Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 02, 2024


Ep 1029 ｜ Whistleblower Nurse Uncovers “Trans Kid” Medicaid Fraud ｜ Guest： Vanessa Sivadge


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46 minutes

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534

Misogynist Sentences

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Summary

Vanessa Sivage is a nurse who blew the whistle on Medicaid fraud occurring at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, Texas, the nation's largest children's hospital. She claims doctors have been defying Texas laws against providing cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers for children, and that doctors were enrolling many of these minor patients in Medicaid using false diagnoses.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Vanessa Sivage is a nurse who blew the whistle on Medicaid fraud occurring at Texas Children's
00:00:05.660 Hospital in Houston, Texas, the nation's largest children's hospital. Vanessa claims doctors have
00:00:12.120 been defying Texas laws against providing cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers for
00:00:17.580 children, and that doctors were enrolling many of these minor patients in Medicaid using false
00:00:23.360 diagnoses. A devout Christian, she has spoken out against gender ideology in general since 2022.
00:00:30.480 But in 2023, she anonymously corroborated a report released by Dr. Etan Haim, a surgeon at Texas
00:00:37.700 Children's Hospital, who revealed to journalist Christopher Rufo that despite Texas law, children
00:00:43.400 were being given harmful drugs in the name of quote-unquote gender-affirming care, often without
00:00:50.180 any understanding of their long-term consequences. For that, Vanessa was targeted by the FBI who showed
00:00:57.460 up at her door last year to talk with her about her involvement with Dr. Haim's whistleblower
00:01:03.480 report. But she wasn't intimidated. Just a few weeks ago, in June of 2024, Vanessa came forward
00:01:10.460 with evidence of transgenderism-centered Medicaid fraud at Texas Children's Hospital. She is now
00:01:17.460 bravely sharing her name, her face, and her story in the hopes that she will play a part in dismantling
00:01:24.360 this destructive part of our medical system. Vanessa and her husband are longtime relatable
00:01:30.600 listeners. And I am honored to have her here on the show today to tell her story. This episode is
00:01:37.280 brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com. Use code Allie at checkout.
00:01:41.860 That's goodranchers.com. Code Allie. Vanessa, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you
00:01:57.140 let everyone know who you are and what you do? Thank you so much for having me. It's truly an honor to be
00:02:03.000 with you. Thanks. My name is Vanessa Sivage. I am a pediatric registered nurse at Texas Children's
00:02:10.780 Hospital. I've been married to my husband, Blake, for the past five years. And we live and work in
00:02:19.120 Houston. And I was the anonymous whistleblower in a story released in May of 2023 by Christopher Rufo
00:02:28.780 exposing the existence of a secret transgender medicine program at the nation's largest children's
00:02:35.700 hospital. So I came forward anonymously at that time to corroborate and affirm a first whistleblower
00:02:42.760 who had come forward to reveal the existence of that to the public.
00:02:49.300 Okay. And I've seen this really circulating recently, though, in the past couple of in the past couple of
00:02:56.580 months. And you have given a lot of interviews recently. Why is this in the news again?
00:03:02.380 I came forward publicly with my name on June 18th of 2024. Because I have witnessed numerous examples
00:03:11.880 of Texas Children's Hospital committing Medicaid fraud, and using Medicaid to cover transgender
00:03:19.500 treatments and hormones. And also the misdiagnosing of transgender patients for the purpose of
00:03:28.560 using Medicaid to cover those. Right. Medicaid in the state of Texas is not supposed to cover
00:03:34.480 what is typically referred to as gender affirming care. That's not how I would describe it. These are
00:03:40.960 different procedures that people undergo to try to seem like they are the opposite sex. And
00:03:49.480 so you found out that Medicaid was being used to cover these procedures.
00:03:54.980 I did. And it was something that truly should outrage every American tax bank citizen that
00:04:04.040 our tax dollars are going to fund transgender hormones.
00:04:08.120 And this is at a children's hospital?
00:04:10.740 The largest children's hospital in the nation. Yes.
00:04:13.080 So tell me what you were seeing. These procedures? How were these patients being treated? What was the
00:04:19.200 process like?
00:04:20.360 So the story really starts in 2021. I was hired, or I accepted a new role in a pediatric multi-specialty
00:04:27.780 clinic. And this was the very same clinic that Dr. Richard Roberts was working at, and seeing
00:04:34.900 transgender patients at. And very quickly, I just started to notice that transgender patients
00:04:44.660 were being seen, that he was prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. And even though
00:04:52.440 my interaction with this particular patient population was very minimal, I would say it was
00:04:58.140 only about 10% of my total job description. I still received refill requests and had to field
00:05:06.400 questions from parents on his behalf or on their behalf. And I knew with every fiber of my being
00:05:16.480 that this was wrong, what he was doing. And I had a, you know, a real crisis of conscience at one point
00:05:24.480 because I couldn't justify even having an indirect role in what was going on.
00:05:30.640 Yeah. And you're not even talking about the Medicaid stuff at this point. You're just talking
00:05:34.300 about the fact that he was, he was allowing young people, minors to go on cross-sex hormones and things
00:05:42.440 like that.
00:05:43.060 Yes. Yeah. And so, you know, at one point I started being, I was asked to do things that were against
00:05:53.000 everything I believed and against my faith. Um, I can think of one example where, uh, there was one
00:05:59.400 particular day in clinic, uh, and he asked me to do like a patient teaching or patient education for
00:06:08.140 a particular, a male. And, uh, he asked if I could go into this patient's room and teach, um, how to
00:06:15.780 administer like an injection. Um, and, and didn't realize what was happening at the time. But later
00:06:23.000 I realized that this teenage boy was going to be administering synthetic estrogen to himself
00:06:30.240 throughout the week. And that I had taught him how to do that. And that was devastating for me. And it
00:06:38.160 was something I, I truly was so uncomfortable with. Um, and so I almost quit on a number of occasions.
00:06:45.600 I, I couldn't, um, I couldn't justify staying there. Um, and did you talk to any of your colleagues?
00:06:53.920 Did anyone else that you worked with talk about this too and their discomfort?
00:07:00.320 Yeah, there, um, thankfully there were some like-minded people that I worked with and that
00:07:05.380 was a real blessing. But just to paint the picture even a little more about the hospital culture,
00:07:10.240 um, every year, um, every year, Texas Children's Hospital releases a mandatory training for all
00:07:15.660 employees. And, uh, every, at the beginning of every training, the first portion of that
00:07:23.640 is the LGBTQ, LGBTQ inclusion portion. And that covers gender identity, sexual orientation,
00:07:34.000 uh, gender expression, gender dysphoria, and conscious and unconscious bias. And so this is something
00:07:39.660 that's very embedded into the fabric of the hospital, this ideology. Um, and so I definitely
00:07:48.500 felt very outnumbered and very overwhelmed. And I know I'm not the only one, um, who's working
00:07:55.140 in a, in a, in a hostile environment, you know?
00:07:57.860 Right. And you said that you observed doctors during this time manipulating the parents of these
00:08:06.740 young patients, trying to convince them to agree to treatment, so-called treatment, uh, without
00:08:15.840 really informing them about the long-term side effects of puberty blockers and cross-sex
00:08:22.340 hormones. Is that right?
00:08:23.580 It is. I would even go a step further because, um, doctors would note at the end of every visit,
00:08:31.140 there is no contraindication to beginning testosterone. There is no contraindication
00:08:36.600 to beginning estrogen. Wow. And that is a lie. And it's, it's, it's especially a lie because the
00:08:43.780 number of teenage girls that I saw, uh, coming in through the clinic with a multitude of health
00:08:50.920 issues, in addition to being confused about their sex, they're coming in with, um, depression and
00:08:57.340 anxiety. And many of them have autism. Many of them have some cognitive delays or, and it's just,
00:09:04.620 um, they, those issues go untreated in the name of gender affirming care.
00:09:10.380 Right. And did you have a lot of interactions with these patients or were you more just on the
00:09:14.820 observing side?
00:09:16.260 I, I was one of, I was on the observing side. Um, I, I had a very minimal role, very minimal role.
00:09:24.420 Yeah. Yeah. But you still got to see firsthand the kinds of patients, the interaction, some of the
00:09:30.200 things that the doctors were saying and all of this really troubled you. Like you said, you were
00:09:35.720 having a crisis of conscience because this goes against your faith. I'm assuming that when you
00:09:40.660 took this job, even if you didn't know that LGBTQ inclusion so-called was going to be a part of it,
00:09:47.500 that's a part of a lot of corporate jobs right now. I'm sure you didn't think that it would entail
00:09:53.120 this basically having to play an indirect role in convincing kids that they're born in the wrong
00:10:01.720 body. Yeah. And the, just the, the, even just the knowledge that if I were to speak out or just
00:10:08.660 let my manager or my leaders know, Hey, I have a problem with this, that it would probably result
00:10:14.160 in termination or something similar. Yeah. It was, um, it was a really difficult time.
00:10:20.960 And so, um, this ultimately led to May of 2023 where, um, Christopher Rufo released an article,
00:10:34.260 um, with another, with a, with a whistleblower and this whistleblower had, um, included some redacted
00:10:41.740 documents, uh, that proved the existence of this transgender medicine program, which up until this
00:10:48.920 point had been hidden from the public and from lawmakers. It wasn't even on the hospital website.
00:10:53.760 It was under, it was under wraps. It was. Okay. And I had firsthand knowledge that what this
00:10:59.460 whistleblower had reported was true because I was working in this clinic. Um, and I knew that I had
00:11:04.620 just to, just to speak up and to affirm what was reported.
00:11:19.560 One thing that you told an interviewer is that the doctor would do things based on what the patient
00:11:23.820 wanted and not what was medically best for them. You said that there was no discussion of what the
00:11:30.520 risks are, what the long-term effects are. And of course, as you said, this whistleblower said the
00:11:35.900 same thing. When you saw them come forward, you were like, okay, patients are at risk. I have to,
00:11:40.620 I have to do something here. So what happened after that, after you saw this report come out,
00:11:44.960 I'm sure your stomach just dropped and you were like, oh my gosh, I'm not the only one.
00:11:48.240 Yeah. Um, yeah, I think parents were manipulated into, um, they were convinced that this was the best
00:12:00.420 thing for their child. And, um, these doctors are deeply committed individuals to this ideology.
00:12:11.840 And I truly believe that they believe that they're doing the right thing, that they're saving lives,
00:12:17.340 they're, they're fully, they've fully bought in, unfortunately. Um, did you ever see any parents
00:12:26.780 pushing back against the doctors? How did the doctors deal with that? If there was a parent that
00:12:31.800 said, you know, my child just went to the ER last week for suicide. I don't think we need to just be
00:12:36.960 prescribing them hormones that can change their mental state even more. Like how did the doctors deal
00:12:41.680 with that? Yeah, it's interesting. Um, there were always two, two types of parent that was noted in
00:12:49.960 the chart. One type was the ones that were, um, that one category was the ones that were affirming
00:12:57.020 and encouraging of their child wanting to transition. The other ones were a bit more hesitant
00:13:02.280 and not so sure. And that was clearly noted by the, by the doctor, um, which ones were supportive
00:13:10.080 and which ones were not. Um, and with time you would just see that the parents that were hesitant
00:13:16.740 eventually bought in and were completely affirming. And, um, it was clear that this train was only going
00:13:27.420 in one direction. Yeah. I mean, if you have a doctor tell you this is the only solution to their
00:13:35.360 problems, this is going to heal all their other mental illnesses, which is so not true. Um, this
00:13:41.040 is going to save them from suicide. And then your child is looking you in the eye with, you know,
00:13:46.880 tears streaking down their face saying, please let me do this. My happiness, my life depends on this.
00:13:54.460 That puts the parent in a really tough position. Yeah. And I, I mean, I truly have so much compassion
00:14:01.840 for the parents who want nothing but the, but the best for their child. Um, but they're very misled
00:14:09.440 by medical professionals. It's, this is a huge, hugely lucrative industry. Yeah. And many of them,
00:14:15.680 um, look at a child and see a dollar sign. Yeah. Well, you mentioned that you feel that these doctors,
00:14:22.720 yes, they're ideologically motivated. Um, but you did say that you believe that they believe
00:14:30.720 they are doing the right thing and saving lives, but you also just pointed out something really
00:14:35.240 important. There's a lot of money to be made by prescribing hormones. And then eventually on the
00:14:40.400 path to chemical, you know, chemical castration, real castration, double mastectomies and all of that.
00:14:46.080 Did you ever get the idea that these doctors were actually motivated by their own kind of like
00:14:52.960 selfish desire for money? That's a really interesting question. Um,
00:14:59.960 it's so hard to know on the outside what a person's motives are. Um, but you know, some,
00:15:10.360 some excellent reporting has come out recently that's really exposed some of these, some of these
00:15:15.240 doctors who are providing transgender medicine and what, um, what groups they're a part of the,
00:15:21.360 you know, what organizations fund them and give them funding. And so, um,
00:15:28.800 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Um, I mean, obviously the intent is evil no matter what,
00:15:34.680 even if the person does think that they're doing the right thing, telling a child or a person they're
00:15:39.340 born in the wrong body is going to have horrible consequences. So tell us about how you found out
00:15:44.440 about the fraud that was going on. Yeah. Um, probably, um, within, you know,
00:15:55.200 within the last year, um, this was after the FBI came, um, I was, you know, to, to the best of my
00:16:05.600 ability, trying to do my job in the best way that I knew how, by this point, the Texas law had been
00:16:10.220 passed, um, last September and September, 2023. Um, it is now illegal to, to provide, uh, gender
00:16:18.320 affirming care for minors, so-called gender affirming care. Um, and so it was during this
00:16:25.460 time that I started noticing some discrepancies in the paperwork, some red flags that really caught
00:16:30.300 my attention and, uh, noticed two things. The first is that, um, perfectly healthy, uh, teenagers,
00:16:40.940 minors, um, who are on Medicaid or chip or star or a similar kind of insurance, uh, that Texas
00:16:51.240 Children's Hospital is using Medicaid to cover transgender treatments, whether that's cross
00:16:58.300 sex hormones or puberty blockers. And that is illegal per the Texas Medicaid policy. That's
00:17:04.620 the first thing. The second thing is that, uh, I saw, uh, some examples of providers who were
00:17:12.840 intentionally misdiagnosing transgender patients for the purpose of justifying those cross-sex
00:17:19.740 hormones. So I'll give you an example. Um, a healthy 16 year old male was said to have an estrogen
00:17:27.780 deficiency as the official diagnosis. And that then allowed the doctor to prescribe estrogen to this
00:17:36.200 healthy boy and vice versa with a female. And this was, again, they were not trying to hide this. This
00:17:42.860 was very clearly, um, noted. And, um, it's really, it's just really obvious that the hospital continues
00:17:51.660 to lie, um, despite their history of lying to the public. Wow. So they were misdiagnosing
00:17:59.280 intentionally patients so they could get the Medicaid coverage for a so-called hormone deficiency
00:18:05.760 when really these people had, I mean, you could call it gender dysphoria. I don't even think that
00:18:11.500 that's the accurate terminology in all these cases. It's just kind of gender deception. Um, really in
00:18:18.740 every case, whether or not someone is truly dysphoric, but in order to get the Medicaid
00:18:23.380 coverage, they had to lie and they weren't trying to, you said, hide it from you. It was just like,
00:18:28.320 yeah, this is just what we have to do. Yeah. Anything, anything goes. Wow. Um, so Texas
00:18:34.260 Children's Hospital said in March, 2022, that it would stop quote unquote gender affirming
00:18:39.900 hormone treatments for kids after governor Greg Abbott and attorney general
00:18:44.080 Ken Paxton declared such treatments, child abuse in June, 2023, the state legislature passed a law
00:18:50.120 banning trans treatments for kids, barring taxpayer funds from going to pay for gender affirming care.
00:18:56.200 So called feel like I always have to caveat that because it's such an awful phrase.
00:19:01.320 You spoke out publicly against, um, transgender medicine for children in 2022. And then you wrote
00:19:21.960 for the family research council, um, that you believe this would inflict long-term harm on young patients.
00:19:30.460 What was the aftermath of that? Yeah, that's a really good question. Um, yeah, this was during
00:19:37.260 the time when I was really struggling if I wanted to quit or not. And so I wrote this piece called, um,
00:19:45.000 what happened to do no harm of a nurse's firsthand view of the transgender craze. And that was in August
00:19:51.880 of 2022. And at the time I really debated whether or not to use my name with that piece, knowing that
00:19:58.840 it might carry some risk. Um, but I chose to do that anyway. And, um, in, uh, in July of last year of 2023,
00:20:10.900 after I came forward anonymously with Christopher Rufo, um, it was a Monday evening and we were having
00:20:20.120 dinner with friends at home and all of a sudden there's a knock on the door and, uh, I go to answer
00:20:27.400 it. And my husband and I are shocked that two federal agents are asking for me to speak to me
00:20:34.460 about issues at my work. And they flashed their badges. They said they were from the FBI and, um,
00:20:42.300 they said that they had come to my home because they knew what I believed. They knew of my views
00:20:51.160 against transgender medicine. They also said that I was a person of interest in an investigation
00:20:58.840 targeting a whistleblower. And this whistleblower had, of course, released an article previously
00:21:05.540 with some redacted documents, but according to them, he was not a whistleblower. He was a leaker.
00:21:12.300 And he had broken the law, broken HIPAA by, uh, releasing confidential patient information,
00:21:19.920 which of course I knew was a lie because those documents were redacted. And we of course now
00:21:25.140 know that this was Dr. Eitan Heim. He's come forward publicly since then, but at the time I had
00:21:30.340 no idea who he was and had never met him. Um, and so they proceeded to tell me that I was not safe
00:21:37.980 at my work that if I did not cooperate with them, if I did not help them, but they could not protect
00:21:43.820 me. Um, they made me feel very coerced and intimidated. Um, and essentially just, yeah,
00:21:55.000 made me feel very unsafe. Yeah. So before we have a clip of that, uh, but let me make sure I have the
00:22:00.600 timeline. Correct. So, uh, back in, you started in 2021 and then in 2022 is when you first started
00:22:09.220 publicly talking about the harms that you thought, uh, these procedures, this medication, um, will have
00:22:18.140 on children. Correct. In 2023, it was outlawed in the state of Texas. And 2023 is also when you noticed
00:22:27.320 the Medicaid fraud. Now in 2022, that's when the first whistleblower, right? Or was it 2023?
00:22:34.280 2023. Okay. Of May of 2023 is when the first whistleblower came out and said,
00:22:40.400 Hey, this is what's happening. It's not supposed to be happening here, but this is what's happening.
00:22:46.460 Many of the things that you're saying, how the patients were treated. And you said that's Dr.
00:22:51.440 Eitan Heim. He was the whistleblower. We didn't know it at the time. That was anonymous. We've only
00:22:56.560 recently kind of learned his, uh, identity. You came forward when that first whistleblower report
00:23:03.680 was, uh, released corroborating what he was saying. Yes. Right. Yes. About the Medicaid fraud.
00:23:12.200 At that point, it was just the procedures. Yes. Okay. Just the medical so-called care. Yes. Um,
00:23:19.720 and that is why then in 2023, a few months later in July, the FBI showed up at your house because
00:23:26.440 they're basically saying, yes, this, uh, Dr. Heim was not a whistleblower. Yes. And that he was a
00:23:33.260 leaker. Yes. That he violated HIPAA. Yes. You're saying those documents were redacted though. That
00:23:39.020 means that all of the pertinent, you know, private information that would be protected by HIPAA
00:23:43.900 that was removed, that was taken out. Correct. Um, but they're saying, Oh no, he violated HIPAA.
00:23:48.940 He's not protected as a whistleblower. Right. And they were basically accusing you of playing a part
00:23:54.300 in that because you had publicly come out and corroborated what he said. Not just that,
00:23:58.880 but they actually requested my help in exposing him and exposing his identity. So they were asking
00:24:05.180 for my help in basically, you know, yeah, exposing his identity to the world. Okay. And of course I had
00:24:15.300 no idea who he was. Yeah. Um, at this point he was still anonymous. Y'all hadn't talked. Right. No,
00:24:19.780 no. Um, but they knew that we were aligned ideologically against transgender medicine.
00:24:27.100 And I believe that they thought they could intimidate me into helping them.
00:24:31.180 So I am curious when you spoke out against what was happening in 2022,
00:24:36.840 how did that affect your life at work?
00:24:41.620 It didn't really, nothing really happened at least that I felt or that I experienced.
00:24:47.260 Did anyone talk to you? No, I, I was very, I kept a really low profile. Yeah. Yeah. And it's,
00:24:55.020 I mean, it's a big hospital. Yeah. So, okay. Gotcha. So I just wanted to clarify that 2023 FBI shows up,
00:25:01.760 says we need your help. Um, and exposing this leaker here is sought one.
00:25:10.080 Hello. Hi, I'm looking for Vanessa Savage. Okay. Yeah.
00:25:16.320 Hi, how are you? I'll make some FBI agent. Okay.
00:25:20.600 This is Mr. McBride. I'm David McBride. Okay. Nice to be here.
00:25:23.120 It's a really pleasant interaction. You're not in trouble.
00:25:25.280 Okay. All right. Um, hi. Hi, how are you?
00:25:29.680 I want to see snuck up on you there. You want, you want to see, too?
00:25:32.820 Are we interrupting dinner? I'm really sorry. That's all right. What's going on?
00:25:36.320 Um, let me start at the beginning.
00:25:39.880 So I'm sure you're aware of some of the things that have been going on at your work lately.
00:25:46.320 With regards to, yeah, so I gotta, can I, can we sit down for a minute? Let me do my song and dance.
00:25:56.220 Okay. I know you said that you were shocked. Tell me what's running through your mind at that point.
00:26:00.240 Did you kind of immediately know why they were there?
00:26:02.280 I did immediately know why they were there. Um, but it was still such a shocking experience to have the FBI not wanting to know about the hospital committing the crime,
00:26:15.900 but to be at the front door of a nurse exposing the crime.
00:26:21.780 Okay. Yeah. And then what happened from there?
00:26:24.900 Um, well, I mean, um, like I said, they just, um, thought they could intimidate me into helping them and asked for my help in exposing the identity of this whistleblower.
00:26:39.980 Uh, they said I wasn't, uh, I wasn't safe unless I helped them and that they couldn't protect me unless I helped them.
00:26:48.440 Did they, were they specific about that? Like you're not safe at work. We need to protect you. Like what? From what?
00:26:55.680 I think they were intentionally vague on purpose.
00:26:59.880 Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. They're just hoping to scare you basically.
00:27:03.660 Yeah. Um, were you off put by how friendly they were, what they looked like? I think that's intentional. I think they do that on purpose. Yeah. Um, but was that off footing?
00:27:14.180 Yeah. They made a comment at the very end and they were, they just said, Hey, you know, we could have shown up to your work in black suits and done the whole charade at your work, but we chose not to do that. We chose to come in normal clothes to your home.
00:27:28.820 That's worse. I think that's worse. You show up at my house like good old boy, Bubba. No, thank you. And that's, I mean, I, to me, it's so strategic how they do this. And obviously this is a part of training. I don't have any special insight into how the FBI works, but for people who are just listening, not watching, they look like, you know, good old Texas boys. And the way he says, let me just do my song and dance as if, as if, Oh, I don't really think this is a big deal either.
00:27:57.820 Either. Let's just get through some things. You just talk to me. It's going to be no big deal. Yeah. That's, that's very strategic to make you think, yeah, I'm on your side too. I'm just doing my job. Don't worry about it.
00:28:10.240 I think it is very disarming for someone who has no idea what's going on. They're making it seem like they're your friend and that they're, that they're on your side when the exact opposite is true.
00:28:21.080 Yeah. So tell me what has happened since then.
00:28:25.080 Well, you know, in, in the weeks and months that followed July 24th of 2023, um, you know, there is no rule book for what to do after something like this happens. There's no, um, you know, we, we just didn't know what to do or what to think or who to speak with, or if we even needed legal representation.
00:28:49.160 And so, um, it was a really difficult time where, you know, we had to, um, rely on the Lord and just turn to him.
00:28:58.280 Um, and so there was, there's a couple of Bible verses that were really significant for me during this time. The first one is in Ephesians five, uh, verse 11, and it says to have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of evil and darkness, but expose them.
00:29:14.000 Um, um, everything that is, everything that the light, um, touches is exposed. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, that was really meaningful for me. And I took that very literally. And, um, you know, you've, you've talked about this a lot, that what God define, what God, what God designs, he defines.
00:29:35.340 Um, and, um, that this is not an issue that we should compromise on. This is a foundational Genesis one issue. Um, and so, uh, God will often bring people to a place where the only option is to depend on him.
00:29:53.680 Mm-hmm. And, um, um, whether or not it's what I went through or whatever difficult situation a person finds themselves in, um, God is ultimately about his glory and about bringing himself glory.
00:30:07.500 And, uh, the Bible talks about how, um, in Ephesians two, that we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works that he prepared in advance for us to do, that we would walk in them.
00:30:18.380 Um, and I realized that this was the, this was the good work that God has prepared in advance that I would walk in it.
00:30:28.780 And despite the fact that this was so terrifying and so unforeseen and so unexpected to me, this was not an accident to God.
00:30:39.740 And he knew this would happen a long time ago.
00:30:45.360 And this is the good work that he's prepared in advance that I would do.
00:30:50.360 And so, um, reclaiming that truth and also just speaking the promises of God over myself, that God is ultimately my defender, that he's my protector.
00:31:01.800 Um, um, that Jesus is my advocate before God, the father, that nothing can snatch me out of his hand.
00:31:09.400 You know, those truths, speaking those truths to the fear and the anxiety that the enemy wants to keep you in, um, was so critical for me in the weeks that followed.
00:31:19.220 Um, and so, um, ultimately that God is worthy of our trust no matter what happens.
00:31:27.120 Um, and so we, we knew that this was not the end of the story, that we had to speak out, that we had to affirm what God has deemed good.
00:31:38.280 And that is the good and perfect design in men and women.
00:31:44.200 Um, his design for our gender and sexuality is good and beautiful and right.
00:31:49.100 And we are called to affirm that no matter the cost.
00:31:52.940 Did you have more interactions with those FBI agents?
00:31:56.300 Not yet.
00:31:57.840 No.
00:31:58.460 No.
00:31:58.980 Okay.
00:31:59.320 So after that, after they came to your house and you talked to them, did you hear from the FBI at all again?
00:32:05.780 No.
00:32:06.980 Okay.
00:32:07.780 No.
00:32:08.120 So what made you decide to reveal your identity recently?
00:32:12.780 Um, I chose to come forward publicly because the hospital was committing Medicaid fraud and nobody knew about it.
00:32:24.440 And...
00:32:26.300 You know, it, it, it wasn't enough that they had concealed a secret transgender medicine program from the public and from lawmakers, but now they are using taxpayer dollars to fund these transgender procedures.
00:32:40.720 Mm-hmm.
00:32:41.740 And I could not stay silent about that.
00:32:44.400 Yeah.
00:32:45.040 Wow.
00:32:46.460 Were you hesitant at any point before revealing your identity?
00:32:51.360 Because you were already public, publicly critical of what was going on there.
00:32:56.520 But this, especially after the FBI had come to your house, accusing you of being part of some like leaking plot, I imagine taking this next step to say, no, now I am a whistleblower too.
00:33:07.660 And here's my name.
00:33:08.520 I imagine that that was kind of scary, even knowing everything that you just outlined.
00:33:12.660 It was scary, but I am more scared of children being harmed and of whistleblowers not having the courage to come forward and speak what has, what is, what is happening that is illegal in hospitals.
00:33:31.100 Um, I want for other medical professionals who are working in a hostile environment to feel emboldened and encouraged to reveal what's been done behind closed doors and what's been done in secret.
00:33:45.100 Mm-hmm.
00:33:45.760 So that's what I'm most passionate about.
00:33:49.520 Yeah.
00:33:50.240 And right now, like, what does, what does life look like?
00:33:54.660 Are you doing interviews every day?
00:33:56.520 Do you feel like this is something that God is calling you to do professionally?
00:34:01.660 Or are you just kind of seeing what opportunities God brings to you?
00:34:07.300 Um, I, I am so deeply passionate about this.
00:34:14.520 And so I am very open to what God has for me in the future.
00:34:30.820 So the taxes attorney general, since you have come forward with this Medicaid fraud, he says that he is investigating it.
00:34:37.800 Yes, he did make an announcement or his office made the announcement that they're investigating, um, potential Medicaid fraud.
00:34:44.520 And Dr. Ethan, uh, sorry, it's a ton.
00:34:49.180 Is that a ton?
00:34:49.800 It's on.
00:34:50.440 Okay.
00:34:50.820 Dr. Heim, um, the surgeon who was the whistleblower, who was being called a leaker by the FBI.
00:34:57.700 He has been indicted on four felony counts of violating HIPAA.
00:35:03.980 According to the now unsealed indictment, this is an update from USA Today.
00:35:08.300 The U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of Texas has charged time with obtaining protected individual health information for parents who were not under his care and without authorization.
00:35:19.200 So I know you said that they are redacted, but like, what do you think about this claim that he was doing something that was unauthorized?
00:35:28.760 Um, I think that the Biden administration has weaponized the Department of Justice to come after people of faith and law abiding citizens.
00:35:39.760 They're not going after the people who are committing the crime, but the people exposing the crime.
00:35:46.520 And I believe that he's done nothing wrong.
00:35:49.320 I believe that this is a farce and a witch hunt.
00:35:54.340 Um, that we are trained in nursing school, uh, that we are held to a really high standard of ethics.
00:36:02.120 And that if we see something illegal, we see something suspicious that we have to come forward.
00:36:07.060 We have to report it.
00:36:08.280 We have to talk about it.
00:36:09.480 Like you, uh, you know, if a surgeon is operating on an individual, it's, and the surgeon comes in and he's intoxicated and he's drunk and he's about to perform surgery.
00:36:22.320 You want a nurse who's going to say, Hey, this isn't right.
00:36:26.320 You need to call us off.
00:36:28.560 You're intoxicated.
00:36:29.560 The, the life of the patient is at risk.
00:36:32.720 You want a nurse who's going to say that.
00:36:35.340 And yet I'm saying what I've seen, what I've observed, that's illegal as he has.
00:36:43.500 And the Biden administration is now after him.
00:36:46.460 And that's, that's so wrong.
00:36:48.940 Right.
00:36:49.480 And you named some of these doctors.
00:36:51.500 You already mentioned one, Dr. Richard Roberts.
00:36:54.620 Roberts, Roberts has managed a large number of pediatric sex change patients.
00:36:58.540 He allegedly prescribed sex change hormones to a female who identified as non-binary and records claimed that she was a male.
00:37:07.560 That's how, as you said, she was enrolled in the state Medicaid program.
00:37:11.500 And then Dr. David Paul is another one.
00:37:14.720 He managed a large number of pediatric sex change patients.
00:37:17.340 And these are people who continued to allow these prescriptions and procedures even after it was made illegal in the state of Texas.
00:37:27.020 And so they just, they just didn't care.
00:37:29.740 They felt protected by some bigger system than the state.
00:37:32.940 And I think they were counting on the fact that everyone would just get on board and stay silent.
00:37:41.480 And that there would be no one to expose what they were doing.
00:37:46.240 Yeah.
00:37:46.900 And that's what they were counting on.
00:37:48.260 Yeah.
00:37:48.740 And as you mentioned, I mean, we don't know their motivations, but you have written before, and this is true, that for a child who decides that they want to start identifying as the opposite sex, you're looking about at about $70,000 per child.
00:38:03.520 With all the procedures and the prescriptions and then the path that they go down, even fertility preservation at times, the surgeries.
00:38:14.040 I mean, it's hard not to imagine that some of this has to do with the fact that it is so insanely lucrative.
00:38:20.740 Yeah.
00:38:21.020 And I like to refer to them as the unholy trinity, the unholy trinity that consists of hospitals and insurance and pharmaceuticals.
00:38:30.200 Yeah.
00:38:30.780 And they are all profiting off of this.
00:38:32.720 Totally.
00:38:33.240 And they're making children medical patients for life.
00:38:37.420 Mm-hmm.
00:38:37.920 They, you know, it's interesting with, let's just say abortion.
00:38:43.580 A woman goes in to have an abortion and it's one time.
00:38:47.620 Unless you, you know, but it's one time.
00:38:51.600 With transgender patients, you are prescribing medications and hormones.
00:38:56.240 They have to be on these for multiple times a week, multiple visits per month for years and years and years.
00:39:03.240 And so this is a highly lucrative industry.
00:39:06.000 Mm-hmm.
00:39:06.880 They become slaves to the medical industrial complex because it affects your entire body for your entire life.
00:39:16.140 Some of the effects are reversible depending on how long you are on the cross-sex hormones and the puberty blockers.
00:39:22.980 But we're talking about lifelong sterility.
00:39:25.240 We're talking about uterine and vaginal atrophy.
00:39:28.740 We're talking about all kinds of complications and issues that can certainly come from a man who goes through those kind of genital procedures.
00:39:36.580 And it all starts with social affirmation that leads to medical affirmation and more and more interventions.
00:39:46.720 And we need more people who are willing to say, no, no, this is not okay.
00:39:52.900 And I'm glad that the state of Texas is at least on your side and they're taking these claims seriously.
00:39:59.220 I mean, praise God for that.
00:40:01.060 Yeah.
00:40:01.200 I mean, because doctors should think.
00:40:02.740 They should have to think twice.
00:40:04.040 Ooh, is this going to hurt my career?
00:40:06.440 Am I going to be able to keep my medical license if I do this?
00:40:09.360 Am I going to lose a bunch of money because I'm going to be sued?
00:40:11.900 Because, like, it should be really, really, really costly for doctors to prescribe these kinds of medications.
00:40:21.820 Yeah.
00:40:22.120 And I'm, you know, one of my prayers is that more and more people will start to rise up, will start to expose what's been done behind closed doors,
00:40:32.960 to where these doctors do feel that there's some accountability with the public, that this is not accepted across the board,
00:40:43.560 that there's a large portion of the general public that is completely in disagreement.
00:41:02.960 And a lot of people just don't know.
00:41:04.900 Yeah.
00:41:05.160 They just don't know what goes on.
00:41:06.500 This is according to USA Today.
00:41:08.080 I think these are positive trends.
00:41:10.560 Recently, the National Health Service England said it will not prescribe puberty blockers as a routine treatment to children
00:41:17.700 and other young people seeking gender transitions.
00:41:20.220 The Cass Review, an independent nearly 400-page report on transgender care, so-called,
00:41:25.660 suggested that providers slow down on drug treatments and found that the evidence supporting this kind of gender care is remarkably weak.
00:41:32.460 The American College of Pediatrics, this is different than the American Association of Pediatrics,
00:41:38.580 or American College of Pediatricians, a group of about 700 conservative medical providers
00:41:44.120 recently urged other medical professionals to cease intervening in the care of gender-confused minors.
00:41:50.660 In recent years, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden have worked on placing new limits on hormone treatments
00:41:56.540 for youth experiencing gender confusion.
00:42:00.440 And so we need every single bit of courage, like every single bit of bravery to push this down.
00:42:09.400 Because as you said, that unholy trinity that you described has a lot of money and a lot of power,
00:42:16.040 institutional power, backed currently by our presidential administration.
00:42:20.960 Of course they feel confident to defy the law.
00:42:24.340 And the media, Hollywood, big tech, they're all in support of this.
00:42:30.820 Did you feel that there were colleagues that wanted to speak out but were intimidated by all of that?
00:42:38.560 Absolutely.
00:42:39.880 Yeah.
00:42:40.120 Yeah, there's great risk to speak out.
00:42:43.620 I've taken a lot of risks, but I believe that those risks are worthwhile and they're worth it
00:42:48.320 because the lives of children are at stake here.
00:42:51.580 Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:53.160 What has the support been like?
00:42:55.460 What's the response been like since you publicly outed yourself?
00:43:00.160 People have been so supportive and so encouraging.
00:43:07.020 And I've received so many messages from people who are just, yeah, just really, really kind messages
00:43:17.440 that have made me feel like I'm doing the right thing and that this is ultimately for the glory of God.
00:43:24.160 Totally.
00:43:24.900 You've had people share the arrows with you.
00:43:27.080 That's right.
00:43:27.480 Totally.
00:43:27.960 Yeah.
00:43:28.320 Good.
00:43:29.260 Well, thank you so much for sharing your story.
00:43:31.460 And I know all glory goes to God and the Holy Spirit empowering you, but I'm just so,
00:43:35.400 I'm thankful because it would have been easy for you to either keep doing what you were doing
00:43:41.320 or quit your job and to just be quiet about it.
00:43:45.060 It would have been a lot easier for you to do that.
00:43:47.500 A lot less stressful.
00:43:49.100 But I'm thankful that you took the hard path.
00:43:52.820 Um, I know that you and your husband have been listening to Relatable for a while.
00:43:58.940 I'm interested in that though.
00:44:00.420 Tell me, tell me when you started listening to the show.
00:44:03.280 Um, my husband actually sent me your podcast in 2020.
00:44:08.140 And this was when, yeah, the presidential race, BLM, the mess, yes, all of that was going on.
00:44:16.840 And I just want to tell you, and hopefully I do not cry my eyeballs out that I am just so grateful for your ministry.
00:44:25.300 You have shaped so many of my views as it relates to faith and politics.
00:44:30.780 And I am so appreciative of how, um, you've been used by God to impact so many people.
00:44:39.300 And I'm one of those people.
00:44:40.600 So I'm so grateful.
00:44:42.160 Thank you.
00:44:42.960 Well, all glory to God.
00:44:44.140 We're all just working together to advance the kingdom as much as we can.
00:44:49.500 And even if that just means not affirming the lies of this age, that can be really powerful.
00:44:57.980 And courage is contagious.
00:44:59.940 And you may never know the effect, the impact that your courage has.
00:45:08.280 It will only be on the other side of glory that you see the butterfly effect of you standing up and all of the testimonies that your testimony has impacted.
00:45:21.460 And that's just what God does.
00:45:23.820 Um, and we're privileged to play our role in it, however he's called us.
00:45:28.360 So thank you so much.
00:45:29.940 Is there any way that people can support you or send you those notes of encouragement, share the arrows with you?
00:45:36.900 Yeah, I would love to hear from people.
00:45:39.240 I have a give, send, go set up and it's give, send, go, um, nurse underscore whistleblower.
00:45:44.820 And my personal email is on there.
00:45:47.880 I would love to hear from you, um, hear from people and, um, so appreciate all the prayers and all the support.
00:45:56.400 Good.
00:45:56.540 And you're going to be at the share the arrows event, right?
00:45:58.800 I think so.
00:45:59.640 Yes.
00:46:00.020 I think you are.
00:46:00.960 I need to register.
00:46:01.520 Your friend said that you would be, don't worry about it.
00:46:04.480 You don't need to register.
00:46:05.600 If you just send us your information, we'll get you a ticket.
00:46:08.520 We'd love to have you there.
00:46:09.700 Yeah.
00:46:09.860 Your friend, I know we talked about this already, but people don't know.
00:46:12.960 And of course we wanted you on the show anyway, cause I had heard your story, but your friend reached out on your behalf and she was so sweet.
00:46:18.500 And she was like, you have to have her on the show.
00:46:20.820 We got to share the arrows with her.
00:46:22.520 And I was like, 1000% we will have her on the show.
00:46:25.720 And yeah, I would love to have y'all at the event too.
00:46:27.980 But yeah, thank you again so much.
00:46:30.240 And thanks for taking the time to come on.
00:46:32.380 I really appreciate it.
00:46:33.200 Thanks for having me.