Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1032 ｜ Project 2025： Truth vs. Lies

00:00:00.840 Project 2025, what is it and why is your liberal aunt freaking out about it on Facebook? We are 0.87

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00:00:39.380 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. All right. We are finally talking about Project

00:00:47.500 2025. I don't think I have ever gotten as many messages about one subject as I have about Project

00:00:57.000 2025. And there are so many details to this because this is a huge document. You're hearing

00:01:03.100 a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and we are going to do our best to get into all of that.

00:01:09.620 We probably won't be able to get into every piece of it today just because it is so much. This will

00:01:16.500 probably be an ongoing conversation as we get closer to the election because now the left has

00:01:22.840 kind of found their hook. They found their thing that they are going to use to try to convince you

00:01:28.400 that Trump is going to become this theocratic dictator as soon as he takes office. They know

00:01:35.560 that they can't hoist up Joe Biden as this awesome candidate, this defender of democracy. So they've got

00:01:42.600 to make Trump look as bad as humanly possible. And since Trump is starting to moderate on some things,

00:01:50.360 as we will discuss later in the episode, they really need to make him look like this far-right

00:01:56.800 so-called fascist figure. And they are doing that through Project 2025. So what is it? Who wrote it?

00:02:05.280 What are people saying about it? Are they right? Are they wrong? We will get into that.

00:02:09.700 And today we will have someone helping me with all of this. And that is our new associate producer,

00:02:15.880 and her name is Jessica. So I just wanted to introduce Jessica. Jessica is waving if you are 0.94

00:02:22.380 watching this on YouTube. And I will throw to her probably a few times throughout this because

00:02:27.580 she has done a deep dive on Project 2025. We will not even get to everything she knows about it today

00:02:34.260 because she has been studying this for quite a while. And so she will be our reference not just today,

00:02:41.460 but probably in all the upcoming episodes that we will have about Project 2025. So when I have a

00:02:48.520 question or I need clarity on something, we will be throwing to our new associate producer, Jessica.

00:02:55.960 All right, let's get into it. You have been seeing every MSNBC commentator, every liberal influencer,

00:03:06.100 your left-wing Biden-loving crazy aunt posting on Facebook about Project 2025 and how absolutely 0.87

00:03:16.260 terrible it is. Now, I first heard about Project 2025, I think a couple years ago. Maybe it was more 0.73

00:03:24.420 recent than that. Maybe it was about a year ago. And how I heard it was it was a set of policy proposals

00:03:33.000 put forth or an agenda that was written compiled by the Heritage Foundation, which is a conservative

00:03:39.960 think tank. It is now run by Kevin Roberts. He used to be the head of Texas Public Policy Institute,

00:03:47.180 and he is very conservative, has taken the Heritage Foundation in what I think is a very positive and

00:03:54.940 more conservative direction, and that he basically helped compile this agenda for the next Republican

00:04:02.780 president. And at the time, of course, they didn't know that Donald Trump was going to be the nominee

00:04:07.920 when they were bringing this together. And it was really talked about on the right as this very

00:04:13.980 positive thing, just a group of conservative thinkers coming together to kind of list some Republican

00:04:20.220 conservative priorities. It's only been over the last few months, and in particular, the last couple

00:04:26.720 weeks that I've seen it talked about so feverishly and so much, everyone freaking out about it.

00:04:32.780 And my first thought was, wait, is this the same thing? Is this the same thing that I heard about

00:04:38.700 a year ago or two years ago that really wasn't seen as a threat at all? It was kind of even pie-in-the-sky

00:04:46.060 idealist, according to some people on the left and even some people on the right. I really never heard

00:04:54.320 it talked about as some big existential threat. And now we are hearing about it as basically the modern

00:05:04.220 day Mein Kampf. I'm not kidding you. Here is SOT3, an MSNBC commentator talking about how scary Project

00:05:15.240 2025 is. Because Project 2025 is the GOP's version of Mein Kampf. The difference is Mein Kampf is only

00:05:21.620 700 pages. Project 2025 is 900 pages. It's a control of all of our lives. And this report is now putting

00:05:27.960 that into effect through the bench. If Trump wins, we're doing this show in a camp somewhere. You know,

00:05:33.640 that's the reality of the world we live in right now.

00:05:36.640 I mean, a camp? What? I missed the part of Project 2025 that it says Joy Reid and her show will have

00:05:46.000 to be airing from some kind of concentration camp. Oh my goodness, these people. His name is Dean

00:05:54.040 Obadala. I don't know how to pronounce it. I think I've seen him on X before say unhinged things over

00:06:02.020 the years. So this is apparently just like Mein Kampf, he says. Here are some headlines. MSNBC,

00:06:09.240 Project 2025, DOJ as Office of Vengeance, emboldened by Trump's presidential immunity. Oh my goodness,

00:06:16.260 guys. What would it be like if we had a Department of Justice that was going after the president's

00:06:21.120 political enemies? We've never seen anything like that. The DOJ sicking themselves on peaceful pro-lifers

00:06:29.480 or calling concerned parents bringing up their concerns at school board meetings. Terrorists?

00:06:37.040 Wow, that would be so scary to have a DOJ like that. Good thing we don't currently have that with

00:06:42.560 the present administration. Democrats' war room says Trump's Project 2025 agenda would hurt Black

00:06:49.500 Americans. Rolling Stone inside the MAGA plan to attack birth control, surveil women, and ban the

00:06:57.500 abortion pill. Democrat nonprofit Democracy Ford published The People's Guide to Project 2025,

00:07:03.640 which claims to highlight the most profound threats to the American people. Their guide calls Project

00:07:10.920 2025 a radical playbook that presents a profound threat to the American people, our freedoms, and

00:07:16.160 our democracy. Rolling Stone, Toronto Star, Washington Post. They all say how scary it is,

00:07:24.840 how terrifying it is. That's the adjective that I've seen over and over again, that it is terrifying.

00:07:32.800 Joe Biden also attempts to say something about Project 2025. Let's see if you can make it out.

00:07:38.280 Here's top one. Project 2025 will destroy America. Look it up. Rumor has it he had to have a teleprompter

00:07:46.700 for that for that clip. And it took a few times and even a few jump cuts to get it right. So his campaign

00:07:57.220 has obviously been posting a lot about Project 2025 and how terrifying it is. For example, on Joe Biden's

00:08:06.280 Instagram page, I'm sure he made this graphic himself, says Trump reveals new details of Project

00:08:11.540 2025. Trump says he wants to let states monitor women's pregnancies. Trump says he supports states

00:08:19.120 throwing women in jail if they get an abortion. Trump says he might ban abortion medication nationwide

00:08:26.620 if he wins. And we're going to get into the fact checks about this, but I can just say right now that

00:08:31.920 that's not true, that Trump has not said any of those things. That is just a literal lie. I'm sure

00:08:39.560 that Instagram will put up some sort of warning and fact check on that post, right? Because they are

00:08:45.520 completely unbiased when it comes to political misinformation and disinformation. Other Democrats

00:08:53.500 also have warnings about Project 2025.

00:09:08.560 Representative Ayanna Pressley, she is a far-left Democrat congresswoman, part of the squad. 1.00

00:09:17.340 She is warning about Project 2025. Here's thought two.

00:09:20.300 And we must sound the alarm. Project 2025 is a far-right manifesto. It is a 1,000-page bucket list

00:09:28.140 of extremist policies that would uproot every government agency and disrupt the lives of every

00:09:33.560 person who calls this country home. She says the Department of Justice would go on a murdering

00:09:39.640 spree, rushing to use the death penalty and circumvent due process protections.

00:09:44.860 She says it calls for national book bans in schools, but also creates a list of banned words.

00:09:52.800 Banned words, it says. Diversity, gender, reproductive health, abortion. You're not going to be able to say

00:09:59.240 the word abortion if Project 2025 gets implemented. She says abortion care, which of course is an oxymoron,

00:10:06.940 would be inaccessible and illegal no matter where you live. Okay, well, abortion is literally murdering 1.00

00:10:14.940 a baby. Oh my gosh. Shock of all shocks. Pro-lifers want that to be illegal. Chuck Schumer,

00:10:20.580 Democrat Senate Majority Leader, says Project 2025 is the Trump manifesto. It's staffed by former Trump

00:10:28.020 officials. It's connected to his cabinet, former campaign advisors, political appointees that lays

00:10:33.280 the groundwork for a national abortion ban to funding law enforcement, empowering big oil and

00:10:39.180 silencing his opponents. Okay, actually, this is this is like the most fair assessment that I've seen

00:10:47.080 from the left of Project 2025, and it's still completely unfair and dishonest. But at least he

00:10:53.040 is saying that it's connected to Trump via former Trump campaign officials and people have worked for

00:10:59.440 Trump. At least he is not saying that Trump is a part of Project 2025, which is what the other parts

00:11:06.960 of the left are unabashedly saying, which, as we will get into, is completely untrue. Hillary Clinton

00:11:12.540 says Trump is desperate to make sure voters don't know about Project 2025 is his team's blueprint for

00:11:18.080 American dictatorship. Oh, that's our cue to make sure our friends and family know all about it. 0.86

00:11:24.620 New Republic, New Republic, she links to an article by them, which is truly an extremist,

00:11:30.360 far left communist rag. Trump tries, fails to distance himself from Project 2025. Okay, listen to

00:11:38.560 this, guys, and I promise we're going to get into what it is. I just want to set it up for you, like

00:11:43.680 how actually insane the reaction to this is. And then once we explain to you what Project 2025 is,

00:11:51.280 you're going to be like, oh, that's what they are freaking out about. I guarantee you most of these

00:11:56.880 people talking about it have not read a single word of the actual document that is available

00:12:03.100 publicly online, by the way. Oh, it's so hidden. No, literally anyone could read it. You can go read

00:12:07.780 it yourself. I encourage you to, by the way. Here's Reddit, and you should follow the account. If you are

00:12:13.000 on X, you should follow the account Reddit Lies, because it just posts ridiculous propaganda and lies

00:12:20.060 believed in and perpetuated by Redditors. So the Reddit Lies tweeted this. 39 different Redditors

00:12:27.860 have now written suicide notes referencing Project 2025. Oh, my goodness. So this is a subreddit called

00:12:35.060 Suicide Watch. Sad. Dark. And this post is titled, When Trump gets reelected, I'm doing it. This person,

00:12:43.620 and this is sad. Like, this is very sad. But I mean, misinformation, disinformation, fear mongering

00:12:50.140 has consequences. That's what the Reddit Lies account says, and I agree with that. So this person

00:12:55.680 says, I know I'm going to get an influx of responses saying I have Trump derangement syndrome or whatever, 0.98

00:13:00.080 or that I'm being ridiculous, but I don't care. I'm just tired of fighting it all. It's very clear that 0.81

00:13:03.980 this man will never face consequences or justice. Neither will anyone who is rich. I've read Project 2025.

00:13:08.960 25. I've seen what he has planned for everyone and how it will affect the entire world on a climate

00:13:13.840 level. And frankly, I don't want to live through that. I don't see a point of fighting any more of

00:13:18.740 the bad guys, any more of the bad guys just always win. I'm done. And sadly, I saw another another post

00:13:28.580 on Reddit that said that basically Trump is going to kill all transgender people when he gets into 1.00

00:13:33.780 office. And so that person is thinking about unaliving themselves. And here's a liberal 0.99

00:13:39.420 TikToker saying what's going to happen if Project 2025 gets its way. Here's top four.

00:13:45.880 The Republican Party's agenda for women in this upcoming 2024 election is pretty clear. They want 1.00

00:13:51.180 us married to men and having their children. And that is the only thing they want for us. They don't 0.91

00:13:56.660 want us to be single mothers. They don't want us to be in same sex relationships. And they definitely 1.00

00:14:01.160 do not want us to be childless. OK, and here is Chris Hayes, the host of MSNBC's All In with Chris

00:14:10.960 Hayes, SOP 5. Pornography should be outlawed and the people who produce and distribute it

00:14:16.760 should be imprisoned. Project 2025 is a straight up dictatorial fantasy of control over the American

00:14:24.180 people. When they talk about revolution, taking the country back, what this mean is that this small

00:14:30.520 coterie of hard rights elements, these really creepy weirdos are going to exert total control over every

00:14:39.180 aspect of your life in terms of what you look at and what you read, what you mail, what your health

00:14:44.220 care is. All right. So that's the reaction. And you've probably seen even crazier stuff. I think I saw

00:14:50.900 whatever the guy's name is, the creator of Star Wars tweet out with fear for our democracy. I dissent.

00:14:57.980 And it was this infographic saying all of these things that Project 2025 wants to accomplish. And

00:15:05.580 most of them simply were not true. So let's get into it. What is Project 2025? Is it as scary as what

00:15:12.500 you are hearing? Is it this dictatorial fantasy by the far right? So we've summarized it as best as we

00:15:21.260 possibly can. Project 2025 is a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups organized by the Heritage

00:15:28.640 Foundation, which we've already mentioned, advocating policy and personnel recommendations for the next

00:15:35.260 conservative president. This has existed for a while. It actually existed back in 2016. It has been edited.

00:15:44.820 It has been added to over the years. It is not in any way tied to President Trump, as we will talk

00:15:51.960 about in a little bit. Trump publicly on Truth Social because he I think he listens too much to

00:15:56.700 what the left says. He publicly disavowed it and said some of the things in there just terrible and he

00:16:02.440 would never do. But that's besides the point right now. The truth is, is that it is not tied to any

00:16:09.760 particular politician. It is not tied to any particular president. And it is actually true

00:16:14.280 that Trump has not said, yep, I'm implementing Project 2025. I'm a part of that. Here's what you

00:16:19.240 should say. Here's what you should do. This is independent of any particular administration.

00:16:24.540 This will exist whether or not Trump wins this November. It will just be there and probably edited

00:16:31.520 and added to over the years for whenever a Republican wins the presidency. This kind of thing,

00:16:38.600 this kind of agenda is normal. They have similar things on the left, whether or not it is this

00:16:46.120 broad of a coalition on the left writing its parallel agenda or whether you have the different

00:16:52.340 factions of the Democrat Party coming up with their own agenda and then influencing the

00:16:57.280 administration. This is politics. This is what happens. You've got different groups coming

00:17:02.060 together and saying this is what we want to happen. Of course, you've got people on the far

00:17:06.540 left who say, yeah, we want to ban all gas stoves and we want to force all electric cars. We want to

00:17:14.700 make sure that homelessness is never criminalized and people can camp out in their tent cities

00:17:20.480 absolutely anywhere they want to. They want to set the minimum wage nationwide at $25 an hour.

00:17:29.160 They want to make sure that abortion is legal and funded by the taxpayer through all nine months for

00:17:36.760 any reason. I mean, there are literally people on the left who want to abolish motherhood.

00:17:43.860 Read the book Full Surrogacy Now by someone by the name of Sophie Lewis. Like she, Sophie Lewis,

00:17:49.520 like she is probably part of some kind of coalition and some group on the left that is listing their

00:17:55.780 priorities and their goals for the next Democratic president. So this is not crazy. This is something

00:18:02.040 that happens on the right or the left. So I just want to set it up with that kind of sane and rational

00:18:08.440 perspective that even if you were to read through Project 2025 and it said all of these seemingly extreme

00:18:15.860 radical things, which as we will get into, it really doesn't. It wouldn't matter because

00:18:21.200 this is not law and this is not something that any president has to adopt. This is not even something

00:18:29.060 that Trump has indicated that he is going to adopt. But really, a lot of these proposals are very just

00:18:37.680 mainstream Republican proposals that are not even as conservative as many social conservatives would want

00:18:46.080 them to be. They don't go far enough in some cases, according to a lot of real diehard conservatives.

00:18:53.720 So painting this as far right is just not accurate. So what is it? Project 2025 is built on four

00:19:03.420 foundational pillars to ensure the effective implementation of a conservative administration.

00:19:08.460 These pillars are the policy agenda, the personnel database, training and 180 day playbook. So those

00:19:17.320 are the four pillars of Project 2025. So the policy agenda is to develop a comprehensive set of

00:19:24.500 conservative policy proposals that address major issues facing the country. So this includes areas

00:19:30.060 like economic policy, health care, education, energy, environment, social policies. The goal is to

00:19:35.940 create a robust and detailed plan that the administration can follow to achieve its objectives.

00:19:41.020 Again, is the administration bound to this? No, it's a set of suggestions and goals. Personnel database,

00:19:47.660 create and maintain a database of vetted conservative individuals who are ready to fill key positions

00:19:52.880 within the federal government. This ensures that the administration can quickly staff critical roles

00:19:57.680 with competent and loyal personnel who align with the administration's policy goals. The pillar

00:20:03.340 emphasizes the importance of having the right people in place to execute the policy agenda effectively.

00:20:09.860 And this is where I am going to lean on Jessica for a second. So personnel filling an administration is a

00:20:18.520 really important step for every administration, but it is a particular struggle for a lot of conservative

00:20:26.760 administrations to get the right people in the right positions that are going to be politically

00:20:32.100 aligned that are going to be loyal simply because the government right now, especially just our

00:20:37.700 the bureaucratic federal government is filled with a lot of lefties and a lot of lifelong bureaucrats

00:20:45.120 who are not conservative. And so it's just really hard, I think, for a president to fill

00:20:50.100 the key positions with the people that are really going to be loyal to his agenda. And Project 2025 is

00:20:58.840 trying to help the conservative president do that. Is that right? Yes, they see it as more like a

00:21:04.300 conservative LinkedIn platform where they can immediately go and say, do you believe in these

00:21:09.540 things? Upload your resume so that on day one, I mean, even before the moment he wins the election,

00:21:15.540 we can staff these 4000 jobs that sadly Trump just couldn't do. He couldn't fill he was it was a rotating

00:21:23.220 door in and out. And that's what they want to do. If you have a well staffed job, well staffed administration,

00:21:30.620 you can get the things done rapidly, correctly, and not worry that this person doesn't believe the agenda

00:21:38.200 because they have vetted them. They have gone through there. They have made sure that these are the right

00:21:42.020 people for a true conservative administration. Yes. And you're right. This was a huge problem with Trump's last

00:21:48.900 administration. He hired people that ended up being disloyal that ended up going on CNN or MSNBC selling

00:21:55.660 their book and leaking the conversations that they had in the White House. And the Project 2025 is trying

00:22:02.380 to help that. I love how you described it as like a conservative LinkedIn. Like these are this person's

00:22:09.220 credentials. This is their background. This is, you know, the kind of person that they've worked for in

00:22:15.940 the past. This is the work that they've done. And so you can see, OK, this person actually aligns with

00:22:22.440 the goals the president has. They're not just trying to work for any president. They actually believe in

00:22:27.380 this conservative agenda. You can bet your bottom dollar Democrats do that. Oh, yeah. I mean, we've

00:22:33.020 already seen that the Biden administration likes to take the holdovers from Obama and there isn't really

00:22:39.980 a holdover from Trump there. I mean, we have to go back to Bush. So we we need to make sure that these

00:22:47.420 people are true conservatives and they don't necessarily need to be coming out of the Reagan

00:22:52.660 school at Texas A&M. They can come from varying places and be vetted before they get there and they

00:23:00.440 will stay. Yeah, right. And some people kind of freak out when you hear the word like loyal. But yes,

00:23:07.940 I mean, Democrats are looking for that, too. Biden is looking for that, too. You want someone to be

00:23:12.880 loyal because you want them to be trustworthy. That doesn't mean that they're going to compromise

00:23:16.820 their ethics in order to work for President Trump. That's not what they're looking for. But you do want

00:23:20.760 someone to be loyal to their job, loyal to the administration. Of course, that's important. OK, so the

00:23:26.060 personnel database, that is one pillar of this. Then the training. So within Project 2025, they provide

00:23:32.460 extensive training for individuals who will be part of the administration through the

00:23:35.600 Presidential Administration Academy. This training includes workshops, seminars, online videos,

00:23:40.100 mentorship programs led by experts with experience in previous administrations. The aim is to equip

00:23:44.700 these individuals with the necessary skills and knowledge to implement conservative policies

00:23:48.400 effectively from day one. 180 day playbook. Develop a detailed action plan for the first 180 days of the

00:23:57.140 new administration. This playbook outlines specific steps to reverse the policies of the previous

00:24:02.300 administration. That would be the Biden administration and implement conservative reforms

00:24:06.520 quickly. The focus is on immediate actions that can bring swift relief to Americans and set the tone

00:24:12.060 for the rest of the administration's tenure. And so if you're just looking at these four pillars,

00:24:16.880 it looks like the goal is, again, whether you agree with the particular proposals and policies or not,

00:24:24.120 you can tell that the goal is to make a conservative president with a short time that they have.

00:24:28.740 Because remember, if it's Trump, he's only going to have max four years. He's only going to have four

00:24:33.520 years. And so they want to make sure that he makes as much lasting change as possible. And as

00:24:42.020 conservatives, as Republicans, that's what you want. You don't want to just get the guy in office.

00:24:47.940 You want to make sure that he accomplishes as much as possible. It's going to help the American

00:24:53.060 people that's going to make their financial situations better. That's going to secure the

00:25:00.560 border. That's going to make families stronger. That's going to make education more effective. 0.82

00:25:05.400 You want them to be able to get in there and as quickly as possible accomplish those things to make

00:25:10.900 your life better, to set America up better for your kids. And so before we even get into the

00:25:18.260 particular policy proposals, it's clear that that's what the goal is. It's not some kind of

00:25:23.820 nefarious, malicious thing going on here.

00:25:26.100 So the Heritage Foundation, conservative think tank, based in D.C., now under this new president,

00:25:45.220 Roberts, it actively participates in significant debates within the right, including intra-Republican

00:25:50.940 discussions about the party's future direction. They created Project 2025 so that conservatives are

00:25:59.240 ready to hit the ground running alongside a Republican president in 2025. As I said, they have those four

00:26:08.740 broad fronts, the four parts that we just discussed. And then they also have these or they have the four

00:26:16.960 pillars that we already discussed. They have these four broad fronts as well. So four key goals, key

00:26:27.680 focuses, I would say, that they want to make sure that they accomplish. They want to make sure that

00:26:36.180 these parts of American life are made better and, of course, more conservative. So one, restore the

00:26:43.040 family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. Number two, dismantle the

00:26:48.880 administrative state and return self-governance to the American people. I would say that is the one

00:26:54.800 that people are freaking out most about. Dismantle the administrative state. Number three, defend our

00:27:00.880 nation's sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats. So secure the border, basically,

00:27:08.020 but that means other things, too. And number four, secure our God-given individual rights to live

00:27:14.060 freely, what our Constitution calls the blessings of liberty. And so these are the four fronts. These are

00:27:22.660 the four goals. And then within that, we've got the policy, the personnel, the training, and then the

00:27:29.940 transition that we have already discussed. So the policy, this is what you are hearing most about.

00:27:36.980 It's a mandate for leadership. Like, this is a book that was actually published all the way back in

00:27:42.860 1981. It's been edited to, edited, and added to over the years by conservatives to be up to date. But

00:27:51.780 this is not new. All of the policies that you're hearing about from the left that, oh my gosh, this

00:27:57.200 Project 2025, we've never seen something like this before. This is so scary. This is so new. Well,

00:28:02.580 mandate for leadership, what Project 2025 is drawing from for its policy proposals has been around since

00:28:09.280 the beginning of the Reagan administration. So the latest edition of this mandate for leadership is

00:28:16.440 over 900 pages. It was released in April 2023. So again, ask yourself, like, why is it just now

00:28:22.880 circulating in the news? It's obviously strategic. This has been out for a while now. It's for sale on

00:28:30.280 the Project 2025 website. It's currently sold out. It's also made available as a document for free at

00:28:36.340 project2025.org. Oh my gosh, this cult is hiding it, guys. It's hiding it. It's obscuring it so much

00:28:43.460 that it's actually available on its website for everyone to read. If it was really so scary and

00:28:48.700 was going to impede a president from getting elected because it was the Republican Mein Kampf,

00:28:55.180 as we heard on MSNBC, do you really think they would be making it available to absolutely anyone

00:29:01.200 on their website? Think people think. Project 2025.org. The forward is by Kevin Roberts, edited by Paul

00:29:09.820 Dans and Stephen Groves. Every chapter of the book corresponds to one federal agency. That chapter

00:29:15.380 outlines what a conservative president needs to do at that agency or what a vision of success looks like

00:29:20.740 for conservatives at each federal agency. Many of the authors previously served as political

00:29:27.080 appointees under President Trump. And this is why, as I said earlier with that Chuck Schumer tweet,

00:29:32.360 why many on the left say that Trump is lying about his lack of awareness regarding Project 2025.

00:29:37.660 I actually think that Trump is probably telling the truth, by the way, just because someone who used to

00:29:42.360 work for Trump is authoring, helping author part of Project 2025 doesn't mean that they are calling

00:29:48.040 Donald Trump and saying, hey, I'm just letting you know what I'm up to today, that I just don't think

00:29:52.340 that's happening. He might know something about it, but I actually really don't think that he is

00:29:57.560 intimately acquainted with the details of this. Chapter one, the White House office, former White

00:30:04.520 House deputy chief of staff to President Trump, Rick Dearborn, he is writing about this, what happens

00:30:12.000 here, what should happen here, executive office of the President of the United States by Russ Vought.

00:30:18.300 We go through all of the chapters, but it would take a while. Like I said, they correspond to different

00:30:24.240 departments, different parts of the presidency that would need to be well staffed, and that would

00:30:28.260 execute the different policy proposals in Project 2025, like Ben Carson wrote a chapter. For example,

00:30:37.000 we have Peter Navarro wrote a chapter, Stephen Moore wrote a chapter. Some of these names are probably

00:30:44.640 familiar to you. So that's part of it. That's part of what people are freaking out about, all the

00:30:52.120 policy proposals, and then again, the presidential personnel database, the presidential administration

00:30:59.100 academy, and then the actual transition binders for each agency. So we can go through,

00:31:07.000 like, what are actually some of these proposals? What is in Project 2025? Just a summary of some of

00:31:14.080 these things. One, we've got economic policy. It advocates for tax reforms, deregulation. Yeah, Republicans

00:31:20.080 have been advocating for that for decades. Fiscal responsibility to spur growth and reduce government

00:31:26.780 intervention in the economy. Two, health care proposes dismantling the Affordable Care Act in favor of

00:31:32.540 market-based solutions to improve health care access and affordability. Energy and environment supports energy

00:31:38.740 independence, which we were under Donald Trump through expanded fossil fuel production and criticizes over

00:31:45.440 regulation and environmental policies advocating for a balance between economic growth and environmental

00:31:50.500 protection. Again, very mainstream Republican position on the environment. Education calls for increased

00:31:58.900 parental choice, including support for charter schools and voucher programs and a reduction in federal

00:32:05.420 involvement in education. Now, Jessica, is it just a reduction in federal involvement in education,

00:32:11.780 or is it the dismantling of the federal Department of Education?

00:32:16.220 So their first goal is to alleviate what the federal government has in control of states, and then they

00:32:24.840 eventually want to completely dismantle the entire Department of Education. That is their end goal. If they achieve

00:32:33.540 it, who knows? But their goal is to eventually get rid of it. But they want to immediately start increasing the

00:32:42.400 parent choice, taking certain things out of what the states can do, supporting private schools,

00:32:49.440 charter schools, vouchers, and then working to immediately to reduce to get rid of the Department of Education.

00:32:57.460 Which a lot of Republicans have said before. I have seen Republican Congress people say that we need to do away with the

00:33:03.300 Department of Education. It hasn't always been around. It's been around for a long time now.

00:33:08.180 I think it was in the beginning of the 1970s that it was created. And so we can have education without the

00:33:15.240 Department of Education. A lot of things would still function if we slashed a good portion of the federal

00:33:20.700 government, which seems to be one of the beliefs of Project 2025, that our federal government is just too

00:33:26.820 big. It's too intrusive in the lives of Americans. And it's actually making the things that we need a lot

00:33:31.660 harder, like education, right? I mean, again, pretty mainstream Republican position.

00:33:36.880 Very much. Getting rid of it. They talk about in here that schools are not advocating for families.

00:33:45.460 They want to get rid of Head Start program and then replace it with more family-focused.

00:33:55.180 They say that some of the programs are not being utilized properly and they are not actually helping

00:34:03.280 students and achieving their goals of higher testing scores, higher graduation rates. And so

00:34:09.340 that they think that if they take that out, they can start to actually make things better.

00:34:14.340 Yeah. And remember, this goes back, just like everything does, this goes back to making sure that

00:34:19.660 the family, that parents are the centerpiece of American life. And if you think there doesn't

00:34:25.660 need to be significant reform to public education, then you should go listen to the podcast Sold a

00:34:32.180 Story. Why is it that a huge percentage of fourth graders are illiterate? I don't just mean can't read

00:34:40.080 well. I mean, they cannot read. Why is it that over 80% of Black fourth graders are reading at a 0.99

00:34:48.100 kindergarten level or below? Because we have a huge problem with our public education system, which

00:34:54.180 is beholden to teachers unions. We should not have public unions. By the way, that means your tax

00:34:59.400 dollars are funding the teachers unions who are then turning around and funding the Democrat Party. So

00:35:06.200 you as a Republican should not be forced to fund the Democrat Party in the same way that I think that

00:35:12.460 Democrats shouldn't be forced to fund the Republican Party by through their taxes paying for, say,

00:35:17.720 the police unions. And so public unions, I think, are unethical in general, but especially when it

00:35:24.020 comes to their cartel control of the public education system. We have so much money flooding

00:35:30.820 into our public education system. It is not a funding issue. It's just that all of our funding

00:35:36.520 has been flooding into bloated bureaucracy of the public education system, has not made its way to

00:35:43.140 teachers and has not made its way to students. It is not because we do not fund the education

00:35:48.520 system. It is because our education system in America is largely, not saying every individual

00:35:54.560 teacher or even every individual bureaucrat, but is largely corrupt. We have a bad process and it's

00:36:01.600 headed up by the Department of Education. And so that is why this is a Republican goal. You should look

00:36:06.940 back. The Washington Post covered this. It's hard to find. And so if we find the link, I'll put it in the

00:36:12.080 description of this episode. But the Obama administration, they tested this. If we give

00:36:18.720 a ton of money to these failing Chicago schools, how successful can they be over the next four

00:36:23.500 years? And so they flooded millions of dollars into these failing Chicago schools to see if test scores

00:36:29.220 and grades would go up over the following years. They didn't. Not at all. They saw no difference

00:36:35.640 whatsoever because, again, this is not a funding issue. So that is one of the reasons why conservative

00:36:40.280 administrations say, well, the Department of Education isn't doing their job. They're actually

00:36:44.140 making it worse for teachers and students. So let's get rid of that. Let's rebuild something

00:36:48.320 better. Not crazy. You might not like it. It's not crazy. Number five, immigration. It emphasizes

00:36:53.740 strict enforcement of immigration laws, securing the border and reducing illegal immigration through

00:36:58.080 various measures, including building a border law and, Jessica, deportation, correct?

00:37:03.100 Yes. Yes. And that is controversial. Yes. Controversial. Y'all told me that I say controversial

00:37:10.300 wrong. Controversial. And so, yeah, some people I saw Ben Shapiro being asked about this by Eric

00:37:16.320 Swalwell. Ben Shapiro is not a part of Project 2025. So I think, you know, it was weird. They were trying

00:37:21.680 to make him answer for that. But they do call for deportation of illegal immigrants, right? Yes. Yes, 0.91

00:37:26.940 they do. Okay. And of course, some people think that is controversial, but you broke the law. I mean,

00:37:33.760 most other countries would do the same, would do the same thing. All right. The defense and foreign 0.72

00:37:38.940 policy, it stresses a strong national defense, increased military spending, and a more assertive

00:37:43.840 foreign policy to protect national interest. The judiciary, it recommends appointing judges who

00:37:49.860 adhere to originalist interpretations of the Constitution to ensure judicial restraint and uphold

00:37:55.120 conservative values, social policy. It advocates for traditional family values, religious freedom,

00:38:00.700 pro-life policies, aiming to strengthen the social fabric of our nation. Now, Jessica, is it true 0.59

00:38:07.280 because social policy is the most contentious and the most just polarizing part, I think, of our

00:38:14.100 political conversations for today, of today? We heard this TikToker say that they will not allow same-sex

00:38:22.560 relationships and they won't allow single motherhood. I don't know. And you also heard

00:38:28.140 Chris Hayes on MSNBC say that they are going to ban pornography. Personally, don't threaten me with a

00:38:36.260 good time. I think we should ban pornography. But he's saying that, okay, this means that they are going

00:38:41.000 to dictate every single, like, area of your life. Does Project 2025 aim to ban same-sex so-called 0.99

00:38:48.860 marriage? Like, what does it have to say about these things? It doesn't say anything at all,

00:38:52.740 actually. It doesn't. It does not say it wants to get rid of it. It doesn't. The divorce is not used

00:38:59.900 in it. Gay marriage is not. You can go in here and Google it yourself and find in here. It's not a part 0.90

00:39:07.340 of it. So this whole idea of they want to redefine marriage in a congressional sense or in a legislative

00:39:14.600 sense. It's not in the document. What they do is they want to focus on families. A father and a

00:39:21.980 mother and a two-parent home. A family values is what they push. They don't try to take away something

00:39:29.760 that's already been decided. Yeah. It's just not in there. And as far as LGBTQ goes, really, because, 0.73

00:39:36.940 again, like Jessica said, you can go into the document and then you can search for yourself.

00:39:41.180 You can just, you know, I think it's what command F or control F and you can search for these words and

00:39:47.560 you do see LGBTQ in the document. But it's really more in reference to what is being officially taught

00:39:55.520 in curricula. Right. In the classroom. That's why they want to dismantle the Department of Education

00:40:01.380 because the government has now said that schools have to teach pronouns. They have to. They've wanted to 0.98

00:40:07.680 change Title IX. They want to mandate teachers use pronouns that are against what they believe.

00:40:14.480 They want to take that out. And so you don't see it as in... Project 2025 wants to take that out.

00:40:21.660 Department of Education is trying to push that. Put it in. Yes. Right. Okay. So it's not saying

00:40:27.280 you can't be gay or you can't talk about homosexuality. The word homosexuality is not even

00:40:33.940 in this document at all. No, it's not. It's not. I tried many times. I was like,

00:40:38.280 how many different ways can you say homosexual? And it's just, it's not. Gay is used one time and

00:40:44.020 it's in the end notes. Yeah. As an adjective to describe the Department of Education. Not really.

00:40:49.500 Just kidding. It does say transgenderism. It does say that they do not want transgender people to serve 1.00

00:40:58.460 the military. Yes. It says that the, that they want to get that out. They not allowed that your 0.76

00:41:07.420 gender dysphoria would be considered a disqualifying factor for being able to join the military. Yes. 0.86

00:41:15.740 Like you can't take a, an SSRI and join the military. They would qualify that as... Which makes sense. 0.99

00:41:21.780 Yes. Which I think completely, 100% makes sense. And not only that, but we are being asked to pay,

00:41:28.300 with our tax dollars for the surgeries and the hormone treatments for, I shouldn't even say

00:41:33.800 treatments, hormone replacement of these people who identify as the opposite sex. Now, as far as 1.00

00:41:41.060 abortion, we are hearing that they want a national abortion ban in Project 2025, but that is not true,

00:41:48.760 right? No. Put in abortion ban. It does not exist in there. 0.97

00:41:53.040 They want it to be a state's issue, which is actually something that I disagree with. Like,

00:42:00.320 I think that there should be a constitutional personhood amendment because these are human

00:42:04.760 beings just as much as you're a human, just as much as I'm human. It should not be legal to

00:42:10.200 murder them. Just like slavery shouldn't have been a state's rights issue because you were talking about

00:42:16.020 subjugating human beings, treating them as subhuman. I also don't think abortion should be a state issue,

00:42:23.040 because you're talking about killing a human being. I know that people don't like to talk about it like

00:42:27.520 that. They like to talk about it in abstract terms, but you're talking about killing a person. And so

00:42:31.200 I don't think the fundamental human right to life should be up for debate or even up for a vote. I

00:42:37.860 understand that there are many conservatives who disagree with me. I'm just trying to point out that

00:42:41.820 Project 2025 is not even as conservative as many conservatives are when it comes to that. It's

00:42:50.580 really mostly focused on how the federal government has grown, how it is filled with predominantly

00:42:58.980 progressive ideologues and trying to reduce that, to dismantle that as much as possible,

00:43:06.040 to give power, yes, back to the states, but also back to the family and back to individuals and to

00:43:12.340 ensure that the family is, as it says, the centerpiece of American life. And all of the

00:43:21.460 different parts of this project are aimed at achieving that goal. Now, I do have a question,

00:43:28.780 Jessica. What does it say about pornography? It does say that they would,

00:43:34.040 the wording that was in that video, it says that they, it says their product is addictive

00:43:45.040 as any illicit drug and they psychological destructive as any crime. Pornography should

00:43:50.500 be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public

00:43:55.620 librarians who purvey it should be classified as sex offenders and telecommunication and technology

00:44:01.780 firms that facilitate it should be shuttered. But this was in the foreword written by the president.

00:44:08.020 So this was just his perception of these things that are going on in classrooms. And he was really

00:44:15.140 referencing child predators and child pornography. Yeah. So yes. And that was his foreword.

00:44:20.720 Right. Well, I, by the way, like I agree with that. This might not be a specific policy proposal

00:44:26.620 project 2025, but I agree with that. I have debated this subject. It was at the university of Dallas a

00:44:35.480 few months ago. It was me versus Charles CW cook of the national review moderated by Rod Dreher. And I

00:44:43.480 argued for the side of, uh, of banning pornography. I absolutely think that we should ban pornography.

00:44:51.820 It is the legal loophole for sex trafficking because age can't be verified. Consent cannot be verified.

00:45:01.680 And as long as you can monetize rape, as long as you can monetize sex at all, public sex, as long as 0.95

00:45:10.120 you can monetize and commodify people's bodies, people will profit from the sexual abuse of women and 0.99

00:45:19.180 children in particular. So that's just my aside. I am also not associated with project 2025 would

00:45:25.940 probably be even more conservative if I, if I were, um,

00:45:31.480 So here are claims made by Biden's campaign about project 2025. And here's our fact check based on

00:45:50.200 our reading of the actual document. So they say that they want to take away reproductive freedom

00:45:56.240 nationwide. The truth is, is that mandate for leadership calls for the government to comply with

00:46:00.580 laws that prevent federal funding of abortion. It all, it also calls for federal support of

00:46:05.860 alternatives to abortion, including adoption because duh, uh, uses the presidency for revenge 0.99

00:46:12.280 on Trump's political and personal enemies. That's what Biden is claiming, but that is false.

00:46:16.680 There is no mention or insinuation of political revenge. Project 2025 recommends ensuring the

00:46:21.980 assignment of sufficient political appointees throughout the department of justice and other

00:46:26.140 departments. The number of appointees serving throughout the department in prior administrations,

00:46:31.700 particularly during the Trump administration has not been sufficient either to stop that things

00:46:35.520 from happening through proper management or to promote the president's agenda. Like duh, again,

00:46:42.420 looking at Merrick Garland's DOJ right now, I mean, absolutely the henchmen of the Biden administration

00:46:49.360 going after Biden's political enemies and the enemies of the Democrat party, including just

00:46:55.300 concerned conservative parents and peaceful pro-lifers for violating an obscure law called the

00:47:02.100 FACE Act. I mean, throwing grandmothers, 70-something grandmothers in prison for standing in front of an 1.00

00:47:09.100 entrance to a murder mill, aka an abortion clinic. That's the current DOJ. And we're supposed to believe

00:47:17.500 that like we need to be scared of a Trump DOJ because they want to fill it with people that

00:47:24.340 align with the president's agenda. I mean, it's just crazy. It's all projection. They also claim that

00:47:30.020 it terminates the Constitution when in fact the opposite is true. Project 2025 reads, the surest way

00:47:37.600 to put the federal government back to work for the American people is to reduce its size and scope

00:47:42.120 back to something resembling the original constitutional intent. In the case of making the federal

00:47:47.320 government smaller, more effective and accountable. The simple answer is the Constitution itself. But

00:47:53.700 the Washington establishment doesn't want a constitutionally limited government because it

00:47:58.980 means they lose power and are held accountable by the people who put them in power. That's what is at

00:48:04.620 the crux of this fear mongering. The people in charge, especially Democrats, because again, they

00:48:11.220 predominantly fill the federal government. They do not want to lose power. They want to continue to grow

00:48:16.400 the size of the government without them ever having to achieve anything for you. So they get more

00:48:22.880 power. They get more prestige. They get more profit. That's what this comes down to. It also, according

00:48:30.820 to the Biden administration, Project 2025 consolidates power in the Oval Office. This is also not true.

00:48:38.820 Project 2025 proposes bringing the executive branch agencies or administrative state back under the control

00:48:44.460 of the executive. The administrative state has filled the void left by Congress's inability to make clear

00:48:51.220 meaningful laws despite or because of the fact that they are unelected and seemingly unfireable. Project

00:48:58.020 2025 school is to return the three branches of government to the proper checks and balances of the

00:49:04.680 Constitution. So again, they don't want unelected bureaucrats able to make these regulations that are harming your 1.00

00:49:12.060 life, harming your business. And the executive doesn't have the ability to fire them or hire them.

00:49:18.620 They're just there for life without any kind of consequence. Like you just continue to fail upward like

00:49:27.140 Anthony Fauci. He's continued to fail upward into more prominence and more power. The administrative

00:49:33.820 state holds 100 percent of its power at the sufferance of Congress and its insulation from presidential

00:49:39.400 discipline as an unconstitutional fairy tale spun by the Washington establishment to protect its turf.

00:49:45.460 Members of Congress shield themselves from constitutional accountability, often when the White House allows

00:49:50.140 them to get away with it. So some people read that as you're taking away checks and balances. Project 2025,

00:49:56.240 agree with it or not, sees that as adding in appropriate and originally intended checks and balances.

00:50:03.460 Biden also says it guts Democratic checks and balances on presidential power. Again, Project 2025

00:50:10.260 actually aims to restore the executive branch to the control of the executive rather than running

00:50:14.960 independently as unelected policy makers. This is what it says when it comes to ensuring that freedom

00:50:22.420 can flourish. Nothing is more important than deconstructing the centralized administrative state.

00:50:28.200 Political appointees who are answerable to the president and have decision making authority in the

00:50:32.440 executive branch are key to this essential task. The next administration must not see such

00:50:38.540 authority to nonpartisan experts who pursue their own ends while engaging in groupthink insulated from

00:50:44.700 American voters. Biden also says it gives handouts to the ultra wealthy paid for by working families. Fact

00:50:51.080 check false. In this section of the on the Department of the Treasury, Project 2025 lists their principles of

00:50:57.880 good tax policy. First, it says the tax system should raise the revenue necessary to fund a limited

00:51:04.420 government for constitutionally appropriate activities. They want the least economically destructive

00:51:11.720 forms of policy to have the least negative impact on your the taxpayers life. They want low tax rates on a

00:51:19.660 broad neutral tax base. They want to minimize interference with the operation of the free market and free

00:51:24.500 enterprise and minimize the cost to taxpayers of compliance with administration of the tax system.

00:51:30.840 Second, the tax system should minimize its adverse impact on the family and the core institutions of

00:51:36.440 civil society. Third, the tax system should be applied consistently with special privileges for none and

00:51:42.860 respect taxpayer due process and privacy rights. All right. So that is the fact check on what the Biden

00:51:52.960 administration is saying. And again, Trump is not associated with Project 2025, whether you like

00:52:00.020 the project or not. We got some other fact checks here about, OK, is Trump going to monitor the

00:52:07.880 pregnancies of women? What in the world? I know it's a lot to get through, but that's because there's so 0.99

00:52:14.160 much there's so much out there that we are trying to rebut. We're not even going to get into all the

00:52:19.800 subjects I want to talk about today, like the RNC changing its platform language. We'll have to do

00:52:23.600 that next week. OK, so you're hearing also from the Biden administration from the left that they

00:52:41.320 want to monitor women's pregnancies to like keep abortion in check or something like that. But here's

00:52:48.740 the truth. Monitoring is used only once in the Department of Health and Human Services section

00:52:55.740 of Project 2025. And it is recommended that the CDC monitor and report complications due to abortion

00:53:03.580 and children born alive. That is what they are recommending. That's what the left is freaking out

00:53:09.100 about, that they would recommend the CDC report on complications due to abortion and children born

00:53:16.100 alive. Huh. I wonder why the left wouldn't want that because children survive botched abortions 1.00

00:53:23.240 more than we realize. It's not reported because they are thrown away like medical waste. I know for

00:53:28.320 a fact that that's happening. There have been congressional testimonies from nurses. Jill Sinak, for one

00:53:34.860 example, the nurse that testified before Congress that she was working in a hospital where a baby was

00:53:42.140 aborted because I had Down syndrome around 22 weeks gestation, she found that baby struggling to breathe

00:53:49.140 in a janitor closet where he was pushed off to the side, where he was placed there, abandoned,

00:53:59.540 struggling to live after he survived an abortion. So Gloria Williams, that was a mother whose baby 1.00

00:54:06.860 survived an abortion. She screamed after she realized that her baby was born alive and they silenced her. 0.99

00:54:14.860 They put that baby in a medical waste bucket in an abortion clinic in Florida. Those are just two

00:54:22.180 instances that's happening way more than we realize in the United States. And there is no incentive.

00:54:30.500 There's no requirement in many cases for these abortion providers to report this kind of thing.

00:54:36.860 How absolutely horrifying and hellacious. And so, oh my goodness, Extremist Project 2025 wants states to

00:54:45.380 have to report that kind of thing. They say, because liberal states, this is page 455, because liberal

00:54:53.380 states have now become sanctuaries for abortion tourism, HHS should use every available tool, including the 0.92

00:54:59.180 cutting of funds to ensure that every state reports exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what

00:55:04.940 gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother's state of residence, and by what method. It should

00:55:10.820 also ensure that statistics are separated by category. Spontaneous miscarriage, treatments that

00:55:16.960 incidentally result in the death of a child, such as chemotherapy, stillbirths, and induced abortion.

00:55:24.640 The CDC should require monitoring and reporting for complications due to abortion in every instance of

00:55:31.800 children being born alive after an abortion. Moreover, abortion should be clearly defined

00:55:37.740 as only those procedures that intentionally end in unborn child's life. Miscarriage management or

00:55:44.020 standard ectopic pregnancy treatments should never be conflated with abortion. So that, that is what you

00:55:51.280 are hearing the left freak out about. Project 2025 mentions abortion 198 times, but not one of those times

00:55:58.900 doesn't mention anything about throwing women in jail for abortion. Again, there are conservatives that would

00:56:03.940 actually disagree with that. That would say, no, a woman should be punished by the law if it is proven through due 0.73

00:56:10.820 process that she intentionally aided the murder of her child. Project 2025 doesn't say that, though. There's no mention of a

00:56:17.620 state of a nationwide ban on abortion, as we've already mentioned in the forward. Project 2025 says this. Kevin

00:56:23.820 Robert says the next conservative president should work with Congress to enact the most robust protections

00:56:29.060 for the unborn that Congress will support while deploying existing federal powers to protect innocent

00:56:34.900 life and vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion. Conservatives

00:56:41.820 should ardently pursue these pro-life and pro-family policies while recognizing the many women who find

00:56:46.940 themselves in immensely difficult and often tragic situations and the heroism of every choice to become

00:56:52.760 the heroism of every choice to become a mother. Alternative options to abortion, especially adoption,

00:57:00.900 should receive federal and state support. That is what people are freaking out about.

00:57:09.820 Now, what about what Ayanna Pressley said about the death penalty? 0.99

00:57:13.580 Here's what Project 2025 says about the death penalty in the Department of Justice section of

00:57:19.540 the book of Mandate for Leadership. Enforce the death penalty where appropriate and applicable.

00:57:25.900 Capital punishment is a sensitive matter, as it should be, but the current crime wave makes deterrence

00:57:30.840 vital at the federal, state, and local levels. However, providing this punishment without ever enforcing it

00:57:36.040 provides justice neither for the victim's families nor for the defendant. The next conservative

00:57:41.360 administration should therefore do everything possible to obtain finality for the 44 prisoners

00:57:46.460 currently on federal death row. It should also pursue the death penalty for applicable crimes,

00:57:51.160 particularly heinous crimes involving violence and sexual abuse of children until Congress says

00:57:55.600 otherwise through legislation. Duh. Duh. That's not even as harsh, again, as many conservatives say.

00:58:04.320 The death penalty should absolutely be on the table, should be consistently given for capital murder,

00:58:13.220 for sex crimes against children, 100 percent. For child pornographers, 100 percent. Yes,

00:58:20.720 not even a question. You think that's controversial? Well, then something's wrong with you. Why don't

00:58:27.820 you want a child rapist to be executed? Why don't you want the person who has committed a heinous 0.99

00:58:35.220 murder against a woman or child or man, but I'm just listing some of the most vulnerable people

00:58:41.780 that are heinously murdered by the murderers on death row, why wouldn't you want them to be executed?

00:58:46.720 That is justice. Christians, don't be misguided by the progressive language about the death penalty

00:58:53.340 that it is categorically unjust. You can take issue with how it's applied. In some cases, it's not categorically

00:59:00.260 unjust because the God who created justice in Genesis 9 demands the death penalty for murder.

00:59:06.640 And that is pre-Israel. That's pre-civilization. And it's based in a principle that is still true today 0.98

00:59:12.320 that man was made in God's image. Genesis 9, 6. You can go check it out for yourself. And this country

00:59:20.540 is built on basic Christian principles. That doesn't mean it's a theocracy. It's just that

00:59:26.320 every law speaks to a moral worldview. The only question is ever which one. There's a reason why

00:59:32.180 we have Moses in our halls of power, depicted in our halls of power in Washington, D.C., and not Buddha,

00:59:41.260 okay? Like, we actually have a moral worldview on which our country and our laws are based and supposed

00:59:49.120 supposed to be based. She also says, remember that there are banned words in Project 2025. That is not

01:00:00.880 true. They do say that we should, in the institutions of American civil society, because they are targets

01:00:11.960 for woke culture warriors. We should get rid of terms like sexual orientation and gender identity, diversity, 0.86

01:00:20.300 equity, inclusion, gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender sensitive, abortion,

01:00:28.220 reproductive health, reproductive rights, any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights

01:00:33.480 out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.

01:00:39.940 agree with that. That doesn't mean you're not going to be able to use those terms. Her claim of book

01:00:45.140 bans, there was no mention of book bans in the entire 900 plus page document. What Project 2025 does

01:00:52.100 want to ban? In the Department of Education section, Project 2025 proposes that no public education employee

01:00:57.900 or contractor shall use a name to address a student other than the name listed on the student's birth

01:01:03.600 certificate without the written permission of the student's parents or guardians. It makes the same 0.86

01:01:09.240 recommendation for pronouns that differ from the student's biological sex. Yeah, of course, again,

01:01:17.520 duh, duh. Students should not or parents should not be cut out of those kinds of decisions. Social

01:01:24.860 transition for a child can lead to lifelong consequences. It can lead to a child being taken out of their parent's

01:01:33.460 custody, which then can make them ripe for all kinds of abuse. Ayanna Pressley says abortion care that 0.99

01:01:42.400 oxymoron would be inaccessible and illegal no matter where you live. And as we've already mentioned,

01:01:49.560 Project 2025 does not say that. They do not say that. They've got some more fact checks on their acts.

01:01:59.200 Okay, we've got some more fact checks from Project 2025 itself. Now, President Trump, as I said,

01:02:16.880 has disavowed it. He said, Oh, I'm not. I'm not a part of it. J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio have also

01:02:25.100 been fielding questions about this because they are vying for that VP spot, in my opinion. Both of

01:02:30.800 them have been way too squishy about it. They've been way too squishy on things like abortion. And

01:02:37.480 again, I wanted to get into all of that today with the change to the RNC platform, which was completely

01:02:42.340 sketchy and corrupt and terrible and anti-pro-life in many ways and just completely unnecessary.

01:02:52.420 But we just don't have time to get into all of that today. I just don't think all of this

01:02:58.540 disavowing needs to happen, even though it is true that Project 2025 is not officially associated with

01:03:04.600 President Trump. Like by disavowing Project 2025, which has a lot of important features to it,

01:03:13.080 which just again has a lot of mainstream conservative features to it, you're not winning anyone over.

01:03:19.280 You're not going to all of a sudden get an independent who hated Donald Trump to vote for

01:03:24.200 Donald Trump now. You think the left is going to back off because President Trump says I'm not

01:03:30.140 associated with this? They're not. They're just going to double down. So all you're doing is

01:03:35.680 potentially pissing off some conservatives who actually like a lot of the points in Project 2025. 0.96

01:03:41.520 Same thing with the changes to the RNC platform. You're just pissing off pro-lifers and evangelicals,

01:03:47.280 who, as I heard it said this weekend by Ryan Anderson, have really become like the cheap date

01:03:51.640 of the Republican Party. Buy us a couple of drinks. We'll still do what you want to do

01:03:56.040 because at least you're not the left. It's a really bad system that Republicans have been placed in.

01:04:01.520 And unfortunately, even though I think it's maybe it's the right pragmatic political choice for

01:04:07.500 President Trump to distance himself for Project 2025 right now, I'm not really sure that it's

01:04:13.380 accomplishing him that much. I am just not sure about it. Again, the fact is we should just kind

01:04:20.600 of like ignore any questions or fear mongering in these interviews about Project 2025 and point out

01:04:27.380 how truly radical the Democrats are and have proven themselves to be not just some like left wing

01:04:32.880 think tank, but what Biden has actually done and really does concretely stand for. Anyway,

01:04:39.080 here's Project 2025 response to a lot of this stuff. So, as I said, Mark Hamill, he lists in this

01:04:45.660 infographic all of the things that Project 2025 is going to do, like in no fault divorce. Project 2025

01:04:52.760 says divorce is not mentioned in our policy handbook at all. Number two, complete ban on abortions. 0.99

01:04:59.020 They say, nope, as we've already mentioned, that's actually not something that they are calling for.

01:05:04.000 They are calling for federal support of alternatives to abortion. Ban contraceptives.

01:05:08.700 They say false. Mandate for leadership says nothing about banning or even restricting contraception.

01:05:13.380 Number four, additional tax breaks for corporations and the one percent. They said this is misleading.

01:05:18.740 They are calling for lower taxes for all Americans to stimulate economic growth and put more money in

01:05:23.520 Americans' pockets. Higher taxes for the working class. They say that's false. We call for lower

01:05:29.680 taxes for all Americans. Elimination of unions and worker protections. Mandate for leadership says this

01:05:35.680 is or Project 2025 says this is false. Mandate for leadership presents different ideas about a

01:05:40.720 conservative labor policy. It calls for combating the accesses of the deep state's bloated federal

01:05:46.480 employee unions. Raise the retirement age. False. Raising the retirement age is nowhere advocated for

01:05:53.900 in mandate for leadership. Cut social security. False. Mandate for leadership does not advocate

01:05:59.460 cutting social security and Affordable Care Act. False. Mandate for leadership offers policy suggestions

01:06:05.240 to curb the abuses of the ACA. Raise prescription drug prices. False. Mandate for leadership offers proposals

01:06:13.260 to lower drug prices through competition and innovation. Eliminate the Department of Education.

01:06:19.520 True. True. They say. Mandate for leadership calls for an end to the Department of Education. Since the

01:06:26.280 Department was created, educational outcomes have not improved. That goes back to what we were saying

01:06:30.200 earlier. Use public taxpayer money for private religious schools. True. They say families should have the

01:06:38.240 choice to send their children to these schools so the money should be given to the parents to basically

01:06:44.520 make that choice. Now, there's a lot of conservatives that may disagree with that because then you have

01:06:51.000 public funding of private schools, which could mean that there are strings attached that you are going

01:06:57.640 to be beholden to certain policies by the government if you take money from the federal government.

01:07:05.100 There's a debate over that, like within conservatives, what the best method is there as far as school

01:07:13.420 choice and school freedom. Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools. They say that's false.

01:07:20.360 They advocate for all educational opportunities and for parental rights and education in free and

01:07:25.960 discounted school lunch programs. That is false. It is actually, let me just say, the Biden

01:07:31.820 administration that has done that. They are the ones that have threatened schools who do not comply

01:07:37.740 with Title IX changes to allow boys into girls' bathrooms and locker rooms with removing free lunches

01:07:43.920 for poor students. That's a fact. We've talked about that on that show. We will include the link in this

01:07:50.480 description. End civil rights and DEI protections in government. They say this is mostly false. We've

01:07:56.680 covered that. They want to end race-based anti-American propaganda in the federal workforce.

01:08:03.340 Ban black people and gender studies or black and gender studies in all levels of education. False. 0.63

01:08:09.760 They don't even mention this. Ban books and curriculum about slavery. False. They do not advocate for that.

01:08:16.400 End climate protections. False. They just want to become energy independent.

01:08:20.340 Get rid of regulations that hurt farmers, hunters, fishers, because they know how to protect our

01:08:25.220 environment better than D.C. bureaucrats, which is true. Increase Arctic drilling. They say this is

01:08:31.040 true. They say this actually helps us be energy independent. Deregulate big business and the oil

01:08:37.200 industry. They say this is mostly true. They want fewer burdensome regulations on all businesses.

01:08:43.080 Promote and expedite capital punishment. They say this is true. It calls for the enforcement of the

01:08:49.360 federal death penalty where appropriate and applicable. Not getting rid of due process.

01:08:54.240 End marriage equality. They say this is false. The legal recognition of same-sex marriage is not

01:08:59.100 discussed. And mandate for leadership. Mandate calls for the protection of faith-based grant recipients

01:09:04.980 who maintain support for the federal for the traditional definition of marriage mandate also

01:09:10.200 supports conscience protections for those who do not wish to participate in same-sex marriages,

01:09:14.400 which, by the way, the left has been pushing the Equality Act, which is against both of those things.

01:09:19.220 It is for discriminating against faith-based institutions who do not recognize the holiness

01:09:24.560 of two men or two women coming together in what they deem a marriage. Condemn single mothers while 1.00

01:09:31.320 promoting only traditional families. This is false. They don't mention that. They do want to encourage

01:09:37.800 marriage work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families, though. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security.

01:09:44.400 They say this is false. They want to de-weaponize the federal government. They are not trying to

01:09:48.840 actually defund those institutions. Use military to break up domestic protests. They say this is

01:09:54.780 false. And this is not anywhere mentioned or even implied in their playbook. Mass deportation of

01:10:04.440 immigrants and incarceration in camps. This is misleading. They do support an orderly and lawful

01:10:11.180 immigration system. They do want to deport illegal immigrants and they want to put an end to President 0.98

01:10:17.260 Biden's border crisis and enforce immigration laws. There's no concentration camps that they are

01:10:22.320 talking about here. End birthright citizenship. False. There's no mention of that. Ban Muslims from 1.00

01:10:27.740 entering the country. False. There's no mention of that. Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, 0.99

01:10:33.700 EPA, EPA, and more. False. They would not eliminate the FDA or EPA. They would be transferred. The functions

01:10:42.400 would be transferred to other agencies, the private sector and states and territories. Continue to pack

01:10:47.300 the Supreme Court and lower courts with right-wing judges. That, again, it's not the definition of

01:10:53.540 court packing. Court packing would be what the left wants to do, which is expand the Supreme Court and 0.89

01:10:58.840 then pack it with left-wing ideologues. What the right has done is what every administration has

01:11:04.840 done. You appoint judges and justices that align with the Constitution, that align with your values.

01:11:12.900 That's what both parties do. That is part of the constitutional powers of the president and of

01:11:17.380 Congress to be able to appoint and approve of those judges. But Project 2025 says this is false.

01:11:24.640 And they say the only people calling for PAC in the judiciary are those on the left. So, man,

01:11:31.060 there is more that we could say about this. But that's, I mean, we've already gone really long

01:11:35.800 today. My hope was to have a more abbreviated episode. LOL. LOL. This is such a big subject that

01:11:43.000 we could get into even more. And like I said, we probably will. Thanks to my team for all of the

01:11:49.140 research on this. This took a lot of effort reading organization to sift through. And while I do

01:11:55.220 encourage you to read it for yourself, I want you to because I want you to know the facts. I definitely

01:12:00.220 am not trained. I would never want to gatekeep this. Understand when one side doesn't want you to read

01:12:07.500 the source of a controversy and only wants you to listen to their commentary on it, they're probably

01:12:14.260 lying. Okay? That's a pretty good rule of thumb. I always, if I am talking about a sermon, I'm talking

01:12:20.740 about an interview, I'm talking about a Bible passage, I'm talking about an article, I'm talking

01:12:24.740 about a document like this, I'm talking about a Supreme Court case, I'm talking about a law,

01:12:28.540 I always want you to go to the source and read it for yourself. A lot of you don't have time to do

01:12:34.980 that, which is why you listen to me and watch me, which is great. But I want you to know that it is

01:12:39.240 always available to you. I want you to go see the full context. And I want you to fact check me,

01:12:45.680 I want you to push back against me based on what you are reading. The person or the side that does

01:12:52.840 not want you to do that is lying. Okay? So go to the source yourself. You can read it all for yourself.

01:12:58.780 But I hope that I've done a good job at explaining this as much as possible and giving you

01:13:03.600 a summary. I'll be at a kind of long summary about what this actually is. And the fear mongering is

01:13:12.040 just going to increase. So keep your level head. And if you don't have the ability to refute exactly

01:13:18.980 what someone is saying about this, ask them the question. That's how you deal with these kinds of

01:13:25.360 hysterical conversations. Where did you read that? Can I read what you read that led you to make that

01:13:33.240 conclusion? Where are you getting that information? Well, have you thought about this? Or what about

01:13:38.740 this? Are you sure about this? Start to have the conversation. And as you have those back and forth

01:13:44.820 with questions that make them think, one, they'll start thinking about it rather than just repeating

01:13:49.980 the talking points as long as they don't shut you down in anger. But also, it'll give you some time

01:13:55.680 to really think about it and get to the core of these issues. Because at the end of the day,

01:14:00.160 the left disagrees with these things because they disagree with them. They disagree with them

01:14:05.360 politically. But the left can no longer just disagree with something. It becomes this existential

01:14:11.540 threat to democracy. Remember, here's the rule of thumb that we've been talking about.

01:14:17.240 To the left, authoritarianism is democracy that they don't like. And democracy is authoritarianism

01:14:26.000 that they do like. Okay? So, when you remember that and when you see their claims through that

01:14:32.420 lens, you can see that most of what they say is hypocrisy and projection. All right? That doesn't mean

01:14:39.340 that we can't hold our own side to account, that we can't, you know, call out our side when we are wrong

01:14:46.560 because we absolutely can and our side is wrong plenty of times. But as I've heard someone say,

01:14:54.560 we cannot progress if we don't live in a shared reality. And we have to live in the shared reality

01:15:02.660 of what Project 2025 actually says, of what the facts really are. And we are contending against

01:15:10.660 a side that doesn't think that a baby is a person until it passes through the birth canal and maybe

01:15:15.920 for a few minutes after, and also believes that a man can become a woman. And that is why we are

01:15:23.980 having the issues that we are having because we have very fundamental existential disagreements

01:15:29.140 about human nature, human rights, where rights come from, what the foundation of our country is.

01:15:38.700 So, just remember that. That really, like, our disagreements today are so theological in nature,

01:15:46.420 and so much else is just noise. And so, we still have gnats in the studio. So, that's why I am waving

01:15:53.700 like a crazy person. So, just remember that in all your conversations with your friends leading up

01:16:00.260 to the election. All right. That's all we got time for today. Go to sharethearrows.com, by the way.

01:16:06.160 Sharethearrows.com. We've got our event coming up September 28th. We're super pumped about it.

01:16:09.900 And we will see you guys back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 11, 2024

Ep 1032 ｜ Project 2025： Truth vs. Lies

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