Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1030 ｜ Responding to Andy Stanley’s Message to Conservatives

00:00:00.000 And Andy Stanley calls out conservatives who say that the Democrat Party and Christianity cannot go hand in hand.

00:00:11.600 I have quite a thorough response to his comments in a recent sermon.

00:00:17.760 And also, we are going to look back at Pride Month and go into some taboo territory about the ideology that underpins this community.

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00:00:47.760 Hey, guys.

00:00:50.820 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:52.120 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:52.900 Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far.

00:00:55.060 If it sounds like my voice is about an octave lower than what it typically is, that is because I'm hoarse for some reason.

00:01:05.180 I don't really know why.

00:01:06.780 I don't feel sick.

00:01:07.920 I just have kind of lost my voice over the past couple of days.

00:01:12.720 So hopefully I will be able to get through this episode just fine.

00:01:16.560 But bear with me if I maybe have to talk a little bit slower or rely on producer Brie a little bit more.

00:01:22.820 I don't need to apologize for that, though.

00:01:24.760 Y'all love when I include Brie in the conversation.

00:01:27.940 Before we get into the topics that we're going to address today, just a couple things.

00:01:31.700 A reminder.

00:01:32.520 We've got no show tomorrow for July 4th.

00:01:35.220 I hope that you enjoy the day with your families.

00:01:38.140 I have always loved being an American.

00:01:41.500 I am so grateful to be an American.

00:01:44.420 And I am so grateful that I was not born anywhere else.

00:01:47.680 That's not to say other countries are bad or that being born in another country is some kind of misfortune.

00:01:56.220 But I think that we can all acknowledge that we who were born in the U.S.

00:02:01.440 have been afforded particular blessings for which we can be so incredibly grateful.

00:02:09.320 I love the foundation of this country.

00:02:11.920 I love the ideas upon which this country was founded.

00:02:15.840 I love so much of our history that really does make America exceptional.

00:02:22.040 I know that there has been a war against that idea that America is special,

00:02:29.400 that we have anything uniquely good about us or about our founding.

00:02:35.220 But that war really is so misguided.

00:02:40.380 There's also been a battle against this idea that we should put our country and the interests

00:02:47.440 and the well-being of our country first.

00:02:49.980 You've probably seen a lot of professing Christians fight against that idea, saying that it is arrogant,

00:02:55.980 that it is against the kingdom of God, that because the church of God includes people of all different kinds

00:03:02.480 of cultures and countries, that we should not put America first.

00:03:06.900 But let us just remember that God gave us countries.

00:03:10.220 He gave us borders.

00:03:11.600 He gave us governments.

00:03:12.780 He gave us laws.

00:03:14.440 The languages, the cultures, the differences that we have among people groups are not in and of themselves bad things.

00:03:25.080 They provide order in this life that we need to survive and thrive.

00:03:30.740 This idea of being a global citizen, of putting the interests and the needs of everyone everywhere at the same level.

00:03:39.860 It's just an impossibility that actually creates a lot of disorder, a lot of chaos.

00:03:45.160 That's why I'm against open-border liberal immigration policy, because it causes disorder.

00:03:52.820 It causes chaos.

00:03:54.160 It's actually not compassionate at all.

00:03:56.180 It harms the most vulnerable, the very people we say that we are trying to help when we open up the border.

00:04:02.680 And so I am unapologetically a Christian who is so thankful to be born in America and to say that, yes, I care about the well-being and the interests of the American people before the well-being and the interests of other countries.

00:04:24.100 Yes, all people are made in the image of God.

00:04:26.420 Yes, the kingdom of God is made up of all kinds of people.

00:04:29.700 And when we get to the other side of eternity, we will be linking arms with our brothers and sisters in Christ of all different skin colors and of all different kinds of backgrounds.

00:04:41.280 And that, above anything else, of course, is our highest allegiance, is our utmost citizenship, if you will, our greatest alliance.

00:04:51.940 Of course, of course, of course, that is true.

00:04:53.300 But here in this life, which matters because we are in a physical, temporal context right now that God has providentially placed us in, we have to care about the country, the state, the communities in which God has purposely put us.

00:05:11.100 We care about the interests and the needs of our fellow citizens because, again, God has placed us here, not arbitrarily, not accidentally, but on purpose.

00:05:28.020 You are on this tiny spot of the universe, this tiny speck of eternity right now for a reason.

00:05:35.280 So are your children and so are your children's children, just as Israel, as exiles. 1.00

00:05:41.040 In Jeremiah 29, we're tasked with making the world around them better, the community around them better while they were in exile.

00:05:50.340 So Christians who are exiles in this life are called to make the world around us better, to make it better than how we found it once we leave. 0.76

00:06:02.340 Part of that is absolutely politics.

00:06:05.040 Politics.

00:06:06.300 What do we always say?

00:06:07.200 Politics matter because policy matters, because people matter.

00:06:11.440 People matter to God, and therefore people matter to us.

00:06:16.160 And so just remember that as we hear this very vague, morally relativistic language from a lot of professing Christians, that we don't need to care about politics, that that's so-called empire or Christian nationalism, that we shouldn't involve ourselves at all, and that none of this really matters all that much because Jesus is coming back.

00:06:41.420 Jesus is absolutely coming back, praise God, but he's not here yet.

00:06:46.160 He's not here yet.

00:06:48.240 Okay?

00:06:48.860 We are here in this life.

00:06:51.020 We've got work to do.

00:06:53.700 And God is sovereign over all of it.

00:06:56.540 Political wins are not our number one priority because we know Jesus has the victory in the end.

00:07:02.500 But what are we tasked to do for his glory?

00:07:05.900 Doing the next right thing in excellence with faith and for the glory of God.

00:07:12.540 Doing the next right thing with faith and excellence and for the glory of God.

00:07:18.240 I kind of change up the preposition sometimes, but it's all the same spirit.

00:07:23.200 So all that to say, happy 4th of July.

00:07:27.180 There's a lot of good, bad, and ugly in America, but let's thank God for the good and celebrate our friends and our family and the freedom that we have to express our faith tomorrow and going into the weekend.

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00:07:44.100 Just FYI on that, we're taking a little bit of a break as a team, but we'll have a new episode Wednesday and Thursday of next week.

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00:10:01.660 All right.

00:10:14.020 I saw this clip going around on Acts of Andy Stanley talking about politics in a recent sermon.

00:10:21.280 We've talked about Andy Stanley several times.

00:10:23.240 I know many of you go to his church.

00:10:24.920 There are certainly a lot of people in my life that I love, that I respect so much, that go to Andy Stanley's church.

00:10:33.320 I am not trying to—I'm certainly not trying to attack you, and I'm not even trying to attack Andy Stanley.

00:10:39.740 Sorry, I just lost my voice a little bit.

00:10:41.520 I'm not trying to attack Andy Stanley.

00:10:43.740 When he says something publicly that seems pertinent to the things that we talk about on this show, I think it's really important to respond to it.

00:10:53.460 Look, he's got a ton of influence.

00:10:55.060 He's got a ton of influence in Atlanta.

00:10:56.940 He's got a ton of influence nationally.

00:10:59.160 He's one of the most popular pastors, speakers in the world, and understandably so.

00:11:05.800 The guy is one of the best, most articulate communicators in the game, in the world, I think.

00:11:14.620 And so I understand why he has, how he has grown the church that he has.

00:11:21.000 But in recent years, he has become more political.

00:11:23.580 He has become more outspoken about right, left, social justice.

00:11:29.960 He was outspoken in the COVID era.

00:11:31.840 He has also been very outspoken about how the church treats the quote-unquote LGBTQ community.

00:11:39.500 We'll include a couple past episodes that we've done in response to things that he has said that I think are just absolutely unbiblical and dead wrong.

00:11:48.520 And I want to do the same thing today.

00:11:51.840 I think it's really important to point out what I see as error in what he is saying here.

00:11:57.940 And so we've got two different clips from his sermon that we are going to play.

00:12:03.240 You can go listen to, watch the whole sermon, okay?

00:12:06.700 I would love for you to do that.

00:12:08.260 Our desire is never to take anything out of context, to misconstrue, to misrepresent anything anyone says.

00:12:14.360 That does not help me at all to do that.

00:12:17.820 I don't want to do that.

00:12:18.800 I, of course, have never been perfect in that.

00:12:21.540 There are times that I've gotten it wrong, but that is never my intent.

00:12:24.140 So I want you to go watch the entire sermon for the full context.

00:12:29.340 Nothing that we have pulled as a clip today is decontextualized in the sense that it is misrepresenting his entire point.

00:12:38.540 So just FYI there.

00:12:40.160 And just also, another FYI, a lot of you ask me, what does SOT mean when I say SOT 11, SOT 12, or whatever it is?

00:12:48.120 It's sound over tape.

00:12:49.200 And so that's just a term that people have used for a very long time to call for a clip.

00:12:58.100 And it just helps the people back there know exactly what clip I'm calling for rather than them trying to guess based on the context of what I'm saying.

00:13:05.740 So that to say, let's play SOT 11.

00:13:09.040 If I named the people who are saying these things, you've heard of most of them.

00:13:12.160 You've read some of their books.

00:13:13.520 That you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat. 0.62

00:13:16.840 You can't possibly be a true Christian if you're a Democrat, which is absolutely absurd.

00:13:26.140 But what's even more absurd is as conservative Christians, Republicans, demonize Democrats, all Democrats, and you can't possibly be a Christian, as they demonize Democrats,

00:13:38.860 they basically go against one of Jesus' primary teachings.

00:13:43.280 Instead of loving their enemies, all these lost Democrats, they demonize them.

00:13:48.280 Okay, I have no idea if he is talking about me or this show or who exactly he has talked about.

00:13:55.120 But I have seen some people say that I have said that, that I have said you can't be a Christian and be a Democrat.

00:14:03.080 What I have said many, many times very explicitly is that, of course, our partisan affiliation is not what gets us into heaven.

00:14:12.540 It's not what sends us to hell.

00:14:14.860 Jesus is not checking our voting records at the pearly gates.

00:14:19.720 Of course, I have never, ever said that.

00:14:23.380 And I have been very clear about that, that your political affiliation, praise God, is not salvific.

00:14:31.700 What I have said is that progressivism and Christianity are at every point at odds.

00:14:41.020 They're at odds.

00:14:42.260 Progressivism is its own opposing ideology and religion with its own theology, its own soteriology, its own eschatology.

00:14:57.000 And once you understand the roots of progressivism, the tenets of progressivism, the goals of progressivism, you begin to see that.

00:15:07.600 It's not just a subset of politics that Christians can choose from.

00:15:17.180 At least they can't choose from progressivism and be aligned with Scripture.

00:15:22.160 Now, that is not to say that every Republican policy is explicitly supported by the Bible or that Republicans are all the representatives of Christianity and sound Christian doctrine.

00:15:37.200 I have certainly never said that.

00:15:38.800 But I say that where Republicanism, where conservatism in America today gets it wrong is that they are not nearly conservative enough when it comes to things like marriage, when it comes to things like immigration, for example.

00:15:58.200 I actually think that they should be a lot more conservative, if that's even the adjective that you want to use on those issues.

00:16:05.140 The problem that I have with Republicans today is not that they are too far right, is not that they are too conservative.

00:16:12.600 It's that they are not conservative enough.

00:16:15.320 They are actually too liberal, I would say, and too squishy on most issues.

00:16:20.240 So I certainly don't think that Republicans are perfect, but typically what you hear from what I call like the mushy middle and evangelicalism is that, oh, Republicans and Democrats are both bad and Republicans are way too extreme on the right and Democrats are way too extreme on the left.

00:16:35.980 And we really need to be somewhere that's more independent, somewhere that's more centrist, somewhere that's more in the middle.

00:16:42.520 We should take some Democrat policies and take some Republican policies.

00:16:46.420 That is where Christians should be.

00:16:49.320 We should get out of this dichotomy, get out of this binary, take policies from both sides.

00:16:55.300 And, you know, Tim Keller, who I really respect and in a lot of ways and who I learned from a lot while he was alive, he talked about this a lot, that it seemed that that should be the Christian position, that kind of like third way of taking things from the right and the left.

00:17:14.980 Look, I also think Christians exist out of America's political binary of Republican and Democrat, but it's not because we should be in the middle of them, in my view.

00:17:26.840 It is actually because we are way more conservative, according to scripture, than the current Republican Party.

00:17:32.880 Of course, like we are going to have a staunch view on marriage and sexuality, even on things like freedom of worship, freedom of religion, maybe even on things like immigration that mainstream Republicans aren't going to have.

00:17:52.960 Now, is there room for good faith disagreement on some issues that are political in America today?

00:18:03.900 Yes, I do.

00:18:05.060 I think that there can be good faith disagreement on economic issues, even good faith disagreement on the right immigration policy.

00:18:15.160 I think that there can be some good faith disagreement on like what law enforcement looks like, in what ways the justice system functions.

00:18:26.600 Again, I would say those disagreements have a limited scope.

00:18:29.400 But I absolutely think that two Christians who believe that the Bible is inerrant and authoritative and should inform our worldview, should inform how we see political and social issues, can disagree in good faith on some of those things.

00:18:47.100 But some things Christians cannot, in good faith, disagree on.

00:18:51.800 We just can't.

00:18:53.000 We cannot, in good faith, disagree on abortion.

00:18:55.260 We cannot, in good faith, disagree on the definition of gender as male and female and the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.

00:19:06.220 These are Genesis 1 existential issues explicitly covered in Scripture and us advocating for the positions that God very clearly articulates in His Word.

00:19:18.740 Remember what God designs, He also defines.

00:19:23.420 It is not within our authority to define them either legally or not in any other way.

00:19:32.140 Advocating for those positions is not pushing a theocracy, as we've addressed many times.

00:19:38.300 And I'm not saying He's saying that, but just to kind of push back against what I know that some of you might be thinking out there.

00:19:45.640 It is simply to do what Christians have always done, that's one, but also to do what everyone else is doing.

00:19:52.540 Everyone brings their full belief system to the voting booth, to the school board meeting, to the curriculum writing, to their job, to their government position.

00:20:03.980 Secular progressives do that every day. 0.93

00:20:06.480 There are pseudo-religious tenets of what gender is and having some kind of gendered spirit that is different than your biology.

00:20:14.180 Their beliefs about even the climate and economics and the oppressed versus oppressor, many of those are not found in fact.

00:20:23.480 They're found in belief.

00:20:24.840 They're found in a faith that they have.

00:20:27.200 They bring the full scope of their faith to every part of the public sphere.

00:20:31.840 And yet Christian conservatives are told that we are the only ones that cannot do that or else we are theocratic fascists.

00:20:38.180 Again, that's not what Andy Stanley said here, but many people who kind of share the sentiment that he just shared say that kind of thing.

00:20:46.880 That, okay, we can believe these things personally as Christians, but we don't have to vote in accordance with what God's Word says about abortion or gender or marriage.

00:20:55.880 What?

00:20:56.200 Look, if you go to Genesis 1-1, which is possibly the most controversial verse in the Bible, that God created the heavens and the earth.

00:21:04.120 If God created it, he has the authority over all of it, not just this compartment over here, not just this compartment over there.

00:21:10.280 But all of it, Jesus is King, is a holistic, all-encompassing statement.

00:21:18.440 And we can still believe in the freedom of religion.

00:21:21.440 We can still believe in freedom of speech and bring our worldview, God's definitions, God's design into how we interact politically, how we engage politically.

00:21:34.360 Actually, we have to, because if we believe that God is good, then we believe that his design, that his definitions lead to human flourishing.

00:21:44.880 If God is love, as 1 John 4-8 says, then am I really being loving if I disagree with him, either privately or publicly, politically or personally, on the definition of marriage, on the definition of gender, on the dignity of life inside the womb?

00:22:02.680 Of course not.

00:22:03.640 The most loving thing we can do at all times, privately or publicly, personally or politically, is agree with God.

00:22:10.980 Is agree with God.

00:22:13.580 And on some very basic fundamental things, like, should the baby inside the womb have a legal right not to be murdered?

00:22:24.920 Christians cannot, in good faith, disagree with that.

00:22:28.160 And what I mean by that is, sure, you could have two people identifying as Christians who say, well, I'm politically pro-choice or I'm politically pro-life.

00:22:36.600 Of course, that is a physical possibility.

00:22:39.020 But the person who says, I'm politically pro-choice is wrong.

00:22:42.180 They're wrong.

00:22:44.080 They are in an unbiblical, anti-Christian position.

00:22:48.240 Now, can I say that that person is going to hell because of that?

00:22:51.800 That's not what I'm saying.

00:22:53.240 But I would say that that position probably speaks to a much deeper issue of their faith and of their understanding of the Word of God.

00:23:02.120 Same thing if someone says, yeah, you know, I think it's totally fine to call a man she. 0.85

00:23:08.580 I think it's fine if men are going into women's bathrooms and playing in girls' sports. 1.00

00:23:13.940 You know, I think that's okay.

00:23:15.340 We're just called to love.

00:23:16.880 I think it's totally fine to redefine marriage and cause an epidemic of fatherlessness and motherlessness in the name of tolerance and empathy.

00:23:26.320 And that person calls themselves a Christian, sure, it is possible for that person to call themselves a Christian and believe those things.

00:23:34.820 It is possible that they are on a road to sanctification, that they are really saved, but God hasn't gotten rid yet of those false beliefs that they hold.

00:23:45.840 But that person is wrong.

00:23:47.800 They're wrong.

00:23:48.740 Okay?

00:23:48.980 Like, we should be able to say that.

00:23:50.320 It's not this relativistic world in which the right and the left are equally wrong and Republicans and Democrats are equally bad.

00:23:57.560 No, that is a cop-out.

00:23:59.440 Okay?

00:23:59.860 That's a cop-out.

00:24:00.820 It's not that nuanced.

00:24:02.700 Some things are nuanced.

00:24:04.240 But so many people use this word nuanced as a cover for being confused.

00:24:11.180 If you're confused, just say that.

00:24:13.100 If you're ignorant of the issues, just say that.

00:24:16.180 It's not that nuanced, okay?

00:24:18.180 It's not so nuanced to the point to where you just pull yourself out of politics altogether and say, oh, well, it doesn't really matter.

00:24:24.280 That's how evil flourishes.

00:24:25.960 That is how evil has always flourished throughout history.

00:24:29.600 Think about our guest yesterday who spoke up so courageously against the transgender, quote-unquote, care happening to children on the taxpayer dime illegally in the state of Texas. 0.78

00:24:41.380 That is a Christian who has carried the 2,000-year Christian tradition of raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter.

00:24:51.400 And there are some Christians who would have called her divisive.

00:24:54.540 There are some Christians who I guarantee you, if she would have asked them, would have said, no, you know what? 0.71

00:24:59.500 Just be a quiet presence in your job.

00:25:03.780 No, no.

00:25:04.220 Just be winsome.

00:25:05.980 Just be nice to the people working with you, and somehow that'll finagle them into understanding the gospel one day.

00:25:14.900 It's okay because this is your professional life.

00:25:17.240 This is one compartment where you don't really need to invite the truth of God in.

00:25:21.760 It's fine.

00:25:23.320 Just be nice to those doctors that are prescribing cross-sex hormones to teenage boys and chemically castrating them.

00:25:31.560 But that's not the Christian tradition.

00:25:33.660 That's not the baton that has been given to us by the martyrs, by the Christians who have pushed back against the ideologies in power for years and years and years.

00:25:49.220 Both sides are not the same.

00:25:52.420 They're not equal.

00:25:54.700 And while I don't think it's right to say no Democrat is a Christian, I don't think that's right. 0.85

00:26:00.280 That's why I've never said that.

00:26:03.040 I also think that we can say unapologetically that a platform that holds to the belief that killing a baby through all nine months for any reason on the taxpayer dime is evil.

00:26:17.120 I think we can say unabashedly, unapologetically that the platform that believes that a man can become a woman, that a boy can become a girl, and vice versa, and is currently taking children out of their parents' custody when the parents don't go along with us.

00:26:40.240 I think we can say that the side that is allowing two men to buy eggs, to rent a uterus, to raise motherless children for the first time in history. 0.93

00:26:54.580 I think that we can say that that's evil.

00:26:56.960 The side that is encouraging, enabling, exacerbating lawlessness in the name of social justice by putting in place judges and prosecutors who will not enforce the law.

00:27:12.340 The side that is refusing to enforce immigration law, refusing to close the border, exacerbating child sex trafficking, and all kinds of preventable crimes.

00:27:26.800 I think we can say that's evil.

00:27:28.780 I think that's okay.

00:27:31.360 Let's not be so nuanced that we call evil good and good evil, or at the very least call evil neutral.

00:27:38.980 It's not.

00:27:40.900 All right.

00:27:41.580 We've got another clip to play from Andy Stanley.

00:27:43.960 I've got a lot to say.

00:27:57.580 All right.

00:27:58.340 Here is Saw 12.

00:28:00.400 You study history.

00:28:02.200 All that has to happen in any country is for a majority to decide a minority is evil.

00:28:07.880 And once they're evil, they're cockroaches and they're rats.

00:28:12.940 And once they're evil, the only thing to do with evil, you don't redeem evil.

00:28:16.640 You don't, you know, you don't share your faith with evil.

00:28:19.340 You get rid of evil.

00:28:21.200 That language is so extraordinarily harmful.

00:28:25.000 Okay.

00:28:26.840 The agenda, the platform is evil.

00:28:32.300 It is.

00:28:33.040 Also, Democrats are not a minority in this country, as he says in this clip.

00:28:40.880 Now, maybe he means a Christian to identify as Democrats are a minority in this country,

00:28:48.360 but Democrats are not a minority in this country.

00:28:52.100 They are, right now, a tyrannical majority, wielding nearly all institutional power.

00:29:01.020 And it is with the full force of their power that they routinely target, demonize, intimidate,

00:29:08.320 and silence those who don't go along with their agenda.

00:29:12.620 Refuse to bake the cake?

00:29:14.220 You get 10 plus years of lawfare against you and your family.

00:29:17.320 You'll remember Jack Phillips.

00:29:20.080 He politely declined to create a wedding cake celebrating same-sex so-called marriage in 2012.

00:29:26.360 The Colorado Civil Rights Commission found that Jack violated civil rights law.

00:29:31.260 His case went all the way to the Supreme Court.

00:29:34.660 It ruled in his favor in 2018.

00:29:37.840 But guess what?

00:29:38.460 Right now, he is still fighting harassment in court.

00:29:42.240 He has had several lawsuits come before him as the left is waging lawfare against him,

00:29:49.700 trying to get his business to be shut down because he will not make cakes celebrating a so-called gender transition.

00:29:56.860 He won't even make a cake celebrating Halloween.

00:30:00.560 That is how dedicated he is to his beliefs and using his artistic talent to glorify God as he sees fit.

00:30:08.520 And yet, the left has been after him for more than a decade,

00:30:12.780 trying to bring him to ruin simply because he held to his beliefs.

00:30:18.800 What happens when you, as a conservative Christian, blow the whistle on doctors,

00:30:24.460 illegally, chemically castrating children at the biggest hospital, children's hospital in the country?

00:30:30.160 The FBI shows up at your door.

00:30:33.360 Vanessa Sivich, the woman we had on yesterday, the nurse at Texans Children's Hospital,

00:30:38.520 she exposed the hospital for using Medicaid to fund cross-sex treatments and performing so-called

00:30:45.500 gender-affirming procedures, contrary to Texas law.

00:30:51.460 FBI showed up at her door, told her that she wasn't safe unless she went along with their investigation

00:31:00.880 to expose the original whistleblower of what was going on at Texas Children's.

00:31:06.400 What happens when you're a pro-lifer who stands in front of the entrance of a clinic where babies are murdered?

00:31:13.380 You get prison time.

00:31:15.460 The Biden DOJ recently charged and sentenced 10 people, including a grandmother,

00:31:20.840 a 70-plus-year-old grandmother in poor health,

00:31:24.520 for federal conspiracy against rights and freedom of access to clinic entrances that's known as the FACE Act,

00:31:33.260 for peacefully standing in front of the entrance of a clinic where babies are being murdered.

00:31:41.000 They are in prison for that under the Biden DOJ.

00:31:44.840 What happens when you confront the local school board about boys assaulting girls in girls' bathrooms?

00:31:52.200 The Department of Justice under Joe Biden labels you a terrorist.

00:31:56.480 You'll remember that.

00:31:57.400 In October 2021, Attorney General Merrick Garland wrote a memorandum directing the FBI and U.S.

00:32:04.360 attorneys' offices to investigate a quote-unquote disturbing trend of alleged harassment and threats to school boards.

00:32:11.600 This was by the direction of a teacher's union who said that their school board members were being harangued and harassed by parents

00:32:24.020 who were simply articulating their concerns about boys in girls' bathrooms

00:32:28.840 and the straight-up pornography that was in their children's classrooms.

00:32:33.840 If you, as a conservative Christian or even just concerned parent, you sound the alarm on that,

00:32:40.880 you are labeled by the Department of Justice a terrorist.

00:32:44.660 What happens when you offer pregnant women free resources and information about adoption? 0.60

00:32:50.820 Your clinic gets firebombed.

00:32:53.340 Remember that?

00:32:54.280 After the Dobbs decision was released, when Roe v. Wade was overturned,

00:32:58.180 between May and October of 2022, more than 100 crisis pregnancy centers, pro-life organizations,

00:33:04.960 and pro-life churches were attacked, some more than once.

00:33:09.560 Following the leak of the Dobbs decision, at least 38 churches and 58 pro-life clinics across the country

00:33:17.400 have been firebombed, smashed, ransacked, or vandalized with pro-abortion graffiti and threatening messages.

00:33:26.400 What happens when you refuse to get an experimental vaccine that violates your conscience?

00:33:34.720 No kidney transplant for you.

00:33:37.100 Do you remember the parents of Yulia Hicks?

00:33:40.480 She was a 14-year-old.

00:33:41.800 Her parents came on this podcast.

00:33:45.260 They didn't want their daughter to get the COVID vaccine,

00:33:49.160 and so she was refused by Duke University Hospital a life-saving kidney transplant.

00:33:56.400 Also, Leilani Lutali, she was also denied a kidney transplant by Colorado Health System

00:34:00.940 because she refused to get the vaccine for religious reasons.

00:34:06.820 That was October 2021.

00:34:10.440 What happens when you as a parent, as we've already noted,

00:34:14.060 we've had several of these parents on this podcast,

00:34:17.040 when you as a parent disagree?

00:34:18.980 When your child says,

00:34:21.580 yeah, I know that I was born Sally, but I want to be Jack.

00:34:26.180 I want to go on testosterone.

00:34:28.220 I want to get my healthy breasts cut off. 1.00

00:34:31.620 What happens to you, Christian conservative parent?

00:34:35.060 The state shows up at your door and takes your child away.

00:34:39.860 Same thing happened to Yaley Martinez in California.

00:34:42.960 You know what happened to Yaley after the state took custody of her

00:34:47.320 when she decided that she wanted to be a boy and her mom wouldn't go along with it?

00:34:51.580 She committed suicide.

00:34:55.680 Conservative Christians are routinely met with the most vile name-calling and threats you can imagine.

00:35:03.660 We are routinely depicted by the media as stupid and selfish,

00:35:10.180 as killers of grandma because many Christian conservatives didn't believe in the constitutionality

00:35:23.100 or the science behind mask mandates or vaccine mandates.

00:35:28.480 We're routinely accused of being a terroristic threat

00:35:32.220 and the sole obstacle standing in the way of the survival of democracy.

00:35:38.940 We were, especially during the Trump era,

00:35:42.660 routinely called Nazi racists.

00:35:45.840 So don't give me this nonsense about Democrats

00:35:50.180 whose agenda is, again, objectively evil,

00:35:56.720 being the victims.

00:35:58.960 Don't do it.

00:36:00.460 I'm not buying it.

00:36:03.280 Who is routinely castigated,

00:36:07.300 criticized, and condemned,

00:36:09.340 and belittled?

00:36:11.320 Told that we are just panicking,

00:36:13.680 we're spreading division and fear and paranoia about things?

00:36:17.880 Oh no, the legalization of gay marriage, 1.00

00:36:20.720 is it going to lead to other kinds of depravity and debauchery?

00:36:24.980 Of course not.

00:36:26.360 That's just a slippery slope.

00:36:28.840 Fallacy.

00:36:29.920 Sounds like more people should have listened to Christian conservatives then.

00:36:35.060 Maybe more people should be listening to us now.

00:36:38.160 All right.

00:36:40.320 On that note, let's see just how far our country has slipped

00:36:46.000 since we have accepted sexual depravity and sexual immorality

00:36:51.920 as not just the norm,

00:36:53.300 but a thing that is worth celebrating and glorifying and even unfortunately and very disturbingly

00:37:01.080 including children in.

00:37:03.800 So Pride Month is over.

00:37:06.060 Thank the Lord.

00:37:07.480 Pride Month is over.

00:37:09.020 But I want to talk about some things that are really taboo.

00:37:12.720 that, you know, we've obviously talked about what the Bible's got to say about sexual immorality,

00:37:18.360 the definition of marriage, the definition of gender.

00:37:20.660 Many times no one could ever accuse this show of being cowardly

00:37:25.320 or trying to soften the truth at all when it comes to that.

00:37:31.400 All glory to God, by the way, for any honesty that anything that is true that has ever been

00:37:39.880 shared on this show.

00:37:41.580 But there is some territory that we haven't really gone into before.

00:37:48.360 And, you know, I think some of the best insight that I've gotten into any lifestyle

00:37:53.700 that glorifies sexual promiscuity or sexual immorality is from Beckett Cook,

00:37:59.560 from Christopher Yuan, because they are people who have now become Christians

00:38:05.320 and have repented of the sin of homosexuality.

00:38:08.800 But they did live that life for a long time and they know exactly what it is like.

00:38:15.460 And it is taboo, even among conservative Christians, to say some of the things that

00:38:20.160 they have said.

00:38:22.000 And I think it's I think it's important.

00:38:24.080 I think it's important to highlight what, for example, Beckett Cook has said,

00:38:28.800 that when he was living as a gay man in the on the gay scene, if you will,

00:38:36.320 he has said that that life, for the most part, for the most part, centered itself on sex and

00:38:46.400 drugs, on sex and drugs and lust and partying and promiscuity, that the moral limits are very

00:38:56.240 blurred.

00:38:56.620 I think we think of modern family and we think, well, that's, you know, that's exactly what it's

00:39:04.460 like.

00:39:05.520 And they are two people who essentially have the same, you know, sexual values that we do.

00:39:12.900 They just have a different orientation.

00:39:15.720 And while that may be true, sometimes I don't think that is generally characteristic of of

00:39:24.820 what the LGBTQ lifestyle entails, honestly.

00:39:31.380 And if we look at some of the pride parades that occurred over the past month, I think that

00:39:38.100 we see that very obviously.

00:39:40.280 Now, I do think that pride was more subdued this year.

00:39:45.520 There could be a variety of reasons for that.

00:39:47.780 We explored it on a previous episode.

00:39:50.200 I think it's a good thing.

00:39:51.740 But the debauchery that happens at pride parades is still on display.

00:39:56.780 And I think it's just important to think about, like, are there any pride parades that you've

00:40:02.320 either attended, I've never attended one, or that you've ever seen footage from that is

00:40:07.740 just a normal parade, like other people have, celebrating other kinds of things.

00:40:13.060 Every single pride parade that I have seen, I'm not just talking about from conservative

00:40:18.360 reporters.

00:40:18.940 I'm talking about from, like, you know, Scott Wiener, who is that state senator in California.

00:40:25.640 Like, when a leftist posts his participation in a pride parade, what you see is very dark and 0.95

00:40:34.120 disturbing and blatant sexuality.

00:40:38.160 Like, at the very least, you have almost nude men in BDSM gear.

00:40:45.160 Every little bit of pride footage that I've seen has some kind of blatant, outright sexuality

00:40:53.220 with sexual paraphernalia and weird, disturbing interaction with child participants.

00:41:01.700 If it really was, if pride was really just about love, which is what we hear, that it's really

00:41:06.660 just about love, then you would think that the parades would just be like your 4th of July

00:41:12.620 parade or a parade celebrating homecoming or anything else with some rainbow face paint 0.99

00:41:19.060 and some rainbow flags.

00:41:21.120 If you want people to think that your movement is about love, then maybe your most prominent

00:41:28.420 celebrations should not be demonstrations of pure lust, because that's what these pride

00:41:36.320 parades are.

00:41:37.200 They are celebrations of pure lust, of a kind of depravity and immorality that really should.

00:41:46.660 They should make us sad.

00:41:47.760 They should break our hearts, because these are people made in the image of God that are

00:41:52.260 pursuing a lifestyle that harms them physically.

00:41:55.480 Like, that's something that's taboo to say, but harms them physically.

00:41:59.820 It's not supposed to work that way, but also harms them spiritually and mentally and emotionally

00:42:05.920 too.

00:42:07.300 And so we're going to look at some of this in a second, and then I'm going to talk about

00:42:10.900 a tweet that I saw that kind of went viral, really going into some taboo territory.

00:42:17.320 Uh, so Taylor Hanson, he is a journalist for Senate Media, or Tenet Media, and Savannah

00:42:23.680 Hernandez, a journalist for Turning Point USA and Postmillennial.

00:42:27.220 They were in San Francisco to cover a recent pride event there.

00:42:31.380 Uh, Hanson report, we're not going to play all of the clips, by the way.

00:42:34.720 We are not.

00:42:35.800 Uh, Hanson reported that there were naked men marching in the parade, uh, along with law

00:42:42.180 enforcement agencies like the San Francisco Police Department, the ATF, and the FBI.

00:42:46.380 Uh, multiple school districts, and the Boy Scouts of America marched in the parade right past

00:42:52.640 the fully naked men. 0.54

00:42:54.020 Okay?

00:42:54.300 I'm not even talking about, like, men in bikinis, which is disturbing in and of itself. 0.90

00:42:59.620 I'm talking about full frontal, fully naked men, um, right alongside children. 0.68

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00:43:24.380 So we obviously blurred everything there, and so you can't see anything, but you get

00:43:28.120 the idea.

00:43:28.580 There are children there, and then there are naked men.

00:43:31.380 And let me just tell you, the clips, the clips that he posted on Axe were about a thousand

00:43:38.380 times, one thousand times, even worse than that, if you can imagine.

00:43:44.100 He also confronted a naked guy and asked him, I'm not even going to play the clip, but he

00:43:50.200 asked him, like, do you think it's okay to be naked in front of kids?

00:43:53.580 Like, you wave to the Boy Scouts?

00:43:56.840 Like, is that not weird?

00:43:58.100 And he was like, ah, hey, you're not doing anything.

00:44:00.540 It's not necessarily sexual.

00:44:02.340 They were just there.

00:44:03.480 I was just, you know, interacting with them.

00:44:06.540 Um, I, again, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna play this clip, but just the disgustingness

00:44:15.520 that was going on there.

00:44:17.160 Taylor and Savannah came across the fetish zone, uh, where a man, this is, I, I, again,

00:44:24.720 I think it's just important to know, like, what goes on at these things when we have this,

00:44:29.660 like, like rainbow colored glasses on, uh, we need to take them off and we need to see

00:44:36.060 like what is actually happening at these parades.

00:44:38.260 I'm not saying this is characteristic of every single person who identifies as gay.

00:44:41.900 I'm not saying that, but at their most prominent celebrations, this is what's going on, not

00:44:46.100 just in San Francisco, but across the country.

00:44:48.560 Sadly, this is not the first time that I've seen this reported, but in this fetish zone,

00:44:52.300 there is a pool like kiddie pools where these men, uh, are laying it and they are waiting

00:44:59.360 for other men, very disturbing for other men to come along and pee on them, to pee on them.

00:45:06.680 So they are in these kiddie pools filled with urine because that is a fetish that they have.

00:45:13.520 Guys, when we go outside of the bounds of what God calls holy sexuality, which is one man, 0.51

00:45:19.700 one woman in the context of marriage, anytime we go outside of those bounds, no matter what

00:45:24.820 it is, you are going to find the worst, most disgusting acts of perverseness that you've

00:45:34.600 ever seen.

00:45:35.160 God designed and created the parameters, the definition of marriage to protect us.

00:45:40.160 That doesn't mean that everyone who goes outside of those parameters will go to the limits

00:45:44.280 like this.

00:45:45.680 But after you get outside of their parameters, there really are no objective limits.

00:45:50.460 It's all really just arbitrary based on tradition, based on culture, based on your own personal

00:45:55.580 desires.

00:45:56.640 But I also don't want it to sound like, like I am saying that, um, sex outside of marriage

00:46:02.700 between a man and a woman is the same as what we're seeing here. 0.52

00:46:06.000 Yes, they are both sin, according to God's word.

00:46:08.180 They're both sexual immorality.

00:46:09.680 They can both harm the body and harm the heart.

00:46:12.020 They are not in accordance with God's design, but homosexuality is uniquely disordered. 1.00

00:46:17.960 Because in Romans 1, we see that homosexuality is exchanging the natural desire that men have 0.97

00:46:25.300 for women and women have for men for an unnatural, disordered desire for people of the same sex.

00:46:33.120 And when you see something that is unnatural and disordered, you will see, I think, more

00:46:39.980 intense forms of depravity and perverseness.

00:46:44.100 That's why we see the things that we do, things like this at pride parades.

00:46:49.880 And if you want to be mad at me for pointing this out, for talking about this, saying that

00:46:56.800 I am the one putting all of these people in the same bucket, don't get mad at me for talking

00:47:02.800 about it.

00:47:03.580 Get mad at them for doing it.

00:47:05.560 Okay?

00:47:05.840 If you don't want to be placed in that bucket, in that category, I get that.

00:47:10.460 Like, I wouldn't want to either.

00:47:12.000 And I'm not saying that I am putting you in that same category.

00:47:15.880 But you should be more disgusted and angrier that that is happening, that that is happening

00:47:21.200 again at your most prominent celebrations, than you should be mad at me for talking about

00:47:26.680 it.

00:47:27.120 Now, Taylor Hanson spoke to San Francisco police officers saying, like, how is this

00:47:31.620 allowed?

00:47:32.140 Like, you're allowing these naked men to be in front of kids.

00:47:35.040 San Francisco police officers said, well, as long as they're not doing anything, as long

00:47:40.320 as they're not, I'm just going to say it, like, as long as they're not masturbating, then

00:47:44.180 apparently it's fine.

00:47:46.480 Police officers also told him there's different perimeters.

00:47:50.240 I don't know if they meant parameters for that event.

00:47:53.200 And or maybe they literally meant perimeter.

00:47:55.460 I don't know that it was pick your battle day.

00:48:00.120 Yikes.

00:48:01.100 Let's pick this one.

00:48:02.460 I don't know.

00:48:03.280 Maybe this is the one to pick.

00:48:06.280 They said it was not on.

00:48:07.940 It was fenced off on public property.

00:48:10.360 And so they couldn't do anything about it.

00:48:14.060 I'm I don't really know.

00:48:16.080 Here's the same thing basically going on in Seattle at top four.

00:48:20.740 Seattle furry community is a diverse group of people from all cultures and genders focusing

00:48:27.700 on art, self-expression, costuming and togetherness.

00:48:33.320 Seattle furry.

00:48:34.160 Seattle furry.

00:48:37.440 Is that what that ended with?

00:48:39.620 Yes, it is.

00:48:41.080 OK.

00:48:41.880 Yeah.

00:48:42.260 The furry community.

00:48:43.460 Yes.

00:48:43.840 And please, please just make sure if if your child teenager is into furries, it's not just

00:48:52.080 stuffed animals.

00:48:52.640 OK, there is.

00:48:54.260 It might not all be sexually perverse, but a large portion of it seems seems to be.

00:49:00.700 Again, there are kids there.

00:49:02.400 Those were men riding around naked in a parade.

00:49:05.060 Again, a parade about love, a parade about inclusion and togetherness.

00:49:10.600 Why do men have to be naked? 0.91

00:49:12.820 Why do they have to be naked? 1.00

00:49:14.380 Why do there have to be sex toys being sold? 1.00

00:49:17.020 Why did there why does there have to be actual sex being had publicly in these parades? 0.98

00:49:23.580 Um, I don't think I'm going to play this because it's a little long, but there's also a clip

00:49:28.720 of Megan Rapinoe, the U.S.

00:49:30.680 soccer player, and she was riding in a in a car and, you know, celebrating pride.

00:49:37.020 And a reporter came up to her and said, um, well, you lost against 15 year old boys like

00:49:45.120 your U.S.

00:49:45.700 soccer team lost against 15 year old boys a few years ago.

00:49:48.860 Why do you think it's okay for men to be competing against women and for boys to be 0.98

00:49:52.520 competing against girls?

00:49:54.420 I mean, you lost to them.

00:49:55.620 Of course, she didn't answer that, but that's, uh, that's good.

00:49:59.220 The event also featured a brick throwing booth.

00:50:01.960 So again, just totally stable people here where participants could throw bricks at a picture

00:50:06.920 of former president Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Supreme Court justice, Clarence Thomas.

00:50:11.280 But somehow that's not racist.

00:50:13.340 Somehow it's not racist when they literally throw bricks at a guy who grew up in the segregated

00:50:19.260 South as a black person.

00:50:22.940 But if we even like say, well, I don't think Nicole Hannah Jones is the sharpest tool in

00:50:30.560 the shed.

00:50:31.060 Oh my gosh, you white supremacist.

00:50:33.500 Uh, Samuel Alito, you could also throw a brick at them.

00:50:36.420 I guarantee you, I guarantee you this would have been funny if you had asked the vast majority

00:50:42.360 or if you had asked the participants who they were throwing a brick at when they were throwing

00:50:46.920 a brick at Samuel Alito.

00:50:48.320 What's his name?

00:50:49.740 Yeah.

00:50:49.940 What's that fellow's name that you're throwing a brick at?

00:50:51.940 I guarantee you 99% of them could not have told you along with Texas Senator Ted Cruz throwing

00:50:57.740 a brick at their picture.

00:50:59.220 Wow.

00:50:59.580 So loving.

00:51:00.980 I love that.

00:51:02.140 Um, Toronto pride parade, a man in a leather thong approaches kids.

00:51:08.020 Sot six.

00:51:12.360 No moral limits, no sexual limits.

00:51:25.520 Um, sorry.

00:51:26.240 There's like, if you're watching this and I'm like waving, it's because there's a

00:51:29.240 knot in here for some, for some reason.

00:51:32.100 Um, no, no limits, no limits.

00:51:36.560 Um, and again, I just ask, like, I'm curious, you can tell me in the comments on YouTube,

00:51:40.640 has anyone ever been to a pride event in recent years where no sexuality, nudity, BDSM were

00:51:46.960 involved because even the family friendly, their advertisers, family friendly, come on,

00:51:52.360 come on, bring your kids. 1.00

00:51:54.360 Uh, even those events that I've seen footage of at the very least have fat men in bondage

00:51:58.620 gear or drag queens twerking. 0.98

00:52:01.400 And let me just say, let me just say, if you are a parent bringing your kid to a thing like

00:52:08.480 this, what the H-E double hockey sticks is wrong with you?

00:52:12.660 What is wrong with you?

00:52:14.800 That is a dereliction of duty.

00:52:17.040 As a parent, you are supposed to protect your child.

00:52:19.900 You are supposed to steward their heart and mind.

00:52:23.020 And this is going to move us.

00:52:24.740 What I'm about to say is going to move us into the, uh, to the next part of this conversation.

00:52:29.240 Um, and then we're going to close out because I know that we're already going a little long

00:52:34.240 today, but I think, and I'd be interested to see if there's data to support this.

00:52:40.160 I think that there is probably a connection between how early a child is introduced to

00:52:48.580 inappropriate sexual themes and sexual content.

00:52:52.460 And that child being sexually and gender confused later on in life.

00:53:01.180 I bet the earlier they are introduced to sexuality, the more likely they are to be very confused

00:53:11.380 about their attractions, about their identity, uh, in their teenage and adult years.

00:53:19.060 We already know that there, uh, seems to be a big crossover between people who were sexually

00:53:25.680 abused and people who saw pornography at an early age and those who at least are confused

00:53:34.020 about, uh, their gender.

00:53:37.140 And so I, I just don't think that's a coincidence that I saw this tweet from someone who himself

00:53:42.520 identifies as gay.

00:53:43.760 I've even seen him say that he identifies as transgender and he is in a relationship with

00:53:50.760 a man.

00:53:51.180 I'm not sure if it's, um, I'm not sure if they've had a wedding, but he is in a long-term

00:53:56.700 relationship with a man and he's conservative in many ways.

00:54:00.100 And he said the quiet part out loud that you're really not allowed to talk about, uh, when it

00:54:06.400 comes to this, and I'm going to read you his tweet in a second and discuss.

00:54:21.700 So this is from Chad Felix Green on X.

00:54:24.740 He said, and this is, again, this is explicit.

00:54:28.160 He said, every man I had sex with when I was 14 knew beforehand I was 14.

00:54:34.080 LGBTQ culture has no socially imposed boundaries on it.

00:54:38.800 They don't police themselves.

00:54:40.660 They are too consumed with protecting their political causes and shaming right-wing bigots.

00:54:46.060 Teen sex work is the norm in LGBTQ centers. 1.00

00:54:49.880 Trans icons glamorize being prostitutes as teens, and it's viewed as a rite of passage. 1.00

00:54:55.640 13 to 17 year olds are a high HIV risk group in this crowd.

00:55:00.280 Progressives view children as sexual beings and independent from their parents.

00:55:06.160 This is a culture, one protected from scrutiny.

00:55:09.180 Again, this person is gay. 0.99

00:55:11.700 He's in a gay relationship right now.

00:55:13.720 This person is not a Christian.

00:55:15.300 He's not saying this from a Christian perspective.

00:55:17.580 He's just saying what he has seen to be true.

00:55:21.380 By the way, not that I follow Milo Yiannopoulos, but a few years ago, he said the same thing.

00:55:28.400 And I mean, he was silenced so quick.

00:55:31.580 He said that he said the same thing as a gay man, that he was basically groomed as a teenager.

00:55:36.320 And he said that that's normal for gay men.

00:55:39.200 I think that's something a lot of people know but don't want to talk about, that pederasty

00:55:44.320 is pretty common in this crowd.

00:55:49.260 Now, is that to say that it only happens in this part of the world?

00:55:53.960 Absolutely not.

00:55:55.260 We just got done talking about an evangelical pastor last week that preyed upon a 12-year-old

00:56:01.740 girl and was allowed to remain in leadership for 40-plus years.

00:56:05.620 I'm not afraid to call that out or to call it out wherever it exists.

00:56:09.620 But the point is, is that this group is very often shielded from scrutiny.

00:56:14.920 That we are not allowed to say that one form of sexual depravity usually leads to other

00:56:20.600 forms of sexual depravity, too.

00:56:23.540 His thread goes on to say, in gay male culture, it's viewed as a kind of social acceptance and

00:56:27.460 kindness.

00:56:27.980 Older men took in teenage runaways, like Harvey Milk, by the way, treating them as adults.

00:56:34.060 Many left-wing gay men recall these first encounters fondly and see themselves as welcoming the next

00:56:38.520 generation in a sex-positive environment.

00:56:41.480 He says, in previous generations, when a teenage boy ventured out to cruising areas or gay

00:56:46.840 bars, this was how he found himself in his new community, ostracized from normal society,

00:56:51.380 they'll argue.

00:56:52.240 It's become tradition.

00:56:53.560 As left-wing progressivism has advanced, quote-unquote, sex positive is the new norm.

00:56:58.300 For queer activists, sex is an expression of resistance and social rebellion.

00:57:03.220 Left-wing psychology has fully embraced the sexual child, the autonomy of teenagers.

00:57:08.220 Gay male culture is built on youth, sex, and older men as daddies to sons. 1.00

00:57:15.480 Yikes.

00:57:17.320 Trans and drag culture have houses and families with older men as mothers who take in teens 0.85

00:57:22.620 in exchange for prostitution. 1.00

00:57:24.820 The young boys bring in money, and these houses compete against each other in drag events,

00:57:29.700 etc.

00:57:30.320 It is fueled by drugs and sex work.

00:57:33.320 Many trans icons recall their time as teenage prostitutes and the men who taught them with

00:57:39.640 fondness, passing on their knowledge and experience to the next generation, all under a cultural 0.90

00:57:44.820 idea that young LGBTQ kids will always be rejected at home, run away, and need a new family.

00:57:52.280 Um, he goes on to talk about gay movies, TV shows, how you even see it in that.

00:58:01.000 He says, this is why genderqueer and this book is gay are so overtly sexual and adult.

00:58:06.900 He says it comes part and parcel with this ideology, with the so-called orientation, with this belief system.

00:58:12.480 The entire culture views children as tiny adults, capable of adult sexual expression and autonomy.

00:58:18.020 I mean, this goes all the way back to Alfred Kinsey.

00:58:21.960 I mean, it goes back further than that.

00:58:23.780 Like, if you look at homosexuality in ancient Rome, I remember reading in Bill O'Reilly's book,

00:58:30.080 Killing Jesus, what many of the leaders at the time, how they exploited young boys in their home.

00:58:38.160 This was normalized then.

00:58:40.420 You know what put an end to that real fast?

00:58:42.480 Christians saying, nah, no, no, no. 0.98

00:58:47.460 Children are not going to be used for exploitation.

00:58:49.980 Didn't just end it in ancient Rome, by the way.

00:58:52.500 Children, uh, Christians, rather, in San Francisco at the beginning of the 1900s,

00:58:58.740 when they came in to help the city recover from a flood,

00:59:02.820 they also put an end to, uh, the homosexuality that was flourishing there, 0.99

00:59:09.300 at least for a period of time, while they enjoyed so much influence, uh, and leadership.

00:59:14.380 This is what Christians are supposed to do. 0.98

00:59:16.140 We are supposed to be agents of order, agents of human flourishing.

00:59:21.000 We are supposed to say, yeah, this behavior is bad and harmful and exploitative.

00:59:24.500 There is a better way, and it's God's design.

00:59:27.120 He goes on to say, left-wing LGBTQ sees nothing wrong with adults engaging in explicit sex with minors 0.88

00:59:33.680 because they see it as empowering and positive.

00:59:35.960 He said, I sought comfort and understanding from older men hoping to figure out my feelings,

00:59:39.800 but they wanted sex, he says.

00:59:42.420 He says, I traded sex for a moment of affection in the hopes of friendship.

00:59:45.720 Some boys my age went to the gay bar and became part of drag culture, drugs, or prostitution.

00:59:49.740 One man told me years later he found my eagerness and youth irresistible.

00:59:53.640 It's so common.

00:59:56.040 Most TV shows featuring a teenage gay boy will have a scene where he meets a strange man for

01:00:00.540 anonymous sex.

01:00:02.240 He says, it's not a stereotype or right-wing Christian spreading homophobic tropes.

01:00:05.980 It's part of how LGBTQ culture expresses itself.

01:00:11.280 So he has a lot more to say in this thread.

01:00:13.460 We won't read the whole thing, but he says,

01:00:17.140 the most powerful thing the LGBTQ community could do in the name of protecting LGBTQ youth

01:00:23.860 would be demanding gay men take responsibility and stop all sexual engagement with minors. 0.89

01:00:30.880 But he says they won't even admit it's a problem to begin with and will simply claim it is anti-LGBTQ hate.

01:00:39.520 And just remember, for all people, no matter who you are attracted to,

01:00:49.200 God's ways are better.

01:00:51.420 One man, one woman, the context of marriage. 0.71

01:00:54.900 You are protected from heartbreak.

01:00:57.120 You are protected from STDs.

01:00:59.140 You are protected from predation.

01:01:01.200 God knew what he was doing when he created male and female in marriage. 0.53

01:01:05.340 He knew that kids needed a mother and a father.

01:01:07.360 He knew that women and children were protected by the institution of family and marriage.

01:01:13.060 God's moral limits are best.

01:01:15.060 They lead to individual flourishing.

01:01:16.720 They lead to societal flourishing.

01:01:19.520 Christians have got to be braver in standing up and saying, 0.87

01:01:22.540 no, that is wrong.

01:01:24.720 That is wrong.

01:01:25.500 We cannot be blinded by toxic empathy that refuses to see things as they are.

01:01:31.860 So let us not allow this to be taboo anymore.

01:01:34.600 Yes, love your neighbor.

01:01:35.540 Every single person is made in the image of God.

01:01:38.000 No one is too far gone.

01:01:39.900 We have all fallen short of the glory of God, and we need his grace as a gift to be redeemed.

01:01:48.520 But let that not make us cowardly in speaking out against that which is evil.

01:01:54.140 Let us always be ambassadors of that which is good, right, and true.

01:01:59.200 All right.

01:01:59.960 That's all we've got time for today.

01:02:01.380 And like I said, no new episodes coming up until next Tuesday.

01:02:06.500 Some replays coming up.

01:02:07.880 We will be back with a brand new episode next Wednesday.

01:02:10.940 Have a wonderful 4th of July and a safe, happy weekend.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 03, 2024

Ep 1030 ｜ Responding to Andy Stanley’s Message to Conservatives

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