Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 30, 2024


Ep 1011 ｜ Colton Underwood’s “Daddyhood” Glorifies Motherlessness & Baby-Buying


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54 minutes

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159.85654

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8,736

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568

Misogynist Sentences

40

Hate Speech Sentences

30


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.480 Colton Underwood, a former bachelor, is welcoming a child with his partner via surrogacy.
00:00:07.520 And my, oh my, the details of this journey that he has revealed are insane.
00:00:14.720 We've got all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
00:00:27.320 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.
00:00:29.020 Happy Thursday.
00:00:30.300 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
00:00:32.980 Okay, we've got the most controversial things to talk about today.
00:00:36.400 Before we get into it, just a few announcements for you guys.
00:00:40.960 The Share the Arrows event coming up on September 28th.
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00:01:13.380 This is going to be a time for you not only to sit under amazing teaching and encouragement,
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00:01:23.160 So often we feel like we're alone, like we're the only ones navigating the storm of this culture war,
00:01:30.420 especially depending on where you live.
00:01:32.140 You can feel like you have no community at all.
00:01:34.260 And when we feel like we're alone, we are tempted to feel like we are wrong,
00:01:39.000 to feel like we are insane, to feel like it's just not worth pushing back against the darkness
00:01:44.860 in our own lives, in our communities, with our families.
00:01:48.580 But we're not alone.
00:01:50.100 And so this event is going to be a beautiful and refreshing reminder of that.
00:01:55.160 You are going to be with thousands of Christian women who have the same values,
00:01:59.880 the same concerns, the same hopes and dreams and aim of pursuing Jesus as you do.
00:02:07.220 And you do not want to miss this.
00:02:09.780 We've gotten lots of questions about whether it's going to be available for a live stream,
00:02:13.480 whether we are going to be going to different cities in the future.
00:02:16.740 And we just don't know the answers to those things yet.
00:02:19.800 I'm not trying to hold down on you, but this is our first event.
00:02:22.940 This is the first event that I've ever done.
00:02:25.220 So we are still figuring out what works and what's going to work.
00:02:29.460 We didn't even know what the response would be.
00:02:31.720 We have already far surpassed the goal that I wanted to reach ultimately
00:02:36.920 in the number of ticket sales and the number of attendees.
00:02:40.280 We reached that in like the first 48 hours.
00:02:42.660 And so now that we see, wow, this is something that is so wanted and so needed,
00:02:48.140 we are figuring out ways to accommodate this desire that you guys have to come together.
00:02:54.180 But all that to say, this is the best guarantee that you have of attending this event is attending
00:03:01.980 in person and also attending this inaugural event in Dallas because we just don't know
00:03:07.940 what the future holds and what our technical capabilities are.
00:03:12.020 So if you go to sharethearrows.com, you can see all of the ticket options there.
00:03:17.000 We would absolutely love to have you.
00:03:19.620 Yes, you can come by yourself.
00:03:21.460 That is totally fine.
00:03:22.720 There are going to be a lot of individuals there by themselves.
00:03:25.880 I promise you, like this is when I say that the relatable audience is the best audience
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00:03:33.100 I am not exaggerating every sponsor that I have, every guest that I have, every person
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00:03:50.240 most hospitable audience.
00:03:51.900 I know that's true because every time we post a link to donate items to a pregnancy center,
00:03:56.800 for example, you guys show up and you are so incredibly charitable with the time, the resources
00:04:04.680 that you give to those in need.
00:04:07.260 And so all that to say, if you come to this event by yourself, you are going to find fast
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00:04:21.220 But also bring your family, bring your sisters, bring your friends, bring your mom, bring all
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00:04:49.560 And I really don't want anyone to miss out on this, especially in light of election season.
00:04:54.760 Every month we get closer to the election, we are going to feel like, oh my gosh, I just
00:05:01.300 need to get with my people and make sure that I'm grounded and that we're all on the same
00:05:06.460 page, right?
00:05:07.720 So that's what this is going to be, getting all on the same page, a call to arms, and just
00:05:12.680 a reminder of what is important and just ensuring that we are solidified in what is
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00:05:21.320 So sharethearrows.com.
00:05:23.380 I cannot wait to see you guys there.
00:05:25.160 I, of course, will be speaking too.
00:05:26.640 I didn't mention that.
00:05:28.500 And there are also options on the website for meet and greet and breakfast and dinner and
00:05:34.980 all of that.
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00:05:42.120 All right.
00:05:42.660 Just a couple other quick things before we get into all of this.
00:05:46.140 Vodibakam, he is amazing.
00:05:48.020 He was actually supposed to, we were supposed to record an interview today.
00:05:51.560 I've had him on the show several times.
00:05:53.160 You guys love him so much, independent from this show, but as a guest on the show and then
00:05:57.180 also just who he is as an evangelist, as a teacher of the word, as an author.
00:06:04.100 And, but unfortunately his flight got delayed, but we are going to be at the same event this
00:06:09.380 weekend.
00:06:09.960 Um, it is, uh, it's a, we're having a live conversation in Texas.
00:06:16.180 You can go to, I think it's Vodibakam.org, but we're going to put the link in the description.
00:06:21.820 It's on June 1st.
00:06:23.300 Our live conversation will be at 630.
00:06:26.180 So link in the description of this episode for tickets.
00:06:29.380 And so, uh, he and I will be talking about all of the important things.
00:06:34.680 And also, I just want to tell you about his book.
00:06:36.520 It's not like being black, how sexual activists hijacked the civil rights movement.
00:06:43.400 He addresses the dangerous alliance between gender ideology and the civil rights movement
00:06:47.900 and shares why this is the latest threat to the church from social justice warriors.
00:06:53.060 Yes, there is no greater message messenger for this message than Vodibakam that comes out
00:06:58.080 on June 4th.
00:06:59.280 So make sure that you go out and pre-order that right now.
00:07:02.860 Okay.
00:07:03.060 Last thing before we get into all of it, please, if you love this podcast, if it's meant anything
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00:07:15.200 All right.
00:07:15.800 That's it.
00:07:16.360 That's all the announcements.
00:07:17.360 Let's get into this.
00:07:18.740 Let's get into this crazy story that you guys have been asking me to talk about for so
00:07:23.800 long.
00:07:24.320 And I've been avoiding talking about it because I don't really want to give this whole thing
00:07:30.520 airtime, but we have to, it, it just combines so many things that we discuss so often on this
00:07:37.180 show.
00:07:37.480 And that is, um, Colton Underwood of the bachelor of fame, starting a podcast called daddyhood
00:07:45.860 to chronicle his journey with his quote unquote husband to obtaining a child through egg selling
00:07:54.860 and surrogacy.
00:07:57.020 And this is just another example of the glorification of commodifying children and
00:08:05.020 commercializing women and their uteruses.
00:08:09.340 And this is the person who also professes Christianity.
00:08:14.580 And so here is, uh, just a little background about who he is before we get into some of the
00:08:20.860 details of this, what I think is a very disturbing journey.
00:08:24.640 And before we talk about why this all matters in so many different ways, uh, Colton Underwood,
00:08:29.980 as I said, he is a former bachelor star.
00:08:32.280 He is 32 years old and his spouse, Jordan Brown, uh, is 38.
00:08:37.720 They are expecting their first baby, a boy via surrogate in early, uh, in early October.
00:08:46.300 Now to rewind a little bit, you might remember Colton Underwood from the bachelor.
00:08:51.000 I do not watch the bachelor.
00:08:53.920 I watched a couple episodes of the golden bachelor, which I thought was interesting, but I have
00:08:59.280 not watched the bachelor since I think Juan Pablo's season and maybe like 2011.
00:09:06.840 He ruined it for me.
00:09:07.860 He was a horrible bachelor anyway.
00:09:09.940 So I stopped watching it, which is good because it's pretty trash television anyway.
00:09:13.280 So he was on the bachelor though, a few years ago, and then in 2021, he kind of shocked the
00:09:20.440 world when he said, yeah, I am now gay.
00:09:24.100 Here is that one.
00:09:25.480 I got closer to God this year.
00:09:27.700 And I know even saying that now as a gay man, people can be like, how is that even possible?
00:09:33.220 And it's like, I don't think unless you understand, I used to wake up in the morning and pray for
00:09:38.080 him to take the gay away.
00:09:39.060 I used to pray for him to change me and I can now wake up and pray to God and I can
00:09:44.700 actually have faith and I can go into church and be present.
00:09:50.420 Yeah.
00:09:50.980 You know, there's so much about that, that just makes me sad.
00:09:55.540 And obviously I don't know his background.
00:09:57.940 I don't know his story.
00:09:59.360 I don't know the true feelings and temptations that he has struggled with his whole life,
00:10:06.840 but it saddens me that he feels as many professing Christians, professing Christians feel that
00:10:15.740 embracing sin and embracing our temptations is a form of liberation when the Bible actually
00:10:20.660 says that it is a form of enslavement.
00:10:24.760 And I think of 1 Corinthians 6, 11, and actually if we back up a little bit before that, starting
00:10:33.600 in, waiting for it to load, starting in verse 9, or do you not know that the unrighteous will
00:10:40.800 not inherit the kingdom of God?
00:10:42.520 Do not be deceived.
00:10:43.480 Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
00:10:48.620 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom
00:10:53.360 of God.
00:10:54.320 And such were some of you.
00:10:56.900 And such were some of you.
00:10:59.880 But here's what changed.
00:11:01.840 Here's the hope for every single one of us, not just those who practiced or struggled with
00:11:06.060 homosexuality, but for every single sinner.
00:11:09.860 But you were washed.
00:11:11.700 You were sanctified.
00:11:13.300 You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
00:11:19.880 So the liberation actually comes in realizing that being a slave to our flesh and our sinful
00:11:26.580 sexual desires, that that is part of the old self.
00:11:33.420 But now we are new creations because of being made alive in Christ by grace through faith,
00:11:40.080 as Ephesians 2 says, that we can reject and we can leave and we can let go of and repent
00:11:47.000 of our former way of life.
00:11:48.920 Does that mean that we'll never sin again?
00:11:50.200 Does that mean we'll never struggle?
00:11:51.380 Does that mean we'll never have temptations again?
00:11:53.840 No, of course it doesn't mean those things, but it means that we are not walking in the
00:11:58.200 way of our flesh.
00:11:58.920 We are not walking in sin anymore.
00:12:02.900 But the grace and the love of Christ motivates us to walk in a way that is holy.
00:12:06.700 That is not just true of people who have homosexual desires.
00:12:11.040 That is true of people who have all sinful desires, which is all of us.
00:12:14.880 We are all called by the power of the Holy Spirit to walk in repentance.
00:12:18.620 That is what true freedom and liberation is.
00:12:21.740 Not just suppressing our conviction and pretending like you can wed Christianity with unrepentant
00:12:31.020 sin, but repenting of that sin and walking with Christ taking up our cross and following
00:12:38.140 him, Rosaria Butterfield, Christopher Yuan, Beckett Cook, all people whose testimonies
00:12:44.180 of leaving homosexuality for the gospel and for Christ are so empowering, so beautiful.
00:12:48.980 So if you don't want to take it from me, someone who is not in this same position, go read their
00:12:53.240 books, listen to their testimonies, see what Christ has done in their life, specifically when
00:12:58.340 it comes to the homosexual desire and homosexual temptation.
00:13:04.040 So that's a little bit of background on him.
00:13:06.220 He's also had some legal issues with some very serious allegations of behavior, alleged
00:13:12.580 behavior with his past girlfriends, some really disturbing stuff.
00:13:18.280 We've actually already talked about that on this show, so you can go research that for
00:13:21.660 yourself if you'd like to.
00:13:24.800 So that's not completely relevant to the conversation that we're having today about just how his
00:13:30.560 confusion and deception about his identity is now having an impact on helpless children.
00:13:38.800 And of course, that's always what happens when we normalize and celebrate and legalize sin.
00:13:54.800 All right, this is According to Today.com.
00:13:59.100 This is the online news version of the Today Show.
00:14:03.000 It says, former bachelor Colton Underwood has been pursuing daddyhood, which happens to be
00:14:08.680 the name of his podcast, for more than two years.
00:14:11.420 And he and his husband, Jordan C.
00:14:13.320 Brown, announced on Instagram that they will be welcoming a baby boy in the fall.
00:14:17.960 It's almost always a baby boy.
00:14:20.280 Almost always a boy.
00:14:22.540 I don't know.
00:14:23.020 That's just strange.
00:14:24.700 Our little boy is coming this fall.
00:14:27.180 The ex-NFL player captioned a photo carousel featuring an ultrasound image.
00:14:31.740 He also posted a video to share his joy about the good news.
00:14:34.820 And if you are not watching on YouTube, it's these men's hands holding this ultrasound image
00:14:42.200 of this little baby in a womb.
00:14:46.720 The question is, whose womb?
00:14:48.280 And we'll get to that.
00:14:49.300 Becoming a father, the Today Show says, has always been a goal of mine, Underwood said
00:14:53.920 in a backstage interview when he visited Today earlier this year.
00:14:57.200 It's been something that I've always wanted to accomplish, and I never thought it was possible
00:15:01.660 as a gay man.
00:15:04.380 His path to parenthood wasn't an easy one.
00:15:06.940 Underwood was told early on that his active sperm count was low.
00:15:10.440 So he worked with doctors to determine a plan of action.
00:15:13.660 He needed to change his lifestyle, his sperm count bounced back, he said.
00:15:18.580 And so then they were able to find an egg seller.
00:15:23.320 The reason, again, I don't say egg donor is because it's only called egg donor because of
00:15:29.580 a technicality.
00:15:30.580 It's not actually legal to sell human tissue in the United States.
00:15:34.540 And so egg donors say that they are being paid for their time and their effort, not
00:15:39.760 actually their eggs.
00:15:41.080 But we all know the truth.
00:15:42.280 They're not donating their eggs.
00:15:44.000 They are selling their eggs.
00:15:46.060 And so when people say, oh, surrogates, egg donors, they're so altruistic.
00:15:50.120 No, they're getting paid very often tens of thousands of dollars to sell part of their
00:15:54.800 body very often to men like this.
00:15:58.180 Underwood told Men's Health, we want somebody deep and cool for the egg seller.
00:16:03.000 I believe in nature versus nurture.
00:16:06.060 So give us the basics and we can show this kid love.
00:16:10.740 What?
00:16:11.260 That doesn't even make any sense.
00:16:13.200 I'm not sure that you actually believe in nature because you are denying that a child
00:16:18.700 needs a mother.
00:16:20.280 In the couple's first conversation with an egg donor, this is the language they use.
00:16:24.300 They met virtually and Brown and Underwood didn't use video or their real names.
00:16:28.840 Underwood shared an elevator with his egg donor.
00:16:31.540 He was heading to a routine physical and she was there for testing prior to her egg
00:16:35.680 retrieval.
00:16:37.220 He said this was a bonding thing.
00:16:40.200 They also mentioned that it was kind of like using a dating app, trying to find the right
00:16:47.720 egg donor and trying to find the right surrogate.
00:16:51.180 So that's disturbing in and of itself.
00:16:53.160 We've seen several stories of men like Shane Dawson, that YouTuber, for example, saying that
00:16:58.500 they look through catalogs, you look through catalogs, you find the person who you think
00:17:04.280 is prettiest and who has the best genetic makeup in your opinion and maybe who has an
00:17:10.480 Ivy League degree and you say, yes, I want that to be the mother of my child.
00:17:15.380 That's not the language they use.
00:17:16.880 They use language like egg donor because it's less intimate and you're just denying the biological
00:17:22.860 reality that this woman is a mother.
00:17:25.280 So they literally go through catalogs of women, not that different than prostitution, and they
00:17:32.200 choose who is going to be the genetic mother.
00:17:34.600 And they do a similar thing when they are picking the surrogate.
00:17:40.640 They have spent $350,000 on their fertility team.
00:17:46.480 So that's the surrogate, the egg seller, also the medical team that had to do all of this.
00:17:56.620 And so there's a lot that's involved.
00:17:58.720 Of course, there's IVF that is involved in this process.
00:18:02.840 Well, there's the egg retrieval first from the so-called egg donor.
00:18:06.260 And then there's the IVF process where they are using the sperm from these two men and
00:18:13.300 they are mixing it together with the eggs that were retrieved.
00:18:17.040 They're creating embryos out of that genetic material.
00:18:20.640 And then they are implanting the embryo that is created, that is selected into a different
00:18:27.600 woman.
00:18:28.000 And that is the surrogate.
00:18:30.160 And she has to take hormones herself to prepare her body for this foreign entity that is going
00:18:37.300 into her uterus.
00:18:38.000 That's very dangerous for the embryo, by the way.
00:18:40.720 It can also be very dangerous health-wise for the surrogate because this is a very unnatural
00:18:45.860 process.
00:18:46.980 And it can be mismatched.
00:18:48.720 The woman's body can reject this little embryo.
00:18:51.920 But again, we're just saying, oh, whatever.
00:18:53.940 As long as the parents want a child, that's all ethically fine.
00:18:57.420 And so this embryo is implanted.
00:19:00.200 And if all goes well, quote unquote, this woman becomes pregnant and the baby grows.
00:19:09.160 And we'll talk a little bit more about what happens from there.
00:19:12.360 But first, I want to talk more about their specific process and what happened with the
00:19:18.060 egg retrieval.
00:19:19.080 So here's what today.com says.
00:19:21.800 And they actually use the wrong language.
00:19:23.640 And so I'm going to correct them.
00:19:24.760 This just goes to show how little the mainstream knows about the surrogacy process.
00:19:29.420 It says Underwood and Brown divided their sperm between the surrogate's 22 eggs.
00:19:34.580 It's not the surrogate's eggs.
00:19:36.240 That's illegal.
00:19:37.440 That can't happen.
00:19:38.680 It's the egg seller is one woman.
00:19:40.620 The surrogate is another woman.
00:19:41.940 So it's not the surrogate's 22 eggs.
00:19:44.180 Why do they have to be legally separate so that neither woman can claim motherhood?
00:19:50.860 So that neither woman can say that they are bonded to this child.
00:19:56.560 Even the law recognizes that there is this strong, fierce biological bond between the mom
00:20:04.660 and a child.
00:20:06.140 And that could cause all kinds of problems when that child is then taken away.
00:20:11.520 And so the surrogate has no genetic claim to this child.
00:20:14.940 The egg seller doesn't care because she doesn't even know who these people are.
00:20:20.200 She didn't feel that child grow in her womb.
00:20:23.700 And so it just makes it easier for everyone except for the baby, who will never know his
00:20:30.060 biological mom and also is immediately ripped away from the only body, the only woman, the
00:20:37.060 only home he has ever known immediately at birth.
00:20:40.960 Again, treating a child much worse than we treat puppies and kittens in the United States,
00:20:46.640 who legally we have to keep with their mother for 6 to 12 weeks after birth.
00:20:51.800 But for human babies, we say, no, you don't get that skin-to-skin bonding with the heartbeat,
00:20:58.280 the warmth, the smell, the feel of the woman that you know.
00:21:02.080 You don't get the milk that you instinctively are longing for.
00:21:07.320 You don't get that experience right after birth that regulates their temperature,
00:21:13.760 that regulates the baby's heart rate, that regulates the breathing, that emotional physiological
00:21:21.180 attachment that is so necessary for the health and the safety of babies at birth.
00:21:27.040 No, surrogate baby, you don't get that because your two gay dads wanted to have a child in
00:21:33.360 this way.
00:21:33.860 So this baby gets robbed of all of those things that we are told, those of us who are biological
00:21:39.360 moms, we are told that that skin-to-skin, that that bonding is so important after birth and
00:21:45.560 the entire medical team will bend over backwards to make sure that that baby is placed on the
00:21:50.560 mom's chest immediately after the C-section or immediately after the biological or the vaginal
00:21:55.460 birth because everyone knows how important that is.
00:21:58.180 Babies of surrogates get denied that.
00:22:00.240 They get denied that purposely.
00:22:01.360 And again, how is this different than babies who are put up for adoption who also don't
00:22:06.400 get that after birth?
00:22:07.220 One, that is still trauma.
00:22:08.520 That is still separation.
00:22:10.340 But surrogacy creates a broken situation from the get-go, from the point of conception.
00:22:16.440 It purposely creates a broken situation.
00:22:18.920 Adoption redeems a broken situation.
00:22:21.000 So the life is already created with adoption.
00:22:23.020 Then adoption tries to redeem that broken situation.
00:22:25.420 And then surrogacy creates the broken situation from the point of conception.
00:22:30.960 You are creating a life to purposely rob that child in this kind of homosexual case of a mother
00:22:39.500 or a father in different ways if you're talking about sperm donation.
00:22:44.200 I also want to focus on this.
00:22:45.980 Underwood and Brown divided their sperm between the egg cellars 22 eggs.
00:22:51.380 22 eggs, they divided their sperm.
00:22:55.320 There's a little confusion here.
00:22:56.480 Again, I think this just goes to show that this author at the Today Show doesn't really know
00:23:00.060 how to explain this.
00:23:01.420 They ended up fertilizing three embryos.
00:23:04.760 Fertilizing three embryos.
00:23:05.980 Again, that's not quite the right language.
00:23:08.160 So it sounds like they fertilized the 22 eggs.
00:23:12.100 But perhaps they only ended up with three embryos.
00:23:16.300 Again, this is a very dangerous, risky process for the little lives that are being created.
00:23:20.800 So there's three embryos.
00:23:22.240 They transferred the one embryo that doctors deemed quote unquote healthiest.
00:23:27.520 And they even put it in quotes because we don't know exactly what that means.
00:23:31.740 Did one of them have a chromosomal disorder?
00:23:34.040 Did they have Down syndrome?
00:23:35.820 What happened to the other embryos?
00:23:37.620 Were they discarded?
00:23:38.640 Were they allowed to thaw?
00:23:39.740 Will they be just frozen indefinitely?
00:23:44.040 We don't know what means healthiest.
00:23:46.060 And I have a hard time believing that they didn't also purposely choose a boy.
00:23:50.300 And so this is very common among anyone who uses IVF, not just two men, is that the gender
00:23:58.960 that's wanted for the first child is very often, but not always, but very often selected.
00:24:05.060 And so the other two or the other five or the other 12, they get discarded.
00:24:10.180 They get indefinitely frozen.
00:24:12.740 So many ethical issues with IVF that even Christians so often are just not even willing
00:24:18.500 to look at.
00:24:20.640 But this is, of course, what happens when we sacrifice the well-being of little image bearers
00:24:25.620 of God for the wants and the whims of adults.
00:24:29.000 That's what happens here, because if we believe, as we say we do as pro-lifers, that life starts
00:24:33.820 at conception, that a person is a person no matter how small, that embryos are made in
00:24:38.260 the image of God, then indefinitely freezing them or thawing them or eugenically selecting
00:24:43.100 them based on their gender or based on their ability or disability is not a way to treat
00:24:47.980 that little embryo that's made in the image of God.
00:24:50.180 And so the whole process from the very beginning is extremely corrupt.
00:24:54.900 Is it good to want a child?
00:24:56.140 If you used IVF, do I know that you love your children who are made in the image of God?
00:25:01.400 Absolutely, 100%.
00:25:03.260 But that does not mean that we should be thoughtless about this entire process, especially when
00:25:10.260 we are talking about this situation in which two men are purposely robbing a little boy of
00:25:16.900 the love of a mother, which every child needs, especially in those early years throughout
00:25:22.740 your life, but especially in those early years, simply because why?
00:25:26.400 Because of their wants.
00:25:28.860 Putting your wants above the well-being and needs of a child is really one of the most
00:25:33.040 wicked things that you can do, right?
00:25:35.620 And yet this is being glorified as quote-unquote daddyhood.
00:25:39.080 I'm sorry, but this is selfishness.
00:25:41.240 It is.
00:25:41.800 All of us who are moms, we remember that moment when we met our child Earthside for the first
00:26:02.040 time.
00:26:02.500 And this is true whether you're an adoptive mom or whether you are a birth mom, a biological
00:26:09.960 mom, but because I haven't adopted any children yet, the only experience I have is when I birthed
00:26:17.840 my children and they placed that baby on my chest.
00:26:22.440 And it is the most natural and simultaneously surreal moment of your life.
00:26:30.020 And I've told this story before, but I mean, there are millions and millions of stories
00:26:34.400 like this.
00:26:35.080 There are millions of videos like this, some of which we've played on this show before
00:26:40.860 when you see the moment that a baby gets to meet his or her mom.
00:26:45.820 But with my first, I had a C-section and she had some breathing problems.
00:26:51.260 She needed to get her oxygen levels up and I had to beg laying there on the operating table
00:26:57.700 as they are stitching me back up and they're about to wheel me back up and they're going
00:27:02.000 to take her into the NICU.
00:27:04.080 I said, please, can you just put her on my chest?
00:27:06.400 Can you can I please just hold her before you do that?
00:27:09.420 And so they said, OK, while we wheel you up, it clearly wasn't too much of an emergent
00:27:14.340 situation, but it just wasn't quite where they wanted it.
00:27:16.900 While we wheel you up, we'll let you hold her for just a couple minutes.
00:27:19.920 And so they placed her on my chest.
00:27:22.920 Of course, she immediately stops crying.
00:27:25.820 And then when we get up to the postpartum room, they take her and they put her on the
00:27:31.020 little bed that measures her oxygen levels.
00:27:33.280 And they said, oh, never mind.
00:27:35.340 The guy had just come in there wheeling in the bassinet that he was going to put her in
00:27:40.160 to wheel her into the NICU.
00:27:41.600 And he turned right back around and left because her oxygen levels then were perfect.
00:27:47.060 What did she need in that moment?
00:27:48.780 She needed her mom.
00:27:51.160 She needed me.
00:27:52.320 She needed the only heartbeat, the only feeling, the only smell, the only bond, the only home,
00:27:58.280 the only human she had ever known.
00:28:01.380 That's what all babies need at birth, whether their oxygen levels are off or not.
00:28:07.820 And that's not to say that there never is a need for medical intervention.
00:28:11.560 Of course there is.
00:28:13.320 But babies need their moms.
00:28:14.700 There is so much there emotionally, spiritually, physically that is necessary in that bond.
00:28:21.280 And again, this kind of situation of baby buying and the renting of wombs in order to create
00:28:29.080 a child is purposely taking away that necessary bond.
00:28:34.700 And we're just hoping that everything is fine.
00:28:36.640 We're just hoping because the child doesn't have any power.
00:28:40.360 He can't articulate his needs.
00:28:42.560 He can't verbalize what he wants, what he craves, what he instinctively longs for in that
00:28:48.040 moment that everything is going to be fine.
00:28:49.780 And he maybe throughout his life will have a hard time understanding that.
00:28:54.500 He might never be able to articulate why something has always felt like it's missing.
00:29:00.760 And there may be a sense of guilt there because I'm sure he will love both of the men who raise
00:29:06.100 him.
00:29:06.680 I'm sure they're nice people.
00:29:08.080 And he might not ever be able to say, yeah, it would have been awesome to know where else
00:29:14.700 I come from.
00:29:15.480 It would have been awesome to know where I got my nose, where I got my, you know, affinity
00:29:20.980 for math or whatever it is.
00:29:23.920 It would have been great to know that.
00:29:25.400 It would have been great to have the love and the bond of a mother as a baby.
00:29:29.180 He may never be able to say that.
00:29:32.320 And because of that, we just assume that everything's fine.
00:29:34.960 And these are, again, the same people that say to trust the science.
00:29:38.440 I'm not talking about Colton Underwood.
00:29:39.640 I don't know if he's ever said that.
00:29:40.720 But these are the same kinds of people, progressives, who say, oh, we got to trust the science.
00:29:47.800 Well, the science tells us that in order for anybody on Earth to exist, we need male and
00:29:53.540 female.
00:29:54.760 Every single person on Earth has a mom and a dad.
00:29:58.100 Science tells us that.
00:29:59.180 So you're telling me that in this case, this existential case of creating human life,
00:30:04.840 that the science tells us nothing about what human beings need, not just to exist, but
00:30:10.960 to thrive.
00:30:12.860 Well, that seems like a very anti-science position.
00:30:15.540 But that is, of course, because technology can tell us what we can do.
00:30:20.980 It can't tell us what we should do.
00:30:23.520 Science can't answer moral questions for us.
00:30:26.960 And when we are our own gods, when we reject the authority of God, when we worship the God
00:30:33.480 of self, we will bend even science and biological truth to fit what we want.
00:30:38.500 Of course, we see that with gender ideology.
00:30:41.080 And we see that with the so-called marriage between two men or two women.
00:30:46.600 It's the same math as we've said many times.
00:30:49.480 Love is love and trans women are women.
00:30:51.860 It's the same kind of circular logic.
00:30:54.400 You're not defining any of those things.
00:30:56.540 So they become whatever you want them to be.
00:30:59.640 We lose sight of reality.
00:31:01.140 We lose sight of biological truth because the marriage and the parenting of two men or two
00:31:06.500 women is denying the differences between male and female just as much as gender ideology is.
00:31:11.660 You're saying that men and women are interchangeable.
00:31:13.680 You're saying there's no important difference between male and female, mom and dad, in the same
00:31:19.380 way that a gender ideologue would say that a man can become a woman because the two are
00:31:23.420 interchangeable.
00:31:24.900 So that's why I'm just not down with the form of conservatism that's like, yeah, trans women
00:31:28.740 are women is too far.
00:31:30.640 That doesn't make any sense.
00:31:31.880 But love is love.
00:31:33.940 LGB without the T.
00:31:35.520 It's all the same math.
00:31:37.020 It's all the same math.
00:31:38.120 It's all denying the important distinctions between men and women.
00:31:42.680 And they both end up harming children.
00:31:45.500 In this case, of course, it is, again, Rob being a child of his mother or father.
00:31:50.720 And as we talked about, we'll link this description in the episode because my mom said, oh, my
00:31:55.460 gosh, that was actually the most disturbing episode that you've ever done.
00:31:58.780 And I was like, really?
00:31:59.480 We've done a lot of disturbing episodes.
00:32:01.040 But it's so important.
00:32:02.480 It was the episode where we talked about, I think it was the Mother's Day episode.
00:32:07.140 It was the episode where we talked about how there is so much information online, so much
00:32:15.080 evidence online of nannies, whether they're on Reddit or different kinds of chat rooms
00:32:20.320 and even gay couples that are writing articles about this, where the child, if they are raised
00:32:28.500 by two moms or the child, if they're raised by two dads, at some point in their young life,
00:32:33.220 they are coming forward and saying, well, who's my mom or who's my dad or I want a mom
00:32:37.960 or I want a dad.
00:32:38.820 And The Washington Post had the audacity on Mother's Day to publish this op-ed by this
00:32:42.960 gay man who said, oh, our toddler child calls one of us mommy because she said she wants
00:32:48.080 a mom.
00:32:48.520 And we think that it's probably a result of the bigotry of our society.
00:32:52.920 But we're just going to go with it at the time or we're going to go with it for the
00:32:56.780 time being.
00:32:57.300 And that is, of course, because children need a mom and a dad.
00:33:01.640 They know that they need a mom and a dad.
00:33:03.840 And I do mourn over celebrity couples normalizing and glorifying forced fatherlessness and forced
00:33:11.660 motherlessness.
00:33:15.840 They, Colton goes on to say, I guess, on a on a podcast, he says family building isn't always
00:33:23.380 black and white.
00:33:24.340 And he's talking about the surrogacy process.
00:33:26.280 So knowing that there's a percentage of loss and knowing that there's a percentage of
00:33:30.040 complications that can happen is scary.
00:33:32.840 Is it scary for you or is it scary for the baby that could die as a result of that?
00:33:37.860 What he's talking about is that in egg selling and surrogacy situations, the rate of complications,
00:33:45.380 the rate of loss, they're much higher.
00:33:48.160 They're much higher in these cases than they are in just natural pregnancies.
00:33:52.700 Because, again, this is a body carrying a baby that is not biologically theirs.
00:33:59.780 And so you're looking at complications and losses that these children are suffering from.
00:34:07.440 And he says kind of flippantly, that's scary.
00:34:10.660 Is it that scary?
00:34:12.080 Because you are saying, well, it's worth the sacrifice of this child's health in order to
00:34:17.480 obtain this child.
00:34:19.140 You know that the rates of complications and the health problems that the baby can suffer
00:34:24.220 from, that they're much higher in these surrogacy pregnancies.
00:34:28.140 And yet you're saying, let's go forth with it because I want a baby.
00:34:31.760 Doesn't matter if this child has to spend a month in the NICU.
00:34:35.480 Again, because we purposely created a situation that is riskier for them.
00:34:39.480 Because you just want a child that is extremely self-centered.
00:34:43.900 It's extremely self-centered.
00:34:45.940 On a new episode of The Most Dramatic Podcast Ever with Chris Harrison, the former Bachelor
00:34:50.980 host, Underwood shared that he and his partner do not know whose sperm was used to conceive
00:34:55.640 the baby.
00:34:56.580 We told our doctor to put the healthiest embryo in.
00:35:00.060 And then for the next one, switch the genetics.
00:35:03.720 This is so dystopian.
00:35:05.320 So brave new world.
00:35:06.240 I have a good chance we're going to be able to tell, but we sort of did that to protect
00:35:11.400 ourselves.
00:35:12.460 I didn't want people coming up on the streets and being like, whose is it?
00:35:15.560 And we like look at each other like it's our kid and our baby.
00:35:19.240 But it's not.
00:35:20.640 It's not.
00:35:21.980 It's actually not.
00:35:24.000 It is going to be genetically one of yours.
00:35:27.800 And so that's the thing.
00:35:28.940 It's like you make a choice to enter into a fruitless relationship.
00:35:34.360 Like, you know, that sex between two men, sex between two men, two women cannot produce
00:35:41.080 fruit.
00:35:42.200 And you want to try to somehow skirt that reality by buying the genetic material from
00:35:50.320 one woman, renting the womb of another woman and saying it's our baby.
00:35:53.920 Well, that's just not how it works.
00:35:55.380 You made your choices.
00:35:56.640 You decided that that kind of relationship that cannot produce natural children is more
00:36:00.880 important to you than having natural children.
00:36:03.260 And the consequences of that is that it can't be both of your children.
00:36:08.060 The couple has said that whoever is not the biological father of this child would go through
00:36:12.320 the process again for their second child.
00:36:17.300 And of course, this is all just very sad.
00:36:20.300 Um, now this child, of course, is made in God's image.
00:36:25.880 And I, um, hope that this child has a wonderful life and that they know that they are created
00:36:33.360 by God, loved by God.
00:36:34.800 I pray that they, that this child would know Christ.
00:36:38.760 Um, we had Ross Johnston here on this, uh, on this couch and it was one of the most popular
00:36:45.020 episodes that we did.
00:36:45.980 He was raised by two women who, who used a sperm donor to create him.
00:36:53.480 And he became a Christian when he was a teenager and he got to know his true father, but he
00:36:59.880 talks about the effects of father loss that he had to go through.
00:37:04.980 And I'm sure ramifications that he is still dealing with to his, to this day.
00:37:10.000 And yet the Lord has used him, has used his testimony to bring others to himself.
00:37:16.940 And I'm so thankful for that.
00:37:18.400 So I hope that, uh, for the children, uh, of these two people who love these two men who
00:37:23.800 unfortunately will never know, um, never know their mother.
00:37:40.000 I saw this, uh, commentary on a, uh, medical study that was published in PubMed, um, in 2007,
00:37:52.560 or you can see it in PubMed in the National Library of Medicine.
00:37:57.500 And it's titled Cell Migration from Baby to Mother.
00:38:02.620 And, uh, Nargis Kisselbash, I think that's how you pronounce her name.
00:38:07.740 This is her commentary on that study that found that there, uh, are cells that migrate from
00:38:15.060 the baby in the womb to the mother and then back to the baby.
00:38:19.140 And just listen to the incredible effect in relationship, um, of the baby and the mom.
00:38:26.200 During pregnancy, some baby cells migrate into the mother's bloodstream and then return to
00:38:30.920 the child.
00:38:31.440 It's called mother fetal microchimerism for 41 weeks.
00:38:35.760 The cells mix and circulate back and forth.
00:38:38.240 And after the baby is born, many of these cells remain in the mother's body, leaving
00:38:43.160 a permanent imprint in the tissues, bones, brain, and skin of the baby to the mother.
00:38:48.240 And they often remain there for decades.
00:38:51.840 Every other, every other child a mother has will leave a similar imprint on her body.
00:38:56.540 Even if a pregnancy doesn't end, or if you have an abortion, these cells,
00:39:01.440 still migrate into the bloodstream.
00:39:04.320 Research has shown that if a mother's heart is injured, fetal cells will rush to the injury
00:39:09.480 site and transform into different types of cells that specialize in repairing the heart.
00:39:15.200 The child helps the mother repair while the mother builds the child.
00:39:19.280 This is often the reason why some diseases fade away during pregnancy.
00:39:22.980 It's amazing how the mother's body protects the baby at all costs, and the baby protects and
00:39:28.620 rebuilds the mother in return so they can safely develop and survive.
00:39:33.120 Let's think about pregnancy cravings for a moment.
00:39:35.720 What did the mother need that the child made her wish?
00:39:38.260 The studies also showed the presence of fetal cells in her mother's brain 18 years after birth.
00:39:46.220 How wonderful is this?
00:39:49.220 How incredible is God's design?
00:39:52.960 How necessary are moms that imprint on our bodies because of the children we have carried?
00:40:01.440 Think about the implications when we are talking about abortion.
00:40:08.120 The rejection not only of your child's body, but of your own body.
00:40:14.360 Because you have already had this kind of symbiotic healing relationship with them.
00:40:19.860 And yet, even as your child's cells have tried to heal you, you then kill that child.
00:40:27.600 How dark and demonic is that?
00:40:30.700 And how awful and evil, then, is surrogacy?
00:40:34.320 You become a part of that child.
00:40:36.100 That child becomes a part of you.
00:40:37.900 And then you rip that child away.
00:40:40.600 Again, not even giving the baby an opportunity to bond with the mother that he or she has become a part of.
00:40:46.340 I also read the other day, and as a mom of three, you think you've learned everything about baby development.
00:40:52.600 And then you learn something new, that a child, the baby, until about nine months old, sees the mother and feels that his or her mother is just a part of her body.
00:41:06.160 A part of his or her body.
00:41:08.760 They feel that they are basically still in the womb for the first few months of their life.
00:41:13.600 And I actually see this.
00:41:14.940 It is around nine months old that you watch your baby come to the realization that you've left the room, that they have been left with someone that is not you, whether it's like with a sibling or with a grandparent or with the dad.
00:41:30.820 And they all of a sudden are turning around and looking for a mom.
00:41:33.780 It's like they have developed the awareness that, oh, she is a separate entity that is not a part of my body.
00:41:40.520 She's not in the room anymore.
00:41:41.980 And I feel that loss.
00:41:43.940 The incredible, the incredible bond that God has created between the mom and the child.
00:41:49.780 And that is why historically fatherlessness has been a much bigger societal issue than motherlessness, because it is simply rare for a mother to just be able to sever that bond.
00:42:02.000 Are there bad mothers?
00:42:03.420 Of course there are.
00:42:04.940 Is there motherlessness?
00:42:06.760 Yes, but it is very rare.
00:42:08.680 It's becoming more prominent, though, because we are purposely manufacturing these motherless children because of the whims of gay men.
00:42:19.280 And that's what's going on here.
00:42:20.520 It's not something to be glorified or celebrated or to be commercialized as a podcast, but it's something to be mourned and to pray about.
00:42:30.500 So, all right, let's move into our next subject.
00:42:35.100 And that is the, again, commercialization of embryos and the trampoline upon the rights of these young babies made in the image of God.
00:42:48.080 But in this story, it comes in a different way.
00:42:52.160 And the headline is Erin Andrews, the sports reporter that a lot of you guys know.
00:42:57.120 She's very famous.
00:42:57.940 She is partnering with Infamil, committing $50,000 to support women struggling with infertility.
00:43:05.820 You're not alone.
00:43:07.140 Now, I do not have anything against, obviously, supporting women who struggle with infertility.
00:43:14.780 That is a heartbreaking condition.
00:43:17.260 It's a heartbreaking road to walk.
00:43:19.680 There are women I know who have suffered with infertility for decades.
00:43:24.680 There are women I know who, by the grace of God, their infertility, whatever was causing it, has been healed through natural methods and mechanisms.
00:43:34.980 They did not have to rely on IVF.
00:43:37.380 There are women I know who struggled with infertility.
00:43:39.380 They were told IVF is their only option.
00:43:41.960 They went through IVF.
00:43:43.080 They're thankful for their children, but they regret the process that they went through.
00:43:46.820 And so I've spoken to many women who have struggled with prolonged infertility.
00:43:50.820 This is a heartbreaking road.
00:43:52.020 And I commend Erin Andrews for having a heart for this.
00:43:55.540 Absolutely.
00:43:56.000 But this is not the way to support women.
00:44:01.700 So let me read the summary of this story.
00:44:05.180 She is an NFL sideline reporter for Fox Sports.
00:44:09.220 And she is entering into this partnership and initiative called the MAC Grant, and that is named after her son, that is committing $50,000 to BabyQuest.
00:44:19.940 This is a nonprofit organization that provides financial assistance to people who are unable to afford things like IVF.
00:44:28.480 So that's what she's doing.
00:44:29.740 She is offering money to couples to use in vitro fertilization.
00:44:35.160 So a little background on her own fertility journey.
00:44:38.580 She is married to Jarrett Stoll.
00:44:40.300 He is a former NHL player.
00:44:42.620 In 2016, her oncologist recommended that she and Stoll should freeze,
00:44:48.780 well, she should get her eggs retrieved, and they should make embryos together,
00:44:53.800 and they should freeze those embryos because she was sadly diagnosed with cervical cancer.
00:45:00.840 Andrews underwent two surgeries.
00:45:02.480 She was declared cancer-free, but they decided to move ahead with IVF in the event that the cancer returned.
00:45:13.140 And she did several rounds of IVF, nine rounds of IVF over nine years,
00:45:22.240 which I'm sure was so hard on her body, so hard on her mentally and spiritually.
00:45:26.260 But we can't forget the fact that we're also talking about the loss of life.
00:45:30.620 We're talking about the loss of life in an inherently risky process.
00:45:35.640 She said we lost twins via surrogacy, and that was really hard.
00:45:39.560 I really struggled mentally.
00:45:40.820 I didn't handle it very well.
00:45:42.060 I kind of tried to push it aside and act like everything was okay.
00:45:44.460 I'm sure that was absolutely awful.
00:45:47.220 She said I could not stop crying, she says,
00:45:50.860 when she found out that an embryo transfer had resulted in implantation,
00:45:56.100 and she became pregnant, and she eventually gave birth to that healthy baby and named him Mac.
00:46:03.660 She said, Mac was our golden embryo.
00:46:06.540 He was our last hope.
00:46:09.260 So a lot of loss for her emotionally, but again, a lot of physical loss of life of children,
00:46:17.640 again, all in service to the wants of adults.
00:46:21.280 Good wants to want a child, but doesn't justify this approach to creating life.
00:46:29.920 Now she is partnering with a company that is making it easier for people to create lots
00:46:37.600 of embryos, to eugenically select quote-unquote healthy embryos, to freeze embryos indefinitely.
00:46:44.900 We right now have over a million embryos on ice in the United States, which is just crazy.
00:46:51.980 There are so many quandaries that this can put people in.
00:46:56.100 And I've heard from many of you who are in one of these quandaries.
00:47:00.560 You realize now that it was wrong to go through IVF, and you have embryos left on ice.
00:47:06.560 You have, say, two to five embryos that you created with your husband,
00:47:11.460 and you can't have any more children physically.
00:47:16.120 Because of health complications or whatever it is, your body has just been through too much,
00:47:21.200 and so you don't know what to do.
00:47:23.080 You pay the freezer fee every month to keep these babies alive.
00:47:28.000 You feel bad doing that.
00:47:29.720 You can't stand the idea of adopting out your children because you don't know who they're
00:47:34.480 going to end up with.
00:47:35.320 In many cases, there are some private adoption situations where you can select
00:47:39.100 or you can be more involved in the process, and it's very direct.
00:47:43.640 But you don't know what kind of life they're going to live if you allow an adoption agency
00:47:51.300 to adopt out your children.
00:47:53.260 So that can be very hard.
00:47:54.740 And then some women are like, okay, but do I use a surrogate to try to carry my children,
00:48:01.140 to birth them?
00:48:01.980 And then you've got a whole other quandary there because you are renting the womb of another
00:48:06.460 woman.
00:48:07.240 And again, you're breaking the bond at birth.
00:48:08.820 And so it creates such a cascade of ethical problems.
00:48:12.320 And that is why I just say to you, if you are considering IVF, don't do it.
00:48:17.580 Just don't.
00:48:18.820 And I have a wonderful listener who I got to meet a few weeks ago who talked about how
00:48:24.760 her and her husband decided against IVF after years of infertility, in part because of information
00:48:30.760 that she heard on the show.
00:48:31.980 All glory to God for that.
00:48:33.480 And they just welcomed a beautiful baby boy via adoption.
00:48:36.720 And wow, that kid has just hit the jackpot because he has now wonderful, caring, loving
00:48:43.360 Christian parents who get to raise him.
00:48:46.540 And that broken situation was redeemed, not made perfect.
00:48:50.600 The ideal situation is that we are all raised by our biological mom and dad who love us.
00:48:55.040 But the next best option is adoption.
00:48:57.700 And she got to play a part in that, which is a beautiful earthly reflection of the gospel
00:49:02.320 that we Gentiles were grafted in.
00:49:04.400 We were adopted by a father.
00:49:07.460 And adoption here on earth is a wonderful reflection of that spiritual eternal reality for the Christian,
00:49:13.920 unlike IVF and the whole reproductive technology profit-driven industry.
00:49:19.960 We've talked about the bioethics of IVF in the past, but just a reminder that IVF has an overall
00:49:27.640 success rate of only 23%, the ratio of cycles to live births.
00:49:34.960 23% success rate for IVF only refers to the number of IVF cycles and not to the number of
00:49:41.100 embryos created in each cycle.
00:49:43.260 There's no broad recommendations or laws that dictate the number of embryos created in an average
00:49:48.660 IVF cycle, nor are there any laws that require clinics to report how many they create.
00:49:57.740 That is not true throughout the world.
00:50:00.060 America is the wild, wild west of reproductive technology.
00:50:04.840 In places like France, in Canada, in Italy, in the UK, there are much tighter restrictions
00:50:11.740 and regulations around surrogacy and egg retrieval and IVF.
00:50:17.380 It would be much better for us to at least move in that direction.
00:50:20.300 But unfortunately, America is the place for profit.
00:50:24.440 And we very often put profit over ethics.
00:50:28.440 And so I think this is an unfortunate partnership for Erin Andrews.
00:50:31.860 I understand why she wants to do it.
00:50:33.720 But again, this is just the glorification of the commercialization of human life.
00:50:38.200 Technology, as we've often said, when it takes us from what is natural to what is possible,
00:50:43.300 Christians, have the obligation to ask, but is this moral?
00:50:48.140 But is this biblical?
00:50:49.480 We live in a very disordered society where we sacrifice the well-being of the weakest,
00:50:55.300 of the voiceless, and the powerless children for the wants of the most powerful.
00:51:00.220 We saw that during COVID too.
00:51:02.200 It's because children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments.
00:51:06.240 Reproductive technology is another example of that.
00:51:10.120 And we just need to catch up.
00:51:12.060 Christians, evangelicals, we've got to catch up on this issue.
00:51:15.520 These little baby lives matter.
00:51:17.980 They matter just as much as the babies in the womb who are being considered for abortion.
00:51:24.840 How we treat the most vulnerable among us matters.
00:51:29.080 And Christians have to be a champion of the most vulnerable as we have since our inception.
00:51:34.480 We can't turn a blind eye to this just because it is uncomfortable.
00:51:38.180 And again, please don't interpret this as hate for anyone who has gone through these reproductive
00:51:43.340 technologies.
00:51:44.160 I just have learned too much about this.
00:51:46.900 I mean, when you have talked to, for example, if we're talking about surrogacy, when you have
00:51:51.600 talked to a woman who was forced contractually, legally by two men to have an abortion or to
00:52:00.400 allow the child to be born prematurely and to not get any medical help because these two
00:52:08.580 quote unquote dads decided that they no longer wanted the baby their surrogate was carrying
00:52:14.900 because that baby might have some kind of health complications.
00:52:18.100 When you hear stories like that, that's not the only story that I've heard like that.
00:52:22.240 It is really hard not to passionately preach against evil practices like that.
00:52:29.140 There's so much more corruption than we even know and talk about on the show.
00:52:32.980 That's why it matters.
00:52:46.060 All right.
00:52:47.300 That's really all we have time for today.
00:52:49.540 We have so much more on my document, on my research document that I didn't get to.
00:52:53.960 But as always, there is so much more to discuss than we actually have time to talk about on
00:53:02.820 this show.
00:53:03.400 We've got a lot of good episodes coming up next week, some subjects that you guys have
00:53:08.320 been asking me to dive into that we just haven't had the chance to yet that we will get into
00:53:14.260 next week.
00:53:14.960 And I'm super excited about that.
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