Ep 1026 ｜ The Secret to Preventing Cancer ｜ Guest： Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy
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Summary
Cancer was once a disease that was mostly reserved for older people. That s no longer the case. Cancer diagnoses among young people in the United States have skyrocketed in the past 10 to 20 years. Why is that? And how do we reverse this trend? Today I have Dr. Leigh-Aaron Keneally, who created the Cancer Center for Healing as a result of this cancer epidemic, to share with us her story.
Transcript
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Cancer was once a disease that was mostly reserved for older people.
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Cancer diagnoses among young people in the United States has skyrocketed in the past
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She created the Cancer Center for Healing as a result of this cancer epidemic.
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She has got so much knowledge and wisdom to share with us today.
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You are going to learn so much from this episode of Wellness Wednesday.
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Dr. Keneally, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
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If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do.
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My name is Dr. Leigh-Aaron Keneally, and I'm a medical doctor.
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And I'm the medical director of Cancer Center for Healing and Center for New Medicine.
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So before we get into what it looks like to holistically fight cancer, because a lot of
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people have questions about what that even means, how did you get into this specific field
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When my mother was pregnant with me, she started bleeding.
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And she went to the doctor, and the doctor said, oh, I have a medication that will stop
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Fast forward 16 years later, my parents receive a letter that that drug, called DES, diethylstobestrol,
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could cause cancer in both male and female offspring, hormone problems, anatomical problems, infertility
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So I started going to MD Anderson Hospital, because I lived and grew up in Houston, Texas,
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and started going through lots of different evaluation procedures, because that's what they
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And so at that time, I knew I wanted to be a doctor.
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And so I went to college, got my degree in biology, went to medical school in Chicago,
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And then I was working in the hospitals and the ERs, and then I had the opportunity.
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I interviewed with a physician, and he said, oh, I will help you start your practice.
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And he was a little bit outside the box thinking.
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He was an internist and a pathologist, which is a very unique combination.
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Internist is a medical doctor that treats adult patients.
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You know, like pediatrician treats younger babies and stuff.
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A pathologist, they look at the tissue under the microscope and then make a, you know, a
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And you said that's an interesting combination.
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Combination, because you're seeing patients and then you're getting to see the pathology
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So he started teaching me lots of different things that I was like, whoa, I didn't learn
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And then growing up in Texas, my mother was ultra natural.
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I bet she was mortified when she got that letter.
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I mean, anyone would be, but especially someone who is so naturally, natural minded, thinking
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that a medication could still have effects on her children.
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And so you think, okay, this is the best option.
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And then what mother wants to risk losing their baby?
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And so, but, you know, hindsight's always 20-20.
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That drug was used for 40 years knowing it had oncogenic cancer-causing potential.
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So it did not cause any negative effects in you that you know of?
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One, I did have abnormal, they call it atypia or dysplasia, which is irregularity in the
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So you have normal cells, and then you have dysplasia, which is how they're cross-folding,
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And then I never had two periods in a row in my life, so I became a hormone expert.
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When I needed to have my babies, I had to go to an infertility expert because I never
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And then I developed scoliosis, and I had 18 hours of back surgery five years ago.
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And all of this is probably, as far as we know, from the pill that your mother took while
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Because we have no genetic predisposition for any of these things.
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I mean, I have five brothers and sisters, and they're all alive and well and actually have
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And so, you know, I always tell people, though, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if, you
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You know, your mess becomes your message, right?
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And gosh, there are so many lessons to be learned.
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That's what I was thinking, that, like, God orchestrated.
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I mean, how He just orchestrated your life based on something that was bad, that was, you
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know, harmful in a lot of ways, but used it for you to kind of be a vessel of healing
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But I also think of the whole kind of trust the science message that especially we heard during
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COVID, and within that was kind of the message that you should never question what's considered
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science in the moment, or you should never question doctors.
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But we can see throughout medical history that there have been a variety of medical solutions
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And it was maybe because not enough people spoke up at the time or knew to speak up at the
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time and wouldn't question that they kind of got away with that for so long.
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And especially now more than ever, and I would tell anyone out there listening, is to question
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everything, go down the rabbit hole, get different opinions.
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And really, you know, the Hippocratic oath is first, do no harm.
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And so, you know, before, I mean, before the conventional medical allopathic protocol, all
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Allopathic is the way that we practice medicine today.
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You get a diagnosis, you diagnose, and then you treat either with drugs or surgery.
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I mean, what conventional medical doctors do now.
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And so, but a hundred years ago, before the advent of penicillin, all doctors had to treat
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their patients naturally because there were no medications.
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And so patients, all doctors had to use natural remedies.
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And they had to go to the root cause or they wanted to go to the root cause, right?
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You know, to really explain to people their root causes, you know, everybody always wants
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to relate and get one thing to fix their problem, right?
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And I tell people the miracle that you're privileged to live in is not easy, quick, fast
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We are 50 million cells, 50 trillion cells, excuse me, with the most unbelievable anatomy,
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physiology, I mean, electrical aspects of our body that, you know, it's absolutely amazing
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And if we all grew up with that and we all were taught that our, you know, body and our
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mind and our spirit is this beautiful sanctuary that we need to take care of, it would be very,
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So I know I kind of backtracked us a little bit, but going off of that, you said that once
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you were starting your practice and you met this doctor who decided to help you, he, you
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said he was a pathologist and an internist, internist, um, and that he did, he started
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teaching you things that you hadn't grown up knowing or thinking about or learning in
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So I started my practice cause I was like, okay, what is a good way to get patients?
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And so, and it's still a great way to get patients.
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And so he taught me also how to, it was a very interesting story because when I was
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21, I was living in Mexico to learn Spanish and my girlfriend, she was from Hungary and
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we would trade food journals and to lose weight.
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And so then we kept track of our food and our exercise and everything that we were doing
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So I was doing that before I even practice medicine.
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So I'm just interested, you were learning Spanish in Mexico just cause you wanted to,
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I grew up in Texas, but I never, my mother made me always take Latin.
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And so Spanish, when I was young, I would travel to Mexico City to spend my summers.
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Well, it's helpful for many, many different things.
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Not to mention the literature and the history is amazing to learn, glean from.
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I know I keep on taking you down these rabbit trails.
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So you were trading food journals with your friend that was in Hungary at the time, which
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That's such an interesting way to like, to just compare the different kinds of foods.
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We were our accountability partner, basically, right?
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Which is kind of what everyone kind of needs, is someone to hold them accountable.
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We both were very successful because we each had to tell each other what we were doing.
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And so, anyway, so then that extrapolated to me starting my practice in basically
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hypometabolic medicine, which everybody wants to blame their metabolism on their weight loss,
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So anyway, so he taught me lots of different things about hormones.
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I knew about hormones, what you learn in medical school, but the actual understanding of hormones
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and what they do in your body has been an entire revelation for me personally and professionally.
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And so, so I really, when we had a patient, we always asked them how they live.
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I know people hate food journals, but it's like the best way to know what you're eating
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and you have to force yourself to like, take a look at that, right?
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And so, and then stress is a whole nother thing to deal with.
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So anyway, so then when patients would come in to see me, my first office was in Beverly
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Hills, California, and patients after a while, you know, we, you would see patients and they
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And they would bring in some fascinating information.
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I'm like, oh my God, I've never even heard of this.
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So I started going down different rabbit holes based upon my patients asking me for information.
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No, any, it could be anything, longevity, anti-aging, hormones, all different things.
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So people were coming to you specifically for that?
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For weight loss specifically, but what they were bringing in kind of covered a broad spectrum
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So I started going down all these different rabbit holes and I was like, oh, whoa, there's
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And because in medical school, let's face it, it's didactic.
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And when you are trained at a hospital, you're looking at emergency situations, people with
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big tumors, people bleeding, people drug overdose.
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I mean, you're not dealing with the day to day, you know, functionalities of a person,
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So when you go out in the real world, not that you might not have a crisis, but you're
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seeing patients who are coming to see you maybe for an annual visit, maybe they need hormone
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replacement, maybe they're coming to see you for preventive care, maybe they have a diagnosis
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of diabetes or autoimmune, or one of the biggest complaints people have today is fatigue.
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And so, you know, people come to you now for all different reasons.
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And, you know, now I see everything from stage four cancer to human optimization.
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And so it's in everything, like you talked about earlier, everything has many, many, many
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And so when you're treating a patient, the label is just the diagnosis, because in conventional
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medicine, we use a diagnosis because that's how you get paid.
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So we have the electronic medical record, and it's all, you know, pre-populated with how
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So I customize mine because it's very different than the regular history and physical.
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And then the patient gets a diagnosis, let's say chronic fatigue syndrome, let's say hypertension,
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And so the doctor will get paid based upon their diagnosis.
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And so I look at it as how do I de-diagnose you?
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How do I take away those diagnoses and create health and build health?
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And if you look at what's going on in our world today, autism is at an all time high.
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60% of our elementary kids have one or more chronic illnesses.
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Our children have the highest rate of anxiety, depression, and suicide, and 30-year-olds are
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Doctors should be in outrage and the public should be in outrage because this is unacceptable.
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If we can send people to the moon and talk to Africa, we should be able to create health
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But you say it mostly for a lot of doctors comes down to, you said medical school is didactic.
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You said that just what they're learning in medical school is not necessarily how to holistically heal
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someone, but basically what insurance code to put down based on the diagnosis, right?
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And doctors are overwhelmed by the demands of their electronic medical record.
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So they have very little time to truly care and talk to the patient because their electronic
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Long time ago, I didn't have an electronic medical record.
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We had typewriters and we did everything by hand.
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And so, and we sat down and we talked to people.
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Or you don't need to go to the emergency room and they look at your diagnosis and they
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They have a prescription in their pocket or in their hand.
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And prescription drugs, some people say it's the number one cause of death and some people
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say, the CD says, it's the third leading cause of death.
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Cause literally you probably can't account, right?
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How someone dies if they're taking five medicines, 10 medicines, correct?
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And we know heart disease is up there in the top three and cancer.
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And so we should be able to create, like, again, I say is health and human optimization
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You know, I had an endocrinologist who recently just retired from his practice and he's only,
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you know, he's only in his fifties and he said he's only taking some concierge, uh, patients.
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And the, what he told me is it's because of the insurance and how much time that takes
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He was like, I didn't go to medical school for this or like, this is not why I do what
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And so I'm sure if that's what he's saying, that's how a lot of doctors feel.
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I'm not spending all my time figuring out the, you know, the diagnosis just to basically
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Well, interestingly enough, 38 years ago, I took insurance.
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Then as time goes on, like your doctor was saying, they're not paying the doctor.
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Basically, you're working, working, working feverishly.
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Most doctors work like 12 hours, 10 to 12 hours a day, just to see the patients, do the
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electronic medical records, refill prescriptions, make sure there's nothing critical going on.
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And so I decided, we decided as a team, like, no, we cannot do this anymore.
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And so it was the best decision I ever made is getting out of insurance.
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And now we can properly take care of our patients.
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That's why a lot of physicians are opting out to do concierge medicine.
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Concierge medicine, though, is still not fixing you.
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Most concierge doctors are, it's just like they're limiting the amount of people they see.
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They'll sit down and talk to them, which is part of good care is sitting down and talking
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And, but they're not really practicing holistically.
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The other words we use today are integratively or functionally, right?
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So it's combining the best of conventional medicine with the new, what I call updated,
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Most things, if you went to medical school, in five to seven years, what you learned is
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So there is, it got to be a continuous upgrade of knowledge that you have to be acquiring to
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So either, if you're going to do the insurance thing, and I'm just thinking about my own experience,
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the most experience I've had with doctors is when I've given birth three times and I'm
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comparing like my OB versus the midwife group and they both took insurance.
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So I'm guessing it's either you opt out of the whole insurance scheme altogether, or you
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limit the number of patients you can see, which is, I think what my midwife group did, because
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I think about how they treated me every appointment they would sit down, they would talk to me like
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And then my OB, I'm sure, you know, he's a great doctor.
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It was literally maybe 30 seconds, like he would come in and he would say the same thing.
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And then he was out and I didn't even, you know, get to know him.
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And I'm guessing it's, you know, because of this, like sees a bunch of patients, but also
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all the insurance stuff, which can really have a big effect on patients, right?
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It does because you're just, you're just not getting care.
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Basically, you're getting the absolute necessity, okay, of what you need.
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And you, but again, if you're just getting a prescription, how is that fixing you?
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So you said that patients see you for now a wide range of things.
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Before we get into the cancer portion, I'm interested in your perspective on weight loss.
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I mean, there's been debates for years and years and years on how to properly lose weight.
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I remember learning in college, Fitness 101, that it's, there may be a variety of factors,
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Does it come down to that, calories in, calories out?
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Well, I believe, yes, there is, but studies show that today people have very inefficient
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And the way it was, you know, 30 years ago, 60 years ago, people had better metabolisms.
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Now, with all the extreme exposure of toxicity from everything from endocrine disruptors to
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insecticides, pesticides, glyphosate and everything, we're a chemical soup every day and every
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So how you take in the, you know, universe and sell somebody else does is completely different.
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We're all unique in how our body detoxifies, how it processes everything.
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And then let's face it, you know, most people don't follow a healthy lifestyle, all right?
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So if you don't sleep, you'll have a tendency to put on weight.
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It should be, you want to honor your circadian rhythm, which is about 10 to 6, give or take
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They replace it with energy drinks or other kinds of drinks.
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And, but you got to, you want to drink water because water helps the body detoxify and do
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And I'm not saying you need to over drink, you know, but you just don't want to under drink.
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But then people eat a lot of processed foods and a lot of seed oils and almost everything
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When people start consciously looking and become a forensic food scientist, they really
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Now, if you're buying a one ingredient like an apple or a zucchini, you know usually what
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But we have to buy all of that produce now organic because of the insecticides and pesticides.
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So I think being mindful and conscious of your food intake and how much food, because
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we are a society of extreme proportions, correct?
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And then we have 800 muscles that need to move our body.
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And, you know, they say sitting's the new smoking.
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So people sit on their computer, they're sitting doing everything instead of maximizing their
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And so that's kind of a, you know, it sounds simple and it is simple, okay, but people don't
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When you sit down, I ask every patient all these questions.
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And then when you talk about stress, because stress increases your cortisol, therefore
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I mean, they've always been stressed, but it seems like it's more intense today.
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So when the cortisol goes up and you're in fight or flight, is your body saying, oh, I've
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got to hold on to this fat because I don't know what kind of threat I'm facing?
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Well, so cortisol causes the increase in sugar.
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So insulin comes in to bring down the sugar and it tells your body to store fat.
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And then a lot of people have hormone imbalances.
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Thyroid, for example, is a very large growing amount of people who have thyroid dysfunction.
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And so if you don't have, if your thyroid's not good, that's going to affect your metabolism
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And then you've got to take the proper replacement of thyroid.
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And most doctors just give Synthroid or level thyroxine.
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But a lot of people, a lot of women who are in my position, it's just, it's easier to
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take Synthroid, especially if like, you know, I've had three kids in the past five years.
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I've been scared to mess with it or to get off of it because, you know, I want to be able
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So I think it's also kind of scary to try to address it in a more holistic way.
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But the endocrine system, you know, hormones are the natural drugs to your body.
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And so it is very important for a mother to be to have an optimal endocrine system.
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They have their pancreas, which makes insulin and glucagon.
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They have their ovaries that make estrogens and progesterone and testosterone.
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And then you have your adrenal glands, which sit on top of your kidney like little hats.
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So the health of your endocrine system is of paramount importance because that is what
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you're giving your baby, is the baby is living off of you.
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So you want to be optimal so that the baby is optimal.
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And I would say hormone problems exist tremendously today because of the endocrine disruptors that
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So like, for example, we measure the phthalate level on all of our patients because that-
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So that is an important, you know, thing to look at.
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Because like I said earlier, we're living in a toxic soup in our body and in extreme toxicity
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in our air and our water and our food and then everything we put on our body.
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Do you think it's possible if someone addresses all of those factors and tries to rid as much
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as possible those endocrine disruptors that they could heal something like hypothyroidism?
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I think if they properly took care of their body, all right, then properly purified, if
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they probably got their iodine levels and then again, you know, you don't just say, okay, I'm
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First of all, I always try to fix the patient as good as possible in the beginning and then
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So if you came in to me, some of my patients were like, no, can I do this completely naturally?
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And then some patients maybe feel so bad that we institute some kind of, you know, replacement.
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It's a natural form of armor because armor changed the formulation a while back.
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And you like that better just because it's more natural?
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So your brain makes something called thyroid stimulating hormone, sends a message to your
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It doesn't do anything until the liver converts it to T3.
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So if you're not a good converter, you're still low in your T3.
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And really, when you take care of patients, most patients feel better on that natural combo
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of T4 and T3 than just Synthroid or levothyroxine.
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Well, if I have a patient that comes in on Synthroid, I'll go, okay, well, let's just
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Maybe you're a good converter and maybe you're making sufficient T3.
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Instead of looking at one or two things, which is typical of the medical profession, I'm looking
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Looking at thyroid antibodies, looking at reverse T3, looking, you know, at the entire panel of
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And as we're talking about how much hormones can affect not just how someone feels, but
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Have you seen in women who, they had their baby, they're wanting to lose weight, it can
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I guess my question is, like, what is your recommendation for women who are postpartum
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and they're wanting to get back to their pre-baby weight, but it's just been difficult to lose
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Asking from personal experience, for me, a lot of people say that, oh, breastfeeding
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And it has always been until, like, a year after birth that I get back to my pre-pregnancy
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weight and I really kind of hang on to the pounds for a while until I'm, like, almost done
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So I'm just curious your thoughts on that and, like, what your recommendation would be to
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Well, I think, first of all, don't stress yourself out about that, okay?
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I would say the top three complaints for women are wait, wait, and wait, okay?
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And so I think, first of all, try to do everything that you can.
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But when you're a mother, like for you, you have three children, you're busy, you're working,
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Make sure you can partner with a doctor who can really assess the entire hormonal orchestra
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Now, when you're nursing, obviously, it's very different because your prolactin is high
00:31:39.280
and you're nursing the baby and your hormones aren't what they're going to be when you stop
00:31:46.080
Prolactin is the hormone that causes the release of milk.
00:31:50.280
And how does that affect your body's ability to metabolize and lose weight?
00:31:56.780
You know, your whole system is, you know, you're not having periods.
00:32:01.380
Yeah, you're not having periods and, you know, everything's on hold until you feed that baby,
00:32:07.780
So, and every woman, it's a little different because some women, like you said, their metabolism,
00:32:12.140
it's great after, you know, they have their baby and they're nursing and they're, and you,
00:32:21.620
And so, but, but, you know, I wouldn't like, I always tell people, it's sometimes good for
00:32:28.220
you to be of good, healthy weight and, you know, not be skinny, skinny when you're having
00:32:35.940
So, I think, start working on that after you have that, after you quit nursing and then
00:32:47.280
Because with you, with three kids, you're trying to survive every day.
00:32:51.160
And so, you're doing the best job, but, you know, let's face it, it's a lot.
00:32:58.700
And so, you have to have like extreme order and organization if you want to do it all.
00:33:05.320
And like you said, the stress that can come along with trying to do everything perfectly
00:33:11.040
can actually inhibit you from being able to lose weight quickly.
00:33:17.200
Right, because nursing is not going to be your end game.
00:33:20.320
It's going to be, you know, during the time that you decide to nurse that baby.
00:33:25.580
And then after that, your body's going to get back into its normal circadian rhythm and
00:33:32.580
And you mentioned sleep, and this is definitely relevant to moms with little ones.
00:33:39.100
How does sleep or lack of sleep affect your ability to get healthy and lose weight?
00:33:45.200
Well, sleep is like, we don't even understand all the mysteries of sleep.
00:33:53.520
That's when it goes into repair, into regeneration.
00:33:56.480
And so, if it doesn't have the opportunity to do that, then you wake up and you start the whole
00:34:11.760
Now, when you're nursing, I remember I had twins.
00:34:14.060
And I was, you know, when you're up with two babies, but, you know, you get through it.
00:34:21.440
And hopefully, after four to six months, the babies are sleeping through the night.
00:34:28.180
My oldest slept after four months and the twins probably after four to six months.
00:34:33.300
So, I was able, you know, to get my sleep back.
00:34:36.620
And so, because I put my babies on a schedule because with twins, like, you can't.
00:34:46.360
But not me because I had an extreme schedule with my work and everything.
00:34:52.860
And then no one would want to come and help take care of my kids if my kids weren't on
00:34:57.780
So, if they had the same time of eating and playing and everything, it was all predictable
00:35:11.360
We did, my first two slept through the night probably six months or even sooner than that.
00:35:16.580
My youngest right now, she does, but it's been, it's taken a lot longer.
00:35:23.280
And I can tell a difference just in my joints and how I feel, my energy, my ability to think.
00:35:29.840
And when she did start sleeping through the night, most nights anyway, it was like, I
00:35:33.260
didn't even realize how slow my brain had been working until I started sleeping.
00:35:38.220
And I was like, oh my gosh, I feel like I think quicker.
00:35:49.980
I know if I don't sleep well, oh, I pay big time.
00:36:07.480
I'm so interested to hear about your perspective on cancer.
00:36:11.340
My mom went through breast cancer and thankfully she's healed now.
00:36:16.600
And she really changed how she ate, how she lived her life.
00:36:20.160
And she did a lot of what you're talking about.
00:36:21.920
She started looking at the food and not just like, okay, is it a salad versus a donut, but
00:36:28.920
And I really think that helped her heal quickly.
00:36:32.240
She also did a few rounds of radiation, but she really wanted to be as natural as possible.
00:36:37.520
And so that kind of made me interested in how to fight back against cancer.
00:36:43.500
And I see a lot of different strategies and opinions out there.
00:36:46.780
Some who swear by veganism, some who swear by carnivore, some who swear by whatever else.
00:36:51.960
But tell us your big picture perspective on how to fight cancer.
00:36:57.200
Well, first of all, the cure for cancer is prevention.
00:37:01.400
So everyone today, since cancer rates are one in two people, should be focusing on prevention
00:37:08.100
and not whether or not you're going to get a diagnosis.
00:37:12.560
Because cancer takes 10 years to develop from one cancer cell to tumor in the conventional
00:37:22.800
So that means you have eight years of opportunity to prevent cancer.
00:37:28.400
So, but by the time it shows up on a, you know, ultrasound CT scan or something, it's
00:37:38.000
So we had, like I said, we have eight, eight years to prevent.
00:37:42.120
We already know many, many things that, that lifestyle is what is the biggest contributor.
00:37:51.460
The single greatest determinant of whether they were going to get cancer was what they
00:37:57.460
So we need to all really get conscious and mindful of how do we live each and every day.
00:38:05.900
What I talked about earlier, how much sleep, how much water, and you can't drink water now
00:38:14.360
So you have to have some kind of water purification system.
00:38:17.240
You have to eat foods that nourish, strengthen, and heal your body and mostly organic.
00:38:24.600
You have to really lighten your alcohol, not smoke, and get your stress under control.
00:38:31.420
Have wonderful friends around you and have that social element and have people who really
00:38:37.820
love you, care for you, and nourish, you know, your soul.
00:38:41.480
And so those things are, would be, you know, which is all things you can do yourself, right?
00:38:48.420
And so there's a book called Radical Remission, and, and these were all stage four cancer patients.
00:38:55.080
And eight out of the 10 things they did were things they did on their own.
00:38:58.980
So if you're diagnosed with cancer, so I would, first of all, need, you know, when you go
00:39:06.820
to any medical institution, they're going to tell you surgery, chemo, or radiation.
00:39:13.680
So like I said, this cancer didn't just start, but everyone should be taking a deep dive.
00:39:22.120
And so, and really take a, you know, look at many different things, read many different
00:39:28.520
books, get people around you who can assist you and help you and show you all the different
00:39:35.000
But in this day and time, just taking the traditional approach is immunosuppressive and injurious.
00:39:42.640
And so, and not to mention, we have something called circulating tumor cells that actually
00:39:52.780
So, you know, circulating tumor cells were discovered in 1948.
00:39:56.500
There's five articles a day on PubMed and no doctor even checks them because the laboratories
00:40:03.580
here in the United States, you know, there's one that we use, but it's, you know, so, so.
00:40:08.940
I prefer, I prefer other laboratories to assess circulating tumor cells.
00:40:14.600
So, you can't change, you can't get rid of cancer in a quick lumpectomy or a quick mastectomy.
00:40:25.160
Because you didn't change the garden and the terrain came in.
00:40:29.220
And there's something called the tumor microenvironment.
00:40:35.440
So Otto Warburg, a hundred years ago, said that cancer was an acidic, low oxygen, and sugar
00:40:45.560
And when I say sugar, it's basically an anaerobic glycolysis.
00:40:49.520
And what that means is the cells are replicating in a low oxygen environment and very inefficient.
00:40:57.580
Your normal cells are aerobic and make 36 ATP, which is your currency of life.
00:41:02.900
And a cancer is inefficient, only makes two ATP.
00:41:06.200
And so, again, so if you decide to do surgery, okay, what's going to happen to that tumor microenvironment?
00:41:15.100
Because a surgery is very hard on the body, okay?
00:41:20.400
You need to get yourself spiritually, emotionally, physically prepared to undergo a surgery.
00:41:27.200
Then, if you need to do chemo, what is chemotherapy?
00:41:32.840
A very, very serious toxin and can affect every single cell and every single system in the body.
00:41:40.300
Again, what does it do to the tumor microenvironment?
00:41:45.940
So, if you're doing chemotherapy, you must have this collateral protective plan so that
00:41:53.160
you can do your surgery, you can do the chemotherapy if need be.
00:41:59.900
And then radiation, that has to be decided individually because radiation is immunosuppressive
00:42:11.200
And so, it's weird, you know, like we prescribe these things and we don't think, what is it
00:42:32.180
Well, that kills your microbiome, which is one of the most studied things now today.
00:42:37.620
Your microbiome is, you know, the bacterial universe that is bigger than your 50 trillion
00:42:44.000
And so, you take an antibiotic, you kill your entire microbiome, your entire forest of bacteria
00:42:53.560
And then what happens when you take antibiotics?
00:42:57.720
You risk growing yeast, which is fungus, all right?
00:43:02.640
So, that is a microorganism that contributes to inflammation in the body.
00:43:09.840
So, we want to make sure that that patient starts eating fermented food and taking good
00:43:15.060
probiotic and then assure that the patient doesn't develop yeast.
00:43:18.820
You know how like women will take an antibiotic, they get a yeast infection, right?
00:43:22.980
So, we need to make sure that what we've done to the patient, now they have created homeostasis
00:43:33.340
And what about vitamin C therapy and things like that for cancer?
00:43:38.940
Well, I, there's many, many magic bullets, okay?
00:43:42.940
There's not a magic bullet, there's lots of them.
00:43:45.760
And when you have cancer, because you have to think of cancer as, okay, if you have a billion
00:43:52.900
cells in a cancer tumor, they're all in their own universe.
00:44:03.260
And so, using one thing usually doesn't work, right?
00:44:09.740
So, besides changing your lifestyle factors, you know, vitamin C is one thing, orally and
00:44:17.440
intravenously, it's been used many, many years.
00:44:20.680
Linus Pauling, who got the Nobel Prize for inventing the chemical bond, he talked about
00:44:27.000
And then so many people after that have talked about oral vitamin C and IV vitamin C.
00:44:32.480
I would say vitamin C is probably the most important nutrient that every human needs to take because
00:44:43.340
It's the antidote to chemicals and toxins in your environment.
00:44:49.160
And it is, you know, incredibly helpful for neutralizing other microorganisms and everything
00:45:00.700
So, I would say that's like something every man, woman, and child.
00:45:05.500
We're the only mammals who don't make our own vitamin C.
00:45:16.540
Lemons, lime, squeeze a whole lemon or lime, kiwis.
00:45:21.360
There's lots of things that have natural vitamin C.
00:45:25.400
So, yes, you can try to get all of your nutrients through food.
00:45:30.200
I mean, I check everybody's vitamins and minerals.
00:45:37.620
So, I'm figuring out which person need because all of your cells need lots of vitamins and
00:45:46.600
And it's almost impossible to get it eating food, you know, just regular food.
00:45:55.520
I remember years ago, I had this young lady and she was in her 30s and she had a lymphoma.
00:46:04.160
And she told me her regimen every day that she did.
00:46:09.680
All the nutrients, all the herbs she took and everything.
00:46:12.120
And I did her nutrient assessment and I was like, whoa, this girl has so many nutrient
00:46:19.980
So, it just goes to show you, you can't guess on those things.
00:46:24.940
And now, we have the ability to measure so many things in medicine.
00:46:29.280
So, we might as well do that because, like I said earlier, every person, every individual
00:46:38.520
And how they respond to the universe is very different.
00:46:42.260
You know, you're not living in a petri dish where you're controlling the medium every day.
00:46:47.200
You're exposed to, you know, other people, the energy of other people, all the toxins in
00:46:53.920
whatever environment you're in, electromagnetic fields.
00:46:57.300
I mean, we're bombarded every single day with something new and different.
00:47:03.240
And so, like I read a study last weekend that they examined the heavy metals and infant formulas.
00:47:10.760
And 20 of them, all 20 that tested, had heavy metals.
00:47:14.640
Now, to get a formula registered and okay to be used for a baby is very, very rigorous.
00:47:25.500
You're like, what, you're giving your baby heavy metals?
00:47:30.840
So, heavy metals are like mercury, cadmium, aluminum.
00:47:38.120
There's no, the EPA says there's no safe level of any heavy metal.
00:47:47.480
But it's, well, how are they able, like how is secret able to have deodorant with aluminum in it if the FDA says that there's no, you know, healthy level?
00:48:00.120
Look how many things when you go to the grocery store.
00:48:05.520
That's why I said you have to become a forensic food scientist.
00:48:10.820
And now there's so many different things that you can.
00:48:14.180
There's environmental working group that shows everything that's toxic.
00:48:21.580
There's all these different apps now that show you what's in things.
00:48:29.800
And so, formula, all these heavy metals exist in the formula.
00:48:36.260
Organic and non-organic, 100% had heavy metals.
00:48:46.660
They block the Krebs cycle of energy, which is how your body makes ATP.
00:48:51.880
So, I see when we test, because we test probably almost everybody for heavy metals.
00:48:57.740
I've not seen anyone that doesn't have heavy metals.
00:49:03.280
So, we're all in the same boat because we're all being exposed to what the world has today.
00:49:10.220
But, you know, unfortunately, this is the world we're living in, okay, where things, we utilize things without a check and balance.
00:49:21.480
And so, you, I always tell people, self-care is the new health care.
00:49:28.540
You taking charge and responsibility and accountability for your own life, I would say education, education, educate yourself on what is going on and what you can do for yourself.
00:49:41.240
Because, as you know, health has to be our number one value.
00:49:44.820
If we don't have our health, we don't have anything.
00:49:47.300
You can't be a good mother, you can't be a good sister, you can't be a good daughter, and you can't be good at what you do, and you can't be a good wife.
00:49:56.920
So, everything hinges on your ability to be healthy.
00:50:00.360
And so, we all need to make that front and center, and that's what you need to teach your children.
00:50:05.700
I'm guessing that you don't think too highly of aspects of the so-called body positivity movement
00:50:27.800
that are not really positive about the body when you think about it because they're really encouraging in a lot of ways being unhealthy and being slothful and eating whatever you want to.
00:50:39.100
I'm not saying that everyone needs to look the same to be beautiful, but there is a message out there today that there's really no one way to be healthy,
00:50:47.180
and being morbidly obese is totally fine if that's how you want to live your life.
00:50:53.460
There is kind of this relativistic message out there today that claims to be body positive, but really, I think it's encouraging a lot of toxic behavior that harms us.
00:51:07.480
Well, as we all know, there's rules and laws of Mother Nature.
00:51:13.780
But we do know how the body works and what is going to create the best outcome.
00:51:19.980
There's something called evidence-based medicine.
00:51:23.920
We can see if we do these things, we have better outcomes.
00:51:28.540
We know that if you're obese, your increased risk for mostly all diseases, including cancer.
00:51:39.180
And we know that creates, you know, lower brain function isn't as good, increased risk of fatty liver.
00:51:48.600
We know increased risk of cancer, increased risk of hormone problems, because the adipose organ, the fat organ, acts as an organ in and of itself,
00:52:01.700
creating inflammation and metabolic molecules that your body has to process.
00:52:06.880
So your body is working so hard to take care of you.
00:52:13.600
So it's not a matter of, you know, what we want to accept, you know.
00:52:22.020
It's we want to create order in your human universe.
00:52:47.620
So, you know, I love the fact that everybody wants to accept all these things, but it's not that.
00:52:56.080
It is, I want the very best for you and you want the very best for me.
00:53:00.120
And that's what we should all want, is what is the very best for us.
00:53:05.360
Now, I know people say, oh, I have my own way of thinking about that.
00:53:08.780
But, again, we want to do what we know is going to create the best version of yourself.
00:53:21.340
I saw that you posted that there's a study that shows the increase in specifically colorectal cancer for young people, right, has just skyrocketed in the last 10 to 20 years.
00:53:33.280
It used to be that that was a type of cancer that was reserved for very old people.
00:53:38.400
Really, all types of cancer used to be more just an old person problem.
00:53:48.160
Well, yeah, I did talk about that, too, because it's interesting.
00:53:52.960
So the guidelines for colorectal cancer is to get a colonoscopy when you're 50.
00:54:00.580
Well, now, because of the increase in young people, 35 years of age, 40 years of age, are getting cancer, they lowered it to 45.
00:54:08.660
And I'm like, oh, well, you're going to miss all those people less than 45.
00:54:12.540
So, but if you look at what people do today, you know, they're not eating the right foods.
00:54:18.960
They're eating foods with lots of chemicals and toxins and seed oils and, you know, most of them are probably deficient in vitamins and minerals.
00:54:28.700
And seed oils inflame the body, make it harder to fight toxins.
00:54:43.000
So the membrane has something called essential fatty acids.
00:54:46.380
They're called essential because you have to have them, omega-3s, 6s, and 9s.
00:54:50.100
And so that magical membrane is made up of essential fatty acids and something called phosphatylcholine.
00:54:56.780
And phosphatylcholine is the cement and the bricks.
00:55:00.980
The bricks are, I mean, the essential fatty acids are the bricks and the phosphatylcholine is cement.
00:55:08.980
There's over 30,000 receptor sites for everything to work, for all your hormones, all your signaling to take place.
00:55:17.040
And so if you have seed oils, it's gumming up that membrane.
00:55:22.560
And it just makes it harder for the body to function.
00:55:25.100
And so it's interfering on a cellular level, the functionality.
00:55:31.400
So that's one of the reasons why we're seeing a higher number of these cases of cancers that used to just be in older people.
00:55:41.840
Because of, you know, what they're eating and then the ingestion, I think, of toxins.
00:55:46.340
And also, you know, I'll bring up something that most people don't even think about is parasites.
00:55:53.260
You know, parasites, all bugs can contribute to the scenario of cancer.
00:55:57.980
And so American doctors don't think you can have parasites.
00:56:02.200
And so because we have this clean, sterile society, right?
00:56:09.320
I remember years ago I went to a sushi cooking class.
00:56:13.200
And so they had the fillets of meat on the table.
00:56:17.040
And so I asked the instructor, I said, oh, what is that lighter version on that fish over there?
00:56:23.320
After he had, you know, taken the skin off and made the fillets, he goes, oh, that's parasites.
00:56:30.900
So parasites, you know, I was taught by the American Academy of Gastroenterologists.
00:56:40.880
And so one day at dinner 25 years ago, we were talking.
00:56:45.840
He was telling me and teaching me how he diagnosed parasites.
00:56:48.620
And I'm like, wow, I'm not even addressing that in my practice.
00:56:54.580
And so now I took what he taught me and now, you know, have gone down the extreme way to diagnose and treat parasites.
00:57:04.100
So it's something that, you know, again, is one of the contributing causes to cancer.
00:57:11.240
So, you know, cancer isn't just one disturbances.
00:57:14.320
It's the perfect storm that's creating this chaotic environment.
00:57:24.580
You mentioned at the beginning the Hippocratic Oath, which says, first, do no harm.
00:57:37.060
It doesn't seem like that is the highest priority today in most of the medical world.
00:57:44.760
I would agree with that because doctors are taught a very indoctrinated version of medicine.
00:57:54.020
And so when you're taught in medical school, you're taught, you know, how the body works.
00:58:00.140
Then the pharmacology that you use on the diagnosis you're making.
00:58:06.080
And then you may need surgery in some cases if it's a diseased organ.
00:58:10.760
And then, you know, you just follow the patient and wait till the next thing happens, right?
00:58:21.760
Patient care should be preventive, proactive, precise, and personalized.
00:58:29.320
And your day as a physician would be a lot easier if you just optimize patients.
00:58:35.900
Think how much easier a doctor's day and just think how much easier the patient's life is.
00:58:42.140
I know that I, 50% of the cancer patients I see are stage four.
00:58:48.460
And a lot of them have already done everything.
00:58:55.680
And of course, if anyone had their druthers, they would say,
00:58:59.360
I'd do anything and everything to have prevented this in the first place.
00:59:03.140
And so I just, when I see these cases, and unfortunately, you know, when you're 30 and 35,
00:59:16.140
Because, like we thought, I used to say, that people had a warranty until they're 40.
00:59:21.500
And then 40 to 60, you're on the semi-warranty plan.
00:59:24.540
And then 60 up is pure repair, upkeep, and maintenance.
00:59:27.020
But now I can't say that because I have so many young people who have not just cancer, but they have Lyme disease.
00:59:36.840
They have pre-diabetes and diabetes is the majority of the population.
00:59:42.000
They say that 93% of people are metabolically unhealthy.
00:59:46.040
So that means their, you know, insulin and sugar is not good.
00:59:50.660
And they have all of these autoimmune and all kinds of, you know, diseases.
00:59:56.600
And, you know, like how are you going to live life with that kind of compromise and challenge to the body?
01:00:15.240
They get, you know, I had a patient, their daughter had died from cancer.
01:00:21.800
So she's like, I don't want to do any conventional treatments.
01:00:24.860
So I see the entire realm, but they have a lot of PTSD from being diagnosed and from the system.
01:00:33.020
And then, like we talked about earlier, doctors don't have the time to really sit down, discuss everything.
01:00:41.400
And then if a doctor has only in his toolkit conventional medical approach, you know, they're not going to talk about, well, tell me how your stress is, Allie.
01:00:55.780
And so, which is stress, you know, some people say that stress is the number one killer, okay?
01:01:03.000
But, you know, how do you live your life every day?
01:01:06.480
Tell me what you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
01:01:14.620
You know, is your stress, you know, outrageously stressful?
01:01:17.800
You know, so, you know, the doctor doesn't have that time, you know.
01:01:22.660
But if you look at, if you just Google stress and cancer, it will, you'll have plenty to read.
01:01:29.600
But I've never met a patient where the doctor told the patient they need to change their eating and they need to address their stress.
01:01:38.580
Because I always ask the patient, so what was your experience with the doctor?
01:01:42.820
What did they tell you, what did they tell you your options are, and which is, I always explain to patients all of their options of what they should do.
01:01:52.240
But I said it, you have to make the choice with educated decision.
01:01:59.880
So, for someone listening to this, they're like, okay, I want that.
01:02:03.520
I want a doctor who will listen to me, who will talk to me, but they don't even know where to start.
01:02:07.960
They don't live, you know, where you do in California.
01:02:13.300
Do you have a recommendation for how they can move into the right direction and find someone who will test for all these things?
01:02:19.860
Well, first of all, I think everybody should start reading, you know, get different books, okay?
01:02:26.340
I've written my books, but there's lots of good books out there, Allie.
01:02:30.960
First of all, so they know even what maybe to look for, right?
01:02:35.460
And then try to find a functional integrative medical doctor.
01:02:39.780
And I say medical doctor because a medical doctor knows, okay, does Allie have something serious or is it something that is not going to require, you know, a tremendous amount of research and investigation, right?
01:02:56.740
Because our job is to make sure that you don't have anything serious and wrong, all right?
01:03:02.560
Whether it's hypertension, high sugar, autoimmune diseases, or anything.
01:03:07.660
So there are more and more doctors now are opening their eyes.
01:03:13.640
I know that since COVID, I've had so many doctors contact me and say, oh my gosh, now I see.
01:03:23.260
And, you know, they've been awakened and enlightened.
01:03:29.300
And so there's lots of education available out there.
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I do a cancer conversation and everything else every two weeks online.
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And because I want everyone to know what we know at our clinic, what we're doing, and then try to find a functional integrative doctor, you know, go and interview the doctor and see if it's someone that is compatible with you and can incorporate and collaborate with you to the best, you know, for what you need.
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And like you said, you have to be knowledgeable before you can do that because you have to know what to ask them.
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And I know you said there's lots of books, but you did write The Cancer Revolution, a groundbreaking program to reverse and prevent cancer and be perfectly healthy.
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And I would say that's also a good place for people to start, to follow you on Instagram, buy your books.
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I know that that's not what you're saying, that people have to do that, but I want people to do that.
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These are two of your books, and I'm guessing you can get them wherever books are sold, right?
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Also, I just typed in, just to see, I just typed in functional integrative medical doctor near me.
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And of course, I would have to look into them and see if they're what I'm looking for.
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They also, you can go to ifm.org, that's instituteforfunctionalmedicine.org.
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And not every doctor that's listed may be the right fit for what you're looking for, but that's at least a good place to start.
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And I really go back to the beginning of your story.
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I think something that, to me, sets you apart from a lot of doctors I know is you talked about when your patients would come in and they'd bring you studies and you would say, wow, I want to learn more about that.
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I think every patient out there has had the experience with the doctor where as soon as we bring up research, they roll their eyes.
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But I wish all doctors were like you and said, okay, the research is out there.
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I always tell patients that U.S. is 5% of the population, world population, 5%.
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That means what are all the other doctors around the world using to help people?
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So we're just seeing our little perspective in the United States and the doctor in the United States is only seeing there.
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What about all the doctors in Europe and China and, you know, Germany, all the countries?
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I know because I work with doctors all over the world.
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I had recently, the last three weeks, I had a new doctor from Brazil reach out and said, oh, can I come and work with you for a couple weeks?
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So I was talking to him about the medical care in Brazil compared to USA.
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And so they have functional medicine, for example, in Brazil.
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But you want, going back to your questions, how would you find, you want a doctor who really knows how to do all of it, not someone who just specializes in autoimmune or thyroid.
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Because, you know, you don't go to a car dealership and say, you know, I just want the wheels.
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So you want someone who can look at you holistic.
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And I'm not saying those doctors aren't good, but we also need to look at every single thing that's going on with you.
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So, you know, doctors have to go back to school and they say they don't have time and energy.
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And if you're a young doctor, you have school loans to pay back.
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You're just going to, you know, be, you know, trying to get through the day, much less learn.
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But what I find, one of my friends, he's an acquaintance because he now is into functional integrative medicine and he just wrote a book.
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And there's a lot of, I believe, cognitive dissonance.
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Like you said, the doctors don't like what you may be giving me something vital that I need to know.
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I could spend a minute and a minute, you can get quite a bit of information.
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And so my patients bring in, oh, yesterday I had a patient who came in.
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He was the chief marketing officer for a nutraceutical company.
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He brought in 20 pages of every cancer mechanism and what natural thing worked on it.
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So you can't, and those are scientific studies, you know, that have been done.
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For example, on curcumin or broccoli extract or vitamin C or epigenin that's made in celery.
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So there are, you know, there are, if a doctor went and just looked up a clinical study, he or she would find it.
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And sure enough, I'm like, oh, wow, look at this.
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You know, how lycopene from tomatoes fights cancer, right?
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And for you, getting out of the whole insurance scheme kind of also gave you a little bit more margin to be able to study.
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Because like you said, so many doctors feel like they're just getting by because they have to spend so much time on the insurance stuff, which is probably why they're also not studying.
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So it's like a whole system-wide structural issue that we have.
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We're in a big conundrum and a lot of doctors see this, feel it, and know it.
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Which is why, as you said, the best thing that we can do right now is to become scientists ourselves and to become advocates and researchers and interviewers and preventers when it comes to our health.
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And so thank you for the part that you've played in helping us do that and for advocating on our behalf.
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I do encourage everyone to follow her on Instagram.