Red Ice TV - August 17, 2023


Willem Petzer - South Africa: Critical Race Theory Put Into Action


Episode Stats

Length

59 minutes

Words per Minute

167.65175

Word Count

9,994

Sentence Count

1

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

51


Summary

In this episode, I speak to Willem Petzer from South Africa about the current events happening in his home country of South Africa. In this interview, we discuss the current political situation in South Africa, the rise of the Afrikaner conspiracy theory, and the current state of affairs in the country.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 thank you for tuning in i am your hostess lana joining me is willem petzer from south africa
00:00:20.860 he's the chairman of the taxpayers union of south africa and i'd say an all-around africaner
00:00:26.680 activist letting the world know what is really happening in south africa so if you want to know
00:00:31.440 get the lowdown you definitely need to follow willem welcome willem thanks for being here
00:00:36.060 thank you very much for hosting me lana it's a it's an honor so it's winter time down there right
00:00:42.740 so how how are the winters in south africa well it was quite cold uh yeah a few weeks ago it went
00:00:50.920 below zero celsius a few days which is quite annoying but uh right now it's not that cold
00:00:56.840 it's about 12 degrees i don't even know what that is in fahrenheit probably like 50 fahrenheit
00:01:02.800 ah piece of cake yeah well this is going to be good my first interview actually on south africa was back
00:01:11.220 in 2014 so this is nearly a decade ago um and it's only intensified it's getting worse yeah there we
00:01:18.000 there's a ati scuta i don't know if you know him i wonder where he is and what he's doing but
00:01:22.220 well you and i first got in touch i think it was like a couple years ago and now we're of course
00:01:27.020 finally doing this interview but malemma was in the news again in the spotlight after a communist
00:01:33.780 eff leader malemma again was calling to kill the boar kill the farmer this was in a stadium
00:01:39.960 full of people and lefties in the west were saying hey you're all just taking it out of context
00:01:45.840 it's a song they used to sing against white oppression it's just a chance yeah by a political
00:01:51.480 leader openly calling for murder but not a peep from human rights groups in fact they defended it
00:01:57.380 what was your reaction to all of that if you were watching that i think you were on twitter or should i
00:02:02.000 say x well it it was nothing new to be honest with you i mean he's been singing the song since he
00:02:08.860 started getting into politics and it's not a a new song at all um i know a lot of uh journalists and
00:02:16.880 left-wing people say that uh uh we are equating this to a genocide here which i am i am not doing
00:02:25.700 um a lot of a lot of people on the conspiracy right are very much afraid that there might be a genocide
00:02:33.580 in south africa led by malema or something that he would instigate on on some level but from my side
00:02:41.760 i'm not afraid of of a genocide so much just because i don't believe the the black people in south africa
00:02:47.740 if they would want to go over to do something like that which i'm sure many of them do they don't have
00:02:54.660 the logistical or the managerial skills to be able to organize something like a genocide i always
00:03:01.900 tell someone i would much rather be oppressed in air quotation marks by malema or nelson mandela or
00:03:11.340 zuma or whoever than i would want to be oppressed by joseph stalin for the mere fact that it's basically
00:03:17.180 just an idiot running this country and i can say that without worrying about anything happening to
00:03:24.280 me because i know they don't have the have the know-how to do anything about it me sitting here saying
00:03:29.600 that so in that sense it's it's uh i'm not worried about it but in another sense we do know that
00:03:36.440 there's a lot of farmers going on in this country and they are mostly targeting old people um it's
00:03:44.760 mostly not the the rich farmers it's poor farmers that they target and it's old people it's people
00:03:50.280 that really can't fend for themselves and then they come in a group of six seven people they torture
00:03:55.720 and they murder uh you know really just people who who who are defenseless it's not it's not your
00:04:03.680 normal uh murders in most senses where where people will just rob or for for any reason they are
00:04:11.500 murdered it's just it's a complete hate crime the same thing happened to my uh family to my great
00:04:17.960 uncle and great aunt and also their son um who were killed they were tortured and they were written in
00:04:24.360 their blood on on the walls but it's they were just defenseless people sitting in their home they
00:04:29.560 were old they were in their 80s already so this is basically what we're looking at it's it's these
00:04:34.560 the these terror attacks or these hate crimes against against really defenses defenseless people
00:04:40.480 on the one hand but on the other hand they are quite afraid to to try and um do this with
00:04:48.160 young strong poor people for instance i can tell you a story in i don't know if you saw in bracken fell
00:04:55.620 it's one of the towns in south africa near cape town the eff had a um they had a a protest there
00:05:04.280 and they started a fight with with some of the parents of the school kids and they uh immediately
00:05:10.200 when the when the parents started fighting back the the eff guys were just running away they were
00:05:15.340 cowardly in that sense so uh it's not like they they will do anything unless it's on unless it is
00:05:22.000 against someone who is clearly not able to fight back or defend themselves i see yeah exactly and
00:05:28.940 it's not the poor white farmers that ever oppressed you now i'd argue they were never oppressed but i
00:05:35.500 mean that's their argument right you stole the land and that's what i was thinking too why don't you
00:05:39.440 go after um then in that case uh those who own the diamond mines try and go for that land or try and
00:05:46.960 go for those people but they never do right i mean aren't there they don't i mean there's large
00:05:53.180 corporations in south africa um what about them how come they never target them well um they have a lot
00:06:02.940 of rhetoric against large corporations in south africa but uh sometimes they would go to like a
00:06:09.580 supermarket chain like we have this pharmacy chain called clicks here and they would destroy these
00:06:14.560 uh shops of this chain because of a hair product there was this advertisement where
00:06:19.860 it said uh i think uh there were different types of shampoos for different types of hair
00:06:26.180 and then the one said something like uh uh um i think it said healthy air and then it had this
00:06:33.240 blonde girl a white girl on there as their model and then it said something like dry and uh cracking
00:06:41.880 air and then they had this black woman as their model on there and then the eff because of this
00:06:47.300 advertisement they they went to this uh this chain of stores that that released this advertisement and
00:06:53.120 they started looting the stores which uh basically is is what they do every time they protest if
00:06:59.080 there's a chance to start looting shops they will start looting shops that will be their main focus if
00:07:04.260 that's if that's even possible same thing in america right you know they get pissed off over some
00:07:10.860 yeah really retarded thing and then they have to go steal and burn down all of chicago you know
00:07:16.300 exactly they get so angry they have to steal a new iphone and then they blame they blame white
00:07:22.780 supremacy and racism these mythical things now i wanted to ask you now farm murders have gone up
00:07:30.060 since then right you had said it had gone up sevenfold since malema's uh chant there yes it's quite
00:07:37.280 interesting the week after his chant we had seven uh farm murders and the the statistics is about 50 per
00:07:44.220 year so that's basically one per week and then we had seven in one week and now this last week we
00:07:50.880 we again only had one so just for that one week uh after he chanted it the the farm murders went up
00:07:57.200 sevenfold but now it's it's down to normal again so obviously it's impossible to prove it beyond
00:08:04.980 reasonable doubt but it looks like there was quite a significant correlation between the chance happening
00:08:12.280 and uh these attacks going up sevenfold in one week and then stabilizing again now do you have a number
00:08:20.940 about how many farmers are operating in south africa well the last number we had was in 2011 and then it
00:08:29.980 was 30 000 but i think it has gone down since then a more a more realistic number today would be
00:08:38.160 probably about 20 000 okay so it's not a lot but then see and then journalists are like see it's not
00:08:43.840 that big of a deal right it was just a couple just a couple people a couple of white people died the
00:08:49.040 other day what's the big deal uh how do you respond to that well it's it's significantly they are
00:08:56.280 significantly targeted because of the fact that they live on farms and there's this whole land rhetoric
00:09:02.240 i think in the first place secondly it's easy they are easy targets because they are so isolated so if
00:09:08.480 you want to go kill someone just because you want to kill someone and for no other reason then someone
00:09:14.000 who's isolated like that is probably your best target and then yeah in the third place they they
00:09:22.480 basically just try to um get people off of the land because they think if they can get the land
00:09:30.800 which is their rhetoric they they can they'll somehow be rich from that because but we know
00:09:36.000 it's not the truth i mean most farmers are not very rich but if you look at the proportionality of
00:09:41.600 this 50 50 farm murders per year and there are 20 000 farmers which is my estimate then you you get to
00:09:48.800 a number of 250 per 100 000 per year which is very very high it's it's uh it's higher than i think uh the
00:09:58.800 mortality rate for soldiers were in the iraq war um you can check you can check that if you want i'm
00:10:05.440 not 100 sure of the numbers but uh i think it's higher than that and it's the fact that they're
00:10:11.600 being targeted because they're white if this was happening anywhere else in the world if if whites were
00:10:17.680 targeting let's say blacks uh farmers just because they're black you know and we wanted to land it would
00:10:23.280 be world news they'd be nato would be coming in there uh there'd be tanks from america coming in
00:10:29.760 there um so it's always it's the hypocrisy the double standard and it is a lot i saw this video
00:10:35.840 there was a cross for every white farmer killed in south africa was yeah between 2018 2022 it was a lot
00:10:42.000 it's a lot of bodies and and we're talking like horrible horrible executions and torture and killing
00:10:49.600 babies and killing parents in or in front of little children and just like really horrific uh
00:10:56.560 heartbreaking crimes i just couldn't imagine yes i would i would argue that the the method of the
00:11:03.440 killings are even worse than the numbers are um they've started in the 1980s and since then there
00:11:10.320 has been about 2 000 farm murders in south africa but we're talking about 40 years now obviously
00:11:16.000 and it hasn't stopped it was it was a terror technique that was begun by the anc before they
00:11:22.320 came into power and they started doing it in the 1980s and they haven't stopped since it's being
00:11:29.040 deployed up until today now how do some of the white uh lefties respond to some of this because it is
00:11:35.280 amazing seeing some uh you know south africans just kind of turn on their own like oh it's not a big deal
00:11:41.120 it's like it's like white liberals in america they just they're so self-hating i just it's just hard
00:11:47.520 for me to get in that mindset you know to be honest with you we don't really have white liberals in south
00:11:53.920 africa yeah not really i i if if you go into a normal conversation then 90 of the people would be
00:12:01.840 would be basically considered right-wing in america i like it good it's uh it's just because of the the
00:12:09.040 the the circumstances that they are in but uh if you're talking about white lefties in the news
00:12:14.240 and so on and so forth then it's uh it's it will most definitely not be africaners very few of them
00:12:21.760 are africaners it's uh mostly uh english people living in cape town in in 100 percent white areas
00:12:30.240 where there are no black people even coming close there or well basically anglos and then obviously
00:12:36.160 there's a lot of jewish people like the guy that said that he he wants to pair his wine with
00:12:40.880 with uh white genocide richard poplak i i have that tweet yes journalists so these people are not
00:12:48.800 affected by by far murders in any way they they live in cities they don't have family that own farms because
00:12:54.880 most farm owners in south africa would be um would be africaners would be uh african speaking germanic
00:13:02.160 peoples and then uh the anglos would mostly be in the cities so uh if you talk about my people
00:13:08.960 specifically then uh someone being a stereotypical american lefty would be very very rare to come
00:13:17.120 across yeah i've always had great conversations with africaners so that's good uh nothing gets you
00:13:23.520 red-pilled like being in the thick of it yes uh so what do you think about uh elon musk getting in
00:13:29.280 the conversation finally about killed the boar chant and south african general we see that it
00:13:34.560 was trending on twitter he's of south african heritage what do you think about that well i
00:13:42.320 would i would have to see if anything happens from it i i don't have a lot of hope a lot of people get
00:13:48.320 their hopes up when someone like for instance i think in 2016 or 2017 donald trump started tweeting
00:13:55.120 about farm murders and then everyone uh was celebrating and they thought that something
00:14:00.240 was going to happen or that donald trump was going to do something about it and then obviously nothing
00:14:06.320 nothing was done about it so i i honestly don't like it when people get their hopes up so much uh from
00:14:12.720 from something like that because it shifts the focus from them doing something that might actually help
00:14:18.880 like joining farm watches or militias or getting training and stuff like that and somehow they
00:14:25.440 they develop this this sort of savior mentality that someone's going to come and save us which is not
00:14:31.920 going to happen um i don't think elon musk really uh puts a lot of emphasis on the south african heritage
00:14:41.360 it's too bad um he went he went he went to canada i believe before he even left school uh high school
00:14:48.640 so he was very young when he left south africa and i don't think he's even even been here since
00:14:55.280 so uh in that sense i don't think he he uh sees himself as an or or some sort of ethnic loyalty to
00:15:05.440 south africans in any sense but uh it's good that he's talking about it to be honest with you i think
00:15:11.600 it's good that that someone because if he talks then everyone responds from the media even if it's
00:15:17.120 to just say that he's lying or that he's making up stories or whatever um it it puts a lot of attention
00:15:24.000 to it but uh i don't think we need more attention to fall murders within south africa in any case uh
00:15:31.280 because i think everyone who needs to be aware of it is already aware of it um do you think that
00:15:38.320 anything will come from from international attention to to this uh yeah i think it's good because then
00:15:45.440 maybe their pressure could be put on you know with the human rights orgs but those are all owned by
00:15:51.440 lefties we need our own human rights orgs uh but just having attention put to it i think is very
00:15:58.560 important right to know that eyes are watching so that's that there's some accountability i mean
00:16:04.480 what do you think is going to end it what is the answer probably probably in this in this day and age
00:16:10.720 nothing is going to end it we we need a complete uh paradigm shift within western society uh to happen
00:16:20.320 and that's the only way something will change i think uh to be honest with you the the the whole
00:16:26.880 light shining on farm murders in south africa and the anti-white hatred here is better for your
00:16:33.200 yes and their stick purposes than it is for for mine because you can you can actually use it as an
00:16:39.840 example right a warning example yes of uh what the path is that you're going down on because um if i look
00:16:48.400 at america today it looks to me very much like south africa in the 60s and the 70s see uh the exact same
00:16:56.560 sort of unrest that we had in those areas uh in those years we are seeing in america today so uh
00:17:06.400 when when when when are they going to start some sort of terrorist attacks on whites in america it's it's
00:17:13.600 it's it's it's the exact same tendency that we saw in south africa and uh if you look at something
00:17:19.440 like apartheid uh for example they say that it was this very oppressive system that was so detrimental
00:17:28.800 to the human rights of black people in south africa but they are saying the exact same thing about america
00:17:34.320 today so exactly do you think america is oppressive to black people today no no and i did i would say
00:17:45.680 no absolutely not and now i've looked into this and i of course i was in south africa uh the last year
00:17:52.240 during apartheid uh learned a few things i was corrected on a few things uh you know history we're never
00:17:59.200 we're never taught the true story especially in western institutions these days that are all
00:18:04.480 hijacked by marxists right um so let's talk about some of the biggest apartheid lies like for instance
00:18:11.840 that um we hear that white people were slaughtering and mass murdering blacks i don't know who says that
00:18:21.760 but they do they do they do yes nothing of that sort happens uh they were they were about uh in the in
00:18:32.240 the highest in the heights of the of the anti-apartheid movement where the terror and the the we can call
00:18:40.240 it the war in the township was at its highest about six thousand black people were killed uh during this
00:18:48.000 let's call it a a a an urban war about six six thousand black people were killed by white police
00:18:55.520 officers in those days but uh about thirty thousand black people were also killed by other black people
00:19:02.480 while the factions were fighting for control so obviously in that in those days there were a lot of
00:19:09.200 killings uh but uh before that i mean south africa was probably one of the safest countries in the
00:19:16.880 southern hemisphere it was right on par with with australia when it's when we are talking about
00:19:22.960 actual killings happening yeah that's amazing now i want to get into several other things here but
00:19:30.080 just a little backstory see people think that there was already this large population of people when
00:19:36.640 europeans arrived into what is now known as south africa but of course that's not true there was there
00:19:41.520 was nothing right there was nothing there until europeans built a civilization and then
00:19:46.720 you saw a influx of africans from all over the place coming down into south africa right
00:19:52.720 of course they they were people here they they were called bushman um they have they are not they are not
00:20:00.560 black in the sense or in the racial sense they are they are completely different race um they are the
00:20:07.440 aboriginal south africans but they are very very scarce in today's day and age they there's probably not
00:20:16.640 more than a thousand of them left but uh they were not killed by the white settlers coming in they
00:20:22.240 were mostly killed by by the black tribes coming in yeah um it's not after white people started
00:20:28.320 building a civilization here that black people started coming into south africa they were basically
00:20:34.320 at the at about the same time that the the dutch settlers get got to cape town they were also
00:20:39.760 starting to settle in south africa but obviously their numbers were extremely low they they were
00:20:47.920 they were less than a million of them just a hundred years ago just less than a million black people just
00:20:53.440 a hundred years ago if you look at the census in south africa at the union of south africa in in 1912
00:21:01.200 they recorded at the census about a million black people now there's about 50 million black people in
00:21:07.200 south africa today so it increased 50 fold over a period of about a hundred years and uh some of
00:21:15.920 that's just from people having a lot lots and lots of kids but most of it's from immigration from all
00:21:22.400 over all over africa yeah um because as uh when south african civilization was built it's a very young
00:21:32.160 civilization actually um i would say only from from the 30s and the 40s onwards people actually started
00:21:40.160 building a modern western country in south africa um so the actual civilization if you want to call it
00:21:48.880 that in south africa which is just not which which is not just a a settlement i would say is less than
00:21:55.840 100 years old but since then black people have moved on mass to the the cities that were were
00:22:03.200 built by africaners and to to south africa in general yeah and what they built was uh beautiful
00:22:09.600 i was just recalling i was just trying to pull it up i was in sun city the water park have you ever been
00:22:14.000 there uh which which water park it's uh called sun city it's in south africa oh yeah yeah sun city
00:22:22.400 is basically was basically called it was just a casino that was built there it was built by a jewish
00:22:28.480 guy that's that's actually a very interesting story uh gambling it was illegal in south africa under
00:22:37.040 the very conservative national party so sun city was not actually built in south africa it was built just
00:22:44.800 just on the other side of the border of south africa where it was like a um what's the taste
00:22:51.440 land in english like a homeland they they had these these homelands for black people uh which was
00:22:57.440 self-governed by these by these black tribes so sun city the casino was built just on the other side
00:23:04.240 of the border so white people from south africa can cross the border into the black homeland and go
00:23:10.480 gambling and then they can leave again after they're done gambling yeah so that's that's how sun city came
00:23:18.560 about okay i remember going down the water slides it had kind of like a egyptian theme if i remember
00:23:24.480 correctly oh i'll have to look again uh no speaking of earlier we were talking about uh
00:23:30.880 essentially segregation right um 90 of south africa already appears to be segregated now is this something
00:23:38.560 that the even the black population the majority of the white population like they're okay with you know
00:23:44.160 voluntary segregation or what are their thoughts on apartheid today i mean would it ever go back to
00:23:50.880 that i mean what's the general consensus uh not thinking about malemas people i think uh anyone who's
00:23:59.680 white you would say that they are against voluntary segregation is lying um i think uh even those far
00:24:06.800 left journalists are just too happy to live in yes areas 100 white and they would never go live in a black
00:24:14.080 area but i don't think black people are very happy about it because the black areas or the
00:24:19.680 the squatter camps are on the one hand it's just it's just a terrible place to live it's it's ugly it's
00:24:26.960 stinks there's trash everywhere there's not proper infrastructure and on the other hand the crime within these
00:24:33.680 townships are uh people in the townships are killing each other at a very high rate and they are raping
00:24:45.840 each other and it's almost impossible just to live a normal life within those areas so of course then
00:24:53.120 people who live in these squatter camps wants to live in the white areas they look at the white areas and they
00:24:58.080 feel envious of of the white people living there but uh if i if i were to ever have a conversation
00:25:07.760 with them and give them any sort of advice i would tell them why don't you just why don't you just fix
00:25:14.320 your own areas why do you need to come to the white areas if you can just stand together and and fix
00:25:20.880 suetu or whatever area and get rid of the criminal element and start just having a pride in the
00:25:27.920 area that you're living clean it up don't let the trash lie in the in the streets or the sewage or
00:25:32.800 whatever and just fix it that's what we did in our area so why do you need to come to our areas if
00:25:39.040 you can just do what we did and fix yours yeah it's the same story everywhere you know uh when you
00:25:45.760 get large populations of africans anywhere in the west it always ends up like that and they have a hard
00:25:51.120 time organizing getting their stuff together building something that's that's functioning and then
00:25:57.760 we just get blamed for it right and then they have to create these insane policies and these
00:26:02.640 theories like critical race theory and all these other uh mythical lies to try and explain the
00:26:09.840 differences instead of just saying we're different and that's okay i mean when i was in africa i remember
00:26:15.680 being the first white person that some people saw like going deep into the bush and they did better
00:26:19.840 living in the bush like in their their african ways they did right it's like coming into the city and then
00:26:26.960 you have soweto and the ghettos and then it just like it just it's bad you know it's yeah it looks
00:26:33.280 really bad no it's quite interesting now that you talk about critical race theory when i went to law
00:26:39.840 school we had to we had to basically do a subject called social social dimensions of justice which was
00:26:48.160 basically just critical race theory and how black people are basically owed everything and then um we had
00:26:54.800 another subject called philosophy and then when i saw philosophy i thought oh we're gonna do like
00:27:00.800 probably like the apology of of uh socrates or something like that which would be something
00:27:07.120 that's relevant to a law degree but then all we did was what they called african philosophy and i quickly
00:27:14.000 realized that there were no such a thing as african philosophy african philosophy is just marxism that
00:27:20.000 was painted black yeah it's just like normal marxist theory and then they sort of give it like a a
00:27:28.080 a little bit of an african tint but then you get people like the eff which they are probably the
00:27:34.720 most learned party in parliament they well except for the free freedom front plus the eff is the party with
00:27:41.520 the most uh college degrees and especially phds of any of the parties in the south african uh government
00:27:50.000 but then uh if you look at what they teach those those individuals it's just these african philosophies
00:27:56.640 that i that i discuss right now it's it's just basic marxism but they that but they tell them that
00:28:02.400 all of these ideas were were black ideas or african ideas or or that it was invented by black people but
00:28:10.960 no it wasn't it was invented by the frankfurt school and now you just make it yes exactly some african
00:28:18.160 guy that came up with these ideas yes yes now do you think it would be somewhat better if marxism
00:28:24.560 didn't poison their minds and all this crazy anti-white philosophy if it wasn't put in their
00:28:28.880 heads because i don't think they would have thought of those things on their own i mean there's always
00:28:32.560 going to be racial differences uh you see that all throughout the world and different cultures and
00:28:37.280 societies and civilizations we're just different it's fine to say that but do you think that it would
00:28:42.240 be a little better in south africa without all the communist marxist anti-white education education
00:28:49.840 or indoctrination i should probably not i mean there would always be conflict between different
00:28:55.440 ethnicities living in the same confined space they would just find some other reason to be to be uh
00:29:02.880 antagonistic towards towards the other the other ethnicities so that's just something that's
00:29:09.920 inevitable if you have a multicultural yes uh society it doesn't it doesn't matter what you
00:29:15.920 teach the people there will always be animosity between groups it's going to arise now i wanted
00:29:20.880 to pull out an interesting tweet by malema this was back in 2010 where he was talking about jewish
00:29:27.120 supporters so anti-semitism is hatred prejudice or hostility towards jews some of our biggest financial
00:29:32.880 donors are jewish and we love them and people are saying well what do you mean why are they such big
00:29:38.720 supporters why would jewish donors support your quest to uh kill the boar and slaughter the white
00:29:43.760 people what did you make of this when you saw this because i know there has been a lot of you know
00:29:48.880 jewish marxist influence in south africa and you know during the fall of apartheid well um firstly it's
00:29:58.400 impossible to know who the eff's donors are um in south africa it's actually illegal to donate to a
00:30:05.680 party a substantial amount of money uh without declaring the donation but then the eff just
00:30:13.840 say to all of their donors they shouldn't donate more than a hundred thousand rands which is like
00:30:18.800 five thousand dollars in in one go so they don't need to declare it the party doesn't need to declare
00:30:26.320 it so nobody knows who actually donates to the eff but a lot of criminals are actually openly supporting
00:30:33.840 the eff like uh all these different it's not not just you know jewish mobs but even like uh lebanese
00:30:41.680 mobs and bulgarian mobs and basically all the different mobsters in johannesburg which is
00:30:47.120 basically a gangster's paradise i mean we've got we've got we've got mafias from probably in any
00:30:52.720 country in the world in johannesburg because it's such a such a good incubator for these for these gangs
00:30:58.800 but any case so a lot of these gangs are actually supporting the eff um but to be to be honest with
00:31:05.440 you i i don't know who malema is referring to i can't i can't name any individuals that malema is
00:31:12.240 referring to in that tweet i don't uh i don't know a specific jewish billionaire or or or or anyone that
00:31:21.600 actually donates to them or openly supports them whereas the anc on the other hand i mean they had
00:31:28.080 a lot of them they the the the entire history of the anc is joe slovo right he comes to mind
00:31:34.320 i mean if you look at the ravonia trials there were more jews that were uh prosecuted than they
00:31:40.080 were black people do you know what the ravonia trials no i don't tell us it was uh uh very early
00:31:48.240 into when the anc started with their terror campaigns they basically arrested the entire
00:31:54.320 um the entire leadership structure of the anc and they prosecuted all of them i mean mandela was one
00:32:01.840 of the people who were prosecuted during those trials and that's why he and a lot of other people
00:32:06.880 were jailed for for so many years but if you i don't know if you can pull up the trials you can you
00:32:12.640 can look at the names there and then you can see who the with the leadership of of the anc was in
00:32:18.480 those days yeah then you can see it now oh wow okay so the trial 1963 you look at that now what is
00:32:28.000 their interest why why metal in south africa is it is it about the resources is communists communism the
00:32:35.840 best way for them to get their foot in there and cause a people and then they could go get diamonds
00:32:40.160 like what what is the problem here why no i honestly don't know how to answer the question
00:32:45.840 i don't know if you even know how to answer the question your guess is as good as mine why why they
00:32:51.120 do these things there are a lot of there are a lot of theories as to as to why but none of them give
00:32:57.920 conclusive evidence as to why they do it just a destruction destruction of the uh you know african or the
00:33:06.160 the goi you know the non-jews that are there i mean is there a large jewish population that's
00:33:10.640 there today i mean it sounds like there is but no no not at all it's actually quite interesting in
00:33:18.000 every small town in south africa there used to be like a synagogue and right next to the synagogue you
00:33:23.120 had your your like your freemasons lodge yes yes and now if you go to any small town like the the
00:33:29.840 freemasons lodge is probably uh bought out by someone else and turned into something else
00:33:37.760 and the synagogue is just basically falling apart like jewish people as a group mostly left south
00:33:46.240 africa in the last 20 years yeah but they still control the diamond business right and so they're
00:33:52.160 getting most of those diamonds from africa correct well there's this company called the bf which is the
00:34:00.240 biggest diamond company in the world it's it's owned by a guy called nikki oppenheimer and his and his
00:34:06.080 father was harry oppenheimer and they they were uh mining diamonds in south africa since diamonds were
00:34:13.520 basically discovered here but uh in 2003 the diamond prices just took a massive dip and it hasn't it
00:34:21.920 hasn't uh um increased at all since uh so diamonds diamonds are not very good business anymore
00:34:29.680 at all uh so most of the old the beers diamond mines in south africa are just not operational anymore but
00:34:39.200 the beers are still mining a lot of diamonds in in places like canada and russia and those areas but
00:34:46.800 they don't really mine in south africa anymore because but mostly because of the political
00:34:52.320 climate because the political climate makes it not profitable to to even operate those mines anymore
00:35:00.560 because once you start mining here you need to deal with all the unions and the strikes and people
00:35:06.320 attacking the mine and people who feel entitled to the profits of the mine or the fictional profits of
00:35:14.160 the mine they don't even know what profits they make but they feel that these profits need to be
00:35:19.200 shared with basically the black people because the the land should belong to the black people and i i
00:35:25.440 can repeat all of the rhetoric but i think you get the drift on yes so because of uh because of this
00:35:32.000 this political instability most of the almost all of the beers' minds in south africa are just
00:35:37.920 not operational anymore well that's a good thing i like to hear that now i did want to ask the anc the
00:35:47.040 eff you know they have this opposition to apartheid but then they also want separatism it's it's they
00:35:54.640 want something unlike anything white people ever did right they actually truly want to oppress white
00:36:00.880 people to me looking on the outside seems like they want to have them around so that they serve them
00:36:06.320 and help things uh function while they still hate them and treat them like a second-class citizen
00:36:12.800 i mean three decades right and uh of anc rule has destroyed south africa i'm surprised it took that
00:36:18.400 long obviously they must have had some help to uphold it but what do they really want like
00:36:22.960 what is going to make them happy i mean do they really want to advocate for the the g word here
00:36:29.360 genocide or not really because they know they wouldn't be able to you know get some of the things that they
00:36:34.320 have right now i honestly i honestly don't know what they think they they will be able to achieve with
00:36:42.720 their rhetoric and with whatever they are telling their supporters that they want to do because i mean
00:36:50.160 if they if they kill all the white people in south africa and they take all the resources and all the
00:36:55.760 money and all the land and everything from the white people that live here what are they they
00:37:02.000 most of the black people basically all of the black people will still be poor um i mean they are like
00:37:08.560 there are 10 black people for every white person in south africa and not all white people in south
00:37:14.000 africa are rich so if you take the take all of this money that white people have and you you distribute
00:37:21.120 still not enough yeah people everyone will still be poor so yeah because i do every now and then i
00:37:28.320 see a video that comes out where there's uh you know a black person in south africa is like no we
00:37:34.000 need white people around you know like be nice to them because you know blacks can't build anything
00:37:39.200 they'll destroy everything i mean how many blacks think like they want the tax money yeah yeah they don't
00:37:45.680 want the the people to leave because they sorry their taxes leave with them yeah exactly and the
00:37:52.160 medical help and all that and they already well africa i don't south africa doesn't get the aid but
00:37:56.640 it's amazing how much aid europeans even little countries like sweden give to africa it's just it's
00:38:03.280 outrageous um yeah no it is especially like uh more african countries than south africa if you go higher
00:38:10.720 up into africa yes oh yes exactly yeah now we were showing some footage of nelson mandela he's like
00:38:17.360 your mlk or i could even say george floyd now saint george floyd uh now nelson mandela you know
00:38:24.320 everyone up here thinks he's just this peaceful guy and he was fighting racism and white supremacy and
00:38:31.120 oppression of blacks a mass murderer of blacks now what can you say about him the the the cold hard
00:38:36.240 truth about who this guy really was well a really funny thing about nelson mandela is that he's not
00:38:44.000 liked by by your eff types or or even by most black people in south africa most of them see him as a
00:38:50.080 traitor so they see him as a traitor to their race because he didn't he didn't do what he said he was
00:38:58.400 going to do obviously you had this very radical rhetoric that the nc had that they were going to
00:39:04.480 basically destroy the entire african empire and they are going to give everything to black people
00:39:13.440 and whatever and then he didn't do it so most black people then saw him as a as a traitor because of
00:39:20.080 that but uh yeah he was basically just uh he wasn't even one of the higher ups in the nc which is
00:39:26.720 which is quite interesting he he was not and he was also not the the the most popular amongst the
00:39:34.160 black populace in south africa before 1994 but he was basically just the figure that the the western
00:39:40.640 countries especially america wanted to be president of south africa so so they installed him as the
00:39:47.760 president um i would say the end of apartheid was brought in south africa 95 by by america it wasn't
00:39:57.120 because of the anc or anything like that it wasn't because of the terror attacks that the anc had
00:40:01.680 uh conducted in south africa i mean if uh it was still handled by the government the reason why why
00:40:10.320 uh the anc took over south africa is almost exclusively because of america great huh such a great country
00:40:20.640 and just uh metal and make things better don't we well it's not us it's a small uh faction within our
00:40:27.040 government that's doing all these things but like you said earlier south africa is often used in our
00:40:32.720 circles as an example of what not to do uh things that people are attempting to do in the west certain
00:40:38.960 policies now we don't just have you know africans here like you guys have but we have a variety of
00:40:44.720 all kinds of people now from all over the world and essentially the idea is white people bad every other
00:40:49.920 uh non-european group is good so implement programs to hold back white people because
00:40:55.680 they stole everything now you have a detailed thread and you get into a lot but maybe you can
00:41:02.080 kind of tell how critical race theory in action looks like when it's put into government policy
00:41:08.000 what are some things in south africa a couple examples that you can give what a crt looks like
00:41:13.360 in action they're attempting to do those things they are doing these things in america
00:41:17.040 but like how deep does it go there well the the first and most important thing that happens is
00:41:25.120 you get rid completely of any form of meritocracy and nobody in any position is there because of any
00:41:33.120 form of merit anymore and it's not like it's helping anyone like for example you have black economic
00:41:40.320 empowerment in south africa which makes it almost impossible for a white owned company to operate
00:41:46.080 without having a black partner and they can't get state contracts if if you're not a black owned
00:41:52.960 company and so on and so forth but it basically just ends up creating nepotism it's not helping
00:41:59.200 black people it's just helping the anc and their friends and their family to become very rich a very
00:42:04.720 tiny small group of of black people um get very very rich off of it but there's no merit to anything so
00:42:13.200 for example if they tender for a contract to build a road they won't look at who actually has the skill
00:42:19.920 or the knowledge or even the the capacity to build that road they would just give it to the person that
00:42:25.120 they like the most or to their family or whatever and what happens um the road does not get built uh
00:42:32.080 or or the the person that got the contract just pockets the money and never does any work for the
00:42:38.320 money but then he's never prosecuted for it and uh so you just get the the the basic downfall of society
00:42:47.520 everything that was here that was uh working that was functional slowly gets deteriorated until it's
00:42:55.840 at a point where it just doesn't it doesn't operate anymore it doesn't even exist anymore and i think in
00:43:03.680 in any country where the same political uh ideas are actually put into policy the same thing will
00:43:11.840 happen you you will get rid of any form of merit-based system and you'll get a bunch of idiots
00:43:18.080 incompetent people in charge who destroy and do steal and uh basically loot the entire country and the
00:43:25.360 entire system with it now i'm curious how it's going to play out with south africa as an example because
00:43:31.360 like you said what you see happening in america right now is like south africa what 60s or 70s so
00:43:37.760 how is this going to play out how is it going to resolve itself you know demographics are a little
00:43:45.040 different there you're much more outnumbered in america well still 50 50 you know european americans are
00:43:52.480 still the majority right even in europe we're still the majority of course but we're not doing much to fight
00:43:59.120 back yeah we're not doing much to fight back against that mass immigration is happening and
00:44:03.040 then these white people bad philosophies are you know being put into into their heads so they want
00:44:08.080 blood you know they want to implement these kinds of crt policies into government they already are
00:44:13.920 so how does this play out i want to see what happens in south africa what we can learn from it we
00:44:18.800 can pretty much predict how does it end and how do we fix it i mean do africaners do i predict what
00:44:25.600 happen in the future yeah i mean you're closer to that brink you know so you mean when when we hit
00:44:33.680 rock bottom and there's no nowhere lower to go uh and we start actually going upwards what will happen
00:44:42.080 at that point yeah i mean do you think it's ever going to be that you know white people in south
00:44:46.160 africa are like okay this doesn't work we we have to just do our own thing i know there's irania there's
00:44:52.080 people that are talking about doing that i mean what are your thoughts on how this plays out i think
00:45:00.240 it goes back to to to small communities standing together and protecting each other and to have a
00:45:08.400 very high trust very uh close net small community that self-governs basically i think um if a state like
00:45:18.800 south africa completely fails uh and we we're very close to a failed state but if it completely fails
00:45:24.560 the only way that things are going to go forward is you'll have sort of little islands of uh africana
00:45:34.320 communities within a sea of of black people and then these small islands of africana people will have
00:45:41.520 to protect each other and protect themselves and look after themselves but they i don't think there'll be a
00:45:48.800 large bureaucratic status government anymore or there might be one but it won't have
00:45:56.880 the power to actually control the populace so you'll probably see uh let's say a more primitive form of
00:46:05.120 governance uh and that's the only way that it will go back to yeah now how do you respond to people
00:46:11.760 saying well just get out of there you know it's bad the the violence is bad it's escalating it's it's on the
00:46:18.640 brink of you know potential genocide just leave now i know a lot of africaners that are attached to
00:46:24.240 the land and they feel like well where can i go it's also bad in a lot of like the netherlands oh
00:46:29.600 my god it's also bad there but like i know a couple africaners who have tried to apply to get
00:46:34.160 back in the netherlands they're more dutch than a lot of the people that are in there today that have
00:46:39.360 come in through mass immigration they're denied because technically south africa isn't is still a safe
00:46:44.800 country right so they can't get refugee status they can't afford to leave it's harder some go to
00:46:49.920 australia and new zealand but some people they just don't have that option so what do you say to people
00:46:54.880 that are looking from our side of things i hear americans say all the time just get out just leave
00:47:00.320 you're surrounded right well there's there are hundreds of thousand people of people who already
00:47:06.400 left and i obviously don't blame them if they they want to leave they may leave for me um
00:47:12.240 um i've been to to quite a few different countries overseas and i and i don't i don't particularly
00:47:20.160 like it there i think in the first place uh staying amongst your own people is probably the best thing
00:47:26.960 that you can do because it's just um you'll never feel at home unless you are with your with your own
00:47:33.760 with your own people that's right it's the people it's the people yeah it's it's the people basically and
00:47:38.800 then on the other hand i mean it's it's just i think it'll be it'll be quite boring to move to
00:47:47.680 america for someone like me there's there's just so much it won't be that much different honestly
00:47:53.200 willem it won't be especially if you go to like chicago or something maybe south africa is even better
00:47:59.120 at least you can be kind of segregated the country where i would say a young man can still have sort of a
00:48:05.840 gyro's journey if you if you get catch my drift if you get what i'm saying yeah just a nine to five
00:48:12.320 sort of job that you do and then you don't have enough money to pay your rent type of thing everything's
00:48:17.840 very cheap here um still most people live very very comfortably yeah if you're just sort of competent
00:48:26.560 but uh there's there's just it's uh yeah it's a it's a land of adventure for me still i mean there's
00:48:34.400 there's a lot to to achieve here and a lot to do here and and uh a lot of factors that you can that you
00:48:41.920 can employ in your journey to leave your mark on this earth which would probably not be possible in
00:48:48.880 a country like america in america the only thing that you can do is make money basically yeah yeah well we have
00:48:55.280 a different kind of hero's journey here going on now fighting the big oppressive system you know
00:49:01.360 there's still a lot of good white folks here so i'm looking forward to seeing them more and more
00:49:06.160 wake up and like organize and start thinking about their future and their interests and what kind of
00:49:10.960 world their kids are going to live in right so even you as a white guy in south africa feel like
00:49:16.960 you can have a future like there's things that you can still do you're not like totally iced out
00:49:22.240 and totally threatened and and feel unsafe yes no no definitely no i i uh i am having a a good life
00:49:33.440 here and i'm i'm happy here so i've actually had the opportunity to go work in the netherlands and
00:49:39.440 i was offered a job there and i was even offered a job in in canada as well but i turned both of them
00:49:44.960 down so i i like it yeah you like the warmth too i'm sure let's face it yeah yeah i mean when i was
00:49:54.000 in cape town i felt like somewhere in southern california i was like surfers and skateboarders
00:49:58.080 and i was like this is nice here it's pretty and it wasn't crowded and we saw animals it was pretty
00:50:05.200 cool you know now i want to ask you about irania there was a tweet here south africa's on the brink of
00:50:11.280 full-out race war i strongly encourage every africaner to go to irania now we are too few
00:50:15.760 and too widely distributed to make a proper defense they want to kill us all they have
00:50:19.360 made that perfectly clear we do not have an army move now now irania is basically they're trying to
00:50:25.600 become a fully independent africaner country some say but look at what happened with rhodesia you know
00:50:31.360 you're surrounded demographics it doesn't matter i don't know what are your thoughts on
00:50:34.880 urania and what they're building and doing well of course i support what they are doing i'm probably
00:50:42.800 not going to live there myself i mean as i told you it's it's literally in the middle of the desert
00:50:48.560 um it's not a very nice uh area or environment looks hard hard environment yes it's a hard environment
00:50:59.360 it's it's just uh and it's and it's warm and it doesn't rain and you can't have a garden day
00:51:05.680 nothing like that all of the things that i like doing it would be impossible in urania so it's it's
00:51:11.280 definitely the lowest quality land that you can possibly go to in south africa i would rather just
00:51:17.840 stay in up up where the high quality land is and uh basically fight for what is mine but they did it
00:51:24.880 i think because then it's not as attractive to uh all these other people they don't look there
00:51:31.360 yeah maybe i don't know now what do you know about the the founding of the legal process like they had
00:51:38.640 to how did they go about that like okay this land we've bought now we're our own we want to be recognized
00:51:44.960 as our own country i mean this is this is a good model to follow because i think this is something that
00:51:50.400 might happen in uh you know european places in the future we might have to have enclaves like this
00:51:55.920 right claim land just to uh preserve ourselves right and protect ourselves like you were saying
00:52:01.520 earlier smaller communities what do you know about the the legal process of doing such well they
00:52:07.760 firstly they are definitely not sovereign they are still part of south africa people living there
00:52:13.120 still pay taxes to the south african government ah dang if if they were actually sovereign and uh
00:52:21.440 you if you move there and you and if you became a citizen you didn't have to pay taxes to the south
00:52:27.520 african government i would have definitely moved there but that's unfortunately not the case um
00:52:34.560 i think they market themselves as more than they actually are um they are not a folk start or a
00:52:41.600 people state they're basically just a an only a a white only town that's that's all that it is
00:52:48.240 and i don't want to be insulting to them in any way but uh be realistic it's just a small town in
00:52:54.560 the middle of the desert where where only white people are allowed to live but in every other sense
00:52:59.680 they are still part of south africa okay i know that there's some folks in america that are like
00:53:04.160 sounds like paradise to me let me go no yeah well it's very nice they'll take the desert just to be
00:53:12.320 around a bunch of like good normal white people you know it's very nice they should you should visit
00:53:18.160 it sometime if you enjoy it quite a lot i think yeah anything else you want to tell us about the
00:53:23.760 situation in south africa anything you think like the record needs to be corrected or anything that
00:53:29.840 you want to impart to people listening well um i think uh the entire world is put on the on the exact
00:53:40.960 same trajectory where we need to realize that people are being subverted into this universalist liberal
00:53:51.520 idea where where where you you can't have a sense of community and you can't have
00:53:57.040 a sense of nationalism or uh you you need to be an island as an individual the only thing that matters
00:54:04.960 is the individual but um once we start realizing as a whole throughout the world that probably the
00:54:12.400 greatest gift to uh to mankind is on this earth to live and be part of a community i think um the the
00:54:21.760 entire zeitgeist will change in a manner where every country will be able to have more freedom and more
00:54:29.520 more uh chances of self-governing and uh in south africa i think it's quite achievable for us to do that
00:54:37.840 if we don't have america we will basically bomb us if we try that but the moment in the moment that i
00:54:44.640 think uh the west will leave us alone to do our own thing i think naturally we'll have this sort of
00:54:51.680 self-governing self-segregation in south africa and uh we are not we are not afraid of the eff or
00:54:58.800 the anc or malema or any of those people um there's no way that if they start a war in this country or
00:55:05.600 they try to commit a genocide or whatever that they'll ever be um actually successful with it so i'm not
00:55:13.760 worried about that at all so i think the only reason why we are in the situation that we are
00:55:18.800 in right now is because america supports the nc basically yep typical you know are we supporting
00:55:26.320 the communists that's what they do right so frustrating well it'll be good to keep an eye
00:55:32.240 on south africa and see how things develop and also see you see you guys as like trendsetters so
00:55:38.480 that other folks you know other europeans across the globe say well they did it we can do it too
00:55:44.560 right it always takes the trendsetter the spear pushing through so that is a hero's journey because
00:55:49.920 otherwise times can get dark and rough and and ugly like i see happening in america like what has
00:55:57.200 happened through the decades of mass immigration and basically importing the garbage of the world
00:56:03.360 even other countries admit that like thank you america for taking all our trash thank you sweden
00:56:08.320 you know thank you eu you took all our trash we're doing better now you know so we can't let that
00:56:13.840 happen and i think eventually there is a breaking point and in that breaking point uh we can start to
00:56:20.800 organize and do some interesting thing exactly it is a hero's journey and i guess this is a journey that
00:56:25.680 we all have to go on to go through the fire and refine ourselves as a people and individually and
00:56:33.040 this is where we're at now everyone could follow you willem on a twitter telegram youtube telegram is
00:56:40.400 great isn't it we're on telegram too it's it's uh we're all the cool kids very active on there no
00:56:46.080 no she got to jump on there more it's good i like it no i'm more i'm more of my i think my biggest
00:56:52.640 platform is probably facebook because that's just the platform that most boomer book yes
00:56:58.400 honor people on yeah we got banned on i think it was like one of the first ones we got banned on
00:57:03.600 and youtube i'm surprised you're still on youtube but um i guess you really have to edit yourself yeah
00:57:08.560 because even talking about these things uh even defending against farm murders they call you all these
00:57:15.600 horrible names right isn't that outrageous like i'm against the murder of these farmers oh you white
00:57:21.120 supremacist it's amazing yeah no um you you won't get banned from a place like facebook if you mostly
00:57:29.600 speak afrikaans on the oh good yeah exactly like i mean i mean the average boomer on facebook says things
00:57:37.280 that are way worse than anything that you ever said on your show about topics that we all know are
00:57:45.440 completely not allowed to be talked about in any sense on social media and they get away with it
00:57:52.640 because they speak of the cards yeah yeah yeah yeah lived experience well folks willem he's not hard to
00:58:00.400 find neither are we so you need to spread the word share the interview let others know we are in an
00:58:06.480 information war but we have the information that will help us win we just need to get it out there so be the
00:58:12.320 army spread this discussion all of them and we'll see you on the next one
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00:59:06.720 Thank you.