Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - BONUS ｜ The Facts Confirm Jesus’ Resurrection. Here’s the Reason People Still Deny It ｜ Wes Huff

00:00:00.000 Wes, thanks so much for joining us again. Okay, you've been all over the place. I follow you

00:00:13.940 on Instagram, on Acts. It seems like you've been traveling the world. I saw you on Diary of a CEO

00:00:20.440 where you got to share the gospel. So I just want to hear a little bit from you. I'm sure the

00:00:30.000 Yeah, I've been very privileged to be able to get around and people in venues where the gospel and the reliability and truthfulness of the Christian faith might not otherwise be communicated.

00:00:43.160 So I'm just very humbled and appreciative of continually being asked to do things.

00:00:49.900 It might seem like I'm doing a lot. I'm actually trying to mitigate my schedule as much as possible, and I'm saying no to a whole lot of things.

00:00:57.000 But I actually just got back yesterday from a trip in Washington, D.C.

00:01:01.400 I was leading a group through a VIP tour of the Dead Sea Scrolls at the Museum of the Bible.

00:01:06.320 And then my colleague, Andy Steiger with Apologetics Canada, we did a couple of talks there.

00:01:11.440 So, yeah, busy.

00:01:13.080 Took my family, which was great.

00:01:14.820 We were able to run around Washington, D.C. and introduce my Canadian children to some American history, which is always fun.

00:01:21.820 So did your kids get to play at that little play area at the Museum of the Bible?

00:01:28.440 Oh, yeah, it's great.

00:01:29.480 That's the best.

00:01:30.520 That's the best.

00:01:31.380 We've done that, too.

00:01:32.640 Also, yes, social media really does kind of seem to like amplify and multiply all the

00:01:38.000 places we go and things we do.

00:01:39.300 People say all the time, oh, my gosh, you're traveling constantly.

00:01:42.300 I'm actually not.

00:01:43.440 Social media makes it seem like that.

00:01:45.240 But same kind of thing.

00:01:46.180 You have to be super selective in what you do.

00:01:48.200 But you're doing a great job.

00:01:49.180 So I'm just very grateful for your apologetics and your boldness in sharing the gospel.

00:01:54.300 I want to get into the resurrection because this is coming out right before or right on

00:01:59.740 Easter weekend.

00:02:00.640 We haven't quite decided yet.

00:02:02.300 And I want to hear from you.

00:02:04.120 What do you think is the best evidence of the bodily resurrection of Jesus?

00:02:10.380 Yeah, you know what?

00:02:11.400 I'm really fan of looking at somewhat of a two-step approach that the gospels go back

00:02:16.980 to the eyewitnesses and through that content and the context lies, lies are ruled out, right? So

00:02:25.060 if it goes back to early eyewitness testimony, then the accusation of embellishment and this

00:02:32.820 adding of something like the resurrection after the fact, I think really doesn't stand up to

00:02:37.600 scrutiny. It seems that the gospel authors get the details right, the small details, things like

00:02:43.880 geography and name correlation and even plant life in some instances. And so if they get the

00:02:49.260 small details right, I don't think it's that big of a leap to say that they get the big details

00:02:53.560 right. And then ultimately, I think that what we're dealing with, if we are dealing with eyewitness

00:02:59.920 testimony, which I think is very well attested to, is that we have these testimonies of these

00:03:06.720 early disciples of Jesus. And either the disciples were deceivers, they were deceived, or they were

00:03:12.000 telling the truth. And I think when you start to stack up the evidence of what's going on,

00:03:16.700 I don't think they were deceivers. I don't think they were deceived. And I do think that everything

00:03:21.740 points to their life radically changing in a powerful way because they encountered their

00:03:27.700 rabbi getting murdered and then rising from the dead. Yeah. What do you make of this accusation

00:03:32.960 that the gospel of Mark, it's the oldest account of Jesus's life. And I've heard Muslims and people

00:03:38.340 just skeptical of the resurrection say that Mark didn't originally include Jesus's resurrection.

00:03:44.240 Therefore, it must have been something added later.

00:03:47.620 Yeah, so there is what's called a textual variant issue with the longer ending of Mark.

00:03:52.620 If you go to the very end of your Gospel of Mark, you'll see that if you're reading a

00:03:57.240 modern translation like an ESV or an NIV or an NLT, that there will be a citation note

00:04:03.360 saying something to the effect of that the earliest manuscripts and the most reliable

00:04:08.040 manuscripts do not include that last sort of section in chapter 16. I think that is actually

00:04:13.840 true. However, I don't think that means that the resurrection isn't there. It's obviously there.

00:04:19.680 Before that instance, you have the women showing up to the tomb and they encounter an angel who

00:04:24.580 says, why are you looking for the living amongst the dead? Jesus is not here. He is risen. And so

00:04:31.080 I think there's some questions, there's some sort of ancient noise about the different versions of

00:04:38.000 the longer ending of Mark that we have. However, at chapter 16, verse eight, it ends and says that

00:04:43.240 the women were scared and tell no one. And I personally think that's where Mark meant to

00:04:47.660 leave it off. In that, well, they obviously told someone because Mark is writing it down.

00:04:51.940 But also I think Mark is being purposeful and he's saying, what are you going to do with it?

00:04:56.380 This is too good not to tell somebody, don't be like those women, go out and preach the gospel. 0.67

00:05:02.160 Is there anything in the account of Jesus's crucifixion or the resurrection that you think

00:05:07.260 people miss that as you're reading these accounts stand out to you, either as something that adds

00:05:13.060 veracity to the stories or just as something theologically significant? That's a really

00:05:19.860 good question. I think, you know, what I always find interesting about the crucifixion account

00:05:25.080 is that the gospel authors are very purposeful to make sure that the audience understands that

00:05:33.360 Jesus was truly dead and that that matters. And that when Jesus prophesies and the people want 0.94

00:05:43.980 things like miracles, and he says, you're just going to get the miracle of Jonah, the sign of

00:05:47.820 Jonah, just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. So the son of man

00:05:51.520 will be in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. And it's really interesting that

00:05:55.480 if you go back to the story of Jonah, in the book of Jonah, in the old Testament, Jonah's prayer

00:06:01.200 from the belly of the great fish was, he says, I cry out from the depths of Sheol.

00:06:06.480 What is Sheol?

00:06:07.440 Sheol is the realm of the dead. 0.89

00:06:09.420 There's actually a string of interpretation within ancient Judaism that Jonah was actually

00:06:15.480 dead in the fish and that when he was spat up, he was resurrected.

00:06:19.580 Now it could mean, you know, he's in the depths of despair.

00:06:21.580 It's like he's in the place of the underworld.

00:06:23.300 He might as well be there because he's in the bottom of the ocean in the belly of a

00:06:26.700 fish.

00:06:26.980 but I think you know it's interesting to look at that that the ancient Jews probably would have

00:06:32.100 understood Jesus I mean if they'd understood him correctly which they continually don't do

00:06:36.540 but if they'd understood him correctly saying you know I'm going to be dead I'm going to be really

00:06:40.960 dead and then something radical is going to happen just as Jonah is then put onto the shore to

00:06:46.440 preach the good news to people who are undeserving of it I'm going to be the better Jonah I'm going

00:06:53.040 to come and I'm going to do it. And I'm not going to, you know, be running from God. I'm going to

00:06:58.140 be fulfilling what God has actually planned. But you know, on top of that, Ali, I think it's really

00:07:03.480 interesting after that, that in all four gospels, in Matthew 26, in Luke 15, in John 19, and in Mark

00:07:11.060 15, you have this instance of Pentecost where the Holy Spirit is just a few weeks after Jesus's

00:07:18.920 crucifixion. It comes on them. And then you have the martyrdom of Stephen, which is a warning shot

00:07:23.980 for the disciples. Now they know it's costly. One of their own has died for this proclamation.

00:07:29.100 And then what do they do? They go back to Jerusalem. They go back to Jerusalem and they 0.85

00:07:34.620 proclaim the good news of the kingdom. Now, Jerusalem, that's like ground zero, right? That's

00:07:40.540 where this whole thing happened. It's so interesting to me that they go back to the place

00:07:44.880 where Jesus was crucified, where there would have been eyewitnesses who would have seen

00:07:48.820 his body dead hanging on a cross. And yet that's where they go to proclaim this news,

00:07:54.440 knowing that friends of theirs have lost their lives for this message, knowing that people would

00:08:00.120 have been able to say, we know where the tomb is, right? That Joseph of Arimathea guy, apparently

00:08:04.560 he's buried in his family tomb. There's so much at stake here. And yet the disciples know that

00:08:11.120 there's too much not at stake to not preach this message. If they were lying, if they were deceiving

00:08:17.980 people go out into the broader, you know, countryside, go to the places where people

00:08:23.200 would not have been able to say, Hey, wait a minute, Jesus, I saw Jesus die.

00:08:28.260 And so I think just the, the concreteness of Jesus truly died.

00:08:34.780 That's a historical fact.

00:08:36.540 This historical character, this Jewish itinerary rabbi, he was dead.

00:08:40.480 He was crucified on a Roman cross.

00:08:42.380 The Romans knew exactly how to do that very, very well.

00:08:44.740 And then he appears to his disciples alive again.

00:08:47.200 That's a historical question.

00:08:49.380 Dead, buried, uh-oh, seen alive.

00:08:52.620 What do we do with that?

00:08:53.420 How do we answer that historically?

00:08:55.300 And I think there needs to be given an account for the disciples' actions afterwards.

00:09:01.060 They saw something, and it completely radically changed their world.

00:09:05.160 And the reason why it's important for us to emphasize that Jesus really died, some people

00:09:10.140 may not know that that's a claim that skeptics will make, that Jesus didn't really die,

00:09:14.720 that he came close to death on the cross and that I guess maybe he was in a coma or he was just

00:09:20.540 chilling in the grave for three days and then he felt better and he decided, I don't know,

00:09:25.260 to move the stone away or something and then walk out of the grave to try to deny this kind of

00:09:30.140 miracle of the resurrection. But I remember you talking about this on Joe Rogan, that if there's

00:09:35.560 one thing that the Romans were really good at, it was crucifixion and making sure that people 1.00

00:09:41.020 suffer and die, right? Yeah, it's true. There are skeptics, it's sometimes called the swoon

00:09:47.800 theory, that argue that Jesus survived the cross and then somehow recovered in the tomb. I've heard

00:09:54.760 Muslims articulate it by saying he recovered in the cool of the tomb, as if, you know, it's such 0.89

00:09:59.800 a restorative place in a crypt. I think the skeptics who say that are not the skeptics who

00:10:06.360 are actually evaluating the evidence academically, or even I think honestly, it's a radical minority

00:10:12.960 position that Jesus survived crucifixion because all of the evidence, you basically have to

00:10:19.440 throw out all of the historical and all of the medical evidence about what we know happens

00:10:24.480 within a Roman crucifixion.

00:10:26.720 Every Roman guard, centurion, soldier who was responsible for Jesus's death would have 0.69

00:10:34.120 been on the hook if he did not die and their lives would have been forfeit and so this is not

00:10:40.240 something that roman soldiers you know just do glibly uh the romans crucified hundreds if not 0.97

00:10:47.500 thousands of people they were very very good at they didn't invent the process of crucifixion

00:10:52.400 but they certainly then made it what it was they kind of brought it into its um fullness in in as

00:11:00.600 a torture mechanism and device, but it was, it's foolish at best to posit that Jesus did not die 0.65

00:11:13.180 on the cross.

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00:12:08.680 goodranchers.com code Allie. You make such an interesting point that those who are denying

00:12:19.280 the historicity of the resurrection are doing so not because of the evidence, but in spite of the

00:12:26.600 evidence, which to me really goes back to a lack of desire to submit to Christ's authority. Because

00:12:33.840 if Jesus really did do all of these miracles, if it really was a virgin birth, if he really did

00:12:39.420 rise from the dead, then he's more than just a moral teacher making suggestions for the patterns

00:12:43.960 of your life or giving you good principles that you can take or leave.

00:12:48.540 Like, if he really did all of these things, if he really defeated death, then what he

00:12:52.820 says stands, and there is a consequence for not submitting to that.

00:12:56.320 And really, I mean, the history of the world is people grappling with that and not wanting

00:13:01.440 to let go of our sin in light of Jesus's authority.

00:13:05.860 Would you agree with that?

00:13:07.320 I would.

00:13:08.300 And you know what?

00:13:08.860 We see even skeptics within the New Testament themselves coming to terms with the evidence.

00:13:15.860 Thomas, at the end of John's gospel, John 20, 25 says, unless I see in his hands the

00:13:22.100 marks of the nails and place my fingers into the marks of those nails and place my hands

00:13:27.180 into his side, I will never believe.

00:13:29.020 This is a skeptical kind of reaction.

00:13:31.740 In John chapter seven, it says that not even Jesus's own brothers believed him.

00:13:36.880 And then we have Paul writing to Timothy in 1 Timothy 1.13, though formerly I was a blasphemer of Christ, Paul says, a persecutor, an insolent, an opponent.

00:13:48.100 He says, but I've received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in my unbelief.

00:13:53.740 It's interesting that word we translate as unbelief is actually the same word that we would translate as not trusting, not putting faith in.

00:14:01.340 And so we see even in the New Testament itself, examples of skepticism and doubt of what's going on.

00:14:10.080 I think sometimes people look at this and they say, oh, that's, you know, 2000 years ago. 0.97

00:14:13.440 These were just ignorant people. 0.97

00:14:15.280 This is what C.S. Lewis calls chronological snobbery. 1.00

00:14:18.120 You know, that we would believe, Ali, something like the virgin birth.

00:14:20.560 Well, you know what Mary's objection to the angel was?

00:14:22.940 Hey, I know how babies are made. 0.88

00:14:24.940 I fail the minimum requirements for having a baby.

00:14:27.840 How can this be, she says.

00:14:29.400 That's a scientific objection. 1.00

00:14:30.900 These weren't stupid people. 0.99

00:14:32.520 They knew exactly how the world worked. 0.97

00:14:34.680 Sure, they had more of a supernatural understanding of things, but just because it was a few thousand

00:14:39.820 years behind us doesn't mean they were dumb.

00:14:42.240 And I think the same goes with the resurrection. 0.95

00:14:45.000 They weren't dumb.

00:14:47.320 Thomas knew that dead people don't rise from the dead, and that's why it's so amazing.

00:14:51.820 And what do you think the significance is?

00:14:54.060 This is just a question that popped into my mind of Jesus maintaining his wounds, because

00:14:59.160 even if he had resurrected bodily, he could have healed himself. He could have had this

00:15:03.500 perfect woundless body. But of course, as you just said, with the account of Thomas,

00:15:09.460 he still did have the nail holes in his hands. Why do you think that is?

00:15:14.880 Yeah, that's a really interesting observation, isn't it? That Jesus had at least some degree of

00:15:20.640 the physical marks of the crucifixion. I think what's probably going on there is that,

00:15:26.380 You know, in John's letters, he says that God is love.

00:15:30.820 And if love is the greatest ethic, then the greatest example of the greatest ethic is

00:15:36.480 self-sacrifice.

00:15:37.800 And there's something very profound about the son of God who stepped off his throne

00:15:43.140 in eternity and lived a simple life in humanity and going to the cross voluntarily as the

00:15:49.460 second person of the Trinity, taking on our depravity.

00:15:51.900 then in eternity as the eternal god man in glory having the physical representations of that

00:15:59.680 particular event i think it's it's meant to be a reminder to us that for all eternity jesus is

00:16:06.980 going to bear the marks of the glorification of the godhead how god is truly glorified the cross

00:16:14.220 wasn't a contingency plan it was a mistake god didn't create people and go oops they rebelled

00:16:19.260 what am I going to do? No, in both Peter's letters and in Revelation, it says that before the

00:16:25.240 foundations of the world were lain, the lamb was slain. This was the plan all from the beginning,

00:16:30.200 that the God who is the example of love is going to then exemplify that in the greatest possible

00:16:38.680 ethic, which is self-sacrifice. And Jesus does that willingly. Amen. What do you think the

00:16:44.700 significance is of the resurrection of the bodies of believers. I mean, we read that this is

00:16:50.860 necessary for us to believe. It's necessary for us to believe in the resurrection of Jesus,

00:16:56.140 or else our faith is just foolishness. It's not anchored on much. But we also have to believe

00:17:01.600 that we are going to be resurrected one day. And I think that's a passage that confuses a lot of

00:17:05.860 Christians. It's not preached about or talked about a lot, because a lot of people are confused

00:17:09.360 about it. But obviously, this concept of bodily resurrection is really important within Christianity.

00:17:14.700 Why do you think that is?

00:17:16.740 It's a sign of restoration, Allie.

00:17:19.200 It's a sign that when Jesus says, you know, I'm making all things new in the book of Revelation,

00:17:25.100 that that's a promise, that we understand that the world was not created to be the way

00:17:30.200 that it is, that it was created good.

00:17:32.600 We see that very first pages of the very first chapter of the very first book of the Bible.

00:17:38.220 God creates the world and it's good.

00:17:39.660 And he continually says, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good.

00:17:42.720 And then for the thick people in the original audience at the very end, it says, and it

00:17:45.680 was very good.

00:17:46.600 It's a reminder that this world, it's marred by sin, but it was meant for so much more.

00:17:53.920 And that's going to be restored.

00:17:55.880 We're going to see how God makes all things new.

00:18:00.360 And Ali, you and I, we're not spirits that have a body.

00:18:03.820 We are fully physical and spiritual.

00:18:07.420 And there's something about that, about the way that we live our life here, about the

00:18:11.960 way that we treat our health, about the way that we treat those around us, that I think

00:18:16.660 we need to not forget that the hope, the goal is not just to float away and be some sort

00:18:22.920 of ethereal spirit in the clouds.

00:18:26.460 We are meant to, like our resurrected Savior, have a physical body, a glorified body, which

00:18:34.960 means something that exemplifies the beauty of the creation in the way that God originally

00:18:40.460 meant it to be.

00:18:41.540 Just to end this conversation, can you talk a little bit about heaven and also the new

00:18:47.260 heaven and the new earth?

00:18:48.760 For those who might not know, maybe they're exploring Christianity.

00:18:52.240 I mean, that is the hope of victory that we have that is claimed through Jesus's death

00:18:56.580 and resurrection.

00:18:57.180 So I think it's good for people to have a picture of what that hope actually looks like.

00:19:02.960 Yeah, I think we often have this understanding that our end goal is to get to heaven, that

00:19:09.480 we die and we leave this mortal coil and that's it and we we're trying to escape um that's actually

00:19:17.180 an ancient pagan idea the the ancient platonic philosophers and the gnostics believed that the

00:19:22.260 physical was bad and the spiritual was good and that our spirits are really trapped in these meat

00:19:26.720 prisons and the goal is to get away from this all and that's why when you look at paul's preaching

00:19:33.840 on Mars Hill. They're tracking with him in the Areopagus, at that place, that meeting place for

00:19:41.360 philosophers to speak in public. They're tracking with him pretty well until he drops the word

00:19:46.320 resurrection. And then they start saying he's crazy, he's drunk. Because that is their 0.84

00:19:53.200 understanding, right? That you are meant to be a spiritual, ethereal being, and that you are

00:20:01.660 limited by this physical body. And I think we swallow something that's false when we think of

00:20:07.260 heaven as the final goal. What we read about and what, you know, you see within the Old Testament

00:20:13.920 in the hope of the resurrection is that all of the created order is going to be aligned and made new

00:20:21.140 and restored, and that's going to be beautiful. The same beauty that we marvel at when we see

00:20:27.300 a sunrise, when we see the mountains, when we see the ocean, when we just look at creation and it

00:20:33.880 just sings to us of God's glory, that's going to be restored to what it was meant to be. We're going

00:20:39.480 to be in awe once again at mountains, at stars, at oceans, at valleys, at, you know, forests,

00:20:45.780 at deserts. These things are going to continue to bring us into awe in eternity because God is

00:20:52.240 going to resurrect us in a body that is, I think, although I don't know exactly, probably

00:20:59.180 analogous to something that we have here on earth, but much, much better, much, much

00:21:04.220 more just what it was meant to be.

00:21:08.020 But heaven, Allie, heaven is the layover.

00:21:11.340 It's going to be a great layover.

00:21:12.840 It's going to be amazing layover, but it's not going to be the end goal.

00:21:15.660 We can still hope in heaven for the restoring of all things, for when, as you read in Revelation,

00:21:21.680 heaven and earth come together and we dwell with God and he is the presence that gives us that hope

00:21:29.020 and that restorative newness I'm really looking forward to it and I have to continue to remind

00:21:34.960 myself because it's so easy to forget this is a promise it's not an if it's not a maybe Ali you

00:21:41.880 and I are going to stand in the new heavens and the new earth and we are going to glorify our God

00:21:47.580 and a risen Savior in a way that I don't think we can ever fully understand, but I'm looking

00:21:53.800 forward to it. And something like Easter, as Paul says, that's the first fruit. It's just this little

00:21:58.480 taste. It's like a taste test for a meal that we can't even imagine how good it's going to be.

00:22:06.160 Amen. Amen. I think it'll feel something like, although, you know, we really can't fully

00:22:11.880 even comprehend what it'll feel like to step to the other side of eternity and heaven and

00:22:16.840 the uniting of heaven and earth. But a weak, maybe earthly analogy is when you've been traveling as

00:22:23.960 you have for the past couple of days. And just imagine the most stressful travel days that

00:22:29.400 you've ever had. And you don't even realize it, but you're holding tension in every part of your

00:22:33.560 body. Your immune system is shutting down. You're worn down. You're aggravated. And then you finally

00:22:38.700 get home. You get to sleep in your own bed that night. All the tension is released. You feel

00:22:44.220 restored. And I just imagine that is a small taste of what it'll be like in heaven. We don't

00:22:49.460 even realize the weight and the burden of sin, our own sin, and the sin of the world that we

00:22:55.600 are carrying through this life. And to feel just the relief of the freedom from sin and the effects

00:23:01.920 of sin forever, I think we can't even imagine the joy that we will experience in that moment.

00:23:08.940 And as you said, it's not just an escape from the bad things of this world. It's about glorifying

00:23:13.420 God forever, and that's where we find our joy. But it is a gift also, that we will get relief

00:23:19.120 from the sin that has been binding us for so long. And you're right. We see that in the resurrection,

00:23:24.840 that death couldn't hold him, that sin can't hold us, and that we get to defeat death with

00:23:31.260 Jesus in eternity by going to heaven and spending forever with him.

00:23:35.580 That analogy hit a little bit too close to home after traveling for a number of hours with four

00:23:40.660 kids and getting home last night, but you're exactly right. That's exactly what it's gonna be

00:23:44.660 like. I know exactly how you feel. Well, Wes, thank you so much. You are a blessing to the

00:23:49.140 body of Christ, and I am so incredibly grateful for just how God has equipped you and how you

00:23:54.460 are using those gifts to serve the body. So thank you so much. Always a pleasure to be on and chat.

00:23:59.740 Thanks, Allie. Thank you.

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