Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1035 ｜ Katy Perry & the Death of Cringe Feminism ｜ Guests： Rachel Holt & Chris Wallin

00:00:00.880 Katy Perry has a new song out that's supposed to be some kind of feminist anthem, but it's 1.00

00:00:07.000 really just a flop.

00:00:07.980 We've got a take on this cringe fest on today's episode of Relatable, but we are also showcasing

00:00:13.180 an actually amazing song.

00:00:15.720 We've got Rachel Holt and Chris Wallen here.

00:00:17.900 They are performing their new pro-life song, I Was Gonna Be.

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00:00:24.240 You're gonna cry, but it's really, really beautiful and profound.

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00:00:47.180 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:48.920 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:50.000 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week.

00:00:52.720 Man, oh man, I am just kind of exhausted by the new cycle right now.

00:00:57.640 Since Saturday, it has been just nonstop.

00:01:01.960 The information that is coming out with every single bit of breaking news, it seems like

00:01:06.920 you're having to interrupt talking about breaking news to talk about more breaking news, and then

00:01:11.900 you have to interrupt that to talk about more breaking news.

00:01:14.720 It just feels nonstop.

00:01:16.020 I'm curious if y'all feel tired by the news cycle, tired by the just onslaught of breaking

00:01:23.980 news, or if you feel like this insatiable hunger to know everything that's going on.

00:01:29.640 I started with the insatiable hunger, and now I've kind of crashed.

00:01:34.160 I feel like I've kind of been on adrenaline for the past few days, and now I am very tired

00:01:39.520 of talking about the news.

00:01:41.360 And so we're going to take a little bit of a break from talking about politics today.

00:01:46.140 I'll just give you a little bit of a summary of everything that's going on.

00:01:50.380 We talked about Monday and yesterday, what happened over the weekend with President Trump,

00:01:55.540 and also with the announcement of J.D. Vance.

00:01:58.560 We talked about the RNC yesterday, some of the changes to the Republican platform, some

00:02:04.320 of the speakers that were platformed at the RNC, what to make of all of that.

00:02:09.280 A lot of you have been asking me, what did I think about the Sikh prayer?

00:02:12.880 We did talk about that yesterday, so you can go check that out if you want to know my thoughts

00:02:17.440 and analysis on that.

00:02:19.800 And the RNC is continuing.

00:02:21.760 I'll just give you a little update there.

00:02:24.280 It is still going on in Milwaukee.

00:02:26.620 I caught some of the highlights of some of the speeches yesterday.

00:02:30.020 There's not really that much for me to analyze for you, but there were some really good, powerful

00:02:36.160 speeches.

00:02:36.720 There was a speech from a mom of a man who was killed in New York City, and then his murders

00:02:43.680 were let off the hook by a corrupt prosecutor, Alvin Bragg.

00:02:49.560 There was a mom of a young person who was killed by a fentanyl overdose.

00:02:58.020 Of course, that links to the open border policies that are pushed by Democrats.

00:03:02.460 There was a really powerful speech by Nikki Haley coming out in full support of Donald Trump.

00:03:08.240 There was also a powerful speech by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas.

00:03:14.260 She looks amazing, sounds amazing.

00:03:17.340 She is so well-loved by the Republican Party, by Trump's campaign, because she has been a big

00:03:24.620 supporter of the president since she was press secretary.

00:03:27.260 And also, she is just very loved by the people of Arkansas because she's doing an amazing,

00:03:33.040 amazing job.

00:03:34.540 I loved how she balanced, y'all should go watch the speech.

00:03:38.400 It's a pretty short speech, but it really packed a punch.

00:03:41.520 I loved how she balanced supporting President Trump and encouraging President Trump, talking

00:03:46.520 about his accomplishments and his strength while dovetailing that with what she has accomplished

00:03:51.620 for the state of Arkansas.

00:03:53.340 She did that really, really well.

00:03:55.660 And so there were a lot of great speeches.

00:03:58.480 Of course, there's going to be a lot of disagreement about the new platform of the Republican Party

00:04:03.700 and the kinds of people that the Republican Party is bringing in to its tent.

00:04:08.560 I have my own complaints about that.

00:04:10.360 But yesterday, as far as a political convention goes, I thought that it was pretty good and

00:04:15.560 the message from Republicans was pretty strong.

00:04:19.800 All right.

00:04:20.160 That's all I got to say about that's all I got to say about politics for now.

00:04:23.200 We're going to take a little bit of a break.

00:04:24.640 We're going to talk tomorrow again about something political, the law that was passed in California

00:04:31.000 regarding kids who are confused about their gender.

00:04:35.160 But today, we're going to talk about some pop culture stuff, y'all.

00:04:37.900 We're going to talk about Katy Perry.

00:04:39.960 Katy Perry.

00:04:40.640 Now, this is someone I have not thought about.

00:04:42.500 She has not crossed my mind in a very long time.

00:04:45.560 Actually, I was first reintroduced to her existence when I watched American Idol.

00:04:52.540 I had not watched an episode of American Idol since I don't know when that was, when Kelly

00:04:58.780 Clarkson won.

00:05:00.080 2000?

00:05:01.900 Yeah, I know it was season one, but 2000?

00:05:04.540 2001?

00:05:05.700 I think so, yeah.

00:05:06.400 I think, okay, if it was 2000, then I would have been in second, third grade, I think.

00:05:14.260 And so I remember calling my friend.

00:05:17.040 I was like sitting on my parents' bed and I remember calling my friend on the landline

00:05:21.360 and being like, oh my gosh, I still remember that song that she sang and exactly what it

00:05:26.040 looked like.

00:05:26.460 I hadn't watched American Idol since then.

00:05:28.000 And then I watched it a couple months ago when I was reintroduced to Katy Perry.

00:05:33.920 And I was very disappointed to find that the judges on American Idol are now so incredibly

00:05:40.420 positive.

00:05:41.320 They're just so nice.

00:05:43.600 There's not even anything close to Simon Cowell.

00:05:46.420 Now, I think that there could be a balance between Simon Cowell wanting you to die in front

00:05:52.640 of him on stage and then what we see from the judges now, which is like, oh, you can do

00:05:57.920 no wrong.

00:05:58.620 If you want to carry a tune, that's fine.

00:06:00.660 If you don't, then that's okay too.

00:06:03.100 And so I think there could be a little bit of a balance.

00:06:06.000 But Katy Perry, she is a judge on American Idol, but that's not all she's doing. 0.81

00:06:10.200 She is still singing, y'all.

00:06:11.520 She's still a pop artist.

00:06:13.040 She has a baby now.

00:06:14.040 So I think that's wonderful with Orlando Bloom. 0.99

00:06:16.500 But now she's coming out with some trash music. 1.00

00:06:19.420 And I'm not saying trash quality necessarily. 0.92

00:06:22.200 She does have a beautiful voice, but the values behind the song and then who's behind it,

00:06:27.920 it's a little disturbing.

00:06:30.260 So she's got a new feminist anthem called Woman's World. 1.00

00:06:36.380 And we can't even play you the chorus because it's risque.

00:06:39.340 And I'm certainly not asking you to go watch the music video, but I'll just give you a

00:06:43.060 little taste of it.

00:06:43.920 Here's Sot 10.

00:06:44.600 Sexy, confident.

00:06:49.820 So intelligent.

00:06:53.820 She is heaven sent.

00:06:57.240 So soft.

00:06:59.300 So strong.

00:07:02.240 Actually, awful.

00:07:05.080 Awful.

00:07:06.300 Like she has a good voice, Brie.

00:07:08.940 She does.

00:07:09.500 I heard it, but with the auto tune and what is that?

00:07:14.680 Okay.

00:07:15.500 Let me just sexy, confident.

00:07:18.020 So intelligent.

00:07:20.120 She is heaven sent.

00:07:22.220 So soft.

00:07:23.360 So strong.

00:07:24.120 So soft.

00:07:24.700 So strong.

00:07:25.460 So soft.

00:07:26.180 So strong.

00:07:27.180 Like Charmin Ultra.

00:07:29.680 She's a winner. 0.82

00:07:30.940 Champion.

00:07:32.060 Superhuman.

00:07:32.900 Number one.

00:07:33.500 She's a sister.

00:07:38.600 She's a mother.

00:07:39.900 Open your eyes.

00:07:40.980 Just look around and you'll discover, you know, it's a woman's world and you're lucky 0.98

00:07:46.620 to be living in it.

00:07:47.960 It's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. 1.00

00:07:51.180 You better celebrate because baby, we ain't going away.

00:07:55.140 It's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. 1.00

00:07:59.960 Oh, let me just do verse two and then we'll talk about it.

00:08:03.500 Fire in her eyes.

00:08:04.700 Feminine divine.

00:08:06.520 She was born to shine, to shine, to shine.

00:08:09.620 Yeah.

00:08:10.160 We couldn't think of anything else that women are born to do. 1.00

00:08:14.140 She's a flower. 0.88

00:08:15.120 She's a thorn. 0.89

00:08:16.220 Superhuman. 0.98

00:08:16.800 Number one.

00:08:17.940 You know you're smart if you're rhyming thorn with one.

00:08:21.140 She's a sister.

00:08:22.220 She's a mother.

00:08:23.360 Open your eyes.

00:08:24.180 Just look around and you'll discover, you know, it's a woman's world. 1.00

00:08:29.560 Brie, you like music.

00:08:31.600 What did you think about this song?

00:08:33.820 I'd just like to note that it took five people to write this song.

00:08:37.660 Yeah.

00:08:38.560 Well, when you're rhyming thorn with one and women are born to shine and to shine and also 1.00

00:08:45.140 to shine.

00:08:45.960 Also to shine.

00:08:46.960 That takes five people.

00:08:48.780 They workshopped that one for sure.

00:08:50.880 Yeah.

00:08:51.540 Oh my goodness.

00:08:52.180 Do you think Katy Perry, did she have a hand in writing this?

00:08:54.840 She's a co-writer, but I have a feeling that she just bought the song.

00:08:59.860 Like they had already written it and she bought it, which is what a lot of pop stars do. 0.93

00:09:03.740 Do you think it's catchy? 1.00

00:09:04.420 Because sometimes the lyrics are stupid. 1.00

00:09:07.580 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:08.060 But it's catchy.

00:09:08.680 Okay.

00:09:08.940 Like for example, sometimes a 32 year old mama here will just go on the, you know, hot charts 0.99

00:09:17.640 on Spotify, whatever it's called and just like listen to some of the songs so I can like

00:09:22.540 understand what the kids are listening to these days.

00:09:24.960 So I have heard of someone named Sabrina Carber. 0.63

00:09:28.480 What?

00:09:29.340 Carter.

00:09:30.020 Sabrina Carter.

00:09:31.300 Carpenter.

00:09:32.700 Carpenter.

00:09:33.160 Carpenter.

00:09:33.860 Yeah.

00:09:34.140 That's why I got it wrong.

00:09:36.380 Oh, I'm too old for this.

00:09:38.300 Okay.

00:09:38.740 Sabrina Carpenter.

00:09:40.360 Thank you for the correction. 0.60

00:09:42.180 And her lyrics are silly, but really catchy.

00:09:47.160 Like I could, I probably only listened to it once and I could probably sing you that

00:09:51.080 please, please, please song.

00:09:52.860 Yeah.

00:09:53.720 So do you think this song is catchy like that?

00:09:57.060 Even though the lyrics are like, I don't know, room temperature IQ.

00:10:03.500 Okay.

00:10:04.000 So I don't, I think that, I think it's catchy because it's been stuck in my head for days.

00:10:08.760 Okay.

00:10:09.380 Specifically that first part.

00:10:10.880 Wow.

00:10:11.180 I've already forgotten what it sounds like.

00:10:13.020 We'll see.

00:10:13.420 You're going to hear it like a couple of times on the radio or something and it's not going

00:10:16.720 to leave your head.

00:10:17.380 Do you listen to the radio?

00:10:18.600 It's an earworm.

00:10:19.100 Do you listen to the radio?

00:10:20.280 No, I don't.

00:10:21.020 Okay.

00:10:21.340 That's something people say though.

00:10:22.620 Okay.

00:10:23.920 But no, it's super catchy, but I don't think it's catchy in the way that I'm like, oh,

00:10:27.480 I want to listen to that again.

00:10:28.980 Yeah.

00:10:29.280 It's just stuck in there.

00:10:31.400 Yeah.

00:10:32.100 Yeah.

00:10:32.440 Like, like catching a cold, that kind of thing, something that you don't want, but you're

00:10:37.740 like, I can't stop coughing.

00:10:39.120 Doesn't it kind of seem like it was written by AI?

00:10:42.420 I wouldn't be surprised if it was, and they didn't even copy edit it.

00:10:46.640 They're like, no, this is good.

00:10:48.180 Yeah.

00:10:49.820 Okay.

00:10:50.480 Well, uh, the media has something to say about this and about Katy Perry in general.

00:10:55.060 And there's also some background to the song.

00:10:57.220 And we're not just talking about the song because it's bad.

00:10:59.760 There's, uh, some interesting aspects of, uh, the song that people are pointing out

00:11:05.180 and who wrote it and all that.

00:11:18.160 Okay.

00:11:18.860 Bri, can you tell us this woman's world song that's supposed to be a feminist anthem that's 1.00

00:11:24.300 supposed to make you and I feel really empowered?

00:11:28.200 Uh, who, who wrote this song and why is that significant?

00:11:32.560 Yeah.

00:11:32.800 So there were six, I guess six writers actually.

00:11:37.820 Um, and five, four of them are men.

00:11:42.040 Oh, so more than half, um, are male for a woman's world.

00:11:48.880 Um, also outside of the writers, uh, the music video, which we can talk more about, um, was

00:11:57.260 all the producers on it were male.

00:11:59.380 The choreographer was male.

00:12:01.120 The producers of the song, the three male producers, three male producers.

00:12:05.400 So there are women that worked on it too, but the majority of the people who worked on 1.00

00:12:10.820 this song are male.

00:12:12.200 And isn't Scooter Braun a part of this?

00:12:14.460 No, it's Dr. Luke.

00:12:16.160 Oh, oh, oh, oh, Dr. Luke.

00:12:19.700 And he was the one that Kesha accused of sexual abuse, right?

00:12:25.660 Yeah.

00:12:26.100 And other women too. 1.00

00:12:27.600 Yes.

00:12:27.980 Other women too. 1.00

00:12:29.060 And it's like pretty serious allegations too.

00:12:32.880 Yeah.

00:12:33.160 So, and so on this feminist anthem, not only is it mostly headed up by men, also by a pretty 1.00

00:12:42.660 credibly accused sexual abuser. 0.96

00:12:46.200 Yeah. 0.87

00:12:46.560 This feminist anthem. 0.98

00:12:47.840 And a lot of people are pointing this out online, that this is just very hypocritical. 0.91

00:12:53.260 Yeah.

00:12:53.520 This is originally why when she teased the song, people already were giving it flack because,

00:13:00.120 because she produced it because Dr. Luke produced it.

00:13:03.240 Yeah.

00:13:03.960 Yeah.

00:13:04.200 He was in the news a couple of years ago because of the Kesha thing.

00:13:06.520 So.

00:13:07.000 Right.

00:13:07.360 You would just think that she would have been able to find someone who wasn't accused of

00:13:12.540 sexual abuse or just find a woman.

00:13:14.900 Are there no women in this women's world that can produce this? 1.00

00:13:20.420 Okay.

00:13:20.720 Well, the cut has a personal vendetta, it seems like, against Katy Perry.

00:13:26.420 I saw this post the other day.

00:13:28.920 I don't even know if I follow the cut, but Instagram decided to show it to me.

00:13:33.180 And the cut is an outlet, an online news outlet, and it discusses pop culture.

00:13:40.620 And here's the title of the article, Katy Perry is stuck in 2016, which explains why the pop

00:13:45.880 stars album rollout has been so confusing.

00:13:48.520 This caption just goes in, just goes in on Katy Perry.

00:13:52.560 I don't even know why.

00:13:53.900 Um, but here's what the caption says.

00:13:57.700 We used to know who Katy Perry was over a decade ago in the aftermath of the great recession.

00:14:02.940 Perry satisfied our national appetite for youth frivolity and hedonism.

00:14:06.820 So true.

00:14:07.820 Who is Katy Perry now? 0.99

00:14:09.500 Most of all, she's a 2010s relic. 0.81

00:14:11.800 Well, Katy's back and everything about the rollout for her new album, 143 reeks of desperation.

00:14:17.940 What the streams reveal, vacant lyrics, ill-advised guests, very obvious samples, an album that

00:14:23.700 will almost certainly flop.

00:14:25.500 What people want from Katy Perry is fantasy, escapism, woman's world. 1.00

00:14:29.300 The lead single out today comes off so forgettable, so cringe that it overshadows the blatant hypocrisy 0.63

00:14:35.240 of having an alleged predator produce it. 0.82

00:14:39.560 Dang.

00:14:40.600 Dang.

00:14:41.700 Brutal.

00:14:42.060 Um, there are some other quotes from the article.

00:14:45.240 She says, she's a proud liberal who wears persist armbands to the Grammys and remains committed

00:14:51.400 to empowerment politics, even though its integration into her music, purposeful pop, as she branded

00:14:57.280 it, precipitated her plunge.

00:14:59.860 Duh, because as this person noted, people want escapism.

00:15:03.640 People don't want politics from someone like Katy Perry. 1.00

00:15:06.220 Um, most of all, she's a 2010s relic, a faded pop star, frantically attempting to clamor back 0.57

00:15:12.660 to relevance, only to be thwarted by her inability to tell up from down.

00:15:18.040 Oh my goodness.

00:15:19.220 Did you know that she also released an album during the pandemic?

00:15:22.040 Probably not.

00:15:23.480 That's so true.

00:15:24.320 I didn't know that.

00:15:25.700 Perry is like Barbie in Barbie land, stuck in la-di-da dimension in which Hillary Clinton

00:15:30.300 is still the Democratic presidential nominee, male tears mugs, make bank on Etsy, and the

00:15:36.260 most transgressive thing a celebrity can do is sing fight song. 1.00

00:15:40.620 Oh my goodness.

00:15:41.500 Do you remember that, Brie?

00:15:43.000 Oh yeah.

00:15:43.800 Of course.

00:15:43.820 I still listen to it.

00:15:45.420 Whenever I see it on X, it pops up every few months.

00:15:47.940 I listen to it.

00:15:48.680 I watch the whole thing.

00:15:51.040 People don't, might not know what I'm talking about.

00:15:53.200 It's like a montage of all these different celebrities, some who can sing and some who

00:15:57.240 can't, singing the different lines of fight song in support of Hillary Clinton. 0.78

00:16:03.440 Never forget.

00:16:04.600 Yeah.

00:16:05.160 2016 is when that came out.

00:16:07.320 I'm just, I'm still just trying to calculate how in the world she lost after that.

00:16:11.380 I know.

00:16:12.480 It had to be Russia. 0.63

00:16:13.620 I know.

00:16:14.560 I can't believe they haven't tried it since.

00:16:16.260 Yeah.

00:16:16.500 I mean, if you have Jesse Tyler Ferguson singing fight song, it had to be Putin that got Trump 0.51

00:16:24.400 elected.

00:16:25.020 I just, I don't know.

00:16:26.300 I don't know what else to make of that.

00:16:28.580 But I think this is actually such an accurate read on this song.

00:16:32.660 This like, oh, I'm woman, hear me roar.

00:16:36.120 And it's interesting to hear this from a liberal perspective that they understand that that's

00:16:41.360 not where we are anymore.

00:16:42.660 Yeah.

00:16:43.040 That that brand of liberal is actually very cringe.

00:16:46.740 Yep.

00:16:46.980 And I know that Katy Perry is not even trying to be a part of this whole conversation, but

00:16:52.040 my husband and I have been talking about how conservatism is changing.

00:16:56.600 Like the right, the left, the dynamics are shifting to where the right now encompasses

00:17:02.640 a lot of people, includes a lot of people that are considered by the mainstream.

00:17:06.380 Cool.

00:17:07.200 And I'm talking like barstool kind of conservatives.

00:17:11.440 And so you've got like the Dave Portnoy's.

00:17:14.900 You've got the, what's that guy, Logan?

00:17:18.700 Logan Paul?

00:17:19.720 Logan Paul.

00:17:20.540 I don't know if you consider him cool, but he's like pro Donald Trump.

00:17:24.920 I mean, obviously he has a big platform.

00:17:26.980 I'm not saying that they call themselves conservative, but they're not liberals like, or they don't

00:17:33.060 consider themselves liberals.

00:17:34.440 We've got this kind of like new edgy, secular, probably still liberal, socially UFC, Theo Vaughn

00:17:45.860 type people who now are kind of like a subset of the right, whether they call themselves that

00:17:54.300 or not.

00:17:54.780 And this like Hillary Clinton fight song, I'm woman, hear me roar brand of liberalism

00:18:01.040 is seen now as really cringe and dorky, which is why I think you even have a lot of Gen 1.00

00:18:07.540 Z, especially Gen Z males being like, oh my gosh, like feminism and all that stuff. 0.97

00:18:13.400 It's just so lame.

00:18:14.740 And Trump is almost seen as cool now, which is such a shift.

00:18:20.120 Yeah.

00:18:20.940 Do you see that?

00:18:22.320 Oh yeah.

00:18:22.780 Yeah.

00:18:23.340 I mean, especially due to the events of the past couple of weeks, well, his being indicted,

00:18:30.040 but also the shooting, obviously.

00:18:33.460 He just keeps doing things that people are like, okay, I kind of see it now.

00:18:38.260 And we talked about, I think it was yesterday that people are like starting to be less and

00:18:43.540 less ashamed to wear MAGA hats in public, which is crazy.

00:18:47.220 In San Francisco.

00:18:48.160 In San Francisco.

00:18:49.340 Yeah.

00:18:49.500 So I definitely do see it.

00:18:50.840 I was kind of surprised to see like someone on the left call this cringe.

00:18:55.220 I was, but it is.

00:18:57.140 So I guess we're all seeing it.

00:18:58.680 Yeah.

00:18:59.020 And I wonder, I do wonder if the song was written like in 2016.

00:19:04.200 Yeah.

00:19:04.560 True.

00:19:04.680 And she was just like, this is a, this is a pop song and I'm going to release it now.

00:19:08.200 And she just totally was like blind to that.

00:19:11.400 Yeah.

00:19:11.760 I don't know.

00:19:12.820 Okay.

00:19:13.220 I'm going to do something that is maybe a little bit dangerous.

00:19:19.340 I want to have an objective conversation.

00:19:21.640 Kim, can we do that YouTube audience?

00:19:23.260 Can we have an objective conversation about Taylor Swift for a second?

00:19:25.660 Oh no.

00:19:26.220 Okay.

00:19:26.640 Just, we're not talking about anything.

00:19:28.640 I'm scared.

00:19:29.100 We are not even talking about any personal support of Taylor Swift.

00:19:35.180 Okay.

00:19:35.360 So you can all still hold your views about her being a witch and all of that. 0.71

00:19:40.260 That's fine.

00:19:41.080 I think that we can objectively say though, and Brie is saying this objectively too, anyone

00:19:46.940 can say that she has become a lot more successful than Katy Perry.

00:19:51.140 And so I, it's interesting to think how she has somehow grown her popularity and she has

00:20:00.220 kind of grown with the times while also still trying to infuse her liberalism, sometimes

00:20:07.560 overtly, sometimes subtly into her music.

00:20:10.500 And yet she has continued to skyrocket.

00:20:13.980 And most people, I mean, the people who love her, of course, don't see her as cringe.

00:20:17.920 Although when she does talk politics, it is super cringe. 0.97

00:20:20.560 But somehow she's been able to find that balance and someone like Katy Perry hasn't, she hasn't

00:20:26.920 been able to find that balance.

00:20:28.600 I just think that's interesting.

00:20:29.700 I don't even know what exactly it is, but I don't know when Taylor Swift does it, it's

00:20:36.560 like interesting and people still want to listen to the music.

00:20:39.460 When Katy Perry does it, it's like, ugh. 1.00

00:20:41.720 Well, I will say, I mean, clearly Taylor Swift is a better writer just in general than probably

00:20:47.480 anyone who wrote this song, but in, I think it was 2017, maybe it's 2019 when she came 0.97

00:20:54.680 up with the song, The Man, which I was thinking about when I listened to this, which is a stupid 1.00

00:20:59.480 song. 0.99

00:21:00.200 She's saying, if I was a man, I would be more successful.

00:21:03.200 It's like, you're the most successful person in the world.

00:21:06.120 So no, it's not true.

00:21:08.680 It's like when Beyonce's saying, if I were a boy.

00:21:12.320 Yeah.

00:21:13.360 Well, it's also specifically with Taylor Swift, she's famous because she was relatable to

00:21:18.180 girls.

00:21:19.300 So it's actually the opposite of true.

00:21:21.420 But if she released that now, I think she would get the same, the same reaction.

00:21:26.660 Yeah.

00:21:26.840 I mean, I think it's maybe not as bad of a song, but still, I think she also learns her

00:21:32.940 lessons. 0.96

00:21:33.320 I think people, even then we're like, this is kind of dumb and not true. 0.85

00:21:36.840 And she hasn't done something like that since.

00:21:38.980 So I saw that people freaked out the other day because part of, even I know this as someone

00:21:44.400 who doesn't like follow her closely.

00:21:46.560 I saw a clip going around of her concert where she seems to say F the patriarchy.

00:21:51.900 And she, it was like, Oh, they, she has all these children like screaming that I'm obviously

00:21:56.900 I'm not condoning like the use of that phrase or that word at all, but that is a part of her

00:22:02.320 song all too well.

00:22:03.980 Yes.

00:22:04.500 I don't know if it's just a part of the 10 minute version or the part of the short version

00:22:07.420 too.

00:22:07.800 And she's talking about like Jake Dillon Hall, right?

00:22:12.340 Yeah.

00:22:12.920 You know the lore.

00:22:13.960 Wow.

00:22:14.300 I just know Taylor lore, like his key chain.

00:22:18.020 Yes.

00:22:18.460 Right. 0.88

00:22:18.940 But, and she's saying it was like hypocritical because he had this key chain saying F the 0.77

00:22:23.580 patriarchy when really he mistreated her.

00:22:25.640 Yeah.

00:22:26.140 The whole song is about how she was too young for him and he took advantage of her and he was

00:22:31.280 awful to her. 0.98

00:22:32.860 And yeah, she's referencing the fact that he's a hypocrite for having that on his key 1.00

00:22:36.480 chain. 0.98

00:22:36.880 So people took that way out of context.

00:22:38.840 And I agree.

00:22:39.660 Like, I don't agree with using the phrase at all.

00:22:42.820 There were kids at that concert.

00:22:44.760 The majority of them weren't kids, but, but yeah.

00:22:47.700 Yeah.

00:22:47.960 The context doesn't matter.

00:22:49.460 Yeah.

00:22:49.840 It does.

00:22:50.400 Interesting.

00:22:51.020 Interesting.

00:22:51.300 Interesting.

00:22:51.360 Interesting.

00:22:51.420 Interesting.

00:22:51.460 Interesting.

00:22:51.500 Interesting.

00:22:51.520 Interesting.

00:22:53.420 Interesting.

00:22:53.460 Interesting.

00:22:55.460 Interesting.

00:22:57.460 Interesting.

00:22:58.460 Interesting.

00:22:59.460 So in this music video, the, the funny thing is, is that they have women acting like men. 0.83

00:23:09.500 Like they've got women on a construction site. 1.00

00:23:11.920 They've got women peeing in urinals or like pretending to pee in a urinal. 1.00

00:23:15.920 And I'm like, okay, wait, why do women have to act like men in order to be powerful? 0.86

00:23:23.100 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:23:24.780 What you're saying is that we, like you, we have to do things that we literally don't do in order to be powerful.

00:23:31.900 So it's not actually enough to be a woman and to do the things that are unique to us.

00:23:37.220 We have to have this fantasy where women are working on construction sites. 1.00

00:23:41.120 We aren't.

00:23:42.300 That just doesn't happen.

00:23:43.660 I mean, rarely, but I would say it's probably 98% men, at least on those construction sites.

00:23:49.820 We're not peeing in a urinal.

00:23:51.740 I don't understand why a urinal has to be a part of this conversation at all.

00:23:57.460 Ed Krasenstein said that the right is triggered because we don't like women peeing in a urinal. 1.00

00:24:03.900 Yep.

00:24:04.380 That's why I'm triggered.

00:24:06.340 What else?

00:24:07.000 What other visuals did we have in this music video?

00:24:09.280 Well, that, the construction part is just the first part.

00:24:13.700 Yeah.

00:24:13.960 And so, and she pulls up a vibrator. 1.00

00:24:17.760 Oh.

00:24:18.080 And shows that.

00:24:19.400 Okay.

00:24:19.860 And then she puts up a, like, a pill bottle and does a little, like, she's doing an ad read or something.

00:24:27.100 So it's, I think it's supposed to be kind of like tongue, like she's selling vitamins or something.

00:24:33.100 Oh, okay.

00:24:33.660 So I think it's supposed to be, like, tongue-in-cheek, like, Instagram culture or whatever.

00:24:38.280 And then the second half of the video is her, like, walking around in a half, like, as a cyborg.

00:24:45.280 And, yeah.

00:24:46.600 And she goes up to an Instagram influencer and steals her camera and then runs away in a helicopter. 0.99

00:24:55.100 Okay.

00:24:55.620 So that's what we've got.

00:24:57.200 Okay.

00:24:59.980 That's just weird.

00:25:01.180 It's just weird.

00:25:02.200 Hopefully we can start producing better things as a culture, right?

00:25:06.000 And actually, at the end of this episode, we are going to hear a song that is part of the better part of the culture,

00:25:15.140 the culture building that is actually going on that is representing really good values.

00:25:20.620 And so we'll get to that in just a little bit.

00:25:22.540 Let's talk briefly, Brie, about this new dinosaur discovery, so-called, by the Wall Street Journal.

00:25:27.880 Can we talk about this for a little bit?

00:25:29.660 Yeah, big news.

00:25:30.080 If anyone is new to this podcast, you might not know that we have consistent conversations about dinosaurs.

00:25:35.300 That's why we've got a little Daddy Long Neck back there. 1.00

00:25:39.220 I think that's its official name.

00:25:40.760 That's what they're called, yeah.

00:25:41.980 And then we got, I don't know, is that supposed to be a Triceratops?

00:25:45.260 No, no.

00:25:46.960 Triceratops is Baby Bop from Barney.

00:25:49.380 I don't know what that is right there.

00:25:50.940 It's got the spikes.

00:25:52.020 You can't see it.

00:25:53.940 And then, no, this is, this is Triceratops.

00:25:57.840 This is Baby Bop from Barney.

00:26:00.140 Yeah.

00:26:00.760 The other one is Astegosaurus.

00:26:02.660 Astegosaurus.

00:26:03.820 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:26:04.820 It's just so hilarious that we pretend, like, all of this is scientific knowledge.

00:26:12.080 It is just, like, listen to us.

00:26:14.820 Listen to these words.

00:26:16.460 Okay, so if you're not, if you have never heard us talk about this, I am skeptical about

00:26:23.520 the depictions of dinosaurs.

00:26:27.940 I don't doubt that there were very large creatures that existed at one point that we don't fully

00:26:36.100 know about that probably have gone extinct.

00:26:39.500 But I don't think we know that the dinosaurs looked the way that we say that they do, because

00:26:45.800 obviously, like, skin, hair, fur, we don't have the fossils of those things.

00:26:52.100 And so it's hard for us to know what the scales look like.

00:26:55.080 You think we know that a pterodactyl sounds the way that you heard it on Jurassic Park?

00:27:00.640 We do not know that.

00:27:02.100 We don't know any of these things.

00:27:03.640 And as I've always said, I think most of the discoveries of dinosaurs, the names, the

00:27:12.360 categories, the depictions of them, are the result of a bunch of nerds going into a room

00:27:18.200 and basically manifesting their fantasy in these science books.

00:27:25.080 Okay?

00:27:25.680 So that's kind of just what I think about it.

00:27:28.800 And people get very up in arms when I talk about this, but it seems like every week I

00:27:33.680 see a new discovery in the media that makes me even more skeptical about the veracity of

00:27:40.120 the claims of dinosaurs.

00:27:41.440 This is from the Wall Street Journal.

00:27:42.840 We're going to have to put up, let's, can we just put up this image from the Wall Street

00:27:46.980 Journal?

00:27:47.320 Tell me, tell me that this does not come from a fantasy book.

00:27:51.560 You're telling, okay, newly discovered, newly discovered dinosaur.

00:27:56.360 Okay, that in and of itself, newly discovered dinosaur species rocked Loki-esque horns.

00:28:04.700 It roamed the earth, but it invoked a god.

00:28:07.960 A new horned dinosaur revealed by an international group of paleontologists, sure, sure, sure,

00:28:13.240 sported the most ornate headgear found so far in the fossil record.

00:28:17.780 The group named the plant eater, Loki ceratops.

00:28:21.540 I mean, guys, guys, uh, Loki ceratops range of formus for its blade-like horns, which bear

00:28:31.380 an uncanny resemblance to the helmet worn by the Norse trickster god Loki.

00:28:36.980 It lived about 78 million years ago.

00:28:39.780 Uh-huh.

00:28:40.420 Uh-huh.

00:28:41.120 In the swamps of what is now Montana.

00:28:43.400 Yeah, right, right.

00:28:44.820 Uh-huh.

00:28:45.680 Yep, totally.

00:28:46.620 Actually, its skeleton, discovered in 2019, was later purchased by the Museum of Evolution

00:28:52.080 in Denmark.

00:28:54.320 Okay.

00:28:55.420 So that's what we got.

00:28:57.160 Scientists first thought the bones belonged to a dinosaur species named Medusa ceratops.

00:29:03.000 There we go.

00:29:03.940 There's another one.

00:29:05.320 But further examination revealed this creature, an adult when it died, was unlike anything ever

00:29:10.760 encountered.

00:29:12.540 Okay, I just, I don't know, Brie.

00:29:16.040 What do you think?

00:29:17.180 Do you think that this is legit?

00:29:19.700 Of course.

00:29:20.060 It was in Montana, and for some reason it went to Denmark.

00:29:22.680 We don't know why.

00:29:23.540 Yeah.

00:29:23.880 Well, that just happened back then, I guess.

00:29:26.140 Yeah.

00:29:26.900 Yeah, no, I, I don't, they thought it was something else.

00:29:33.340 Medusa ceratops. 0.85

00:29:34.100 Yes, a Medusa ceratops, to be clear.

00:29:36.140 And then they found extra, like, brow bones, and we're like, no, this must be a totally

00:29:43.180 different thing we've never even thought about before.

00:29:47.020 I don't know.

00:29:48.400 Skeptical.

00:29:49.020 I'm sorry, there's just, there's just no way.

00:29:50.800 You know that there's no, like, complete dinosaur fossil.

00:29:54.940 Yeah.

00:29:55.900 Like, a full dinosaur skeleton.

00:29:57.140 They're just putting parts together.

00:29:58.780 Skeleton, what'd you say?

00:30:00.060 I just said they're just putting parts together.

00:30:02.080 No, they are.

00:30:02.840 They don't know, they don't know that it's a brow bone.

00:30:05.540 And the, look, the purple and the green, and they have no clue.

00:30:12.180 They have no clue.

00:30:13.020 And if you zoom into this image on the Wall Street Journal, they even have, like, okay,

00:30:19.260 maybe it's in water.

00:30:20.600 Okay, so that's interesting.

00:30:21.820 I was going to say the ground even has dinosaur spikes, if you zoom in closely.

00:30:27.320 So that's apparently what it was like in prehistoric times.

00:30:30.880 So I don't know.

00:30:31.980 I am more skeptical than ever about the existence of dinosaurs.

00:30:37.420 And we, the existence of certain kinds of dinosaurs.

00:30:39.860 Okay, don't freak out.

00:30:41.120 I literally, there are, like, YouTube videos dedicated to us talking about this.

00:30:45.680 I got this long, handwritten letter from someone so, so angry and upset that we have questioned

00:30:54.120 the integrity of paleontology.

00:30:57.440 But I will just continue to keep you up to date, up to date on that.

00:31:02.680 All right.

00:31:04.060 We want to get into this amazing, amazing story.

00:31:09.000 It's an amazing song.

00:31:10.460 And it is sung by Rachel Holt.

00:31:13.320 It was written by Chris Wallen.

00:31:15.240 And it is a pro-life song.

00:31:17.540 They were in the studio yesterday.

00:31:20.980 And they recorded this song, which, as you will hear, is from the perspective of a baby

00:31:27.780 whose mother chose abortion.

00:31:29.760 It's called I Was Gonna Be.

00:31:32.280 And this song is going to bring you to tears. 0.97

00:31:34.000 It is contrasted to Katy Perry's dumb song that had no intellectual value, no moral value whatsoever.

00:31:44.940 Like, this is a beautifully written song that also carries so much meaning and I really think

00:31:51.560 can change hearts and minds.

00:31:53.020 And so make sure that you share it.

00:31:54.600 Make sure that you share it with those in your life.

00:31:57.440 Storytelling is so important.

00:31:58.920 Storytelling through song is so important.

00:32:01.180 That's why these songs and stories shape our culture.

00:32:04.820 And I think this song that we are about to listen to and about to talk about really has

00:32:10.940 the potential to do that.

00:32:24.880 Chris and Rachel, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.

00:32:28.540 Um, okay, Chris, you have written literally some of my favorite country songs ever.

00:32:36.580 I grew up on 90s, early 2000s country.

00:32:40.580 I mean, we're talking Kenny Chesney's Don't Blink.

00:32:43.400 I'm trying Trace Adkins, Toby Keith's Love Me If You Can, Garth Brooks's People Loving People,

00:32:49.460 Montgomery Gentry's Speed, Something to Be Proud of.

00:32:52.280 So basically, you specialize in making people cry with your songs.

00:32:56.800 Is that right?

00:32:57.740 Well, yeah, especially when I sing, I make people cry a lot.

00:33:01.060 Yeah.

00:33:01.560 But yeah, I, you know, I, I grew up loving and writing what I call three minute movies.

00:33:09.100 And I've always loved that.

00:33:10.680 I think that that's your job as a songwriter is to make someone feel something they weren't

00:33:16.980 expecting to feel before they heard your song.

00:33:19.780 So.

00:33:20.040 Yes.

00:33:20.420 And how did you get connected with Rachel?

00:33:22.580 Well, a friend of mine gave me a call and, and said that you, you really need to hear

00:33:30.980 this girl.

00:33:32.440 And honestly, we, I was in the middle of writing.

00:33:38.120 I was going to be when I met Rachel and I was just writing it for me because I thought no

00:33:49.200 one is ever going to be brave enough to sing this song.

00:33:52.740 And so sometimes you write things to just get it out of you, you know, and that's what

00:33:59.400 I was doing.

00:34:00.260 And when I met Rachel, it just clicked.

00:34:03.960 I thought, no, that's, that's who needs to, you know, and I really hope she likes the song.

00:34:10.520 Yeah.

00:34:10.880 And so right in the middle of, I played it for her and the rest is history.

00:34:17.380 She loved the song and, and she was brave enough to put something like that out.

00:34:21.620 And I'm glad that she was.

00:34:24.960 And before we get to Rachel, cause I want to hear about your background and how you got

00:34:28.500 started.

00:34:29.440 Tell us a little bit more about the song.

00:34:31.840 Why were you writing?

00:34:33.380 I was going to be.

00:34:34.060 Well, you know, the news these days, it's, it's, it's always so one-sided, you know?

00:34:44.900 And there's, you know, there's people that are pro-choice and that is fine, but there's

00:34:51.500 two, there's two souls involved.

00:34:55.800 So for me, it's, it seems like there's, there was only one voice being heard.

00:35:02.120 And so basically I just wanted to, I said this before, give a voice to the voiceless that

00:35:11.920 you never hear.

00:35:13.040 Yes.

00:35:13.840 And Rachel, you are an 18 year old young woman and you have decided to sing this pro-life

00:35:24.040 song when a lot of people think that is a very wrong and controversial position stand to

00:35:31.860 take.

00:35:32.380 When you first heard this song, what did you think?

00:35:35.700 So I actually heard it.

00:35:36.980 My parents were with me.

00:35:37.820 We were just meeting with Chris for the first time and we were all just stunned.

00:35:42.900 It's definitely a song that just stops you in your tracks.

00:35:45.680 Yes.

00:35:46.340 It's, I mean, it's different than any song.

00:35:49.020 Yeah.

00:35:49.680 It's sad.

00:35:50.760 It's different than any song I've ever heard.

00:35:53.120 Did you ever have a moment when you were like, you know what?

00:35:55.700 I'm just starting out.

00:35:56.720 I don't know if this is the direction I want to go.

00:35:58.780 Well, yeah, we talked about it and everything, but honestly, like what better way to let

00:36:04.580 people know like who I am than put a song out like this?

00:36:08.740 Yeah.

00:36:09.460 Tell me how you got started.

00:36:11.820 So I'm sure you know what bluegrass music is.

00:36:14.100 Yes.

00:36:14.540 My grandpa did bluegrass all through his life.

00:36:18.040 He actually played at the Opry probably like 40 years ago or something.

00:36:21.680 He had a band called the Boys from Indiana.

00:36:23.460 And then my dad started to do bluegrass as well.

00:36:26.420 And I just grew up at bluegrass festivals.

00:36:29.400 So I was always around music.

00:36:31.020 And then I started listening to country and I chose to do that.

00:36:35.080 So I started actually playing the guitar during COVID.

00:36:38.480 That's when I learned.

00:36:39.860 And of course, I sing in church growing up and stuff, but that was about it.

00:36:43.620 And I started to take it seriously during and around COVID.

00:36:46.040 That's how I started playing shows.

00:36:47.260 For people who are listening to this song for the first time, they find it impacting them.

00:36:54.140 What do you hope they do?

00:36:55.940 What do you hope they get from it?

00:36:58.080 Well, I hope that they go and, you know, go to IwasGonnaBe.com.

00:37:05.000 And it's G-O-N-N-A, IwasGonnaBe.com. 0.95

00:37:09.660 And just download the song.

00:37:11.920 And I think nowadays that's the best way to.

00:37:15.520 And we also have merch on BassRecords.com, B-A-S-T-E Records.com with Rachel with IwasGonnaBe that you can also get to support us.

00:37:27.040 But just, you know, we just feel thankful to be part of it, and we hope everybody loves what it says.

00:37:35.720 And if they want to hear you perform somewhere, Rachel, where can they find that information?

00:37:41.260 Mostly my social media.

00:37:42.860 It's just Rachel Holt Music on Facebook.

00:37:44.740 I post all my show dates on there.

00:37:47.060 All I will say, I don't have any experience myself in music.

00:37:52.320 I just hope that you continue to just be unapologetic in singing these songs that are so unique and are representative, as you said, of people that don't always get the spotlight.

00:38:04.740 They don't always, they're not always included in conversations about compassion.

00:38:09.160 But who is more vulnerable than that helpless baby inside the womb?

00:38:13.360 And you're right.

00:38:14.080 This is a soul.

00:38:14.940 This is a life with God-given dignity and God-given potential.

00:38:20.820 And they were going to be someone in something.

00:38:26.640 And this is such a beautiful way to communicate that.

00:38:30.240 So without further ado, I would love to hear you guys perform it.

00:38:35.000 Absolutely.

00:38:35.720 Absolutely.

00:38:35.920 Some don't believe I'm a living soul

00:38:53.960 Just a bad mistake that needs to go

00:39:00.400 If my mama could have just seen my face 0.97

00:39:07.100 Maybe she would have had me anyway 1.00

00:39:12.080 But there are those who speak for me

00:39:18.480 Fight for lives that they can't see

00:39:24.900 But there are some who want me more

00:39:31.580 This life of mine if I were born

00:39:36.800 And all I wanted was a chance

00:39:44.500 To learn to love and laugh and dance

00:39:51.060 Oh, but I was gone before I arrived

00:39:56.020 Sent back to heaven on a starlight flight

00:40:01.520 Yeah, I was gone to change the world

00:40:07.000 And I was gone to be a girl

00:40:12.220 The first thing I was gonna do

00:40:20.840 Was breathe and fall in love with you

00:40:26.960 But a couple of weeks before I saw the light

00:40:33.840 Mind figured out when you changed your mind

00:40:40.180 And all I wanted was a chance

00:40:46.160 To learn to learn to love and laugh and dance

00:40:53.480 Oh, but I was gone before I arrived

00:40:58.440 Sent back to heaven on a starlight flight

00:41:03.300 I was gonna have some pretty curls

00:41:09.000 And I was gonna be a girl

00:41:14.520 I'm more than just someone I stand

00:41:20.060 Or some burden that you think I am

00:41:22.700 And there ain't no man who's ever gonna be

00:41:27.080 What I was gonna be

00:41:31.040 Some don't believe I'm a living soul

00:41:41.300 Just a bad mistake that needs to go

00:42:01.040 In your movie, I'm always a villain

00:42:18.260 While I'm getting hurt, you're playing the victim

00:42:24.180 You're hating on me like it's your religion

00:42:29.720 So go ahead and do your best

00:42:34.780 Do your best 0.81

00:42:36.740 Bring it, knock me, tear me, rock me, mow me down 0.70

00:42:43.600 Close your words, take your aim and take me out 0.99

00:42:49.340 Keep on shooting and missing if it makes you feel strong 0.87

00:42:53.760 And I'll keep stocking up on ammunition

00:42:57.200 Every war you start, every war you're building

00:43:05.440 It's like a bullet in a gun on a suicide mission

00:43:11.580 It helps you feel to be a warden in your own prison

00:43:17.080 All the bitter things that you do

00:43:22.140 Are gonna come back on you 0.97

00:43:25.040 So bring it, knock me, tear me, rock me, mow me down 0.98

00:43:30.820 Close your words, take your aim and take me out 0.99

00:43:36.380 Keep on shooting and missing if it makes you feel strong

00:43:40.880 Maybe one day you'll get a taste of your own

00:43:45.240 Ammunition

00:43:48.060 You can only fire so many times

00:44:01.840 Till you hear the click of what you did

00:44:05.940 And then it's my turn, oh it's my turn

00:44:10.720 So bring it, knock me, tear me, rock me, mow me down 0.98

00:44:16.060 Close your words, take your aim and take me out 0.99

00:44:22.060 Keep on shooting and missing if it makes you feel strong 0.87

00:44:26.520 And I'll keep stocking up on ammunition

00:44:30.080 On ammunition

00:44:35.860 Woo! I loved that! You were right!

00:44:47.880 That was so catchy!

00:44:48.920 Oh man, I didn't want it to stop!

00:44:50.320 It's got a good groove to it

00:44:51.200 Oh, it's so good! It does have a good groove to it

00:44:53.420 I loved that! Thank y'all so much!

00:44:55.340 All right guys, hope you enjoyed that episode

00:45:01.820 That was a different one

00:45:02.740 It was a fun one, a nice little break

00:45:04.360 And obviously just such a beautiful song

00:45:07.480 To close out this episode

00:45:10.520 So thank you so much for listening and watching

00:45:13.040 Make sure you sign up for our Share the Arrows event

00:45:16.440 It is going to be so encouraging, so equipping, so empowering

00:45:19.620 That is September 28th in Dallas, Texas

00:45:22.460 Go to sharethearrows.com for more information

00:45:25.260 We've got even more developments and additions to the show

00:45:28.220 That I will be announcing soon

00:45:29.540 Also, my new book is available for pre-order

00:45:32.280 And it is called Toxic Empathy

00:45:34.180 How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion 0.99

00:45:36.480 It will be out October 15th

00:45:38.200 Before the election

00:45:39.140 It will fully equip you to have those very contentious conversations

00:45:42.360 About the things that really matter this election season

00:45:44.740 But go ahead and pre-order it now

00:45:46.520 It helps us a lot

00:45:47.480 It helps get the word out

00:45:48.520 Go to toxicempathy.com

00:45:50.920 All right, that's all we've got for today

00:45:53.100 See you guys back here tomorrow

00:45:54.900 See you guys back here tomorrow

00:45:55.760 Video

00:46:00.700 Take care

00:46:00.900 Yeah

00:46:01.800 See you guys back here

00:46:03.160 And Patty

00:46:03.760 And Patty

00:46:04.060 And Kathy

00:46:04.520 And Patty

00:46:05.080 And Patty

00:46:05.100 And Patty

00:46:05.600 And Patty

00:46:06.100 Of digo

00:46:06.300 That

00:46:06.840 JeOOM

00:46:06.940 I just

00:46:08.320 laughing

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 17, 2024

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