Ep 1032 ｜ Project 2025： Truth vs. Lies
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Project 2025, what is it and why is your liberal aunt freaking out about it on Facebook? We are going to break it down today, give all of the fact checks, and just take a deep, calming breath about the crazy fear mongering around this project.
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Project 2025, what is it and why is your liberal aunt freaking out about it on Facebook? We are
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going to break it down today, give you all of the fact checks and just take a deep calming breath
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about the crazy fear mongering around this project. This episode is brought to you by our
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. All right. We are finally talking about Project
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2025. I don't think I have ever gotten as many messages about one subject as I have about Project
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2025. And there are so many details to this because this is a huge document. You're hearing
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a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and we are going to do our best to get into all of that.
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We probably won't be able to get into every piece of it today just because it is so much. This will
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probably be an ongoing conversation as we get closer to the election because now the left has
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kind of found their hook. They found their thing that they are going to use to try to convince you
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that Trump is going to become this theocratic dictator as soon as he takes office. They know
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that they can't hoist up Joe Biden as this awesome candidate, this defender of democracy. So they've got
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to make Trump look as bad as humanly possible. And since Trump is starting to moderate on some things,
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as we will discuss later in the episode, they really need to make him look like this far-right
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so-called fascist figure. And they are doing that through Project 2025. So what is it? Who wrote it?
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What are people saying about it? Are they right? Are they wrong? We will get into that.
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And today we will have someone helping me with all of this. And that is our new associate producer,
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and her name is Jessica. So I just wanted to introduce Jessica. Jessica is waving if you are
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watching this on YouTube. And I will throw to her probably a few times throughout this because
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she has done a deep dive on Project 2025. We will not even get to everything she knows about it today
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because she has been studying this for quite a while. And so she will be our reference not just today,
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but probably in all the upcoming episodes that we will have about Project 2025. So when I have a
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question or I need clarity on something, we will be throwing to our new associate producer, Jessica.
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All right, let's get into it. You have been seeing every MSNBC commentator, every liberal influencer,
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your left-wing Biden-loving crazy aunt posting on Facebook about Project 2025 and how absolutely
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terrible it is. Now, I first heard about Project 2025, I think a couple years ago. Maybe it was more
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recent than that. Maybe it was about a year ago. And how I heard it was it was a set of policy proposals
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put forth or an agenda that was written compiled by the Heritage Foundation, which is a conservative
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think tank. It is now run by Kevin Roberts. He used to be the head of Texas Public Policy Institute,
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and he is very conservative, has taken the Heritage Foundation in what I think is a very positive and
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more conservative direction, and that he basically helped compile this agenda for the next Republican
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president. And at the time, of course, they didn't know that Donald Trump was going to be the nominee
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when they were bringing this together. And it was really talked about on the right as this very
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positive thing, just a group of conservative thinkers coming together to kind of list some Republican
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conservative priorities. It's only been over the last few months, and in particular, the last couple
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weeks that I've seen it talked about so feverishly and so much, everyone freaking out about it.
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And my first thought was, wait, is this the same thing? Is this the same thing that I heard about
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a year ago or two years ago that really wasn't seen as a threat at all? It was kind of even pie-in-the-sky
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idealist, according to some people on the left and even some people on the right. I really never heard
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it talked about as some big existential threat. And now we are hearing about it as basically the modern
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day Mein Kampf. I'm not kidding you. Here is SOT3, an MSNBC commentator talking about how scary Project
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2025 is. Because Project 2025 is the GOP's version of Mein Kampf. The difference is Mein Kampf is only
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700 pages. Project 2025 is 900 pages. It's a control of all of our lives. And this report is now putting
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that into effect through the bench. If Trump wins, we're doing this show in a camp somewhere. You know,
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that's the reality of the world we live in right now.
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I mean, a camp? What? I missed the part of Project 2025 that it says Joy Reid and her show will have
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to be airing from some kind of concentration camp. Oh my goodness, these people. His name is Dean
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Obadala. I don't know how to pronounce it. I think I've seen him on X before say unhinged things over
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the years. So this is apparently just like Mein Kampf, he says. Here are some headlines. MSNBC,
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Project 2025, DOJ as Office of Vengeance, emboldened by Trump's presidential immunity. Oh my goodness,
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guys. What would it be like if we had a Department of Justice that was going after the president's
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political enemies? We've never seen anything like that. The DOJ sicking themselves on peaceful pro-lifers
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or calling concerned parents bringing up their concerns at school board meetings. Terrorists?
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Wow, that would be so scary to have a DOJ like that. Good thing we don't currently have that with
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the present administration. Democrats' war room says Trump's Project 2025 agenda would hurt Black
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Americans. Rolling Stone inside the MAGA plan to attack birth control, surveil women, and ban the
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abortion pill. Democrat nonprofit Democracy Ford published The People's Guide to Project 2025,
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which claims to highlight the most profound threats to the American people. Their guide calls Project
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2025 a radical playbook that presents a profound threat to the American people, our freedoms, and
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our democracy. Rolling Stone, Toronto Star, Washington Post. They all say how scary it is,
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how terrifying it is. That's the adjective that I've seen over and over again, that it is terrifying.
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Joe Biden also attempts to say something about Project 2025. Let's see if you can make it out.
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Here's top one. Project 2025 will destroy America. Look it up. Rumor has it he had to have a teleprompter
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for that for that clip. And it took a few times and even a few jump cuts to get it right. So his campaign
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has obviously been posting a lot about Project 2025 and how terrifying it is. For example, on Joe Biden's
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Instagram page, I'm sure he made this graphic himself, says Trump reveals new details of Project
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2025. Trump says he wants to let states monitor women's pregnancies. Trump says he supports states
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throwing women in jail if they get an abortion. Trump says he might ban abortion medication nationwide
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if he wins. And we're going to get into the fact checks about this, but I can just say right now that
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that's not true, that Trump has not said any of those things. That is just a literal lie. I'm sure
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that Instagram will put up some sort of warning and fact check on that post, right? Because they are
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completely unbiased when it comes to political misinformation and disinformation. Other Democrats
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Representative Ayanna Pressley, she is a far-left Democrat congresswoman, part of the squad.
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She is warning about Project 2025. Here's thought two.
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And we must sound the alarm. Project 2025 is a far-right manifesto. It is a 1,000-page bucket list
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of extremist policies that would uproot every government agency and disrupt the lives of every
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person who calls this country home. She says the Department of Justice would go on a murdering
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spree, rushing to use the death penalty and circumvent due process protections.
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She says it calls for national book bans in schools, but also creates a list of banned words.
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Banned words, it says. Diversity, gender, reproductive health, abortion. You're not going to be able to say
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the word abortion if Project 2025 gets implemented. She says abortion care, which of course is an oxymoron,
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would be inaccessible and illegal no matter where you live. Okay, well, abortion is literally murdering
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a baby. Oh my gosh. Shock of all shocks. Pro-lifers want that to be illegal. Chuck Schumer,
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Democrat Senate Majority Leader, says Project 2025 is the Trump manifesto. It's staffed by former Trump
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officials. It's connected to his cabinet, former campaign advisors, political appointees that lays
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the groundwork for a national abortion ban to funding law enforcement, empowering big oil and
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silencing his opponents. Okay, actually, this is this is like the most fair assessment that I've seen
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from the left of Project 2025, and it's still completely unfair and dishonest. But at least he
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is saying that it's connected to Trump via former Trump campaign officials and people have worked for
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Trump. At least he is not saying that Trump is a part of Project 2025, which is what the other parts
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of the left are unabashedly saying, which, as we will get into, is completely untrue. Hillary Clinton
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says Trump is desperate to make sure voters don't know about Project 2025 is his team's blueprint for
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American dictatorship. Oh, that's our cue to make sure our friends and family know all about it.
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New Republic, New Republic, she links to an article by them, which is truly an extremist,
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far left communist rag. Trump tries, fails to distance himself from Project 2025. Okay, listen to
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this, guys, and I promise we're going to get into what it is. I just want to set it up for you, like
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how actually insane the reaction to this is. And then once we explain to you what Project 2025 is,
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you're going to be like, oh, that's what they are freaking out about. I guarantee you most of these
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people talking about it have not read a single word of the actual document that is available
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publicly online, by the way. Oh, it's so hidden. No, literally anyone could read it. You can go read
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it yourself. I encourage you to, by the way. Here's Reddit, and you should follow the account. If you are
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on X, you should follow the account Reddit Lies, because it just posts ridiculous propaganda and lies
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believed in and perpetuated by Redditors. So the Reddit Lies tweeted this. 39 different Redditors
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have now written suicide notes referencing Project 2025. Oh, my goodness. So this is a subreddit called
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Suicide Watch. Sad. Dark. And this post is titled, When Trump gets reelected, I'm doing it. This person,
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and this is sad. Like, this is very sad. But I mean, misinformation, disinformation, fear mongering
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has consequences. That's what the Reddit Lies account says, and I agree with that. So this person
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says, I know I'm going to get an influx of responses saying I have Trump derangement syndrome or whatever,
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or that I'm being ridiculous, but I don't care. I'm just tired of fighting it all. It's very clear that
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this man will never face consequences or justice. Neither will anyone who is rich. I've read Project 2025.
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25. I've seen what he has planned for everyone and how it will affect the entire world on a climate
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level. And frankly, I don't want to live through that. I don't see a point of fighting any more of
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the bad guys, any more of the bad guys just always win. I'm done. And sadly, I saw another another post
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on Reddit that said that basically Trump is going to kill all transgender people when he gets into
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office. And so that person is thinking about unaliving themselves. And here's a liberal
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TikToker saying what's going to happen if Project 2025 gets its way. Here's top four.
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The Republican Party's agenda for women in this upcoming 2024 election is pretty clear. They want
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us married to men and having their children. And that is the only thing they want for us. They don't
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want us to be single mothers. They don't want us to be in same sex relationships. And they definitely
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do not want us to be childless. OK, and here is Chris Hayes, the host of MSNBC's All In with Chris
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Hayes, SOP 5. Pornography should be outlawed and the people who produce and distribute it
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should be imprisoned. Project 2025 is a straight up dictatorial fantasy of control over the American
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people. When they talk about revolution, taking the country back, what this mean is that this small
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coterie of hard rights elements, these really creepy weirdos are going to exert total control over every
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aspect of your life in terms of what you look at and what you read, what you mail, what your health
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care is. All right. So that's the reaction. And you've probably seen even crazier stuff. I think I saw
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whatever the guy's name is, the creator of Star Wars tweet out with fear for our democracy. I dissent.
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And it was this infographic saying all of these things that Project 2025 wants to accomplish. And
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most of them simply were not true. So let's get into it. What is Project 2025? Is it as scary as what
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you are hearing? Is it this dictatorial fantasy by the far right? So we've summarized it as best as we
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possibly can. Project 2025 is a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups organized by the Heritage
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Foundation, which we've already mentioned, advocating policy and personnel recommendations for the next
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conservative president. This has existed for a while. It actually existed back in 2016. It has been edited.
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It has been added to over the years. It is not in any way tied to President Trump, as we will talk
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about in a little bit. Trump publicly on Truth Social because he I think he listens too much to
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what the left says. He publicly disavowed it and said some of the things in there just terrible and he
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would never do. But that's besides the point right now. The truth is, is that it is not tied to any
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particular politician. It is not tied to any particular president. And it is actually true
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that Trump has not said, yep, I'm implementing Project 2025. I'm a part of that. Here's what you
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should say. Here's what you should do. This is independent of any particular administration.
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This will exist whether or not Trump wins this November. It will just be there and probably edited
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and added to over the years for whenever a Republican wins the presidency. This kind of thing,
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this kind of agenda is normal. They have similar things on the left, whether or not it is this
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broad of a coalition on the left writing its parallel agenda or whether you have the different
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factions of the Democrat Party coming up with their own agenda and then influencing the
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administration. This is politics. This is what happens. You've got different groups coming
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together and saying this is what we want to happen. Of course, you've got people on the far
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left who say, yeah, we want to ban all gas stoves and we want to force all electric cars. We want to
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make sure that homelessness is never criminalized and people can camp out in their tent cities
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absolutely anywhere they want to. They want to set the minimum wage nationwide at $25 an hour.
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They want to make sure that abortion is legal and funded by the taxpayer through all nine months for
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any reason. I mean, there are literally people on the left who want to abolish motherhood.
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Read the book Full Surrogacy Now by someone by the name of Sophie Lewis. Like she, Sophie Lewis,
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like she is probably part of some kind of coalition and some group on the left that is listing their
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priorities and their goals for the next Democratic president. So this is not crazy. This is something
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that happens on the right or the left. So I just want to set it up with that kind of sane and rational
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perspective that even if you were to read through Project 2025 and it said all of these seemingly extreme
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radical things, which as we will get into, it really doesn't. It wouldn't matter because
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this is not law and this is not something that any president has to adopt. This is not even something
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that Trump has indicated that he is going to adopt. But really, a lot of these proposals are very just
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mainstream Republican proposals that are not even as conservative as many social conservatives would want
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them to be. They don't go far enough in some cases, according to a lot of real diehard conservatives.
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So painting this as far right is just not accurate. So what is it? Project 2025 is built on four
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foundational pillars to ensure the effective implementation of a conservative administration.
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These pillars are the policy agenda, the personnel database, training and 180 day playbook. So those
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are the four pillars of Project 2025. So the policy agenda is to develop a comprehensive set of
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conservative policy proposals that address major issues facing the country. So this includes areas
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like economic policy, health care, education, energy, environment, social policies. The goal is to
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create a robust and detailed plan that the administration can follow to achieve its objectives.
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Again, is the administration bound to this? No, it's a set of suggestions and goals. Personnel database,
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create and maintain a database of vetted conservative individuals who are ready to fill key positions
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within the federal government. This ensures that the administration can quickly staff critical roles
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with competent and loyal personnel who align with the administration's policy goals. The pillar
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emphasizes the importance of having the right people in place to execute the policy agenda effectively.
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And this is where I am going to lean on Jessica for a second. So personnel filling an administration is a
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really important step for every administration, but it is a particular struggle for a lot of conservative
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administrations to get the right people in the right positions that are going to be politically
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aligned that are going to be loyal simply because the government right now, especially just our
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the bureaucratic federal government is filled with a lot of lefties and a lot of lifelong bureaucrats
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who are not conservative. And so it's just really hard, I think, for a president to fill
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the key positions with the people that are really going to be loyal to his agenda. And Project 2025 is
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trying to help the conservative president do that. Is that right? Yes, they see it as more like a
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conservative LinkedIn platform where they can immediately go and say, do you believe in these
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things? Upload your resume so that on day one, I mean, even before the moment he wins the election,
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we can staff these 4000 jobs that sadly Trump just couldn't do. He couldn't fill he was it was a rotating
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door in and out. And that's what they want to do. If you have a well staffed job, well staffed administration,
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you can get the things done rapidly, correctly, and not worry that this person doesn't believe the agenda
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because they have vetted them. They have gone through there. They have made sure that these are the right
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people for a true conservative administration. Yes. And you're right. This was a huge problem with Trump's last
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administration. He hired people that ended up being disloyal that ended up going on CNN or MSNBC selling
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their book and leaking the conversations that they had in the White House. And the Project 2025 is trying
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to help that. I love how you described it as like a conservative LinkedIn. Like these are this person's
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credentials. This is their background. This is, you know, the kind of person that they've worked for in
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the past. This is the work that they've done. And so you can see, OK, this person actually aligns with
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the goals the president has. They're not just trying to work for any president. They actually believe in
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this conservative agenda. You can bet your bottom dollar Democrats do that. Oh, yeah. I mean, we've
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already seen that the Biden administration likes to take the holdovers from Obama and there isn't really
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a holdover from Trump there. I mean, we have to go back to Bush. So we we need to make sure that these
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people are true conservatives and they don't necessarily need to be coming out of the Reagan
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school at Texas A&M. They can come from varying places and be vetted before they get there and they
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will stay. Yeah, right. And some people kind of freak out when you hear the word like loyal. But yes,
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I mean, Democrats are looking for that, too. Biden is looking for that, too. You want someone to be
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loyal because you want them to be trustworthy. That doesn't mean that they're going to compromise
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their ethics in order to work for President Trump. That's not what they're looking for. But you do want
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someone to be loyal to their job, loyal to the administration. Of course, that's important. OK, so the
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personnel database, that is one pillar of this. Then the training. So within Project 2025, they provide
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extensive training for individuals who will be part of the administration through the
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Presidential Administration Academy. This training includes workshops, seminars, online videos,
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mentorship programs led by experts with experience in previous administrations. The aim is to equip
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these individuals with the necessary skills and knowledge to implement conservative policies
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effectively from day one. 180 day playbook. Develop a detailed action plan for the first 180 days of the
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new administration. This playbook outlines specific steps to reverse the policies of the previous
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administration. That would be the Biden administration and implement conservative reforms
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quickly. The focus is on immediate actions that can bring swift relief to Americans and set the tone
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for the rest of the administration's tenure. And so if you're just looking at these four pillars,
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it looks like the goal is, again, whether you agree with the particular proposals and policies or not,
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you can tell that the goal is to make a conservative president with a short time that they have.
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Because remember, if it's Trump, he's only going to have max four years. He's only going to have four
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years. And so they want to make sure that he makes as much lasting change as possible. And as
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conservatives, as Republicans, that's what you want. You don't want to just get the guy in office.
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You want to make sure that he accomplishes as much as possible. It's going to help the American
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people that's going to make their financial situations better. That's going to secure the
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border. That's going to make families stronger. That's going to make education more effective.
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You want them to be able to get in there and as quickly as possible accomplish those things to make
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your life better, to set America up better for your kids. And so before we even get into the
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particular policy proposals, it's clear that that's what the goal is. It's not some kind of
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So the Heritage Foundation, conservative think tank, based in D.C., now under this new president,
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Roberts, it actively participates in significant debates within the right, including intra-Republican
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discussions about the party's future direction. They created Project 2025 so that conservatives are
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ready to hit the ground running alongside a Republican president in 2025. As I said, they have those four
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broad fronts, the four parts that we just discussed. And then they also have these or they have the four
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pillars that we already discussed. They have these four broad fronts as well. So four key goals, key
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focuses, I would say, that they want to make sure that they accomplish. They want to make sure that
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these parts of American life are made better and, of course, more conservative. So one, restore the
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family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. Number two, dismantle the
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administrative state and return self-governance to the American people. I would say that is the one
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that people are freaking out most about. Dismantle the administrative state. Number three, defend our
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nation's sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats. So secure the border, basically,
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but that means other things, too. And number four, secure our God-given individual rights to live
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freely, what our Constitution calls the blessings of liberty. And so these are the four fronts. These are
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the four goals. And then within that, we've got the policy, the personnel, the training, and then the
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transition that we have already discussed. So the policy, this is what you are hearing most about.
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It's a mandate for leadership. Like, this is a book that was actually published all the way back in
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1981. It's been edited to, edited, and added to over the years by conservatives to be up to date. But
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this is not new. All of the policies that you're hearing about from the left that, oh my gosh, this
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Project 2025, we've never seen something like this before. This is so scary. This is so new. Well,
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mandate for leadership, what Project 2025 is drawing from for its policy proposals has been around since
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the beginning of the Reagan administration. So the latest edition of this mandate for leadership is
00:28:16.440
over 900 pages. It was released in April 2023. So again, ask yourself, like, why is it just now
00:28:22.880
circulating in the news? It's obviously strategic. This has been out for a while now. It's for sale on
00:28:30.280
the Project 2025 website. It's currently sold out. It's also made available as a document for free at
00:28:36.340
project2025.org. Oh my gosh, this cult is hiding it, guys. It's hiding it. It's obscuring it so much
00:28:43.460
that it's actually available on its website for everyone to read. If it was really so scary and
00:28:48.700
was going to impede a president from getting elected because it was the Republican Mein Kampf,
00:28:55.180
as we heard on MSNBC, do you really think they would be making it available to absolutely anyone
00:29:01.200
on their website? Think people think. Project 2025.org. The forward is by Kevin Roberts, edited by Paul
00:29:09.820
Dans and Stephen Groves. Every chapter of the book corresponds to one federal agency. That chapter
00:29:15.380
outlines what a conservative president needs to do at that agency or what a vision of success looks like
00:29:20.740
for conservatives at each federal agency. Many of the authors previously served as political
00:29:27.080
appointees under President Trump. And this is why, as I said earlier with that Chuck Schumer tweet,
00:29:32.360
why many on the left say that Trump is lying about his lack of awareness regarding Project 2025.
00:29:37.660
I actually think that Trump is probably telling the truth, by the way, just because someone who used to
00:29:42.360
work for Trump is authoring, helping author part of Project 2025 doesn't mean that they are calling
00:29:48.040
Donald Trump and saying, hey, I'm just letting you know what I'm up to today, that I just don't think
00:29:52.340
that's happening. He might know something about it, but I actually really don't think that he is
00:29:57.560
intimately acquainted with the details of this. Chapter one, the White House office, former White
00:30:04.520
House deputy chief of staff to President Trump, Rick Dearborn, he is writing about this, what happens
00:30:12.000
here, what should happen here, executive office of the President of the United States by Russ Vought.
00:30:18.300
We go through all of the chapters, but it would take a while. Like I said, they correspond to different
00:30:24.240
departments, different parts of the presidency that would need to be well staffed, and that would
00:30:28.260
execute the different policy proposals in Project 2025, like Ben Carson wrote a chapter. For example,
00:30:37.000
we have Peter Navarro wrote a chapter, Stephen Moore wrote a chapter. Some of these names are probably
00:30:44.640
familiar to you. So that's part of it. That's part of what people are freaking out about, all the
00:30:52.120
policy proposals, and then again, the presidential personnel database, the presidential administration
00:30:59.100
academy, and then the actual transition binders for each agency. So we can go through,
00:31:07.000
like, what are actually some of these proposals? What is in Project 2025? Just a summary of some of
00:31:14.080
these things. One, we've got economic policy. It advocates for tax reforms, deregulation. Yeah, Republicans
00:31:20.080
have been advocating for that for decades. Fiscal responsibility to spur growth and reduce government
00:31:26.780
intervention in the economy. Two, health care proposes dismantling the Affordable Care Act in favor of
00:31:32.540
market-based solutions to improve health care access and affordability. Energy and environment supports energy
00:31:38.740
independence, which we were under Donald Trump through expanded fossil fuel production and criticizes over
00:31:45.440
regulation and environmental policies advocating for a balance between economic growth and environmental
00:31:50.500
protection. Again, very mainstream Republican position on the environment. Education calls for increased
00:31:58.900
parental choice, including support for charter schools and voucher programs and a reduction in federal
00:32:05.420
involvement in education. Now, Jessica, is it just a reduction in federal involvement in education,
00:32:11.780
or is it the dismantling of the federal Department of Education?
00:32:16.220
So their first goal is to alleviate what the federal government has in control of states, and then they
00:32:24.840
eventually want to completely dismantle the entire Department of Education. That is their end goal. If they achieve
00:32:33.540
it, who knows? But their goal is to eventually get rid of it. But they want to immediately start increasing the
00:32:42.400
parent choice, taking certain things out of what the states can do, supporting private schools,
00:32:49.440
charter schools, vouchers, and then working to immediately to reduce to get rid of the Department of Education.
00:32:57.460
Which a lot of Republicans have said before. I have seen Republican Congress people say that we need to do away with the
00:33:03.300
Department of Education. It hasn't always been around. It's been around for a long time now.
00:33:08.180
I think it was in the beginning of the 1970s that it was created. And so we can have education without the
00:33:15.240
Department of Education. A lot of things would still function if we slashed a good portion of the federal
00:33:20.700
government, which seems to be one of the beliefs of Project 2025, that our federal government is just too
00:33:26.820
big. It's too intrusive in the lives of Americans. And it's actually making the things that we need a lot
00:33:31.660
harder, like education, right? I mean, again, pretty mainstream Republican position.
00:33:36.880
Very much. Getting rid of it. They talk about in here that schools are not advocating for families.
00:33:45.460
They want to get rid of Head Start program and then replace it with more family-focused.
00:33:55.180
They say that some of the programs are not being utilized properly and they are not actually helping
00:34:03.280
students and achieving their goals of higher testing scores, higher graduation rates. And so
00:34:09.340
that they think that if they take that out, they can start to actually make things better.
00:34:14.340
Yeah. And remember, this goes back, just like everything does, this goes back to making sure that
00:34:19.660
the family, that parents are the centerpiece of American life. And if you think there doesn't
00:34:25.660
need to be significant reform to public education, then you should go listen to the podcast Sold a
00:34:32.180
Story. Why is it that a huge percentage of fourth graders are illiterate? I don't just mean can't read
00:34:40.080
well. I mean, they cannot read. Why is it that over 80% of Black fourth graders are reading at a
00:34:48.100
kindergarten level or below? Because we have a huge problem with our public education system, which
00:34:54.180
is beholden to teachers unions. We should not have public unions. By the way, that means your tax
00:34:59.400
dollars are funding the teachers unions who are then turning around and funding the Democrat Party. So
00:35:06.200
you as a Republican should not be forced to fund the Democrat Party in the same way that I think that
00:35:12.460
Democrats shouldn't be forced to fund the Republican Party by through their taxes paying for, say,
00:35:17.720
the police unions. And so public unions, I think, are unethical in general, but especially when it
00:35:24.020
comes to their cartel control of the public education system. We have so much money flooding
00:35:30.820
into our public education system. It is not a funding issue. It's just that all of our funding
00:35:36.520
has been flooding into bloated bureaucracy of the public education system, has not made its way to
00:35:43.140
teachers and has not made its way to students. It is not because we do not fund the education
00:35:48.520
system. It is because our education system in America is largely, not saying every individual
00:35:54.560
teacher or even every individual bureaucrat, but is largely corrupt. We have a bad process and it's
00:36:01.600
headed up by the Department of Education. And so that is why this is a Republican goal. You should look
00:36:06.940
back. The Washington Post covered this. It's hard to find. And so if we find the link, I'll put it in the
00:36:12.080
description of this episode. But the Obama administration, they tested this. If we give
00:36:18.720
a ton of money to these failing Chicago schools, how successful can they be over the next four
00:36:23.500
years? And so they flooded millions of dollars into these failing Chicago schools to see if test scores
00:36:29.220
and grades would go up over the following years. They didn't. Not at all. They saw no difference
00:36:35.640
whatsoever because, again, this is not a funding issue. So that is one of the reasons why conservative
00:36:40.280
administrations say, well, the Department of Education isn't doing their job. They're actually
00:36:44.140
making it worse for teachers and students. So let's get rid of that. Let's rebuild something
00:36:48.320
better. Not crazy. You might not like it. It's not crazy. Number five, immigration. It emphasizes
00:36:53.740
strict enforcement of immigration laws, securing the border and reducing illegal immigration through
00:36:58.080
various measures, including building a border law and, Jessica, deportation, correct?
00:37:03.100
Yes. Yes. And that is controversial. Yes. Controversial. Y'all told me that I say controversial
00:37:10.300
wrong. Controversial. And so, yeah, some people I saw Ben Shapiro being asked about this by Eric
00:37:16.320
Swalwell. Ben Shapiro is not a part of Project 2025. So I think, you know, it was weird. They were trying
00:37:21.680
to make him answer for that. But they do call for deportation of illegal immigrants, right? Yes. Yes,
00:37:26.940
they do. Okay. And of course, some people think that is controversial, but you broke the law. I mean,
00:37:33.760
most other countries would do the same, would do the same thing. All right. The defense and foreign
00:37:38.940
policy, it stresses a strong national defense, increased military spending, and a more assertive
00:37:43.840
foreign policy to protect national interest. The judiciary, it recommends appointing judges who
00:37:49.860
adhere to originalist interpretations of the Constitution to ensure judicial restraint and uphold
00:37:55.120
conservative values, social policy. It advocates for traditional family values, religious freedom,
00:38:00.700
pro-life policies, aiming to strengthen the social fabric of our nation. Now, Jessica, is it true
00:38:07.280
because social policy is the most contentious and the most just polarizing part, I think, of our
00:38:14.100
political conversations for today, of today? We heard this TikToker say that they will not allow same-sex
00:38:22.560
relationships and they won't allow single motherhood. I don't know. And you also heard
00:38:28.140
Chris Hayes on MSNBC say that they are going to ban pornography. Personally, don't threaten me with a
00:38:36.260
good time. I think we should ban pornography. But he's saying that, okay, this means that they are going
00:38:41.000
to dictate every single, like, area of your life. Does Project 2025 aim to ban same-sex so-called
00:38:48.860
marriage? Like, what does it have to say about these things? It doesn't say anything at all,
00:38:52.740
actually. It doesn't. It does not say it wants to get rid of it. It doesn't. The divorce is not used
00:38:59.900
in it. Gay marriage is not. You can go in here and Google it yourself and find in here. It's not a part
00:39:07.340
of it. So this whole idea of they want to redefine marriage in a congressional sense or in a legislative
00:39:14.600
sense. It's not in the document. What they do is they want to focus on families. A father and a
00:39:21.980
mother and a two-parent home. A family values is what they push. They don't try to take away something
00:39:29.760
that's already been decided. Yeah. It's just not in there. And as far as LGBTQ goes, really, because,
00:39:36.940
again, like Jessica said, you can go into the document and then you can search for yourself.
00:39:41.180
You can just, you know, I think it's what command F or control F and you can search for these words and
00:39:47.560
you do see LGBTQ in the document. But it's really more in reference to what is being officially taught
00:39:55.520
in curricula. Right. In the classroom. That's why they want to dismantle the Department of Education
00:40:01.380
because the government has now said that schools have to teach pronouns. They have to. They've wanted to
00:40:07.680
change Title IX. They want to mandate teachers use pronouns that are against what they believe.
00:40:14.480
They want to take that out. And so you don't see it as in... Project 2025 wants to take that out.
00:40:21.660
Department of Education is trying to push that. Put it in. Yes. Right. Okay. So it's not saying
00:40:27.280
you can't be gay or you can't talk about homosexuality. The word homosexuality is not even
00:40:33.940
in this document at all. No, it's not. It's not. I tried many times. I was like,
00:40:38.280
how many different ways can you say homosexual? And it's just, it's not. Gay is used one time and
00:40:44.020
it's in the end notes. Yeah. As an adjective to describe the Department of Education. Not really.
00:40:49.500
Just kidding. It does say transgenderism. It does say that they do not want transgender people to serve
00:40:58.460
the military. Yes. It says that the, that they want to get that out. They not allowed that your
00:41:07.420
gender dysphoria would be considered a disqualifying factor for being able to join the military. Yes.
00:41:15.740
Like you can't take a, an SSRI and join the military. They would qualify that as... Which makes sense.
00:41:21.780
Yes. Which I think completely, 100% makes sense. And not only that, but we are being asked to pay,
00:41:28.300
with our tax dollars for the surgeries and the hormone treatments for, I shouldn't even say
00:41:33.800
treatments, hormone replacement of these people who identify as the opposite sex. Now, as far as
00:41:41.060
abortion, we are hearing that they want a national abortion ban in Project 2025, but that is not true,
00:41:48.760
right? No. Put in abortion ban. It does not exist in there.
00:41:53.040
They want it to be a state's issue, which is actually something that I disagree with. Like,
00:42:00.320
I think that there should be a constitutional personhood amendment because these are human
00:42:04.760
beings just as much as you're a human, just as much as I'm human. It should not be legal to
00:42:10.200
murder them. Just like slavery shouldn't have been a state's rights issue because you were talking about
00:42:16.020
subjugating human beings, treating them as subhuman. I also don't think abortion should be a state issue,
00:42:23.040
because you're talking about killing a human being. I know that people don't like to talk about it like
00:42:27.520
that. They like to talk about it in abstract terms, but you're talking about killing a person. And so
00:42:31.200
I don't think the fundamental human right to life should be up for debate or even up for a vote. I
00:42:37.860
understand that there are many conservatives who disagree with me. I'm just trying to point out that
00:42:41.820
Project 2025 is not even as conservative as many conservatives are when it comes to that. It's
00:42:50.580
really mostly focused on how the federal government has grown, how it is filled with predominantly
00:42:58.980
progressive ideologues and trying to reduce that, to dismantle that as much as possible,
00:43:06.040
to give power, yes, back to the states, but also back to the family and back to individuals and to
00:43:12.340
ensure that the family is, as it says, the centerpiece of American life. And all of the
00:43:21.460
different parts of this project are aimed at achieving that goal. Now, I do have a question,
00:43:28.780
Jessica. What does it say about pornography? It does say that they would,
00:43:34.040
the wording that was in that video, it says that they, it says their product is addictive
00:43:45.040
as any illicit drug and they psychological destructive as any crime. Pornography should
00:43:50.500
be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public
00:43:55.620
librarians who purvey it should be classified as sex offenders and telecommunication and technology
00:44:01.780
firms that facilitate it should be shuttered. But this was in the foreword written by the president.
00:44:08.020
So this was just his perception of these things that are going on in classrooms. And he was really
00:44:15.140
referencing child predators and child pornography. Yeah. So yes. And that was his foreword.
00:44:20.720
Right. Well, I, by the way, like I agree with that. This might not be a specific policy proposal
00:44:26.620
project 2025, but I agree with that. I have debated this subject. It was at the university of Dallas a
00:44:35.480
few months ago. It was me versus Charles CW cook of the national review moderated by Rod Dreher. And I
00:44:43.480
argued for the side of, uh, of banning pornography. I absolutely think that we should ban pornography.
00:44:51.820
It is the legal loophole for sex trafficking because age can't be verified. Consent cannot be verified.
00:45:01.680
And as long as you can monetize rape, as long as you can monetize sex at all, public sex, as long as
00:45:10.120
you can monetize and commodify people's bodies, people will profit from the sexual abuse of women and
00:45:19.180
children in particular. So that's just my aside. I am also not associated with project 2025 would
00:45:25.940
probably be even more conservative if I, if I were, um,
00:45:31.480
So here are claims made by Biden's campaign about project 2025. And here's our fact check based on
00:45:50.200
our reading of the actual document. So they say that they want to take away reproductive freedom
00:45:56.240
nationwide. The truth is, is that mandate for leadership calls for the government to comply with
00:46:00.580
laws that prevent federal funding of abortion. It all, it also calls for federal support of
00:46:05.860
alternatives to abortion, including adoption because duh, uh, uses the presidency for revenge
00:46:12.280
on Trump's political and personal enemies. That's what Biden is claiming, but that is false.
00:46:16.680
There is no mention or insinuation of political revenge. Project 2025 recommends ensuring the
00:46:21.980
assignment of sufficient political appointees throughout the department of justice and other
00:46:26.140
departments. The number of appointees serving throughout the department in prior administrations,
00:46:31.700
particularly during the Trump administration has not been sufficient either to stop that things
00:46:35.520
from happening through proper management or to promote the president's agenda. Like duh, again,
00:46:42.420
looking at Merrick Garland's DOJ right now, I mean, absolutely the henchmen of the Biden administration
00:46:49.360
going after Biden's political enemies and the enemies of the Democrat party, including just
00:46:55.300
concerned conservative parents and peaceful pro-lifers for violating an obscure law called the
00:47:02.100
FACE Act. I mean, throwing grandmothers, 70-something grandmothers in prison for standing in front of an
00:47:09.100
entrance to a murder mill, aka an abortion clinic. That's the current DOJ. And we're supposed to believe
00:47:17.500
that like we need to be scared of a Trump DOJ because they want to fill it with people that
00:47:24.340
align with the president's agenda. I mean, it's just crazy. It's all projection. They also claim that
00:47:30.020
it terminates the Constitution when in fact the opposite is true. Project 2025 reads, the surest way
00:47:37.600
to put the federal government back to work for the American people is to reduce its size and scope
00:47:42.120
back to something resembling the original constitutional intent. In the case of making the federal
00:47:47.320
government smaller, more effective and accountable. The simple answer is the Constitution itself. But
00:47:53.700
the Washington establishment doesn't want a constitutionally limited government because it
00:47:58.980
means they lose power and are held accountable by the people who put them in power. That's what is at
00:48:04.620
the crux of this fear mongering. The people in charge, especially Democrats, because again, they
00:48:11.220
predominantly fill the federal government. They do not want to lose power. They want to continue to grow
00:48:16.400
the size of the government without them ever having to achieve anything for you. So they get more
00:48:22.880
power. They get more prestige. They get more profit. That's what this comes down to. It also, according
00:48:30.820
to the Biden administration, Project 2025 consolidates power in the Oval Office. This is also not true.
00:48:38.820
Project 2025 proposes bringing the executive branch agencies or administrative state back under the control
00:48:44.460
of the executive. The administrative state has filled the void left by Congress's inability to make clear
00:48:51.220
meaningful laws despite or because of the fact that they are unelected and seemingly unfireable. Project
00:48:58.020
2025 school is to return the three branches of government to the proper checks and balances of the
00:49:04.680
Constitution. So again, they don't want unelected bureaucrats able to make these regulations that are harming your
00:49:12.060
life, harming your business. And the executive doesn't have the ability to fire them or hire them.
00:49:18.620
They're just there for life without any kind of consequence. Like you just continue to fail upward like
00:49:27.140
Anthony Fauci. He's continued to fail upward into more prominence and more power. The administrative
00:49:33.820
state holds 100 percent of its power at the sufferance of Congress and its insulation from presidential
00:49:39.400
discipline as an unconstitutional fairy tale spun by the Washington establishment to protect its turf.
00:49:45.460
Members of Congress shield themselves from constitutional accountability, often when the White House allows
00:49:50.140
them to get away with it. So some people read that as you're taking away checks and balances. Project 2025,
00:49:56.240
agree with it or not, sees that as adding in appropriate and originally intended checks and balances.
00:50:03.460
Biden also says it guts Democratic checks and balances on presidential power. Again, Project 2025
00:50:10.260
actually aims to restore the executive branch to the control of the executive rather than running
00:50:14.960
independently as unelected policy makers. This is what it says when it comes to ensuring that freedom
00:50:22.420
can flourish. Nothing is more important than deconstructing the centralized administrative state.
00:50:28.200
Political appointees who are answerable to the president and have decision making authority in the
00:50:32.440
executive branch are key to this essential task. The next administration must not see such
00:50:38.540
authority to nonpartisan experts who pursue their own ends while engaging in groupthink insulated from
00:50:44.700
American voters. Biden also says it gives handouts to the ultra wealthy paid for by working families. Fact
00:50:51.080
check false. In this section of the on the Department of the Treasury, Project 2025 lists their principles of
00:50:57.880
good tax policy. First, it says the tax system should raise the revenue necessary to fund a limited
00:51:04.420
government for constitutionally appropriate activities. They want the least economically destructive
00:51:11.720
forms of policy to have the least negative impact on your the taxpayers life. They want low tax rates on a
00:51:19.660
broad neutral tax base. They want to minimize interference with the operation of the free market and free
00:51:24.500
enterprise and minimize the cost to taxpayers of compliance with administration of the tax system.
00:51:30.840
Second, the tax system should minimize its adverse impact on the family and the core institutions of
00:51:36.440
civil society. Third, the tax system should be applied consistently with special privileges for none and
00:51:42.860
respect taxpayer due process and privacy rights. All right. So that is the fact check on what the Biden
00:51:52.960
administration is saying. And again, Trump is not associated with Project 2025, whether you like
00:52:00.020
the project or not. We got some other fact checks here about, OK, is Trump going to monitor the
00:52:07.880
pregnancies of women? What in the world? I know it's a lot to get through, but that's because there's so
00:52:14.160
much there's so much out there that we are trying to rebut. We're not even going to get into all the
00:52:19.800
subjects I want to talk about today, like the RNC changing its platform language. We'll have to do
00:52:23.600
that next week. OK, so you're hearing also from the Biden administration from the left that they
00:52:41.320
want to monitor women's pregnancies to like keep abortion in check or something like that. But here's
00:52:48.740
the truth. Monitoring is used only once in the Department of Health and Human Services section
00:52:55.740
of Project 2025. And it is recommended that the CDC monitor and report complications due to abortion
00:53:03.580
and children born alive. That is what they are recommending. That's what the left is freaking out
00:53:09.100
about, that they would recommend the CDC report on complications due to abortion and children born
00:53:16.100
alive. Huh. I wonder why the left wouldn't want that because children survive botched abortions
00:53:23.240
more than we realize. It's not reported because they are thrown away like medical waste. I know for
00:53:28.320
a fact that that's happening. There have been congressional testimonies from nurses. Jill Sinak, for one
00:53:34.860
example, the nurse that testified before Congress that she was working in a hospital where a baby was
00:53:42.140
aborted because I had Down syndrome around 22 weeks gestation, she found that baby struggling to breathe
00:53:49.140
in a janitor closet where he was pushed off to the side, where he was placed there, abandoned,
00:53:59.540
struggling to live after he survived an abortion. So Gloria Williams, that was a mother whose baby
00:54:06.860
survived an abortion. She screamed after she realized that her baby was born alive and they silenced her.
00:54:14.860
They put that baby in a medical waste bucket in an abortion clinic in Florida. Those are just two
00:54:22.180
instances that's happening way more than we realize in the United States. And there is no incentive.
00:54:30.500
There's no requirement in many cases for these abortion providers to report this kind of thing.
00:54:36.860
How absolutely horrifying and hellacious. And so, oh my goodness, Extremist Project 2025 wants states to
00:54:45.380
have to report that kind of thing. They say, because liberal states, this is page 455, because liberal
00:54:53.380
states have now become sanctuaries for abortion tourism, HHS should use every available tool, including the
00:54:59.180
cutting of funds to ensure that every state reports exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what
00:55:04.940
gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother's state of residence, and by what method. It should
00:55:10.820
also ensure that statistics are separated by category. Spontaneous miscarriage, treatments that
00:55:16.960
incidentally result in the death of a child, such as chemotherapy, stillbirths, and induced abortion.
00:55:24.640
The CDC should require monitoring and reporting for complications due to abortion in every instance of
00:55:31.800
children being born alive after an abortion. Moreover, abortion should be clearly defined
00:55:37.740
as only those procedures that intentionally end in unborn child's life. Miscarriage management or
00:55:44.020
standard ectopic pregnancy treatments should never be conflated with abortion. So that, that is what you
00:55:51.280
are hearing the left freak out about. Project 2025 mentions abortion 198 times, but not one of those times
00:55:58.900
doesn't mention anything about throwing women in jail for abortion. Again, there are conservatives that would
00:56:03.940
actually disagree with that. That would say, no, a woman should be punished by the law if it is proven through due
00:56:10.820
process that she intentionally aided the murder of her child. Project 2025 doesn't say that, though. There's no mention of a
00:56:17.620
state of a nationwide ban on abortion, as we've already mentioned in the forward. Project 2025 says this. Kevin
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Robert says the next conservative president should work with Congress to enact the most robust protections
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for the unborn that Congress will support while deploying existing federal powers to protect innocent
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life and vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion. Conservatives
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should ardently pursue these pro-life and pro-family policies while recognizing the many women who find
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themselves in immensely difficult and often tragic situations and the heroism of every choice to become
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the heroism of every choice to become a mother. Alternative options to abortion, especially adoption,
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should receive federal and state support. That is what people are freaking out about.
00:57:09.820
Now, what about what Ayanna Pressley said about the death penalty?
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Here's what Project 2025 says about the death penalty in the Department of Justice section of
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the book of Mandate for Leadership. Enforce the death penalty where appropriate and applicable.
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Capital punishment is a sensitive matter, as it should be, but the current crime wave makes deterrence
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vital at the federal, state, and local levels. However, providing this punishment without ever enforcing it
00:57:36.040
provides justice neither for the victim's families nor for the defendant. The next conservative
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administration should therefore do everything possible to obtain finality for the 44 prisoners
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currently on federal death row. It should also pursue the death penalty for applicable crimes,
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particularly heinous crimes involving violence and sexual abuse of children until Congress says
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otherwise through legislation. Duh. Duh. That's not even as harsh, again, as many conservatives say.
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The death penalty should absolutely be on the table, should be consistently given for capital murder,
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for sex crimes against children, 100 percent. For child pornographers, 100 percent. Yes,
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not even a question. You think that's controversial? Well, then something's wrong with you. Why don't
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you want a child rapist to be executed? Why don't you want the person who has committed a heinous
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murder against a woman or child or man, but I'm just listing some of the most vulnerable people
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that are heinously murdered by the murderers on death row, why wouldn't you want them to be executed?
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That is justice. Christians, don't be misguided by the progressive language about the death penalty
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that it is categorically unjust. You can take issue with how it's applied. In some cases, it's not categorically
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unjust because the God who created justice in Genesis 9 demands the death penalty for murder.
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And that is pre-Israel. That's pre-civilization. And it's based in a principle that is still true today
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that man was made in God's image. Genesis 9, 6. You can go check it out for yourself. And this country
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is built on basic Christian principles. That doesn't mean it's a theocracy. It's just that
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every law speaks to a moral worldview. The only question is ever which one. There's a reason why
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we have Moses in our halls of power, depicted in our halls of power in Washington, D.C., and not Buddha,
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okay? Like, we actually have a moral worldview on which our country and our laws are based and supposed
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supposed to be based. She also says, remember that there are banned words in Project 2025. That is not
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true. They do say that we should, in the institutions of American civil society, because they are targets
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for woke culture warriors. We should get rid of terms like sexual orientation and gender identity, diversity,
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equity, inclusion, gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender sensitive, abortion,
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reproductive health, reproductive rights, any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights
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out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.
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agree with that. That doesn't mean you're not going to be able to use those terms. Her claim of book
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bans, there was no mention of book bans in the entire 900 plus page document. What Project 2025 does
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want to ban? In the Department of Education section, Project 2025 proposes that no public education employee
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or contractor shall use a name to address a student other than the name listed on the student's birth
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certificate without the written permission of the student's parents or guardians. It makes the same
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recommendation for pronouns that differ from the student's biological sex. Yeah, of course, again,
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duh, duh. Students should not or parents should not be cut out of those kinds of decisions. Social
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transition for a child can lead to lifelong consequences. It can lead to a child being taken out of their parent's
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custody, which then can make them ripe for all kinds of abuse. Ayanna Pressley says abortion care that
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oxymoron would be inaccessible and illegal no matter where you live. And as we've already mentioned,
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Project 2025 does not say that. They do not say that. They've got some more fact checks on their acts.
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Okay, we've got some more fact checks from Project 2025 itself. Now, President Trump, as I said,
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has disavowed it. He said, Oh, I'm not. I'm not a part of it. J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio have also
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been fielding questions about this because they are vying for that VP spot, in my opinion. Both of
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them have been way too squishy about it. They've been way too squishy on things like abortion. And
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again, I wanted to get into all of that today with the change to the RNC platform, which was completely
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sketchy and corrupt and terrible and anti-pro-life in many ways and just completely unnecessary.
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But we just don't have time to get into all of that today. I just don't think all of this
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disavowing needs to happen, even though it is true that Project 2025 is not officially associated with
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President Trump. Like by disavowing Project 2025, which has a lot of important features to it,
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which just again has a lot of mainstream conservative features to it, you're not winning anyone over.
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You're not going to all of a sudden get an independent who hated Donald Trump to vote for
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Donald Trump now. You think the left is going to back off because President Trump says I'm not
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associated with this? They're not. They're just going to double down. So all you're doing is
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potentially pissing off some conservatives who actually like a lot of the points in Project 2025.
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Same thing with the changes to the RNC platform. You're just pissing off pro-lifers and evangelicals,
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who, as I heard it said this weekend by Ryan Anderson, have really become like the cheap date
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of the Republican Party. Buy us a couple of drinks. We'll still do what you want to do
01:03:56.040
because at least you're not the left. It's a really bad system that Republicans have been placed in.
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And unfortunately, even though I think it's maybe it's the right pragmatic political choice for
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President Trump to distance himself for Project 2025 right now, I'm not really sure that it's
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accomplishing him that much. I am just not sure about it. Again, the fact is we should just kind
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of like ignore any questions or fear mongering in these interviews about Project 2025 and point out
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how truly radical the Democrats are and have proven themselves to be not just some like left wing
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think tank, but what Biden has actually done and really does concretely stand for. Anyway,
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here's Project 2025 response to a lot of this stuff. So, as I said, Mark Hamill, he lists in this
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infographic all of the things that Project 2025 is going to do, like in no fault divorce. Project 2025
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says divorce is not mentioned in our policy handbook at all. Number two, complete ban on abortions.
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They say, nope, as we've already mentioned, that's actually not something that they are calling for.
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They are calling for federal support of alternatives to abortion. Ban contraceptives.
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They say false. Mandate for leadership says nothing about banning or even restricting contraception.
01:05:13.380
Number four, additional tax breaks for corporations and the one percent. They said this is misleading.
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They are calling for lower taxes for all Americans to stimulate economic growth and put more money in
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Americans' pockets. Higher taxes for the working class. They say that's false. We call for lower
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taxes for all Americans. Elimination of unions and worker protections. Mandate for leadership says this
01:05:35.680
is or Project 2025 says this is false. Mandate for leadership presents different ideas about a
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conservative labor policy. It calls for combating the accesses of the deep state's bloated federal
01:05:46.480
employee unions. Raise the retirement age. False. Raising the retirement age is nowhere advocated for
01:05:53.900
in mandate for leadership. Cut social security. False. Mandate for leadership does not advocate
01:05:59.460
cutting social security and Affordable Care Act. False. Mandate for leadership offers policy suggestions
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to curb the abuses of the ACA. Raise prescription drug prices. False. Mandate for leadership offers proposals
01:06:13.260
to lower drug prices through competition and innovation. Eliminate the Department of Education.
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True. True. They say. Mandate for leadership calls for an end to the Department of Education. Since the
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Department was created, educational outcomes have not improved. That goes back to what we were saying
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earlier. Use public taxpayer money for private religious schools. True. They say families should have the
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choice to send their children to these schools so the money should be given to the parents to basically
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make that choice. Now, there's a lot of conservatives that may disagree with that because then you have
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public funding of private schools, which could mean that there are strings attached that you are going
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to be beholden to certain policies by the government if you take money from the federal government.
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There's a debate over that, like within conservatives, what the best method is there as far as school
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choice and school freedom. Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools. They say that's false.
01:07:20.360
They advocate for all educational opportunities and for parental rights and education in free and
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discounted school lunch programs. That is false. It is actually, let me just say, the Biden
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administration that has done that. They are the ones that have threatened schools who do not comply
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with Title IX changes to allow boys into girls' bathrooms and locker rooms with removing free lunches
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for poor students. That's a fact. We've talked about that on that show. We will include the link in this
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description. End civil rights and DEI protections in government. They say this is mostly false. We've
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covered that. They want to end race-based anti-American propaganda in the federal workforce.
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Ban black people and gender studies or black and gender studies in all levels of education. False.
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They don't even mention this. Ban books and curriculum about slavery. False. They do not advocate for that.
01:08:16.400
End climate protections. False. They just want to become energy independent.
01:08:20.340
Get rid of regulations that hurt farmers, hunters, fishers, because they know how to protect our
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environment better than D.C. bureaucrats, which is true. Increase Arctic drilling. They say this is
01:08:31.040
true. They say this actually helps us be energy independent. Deregulate big business and the oil
01:08:37.200
industry. They say this is mostly true. They want fewer burdensome regulations on all businesses.
01:08:43.080
Promote and expedite capital punishment. They say this is true. It calls for the enforcement of the
01:08:49.360
federal death penalty where appropriate and applicable. Not getting rid of due process.
01:08:54.240
End marriage equality. They say this is false. The legal recognition of same-sex marriage is not
01:08:59.100
discussed. And mandate for leadership. Mandate calls for the protection of faith-based grant recipients
01:09:04.980
who maintain support for the federal for the traditional definition of marriage mandate also
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supports conscience protections for those who do not wish to participate in same-sex marriages,
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which, by the way, the left has been pushing the Equality Act, which is against both of those things.
01:09:19.220
It is for discriminating against faith-based institutions who do not recognize the holiness
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of two men or two women coming together in what they deem a marriage. Condemn single mothers while
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promoting only traditional families. This is false. They don't mention that. They do want to encourage
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marriage work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families, though. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security.
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They say this is false. They want to de-weaponize the federal government. They are not trying to
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actually defund those institutions. Use military to break up domestic protests. They say this is
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false. And this is not anywhere mentioned or even implied in their playbook. Mass deportation of
01:10:04.440
immigrants and incarceration in camps. This is misleading. They do support an orderly and lawful
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immigration system. They do want to deport illegal immigrants and they want to put an end to President
01:10:17.260
Biden's border crisis and enforce immigration laws. There's no concentration camps that they are
01:10:22.320
talking about here. End birthright citizenship. False. There's no mention of that. Ban Muslims from
01:10:27.740
entering the country. False. There's no mention of that. Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA,
01:10:33.700
EPA, EPA, and more. False. They would not eliminate the FDA or EPA. They would be transferred. The functions
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would be transferred to other agencies, the private sector and states and territories. Continue to pack
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the Supreme Court and lower courts with right-wing judges. That, again, it's not the definition of
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court packing. Court packing would be what the left wants to do, which is expand the Supreme Court and
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then pack it with left-wing ideologues. What the right has done is what every administration has
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done. You appoint judges and justices that align with the Constitution, that align with your values.
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That's what both parties do. That is part of the constitutional powers of the president and of
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Congress to be able to appoint and approve of those judges. But Project 2025 says this is false.
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And they say the only people calling for PAC in the judiciary are those on the left. So, man,
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there is more that we could say about this. But that's, I mean, we've already gone really long
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today. My hope was to have a more abbreviated episode. LOL. LOL. This is such a big subject that
01:11:43.000
we could get into even more. And like I said, we probably will. Thanks to my team for all of the
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research on this. This took a lot of effort reading organization to sift through. And while I do
01:11:55.220
encourage you to read it for yourself, I want you to because I want you to know the facts. I definitely
01:12:00.220
am not trained. I would never want to gatekeep this. Understand when one side doesn't want you to read
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the source of a controversy and only wants you to listen to their commentary on it, they're probably
01:12:14.260
lying. Okay? That's a pretty good rule of thumb. I always, if I am talking about a sermon, I'm talking
01:12:20.740
about an interview, I'm talking about a Bible passage, I'm talking about an article, I'm talking
01:12:24.740
about a document like this, I'm talking about a Supreme Court case, I'm talking about a law,
01:12:28.540
I always want you to go to the source and read it for yourself. A lot of you don't have time to do
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that, which is why you listen to me and watch me, which is great. But I want you to know that it is
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always available to you. I want you to go see the full context. And I want you to fact check me,
01:12:45.680
I want you to push back against me based on what you are reading. The person or the side that does
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not want you to do that is lying. Okay? So go to the source yourself. You can read it all for yourself.
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But I hope that I've done a good job at explaining this as much as possible and giving you
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a summary. I'll be at a kind of long summary about what this actually is. And the fear mongering is
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just going to increase. So keep your level head. And if you don't have the ability to refute exactly
01:13:18.980
what someone is saying about this, ask them the question. That's how you deal with these kinds of
01:13:25.360
hysterical conversations. Where did you read that? Can I read what you read that led you to make that
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conclusion? Where are you getting that information? Well, have you thought about this? Or what about
01:13:38.740
this? Are you sure about this? Start to have the conversation. And as you have those back and forth
01:13:44.820
with questions that make them think, one, they'll start thinking about it rather than just repeating
01:13:49.980
the talking points as long as they don't shut you down in anger. But also, it'll give you some time
01:13:55.680
to really think about it and get to the core of these issues. Because at the end of the day,
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the left disagrees with these things because they disagree with them. They disagree with them
01:14:05.360
politically. But the left can no longer just disagree with something. It becomes this existential
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threat to democracy. Remember, here's the rule of thumb that we've been talking about.
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To the left, authoritarianism is democracy that they don't like. And democracy is authoritarianism
01:14:26.000
that they do like. Okay? So, when you remember that and when you see their claims through that
01:14:32.420
lens, you can see that most of what they say is hypocrisy and projection. All right? That doesn't mean
01:14:39.340
that we can't hold our own side to account, that we can't, you know, call out our side when we are wrong
01:14:46.560
because we absolutely can and our side is wrong plenty of times. But as I've heard someone say,
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we cannot progress if we don't live in a shared reality. And we have to live in the shared reality
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of what Project 2025 actually says, of what the facts really are. And we are contending against
01:15:10.660
a side that doesn't think that a baby is a person until it passes through the birth canal and maybe
01:15:15.920
for a few minutes after, and also believes that a man can become a woman. And that is why we are
01:15:23.980
having the issues that we are having because we have very fundamental existential disagreements
01:15:29.140
about human nature, human rights, where rights come from, what the foundation of our country is.
01:15:38.700
So, just remember that. That really, like, our disagreements today are so theological in nature,
01:15:46.420
and so much else is just noise. And so, we still have gnats in the studio. So, that's why I am waving
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like a crazy person. So, just remember that in all your conversations with your friends leading up
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to the election. All right. That's all we got time for today. Go to sharethearrows.com, by the way.
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