Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1001 ｜ Christian Bridal Designer vs. LGBTQ Mafia ｜ Guest： Dominique Galbraith

00:00:00.000 The Human Rights Division of the state of New York is targeting a Christian fashion designer, Dominique Galbraith, for refusing to make a wedding garment for a woman in a same-sex relationship for her ceremony.

00:00:16.500 She is such a strong woman of God.

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00:00:23.140 Her strength, her boldness is so admirable.

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00:00:46.500 Dominique, thanks so much for joining us.

00:00:58.200 Could you tell everyone who you are and what you do?

00:01:00.260 Sure.

00:01:01.040 My name is Dominique Galbraith.

00:01:03.060 I am first and foremost a believer in Christ Jesus.

00:01:07.580 I'm a wife, a mom, and then after all of that, I'm an entrepreneur.

00:01:12.700 I do fashion design.

00:01:14.300 I do business consulting.

00:01:15.340 I do content creation and production with my husband.

00:01:21.320 I do a lot.

00:01:22.700 Yeah.

00:01:23.500 Tell us a little bit about your story and becoming a fashion designer.

00:01:28.080 Sure.

00:01:29.100 So I started when I was 17, but I always knew that I wanted to design, like always.

00:01:33.940 Like I tell this joke that I was designing my mother's umbilical cord while I was in the womb.

00:01:39.160 Yeah.

00:01:39.480 It goes that far back.

00:01:40.940 Yeah.

00:01:41.360 That far back.

00:01:42.140 So it was like, I always knew that it's what I wanted to do.

00:01:45.780 So when I turned 17, I got $300 for my birthday and I bought a sewing machine.

00:01:51.160 And so I bought a sewing machine and just taught myself how to sew and I would make stuff to

00:01:57.140 where to parties and people would say, where did you get that?

00:02:00.240 And I'm like, well, I made it.

00:02:01.520 So they're like, well, make me one.

00:02:02.960 Yeah.

00:02:03.380 And then boom, I had a business.

00:02:04.660 Wow.

00:02:05.060 So, um, in 2006, um, I was in college and I'm just like, I'm just going to drop out and

00:02:12.060 do this fashion thing.

00:02:13.960 Um, so I had like an ex-boyfriend at the time and he's like, I'll open a store for you.

00:02:18.220 And I'm like, all right.

00:02:19.780 It was like kind of like more like a partnership thing.

00:02:21.680 So that was 2006.

00:02:23.940 I was like 21 running this store.

00:02:25.640 Didn't know what I was doing.

00:02:26.700 Yeah.

00:02:27.960 Um, from there, you know, just grew and grew and I'm like, okay, I really want to have a

00:02:33.560 brand, not just be like a local dressmaker.

00:02:36.960 And so grew from there, started dressing celebrities and then I had a brand.

00:02:43.000 Yeah.

00:02:43.640 Um, so 2018, um, I'm a mom, I'm married and I'm like, God, this business thing and these

00:02:53.100 kids, like this is too much.

00:02:54.880 It is not working how it's supposed to work.

00:02:56.840 We got to fix this cause I'm like running ragged.

00:03:00.020 What do I do?

00:03:00.980 Right.

00:03:01.220 And so I felt strongly led by God to focus on bridal.

00:03:08.000 Okay.

00:03:08.800 This is 2018.

00:03:09.920 You said?

00:03:10.420 2018.

00:03:11.160 Okay.

00:03:11.500 And so I'm like, okay.

00:03:12.540 And I just kept hearing it cause I'm like, God, I need to figure out how to do all of this.

00:03:16.720 And I kept hearing bridal, bridal, bridal.

00:03:21.060 So I'm like, okay, I think God wants me to focus on bridal.

00:03:25.720 So before then I was doing mainly like special occasion dresses.

00:03:30.860 And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to start making wedding gowns and promoting bridal.

00:03:37.280 And that's what I did.

00:03:38.480 And it worked.

00:03:40.300 Um, you know, the business started to do better.

00:03:42.980 It went through like a really rough season.

00:03:44.940 And then I was having a rough time balancing, you know, motherhood and being a wife and running a business.

00:03:51.620 Yeah.

00:03:51.740 So, you know, bridal, it just, it clicked.

00:03:56.380 And then 2019, you know, things are running and I'm making these wedding gowns.

00:04:04.220 And then I get an email.

00:04:07.920 And that email was a request for a wedding jumpsuit.

00:04:13.220 And that jumpsuit was for a same-sex wedding. 0.85

00:04:19.720 Um, so I was faced with the decision.

00:04:23.700 Mm-hmm.

00:04:24.440 Um, do I take the money and just turn the blind eye to what I know is against my belief as a Christian?

00:04:39.900 Mm-hmm.

00:04:40.600 Um, and not, and let me correct myself.

00:04:44.380 It's not just my belief as a Christian.

00:04:47.320 Mm-hmm.

00:04:47.980 It is a part of the Christian faith that marriage is between man and a woman.

00:04:56.840 So this is the way of Christ.

00:05:01.180 This is the word of God.

00:05:02.480 Um, and so do I just do business as usual and turn the blind eye to what is right?

00:05:11.360 And I know, I knew that I couldn't because I, I knew what it was for.

00:05:16.480 And at that point in my business, I was hands-on on every garment that was made.

00:05:23.200 Right?

00:05:24.460 Um, and so I would knowingly be creating a garment for what is against my faith, what is against God.

00:05:35.140 And so Jesus says, count the cost.

00:05:40.500 Right?

00:05:41.480 And so I counted the cost.

00:05:42.940 I'm sitting there, I'm just like, well, girl, you could take, you could just take this money and just, you know.

00:05:48.620 But I counted the cost in knowing that saying no, because that was going to be the decision, period.

00:05:58.900 In saying no, that that comes with backlash.

00:06:02.260 You're in New York.

00:06:04.000 The LGBTQ is powerful, though they're not more powerful than God.

00:06:09.900 Um, and you're going to face rejection.

00:06:12.880 You could possibly lose your business.

00:06:14.500 You know, you could possibly lose customers who believe that you're discriminating.

00:06:21.540 And I realized, and it's interesting because years up until that point, I was really focused a lot of times, like in my private study, on persecution.

00:06:35.960 And how, as Christians, we are to expect that.

00:06:38.820 But in America, you know, we haven't, we hadn't had to face that.

00:06:45.420 And so God was already preparing me, preparing my heart for that.

00:06:49.060 And so for me, facing what could be the backlash and knowing like, no, we're called to this.

00:06:57.880 Right?

00:06:59.060 So I sent them an email.

00:07:01.740 I responded.

00:07:02.460 I responded to their email, rather.

00:07:05.560 She was really asking about, she was really asking about like a payment plan for, you know, the garment.

00:07:11.940 It's a garment that I had on my site.

00:07:14.240 So I'm like, which let me clear that up.

00:07:19.640 Right?

00:07:19.900 Because people are just like, well, it's on your site.

00:07:22.500 You know, it's not custom.

00:07:23.580 No, it has to be made in her size.

00:07:27.020 That's custom.

00:07:28.100 Right?

00:07:28.560 At least for my business.

00:07:31.940 And so I responded.

00:07:33.980 I shared with them that, you know, I can't make this garment.

00:07:37.840 I shared with them why.

00:07:39.400 I shared my faith.

00:07:40.840 I also encouraged them to reconsider.

00:07:43.180 Now, some may say like, girl, you didn't have to go that far.

00:07:45.560 But I'm a Christian.

00:07:48.220 And I'm a minister of the gospel.

00:07:51.900 Right?

00:07:52.300 And so I just kept it on it.

00:07:57.040 And I said, look, this is what it is.

00:07:59.880 And I can't do it.

00:08:02.760 You know?

00:08:03.080 And I'm open to having conversations about, you know, my beliefs.

00:08:07.440 And yeah, that was it.

00:08:10.200 And here's your full response.

00:08:24.140 So they wanted to, as you said, inquire about a payment plan for a $1,500 jumpsuit for their

00:08:30.700 wedding.

00:08:31.580 And you said this.

00:08:33.400 Very kind response, but definitely to the point.

00:08:36.660 Hi, Tiffany.

00:08:37.260 Thank you for reaching out.

00:08:38.400 Well, I apologize for the late response.

00:08:39.980 Yes, we accept payments 50% upfront and the remaining balance upon completion.

00:08:43.780 However, I wouldn't be able to make a piece for a same-sex wedding.

00:08:47.040 It goes against my faith in Christ.

00:08:48.740 I believe Jesus died for our sins so that we would live for him according to his holy

00:08:52.500 word.

00:08:52.820 I know you both love each other and that this feels right, but I encourage you to both reconsider

00:08:57.200 and see what the Lord has to say and the wonderful things he has in store for you both if you trust

00:09:01.840 and obey him.

00:09:02.800 God bless and be with you both.

00:09:04.260 I'm available to talk and share more about Jesus if you'd like.

00:09:07.280 Feel free to call me.

00:09:08.400 Good for you.

00:09:09.360 I mean, you were like, I'm not just going to say no, but I'm going to share the gospel

00:09:13.460 because the word of God does not return void.

00:09:15.960 And you planted a seed.

00:09:17.440 I'm sure, though, that their response wasn't, yay, this is awesome.

00:09:23.360 Ooh, to be honest, let me just put it all out there, right?

00:09:28.840 Yeah.

00:09:29.400 To be honest, I think that the sort of law firm that they hired, you know, to come after me,

00:09:36.760 they seemed to be most angry that I shared the gospel, that I spoke the truth.

00:09:47.680 That seemed to be the biggest thorn in their side.

00:09:52.820 And I don't regret it because it's the word of God.

00:09:57.140 It's the word of God, like, that we need the word.

00:10:03.600 The word formed the earth, right?

00:10:06.000 God spoke and said, you know.

00:10:08.240 Let there be light.

00:10:09.080 Let there be light.

00:10:10.760 Let there be life.

00:10:12.520 So I don't regret it.

00:10:16.360 But, yeah, that seemed to be the thorn.

00:10:21.320 Yeah.

00:10:22.400 But.

00:10:23.060 So what was their response?

00:10:25.280 What happened right after this?

00:10:27.800 A few weeks later, I would say about two weeks or so after that, I'm like on Instagram

00:10:37.080 and I get these wild notifications and, you know, it was this hoopla, you know, media outlets

00:10:45.680 started reaching out to me for comment and I'm like, I don't know what to do.

00:10:49.040 So I got some legal advice and that was to not say anything.

00:10:55.360 Don't talk to the media.

00:10:56.480 Just not say anything.

00:10:58.080 So that's what I did.

00:10:59.140 Because they had posted screenshots of your email to Facebook.

00:11:02.700 Yeah.

00:11:02.980 Did they respond to your email directly?

00:11:05.140 They didn't.

00:11:05.580 No.

00:11:05.620 They didn't respond.

00:11:06.340 So they just posted the screenshots to Facebook and they basically said, look at this awful

00:11:11.140 bigot we're being discriminated against.

00:11:13.460 Yeah.

00:11:13.900 Oh, and they were nasty on Facebook.

00:11:15.980 It was a whole mess.

00:11:20.020 It was.

00:11:21.100 Yeah.

00:11:21.440 She said, the only thing, this is the, I guess the person's partner, Angel Lane, said, the

00:11:31.440 only thing I wanted was a beautiful dress or jumpsuit for my big day and encounter discrimination

00:11:36.700 from a woman of color and the process of doing so.

00:11:40.620 They seem to be even more shocked that a woman of color would have the stance that you do as

00:11:47.840 a Christian, which is interesting that they decided to point that out.

00:11:51.220 So that's the other thorn that because I'm black and because I'm a black woman that I

00:11:58.840 need to align with the LGBTQ and I'm insulted by that because the thought is that racism in

00:12:08.040 America and what the LGBTQ has experienced in America are the same and they are not. 1.00

00:12:18.220 They're not.

00:12:19.320 It's not a sin to be black. 0.96

00:12:21.220 It's not a sin to be black. 0.99

00:12:24.640 It is a sin to be gay, period. 1.00

00:12:28.760 According to the word of God, what black Americans have faced in this country is not ever to be 0.97

00:12:38.500 compared to what the LGBTQ think they have faced.

00:12:43.700 That's not discrimination.

00:12:45.700 When people like me stand up and say, look, this is wrong in the sight of God.

00:12:50.540 That's not to that's not hate, but that's actually love because we're telling you the truth.

00:12:56.620 And so to use because what they're what what they have been doing is piggybacking off of the struggle

00:13:03.880 of black Americans.

00:13:04.920 And this is something that's very near and dear to my heart.

00:13:08.140 What they've been doing is piggybacking off of the struggle of black Americans in this country to advance their agenda. 0.89

00:13:15.540 I'm not OK with that.

00:13:17.020 And so for them to point out that because I'm a black woman, because I'm a black woman, I'm a Christian first.

00:13:23.700 I'm Jesus first.

00:13:25.020 And because of that, if if if if being black means I have to side with this, I don't even how did this even come about?

00:13:35.080 Because the black America that I know of was rooted in Christ.

00:13:39.140 It was Christ.

00:13:42.280 It was belief and faith in Jesus Christ that got black Americans to where they are now.

00:13:48.180 You're talking about think about Booker T.

00:13:51.360 Washington up from slavery.

00:13:54.340 He didn't pull himself.

00:13:55.800 He didn't pull himself up by his own power.

00:13:59.720 That was through belief and faith in Jesus Christ.

00:14:03.380 How did how did black Americans come out of slavery and was able to buy land, start businesses? 0.98

00:14:11.920 That's the part of American history that they don't ever tell you.

00:14:15.060 And so for me, I'm insulted by that.

00:14:19.440 Yeah.

00:14:19.760 And I'll tell anybody plainly, like as a black, don't don't bring that up. 1.00

00:14:24.020 Yeah, don't don't come. 0.96

00:14:25.320 I'm not the one for that one.

00:14:26.680 Right.

00:14:27.200 I ain't the one because I'll tell you.

00:14:29.240 Yeah.

00:14:29.640 Christ first, period. 0.75

00:14:30.900 And if you want to kick me out, I'm take away my black card.

00:14:34.280 Have it.

00:14:34.960 Yeah, I'm good.

00:14:35.980 Christians totally do get duped by that because you're right. 1.00

00:14:39.120 They do piggyback off of the civil rights movement to say that our oppression, quote unquote, is the same thing as a black person's oppression. 0.74

00:14:48.600 We have basically parallel history to black America. 0.66

00:14:52.440 And if you are going to treat black people equally, then that means that you have to give us the same kind of treatment. 0.92

00:14:59.720 But you're right.

00:15:00.940 They don't they don't see, obviously, homosexuality or transgenderism as a sin. 0.79

00:15:05.260 They see it as their immutable identity in the same way that someone's ethnicity is.

00:15:09.920 And that's where they're wrong.

00:15:11.120 And that's where Christianity speaks in and say, you know, that's not what we're defined by.

00:15:15.920 That's not your identity.

00:15:17.140 That is a behavior that God actually condemns.

00:15:20.020 But the world being as deluded and deceived as they are can't see the difference.

00:15:26.420 And it is such an effective manipulation tactic that I see even Christians falling for because they want to love the oppressed. 0.99

00:15:35.660 They think that they have to accept and affirm sin.

00:15:39.980 And it's just not true.

00:15:41.580 You don't love speaks the truth, period.

00:15:44.740 Like, Jesus is his word.

00:15:47.380 So you're not preaching the gospel.

00:15:49.760 You're not carrying out your assignment as a Christian if you're denying the truth. 0.81

00:15:54.260 If you're telling people to accept Jesus Christ, right, to give their lives to Christ, to turn to Jesus, you have to turn from something.

00:16:03.860 So what are they turning from?

00:16:05.480 There's no dancing around the sin issue.

00:16:08.340 There's no walking away from that.

00:16:10.840 There's no avoiding that conversation when you're sharing Christ, right?

00:16:15.620 And so I'm just like, look, Christians have really, like, we got to get over this whole, like, oh, I don't want to be called a name.

00:16:24.580 I don't want them to call me.

00:16:26.960 Yeah.

00:16:27.400 Like, come on.

00:16:28.340 What would they call a Jesus?

00:16:29.680 Like, who do you think you are?

00:16:31.320 Right, right.

00:16:32.060 That's the flesh.

00:16:34.480 And this whole obsession with wanting to be seen as an intellectual, wanting to be seen as, like, oh, I don't want to be seen as a racist.

00:16:43.820 Because now if you speak against homosexuality, all of a sudden that's somehow racist.

00:16:49.420 It's all lumped in together. 1.00

00:16:51.300 And I'm like, look, the devil is a liar. 0.99

00:16:54.080 Confront the lie and stop being afraid of a name. 0.97

00:16:57.180 Yeah.

00:16:57.800 Because it's not, it's really driving this country to hell.

00:17:03.260 Yeah.

00:17:10.860 And you felt like making this jumpsuit would have been an affirmation and celebration of what God calls sin.

00:17:24.000 Absolutely.

00:17:25.180 Yeah.

00:17:25.600 By me, my making it is a cosign.

00:17:29.120 And I would challenge Christians who would be like, oh, you know, I would go to a gay wedding or, you know, I would have made the jumpsuit. 1.00

00:17:39.080 And I'm just like, okay, what if you're the only Christian? 0.92

00:17:43.460 What if you're the only Christian? 0.77

00:17:45.260 What if you're the only person who walks in truth, right? 0.83

00:17:50.940 That that person knows.

00:17:52.760 Yeah.

00:17:52.860 And you as the only person that walks in truth gives a cosign.

00:17:58.860 You're a representative of Christ and you give a cosign and you're the only Christian that they know or the only Christian they encounter. 0.82

00:18:08.940 What chance does that person have to hear the truth?

00:18:11.500 Because you don't want to offend, but you're okay with offending God.

00:18:17.920 Yeah.

00:18:19.180 Yeah.

00:18:19.860 So I'm just like, hmm.

00:18:21.280 I'm afraid that we just don't take sin seriously enough.

00:18:24.460 Like if we really believed what God's word says about that sin kills us, all of us, that it's an abomination beforehand, that it's offensive to him.

00:18:33.720 If we really cared about the holiness of God and the damage that sin causes someone, both physically and spiritually, I don't think that we would equivocate on this.

00:18:44.680 I don't think that we would be going to a ceremony to celebrate what God calls sin, what God calls iniquity.

00:18:51.780 If we really took him at his word and if we really knew the gravity of sin, I don't think that this would be hard.

00:19:00.980 But really what it comes down to is that a lot of us, even people who identify as Christians, don't really think sin is that big of a deal.

00:19:09.040 And that's where I think Satan comes in and has deceived us that sin just isn't that big of a deal.

00:19:15.800 Right.

00:19:16.640 Yeah.

00:19:16.900 And I think sometimes like we, it's interesting because like American Christianity, like we're big on this grace thing now, you know, grace, grace, grace.

00:19:26.680 And we're just like, and on the opposite side of that, I also see people who lean on grace.

00:19:32.920 They don't lean on it for themselves.

00:19:34.260 And what I mean by that is that I believe that there are some Christians who will not speak up on something like this, who are afraid to speak truth because of sin that that's in their lives.

00:19:45.760 That a lot of Christians are battling with sin in their lives.

00:19:49.860 You know, they haven't forgiven themselves or they haven't accepted the finished work of the cross and know that repent, repent, turn to God, lean on God like he'll forgive you.

00:20:01.200 But that's no reason to say, okay, well, because I have sin in my life or because I know what I did yesterday, because I know what I did last night.

00:20:09.080 I have no right to speak on that.

00:20:11.580 I have no right to speak truth.

00:20:13.680 And that's a lie.

00:20:15.580 So the enemy, he's working on all sides, right?

00:20:18.480 Like keeping some people in this place of guilt, in this place of, well, who am I to judge?

00:20:24.180 No, speak the truth and speak it in love, but speak the truth.

00:20:30.780 Love is not silent.

00:20:32.100 Yeah.

00:20:32.580 And it is grace that saves us and grace is important, but it's supposed to compel us to obey and compel us to live holy lives empowered by Christ, compel us to speak the truth.

00:20:44.440 And there is a way to speak the truth without being hypocritical, without being mean about it.

00:20:51.720 But speaking the truth isn't judgmental in and of itself.

00:20:56.240 It is simply doing what God has called us to do.

00:20:58.880 And we can do that with humility.

00:21:00.720 Saying that something is sin is not saying that I've never sinned.

00:21:04.480 It's just saying, hey, I love you so much.

00:21:06.380 And God says that sin is going to kill us.

00:21:08.300 I don't want you to be ruled by this sin anymore, which I got from your email to them.

00:21:12.640 That's, I mean, that's how it was communicated to me that like, hey, God loves you so much and he wants better for you.

00:21:19.080 Right?

00:21:19.560 Yeah.

00:21:20.320 But they didn't take that well.

00:21:22.420 So they posted on Facebook about this and then you started getting notifications.

00:21:27.200 So tell me a little bit more about that, about what you saw, what the response was and what was going through your mind.

00:21:36.400 Yeah, it was just, it was a whirlwind.

00:21:39.460 Like people were calling me, saying crazy things.

00:21:44.800 Like calling your business.

00:21:46.360 Yeah.

00:21:46.900 Calling you names.

00:21:47.860 Calling me names.

00:21:49.920 There were some calls of support though.

00:21:52.240 Emails.

00:21:54.060 There was a very racist call that I got.

00:21:56.560 And, and it really just exposes how some, I won't say all, within the LGBTQ, within the leftist movement, see black people as their tools.

00:22:11.560 And, and dare I say slaves, ideological slaves, because there was a man who called me and he said, I should have stayed on the phone a little longer.

00:22:24.200 He was like, um, how many N words?

00:22:28.640 He said the word.

00:22:29.860 How many N words?

00:22:32.420 And I was like, if I had pearls, I would have clutched them.

00:22:37.220 Like, how dare you?

00:22:38.620 Excuse me?

00:22:39.760 So I hung up the phone.

00:22:41.460 But what I got was that he was saying, how many N words or black people went through a struggle, went through a struggle that he aligns with the LGBTQ.

00:22:56.880 And he thinks that because of that, like we were saying a bit earlier, that I shouldn't have made a decision that I've made.

00:23:05.360 Yeah.

00:23:05.540 But in his, in his idea that, okay, LGBTQ struggle and black American struggle is the same, that, oh gosh, I almost lost my thought.

00:23:18.620 He was saying.

00:23:19.500 You should be on board and you should support it.

00:23:22.040 Right.

00:23:22.360 But in his racism, just, it showed itself.

00:23:26.540 He totally belittled you and objectified you.

00:23:29.000 And like you said, sees you as a tool to advance his own political agenda rather than as a human that has your own worldview and can exercise it.

00:23:37.800 Right.

00:23:38.200 Because I'm like, oh, so I'm, so now I'm the N word because I don't align with your belief.

00:23:46.080 Now I'm the N word.

00:23:47.120 Maybe I was always the N word to you. 0.68

00:23:49.120 And because I'm being a disobedient slave, I ain't nobody's slave except Christ.

00:23:56.580 Right.

00:23:57.720 You know, he lashed out.

00:23:59.400 It's like his demon manifested basically.

00:24:01.700 Yeah.

00:24:02.200 So what's going through your head?

00:24:03.860 I mean, I know that you're strong in your faith.

00:24:05.980 And even before that, as you said, God had been preparing for you, which I just love that you had been reading about persecution and you didn't even know God was getting you ready.

00:24:14.160 No.

00:24:14.700 Because scripture does say all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

00:24:21.280 It doesn't all look the same.

00:24:23.080 Right.

00:24:23.380 But we will all endure some kind of persecution for our faith.

00:24:27.460 And so it's come for you.

00:24:28.900 And I know that you had already counted the cost, but was there ever a moment during this backlash that you were like, what did I do?

00:24:35.040 I'll tell you the truth.

00:24:38.080 I didn't have, even with the calls and the harassment and everything, the what did I do part did not come until other Christians started saying, what were you thinking?

00:24:53.420 Why did you do that?

00:24:54.840 And like, oh, don't you know that the LGBTQ has power in America?

00:25:01.660 And I'm like, but who are you serving, though?

00:25:06.160 Like, what Bible are you reading?

00:25:07.740 Like, why would you even say that to me?

00:25:09.820 But that, it wasn't until I started getting those responses from Christians that made me question. 0.99

00:25:19.060 Because some of these people were people that, you know, I look up to, I highly regard, you know, and they're like, well, that was foolish. 0.98

00:25:27.880 That wasn't wise. 0.97

00:25:29.140 Yeah, I've been there.

00:25:30.440 That's hard.

00:25:31.120 That's, that is absolutely when it gets hard.

00:25:33.600 Yeah.

00:25:34.600 Because like, you expect it.

00:25:37.160 They gonna do what they gonna do.

00:25:38.760 The world is gonna do what it's gonna do because they're serving that master.

00:25:42.060 Right.

00:25:42.440 But for Christians, it took me, because this is 2019, right? 0.92

00:25:47.680 It took me a long time to get over that response from Christians and to just get to a place where I'm just like, look, this is what God has called me to.

00:26:08.040 Um, if you don't understand that, whatever, but, yeah, um, you know, it took me a while to get past that.

00:26:20.280 Honestly, it was hard.

00:26:21.900 That, that is the hardest part of just Christians who, and even if you don't agree.

00:26:29.460 Yeah.

00:26:29.900 Right.

00:26:30.600 Like, I'm your sister in Christ.

00:26:34.100 Why would you not still support me as your sister in Christ?

00:26:39.900 Like, who, who are you serving?

00:26:41.640 Yeah.

00:26:42.260 You know, I really, really think, honestly, a lot of the, the questioning that I got really came from a place of this, um, idolatry of security, of financial security.

00:26:57.920 Because a lot of the response of Christians questioning me was just like, why would you jeopardize the bag?

00:27:03.780 Why would you mess with your money like that?

00:27:05.520 Like, you know, like, oh, you're not afraid to lose your business.

00:27:07.960 No, I'm not.

00:27:09.380 I'm not.

00:27:10.820 So, and I'm just like, if, if, but if you weren't so obsessed, if you, if you didn't, if you understood Matthew 633, seek first the kingdom and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto thee.

00:27:23.140 You would first and foremost know that I'm good.

00:27:26.080 I will be good.

00:27:27.940 Right.

00:27:28.560 He'll take care of you.

00:27:29.520 He'll take care of me.

00:27:30.600 Period.

00:27:31.700 And so just this, it really for, it seemed to have come from this place of just like, don't, yeah, follow Jesus as long as it doesn't mess with your money.

00:27:43.580 As long as it doesn't mess with your security.

00:27:45.840 As long as it doesn't mess with your safety.

00:27:48.060 Yeah.

00:27:48.440 As long as it doesn't get hard.

00:27:49.800 As long as it doesn't get hard.

00:27:51.640 And I'm like, look, y'all better wake up because this is not what this country is anymore.

00:27:57.280 Yeah.

00:27:57.540 So you were in New York.

00:28:10.660 These women were not in New York. 0.92

00:28:11.980 They were in, they were in Missouri, right?

00:28:14.400 Right.

00:28:14.880 And yet they said, we're going to file legal action.

00:28:18.600 We're going to pursue legal action against you.

00:28:20.860 What did that look like?

00:28:21.900 A whole mess because the human rights division in New York.

00:28:33.300 Can I say this?

00:28:34.900 Jesus.

00:28:36.120 I say it.

00:28:37.260 The human rights division in New York.

00:28:43.100 Is for the oppressed.

00:28:45.360 So they say.

00:28:46.760 Quote unquote.

00:28:47.940 For the oppressed is to protect the oppressed. 0.56

00:28:51.900 I don't agree with that.

00:28:53.100 I think that's a cover.

00:28:56.460 Because right out, it just seemed like, no, this is not about your rights.

00:29:01.560 This is about a protected class.

00:29:03.920 They consider the LGBTQ.

00:29:06.360 This is in their writings as a protected class.

00:29:11.360 That's their agenda.

00:29:13.140 That's what the human rights division is there for to protect their protected class. 0.99

00:29:18.920 So it was just this process, you know, going with the, going through the court system and

00:29:27.700 just a mess.

00:29:30.060 Yeah.

00:29:30.360 And then they decided like, I should pay the state $20,000.

00:29:35.120 Yeah.

00:29:35.500 And pay the couple $5,000.

00:29:37.800 Yeah.

00:29:38.060 Okay.

00:29:38.700 So the summary, according to the New York Division of Human Rights, the court order says

00:29:43.600 in September, 2023, the commissioner of the New York State Division of Human Rights

00:29:47.820 ordered Dominique Galbraith to pay $25,000 for discrimination by refusing to make the garment.

00:29:54.540 $20,000 was to be paid for civil fines and penalties and $5,000 in emotional distress damages.

00:30:04.600 So their opinion says the conduct is as much unlawful as it would be for the respondent

00:30:10.180 to refuse to produce the clothing for a wedding between two people of different races or ethnicity.

00:30:14.760 So again, you've got them conflating those two, those two things.

00:30:19.460 So what has happened since then?

00:30:21.840 Did you pay the $25,000?

00:30:23.820 What does that look like?

00:30:29.460 To be very honest, no, I haven't paid them.

00:30:35.540 I am trying my very best.

00:30:38.920 I feel like I'm swinging at a giant.

00:30:41.100 Yeah.

00:30:41.840 But call me David.

00:30:43.600 Yeah.

00:30:44.060 Yeah.

00:30:46.160 But I'm trying my very best to fight back.

00:30:49.460 That requires a ton of money.

00:30:55.700 That, yeah, I'm just like, you know, I believe that I believe by the spirit of God that it's

00:31:02.880 not over.

00:31:05.060 But I need help.

00:31:07.220 You know, I do have a fundraiser, but it's going to it requires a lot of money.

00:31:13.000 I need a lawyer.

00:31:13.960 I don't have a lawyer because that requires money. 0.95

00:31:16.660 But business has been terrible, like terribly slow, unlike uncommonly slow, just ridiculous.

00:31:27.520 So I've been through it.

00:31:29.040 Yeah.

00:31:29.500 But by the grace of God, I'm not backing down.

00:31:33.820 Yeah.

00:31:34.340 And so, yeah.

00:31:35.540 So.

00:31:35.760 So somehow you're fighting against this and you don't have legal representation yet.

00:31:40.620 No.

00:31:41.040 Have you reached out to like Alliance Defending Freedom or?

00:31:44.020 I have.

00:31:44.480 Okay.

00:31:45.280 Um, I have.

00:31:47.140 They were helping me at first.

00:31:48.660 Yeah.

00:31:48.800 And then I don't know what happened.

00:31:51.920 Yeah.

00:31:52.660 Well, I'm sure that God has a plan and.

00:31:55.180 Yeah.

00:31:55.880 We'll have the perfect entity to represent you and to help you.

00:32:00.820 So what, what are you thinking about all of this now?

00:32:05.980 Um, I've been dwelling on this scripture for a past, the past few days is in Zachariah chapter four.

00:32:16.940 And it says, um, who are you great mountain before Zerubbabel?

00:32:23.700 Well, you will become a plane or another, or another translation says you will become leveled ground before Zerubbabel, you will become leveled ground.

00:32:35.120 That's how I see this situation as Zerubbabel was facing great challenges from the government in building the temple.

00:32:44.480 And God said to him, not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord, who are you great mountain before Zerubbabel, you will become leveled ground.

00:33:00.520 So like Zerubbabel, he didn't know how this thing was going to get done, how this situation was going to change.

00:33:07.840 And so that's how I feel.

00:33:11.180 I'm like, there's this great mountain in front of me, this great opposition.

00:33:17.520 And before Zerubbabel or before Dominique Galbraith, this mountain is going to become leveled ground.

00:33:27.040 Period.

00:33:28.800 Yeah.

00:33:29.980 I hope and pray that that is true.

00:33:32.580 And God is already using your testimony and your courage at the very least to help encourage other believers who are facing the same obstacles.

00:33:42.920 It reminds me of a lot of cases.

00:33:44.820 It reminds me of Jack Phillips and the Masterpiece Cake Shop case.

00:33:49.160 It also reminds me of 303 Creative, Lori Smith, the website designer who didn't want to design a website for a same-sex couple getting married.

00:33:59.000 And, of course, SCOTUS ruled in her favor and said, look, the First Amendment prohibits the state of Colorado, where she was, from forcing a website designer to create expressive designs, speaking messages with which the designer disagrees.

00:34:12.460 Now, I don't know the ins and outs of the comparisons to both your case and Lori Smith's, or between them, rather, but it would seem to me the same issue, that it should be your First Amendment right as an artist to only create designs that express a message that you align with.

00:34:34.280 And in this case, if you are creating a wedding garment for someone, you're not actually discriminating against them as a person.

00:34:43.880 You are discriminating.

00:34:45.360 You are—I won't even use the word discriminating, although I guess you could with a certain definition.

00:34:51.640 You are saying, I cannot affirm this union.

00:34:54.440 It's actually an act that you are disagreeing with.

00:34:58.260 It's not even just the person.

00:34:59.960 It is what they are doing that you are saying, look, this garment represents the affirmation and celebration of an action that I disagree with.

00:35:09.860 It's not just the individual because, I mean, you've made garments, I'm sure, for individuals that you don't agree with, that probably committed sins at some point that you don't like.

00:35:20.240 But that's different than a wedding garment.

00:35:22.900 It's the same thing with Jackson.

00:35:23.760 People bring that up.

00:35:25.020 Yeah, go ahead.

00:35:25.580 People bring that up.

00:35:26.160 Like, I've designed for Lizzo.

00:35:28.740 Yeah.

00:35:29.040 And they're like, well, and Lil' Kim and Nicki Minaj.

00:35:31.780 And they're like, well, how can you design for them?

00:35:33.620 And I'm just like, this is different.

00:35:36.340 This is very different.

00:35:37.800 And furthermore, if a lesbian asks me to make them a dress for their birthday, that's not an issue. 1.00

00:35:44.260 Right.

00:35:45.160 You want a dress for your party, your 60th reunion, whatever.

00:35:49.280 That's not an issue.

00:35:50.360 Yeah.

00:35:51.060 But for a wedding, I'm not doing that.

00:35:53.340 Yeah.

00:35:54.260 It's different.

00:35:55.000 And I said Jack Smith earlier.

00:35:56.240 I meant to say Jack Phillips.

00:35:57.340 But he said the same thing.

00:35:59.380 He said, you know, he's made cakes for people that he disagrees with.

00:36:03.600 But he's not going to make a cake celebrating a wedding or a gender transition.

00:36:09.600 He's had people ask him to do that.

00:36:10.800 He doesn't even make Halloween cakes because he disagrees with that, which is his right.

00:36:15.600 It should be his right.

00:36:16.760 Right.

00:36:16.920 Whether you agree with it or not.

00:36:18.980 And I see this as very much the same thing.

00:36:21.180 And so I hope and believe that there is precedent for you to stand on and that you're able to defend your rights and the rights of other artists.

00:36:30.480 God going to do something.

00:36:31.440 I don't know how he's going to do it, but he's going to do something.

00:36:34.880 So, yeah.

00:36:36.220 It's going to work out.

00:36:37.480 Yeah.

00:36:37.760 The Israelites also didn't know how he was going to allow them to pass through the Red Sea.

00:36:43.360 They probably didn't have it in their minds that he was going to split it open.

00:36:48.160 Right.

00:36:48.920 Right.

00:36:49.500 And so there's, I mean, there's so many things that we just can't know, but we can trust in his faithfulness, even if we don't know exactly what it's going to look like.

00:36:57.100 I know that this is like majorly backtracking, but I'm interested in how you became a Christian.

00:37:15.260 Oh, let's see.

00:37:17.300 Okay.

00:37:17.760 So when I was like a teenager, like, I don't know why I wasn't raised in a church.

00:37:23.260 Um, but I just always like, from the time I was like a teenager, like 16, 17, I'm like, one day I'm going to give my life to Christ.

00:37:32.200 I don't know where that thought came from.

00:37:34.040 I mean, it had to come from God, but that was just my, you know, I had it in my head that one day I'm going to have to make this decision.

00:37:41.200 And so, you know, young, partying, living life and, um, around the age of like 20, like, um, my mother, you know, I was, my mother, she was a single parent, raised four girls, um, raised actually six, uh, more than that.

00:38:01.980 Right.

00:38:02.260 But she just raised, she gave birth to four children and just adopted a whole bunch of other ones. 1.00

00:38:07.820 Right.

00:38:08.120 So, um, we were going through it and she's like, we're all going to church on Sunday.

00:38:12.980 That's it.

00:38:13.800 So I was like, Oh wow, that sounds like a really good idea.

00:38:16.360 I was so excited.

00:38:17.380 Again, we weren't raised in church.

00:38:19.020 Yeah.

00:38:19.780 Um, so we went and I just kept going and then I was the only one that kept going.

00:38:25.680 Um, and then in, I would say 2009, I was in this dumb relationship and I was like, if this don't work out, I'm gonna go give my life to Christ.

00:38:38.320 It didn't work out.

00:38:39.420 Of course it didn't.

00:38:40.680 So, um, I, I was going to church, but I wasn't saved, but I was like going to church.

00:38:46.880 And then I made a decision in 2009 to follow Jesus and been following him ever since.

00:38:56.340 Yeah.

00:38:56.780 Wow.

00:38:57.320 That's awesome.

00:38:58.080 I love that you became a Christian even as an adult and you just felt that pull towards church without having that background.

00:39:07.720 That's a pretty unique story actually, which I love.

00:39:10.720 I always felt like it was kind of like a boring, like you just, but yeah, it is kind of different.

00:39:18.460 Yeah.

00:39:18.800 No, I love that.

00:39:19.900 And tell me about your jacket.

00:39:22.120 Oh, so I am like very pro-life.

00:39:25.340 Yeah.

00:39:25.540 It wasn't always like that.

00:39:26.860 In 2019, um, when, um, New York passed the late term abortion bill.

00:39:34.960 Yeah.

00:39:35.540 Something, something snapped.

00:39:37.640 Yeah.

00:39:38.060 In my head.

00:39:39.100 Me too.

00:39:39.840 Really?

00:39:40.440 Yeah.

00:39:40.820 It was that, it was that exact thing.

00:39:42.900 Me too.

00:39:43.520 Wow.

00:39:43.880 So I saw it and I said, I don't mean to make this political, but it is what it is.

00:39:50.040 I said, I am never voting for another Democrat again.

00:39:54.600 And I was a Democrat before.

00:39:56.700 Well, I think I registered, no, I registered as a Republican as a, as like a joke or to just

00:40:01.840 kind of contrary, but I was definitely like idea, ideologically wise, like a Democrat and

00:40:08.000 I voted for Obama and all that.

00:40:09.320 But at that point, something snapped.

00:40:11.920 I was like, Oh, this is wicked.

00:40:14.200 Yeah.

00:40:14.940 Never.

00:40:15.740 Yeah.

00:40:16.140 You know?

00:40:16.700 And so from there, like God just really started to change my heart.

00:40:21.500 Cause before that I was indifferent when it came to abortion, but God started to change

00:40:25.960 my heart with that particular bill.

00:40:29.520 And it started to make me view, like do my, do more research about politics and get a deeper

00:40:35.060 understanding about the abortion issue, about politics.

00:40:38.900 Um, I started to study, um, what is it called?

00:40:43.600 Goodness, help me Jesus.

00:40:45.540 Um, eugenics. 0.51

00:40:50.380 I started to study eugenics and, you know, God just put it on my heart to speak, to come

00:40:57.820 out in, um, against abortion and to come out boldly as being pro-life.

00:41:04.280 Um, and I believe it's something significant because I come from New York, I'm from the

00:41:09.940 Bronx.

00:41:10.680 Okay.

00:41:11.600 Um, and I believe it was something that was important for a black woman, especially with 0.58

00:41:17.040 the rate of abortion that exists within my community to say that abortion is wrong.

00:41:22.280 You know, um, it's, it's not of God, like whatever they're, they're telling you, they're not,

00:41:28.660 they're telling you that it's about women's choice. 1.00

00:41:30.860 They're not telling you how much money they make by getting you to abort your child.

00:41:34.880 They're not telling you about the root of abortion in America, which is eugenics. 0.55

00:41:39.820 The fact that they're really trying to wipe us off of this earth, period, you know?

00:41:44.800 So, um, I'm unapologetically pro-life.

00:41:48.580 This is, um, so brief story.

00:41:51.940 So I had a t-shirt, I'm like, I'm going to wear a pro-life t-shirt on the podcast.

00:41:56.520 And so I had the t-shirt like made yesterday, um, but it was too big.

00:42:00.860 Oh, okay.

00:42:01.460 It was a whole disaster.

00:42:02.600 So I'm like, all right, I'm going to use it as a patch and put it on this jacket, remix

00:42:08.480 this jacket.

00:42:09.540 So this is my child, Joshua, when he was in the womb.

00:42:14.560 I love that.

00:42:15.880 Yeah.

00:42:16.380 So sweet.

00:42:17.060 And it says life for those listening, it says life with an arrow and it's the sonogram

00:42:21.480 picture, which is just so sweet.

00:42:23.260 I love that.

00:42:24.060 I mean, I hadn't ever voted a Democrat, but I do remember when that happened in 2019, when

00:42:30.060 they signed that bill into law that basically said that you can get an abortion in the state 0.82

00:42:36.220 of New York through all nine months for virtually any reason, as long as you said, well, my mental

00:42:41.920 health is affected roughly by being pregnant.

00:42:44.840 And that's a justification in the state of New York to get an abortion at nine months 1.00

00:42:48.840 pregnant.

00:42:49.420 People can tell me that never happens.

00:42:51.800 Those late term abortions happen at least $10,000, $10,000, $10,000 times, um, a year. 0.71

00:42:58.260 And we don't even have the full reporting on it because most states don't even report.

00:43:01.880 It's happening thousands and thousands of times.

00:43:04.580 One time is one time too many.

00:43:07.800 And in the state of New York, they didn't just legalize it and say, oh, you know, it's

00:43:11.700 a necessary evil.

00:43:12.680 They lit up the buildings pink.

00:43:14.380 You had all these women, these activists, Planned Parenthood on the floor when the bill 1.00

00:43:19.800 passed before it was signed into law by Cuomo cheering it on.

00:43:23.760 And I just remember, like, I just remember this feeling of oppressive darkness watching

00:43:30.260 that.

00:43:31.300 You know, there's a lot of evil things that happen in politics, but I felt like you did,

00:43:35.180 which just tells me it's the Holy Spirit speaking to believers in all different places

00:43:39.140 saying, what you're watching is satanic.

00:43:43.020 What you're watching is God's mercy being removed in this way from this place.

00:43:51.080 And I just remember crying that night thinking, I can't even believe that this is a debate

00:43:56.840 that we're discussing whether or not it's okay to kill an innocent child.

00:44:02.800 Yeah.

00:44:03.060 I mean, we've just fallen so far, which means as you're a testament of, it's getting less

00:44:08.880 and less convenient and comfortable to be a Christian.

00:44:11.620 Right.

00:44:11.940 So Christians better count the cost. 1.00

00:44:14.360 I mean, we see what's coming.

00:44:16.200 Yeah.

00:44:16.460 I don't think everybody sees.

00:44:20.880 That's the crazy part, especially where I am in New York.

00:44:24.640 Like, if you drowning yourself in CNN and ABC News, like I know a lot.

00:44:34.480 A lot of people do.

00:44:35.780 Yeah.

00:44:35.980 A lot of, I don't know if everybody's seeing it.

00:44:40.060 Yeah.

00:44:40.340 And it's because they're getting a different narrative.

00:44:43.280 Right.

00:44:43.640 And I mean, the mainstream media, they're the prophets of Baal, period.

00:44:49.520 They're the prophets of Baal.

00:44:51.040 And so we're, I believe we're at a moment.

00:44:56.920 Who are you going to serve?

00:44:59.680 Choose this day whom you're going to serve.

00:45:04.360 Right?

00:45:05.060 The prophets of Baal?

00:45:06.480 Or are you going to serve the true and living God?

00:45:08.680 Right?

00:45:10.120 And so that's where I believe we're at, you know, and Christians really, one, wake up.

00:45:18.240 Two, like, I feel like a lot of us, a lot of Christians know better, but because of the culture, like we've become so sucked into the culture.

00:45:28.740 Just like in Elijah, prophet Elijah's day, that you knew better.

00:45:33.300 The Israelites knew better, but because their leader, the nation's leader, right?

00:45:40.740 He was married to Jezebel. 0.83

00:45:42.740 Jezebel, she introduced all her wickedness and her way. 1.00

00:45:46.620 They shifted a culture that was a culture that was Christ-centric into a culture of evil, of wickedness. 0.88

00:45:55.520 And so you had the Israelites living in this duality, thinking that they can serve both gods.

00:46:02.520 You go to the temple, temple of God, and the temple of Baal. 0.92

00:46:05.660 Pick one.

00:46:07.060 And that's where we are.

00:46:08.260 And so my message to Christians is pick one. 0.98

00:46:11.160 You don't have to live for the culture.

00:46:13.320 Like, for what?

00:46:14.960 You can't serve God and money.

00:46:16.540 That's explicitly what the Bible says.

00:46:19.040 Can't serve two gods.

00:46:20.100 And that's what they was trying to get me to do.

00:46:22.060 Like, oh, Dominique, your business, it is well with my soul.

00:46:26.580 It's going to be fine.

00:46:27.780 Praise God.

00:46:28.500 Praise God.

00:46:28.980 Well, thank you so much for your testimony and for having the courage to share it.

00:46:32.640 Because we like to say courage is contagious.

00:46:35.680 Courage begets courage.

00:46:37.640 And so when people hear this testimony of courage, it's just a reminder to them that, oh, the same power of Christ that made her bold makes me bold, too.

00:46:46.200 Amen.

00:46:46.400 And that is the spirit that God has given us, not one of fear, but of power and of self-control.

00:46:51.580 Yeah.

00:46:52.040 And Jesus wins in the end.

00:46:54.180 Period.

00:46:54.620 That's where our confidence comes from.

00:46:56.220 Period.

00:46:57.220 Period.

00:46:57.820 Amen.

00:46:58.420 So thank you so much, Dominique.

00:46:59.820 Is there any way that people can support you, find you?

00:47:03.300 How can they do that?

00:47:04.380 Yes.

00:47:05.180 My website, it's, oh, gosh, I have like several websites.

00:47:09.760 That's okay.

00:47:10.760 Let's see if I have it.

00:47:12.740 Thebplife.net.

00:47:13.820 Thebplife.net.

00:47:16.480 Okay.

00:47:16.840 We can put the link in the description of this episode so people can just click on it.

00:47:21.460 Awesome.

00:47:21.860 Okay.

00:47:22.220 Awesome.

00:47:22.640 Thank you so much, Dominique.

00:47:23.840 I really appreciate you coming on.

00:47:25.240 Thank you for having me.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 13, 2024

Ep 1001 ｜ Christian Bridal Designer vs. LGBTQ Mafia ｜ Guest： Dominique Galbraith

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