Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 100 ｜ Ilhan, Incitement & Identity Politics

00:00:00.000 Hello, Relatable listeners. This is my 100th episode, 100 episodes of Relatable. That's

00:00:08.980 pretty amazing. We started last March doing one a week, and then we started last summer doing two

00:00:16.520 a week. And then now, of course, we do three a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. It has been

00:00:22.140 really fun. I've learned a lot since I started doing this podcast and you guys have helped me.

00:00:26.760 Thank you so much to those of you who have been listening from the beginning,

00:00:30.780 to those of you who just recently started listening, no matter when you started listening

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00:00:42.100 I love about my job, but getting to interact with you guys, getting your emails, getting your messages,

00:00:48.400 getting your feedback about the podcast, and being able to talk to you about the things that matter,

00:00:52.420 that means so much to me. So thank you so much for listening for all of these 100 episodes.

00:01:00.980 If you haven't listened to the beginning of the Relatable podcast, I encourage you to go back and

00:01:06.760 listen because we kind of lay the foundation for a lot of what we believe and why we talk about the

00:01:11.560 things that we talk about on this show. It might kind of help you, give you a little bit of context

00:01:16.400 into these conversations. But anyway, thank you so much for listening. If you have not listened to

00:01:23.540 Monday's podcast yet, you definitely should. We talked about Black liberation theology,

00:01:29.720 this doctrine that is posited as a Christian viewpoint, a biblical viewpoint, the similarities

00:01:36.220 that it has surprisingly to Nation of Islam and how both of these things are founded in Marxism,

00:01:41.760 which we know is a secular ideology that has led to the suffering of at least 100 million people

00:01:47.040 over the past century, and why we should be on the lookout for these kind of collectivist

00:01:53.300 viewpoints seeping into the evangelical church. And so we use scripture to back up our analysis of

00:02:00.080 these things and how we can actually push back on the lies that are indeed infiltrating our pulpits.

00:02:07.680 Today, we are going to talk about the many controversies surrounding Congresswoman Ilhan

00:02:13.220 Omar, and we are going to talk about the First Amendment as it relates to her and the criticism

00:02:19.420 surrounding her, as well as the plight of identity politics, how that is defining our dialogue and

00:02:25.840 why it truly is so damaging. First, I do want to talk about or just touch on Notre Dame, Notre Dame,

00:02:32.760 however you pronounce it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I had the privilege of visiting

00:02:37.020 Notre Dame in 2013 when I was studying abroad. As you guys know, I am a Protestant, and so there isn't

00:02:43.300 for me the extra layer of significance that there is of Notre Dame for as there is for Catholics, but of

00:02:51.200 course, it is a beautiful piece of art that has been around since the medieval times that we can all

00:02:58.320 admire and that we can all respect the significance of for millions of people around the world.

00:03:04.560 Unfortunately, it has been brought to my attention that there are reformed Protestant Instagram

00:03:11.120 accounts that are posting memes kind of making light of or trivializing the burning down of Notre

00:03:18.440 Dame, the destruction of the cathedral, and people have asked me what I think about that. I think that's

00:03:24.840 terrible. Let's go back to the five solas for a second and look at one sola, which is sola scriptura,

00:03:32.700 in scripture alone or through scripture alone. We believe on the absolute authority of scripture

00:03:38.900 above any other human authority. While scripture tells us that Protestants say that we respect and

00:03:46.500 that we adhere to, scripture tells us in Romans that we are to mourn with those who mourn and we are to

00:03:52.360 rejoice with those who rejoice. And so we can still acknowledge that there are serious doctrinal

00:03:58.220 differences between Catholics and between Protestants. And we can refuse for just a second

00:04:06.220 to make light of what is a tragedy. And really, it's not just a tragedy for people of the Catholic

00:04:12.900 faith. It's really a tragedy to the people of France. This is actually a publicly owned building

00:04:17.780 owned by the people of France that is in a way almost leased to the Catholic church. It's not

00:04:22.900 owned specifically by Catholics. I've heard the excuse that the building of it was paid for by

00:04:30.440 indulgences, which of course, Protestants rightly believe that indulgences are unbiblical. But that

00:04:36.720 really, to me, does not justify the disrespect that I am seeing from some Protestant social media accounts

00:04:43.940 posting memes about this. I mean, guys, that is completely unchristlike. You are doing nothing to

00:04:51.420 advance the gospel. You are doing nothing to demonstrate the love that Christ has called us

00:04:56.000 to. And so maybe check your heart for just a second. If you really believe in the five solas,

00:05:01.960 if you really believe in TULIP, the way that you Calvinists, and I'm included in that, say that you

00:05:08.020 do, then maybe we should start demonstrating that faith in a way that's a little bit more loving than

00:05:12.880 posting a meme about the destruction of a cathedral that millions of people find significant. I wouldn't say

00:05:18.440 that this is a happy time, even if a mosque was burning down. I shouldn't even say even. If a mosque

00:05:24.840 was burning down, if a building of any person of any other kind of faith was burning down, and there

00:05:30.660 were people who were mourning, there were people who were hurting, the right thing to do would not be to

00:05:36.380 laugh at that. Would not be to say, well, they don't believe what we do, so it's all good. Really?

00:05:42.740 You think that's what Jesus would have done? You think that's the best way to show what you believe,

00:05:48.540 to share the gospel? I certainly don't think so. So for those of you who have messaged me about that

00:05:53.820 and wondered my thoughts, those are my thoughts. And I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, especially for the

00:05:59.040 Catholic people who are listening to this, who see that and see and think, oh yeah, that's why there's so

00:06:05.060 much animosity between us. Look at those Protestants and how much they hate us. No, that's not true.

00:06:10.300 That's not an accurate portrayal. Unfortunately, people in the meme world can be extremely immature

00:06:16.860 and they think that anything is worthy of being laughed at. And it's just not. It's just not.

00:06:22.860 That's not the love of Christ. And I'm sorry for anyone who has been hurt by that. Now, speaking of

00:06:27.760 Catholicism on Friday, I have Matt Walsh on my podcast, Matt Walsh of the Matt Walsh show on the

00:06:33.640 Daily Wire. And we are going to talk a little bit about the differences between Catholicism and

00:06:38.900 Protestantism, but we're not really even going to focus on that. We're actually going to talk

00:06:42.640 about heaven and hell and what happens after we die, which should be a really interesting

00:06:47.920 conversation. It's pretty timely, actually, because Friday, of course, is Good Friday. And so you can get

00:06:54.120 a nice religious theological conversation that hopefully will get your theological wheels turning

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00:08:32.780 for you to email me, Ali at the conservative millennial blog dot com. And without further

00:08:37.600 ado, let's go ahead and get into this Ilhan Omar controversy. So all of you know probably who

00:08:44.000 Ilhan Omar is. She is the freshman congresswoman from Minnesota over the weekend. The discourse

00:08:50.720 in this country really reached, I would say, one of its low moments. And that is saying a lot.

00:08:56.220 There's been a lot of low moments in American discourse, really in all of its history, but

00:09:01.200 especially, I would say, over the past two years and with the rise of social media, things just get

00:09:05.960 so heated so fast. We can no longer, it seems like, look at the other side and say, you know,

00:09:11.300 I respect you as a person and you just have you have you have a different perspective than I do,

00:09:16.420 but we could still go to dinner. We could still get along. I still hope the best for you and your

00:09:21.820 family. The vitriol and the hatred and the aggression towards both from both sides towards

00:09:30.840 the other side is is really, really something. It's I don't know if it's the lowest point that

00:09:36.700 it's ever been, but we certainly see its lowest points on display more than we ever have, which

00:09:42.020 probably exacerbates the problem. And we saw that demonstrated through the back and forth between

00:09:48.580 Ilhan Omar's speech that she delivered last month at at a banquet for a council on American

00:09:55.760 Islamic relations. That is CARE, C-A-I-R. We talked about them last or on Monday on the podcast,

00:10:03.340 I believe. Or did we? I don't I don't remember if we didn't. The council on American Islamic

00:10:10.800 relations is a terrible organization. I'm not just saying that as a left wing or as a left wing.

00:10:16.340 Wow. As a right leaning person, it is a left wing organization. But as a right leaning person,

00:10:22.140 that's not the reason why I'm saying it's bad. It's because they have legitimately been charged

00:10:26.080 as co-conspirators and terrorist and terrorist attacks. They do PR for Hezbollah. They do PR

00:10:31.760 for Hamas, which are terrorist groups in the Palestinian region. And they are legitimately a terrible,

00:10:39.420 horrible, horrible, evil organization. They truly are. And they are behind Ilhan Omar, who, as we know,

00:10:47.840 has been guilty of saying anti-Semitic comments on Twitter. Now, you will hear from people on the left

00:10:54.000 that she's not anti-Semitic. All she's done is criticize Israel's foreign policy. Well, actually,

00:10:59.160 I would say that's the one thing or Israel's policy and our foreign policy towards Israel.

00:11:04.440 But I would say, actually, that's the one thing she hasn't done. I haven't heard, and maybe she has

00:11:10.120 recently made legitimate criticisms of Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and made legitimate

00:11:17.560 criticisms of Israel. But I haven't heard that. What I have seen her say is that Jews are hypnotizing

00:11:22.860 the world, that Israel is hypnotizing the world, that the only reason any Republicans in Congress

00:11:28.200 would support AIPAC, which is an organization that supports Israeli relations with America,

00:11:34.940 is for the Benjamins, for the money, which, of course, perpetuates this trope that Jews are

00:11:40.580 controlling the banks, that Jews are controlling the world through finances, and that they are,

00:11:47.080 like Karl Marx said, just hucksters. She's perpetuating that stereotype probably without even

00:11:53.080 knowing it. And so she has been known for a long time, really, since 2012 or before that,

00:11:59.040 to be an anti-Semite, to be someone who believes in these negative stereotypes about Jewish people.

00:12:04.700 And so her criticism of Israel doesn't really seem to be substantive. It doesn't seem to be legitimate.

00:12:11.460 So that is, I would say that that has damaged her reputation even before we knew that care

00:12:18.740 was behind her, which is not exactly surprising. She is absolutely an extremist. She wrote a letter

00:12:25.660 to a judge in Minnesota asking for an alleviated sentence or a lighter sentence on citizens of the

00:12:35.000 country of immigrants. I think it was Somali immigrants who tried to join ISIS. So she is an

00:12:40.140 extremist. People who question her patriotism are not being Islamophobic. They're not being racist.

00:12:45.780 They just have legitimate questions about her adherence to the Constitution and her love for

00:12:51.940 the country, because she has shown that she really detests. She really detests American values. And we're

00:13:00.680 about to see that. So she gave a speech at this care banquet. And here's a little bit of what she said.

00:13:06.720 For far too long, we have lived with the discomfort of being a second class citizen.

00:13:13.100 And frankly, I'm tired of it. And every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it.

00:13:20.380 Care was founded after 9-11, because they recognized that some people did something,

00:13:27.760 and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.

00:13:34.980 So you can't just say that today someone is looking at me strange, that I am going to try to

00:13:43.580 make myself look pleasant. You have to say this person is looking at me strange. I am not comfortable

00:13:51.340 with it. I am going to go talk to them and ask them why. So some people did something. That's how

00:13:59.520 she described 9-11. Now, I'll be honest. At first, when I heard that, I said, okay, maybe we're blowing

00:14:05.300 this out of proportion. Maybe, you know, I've given speeches before. I'm nervous. I don't know what I'm

00:14:12.660 saying. I've tried to maybe backtrack or I've said the wrong thing. Okay, that happened. So let's try

00:14:19.300 to view this in the most charitable way that we possibly can. But even with the context, and given

00:14:25.960 the context of the other things that she has said about the country, the other things that she has

00:14:29.720 said about certain groups that she seems to not like, it's not that far off to guess that she is

00:14:38.340 probably purposely, deliberately minimizing what happened on 9-11. In a tweet from a man named Imam

00:14:48.040 Mohammed Tawidi. He is a self-proclaimed Islamic scholar. He's a peace advocate. He said in a tweet,

00:14:54.600 Ilhan Omar mentions 9-11 and does not consider it a terrorist attack on the USA by terrorists.

00:14:59.900 Instead, she refers to it as some people did something, then goes on to justify the establishment

00:15:04.460 of a terrorist organization, CARE, they are, on U.S. soil. Obviously, a lot of people went after her for

00:15:11.500 that. One of them was Dan Crenshaw. He said on Twitter, first member of Congress to ever describe

00:15:17.080 terrorists who killed thousands of Americans on 9-11 as some people who did something unbelievable.

00:15:23.640 AOC was extremely upset about that, told Dan Crenshaw, who of course lost his eye in war,

00:15:31.920 defending our country to do something, which is not surprising, again, coming from someone as

00:15:36.900 thoughtless as AOC. I'm not trying to be rude. That just is an apt description of who she is. She

00:15:42.360 doesn't think before she speaks. And so she tells a veteran that he should probably do more to defend

00:15:48.980 9-11 victims, to defend the country. She's a 29-year-old congresswoman who was a bartender about a year

00:15:56.080 ago, and she's going to tell Dan Crenshaw that he needs to do something. But this is the arrogance that

00:16:01.400 we're seeing from these freshman congresswomen like AOC and like Ilhan Omar. There was another

00:16:08.560 another video that was circulating about Ilhan Omar. She was in an interview a little while ago talking

00:16:15.200 about Hezbollah and Hamas. Here that is. It was the thing that was interesting in the class was every

00:16:22.040 time the professor said Al-Qaeda, he sort of like his shoulders went up and, you know, he's in command

00:16:29.560 here. Al-Qaeda, you know, hospital. He's an expert. And it was, you know. What's his name? We are not

00:16:38.200 saying his name. You probably get to see him on CNN. Yeah, of course. I love those guys. But you know,

00:16:44.840 but it is that you don't say America with an intensity. You don't say England with an intensity.

00:16:51.560 You know, you don't, you don't say the army with an intensity. So my mistake, she was only talking

00:17:00.280 about Hezbollah. And if you could understand that she was saying, you know, it's, it's really weird

00:17:05.160 that we talk with more intensity about Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda, which are, as we have said, legitimate

00:17:12.760 terrorist organizations with the same intensity that we talk about the army or England or America.

00:17:20.680 America, that's crazy. That's so in her mind, she thinks that terrorist organizations that have

00:17:27.340 killed thousands of innocent people who are evil to the core, who have been so relentlessly brutal

00:17:34.560 towards its own citizens towards or its fellow citizens and towards its enemies. She thinks that

00:17:42.080 they are on the same moral plane as America or as England or as the American army. I mean, that just

00:17:49.200 tells you what her perspective is. And so it is fully, like I've already said, fully legitimate,

00:17:55.280 fully within the realm of logic to question this woman's patriotism. I would also like to question

00:18:00.660 her sanity, but unfortunately, I think that she's probably mentally with it. I really just think

00:18:05.540 that she hates the country. She tweeted not too long ago, I think it was 2017. And it actually was

00:18:10.820 recirculating that we just need to realize that our country was founded on genocide. Our country was

00:18:16.660 founded on neo-colonialism. That's the only way we've been able to obtain power. I mean, this is just

00:18:22.360 the postmodern crap that is being perpetuated in academia that is just not true. Every civilization

00:18:28.580 since the beginning of time, every civilization that has been civilized, which I guess is the definition

00:18:34.800 of a civilization, has in some way committed a sin against the people that it had to conquer. And America

00:18:42.400 certainly is not free from that guilt. Yes, there were bad parts of our history. Yes, there were

00:18:48.360 things that we shouldn't have done the way that we treated Native Americans, the way that we have

00:18:52.200 treated other groups throughout our history in this country. But the idea that we were founded upon

00:18:57.980 genocide, that we were founded upon neo-colonialism isn't true. The reason why Ilhan Omar came here with

00:19:04.720 her family as a refugee 20 some odd years ago from Somalia was because we were founded on something

00:19:12.780 that was much better than that. We were founded on an idea, on a radical idea that all men and women

00:19:18.460 are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among them being

00:19:23.940 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That is why she and thousands of other refugees every year

00:19:29.940 have made their homes in America. Why did you come here? Why did your family come to a country

00:19:35.160 that is rooted in genocide? Isn't that why you left Somalia? Why would you have left Somalia if this

00:19:40.500 country is really no better than the countries in Africa? Tell me that. But she has been so inundated,

00:19:46.620 so indoctrinated with this far leftist Marxist group think that tells you that anything that is

00:19:52.840 related to power, anything that has been successful, anything that is related to wealth and to

00:19:59.400 individual liberty is somehow inherently oppressive. And that has come out in her political views.

00:20:08.520 It's come out in her views on Israel. It's come out in her views on 9-11. It's come out in her

00:20:13.060 views on the United States. And this really shouldn't be something that is difficult for Democrats to

00:20:19.100 condemn. I understand that she is on their side, but if I were Nancy Pelosi, I would be so embarrassed

00:20:26.640 embarrassed by the PR of my party. I would be so embarrassed that our chief messengers are three

00:20:34.620 freshman Congresswomen, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Ilhan Omar. I would be so ashamed,

00:20:43.820 and she is a little bit. She's actually done some interviews recently where she's, again,

00:20:47.560 tried to downplay them, tried to say, oh, they're not that big of a deal. You know,

00:20:51.240 I really appreciate all of their gumption. I appreciate how enthusiastic they are.

00:20:56.280 But she said recently she's not a socialist and the Democratic Party isn't a socialist. Well,

00:21:01.800 Nancy Pelosi, you don't say what the Democratic Party is anymore. You just don't. You're not in

00:21:06.900 charge. People like Ilhan Omar are in charge. Now, the president responded to the circulation of Ilhan

00:21:16.420 Omar's video where she is saying 9-11 was some people just doing something. He tweeted a video

00:21:26.080 montage of scenes from 9-11 cut back and forth. Here it is.

00:21:31.540 Care was founded after 9-11 because they recognized that some people did something.

00:21:38.900 So you have no idea right now? Other than another one, another plane just hit. Some people did

00:21:46.780 something? Oh my goodness, there is smoke pouring out of the Pentagon. Some people did something?

00:21:57.940 It just flew straight into it.

00:21:59.960 You know, I know this is very technical. I thought that the video could have been edited a little

00:22:19.020 better. I thought that it could have been a little more powerful, but I also thought that it was a

00:22:24.300 really good point. I mean, being that flippant about the greatest terrorist attack on our country

00:22:31.280 juxtaposed with the absolute horror of the day, the devastation of the day, the loss of the day

00:22:38.500 is important. It truly shows just how un-American those comments were. So I thought that it was a great

00:22:45.440 idea, but the left flipped out and it just further exemplifies that truly Ilhan Omar and her

00:22:54.180 cronies in Congress are leading the party. That Nancy Pelosi, that the mainstream Democrats have

00:23:02.340 completely lost control and Ilhan Omar is the left's hero, is the hero of the Democratic Party. So

00:23:10.500 every single Democrat that you can possibly think of saw Trump's tweet and said almost the exact same

00:23:18.900 thing, turn this into a battle of identity politics. So Bernie Sanders tweeted, Ilhan Omar is a leader

00:23:26.000 with strength and courage. She won't back down to Trump's racism and hate, and neither will we.

00:23:31.560 The disgusting and dangerous attacks against her must end. Elizabeth Warren, Donald Trump is trying to

00:23:36.920 incite violence and to divide us, and every political leader should speak out against that.

00:23:41.700 The Republican leadership in Congress cannot take a pass on this. Blah, blah, blah. Republican

00:23:47.480 leadership are complicit. They love that word. Complicit in what he is doing. It's wrong.

00:23:52.200 Beto O'Rourke. This is an incitement to violence against Congresswoman Omar, against our fellow Americans

00:23:59.400 who happen to be Muslim. This is part and parcel of what we've seen from an administration that has

00:24:03.880 described Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. What? Cory Booker. Trump's recent attacks on Ilhan

00:24:10.580 are unacceptable. This is the same language that gives extremist license to carry out violence

00:24:15.480 against our mothers, our Muslim brothers and sisters. Omar herself, she utilized a lot of the

00:24:21.460 same language when she put out her statement on all of this. She said that it was an incitement of

00:24:28.780 violence. She took screenshots of Dan Crenshaw's, Dan Crenshaw's response to her with a quote from

00:24:36.020 Fox and Friends. She said, this is a dangerous incitement given the death threats I face. I hope

00:24:41.300 leaders of both parties will join me in condemning it. My love and commitment to our country and that

00:24:46.080 of my colleagues should never be in question. We are all Americans. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, of course,

00:24:52.880 we're not surprised by this. She said that the Republicans' attacks are, quote, not normal and are

00:24:59.840 an incitement of violence against a progressive woman of color. Also, AOC tweeted out a quote that

00:25:08.220 was describing the Holocaust. And she said, you know, first, you know, that quote, that's like,

00:25:13.900 I didn't speak up for the socialist because I wasn't a socialist. I didn't speak up for the blank

00:25:18.340 because I wasn't a blank. It goes on and on. And then they came for me and I had no one to speak

00:25:22.800 for me. She was saying that in relation to Ilhan Omar. I mean, really, you have the audacity.

00:25:28.420 And the audacity, and I guarantee you she didn't think through this. I don't think that she thinks

00:25:33.500 very hard about very much. The audacity to compare someone who has made blatantly anti-Semitic

00:25:41.240 comments, compare them to a Holocaust sufferer, a victim of the Holocaust, a victim of Nazi Germany.

00:25:49.380 You have the audacity to compare Ilhan Omar to a Holocaust Jew? Really? Because she said

00:25:58.120 something that solicited legitimate criticism? You're going to say that she is being persecuted,

00:26:04.080 that she is akin to people who were thrown in gas chambers? Are you serious? You thought that that

00:26:09.340 was probably the best move? And you as some kind of hero for speaking up for her? You think you're

00:26:15.540 Corrie ten Boom because you tweeted something about this? You think you're Bonhoeffer for sticking up

00:26:20.960 for someone who is decidedly anti-American? Okay, AOC. Really good move. It's very smart of you.

00:26:28.220 Always making extremely brilliant comments. Now, the question is, is this an incitement of violence?

00:26:37.040 Also, just to back up for a second, I do wonder how Democrats get their language down

00:26:43.940 so uniformly every time. I mean, they just, they just, they know their messaging and they're like,

00:26:50.940 okay guys, I don't know if it's a conference call. I don't know if it's a group text. I don't know if

00:26:54.700 they have grouped me. I don't know if they get on Skype. I don't know how they do it, but somehow

00:26:59.540 they all come together really fast and they're like, okay guys, this is what we're going to say.

00:27:04.500 These are the words that we're going to say. We're going to say exactly like this and no one get off

00:27:08.900 of the talking point because this is how we have to approach this. And so they're saying that this is

00:27:14.420 incitement of violence. Now, if you know anything about the first amendment, you know that pretty

00:27:20.080 much all speech is protected. But if you say something that incites violence in the constitutional

00:27:28.480 context, that means directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to

00:27:34.880 incite or produce such action, then it is not protected by the first amendment. So this is a

00:27:42.260 democratic effort to police language that they don't like by saying that it incites violence. So

00:27:48.840 it is not covered by the first amendment. No, it is not. It is not incitement of violence to quote her.

00:27:56.480 That's literally what the president did. He happened to put it next to the events of 9-11,

00:28:04.020 but does that take away the significance of her words? Does that mean that she didn't say something?

00:28:09.500 Is this slander in any way? Of course not. All we're doing is playing a video of what she said.

00:28:16.000 And I don't agree with anyone's life being threatened based on what they believe,

00:28:21.880 based on something that they say. I think the people that issue death threats or violence threats

00:28:26.860 against someone that they don't like, even against someone that they really hate and think are

00:28:30.680 dangerous. I think they're the scum of the earth. I hate that. I don't want violence against Ilhan

00:28:35.160 Omar. I don't want her life to be threatened. I don't even want her to be uncomfortable. I actually

00:28:40.240 want us to be able to have these conversations. I want Ilhan Omar to be able to say very offensive

00:28:45.560 things. I want her to be free to believe very offensive things. And I want the ability to be able

00:28:52.460 to engage her in that. I want the ability and the freedom to be able to criticize her without being

00:28:57.520 called a racist, without being called a sexist, without being called an Islamophobe. I want us

00:29:03.440 to be able to have really offensive ideas. And I want us to be able to say things that other people

00:29:09.400 hate without being told that it is inciting violence when it is not inciting violence. It is the,

00:29:16.840 if I'm able to kind of use what is typically seen as a logical fallacy, but it's actually not in this

00:29:23.440 case, the slippery slope. I am afraid of the slippery slope that Democrats are now using

00:29:30.400 to say, well, this video that the president just put out, the juxtaposition of Ilhan Omar's words

00:29:37.200 with 9-11 is incitement of violence. I'm afraid of the slippery slope. I'm afraid of them saying,

00:29:42.600 well, anything that is critical of a minority, anything that might arouse anger in someone,

00:29:50.220 that that is incitement of violence and you can't say it. But the funny thing is,

00:29:54.900 that doesn't seem to be true of their own side. I mean, if that was really the standard that they

00:30:00.600 held, that anything that is critical of someone else, quoting someone else and criticizing them

00:30:07.120 is incitement of violence and is therefore not covered under the First Amendment, our right to

00:30:12.220 free speech, then they need to apply that to their own side. But of course, we see with Democrats that

00:30:17.140 that's not something that they really want to do very often. I mean, Cory Booker called Kavanaugh

00:30:21.320 supporters complicit in evil. I mean, let's think about Covington. Let's think about how that was

00:30:26.400 covered. And that was much worse. That's even a totally different thing than what the president

00:30:30.300 did to Ilhan Omar. All the president did to Ilhan Omar was say, well, this is exactly what she said.

00:30:35.440 And here is the event that she's talking about in such flippant terms. They lied. MSNBC lied about

00:30:41.960 the Covington kids. CNN lied about the Covington kids. They jumped to conclusions about Kavanaugh.

00:30:49.880 They jumped to conclusions about Russian collusion. They jumped to conclusions about

00:30:53.780 the Jussie Smollett so-called attackers and made the conclusion that this is Trump's America.

00:31:00.640 I mean, really, if you want to talk about incitement of violence, then OK, if this is what

00:31:08.180 incitement of violence is, is criticizing someone, then wow, you guys deserve all to be fined.

00:31:15.840 You guys are not covered by the First Amendment because how much so-called violence have you

00:31:21.680 apparently incited against the president, against Republicans, against conservatives by saying things

00:31:27.380 that aren't even true? At least the things that we are saying of Ilhan Omar are true.

00:31:31.360 But even if they weren't true, even if they were exaggerated, even if someone did say something

00:31:37.040 that is racist, that should still be covered by the First Amendment. That still is not incitement

00:31:42.380 of violence. Speech can be wrong. Speech can be offensive. Speech can even be hateful and still

00:31:49.400 be covered by our freedom to speak what we will. Of course, that is what the First Amendment is for.

00:31:56.700 The First Amendment is not for speech that you agree with. The First Amendment is not for

00:32:01.100 innocuous speech. The First Amendment is for offensive speech. You do not have a right not

00:32:06.820 to be offended. You do not have a right, especially as a public figure, to not be criticized. You are

00:32:13.540 going to have to be held to account for your words. I'm held to account for my words. Now, yes, is it

00:32:19.460 unfair to decontextualize someone? I absolutely think so. That's why I think we need to look at the

00:32:23.980 context of Ilhan Omar's words. But the context doesn't help her at all. So she is a free to

00:32:31.040 be criticized. And again, if anyone truly does incite violence, if anyone says, hey, someone

00:32:37.120 needs to go and attack her and, you know, doxes her, that's wrong. That shouldn't be covered by

00:32:42.040 the First Amendment. But I haven't seen anyone do that. The president certainly didn't do that.

00:32:45.980 So Democrats saying this is an incitement of violence shows, once again, how much disdain

00:32:51.440 they have for American principles for the First Amendment and how hypocritical they are. I mean,

00:32:56.640 their personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them all day long should definitely fall

00:33:04.800 under the standard that they have just set for free speech. I mean, I don't remember when James

00:33:09.520 Hodgkinson shot Steve Scalise in the hip and almost killed him because he thought that Republicans were

00:33:16.780 kicking people off their health care and that Bernie Sanders, that Bernie Sanders' statement was right,

00:33:21.760 that 24 million people are going to die because of Republicans, which is not true, by the way.

00:33:28.020 That that that was I don't remember Democrats saying that that was an incitement of violence

00:33:33.220 on Bernie Sanders' part, that Bernie Sanders should be held responsible for that.

00:33:38.600 I don't remember that. I mean, I don't think that he should be held accountable for that,

00:33:43.060 but apparently they do. So if this is your new standard, then you guys better not say

00:33:48.080 anything. You guys better not say anything that is disrespectful or rude or untrue about Republicans

00:33:54.740 or Donald Trump ever. But we know that that's not going to happen. That's the only tool they have

00:33:59.320 in their bag. That and I guess identity politics. I guess Pete Buttigieg, should he should he be accused

00:34:05.980 of inciting violence when he says that Mike Pence has harmful views on biblical marriage? Well,

00:34:12.960 he doesn't have harmful, harmful views on biblical marriage. He has biblical views on biblical marriage

00:34:19.280 and there's nothing harmful about them whatsoever. You can disagree with them, but that doesn't make

00:34:24.420 him a bad person. So is Pete Buttigieg inciting violence against Mike Pence for saying these negative

00:34:30.880 things about him? I mean, it is absolutely so loony and how they have jumped on this to say

00:34:37.460 that the president is in fact, is in fact inciting violence and is therefore not protected by the

00:34:45.980 first amendment shows you how uniformed they are in identity politics and the hatred of the

00:34:51.840 constitution. But this really just kind of shows, this really just kind of shows where we are as a

00:34:57.540 country. We are more polarized than we have ever been. We can't have an agreement on anything.

00:35:02.160 We can't have any kind of basic understanding of what falls into the realm of constitutionality.

00:35:10.840 We can't have any kind of basic understanding of what morality is. And we cannot tolerate someone

00:35:17.780 disagreeing with us or legitimately criticizing us. We just can't. What the left does is they say,

00:35:23.320 well, it has to be about the color of our skin, has to be about what gender I am. It has to be about

00:35:29.280 something nefarious, something evil, something personal, and not just that we don't like your

00:35:34.320 ideas. I mean, we see this from AOC all of the time. She claims that no one in the GOP has any

00:35:40.660 legitimate criticisms of her and they only take below the belt shots at the things that she wears

00:35:47.880 and how she sounds. No, it's because your ideas are terrible. I don't think AOC is a terrible person.

00:35:54.120 I don't think that she's the smartest person in the world, but I don't think she's a terrible person,

00:35:57.680 but I think her ideas are horrible. Same thing with Bernie Sanders. Same thing with Ilhan Omar.

00:36:02.360 Now, Ilhan Omar, I do have a reason to very much question her character, but I would sit down and

00:36:08.800 have a conversation with her. I would respect her. I would fight for her constitutional rights. I would

00:36:13.940 fight for her individual liberty. I would fight for her right to say things that I think are

00:36:17.940 completely offensive, but I don't think that I would get the same respect in return for some reason.

00:36:22.080 I don't think the Democrats have the same deference towards my right to hold my views and

00:36:28.200 to speak my views and to be public about my views as I am for them. I don't think that that is a

00:36:35.440 reciprocal respect that we receive from people on the left. And I, but I still do believe that the

00:36:40.820 right should uphold that, that the right should uphold their rights, even when we disagree with

00:36:45.200 them, that we should have some principles, that we shouldn't be trying to shut down people that we

00:36:49.760 don't like. We also shouldn't cease from criticizing them. Uh, before we finish this up, I do want to

00:36:54.940 tell you or remind you about unplanned. You guys have heard me talk about this before. Um, I have

00:37:00.560 seen it. I was extremely emotional when I was watching unplanned. It really changed my, I wouldn't

00:37:06.340 say changed my perspective on abortion because I was already pro-life, very pro-life before I saw it.

00:37:12.520 I saw it back in February, but until you actually see what goes on at a planned parenthood,

00:37:18.860 it's very hard to wrap our minds around just how evil this act is. I mean, that's probably why

00:37:24.780 the MPAA gave them an R rating, but it was also probably to deter young people, people with kids,

00:37:31.520 uh, from seeing the movie. But you should, as if you can, you should go see the movie. You should

00:37:38.700 try to stomach everything that you're going to see. I mean, it just exposes just how terrible

00:37:44.540 the practices are and how wicked abortion actually is. It is very hard to walk out of that theater.

00:37:52.080 The same way that you came in, you follow the story of Abby Johnson, who herself had two abortions.

00:37:57.840 And then, uh, she was very pro-choice. She worked at planned parenthood. She was really good at what

00:38:02.640 she did. And so she, uh, rose through the ranks. And then one day she was called in to assist with an

00:38:08.120 abortion. And she saw what actually happens for the first time. And it completely changed her heart.

00:38:13.440 It completely changed her mind. And truly God has done an incredible work through her story.

00:38:19.040 Unplanned has done really well in the box offices. I think it surpassed everyone's expectations,

00:38:23.380 much to the chagrin of people on the left. Google labeled this as propaganda. I mean,

00:38:29.660 they do not want you to see the truth. There is nothing that is propaganda about this. All it does

00:38:35.340 is show you exactly what an abortion is, exactly what goes on in Planned Parenthood from someone who

00:38:41.460 actually lived it themselves. And so if you haven't seen it, seen it, go to unplanned.com or

00:38:47.920 unplannedfilm.com. That's unplannedfilm.com. You can see where it is playing near you. I encourage you

00:38:54.660 to go and to bring your friends. Okay. As we finish this up, uh, let's talk about, I want to talk about

00:39:01.080 the analysis that Maggie Haberman had in the New York times. She was analyzing, uh, everything from the

00:39:08.780 Republicans response to the Democrats response over Ilhan Omar. She said what I thought was

00:39:13.400 a very good insight. She said, Mr. Trump and his Trump and his team are trying to make

00:39:17.640 Ms. Omar, one of a group of progressive women, democratic house members, who is relatively

00:39:22.420 unknown in national politics, a household name to be seen as the most prominent voice of the

00:39:26.420 democratic party, regardless of her actual position. And they are gambling that there will

00:39:30.280 be limited downside in doing so. Um, now where I agree with her is that they,

00:39:35.680 that is exactly probably what Trump and Republicans are doing, that they're hoping to show just how

00:39:41.680 radical this person is so that Democrats will be embarrassed by her. And Nancy Pelosi will speak

00:39:47.720 out and say, you know, she does not align with the rest of our party. And that there will be

00:39:52.240 Democrats who say, okay, you know what? I might not like Donald Trump, but I don't want to be

00:39:56.080 associated with someone who is un-American. I think that's probably a pretty good strategy

00:40:00.460 because I think that's true of a lot of people who are Democrats, that they are not as far

00:40:04.800 left. They are not as crazy. They're not as anti-American as Ilhan Omar is. Um, but where

00:40:10.920 I disagree with Haberman is that she makes this an issue about being a progressive woman, again,

00:40:16.200 using that identity politics language, that it's not just because of her ideas. It's not because

00:40:20.800 of what she's saying, but it's because she is a progressive woman. And of course we've seen that

00:40:26.000 he is also being racist. He's also being an Islamophobe. It has nothing to do with those

00:40:30.980 things whatsoever. It has to do with the things that she is saying and the way that she is

00:40:35.900 exemplifying her lack of patriotism. And she can say as much as she wants to, she can say as much

00:40:41.260 as she wants to, that she loves this country, but her words say otherwise. Uh, so here's what the

00:40:46.380 Bible has to say about all of this, that we as Christians should care about justice. We've talked

00:40:52.280 about this before in the Lord's prayer. It says on earth, as it is in heaven, may God's will be done.

00:40:57.500 We should care about justice being served. We should care about the least of these being taken

00:41:03.600 care of. The question is not whether or not we believe in justice. We believe in mercy. We believe

00:41:08.980 in compassion. It is how, and with justice, it has to be connected with, as we talked about,

00:41:14.360 I think it was on Monday has to be connected with truth has to be connected with evidence. It cannot be

00:41:19.660 collective justice in that all white people or all Republicans are guilty of something, but it has to

00:41:25.620 be based on truth has to be based on evidence and it has to be individual and it has to be direct.

00:41:30.420 That is not the social justice that we see from the left. Certainly it is not justice to say that,

00:41:36.060 um, Israel is categorically bad because the Palestinian people have been suffering. I mean,

00:41:41.080 that's not connected to truth and it's also not direct. Uh, the reason why it's not connected to

00:41:46.020 truth is because the reason mostly that the Palestinians are suffering is because Hamas runs the show and

00:41:51.760 Hamas is a terrorist organization that kills its own people. And so if you want to talk about the

00:41:56.300 suffering of the Palestinian people, I'm for that. I believe in compassion for them. I want to help

00:42:00.660 them too. And I, I feel my heart breaks for the Palestinian people that are suffering, but the

00:42:06.160 reason why they're suffering is because of their own leadership that they elected. And so that should be

00:42:13.760 where our resources, if we are going to give them and where our energies go to helping them in that way,

00:42:19.620 not to in any way detaching from Israel and to placing, uh, play placing blame where it is not

00:42:26.360 found. Uh, and so the so-called justice that Ilhan Omar says that she is seeking when she speaks for

00:42:32.680 organizations like care and when she speaks so critically of Israel is not real justice. Now we

00:42:38.620 can have a debate and a conversation about that. Like we can talk about the nuances. I certainly don't

00:42:43.500 know everything about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. We can talk about the best mode of foreign

00:42:49.060 policy. Uh, I think that that's all open to debate and that is all within the realm of logical reason.

00:42:55.280 And we can have a conversation about that in a way that's productive. That is not what Ilhan Omar has

00:43:00.420 done. That's certainly not what the Democrats are trying to facilitate. They're making everything

00:43:04.060 about race, everything about identity politics, everything very personal to where Republicans

00:43:09.120 aren't even allowed to criticize what she's saying without being called terrible people, which of course

00:43:13.860 is something that we are very used to. So we are supposed to seek justice. We are supposed to correct

00:43:20.220 oppression. We are supposed to bring fairness to the fatherless and we are supposed to plead the widow's

00:43:26.800 cause. That is something that Jesus came here to teach us to do and to command us to do. But again, it's a

00:43:32.700 matter of what that looks like. The right believes that that is in protecting life and individual

00:43:37.640 liberty. And so the private sector can do their best to protect and to help the least of these.

00:43:42.860 The left believes that that is through wealth redistribution and through this crazy calculation

00:43:47.920 of social cosmic justice that is really more about collectivism than it is about doing what is right.

00:43:53.980 And so that's where we disagree. And if we could get to the point where we acknowledge that we all

00:43:58.800 have the same goals, um, if we do have the same goals that many of us have the same goals, we just have

00:44:04.280 a different means of getting there rather than saying that if you criticize what I say, you must

00:44:09.160 hate all women, then we could be in a much better place. I am not looking for all of us to agree.

00:44:14.260 I'm not looking for all Democrats to become conservative or for Ilhan Omar to suddenly be in

00:44:19.420 love with Israel. Uh, I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for us to have a legitimate conversation

00:44:25.140 about this. I'm asking for us to give each other the freedom to have ideas that differ from our own

00:44:30.880 and to be able to have substantive, uh, substantive discussions about this. But we seem completely,

00:44:37.840 completely unable to do that. And I'm not saying that the right has been completely innocent on this.

00:44:42.840 Uh, certainly president Trump hasn't necessarily been the most productive player when it comes to

00:44:48.020 positive dialogue. We can all do better, but we got to get away from the identity politics. We got to be

00:44:53.480 able to criticize someone for something that they say without being thrown under the bus as a terrible

00:44:58.080 person. So that is my, that's where I'm going to end that today. Uh, like I said, I will be here

00:45:03.700 on Friday with Matt Walsh. Make sure that you subscribe on YouTube and make sure that you leave

00:45:10.700 me a review. Wow. A review. If you would like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave that in there.

00:45:16.360 Like I could edit that out, but I just been talking for like 45 minutes and I just stopped being able

00:45:23.400 to form words, but you know what I was saying anyway. Love you guys. And I will see you on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 17, 2019

Ep 100 ｜ Ilhan, Incitement & Identity Politics

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