Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 11, 2024


Ep 1017 ｜ Dr. Tony Evans Steps Down Over Secret Sin


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55 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Tony Evans, the pastor of a megachurch in Dallas, has stepped down from his role because of a secret sin. Also, the Southern Baptist Convention is meeting this week in their annual conference and the resolutions they are going over could potentially have a big impact not just on the denomination, but on this political and cultural moment as a whole. Also we ve got updates on Campus Crusade for Christ and their very troubling developments when it comes to the curriculum they are offering their staff. We ve got all that and more on today s episode of Relatable.


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00:00:00.000 Dr. Tony Evans, the pastor of a megachurch in Dallas, has stepped down from his role because of a secret sin.
00:00:08.280 Also, the Southern Baptist Convention is meeting this week in their annual conference.
00:00:13.080 Their amendment, the resolutions they are going over could potentially have a big impact,
00:00:18.140 not just on the denomination, but on this political and cultural moment as a whole.
00:00:23.820 Also, we've got updates on Campus Crusade for Christ and their very troubling developments.
00:00:30.000 When it comes to the curriculum that they are offering their staff, we've got all that and more on today's episode of Relatable.
00:00:35.980 It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie at checkout. That's GoodRanchers.com. Code Allie.
00:00:51.660 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far, a wonderful summer so far.
00:01:00.000 All right, today we are diving into all things church-related and even Baptist-related more specifically.
00:01:08.800 Yesterday, I saw the news on X that Tony Evans is stepping down from his pastoral role.
00:01:16.140 This is a really big deal.
00:01:17.980 Dr. Tony Evans is the longtime pastor of Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship, a large church, a mega church even, in Dallas.
00:01:26.900 And he has stepped down from his role because of a secret past sin.
00:01:33.060 And I say a secret sin because in the statement that he released on his website and that now has been widely circulated,
00:01:42.040 he really doesn't say what this past sin was that has now come to light and has caused him to step down.
00:01:50.400 So here is an excerpt of that statement.
00:01:53.700 And the excerpt is pretty long, but this is only about a third of what he said in total.
00:01:59.220 The foundation of our ministry, he writes, has always been our commitment to the Word of God
00:02:04.160 as the absolute supreme standard of truth to which we are to conform our lives.
00:02:09.160 When we fall short of that standard due to sin, we are required to repent and restore our relationship with God.
00:02:14.760 A number of years ago, I fell short of that standard.
00:02:18.420 I am, therefore, required to apply the same biblical standard of repentance and restoration to myself that I have applied to others.
00:02:25.800 I have shared this with my wife, my children, and our church elders, and they have lovingly placed their arms of grace around me.
00:02:32.480 While I have committed no crime, I did not use righteous judgment in my actions.
00:02:36.740 In light of this, I am stepping away from my pastoral duties and am submitting to a healing and restoration process established by the elders.
00:02:43.900 This will afford me a needed time of spiritual recovery and healing.
00:02:48.940 So there are a lot of guesses that we could probably make if it wasn't something that was criminal.
00:02:54.780 That means it probably wasn't financial.
00:02:57.620 And so we can maybe deduce what possibly happened here, but we just don't know.
00:03:02.960 He hasn't offered any specificity here.
00:03:05.620 No matter what it is, the fact that he is stepping down from this role is really significant.
00:03:11.040 This is a blow to a lot of people.
00:03:12.560 This is obviously a blow to his church.
00:03:15.400 His impact is huge.
00:03:16.900 He has pastored this congregation for almost 50 years.
00:03:21.260 Most of us cannot imagine doing the same thing for 50 years.
00:03:25.280 Of course, that's a lot longer than I've even been alive.
00:03:28.320 So being committed to any vocation, but certainly the demands of ministry, it's very impressive.
00:03:35.680 Just that number speaks for itself.
00:03:37.540 He has also led a teaching ministry for more than 40 years called The Urban Alternative.
00:03:42.800 It's reached millions of people around the world.
00:03:45.260 He's done a lot of good work over the years.
00:03:48.440 I'm not someone who has listened to him or read him consistently, but I did start paying attention to him more over the past several years as he has very intentionally spoken into the political climate and the political, cultural, social moment that we're in.
00:04:06.900 He has done so, I think, with a lot of care and a lot of intentionality.
00:04:11.100 I don't know that I would say that I've agreed with everything that he has said, but I can commend him for the courage that it takes to step into these very controversial waters.
00:04:22.780 A lot of pastors, when a lot of pastors are too cowardly to do that, they don't want to shepherd their congregations in that way, even when their congregations are demanding clarity, are demanding to be led, to be helped navigate these turbulent waters of the culture and political wars.
00:04:42.160 A lot of pastors, a lot of pastors say, nope, I don't want to offend people, I don't want to make people mad, so I'm just not going to speak to that or I'm going to dance around it.
00:04:50.880 And he didn't do that.
00:04:52.600 And I appreciate that about him.
00:04:55.800 Other pastors will jump wholesale into the progressive narrative because that's the popular thing to do.
00:05:00.800 And he also didn't do that.
00:05:03.000 There are multiple things, I'm sure, maybe theologically, politically, that we don't agree on, but I know a lot of people have really been positively impacted by the work that God has done through his ministry, and I'm thankful to that or for that.
00:05:18.600 All that to say, I do think, from my perspective, take that for what it's worth, that he owes his congregation more clarity than his statement gave.
00:05:31.180 He may not owe the internet clarity, but I do think that he owes his congregation specificity.
00:05:38.940 I remember a couple years ago, we talked about it on this show, when Matt Chandler had to come forward and say that he had fallen short of the biblical standard for a Christian, the biblical standard for a husband and a pastor.
00:05:55.880 He stepped down from his pastoral position because of that.
00:05:59.380 And he had to say what he had done, which was engage in messages with a woman at his church that were not sexual in nature, but he described them as too familiar, as maybe bordering on flirtatious, just not appropriate for married people, coarse joking.
00:06:21.820 And he had to admit this, and he had to admit this, and he had to admit this, confess this in front of his congregation.
00:06:26.320 And this was put online, and of course, it was talked about in the media.
00:06:31.520 I'm sure that that was not easy.
00:06:33.900 That was not easy for him.
00:06:35.540 That takes a lot of humility.
00:06:37.600 It was not easy for his family, I'm sure.
00:06:41.160 But I see that as part of the consequence of unwise choices, especially when you are in a position of shepherding and authority.
00:06:51.980 That is part of the repercussions of not acting in a way that exemplifies the self-control and the above reproach way of life that really we're all supposed to lead as Christians, but again, especially pastors.
00:07:09.820 So I don't think pastors, as I said, are obligated to confess to every single person on earth, but yes to the congregation that you lead.
00:07:19.920 So maybe Dr. Evans will be more specific and clear about that to them in the future.
00:07:26.180 I'm not sure.
00:07:27.180 Maybe they have their reasons right now for the vagueness, but just from my vantage point reading what I've read, I think that he owes more specificity than this.
00:07:37.700 The euphemisms just cause, I think, a lot of confusion and even more instability, a lot of questions, unfortunately, rumors, gossip, and things like that.
00:07:48.260 So I hope that he clarifies.
00:07:50.720 But whatever that looks like, we should pray for Dr. Evans.
00:07:54.540 Pray for his church.
00:07:55.540 We should pray that Evans, that he would be sanctified, that he would be built up by God's grace, that he would be spurred towards holiness.
00:08:03.680 Pray for his family, pray for their strength, pray that the gospel continues to go out from his ministry, all the resources that they've created over the past half century, that it would go out unhindered.
00:08:16.900 That his congregants would not waver even a centimeter in their faith, that they would remember that Christ is the anchor, that he is the author and the finisher of our faith.
00:08:31.500 Our faith rests upon a perfect Savior who will never let us down, who will never fail to meet the standard on our behalf,
00:08:40.240 and who will never ever fail us in any way.
00:08:48.340 We don't rest our faith upon imperfect pastors or teachers or politicians or influencers.
00:08:56.960 Our faith rests upon Christ.
00:08:59.960 Hebrews 13.8 says that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
00:09:06.980 And praise God that we worship someone who is perfectly holy, that he who knew no sin became sin so that we could become the righteousness of God.
00:09:18.580 That is where our faith, our steadfast assurance comes from right there.
00:09:25.540 And keep this in mind.
00:09:26.880 This is important for all of us to keep in mind.
00:09:29.980 1 Peter 5.8-10.
00:09:31.640 Be sober-minded, be watchful.
00:09:34.760 Sober-minded and watchful.
00:09:36.880 Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
00:09:43.880 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.
00:09:52.880 There's so much comfort in that.
00:09:54.540 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
00:10:08.280 The devil is your enemy, prowling around like a lion, looking for someone to attack, to devour.
00:10:14.740 So every time we are tempted towards sin, whether it be gossip, whether it be lust, whether it be adultery, theft, deceit, whatever it is, that feeling that we have that, yes, that would satisfy my flesh, that would satisfy my longings right now.
00:10:32.220 Just remember that that temptation, that pull that you are feeling towards that sin is from someone who hates you, who wants to destroy you, destroy your witness, harm you physically, mentally, spiritually, destroy your family, hurt your community, because that's what Satan does.
00:10:53.260 He brings chaos.
00:10:54.580 He brings destruction.
00:10:55.620 So every time you are tempted towards sin, as good as that sin might feel in the moment, know that it is coming from someone who wants to kill you and destroy you.
00:11:07.960 That can change our perspective on things.
00:11:10.680 And God does not tell us to do anything in his word that he cannot then empower us to do.
00:11:17.160 Yes, it might seem impossible to resist whatever sin or to overcome whatever obstacle is in front of you.
00:11:24.680 But through God, all things are possible.
00:11:27.680 He will equip us to resist that sin.
00:11:30.980 So it's a good reminder, a humbling reminder for all of us that no one is above that temptation.
00:11:37.180 But thankfully, God gives us the power to resist that sin.
00:11:40.760 All right.
00:11:54.360 So the Southern Baptist Convention is meeting right now.
00:11:58.960 They're meeting in Indianapolis, which as an aside, Indianapolis Airport is in my top five favorite airports.
00:12:06.480 So for everyone who is flying into Indianapolis right now, that's great.
00:12:11.060 I'm really happy for you.
00:12:12.380 If you've never flown into the Indianapolis Airport and you are this week, don't you agree that it is one of the best airports ever?
00:12:21.420 That, GSP, Love Field, those are the best.
00:12:25.620 Worst.
00:12:27.580 Charlotte, Orlando, Atlanta.
00:12:31.000 Yeah.
00:12:31.340 So that's that on that.
00:12:32.940 I can't talk about Indianapolis without talking about the fact that it makes my top five favorite airports.
00:12:40.520 But also, the SBC is meeting there this week.
00:12:42.920 They've got their annual conference and they meet every year to go over things like amendments and resolutions and to make sure that all of the churches are generally on the same page.
00:12:52.640 There is a lot that goes on there, a lot of drama.
00:12:54.960 They vote on the SBC president, all that good stuff.
00:12:57.600 We've covered that over the past few years.
00:13:00.340 And there is typically some kind of culture war question that is being debated at these conferences, especially in the last several years.
00:13:12.220 They've debated Resolution 9, critical race theory, what the Southern Baptist Convention believes about critical race theory.
00:13:21.640 And they've also, over the past couple of years, had a debate about female pastors.
00:13:27.740 This is really kind of an age-old debate.
00:13:30.680 This is something that has been debated in the SBC for a long time, even though the Baptist faith and message, which is just the statement of beliefs of the Southern Baptist Church, is very clear on this.
00:13:46.020 It says, while both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor, elder, overseer is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.
00:13:57.700 And they are citing 1 Timothy 2.09-14, 3.1-5, 4.14, when it comes to that and some of the other things in this segment of the Baptist faith and message.
00:14:08.160 So technically, the Baptist faith and message, the Southern Baptist Convention, is officially very clear on this.
00:14:15.760 They are a complementary, like complementarianism is what I mean by that, a denomination for the most part.
00:14:25.540 And yet there are churches that are a part of this denomination, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the country, very influential, has a lot of impact in politics as well, that do have female pastors.
00:14:39.620 This was a big deal last year when the SBC decided that Rick Warren's huge church in California, Saddleback, was no longer in friendly cooperation with the denomination because they had a female pastor.
00:14:54.760 And Rick Warren came out very explicitly and loudly in favor of female pastors.
00:15:00.440 And so now they are looking at something called the Law Amendment introduced by a pastor named Mike Law of Arlington, Virginia.
00:15:10.020 And here's what Religion News, this news source, says about it.
00:15:14.760 Southern Baptists could take the debate over women pastors to a new dimension as the nation's largest denomination holds its annual meeting this week in Indianapolis.
00:15:23.520 Local church representatives or messengers will be asked to vote a second time to amend the Southern Baptist Convention Constitution.
00:15:30.040 To state that one way a church is considered to be in, quote, unquote, friendly cooperation is if it, quote, affirms, appoints, or employs only men as any kind of pastor or elder as qualified by scripture.
00:15:45.600 At last year's annual SBC gathering, messengers affirmed the decision to no longer affiliate with the well-known Saddleback Church due to its pastors on staff as well as a Kentucky church led by a woman.
00:15:56.820 So the reason that Pastor Mike Law of Arlington, Virginia, has introduced this clarifying amendment that would amend the Constitution if it gets enough votes is this.
00:16:08.080 He said, when an unbeliever looks for a Southern Baptist church in my area, we want them to find a church that holds the Bible's teachings and our convention's beliefs.
00:16:16.540 And I would say it's not just an unbeliever.
00:16:18.700 Like, if I moved to a new city and I decided, okay, like, I want to go to a Baptist church somewhere in my area because I am Southern Baptist, been Southern Baptist my whole life.
00:16:31.180 Like, I would just want to be able to trust that, okay, that Southern Baptist church is going to align with scripture, align with what the Bible says about female pastors, female teachers.
00:16:42.040 And so I understand the need for clarification.
00:16:45.720 Some people are saying the law amendment is not necessary because the Baptist faith and message already says what I read to you, but clearly it does need to be clarified.
00:16:54.440 And it's adding this that not only does it need to be clarified, but it's also saying that if you have a female pastor at a church, you are no longer going to be in friendly cooperation with the SBC.
00:17:05.540 So there are a lot of people, clearly, who are in support of this.
00:17:10.780 1 Timothy 2.12-13 says,
00:17:12.720 I do not permit a woman to teach her to exercise authority over a man.
00:17:16.060 Rather, she is to remain quiet.
00:17:18.080 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
00:17:21.880 And that is speaking in the context of preaching, teaching over men in congregation.
00:17:29.420 Now, there is debate over whether that, how narrow that is.
00:17:35.040 Is that just in the local church on Sunday mornings?
00:17:39.220 Is that also, does that mean or include preaching at conferences?
00:17:45.940 There is some debate over the broadness of this, the narrowness of this.
00:17:50.660 We've talked about that, gotten into all of that on this podcast before.
00:17:54.980 But that's not really what this law amendment is about.
00:17:58.720 It's not even really talking about complementarian versus egalitarian in that regard.
00:18:04.100 It's not talking about the broadness or the narrowness of 1 Timothy 2.12.
00:18:08.280 To my understanding, anyway, it's just talking about the office of pastor.
00:18:13.260 And if a church has a woman that is filling the office of pastor, they are going against
00:18:17.540 the Baptist faith and message.
00:18:19.100 They are clearly going against scripture when it describes what this office is supposed to be.
00:18:24.700 And so, they can simply not be qualified as a Southern Baptist church.
00:18:30.400 So, of course, there's going to be plenty of debate about that online.
00:18:37.520 There certainly are a number of churches and a number of clergy people within the Southern
00:18:43.820 Baptist Convention who believe that it's fine for a woman to hold the office of a pastor.
00:18:49.600 It's common in a few different kinds of churches, but a lot of predominantly Black churches that
00:18:57.180 are associated with the Southern Baptist Convention have a female pastor, or like the wife of the
00:19:03.440 pastor will be called pastor, or even the woman that's over the children's ministry, like
00:19:09.020 she might be called pastor.
00:19:11.260 And so, there's just, there's a lot of discussion about what the consequences of this, what the
00:19:19.340 consequences of this will be.
00:19:20.880 So, that's something that you can look out for over the past couple of days.
00:19:24.340 I think it's probably expected to pass that this will become an amendment to the Constitution.
00:19:30.240 Personally, I think that that's right, that that clarity obviously is necessary because
00:19:38.400 a woman is not supposed to hold the office of a pastor.
00:19:40.840 Women are valuable.
00:19:41.940 They have so much to offer to the church, and the Holy Spirit has empowered and specially
00:19:46.700 equipped so many women to contribute to the cause of the gospel and to advance the kingdom.
00:19:52.100 But as 1 Timothy 2.12 says, it is rooted in creation why women are not supposed to be pastors
00:19:59.860 and exercise in authority over men in church.
00:20:03.640 Then there is also the IVF resolution.
00:20:07.780 And let me just, before I even say what the IVF resolution is, let me clarify something.
00:20:12.680 Let me define our term.
00:20:13.760 So, what is a resolution?
00:20:15.140 A resolution is a non-binding statement that expresses the collective will of the messengers
00:20:20.840 present at that SBC annual meeting.
00:20:24.060 Even if a resolution is passed unanimously, no entity and no individual is actually required
00:20:30.360 to abide by it.
00:20:32.220 So, there could be a pastor that disagrees with what this resolution says.
00:20:36.960 That doesn't mean they're not in friendly cooperation with the SBC.
00:20:42.960 Obviously, an amendment is a much bigger deal because it is supposed to be a binding part
00:20:48.060 of the Constitution that all of the churches are to adhere to.
00:20:51.600 And a resolution is just saying, look, this is what the SBC officially believes.
00:20:58.040 And of course, we would like everyone to abide by this.
00:21:01.560 But this is the official position of the SBC.
00:21:05.520 This is the explanation given by USA Today.
00:21:09.240 The SBC's vote on the IVF resolution at the denomination's annual meeting next week.
00:21:13.920 They say next week.
00:21:15.000 It's happening right now.
00:21:16.220 In many ways, it aligns with many Southern Baptist values.
00:21:19.840 But it would also represent an affirmation of an idea championed by a select few thought
00:21:24.440 leaders.
00:21:25.240 The SBC resolutions committee recommended the measure for approval after receiving a draft
00:21:29.100 submitted by Al Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and Southern
00:21:33.520 Seminary Ethics professor Andrew Walker.
00:21:35.780 We had Andrew Walker on a couple of weeks ago.
00:21:38.140 We've had Dr. Mohler on as well.
00:21:41.100 The proposed resolution for the 2024 SBC annual meeting calls on Southern Baptist to advocate
00:21:46.260 for the government to restrain actions inconsistent with the dignity and value of every human
00:21:51.260 being, which necessarily includes frozen embryonic human beings.
00:21:55.460 This would mean, for example, that the SBC would absolutely oppose the legislation that
00:22:01.960 is being put forward by Katie Britt of Alabama and Ted Cruz of Texas that's trying to secure
00:22:10.240 the quote unquote right of IVF.
00:22:12.080 You can go back and listen to that episode if you are interested in hearing what that legislation
00:22:17.260 is and, of course, why I think we should oppose it.
00:22:20.060 And Dr. Mohler has spoken about IVF and what the Christian position should be on IVF for a
00:22:26.600 really long time, even when it's been really unpopular among evangelicals to do so.
00:22:31.980 He wrote a few weeks ago an article in World Magazine called In Defense of Frozen Children.
00:22:40.080 And he said this,
00:22:41.860 The blunt and unavoidable question is this, do pro-lifers really believe that unborn children
00:22:46.580 are children?
00:22:47.520 If not, we have been lying.
00:22:49.300 If we really do believe this, how do we reckon with millions of frozen children locked in an
00:22:53.800 indefinite freeze and destined for destruction due to IVF procedures?
00:22:58.040 Many evangelical Christians do not want some issues to be addressed.
00:23:02.040 We understand the desire for a baby and honor it, but IVF technology requires the moral alienation
00:23:07.280 of goods that God intended to come together.
00:23:09.960 A man plus a woman plus marriage is the right context for children to emerge with no moral
00:23:14.140 complications.
00:23:15.360 Any alienation from that context brings at the very least moral risk.
00:23:19.460 He goes on to explain exactly what those risks are.
00:23:22.420 We've talked about them many times on this podcast.
00:23:25.300 And, you know, I understand that it might seem to some of you like we talk about IVF too much.
00:23:33.640 Why do we bring this up so much?
00:23:35.160 I don't bring it up randomly.
00:23:37.360 We're not talking about it just because I feel like it.
00:23:41.240 If you haven't noticed, IVF and surrogacy have been in the news more than they ever have.
00:23:47.340 We have more celebrities, more influential people coming out and glorifying these reproductive
00:23:53.500 practices.
00:23:54.860 And because I think so many Christians, including myself a few years ago, are so behind on this
00:24:01.340 issue that is a matter of life and death for the most vulnerable, we need to talk about it a lot.
00:24:08.380 It's not my desire.
00:24:09.360 I don't really like desire to talk about it.
00:24:11.780 It's not the funnest thing to talk about.
00:24:14.040 And there are plenty of times when it's in the news or a lot of you are sending me a
00:24:19.020 video about something to do with surrogacy or IVF that I don't talk about it because I'm
00:24:23.400 like, oh, we already talked about it this week or we talked about it last week.
00:24:26.380 And of course, I don't want to exhaust you with the same thing over and over again.
00:24:29.680 But for anyone who might have a complaint and a complaint is different than feedback, by
00:24:33.760 the way, I invite feedback, but I don't like whininess.
00:24:39.000 And so if you are concerned about something or how we're talking about something or how much
00:24:44.020 we're talking about something, you, of course, can let me know, but also understand that
00:24:47.860 there's probably a good reason for it.
00:24:50.240 There aren't that many people on the right who talk about this.
00:24:53.500 There aren't that many evangelical Christians who talk about this.
00:24:57.380 There are a few of us, and I think it's really important for us to navigate this.
00:25:02.400 So we will be talking, by the way, with a doctor who used to be an IVF doctor, and she's
00:25:08.820 going to take us through the entire scientific and medical process, what actually happens,
00:25:14.020 all of the unknowns that the public doesn't really get about IVF, and then why she ended
00:25:20.200 up going into natural fertility medicine that has helped so many women get pregnant in a much
00:25:28.260 more ethical way.
00:25:29.380 We're going to be doing that soon, just from a different perspective.
00:25:32.520 But just FYI, that's why we have talked about this as often as we have, and that's why this
00:25:39.420 is going on at the SBC right now.
00:25:41.800 And so we're not alone in thinking, wow, this is a lot more of a prominent issue than it
00:25:48.520 has been in the past.
00:25:49.460 Yeah, it's being voted on by the largest denomination in the country because this is something that
00:25:54.980 is being debated more than ever.
00:25:57.420 So I say great for Al Mohler, great for Andrew Walker.
00:26:01.140 This is something that the SBC does need to come together on.
00:26:05.100 And so these are the issues to watch.
00:26:07.240 These are the things that you can be looking out for.
00:26:10.260 It might not have any direct effect on your church or on your life, but it does tell us
00:26:16.720 where Christianity and where evangelicalism is and is going in the United States.
00:26:22.740 And because evangelicalism, Protestantism in general, but especially evangelicalism, has
00:26:29.040 such a huge impact on culture and politics and social issues, it's really important to
00:26:37.960 pay attention to the SBC, whether you're associated with it or not.
00:26:42.580 All right, more that's happening in the Christian world.
00:26:59.860 And that is the goings on at Crewe, formerly Campus Crusade for Christ.
00:27:05.940 We discussed this originally on episode 960.
00:27:10.460 Actually, that might have not been originally, but that was the last time we talked about
00:27:14.560 what's going on at Crewe.
00:27:16.780 We have talked about, for example, Rosaria Butterfield's comments at a Liberty University
00:27:22.820 convocation when she called out Crewe for compromising on the issue of LGBTQ and using quote unquote
00:27:30.320 pronoun politeness.
00:27:31.780 She called out people like Preston Sprinkle, who she saw as really wavering on this and
00:27:39.320 being unbiblical on the LGBTQ issue.
00:27:42.820 He also has issued public statements, by the way, defending himself against those accusations.
00:27:47.860 And you can read both sides of that if you would like.
00:27:50.880 That's all out there.
00:27:51.860 And we might have even talked about his response to that on this show if you go back and listen
00:27:58.160 to those episodes.
00:27:59.480 But we also discussed some curriculum that had been leaked by Crewe that seemed to contradict
00:28:09.800 what the Bible says about human sexuality and the Christian obligation to speak truth.
00:28:16.600 For example, that curriculum, which really wasn't supposed to publicly circulate, but it did,
00:28:21.480 said that it is an okay position to use someone's preferred pronouns if a man says that he wants
00:28:33.000 to go by she, if you are doing so for the purpose of evangelism.
00:28:38.900 They presented that as an option.
00:28:41.440 They did not say that that's their position that we should be using those preferred pronouns,
00:28:47.080 but that is an option.
00:28:49.560 That could be a respectful option to try to win someone to Christ.
00:28:54.540 And they also have emphasized the perspective or given light to the perspective in this LGBTQ
00:29:03.740 curriculum that homosexual behavior may be disordered and sinful, but homosexual attraction
00:29:13.060 is not necessarily sin.
00:29:15.540 Of course, I believe that both of those perspectives are wrong, that we are not going to win someone
00:29:21.940 to Christ by lying to them, by deceiving them and affirming a deception about who they are
00:29:30.340 and what their body is.
00:29:32.840 I'm not saying that you have to go out of your way to offend them, but there is a way to lovingly
00:29:38.740 and kindly and gently tell the truth about who someone is.
00:29:43.320 And I always think of Laura Perry Smalt, who shared her testimony on this couch and she transitioned
00:29:50.040 so-called into a man named Jake and her parents and her parents' friends at their Christian
00:29:57.040 conservative church just never gave into it.
00:29:59.480 Even when she looked like a man, never called her Jake, never called her he, him, who were
00:30:06.020 the people that she ran to after she came to Christ and realized that she was lying to herself
00:30:11.620 and had destroyed her body in some ways?
00:30:15.820 She ran to her parents who always affirmed the truth about who she was and how God created
00:30:23.100 her to be.
00:30:23.860 She found refuge and acceptance after her repentance and reawakening in that church that had always
00:30:33.420 affirmed who she was as a woman, as Laura.
00:30:37.720 And so I think that we are much more powerful when we don't waver, when we don't affirm the
00:30:45.300 thing that is killing someone.
00:30:47.020 So I don't think that that is a neutral possibility or option that should be presented by an evangelism
00:30:54.320 organization to the people within the organization.
00:30:59.440 It's just not.
00:31:00.240 It's not a biblical option.
00:31:02.940 And then you also have this idea that homosexual desire is neutral.
00:31:08.320 And it's also not neutral because we read in Romans 1 that the desire, the homosexual attraction
00:31:15.640 is disordered.
00:31:17.960 Now, that doesn't mean that someone who is attracted to the same sex is irredeemable.
00:31:24.460 Not at all.
00:31:25.700 That's not the biblical position.
00:31:28.740 But it is also wrong to say that our attractions are neutral, that there's no such thing as
00:31:34.560 an ordered attraction or an ordered desire or a disordered one.
00:31:38.260 According to Romans 1, our attractions can be actually unnatural and disordered.
00:31:44.200 And so that's where I disagreed.
00:31:46.520 That's where a lot of Christians disagreed with Crew's curriculum.
00:31:50.860 And some of the employees at Crew also took issue with this curriculum, including a couple
00:31:56.840 named Uriah and Marissa Mundell.
00:31:59.360 They live and work in Austin.
00:32:02.000 They voiced their concerns several months ago over Crew's mandatory gender and sexuality
00:32:06.380 curriculum for staff.
00:32:09.200 And they spoke to a World Magazine reporter in a story that was published on February 22nd.
00:32:17.840 And then two weeks later, the organization terminated their employment, saying that we
00:32:27.120 know that Crew's position on biblical sexuality is an area of deep concern for you.
00:32:31.600 It is important that you realize you can hold your views and continue to serve with Crew as
00:32:36.120 long as they don't conflict with our statement of faith or our missionary vows.
00:32:42.620 The organization's first two missionary vows include affirming Jesus Christ is my Savior
00:32:47.500 and Lord, and the Bible is the inspired and inerrant word of God, and I willingly submit
00:32:52.160 to the authority of God's word.
00:32:54.540 But the vow that they were told that they broke was the sixth missionary vow of Crew, which
00:33:00.240 says, I pledge to work for the peace and the unity of Crew.
00:33:05.300 So they went with the Martin Luther approach, which is peace, if possible, truth at all costs.
00:33:12.460 And so they were abiding by the first two missionary vows.
00:33:16.260 But they said, I guess if I have to sacrifice unity, which I'm sure was not their desire in
00:33:23.360 order to stand for what God's word says is true, then I guess I'm going to have to break
00:33:29.480 that vow.
00:33:30.500 And I'm not saying what they actually said, but judging by their actions, that seemed to
00:33:36.600 be their thinking.
00:33:38.420 Last year, after completing the ministry's new mandatory sexuality training, the Mundells
00:33:42.620 said they raised their concerns with their supervisors, the HR department, other crew leaders,
00:33:47.240 including the director of theological development, Keith Johnson.
00:33:51.380 Each time they said their concerns were dismissed.
00:33:55.420 The Mundells questioned whether it is scriptural for Crew to allow staff to adopt LGBT identity
00:34:00.360 labels, including identifying as quote unquote gay Christian.
00:34:04.180 That is language that Preston Sprinkle, who helped develop this curriculum, uses often or using
00:34:10.240 a person's preferred pronouns and to refer to same-sex attraction as a disordering of sexual
00:34:18.540 desire, not sin.
00:34:21.840 So let me clarify that.
00:34:24.220 So they do describe same-sex attraction as a disordering of sexual desire.
00:34:32.180 So it did sound like earlier I was saying that they didn't say that.
00:34:35.600 But what they won't go so far as to say is that it is actually a sin.
00:34:41.320 And so they've narrowed kind of the definition of sin there.
00:34:44.600 And that is what the Mundells had an issue with, again, going back to how Romans 1 describes
00:34:51.300 what those unnatural desires are, which is also sin.
00:34:56.440 Now we have some updates on Crew's LGBT training.
00:35:00.780 And not only their LGBT training that they are showing their staff, but also training
00:35:05.960 that includes social and racial justice themes.
00:35:10.340 So this is according to Enemies Within the Church.
00:35:14.260 I wasn't really familiar with this outlet before.
00:35:17.480 They say that this is actually a film that encourages the church to cleanse itself from
00:35:21.460 contamination imposed by cultural Marxism and a heretical teaching known as the social
00:35:25.600 justice gospel.
00:35:27.440 And so this is an entity that looked into Crew's curriculum and highlighted a lot of the
00:35:32.780 problematic aspects of it.
00:35:36.880 So as a refresher, in 2021, Crew started developing its new sexuality training called Compassionate
00:35:42.500 and Faithful to help equip staff to navigate challenges around the LGBTQ issues.
00:35:48.520 Crew insists that it wants to meet those challenges while remaining faithful to the Bible.
00:35:54.000 But of course, as I've already explained, there are people who are concerned that they're
00:35:58.160 not actually trying to remain faithful to the Bible.
00:36:00.820 And they have kind of taken on this side B Christianity.
00:36:05.340 Maybe you've heard of this side B, side A, there's side X, there's side Y.
00:36:10.480 And Preston Sprinkle, and it seems like the curriculum that we see in Crew is side B Christianity.
00:36:18.520 So let me explain that.
00:36:19.860 This is according to gotquestions.com.
00:36:22.120 And so I think that it's a pretty good and accurate summary of what it is.
00:36:27.540 So side B believers hold that homosexual orientation is not a sin, but acting on those
00:36:32.680 inclinations is, takes the position that sexual relationships between people of the same
00:36:36.320 sex are morally wrong, but romantic relationships are different.
00:36:39.840 So celibate same-sex partners are not necessarily wrong.
00:36:43.880 Queer individuals can maintain their sexual identity and even celebrate it while remaining celibate.
00:36:48.840 Proponents of this view say that homosexuality is no different than any other sin.
00:36:52.740 Also, every human on earth is sexual attractions that fall outside of God's design.
00:36:56.800 So side B Christians encourage all believers either to marry a member of the opposite sex
00:37:00.480 or if they are same-sex attracted, to live celibately and get involved in an understanding church
00:37:05.640 community.
00:37:06.660 Then you've got side A. I know it seems like I'm going out of order here, but side A Christians
00:37:11.160 believe that God intentionally created queer people with same-sex attractions.
00:37:14.200 Therefore, and I can't even call this Christianity, but therefore, same-sex relationships are blessed
00:37:20.260 by God.
00:37:20.820 Side A is commonly called the affirming view, and I don't think I have to explain the rest
00:37:25.220 of that.
00:37:25.880 You understand.
00:37:26.720 So that's completely disregarding what the Word of God actually says about the definition
00:37:31.800 of marriage, what it says about sexual immorality and sin.
00:37:35.220 And then you've got side X.
00:37:36.340 You've got side X.
00:37:37.060 Most Christians believe that homosexual attraction itself is a sin.
00:37:41.060 Those with same-sex inclinations must repent, for heterosexuality is God's purpose for all
00:37:47.240 people.
00:37:48.520 So that's what side X believes.
00:37:50.280 God can and does change sinful attractions, and homosexuals can be cured.
00:37:54.260 Side X uses terms such as ex-gay, former LGBTQ.
00:37:58.340 According to side X teachers, the phrasing in Leviticus 1822 and 2013, specifically the
00:38:04.700 word detestable, categorizes homosexuality as a terrible offense.
00:38:08.480 Side Xers assert that homosexuality was the primary reasons Adam and Gomorrah were destroyed.
00:38:13.640 Christians must leave behind all same-sex attractions to truly follow and honor God.
00:38:20.500 Side Y basically falls in between side B and side X, agreeing with both sides that same-sex
00:38:26.200 sexual relationships are wrong.
00:38:27.740 Side Y's stance is that we find our identity in Christ, and therefore, we shouldn't identify
00:38:31.980 ourselves by our sexual orientation at all.
00:38:34.880 We have all been called to holiness.
00:38:36.840 Side Y focuses on identity as a Christian rather than sexual identity, much like Paul removes
00:38:41.900 identification labels in Galatians 3.28 because you are all one in Christ Jesus.
00:38:46.700 So unlike side B, side Y does not see maintaining a queer identity as God-honoring.
00:38:51.600 And unlike side X, side Y does not strive to make all Christians heterosexual.
00:38:55.840 The ultimate goal, according to side Y, is becoming more Christ-like in the individual way God has
00:39:01.040 for each person.
00:39:02.500 I would say that that is where I fall.
00:39:07.040 That's not to say that I don't think that God can change someone's desires to be attracted
00:39:13.640 to the opposite sex and then get married.
00:39:15.760 Of course, I believe that God can absolutely do that.
00:39:19.500 But all Christians are called to holiness.
00:39:21.420 We're all called to identity in Christ.
00:39:23.340 We're all called to self-control.
00:39:25.460 And Christians do struggle with a number of sins, resisting temptation of a number of lusts.
00:39:33.640 And I do believe that someone can absolutely be a Christian and truly, genuinely struggle
00:39:40.700 against with the power of the Holy Spirit, disordered and sinful attractions to the same sex.
00:39:48.820 And so I would put myself in that category of side Y.
00:39:56.520 And you can let me know what you think about that.
00:39:58.720 Honestly, I don't think I've ever put myself in any category.
00:40:01.920 And I haven't even known all of the ins and outs of all these categories.
00:40:05.260 But you can let me know in the comments what you think about that.
00:40:10.200 So CRU is seemingly side B.
00:40:14.060 They're not side A, completely affirming, but they tend to fall in this side B kind of
00:40:19.080 Preston Sprinkle category.
00:40:22.220 So we've already kind of gone over the problems that people had with their LGBTQ curriculum,
00:40:27.940 with the pronouns and the identity.
00:40:30.060 But what's new in the curriculum that people are sounding the alarms about now is, for example,
00:40:36.460 their addition of Justin Giboney.
00:40:39.500 He has been added to the curriculum later.
00:40:42.080 He was not a part of the original curriculum, but he has been brought in to talk about the
00:40:48.740 issue of so-called social racial justice.
00:40:51.380 We've had Justin Giboney on this podcast before.
00:40:53.980 It was a disagreement.
00:40:55.360 We have disagreed several times since on social media.
00:40:59.180 He is a part of the AND campaign, and he is, according to him, a lifelong Democrat.
00:41:04.800 From my perspective, he and all of the leadership at AND campaign still lean that direction, still
00:41:13.260 believe that faithful Christians can vote Democrat.
00:41:16.640 He might even say should vote Democrat because he really sees both sides as equally problematic.
00:41:23.000 And I don't know if he would say they also have an equal number of good things about them.
00:41:33.000 I'm not sure that he would go so far as to say that, but he does believe like Christians
00:41:37.120 don't really fall into either category.
00:41:40.180 But he certainly seems to give a lot of justifications for why a faithful Christian would vote Democrat.
00:41:44.780 And of course, I completely, completely disagree with that.
00:41:49.400 Not that Republicans are perfect, but I do not think a faithful Christian should ever, ever
00:41:53.920 be voting for the pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ party.
00:41:56.960 Of course, pro-crime also.
00:41:59.580 So many things.
00:42:00.960 But he was brought in by Crewe to discuss this politics, how we treat the LGBTQ community,
00:42:09.960 how we treat minorities.
00:42:11.860 And he says this in the curriculum, if majority culture Christians especially are not willing
00:42:16.500 to reckon with the history of the church's failure to treat minorities in the LGBTQ community
00:42:23.080 with dignity and compassion, then they are not prepared to be constructive actors within
00:42:27.880 this conversation.
00:42:29.500 He does clearly state that biblical definition of marriage is between one man and one woman.
00:42:34.000 So he and I totally agree on that.
00:42:36.840 But he does make the comparison of Black people to LGBTQ people.
00:42:43.480 And actually, Votie Bauckham just wrote a book on this called It's Not Like Being Black,
00:42:48.040 how LGBTQ activists have basically hijacked Black civil rights in order to try to advance
00:42:55.580 their cause.
00:42:56.020 So I actually think it's a very dangerous comparison and not similar at all.
00:42:59.780 But he says they both endured hatred and both deserve social justice.
00:43:04.380 Social justice is about making sure all categories of people are treated fairly, not validating
00:43:09.540 their opinions and ethics.
00:43:11.120 Of course, that's not what social justice is in praxis.
00:43:14.080 Social justice is ensuring that all outcomes are the same.
00:43:17.780 It views disparities as evidence of discrimination.
00:43:21.420 And so anyone who believes that should be reading them a lot of Thomas Sowell, who completely debunks
00:43:27.160 that with facts and history.
00:43:29.920 He says some Christians are simply unwilling to critique or challenge conservatism or liberal
00:43:33.800 progressivism, but that's indoctrination.
00:43:36.380 Well, everyone has been indoctrinated.
00:43:38.580 Everyone has doctrines in them.
00:43:40.060 It's just a matter of who taught us those doctrines and where they come from.
00:43:45.240 He says Christians must live in the tension between love and truth.
00:43:49.280 I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I think the Bible is much, much, much clearer
00:43:54.280 on these issues than a lot of people in this camp give it credit for.
00:43:59.500 Their curriculum goes on to highlight the plight of LGBT people, how we need to understand
00:44:06.640 why they have been victimized over the years in order to truly love them and see them for
00:44:13.420 who they are.
00:44:19.280 So this curriculum says that if we are going to be wise missionaries, we need to understand
00:44:35.900 the history, the culture, and the language of the people group we're trying to reach.
00:44:40.460 And so they're not just saying this about the Incas or people in the Pacific Islands or in
00:44:47.580 Africa.
00:44:48.400 They're talking about LGBTQ people as if this is a certain nationality, a monolithic kind
00:44:58.020 of people.
00:44:58.940 And they say that they have been met with systemic victimization over the years.
00:45:05.100 And they go all the way back to Nazi Germany when they say gay men were subjected to higher
00:45:10.220 rates of mistreatment, being tracked by the Nazi government, arrested, being placed in
00:45:13.900 concentration camps where they experienced incredibly high death rates because of low
00:45:19.460 rations and worse work assignments.
00:45:21.980 I wonder, like, where are we getting that information that, like, what?
00:45:27.000 The Jews were treated better than gay men at Auschwitz?
00:45:31.280 I'm not sure that I've ever heard that.
00:45:34.100 I'm just not sure if that's true.
00:45:36.000 And it just seems a little odd to me to make whatever point that they're trying to make to
00:45:42.020 use that example.
00:45:44.740 During the AIDS crisis, thousands of young gay men, the curriculum says, died alone in hospice
00:45:50.040 care.
00:45:50.300 They died alone, some of them becoming like little boys crying out for mom and dad, but
00:45:54.520 their parents refused to come even when they pleaded.
00:45:56.820 Why?
00:45:57.180 Because their parents disowned them years ago.
00:45:59.820 Okay, obviously, that's awful and that's really sad, but there's a lot to be said about the
00:46:09.020 entire AIDS crisis in addition to this.
00:46:13.360 And I'm not sure if this fact alone is what should be included in this curriculum.
00:46:19.760 They say today there's a crisis of trans people being assaulted and murdered.
00:46:23.880 That's factually not true.
00:46:25.760 That's literally not true.
00:46:27.980 The trans people that are being murdered are very often being murdered because they live
00:46:35.880 risky lives of prostitution and destitution.
00:46:40.580 And unfortunately, any kind of person that leads that kind of life is going to be at greater
00:46:47.300 risk.
00:46:48.000 And it's just not true that trans people are being targeted because of their stated identity
00:46:54.360 and being assaulted and killed.
00:46:57.200 There are no stats to back that up.
00:46:59.740 And actually, what we've seen over the past several months is that there is a very disturbing
00:47:04.120 pattern of men and women who identify as transgender being the perpetrators of violence.
00:47:11.620 If we want to talk about that, that's a much bigger issue that I would like crew to raise awareness
00:47:17.640 about that, wow, this is how important it is for us to speak truth and speak life because
00:47:23.040 we have young women going on testosterone who are clearly unstable and have anti-Christian
00:47:29.120 views walking in to a Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee, shooting it up, killing nine people,
00:47:37.160 including preschool children.
00:47:40.940 We had someone who identifies as transgender walk into Lakewood Church and start shooting
00:47:46.780 several months ago.
00:47:48.360 Five-year-old child, I think a five-year-old child that was with her was injured because
00:47:53.780 of that.
00:47:54.940 And so that is actually the greater victimization that's going on here.
00:47:59.720 But they're buying into the left-wing narrative that everyone who is not white, that's not
00:48:05.960 straight, that's not so-called cisgendered, that they are all oppressed.
00:48:11.780 And Christians have to buy into this oppression narrative.
00:48:14.240 We have to affirm this oppression narrative in order to be good Christians.
00:48:17.920 This is a prime example of toxic empathy.
00:48:21.360 They say that in reaching LGBT people, we have to die to our own discomforts.
00:48:27.240 And we have to use language that would be comfortable for them.
00:48:31.960 And gosh, I heard this so much in 2020 when it came to social and racial justice, that
00:48:36.800 you have to be willing to pay for the sins of slave owners, for example, because that's
00:48:41.740 what self-denial and self-sacrifice is about.
00:48:43.860 It's such a perversion of the gospel.
00:48:46.140 It's all liberation theology that is being promoted here.
00:48:49.700 And liberation theology is not Christianity.
00:48:53.760 Liberation theology is not Christianity.
00:48:55.440 And actually, Crewe is also teaching a class.
00:49:00.340 It is another required separate class for staff.
00:49:03.420 It's not a part of the sexuality curriculum where they are promoting books like Bonhoeffer's
00:49:09.600 Black Jesus, Harlem Renaissance Theology, and an Ethic of Resistance.
00:49:14.080 Next to the book in the syllabus, this class that's required for the staff is 25%, which means
00:49:20.540 that 25% of the student's grade will be based on writing a paper to summarize the book.
00:49:26.160 It's presented as material that helps students achieve the learning outcomes of the class.
00:49:31.720 The book promotes Black liberation theology, a Marxist ideology that usurps biblical language
00:49:36.440 to promote oppressed Blacks rising against their oppressors.
00:49:40.920 This is according to Baptist News.
00:49:42.760 Reggie Williams argues in the book that Dietrich Bonhoeffer understood the Nazi soul because
00:49:47.300 a view of German reality through the lens of American Black theology is mediated through
00:49:51.960 the preaching of Adam Clayton Powell Sr., pastor of Harlem's Abyssinian Baptist Church, which
00:50:00.160 happens to be the same Baptist church that just hosted, what's his name, Alvin Bragg, and
00:50:07.560 said that he was a humble great brother that needed to be applauded.
00:50:12.300 Just further into the abyss, an excerpt from the book.
00:50:16.400 The Volkish devotion to pure German blood with its ethnic, nationalistic, imperialist longings
00:50:21.600 was the German equivalent of normalized humanity from the American version of white supremacy.
00:50:26.140 Seeing society from the hidden perspective of Harlem helped Bonhoeffer to recognize white
00:50:30.680 supremacy in Germany and to see it as a Christian problem that might demand Christian political
00:50:34.680 action because he was exposed to American racism from the perspective of Christians who
00:50:40.240 were subjected to it.
00:50:41.120 Bonhoeffer was equipped with prophetic insight that his white German colleagues in the church
00:50:47.160 and the academy did not have.
00:50:48.660 And so, of course, that is his attempt to say that you, white Christian here, must see
00:50:53.800 things through the lens of a Black person in order to really understand oppression and
00:50:59.880 evangelism.
00:51:01.400 Brie said that she took this class while working for Crewe, and it was taught by a conservative
00:51:04.800 Christian, so either he ignored this part of the curriculum or this had not yet been added.
00:51:10.540 And yet this is a part of it.
00:51:11.920 Now, I think that this is all really troubling.
00:51:14.180 This is what I call the mushy middle.
00:51:15.680 This is inching its way towards liberalism.
00:51:20.040 I promise you, this is inching its way towards Crewe just being completely obsolete.
00:51:25.480 It's inching its way towards the belief that mission work and sharing the gospel in other
00:51:31.420 countries is actually a harmful form of colonialism and imperialism that we should avoid, that Christianity
00:51:38.520 is really more just about kind of being nice to people.
00:51:41.760 I know there's someone out there who's going to think, oh, I'm taking it too far.
00:51:45.020 That's just a slippery slope argument.
00:51:47.300 I hope, I hope that I'm wrong, but that's where this always goes, because you are subtly
00:51:53.600 undermining the sufficiency of the gospel and the inerrancy of the word of God, the reality
00:51:58.540 of sin, the need of the gospel, subtly undermining what God's definition of justice is, what it
00:52:04.860 actually looks to love someone in truth.
00:52:08.900 Again, I hope that I'm wrong on this, because I want an organization like Crewe to have the
00:52:14.600 widest possible influence to send out effective gospel messengers that love people well and
00:52:22.060 that God uses to turn people to Christ.
00:52:23.840 I want success for this organization, but I have never seen any Christian organization
00:52:28.360 succeed for a long period of time that is not rooted in the authority of the scriptures.
00:52:34.680 And I just see liberal ideologies being adopted, and I promise you it will lead to chaos and
00:52:39.440 destruction eventually.
00:52:41.380 But I hope that they turn around and that there are people who are willing to speak up and make
00:52:47.460 a difference.
00:52:48.380 Unfortunately, it looks like those people are being fired by Crewe.
00:52:53.140 So this is another one to watch.
00:52:54.960 Very influential organization that a lot of you have been a part of over the years, and we
00:52:59.980 are right to feel troubled about that.
00:53:01.800 All right, guys, that's all we've got time for today.
00:53:17.460 We've got awesome interviews coming up for the rest of the week that I'm super pumped about.
00:53:22.880 Let's see, any announcements, just the basic announcements that I've been telling you.
00:53:27.500 If you have not signed up for Share the Arrows, go to sharethearrows.com.
00:53:31.780 It is time.
00:53:32.900 You will not regret it.
00:53:34.160 It's going to be an awesome, awesome time.
00:53:35.980 Go to sharethearrows.com.
00:53:37.260 You'll find all the information about that.
00:53:40.780 If you guys, if you have any subjects that you guys want me to cover that we have not
00:53:46.260 covered yet, you guys told me that you want me to talk about weed and the dangers of weed
00:53:50.780 and why weed is trash.
00:53:52.460 And so we are going to talk about that.
00:53:54.160 We actually compiled all this research for it already.
00:53:56.240 We just didn't have time for it today.
00:53:57.800 And so that's going to be next week.
00:54:00.460 We will talk about marijuana, and we will talk about the dangers of it and how disgusting
00:54:05.500 it is and really how it is not this harmless substance that needs to pervade our society.
00:54:11.520 It is actually just a signal of the destruction of our society, making otherwise smart and accomplished
00:54:18.020 people lazy and stupid.
00:54:20.020 So we'll get into that.
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