Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1036 ｜ Amazing News! Son Saved from “Non-Binary” Future ｜ Guest： Harrison Tinsley

00:00:00.000 Well, Elon Musk has finally had enough of California.

00:00:04.720 He is moving X as well as SpaceX out of the state and into Texas because of a new law that has been signed by Gavin Newsom that prevents schools from requiring teachers and administrators to inform parents when a child says that they now identify as the opposite gender.

00:00:27.460 We will talk all about that new law today.

00:00:30.400 We are also having a very happy conversation with Harrison Tinsley.

00:00:34.500 He is the dad of a young four-year-old son who has been fighting for the custody of this boy because the son's mother has tried to transition the child.

00:00:46.640 And so he will be here with us at the end of this episode to share the wonderful conclusion to that long journey.

00:00:54.240 We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable.

00:00:57.460 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:01:09.980 Happy Thursday.

00:01:11.060 Hope everyone has had a wonderful week.

00:01:13.180 All right.

00:01:13.640 We've got a big episode for you today.

00:01:16.680 Before we get into the conversation with Harrison Tinsley, I want to give you an update on something very scary that is happening in the state of California.

00:01:25.900 Now, those of you who live in California, there are many of you, you are Christians, you are conservatives, you are some of the strongest in these categories that I have met because you are constantly swimming upstream like human salmon.

00:01:40.060 You are constantly fighting back against the darkness in the state of California, one of the most beautiful states in the union.

00:01:47.340 And you look around, you see your home, and it is being lost in so many ways to the powers of darkness, which in this day and age typically take on the form of progressivism.

00:01:58.140 And you are pushing hard for what is good, right, and true, and you have been pushing hard against this bill that unfortunately Governor Gavin Newsom just signed.

00:02:08.440 And it is called AB 1955, and it is titled the Safety Act.

00:02:15.080 They always use these kinds of euphemisms, which actually represent the opposite, which actually the bills themselves are actually the opposite of what is represented by the names that they choose.

00:02:30.120 It is called the Support Academic Futures and Educators for Today's Youth Act.

00:02:36.460 And it is supposed to sound innocuous.

00:02:39.040 It is supposed to sound highly positive so that most people won't look into it because everyone wants an academic future for today's youth.

00:02:49.060 Isn't that a good thing?

00:02:50.220 If you are against this, then I guess you are against teaching kids.

00:02:54.360 You are against kids going to school, but of course, that is not really what this bill that is now law is.

00:03:00.980 So here is a summary.

00:03:02.920 This bill would prohibit school districts, county offices of education, charter schools, and the state special schools and a member of the governing board or body of those educational entities from enacting or enforcing any policy, rule, or administrative regulation that requires an employee or a contractor

00:03:21.100 to disclose any information related to a pupil's sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression to any other person without the pupil's consent unless otherwise required by the law.

00:03:35.820 So this is saying that a school cannot have a policy that tells the teachers or the administrators or the school counselor that they have to disclose to the parent when a child comes to them and says,

00:03:47.160 Yeah, I know I was born Jack, but I'm really Sally.

00:03:50.220 I really want to find a way to get on estrogen, some kind of hormone replacement regimen.

00:03:57.180 Can you help me do that?

00:03:58.580 And please affirm my new stated gender and call me my new name.

00:04:03.280 Call me my new pronouns, but do not tell my parents.

00:04:07.820 California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus Chair Susan Eggman celebrated, saying that the first in the nation policy reaffirms California's position as, quote unquote, a leader in safe haven for LGBTQ plus youth everywhere.

00:04:22.020 And again, that euphemistic language, it really actually means the opposite, a safe haven for youth everywhere.

00:04:29.300 This actually makes kids extremely, extremely vulnerable, as we'll get into in just a second.

00:04:35.080 California attorney and founder slash CEO of the Center for American Liberty said that this is actually an outrageous attempt to keep parents in the dark while schools indoctrinate kids with a radical gender ideology.

00:04:47.080 By signing the bill, Governor Newsom is transferring power away from our local communities and centralizing it in Sacramento, blatantly undermining our democratic values, which, of course, is absolutely true.

00:04:58.140 The Chino Valley Unified School District has sued the governor, saying that the law violates parents' rights that are protected under the Constitution.

00:05:06.500 Izzy Garden, spokesperson for the governor, said, well, this is a very unserious lawsuit seemingly designed to stoke the dumpster fire formerly known as Twitter rather than surface legitimate legal claims.

00:05:17.960 AB 1955 preserves the child-parent relationship.

00:05:20.880 California law ensures minors can't legally change their name or gender without parental consent, and parents continue to have guaranteed and full access to their students' educational records consistent with federal law.

00:05:30.940 We're confident the state will swiftly prevail in this case.

00:05:33.660 OK, my question would be, then, what does this law do?

00:05:37.360 What does this law do?

00:05:38.260 This is always what they say.

00:05:40.700 Whenever they pass this radical law, a radical law like this, and people say, oh, my gosh, this is a very drastic change, and this is fighting against a very fundamental and necessary and safeguarding relationship, the parent-child relationship, they say, well, nothing's changed.

00:05:56.840 It doesn't really do anything.

00:05:58.020 Everything is the same.

00:05:59.400 OK, then why are you celebrating?

00:06:01.420 What does the law actually accomplish if nothing changes at all?

00:06:04.400 The truth is this does change things.

00:06:06.480 This means that a school is never required to inform a parent about very serious changes that the child is making.

00:06:14.260 Maybe not medical intervention, but social affirmation and social intervention.

00:06:20.120 It is not harmless to call a child by a name that they were not given by their parents.

00:06:26.620 It is not harmless to call a boy she, her.

00:06:29.560 That is harmful.

00:06:31.500 That is dangerous.

00:06:32.620 That is pushing a delusion that leads them down the path of medical intervention, and it actually threatens the legal custody of the children by their parents.

00:06:46.280 And I will tell you a story of this happening.

00:06:48.900 We've talked about it on this podcast.

00:06:50.360 I've shared it in many speeches.

00:06:51.680 It comes out of California, and it is about a young woman named Yaley Martinez. 0.83

00:06:56.900 And I will tell you what happened to her when the schools intervened, kept her new stated identity a secret from her mother.

00:07:05.100 Let me pause.

00:07:17.400 Let me tell you about Yaley Martinez and her mother, Abigail Martinez.

00:07:22.000 This is from our friends at First Liberty.

00:07:25.180 First Liberty is an incredible organization that represents moms like Abigail. 0.88

00:07:31.680 They are fighting for our constitutional rights, like free speech, freedom of religion, and also parental rights.

00:07:41.080 And so let me tell you a little bit about this story and what policies like this can lead to.

00:07:48.800 So this is their summary on the First Liberty website.

00:07:51.460 They filed a friend-of-the-court brief at the Supreme Court of the United States on behalf of Abigail Martinez in support of MC and JC, the Indiana Department of Child Services.

00:08:01.700 That's a pivotal parental rights case that is seeking—this is from 2023, by the way—seeking the Supreme Court review of Indiana's decision to remove a child from the home of Christian parents because of their religious beliefs about sexuality.

00:08:12.520 We've had many similar parents on this show, so this is something that is happening not just in these liberal states, but it's also happening in places like Indiana.

00:08:23.960 And so they tell the story of Abigail and her daughter, Yaley Martinez.

00:08:29.160 Abigail Martinez is a mother from Southern California who lost her daughter, Yaley, to suicide in September 2019.

00:08:36.700 Ms. Martinez is a devout Christian who immigrated from El Salvador as a teen.

00:08:41.480 Yaley suffered from depression as a young teenager, later identified as transgender.

00:08:46.160 But while Yaley's school encouraged her to secretly join an LGBT group, it also encouraged her to keep the information from her mother.

00:08:55.100 Yaley was taken from her home by the parent of a transgender student, and after school officials coached her at the police station, Yaley was removed from her mom's custody

00:09:04.180 and placed in a group home by the California Department of Child and Family Services because Yaley's mom, Abigail, did not believe that her child was really a boy.

00:09:13.780 She knew that she had other mental health struggles.

00:09:15.660 She had had somewhat of a turbulent upbringing, but she would not support this idea that Yaley was the opposite sex.

00:09:21.980 So Yaley worked with this activist parent along with her school to keep her choices and to keep her social transition a secret.

00:09:30.780 So she was removed from her mom's custody.

00:09:33.680 She was placed in this group home.

00:09:35.680 Instead of providing the medical care that Yaley needed for her severe depression, California gave her testosterone, took her away from her mom, the one support she knew she could always rely on. 0.85

00:09:46.240 After identifying as male for three years, changing her name, taking cross-sex hormones, Yaley committed suicide at age 19.

00:09:55.620 Do not tell me that socially transitioning a child outside of not only the parent's consent, but the parent's knowledge is harmless or helpful or that you're protecting kids.

00:10:11.880 You're not.

00:10:12.740 You're making kids far more susceptible to abuse, to isolation, to abandonment, to medical malpractice.

00:10:20.920 When you are taking away the only sure advocate that that child has, the only person in that child's life who really knows that child, who is really seeking the best interest of that child, you are making that child vulnerable to abuse, to homelessness, to even more severe mental health issues.

00:10:43.640 And yes, that is what this bill that is now law signed by Governor Gavin Newsom is going to accomplish.

00:10:54.640 He is going to, his legacy is going to be littered with the lives of these vulnerable and very confused children who have been conditioned by, groomed by their school in many cases, to try to change their gender, to identify as something else.

00:11:14.300 And then to hide that very sensitive and important information from their parents.

00:11:20.620 Social affirmation so often leads to legal intervention, leads to medical intervention, and those things are simply not reversible.

00:11:31.540 The audacity of Gavin Newsom and any of these legislators and any politician to lay claim to your child, to act like they care more about your child's life, your child's well-being, your child's interest, your child's safety than you do.

00:11:49.800 Who was it that met that child at their first breath, put that child on their chest, who felt that love crash over them, that parents can't even explain?

00:12:00.500 Who was with that child when he or she was waking up in the middle of the night with a bad dream and needed comfort and care?

00:12:07.900 Who was with that child when that child was sick and needed his mom?

00:12:13.060 Who was with that child through all the trials and tribulations of being a kid and then a preteen and a teenager?

00:12:21.100 Not Gavin Newsom, not any of these legislators, not Scott freaking Wiener of California.

00:12:28.340 You know, you were.

00:12:30.240 You know what is best for your child.

00:12:31.880 And yes, of course, there are bad parents out there.

00:12:35.080 There are actually abusive parents.

00:12:37.460 Why don't we put our attention, put our resources, direct CPS's efforts towards those parents who are actually abusing their children rather than punishing parents who want what is actually best for their kids,

00:12:53.160 who refuse to go along with the lie that it is even possible to identify as the opposite gender and who refuse to support medical intervention that will butcher their child's body, confuse their mind, crush their spirit, break their heart and possibly render them infertile for the rest of their lives. 0.77

00:13:12.460 That's called being a good parent, a good parent, a good parent resists that kind of thing for their child who doesn't know better, who doesn't have a developed frontal lobe.

00:13:23.080 This is evil.

00:13:24.720 This is an evil, evil law.

00:13:28.360 And I am just so thankful that one day Jesus is going to come back and that he is going to avenge all of this wickedness.

00:13:37.400 And I am so thankful that there's a hell.

00:13:39.860 I'm thankful for it.

00:13:41.140 Now, do I want Gavin Newsom to repent?

00:13:43.980 Of course I do.

00:13:44.860 Do I want these legislators and all of these corrupt, depraved people in California and in these progressive activist groups that are trying to tear away these vulnerable kids from their parents?

00:13:55.500 Do I want them to repent and know Christ?

00:13:57.580 Absolutely.

00:13:58.420 That is my utmost desire for them.

00:14:00.600 But if that doesn't happen, I'm glad there's a hell.

00:14:03.920 And I'm glad that there is an eternal punishment for wickedness.

00:14:06.880 I'm glad that there is justice there.

00:14:08.360 I'm glad that God is a righteous judge.

00:14:10.960 Yes, he is so gracious.

00:14:12.280 He is so merciful that he sent his son to die on the cross in our stead, that we can be redeemed through no effort of our own, but just by grace through faith.

00:14:21.220 Praise God for that.

00:14:22.240 I want that for everyone.

00:14:24.220 But if not, I'm glad that hell exists for people like this.

00:14:27.580 That would tear a child away from her parents in the name of affirmation to try to do something that cannot be done, change their gender, to mutilate their body. 1.00

00:14:42.360 It is wicked beyond comprehension.

00:14:46.620 And this is why we say politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

00:14:52.020 I am so done with any patience that I ever had.

00:14:55.540 I mean, it's been out for a while now with Christians who say, ah, our citizenship is not of this world.

00:15:01.460 Our home is in heaven and Jesus is coming back.

00:15:03.940 So I don't need to care about politics.

00:15:05.380 It doesn't really matter.

00:15:06.660 I don't want to get into all of that division. 0.95

00:15:08.480 Just admit that you're just lazy.

00:15:11.820 You just don't want to know what's going on.

00:15:14.380 It's too uncomfortable.

00:15:16.320 It's too inconvenient.

00:15:18.140 You don't want to be involved in it.

00:15:20.640 And look, I'm not saying that everyone has to be the same level of political activist.

00:15:24.060 I'm not saying that.

00:15:25.220 I'm not saying that you have to be following the news 24-7.

00:15:28.840 Compassion fatigue is real.

00:15:30.400 You do not have the capacity to care about everything all at once.

00:15:32.960 I am not claiming that you have to.

00:15:34.300 But to be an engaged citizen, because we still do live in a physical, temporal context right now,

00:15:40.740 not arbitrarily, not by accident, but because God purposely placed you here to be engaged as a citizen

00:15:47.920 and to do good for your neighbor, you do have to advocate on behalf of good, righteous policy

00:15:55.800 and push back against the bad.

00:15:57.880 Wherever God has placed you, maybe there's a particular issue that God is calling you to,

00:16:01.620 a particular place, a particular topic, a particular person, a particular cause.

00:16:06.720 And maybe it's only for a season of life that you are fighting for or against that thing.

00:16:11.320 And maybe you're just using your small platform to do that.

00:16:13.660 Maybe he's giving you a big platform.

00:16:15.400 It's going to look different for all of us.

00:16:17.760 But politics is a way, not the primary way or the only way, but a way to love our neighbor.

00:16:23.460 Yes, it is the Christian responsibility to push back against wickedness like this.

00:16:27.320 And that's why I also don't have any patience for this idea that, oh, Republican Democrats are just

00:16:31.920 kind of both bad, both equally bad.

00:16:34.540 Look, I've got my problem with Republicans.

00:16:36.220 I've spent the past two days talking about some of my problems with Republicans, but it's not

00:16:39.980 because I'm in the middle of the wicked party who wants to take kids out of their parents' homes

00:16:44.880 and then the party of the right, the Republican party.

00:16:48.520 I'm not in the middle of those two parties.

00:16:50.400 I'm way over here because I want to follow the word of God, which is going to put me outside both 0.99

00:16:55.040 of the parties, but not in the middle of them, not in the middle of them.

00:16:58.100 I am nowhere near the party of unfettered abortion through all nine months on the taxpayer time

00:17:03.280 and the removal of custody of a child from their parents because they are deceived about

00:17:09.860 their gender.

00:17:10.700 I'm certainly not close to that party and no Christian should be. 0.99

00:17:16.280 We should fight with every fiber of our being against this because children matter.

00:17:19.820 The voiceless, vulnerable children who don't have political capital.

00:17:23.800 They're just victims in all of this.

00:17:25.400 They're just fodder in all of this.

00:17:27.820 They matter and we have to speak on their behalf.

00:17:30.300 So God bless you to every Christian in California who pushed back against this.

00:17:34.180 I don't know when we will see the fruit of your efforts, but I believe we will.

00:17:42.600 I mean, at one point we thought that Roe v. Wade would never be overturned.

00:17:45.480 The abortion lobby is so much bigger and so much more financially provided for than the

00:17:54.120 pro-life side.

00:17:55.360 It's so much more influential.

00:17:58.640 It's got all of the cultural megaphones and yet Roe v.

00:18:01.520 Wade was overturned.

00:18:03.380 And while we are not where we want to be with abortion legislation, we're closer than we

00:18:07.340 were a few years ago.

00:18:09.020 And I thought that was never going to happen.

00:18:10.540 49 years of pro-life Christian effort.

00:18:14.820 And here we are in a post-Roe world. 0.99

00:18:18.180 And so I believe that your efforts can come to fruition, but we've got to keep pushing,

00:18:27.780 keep persisting, and trust in the Lord.

00:18:30.700 Harrison Tinsley's story, whom we are about to talk to, it is a great example of persistence,

00:18:36.820 and courage, how that can, through the grace of God, win the day and save people's lives.

00:18:45.400 And I'm so thankful for his story.

00:18:47.820 I'll give you a little bit of a summary before we get the very, very happy update from him.

00:18:54.100 All right, let me give you a little recap of Harrison Tinsley and his fight for the custody

00:19:13.460 of his three-year-old son.

00:19:15.220 Here is a short clip from the conversation that I had with him last year.

00:19:18.880 Right about when I get half custody, she starts treating him as non-binary.

00:19:22.820 And how do you know this?

00:19:24.540 From social media posts from her.

00:19:26.980 Okay.

00:19:27.760 And did she have a post announcing, hey, my son or my child is non-binary?

00:19:33.700 I don't know if she said it like that, but I mean, she would post pictures of him in

00:19:38.160 dresses and makeup and weird things like that.

00:19:40.860 There was also one post.

00:19:42.120 Yeah, there's a picture right there that we have.

00:19:46.120 Yeah.

00:19:46.840 Yeah, go ahead.

00:19:47.780 I don't prefer to look at that.

00:19:49.240 Yeah, I don't blame you.

00:19:50.720 Spending so much time and money in court isn't fun, but he's worth it.

00:19:54.420 I don't care how hard it is.

00:19:56.380 I don't care how much pain it causes me.

00:19:58.240 I'm never going to give up.

00:19:59.700 I'm going to fight for him until my last breath forever, as hard as I can.

00:20:04.300 And it's my duty as a dad.

00:20:06.440 So that episode ended up just kind of blowing up.

00:20:11.860 We did not break the story.

00:20:13.440 It was originally Daily Wire.

00:20:14.900 That's where I read his story first, and then he was kind enough to come on the show and

00:20:21.600 to share the battle that he was having.

00:20:25.760 So he was seeking full custody of his three-year-old son, Sawyer, who was being raised by his quote

00:20:31.980 unquote non-binary mother as quote unquote non-binary himself.

00:20:38.180 So the mother, she called herself non-binary, she was gender confused, and she was trying 0.93

00:20:43.780 to raise her son as also gender confused.

00:20:46.940 And we have this little picture, full screen too, just as an example.

00:20:51.800 This is a little boy.

00:20:53.280 When he was a toddler, his mom was dressing him up this way in this little pink and blue

00:20:59.240 dress.

00:21:00.580 And Harrison, who was not political himself and not ideological, he was just completely

00:21:05.420 against this.

00:21:06.200 Now, their relationship had been severed.

00:21:10.600 She was the ex-girlfriend, and so they were fighting over the custody.

00:21:14.400 And he was completely against this so-called gender affirming care that this mother was

00:21:20.780 trying to push on him.

00:21:21.840 So he was trying to get custody.

00:21:23.960 But they're in the state of California.

00:21:25.400 They're in the Bay Area.

00:21:26.800 So the ideology there wasn't for him.

00:21:29.140 Plus, family court can very often be kind of stacked against the father.

00:21:33.760 But in this case, like he was the one trying to seek what was best for his son.

00:21:39.340 And he was having such a hard time navigating family court and getting his side heard.

00:21:46.280 And so that's why he ended up taking his story public.

00:21:48.900 And it actually ended up serving him very well.

00:21:52.060 Now, Sawyer's mom has long been involved in LGBTQ issues, as we will talk about again a little

00:22:00.860 bit today with Harrison.

00:22:02.620 She was raised by two older gay men in the Bay Area.

00:22:07.340 So she's kind of always been this progressive activist.

00:22:10.640 And then this manifested itself in how she mothered this child.

00:22:15.840 And so Harrison has been embroiled in a battle in family courts with CPS in California for

00:22:26.600 over a year now.

00:22:28.280 And thankfully, he just got amazing news that after some very unfortunate and scary circumstances

00:22:37.360 with Sawyer's mom, he has been granted full physical custody of his son, Sawyer.

00:22:44.980 He is also married now.

00:22:46.840 And so Sawyer gets that nuclear family unit, which is just incredible.

00:22:53.020 And Harrison's story of meeting his wife is really incredible and sweet and providential.

00:22:59.660 He's going to share that today.

00:23:01.140 And so it's a story of victory.

00:23:03.180 It's a story of how persistence and courage and the grace of God, the providence of God can

00:23:07.780 lead to a really sweet victory in the protection of a child.

00:23:12.680 And there's just a lot for us to learn from his story.

00:23:15.720 If you want the full recap of everything that Harrison went to, we will link the episode in

00:23:22.240 the description.

00:23:22.840 So you can go watch that and then you can come back and you can watch this episode.

00:23:27.580 It will just make this announcement even sweeter.

00:23:31.360 And he'll say this at the end of the conversation.

00:23:33.740 But I just want to say to you something that he told producer Bree that meant a lot is that

00:23:39.680 he said by far that this audience is the kindest, is made up of the kindest people that he has

00:23:48.580 ever talked to, that you guys have been so supportive, that you've sent him words of

00:23:52.460 encouragement, that you have lifted him up in prayer so much over the past year or so.

00:23:59.580 So, and I'm just thankful for you guys.

00:24:02.280 I've always said I have the best audience in the world and I do, I do.

00:24:05.820 Sorry, sorry to brag, but I do.

00:24:08.440 Y'all are the smartest and y'all are the kindest and y'all are the most generous.

00:24:11.820 It's not just Harrison who has said that.

00:24:14.280 So many repeat guests tell me that when they are sitting on this white couch that y'all are

00:24:20.000 the best.

00:24:20.780 Also the sponsors on this show, you guys interact with them and they tell me, wow, you've got

00:24:26.420 an incredible audience and I'm like, yes, thank you, Lord.

00:24:29.240 I absolutely do.

00:24:30.260 And I truly believe that you, your prayers, your attention to this story, your support

00:24:35.720 for Harrison actually helped lead to this, helped lead to this victory in this custody

00:24:42.160 battle.

00:24:42.660 So praise God for that.

00:24:43.860 But I'll let Harrison tell you the wonderful conclusion to this story now.

00:24:50.260 So without further ado, here he is.

00:24:51.720 Harrison, thanks so much for joining us again.

00:24:59.800 Okay.

00:25:00.120 I'm going to give you the floor.

00:25:01.860 Tell us your latest news.

00:25:05.340 Well, the latest news is incredible.

00:25:08.060 I finally have won full custody of Sawyer and I'm just so thankful.

00:25:12.500 It's like an absolute miracle dream come true.

00:25:15.160 Yes.

00:25:15.800 Yes.

00:25:16.160 And amen.

00:25:16.700 So you were on the show a while ago.

00:25:18.880 You were in the middle of this custody battle with Sawyer's mom.

00:25:25.020 So tell us how everything has gone down since then.

00:25:29.640 Yeah.

00:25:30.200 Well, it's been like four and a half years now of me fighting for him.

00:25:33.260 Yeah.

00:25:33.740 And I have this appeal going.

00:25:35.300 It's actually still going and I'm hoping to win that as well.

00:25:38.960 Just sort of on merit.

00:25:41.440 And right now there was essentially another incident with my son's mom and she was arrested

00:25:49.040 again and there was CPS involvement.

00:25:52.500 And essentially what happened is CPS wanted, well, they temporarily awarded me full custody

00:25:57.440 and then they wanted to give me full custody indefinitely.

00:26:00.720 And, you know, I, me and my attorney agreed with that and Sawyer's appointed attorney agreed

00:26:07.140 with that and, and we ended up getting mom and her attorney to agree to that, you know,

00:26:13.280 with certain specifications about things before the trial.

00:26:17.300 And I'm just ecstatic.

00:26:20.220 I think it's the best thing ever for Sawyer.

00:26:21.780 He's been doing so good the last four months, you know, having a steady routine with me.

00:26:27.040 And it's just, it's just absolutely wonderful that to have actually like saved him and broke

00:26:34.460 the matrix.

00:26:35.400 And, you know, there was a lot to it, um, in this story, you know, it was a very serious

00:26:39.780 incident that happened that was very scary.

00:26:41.660 And then there was a lot of, a lot of research and a lot of talking back and forth between

00:26:46.940 attorneys and CPS and me and everything.

00:26:49.460 And it was a huge thing, but I was happy to take it on for Sawyer.

00:26:54.480 Right.

00:26:55.720 And obviously, as we've already summarized, um, the mother of your son was dressing him like 0.95

00:27:03.480 a girl, kind of saying that he was non-binary when he was just a toddler.

00:27:07.140 And when he was with you, obviously he never articulated, uh, anything like that.

00:27:13.280 I mean, three years old, you don't even have the words or the understanding to say something

00:27:19.220 like that.

00:27:20.340 Um, and it was a real battle for you back and forth.

00:27:23.780 Did you ever feel like, okay, everything and everyone is against me.

00:27:27.800 There's no way I'm ever going to get custody.

00:27:29.620 It felt definitely defeating at times, like family court seems to really want to keep custody

00:27:37.800 50, 50.

00:27:38.640 They seem to possibly favor mothers and possibly favor people with, you know, political views

00:27:44.420 that align with theirs more so.

00:27:46.180 But, you know, Sawyer's just adamantly just fought it. 0.85

00:27:49.920 He's always said he's a boy.

00:27:50.960 He gets mad if you say anything else.

00:27:52.560 He tells me he's upset when those sorts of things happen.

00:27:55.400 They've been happening less and less.

00:27:56.980 As far as I know, she still always has tried to call him today.

00:28:00.940 But other than that, she does acknowledge he's a boy because otherwise it seems like

00:28:04.760 he screams at her.

00:28:06.500 And as far as work goes, you know, I, I never gave up.

00:28:10.260 I'm like a hopeless optimist, Mr. Brightside.

00:28:12.960 So I'm always trying to find a way to, for things to work out and seeing like the best

00:28:17.380 possible case scenario.

00:28:18.340 Even if it's like a 1% chance, I'm like, don't tell me the odds.

00:28:21.140 Because I'm taking it.

00:28:23.180 And so I stayed positive throughout.

00:28:27.180 And here we are now.

00:28:29.220 And it's just magical.

00:28:31.440 Yes.

00:28:31.940 So you said that there was a scary incident.

00:28:34.260 Are you able to say what happened or no?

00:28:37.820 Yeah, I'll give like some minor details for sure.

00:28:40.680 Uh, essentially there was an arrest made of Sawyer's mother and she had gotten in a physical

00:28:47.780 altercation with her dad and he's older.

00:28:53.380 So she ended up and also, so Sawyer ended up seeing this altercation and stepping in on 0.98

00:28:58.140 the altercation too.

00:28:59.460 Oh my goodness.

00:29:00.080 And how old is he now?

00:29:01.880 He's four and a half now.

00:29:03.280 He's only four and a half and he's trying to make peace in this situation.

00:29:08.140 Wow.

00:29:10.200 Yeah.

00:29:10.740 Well, he, I mean, he stepped in with like his, you know, it's like, it's, there's debate

00:29:15.460 on if it's a little kid's plastic baseball bat or a little kid's juggling pen, but either

00:29:20.180 way they were, they were fighting.

00:29:21.560 It was a very serious fight, like with blood and like not very serious stuff, very scary

00:29:25.880 for a four-year-old to see.

00:29:27.240 And Sawyer claims that the instruction of his mother to hit his grandpa in the face, that's

00:29:32.780 what he did.

00:29:33.360 Um, the mother claims that he did it just in her honor without her saying anything.

00:29:37.960 I tend to believe Sawyer, but either way, it's part of the police evidence.

00:29:41.220 Even I've seen the photos of the bloody kid's baseball bat or whatever it was.

00:29:46.000 So it does seem that that happened and that there was a very serious altercation and she

00:29:49.960 was arrested for a lot of charges because of that.

00:29:53.900 Um, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be scarring Sawyer.

00:29:57.780 Uh, obviously I don't bring it up, but he did have to get asked it by CPS and some other

00:30:02.500 people.

00:30:02.900 And I asked him right after very scary, but, um, I think that we're just going to move

00:30:09.380 forward and he's doing just extremely well.

00:30:12.100 And, you know, they made me do different little checks and mental health checks with him, with

00:30:17.040 certain people through CPS and all these things.

00:30:19.000 And he just kind of passed with flying colors on everything.

00:30:21.420 So I'm super thankful that he, you know, he has me and my family and I just feel like

00:30:28.000 somehow he's just pulling through in an amazing way.

00:30:31.720 Yeah.

00:30:32.200 Are your parents involved?

00:30:33.580 Like, does he have grandparents on your side that are involved in his life?

00:30:38.040 Yeah.

00:30:38.520 So my parents live in Tahoe and they love Sawyer to death.

00:30:41.740 I spend lots of time with him and help me whenever I need help with him.

00:30:45.280 And I'm just super thankful that I have loving, you know, parents that love my kid.

00:30:50.140 And I also have a brother and two sisters and my wife now and all these different people

00:30:55.900 and family and friends that, uh, are very good.

00:31:00.840 I'm, I'm so glad for that, that you have a support system, that he is a support system.

00:31:04.800 And I'm just so thankful that you fought for him so relentlessly for so long.

00:31:10.040 Of course you think, yeah, that's just what you do as a dad.

00:31:12.740 You love your son, you fight for him, but not everyone does that.

00:31:16.700 You know, it's a big sacrifice.

00:31:18.240 It took you a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of financial resources, and you did

00:31:23.760 it because your son was worth it to you.

00:31:26.380 And I mean, I think that's, I think that's really commendable.

00:31:30.980 And, you know, I just, I also just pray for his mother because it sounds like she's in

00:31:35.380 a really dark spot.

00:31:37.260 Yeah, thank you for saying that.

00:31:41.460 It was a tremendous time of pain and, you know, suffering that I went through, but it

00:31:46.460 was totally worth it.

00:31:47.520 So it was worth it.

00:31:48.620 No financial or stress or otherwise could ever stop me from fighting for my son.

00:31:54.460 And I don't think should stop any parent from fighting for their children.

00:31:57.000 I think you have a duty as a parent to do so.

00:31:59.600 And especially to protect children, it's, they're the most innocent, amazing amongst

00:32:04.320 us.

00:32:04.660 And I don't understand how anyone gives up on their kids at all.

00:32:08.060 It's totally baffling to me.

00:32:10.200 Yeah.

00:32:11.000 And.

00:32:12.460 Well, yeah, I'm thankful that he has you.

00:32:14.640 So you have full physical custody, but you do have split legal custody with your final

00:32:20.120 approval.

00:32:20.620 Can you tell us what exactly that means?

00:32:23.320 So I have full physical custody.

00:32:25.020 So Sawyer resides with me all the time.

00:32:26.940 His mother gets a couple of visits per week.

00:32:29.980 And as far as legal custody goes, we essentially have to discuss things.

00:32:34.440 But at the end of the day, if we don't agree, I have the final say, which I'm extremely thankful

00:32:38.940 for.

00:32:39.260 That was something I was very adamant about having.

00:32:41.720 I'm really glad we came to that conclusion.

00:32:45.460 And has his mother, I know you said that sometimes she will refer to him as they, does she push this

00:32:51.780 with you at all?

00:32:52.720 Or does she kind of realize she's got to back off on that?

00:32:57.640 It seems to me like she still tries to do that.

00:33:01.940 If we're exchanging Sawyer, even sometimes she'll slip up and call him a boy.

00:33:06.140 But it seems like she really goes hard on the they thing.

00:33:09.700 And I always just remind Sawyer he's a boy and that nothing will ever change that.

00:33:14.520 And he totally knows that.

00:33:16.220 And it's really, really weird and odd.

00:33:18.680 And I don't know why she keeps doing that.

00:33:21.100 I think she herself tries to identify, because I believe she said it in court even, as non-binary

00:33:26.160 still herself, which is interesting.

00:33:29.580 And yeah, it's just really sad.

00:33:32.460 I don't understand why you would need to push that, even if you really believed it.

00:33:36.740 But why do you need to say that to a four-year-old?

00:33:39.340 It doesn't really make sense.

00:33:40.880 Right.

00:33:41.080 And y'all are dealing with, like, CPS and San Francisco, right?

00:33:46.960 Yeah.

00:33:47.440 So this was court and CPS in San Francisco.

00:33:50.620 And they should be commended.

00:33:52.680 They did their job.

00:33:53.980 Politics aside, they were aware of the political contention and of things like me talking to

00:33:59.700 you and doing interviews and everything.

00:34:01.060 And they put all that aside and did their job and did what's best for Sawyer to protect

00:34:05.060 the child.

00:34:05.920 That's remarkable.

00:34:06.340 And I'm super thankful for that.

00:34:07.980 Yeah.

00:34:08.480 That's remarkable.

00:34:09.160 Now, there were some CPS incidents that you hadn't known about, right?

00:34:14.120 Well, so there was the very first one that we probably touched on before.

00:34:17.860 And that one, CPS failed to do anything.

00:34:20.240 It was very surprising to me.

00:34:22.260 I tried as hard as I can for them to do something, and they didn't.

00:34:25.720 And this CPS worker actually told me that he was surprised that they didn't do anything

00:34:29.240 that time.

00:34:29.740 And then apparently I found out on this CPS report that there was a second incident opened

00:34:35.100 on or around Halloween this year, last year, technically, and of a little altercation again

00:34:42.840 between the mom and her father with Sawyer.

00:34:45.960 I don't know about, they claimed not present, but he was in her custody at the time.

00:34:50.060 So I'm not sure if he saw it or not.

00:34:51.720 But yeah, so there was a, I was upset that they didn't tell me about that.

00:34:56.860 It seemed odd.

00:34:57.520 Right.

00:34:58.720 Well, praise God that they ended up doing their job for the protection and the safety

00:35:03.060 of Sawyer.

00:35:04.120 There are so many kids that unfortunately are not given that protection.

00:35:09.480 And I think obviously we can praise God for that, but also your efforts and your fighting

00:35:14.260 have a lot to do with that.

00:35:27.520 And you also, you said that you just got married and you now have a wife that is helping you

00:35:35.560 raise this sweet little boy and provide stability for him.

00:35:40.300 And the story of how you met your now wife is really interesting.

00:35:44.220 So can you take us through that?

00:35:46.900 Yeah, it's a beautiful story.

00:35:48.640 I was doing an interview for Turning Point USA.

00:35:53.320 I was interviewed with Charlie Kirk in Arizona and I did an interview with Charlie Kirk,

00:35:58.860 which was crazy already because I'm just like, why am I interviewing with Charlie Kirk?

00:36:02.980 Like I'm just some guy from California.

00:36:05.020 That was after our interview?

00:36:06.860 It was after, yeah.

00:36:08.180 Okay.

00:36:09.060 I don't know how many months after, maybe one or two.

00:36:12.340 And yeah, so it's, I'm already just like, why this is crazy that I'm in this position,

00:36:17.160 but I wasn't embracing it, of course.

00:36:19.180 And, you know, just taking on that responsibility.

00:36:23.440 But so I'm just, I do an interview with Charlie in the morning and then I'm just sort of beat

00:36:27.340 bopping around Turning Point USA because I don't have anything to do the rest of the

00:36:31.440 day.

00:36:31.560 I'm hanging out with the film guys because I know them.

00:36:34.280 I've done some movie stuff with them and hanging out with them and walking around Turning Point

00:36:40.680 USA and I saw this beautiful girl and basically I flipped my hair and I opened her office door 0.81

00:36:46.880 and I walked in there.

00:36:48.080 She always reminds me that I flipped my hair first and I, yeah, I just talked to her.

00:36:53.520 I tell her she's incredibly beautiful and we just talk and laugh.

00:36:56.300 So you're just bold.

00:36:57.440 You just go up to her and tell her that she's beautiful right away.

00:37:00.900 Yeah.

00:37:01.360 Like just be brave.

00:37:02.720 That's how I live my life.

00:37:03.700 Even if I'm scared to death, I just do it anyway.

00:37:05.600 So I just walked right in, you know, even my heart pounding and I just talked to her and

00:37:09.980 it ended up just being a great conversation and we were just talking and laughing.

00:37:13.920 It just felt like magic was all through the air right when I opened the door, you know,

00:37:17.960 like something was just so special and like it was like we're just like meant to be near

00:37:24.980 each other or something.

00:37:25.940 It was really incredible.

00:37:27.220 And I saw her the next day too.

00:37:28.960 We talked for like an hour both days and got her number and stuff and she ended up being

00:37:34.000 in California two weeks later and as was I and we went on a date and we just kind of

00:37:40.920 fell in love so quick and it's just like it feels like it's like true love, like just

00:37:47.340 everything I've ever dreamed of and seen in a fairy tale or anything like that.

00:37:52.620 It's it's like I really found that I feel so fortunate and I did love her so much and

00:37:57.740 we just seemed so perfect for each other.

00:38:00.360 And yeah.

00:38:01.620 And so since then we just we visited each other back and forth and all this stuff and

00:38:05.780 and now we're married and it's just like the best love story ever, it couldn't it was

00:38:09.740 just so divine that we even met, you know, in that moment.

00:38:13.740 There were so many factors that added up that we could have missed each other, but that didn't

00:38:18.560 happen.

00:38:19.780 That's so sweet.

00:38:21.200 And tell me how you proposed to her.

00:38:22.740 Let's see, we went to a concert of her favorite band and when we got back to my house, I had

00:38:30.940 my sister and her boyfriend like decorate my whole house with like all these pictures of

00:38:34.920 us and flowers and, you know, candles and and this thing I thought of that was hanging over

00:38:43.620 the bed that was like I said, it was always you.

00:38:45.920 And then I also when we got to my door, I.

00:38:49.940 I pressed play on my phone, I had written and recorded a song for her that I wrote, and

00:38:55.660 so I just played that and then we walked in and then I asked her some point during all

00:38:59.800 that.

00:39:01.040 Sweet, sweet.

00:39:02.200 Well, that is just such a cool story about how God brought all of that together.

00:39:09.620 Is there any encouragement that you can give people?

00:39:13.260 Well, there may be people watching this who are in a similar situation as you and as you

00:39:19.400 said, the whole family court process can be extremely demoralizing.

00:39:25.840 You said that you live your life with bravery and persistence, like what encouragement would

00:39:30.500 you give someone in a similar situation?

00:39:34.680 Don't give up no matter what, no matter how hard it feels, no matter how discouraged you

00:39:38.600 feel.

00:39:39.240 You got to keep going, find a way to keep moving forward.

00:39:42.180 That's what life's about.

00:39:43.880 It's always darkest just before the dawn.

00:39:46.480 You know, I couldn't at all.

00:39:47.460 I was just laying in bed.

00:39:48.960 I couldn't have predicted I was going to get a phone call to go pick Sawyer up.

00:39:52.260 Right.

00:39:52.620 And I did.

00:39:54.000 And just completely unpredictably, you know, waiting on my appeal, still being defeated

00:39:58.860 in court all these other times.

00:40:00.780 And now here I am with full custody.

00:40:02.780 I mean, you just you have to keep fighting.

00:40:05.180 You never know what will happen.

00:40:06.880 You have to just do everything you can.

00:40:08.820 And even if you were to fail, you'll feel much better about having tried so hard than

00:40:13.860 if you didn't.

00:40:15.420 Right.

00:40:16.160 Right.

00:40:16.880 Absolutely.

00:40:18.640 You know, I just have to think this kind of just came to my mind.

00:40:22.120 You mentioned how San Francisco, CPS, they kind of put aside their politics.

00:40:28.560 They knew that you had done this interview and other interviews and they did what was

00:40:32.460 best for Sawyer.

00:40:33.240 But I do wonder, and this is a good thing, I do wonder if it is somewhat because you made

00:40:40.760 this fight public that they knew that if they did not do the right thing and God forbid something

00:40:46.580 had happened to Sawyer, that their incompetence and their misstep would have been highlighted.

00:40:54.120 And that would have then become a national news story.

00:40:58.100 So I actually think it probably played into your favor that you were like, you know what?

00:41:02.100 I'm going to get my message in this fight, this fight out there.

00:41:07.140 So no, well, we'll never know exactly.

00:41:10.260 But certainly I think that your persistence and bravery is really kind of what pushed everything

00:41:16.720 over the finish line.

00:41:18.260 I'm curious.

00:41:18.940 I tend to agree with what you're saying, though, really quick, if I can touch on that.

00:41:22.360 I mean, I think that coming out publicly, like I did with the Daily Wire article and then

00:41:27.580 your interview and all these interviews and going to the Capitol and fighting the crazy

00:41:30.960 bills in California that they tried to pass constantly to attack parents' rights.

00:41:35.060 But I think all of that definitely did play a role.

00:41:38.260 And, you know, I even explicitly let them know that if they don't give me custody and

00:41:43.140 anything happens to Sawyer, that I will sue them or that I will pursue legal, the full

00:41:47.860 legal extent of the law or something like that.

00:41:49.920 I was very serious about it.

00:41:52.100 And I mean, I don't know, but to be honest with you, it seemed like God handed me a really

00:41:58.180 incredible CPS worker that did his job in spite of everything and really seemed to have

00:42:05.160 Sawyer's best interest at heart and didn't care about politics at all.

00:42:08.740 And I really think that that was a miracle because I think that there is CPS workers,

00:42:14.000 like perhaps the very first one, or maybe that lady just gave her slack because it was 1.00

00:42:18.620 the first event, you know, I don't know, but it seemed to me maybe politically motivated

00:42:22.600 and as just so thankful to have gotten this guy who really, you know, did his job in spite

00:42:28.080 of any politics.

00:42:28.900 And yeah, I would encourage anyone, you know, if you're scared of speaking out, like you

00:42:33.680 start speaking up and speaking the truth and standing for what you believe and fighting

00:42:37.520 for something that matters, your life opens up in a million incredible ways that you just

00:42:42.420 can't even imagine.

00:42:43.600 It's, you know, I met my wife.

00:42:45.760 I've met you, I've met all these amazing people that genuinely care about me and Sawyer.

00:42:50.240 And I just, I just feel like life's changed so much for the better.

00:42:54.780 And I would just really recommend people taking that step towards courage because it really

00:42:59.200 will, even if it seems scary, it'll, it'll be worth it.

00:43:02.600 Now, if I remember correctly, you had a restraining order against Sawyer's mom per our last conversation. 1.00

00:43:22.140 How has that developed?

00:43:23.960 Yeah, I was awarded a temporary restraining order from family court and that was awarded

00:43:30.780 a few times temporarily.

00:43:32.860 And it ended up that mom violated that restraining order. 1.00

00:43:36.440 I brought that evidence to court.

00:43:38.360 I was part of the trial.

00:43:39.400 It was on video and photo.

00:43:41.260 It was undeniable.

00:43:42.260 And in spite of that and against case law, family court actually didn't award me a permanent

00:43:47.160 restraining order, which was kind of mind blowing to me and my attorney.

00:43:51.180 That's part of our appeal.

00:43:52.660 Yeah.

00:43:52.900 But thankfully, when, because I made a police report when that happened, it took a while to

00:43:57.860 come through.

00:43:58.520 But when it went to criminal court in my county, which is Santa Clara County, not San Francisco,

00:44:03.940 they're a little tougher on crime.

00:44:05.180 They actually awarded me a criminal protective order immediately.

00:44:08.320 And I'm super thankful for that.

00:44:10.820 It really brought me a, you know, a lot of comfort because some of the crazy stuff I've

00:44:15.440 had to deal with with his mom.

00:44:17.040 And she was what she was stalking you.

00:44:19.580 She was threatening you. 0.99

00:44:22.340 She essentially came within a distance of me with that.

00:44:26.620 She wasn't allowed to.

00:44:27.420 I don't know if it was 50 yards or something like that.

00:44:29.100 My criminal one's actually stronger.

00:44:30.500 I think it's 300 yards, but it was 50 to 100 yards.

00:44:34.100 And she came right next to me and Sawyer and with her dads.

00:44:37.720 And they were talking to us and kind of harassing us and, you know, just saying inappropriate

00:44:43.420 stuff to me on the family court app and stuff like that.

00:44:46.140 You said with her dads?

00:44:48.580 Yeah.

00:44:49.060 Her dads were actually with her when she made this violation of the restraining order, which

00:44:52.200 was interesting.

00:44:53.320 She has two dads?

00:44:55.220 Correct.

00:44:56.480 Adopted.

00:44:57.180 San Francisco.

00:44:58.400 Gotcha.

00:44:58.760 Okay.

00:44:59.040 I think I remember that piece.

00:45:01.300 And you know, what's interesting is actually her mom, like her birth mom, was in contact

00:45:08.480 with her for the first couple of years of Sawyer's life and they had a falling out.

00:45:14.280 And I didn't really know why, but I actually found out why this actually came out in the

00:45:17.440 CPS report as well.

00:45:19.140 It's kind of personal.

00:45:20.100 So maybe I'll keep the details.

00:45:21.380 But I guess there's an incident when her mom was visiting with her and Sawyer so much

00:45:25.500 so that the mom hasn't spoken to her in, you know, one and a half to two years or something.

00:45:31.740 And the mom even gave testimony to CPS on my behalf without really knowing me or against

00:45:37.760 the mom, rather, that Sawyer is probably safer with me.

00:45:40.180 That was part of the case.

00:45:42.100 Wow.

00:45:42.560 So that was her birth mom.

00:45:44.380 She was adopted by two gay men when she was a baby.

00:45:47.880 She was raised without her mom.

00:45:49.260 Correct?

00:45:49.580 Correct.

00:45:50.680 Correct.

00:45:51.020 Yeah.

00:45:51.600 I remember you mentioned that in our original conversation, but I had forgotten about that

00:45:58.080 aspect of it.

00:45:59.840 Wow.

00:46:00.220 And so that now that you've got the criminal restraining order, that has been, she's respected

00:46:06.220 that.

00:46:08.060 Yeah, it's been a lot better since then.

00:46:10.900 Okay, good.

00:46:12.140 You know, you just mentioned that you've been fighting back against some of these crazy bills

00:46:16.080 in your state of California.

00:46:17.700 And so I'm curious, what's your take on Gavin Newsom signing AB 1955, which basically says

00:46:26.980 schools can never be required to disclose a child's changed so-called gender identity to

00:46:33.320 the parents?

00:46:33.960 It's insanity.

00:46:36.620 I mean, it's a total attack on parental rights and on kids and on the Constitution.

00:46:40.600 And just, it's so anti-American.

00:46:44.420 It's keeping secrets from parents and mandating that even is just, it's beyond comprehension.

00:46:50.680 I was so glad to see that there's already a lawsuit filed against it.

00:46:53.680 Super thankful for that.

00:46:55.200 I think there should be more.

00:46:56.180 And I think that Gavin Newsom should resign. 0.97

00:46:59.940 I think that he's a horrible governor and a horrible person.

00:47:03.580 I don't understand what motivates him. 0.99

00:47:05.600 But quite frankly, he's not a good leader.

00:47:08.160 And the people of California don't want him.

00:47:11.000 You know, I live here in the Bay Area, mind you.

00:47:12.920 And I talk to parents all the time.

00:47:15.180 I don't know anyone who's into this stuff.

00:47:16.920 There's definitely no parents I know, even if they are liberal, that think that school

00:47:20.000 should keep secrets from parents.

00:47:22.020 So I'm not sure who he's playing into, but it's literally nobody I've ever met.

00:47:27.460 It's really odd.

00:47:28.520 I don't know what weird 1% they're, you know, ponying to, but it's not okay.

00:47:36.040 I totally agree with you.

00:47:37.040 I just talked to a very progressive friend the other day who said, yeah, I'm not on, I'm

00:47:44.620 not on board with this.

00:47:45.780 I don't think, and he's someone who, you know, wouldn't agree with me on LGBTQ stuff, but

00:47:51.440 he thinks that this is the step too far keeping this information from parents.

00:47:56.460 And so, yeah, I am right there.

00:47:59.100 I'm right there with you.

00:48:00.580 Hopefully there will be a post-Newsom California at some, at some point.

00:48:06.520 Well, thank you so much.

00:48:08.140 Thanks for sharing your story, being willing to come on, take the time to do that.

00:48:12.000 And again, I'm just so thankful for your courage and your willingness to share and praise

00:48:16.460 God that Sawyer has the stability and the love that you and your new wife provide him.

00:48:22.260 And I just hope that y'all have a happy and peaceful life.

00:48:25.320 Um, is there anything coming out that people need to be aware of for you?

00:48:29.280 I know you said that you've got another appeal, which I didn't really totally understand what

00:48:32.760 that was, but how can people be supporting for you, praying for y'all?

00:48:37.460 Well, thank you so much for saying that, Allie.

00:48:39.220 I mean, your support and kindness has meant so much to me and all your supporters have just

00:48:42.900 been the most amazing people.

00:48:46.040 They've, I've just so many prayers and well wishes.

00:48:48.240 And it's just kind of like mind blowing and surreal how kinds these people are.

00:48:54.700 And I'm so thankful to all of you and everyone who's ever helped me in Sawyer.

00:48:57.700 And we finally did it.

00:48:58.800 We saved Sawyer, uh, as far as, you know, I still have my appeal going.

00:49:02.180 And there's, so just cause I have this order, it's, it is a final order.

00:49:06.660 So it's, it's good.

00:49:07.560 But of course, mom can still go to family court and petition whatever she wants at any time. 1.00

00:49:13.340 So there's potential in the future that we do have more legal battles.

00:49:17.120 Of course, if anyone wants to, you know, help me and Sawyer, as far as that goes, it's a

00:49:21.560 give, send, go slash saving Sawyer.

00:49:24.220 And, you know, just all the prayers and well wishes mean the world to us.

00:49:28.620 Look how far we've come.

00:49:30.080 I mean, it's been like a year and, you know, since I've come out publicly a year and a few

00:49:34.120 months and we did it like it just in that amount of time we saved Sawyer.

00:49:38.800 There's a, you know, there's this stuff in California.

00:49:40.700 We need to stop.

00:49:41.580 There's other dads and moms who need our help.

00:49:43.760 I really believe we need to fight for them.

00:49:46.940 And we just need to do everything we can to protect kids.

00:49:50.400 I think the times now we have the high ground.

00:49:53.440 We tides are turning.

00:49:55.420 Everyone knows this stuff's wrong.

00:49:56.860 If you've ever thought about speaking up, you've been letting it stew inside you, but

00:50:01.100 too scared to speak up.

00:50:02.340 Start small.

00:50:03.020 Tell your wife, tell your friends, tell your co-workers.

00:50:06.280 It's time to speak is right now.

00:50:08.740 We can put a stop to this.

00:50:09.940 We can end the war on children. 0.99

00:50:11.800 We can save the republic.

00:50:13.540 You just have to start speaking the truth right now.

00:50:16.820 Be brave.

00:50:17.880 Well, thank you so much, Harrison.

00:50:19.460 And God bless your sweet family.

00:50:22.600 And hopefully you have many, many, many happy days ahead.

00:50:26.140 Thanks so much.

00:50:27.980 Thank you so much, Ali.

00:50:29.740 Really appreciate it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 18, 2024

Ep 1036 ｜ Amazing News! Son Saved from “Non-Binary” Future ｜ Guest： Harrison Tinsley

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