Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1028 ｜ Who Will Replace Joe Biden？

00:00:00.900 We are finally covering Thursday night's presidential debate. My oh my, we've got a

00:00:06.340 lot to talk about. Also, win after win at the Supreme Court. Here today to analyze and react

00:00:11.820 to all of this is, of course, my dad, Ron Simmons. We've got so much to get into today

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00:00:30.000 Okay, before we get into it with my dad, just a couple housekeeping things. We will not have

00:00:42.060 an episode on July 4th. July 4th is this Thursday. Woohoo. I hope that you have an awesome day

00:00:47.780 with your families. That is why this episode is so long today. We had so much ground to cover.

00:00:53.840 I've only got three episodes this week. We had to get into as much politics as we could today so we

00:00:58.960 could cover some other things tomorrow and Wednesday. And then next week, next week,

00:01:03.340 I am going to be out. We're taking a little bit of a break. We will have two replay episodes next

00:01:08.720 week, Monday and Tuesday. We'll have a new episode on Wednesday and Thursday next week,

00:01:14.260 but we're just taking a little bit of a break. So just FYI on that. Okay, before we get into the

00:01:19.580 serious stuff, you guys have probably seen a lot of my analysis of the debate already. Can I just like,

00:01:24.340 for those of you who watched it, I just want to go through some of my favorite memes really fast

00:01:28.260 before we get into it. With my dad, it was a crazy night, y'all. It was crazy. But as Elon Musk said

00:01:35.320 on Axe, tonight was a clear victory for memes. And I know that we're making light of this. It's a sad

00:01:41.720 thing. It is a sad thing, as we will talk about in just a second. But we have to laugh so we don't cry,

00:01:47.640 right? I think we do. We can have sympathy for the man Joe Biden and still just say, oh my gosh,

00:01:52.780 I can't believe we're in this state. This tweet by Joe List Comedy, they have Biden's goal for the

00:01:58.840 written in the lower corner. And it says live. And what he means by that is live. We just want

00:02:04.840 him to live. I saw this, this post by Cody. I like both candidates, but I really think we need

00:02:12.320 somebody older. And then I saw another one that was like, I love both of them. Please don't ask me

00:02:18.460 to choose. This one cracked me up. I don't know this person, Seamus. CNN two hours ago, Biden is

00:02:24.620 a strong candidate. He merely has a Sutter. CNN right now after the debate. Is it time to take

00:02:29.980 the president to the VET to get him P-U-T-D-O-W-N? So sad. Kristen says, don't watch the debates if you're

00:02:40.340 one of those people who gets really sad when you see an elderly person eating soup alone at a

00:02:44.520 restaurant. And this, this might freak you out to hear me read this, but you'll understand why

00:02:51.460 Russell Brand said this in just a second when we get to Biden talking about this. We're 17 minutes

00:02:56.360 in, Russell Brand says, and Joe Biden is discussing the problem of people being raped by their brothers

00:03:00.220 and sisters, which is quite an extraordinary yet niche topic to discuss. So if that is any indication

00:03:06.480 of how the debate went, man, if you didn't watch it, you are in for something today. All right.

00:03:16.340 That's it. That's the preamble. Now here's my doubt.

00:03:23.540 All right, dad. Thanks so much for joining us again. We are talking about last Thursday's debate.

00:03:29.160 I got to talk about it on Instagram. Haven't talked about it on the show yet. So we're going to hit the

00:03:33.960 highlights and we're going to go through some of the insight that you have that others have had.

00:03:39.700 And we're going to talk about the Supreme court cases too. First, I just want to get your initial

00:03:44.200 reaction. Most people watching this, watch the debate. Maybe they saw what I said about it on

00:03:49.020 social media, but what was your take when you were watching this? My main take honestly was sadness.

00:03:55.880 It was a sad night for America because of what our current president was unable to do. And that is to

00:04:06.480 basically, other than his personal jabs at the former president, he was unable to articulate anything,

00:04:14.740 anything. And it made me feel sad for what this country has elected and the leadership that we're

00:04:24.120 under right now. It is, it is a disaster. Yeah. You know, I was surprised when I first heard

00:04:32.660 Biden start talking, I was surprised at how tired he sounded out the gate. When I think back to,

00:04:40.680 for example, the state of the union, he started out pretty strong, as strong as he could anyway. And

00:04:47.360 then he started kind of getting, getting tongue tied towards the end of his speech. And that's kind of

00:04:53.100 what I thought would happen here. And I thought that would serve him well, because a lot of people

00:04:57.120 maybe were only going to tune in for the first 20 or so minutes, but right out the gate, he sounded

00:05:02.960 really tired. He sounded really hoarse. He sounded really confused. And I don't know how you watch that

00:05:09.800 without feeling somewhat sad, but I'll tell you, Trump looked and sounded about 15 to 20 years

00:05:16.060 younger than him, even though I think he's only two years younger than him.

00:05:20.640 Well, interestingly, a couple of things I thought were kind of interesting right off the bat. And that

00:05:26.380 is, first of all, they did many, many more close up shots of Trump when he wasn't speaking than they

00:05:34.760 did Biden. Even though when they did the split screen of Biden, he looked pretty bad. The other thing that I

00:05:42.260 noticed, and I wonder if you noticed this, is that Dana Bash wore all white, which if you remember

00:05:48.280 the Democrat progressive ladies in the House wore all white as kind of a protest thing to some state

00:05:55.220 of the union and other things. So I wonder if she was making her protest, you know, because she's

00:06:00.940 obviously very anti-Trump and all that. But I thought that was really interesting. You can go back and look

00:06:06.100 and see where AOC and some first squad people wore all white. So I wonder if that was kind of a shout

00:06:11.920 out to that. But, you know, within the first sentence that he said, when Tapper asked him,

00:06:16.920 Tapper really asked him a tough question right off the bat related to the economy. And, you know,

00:06:22.960 he said crazy things like we created 15,000 jobs. Well, I know he didn't mean that, but come on,

00:06:29.420 right out of the bat, you're going to make that type of mistake. And it just went downhill from there.

00:06:34.920 Yeah, it really did. You know, I actually thought, and this was something we talked about last Monday

00:06:39.820 when we covered the fact that the debate was going to happen, that Tapper and Bash were going to be

00:06:46.220 very obviously biased because like you said, they are very blatantly anti-Trump. That's not something

00:06:51.640 that we're just deducing based on the fact that they work at CNN. They have been very blatant about

00:06:57.140 their anti-Trump bias. And I thought they did a good job. I thought the questions were pretty

00:07:03.240 straightforward. I thought that they were tough on both candidates, even President Biden. And there

00:07:09.800 wasn't a lot of back and forth. Some people didn't like that. They wanted them to fact check them in

00:07:13.880 real time. That would have been like a five hour ordeal. I thought that Tapper and Bash did a good

00:07:21.320 unbiased job, even better than some Fox News debates that I've seen. I liked it.

00:07:27.940 Now, I thought it was I thought they were pretty good. Now, I do think that they they when Biden

00:07:35.120 would get really, really off track, they would kind of go in and say, well, thank you, President

00:07:41.980 Biden. You've got 38 more seconds, basically saying, hey, you screw that one up. I'm giving

00:07:46.080 you 30 seconds to fix it. Right. Because he never picked up on it. He never understood what they were

00:07:51.700 doing, unfortunately. And I will commend both of them for just sticking to the questions, too. That

00:07:56.940 was and I thought the questions were very good. They the only thing is they didn't ask Biden about

00:08:04.300 Hunter. OK, or any of his controversies, but they certainly honed in on Trump. Right. Yeah, that's

00:08:13.480 true. That's true. So just a little more about this and we'll get into the specific clips that

00:08:18.320 most people were talking about that night. So this was the first time that either man had debated since

00:08:23.760 2020. They clashed over things like abortion, immigration, foreign policy, inflation and more

00:08:30.280 most notable to both parties was Biden's age problem. Both parties, meaning the right and the left

00:08:40.940 Republicans and Democrats. After the fact, everyone was talking about Biden's age because it was so

00:08:46.480 obvious. And on the issues, Biden just really wasn't able to defend himself very well. He misspoke

00:08:54.060 several times, as you said, mixing up not just fifteen thousand and fifteen million, but mixing up

00:08:59.740 million, trillion, billion. He was very confused. And when he was trying to talk about his economic

00:09:07.800 accomplishments, the accomplishments that he's made with Medicare, here's what he was able to

00:09:13.220 muster. This is sought one from the CNN presidential debate. We're able to make every single solitary

00:09:19.420 person eligible for what I've been able to do with the with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with

00:09:28.800 everything we have to do with. Look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President

00:09:39.200 Trump. Well, he's right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death.

00:09:45.280 That was a good response by Trump.

00:09:48.120 Jeez.

00:09:49.080 I know. It's hard to watch.

00:09:50.620 What a disaster. What a word salad. We thought Kamala Harris had word salads.

00:09:55.820 That was just...

00:09:57.620 That's a chopped salad.

00:09:58.920 Yeah. He was talking about one thing and then moved to another. And of course, he did the same

00:10:03.840 thing later related to immigration.

00:10:06.220 Yes. Yes, he did. And that was when, I mean, I just had such a hard time. It reminded me of,

00:10:12.300 you know, grandma in her later years, of course, she was dealing with epilepsy and things like that

00:10:16.940 and on so many medications. And you could just tell those last few years and last few months of

00:10:23.060 her life. I'm not saying that President Biden is about to croak, but, you know, it reminded me of that

00:10:28.200 speech. And she didn't have dementia or Parkinson's or anything like that. Some people are saying

00:10:33.000 that's what Biden looks like. It was just old age and clearly losing your faculties. It's just

00:10:39.460 really hard to recall things quickly, to verbalize things quickly. I saw a comparison. I don't know

00:10:45.980 if we don't have the comparison. It was Russell Brand who posted this, a comparison of 2019 Biden

00:10:52.280 debating and 2024 Biden debating. It's remarkable the difference, how he was able to hold his own.

00:11:01.120 Now his entire look is so confused and so concerned all the time.

00:11:06.860 Yeah. And then, of course, it topped it off when the cameras kept rolling, showing Jill come and

00:11:12.480 taking him off the stage, which was like, again, it really was like you were helping,

00:11:17.660 you know, your grandfather or great-grandfather that was in the final stages. Again, we don't

00:11:24.960 hope that on anybody, but that's sure what it looked like. And it's certainly not a place

00:11:28.700 for someone that's the most powerful person in the world to occupy. And as I talked about on X

00:11:36.680 the night of debate, I think it's elder abuse to the ultimate. And Mrs. Biden ought to be ashamed of

00:11:44.660 herself. And we'll get into her role in all of this because apparently she is the person that is

00:11:49.940 pushing him to stay in the race. So we'll get to some of the other issues. Let's look at abortion.

00:11:57.140 Now, on abortion, both of them believe in the legality of abortion to a certain extent. That's

00:12:04.940 something that I really disagree with. Of course, Biden is more pro-abortion than Trump is. And here is

00:12:11.960 Trump's take on that. This is sought to from the CNN presidential debate. We have to say that,

00:12:16.280 by the way. I have to say CNN presidential debate every time I introduce the clip. That is a rule.

00:12:21.620 So I'm not trying to be a broken record, but here it is. I believe in the exceptions for

00:12:26.860 rape incest and the life of the mother. I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your

00:12:32.620 heart, but you have to get elected also. And because that has to do with other things,

00:12:37.300 you got to get elected. I mean, I think it's silly. Follow your heart, follow your heart. I

00:12:41.940 don't even know what that means. But Biden essentially said right after that, that, yeah,

00:12:47.700 he does believe in the legality of abortion through all nine months for certain reasons.

00:12:55.020 That is the platform of his party right now. Yeah. And he didn't even really when even when Trump

00:13:01.440 talked about, um, taking the, you know, after the baby's born, he didn't have a good response

00:13:07.120 for that either, that he said, that's not true, which we know it's true. And Trump just nailed him

00:13:11.200 because the former Virginia governor talked about that. And he just did not have a good response

00:13:16.320 on that. I think Trump probably handled it as best as he could based on his beliefs and kind of

00:13:22.400 what he's hearing from some of his advisors. You and I disagree with that, obviously, but

00:13:27.120 he probably handled that the best he could.

00:13:41.440 Here is Biden's response, his description of why abortion through all nine months is necessary.

00:13:51.800 Sot three from the CNN presidential debate.

00:13:54.300 Look, there's so many young women who have been including a young woman who just is murdered.

00:13:59.900 And he went to the funeral. And the idea that she was murdered by a by by an immigrant coming in

00:14:07.420 to talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot of more young women to be raped by their by

00:14:13.180 their in-laws, by their by their spouses, brothers and sisters by just it's just ridiculous. And they can

00:14:20.940 do nothing about it. And they try to arrest him on the cross state line. Thank you.

00:14:25.980 OK, I have no idea. This was simultaneously talking about illegal immigration and abortion

00:14:31.260 at the same time. Abortion for Democrats. It's sad, but it's their home run issue.

00:14:36.860 It is the issue in which they can fear monger. They can get a bunch of women

00:14:39.980 believing that restricting abortion is going to stop the access to miscarriage care. So that could

00:14:48.980 have been a home run. And somehow he brought it back to illegal immigration, which is the home run

00:14:53.200 issue for Republicans and Donald Trump. Yeah. And he basically said, you know, it's not that bad that

00:14:59.940 that that an illegal immigrant did it because brothers and sisters are doing it all. I mean,

00:15:04.600 it's just totally crazy. What are you saying? Right. And, you know, I will give Trump credit now,

00:15:12.280 probably if the microphones weren't shut off, he wouldn't have done this. But, you know, when your

00:15:17.060 opponent is digging their own grave, metaphorically speaking, just let them keep digging. Exactly.

00:15:23.400 You just and the fact that they muted the mic was such an advantage to Trump and they didn't think it

00:15:29.120 was going to be. Right. Yes. Yes. Remember, this whole debate was basically set up by

00:15:33.720 President Biden's team. They're the ones that wanted the early debate. There's the one that

00:15:37.620 negotiated there. Why? Why did they want the early debate? This is the earliest that a presidential

00:15:42.140 debate has ever been. It's before the convention. Why is it so early? Because that they felt like

00:15:48.720 that would put the nail in the coffin of Trump and that Biden would be able to, you know, just be

00:15:56.040 able to tout his policies and all that type of stuff, which is crazy because most of his policies

00:16:01.000 aren't popular with even the majority of people. Right. And so I just it just ended up being a bad

00:16:09.100 move or or now now cynically, it was because that hit the people around him and other Democrats know

00:16:16.640 that we need to expose him so we can change him out. Now, yeah, we're going to get into that.

00:16:22.580 It could also be maybe less cynically, but maybe somewhere in between that. They know that every

00:16:29.080 month he's getting worse and worse. The earlier it is, the better, the better he'll do. No, I last

00:16:35.600 Monday when we talked about this, I said that cutting the mics off is definitely going to benefit Trump

00:16:42.660 because that was and it's crazy that the Biden team didn't realize this. That was the nail in the

00:16:48.360 coffin for Trump last time when he was talking over Biden, bullying Biden. He was probably

00:16:53.660 absolutely correct in everything that he was saying, but it didn't come across very well. It

00:16:58.120 actually made Biden look like this sympathetic, mature figure. And so I knew that was going to

00:17:02.580 benefit Trump. But even with that, Trump was self-controlled. He was sympathetic. I'm not saying

00:17:09.000 Trump is a related bro, but we are on the same page because last week I said he needs to look at

00:17:17.620 Biden sympathetically, just kind of nod his head. It needs to look like he kind of feels bad for Biden

00:17:24.160 in the state that he's in. But don't say don't say anything. You don't need to highlight it. You

00:17:29.480 don't need to bully. And for the most part, he did that. What do you think about his his restraint?

00:17:35.320 No, I thought it was good. And I thought even his response when he made that comment of I'm not

00:17:41.180 sure what he said in the last part of that. And I'm not even sure he knows. I don't. I know he was

00:17:46.840 being a little bit sarcastic, but the tone was almost sympathetic. Yes. And I thought he did a good

00:17:53.160 job. Now, do I wish his nonverbal was better? I mean, he frowns all the time. I mean, I don't like

00:17:59.520 any of that, but it was pretty restraining. He didn't even he didn't even mouth, you know,

00:18:05.540 responses as Biden would mouth responses when he was saying something. And I thought Biden's personal

00:18:12.240 attacks were so, so petty. Just it was awful. Yeah. Well, this is the first Trump zinger. And I know

00:18:21.840 you and I went back and forth on this on X at the time. They're talking about immigration,

00:18:26.520 which, of course, is going to be Trump's best issue. Biden erroneously said that the Border Patrol

00:18:33.160 endorsed him and his policy positions. Border Patrol, the union was very quickly to post on X.

00:18:39.160 We have never endorsed Biden. We will never endorse Biden. And so he's trying to justify and explain his

00:18:47.260 position. And then Trump comes in with his retort. Here is thought for from the CNN presidential debate.

00:18:52.840 We'll move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with

00:19:00.000 more Border Patrol and more asylum officers. President Trump? I really don't know what he

00:19:05.900 said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look.

00:19:10.720 Oh, man. I actually I wasn't mad at Trump for saying that. I kind of thought, OK, that was almost I think

00:19:19.040 he was literally saying, I don't know how to respond to that because I don't even know what

00:19:23.220 he said. But but but everybody else already understood that. Yeah. It doesn't help you on

00:19:30.860 that. Now, I don't I still don't know what his last word that Biden said in that sentence. Was he

00:19:35.660 trying to say asylum or what was I just couldn't understand it? I don't know. And I think that Trump

00:19:42.340 is right. Maybe you're right. He shouldn't have said that. He didn't need to say it.

00:19:45.780 But it that I think that sentence almost summarizes the entire debate. I don't know what he said. I

00:19:53.000 don't think that he knows what he said either on foreign policy. Would you go ahead? No. I just

00:19:59.960 would you like to have been a fly on the wall in the MSNBC rooms back there when they're getting

00:20:06.120 ready to go on for sure, like with Rachel Maddow and all that? I'm going to put up some pictures.

00:20:11.780 I don't think that we have them. We'll put them up in in the editing process. But I saw that the

00:20:17.420 Associated Press, that a photographer was let's see, I don't remember which part of the country

00:20:22.560 they were in, but they their photographers took pictures of Americans in different parts of the

00:20:27.100 country just watching it at bars and, you know, different conference rooms, things like that.

00:20:31.660 And literally every picture is just, you know, your average American going like this,

00:20:38.040 like this. And we don't know what part they're reacting to. But I think that was just it was just

00:20:43.660 facepalm. That was the general reaction. I imagine that was the same thing going on at CNN and MSNBC.

00:20:49.620 So Biden made a lot of false claims about the economy, about his response to COVID. We know that

00:20:55.060 more than half of the COVID deaths have actually happened under Biden's presidency. And yet you'll

00:21:00.940 notice that on CNN and MSNBC, they don't have that little ticker of people dying like they did when

00:21:06.680 Trump was president. So cynical. But then on foreign policy, he claimed really close to the beginning of

00:21:12.520 the debate that he is the only president of the 20th century who has had no American troops dead

00:21:17.660 since he's been president. Has he already forgotten about what happened in the Afghanistan withdrawal

00:21:24.200 when 13 U.S. service members were killed because of that whole disastrous debacle?

00:21:29.860 Well, on this one, I don't think he has forgotten. I think that what the Biden has done throughout his

00:21:35.460 life and a lot of Democrats do is they just lie and they double down on that. And they think if they

00:21:42.980 continue lying, Hillary Clinton was probably the best at this. They continue to lie that eventually

00:21:47.580 it becomes believable by a good portion of the American public. And I think that's exactly what

00:21:53.940 happened. He knows good and well those 13 people passed away and he knows that was on his watch.

00:21:59.780 And it was, as Trump, I thought, landed very good on that, is that that was a total disaster for our

00:22:07.740 country. Yeah, yeah. And three U.S. service members were killed in Jordan just five months ago. And,

00:22:14.780 you know, that is something that Joe Biden has done really his entire career. So, you're right. I don't

00:22:19.860 think that we can say that it's because of his senility, but he said weird stories and weird things

00:22:26.560 like, oh, he graduated at the top of his class when in reality, I'm pretty sure he graduated the

00:22:30.900 bottom three of his class. Like, he has repeatedly either hyperbolized or completely just like fabricated

00:22:38.520 his credentials and things that have happened for a long time. They went through January 6th and this

00:22:46.440 again was going to be a home run for Democrats. But if you look at the polling on this kind of threat

00:22:54.700 to democracy subject, 44% said apparently that Trump would do a better job at protecting democracy

00:23:04.380 compared to just 33% who believe that Biden would do a better job at, quote unquote, protecting

00:23:12.120 democracy. That is not good for Democrats because that is like the thing that they are running on.

00:23:18.720 Yeah, I think the January 6th thing has sailed. I know we're going to talk about this later,

00:23:23.720 especially with the Supreme Court decision today. I think that ship has sailed and that people have

00:23:30.840 made up their mind on that, whatever that is. I do think that Trump could have said

00:23:37.080 relating some of the January 6th activities and the government's response to those protesters,

00:23:46.280 to the protesters that we saw out in Portland and Seattle and stuff. He talked about it just a little

00:23:52.180 bit, but not quite as sharp as I thought he should have. Yeah, I know. And like, I have been not in that

00:23:59.940 position, but in discussions, debates, disagreements, or even interviews where afterwards they'll say,

00:24:05.380 why didn't I say that? It was so obvious. But you're thinking about a million different things.

00:24:09.160 But you're right. That's a really good point that no one really highlighted. And I don't think they

00:24:14.580 were even asked about that. And by the way, that poll was from the Washington Post. Okay, so that's not

00:24:21.340 some, you know, Fox News poll or conservative poll. According to Washington Post poll, 44% compared to

00:24:28.740 33% think that Trump would protect democracy better. And I think that's because with his

00:24:36.160 faults and his flaws, even from a left-wing perspective, people want someone who is competent.

00:24:41.760 Can you complete a sentence? Are you thinking clearly? I think a lot of people feel very

00:24:46.840 destabilized, vulnerable, and scared right now, just looking at Joe Biden and wondering,

00:24:52.960 wait a second, who is running the show and making the decisions if it's not him? Don't you think?

00:24:59.300 Well, it reminds us a lot of Woodrow Wilson. And you remember in his second term,

00:25:05.640 he had a debilitating stroke, and basically his wife ran the show. Now, I don't think that's

00:25:12.640 exactly happening here, because I think the unelected bureaucrats around him are at least

00:25:18.500 shaping it. Now, she may have some final input on it, but it's the Manchurian candidate to the extreme.

00:25:28.680 Right, right. I know. And that's scary. And again, we're going to talk a little bit more about

00:25:33.280 Jill Biden, her role in all of this in a second.

00:25:48.500 I thought that they would touch more on Trump being a convicted felon, because I've heard a

00:25:54.200 lot of this from Democrat strategists that we need to say that over and over again, that he's a

00:25:57.840 convicted felon. Biden did bring this up once. And then Trump said when he talks about a convicted

00:26:05.080 felon, his son is a convicted felon. Should have been before, but his Justice Department let the

00:26:10.780 statute of limitations lapse. You know, I'm not sure if the Hunter Biden direction

00:26:17.160 is really landing with a lot of voters. What do you think?

00:26:22.340 I don't think either one of those are landing, honestly. I think that people believe that even

00:26:28.620 though Trump is convicted, I think even Democrats would, if they would be honest, would know that

00:26:35.620 that was politically motivated. Doesn't mean some of this stuff wasn't true, but it was definitely

00:26:40.620 politically motivated, which is exactly what our founders did not want to happen. Because that's

00:26:45.820 what happens over in places like England back in the day and other places is that they use their

00:26:52.760 power to silence their political opponents. I mean, you don't have to look further than

00:26:57.220 Vladimir Putin, right? How many people has he poisoned already that were his opponents? And I'm sure it

00:27:02.660 happens in other countries as well. The Hunter Biden thing, I think the bigger picture that it shows,

00:27:10.140 not him directly, but the bigger picture of the Biden family and how they operate, I think resonates

00:27:19.220 with some people. But honestly, I agree with you that most people are just kind of tired of all that

00:27:24.300 stuff. And let's really focus on the why my grocery prices are higher and why it might cost more to fill

00:27:29.760 up my car and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and honestly, the Biden administration,

00:27:35.900 his campaign kind of plays that well. Sympathetic love between father and son. Now, I agree that's

00:27:42.440 a cover for something I think really corrupt that's going on there. But for most people that resonates.

00:27:48.780 Oh, yeah, I have a wayward son. I have a prodigal son and I would do anything for them, too.

00:27:53.800 That's the play. And that kind of works. OK, Charlottesville. Biden brought this up,

00:27:59.100 the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville way back in 2017. Biden claims, I think this is totally

00:28:04.660 false. And Trump called them on him on this. Yes. Well, Biden said, oh, I decided I was going to run

00:28:12.100 after the Unite the Right rally. And when you said there were very fine people on both sides and Trump

00:28:20.860 was like, that is not when you decided to run. Like, let's just be real here. And Snopes, who is not

00:28:26.220 known for being conservative at all, very recently, I don't even know why, but very recently released

00:28:31.560 their fact check on this. And it says, no, Trump did not call neo-Nazis and white supremacists

00:28:37.080 very fine people there. That quote has been taken out of context. That is not what he said. That is

00:28:43.360 not what was meant. But Biden thought that that was going to be I don't know, that was going to be

00:28:48.980 helpful for him. Yeah, he thought he was going to nail he thought he was going to nail that. And again,

00:28:53.580 the way he delivered it didn't come across as well either. But, you know, that quote, just so people

00:28:59.500 know that quote was the original protest and disagreement was related to the removal of

00:29:06.440 Confederate general statutes. And Trump was saying that people that want them removed and people

00:29:13.580 that don't want them removed, both of those, there are good people on both of those sides. He wasn't

00:29:18.420 talking about the neo-Nazis that bust themselves in or, or however they got there. With the swastikas and

00:29:24.300 stuff. And that's, and that is true. Not everybody that wanted the, the statues to stay were bad

00:29:31.620 people. Right, exactly. And they were not the ones, you know, yelling blood and soil with the swastikas

00:29:38.340 and the tiki torches. So that's what he was talking about, because there is a legitimate argument,

00:29:43.200 of course, for keeping these historical artifacts up and not tearing them down. All right, I have to say

00:29:50.180 my favorite part of the debate, my favorite part of the debate was, I mean, kind of tongue in cheek,

00:29:58.120 was when they got into it about their golf game. I don't even know how this got brought up. I'll get

00:30:03.960 your reaction after we play Sot 5 from the CNN presidential debate.

00:30:07.640 Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. I got my handicap, which when I was vice

00:30:13.100 president, down to a six. And by the way, I told you before, I'm happy to play golf if you carry

00:30:20.380 your own bag. Think you can do it? That's the biggest lie. He's a six handicap of all. I was

00:30:27.280 an eight handicap. Yeah. Eight? Never. But I have, you know how many? I've seen your swing. I know your

00:30:33.400 swing. Let's not act like children. Let's not act like children. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh my

00:30:40.820 goodness. And Biden says right after that, you are a child. Oh my gosh. That was, I, I, it gets me,

00:30:46.720 it cracks me up every time Trump leaning over like that. Like, I can't believe he just said he was a

00:30:52.100 six handicap. What do you think, dad? Do you think Biden is a six or eight handicap? No, no way. And

00:30:57.720 first of all, how did he go from a six to an eight and then 10 seconds? That's what I don't know. Did his

00:31:02.080 golf came to tier eight that quickly? Uh, who knows? Well, who knows what he may have been at some time,

00:31:07.640 but also tells you they didn't, if he got to a six when he was vice president, what does that tell

00:31:11.620 you? He wasn't doing anything for the American people. How stupid would you be to say something

00:31:16.560 like that? When I was vice president, number two, you know, behind the most powerful person in the

00:31:21.200 world, I really worked on my golf game is what I did. Yeah. And then the fact when Trump said,

00:31:26.100 I did think that Trump, that was a pretty smart movement as far as saying, Hey, let's don't act like

00:31:29.660 children. And then Biden turns around just like a child and says, I'm not a child. You're a child. You know,

00:31:34.660 yeah. Now Trump did start off by saying, so this is the context of that. Trump was asked about his

00:31:44.620 age and mental fitness, and he was giving an example of that. Now, some people might think

00:31:48.920 that this is a silly answer, but I think it's legit. He said it's not even senior or, oh, he said

00:31:55.120 that he just won two golf club championships. And he said, it's not even senior to regular club

00:32:01.080 championships. To do that, you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball

00:32:06.340 a long way. And I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a

00:32:11.420 golf match. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. That's how it started. And then that's what, and then

00:32:17.980 find it. So maybe it was American public needs, right? Yeah. Yeah. And we needed to say, actually,

00:32:23.820 Trump, you started it, but I found that very funny. Helpful. No, but comedic relief. Yes.

00:32:30.840 All right. So CNN actually fact-checked both of them after, said Biden did lie on, you know,

00:32:40.280 about several things about the troops that died in Afghanistan. He said that he put a $15 per shot

00:32:47.300 cap on insulin in Medicare. It's really a $35 cap, but it was actually Trump who made insulin a lot

00:32:53.420 more affordable. He lied about other things about Medicare. It is not true, CNN says.

00:33:00.840 That when Biden says the border now has fewer crossings than when Trump was in office. Of

00:33:06.240 course, that's not true. We're at record highs. Unemployment was at 15%. Biden said when he took

00:33:12.280 office, in reality, it was at 6.4%. He said that Trump wants to get rid of Social Security. Trump

00:33:18.660 doesn't want to do that. He says that billionaires now pay 8.2% in taxes. CNN said it is much higher

00:33:25.460 than that. He said that Trump told Americans to inject some bleach during the COVID crisis.

00:33:32.000 CNN even says that is not what Trump said. And then, as we've already said, they fact-checked

00:33:38.140 Biden's assertion that Border Patrol had endorsed him when, of course, that is not true. So even CNN

00:33:46.480 is coming out and saying, yeah, okay, both candidates, they say lied on some things, but,

00:33:52.800 you know, Biden did too. And yet, I'm seeing people like Mark Cuban and other Democrats saying,

00:33:58.640 well, you know, Biden may have seemed old, but at least he told the truth. No, he didn't.

00:34:04.060 No, no. I mean, he didn't even come close to telling the truth on the majority of everything

00:34:09.720 that he said. But again, it goes back to he knows he can do that and be supported and probably a

00:34:17.640 surprise that CNN even fact-checked him. And so that probably took them as a surprise. But I haven't,

00:34:24.880 I've heard nobody else talk about that, right? Yeah. That's just another, you know,

00:34:29.720 it's just another thing that we have to fight against as conservatives.

00:34:32.700 Okay, let's get into some of the reaction about it before we get into the Supreme Court cases,

00:34:49.520 because the reaction was pretty incredible, at least to me. So this is from Frank Lutz. He's

00:34:55.160 part of focus groups. And so he gets focus group data concerning campaigns, elections. He says,

00:35:01.820 after the first commercial break, I asked my focus group of undecided voters, how many of them are

00:35:06.300 more convinced to vote for Joe Biden? Zero raised their hands. Half of them say they voted for Biden

00:35:13.400 in 2020. After the second commercial break, I asked my focus group of undecided voters,

00:35:18.700 how many are more convinced to vote for Donald Trump? 10 of 14 raised their hands, even if they

00:35:23.480 didn't like Donald Trump. One said, I don't even know if Biden can make it to November. These are people

00:35:29.680 who like Biden, many of them. And Chuck Todd on NBC said, Biden looks like the caricature that

00:35:38.300 conservative media has been painting. You saw it before your eyes. And then we've got this reaction

00:35:44.980 from a CNN panel. This is Sot6.

00:35:48.960 Minutes into the debate, and it continues right now. It involves party strategists. It involves elected

00:35:54.600 officials. It involves fundraisers. And they're having conversations about the president's

00:35:58.980 performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party

00:36:03.240 in the ticket. And they're having conversations about what they should do about it. Some of those

00:36:07.260 conversations include, should we go to the White House and ask the president to step aside?

00:36:11.160 Others are other of the conversations are about should prominent Democrats go public?

00:36:15.420 Okay, I'm going to play one more clip before I get your reaction to that. Here's Sot7.

00:36:21.600 That was painful. I love Joe Biden. I work for Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all.

00:36:29.320 He did not do well at all. He loves his country. He's doing the best that he can. But he had a test

00:36:36.100 to meet tonight to restore confidence of the country and of the base. And he failed to do that.

00:36:42.160 And I think there's a lot of people who are going to want to see him consider taking a different

00:36:49.340 course. Now, there is time for this party to figure out a different way forward if he will allow us to

00:36:53.580 do that. Wow. Were you surprised? I don't know if you're watching CNN. I was watching CNN after the

00:36:59.040 debate. But were you surprised to hear things like this this quickly?

00:37:04.960 Yes, I was surprised. I thought they would try to do more cover than they really did. But at least

00:37:11.240 they saw the same thing that we saw. And they were, you know, they were rightfully mortified of it.

00:37:19.640 And here's what I think is happening, Allie. First of all, I think, from what I understand,

00:37:24.360 President Obama met with Biden on Friday. So I do think there is a move to figure out how to replace

00:37:35.240 him on the ticket. Yeah. Now, whether or not that'll be successful, I don't know. But it could

00:37:40.700 be kind of like the LBJ thing where, you know, hey, you know, it's for my health reasons and yada,

00:37:48.060 yada, yada, and do that type of thing and remove. Joe Biden will be the main force standing in the way

00:37:52.860 of that. But I do think that is out there and it could happen. Most states, the challenge that they

00:38:00.760 have is there are some states like Georgia, for example, that says you can't remove somebody from

00:38:06.940 the ticket after July the 9th. And most states are late in August. Even if the convention hasn't

00:38:11.920 happened yet, because the DNC convention is in August. Okay. Doesn't matter. Yeah. The states,

00:38:16.900 the states set that their own. Remember, these are 50 state elections, not a national election.

00:38:24.040 Now, there will be lawsuits related to that. And I imagine the courts would be sympathetic

00:38:28.960 to allowing that to be changed. Most states, though, were August, late August, early September.

00:38:35.540 So there's certainly a way at the convention that they could do it. He would have to release his

00:38:39.480 delegates. Now, the other interesting thing about this, Ali, is that people think Kamala Harris would

00:38:45.040 automatically be elevated to the top spot, but it doesn't work like that. Everybody's equal if he

00:38:51.160 backs out. Now, the only advantage she has is because they're running on the same ticket,

00:38:56.960 she has access to all of his campaign funds. She has that? She does, yes, because it's the Biden-Harris

00:39:05.000 ticket. So that gives her a huge fundraising advantage and not so much to get her appointed,

00:39:12.740 but people look at that and say, well, she's got the most money to spend. Gavin Newsom or the lady in

00:39:18.940 Michigan would have to raise all their money, right? Right. And yeah, we can go ahead and talk

00:39:24.920 about some of that. I can talk a little bit more about what the reactions were on MSNBC and some more

00:39:30.960 on CNN in a second. But, you know, there are a lot of guesses because they saw these responses of

00:39:37.240 ardent Joe Biden and Democrat defenders saying, uh, I don't think that he can beat Trump. And I think

00:39:43.200 really what they want more than anything is to prevent a Trump presidency. Of course, we know that.

00:39:48.600 They are absolutely panicked by that idea. So if it means throwing grandpa under the bus,

00:39:54.060 like I think a lot of people are ready to do it. So there are a lot of conversations in

00:39:57.920 conservative circles of who that would be. Would it be some people, they guess Michelle Obama,

00:40:03.100 they guess Gavin Newsom, they guess Whitmer. I've even seen, I think, Andy Beshear.

00:40:09.220 There are a lot of options out there. I personally, I think Kamala would lose to Trump. I think Gavin

00:40:17.100 Newsom would lose to Trump. He looks and sounds like a villain. His track record in California

00:40:21.480 is absolutely abysmal. Gretchen Whitmer could do better. She is a pretty and younger contrast to

00:40:28.280 Trump. People might think that's superficial, but as we saw on Thursday night, contrasts matter,

00:40:33.040 appearances matter. But she's unpopular in her state. And then I think Andy Beshear is actually

00:40:39.300 a pretty popular Democrat governor, believe it or not. So yeah, I don't, I don't think Michelle Obama

00:40:46.280 is interested. So I don't know who it's going to be. I think the Democrats are better off if they

00:40:51.800 replace him going with someone that few people have heard about yet. It could be that. Again,

00:41:00.600 I still, I still think that Biden, if you had to take a bet, I would still bet that Biden stays on

00:41:07.220 the ticket. Yeah. I also think that what's happening, this is my opinion. I don't have any

00:41:12.140 facts to back this up. So take it for what it's worth is knowing what the Biden family does and

00:41:18.320 how they use their name for power and money. And I think that is pretty evident is that I think

00:41:23.800 another thing that's going on behind the scenes is that they're saying, okay, if he does get out,

00:41:30.180 I need to be paid to get out. And there's a lot of ways they can do that. We know that that are,

00:41:35.080 that are perfectly at least inside the line of the law. Yeah.

00:41:39.480 Uh, and I think that's the way the Biden family, I think that's the way they work. So if he gets

00:41:44.120 out, you can look for that to happen. Um, but I think the Democrats, they don't know any more than

00:41:51.200 you and I do right now of who it would be. It's, it's a quandary. You can bet they're doing a lot

00:41:55.360 of polling, right? Do a lot of focus group testing and all that. And it'll have to be people

00:42:00.220 that appeal to the swing States. That's, that's what you can bet on. That's why, in my opinion,

00:42:06.380 it won't be Gavin Newsom. Right. I totally agree. There's so many conservatives saying that. I do

00:42:10.540 not think it's going to be him at all, but I also think you're right. I think that they're going to

00:42:14.780 stick with Biden. Uh, according to the New York times, Biden's family tells him to keep fighting

00:42:19.660 as they huddle at camp. David reports this morning that I'm seeing circulated on X say that Hunter

00:42:24.540 Biden and Jill Biden are the two that are most adamant about him staying in the race. And I think

00:42:30.620 you're right. I think it has to do with power. I think it has to do with the prestige and the

00:42:37.100 influence and the immunity and a lot of ways that it carries when you have someone powerful in charge.

00:42:44.380 And I really hadn't thought too much about the influence of Jill Biden until, uh, more recently,

00:42:52.700 but she really is taking center stage. I saw this morning that her new Vogue cover where she is

00:43:00.260 saying we, I'm going to, we're going to stay in the fight for the future. I mean, it seems to me

00:43:06.740 like she's kind of, she's kind of in charge and you know, she really kind of treats him like a,

00:43:12.420 like a child. Here's thought eight. Oh yeah.

00:43:16.820 Joe, you did such a great job. You answered every question. You knew all the best.

00:43:23.380 Dad, this is how I talk to my children. I say, you did such a great job. You listened

00:43:28.900 and you did it the first time. Good job. That's how I talk to my three and four year olds,

00:43:35.540 dad. I know. And, and, and, and he stood there less attentive than your three and four year olds.

00:43:42.580 I guarantee he was trying to think, what is her name? What is her? No, that's, that's,

00:43:46.020 I don't know. But, but you know what I'm saying? I mean, even in that clip, he looked like he

00:43:50.660 was in a fog. He just, oh, it's just, again, it's sad. It's elder abuse. I'm just telling you,

00:43:58.020 that lady, I don't know her personally, of course, but what she is doing is just not right for her

00:44:04.740 family, for her husband and for America. Yeah. I see reports over and over again that she's just

00:44:10.260 not ready to leave. We'll put up this picture because he did have a rally in North Carolina

00:44:14.820 the next day where I will say his performance at the North Carolina rally was better for sure than

00:44:22.260 his performance at the debate. But you see this picture that she's standing up at the podium and

00:44:28.240 he's behind her looking more confused than ever. His mouth is agape. His, he looks, he has so much

00:44:35.860 consternation. His eyebrows are knitted together. And so he looks very, very confused. Let me get into

00:44:43.580 some more reactions about this. So we already covered Jill Hunter, want him to stay in the

00:44:50.420 race for a variety of reasons. Then you've got Barack Obama. Barack Obama tweeted this a couple

00:44:56.860 days ago. He said, bad debate nights happen. Trust me, I know. He's referencing, I guess,

00:45:02.120 the infamous debate against Mitt Romney where he performed badly. Of course, he ended up winning

00:45:06.140 that election. But he says, but this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for

00:45:10.460 ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself between someone who tells the

00:45:17.300 truth. That's not true. Who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight and

00:45:23.380 someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night didn't change that. And it's

00:45:28.480 why so much is at stake in November. Joe Biden dot com. What happened to former president staying out of

00:45:35.680 politics like that? Yeah. You know, that ended with the Bush family. You know, they're the last

00:45:41.480 ones. Trump's done it, too, of course. But that's pretty unpresidential on Obama's part and disappointed

00:45:48.220 in him at that. He know. Hey, he may be saying that up front, but I guarantee you behind the scenes,

00:45:52.100 he's talking to a lot of big time donors and stuff that are like, uh-uh, something's got to give here.

00:45:57.600 Well, OK, so this is what Tucker Carlson said this morning. And of course, I can't personally validate

00:46:05.300 this, but from an unusually good source, Obama's tweet supporting Joe Biden was disingenuous. In

00:46:12.260 private, he says Obama is telling people Biden can't win and he is therefore in favor of an open

00:46:17.600 convention. Obama will not say whom he supports, nor as of yesterday afternoon, had he met personally

00:46:23.280 with Biden to deliver the message. Relations between the Obamas and the Bidens have never

00:46:28.480 been warm. That's interesting. At times, they've been hostile, but recently they've deteriorated

00:46:34.300 further, mostly due to Jill Biden. In the hours and days after the debate, she kept her husband

00:46:40.140 cloistered away from anyone who might convince him to drop out. Jill Biden is the driving force behind

00:46:45.800 her husband's reelection campaign, just as she was in 2020, when other members of the family,

00:46:51.560 including Biden's sister, Val, considered him too impaired to run. The next generation of potential

00:46:57.420 Democratic candidates understands all of this as an opportunity and they're circling, particularly

00:47:03.320 Gretchen Whitmer, who is promoting herself aggressively. What's your take on that?

00:47:10.940 I think most of that's probably true. Now, again, some of that speculation on his part,

00:47:16.360 uh, I think the part about, uh, Obama, I've heard that from more than one source that, uh, he is

00:47:24.080 privately, has even privately spoken with the president about some of these issues. Uh, the other

00:47:30.620 stuff I think is likely true, although it's speculation. We're not in those meetings with the

00:47:35.700 family and what have you. Uh, but I, you know, I just, I think the wagons are saying, you know,

00:47:42.220 politics is a blood sport. There's no question. So they're 100% believe that the next contenders

00:47:49.360 on the Democrat side are circling, just like they would be if this was a Republican. Okay. That's

00:47:53.800 so different on either side for that. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, Whitmer,

00:47:59.220 she was a COVID tyrant. She is aggressively pro-abortion. Unfortunately, those two things

00:48:05.660 are seen as positives, um, on the Democrat side. So it could be her. I, I, I'm not so sure though.

00:48:13.660 I'm not so sure though, because I don't know if she has that appeal to the swing states. Go ahead.

00:48:19.520 Yeah. And I just read today where she evidently has told Biden that Michigan is currently unwinnable.

00:48:26.000 Oh yeah. And, and I forgot where I read that and maybe I've read it incorrectly, but I'm almost

00:48:32.340 certain. That's, that's what I read. Yeah. So, okay. The only plausible way, as you said,

00:48:38.220 for them to move forward without Joe Biden is for Joe, Joe Biden, they can't force him out.

00:48:44.640 Joe Biden has to be the one to say, I'm stepping out. Right. That's correct. Unless they evoke the

00:48:49.900 25th amendment, which that would be congressional and they'll never do that. Right. The Senate would

00:48:54.240 never approve that. So he has to release his delegates by bowing out and then they would have an open

00:49:00.480 convention and they would pick a candidate through a multiple round voting process. And it would

00:49:08.360 probably take, uh, unless they rally, really rally behind somebody and probably take maybe as many

00:49:15.240 as a couple of days to get that done. Yeah. This is from a source that spoke to the New York times.

00:49:21.820 Apparently that's close to Joe Biden and his campaign, but Mr. Biden is a proud man. They said

00:49:26.680 they believe the odds of him trying to get to gut it out. We're still four or five to one. The only

00:49:33.340 way they said they can imagine him reversing course was if he could be afforded a dignified way out

00:49:38.480 and which he could claim credit for ousting Trump in 2020, restoring the country and serving as a

00:49:44.060 transition into the next generation. Biden was described by one person familiar with his mood

00:49:49.440 as humiliated, devoid of confidence and painfully aware that the physical images of him at the debate,

00:49:54.780 eye staring into the distance, mouth agape will live beyond his presidency along with the performance

00:50:00.140 that at times was meandering, incoherent and difficult to hear. Despite how much I disagree

00:50:04.700 with the guy and his wicked policies, I got to say that makes me sad. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it's only

00:50:12.100 going to get worse. See, that's the challenge he has. Those images will live beyond his deal,

00:50:17.720 beyond his presidency. But the more he is out there during the next six months while to campaign

00:50:23.640 or four months, it's going to, it's going to just get worse. And, and also Trump will never,

00:50:29.000 ever debate him again. Why would you ever do that? Yeah. And even if they pick somebody else,

00:50:36.000 I don't debate him either. No, Trump will never debate him again. And you think that's the right

00:50:41.540 call? Absolutely. In fact, if I'm Trump, I don't debate anybody they put up. Yeah, no, you're right.

00:50:48.040 Because at this point, he, he performed so well. I saw this clip of him going backstage to where all

00:50:54.760 of his, you know, supporters are. I saw Charlie Kirk, of course, his campaign back there. And

00:50:59.040 they're just all giving him a round of applause. And he's like, he's excited. But I also saw a post

00:51:04.700 that those close to Trump and his campaign are saying, don't get arrogant. We are not even close

00:51:12.620 to winning this campaign yet. And keep that self-controlled, restrained mood personality

00:51:22.400 that you showed us. Keep that. Keep that. It is not time for celebrations yet. And you know what?

00:51:29.760 I, let me give Trump credit because you and I have talked about the fact that he cannot take criticism

00:51:34.240 well. He doesn't apologize. He doesn't own his mistakes very well. Whether he does that publicly or

00:51:40.480 not, he listened to someone. After the last debate, he took that criticism to heart and he applied it

00:51:49.180 in a humble way. And I think that's commendable. Yep, absolutely. 100%. The other thing though,

00:51:55.480 I have to tell you that I think about, and I know some of your listeners are not going to like this,

00:52:00.080 but make sure that you contact Allie and not me, is that I was thinking that, man, how bad would

00:52:06.600 Ron DeSantis beat Joe Biden? I know. I know. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because he doesn't

00:52:12.200 have any of the baggage rightfully or wrongfully put on Trump, but he doesn't have it. And I'm

00:52:17.360 thinking, man, oh man. So yeah. And he would have dominated that debate because he did, he might not

00:52:23.300 have done that well in the Republican debates. But people forget, people forget this. And this is

00:52:29.300 another reason why Gavin Newsom will not be running. He will not be the candidate.

00:52:33.000 But we are, like, Ron DeSantis already wiped the floor with Gavin Newsom in a debate,

00:52:38.500 like a few months ago. Wiped the floor with him. And it wouldn't have even been fair to see Ron

00:52:45.440 DeSantis against Joe Biden. Not in a debate like that, because in that format, he would even be

00:52:51.300 better. Mm-hmm. Because he's combative. He's a facts guy, right? He's a facts person, right? That's

00:52:56.400 him. Yep. He would have, yeah. But I'm proud of Donald Trump too for what he did. So I don't want

00:53:02.000 anybody to be mad at me for that. I was just, that just came across my mind during that.

00:53:06.600 I'll be voting for Donald Trump this fall.

00:53:08.560 Yes, I know. We both will. I mean, it is, it is kind of worth noting, though, that Democrats know

00:53:14.440 that they could replace someone. They could replace Joe Biden with someone. And that person

00:53:21.220 would beat Donald Trump. Not anyone, but someone on the Democrat side could beat Donald Trump.

00:53:26.980 I think no matter who they replaced Biden with, that person could not have beaten Ron DeSantis.

00:53:35.100 I don't think Whitmer. I don't think Newsom. I don't think Bashir. I don't think anyone else

00:53:40.660 probably could have beat DeSantis. No, I agree.

00:53:41.620 And that's not to say, that's just all we're saying is that there is, like it or not, rational

00:53:48.500 or not, a virulent hatred of Donald Trump out there. Yeah, that's the number one thing

00:53:55.180 working against him in this election is there are people, as what's the guy on HBO, Bill

00:54:00.180 Meyer said that, it talked about how bad the performance of Biden was, but he said, I would

00:54:05.680 vote for Biden if his head was in a formaldehyde jar, right? I mean, he said that, so. Yeah.

00:54:24.800 Okay, let's get through some of these SCOTUS decisions. We won't be able to talk about them

00:54:28.760 exhaustively, obviously, because there's so much here. What do you want to hit on first?

00:54:33.140 There's the Trump immunity case. There's the Chevron deference. There's the January 6th

00:54:39.740 stuff. There's the homelessness stuff. What do you want to go to first?

00:54:44.460 Whatever you think. I mean, I think the Trump case is probably the one that people are most

00:54:47.540 interested in. Okay, let's do that.

00:54:50.600 So this is Trump v. United States. The U.S. Supreme Court just ruled six to three that presidents

00:54:55.820 have absolute immunity for official actions. The court ruled that presidents do not have immunity

00:55:01.560 for non-official conduct. Only Sotomayor and Jackson dissented, which is kind of, you know,

00:55:09.320 interesting. Oh, Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson dissented. So that's not actually interesting.

00:55:13.740 That's pretty expected. Okay, what's your take on this?

00:55:16.340 Well, I think what it does, it's, you know, it's what you and I would think should be the case is

00:55:23.780 that, and the founders would think would be the case, is that if, look, if he, no matter what he's

00:55:29.040 doing in office, when I was in office, I had the same immunity in Texas. I had sovereign immunity

00:55:35.240 for my actions, official actions as an office holder. I could not be sued for those or criminalized

00:55:43.920 for those, right? Now, unofficially, if I did something unofficially, like through my campaign

00:55:50.920 or through something else, then yes, I can be just like any, just like anybody else. And the reason

00:55:56.320 the founders did that is so that there wouldn't be political prosecutions. That's what, that's what

00:56:01.420 this was all about. And that the exec, the people that are in office have to be able to do their jobs

00:56:07.920 without fear of kind of the gotcha type thing. And so that's, that's why I think this was the right

00:56:14.180 decision. It doesn't mean that there aren't still some charges by Jack Smith, uh, who, who is

00:56:20.480 representing the DOJ that won't be heard. I think they will be heard, but it certainly narrowed the

00:56:28.580 argument quite a bit. And, uh, I think there'll be a reasonable argument that some of the things done

00:56:34.600 on January 6th by the president anyway, were certainly within the realm of what his job. In

00:56:41.580 fact, it said you have to give him presumptive immunity, not just direct immunity. You have to

00:56:47.360 assume first that the things he's doing are within his responsibility. Right? So just a little

00:56:53.720 background, special counsel, Jack Smith's indictment charged Trump with four felonies relating to his

00:56:58.680 efforts to reverse president Biden's 2020 victory. Trump's legal team argues that the actions he took

00:57:04.140 were all part of his official duties as president and that presidents cannot be prosecuted for such

00:57:10.380 acts. Justice Neil Gorsuch said during oral arguments that we're writing a rule for the ages. And that

00:57:17.160 rule is what you just, uh, what you just described. Uh, chief justice Roberts wrote the opinion,

00:57:24.420 Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have recognized. Sotomayor,

00:57:31.480 um, does not use respectfully with dissent here at the end of her dissent, which is interesting

00:57:37.900 because often they will use that just to say, I respectfully disagree. She didn't do that this

00:57:42.980 time. It concludes her dissent says with fear for our democracy, I dissent. Jackson also omitted

00:57:51.560 respectfully from her separate dissent, which is very passive aggressive. Uh, if you ask me,

00:57:57.980 but I'm guessing you believe that this is the right move, certainly it helps him. It punts the

00:58:02.720 whole thing until after the election. Plus, I will also say that if you tell me that Supreme Court

00:58:07.920 justices aren't politically motivated, those two examples where they remove the word respectfully,

00:58:13.840 that was sent a message, right? And it sent a political message, not a legal message,

00:58:18.460 had nothing to do with the legality of what they said. They can dissent on that, but you should always,

00:58:23.040 they should always be respectful in doing that. But by relieving that out, you know, that that's

00:58:27.940 what, but yeah, I don't think anything's going to happen with this. And now the Democrats, you know,

00:58:31.520 they're in full panic mode now. So they're going to be attacking, attacking, attacking, attacking.

00:58:37.680 I fully expect the judge in New York to probably sentence, uh, Trump to, to some type of, you know,

00:58:45.040 jail sentence, even though it'll be appealed and he, he won't have to go cause he's not a flight risk

00:58:49.420 or anything like that. Uh, but I, it's going to be double down, triple down on that concern. But this

00:58:54.260 is a, I think this is a win for America and, uh, it actually is a win for future presidents, whether

00:59:00.040 they're Democrat or Republican. Yeah. Of course, Christine Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's, uh, daughter,

00:59:05.980 she's a California Democrat, a part of the executive committee for the, uh, California Democrat

00:59:10.340 party. She said, wake up America. Trump's handpicked Supreme court majority, handpicked Supreme

00:59:14.620 court majority. Every, every Supreme court justice was handpicked by, uh, president handpicked Supreme

00:59:21.600 court majority handed him immunity for all official acts. She puts in scare quotes. And if he's back,

00:59:28.720 January 6th will be a prologue for years of retribution against his political foes. We must

00:59:34.620 vote to keep Trump far, far away from the white house, which is just ironic because many of these

00:59:41.080 charges against Trump, especially like the ones in New York are retribution against Joe Biden's

00:59:47.920 political foe. And of course, that's not even to mention what the DOJ has done with the pro-life

00:59:53.720 peaceful protesters, putting them in jail. I mean, talk about retribution against Democrats,

00:59:59.340 political foes that's happening right now. Absolutely. It's happening right now. And at some

01:00:04.620 point in time, I hope those charges are brought against the Biden administration, either currently or

01:00:10.580 in the future after they're already out, because those, we have to be able to stop that. And I

01:00:15.200 think the court needs to rule on that, on the weaponization of the DOJ. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

01:00:21.320 Let's talk about this Chevron deference. I saw a lot of people freaking out about this. I'll be honest.

01:00:26.160 I am not an expert in Chevron deference. It's a 40 year standing rule that has basically said

01:00:32.100 that these unelected bureaucrats and federal agencies get to make rules and get to interpret the law how they

01:00:39.640 want to. Well, this shifts the power from those unelected bureaucrats to the judicial system.

01:00:45.740 Can you talk about this? Why is it called the Chevron doctrine? What's the effect of it?

01:00:51.140 Yeah. Well, in 1984, Chevron sued the U.S. government, but really it was a natural resources

01:00:59.060 sub agency related to how they were regulating fossil fuels and other stuff that Chevron was doing at the

01:01:08.240 time. And the Supreme Court ruled in that case, which again was, you know, the Supreme Court was a little

01:01:16.200 bit more liberal back then, that you had to give, when Congress wasn't clear in the statute, you had to give

01:01:23.160 deference to the federal agencies of their interpretation. And that unless they were clearly outside the bounds

01:01:30.240 bounds of the statute, that basically the court should stay out of it. And that's what's happened

01:01:36.760 for the last 40 years now. And this case really upended all of that. In fact, it's so funny that

01:01:43.480 you say this. When this opinion came out, I happened to be down getting ready to play golf with some

01:01:48.540 friends here. And one of them is a retired federal judge. And another lawyer was talking to him and he

01:01:56.160 said, can you believe the Chevron case was overturned? And those guys, you know, it's like you and I may be

01:02:01.680 talking about something different, but those guys were so excited, not necessarily whether it was

01:02:06.020 overturned or not, but it was so interesting to them, right? It was just like, I can't believe that 40

01:02:10.720 years of precedence and all that. But what it does, it allows you and I, okay, and individuals or small

01:02:17.880 businesses to be able to have recourse other than just asking the agency that already ruled against

01:02:26.300 you, would you please reconsider and maybe rule in my favor? You can now go outside of the agency and

01:02:31.660 ask the court system, in a lot of cases, a trial by jury to say, hey, did they interpret this correctly

01:02:38.280 of what Congress intended? Right, right. So this is because it was a federal rule that was challenged,

01:02:46.200 as you explained, from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which required

01:02:51.680 fishermen to pay at least $700 per day for an at-sea monitor. The monitor was required by the NOAA

01:02:59.940 to ensure that the fishermen were abiding by NOAA fishing regulations. So it's like the HOA saying,

01:03:08.220 you must have this American flag in your, you know, in your yard. And it has to have this light,

01:03:14.720 it has to have this pole. And by the way, you have to pay for it, or you have to pay us to supply you

01:03:20.640 with this American flag. And if someone says, well, I don't need an American flag. I don't want an

01:03:25.540 American flag. They said, sorry, you know, we make the rules. And so the Chevron doctrine basically said,

01:03:31.840 yeah, these federal agencies get to make the rules. You have to pay them the $700 for this thing

01:03:36.740 that they're requiring you to have. And so this organization pushed back, the fishermen pushed back

01:03:42.020 against this and said, like, no, you know, we don't, we don't want to do this. And this is what

01:03:46.520 overturned the doctrine. Chief Justice Roberts said, Chevron was a judicial invention that required

01:03:52.180 judges to disregard their statutory duties. The only way to ensure that the law will not merely change

01:03:57.600 erratically, but will develop in a principled and intelligible fashion is for us to leave

01:04:01.620 Chevron behind. Of course, Justice Clarence Thomas agreed with that.

01:04:08.440 Um, all right. So like I said, I didn't really know that much about this, but I saw liberals

01:04:15.580 freaking out about it on X. Like it was like also the end of democracy.

01:04:21.540 Well, it's because most bureaucrats are liberals. Most of the people in the agencies in DC are liberals,

01:04:27.920 especially the people that make those decisions. And they don't want you and I to be able to question

01:04:32.800 their, you know, rules and decisions. This is a great victory for the average American.

01:04:38.440 Yeah. Uh, Lawrence Tribe, he is a legal scholar and professor at Harvard. He says,

01:04:42.900 Chevron is now overruled. The administrative state just died. The imperial judiciary joins

01:04:48.120 the imperial presidency, relegating Congress to a secondary role, except when it legislates

01:04:51.980 with unrealistic specificity and foresight. I mean, I see the administrative state just

01:04:57.680 died as kind of like a thing to celebrate.

01:05:00.500 It is. And it's probably an overstatement because I promise you it's not dead yet.

01:05:04.140 Yeah. There's no question about that. And you know what? I do think Congress, uh, doesn't

01:05:09.920 often give enough specificity in what they want to have in their, in their legislation. They need

01:05:16.040 to be more specific. Yeah. As someone who was mad about this said this, and I thought, wow,

01:05:21.400 this is a great just campaign tweet for Donald Trump. Uh, this person says the Supreme court has

01:05:26.820 overturned Roe v. Wade, 50 years of precedent, uh, precedent, uh, overturned Chevron, 40 years of

01:05:33.040 precedent, overturned affirmative action, 60 years of precedent, allowed cities to criminalize

01:05:38.100 homelessness. All of this because one man became president in 2016. I'm like, boom. Cool. Yeah,

01:05:44.180 that's right. Um, okay. Homeless camp, city of Grants Pass v. Johnson. Uh, people are saying

01:05:50.900 this makes homelessness illegal and everyone who is homeless is going to go to jail. What is this

01:05:54.820 about? Well, that's about, you know, some, and we've done some of this in Texas to states

01:05:59.680 and cities have ruled that these homeless encampments are either camping out on public

01:06:05.200 property, uh, is not legal and they pass ordinances or state laws to, to say that. And so, uh, this

01:06:13.360 particular city had a law. This is also funny. That's in Oregon as well, right? This particular

01:06:19.840 city had an ordinance that said, you can't camp on public property. And it came with a $295 fine

01:06:27.240 and a potential for maybe spending a few nights or maybe in weeks or months in jail. And then what

01:06:32.840 happened is the, uh, an organization related to the home homeless people sued and said that you're

01:06:40.620 making them a criminal by the fact that they're homeless. All right. And that was their argument.

01:06:46.900 However, if you read the, you read and what they're relying on is a case called Robinson,

01:06:52.020 which basically initially people tried to say that if you were addicted to illegal drugs,

01:06:59.320 that the addiction itself was a crime and the Supreme court ruled in Robinson in 1962, I think

01:07:05.820 that said that the addiction is not a crime, but the use of illegal drugs is a crime. Okay. And so

01:07:14.460 they tried to say that these laws were making homelessness, a crime, like the addiction thing

01:07:20.240 and what the court said, no, that's not what they're doing. This city. Okay. Was simply saying,

01:07:25.280 we understand that you're homeless. In fact, we have shelters for you that most of you don't want

01:07:30.500 to stay in or a large percentage don't. Um, so it wasn't homelessness. That was a crime. It was

01:07:36.620 you camping out on public property. That's a crime. And that can be regulated by the city or the state.

01:07:43.620 Right. And justice Sotomayor completely disregards what you just said, like that these people do have

01:07:51.780 somewhere to go. Like this city is saying, we've got homeless shelters. Don't camp out in the public

01:07:57.080 where people are trying to take their kids to the park, where people are trying to live. We just can't

01:08:02.200 have that. And yet justice Sotomayor writes in her dissenting opinion, this was six, three. So

01:08:07.060 conservative versus liberal, the eighth amendment prohibits, she says the eighth amendment against,

01:08:12.520 uh, cruel and unusual punishment prohibits punishing homelessness by criminalizing sleeping

01:08:17.400 outside. When an individual has nowhere to go, it is cruel and unusual to apply any penalty

01:08:22.900 selectively to minorities whose numbers are few who are outcasts of society and who are unpopular,

01:08:28.960 but to whom society is willing to see suffer though. It would not countenance general application of the

01:08:35.160 same penalty across the board. Again, these people do have somewhere to go. And what are we supposed

01:08:40.860 to do? Just allow tent cities everywhere. That is incentivizing homelessness. Would she, you think

01:08:46.100 she would be okay with having tent cities right outside the entrance that she goes into the Supreme

01:08:50.680 Court building every day? Her home? Absolutely not. These are rules for thee, not for me. And that's

01:08:56.280 exactly what she wants. Now, I am concerned that Gavin Newsom and I agree on this particular ruling.

01:09:02.480 Gavin Newsom? Yeah, he, he supported the city. He supported this because San Francisco has no way

01:09:11.460 to fight homelessness. Even if they decide to, they have no way to do it. This actually helps a city

01:09:16.720 like San Francisco should they decide to do something about it because over 50% of the people

01:09:21.980 have shelters available to them that aren't using them in San Francisco. Right. Uh, there was a thread

01:09:28.440 that said the eighth amendment doesn't apply because 80 to 90% of those, uh, who are homeless are offered

01:09:34.820 shelter. If you go to Skid Row in LA, there are 10,000 people on the street, many for 10 plus years.

01:09:40.180 Every single one of them has been offered shelter housing multiple times. They're choosing, uh, to stay

01:09:46.060 there. All right, let's talk about January 6th. This is Fisher v. United States. Conservatives are

01:09:51.600 excited about this. Well, and I get why they're excited and they should be, although it won't, it's

01:09:58.620 not, uh, it's not the, uh, end all to be all the be all to end all, I guess is what you'd say. But what,

01:10:04.220 what they, what the court found is that after Enron and Enron was a company that was found to

01:10:12.400 very much abused our financial regulatory system. And so they passed an act after that debacle called

01:10:21.700 the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which is named after senators and, and a, and a congressman. And that act

01:10:27.620 in it said that you cannot obstruct an official government, uh, procedure. Now it was talking about

01:10:37.840 congressional investigations. Okay. And congressional hearings. All right. It wasn't

01:10:44.500 talking about the court ruled. It wasn't talking about, uh, a public event like what happened on

01:10:51.340 January the 6th. And so that's where they drew, they, they basically said, you can't use that

01:10:58.780 particular clause to bring a case against the people on January 6th. So, and they use that in a lot

01:11:06.200 of their cases to try to, to convict people was that they said they were an obstructing an official

01:11:12.340 government, uh, procedure and under this particular statute. And that statute didn't apply to that.

01:11:20.680 Okay. I gotcha. The Atlantic says it like this. The Supreme court ignored the clear language of a

01:11:25.660 federal obstruction of justice statute to hold that the January 6th writers did not obstruct or impede

01:11:32.040 the congressional proceeding to certify the election. So they say the Supreme court just

01:11:37.280 ignored the clear language because I, I guess they think that the Supreme court is partisan and

01:11:43.200 doesn't care about the law. I'm sure that's what they think, but that's not what happened.

01:11:46.740 Yeah. Okay. Well, people feel like conservatives are winning right now, but we've got a long way to

01:11:52.180 go before the election. What's next? What should we be looking out for over the next few weeks?

01:11:57.080 Well, a couple of things we should be looking out for, and that is an all out barrage against

01:12:02.640 president Trump, uh, more of these, uh, uh, exposure or, or at least a heightening of whatever

01:12:10.820 he said during the debate that wasn't exactly true. Uh, there'll be more people come to make

01:12:16.200 different claims against him and what have you. We can also look out for this judge in New York.

01:12:21.120 That's going to sentence him here in the next week or 10 days and how that works out. I think

01:12:26.320 you'll see a lot of that. Um, but I think what people really need to be thinking about,

01:12:31.000 and again, I want to make sure people, we go back to this more than one in the past. And that is one,

01:12:38.360 the federal budget deficit in 2019. Okay. Three years into his deal was 4.2% of GDP. All right.

01:12:46.420 Gross domestic product, which is the overall economy under Biden, 6.2%. So there's a larger percentage

01:12:55.260 of our overall economy. Our debt is now that it's ever been, no matter what anybody says,

01:12:59.660 they said, Trump grew the debt more. It just doesn't work out that way. And you look at the

01:13:03.500 same timeframes. Also in 2019, if you can remember that inflation was 1.6%. I mean, basically no,

01:13:11.940 zero inflation. And in 22, at the end of 22 is six and a half percent at the end of 21,

01:13:18.260 it was 7%. I mean, it settled down some now, but remember, we're all still feeling it though.

01:13:25.300 Yeah. Well, here's the deal is, is that if it went up six and a half percent, let's say 7% in 21,

01:13:31.420 then in 22, it went up six and a half percent, but at six and a half percent on top of the 7%, right?

01:13:36.920 That's 13. And so now if it's four or 5%, we're at 20% greater. Things cost at least 20% or more

01:13:45.640 than they did. Gasoline prices in 2019 for $2.64. Okay. Now they're $3.40. Okay. So it's just,

01:13:55.800 people just have to remember that. And when you're voting and when you're thinking about voting,

01:14:00.480 just think about what happens in your pocketbook.

01:14:02.760 Yeah. And all of that matters. All of that matters. That affects how you can live your life,

01:14:08.620 the things that you can provide for your children. All of that affects your security,

01:14:13.600 your stability. You know, even the choices that you and your husband make as far as work goes. I mean,

01:14:20.240 that's a really big deal. In addition to all these other issues. And Biden didn't back away from any of

01:14:26.420 that. He will suspend more and more and more. Of course, of course he does. And women just

01:14:32.640 know that in the coming weeks, I know that Biden kind of fumbled the ball, at least from their

01:14:37.680 perspective on the abortion answer.

01:14:39.720 About Trump?

01:14:41.020 No, no. Biden fumbled the ball. Well, Trump too. But Biden fumbled the ball, you know,

01:14:46.220 from the Democrats' perspective on the abortion thing. He could have really hammered that home. But

01:14:50.200 look, you're going to get a lot of propaganda over the next few weeks, few months, that the pro-lifers

01:14:57.160 are restricting abortion care. No law restricts abortion care. You're going to be hearing a lot

01:15:03.080 of propaganda over the next few weeks from Democrats saying that pro-lifers are trying

01:15:10.060 to restrict miscarriage care. You are going to hear that a miscarriage is the same thing as an

01:15:17.160 abortion. That is not true. That is propaganda. There is no law that restricts care for a miscarriage,

01:15:24.140 even if there are some doctors that are confused out there. That is not the fault of the law.

01:15:28.600 Remember that abortion is a brutal procedure that kills a baby every single time. Democrats want that

01:15:35.060 through all nine months. That's what you have to remember. I think that they're going to use that

01:15:39.600 big time over the next few months. So we just have to keep our wits about us, right, Dad?

01:15:44.780 Absolutely, 100%. And you have to also continue to understand that we still live in the greatest

01:15:51.300 country in America. We're coming up on July the 4th, which is an incredible time to celebrate

01:15:56.280 with your family and friends. Really, the good things about America. I always want to remember

01:16:01.820 Ronald Reagan's talk about the shining city on a hill. And that's really what we are even today.

01:16:07.300 Even with all our troubles, people are flocking to America, okay? People don't flock from America.

01:16:13.820 They flock to America.

01:16:15.340 Yeah. And we just need to have the right ones in here and the bad ones need to

01:16:19.960 stay out. All right. Well, thanks so much, Dad. I really appreciate it. I know for everyone,

01:16:25.960 this is a longer episode, but we had a lot of ground to cover before the holiday. So

01:16:29.780 thanks so much, Dad.

01:16:31.480 You bet. Take care.

01:16:45.340 Thank you.

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Ep 1028 ｜ Who Will Replace Joe Biden？｜ Guest： Ron Simmons

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