Ep 1011 ｜ Colton Underwood’s “Daddyhood” Glorifies Motherlessness & Baby-Buying
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Colton Underwood, a former bachelor, is welcoming a child with his partner via surrogacy. And the details of this journey that he has revealed are insane. We ve got all of this and more on today s episode of Relatable.
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Colton Underwood, a former bachelor, is welcoming a child with his partner via surrogacy.
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And my, oh my, the details of this journey that he has revealed are insane.
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We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
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Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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Okay, we've got the most controversial things to talk about today.
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Before we get into it, just a few announcements for you guys.
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The Share the Arrows event coming up on September 28th.
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We are coming together and we are going to be so edified and encouraged
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and empowered by some of the best and wisest and boldest Christian women teachers in the world.
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We've got music by Grammy Award winning artist Francesca Battistelli.
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This is going to be a time for you not only to sit under amazing teaching and encouragement,
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So often we feel like we're alone, like we're the only ones navigating the storm of this culture war,
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You can feel like you have no community at all.
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And when we feel like we're alone, we are tempted to feel like we are wrong,
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to feel like we are insane, to feel like it's just not worth pushing back against the darkness
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in our own lives, in our communities, with our families.
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And so this event is going to be a beautiful and refreshing reminder of that.
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You are going to be with thousands of Christian women who have the same values,
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the same concerns, the same hopes and dreams and aim of pursuing Jesus as you do.
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We've gotten lots of questions about whether it's going to be available for a live stream,
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whether we are going to be going to different cities in the future.
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And we just don't know the answers to those things yet.
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I'm not trying to hold down on you, but this is our first event.
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So we are still figuring out what works and what's going to work.
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We didn't even know what the response would be.
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We have already far surpassed the goal that I wanted to reach ultimately
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in the number of ticket sales and the number of attendees.
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And so now that we see, wow, this is something that is so wanted and so needed,
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we are figuring out ways to accommodate this desire that you guys have to come together.
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But all that to say, this is the best guarantee that you have of attending this event is attending
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in person and also attending this inaugural event in Dallas because we just don't know
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what the future holds and what our technical capabilities are.
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So if you go to sharethearrows.com, you can see all of the ticket options there.
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There are going to be a lot of individuals there by themselves.
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I promise you, like this is when I say that the relatable audience is the best audience
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I am not exaggerating every sponsor that I have, every guest that I have, every person
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that has interacted with the relatable audience always comes to me and says, you've got the
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You've got the most generous audience, the most charitable, the most gracious, the kindest,
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I know that's true because every time we post a link to donate items to a pregnancy center,
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for example, you guys show up and you are so incredibly charitable with the time, the resources
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And so all that to say, if you come to this event by yourself, you are going to find fast
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You are going to find people who will welcome you, who will link arms with you, who will
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But also bring your family, bring your sisters, bring your friends, bring your mom, bring all
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the related gals, potential related gals in your life.
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Bring your BSF group, Bible study, all that good stuff, because it's going to be amazing.
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And I really don't want anyone to miss out on this, especially in light of election season.
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Every month we get closer to the election, we are going to feel like, oh my gosh, I just
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need to get with my people and make sure that I'm grounded and that we're all on the same
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So that's what this is going to be, getting all on the same page, a call to arms, and just
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a reminder of what is important and just ensuring that we are solidified in what is
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And there are also options on the website for meet and greet and breakfast and dinner and
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And so if you want to meet me, that's the best way to do that.
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Sign up for one of those options, sharethearrows.com.
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Just a couple other quick things before we get into all of this.
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He was actually supposed to, we were supposed to record an interview today.
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You guys love him so much, independent from this show, but as a guest on the show and then
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also just who he is as an evangelist, as a teacher of the word, as an author.
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And, but unfortunately his flight got delayed, but we are going to be at the same event this
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Um, it is, uh, it's a, we're having a live conversation in Texas.
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You can go to, I think it's Vodibakam.org, but we're going to put the link in the description.
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So link in the description of this episode for tickets.
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And so, uh, he and I will be talking about all of the important things.
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And also, I just want to tell you about his book.
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It's not like being black, how sexual activists hijacked the civil rights movement.
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He addresses the dangerous alliance between gender ideology and the civil rights movement
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and shares why this is the latest threat to the church from social justice warriors.
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Yes, there is no greater message messenger for this message than Vodibakam that comes out
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So make sure that you go out and pre-order that right now.
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Last thing before we get into all of it, please, if you love this podcast, if it's meant anything
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Let's get into this crazy story that you guys have been asking me to talk about for so
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And I've been avoiding talking about it because I don't really want to give this whole thing
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airtime, but we have to, it, it just combines so many things that we discuss so often on this
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And that is, um, Colton Underwood of the bachelor of fame, starting a podcast called daddyhood
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to chronicle his journey with his quote unquote husband to obtaining a child through egg selling
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And this is just another example of the glorification of commodifying children and
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And this is the person who also professes Christianity.
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And so here is, uh, just a little background about who he is before we get into some of the
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details of this, what I think is a very disturbing journey.
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And before we talk about why this all matters in so many different ways, uh, Colton Underwood,
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He is 32 years old and his spouse, Jordan Brown, uh, is 38.
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They are expecting their first baby, a boy via surrogate in early, uh, in early October.
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Now to rewind a little bit, you might remember Colton Underwood from the bachelor.
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I watched a couple episodes of the golden bachelor, which I thought was interesting, but I have
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not watched the bachelor since I think Juan Pablo's season and maybe like 2011.
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So I stopped watching it, which is good because it's pretty trash television anyway.
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So he was on the bachelor though, a few years ago, and then in 2021, he kind of shocked the
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And I know even saying that now as a gay man, people can be like, how is that even possible?
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And it's like, I don't think unless you understand, I used to wake up in the morning and pray for
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I used to pray for him to change me and I can now wake up and pray to God and I can
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actually have faith and I can go into church and be present.
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You know, there's so much about that, that just makes me sad.
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I don't know the true feelings and temptations that he has struggled with his whole life,
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but it saddens me that he feels as many professing Christians, professing Christians feel that
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embracing sin and embracing our temptations is a form of liberation when the Bible actually
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And I think of 1 Corinthians 6, 11, and actually if we back up a little bit before that, starting
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in, waiting for it to load, starting in verse 9, or do you not know that the unrighteous will
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Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
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nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom
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Here's the hope for every single one of us, not just those who practiced or struggled with
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You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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So the liberation actually comes in realizing that being a slave to our flesh and our sinful
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sexual desires, that that is part of the old self.
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But now we are new creations because of being made alive in Christ by grace through faith,
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as Ephesians 2 says, that we can reject and we can leave and we can let go of and repent
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Does that mean we'll never have temptations again?
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No, of course it doesn't mean those things, but it means that we are not walking in the
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But the grace and the love of Christ motivates us to walk in a way that is holy.
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That is not just true of people who have homosexual desires.
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That is true of people who have all sinful desires, which is all of us.
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We are all called by the power of the Holy Spirit to walk in repentance.
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Not just suppressing our conviction and pretending like you can wed Christianity with unrepentant
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sin, but repenting of that sin and walking with Christ taking up our cross and following
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him, Rosaria Butterfield, Christopher Yuan, Beckett Cook, all people whose testimonies
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of leaving homosexuality for the gospel and for Christ are so empowering, so beautiful.
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So if you don't want to take it from me, someone who is not in this same position, go read their
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books, listen to their testimonies, see what Christ has done in their life, specifically when
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it comes to the homosexual desire and homosexual temptation.
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He's also had some legal issues with some very serious allegations of behavior, alleged
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behavior with his past girlfriends, some really disturbing stuff.
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We've actually already talked about that on this show, so you can go research that for
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So that's not completely relevant to the conversation that we're having today about just how his
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confusion and deception about his identity is now having an impact on helpless children.
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And of course, that's always what happens when we normalize and celebrate and legalize sin.
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This is the online news version of the Today Show.
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It says, former bachelor Colton Underwood has been pursuing daddyhood, which happens to be
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the name of his podcast, for more than two years.
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Brown, announced on Instagram that they will be welcoming a baby boy in the fall.
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The ex-NFL player captioned a photo carousel featuring an ultrasound image.
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He also posted a video to share his joy about the good news.
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And if you are not watching on YouTube, it's these men's hands holding this ultrasound image
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Becoming a father, the Today Show says, has always been a goal of mine, Underwood said
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in a backstage interview when he visited Today earlier this year.
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It's been something that I've always wanted to accomplish, and I never thought it was possible
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Underwood was told early on that his active sperm count was low.
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So he worked with doctors to determine a plan of action.
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He needed to change his lifestyle, his sperm count bounced back, he said.
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And so then they were able to find an egg seller.
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The reason, again, I don't say egg donor is because it's only called egg donor because of
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It's not actually legal to sell human tissue in the United States.
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And so egg donors say that they are being paid for their time and their effort, not
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And so when people say, oh, surrogates, egg donors, they're so altruistic.
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No, they're getting paid very often tens of thousands of dollars to sell part of their
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Underwood told Men's Health, we want somebody deep and cool for the egg seller.
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So give us the basics and we can show this kid love.
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I'm not sure that you actually believe in nature because you are denying that a child
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In the couple's first conversation with an egg donor, this is the language they use.
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They met virtually and Brown and Underwood didn't use video or their real names.
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Underwood shared an elevator with his egg donor.
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He was heading to a routine physical and she was there for testing prior to her egg
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They also mentioned that it was kind of like using a dating app, trying to find the right
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egg donor and trying to find the right surrogate.
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We've seen several stories of men like Shane Dawson, that YouTuber, for example, saying that
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they look through catalogs, you look through catalogs, you find the person who you think
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is prettiest and who has the best genetic makeup in your opinion and maybe who has an
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Ivy League degree and you say, yes, I want that to be the mother of my child.
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They use language like egg donor because it's less intimate and you're just denying the biological
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So they literally go through catalogs of women, not that different than prostitution, and they
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And they do a similar thing when they are picking the surrogate.
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They have spent $350,000 on their fertility team.
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So that's the surrogate, the egg seller, also the medical team that had to do all of this.
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Of course, there's IVF that is involved in this process.
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Well, there's the egg retrieval first from the so-called egg donor.
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And then there's the IVF process where they are using the sperm from these two men and
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they are mixing it together with the eggs that were retrieved.
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They're creating embryos out of that genetic material.
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And then they are implanting the embryo that is created, that is selected into a different
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And she has to take hormones herself to prepare her body for this foreign entity that is going
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That's very dangerous for the embryo, by the way.
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It can also be very dangerous health-wise for the surrogate because this is a very unnatural
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The woman's body can reject this little embryo.
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As long as the parents want a child, that's all ethically fine.
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And if all goes well, quote unquote, this woman becomes pregnant and the baby grows.
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And we'll talk a little bit more about what happens from there.
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But first, I want to talk more about their specific process and what happened with the
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This just goes to show how little the mainstream knows about the surrogacy process.
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It says Underwood and Brown divided their sperm between the surrogate's 22 eggs.
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Why do they have to be legally separate so that neither woman can claim motherhood?
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So that neither woman can say that they are bonded to this child.
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Even the law recognizes that there is this strong, fierce biological bond between the mom
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And that could cause all kinds of problems when that child is then taken away.
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And so the surrogate has no genetic claim to this child.
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The egg seller doesn't care because she doesn't even know who these people are.
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And so it just makes it easier for everyone except for the baby, who will never know his
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biological mom and also is immediately ripped away from the only body, the only woman, the
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only home he has ever known immediately at birth.
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Again, treating a child much worse than we treat puppies and kittens in the United States,
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who legally we have to keep with their mother for 6 to 12 weeks after birth.
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But for human babies, we say, no, you don't get that skin-to-skin bonding with the heartbeat,
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the warmth, the smell, the feel of the woman that you know.
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You don't get the milk that you instinctively are longing for.
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You don't get that experience right after birth that regulates their temperature,
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that regulates the baby's heart rate, that regulates the breathing, that emotional physiological
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attachment that is so necessary for the health and the safety of babies at birth.
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No, surrogate baby, you don't get that because your two gay dads wanted to have a child in
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So this baby gets robbed of all of those things that we are told, those of us who are biological
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moms, we are told that that skin-to-skin, that that bonding is so important after birth and
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the entire medical team will bend over backwards to make sure that that baby is placed on the
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mom's chest immediately after the C-section or immediately after the biological or the vaginal
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birth because everyone knows how important that is.
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And again, how is this different than babies who are put up for adoption who also don't
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But surrogacy creates a broken situation from the get-go, from the point of conception.
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Then adoption tries to redeem that broken situation.
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And then surrogacy creates the broken situation from the point of conception.
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You are creating a life to purposely rob that child in this kind of homosexual case of a mother
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or a father in different ways if you're talking about sperm donation.
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Underwood and Brown divided their sperm between the egg cellars 22 eggs.
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Again, I think this just goes to show that this author at the Today Show doesn't really know
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But perhaps they only ended up with three embryos.
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Again, this is a very dangerous, risky process for the little lives that are being created.
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They transferred the one embryo that doctors deemed quote unquote healthiest.
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And they even put it in quotes because we don't know exactly what that means.
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And I have a hard time believing that they didn't also purposely choose a boy.
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And so this is very common among anyone who uses IVF, not just two men, is that the gender
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that's wanted for the first child is very often, but not always, but very often selected.
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And so the other two or the other five or the other 12, they get discarded.
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So many ethical issues with IVF that even Christians so often are just not even willing
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But this is, of course, what happens when we sacrifice the well-being of little image bearers
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That's what happens here, because if we believe, as we say we do as pro-lifers, that life starts
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at conception, that a person is a person no matter how small, that embryos are made in
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the image of God, then indefinitely freezing them or thawing them or eugenically selecting
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them based on their gender or based on their ability or disability is not a way to treat
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that little embryo that's made in the image of God.
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And so the whole process from the very beginning is extremely corrupt.
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If you used IVF, do I know that you love your children who are made in the image of God?
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But that does not mean that we should be thoughtless about this entire process, especially when
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we are talking about this situation in which two men are purposely robbing a little boy of
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the love of a mother, which every child needs, especially in those early years throughout
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your life, but especially in those early years, simply because why?
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Putting your wants above the well-being and needs of a child is really one of the most
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And yet this is being glorified as quote-unquote daddyhood.
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All of us who are moms, we remember that moment when we met our child Earthside for the first
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And this is true whether you're an adoptive mom or whether you are a birth mom, a biological
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mom, but because I haven't adopted any children yet, the only experience I have is when I birthed
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my children and they placed that baby on my chest.
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And it is the most natural and simultaneously surreal moment of your life.
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And I've told this story before, but I mean, there are millions and millions of stories
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There are millions of videos like this, some of which we've played on this show before
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when you see the moment that a baby gets to meet his or her mom.
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But with my first, I had a C-section and she had some breathing problems.
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She needed to get her oxygen levels up and I had to beg laying there on the operating table
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as they are stitching me back up and they're about to wheel me back up and they're going
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I said, please, can you just put her on my chest?
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Can you can I please just hold her before you do that?
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And so they said, OK, while we wheel you up, it clearly wasn't too much of an emergent
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situation, but it just wasn't quite where they wanted it.
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While we wheel you up, we'll let you hold her for just a couple minutes.
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And then when we get up to the postpartum room, they take her and they put her on the
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The guy had just come in there wheeling in the bassinet that he was going to put her in
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And he turned right back around and left because her oxygen levels then were perfect.
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She needed the only heartbeat, the only feeling, the only smell, the only bond, the only home,
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That's what all babies need at birth, whether their oxygen levels are off or not.
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And that's not to say that there never is a need for medical intervention.
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There is so much there emotionally, spiritually, physically that is necessary in that bond.
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And again, this kind of situation of baby buying and the renting of wombs in order to create
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a child is purposely taking away that necessary bond.
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We're just hoping because the child doesn't have any power.
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He can't verbalize what he wants, what he craves, what he instinctively longs for in that
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And he maybe throughout his life will have a hard time understanding that.
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He might never be able to articulate why something has always felt like it's missing.
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And there may be a sense of guilt there because I'm sure he will love both of the men who raise
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And he might not ever be able to say, yeah, it would have been awesome to know where else
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It would have been awesome to know where I got my nose, where I got my, you know, affinity
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It would have been great to have the love and the bond of a mother as a baby.
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And because of that, we just assume that everything's fine.
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And these are, again, the same people that say to trust the science.
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But these are the same kinds of people, progressives, who say, oh, we got to trust the science.
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Well, the science tells us that in order for anybody on Earth to exist, we need male and
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Every single person on Earth has a mom and a dad.
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So you're telling me that in this case, this existential case of creating human life,
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that the science tells us nothing about what human beings need, not just to exist, but
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Well, that seems like a very anti-science position.
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But that is, of course, because technology can tell us what we can do.
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And when we are our own gods, when we reject the authority of God, when we worship the God
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of self, we will bend even science and biological truth to fit what we want.
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And we see that with the so-called marriage between two men or two women.
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We lose sight of biological truth because the marriage and the parenting of two men or two
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women is denying the differences between male and female just as much as gender ideology is.
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You're saying that men and women are interchangeable.
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You're saying there's no important difference between male and female, mom and dad, in the same
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way that a gender ideologue would say that a man can become a woman because the two are
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So that's why I'm just not down with the form of conservatism that's like, yeah, trans women
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It's all denying the important distinctions between men and women.
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In this case, of course, it is, again, Rob being a child of his mother or father.
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And as we talked about, we'll link this description in the episode because my mom said, oh, my
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gosh, that was actually the most disturbing episode that you've ever done.
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It was the episode where we talked about, I think it was the Mother's Day episode.
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It was the episode where we talked about how there is so much information online, so much
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evidence online of nannies, whether they're on Reddit or different kinds of chat rooms
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and even gay couples that are writing articles about this, where the child, if they are raised
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by two moms or the child, if they're raised by two dads, at some point in their young life,
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they are coming forward and saying, well, who's my mom or who's my dad or I want a mom
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And The Washington Post had the audacity on Mother's Day to publish this op-ed by this
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gay man who said, oh, our toddler child calls one of us mommy because she said she wants
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And we think that it's probably a result of the bigotry of our society.
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But we're just going to go with it at the time or we're going to go with it for the
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And that is, of course, because children need a mom and a dad.
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And I do mourn over celebrity couples normalizing and glorifying forced fatherlessness and forced
00:33:15.840
They, Colton goes on to say, I guess, on a on a podcast, he says family building isn't always
00:33:26.280
So knowing that there's a percentage of loss and knowing that there's a percentage of
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Is it scary for you or is it scary for the baby that could die as a result of that?
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What he's talking about is that in egg selling and surrogacy situations, the rate of complications,
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They're much higher in these cases than they are in just natural pregnancies.
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Because, again, this is a body carrying a baby that is not biologically theirs.
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And so you're looking at complications and losses that these children are suffering from.
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Because you are saying, well, it's worth the sacrifice of this child's health in order to
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You know that the rates of complications and the health problems that the baby can suffer
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from, that they're much higher in these surrogacy pregnancies.
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And yet you're saying, let's go forth with it because I want a baby.
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Doesn't matter if this child has to spend a month in the NICU.
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Again, because we purposely created a situation that is riskier for them.
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Because you just want a child that is extremely self-centered.
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On a new episode of The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever with Chris Harrison, the former Bachelor
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host, Underwood shared that he and his partner do not know whose sperm was used to conceive
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We told our doctor to put the healthiest embryo in.
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And then for the next one, switch the genetics.
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I have a good chance we're going to be able to tell, but we sort of did that to protect
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I didn't want people coming up on the streets and being like, whose is it?
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And we like look at each other like it's our kid and our baby.
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It's like you make a choice to enter into a fruitless relationship.
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Like, you know, that sex between two men, sex between two men, two women cannot produce
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And you want to try to somehow skirt that reality by buying the genetic material from
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one woman, renting the womb of another woman and saying it's our baby.
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You decided that that kind of relationship that cannot produce natural children is more
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And the consequences of that is that it can't be both of your children.
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The couple has said that whoever is not the biological father of this child would go through
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Um, now this child, of course, is made in God's image.
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And I, um, hope that this child has a wonderful life and that they know that they are created
00:36:34.800
I pray that they, that this child would know Christ.
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Um, we had Ross Johnston here on this, uh, on this couch and it was one of the most popular
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He was raised by two women who, who used a sperm donor to create him.
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And he became a Christian when he was a teenager and he got to know his true father, but he
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talks about the effects of father loss that he had to go through.
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And I'm sure ramifications that he is still dealing with to his, to this day.
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And yet the Lord has used him, has used his testimony to bring others to himself.
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So I hope that, uh, for the children, uh, of these two people who love these two men who
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unfortunately will never know, um, never know their mother.
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I saw this, uh, commentary on a, uh, medical study that was published in PubMed, um, in 2007,
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or you can see it in PubMed in the National Library of Medicine.
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And it's titled Cell Migration from Baby to Mother.
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And, uh, Nargis Kisselbash, I think that's how you pronounce her name.
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This is her commentary on that study that found that there, uh, are cells that migrate from
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the baby in the womb to the mother and then back to the baby.
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And just listen to the incredible effect in relationship, um, of the baby and the mom.
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During pregnancy, some baby cells migrate into the mother's bloodstream and then return to
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It's called mother fetal microchimerism for 41 weeks.
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And after the baby is born, many of these cells remain in the mother's body, leaving
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a permanent imprint in the tissues, bones, brain, and skin of the baby to the mother.
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Every other, every other child a mother has will leave a similar imprint on her body.
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Even if a pregnancy doesn't end, or if you have an abortion, these cells,
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Research has shown that if a mother's heart is injured, fetal cells will rush to the injury
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site and transform into different types of cells that specialize in repairing the heart.
00:39:15.200
The child helps the mother repair while the mother builds the child.
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This is often the reason why some diseases fade away during pregnancy.
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It's amazing how the mother's body protects the baby at all costs, and the baby protects and
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rebuilds the mother in return so they can safely develop and survive.
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Let's think about pregnancy cravings for a moment.
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What did the mother need that the child made her wish?
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The studies also showed the presence of fetal cells in her mother's brain 18 years after birth.
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How necessary are moms that imprint on our bodies because of the children we have carried?
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Think about the implications when we are talking about abortion.
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The rejection not only of your child's body, but of your own body.
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Because you have already had this kind of symbiotic healing relationship with them.
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And yet, even as your child's cells have tried to heal you, you then kill that child.
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Again, not even giving the baby an opportunity to bond with the mother that he or she has become a part of.
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I also read the other day, and as a mom of three, you think you've learned everything about baby development.
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And then you learn something new, that a child, the baby, until about nine months old, sees the mother and feels that his or her mother is just a part of her body.
00:41:08.760
They feel that they are basically still in the womb for the first few months of their life.
00:41:14.940
It is around nine months old that you watch your baby come to the realization that you've left the room, that they have been left with someone that is not you, whether it's like with a sibling or with a grandparent or with the dad.
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And they all of a sudden are turning around and looking for a mom.
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It's like they have developed the awareness that, oh, she is a separate entity that is not a part of my body.
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The incredible, the incredible bond that God has created between the mom and the child.
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And that is why historically fatherlessness has been a much bigger societal issue than motherlessness, because it is simply rare for a mother to just be able to sever that bond.
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It's becoming more prominent, though, because we are purposely manufacturing these motherless children because of the whims of gay men.
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It's not something to be glorified or celebrated or to be commercialized as a podcast, but it's something to be mourned and to pray about.
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So, all right, let's move into our next subject.
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And that is the, again, commercialization of embryos and the trampoline upon the rights of these young babies made in the image of God.
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But in this story, it comes in a different way.
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And the headline is Erin Andrews, the sports reporter that a lot of you guys know.
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She is partnering with Infamil, committing $50,000 to support women struggling with infertility.
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Now, I do not have anything against, obviously, supporting women who struggle with infertility.
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There are women I know who have suffered with infertility for decades.
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There are women I know who, by the grace of God, their infertility, whatever was causing it, has been healed through natural methods and mechanisms.
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There are women I know who struggled with infertility.
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They're thankful for their children, but they regret the process that they went through.
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And so I've spoken to many women who have struggled with prolonged infertility.
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And I commend Erin Andrews for having a heart for this.
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She is an NFL sideline reporter for Fox Sports.
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And she is entering into this partnership and initiative called the MAC Grant, and that is named after her son, that is committing $50,000 to BabyQuest.
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This is a nonprofit organization that provides financial assistance to people who are unable to afford things like IVF.
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She is offering money to couples to use in vitro fertilization.
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So a little background on her own fertility journey.
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In 2016, her oncologist recommended that she and Stoll should freeze,
00:44:48.780
well, she should get her eggs retrieved, and they should make embryos together,
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and they should freeze those embryos because she was sadly diagnosed with cervical cancer.
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She was declared cancer-free, but they decided to move ahead with IVF in the event that the cancer returned.
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And she did several rounds of IVF, nine rounds of IVF over nine years,
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which I'm sure was so hard on her body, so hard on her mentally and spiritually.
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But we can't forget the fact that we're also talking about the loss of life.
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We're talking about the loss of life in an inherently risky process.
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She said we lost twins via surrogacy, and that was really hard.
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I kind of tried to push it aside and act like everything was okay.
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when she found out that an embryo transfer had resulted in implantation,
00:45:56.100
and she became pregnant, and she eventually gave birth to that healthy baby and named him Mac.
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So a lot of loss for her emotionally, but again, a lot of physical loss of life of children,
00:46:21.280
Good wants to want a child, but doesn't justify this approach to creating life.
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Now she is partnering with a company that is making it easier for people to create lots
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of embryos, to eugenically select quote-unquote healthy embryos, to freeze embryos indefinitely.
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We right now have over a million embryos on ice in the United States, which is just crazy.
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There are so many quandaries that this can put people in.
00:46:56.100
And I've heard from many of you who are in one of these quandaries.
00:47:00.560
You realize now that it was wrong to go through IVF, and you have embryos left on ice.
00:47:06.560
You have, say, two to five embryos that you created with your husband,
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and you can't have any more children physically.
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Because of health complications or whatever it is, your body has just been through too much,
00:47:23.080
You pay the freezer fee every month to keep these babies alive.
00:47:29.720
You can't stand the idea of adopting out your children because you don't know who they're
00:47:35.320
In many cases, there are some private adoption situations where you can select
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or you can be more involved in the process, and it's very direct.
00:47:43.640
But you don't know what kind of life they're going to live if you allow an adoption agency
00:47:54.740
And then some women are like, okay, but do I use a surrogate to try to carry my children,
00:48:01.980
And then you've got a whole other quandary there because you are renting the womb of another
00:48:08.820
And so it creates such a cascade of ethical problems.
00:48:12.320
And that is why I just say to you, if you are considering IVF, don't do it.
00:48:18.820
And I have a wonderful listener who I got to meet a few weeks ago who talked about how
00:48:24.760
her and her husband decided against IVF after years of infertility, in part because of information
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And they just welcomed a beautiful baby boy via adoption.
00:48:36.720
And wow, that kid has just hit the jackpot because he has now wonderful, caring, loving
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And that broken situation was redeemed, not made perfect.
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The ideal situation is that we are all raised by our biological mom and dad who love us.
00:48:57.700
And she got to play a part in that, which is a beautiful earthly reflection of the gospel
00:49:07.460
And adoption here on earth is a wonderful reflection of that spiritual eternal reality for the Christian,
00:49:13.920
unlike IVF and the whole reproductive technology profit-driven industry.
00:49:19.960
We've talked about the bioethics of IVF in the past, but just a reminder that IVF has an overall
00:49:27.640
success rate of only 23%, the ratio of cycles to live births.
00:49:34.960
23% success rate for IVF only refers to the number of IVF cycles and not to the number of
00:49:43.260
There's no broad recommendations or laws that dictate the number of embryos created in an average
00:49:48.660
IVF cycle, nor are there any laws that require clinics to report how many they create.
00:50:00.060
America is the wild, wild west of reproductive technology.
00:50:04.840
In places like France, in Canada, in Italy, in the UK, there are much tighter restrictions
00:50:11.740
and regulations around surrogacy and egg retrieval and IVF.
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It would be much better for us to at least move in that direction.
00:50:20.300
But unfortunately, America is the place for profit.
00:50:28.440
And so I think this is an unfortunate partnership for Erin Andrews.
00:50:33.720
But again, this is just the glorification of the commercialization of human life.
00:50:38.200
Technology, as we've often said, when it takes us from what is natural to what is possible,
00:50:43.300
Christians, have the obligation to ask, but is this moral?
00:50:49.480
We live in a very disordered society where we sacrifice the well-being of the weakest,
00:50:55.300
of the voiceless, and the powerless children for the wants of the most powerful.
00:51:02.200
It's because children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments.
00:51:06.240
Reproductive technology is another example of that.
00:51:12.060
Christians, evangelicals, we've got to catch up on this issue.
00:51:17.980
They matter just as much as the babies in the womb who are being considered for abortion.
00:51:24.840
How we treat the most vulnerable among us matters.
00:51:29.080
And Christians have to be a champion of the most vulnerable as we have since our inception.
00:51:34.480
We can't turn a blind eye to this just because it is uncomfortable.
00:51:38.180
And again, please don't interpret this as hate for anyone who has gone through these reproductive
00:51:46.900
I mean, when you have talked to, for example, if we're talking about surrogacy, when you have
00:51:51.600
talked to a woman who was forced contractually, legally by two men to have an abortion or to
00:52:00.400
allow the child to be born prematurely and to not get any medical help because these two
00:52:08.580
quote unquote dads decided that they no longer wanted the baby their surrogate was carrying
00:52:14.900
because that baby might have some kind of health complications.
00:52:18.100
When you hear stories like that, that's not the only story that I've heard like that.
00:52:22.240
It is really hard not to passionately preach against evil practices like that.
00:52:29.140
There's so much more corruption than we even know and talk about on the show.
00:52:49.540
We have so much more on my document, on my research document that I didn't get to.
00:52:53.960
But as always, there is so much more to discuss than we actually have time to talk about on
00:53:03.400
We've got a lot of good episodes coming up next week, some subjects that you guys have
00:53:08.320
been asking me to dive into that we just haven't had the chance to yet that we will get into
00:53:16.600
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00:53:31.080
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