff.

01:34:54.000 And I think this is one of the things that sort of drove what happened in New York City.

01:34:58.700 I think a lot of struggling lower middle class white people are looking around and saying, well, nobody is really providing for my kind of stuff.

01:35:06.420 I went to college.

01:35:07.520 I am entitled to a certain standard of living.

01:35:09.900 I should be getting these things.

01:35:11.240 I'm not getting them.

01:35:11.980 Well, I don't think there's a way you can really cut government spending, although I'd like to.

01:35:17.760 I mean, my libertarian instincts are still there in a system of universal suffrage, but you can't really do it.

01:35:24.480 What I think is almost a clovered, what is it, the clovered Piven strategy where you try to overload the system.

01:35:30.320 Yeah, clovered Piven.

01:35:31.700 Yeah, that's right.

01:35:32.720 I would actually do that from the right.

01:35:34.320 I would go so far as to say, like, everybody gets EBT.

01:35:38.180 Everybody gets all these programs because, look, America is into the looting phase right now, and already everybody else is living off of us.

01:35:50.260 We might as well get our cut, too.

01:35:52.440 And frankly, whether the debt at a certain point, whether the debt is $38 trillion or $50 trillion or $100 trillion.

01:35:58.780 What does it matter?

01:35:59.480 It doesn't really matter, does it?

01:36:00.960 No, it doesn't.

01:36:01.600 And this is to get back to where we started a little bit.

01:36:06.080 This is sort of the weird thing about where the Trump administration is because they can't just break the system without, you know, the economy collapsing and prices going through the roof and they lose, you know, every election and all these things happen.

01:36:20.940 But also trying to save the system is, you could argue, is morally corrupt and also probably impossible.

01:36:27.740 I think with a little bit more time, we're at a point where some pretty interesting political experiments could be played out because we really don't have a stake in this thing going on the way it has been.

01:36:40.720 We actually have no obligation to save this thing whatsoever.

01:36:43.760 We certainly don't have an obligation to make ourselves politically unpopular to do sound fiscal policies to keep it all stumbling along or make sure that American military power is still the strongest in the world if this power is not being exercised in our own interests.

01:36:59.280 I think there's a lot of very interesting political possibilities ahead.

01:37:02.880 Well, it starts getting really interesting when you have nothing left to lose, right?

01:37:07.140 Exactly.

01:37:07.720 That's when it gets interesting.

01:37:08.880 And we're pretty close to that.

01:37:09.700 We are close.

01:37:10.720 We're not quite there, but we're close.

01:37:13.040 One of my greatest fear is that it actually will not crash, right?

01:37:15.980 It will not actually go.

01:37:16.820 It will just be a slow smother, and AI will be rolled out.

01:37:22.180 You can just prompt for anything, and you have your VR headset on, and your tube with Coke and cheese coming in and intervening.

01:37:29.820 Like, just total complacency, essentially, and like nothing actually.

01:37:34.200 I mean, the nothing ever happens kind of meme has been more true than not, I guess, to a certain extent.

01:37:38.640 Right.

01:37:38.860 But it could go any way, any, you know, it could slice any way here.

01:37:43.860 But the point is, yeah, I'd be happy to go another 50 trillion into debt if it means we can save our people, right?

01:37:50.340 I mean, I don't care, but it's not about, because it's not about the money.

01:37:52.540 It's the same thing with the Trump administration.

01:37:53.980 They're thinking about maybe the reputation of the Republican Party. 1.00

01:37:56.980 Fuck the Republican Party. 1.00

01:37:58.620 You're losing your country because you're losing your people and your population, right? 1.00

01:38:03.420 And if America, as you say, is this kind of a dead corpse or a beached whale or something, right, kind of thing, and all the vultures.

01:38:13.060 Right. 0.97

01:38:13.500 There's a saying that America is a corpse, and one party is rooting for the corpse, and the other party is rooting for the maggots. 0.97

01:38:19.780 Yes.

01:38:20.060 That's kind of the situation we're in.

01:38:21.380 Exactly.

01:38:22.040 Yep, that's right.

01:38:22.720 The vultures are there.

01:38:23.740 Everyone's feasting, trying to get their bit, as we've seen with the Somali community in Minnesota, for example, right? 1.00

01:38:28.280 And I was looking into this the other day, too, by the way, yesterday, maybe.

01:38:31.820 And it's like the demographics of Minnesota.

01:38:36.060 And it's like, this can't be right.

01:38:40.220 7% black?

01:38:42.220 They're trying to say that there's 80,000 Somalis in Minnesota.

01:38:48.500 How can there be?

01:38:49.340 If there's such an incredible force politically, how can they displace, what is that, 5 point, I don't know, whatever, million other people?

01:38:59.140 This is not true.

01:39:00.600 I doubt this, but it shows you something interesting.

01:39:04.520 So I'm not saying those statistics are correct, but it does show you something interesting, as we know from historical record.

01:39:10.740 It can take a very small minority that are highly organized to influence massive amounts of things.

01:39:17.780 I remember that you brought up the UK.

01:39:19.060 I know I'm throwing out a lot of things here at the same time, but you mentioned the UK earlier.

01:39:23.560 And I just remember that clip, too, with Farage or whatever, whoever it was, reform, you know, they're having their heyday now over in the UK.

01:39:30.420 We'll see.

01:39:30.720 They'll probably get in or something.

01:39:31.820 But still, no, we cannot organize, like, as white British people. 0.62

01:39:37.360 That's just wrong kind of thing, right?

01:39:39.220 And as you said, meanwhile, they set up a Muslim party and somehow managed to gain political influence.

01:39:46.280 The other Arabs are voting for it. 1.00

01:39:47.840 There are probably some whites even they're voting for them out of spite, I would assume, to be honest. 0.78

01:39:51.520 But the point is, they can do it and they will do it.

01:39:55.540 And it's just white people that are sitting back and thinking this would be the gravest of it.

01:39:59.660 I think there would be a lot of people ready for that.

01:40:03.080 And I think, in fact, if there was an explicit, like, nah, this is the white party, you know, just fingers up. 0.51

01:40:08.760 I think that would do real well in this time.

01:40:10.800 What do you think?

01:40:11.860 That's where we need to get to.

01:40:13.280 I mean, I've always said that white people in this country lack all political representation. 0.56

01:40:17.340 That sounds like an extreme statement, but it's true. 0.76

01:40:19.140 There is not a single elected official who says, I am representing white interests.

01:40:23.660 There are countless politicians who explicitly say, I am representing black interests.

01:40:28.440 I am representing Hispanic interests.

01:40:29.920 I am representing Asian Pacific interests or whatever else.

01:40:32.760 I'm representing Somali interests.

01:40:34.240 God knows we've got enough of those.

01:40:36.280 But we don't have a single person who explicitly says, I am representing white interests.

01:40:41.160 And we have to get to that point.

01:40:43.360 It's not a question of whether you can take over the system by voting.

01:40:46.060 But if we can't get a single person in anywhere who says, I am representing white interests, just about everything else that we're talking about in terms of a possible solution sounds fanciful.

01:40:58.240 Yeah.

01:40:58.840 It fails at that point.

01:41:00.120 I mean, at some point, the brutal truth, I think the potential is there.

01:41:03.920 But the brutal truth is that at some point, somebody has to organize something and win something.

01:41:09.520 It's not just a question of we talk ourselves in circles about who has the most based ideology or who has the most hardcore brand or whatever else.

01:41:17.200 Like at some point, somebody actually has to take control of some level of power and use it.

01:41:22.780 Now, what that looks like does not necessarily mean elections.

01:41:25.160 There are a number of different things that can be done, but they have to be done and to express dissatisfaction with what the Trump administration is able to do.

01:41:35.020 I think it's accurate, but it also doesn't get you anything in the end unless we have an alternative.

01:41:40.120 So there's a couple of reasons, I think, for why we ended up in this situation, and partially it's because we've had governments that looked after us.

01:41:46.160 I think maybe this is even more true, of course, in, you know, specifically Scandinavian countries, maybe more so like further north up Europe you go.

01:41:52.140 We have very dependency.

01:41:53.900 The state was like your mom and your dad, you know, kind of thing.

01:41:57.160 And although, of course, at the time, there's advantages to that.

01:42:00.020 They managed to create a high trust society.

01:42:01.840 The policies wasn't always right, of course.

01:42:03.560 But over time, as the culture has shifted and as the politics have become globalized or whatever, now all of a sudden you're stuck with a population that's completely dependent on their government to handle them, to organize them, to tell them what to do.

01:42:15.480 And I think these trends are largely true in the U.S. as well, or specifically for white people, I think. 0.99

01:42:20.180 And the problem is now we're thinking, oh, shit, like we got to take the country back. 0.99

01:42:25.680 And it's like, okay, slow down, slow down, right? 1.00

01:42:29.320 Can you take, I don't know, your neighborhood back?

01:42:32.640 Can you take your, whatever local little group it is you have going on or something, or maybe some other interest or hobby group or something, can you take that over?

01:42:42.820 Can you run that, right?

01:42:44.120 Kind of thing.

01:42:44.660 We have to start small.

01:42:46.200 And I know it's like, here we are sitting talking about the reality.

01:42:48.960 We might have 10 years and you're going to, you know, we're advocating for someone to take over their local sewing club or something.

01:42:53.700 I'm just saying, like, we have to start somewhere just to create.

01:42:56.860 We need, like, proof of concept, right?

01:42:59.540 Essentially. 0.99

01:43:00.500 Like, oh, shit, that worked. 0.99

01:43:01.960 It's, that's for confidence building. 1.00

01:43:03.980 That's to learn the lessons. 0.99

01:43:05.740 Like, if you, I mean, if you can't even run yourself, you're not going to run shit. 0.99

01:43:09.300 You're certainly not going to run a country, right? 0.99

01:43:10.960 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:43:11.740 That we need practice.

01:43:13.220 We need to learn again how to be a people, how to organize, how to do things for ourselves.

01:43:19.860 We've been bred the last few, you could argue probably generations, but especially the last few decades that, like, you are dependent on the state.

01:43:27.840 And then all of a sudden the state pulled the rug from out and under us and said, actually, in fact, we consider you the enemy now.

01:43:33.780 And there we are standing.

01:43:35.200 No institutions are backing us up.

01:43:36.940 We're not in control of anything.

01:43:38.360 We don't even know how to control these things, Kevin.

01:43:40.920 Yeah, and to some extent, a lot of these things are being done.

01:43:44.940 I mean, you certainly look at Irania and South Africa.

01:43:47.080 You could argue some of the projects here in the United States, Return of the Land.

01:43:50.300 I'm a big fan of all the different active clubs that are being started, not just in the United States, but around the world.

01:43:56.420 There are all sorts of networking groups and business associations that are being formed.

01:44:01.300 A lot of this is happening under the surface.

01:44:03.500 It's not the kind of thing you find online for all these reasons, and nor should it be.

01:44:09.220 So it's not that we're starting from scratch.

01:44:12.360 I mean, it doesn't take much.

01:44:14.280 You can find groups.

01:44:15.940 Whatever you're thinking of, you who are watching this, like, wouldn't it be great if somebody did this?

01:44:19.920 That thing probably already exists.

01:44:21.960 Yeah, someone's doing it, and you can find it, and you can help.

01:44:24.840 So that is being done.

01:44:26.840 It's just we are at some point going to have to have a gathering of the tribes, so to speak, where you have all these different groups coming together for a common interest.

01:44:37.380 Maybe that'll be for a common cause.

01:44:39.240 Maybe that'll be for political power.

01:44:40.700 Maybe there'll be a crisis.

01:44:41.700 Maybe there'll be a leader.

01:44:42.760 There could be all sorts of different things.

01:44:44.740 But it is going to have to come to that point.

01:44:47.260 I am encouraged now.

01:44:48.620 I often come off as pretty pessimistic, but I'm more optimistic now, and this is something Jared Taylor said at the last American Renaissance a couple weeks ago.

01:44:56.260 He said he's more optimistic now than he's ever been, and I think one of the reasons for that is that we do have a mass constituency in a way we didn't before.

01:45:06.100 When I first started off in this movement, I wrote, let's just say, more extreme stuff, right?

01:45:12.040 Much more uncensored stuff going all out with a lot of these things.

01:45:16.880 And you know what happened was nothing.

01:45:18.900 I didn't get censored.

01:45:20.320 I still had a normal job.

01:45:21.860 Nobody cared.

01:45:22.640 The people at my normal political job more or less knew what I was doing and knew what I thought about stuff, and they didn't particularly care.

01:45:28.960 Why?

01:45:29.560 Because you were just kind of screaming into the ether.

01:45:32.380 It didn't mean anything.

01:45:34.340 You were just sort of exercising emotion.

01:45:36.440 You were making arguments in the abstract, and maybe they were interesting, and maybe you thought they were true and whatever else, but they didn't have practical importance in the real world.

01:45:44.980 Now we're in this.

01:45:46.860 Now white people are beginning to become a political force.

01:45:50.000 We're not there yet, but it's happening, and it's happening maybe too slowly, and there is a time limit here.

01:45:56.540 But the sorts of ideas that we're talking about now have a practical importance, and people are living their lives and forming their careers and forming families and forming groups based on these ideas.

01:46:07.320 That is something to be very optimistic about because that was not true even 15 years ago.

01:46:13.960 Yeah, that's right.

01:46:14.820 No, I totally agree.

01:46:16.020 And I guess my comment was aimed at those like, okay, so if you don't have an in with those people or know where to find them, I guess, in some way for the sake of learning experience, you should do it, right?

01:46:27.420 It takes leadership.

01:46:28.340 It takes time.

01:46:29.040 I know these things are hard, but with that, as they do get more successful and more organized, you'll end up sitting.

01:46:34.580 Because look at how many HR people there are in these departments. 0.97

01:46:38.060 They're just getting paid massive amounts of money to do shit, or at least maybe make sure white people can't get in there or something, but still. 0.99

01:46:45.440 That's what HR actually is. 1.00

01:46:46.480 It is, right?

01:46:47.380 Yeah.

01:46:47.480 But the point is, well-paying jobs, and they're there and doing those things, right?

01:46:53.760 Because I still think it's true.

01:46:54.920 We need like, it needs to be institutionalized, if you will, on our side in the sense that like, we actually like, you know, generate income for the, you know, a local community or whatever.

01:47:04.200 You can actually pay a couple of people just to work with this for our interests full time and doing those things.

01:47:10.540 And actually pushing, you know, pushing our agenda in different ways, just helping, you realize how hard it is, even to just organize people in a coherent way, right?

01:47:19.580 Even in terms of the numbers, how you bring them together, you got to delegate, you got, you know what I mean?

01:47:24.420 Like there's these, there's, you need to learn, we need to learn all these things.

01:47:28.900 And so there's a great opportunity here to get in on this game and getting some skill, or at least talking to someone who knows how to do some of these things.

01:47:36.880 Because we have to build a lot of this from the ground up ourselves.

01:47:39.720 No one else is going to, if not us, who, right? 0.97

01:47:42.280 That's as I say, no one else, don't sit and wait on your ass that someone's going to show up and save you, because they're not. 0.96

01:47:48.720 This is up to us, ultimately. 0.95

01:47:50.960 If we don't, if we who know this stuff don't do anything about it, we're more guilty than the people who just don't know anything at all and just don't even interest in politics, right?

01:48:01.580 Agreed.

01:48:02.340 I mean, if you look at those No Kings protests that the progressives put on a couple weeks ago, I mean, that was a very impressive organizational feat.

01:48:09.020 And it boosies us to ask, would you be able to put together a local protest in your community?

01:48:13.280 Certainly, there have been a lot of right-wing active groups that have tried things over the last 10 years.

01:48:17.500 Some have succeeded more than others.

01:48:19.380 But it is something that you have to learn through only practical experience.

01:48:23.540 It's not something you can just do.

01:48:25.160 You have to actually see where the potential supporters are in your community.

01:48:29.000 You have to power map, as the leftists say, and see where the people you have to approach are.

01:48:32.760 When I was working at the Leadership Institute, that was the Conservative Inc. company that basically gave me my first job.

01:48:38.760 What they said was political victory is determined by the number of effective activists on each side.

01:48:44.520 I think that's a very useful, pragmatic way of looking at building political power.

01:48:50.560 What does it mean to have effective political activists on their side?

01:48:53.740 Partially, it means taking the people you already have and making them more effective through training, through experience, through building their willpower, through ideological indoctrination and cadre building and all these sorts of things.

01:49:05.300 These are important.

01:49:06.060 But also, it means getting resources so you can pay people, so you can free them up to do things that are productive for the cause instead of doing things that they don't necessarily want to do or may not even be good at just to pay the bills.

01:49:21.120 I mean, I think that the average one activist on our side is worth 10 on the other side.

01:49:28.380 But the problem is that for every one of ours, they have like 1,000.

01:49:31.540 And one of the reasons they have that is because we're paying their salaries. 0.75

01:49:36.920 Yeah, correct.

01:49:38.620 Yeah, it was the point you made earlier.

01:49:40.020 Instead of them – this is interesting, right?

01:49:42.900 Okay, if George W. Bush put that system or at least kind of dropped the ideas of like, oh, we can do it this way.

01:49:48.920 Look at this.

01:49:49.460 Here, we give this group money.

01:49:50.700 That's one of the things I want – I don't know if that's what started it, but the timing seems to make sense because there was not – you don't remember – I don't know, when we were kids or something like that.

01:50:00.660 You don't remember refugee resettlement as being the primary thing that your church did.

01:50:06.360 Right, right.

01:50:07.080 Whereas now that seems to be the only thing they really care about.

01:50:10.660 I mean, they're not even really religious organizations.

01:50:12.560 Certainly the mainline Protestant ones are not even religious organizations in any meaningful sense.

01:50:16.760 No, it became about that.

01:50:18.800 But so the point is then – okay, let's assume that's true.

01:50:21.880 I'm not sure my point still stands down.

01:50:23.400 But the leftists, they got angry about it, but they didn't say let's shut it down.

01:50:28.420 No, they said let's use it.

01:50:30.620 Let's take advantage of it, right?

01:50:32.440 And there's the same thing there.

01:50:33.320 We get to – we still have this – we're not fighting like this is existential yet, collectively speaking.

01:50:40.740 And that's the problem, right?

01:50:42.600 It's principled and it's – well, you have to – it doesn't matter.

01:50:47.700 Go high.

01:50:48.400 Do whatever you have to go.

01:50:49.680 Go wherever you have to go on the map in order to achieve victory, essentially.

01:50:53.760 We're not like willing to win just yet for some reason.

01:50:57.340 I'm not sure what the reason for that are, what our problem, again, collectively speaking, is.

01:51:03.820 But we're just not getting it yet, are we?

01:51:05.620 But we're close.

01:51:06.660 We're getting closer.

01:51:07.560 We're getting better.

01:51:10.000 Mass constituency organizations being formed, greater development of willpower, greater ideological seriousness.

01:51:16.440 One thing – and I'm not sure there's a way to work around this.

01:51:19.120 I mean you and I both said earlier, neurosis is almost a political advantage.

01:51:22.620 And the fact that most of the insane people – and I mean insane by their own standards – are on the left is actually a political advantage.

01:51:29.600 There's no scenario where you or I or, frankly, anybody watching this is going to stay up for 30 hours straight editing Wikipedia articles to smear the other side.

01:51:39.500 But they will.

01:51:40.940 Like that is what you're dealing with.

01:51:42.420 And the solution to that is not let's be more neurotic than they are.

01:51:47.260 We have to think of a different way of operating that allows us to overcome that.

01:51:51.340 Building certain kinds of functional institutions within our communities where people are making money, owning property, building solidarity, becoming anti-fragile, being able to stand up against these kinds of things.

01:52:01.760 That may be what this looks like as opposed to just trying to out – I thought you were just going to say it.

01:52:08.440 I'm more neurotic than the leftist.

01:52:09.640 Let's weaponize the Spurge. 1.00

01:52:10.440 I mean this is sort of like – right, yeah.

01:52:12.400 Well, weaponizing the Spurge definitely helps.

01:52:14.420 It does help.

01:52:15.020 That's what Gamergate was about.

01:52:16.700 Everybody has their role to play.

01:52:18.240 But even the way they do things, even the people who fixate on a certain cultural issue and go nuts, they don't go after it quite the same way that a leftist does.

01:52:27.620 No.

01:52:27.780 They'll do research, they'll write papers, they'll make videos, breaking down all this stuff.

01:52:32.400 It's still much more sane than just doing unhinged nonsense to try to destroy people the way the leftists do.

01:52:40.220 Yeah.

01:52:40.380 But to say – I don't think we can necessarily use left-wing tactics to our advantage all the time.

01:52:48.660 I used to talk on Saul Linsky all the time when I was doing conservative stuff.

01:52:52.700 And Rules for Radicals is an interesting book.

01:52:54.720 There are a lot of interesting things that you can learn from it there.

01:52:56.880 But a lot of the things that Saul Linsky and other left-wing radicals would use as tactics, they just don't work for us because they presuppose having the media on your side.

01:53:07.620 They presuppose having this kind of like liberal morality that you can use.

01:53:10.960 And we just don't.

01:53:11.840 I think to say that we can just operate as left-wingers, certainly we can adopt some of the revolutionary spirit, certainly we've got to adopt the attitude of seriousness and existential struggle.

01:53:23.580 But we can't just use their tactics and expect it to work.

01:53:27.280 Doing that is like saying, well, we are facing this demographic situation.

01:53:31.660 What do we do?

01:53:32.280 We're just going to outbreed every other group.

01:53:34.460 It doesn't work that way.

01:53:35.200 Yeah, no.

01:53:37.040 You're never going to get everyone on your side.

01:53:38.840 It's not about that.

01:53:39.780 And partially their tactics are-

01:53:41.820 This is not the way we operate.

01:53:43.080 I mean, it's just not who we are.

01:53:44.220 I know, exactly.

01:53:45.380 You can't be something other than you are.

01:53:47.040 If you look at the RK selection thing, I mean, for the most part, we're more interested in high investment parenting as opposed to just plopping down.

01:53:52.740 I mean, look, there's some great people that we know that, you know, God's blessed them, but they can have tons of kids and somehow they're pulling it off.

01:54:00.020 And I think it is just harder for whites because we put more emphasis on quality, not quantity.

01:54:08.440 Of course, we have to push up against that and do as much as we can anyway, right?

01:54:12.280 But it's a totally different fundamental starting point to begin with, right?

01:54:17.060 If that makes sense.

01:54:18.440 Right.

01:54:18.680 And that's the metaphor I'm using with these tactics.

01:54:21.480 It's not, we need to think of, if you think of this in terms of children comparing this to political tactics, the kind of tactics we need to be using need to be more high investment, high return, as opposed to just acting crazily in all directions.

01:54:33.700 The left can kind of do that.

01:54:34.860 We can't.

01:54:35.700 And one of the reasons that they can do this is because they have the foundations.

01:54:39.060 They have the taxpayer support.

01:54:40.700 They have the support networks.

01:54:42.280 They have the people in the universities.

01:54:44.100 They have the people in the unions.

01:54:45.560 They have the people in the churches.

01:54:47.340 We do not.

01:54:47.960 But even, oh, I'm sorry.

01:54:49.200 No, finish that point before I cut you off.

01:54:50.660 No, I mean, that's basically it.

01:54:52.100 I mean, we are, we're going to have to go about this in a different way.

01:54:55.420 But again, I think that a lot of the things, if I say, oh, okay, we need to do this, we need to do this, we need to do this.

01:55:00.500 These things are being done.

01:55:02.400 There are people whose names that you and I both know who are doing these things.

01:55:05.660 Yes, correct.

01:55:06.280 So, despite the fact that they have those institutions, let's say, that you mentioned, the leftists, it's interesting that they also, though, just seem to kind of have them in place or preserve them so that they can attack their enemy, us.

01:55:23.260 In other words, I think it is true that they're genuinely not interested in actually building anything or doing it.

01:55:29.520 Their interest is literally just to, like, tear us down and destroy things.

01:55:34.080 This is inherent to the left.

01:55:35.820 I mean, my definition of left v. right, people are like, well, I'm beyond left and right.

01:55:40.180 Like, no, you're not.

01:55:40.820 Nobody says that except you're on the far right.

01:55:42.640 Left is fundamentally about egalitarianism.

01:55:45.940 The right is fundamentally about hierarchy.

01:55:47.560 The left is fundamentally about entropy.

01:55:49.140 The right is fundamentally about order.

01:55:51.140 And the left can never admit that it is in power.

01:55:56.460 There can be no self-conscious left-wing regime that can ever admit we won because to admit that we have won, that we are wielding power, that we are sovereign, is to no longer be a leftist.

01:56:10.040 It is to deny oneself because the whole thing is built upon a critique of power and reducing things to the level of equality.

01:56:17.460 And so it is a permanent revolution in the fullest sense.

01:56:21.300 There's no point, and this is critical for right-wingers to understand, there's no point at which you can give them enough stuff and then they go, okay, we're satisfied.

01:56:31.960 Because you're not talking about anything real.

01:56:34.240 Like, the actual concrete policies that you're discussing don't really matter.

01:56:39.320 You're talking about a greater spirit of deconstruction.

01:56:42.920 That's what's core to the left.

01:56:44.580 And so there's no point where you can appease these people.

01:56:48.900 There's no point where you can give them what they want.

01:56:50.980 There's no point, and you can even take a kind of pleasure in this, although it's pretty thin pleasure.

01:56:55.600 There's no point where they can win. 0.94

01:56:57.160 And even if they eradicated white people, you're going to see the same people, probably with less developed pros, screaming about how white racism still dominates everything they do. 0.97

01:57:08.120 For sure. 0.98

01:57:08.580 I mean, even in something like Haiti, you'll have, like, the blacks complaining about the colors and saying that they're ruining everything because they're more white. 0.99

01:57:14.620 I mean, this is everywhere. 0.95

01:57:16.860 And you can't negotiate with these people.

01:57:19.800 You just have to defeat them.

01:57:21.640 Well, their non-victory is still our defeat, right?

01:57:24.380 Our defeat.

01:57:24.940 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:57:26.140 Yeah.

01:57:26.520 But it's interesting because, yeah, there was a point I wanted to mention.

01:57:31.480 But, yeah, they tear things down in that capacity.

01:57:34.060 That's just who they are.

01:57:35.660 And, oh, in fact, that's what I want to say.

01:57:37.780 So even when they've achieved all those victories, right, like where is the white supremacist, you know, kind of like, they will invent new ones.

01:57:46.600 They will create a new group that's victimized.

01:57:49.000 They will, like, this is why it's a mythology, right?

01:57:51.840 This is kind of why it's unwinnable at the same time because they don't even operate in the real world anymore.

01:57:57.040 It's just like a – this is what I think the whole woke thing was about, right?

01:58:00.420 Right.

01:58:00.740 When we think about what are the kinds of things that we need to do in terms of building the kinds of institutions we need, doing effective political activism, it's going to look a lot different than the way leftists operate because leftism's great advantage is precisely that it's impossible, that it can never win.

01:58:18.540 There was this saying among young Americans for freedom.

01:58:20.560 This was a conservative youth group in the 1960s and it was don't amenitize the eschaton.

01:58:24.320 Basically, it means don't try to demand the supernatural state of grace like in the real world.

01:58:31.440 Basically, you can't demand utopia.

01:58:33.420 You and I can both probably name specific times in history, specific regimes, specific periods where it may not be everything that we want, but we'd be like, yeah, that's good enough.

01:58:44.620 I'd take that.

01:58:45.580 That's pretty great.

01:58:46.460 Yeah.

01:58:46.560 A leftist can never do that unless it's like some obscure thing like, oh, the anarchists in Catalonia for like two weeks at the beginning of the Spanish Civil War.

01:58:55.900 You know, like it's never anything real because it's because it's impossible that you're always being driven by this frenzy against injustice or thinking that the worst time in history, the most fierce oppression is what's happening to you right now.

01:59:10.080 It is diluted.

01:59:11.940 It is insane in some sense, but that's precisely why it's effective.

01:59:16.920 Yeah.

01:59:17.040 And that's something that – Joe Sobern had a thing where he said to really make a leftist confused, ask him in what kind of society would he be a conservative?

01:59:28.820 There's never really an answer to that question.

01:59:31.600 Yeah.

01:59:31.920 Interesting point.

01:59:32.760 Exactly.

01:59:33.760 Would they – you have achieved it, so would you be willing to conserve that ideal utopia now that you're in?

01:59:40.060 In, right?

01:59:41.140 Right.

01:59:41.580 Let's – I mean there's – my boss and I, Jared Taylor, often have debates about whether – when people make foolish arguments, whether they're making it in bad faith or not.

01:59:51.820 Mr. Taylor is a much more trusting soul than I am.

01:59:54.600 He thinks that these people are given to naivete, whereas I think these people are more often given to malice.

01:59:59.780 Yeah.

01:59:59.940 But let's give a specific example.

02:00:02.280 So Hassan Piker was recently in China, and of course he couldn't get enough of how great the Chinese system was and how great all these wonderful things were.

02:00:09.360 And then when he came back, of course he was doing interviews, including with so-called conservatives, same conservatives who won't talk to us.

02:00:16.440 And they were asking him what –

02:00:17.800 Kissing, constantly kissing, right?

02:00:18.400 Right.

02:00:18.720 Thank you.

02:00:19.720 And this is from this interview, in fact.

02:00:22.040 They asked him like, well, what system has the closest thing to the sorts of policies you want?

02:00:26.600 And he said, okay, China.

02:00:27.880 And it's like, well, let's note China.

02:00:30.600 Ethnically more or less homogenous.

02:00:34.060 Socially very conservative.

02:00:36.320 Extremely nationalist.

02:00:37.460 Extremely militaristic.

02:00:38.740 No homeless people.

02:00:39.760 No drug addicts.

02:00:41.140 No – any kind of the social dysfunction that you see on the streets of American cities.

02:00:46.180 If you saw people acting on the subways there the way people act here, I mean, the secret police are going to come and throw you in a prison forever, and they're just never going to hear from them again.

02:00:55.180 Now, if one were to say, okay, Hassan Piker, we are going to start implementing Chinese government-style policies toward culture, toward crime, towards the aesthetics of cities, toward the military, toward the fundamental direction of the nation state, is he going to say, actually, this is great?

02:01:17.400 This is what I wanted all along.

02:01:18.780 No, of course not, because everybody is a blood-and-soil nationalist.

02:01:22.600 Everybody is actually a far-right winger for the people that they actually like.

02:01:27.240 And the reason he's saying these things is not because he wants our country to be more like this.

02:01:32.120 It's because he wants this country to be torn down.

02:01:35.500 Yeah.

02:01:36.020 That is the actual pattern that you see over and over and over again.

02:01:40.220 I mean, again, it's always kind of funny when you see these leftists say things like, oh, China is doing so great, because let's be honest.

02:01:46.780 If there's one large country in the world that can recognizably be called national socialist, it's probably the People's Republic of China.

02:01:57.120 Yeah, it's – I don't know.

02:01:58.940 And then –

02:01:59.220 Pretty close.

02:01:59.820 Kissing is fine platforming.

02:02:00.980 Can you think of another one that's closer to it?

02:02:03.360 I would have to think about it.

02:02:04.320 I guess not, maybe.

02:02:06.380 Not one that exists now, certainly.

02:02:07.760 Don't throw out a left field.

02:02:08.940 I got to think about that one.

02:02:09.780 Anyway, good one.

02:02:11.740 Yeah, but Kissing is fine to platform these – again, and it kind of goes back to the idea we talked about.

02:02:16.760 And just a quick note on that, and then we'll take some of the super chats here before we begin wrapping up.

02:02:21.200 But it does feel like it's this – and I'm sure you have your thoughts on this, too, and obviously working with Jared and American Renaissance and now doing the Identity Politics show and all that stuff, right?

02:02:32.120 That it was this period like we were just kind of held down and then it was like allowed for other content creators to now basically more or less kind of have the same talking points that people like us did and still do to a certain extent and kind of allowed to roam free.

02:02:50.700 And I always found that fascinating that like there seems to be in this concerted effort to like, okay, well, you can talk about certain things, but these people cannot talk about those specific things.

02:03:01.300 And I've always wondered is this to make – because they're fine ultimately with the Candace Owens, right?

02:03:06.940 She's not going to be able – she can't advocate for our people, right? 0.76

02:03:09.800 It's not – right, and it's also – it's just a game, right?

02:03:13.100 I mean you're just saying, oh, Bridgette Marcone or whatever her name is, is a man and all UFOs are over here and all this kind of stuff.

02:03:19.200 It's like, all right.

02:03:20.000 You can bring down the other arguments with those – what comes with that, right?

02:03:25.860 Josh Neal, who has a book for Antelope Hill called – I believe it's Intolerant Interpretations.

02:03:30.720 I had him on Identity Pox early on, and he has a mechanism where he talks about conspiracy theories.

02:03:38.060 And the issue, of course, is not that – I mean I tend to be skeptical of them, but everybody has certain conspiracies they believe in, right?

02:03:44.100 I mean we've all seen actual conspiracies that actually happen.

02:03:47.660 You may have even been involved in them.

02:03:49.160 If you've been involved in an election and there was some sort of a campaign trick that worked, guess what?

02:03:53.740 You were involved in a conspiracy, right?

02:03:55.240 The issue with a conspiracy theory is you have to ask yourself, well, what is the takeaway?

02:04:01.540 What is the practical action from this thing?

02:04:05.360 Because if you have a conspiracy theory that says, well, this group, this intellectual movement, this ethnic group, this whatever is in control or responsible for this thing, there is actually something you can do about it, right?

02:04:19.120 Like you can oppose it.

02:04:20.280 You can expose it.

02:04:21.220 You can talk about it.

02:04:22.460 There's a practical thing.

02:04:23.660 When you have conspiracies where it's, well, it's aliens, well, it's demons, well, it's this supernatural force and whatever else, whether you believe in the conspiracy or not doesn't really matter.

02:04:36.080 There's no practical import to anything you're being told here.

02:04:40.300 So essentially it just becomes entertainment.

02:04:43.000 It just becomes slop.

02:04:44.440 And I think the reason that a lot of these things get a hearing now is precisely because they are entertaining, precisely because they can't lead to concrete action.

02:04:54.740 I mean, one of the reasons I stress white identity politics so much is it's something concrete.

02:04:59.000 Everybody knows what it means.

02:05:00.240 Everybody knows what it will look like.

02:05:01.460 The left is certainly afraid of it.

02:05:03.220 Yeah.

02:05:04.060 Yep.

02:05:04.460 Good point.

02:05:05.120 Good point.

02:05:05.480 One of the big things that we have to think about too is obviously there are, it's tempting to say, well, the more extreme you are, the less likely you are to be platformed.

02:05:16.400 And that's certainly true to some extent, but it's not always true.

02:05:20.300 I mean, I would say in many ways, I'm more extreme than my boss, Jared Taylor, but Jared Taylor has probably been censored just about more than anybody I know.

02:05:31.080 I mean, certainly if you look at what happened before, he's kind of been let go a little bit.

02:05:36.020 I mean, everybody has.

02:05:36.860 But if you look at like Nick Fuentes, Jared Taylor, a few others, I mean, they were pretty much de-platformed from everything, while people who were more extreme were not.

02:05:50.300 I mean, certainly I don't think anybody, even people who may have their criticisms of him, would say Jared Taylor is the most extreme guy in the sphere.

02:05:58.040 But he has gotten probably the most extreme censorship, or at least comparably extreme censorship, to everybody else in the sphere.

02:06:05.260 So you have to ask the question, well, what is the point of the censorship?

02:06:08.700 Is it to prevent extremism, or is it to prevent effectiveness?

02:06:13.360 It's to prevent palatability.

02:06:15.420 Someone who speaks to people, someone who can actually connect with people, and is like, hey, look, this makes sense, right, kind of thing.

02:06:20.940 So yeah, no, it's exactly, it's different. 0.96

02:06:23.680 Yeah, so now can Tucker have Jared Taylor on his goddamn podcast, or what? 0.95

02:06:27.320 Is that kind of what I want to say? 0.98

02:06:29.800 By forming Fuentes, you know.

02:06:31.520 It's not, it's not the, well, I mean, I think that's an interesting thing.

02:06:35.160 I mean, I think the reason Tucker had Nick on is because, you remember, it was when he had Candace Owens on.

02:06:41.640 And Tucker made this, like, kind of dismissive thing.

02:06:45.940 I think he called Nick Fuentes, like, gay kid in a basement or something like that. 0.94

02:06:49.180 And Nick went completely nuts and took him down in this kind of rant. 0.90

02:06:52.820 And I think pretty much everybody agreed that he got the better of that round.

02:06:55.700 And that's why Tucker had him on.

02:06:58.480 I don't think that that was something he just, like, chose to do originally.

02:07:02.340 But if you want to talk about, like, him having Jared Taylor on, I don't think that would just emerge.

02:07:08.360 There would have to be, and I don't think it would happen just from pressure, people yelling at him online.

02:07:12.840 There would have to be some kind of an issue.

02:07:14.680 There would have to be some sort of proof that there's a real political force behind this guy.

02:07:19.880 And that's the challenge.

02:07:21.320 That's where we're at right now.

02:07:22.340 Otherwise, this is all just kind of abstract.

02:07:25.620 Yeah, interesting point.

02:07:26.800 Okay, so we've got a couple here.

02:07:27.900 Spartan Sardikar says, Ron Mamdami claimed he would arrest Netanyahu.

02:07:32.220 But his police chief will be Jessica Tish, an Askenazi. 0.89

02:07:36.100 Now, not that the feds would allow it in the first place. 0.86

02:07:41.460 It still shows he's a total fraud.

02:07:43.320 Well, I mean, again, let me show the graph one more time.

02:07:46.840 I've done this a couple of times now.

02:07:47.960 But, yeah, I mean, yeah, he's Mamdami is whatever he needs to be, right? 1.00

02:07:52.900 He's kind of a, he's a perfect politician.

02:07:55.180 To the leftists, he's radical, you know, to the Muslims, he's radical Muslims. 0.78

02:07:59.240 To the Zionists, he's a good friend of Israel, right? 0.83

02:08:01.420 But this is the nature now in a multiracial and therefore multi, you know, ethnic political sphere, right?

02:08:09.800 Where, like, you have to be, I mean, there's even clips out there where he's, like, changing dialect depending on what country he showed up to.

02:08:17.080 He's just total actor, basically.

02:08:18.260 No, no, no.

02:08:18.620 You don't understand.

02:08:19.760 He's just code switching.

02:08:21.120 Code switching is an important part.

02:08:23.400 Forgot about that one.

02:08:24.160 Color experience, yes.

02:08:25.320 That's right, that's right.

02:08:26.180 I went to college.

02:08:27.100 I know what codes are. 0.97

02:08:29.300 I hate these people so much.

02:08:32.120 No, but, I mean, it's an interesting point. 0.82

02:08:34.180 I mean, because a lot of people will say, like, well, you know, he was anti-Zionist and everything else.

02:08:37.860 And then, of course, I think it was, like, a week before the election, he did the speech where he said, oh, well, actually, if you support the state of Israel, that doesn't mean you're not going to get a job in my administration.

02:08:47.180 I mean, it's not, you know, something you're going to be banned over.

02:08:50.380 But, certainly, I don't think we need to imagine that being pro-white would be welcome. 0.91

02:08:55.060 Certainly, he's never compromised on any of the anti-white stuff. 0.59

02:08:58.400 I mean, we can look at these groups and we can say, okay, well, he has this to say about this group.

02:09:02.780 He has this to say about that group.

02:09:04.020 But the one constant that you've seen from everybody is you still have to be anti-white. 0.83

02:09:08.380 And, to me, that's still the fundamental issue.

02:09:10.760 Yeah.

02:09:12.160 Spartan Sardegard, again, a rumbles regarding the Epstein stuff.

02:09:15.020 Obviously, having defiled this doesn't matter at all.

02:09:16.860 Only matters who is getting arrested, which is nobody.

02:09:19.300 I think you're correct on that.

02:09:20.260 Nobody will be arrested.

02:09:22.320 No argument here.

02:09:22.900 It goes to, this is, that is the government that even if, I mean, of course, Trump is probably implicated.

02:09:30.480 He had a relationship with him himself.

02:09:31.820 So, he, even himself.

02:09:32.940 But I'm saying that if that's how deeply, how long was Epstein going on?

02:09:36.820 How many of those operations, Epstein-like operations, are going on now that we don't even know about?

02:09:41.940 Do you see what I'm saying?

02:09:42.440 Like, if you have a foreign interest nation willing to deceit and undermine and blackmail and do criminal things to get their way, it's not going to catch them on some morality kind of thing or whatever, right?

02:09:54.740 This could be going on right now.

02:09:57.480 It would be great to get the names.

02:09:59.200 All we're asking is, like, just show us who the clients were.

02:10:01.880 And, I mean, we have, we kind of have, there's people mapped out together anyway, right?

02:10:05.320 Dawson did.

02:10:05.880 He did a great map on it.

02:10:06.900 He shows who was arrested, who was on the plane, who was indicted from this, who had a relationship with Epstein, who donated to him.

02:10:13.000 Like, you can piece this puzzle together and pretty much get a good idea that this is not some Democrat hoax.

02:10:19.060 This is deeply infested into the entire political sphere, and it shows you the nature of the problem that we're faced with in terms of, like, oh, I want to change this and do that.

02:10:29.280 You're never going to do it with people like this involved.

02:10:31.680 They're beholden to completely other interests than ours, right?

02:10:35.460 I imagine that what's happening now, the sort of intelligence operations, are something more sophisticated and probably less focused on sex than this was.

02:10:45.480 I mean, the thing with Epstein's operation is it seems fairly crude.

02:10:48.260 What's probably happening now, especially with the kind of technology that is now available to people, it's probably a lot more.

02:10:55.200 And you have to ask yourself, and this, I hate to almost say this because it's like, well, what do you do with this information?

02:11:00.480 But the thing that always makes you wonder, the thing that maybe even keeps you up at night sometimes is once you get to a certain level of prominence in any field, is there sort of an approach where it's like, okay, you need to play ball with these institutions.

02:11:18.600 You need to play ball with this thing or we're going to destroy you because you certainly can see how that's plausible, how that could be done.

02:11:27.800 But, of course, you can't prove that one way or the other.

02:11:30.280 It's just something that's always kind of there.

02:11:32.880 I mean, if you had said the Epstein files, if you had talked about that 20 years ago, I mean, that would be the definition of lunacy.

02:11:39.420 You would not listen to anybody who screamed about this kind of stuff, but here we are.

02:11:43.660 Here we are.

02:11:44.700 Yeah, the tinfoil hats have been correct more times than not, it seems like, to be honest.

02:11:49.000 Yeah, and the difference between a right-wing conspiracy theory and the truth tends to be about a decade.

02:11:54.700 Yeah, exactly.

02:11:56.540 Albert, huge donor here from Albert.

02:11:58.960 Arctic Bull, thank you so much, man.

02:12:00.400 We always appreciate you.

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02:12:05.140 Hi, Henrik.

02:12:05.680 Looking forward to watching the show after work.

02:12:08.000 Take care and have a great Thanksgiving.

02:12:10.280 You as well, Albert.

02:12:11.240 Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

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02:12:23.980 Dogwhistler here says,

02:12:25.540 U.S. judges' rulings are politically motivated rather than based purely on law,

02:12:30.240 especially when challenging conservative policies or social issues.

02:12:34.060 Ironically, they tend to be conservative when policies or figures are economic.

02:12:38.760 Yes, correct.

02:12:39.400 It's like judges are aligned with a strange liberal merchant class or race.

02:12:44.480 Wonder who the lawyers are.

02:12:45.960 Yeah, and that's, of course, not always true, but it's disproportionately true, I'd say. 0.99

02:12:51.640 Dogwhistler here again says,

02:12:52.580 Question for your guest.

02:12:53.520 Question for you, then, Kevin.

02:12:54.620 Do you think there's something brewing with this whole military-to-defy-orders controversy?

02:12:59.680 I am thinking if Trump tries to federalize the National Guards in Chicago and Pritzker says,

02:13:05.060 I'm commander of chief here and literally try a coup, am I way off base in your opinion?

02:13:12.980 I don't think you're way off base.

02:13:14.640 I mean, they wouldn't have done something like this if there wasn't something going on.

02:13:17.580 I mean, there are two possibilities here.

02:13:19.220 One is, this is simply a matter of record,

02:13:22.300 that the president has already been discussing with the military,

02:13:25.300 and the military is discussing amongst itself a kind of rapid reaction force for civil disorder.

02:13:30.200 And obviously, the big thing would be, what if it doesn't obey orders?

02:13:33.340 Keep in mind, this already happened.

02:13:35.020 Keep in mind that during President Trump's first term,

02:13:38.760 there was a point where the president wanted to use the military

02:13:42.440 to basically suppress the disorder that was happening in D.C.

02:13:46.280 You remember, the president was driven to a bunker below the White House,

02:13:50.360 and the military, under Mark Miley, basically refused to do the kinds of things that he wanted to do.

02:13:57.200 This is one of the reasons that he became such a big critic.

02:14:00.640 So there is a possibility that if things were pushed in a certain direction,

02:14:05.200 they're preparing to make sure that the military is not going to just obey Trump no matter what.

02:14:10.380 The other thing is, of course, what's happening in terms of foreign policy.

02:14:14.320 And I think that if we are going to get into a war anytime soon,

02:14:17.440 it's not going to be in the Middle East.

02:14:19.020 It'll probably be over Venezuela.

02:14:20.100 And I could see Venezuela has certain ties on the American left

02:14:25.620 that I imagine certain people would be unhappy to see that regime go down.

02:14:29.880 And you could certainly imagine certain people not wanting the military to make that happen,

02:14:35.220 or at least to get in the way of President Trump trying to make that happen.

02:14:38.920 Yeah, very interesting.

02:14:41.060 Yeah.

02:14:41.240 I think the domestic thing that he brought up first, though, is infinitely more likely.

02:14:45.280 Right, right.

02:14:46.400 The president can pretty much do whatever he wants in terms of foreign policy.

02:14:49.240 That's the one place where he really does have power.

02:14:51.480 Yeah, I mean, it showed you, too.

02:14:53.780 I mean, this is one of the things that conspiracy theorists talked about,

02:14:56.860 like none of the power is really held by the president.

02:14:59.520 It's just the formality, really.

02:15:01.760 I mean, it shouldn't be, but it's like, as you've learned,

02:15:04.060 including the first administration, right?

02:15:05.920 Like they just didn't, oh, they didn't know what they were dealing with.

02:15:08.420 They got in all this resistance.

02:15:09.980 They thought, like, well, okay, he's the president now.

02:15:11.440 Let's kind of like, let's work together here.

02:15:13.220 Let's try to get in.

02:15:13.800 No, that didn't happen, right?

02:15:15.260 And then the second administration, and certainly it's been more hardcore on some issues,

02:15:20.880 obviously, right?

02:15:21.580 They pushed much harder, but they can still come up against the limits of it very quickly.

02:15:26.300 Yeah, I mean, it's better.

02:15:28.860 I mean, if you look at, I mean, this is kind of an aside

02:15:31.420 and how much of this is inside baseball or whatever,

02:15:33.960 but before the first administration, there was this brief effort

02:15:37.900 where they were going to try to get all these loyalists in the administration.

02:15:41.260 This is the first Trump tournament.

02:15:42.500 I was sort of involved in that.

02:15:44.560 People were sending resumes and stuff like that.

02:15:47.140 And I wasn't like certainly anybody who had any kind of authority,

02:15:50.640 but I was helping pass along this to certain people.

02:15:53.460 And what I was basically told was that it was actually Mike Pence's people

02:15:57.020 who more or less took over staffing.

02:15:58.740 And anybody who was a Trump loyalist, anybody who really believed in the 2016 campaign,

02:16:03.360 basically had the resume thrown in the trash.

02:16:05.460 And what you had basically were conservative Inc. staffers

02:16:08.500 who filled the Trump administration,

02:16:09.760 and that's why he was being sabotaged every single time.

02:16:12.960 Now, obviously, with the second term, you've got a lot more loyalty.

02:16:15.940 Notice you almost never hear leaks anymore, do you?

02:16:19.420 Interesting.

02:16:19.900 Remember during the first term, you would always get a leak.

02:16:22.800 You'd have Trump administration officials writing columns for the New York Times

02:16:26.800 being like, I am the silent resistance from within the administration. 0.98

02:16:30.680 You don't have any of that crap now. 0.93

02:16:32.440 I mean, obviously, they've done a better job, 0.98

02:16:34.360 but the political appointees are one thing,

02:16:38.080 because to some extent, with a little bit of forethought,

02:16:40.120 you can guarantee loyalty there.

02:16:42.600 The bureaucracy, the military, the intelligence,

02:16:45.860 it's not like he can just replace all these people,

02:16:49.300 and you're still going to have to deal with that.

02:16:51.500 And I think they realized that, and therefore, the freak,

02:16:55.120 clearly, the second term was not the freak out it was during the first term.

02:16:58.420 It's kind of like, meh, you know, because it wasn't that bad.

02:17:00.820 Yeah, and also, he was kind of normalized a little bit, too.

02:17:04.360 And I think, in many ways, the most interesting thing that happened

02:17:07.720 is the one legislative accomplishment,

02:17:09.220 which is, of course, ICE essentially becoming a paramilitary force.

02:17:13.320 That's the first branch of the federal government

02:17:17.660 that has a more or less explicitly right-wing orientation

02:17:22.080 than I can think of in living memory.

02:17:24.820 I mean, that's not true of the FBI.

02:17:26.280 That's not true of the CIA.

02:17:27.440 That's not even really true of most of the military

02:17:29.560 following some of the reforms that have already taken place.

02:17:32.660 Yeah, and let's not forget a word of caution there, too, right?

02:17:35.660 Because that's how these things work, but 2028, 2032, whatever, right?

02:17:40.820 Do you now have a – because look at the history

02:17:43.620 of the Department of Homeland Security.

02:17:44.980 Just the prior term, literally, even doing COVID lockdowns,

02:17:47.800 it's like white supremacists are, you know, 0.99

02:17:50.340 the biggest problems that there are. 0.99

02:17:52.040 This is, you know, that is the body seal, as I said before.

02:17:55.360 Yes, you have to kind of take the whole into account.

02:17:58.040 You can't just stare yourself blind on what the current administration is doing

02:18:00.720 because that might go out the window tomorrow.

02:18:02.280 So you've got to look at the whole – look at the last, I don't know,

02:18:04.860 10 presidents or something and try to kind of – okay, where is this going?

02:18:08.740 Where is this heading, right?

02:18:09.840 And we see a trend in one direction, obviously.

02:18:11.840 But I'm saying those troops or forces or whatever can then just now be, whoops,

02:18:16.460 turned into, you know, cracking down on domestic terrorism,

02:18:21.180 white nationalism, potentially, right?

02:18:23.240 Maybe.

02:18:23.760 I mean, but that's not the way the Democrats have been talking about it.

02:18:26.160 They've been talking about it more in terms of bringing these guys up on charges.

02:18:29.360 And I don't think – their base is in a position where I don't think they can tolerate this

02:18:35.560 continuing to exist and saying, okay, we're simply going to change the target.

02:18:40.380 Maybe they could try it, but certainly the types of people who have been brought in

02:18:44.720 to this department are of a certain type because if you're responding to these ads –

02:18:51.280 then personnel is policy, right?

02:18:53.380 I mean, it's not just, oh, people just obey orders.

02:18:57.100 Well, yes, okay, people do obey orders.

02:18:59.780 But it still does matter what type of people are pulling triggers

02:19:03.860 and holding these staff positions.

02:19:06.220 Then I think the type of people in ICE are probably fundamentally different in many ways

02:19:09.920 than the types of government employees that you see in other departments

02:19:13.360 like the FBI or the CIA.

02:19:15.100 Yeah, I think you're right there.

02:19:16.320 I think that's true.

02:19:17.520 Yeah, maybe they don't want to use that department.

02:19:20.700 Maybe they kind of shut that part of it down.

02:19:22.060 They'll probably try to defund it. 0.87

02:19:23.220 They'll probably try to defund it. 0.87

02:19:24.440 Yeah, but they'll set up their own version of that. 0.99

02:19:26.400 I guess that's what I'm saying.

02:19:27.160 Yeah, they'll do like a DHS, whatever, to go white supremacy task force 1.00

02:19:31.620 or something stupid like that. 1.00

02:19:34.540 Okay, Archie says, today was a white pill show. 1.00

02:19:37.140 Let's get active.

02:19:38.180 Correct, Archie.

02:19:38.840 Thank you.

02:19:39.260 We got Dog Whistler again here.

02:19:40.380 Thank you for your support.

02:19:41.020 Dog Whistler, appreciate it today here.

02:19:42.780 Happy Thanksgiving.

02:19:44.260 I give thanks for your great content at Red Eyes.

02:19:47.220 Well, thank you.

02:19:47.700 We can't do it without great people like Kevin Deanna here who joins us today.

02:19:51.540 So what are you doing for Thanksgiving?

02:19:52.720 Taking it easy?

02:19:53.380 Spending time with the family?

02:19:54.480 Yeah, just with the family.

02:19:55.760 Nice.

02:19:56.140 I got all the kids here, so it's going to be a big thing.

02:19:58.800 And luckily, I don't have to travel this year, which is always nice.

02:20:02.300 That is nice.

02:20:02.860 It's always kind of hard when you've got like a one-year-old and a three-year-old

02:20:05.000 running around screaming.

02:20:06.080 I know the feels.

02:20:07.460 Yeah, that's why we just don't travel right now.

02:20:10.420 Let me get a little older.

02:20:11.860 All right, Kevin, tell us where people can find you.

02:20:13.620 Tell us about the show you're doing.

02:20:14.900 How often do you do it?

02:20:17.400 And of course, you do have some great monologues, as I said in the beginning.

02:20:21.460 And usually, it's kind of an interview at the halfway point or something like that.

02:20:24.840 That's usually seemed to be the format.

02:20:26.080 But I've been really enjoying it.

02:20:28.200 Awesome work on identity politics.

02:20:29.840 Thank you very much.

02:20:30.460 Yeah.

02:20:30.960 Well, you can find me, of course, at amren.com, where I'm the staff columnist there and basically

02:20:35.820 second in command to Jared Taylor.

02:20:37.360 You can find Identity Politics on Rumble and Odyssey.

02:20:39.780 Right now, we're doing it about three days a week, but eventually it will be more and

02:20:43.400 it'll be live streamed all the time.

02:20:44.900 But we just got this started.

02:20:46.060 So we're still kind of developing our whole system.

02:20:48.300 But we just had a new staff hire.

02:20:49.920 So look for a lot more content really soon.

02:20:52.180 Right.

02:20:52.440 And of course, follow the account on X or Twitter as well.

02:20:55.880 It's identity underscore poll.

02:20:57.600 If you want to follow the specific account for Identity Politics to show.

02:21:01.040 And of course, then you have James Kirkpatrick or the handle there is Veder James K on Twitter.

02:21:06.160 I will switch that over to Kevin Deanna at some point.

02:21:08.240 I've just been postponing it because it's always such a nightmare if you've got a verified account

02:21:11.540 with your name.

02:21:12.420 But I know it will be switched over to Kevin Deanna, though.

02:21:14.460 I promise.

02:21:15.160 OK, so does your account say you're based in the US?

02:21:17.960 Does it?

02:21:18.880 I hope so.

02:21:19.480 Where do you actually look at that?

02:21:20.620 I mean, I can't imagine it wouldn't be.

02:21:22.000 I've never been based in July.

02:21:23.780 Yeah, United States.

02:21:24.880 So our say Ireland.

02:21:25.960 Right now, our red ice account says Ireland.

02:21:30.340 And I was just like, OK, so this whole thing with like the India. 0.99

02:21:34.460 Like, I know, look, we all knew it was true, obviously.

02:21:37.700 Right.

02:21:37.860 All these soccer accounts and stuff like that. 0.97

02:21:40.400 But part of me is like, are they just fucking around here on some things?

02:21:43.560 They're just a thrown out because like I never used a VPN.

02:21:46.400 We set up in 2009 in Sweden at that time.

02:21:49.140 So you should have said Sweden like it was originally created there.

02:21:51.660 And then in 2013, we came over to the US side and then it was run out of here, basically.

02:21:56.160 Right.

02:21:56.740 But I mean, if that would have said Israel. 0.99

02:21:58.460 We would have been fucked like that could be that would have been it for us. 0.98

02:22:03.960 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:22:04.680 Yeah.

02:22:04.860 If it was if it was like just these totally.

02:22:06.720 Yeah.

02:22:06.980 If it's Ireland. 1.00

02:22:07.780 You know, I'm just saying they could have fucked with so many people. 0.99

02:22:11.480 And maybe they did. 0.99

02:22:12.240 That's my point.

02:22:12.820 Like, why is this not accurate?

02:22:14.060 You know, it's like anyway, that's I was just a.

02:22:15.840 That would have been that would have been pretty clever. 0.98

02:22:17.420 It would have been shit that I was giving some ideas. 0.99

02:22:20.460 I know. 0.99

02:22:21.460 Well, people say it was green ice.

02:22:24.220 They were doing Indiana based in Nigeria.

02:22:26.280 Like, I know exactly.

02:22:27.440 Do you not even.

02:22:29.260 Well, at least we have a at least we have a pre like AI and for the most part bought type

02:22:34.260 of kind of, you know, track record or trail, I guess you should say.

02:22:38.020 Right.

02:22:38.160 So we're kind of somewhat safe.

02:22:40.960 Oh, gosh.

02:22:41.700 Anyway, thank you, Kevin.

02:22:42.980 Real appreciate your time.

02:22:43.840 Keep up the fantastic work, sir.

02:22:45.540 And we can hopefully have you back on the show soon.

02:22:49.420 Absolutely.

02:22:49.960 Thank you so much for having me.

02:22:50.980 Happy Thanksgiving.

02:22:51.660 Happy Thanksgiving.

02:22:52.560 Appreciate it.

02:22:53.100 All right.

02:22:53.360 Very, very good.

02:22:53.960 OK, guys, that's Kevin Deanna identity politics.

02:22:56.700 Please check out the show.

02:22:57.920 Some great stuff there.

02:22:59.320 Really been enjoying it.

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02:30:45.200 The stereo turned out loud with a flat sound.

02:30:50.460 Cause I'm yours to keep if you want to.

02:30:58.680 I feel that you want to ditch me.

02:31:05.680 But you know I'm not such a bad thing.

02:31:13.060 We can't drive around with a jot down.

02:31:18.320 The stereo turned out loud with a flat sound.

02:31:27.120 Cause I'm yours to keep if you want to.

02:31:33.540 Cause I'm yours to keep if you want to.

02:31:39.220 We can have some fun with an eardrum.

02:32:00.020 We can't drive around with a jot down.

02:32:02.020 We can't drive around with a jot down.

02:32:15.020 The stereo turned out loud with a flat sound.

02:32:22.020 We can't drive around with a flat sound.

02:32:22.760 But you know I'm not such a bad thing.

02:32:24.020 We can't drive around with a flat sound.

02:32:25.020 We can't drive around with a flat sound.

02:32:25.320 We'll be right back.

02:32:55.320 Stereo turned out loud with a flat sound.

02:33:02.700 Cause I'm lost to keep if you want to.

02:33:09.080 Cause I'm lost to keep if you want to.

02:33:16.540 I'm lost to keep if you want to.

02:33:25.320 I'm lost to keep if you want to.

Red Ice TV - November 25, 2025

When The Pendulum Swings Back with Kevin DeAnna

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