Red Ice TV - December 20, 2023


Whitey On The Moon, 2024 Might Get A Bit Rocky - Paul Kersey


Episode Stats

Length

57 minutes

Words per Minute

189.04329

Word Count

10,879

Sentence Count

748

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

32


Summary

On this episode of American Renaissance, I sit down with author Paul Kersey to talk about his new book, Whitey on the Moon, which was originally published in 2016, but has now been republish by Antelope Hill Publishing. Paul talks about how he went from a self-published author to a best-selling author, how he became a public speaker, and what it was like to lose access to the internet in the age of Deplatforming.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.
00:00:30.000 We'll be right back.
00:01:00.000 We'll be right back.
00:01:30.000 One of the best shows out there.
00:01:31.780 So kudos to you and your team and your wife.
00:01:33.640 Well, thank you, Paul.
00:01:34.520 Very nice of you.
00:01:35.420 Of course, last time Paul was on, we did talk about his book, Whitey on the Moon.
00:01:41.500 Maybe we spoke about Black Mecca down to, I don't know.
00:01:44.500 But I think we did more focus on Whitey on the Moon, subtitled Race, Politics, and the
00:01:48.580 Death of the U.S. Space Program.
00:01:50.960 And this was kind of looking at this from like 1958 to 1972.
00:01:55.100 Now, this was originally published in 2016, and that's when we had you on the first time.
00:01:59.780 It had fallen out of print, and then Anthelope Hill has rolled around, right?
00:02:04.240 And I think they were like set up in 2019, 20, something like that, I think, or started, created.
00:02:10.860 And they picked it up, and they have now republished that together with Black Mecca down, right?
00:02:16.020 So tell us about that a little bit.
00:02:17.600 Yeah.
00:02:17.860 Well, actually, it kind of came out of nowhere last year.
00:02:20.040 Well, go back to 2020.
00:02:21.300 So many crazy things happened in 2020.
00:02:25.500 My goodness.
00:02:26.760 I, you know, obviously, with, you know, the start of the year, the economy is rocking and
00:02:31.320 rolling.
00:02:32.000 The world looks like a completely different place.
00:02:35.160 And then all of a sudden, you start to hear rumors.
00:02:37.440 I had actually heard rumors about what was happening in China, right before Christmas, because
00:02:42.160 I was at a funeral, unfortunately.
00:02:43.860 And one of my buddies, he actually married a Chinese girl, and they'd had kids.
00:02:47.840 And her family was in to see the kids, the two twins, and they were not allowed back.
00:02:54.080 I was like, hey, hey, bud, when are your in-laws leaving?
00:02:57.400 And he goes, they can't go back to their province.
00:02:59.540 It's shut down.
00:03:00.560 So I started researching COVID and stuff.
00:03:02.500 And it's so weird to think it's only, it's going to be, what, four years, I guess, here
00:03:06.440 in a couple of weeks that we really started to hear rumors of something.
00:03:11.120 But, you know, that year was so crazy, 2020, because I had built up some pretty big Facebook
00:03:16.540 pages over the years.
00:03:18.200 And we got nuked.
00:03:19.620 A bunch of Facebook pages that I was part of got nuked, also including VDare and UNS.com.
00:03:26.020 VDare, it was an international story.
00:03:28.200 You can actually go back and look.
00:03:29.180 They were accused of election interference and whatnot.
00:03:32.560 And so that was actually pretty cataclysmic to lose that access because, you know, the UNS
00:03:39.720 page wasn't that big, but it was very, it was growing aggressively, as was VDare and
00:03:44.700 as were a number of the pages I did.
00:03:46.280 And it was so fascinating to think that in, I guess, April, they were talking about election
00:03:52.100 interference as a reason to ban people from Facebook at that point.
00:03:56.320 And, of course, the election is not until November of that year.
00:03:59.500 But then, of course, I guess it was June.
00:04:02.600 Jared Taylor and I were getting ready to do a podcast for American Renaissance.
00:04:05.740 And I go, hey, I think I just, I think all our books just got taken down on Amazon.
00:04:10.220 So, yeah, Amazon definitely got rid of all the books.
00:04:14.220 Again, the Kersey books were all self-published.
00:04:17.480 I think there were 14 or 15.
00:04:19.580 And like five of them really sold well.
00:04:22.860 Five of them, five of them were actually pretty crazy.
00:04:25.340 And one of those was Whitey on the Moon.
00:04:27.380 And when Antelope Hill came back and they asked about it, they said, well, what happened
00:04:31.260 to your stuff?
00:04:31.740 It's not available anymore.
00:04:32.600 I'm like, hey, it is.
00:04:34.220 Do you want it?
00:04:34.680 And they jumped at it.
00:04:36.700 And that's a new cover there.
00:04:38.260 Yeah, that's a new cover for sure.
00:04:39.460 Yeah, they took a year to do it.
00:04:42.660 We actually, they bought the rights to the Paul Kersey catalog back in November of 2022.
00:04:51.120 And I had heard nothing but wonderful things about that organization.
00:04:56.540 And they took a year to edit and to get everything set.
00:05:01.460 And it's, I'm actually looking at a copy here that I just got from Amazon.
00:05:04.160 And it looks really good.
00:05:05.840 And I'm honored to have this book back in print.
00:05:09.400 And I think the whole goal is just, again, yes, you can be deplatformed.
00:05:15.700 It sucks.
00:05:16.400 I know you, I know all you guys have faced over the years in terms of debanking, deplatforming,
00:05:22.540 losing access to everything.
00:05:25.040 Your donors, just doxing, everything that happens.
00:05:28.500 And the thing to tell your audience, just don't get frustrated.
00:05:31.800 Just keep moving forward.
00:05:32.700 You know, that's all you can do.
00:05:34.220 You can't look back.
00:05:35.340 You can't be like, oh, I wish I could go back and change this, change that.
00:05:38.740 You don't waste that time.
00:05:40.420 No, no.
00:05:41.400 You've got to just keep moving forward.
00:05:42.660 And so that's why looking at this volume that I have, it's like, this is really cool.
00:05:46.580 Because I don't really remember writing it.
00:05:49.200 I was kind of in this, I just started researching everything that was going on.
00:05:53.440 And I think it was inspired by Interstellar that came out back in 2011.
00:05:58.280 And there was that great line about, hey, you know, what are we now?
00:06:01.600 We're not trying to conquer anything.
00:06:03.080 We're not trying to push the envelope.
00:06:05.520 You know, that's, you know, what are we?
00:06:07.200 And the whole concept in the movie is, you know, at the end of the day, what exactly is Western Man?
00:06:13.180 And without Christopher Nolan saying that.
00:06:15.560 So I'm excited that that book's out, man.
00:06:16.940 It's exciting.
00:06:18.680 Yeah, definitely.
00:06:19.340 Yeah, that was a great film, by the way.
00:06:20.440 I really enjoy that, you know.
00:06:23.040 Not sure about the theoretics of it.
00:06:24.600 But the idea, just the idea, just that there's something.
00:06:27.020 It's got to be something left, right?
00:06:28.640 I mean, is there any real estate left?
00:06:31.080 Maybe if, like, the climate improves with Greenland parts of Greenland.
00:06:34.520 But it's, like, everything explored almost, you know what I mean?
00:06:37.240 It's, like, what's our next mission?
00:06:39.620 It has to be space, right?
00:06:43.480 What else is there?
00:06:44.640 Maybe the deep oceans, maybe?
00:06:46.860 That's pretty cool, too.
00:06:47.900 So I'm not discounting that.
00:06:48.880 Of course, there's still things to discover on this planet.
00:06:51.380 But, like, you know, getting out there.
00:06:53.580 Wasn't you who had a line somewhere?
00:06:54.960 I saw that.
00:06:55.980 It was one of your tweets, right?
00:06:57.420 You said something like, this is when we've won.
00:06:59.780 We've already conquered Mars.
00:07:01.320 Or, like, been to Mars.
00:07:02.540 We've set a basis there or something like that.
00:07:04.520 Oh, it's basically a look at, you know, you always think about the world.
00:07:08.080 And if other things had happened, like one of the things I, obviously, I just said, don't
00:07:12.960 think about the past.
00:07:13.740 Don't worry about that too much.
00:07:15.380 But it is crazy to think that, you know, in our lifetime, Pat Buchanan won a couple states
00:07:22.260 when he was running for the nomination.
00:07:23.700 And it's always fun to think, what if he had actually been allowed to run and win and been
00:07:30.040 the nominee in 92?
00:07:31.700 And, you know, could he have beaten Clinton if Perot had pulled out?
00:07:36.000 And you just wanted these little things, these little great what-ifs in history.
00:07:39.680 And basically, I think why I said that about Mars, what was that, and again, I'm not endorsing
00:07:45.620 any of these shows, but The Man in High Castle is a book, I believe, by Philip K.
00:07:50.220 Is it Philip Dick?
00:07:51.280 Yeah, Philip K.
00:07:52.100 Okay.
00:07:52.480 Yep.
00:07:52.660 So, in the novel, or whatever you want to call it, I think the Nazis have already colonized
00:08:00.640 Venus, and they've gone to...
00:08:03.200 Venus of all places.
00:08:04.520 Nice.
00:08:04.820 Okay.
00:08:04.980 Venus, yeah.
00:08:05.580 They go to Venus.
00:08:06.420 You know what's interesting?
00:08:07.620 I did not know this.
00:08:08.560 Why am I even bringing this up?
00:08:09.980 Is the Soviets actually successfully landed some form of a rover back in the 80s, early 80s,
00:08:17.420 on Venus.
00:08:18.520 And we've never actually even done that in the United States.
00:08:20.860 I don't believe so.
00:08:21.880 How long did that survive?
00:08:22.900 Like a few minutes or something, right?
00:08:24.220 Isn't it some boiling gases?
00:08:28.000 It is.
00:08:28.460 But you just, again, when you think about the...
00:08:31.740 Allegedly.
00:08:32.640 Who knows, right?
00:08:33.940 Yeah.
00:08:34.320 Well, no.
00:08:34.740 I'm not...
00:08:35.100 Yeah.
00:08:36.180 What is this?
00:08:37.100 An Alex Jones space with Elon Musk?
00:08:39.340 Yeah, exactly.
00:08:40.040 Yes, it is.
00:08:40.920 Oh, God.
00:08:41.340 No, no.
00:08:41.900 Look, look.
00:08:43.040 Yeah, you know, who's Vox today's guy who says we didn't go to the moon?
00:08:47.420 Owen Benjamin?
00:08:48.700 Owen Benjamin.
00:08:49.380 Yeah.
00:08:49.640 Yeah.
00:08:50.580 Yeah.
00:08:50.980 I like that when they dropped that in Interstellar.
00:08:54.700 Remember that scene?
00:08:55.560 When they actually say the school curriculum started saying, oh, it was just a PR campaign
00:08:59.260 to like beat the Soviets who actually never went there.
00:09:01.140 And they started to teach that in the history books to demoralize basically the kids.
00:09:04.680 That's right.
00:09:04.940 Yep.
00:09:05.120 Yeah, the black principal, actually.
00:09:07.500 Yeah, the black principal and the white teacher.
00:09:09.580 No, it's a great scene.
00:09:10.720 But no, I...
00:09:11.800 God, so many things to talk about.
00:09:14.520 But I just think that the whole idea behind even why I wrote Whitey on the Moon, it's because
00:09:20.400 of...
00:09:21.540 There was a day when I was a lot...
00:09:23.220 My God, I was probably in elementary school.
00:09:26.480 And I remember we were learning about flight for some reason.
00:09:30.200 And we were learning about how in December 17th, I think it was the date, 1903, the Wright
00:09:36.760 brothers flew for the first time in human history at Kitty Hawk.
00:09:39.360 And then I remember we were learning the date.
00:09:43.200 Oh, we were getting ready to go to Huntsville to the Space Center there as fifth graders.
00:09:48.840 That's one of the cool things where I'm from.
00:09:50.960 All the fifth grade classes throughout the state got to go to Huntsville to go see the
00:09:54.660 Space Center.
00:09:55.700 And I'm looking at the date for when we landed on the Moon.
00:09:58.580 And I just kept thinking back, wait a second.
00:10:01.120 It was less than 65 years that we first flew.
00:10:05.400 First got off the ground in North Carolina.
00:10:09.060 And then you've got these three white guys being hurtled out of Earth's atmosphere on
00:10:14.660 this amazing rocket that was designed by, let's face it, we basically got lucky with
00:10:21.120 Project Paperclip.
00:10:22.540 And we got the German scientist without von Braun and his amazing team.
00:10:28.220 It would not have happened.
00:10:29.540 No, no, no.
00:10:30.360 And I think that's one of the reasons why we've lost the odd kind of comments later
00:10:36.020 from NASA.
00:10:36.620 Like, we've lost the ability to, you know, figure that shit out or whatnot.
00:10:41.040 And that could very well be true, right?
00:10:42.680 That they've actually, like, they just got degraded of sorts, right?
00:10:45.960 And eventually they've just, like, they haven't been able to get back.
00:10:49.200 And now, because of NASA, it's all diversity hires.
00:10:52.520 They're pushed to the hidden figures bullshit.
00:10:54.660 Like, all these things have happened since then, right?
00:10:56.820 Yeah, I mean, the hidden figures stuff was, I actually got attacked in the New York Times
00:11:01.220 by one of the actresses.
00:11:03.280 Because VDare was one of the few places that was questioning that whole nonsense back when
00:11:09.200 it came out.
00:11:09.820 And I wrote three or four articles that got a lot of, again, this is when search engines
00:11:14.500 actually allowed you to find stuff.
00:11:15.920 And you could interact with actresses and actors.
00:11:19.500 This was right before, I guess, oh, who's that, who's the guy from Breitbart?
00:11:28.100 Why am I blanking on his name?
00:11:29.360 Who was so big back in 2016?
00:11:32.120 Oh, the main guy who outset it up?
00:11:34.980 No, who's...
00:11:35.660 Before he died?
00:11:36.040 No, the guy who was partners with Nick Fuentes and...
00:11:39.780 Oh, Milo?
00:11:41.260 Milo, Milo, Milo Inesop.
00:11:43.340 Yiannopoulos, yeah.
00:11:44.540 Yeah, he would basically, if you remember, he got kicked off Twitter because they launched
00:11:48.420 that hilarious attack on the Ghostbusters, the black actress in Ghostbusters.
00:11:55.360 That's right, yeah.
00:11:56.340 And I used to interact at this time back in 2015, 2016, 2017.
00:12:01.360 I would always interact with actors and actresses.
00:12:06.520 And I'd be like, hey, Michael B. Jordan, aren't you embarrassed that you're playing, you know,
00:12:10.260 Johnny Storm and a white actor, a white character that was created by, you know, white guys in
00:12:16.040 the Fantastic Four?
00:12:17.300 Aren't you glad that...
00:12:18.380 Aren't you embarrassed that this is like the biggest comic book bomb of all time?
00:12:21.320 And it was a lot of fun to interact with these guys because they get pissed they'd interact
00:12:24.680 with you.
00:12:25.380 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:27.180 But yeah, it's crazy, the hidden figure stuff.
00:12:30.220 But I actually agree with you.
00:12:31.600 I think that NASA changed their way in the 72.
00:12:35.460 The Apollo program ended under Nixon, tragically, and they decided to do the space shuttle because
00:12:41.380 it was cheaper instead of building, unfortunately, which is what von Braun wanted to do, build some
00:12:47.100 sort of permanent space station where you could construct the apparatuses in space as opposed
00:12:53.880 to the hardest part is getting out of the Earth's atmosphere.
00:12:57.020 And there were, you know, when he was in prison as a Nazi prisoner, I think he was in Texas.
00:13:04.580 He actually wrote a book about the mathematics to get to Mars.
00:13:09.060 Just he wrote it.
00:13:09.880 And you can find it on Amazon.
00:13:11.140 It's fantastic.
00:13:12.000 I've read it.
00:13:12.640 And it's like, God, like these guys had such hopes and dreams for the future.
00:13:17.800 And, you know, just so your audience knows, one of the main people who helped popularize
00:13:23.500 space exploration, even before NASA was created, was Walt Disney.
00:13:27.960 He used his program on ABC and they did a number of amazing interviews with von Braun, which
00:13:37.220 brought him to international national fame here in the country and very much worth trying
00:13:42.220 to find.
00:13:42.820 I believe the program it's called you get the DVD Tomorrowland, not the movie with George
00:13:47.620 Clooney, but it's it's just these awesome, awesome segments and interviews because Walt
00:13:53.060 Disney was fascinated by this stuff.
00:13:54.520 He wanted he had that same spirit that has driven so many of our of our people that unfortunately
00:14:00.900 their statues are falling seemingly daily at this point.
00:14:05.380 Yeah, from from Columbus on.
00:14:07.020 But, you know, Walt Disney, Walt Disney, in a lot of ways, is the man who was responsible
00:14:11.980 for for von Braun getting his position within NASA.
00:14:15.920 And I actually fun story for you a couple of years ago, his home, well, von Braun's home
00:14:22.360 in Huntsville went up for sale and I was going to try and buy it and make it a national registered
00:14:27.720 place because I figured I could rent it out at Airbnb and there'd be people from around
00:14:32.440 the world.
00:14:32.800 Oh, yeah.
00:14:33.100 Yeah, I think so.
00:14:34.540 For sure.
00:14:34.720 Von Braun's house.
00:14:35.620 And it would basically become like a museum of sorts.
00:14:38.820 And you know what, who, you know, I'm not going to downplay anything that happened in World
00:14:45.660 War Two and whatnot.
00:14:46.520 But I mean, again, he had he gone, had the Russians got him, they would have they would
00:14:52.820 have done everything they could to have utilized him and all of his associates.
00:14:56.320 Yeah.
00:14:56.900 Intelligence.
00:14:57.300 And to this day in Huntsville, the the Coliseum is named the Wernher von Braun Coliseum, which
00:15:03.860 I'm surprised they haven't forced that to be retconned in nature.
00:15:06.440 Yeah, I'm sure they're just not.
00:15:08.260 It's just further down the list, I guess, do things to get around to.
00:15:12.200 Well, there is that, you know, speaking of that, we could pivot towards this now is a
00:15:16.020 good point.
00:15:16.520 There is an overlap here, right?
00:15:17.980 Because, of course, Elon, Elon Musk and, you know, his SpaceX and all that German engineer
00:15:21.920 to talk about von Braun here in New York Post predicted man named Elon would conquer Mars
00:15:26.820 in a 1952 novel.
00:15:28.760 Have you heard about this?
00:15:30.600 No, I haven't.
00:15:31.580 But that's such a cool that's such a cool picture of von Braun right there.
00:15:36.680 I didn't know that I didn't know that he actually wrote that.
00:15:39.000 That's one of the coolest.
00:15:40.720 That's one of the coolest stories imaginable, because I mean, again, that, ladies and gentlemen,
00:15:45.740 as you're watching this and listening to us talk, that is the man who should have been
00:15:50.240 the head of NASA.
00:15:51.300 But, of course, under Kennedy and then under Nixon, there was such pushback by.
00:15:57.140 Certain segments of Washington don't need to go into it, who basically said that we can't
00:16:03.660 let a former Nazi be in charge of NASA.
00:16:05.840 Right.
00:16:06.300 Yeah.
00:16:06.880 Which is one of the saddest things, because, again, they had plans to go to Mars as the
00:16:13.660 Apollo program is going on.
00:16:14.940 They had plans in place for the next chapter of the space program.
00:16:21.280 And it's again, it all coincides with the fact that, you know, if you go back to 69 to
00:16:28.700 July 20th.
00:16:31.100 I'm sorry, it was July 15th or 16th of 1969, when the space, when the Apollo 11 was actually
00:16:39.320 launched.
00:16:40.240 You know, you had Martin Luther King Jr.'s, the guy who took over his hustle.
00:16:46.860 He was down there protesting because there weren't enough, there weren't enough blacks
00:16:51.880 in NASA.
00:16:52.780 And more importantly, all that money should be going to fund, to fund blacks and to stop,
00:17:00.400 to alleviate hunger problems and to fix problems throughout the inner city.
00:17:06.020 Because if you remember, you know, one of the just crowning achievements of mankind history
00:17:10.820 of mankind's history is the launch of that day.
00:17:14.160 And that's coming at the very end of a tumultuous decade.
00:17:17.440 I was born in the mid 80s.
00:17:19.020 So obviously, no, I have no recollection of what the 60s would have been like, except for
00:17:22.900 reading about it.
00:17:23.600 And you just have race riots destroying so many of our major cities and just the unprecedented,
00:17:31.600 unprecedented outbreak and violence and forcing white people to.
00:17:36.020 Vacate all these cities that up until the Great Migration, there were very, very, very
00:17:41.180 few blacks in Chicago and Detroit and Rochester and Buffalo and Gary, Indiana and all these
00:17:48.980 places.
00:17:49.360 And now at this point, as, you know, these three, as what was it, Buzz Aldrin, Michael
00:17:54.780 Collins and Neil Armstrong are getting ready to go take off on this amazing flight to the
00:18:01.140 moon, you've got black people protesting.
00:18:03.740 And there's that famous photo that I found in Jet Magazine of the very large, obese black
00:18:11.900 woman with her, with her, with her black toddler in a stroller.
00:18:16.280 And they've got like a sign that says like billions for, for space pennies for the, for the
00:18:22.440 hunger, the hungry.
00:18:23.720 I don't know if you've ever seen that.
00:18:24.700 It's, it's an amazing photo.
00:18:25.940 And it's always on Twitter now.
00:18:28.080 And I actually, I found that in a Jet Magazine that I ordered off of eBay back in like 2014
00:18:34.380 when I was researching.
00:18:35.600 There it is right there.
00:18:36.320 There it is right there.
00:18:37.100 It's one of the funniest things.
00:18:39.020 Yeah.
00:18:39.160 I found that that, that, that, that is legitimately, um, that is the, I think I used a, uh, an iPhone
00:18:47.440 or something to take a picture of the Jet Magazine.
00:18:49.480 And so that is the, that's what I found years ago.
00:18:52.740 And it's, it's become a force of its own.
00:18:54.680 And one of the things I will say is I hope one day Elon Musk tweets that out.
00:18:59.280 Um, so just to be like, Hey, Elon, you know, why is it that, um, why is it that SpaceX had
00:19:05.980 to step in when NASA couldn't, uh, you know, before SpaceX started to send up all the stuff
00:19:11.760 we were hitching rides, uh, from the Russians.
00:19:14.400 With Russians.
00:19:14.840 Yeah.
00:19:15.200 That's right.
00:19:15.600 Yeah.
00:19:15.760 That's how we use rockets and all that.
00:19:17.020 Yep.
00:19:17.620 Yeah.
00:19:17.900 That's how our, that's how our astronauts got to the, uh, international space station.
00:19:22.620 And, um, now of course, Elon, I believe they've had a couple of tests and thank God he's so
00:19:28.040 far ahead of, uh, Jeff Bezos is, um, is it blue?
00:19:32.400 Blue?
00:19:32.820 I think it is.
00:19:33.400 Yeah.
00:19:33.780 Something blue origin.
00:19:34.840 Is it blue origin or blue ocean?
00:19:36.240 I think it's blue origin.
00:19:37.800 Yeah.
00:19:37.920 I think you're right.
00:19:38.340 Yeah.
00:19:38.780 Yeah.
00:19:39.240 And, um, so SpaceX is, SpaceX is inspiring.
00:19:42.940 And, um, it's, uh, they're doing some new cool stuff with like being able to reuse them
00:19:49.620 and the relanding stuff.
00:19:50.960 I mean, that's, it's, it's impressive.
00:19:52.420 I mean, that's like an, it's almost like a fifties versions of how you've seen those
00:19:56.520 rockets that kind of descend down a hole.
00:19:59.020 Like that's what they're doing.
00:20:00.180 Crazy.
00:20:00.620 Yeah, I'll tell you, um, uh, another fun thing is if you remember the movie Gattaca,
00:20:09.240 which I, I, there are parts of that movie that I really like a lot.
00:20:12.040 It's about a future society where, you know, children are no longer conceived.
00:20:17.460 They're basically, um, you take, you take the egg from the female, um, and, and the partner
00:20:24.080 and they are, you know, test tube the best, the best, it, it, it, it's a movie that attacks
00:20:29.080 eugenics, you know, at the same time, it's a eugenic society.
00:20:32.540 Um, it's, uh, a movie with Uma Thurman and, uh, Ethan Hawke.
00:20:36.540 And in that movie, um, there is this, um, space program that there's a, there's a company
00:20:43.700 that Ethan Hawke's character wants to work for, but he doesn't have the right genetic makeup.
00:20:48.940 So he steals someone's genetics, um, Jude Law's genetics, uh, pretends to be him.
00:20:54.420 And the whole purpose of this is this company is basically launching rockets, I believe like
00:21:00.540 four per day.
00:21:01.660 And if you actually look at where we are now with Elon Musk, it is actually pretty awesome
00:21:05.420 because he is constantly launching, uh, rockets up and, um, you know, he's, he's single-handedly
00:21:12.400 trying to, um, keep alive that, that, that spirit that, um, he's yet to come out and say
00:21:21.040 who's keeping us from truly embracing that spirit, but it is becoming obvious that he knows a lot
00:21:27.780 more than he's ever let on. And then, you know, being a South African and, and being in Silicon
00:21:33.840 Valley and all the things he talks about when it comes to having babies and, and one of his,
00:21:39.420 uh, in one of the books that came out about a decade ago, he talked about idiocracy and how
00:21:44.000 that was one of his favorite films because he said that the wrong people were having too many kids
00:21:48.280 and it was the duty of, um, of, of the smartest to have as many babies as possible.
00:21:54.520 The only thing with idiocracy, I wish they had more diversity in that one. It's way too,
00:21:58.340 way too wide. Otherwise it's as good.
00:22:00.780 You know, but the thing is it, it made an impact on someone like Elon Musk.
00:22:04.400 Yeah. Yeah. He has, he has what? Nine, 10 kids?
00:22:06.820 11. I actually looked it up yesterday because I heard it in that little clip that was going around
00:22:10.720 with, I, I'm not a big fan of Andrew Tate, but be that as it may, right? It was Tate and Vivek was
00:22:16.200 in the call. Alex Jones was there. Who else am I forgetting? Uh, yeah. And they were talking about
00:22:21.280 kids. Yeah. I looked it up. So it's like, has 11? That's crazy.
00:22:24.420 Yeah. Benny Johnson was in that chair. That, that was embarrassing. Uh, you know,
00:22:28.340 the fact that they're dealing with Andrew Tate, a guy who's, you know, uh, someone who doesn't,
00:22:32.960 you know, Amaloto who's talking about, you know, converting to Islam and that's the way
00:22:37.160 pimping out European women on the, on the webs, right? No, it's disgusting. It's disgusting.
00:22:42.380 He's been embraced by Tucker. And now, I mean, he's, uh, uh, yeah. Uh, and, and in a lot of ways,
00:22:49.580 I think Alex Jones is taking too much energy. Alex, of course, before he was banned was saying amazing
00:22:55.680 things about immigration in South Africa, he had completely gone away from conspiracy stuff to
00:23:01.980 talking about the core issues that mattered. I mean, I will never forget when I was, um, I was
00:23:07.240 traveling to, I was down in Panama city in August of 2018 and Trump started to tweet out segments from
00:23:14.500 Tucker Carlson show about how white people were being treated in South Africa. And just like, man,
00:23:20.020 this is really great. This is the stuff that Tucker, that, uh, Alex Jones was talking about too. And
00:23:24.480 here we are now, you know, I had toiled in a, in a conservative world for a while trying to bring
00:23:29.120 all this stuff to the forefront and was successful at it, but not to the level that, you know, when
00:23:34.020 finally Trump is bringing it about, but my hope is that Alex Jones doesn't try and just talk about
00:23:39.380 humanity and all this nonsense and color, colorblindness. He had, yeah. He always pivots
00:23:45.080 towards that though. Some in some way they're trying to divide us. And it was like, no, they're actually
00:23:49.080 trying to unify everybody. I mean, they, they hate white and what are some of us out of the picture.
00:23:52.960 That's true. But at the same time, they'd, they'd love for us to all mix out in this multicultural,
00:23:58.700 uh, you know, cesspool of nothingness. That's what they want. That's the messaging from up top
00:24:03.880 all the time. Right. I know a lot of Alex Jones's people. They're phenomenal guys. Dan Lyman.
00:24:09.040 Dan Lyman is great. Yeah. Dan Lyman is a very, he's a very good friend. We text all the time.
00:24:13.880 Yep. Talk and talk about who can drink, uh, more raw eggs.
00:24:16.960 Who's, uh, schlunking. Who's, who's better. I, I hate, by the way, I hate that term.
00:24:21.740 It's called pulling a Rocky, you know, uh, people know about it from, from the 76 Rocky film. And,
00:24:27.560 uh, um, and, uh, yeah, we joke about pickleball and stuff, but, um, he's a good dude. Uh, Dan is
00:24:36.080 amazing. And, uh, info wars is poised to really do great things. And it's the pressure on Elon must
00:24:42.540 be just so great. Still though, people like Jared Taylor, uh, have never been brought back on.
00:24:47.720 I believe, I believe that's due to the lawsuit, um, that, uh, that, that AR when they were knocked
00:24:53.440 off, uh, he actually did sue in California, the new century foundation. And, uh, so both AR and
00:25:00.020 Jared's personal account have been gone. Um, I mean, of course, Jared and I, we did a, um, you know,
00:25:05.320 he had his amazing YouTube channel. Like you did, you guys built up an amazing platform on YouTube.
00:25:09.340 I don't remember what year you guys were. 2019.
00:25:13.100 Defenestrated. Okay. Yeah. 2019. Well, Jared's channel somehow continued on until,
00:25:18.480 uh, God, I want to see it was due. It was right after George Floyd. So it was probably early June
00:25:27.060 of 2020. He had about 125,000 subscribers to just his video channel. And without even promoting it that
00:25:34.980 much, we had 35,000 subscribers to just the podcasts, Jared and I do a podcast every week.
00:25:42.760 Um, it's on rumble now, but again, it never got anywhere near the size of YouTube because YouTube
00:25:48.640 has the just complete channel dominance in that sphere. And, um, it's, it's always, I'm sure
00:25:56.700 sometimes you think back and God, have we not been kicked off YouTube? How many subscribers,
00:26:00.640 but we had, cause you guys had what, close to a million? No, we had, we were at like 333,
00:26:06.180 almost like even a 333,000 or something like that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, it would have,
00:26:11.340 it would continue to grow. We probably had at least half a million, probably heading towards,
00:26:15.060 you know, who knows 700,000. If we could continue, this is almost four over four years ago now. So,
00:26:20.260 you know, yeah. If you're talking about just 10% increase year over year, you're well over 500,000.
00:26:25.680 Yeah. So, uh, and that's the trajectory that things were going because I mean, there was just,
00:26:30.840 there was just nobody out there being able to really talk about stuff during, uh, the summer
00:26:35.340 of George Floyd. It's, I, um, I, I, I sometimes marvel when I read about something that was taken
00:26:41.780 down or something that was, uh, renamed. I just like, God, I don't remember this. When did this
00:26:47.580 happen? And it is astonishing to think about everything that has happened since 2020. But I
00:26:53.180 think one of the most important things is that somebody got Elon Musk to go into Babylon B and
00:26:59.980 he talked about the woke mind virus and someone said, Hey, you should buy Twitter and he ended up
00:27:04.020 going through it. And yeah, you know, he's, he's taking, he's putting, he's putting everything on
00:27:09.700 the table right now. I mean, there was no reason to bring back Alex Jones and I have some reservations
00:27:14.400 because I just, I don't think you can honestly talk about the Chinese owning Hollywood, uh, as he does.
00:27:20.680 Um, you know, uh, come on. Um, it's, uh, as Steve Sabler always talks about, he talks about the,
00:27:29.120 uh, Gary Sanders show and somebody said, come on, you know, it's, uh, it, it, it's the Jews who run
00:27:34.360 Hollywood and someone that, and that show goes, no, it's the gay Jews. And, uh, I think I'm just
00:27:40.140 quoting, I'm just quoting the Gary, uh, the Gary Sanders show, which was on HBO and it was a
00:27:44.540 brilliant show. But, um, anyways, no, I mean, let's just be blunt. I mean, it's, uh, Alex Jones
00:27:51.360 is, it's crazy to think that Elon Musk with all that has happened with him taking on the ADL.
00:27:57.060 Now that's amazing lawsuit against media matters, which is phenomenal, but that he would then bring
00:28:04.300 back Alex Jones, a guy who is facing what billion dollar, um, uh, judgment, uh, for the Sandy,
00:28:12.180 yeah, the Sandy hook stuff and just a continual list of charges and, um, that he has to go through
00:28:18.600 and the bankruptcy of info wars. And, and, uh, I think I just read where he just got a permission
00:28:24.680 to sell his firearms to pay down some of his debt. And, but again, the fact that Elon is aligning
00:28:30.720 with this stuff, it feels like, um, and I know a lot of your audience might laugh at this, but
00:28:35.440 there's, there's been an energy shift in, uh, this year. Um, the fact that somebody actually took
00:28:41.340 on the ADL and then that motivated your normal conservative leaders to be like, Oh wow, is it
00:28:47.700 okay to attack the ADL now? And, and, um, and then for, you know, just everybody piloted on media
00:28:54.380 matters and people like Aaron McIntyre on Twitter over at Breitbart who, um, I'm sorry, he's
00:29:00.700 not at Breitbart. He's at the blaze. He's at Glenn Beck's organization. He's, he's basic.
00:29:05.280 He's basically built his whole audience off of being a Sam Francis, um, uh, disciple and
00:29:14.760 just tweeting the best stuff about, you know, these people are just pedophiles. You know,
00:29:19.020 it's like that great joke. It's like that great joke about, uh, about Norm Macdonald.
00:29:23.900 If you ever want to laugh and think about what we could have been, go back and watch Norm
00:29:27.820 McDonald on the, on the, um, weekend update in the nineties on comedy central where he
00:29:33.140 just roasts everyone. And on one of the episodes, he talks about how, um, you know, Michael Jackson's
00:29:38.280 excited that he's having a boy because, you know, he gets to, you know, cause he's a, you
00:29:43.720 know, you know, and then Norm Macdonald goes cause he's a, you know, cause he's a gay pederast
00:29:48.240 and he actually says this on air and it's just hilarious. And it's just, you know, you got
00:29:52.420 to call these people out. And I think one of the things we have to realize now is spite
00:29:57.300 is a very powerful thing. And when Elon Musk was being interviewed at that New York times
00:30:02.640 event and the guy said, well, what are you, aren't you worried about all these advertisers
00:30:06.020 leaving? And he said, he said, yeah, GFY, you know, GFY go fuck yourself. I think there's
00:30:13.500 so much power in that. I'm kind of surprised he hasn't started putting out GFY, um, apparel.
00:30:19.540 I think it'd be cool on a hat. I think it'd be cool on a nice polo. Um, and, uh, I mean,
00:30:24.280 here's, he's a guy who, who he can't, you know, again, imagine if you were to tell everybody
00:30:31.880 back when he bought Twitter that he was going to go to war with the ADL, he was going to
00:30:35.740 tweet Keith Woods, retweet Keith Woods or no, was it Keith Woods he retweeted or who
00:30:39.960 was it that he replied? I think he replied to a number of his tweets. He replied to a number
00:30:44.240 of his tweets, but that when he said the thing about what he said about, um, liberal Jews
00:30:49.340 and the replacement stuff. Yeah. That was, uh, yeah, that was, there was not, that was
00:30:53.160 not a Keith Woods tweet, but it was, what was his name? If the artist formerly known as
00:30:56.940 Eric or something like that was his username, but some random guy, you know, like, okay,
00:31:01.860 well, good. You know, if you had, if you had even remotely thought that something like
00:31:06.780 that was possible where, you know, Elon Musk is calling out what's happening in South
00:31:11.280 Africa with the kill the boar song. Um, and then doing that, I mean, who knows what
00:31:17.640 2024 is going to bring. And that's, that's the beautiful thing. That's, that's why, you
00:31:23.100 know, in the face of all that has happened, we still have the ability to communicate with
00:31:27.000 each other, to build audiences, to interact with people who, who know something's wrong.
00:31:32.840 And now, you know, again, that's why interacting with Andrew Tate and having him be put up on
00:31:39.320 a pedestal. That's disgusting. Um, and there's that, there is that, I mean, I'm not a hundred
00:31:44.780 percent certain I trust Elon, but I think there's a, there's a legitimate, like a, a,
00:31:48.680 a real time, um, how do we, how do you put it? Like it's just seeing him going through
00:31:54.320 stuff, waking up to stuff and realizing he's, yeah, I think he, sometimes he tries to play
00:31:59.440 both sides a little bit. He's trying to, you know, he kind of figures it out as he goes
00:32:03.400 a little bit. And, and I'm not, I'm not sure he's a hundred percent sure what he's actually
00:32:06.640 up against yet. I hope he works up to that. But then you have that, you kind of have
00:32:10.280 that slimy, like grifter vibe of people around all of, all of these people, you
00:32:15.180 know what I mean? That like attaches themselves to it. And it kind of, it is what it is at
00:32:18.940 the end of the day. I mean, we're not going to just, you know, stop that. It's good to
00:32:21.460 have crossover and discussions and whatnot, but it's the same thing with like a Tucker,
00:32:26.280 right? Like you want to be edgy and stuff like you just get like, get a Jared Taylor on
00:32:31.120 the show. You know what I mean? Get a, get a Kevin McDonald on there. Like actually poke
00:32:34.280 the, poke the establishment in the eye a little bit. I mean, it's like, sure you do, you
00:32:38.460 can do an interview with Andrew Tate too. That's fine. But Tucker was, Tucker was one
00:32:42.880 time. Yeah. Tucker was one time given a copy of Jared Taylor's white identity and he read
00:32:48.540 30 pages of it and put it down. And he told the person who gave it to him, it was just
00:32:54.040 too depressing. Cause it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, again, it's Jared, again, you, you
00:33:00.380 talk about everything that's going on and yes, it would be great if Jared were on Twitter.
00:33:04.380 Obviously it would be great if he was able to put his show directly onto Twitter. And
00:33:10.380 is that, is that something you guys do?
00:33:12.200 We do. Yeah. When we live stream, we go out on Twitter and we upload, you know, interviews
00:33:16.460 later on and stuff like that. And some of them, some of them take off. I mean, and it's
00:33:19.900 great. Certain videos we had that, we did the one recently on the Scottish prime minister.
00:33:23.740 He did a followup to the white, white, white talk there. And he got, he, he got mad and
00:33:29.160 read, read, replied to it or he retweeted it or something. And then, uh, what's his name?
00:33:34.580 Jordan Peterson got involved and replied to it and stuff. So that got like a, you know,
00:33:38.260 over a million views or something like that. So it's good when you can like, you know,
00:33:42.200 have things like that kind of poke through. Cause that used to be possible with YouTube
00:33:45.720 just to go back to what you mentioned before, but then they started the throttling and stuff
00:33:49.180 like that. I'm just saying, can you imagine if we were still like an even playing field,
00:33:54.800 field on social media and, and collectively all of us could like, you know, contribute
00:33:59.340 to like just pushing back against the propaganda machine, uh, man, it would be, uh, it would
00:34:04.140 be amazing. But X has helped a lot. I will say that it's Elon has a lot of credit there
00:34:09.060 for sure.
00:34:09.820 Yeah. Well, I just go back and look at a guy who was facing a long prison sentence, uh, Ricky
00:34:16.100 Vaughn. I believe he was one of back in 2015, 2016, there was some release of the most, uh,
00:34:23.460 quoted person on Twitter regarding the election, the most influential accounts on Twitter or
00:34:29.800 in the media. And Ricky Vaughn was an, I was like the top 15. It was insane to think what
00:34:34.380 he was doing and that actual, uh, environment that was truly let's be blunt. It was free.
00:34:41.160 It was amazing. The reach you could have on, on Twitter and on Facebook, um, to build audiences,
00:34:47.380 to connect, to connect people who had similar interests and to see virality, um, or virality,
00:34:55.580 the viral nature of, of what posts could do. And that is, I think coming back, um, in some ways,
00:35:01.440 of course, the scrutiny that Elon Musk is facing from, you know, the New York times,
00:35:06.560 Washington post, the ADL, um, and all these, all these organizations. And of course,
00:35:11.240 all these massive corporations that just decided, um, yeah, we're going to pull funding. Um,
00:35:18.320 that's kind of what happened to Alex Jones though, by the way, if you go back and think about 2018,
00:35:22.340 Alex Jones was depersoned, unpersoned by, uh, what was it? Um, the Apple store, all the platforms just
00:35:32.400 decided one day to kick him off. And then the last one standing was Twitter. And then he interacted with,
00:35:37.420 uh, all over Darcy, the, uh, CNN. Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyways, uh, so yeah. And then Twitter was the
00:35:47.760 last one standing and that was once, once that was done, it was sad, but no, I think that, um,
00:35:53.800 again, everybody out there listening, if you're inspired to, to, to, to become a creator,
00:35:59.700 Twitter's your best place to do it right now. Cause if you're, if you're putting out videos,
00:36:03.100 you got a chance to be monetized and you got a chance to interact with, with, you know,
00:36:07.960 you can interact with, uh, former presidents, you can interact with anyone. And one of the things
00:36:12.140 that upsets me by the way, about truth, social, whatever deal Donald Trump signed, there is no
00:36:17.360 reason this guy's not tweeting right now. I know. Yeah. It does not make any sense. Well,
00:36:22.080 he did that one, didn't he do his mugshot or something like that? He did do one tweet.
00:36:26.880 That might've been the Trump war room. Um, I don't remember if it was the Donald Trump account.
00:36:30.780 Uh, you can't quote, can't quote me on that, but, uh, there's no reason that he hasn't done a,
00:36:37.720 do you remember when it was, this was when Matt Drudge still owned Drudge.
00:36:43.280 Donald Trump was a candidate for, I don't believe he'd gotten the nomination yet,
00:36:47.120 but he did an hour long interview with Alex Jones that Drudge carried as the main thing.
00:36:53.300 And it was just, it was insane to think this guy's going to win the presidency and he's normalizing
00:36:59.140 Alex Jones. Yeah. Yep. And that to me, if you're Donald Trump, why not, why not just say, Hey,
00:37:06.160 you know what, Alex, let's, uh, let's get on Twitter and break the, and break the, and break
00:37:09.680 the world. Cause then all these corporations have to start, um, all these news outlets,
00:37:15.520 corporate owned outlets, uh, by the regime media, they have to cover Twitter again or acts,
00:37:20.460 whatever you want to call it. Um, and it would be great to, it would be great to get, uh,
00:37:25.640 Bannon on that call as well. And, uh, it's, it, it really just at this point utilize what you have
00:37:33.000 and, and, you know, truth has been such a bomb. I don't know. Are you guys on there?
00:37:37.320 Uh, truth social. Yeah, we do have an account. We just, we basically just post links to the shows
00:37:41.240 and stuff like that. I'm not sure. Is it busy over there? And it seems, uh, so it seems all right.
00:37:45.940 Uh, I don't think it's too busy probably, but, um, only when Trump tweets something,
00:37:52.600 I'm sure then Jack Posobiec probably says, Oh, look what he just tweeted. No, the point is, uh,
00:37:57.160 the point is that Trump should, and I, I don't know if people will laugh what I'm about to say,
00:38:03.060 but I really believe Trump should call himself president of exile. I'm kind of sad he hasn't.
00:38:08.160 And he, um, he should say, yeah, you know, uh, he should play into the whole dictator for a day
00:38:14.180 thing. And I do hope that he does, um, end up choosing Tucker Carlson as his running mate. Um,
00:38:21.180 and really just this being the revenge campaign. Um, and that, that, that's what I hope for.
00:38:27.080 Yeah, but it's, it's good to see, it's great to see all these, you know, shit libs and a lot of
00:38:33.720 people in the establishment, you know, quetch and shriek it at this, be that Alex Jones getting his
00:38:38.600 account back or, you know, be that, uh, you know, to Trump running again. And it's 100% true.
00:38:44.280 All of them are, they're trying to be stopped. They're trying to bankrupt. Well,
00:38:47.280 they are bankrupting Alex Jones. They basically try to say even that, that his bankruptcy is not
00:38:52.020 good enough. You have to pay anyway, weird shit like this. All these legal things they're doing.
00:38:57.240 Just look at what, what, what Trump is going through. But then part of me also feels says,
00:39:00.700 you know, I plenty of criticisms also of, of these guys. Right. And it feels like the kind of 2024
00:39:07.780 is going to be, I mean, it's going to be wilder probably, but it's going to be that circus over again.
00:39:12.460 And, and I remember like, you know, there's things towards the end of, you know, Trump
00:39:15.560 did, like he was talking about, uh, we're going to do, you know, do more immigration than ever
00:39:20.360 into America, just legally. You know, there's like these things all the time. And I just don't,
00:39:24.600 you know, moving the embassy, uh, you know, to Jerusalem as opposed to Tel Aviv, all the
00:39:29.360 things he did for Israel and all that stuff. I have so many criticism of the guy. And then
00:39:33.360 yet at the same time, I enjoy, I enjoy just seeing it. I enjoy seeing so many of the anti-whites,
00:39:39.500 but it's almost like, well, I said this the other day. It's like, he's being accused of
00:39:43.200 being a white nationalist. He's accused of being, yes, all the usual, like a racist and
00:39:47.280 a bigot and a, you know, Nazi and all that stuff. And we have the whole, the entire system
00:39:51.820 beyond, you know, like the, the, the MAGA movement or whatever you want to call it for
00:39:55.880 short, uh, is reacting to it like that is the case. But with the Trump, we kind of, we,
00:40:03.480 we got a boost of like white identity and things like that. I think it was good for people.
00:40:07.100 For people, it was good, but within the system or the system, the, the, the government that
00:40:11.340 the Trump ran, the administration and stuff like that, we got none almost of the white
00:40:15.880 nationalism. Do you see what I'm saying? Like we got none of the white nationalism, but we
00:40:18.760 got a, a pushback against like it was white nationalism that was dictating the show, uh,
00:40:24.060 for four years. Are we just going to do that all over again? Where do you see this going?
00:40:27.960 And obviously this is a step up a level for, for this to evolve in some way, right? What do you
00:40:32.160 think? Yeah. Yeah. Two things. One, I hate the term white nationalist, um, but you know what I
00:40:37.920 mean though, right? Like a white identity or whatever, you know, I hate that term too. You
00:40:42.660 know, America was founded. Um, unfortunately it wasn't in the declaration, it wasn't enough
00:40:49.680 in the declaration of independence or the bill of rights. But our first act of, uh, Congress
00:40:54.480 under George Washington, his first thing that he signed was the naturalization act of 1790,
00:40:59.620 which made it quite clear who could be citizens. So yes, it's, uh, without a doubt, but yeah,
00:41:05.080 I, um, I think that Donald Trump is an avid golfer and there's a term called a mulligan.
00:41:12.120 If you hit a bad shot, if you're gentlemen, you're going to let, uh, you're going to let
00:41:17.100 them have a mulligan, get a do over. And I think that this, I think Donald Trump is going
00:41:23.620 to win. And I think that his, uh, his presidency is going to be the mulligan. And I believe that
00:41:30.180 he, that's why he can not pick somebody like, um, the vice president that he had, uh, who's
00:41:36.760 so devoted to the establishment. Uh, I think Tucker is the absolute perfect pick because
00:41:42.180 he's articulate. He can go out there and probably get just as large of a crowd.
00:41:46.260 And he's not going to do it though. Right. He's he's, I mean, he's not, he's, I think
00:41:50.260 he's said a few times and now he's starting his network and stuff. Right. So he's, he's
00:41:53.400 busy, I think to be honest. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's really, I mean, to a chance to, you
00:42:00.300 know, he's got Tucker's got four kids and you think back to everything that he's faced.
00:42:04.920 I, uh, I will always go to that story where Antifa tried to kick his, kick his, uh, door
00:42:11.680 end, uh, his home in Georgetown. Remember that? Yeah. And his wife, uh, was hiding
00:42:16.760 in one of the pantry. I've actually been to that house a couple of times and I was trying
00:42:22.180 to, when the story happened, I was trying to think where in the house he was, uh, his
00:42:26.220 wife was trying to hide, um, as they were just massive amounts of Antifa trying to break
00:42:31.920 in to Tucker's house. And who knows what they would have done if they had broken in. And
00:42:36.020 you think about the violence that we all saw unfold after George Floyd died of a fentanyl
00:42:43.120 overdose and the custody of Derek Chauvin and, uh, the other, uh, three police officers
00:42:48.560 there in Minneapolis and everything that subsequently unfolded. And it's going to get really interesting.
00:42:53.560 I think that's going to be the main thing. And I just want to see, um, what we're beginning
00:42:58.060 to see are red state AGs to get really, um, into the concept of winning. We've seen that
00:43:05.400 with the AG in Texas, who's done a lot of great lawsuits, who just went through, um,
00:43:11.000 an attempt to impeach him. Uh, sorry, I can't think of his name. Is it Ken? Why am I blanking
00:43:16.860 on the AG of Texas name? He's, he's such an awesome guy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, holy
00:43:21.080 smokes. Yeah. And the, the, the, the Missouri AD, they're actually investigating. I saw that
00:43:26.600 right now. I saw that. I think that's, I think that's amazing. They're actually trying
00:43:30.000 to see if there's fraud involved with a lot of these things. And if I don't understand
00:43:35.140 why Alabama won't go after the SPLC, which is, you know, it's, uh, their, their, their
00:43:39.900 headquarters are in Montgomery, um, for everything that they've done, including the fact that
00:43:44.720 one of their lawyers, um, is part of that, uh, Rico investigation for the, um, for the
00:43:51.320 Antifa stuff that's gone on there at the police training center in Atlanta. Uh, so really what
00:43:56.780 you just need to see is what's happened to V-Dare, unfortunately, and the NRA, excuse me,
00:44:00.880 um, and, um, and the Trump, um, and the Trump foundation, New York, Letitia James, the black
00:44:08.920 AG basically ran, she ran saying, I, I, you know, elect me and I will go to war with these
00:44:14.140 people there. I consider them enemies and you have to use the law. You have to, you have
00:44:20.160 to do that. And, um, I think that's the only way we're going to truly see the end of,
00:44:25.160 uh, D-I-E to his everlasting credit. Uh, Governor DeSantis has done a great job in dismantling
00:44:31.280 a lot of the apparatus. Of course, at the same time, he's done a lot to destroy freedom
00:44:35.180 of speech in the state of Florida with very questionable things that he's signed in other
00:44:39.260 nations. Uh, that's right. And that's what I'm talking about. Like that you, you have so
00:44:43.340 much of that part of like this whole sphere and like you might get some positive things
00:44:47.980 out of it, but then there's like this huge disappointments weaved into it as well. And
00:44:51.980 it, you know, we should take victories where there are, where there are that. And, and,
00:44:55.320 and certainly, I mean, you're a hundred percent correct. Like look at how much the, the, the
00:45:00.940 winds have moved, if you will, in, in, in our direction, you know, and, and, and how, how
00:45:06.340 much, I mean, even the fact that Vivek Ramaswamy in the debate the other day talked about how
00:45:12.120 the grape replacement is real, you know, like it's, these things are out there now. People
00:45:16.220 are talking about this stuff. It's not 2013 anymore. You know what I mean? This is 10 years
00:45:20.340 later, this is now getting out there and it's in the mainstream. So that's great. That's
00:45:25.240 very, very good.
00:45:26.720 Oh, it's phenomenal. And I think that, um, in a lot of ways, Trump was that bridge to
00:45:31.960 the next era of Western civilization. If I can quote Bain from dark night rises, uh, you
00:45:38.560 know, people of people of their status deserve to see the next era of Western civilization.
00:45:43.400 Um, Trump, Trump was that bridge and inadvertently, uh, you know, here's a guy who came down an
00:45:50.560 escalator and gave a rambling speech and then started talking about rapists from Mexico.
00:45:56.440 And, uh, then he jumped to the top of the list of the, uh, Republican nominee, uh, candidates
00:46:01.700 for the nominee for, for POTUS. And, you know, he didn't really talk about immigration a little
00:46:06.620 bit, but I mean, people are, people are only as radical as they're allowed to be. And I,
00:46:12.780 I just feel that across the country right now, so many people have seen what's happened at
00:46:18.880 the border who've never been political before. Um, you know, although we do need to talk about
00:46:24.420 this because the whole D D I E stuff, diversity, inclusion, equity, everything that's happening
00:46:29.880 right now, um, at the Ivy leagues and pretty much all, all major colleges. I want to save
00:46:37.480 that for part two. I'm glad you brought that up because yeah, that's a great, uh, you know,
00:46:41.820 segue over to that eventually because yeah, it's interesting. It's been a clear divide here,
00:46:46.340 right? You can have a Charlie Kirk who obviously, you know, even there, he's talking about like
00:46:49.900 disproportionate influence of, uh, leftist Jewish, you know, open borders, uh, you know, activism
00:46:55.720 and things like that from, he doesn't mention like highest or, you know, Pidea or Jewish family
00:47:00.700 found or any of these things, but he's talking about that. There's like, that's a, that's a
00:47:03.360 segment right there. And then you get like a Ben Shapiro on the flip side of that. And some of
00:47:07.280 these other ones have just freaked out entirely. And they were like shut down protests, shut down
00:47:11.260 free speech control. So we'll get into that more detail here in part two, but, uh, towards the end
00:47:16.280 here of the first part, let's, let's plug, plug some of your books here again, then white on the
00:47:20.660 moon by Paul Kersey. It's up on Antelope Hill. You can get it that you can get it on Amazon. I'm not sure if
00:47:24.900 there's a price difference. Do you lose some if it's on three Amazon? I think it's always better
00:47:28.580 to go to the publisher, right? To buy the books. It's always good to go to the publisher. You can
00:47:32.640 contact me at, uh, because we live here at protonmail.com. Once again, that email address
00:47:38.180 because we live here at protonmail.com. And, uh, yeah, we can work out a signed copy of either
00:47:46.380 black Mecca down or, or white on the moon. It's cool when it's on Amazon and it gets into the top,
00:47:50.920 you know, top 50, top 20, top, top 10, a thousand, uh, my late friend, Colin Flaherty.
00:47:57.300 He was always shocked when I'd help him get the book, his book, whitey, um, sorry, white girl bleed
00:48:02.560 a lot into, I want to say it was one time when Thomas soul wrote about escape from Detroit and
00:48:09.180 white girl bleed a lot. Um, both those books got into like the top 100 on Amazon. And he was like,
00:48:15.960 can you believe this? And unfortunately, you know, Amazon does own that, that's, that's fear. So it
00:48:20.440 is cool when you can say, yeah, I was a bestseller on Amazon for a, for a day. So.
00:48:27.180 Yeah, no, that's a Colin Flaherty. He'll be when he was, uh, was that last year or the year before
00:48:31.800 there? He, that he died, passed away. Uh, Colin, Colin Flaherty died of, uh, very aggressive
00:48:38.960 cancer, uh, leukemia in 2020, 2022, 2022. That's right. So it was last year. That's right. Okay. Yep.
00:48:44.880 Sad, sad, sad loss, but he did. He put up a good fight. Uh, invaluable work. Uh, that
00:48:49.880 guy. Uh, all right. So we got that. We got whitey on the moon. Check out Antelope Hill.
00:48:53.580 We'll add some links down below. We also have, we haven't talked about it yet, but a black
00:48:56.600 mecca down, uh, that's up there as well. So check that out. It's more about it's, is it,
00:49:01.980 it's your essays, right? It's a compilation of the essays you've written. Yeah, that one,
00:49:06.440 that is the, uh, that's the book about Atlanta. So I did, um, I started doing basically micro
00:49:12.300 looks at the collapse of cities and just basically said, Hey, it's, it's race stupid.
00:49:15.900 And, uh, the first one was Detroit escape from Detroit. Then I did one with, uh, James
00:49:21.820 Kirkpatrick, Gregory hood. That was called, uh, God, what was that one called? Sorry.
00:49:28.280 I forgot. It was called second city confidential. Basically they were just, it was, it was a dumb,
00:49:35.800 uh, branding thing that I decided to think of some, some of my favorite movies and just basically,
00:49:42.440 you know, steal those titles and, and work those in. Uh, so black mecca down black Hawk down, uh,
00:49:48.800 Atlanta is known as a black mecca and it, um, it's one of the most segregated cities. I'm,
00:49:54.500 I'm from the suburbs of Atlanta. So I know it intimately. And, uh, what's happened to Georgia
00:49:58.960 is disgraceful with the great replacement going from 73% white, the state in 1990 to, uh,
00:50:05.600 about 51% white today. Uh, and a lot of that growth is, uh, not just blacks coming from back
00:50:12.320 from, uh, Northern cities, uh, to live in, uh, the black mecca and the surrounding suburbs,
00:50:17.800 but also, uh, heavily heavy growth in the, uh, Asian and the Hispanic, uh, communities there.
00:50:23.980 So that's right. Yep. They are replacing us. Yeah. There was some, let's see if I finally
00:50:28.000 clipped later with someone who talked about, we got to migrate to the South or something like
00:50:31.900 that. Anyway, we'll, we'll talk about that later. And there was a one County, I forget what it
00:50:35.360 was called to try to, or can it was like a wealthier, uh, area, but it's, yeah, it's
00:50:40.940 bucket, bucket, bucket, try to break away. Right. Have they managed that? Have you followed
00:50:45.660 up on that? I, I, I haven't. Oh, they, uh, unfortunately that was tabled by, uh, Brian
00:50:50.780 Kemp, uh, the governor, uh, helped override that. Uh, Trump of course attacked him for
00:50:55.440 that. He believes that the good people of Buckhead, which I do as well, should be able to leave
00:50:59.400 the city because it would neuter Atlanta, um, instantly take away, uh, more than half
00:51:05.680 of the tax base for the city and they'd be able to incorporate. And, but unfortunately
00:51:10.480 the problem is you just can't keep them out. Um, you know, you can't, you're not allowed
00:51:14.160 freedom of association. And if you had, if you had two things, if you actually had the
00:51:19.260 ability to have restrictive covenants, which Shelley versus Kramer back in 1948, that's the
00:51:24.400 most devastating, uh, Supreme court decision of all time, which destroyed freedom of,
00:51:29.480 uh, freedom of association. Uh, and which of course the NAACP was founded to go after.
00:51:35.620 Uh, that was one of the main things and they, they went to war, took them 30 years to finally,
00:51:40.520 uh, overturn restrictive covenants. And if you actually had that, you could have freedom.
00:51:44.820 And, but of course, if you actually had what, uh, Oregon had when they decided to vote to
00:51:49.320 just make the state so that, you know, uh, back in the 1850s or 1860s, blacks couldn't
00:51:54.100 even live in the state. Um, and they voted on it and, you know, they didn't want either
00:51:58.140 slavery or, or, or, or, or freed blacks. And, uh, you know, so anyways, just a little
00:52:04.120 history lesson for everyone paying attention.
00:52:05.960 Yep. That's right. All right. Make sure you follow, uh, Paul Curse, of course, on his,
00:52:09.740 uh, X or Twitter. It's, it's very, it's very hard with the name. I just, I can't get over
00:52:14.200 the exit rebranding. All right. Anyway, uh, it's, uh, B W L H underscore. So that's a short
00:52:20.660 for it because we live here and underscore on that, of course, uh, you have this,
00:52:24.000 uh, archives under, uh, stuff black people don't like S P D L S P, sorry, S B P D L. It
00:52:31.800 should be on UNS as well. Uh, so check that out. And of course the podcast together with
00:52:36.440 Jared, of course, a great podcast that they do together, uh, at Amron.com. So that's some
00:52:40.760 of the plugs for some of the stuff, uh, Paul is doing. Uh, all right, guys, stay with us.
00:52:45.100 Stay with us. Paul will be right back in part two.
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00:55:25.640 through. We're going through a, uh, great leap forward as the, uh, Chinese called it, right?
00:55:30.280 A cultural, uh, revolution, right? Uh, that's basically what it is. These people are, uh, Bolsheviks
00:55:36.120 and anti-whites that we're dealing with. So anyway, check out the second part here, uh, coming up
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