Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1022 ｜ Robert Morris Resigns, Potheads vs. Karens

00:00:00.000 Mega Church Pastor Robert Morris has officially stepped down after being accused of sexually molesting a 12-year-old in the 1980s.

00:00:10.060 Also today, we are talking about weed, the effects of weed, the consequences of legalizing weed,

00:00:16.360 and how the Cairns who stand against things like weed are, in fact, the sentinels of our civilization.

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00:00:40.520 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday.

00:00:43.740 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:48.300 All right, I've got an update on the Pastor Robert Morris situation.

00:00:52.940 We went in-depth on that incident yesterday, but there have been some developments.

00:01:00.020 So just a quick recap for those of you who may have missed it.

00:01:03.160 Gateway Church founder and pastor Robert Morris was accused by a woman named Cindy of molesting her in the 1980s when she was only 12 years old.

00:01:16.900 She says that the abuse happened from age 12 to age 16, and she told her parents about it.

00:01:25.160 Her dad went to the church leadership where Morris was a pastor at the time and said,

00:01:32.260 if you do not remove him from ministry, I'm going to go to the police.

00:01:35.740 As I said yesterday, he should have gone to the police because child molestation is not just a sin.

00:01:40.900 It is a crime. It should be reported to civil authorities.

00:01:46.260 Civil authorities gave us civil authorities in order to help keep evil in check.

00:01:52.600 So that should have been the process there.

00:01:54.700 That wasn't the process.

00:01:55.860 He left ministry for two years.

00:01:58.120 He was restored as a pastor and has been a pastor for these 40 plus years.

00:02:06.040 And he was the pastor of the largest church in America, Gateway Church.

00:02:12.240 It's based in Dallas.

00:02:13.620 It has over 100,000 congregants on a weekly basis across its many campuses.

00:02:21.840 And so her story came out last Friday.

00:02:24.880 Gateway Church released their statement, including Robert Morris' statement.

00:02:29.040 In response to her story, they did not deny the accusations.

00:02:33.760 However, what he described, what Robert Morris described, he said that this was inappropriate

00:02:40.980 sexual behavior with a young lady when he was in his 20s.

00:02:45.720 But as we talked about, if her accusations are true, that is not a correct description.

00:02:54.500 Sexual behavior or sexually inappropriate behavior with a young lady implies that it was consensual

00:03:01.760 sexual interaction with an adult.

00:03:04.900 And really, this is an accusation of the sexual assault of a preteen.

00:03:12.740 So his statement, Gateway's statement, really didn't hold a lot of water.

00:03:18.680 It got a lot of backlash.

00:03:20.340 People pointing out exactly what we did on this show that, no, this is a very big allegation.

00:03:27.260 This is not just an extramarital affair with another adult.

00:03:32.680 This is a crime.

00:03:34.080 It was not handled correctly.

00:03:35.940 He has not walked in truth for all of these years of his ministry.

00:03:41.180 This is a big deal.

00:03:42.620 He is not qualified under God's qualifications that he lays out in Scripture for the position

00:03:50.160 of an overseer, a bishop, a pastor.

00:03:52.980 And so, as of yesterday, Robert Morris has resigned.

00:03:59.180 The Southlake Church's Board of Elders, that's where Gateway Church is located in Southlake,

00:04:05.460 Texas, announced in a statement that it had accepted Morris' resignation and that it's

00:04:10.000 working to fully understand the events between 1982 and 1987.

00:04:15.120 They said, regretfully, prior to Friday, June 14th, the elders did not have all the facts of

00:04:20.280 the inappropriate relationship between Morris and the victim, including her age at the

00:04:23.900 time and the length of the abuse.

00:04:25.820 The elders' prior understanding was that Morris' extramarital relationship, which he

00:04:30.640 had discussed many times throughout his ministry, was with a young lady and not abuse of a 12-year-old.

00:04:36.720 So that's what they said.

00:04:37.800 They're saying after they found out all of these details, they forced him to resign.

00:04:44.740 Even though it occurred many years before Gateway was established, Gateway was established in

00:04:49.820 2000, as leaders of the church, we regret that we did not have the information that we

00:04:54.220 now have.

00:04:54.920 We are heartbroken and appalled by what has come to light over the past few days, and we

00:04:58.660 express our deep sympathy to the victim and her family.

00:05:03.180 However, Cindy, the alleged victim, had something to say about their response.

00:05:09.860 She claims that, oh, no, the leadership of Gateway Church absolutely knew.

00:05:14.040 She gave a statement after he had resigned.

00:05:18.140 She said this.

00:05:19.140 She said, I'd like to thank the many people who have sent me messages of support these

00:05:22.700 past few days.

00:05:24.320 This has given me and my family much strength and hope.

00:05:26.860 I have many mixed thoughts and feelings upon hearing the news of Robert Morris' resignation.

00:05:32.640 Though I am grateful that he is no longer a pastor at Gateway, I am disappointed that the

00:05:36.080 Board of Elders allowed him to resign.

00:05:38.300 He should have been terminated.

00:05:40.580 Okay, that's a fair point.

00:05:41.860 As I have previously stated, I have been seeking this for years.

00:05:45.760 My family and I have gone to leaders of very prominent churches and well-known ministries

00:05:50.060 with this information, hoping that someone would hold him accountable and remove him

00:05:54.460 from ministry leadership.

00:05:55.900 The leadership at Gateway received actual notice of this crime in 2005, she says, when I sent

00:06:02.120 an email directly to Robert Morris' Gateway email address.

00:06:05.400 Former Gateway elder Tom Lane received and responded to my email acknowledging that the sexual abuse

00:06:10.460 began on December 23rd, 1982, when I was 12 years old.

00:06:16.600 She says, again in 2007, my then attorney, Genter Drummond, the current attorney general

00:06:23.380 of Oklahoma, sent a letter to Robert Morris with the hope that he would help reimburse me

00:06:28.420 for the thousands of dollars I had expended on counseling as a result of this abuse.

00:06:32.740 His attorney acknowledged the date as well and then attempted to blame me for the abuse.

00:06:38.380 At the very least, both the Gateway pastor and at least one elder had specific notice that

00:06:43.560 I was sexually abused beginning when I was 12 years old.

00:06:49.220 She goes on to talk about what the abuse was, how she did not like many of what she describes

00:06:58.820 as inaccurate descriptions that were in Gateways and Robert Morris' original statement after

00:07:05.300 her story came out on the Wartburg Watch last Friday.

00:07:09.580 Again, if you want all the details on that, go ahead and listen to or watch yesterday's episode.

00:07:14.440 She also responds to the announcement by Gateway Church in their most recent statement that

00:07:22.380 they're going to conduct an investigation.

00:07:25.700 They said that they've retained the law firm of Haynes and Boone LLP to conduct an independent,

00:07:32.900 thorough and professional review of the report of past abuse to ensure we have a complete

00:07:38.520 understanding of the events from 1982 to 1987.

00:07:45.540 Well, she has something to say about that.

00:07:48.220 She says, why not expand the investigation to his entire tenure at Gateway Church?

00:07:56.860 Why limit the investigation to his conduct between 82 and 87?

00:08:01.220 Also, why have they retained a law firm that specializes in crisis management?

00:08:07.120 So this is from the website of the law firm.

00:08:10.800 It is critical to have a highly skilled and experienced legal team able to quickly assemble

00:08:14.720 and focus on the immediate and long-term strategies necessary to mitigate financial

00:08:18.740 and reputational loss and stabilize in a crisis situation and to coordinate the efforts

00:08:23.600 of specialized consultants to mitigate harm.

00:08:25.420 So what she's pointing out is that they've basically hired a PR team, perhaps not a team,

00:08:32.640 a legal team.

00:08:33.380 It is technically a legal team, but they are functioning kind of as a crisis PR team.

00:08:37.120 Rather than an investigative team that is really going to try to uncover the truth.

00:08:42.540 That is her concern.

00:08:44.120 She says, this does not appear to be an independent investigation.

00:08:47.620 And this deeply concerns me.

00:08:50.420 She says, this is just the beginning.

00:08:51.960 I wholeheartedly and sadly believe I am not the only victim.

00:08:55.920 Now, she might have more information that confirms her suspicions there.

00:09:00.880 And she's just not able to say, or maybe she just really does have a hunch because it is

00:09:06.600 extremely rare for a child molester to only molest one child.

00:09:11.160 Extremely rare.

00:09:12.420 If her accusations are true, by the way, which again, they have not yet been denied by Robert

00:09:17.440 Morris or anyone else. 0.59

00:09:18.600 I encourage anyone who has been sexually victimized by a leader at Gateway Church to take the bold

00:09:23.400 step forward and say something.

00:09:24.680 Now is the time.

00:09:25.540 I agree with her.

00:09:27.240 Please know that you will be supported and will not walk this journey alone.

00:09:30.680 I hope and pray that the leadership at Gateway will echo this encouragement.

00:09:35.220 To the congregation of Gateway Church and the countless who have followed Robert Morris online,

00:09:39.300 my heart is equally broken for you.

00:09:41.060 Please remember our faith is in Jesus, not an institution or a man in the pulpit.

00:09:44.200 Keep your faith 1000% agree.

00:09:47.180 Jesus will never fail you even when pastors do.

00:09:50.340 However, this is a hindrance to many people's faith.

00:09:55.900 This is faith soul crushing for so many people.

00:09:59.380 And I know it's easy to say, well, your faith shouldn't be in man, shouldn't be in pastors.

00:10:03.400 It should only be in Jesus. 0.98

00:10:05.020 Yes and amen.

00:10:05.920 However, when someone is a steward of the gospel, when someone is a shepherd of the flock,

00:10:12.720 it can, of course, chip away at your trust.

00:10:17.500 We are supposed to be able to trust the person who has been ordained by God to be a minister

00:10:28.620 of the gospel, to be a shepherd of his flock, to take care of his sheep.

00:10:34.840 We are supposed to be able to trust that person.

00:10:36.960 While we don't believe that that person is our intercessor, we don't believe that that

00:10:42.980 person is our go-between between us and God, because Jesus is our sole mediator, according

00:10:48.340 to scripture.

00:10:49.360 That person is in a position of leadership and is, in a way, a representative of God in

00:10:56.880 our lives.

00:10:57.740 It's supposed to function not only as a shepherd, but as a counselor, as a trusted expositor

00:11:05.300 of God's word.

00:11:06.580 And so when he not only has a moral failing, because, I mean, all pastors are going to sin,

00:11:12.340 they're all going to fall short because we all fall short.

00:11:15.480 But when that pastor lives in perpetual dishonesty and deceit and hypocrisy, as is apparently the

00:11:23.740 case here, that—and also, it's not just that that I think is soul-crushing.

00:11:28.680 It's also when other people around him that you trusted seem to cover for him and to not

00:11:35.880 care about victims and potential victims—that can really, really mess with someone's mind,

00:11:43.700 crush someone's heart.

00:11:45.880 And that matters.

00:11:46.780 That matters to God.

00:11:48.400 Injustice also matters to God.

00:11:50.020 Abuse also matters to God.

00:11:52.540 And I actually think that this whole thing is a great mercy for Robert Morris, that his

00:12:00.060 sin has found him out, apparently.

00:12:02.580 I pray that God uses this to humble him, to bring Robert Morris close to himself so that

00:12:08.660 he walks in true liberation from his sin, true liberation from dishonesty, because living

00:12:16.140 with that kind of deceit in your life, in your past, really can put an obstacle between you

00:12:27.060 and the intimacy of your relationship with God.

00:12:31.180 And so this could be, spiritually, eternally, the best thing to ever happen to Robert Morris.

00:12:37.840 I hope that it also brings justice to potential victims out there.

00:12:43.040 And God really is.

00:12:44.920 He is separating the wheat from the chaff.

00:12:47.680 He is bringing accountability.

00:12:49.300 He is bringing transparency.

00:12:50.500 And we should simply see it as God using these events somehow beyond what we can see for the

00:12:59.000 good of those who love him, Romans 8, 28, and also to bring glory to himself and to somehow

00:13:04.840 advance his kingdom.

00:13:07.920 So that's the latest on that.

00:13:10.160 I think it's good that he is no longer going to be pastor.

00:13:12.640 As we talked about yesterday, forgiveness need not include restoration to your previous position

00:13:18.760 as pastor.

00:13:19.500 If you truly are a child molester, you do not, or even if it just happened one time, whatever

00:13:24.860 it was, you do not need to be in a position where you are going to be around children.

00:13:30.080 You don't need to be in a leadership position.

00:13:32.240 You can be restored to the body of Christ.

00:13:33.680 You don't need to be a pastor again.

00:13:36.380 So pray for Cindy. 0.99

00:13:37.660 Pray for other people.

00:13:39.240 If there are other victims, pray for their comfort.

00:13:43.980 Pray for their peace.

00:13:45.000 Pray also for Robert Morris and his family.

00:13:47.060 Pray also for Gateway Church, that they would continue to cling to Christ and his gospel.

00:13:56.300 You know, wherever there is bureaucracy, wherever there is power, wherever there is power,

00:14:01.900 wherever there is some kind of personal, self-motivated intention to remain in a prominent position,

00:14:17.340 there is always going to be the imminent temptation for corruption, manipulation, deceit, hypocrisy.

00:14:29.460 That's a temptation for all of us.

00:14:32.580 But when your career, when your reputation, when your fame, your wealth is tied to remaining

00:14:39.460 in a particular position, it can make manipulation, it can make covering up sin really easy.

00:14:48.100 You can even justify it by saying that the ministry that God has given you is so fruitful,

00:14:54.040 it's so big that clearly God has favor on your life.

00:14:58.020 And so it would mess everything up.

00:15:00.320 And perhaps you convince yourself that it would somehow deter the gospel if you came forward

00:15:07.160 with the sin that you have been covering up.

00:15:09.700 And I think it's really easy also to mistake earthly success, like numerical success, how

00:15:15.420 many people are in your church, how much money you have, how many books you've sold with

00:15:19.760 God's approval of your life?

00:15:21.420 I see that not only with pastors, but I also see that with like athletes, with celebrities

00:15:26.340 who will pay lip service to God and they'll say, you know, God did this for us or God did

00:15:31.920 this for me.

00:15:32.920 I have the favor of God, but their life doesn't at all align with Christianity. 0.98

00:15:38.820 Look, your earthly success is not necessarily an indicator of God's approval of you or God's approval

00:15:46.700 of your behavior or even God's favor in your life.

00:15:51.600 They can be blessings from God.

00:15:54.040 They can also be the very thing that is actually hindering you from living in truth and intimacy

00:15:59.780 with God.

00:16:01.060 Remember, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil, not money itself, but the

00:16:07.580 worship of money, the idolatry of money.

00:16:10.500 Doing anything for financial gain, no matter what you have to compromise, that is the root

00:16:18.240 of all kinds of evil.

00:16:20.060 And gosh, that verse comes to my mind multiple times a day as I look throughout our government,

00:16:24.740 as I look throughout our health institutions, our hospitals, as I look to many of our churches,

00:16:30.800 the love of money, idolatry, worship, service of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

00:16:38.880 I'm not sure if that's the case here, but again, when it comes to these major institutions

00:16:44.180 where power and prominence are really kind of at the center, you often see cover-up of

00:16:52.580 sin.

00:16:54.080 And I hope that more transparency, that our future is characterized by more transparency.

00:17:08.880 Okay, let's talk about weed.

00:17:16.900 It's Weed Wednesday.

00:17:18.280 It's Weed Wednesday here on Relatable.

00:17:20.740 It's not where we smoke weed.

00:17:22.340 It's where we make fun of it.

00:17:23.900 And we talk about how awful it is.

00:17:26.760 And I talked about this on Instagram a couple weeks ago, and I got such a big reaction.

00:17:30.520 We've been meaning to talk about weed.

00:17:32.680 Should we legalize weed?

00:17:33.900 What's the future of weed?

00:17:35.960 And you guys, you had so many responses to it, but we just haven't been able to talk

00:17:41.300 about it because there's been so many things that have come up that we've needed to discuss.

00:17:44.300 But today we are finally going to talk about cannabis and why I think cannabis is awful.

00:17:49.380 And I know there's going to be people out there that are like, well, my dog used to have seizures

00:17:53.920 until he started, you know, smoking Mary Jane every morning.

00:17:58.400 And now he's great.

00:18:00.100 He's back in his prime.

00:18:01.900 I know there are people who say that it's really helped them, although I'll get into

00:18:08.260 that because I've also talked to some medical professionals who say that medical marijuana

00:18:13.460 is not a thing.

00:18:14.920 I know that's scandalous.

00:18:16.360 I had no idea that that was a perspective of some doctors.

00:18:19.720 I thought it was totally legit.

00:18:21.260 So I know some of you out there in the comments are going to be like, no, it's completely changed

00:18:25.140 my life for the better.

00:18:26.560 Whatever. 0.99

00:18:26.860 In general, I think weed makes otherwise smart and driven, capable people stupid and 1.00

00:18:34.520 lazy and fat. 1.00

00:18:36.000 That's my general take on it. 0.98

00:18:38.220 But it turns out it's not just that.

00:18:40.480 It's actually that it has a terrible effect on the mind and the body, especially when weed

00:18:47.620 is smoked by young people.

00:18:49.720 And the fact that we are trying to deregulate it, that we are trying to legalize it, that

00:18:54.220 there is a weed shop on every corner and the libertarians are cheering, saying this is

00:18:58.640 great.

00:18:59.220 No, it is just another sign of our societal decay.

00:19:03.220 It's bad in every way.

00:19:04.640 I've never heard a good argument for legalizing weed.

00:19:08.060 And I get the same reaction to this subject, by the way, as I get when I talk about the

00:19:13.140 detriment of porn and how awful porn is.

00:19:16.360 Like, have you people no shame?

00:19:18.880 When someone talks about how awful porn is, that is not your sign to be like, well, actually,

00:19:24.100 no.

00:19:24.840 The same thing about weed. 0.99

00:19:26.900 Why do you not care that you are telling on yourself that you are a weed smoking porn addict?

00:19:34.700 There used to be something called stigma in society.

00:19:39.060 Stigma is a very important societal construct that has been passed down to us by wiser generations

00:19:46.840 before us.

00:19:48.120 Not every stigma that we have is good.

00:19:50.820 Not every stigma that we have has to be stuck to.

00:19:54.820 But many of the stigmas and the shames that exist in a society exist so that people behave

00:20:01.980 themselves without the law having to come in and saying, you're under arrest.

00:20:08.220 At this point, though, we have to put people under arrest for, say, I don't know, being barefoot

00:20:14.520 on airplanes because we don't have stigma and shame anymore.

00:20:18.180 If we have stigma and shame, then people end up having their own self-control.

00:20:23.640 Unfortunately, we have no self-control as a society.

00:20:26.820 We have no agreed upon social contract.

00:20:30.500 We have no agreed upon objective universal morality.

00:20:38.440 And we are also saying, well, we're just going to make a bunch of things legal again like weed.

00:20:44.440 It's a recipe for disaster.

00:20:46.600 Maybe you could have done this 150 years ago and things would have been fine.

00:20:51.020 You can't do this today because we have too many derelicts in society who, again, have no self-regulation.

00:20:57.380 So let me tell you a little bit about weed, why we're talking about this and why it's so awful.

00:21:03.640 We're talking about this because this has been a conversation even among conservatives about legalizing weed for the sake of freedom

00:21:10.760 and also as a criminal justice issue because apparently there are so many people rotting away in prison

00:21:17.100 because they just possessed a little bit of weed. 0.98

00:21:19.500 Newsflash, that's just not really true.

00:21:21.240 It's not really true.

00:21:22.260 Most people have been there.

00:21:24.480 They say that they're in jail because of weed, but really it was because they had cocaine on them

00:21:30.000 or there was a much more serious crime and they have been pled down to that charge so they would get less time in jail.

00:21:37.960 There aren't all of these people rotting away because they had like a little bit of marijuana on them.

00:21:44.140 That's just a myth that you hear a lot.

00:21:46.860 We're also talking about it because we have seen how it has harmed once beautiful cities like the city of Denver.

00:21:54.800 They've got a weed shop on every corner and homelessness and poverty and crime and ER visits are all up.

00:22:05.420 Now, you could say that's a correlation causation fallacy, but the timeline matches up a little too much for you to invoke that accusation, I would say.

00:22:19.620 So let's get into it.

00:22:20.820 First, let's look at the effects of cannabis.

00:22:22.740 Cannabis refers to all products derived from the cannabis sativa.

00:22:27.800 Is that how you pronounce it?

00:22:29.260 Weedos out there?

00:22:30.580 Plant.

00:22:31.140 This includes its dried flowers, leaves, stems, and seeds.

00:22:34.300 The plant contains over 500 chemical substances and CBD is one of those chemicals.

00:22:41.480 Marijuana refers to the parts of or products from the cannabis sativa plant that contain substantial amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol.

00:22:51.920 This is the main chemical, cannabinoid, that causes mind-altering effects, makes you feel high.

00:23:00.560 Marijuana is one of the most used drugs in the U.S., particularly among young adults.

00:23:05.200 In 2021, 35.4 percent, that's crazy, of people aged 18 to 25.

00:23:11.580 11.8 million people reported using marijuana in the past year.

00:23:15.760 Scientifically, there are many unknowns regarding marijuana.

00:23:19.940 Researchers are still studying the long-term and short-term effects of the substance.

00:23:24.620 Scientists have historically classified marijuana as a hallucinogen.

00:23:28.380 However, not all instances of marijuana use cause hallucinogen-like effects like LSD and ecstasy.

00:23:35.080 The FDA, which I understand we don't trust the FDA on everything for a good reason, but they classify marijuana as a Schedule I substance.

00:23:43.180 This means that it has no currently accepted medical uses and a high potential for addiction.

00:23:48.100 The Biden admin is currently working to make it a lower-tier substance, Schedule II.

00:23:54.260 Of course, they are, because the Biden administration is hell-bent on the destruction of American society and everything that is good, right, true, and healthy they are going to oppose.

00:24:06.620 Cannabis is currently legal in 24 states for recreational use.

00:24:12.300 So, like, in the South, it's mixed.

00:24:16.280 Only in a few states is it fully illegal.

00:24:19.100 Only in a few states.

00:24:20.400 It's North Carolina, South Carolina, Idaho, for example.

00:24:23.960 It's fully legal in several states.

00:24:26.320 It's mixed in several states.

00:24:29.480 And so, most places in the United States today, you're going to walk around and you're going to smell weed.

00:24:37.500 Unfortunately, if you go downtown anywhere, you are going to smell weed.

00:24:44.600 Weed smells awful.

00:24:46.080 We tried to rent a car the other day.

00:24:48.520 I forget where we were.

00:24:49.460 A couple weeks ago, we were traveling.

00:24:51.320 We rented a car.

00:24:53.160 And we got to the Hertz place.

00:24:55.700 And we got to the car that was designated for us.

00:24:58.780 We opened the door.

00:25:00.560 And it reeks of weed.

00:25:03.460 Reeks of weed.

00:25:04.640 Well, no, we're not going to take that car.

00:25:06.520 We ended up getting another car.

00:25:08.000 And we told them, this reeks of weed.

00:25:09.740 I'm not sure why they didn't fix that.

00:25:11.440 But it's very hard to get the smell out.

00:25:13.780 And I said at the time on Twitter, which got a lot of people mad, a lot of potheads mad, I said, weed is so trashy. 0.73

00:25:21.860 And it is.

00:25:22.680 Does that mean that I think that if you smoke weed, you're not a valuable person made in the image of God?

00:25:27.220 That's not what I'm saying. 0.87

00:25:28.880 It is just a trashy substance.

00:25:31.960 You cannot tell me that it makes someone more put together and more successful, more sober-minded, more caring and considerate, a better citizen, a harder worker, a better mom or dad. 0.52

00:25:45.400 I'm sorry.

00:25:46.220 No.

00:25:47.160 No.

00:25:47.740 And I don't want to be around it.

00:25:49.160 Like, you should be able to go to a park, even in a city, walk downtown with your kids in a stroller without worrying about being absolutely oppressed by a wall of the smell of weed.

00:26:01.960 That is a society in decay.

00:26:04.380 It's a society in decay where you cannot escape the stench of drugs.

00:26:09.900 There are also some very serious side effects with marijuana that we never hear about.

00:26:15.160 You think of, like, the surfer dude or the ski bum, people who just want to chill out, man, and it's all good.

00:26:20.960 It makes you actually happy.

00:26:22.940 It makes you a better person, a better friend, cooler, chiller, not as stressed.

00:26:28.160 But that's actually not the effect that it has on the mind, especially long term.

00:26:32.660 All right.

00:26:45.400 This is according to NBC.

00:26:47.200 This was an article that was published May 22nd, 2024.

00:26:50.900 Teens who use marijuana more likely to suffer psychotic disorders.

00:26:55.620 Great.

00:26:55.860 That's what we need, right? 0.97

00:26:56.940 We need more mentally unstable teens. 1.00

00:27:00.340 Awesome.

00:27:01.120 Our future voters.

00:27:02.160 A study published in May, led by researchers from the University of Toronto, found an 11 times higher risk of developing a psychotic disorder among teenagers who used cannabis compared with those who did not.

00:27:15.860 When the analysis was limited to just emergency room visits and hospitalizations, there was a 27-fold increase in psychotic disorders in teenagers who had used the drug.

00:27:27.520 Wow.

00:27:28.540 Wow.

00:27:28.960 When I see youths with psychotic symptoms, they're almost always using lots of cannabis, said Dr. Leslie Holvershorn, a child psychiatrist and chair of the psychiatry department at Indiana University who was not involved with the study.

00:27:43.060 So she just commented on it.

00:27:44.460 It would be unusual to see someone to present with psychotic symptoms to a hospital and not have smoked cannabis.

00:27:51.040 Okay.

00:27:51.360 So she has seen this so much that she says she almost never sees a child, a young person come in with some kind of psychotic episode going on who wasn't smoking weed.

00:28:01.760 Oh, my goodness.

00:28:02.760 Oh, my goodness.

00:28:04.160 The new research published in the respected journal Psychological Medicine includes data from over 11,000 teens and young adults who are ages 12 to 24 at the beginning of the study.

00:28:15.240 The authors polled from the annual Canadian Community Health Survey focusing on 2009 to 2012.

00:28:23.600 The participants were followed for up to nine years after the initial survey.

00:28:27.300 So this is a large survey, okay?

00:28:29.240 This is not like a few people over the course of a few months.

00:28:32.580 We're going all the way back to 2009, 2012, all the way until recently, the past couple of years.

00:28:40.920 And so you can't even just say, oh, these psychotic episodes had nothing to do with the weed.

00:28:45.840 They're just looking in 2023, 2024.

00:28:48.880 Maybe mental health disorders have increased because of COVID.

00:28:51.900 No, this goes a long way back, over 11,000 participants, apparently.

00:28:56.920 Of the teens who were hospitalized or visited emergency rooms for psychotic disorders, roughly five in six have reported previous cannabis use.

00:29:06.460 New York City psychiatrist Dr. Ryan Soltan says that in over the last decade of diagnosing countless young patients with new psychotic disorders,

00:29:14.220 I can't think of a single one who wasn't also positive for cannabis.

00:29:20.080 So this is another psychiatrist, another doctor saying the same thing as the Indiana University doctor said.

00:29:29.040 While it's possible, this is according to that Dr. Holvershorn, while it's possible that teens who are prone to develop psychotic disorders could have also been more likely to use cannabis,

00:29:38.540 it's unlikely because of how striking the association was.

00:29:43.340 The magnitude of the effect here is just hard to believe, and it's not related that it's not related to cannabis.

00:29:49.320 There was no association between cannabis use and psychotic disorders in people ages 20 to 33 in this particular study.

00:29:57.140 So it's really talking about those formative years when the brain is still so rapidly developing.

00:30:05.080 Again, that's in this particular study, by the way.

00:30:08.100 That doesn't mean that those psychotic disorders are not more likely in that adult range, but in this study, they were proven more likely in the teenage range.

00:30:17.320 This study really puts a fine point on delaying cannabis use in your 20s until your 20s may mitigate one of the most potentially serious risks.

00:30:32.680 Kind of worded weirdly, but you understand.

00:30:35.440 Nearly one in three 12th graders reported using it in the previous year, according to the 2023 Monitoring the Future survey.

00:30:44.560 Wow. One in three 12th graders, y'all.

00:30:48.380 I don't even know if I knew what weed was when I was in high school.

00:30:54.140 I would have had no idea.

00:30:56.440 Even if I had wanted weed, I would have no idea where to get it.

00:31:02.340 I would have had no idea.

00:31:03.720 I'm like Robert De Niro in Meet the Parents when Ben Stiller tries to, his character explains to him,

00:31:11.160 Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon, Puff the Magic Dragon.

00:31:14.360 That's a song about marijuana.

00:31:16.560 And Robert De Niro is like, what are you talking about?

00:31:18.700 This is about a little boy and his dragon.

00:31:22.280 That's what I was in high school.

00:31:24.620 I don't think I knew what weed even was until like, I don't know, years later into my adult life.

00:31:30.680 But you know why?

00:31:31.460 And this is important, parents, I think, is that I also wasn't drinking at all in high school.

00:31:38.800 I didn't go to any parties where there was alcohol.

00:31:42.560 I was never around alcohol.

00:31:44.520 My friends were not around alcohol.

00:31:47.380 I wasn't hanging out with people.

00:31:48.920 By the way, we had at our school a 24-7 policy, which now people are like, oh, that's so archaic.

00:31:55.740 That's so awful.

00:31:56.660 But we had a 24-7 policy at our school that if you were caught at any point, at any time in the year, at any time of the day,

00:32:07.140 having sex, drinking, or doing drugs, you would be expelled from school.

00:32:13.660 That was the kind of Christian school that I grew up in.

00:32:17.720 And even though that was not the thing that stopped me from doing those things, I just wasn't in that crowd. 0.69

00:32:24.680 Of course, I had very involved, and I would say, I would have said at the time, strict parents who gave me a curfew and cared about where I was and put rules in place that I know that I thought at the time were absolutely ridiculous.

00:32:38.120 And so I was protected in a lot of ways.

00:32:39.920 But I guarantee you, for some students whose parents weren't as involved in their lives, that 24-7 policy stopped them from doing drugs and drinking, partying, having premarital sex in high school.

00:32:56.140 And so you can laugh at that rule all you want to.

00:32:59.740 I guarantee you, though, that at least for some, and probably even more so today, that rule protected teenagers from smoking weed and dealing with suffering from these psychotic side effects that are now being discovered through these scientific studies.

00:33:21.840 So I'm thankful for that.

00:33:23.220 So my lesson there is, parents, don't be afraid to be involved in your kid's life, to care about where they're going, to care about who they're hanging out with.

00:33:33.520 And I would say that alcohol is the gateway to weed.

00:33:40.100 And that weed is, I know it's like people say, oh, it's such a boomer thing to say that weed is the gateway to other drugs.

00:33:47.140 It is because it is highly addictive.

00:33:50.160 I know people say that it's not.

00:33:51.620 It is.

00:33:52.260 It's highly addictive.

00:33:53.520 And once you lower your inhibitions, you, of course, have worse judgment.

00:34:00.540 And once you have worse judgment, something like harder drugs becomes more attractive to you.

00:34:06.720 I don't think that anyone can deny that smoking weed lowers your inhibitions, right?

00:34:11.700 It changes your state of mind.

00:34:13.120 You become high.

00:34:13.920 You might say that you become happier, but you also become more carefree, which may feel good in one way.

00:34:21.120 But in another way, it is also inhibiting your judgment, your wisdom, your ability to make good choices.

00:34:26.900 That's why you shouldn't drive.

00:34:28.120 That's why you shouldn't operate machinery while you're smoking weed.

00:34:30.760 That's why you shouldn't do a lot of things while you're smoking weed.

00:34:33.480 The same thing with alcohol.

00:34:35.300 When you're around alcohol, especially when you are a teenager, your state of mind changes, you're lowering your inhibitions, you're more likely to smoke weed, and then you're more likely, at least over time, eventually, to do other things.

00:34:48.380 It's never a good choice.

00:34:49.840 And so I know some people think, well, alcohol, even as a teenager, it's no big deal.

00:34:55.600 It's just what kids do.

00:34:57.520 Look, with the availability of drugs now, I mean, alcohol, of course, in general, before you're 21, while it's a crime, it should never be engaged in.

00:35:08.120 But it's not even, even if you set that to the side, it's not harmless.

00:35:13.800 It's not innocent.

00:35:15.380 It causes all kinds of problems.

00:35:17.800 And as I said, it can lead to the use of drugs.

00:35:20.920 And with the availability, accessibility of drugs today, because of their legality, you are setting your child up for failure.

00:35:29.780 And not only that, but a lot of times nowadays, we are seeing weed that is laced with fentanyl and all kinds of drugs, like Xanax, that are laced with fentanyl, that kids are getting from other kids at school.

00:35:42.640 We're talking even at like Christian private schools, this kind of thing is happening.

00:35:47.260 I mean, this is a consequence of open borders.

00:35:49.020 This is a consequence of absentee parents, in some cases, not all cases.

00:35:53.340 This is a consequence, again, of the legality of weed.

00:35:56.320 This is a consequence of social media and these things becoming popularized there.

00:36:01.500 It's a consequence of lots and lots of things, of godlessness, of all of that.

00:36:06.460 But one factor in this is certainly the marijuana.

00:36:09.600 And I don't see any good case for making it easier for young people to access this psychiatric drug or this drug that can cause psychiatric disorders, rather.

00:36:22.320 Evidence from separate Danish and British studies, this is also according to NBC this year, among others, suggests a link between heavy marijuana use and psychiatric disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.

00:36:36.020 THC levels in marijuana have been getting stronger for decades.

00:36:39.780 So it's not the same.

00:36:41.180 It's not the same as what you saw maybe 30 years ago when it really was just ski bums getting a little high.

00:36:48.460 We're definitely seeing a rising cannabis-induced psychosis among teenagers, said child psychiatrist Dr. Christian Thurstone.

00:36:54.640 She's an addiction specialist at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in Denver.

00:36:58.460 The more potent the cannabis products, the more likely users are to have adverse effects, said Nora Volcao, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

00:37:10.120 There was a European study published in 2020 that found that high-potency cannabis products carried a greater risk of hallucinations and delusions compared with lower-potency types.

00:37:19.880 As many as half of people with cannabis-induced psychosis may go on to develop either schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, research suggests.

00:37:27.320 So even if it's not acute, even if it's not immediate, it could actually have such an effect on the brain that you later develop these disorders that will affect your life, that will affect the lives of everyone around you.

00:37:39.920 The more marijuana somebody is exposed to, especially in adolescence, the greater the risk of developing psychosis, schizophrenia, and severe mental illness.

00:37:49.040 You know, it all just makes so much sense why the powers that be, why the left-wing zeitgeist wants to legalize and make more accessible marijuana, why our adversaries want to make marijuana more accessible, more legal in the United States.

00:38:05.700 It's because you'll have a dumbed-down, numbed-out populace that cannot defend itself, that doesn't want to defend itself, that doesn't want to reproduce, that is in many ways probably unable to reproduce,

00:38:18.440 that has to depend on all kinds of narcotics and antidepressant medications that can actually exacerbate the mental issues. 0.86

00:38:31.540 It makes them pretty useless when it comes to defending their communities, defending their republic, defending their freedoms.

00:38:40.780 If you can drug them out, then you can guarantee that they are easily controlled.

00:38:47.900 They're not critical thinkers, they don't have the energy to research, they certainly don't have the energy to try to defend themselves intellectually, but also physically.

00:38:57.860 So marijuana in the 60s, 70s, and through the 90s was 2-3%.

00:39:03.160 Nowadays, the commercialized products are 20-plus percent, 10 times more potent.

00:39:09.880 And again, very often being laced with other, stronger, deadlier drugs.

00:39:15.720 There's no longer any scientific debate that marijuana can not just be psychologically addictive or habit-forming, but also physically habit-forming.

00:39:24.500 It's a substance that produces tolerance, so people have to use more and more to have the same effect.

00:39:29.900 About 1 in 10 people who begin using cannabis will become addicted.

00:39:36.080 Oh my goodness.

00:39:37.300 We have been lied to for so many years about weed, and we have all been called Karens for saying that weed is bad, that it shouldn't be legalized.

00:39:46.920 We were right.

00:39:48.540 Karen is so often, right, y'all?

00:39:50.160 All right, so cannabis linked to psychosis.

00:40:06.480 Scientists believe that cannabis is interfering with our brain's ability to distinguish between what's going on in our heads versus the real world.

00:40:15.060 One theory as to why it affects adolescents so much is that disruptions to the endocannabinoid system in adolescents may make psychotic symptoms more likely.

00:40:25.740 The endocannabinoid system is a complex signaling system in the brain that marijuana targets.

00:40:31.020 That's interesting.

00:40:31.780 That could make it harder to distinguish reality from what is going on inside the head, leading to symptoms such as hallucinations, which is how schizophrenia usually manifests itself.

00:40:47.160 And it does seem like these symptoms persist throughout someone's life.

00:40:55.900 And I know some people will say that there is a safer marijuana that has different kinds of ingredients, but there really isn't a widely accepted standard of this.

00:41:08.920 So I would say that that's not really true.

00:41:13.700 There are some other stats and studies about this.

00:41:16.520 A study from 2008 titled Cannabis Use and the Risk of Developing a Psychotic Disorder found that it's much more likely to develop a psychotic disorder when you've been using weed.

00:41:27.880 The data suggested that in young adults ages 18 to 25, legalization of marijuana is leading to higher rates of cannabis use, particularly in Oregon and Washington.

00:41:37.680 This is according to an analysis published in 2023 in the journal Substance Abuse.

00:41:43.200 And then daily marijuana use among young adults has risen to record highs, of course, leading to many of these psychotic episodes.

00:41:55.260 Now, for those who say, well, what about medical marijuana?

00:42:01.560 Isn't that fine?

00:42:02.360 Like, shouldn't I let my teenager or shouldn't I indulge in some medical marijuana because it is helpful to me?

00:42:09.280 So according to the New York Times, medical marijuana is not regulated as most medicines are.

00:42:15.660 Experts in the many specialties in which medical marijuana is said to be helpful have only rarely been able to demonstrate its purported benefits in well-designed scientific studies.

00:42:25.160 For example, in Oregon, where both recreational and medicinal marijuana can be sold legally, all recreational marijuana must be tested for pesticides and solvents, but such tests are not required for most medical marijuana.

00:42:37.320 That's not good.

00:42:38.060 Most of the same health concerns raised decades ago about using marijuana therapeutically are still unresolved, even as the potency of the plant's intoxicating ingredient, tetrahydrocannabinol, known as THC, has increased fivefold.

00:42:55.760 Proponents of medical marijuana argue that cannabis is relatively safe and less expensive than licensed pharmaceuticals.

00:43:03.020 It's often used for conditions for which effective therapies are lacking or inadequate.

00:43:06.620 Opponents say that what is most lacking are standardized marijuana products and randomized controlled clinical trials that can clearly establish benefits and risks.

00:43:20.280 Some people say it helps them with pain management, which, of course, I guess if you're high, you might not know that you're in pain.

00:43:26.020 Some people say that it helps with MS. 0.99

00:43:29.120 Some people say that it helps with glaucoma.

00:43:31.720 And I'm sure there are doctors and there are patients that would say that that works for them.

00:43:36.720 And I am OK with experimenting with alternative medicine.

00:43:40.940 Absolutely.

00:43:42.440 However, there just aren't a lot of studies that are proving that it is helpful right now.

00:43:47.300 And even if we were to put that on the side, though, even if we were to say, OK, it can be used in controlled situations as prescribed by a doctor under stringent regulations, it still would not justify the mass legalization of weed, which I think absolutely is detrimental to society rather than helpful.

00:44:08.440 You'll remember the story that we talked about, I don't know, a few weeks ago about the can of moms, the can of moms.

00:44:18.260 These are the moms smoking weed to try to deal with the stress of motherhood. 1.00

00:44:24.500 These are moms who admit that using marijuana makes them better parents. 1.00

00:44:28.080 They refer to themselves as can of moms.

00:44:29.660 It's a term you may not have heard of, but their budding movement has been in motion for several years.

00:44:36.440 It helps them deal with the craziness of motherhood. 0.99

00:44:41.800 This was published in WESH in 2023.

00:44:47.940 And there have been a few articles about this, apparently, which I think is just toxic mommy culture.

00:44:53.240 You need community.

00:44:54.380 You might need church.

00:44:55.740 You might need fellowship, help, help from your husband, a better marriage.

00:45:02.060 Maybe you need to work less, but you don't need a substance that is going to alter the state of your mind.

00:45:08.420 That speaks to a much bigger issue there.

00:45:10.740 It's just a Band-Aid on the stress rather than getting to the root cause of why you feel so incredibly strung out.

00:45:19.580 Your kids deserve a sober parent.

00:45:23.360 Your kids deserve a sober parent.

00:45:25.060 Denver, Colorado, as I said earlier, has kind of been one of the pioneers of legalizing pot.

00:45:35.200 Cannabis was legalized in Colorado in 2012.

00:45:39.880 Colorado Senator John Hickenlooper says on his website,

00:45:44.420 Colorado set the standard for legalizing cannabis.

00:45:47.000 The results have been overwhelmingly positive.

00:45:48.880 And now Congress must follow suit by removing cannabis from Schedule 1 classification.

00:45:55.500 Colorado's other Senator Michael Bennett said in a May 2nd statement,

00:45:59.040 Congress should follow Colorado's lead and bring our nation's marijuana laws into the 21st century.

00:46:05.360 However, the data does not show overwhelmingly positive results.

00:46:09.120 There's also been a crime rate surge from 2012 to 2022, up 21.6%

00:46:14.780 as eight neighboring states saw crime rates plateau or decrease.

00:46:18.880 Traffic fatalities increased 57% over the last decade.

00:46:22.960 The state has seen a decade-long increase in marijuana-related hospitalizations,

00:46:28.180 emergency room visits, poison control calls, and fatal crashes involving drivers impaired by THC

00:46:33.980 based on data from the Colorado Division of Criminal Justice.

00:46:39.560 And while we can't say that all of that was caused by marijuana, it's likely,

00:46:44.060 but we don't know that it was all caused exclusively by marijuana.

00:46:48.380 The correlation should absolutely at least raise our red flags.

00:46:52.920 And plus, there are some things that just can't be measured.

00:46:56.120 Like, we can't measure the number of children who choose pot over athletics or other extracurricular activities,

00:47:02.080 the lost opportunities resulting from people choosing a drug for recreation,

00:47:06.460 as opposed to Colorado's other options for constructive activities, according to this article.

00:47:12.760 But also, we don't know how grades are affected by this, how relationships are affected by this,

00:47:20.020 how people's ability to reproduce is affected by this.

00:47:26.360 There is so much that we don't know and so much risk that can't even right now be properly measured

00:47:33.980 that I believe legalizing weed presents.

00:47:37.760 And I know we had a guest who was very wise and very sweet on this show a few weeks ago

00:47:43.800 who argues for legalizing many drugs, not deregulating all of them, but legalizing them.

00:47:53.840 And you can go back and listen to that conversation.

00:47:56.500 I won't give the full recap, but I fully disagree with that.

00:48:00.480 I don't want to live in a city.

00:48:02.920 I don't want to live in a place where there's a weed shop on every corner.

00:48:05.860 I just fail to see how that is beneficial to anyone.

00:48:10.040 Yeah, it might keep some people out of prison who are going to use weed anyway, 0.66

00:48:17.000 but also prison can save people's lives.

00:48:20.140 Prison can reroute people's lives.

00:48:23.100 Prison can get people clean.

00:48:24.980 I just don't see a good argument for it.

00:48:27.300 And for people who say, well, alcohol is even more dangerous than weed,

00:48:31.420 don't tempt me with a good time.

00:48:33.600 I am ready to go back to the prohibition if you want to go there.

00:48:38.140 I don't think that saying that alcohol is dangerous is an argument for legalizing weed.

00:48:45.880 And by the way, you can drink a glass of wine.

00:48:49.180 You can drink a margarita once a month and feel nothing.

00:48:52.260 I don't see many patterns of people using weed in moderation and having a negligible effect on their mind.

00:49:04.660 And so weed, I think, should continue to be banned.

00:49:08.420 I hope that we see a reverse of the direction that we have been going.

00:49:12.600 Now, all of this reminds me of a conversation that I've been wanting to have about Karens because people who criticize weed are off.

00:49:24.400 I was literally for the tweet that said that weed is trashy. 0.99

00:49:28.020 Someone was like, I can just tell you hate black people. 0.99

00:49:30.080 I was like, what, what, where did this come from? 0.99

00:49:35.040 I do think a disproportionate number of weed users happen to be black Americans.

00:49:41.280 I did not know that at the time.

00:49:43.900 So I guess that's what that person meant.

00:49:45.860 And so you are criticized as a Karen.

00:49:49.860 But here's what I will say about Karens.

00:49:52.060 And we'll parse this out in a second.

00:49:54.400 Karens are the sentinels of civilization. 1.00

00:49:56.760 Karens exist because we have devolved into a chaotic state with no good customer service and with no one acting like they've been somewhere.

00:50:09.820 Y'all did not have a grandma named Dot who told you to act like you've been somewhere.

00:50:15.100 And it shows.

00:50:16.820 I did.

00:50:18.460 And so I know how to act like I've been somewhere.

00:50:21.540 But those of you who didn't have that, you have to have Karens.

00:50:25.960 Karens tell you how to behave. 0.97

00:50:29.020 I don't make the rules.

00:50:31.180 Karens do. 0.98

00:50:32.600 And that is why they're necessary in today's society.

00:50:36.260 Unfortunately, they are a symptom of our devolution of society.

00:50:41.920 And we'll get to that in just a second.

00:50:43.140 All right.

00:50:56.360 We're going to end today's episode talking about Karens.

00:51:00.100 And the different kinds of Karens.

00:51:01.980 Because there are Karens that we absolutely should demonize. 1.00

00:51:07.140 And then there are Karens who, as I said, are necessary.

00:51:10.020 But let me just say at the top, this name, Karen, came about as an anti-white pejorative.

00:51:18.240 Like, I'll just say that.

00:51:19.500 Because it's whether you're talking about the liberal white woman, Karen, who none of us really

00:51:24.940 like, or whether you're just talking about, like, the sweet grandmother who tries to ask

00:51:31.040 the cashier for the right amount of change.

00:51:33.660 Like, the term Karen has been slapped on white women as an anti-white, an anti-white racist, 1.00

00:51:44.480 if I may, term, name. 0.80

00:51:47.000 And it's okay to denigrate white people, especially white women. 1.00

00:51:52.500 That's the society that we live in.

00:51:54.480 That demeaning people because of the color of their skin is totally fine, as long as you 1.00

00:52:00.720 are doing it to white people.

00:52:02.660 So in that way, do I like to use that term?

00:52:06.360 I don't call people that term.

00:52:07.660 There are many of you out there named Karen.

00:52:09.320 And I'm sure you're lovely people.

00:52:11.880 No.

00:52:12.220 But I also just, again, want to bring up that some Karens are, in fact, necessary. 0.98

00:52:17.260 So here's our definition of a Karen.

00:52:20.080 Most definitions of Karen are not politically neutral.

00:52:22.940 Most of the left agrees Karens are racist, anti-vax, anti-mask. 0.54

00:52:26.740 Karen was a thing before COVID, but COVID really elevated the trend of posting videos about it.

00:52:31.920 This is according to The Atlantic.

00:52:33.320 Karens are the policewomen of human behavior. 1.00

00:52:35.640 Karens don't believe in vaccines. 0.95

00:52:36.960 Karens have short hair. 0.99

00:52:37.920 Karens are selfish. 0.95

00:52:39.000 Confusingly, Karens are both the kind of petty enforcers who patrol other people's 1.00

00:52:42.220 failures at social distancing and the kind of entitled woman who refused to wear a mask 1.00

00:52:46.600 because it's a muzzle.

00:52:48.300 And oh, and Karens are most definitely white. 0.97

00:52:50.560 See, that's true.

00:52:51.760 There are two different types there on the right and the left.

00:52:54.780 According to the BBC, Karen has, in recent years, become a widespread meme referencing

00:52:59.440 a specific type of middle-class white woman who exhibits behaviors that stem from privilege. 1.00

00:53:05.460 See, it's also just like a little bit classist there because it's the person who is unsophisticated,

00:53:10.800 the unsophisticated white woman. 0.98

00:53:14.460 We've got like this meme of the triggered white woman that has really been famous since,

00:53:19.580 I don't know, since 2015.

00:53:22.480 That's sometimes referred to as a Karen. 0.99

00:53:26.980 And then we've got poor Kate from John and Kate Plus 8, who is like typifies the Karen haircut. 1.00

00:53:33.060 She has also been used as a meme for several years.

00:53:36.340 Um, okay, here is an example of a Karen's out one.

00:53:40.500 Are you kidding me?

00:53:41.800 Get off the trail now!

00:53:43.680 Get off the trail!

00:53:44.640 There are so many families on this trail.

00:53:46.720 You are not supposed to be on here with motors.

00:53:48.460 Get off the trail.

00:53:49.020 You're paying a motor now.

00:53:49.940 Get off the trail!

00:53:51.140 Hey, no.

00:53:51.900 No, get off the trail.

00:53:52.980 This is a bicycle.

00:53:54.100 Get off the trail!

00:53:55.740 Have you heard of the term Karen?

00:53:57.460 That is you!

00:53:58.080 Okay, so I don't know all the details of that situation.

00:54:03.300 However, I would say that she's probably right.

00:54:05.680 They're on motorized bikes there, and it's dangerous.

00:54:09.820 You've got kids that are on tricycles.

00:54:11.700 You've got kids that are walking around.

00:54:13.500 It's really hard to stop if you're not paying attention and you're on a motorized bike.

00:54:18.220 I don't know.

00:54:18.840 Maybe that's allowed there.

00:54:20.380 But this is an example of what I'm talking about, that Karens have to police people who 1.00

00:54:25.220 are irresponsible and only think of themselves, who not only in certain situations don't provide

00:54:31.220 good customer service, but they are violating the social contract that is necessary in a

00:54:37.860 high-trust society.

00:54:39.360 And as I said a few minutes ago, because we don't live in a high-trust society that honors

00:54:43.820 the social construct or contract, we have to have these people who enforce rules, enforce

00:54:51.400 rules through yelling, enforce rules through shame, and it really makes for a very chaotic

00:54:57.600 society.

00:54:58.620 And yeah, that is, that's where we live.

00:55:01.380 Here's thought two.

00:55:03.240 Hi, what's going on?

00:55:04.780 You, see this house?

00:55:06.500 Yeah.

00:55:06.920 I live here.

00:55:08.040 Yeah.

00:55:08.460 And I'm a teacher.

00:55:09.640 So what's that supposed to do with me? 0.95

00:55:10.480 I work fucking hard, and you are keeping me up. 0.99

00:55:12.840 So you, go away before I call the police. 1.00

00:55:16.340 All right, cool.

00:55:16.740 Go, go.

00:55:17.420 Bye-bye.

00:55:18.180 Bye-bye.

00:55:20.140 See, this person is also being castigated and condemned as a Karen because she's trying

00:55:25.480 to sleep, and you've got a bunch of youths outside playing loud music, keeping her awake

00:55:30.520 when she has to wake up for work the next day.

00:55:33.680 A Karen apparently is anyone who stands in the way of you doing what you want to do and having 0.98

00:55:38.400 fun because a Karen has responsibilities. 1.00

00:55:41.020 But if it weren't for Karens, if it weren't for Karens, no one would get in order. 0.94

00:55:50.660 No one would do what they need to do because they are all just thinking about themselves.

00:55:55.780 There was this video going around on Twitter a few months ago, and it was this British woman.

00:56:02.740 She was following this couple.

00:56:05.740 It looked like a couple.

00:56:06.440 It was a young white girl, and the races are relevant to this conversation, and it was a

00:56:12.380 tall black man.

00:56:14.540 And the man was leading this young woman.

00:56:18.120 This young woman looked scared, and this woman was following them behind them and saying,

00:56:22.900 what are you doing with her?

00:56:23.800 Where are you going?

00:56:24.580 Where are you going?

00:56:25.300 Where are you going?

00:56:26.040 Why are you walking with her?

00:56:27.740 Do you know her?

00:56:28.720 Do you know her?

00:56:29.440 Do you know her?

00:56:30.700 And the man was like, leave us alone.

00:56:32.960 What are you doing?

00:56:33.820 And the girl was just standing there. 0.99

00:56:35.140 She wasn't looking up.

00:56:35.900 She wasn't saying anything.

00:56:37.080 Well, this so-called Karen kept on following them, kept on harassing them with their phone. 1.00

00:56:42.300 Finally, the guy looked at her, walked away.

00:56:44.960 The girl, this is all caught on camera.

00:56:47.000 She looks at this woman, and she just breaks down in tears.

00:56:49.480 She says, thank you so much.

00:56:50.600 Thank you so much.

00:56:51.220 I didn't know him.

00:56:51.880 He kidnapped me.

00:56:53.500 That's what Karens have to do, because we live in this disordered, chaotic society.

00:56:59.080 And so I agree with you, those Karens who truly are just trying to police people's behavior, 0.51

00:57:03.260 who are telling you to put your mask on.

00:57:05.920 And there was one lady the other day that I saw that apparently elbowed this 12-year-old 1.00

00:57:11.040 kid on the sidewalk because he had a MAGA hat on and carrying an American flag.

00:57:15.260 If you want to call that person Karen, that's fine.

00:57:18.340 I'm just saying Karen is a necessary, in many cases, symptom of where we are as a society.

00:57:25.860 Okay, so my question is, what do you call the person, the left-wing ideologue activist

00:57:33.020 who harasses people for not following her rules? 1.00

00:57:36.460 Apparently, we don't call her Karen because she's not white. 0.60

00:57:39.540 But tell me this isn't toxic behavior.

00:57:41.480 This is top four.

00:57:42.120 I have a question.

00:57:45.520 Are you guys black-owned?

00:57:47.620 We're not.

00:57:48.480 No, we're all Indonesian.

00:57:49.620 Okay, do you think using this, you guys are not using black culture to gain attention?

00:57:56.000 No, no.

00:57:56.720 You don't think this is black culture? 0.99

00:57:58.060 No, I think the trap.

00:57:58.900 I think everyone has.

00:57:59.900 Is this Asian culture? 0.99

00:58:01.100 The common house is definitely an Asian culture.

00:58:03.120 No, but it's the trap house, though.

00:58:04.860 Is that Asian culture?

00:58:06.060 I'm not a trap house.

00:58:06.220 Yes, it is.

00:58:07.140 Trap tea.

00:58:08.380 Trap tea.

00:58:09.540 Trap tea.

00:58:10.380 Trap tea.

00:58:11.300 Trap tea.

00:58:11.920 The boba plug.

00:58:13.040 You're using black culture to gain customers. 1.00

00:58:16.820 I don't even know. 0.84

00:58:17.840 Is trap house, is that black culture? 1.00

00:58:20.240 I don't know what that means. 0.96

00:58:21.280 Doesn't that mean like a house where you do drugs?

00:58:23.960 All right.

00:58:26.360 Okay.

00:58:27.140 So this is something that went viral on X and on TikTok.

00:58:31.740 It's these kinds of people that are policing from their place of self-victimization and intersectionality

00:58:38.000 that are very annoying.

00:58:40.080 The women who are willing, knowing that they will be called names, knowing that they will

00:58:45.880 be called a racist, are willing to say, hey, we got to follow some rules.

00:58:51.500 We got to respect other people.

00:58:54.820 We should have some customer service.

00:58:57.200 Those are the sentinels of civilization.

00:58:59.620 The women who are willing to follow someone around and say, hey, do you know her? 1.00

00:59:03.400 Do you know her?

00:59:03.980 Because you look sketchy.

00:59:05.300 The women who are not suppressing their intuition when they can tell something's wrong. 1.00

00:59:09.300 The women who are willing to say, weed smells bad and it's trash. 1.00

00:59:13.860 Those are the women that we still need in society. 1.00

00:59:16.100 And we still need men to stand up for those things, too.

00:59:18.640 And you can call them Karens.

00:59:19.700 You can call them anything you want to.

00:59:21.500 But that is where we are.

00:59:24.280 If you want to live in a civilized, orderly way, there are going to be gatekeepers.

00:59:29.080 There are going to be rule enforcers.

00:59:31.540 And so I don't think we should demean all people who stand up for the vestiges of the

00:59:37.800 social contract and demonize them as Karens. 0.87

00:59:43.000 The fear of being called a Karen has made many people suppress their instinct in the hope of

00:59:50.900 being deemed some kind of cool ally.

00:59:52.860 But I am not an ally with potheads or porn heads or any of the people who want to call the rest of

01:00:00.720 us civilized people, Karens.

01:00:03.480 We need Karen.

01:00:05.300 That is my entire message for at least the last half of this episode.

01:00:11.400 And we've been wanting to talk through that subject for a long time when we finally got it out.

01:00:15.520 All right.

01:00:16.020 That's all we got time for today.

01:00:16.920 We will be back here tomorrow.

01:00:18.000 Well,

01:00:20.220 we'll be back here tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 19, 2024

Ep 1022 ｜ Robert Morris Resigns, Potheads vs. Karens

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