Ep 1046 ｜ Ex-Psychic on Demonic Possession & Taylor Swift ｜ Guest： Jenn Nizza
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Jen Niza is a former psychic. She thought she was communicating with the dead until she realized she was actually oppressed by demons. Today we are going to talk about her testimony. She s also going to tell us all of the surprising ways we can see the New Age and the Demonial manifesting themselves today.
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Jen Niza is a former psychic. She thought she was communicating with the dead until she realized she
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was actually oppressed by demons. Today, we are going to talk about her testimony. She's also
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going to tell us all of the surprising ways that we can see the New Age and the demonic
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manifesting themselves today. Some of the things that she says, especially towards the end of our
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conversation, will be deemed controversial, but that's why they are so vitally important for us
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Jen, thanks so much for joining me. If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do.
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Hi, Ali. Thank you so much for having me. Well, my name is Jen, and I am a former psychic medium
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saved by the amazing grace of Jesus Christ almost 11 years ago, and now I'm actually in full-time
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ministry. Believe it or not, I say that because technology is not my forte, Ali, but the Lord
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That's amazing. Okay. You said that you considered yourself a psychic and a medium, and we were
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talking before the camera started rolling, that you were actually mentored by the same person as
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the Long Island medium. Her name is Teresa. She had a show on TLC. She's still got a popular podcast
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today doing readings. And so tell us about that, how you came up in that world.
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When I started getting dreams of somebody who I believed was a deceased person communicating with
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me. And that's a long story. That's how the mediumship started. And the information actually
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was verified by an indirect source of this message from, again, somebody that I believed was a deceased
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spirit. Not, of course, now I know it's a familiar spirit, which is a demon, a fallen angel.
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When that happened, I went to the psychic medium that I used to go to, and she actually told me
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that day that I had a gift from God, that I too was a medium, and that sure enough was a deceased man
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getting in touch with me so that I could bring messages to his loved ones that are here.
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She handed me a business card that day of a woman who led a divination group, and that is the person
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that we were referring to. I was in the same circle as Teresa and some other well-known mediums.
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I'm sad to say. However, we need to be praying for Teresa.
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And before you started having these dreams of someone that you thought was a deceased man
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communicating to you, did you have a lot of history with psychics? Like, had you been visiting
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One million percent. I actually had psychic attacks when I was 12. This started at a very young age for
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me, Allie. I was exposed to the supernatural, not in a good way, at a young age. And at 13,
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I had my first tarot card reading. And I really believe that was when I started to seek it out. So
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yeah, from 13 all the way to that moment, which was in my young 20s, when the mediumship started,
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I was visiting tarot card readers, numerologists, astrologers, coffee grind readings, and I was
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doing them. So not only was I getting readings, but I was giving readings as well. I had my own
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tarot cards. I had the angel cards, the whole thing. And again, it's important to mention that
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when you practice divination, you are communicating with demons. You are not communicating with dead
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people. You are not communicating with any sort of good entity. So these demons were multiplying in
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my life with every reading. It actually, it breaks my heart, every reading that I did. And it's no
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surprise to me that it got to the point of getting the, when they started to visit me, to give me
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information to deceive. I was deceived and deceiving other people.
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Mm-hmm. You know, when we think of demonic possession, we typically think of like Emily
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Rose, someone who looks possessed, who looks very dark. Maybe they have scratches on themselves and
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they're unable to control themselves. They look demonic. But your life at the time, I'm sure you
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looked like a normal, you know, young woman. And maybe you even thought that things were going well
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because of these psychic readings that you were giving and receiving. But what did your life kind
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of look like growing up? Was it peaceful? Was it turbulent? That is such a great, I am so glad that
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you brought that up because we know that Satan is the master illusionist. He makes something look one
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way. It's all smoke and mirrors. I was your girl next door, you would say, shopping at the Gap, doing my
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readings, you know, in mom's house and whatever. But parallel or, you know, parallel to doing these
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readings, I had moments of happiness in my life, but predominant anxiety, constantly being bothered
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by these entities. And I mean, I was seeing demons manifesting right before my eyes. They started touching
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me. I was hearing from them all the time. And this is where people need to be so careful. Psychic
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mediums may say, well, I know how to turn it off and turn it on and tell spirit to step back and when
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to step forward. And that's just not true. They're around you all the time with their sinister agenda.
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And I could just be in random places hearing from these familiar spirits and thinking I was helping
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people. But it became fearful at times, too, because they were around me so much. I became fearful.
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And what did your parents think about all of this? Did they know?
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Yes, they knew and they were very supportive. They saw my clients hugging me and I was crying with these
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people because we really believed that I was hearing from their deceased spouses, moms, dads, and even
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children, Allie. And I would be hugging. And I really wanted to help these people. That's important
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because I believed what the new age told me, that I had a gift and it was to help people. So mom and dad
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were actually pretty supportive. And I actually read my own family, which honestly sounds so bizarre.
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But the information in the readings were pieces of information that I never had known,
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tracing back to relatives that I didn't even know that were deceased before I was even
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alive. So they saw that as confirmation that you have this special gift. Were you raised other than
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that with any other kind of religious belief? Did your parents believe anything religiously?
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I was raised culturally Catholic. So church was not an obligation. And it certainly wasn't something
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that we attended except for maybe holidays, maybe not. The holidays were more about the family time and
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Santa Claus and the lights and things of that nature. My mom definitely seemed to love Jesus.
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She was raised, she went to Catholic school. But she seemed to love Jesus. And I remember questioning
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her when I was young and just saying, how do you know? How do you believe in Jesus? And how do you
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seem so sure? And I knew that I didn't have that. I didn't have that. But I went through the motions
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with Catholic instruction. I went through the sacraments. To me, though, it was just going
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through the motions. I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what confirmation meant. I just did it.
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Right. There's a big crossover in particular in Latin America with the mysticism that you're talking
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about in Catholicism. Was there ever a point where you thought, okay, it's fine because it's really
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no different than talking to a saint or talking to Mary. Is that part of how this evolved in your life
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or not really? Not really. Not really that way. But I know what you mean. And I'm kind of thinking
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even of Santeria, which I didn't know about at the time, which mixes Catholicism, those candles. And
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I'm thinking about all the candles. I did have the candles. I had the candles of Jesus and Mary.
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Honestly, Ali, the New Age steals from every religion. So it's a mishmash. For me, it was
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really just a mishmash. I could have a candle of Jesus but have no faith in the real Jesus. I knew
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the New Age Jesus, the false Jesus. You could basically do whatever you wanted and I had no
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authority. And I could decide who these spirits were and even have the desire to control that
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without, not in a cocky sense. But in that divination group that I was in, I was taught
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actually to say the Lord's Prayer as a prayer of protection right before practicing divination.
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So in your early 20s, you said that you started to get this visitation by someone that you thought
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was a deceased man. And did you recognize this man in your dreams?
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This is very interesting. I did not at all recognize this man. As a matter of fact, he
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was indirectly connected. I mean, of course, again, it's a demon.
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In my mind, he was indirectly connected to an ex of mine, my daughter's father, which was
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very clever of Satan because her dad and I were not together anymore. But he would visit
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and he was going out with somebody who I had never met. And I knew from the dream that this
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person was connected to the person that he was with. So indirect enough that I wouldn't question
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myself. Is that something I could have known? Could he have mentioned this in the past?
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But direct enough to get the message. I know I talk with my hands a lot.
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But direct enough to get this message to someone, to get a validation, to further pursue the
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And he was in awe. He was, when I said to him, I said, listen, I said, I had this dream
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and I think it may be connected to your girlfriend. And I explained the dream, what this boy looked
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like, how he died, the whole thing. And he said, okay, I'll have to ask her. So he didn't
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even know at the time. He went back and he asked her and he came back a week later to visit
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our daughter. And he said, I have to talk to you. And he said, that is so-and-so's brother.
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And that is exactly. So he said to me, so then what's his name? And I said, Michael, those
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demons just downloaded the information in a second. And he said, yeah. And we were both shook.
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about, how and why a demon would manifest themselves in a way that would make someone feel like they're a
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psychic or they're a medium. What is the purpose and the mechanism of that? Because that's, I mean,
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that's just kind of mind-blowing to me. Yeah, absolutely. So we know that a third of the heavenly
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host fell with Satan. So there are angels that are fallen angels. So those are demons, and they're all
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over the place. And they've been here for ages, Allie. And so they study people. I always say,
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I'm a human being, and I can make a prediction. And I can make a prediction with a very high accuracy.
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So we're people. Imagine those demons that have been around for ages and have influence. We know
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it's a spiritual battle. Ephesians 6, 12 tells us that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
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but against the principalities, the authorities, the cosmic powers, and the darkness in the heavenly
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places. So they also have the ability to influence people to even do things to accomplish their sinister
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agenda. Why would they want to provide information to people like me, to people like Teresa,
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believing that we're helping people, believing that these are deceased people, to trick people
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to get them away from Jesus Christ, to get them away from the Lord, to live in disobedience. Because God
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says, and really throughout his entire word, but if we look at Deuteronomy 18, I like to go 9 to 13,
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but in 10 to 12, Deuteronomy 18, 10 to 12, God gives us a group of these practices that we are
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not to do. Do not practice or consult. Medium, spiritist, do not interpret omens. Necromancy,
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which is trying to talk to the dead, conjuring up the dead, which we see, unfortunately, a lot even
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today. And telling fortunes, fortune telling. It's the same thing. It's still going on. But the enemy
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wants to fool you, and he's going to come at an opportune time. Grief, in my opinion, is arguably
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the most difficult emotion that we can deal with as human beings. So when you're grieving, you've lost
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somebody. You are so desperate to have them back. You don't want to let them go. So now here comes
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so-and-so, maybe Jen, at the radiology place, coming in for an ultrasound, and the technician
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just lost her brother. This actually happened in a boating accident. And then I'm laying there
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and saying, hey, I'm a medium. Is it okay to share this message I have for you? Oh, yes.
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Because it's so intriguing, Ali. The supernatural is so intriguing. Yes, of course. Right? And here
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it is. And then you get this information. So now this person is going to continue to go to the medium,
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continue to do more psychic readings, maybe even then go get their own tarot cards, their own crystals,
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meditation, all of the new age things, and get further and further away from God. That's Satan's
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agenda since the beginning. Genesis 3. Yes. Yes. Did God really say? Yeah. You said some words and
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phrases that I hadn't heard before that you said that you kind of messed around when you were a
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teenager with something called like coffee grind readings and some other things that you played
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around with. Then what is that? Yeah. So those are tools of divination. Astrology is when people
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again, it's so idolatrous. When people are going to the planets, the stars and the moon, believing
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that where they are, maybe at the time when you're born. And this is so sad, Ali, if it's okay to say
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this, I'm seeing this more and more now being pushed out even on television shows like Fox and Friends.
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They had an astrologer on it. Broke my heart. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going to call it out.
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Oh, that's okay. Jesse Waters had a tarot card reader and a witch on it. So it's, it's, it's,
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it's heartbreaking. Yeah. And anyway, astrology is a tool of divination. So you're going to a
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created thing, believing that it has some sort of insight, wisdom, or knowledge about your life
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and knowledge about your future instead of going to God. And he said this was going to happen over
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and over again. You know, have no, have no gods before me, he says in Exodus 20 and three. And then
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in Romans one, we see that people are suppressing the truth for the lies and they're trading in the
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truth of God for creation. They're worshiping creation. So numerology is very similar. It's
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taking numbers and looking to extract hidden information from the numbers about your life,
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about your personality. So again, it could be, Hey, I'm in a number three year. That means,
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you know, instability to one new ager, but to another one, it could have a completely different
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meaning because after all, it's all subjective. It's not the word of God. It's not truth. It's not
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godly. He warns us not to do these things. And yes, the coffee grinds delicious Turkish coffee
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to drink and then leave. But after you drink the coffee, they would actually move the cup around.
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Very ritualistic, by the way. Move the cup around and whatever image or symbol the coffee grinds would
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make would indicate something about your future. Yeah. You know, I'm remembering the magic eight
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ball when I was little. And I remember also like the power beads that, you know, we would wear that
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different colors were indicative of, um, different kind of powers that you were supposed to get even
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like a mood ring. That's a kind of a way of reading, but I'm, I'm thinking of things that
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maybe we don't consider divination today, which aren't, but they do seem to kind of mimic what
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people are seeking through mediums. And I'm even talking about like different personality tests.
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I'm talking about different, um, like essential oils. I'm not saying the oils themselves are bad,
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but there are certain companies that will give you like a, a forgiveness blend or a blend that is
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supposed to give you not even just like physical energy, but is supposed to give you spiritual
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energy and things like that. And so it seems like what you're talking about is really this desire of
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people to one, be known people really want to be known and not just in the general sense,
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but a special sense, like tell me the particular deep things about me that no one else would know.
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And then as you said about Genesis three, people really want, or they think they want the power
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of knowing how the universe works, their place in it. They think that they can unleash and manifest
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that power in their own life with the law of attraction and even speaking things into being.
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We see that in certain denominations of so-called Christianity, name it and claim it. I mean,
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there are a lot of different ways that this shows up even outside of just your standard,
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like tarot card reading, right? It's a desire to control your outcomes, your reality,
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and, uh, to control other people's realities to like manifesting. You brought that up law of
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attraction. I speak a lot about the law of attraction. You are thinking that the universe,
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again, going to a created thing can assist you in attaining the desires of your heart.
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Where or when did you think your heart should make a decision for your life? You know, we,
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we tend to go there. We have these popular sayings. We were talking about it, um, a couple of moments
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ago, following your heart. We have these deceptive worldly sayings that we think we should
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be in control and we can make ourselves happy. And it's all about being happy and following our
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heart. But our hearts are deceptive. The Lord says, no one can know them. They're sick and wicked.
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Our hearts are filled with sin and the desire to do that. We should not be doing that. But
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manifesting is you have these desires of your heart and then you're putting your faith and trust in the
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universe, energy. And then you're, you have to be positive. You have to believe it. You have to
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visualize it. And unfortunately, like you sit, like you said, Allie, we're seeing that come into the
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church in a very, very big way. There are many Christians that make vision boards and they're
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going back to Habakkuk two, two to three, claiming that this is a reason, write the vision on the tablet.
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Oh, a vision board is a tool of assistance in manifesting. So I did it,
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made my list, my manifesting list. And then I made my board. I used to teach it too, actually.
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And on the board, which was Oaktag, take the pictures.
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Oh, Oaktag is kind of like a big, oh, poster board.
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Oh, okay. Okay. Got it. I didn't know if this was a new age term that I hadn't heard of before.
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So it's a poster board, right? And then you could take pictures, you could write words on there
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of the things that you want, the perfect job, let's say, and you want it to be in Texas. So
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you put the state of Texas, you put where it's going to be, what street, I mean, so specific.
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And you put all these things on this board and every day you're going to look at that board and
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you're going to believe it. It's already happened. It's even though it hasn't, it's, it's happening,
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it's going to happen. And you have to stay so positive about it. So what happens then if something
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quote unquote negative happens in your life, everything's wiped out because you're depending
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upon yourself, you're depending upon this poster board, you're depending upon the universe and
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you're never depending upon God because it's unrealistic to believe that you can be positive
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Yeah. And obviously that's different than just saying, you know, I have these goals
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and I'm, I'm releasing them like God's will be done. This is something that I want, not
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my will though, like God's will be done. That's one thing. But I have heard Christians say things
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like, and you can tell me what you think about this. Like I already have the healing that I'm
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praying for. I already have the success that I'm praying for. I just have to claim it in faith
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in Christ. It's already mine. They kind of consider that something that was guaranteed
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by Jesus's death and resurrection, that basically the effects of the curse, they should be gone.
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And through faith, we can activate whatever it is, you know, that frees us from that curse. And so
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if they have cancer, they might say, I claim my healing that I already have. If they want a
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promotion, I claim the success that I already have in faith. Tell me what you think about that.
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It's so upsetting. And that's just a twisting of scripture. I mean, they'll go back to Isaiah
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and say, by his wounds, we are healed. Okay. So we're healed. That's, that's a twisting of
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that scripture to say, because Jesus died on the cross for us, then we no longer should have the
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cancer. We're just bound to be healed in Christ. He never says that cancer or no cancer, God can use
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us and he wants to use us. It's convenient to forget that we are also in fallen bodies. We are going to
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die. But our soul will go on in eternity with Lord Jesus. And that's where our eyes should be fixed.
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Not in trying to secure, like you said, Ali, your will be done, not mine. How is it good enough for
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Lord Jesus, but not for us in the garden of Gethsemane for him to say, he knew what was going
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to happen. You want to talk about anguish and suffering and pain. And he did it willingly for us.
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And I pray that people would know that scripture, especially because he said, Lord, but your will,
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if this cup can pass me by, but your will be done father. Jesus sometimes didn't even have a place to
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lay his head. So where are you telling me that he's just, we're just meant to be wealthy. We're just
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meant to have it all be, you know, that's the prosperity gospel. That's not the real gospel.
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And if you don't know the real gospel, then you can't truly be saved. You can't. And people need
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to know that, that we are sinners and that Jesus Christ alone is 100% man and 100% God. And he did
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step out of his kingdom of heaven into, into humanity. And he was the only one who could atone
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for our sins because he committed none. We've all been born into sin. And so there's nothing that we
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can do on our own to be in heaven with Lord Jesus. But if we put our faith and trust in him and not
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the stars and not the universe and not name it and claim it, then the Bible says that we will be saved
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when we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that he died for us, that he was buried and
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raised the third day. Hallelujah. That's everything. It's all that we need. But you look at the flesh,
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for us. And God can't choose to work miracles. Amen. He can choose to heal. He can do lots of
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miraculous things that the rational mind can't understand. But saying that in order for you to
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that you don't think that the gospel in itself is miraculous. Like, that's not enough. I mean,
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what you just articulated so perfectly, the gospel, God made flesh, like that is the miracle. That is
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Let's back up and hear your testimony of how you came to know that saving gospel.
00:28:21.320
But you're in your early 20s. You're getting groomed and mentored to become a medium yourself,
00:28:27.760
which you said you had already been practicing it. But I guess my question first is how did that
00:28:32.260
really change in your early 20s after you started getting visited by the demon that you thought was
00:28:42.520
Well, I was doing psychic reading. So there is a bit of a difference between a psychic and a psychic
00:28:46.800
medium. So psychics won't necessarily claim to be communicating with deceased people in order to
00:28:54.420
give messages to their loved ones. They'll be doing more fortune telling. I would call it,
00:29:00.000
future predictions. When I became a medium, that was specific to mediumship reading. So people that
00:29:08.300
lost somebody in their life and they wanted to connect with them. So that was the shift there for
00:29:15.760
me. I still would include psychic information, future predictions, so on and so forth. And then I
00:29:23.040
actually began teaching. I began leading my own divination group and I absolutely loved it.
00:29:28.920
I absolutely loved it. And it's amazing. It's an amazing part of my testimony looking at what God
00:29:35.180
has done because I can never go back and say that I was a psychic who wanted to try on a new worldview.
00:29:42.900
I wasn't a psychic who wanted to try on Christianity, who wanted to check other things out. No, I was
00:29:49.000
perfectly content doing what I was doing until the age of 36. I was still content. But at the end of my
00:29:57.760
36th year, I actually came to a moment, Ali, of near destruction, a second of near destruction.
00:30:06.860
And I cried out on the name of Jesus Christ, which was a shocking to me as it is still to this day
00:30:12.580
saying it because why didn't I call out to my spirit guide or a deceased person? I cried on the name of
00:30:20.000
Jesus Christ. I explain it this way. Demonic oppression is a very real thing. It's a very real thing. You
00:30:28.420
mentioned possession earlier. There's possession and there's oppression. I probably was very close to being
00:30:33.220
possessed. I think of oppression this way. Imagine if somebody if you go under the water and you have
00:30:39.820
somebody with their foot on your head trying to keep you down there and they're all around you. And that was the
00:30:47.260
moment that I came to. So that was a cry for help, but not one that I contemplated, not one that I
00:30:54.280
wrestled with. Just cried out on the name of Jesus Christ. And I know that was God.
00:30:59.420
And what had happened? What was the moment of destruction?
00:31:07.540
So it was an internal thing. It wasn't something externally that happened to you.
00:31:11.860
You just felt the oppression like you were drowning and you felt this urge to call out to Christ.
00:31:18.240
Wow. So you said you didn't contemplate that. What happened from there?
00:31:22.080
Well, that left me spiritually vulnerable, to be quite honest with you, because I hadn't
00:31:25.980
heard the gospel, which I just presented a couple of moments ago. I didn't know I was a sinner that
00:31:30.380
needed to be saved. I didn't know that Jesus went to the cross for me and that he died and was buried.
00:31:37.500
I didn't know any of that. I just knew that something had happened and I knew that it was
00:31:43.400
peaceful. And I also knew I didn't want to be as this happened the next day. I didn't want to be a
00:31:50.080
psychic anymore. And I did not know why I had no idea. I had no idea why. So now, of course,
00:31:58.540
However, the enemy did not want to lose his grip on me. That is abundantly clear to me. I was deceived
00:32:05.780
again by false teaching, books that I started reading that were heretical and leading me once
00:32:14.140
again down the wrong road away from Christ. I did stop doing the readings for a while, but then I did
00:32:21.040
go back to them. Yet, I changed my introduction. I would always give an introduction before the reading
00:32:26.880
so that the client would know, don't say anything. I'm going to be doing the speaking and just affirm
00:32:33.740
if you understand something. And instead, I changed it to, listen, I'm not God. Wait, what?
00:32:40.800
Where'd this come from? Yeah. So the whole thing had changed. My introduction had changed. And praise
00:32:46.820
God, Jesus wasn't going to let me go too far back down that road. It wasn't long after that,
00:32:52.620
that I had gone back to the readings, that I ended up having a dinner date with a friend that I met in
00:32:59.200
the divination group that I spoke about. So we had become very close and we hadn't seen each other
00:33:04.640
in a while. Little did I know she had become saved from the last time that I had seen her to this time.
00:33:11.960
And she came over for dinner and she started talking to me about Jesus. And she invited me to the church
00:33:17.400
that she had started attending. Allie, I said no. Wow. Really? I declined that invitation.
00:33:23.740
Were you offended at all? No. Was there anything angry in you or you just were disinterested?
00:33:29.200
I would say I pulled what a lot of people say to me, good for you. You do you. I'm happy for you.
00:33:37.820
Whatever makes you happy, whatever road brings you joy. And left it at that. And a month later,
00:33:44.220
I woke up that Sunday and that same prompting, I want to go to church. I want to go to that church
00:33:53.380
today, but I don't know why. Just like when I wanted to stop doing the readings, but I didn't
00:33:58.620
know why. The same prompting, that small voice just telling you, leading you, led me to that church.
00:34:06.900
And it was that day, Allie, that I heard the gospel. And I was singing this song with the
00:34:12.940
congregation. I was so overwhelmed by this church. I was used to only mass in the past,
00:34:17.020
Catholic mass. And you were in Long Island. Yes. And so I don't know how many solid churches are
00:34:23.680
in Long Island, but I'm sure, like you said, that was a little bit of a shock to you.
00:34:28.640
Yeah. That was shocking. The whole scene was shocking to me. Why do people have their hands
00:34:33.300
up in the air? They're singing songs and what are they doing? And I just started singing with them.
00:34:39.360
And that lyric, when it came to Jesus saved me, I sang it. And I flashed back to that moment when
00:34:46.380
I cried out to him months prior. And I knew it was him, Allie. I knew that he was the one who showed
00:34:52.380
up that day and set me free. I was a captive and he set me free.
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Do it every time. And I started crying that day in that church of tears of joy, tears of freedom.
00:35:04.920
And when I left the church, 15 minute ride home, no contemplation, I got home and I Google
00:35:12.400
searched, what does the Bible say about psychic mediums? I was so convicted. And it just makes
00:35:19.680
so much sense though that the Lord, his agenda for my life would be to get me away from that
00:35:26.360
because I knew that day that I was going to follow Christ.
00:35:29.960
I knew it. And I quit my job that day, almost 11 years ago.
00:35:34.640
And at that point, that was how you were living. That's how you were making your money. And so
00:35:40.300
that's a huge leap of faith in itself, in addition to just believing in Christ. So what did that look
00:35:47.380
Yeah, that was huge. I'm glad you brought that up because I would love to encourage
00:35:51.400
people out there today that if you're on that cusp or you're thinking about leaving the new age behind,
00:35:58.420
don't be afraid. God is a good God. He is our provider and he will always give what we need.
00:36:04.420
Of course, I was on top of the world in that moment. And then a week later, it's like, wait a
00:36:09.820
minute, that was my job. What's going to happen now? So a little bit of that concern and I just
00:36:15.360
entrusted it to the Lord and had a roof over my head and food in my stomach and the Lord provided
00:36:24.080
Wow. And now you're in full-time ministry and you focus on helping people leave the new age and also
00:36:29.540
just Christians understanding the lies of the new age, right?
00:36:32.420
Yes, absolutely. Because the enemy is at large and is current and active. And in the times that
00:36:41.340
we live in, Allie, we see the psychics on TV, like you mentioned, of course, Teresa, which again,
00:36:48.200
we're praying for these psychics, we're praying for the mediums, but we're seeing the tension
00:36:52.200
in the world. We're seeing tension even in the microcosm of our life, personally speaking.
00:36:58.800
What's going on in your life? What's going on with your kids? And people will get tempted in
00:37:03.300
their vulnerability and their weakness for answers, for control, for certainty about the
00:37:10.060
future here and eternally. And the enemy will make it look very alluring, very attractive
00:37:16.800
and using social media to do so. And my concern especially is for the children because he is
00:37:23.760
targeting the children via crystals manifesting, Instagram, TikTok. You could have a reading out,
00:37:31.920
Sage burning. Sage burning. Witch talk. Witch talk is huge. Meditating in schools. The smudging is
00:37:40.100
in schools too. What's smudging? Is the sage burning. So believing that you could clean out
00:37:45.380
your space. Yeah. And that's all seen as neutral. It's all seen as like helping a child build their
00:37:51.020
social, emotional learning capacity, helping them build their empathy. That's a big word that's kind
00:37:58.080
of used. And the difference between meditating, you know, biblically and meditating in the new age
00:38:04.040
is that biblically you're meditating on truth, on the word of God. You're dwelling on what scripture
00:38:09.280
says. But in, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the new age meditation, you are emptying, right? You're
00:38:15.700
emptying your mind, which really can just make you vulnerable to demonic attacks, right?
00:38:20.680
One hundred percent. That's exactly what it does. Those entities, you are inviting them in. Trust me,
00:38:26.040
when you are, when a part of you is quiet, when a part of you is empty. I used to practice that
00:38:32.580
before my readings. It was a part of my ritual in order to channel more effectively. Right.
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When we think of the new age and everything that you've just described, I think a lot of people
00:39:59.700
think of it as more of these progressive, hippie, feminist, witchy women, but we don't think of it
00:40:06.900
in the context of what are typically called prophecies today. But we see that a lot, I would
00:40:14.260
say on the more, I don't know if we're just talking politics, like conservative end of the
00:40:18.280
spectrum. It seems like since Trump came to office, there's a lot of people who claim to have special
00:40:23.500
knowledge of the United States and of Trump. And I see a lot of, and during COVID too, like you
00:40:29.460
mentioned, when people are in these emotionally vulnerable times, in turbulent times, they're
00:40:34.740
turning to not just mediums, but these people who say that they're a prophet from God. But so far,
00:40:40.660
all these prophecies that I've seen, all these prophets, they're never 100% right, or they'll get
00:40:47.140
one prophecy right and one completely wrong, or the prophecy will be half right. And you have people
00:40:53.800
who call themselves Christians really eating this up and saying, no, that's true. That person is a
00:40:58.940
messenger from God. They're telling us what we need to know about Trump or the future of America.
00:41:03.680
How do we discern the difference between a true prophecy and then what is really a kind of psychic
00:41:11.360
reading that is using the facade of prophecy to try to make it seem Christian?
00:41:18.360
It's great that you brought it up because of course, we know that the enemy is a counterfeit. So
00:41:22.560
psychic communication is already the counterfeit of prophecy, which is declaring God's word.
00:41:28.700
You hit the nail on the head. If someone is claiming to be a prophet and they get any part of it wrong,
00:41:33.400
or they get any of their other prophecies incorrect, they are clearly a false prophet.
00:41:38.800
They are not hearing from God and God is extremely clear about this in his word. When you hear from
00:41:46.440
God, do you think God needs help? Do you think that God will confuse a situation? If he's going to speak
00:41:52.480
to you, you're going to hear it clearly and authoritatively and you'll speak it and it will
00:41:56.860
be true 100% of the time and come to pass. We are told to test the spirits in 1 John 4.1.
00:42:04.360
And the Lord has put this in place, testing the spirits, of course, because there would be demons
00:42:09.400
providing information. So we need to test everything by the word of God. And I think that goes back
00:42:16.840
again, Ali, why are we not just trusting in the Lord? Why are we looking for these prophets? Why are
00:42:21.320
we looking for this extra information? And then it turns people away again from our victory in Christ,
00:42:29.260
our comfort in Christ, knowing that we know the one who knows all things. Yes, it can be anxiety
00:42:38.220
provoking, looking at what's happening in our country, looking at the way the enemy has a grip
00:42:44.840
on so many people. But in Christ, we have what is all that we need. We have heaven that awaits us. And
00:42:54.820
the Lord encourages us to keep our eyes on things of above and to remember that our citizenship is
00:43:01.880
not here. All of this is going to pass away, but our citizenship is in heaven. This is just a stop, a
00:43:09.540
layover. This is a layover and our home is in heaven. But why again, are we not trusting in the Lord? We
00:43:15.360
don't need to go to man. And I'm not saying that the Lord couldn't raise up a prophet. He can do whatever
00:43:20.020
he wants to do. But when you start putting your faith and hope and peace in people calling themselves
00:43:30.360
prophets and you're just letting it go, you are getting into a very dangerous place of psychic
00:43:38.300
communication. And you can be a Christian and certainly attacked or oppressed by the evil one.
00:43:44.960
So you can be a Christian and get a psychic attack and then you're just going to claim it's a prophecy.
00:43:49.040
Yeah. So why would I want to go listen to you when I know that that could happen? Yeah. That the enemy
00:43:56.180
could even trick the elect. And as you said, Satan always uses a little bit of truth. When you thought
00:44:04.820
that you were meeting that young man through your dream and that person was real, that young person
00:44:10.480
named Michael was real, you knew how he had died and all of that. Some people think, well, if this thing is
00:44:16.520
true, it must be a special gift from the Lord or it must be a special gift from the other side. But
00:44:22.380
you know, when Satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness, he used scripture, he used Bible verses
00:44:28.400
to tempt Jesus. And kind of the same temptation that he tempted Eve with, that he tempts us with today,
00:44:36.380
he tempted Jesus with escape from pain, escape from suffering, authority, as if Satan has the
00:44:43.620
authority to give Jesus authority. But that's, you know, you can have everything and you can escape all
00:44:49.480
of the trouble ahead of you. That's basically what we are seeking through psychic readings. We are
00:44:54.360
seeking comfort. We are seeking understanding, solace, supernatural knowledge. But scripture tells
00:44:59.740
us that we have one mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus. And that's beautiful because we read
00:45:05.860
in John 1 that Jesus was full of grace and truth, full of grace and truth. And we read in 1 John 4,
00:45:12.200
8 that God is love. Isn't that beautiful? That when you have that closed connection, it's a closed
00:45:18.440
connection, God, Jesus, man, you can trust that every single stop in that connection is fully true,
00:45:25.720
fully loving, fully gracious, fully light. And it's not, you know, it's not Satan disguising himself
00:45:34.640
as an angel of light, which really reminds me of that phrase that we hear a lot in new age circles,
00:45:39.940
love and light, love and light, love and light. Well, isn't that just, you know, them trying to be
00:45:44.800
God who is love, who is light? What is meant like when we hear that in new age circles, love and light?
00:45:50.260
It goes back to energy. It goes back to positivity. I'm just going to send you some love. I'm just going
00:45:57.400
to send you some light. And I'm just, you know, positive and all that type of, and it's, it's just
00:46:03.980
the false, you described it perfectly as the false love and the false light. The true love would be
00:46:10.180
sharing the gospel with somebody, pointing people to Christ and not to enable their sin or support
00:46:18.180
their sin. You know, love is love. You know, the world is plagued by the slogans of the evil one.
00:46:25.920
That's what that is. Love and light. That's what I call it. It's a slogan of the devil. That's what
00:46:29.880
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We got to close out soon. So I'm going to end on a controversial question. Yoga.
00:47:32.300
Is it fine for Christians to say, do yoga positions? Maybe they're doing it to worship
00:47:40.040
music and they're not thinking about yoking themselves to a Hindu God. Is that fine? Or
00:47:46.920
is it still opening yourself up to the demonic? I'm going to say this with all the love in my heart
00:47:53.640
so that people would not be led astray. No, you cannot do yoga. Don't do yoga. I mean,
00:48:01.860
you could do whatever you want, but I would encourage you to stay away from yoga because
00:48:05.220
those postures are deliberately worshiping Hindu deities, false gods. It's idolatrous.
00:48:12.020
It's horrible. It's demonic. And you cannot throw some praise music on and make it something that it
00:48:22.820
isn't. You cannot do that. That would be, I love how Doreen says, that would be like putting a
00:48:27.220
scripture verse on a Ouija board. You can't do that. You're not tricking anybody. It's still the
00:48:33.060
postures. You're still doing them. They are worshiping and honoring Hindu deities. It is,
00:48:39.680
I really would encourage people to stay away from it. It's not just stretching and breathing. Remember,
00:48:45.080
that's the illusion. There has to be something that the devil makes it look like something that
00:48:51.520
it's not so that you would get involved with it, bringing demonic oppression into your life,
00:48:57.120
leading you into disobedience to God, because even if you don't know, you're still doing it.
00:49:02.420
And that's dangerous for you spiritually. Yes. And I just think about parents too. You mentioned
00:49:08.220
all the things that are targeting children. Satan has always had it out for children. They're so
00:49:12.920
physically and mentally vulnerable. And I think about all these things that are seen as innocent,
00:49:18.160
even for kids at school, things like yoga, things like emptying your mind through meditation,
00:49:24.660
energy, vibrations, witch talk, and even the movies and the shows and the books. I think about the
00:49:32.620
books that I read as a teenager and my parents didn't really know. I think they were happy that I was
00:49:36.520
reading and I did read a lot, but I read a lot of Twilight. I read a lot of witchcraft books,
00:49:42.420
a lot of supernatural books. And I'm not saying all fantasy and fiction is bad. C.S. Lewis has its own
00:49:48.320
fantasy. Lord of the Rings has its own fantasy. But I do think, I mean, I just remember being so
00:49:55.220
feeling emotionally oppressed when I was reading something like Twilight. I actually, and this is
00:49:59.900
too much of a conversation for us to get too far into, but I'm just thinking about all the different
00:50:04.260
ways that this can show up, especially for kids. Like I remember reading the second Twilight book
00:50:08.560
as soon as it came out. That's how old I am. And I was literally depressed, depressed for like days
00:50:18.080
and days. And I just, and some of that's just emotional, hormonal, but I just think about the
00:50:23.280
power that those kind of supernatural, dark witchcraft stories have over impressionable teen
00:50:30.000
girls. And I really think it can have a foothold in their lives spiritually. And who knows, could lead
00:50:37.840
them down a path like toward mediums and things like that. But it certainly is inhibiting a close
00:50:43.580
relationship with Christ. Don't you think? Absolutely. A hundred percent. And I'm, I'm thinking
00:50:48.520
while you're talking also of the music industry, I don't, I know that would be another long conversation.
00:50:53.800
Swift, Taylor. What do you think about that? Let's just end on something super controversial.
00:50:59.480
Let's go. I know you like the controversial stuff, Allie. Well, people want to know this
00:51:03.380
kind of stuff. It's only controversial because these things are popular and what is popular
00:51:06.580
has to be spoken into. So yes. Okay. I'm happy to actually speak about it. I'm very passionate
00:51:11.220
on this topic. And of course we're seeing it not only with Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Madonna is such a
00:51:17.480
repeat offender, uh, Lady Gaga, but Taylor Swift presents as this Christian looking, innocent
00:51:25.380
girl years ago. And then you see the darkness boldly, blatantly when people are already Swifties,
00:51:34.020
they're already hooked. This is not, this is, this is, it's the word I want to use. This is, um,
00:51:41.840
Oh, Allie, I'm thinking of how this is mapped out. This is planned out. This is not a surprise.
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Strategic. Strategic. This is strategic. I believe on behalf of the enemy to rope people in. And then
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it's like, now I'm going to hit you with my agendas because you are already a cult follower,
00:52:00.720
C-U-L-T. And her music boldly promotes new age ideologies and concepts. Karma, the invisible
00:52:12.020
string theory. They are. I don't even know what that is. Oh, okay. So the idea is that there's an
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invisible string. You already had me at that part, right? So there's an invisible string wrapped around
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your thumb, your pinky, whatever. And there's one wrapped around somebody else's thumb or pinky
00:52:30.520
that you've crossed paths with at some point in your life. And because of that, okay, you are
00:52:38.260
really met. Maybe that's your, here we go. Shift into another new age. Cause that's how the new age
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works. One equals another one equals another twin flame soulmate. That must be your soulmate or your
00:52:49.900
twin flame. It doesn't matter if you're married. That's okay. You don't want to let this chance
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pass you by. You want to go for this invisible string. We crossed paths. We met at the grocery store
00:53:00.200
seven years ago. And again, at the seven 11. Wow. This must be, I mean, I'm really kind of
00:53:07.000
understating it, but the idea is that once again, that you have this energetic soulmate twin flame,
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which are all lies and doctrines of demons. And she pushes these all out in her music. And then what
00:53:26.480
happens? Then you have it go viral on Tik TOK and you have people making these videos. They had a whole
00:53:31.600
twin flame, uh, docu documentary on Netflix. It was, it was difficult. I couldn't really get through
00:53:37.880
it. It was so difficult to watch. It was sad and sickening, but back to Taylor, who really is a
00:53:43.400
serial dater. And then is telling us about these relationships and dropping demonic symbols. I'm
00:53:50.580
sorry. I'm going to say it at the Superbowl with, well, I shouldn't say that she did it. I'm sorry if
00:53:54.360
her friend, her friend did it. Forgive me. Yeah. However, we are seeing her, uh, doing witchcraft
00:54:00.380
on the stage and people have a way of justifying it and making excuses for it. That's just choreography.
00:54:07.100
Um, just like we're seeing at the Olympics, what they did at the Olympics, the open, I know that's
00:54:10.940
another, we're going from one controversial thing to the next, but, uh, yeah. But the point is that
00:54:15.700
we're seeing it in pop culture and it is always presented. It seems like it's something that is
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beautiful and innocuous and she is, you know, Taylor Swift is, is beautiful. She is beautiful.
00:54:26.520
And she has a lot of really good songs, a lot of very catchy songs. And her brand, I think is very
00:54:32.840
palatable for the mainstream because she's this bright, cheery blonde woman who used to be a country
00:54:39.260
star. And, um, but you're right. There's certainly a God of self worship there, not just in her music
00:54:46.020
and really a lot of pop music today. Um, but I hadn't thought about or heard about this twin flame
00:54:52.880
thing and the invisible string. So that's really interesting. So the point is be on the lookout.
00:54:59.360
Don't be paranoid. It's not like, cause I do think that there's a tendency sometimes for people to try
00:55:04.340
to look for symbols in everything. And that can almost make you, it can almost drive you crazy.
00:55:11.340
Mm-hmm. And it can also prohibit you from seeing, okay, well, how is Satan tempting you in your own
00:55:17.740
life? Like where's the sin in your own life? Because we can kind of only be looking for the symbols
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out there and not looking for the more subtle ways that Satan is tempting us, working in our lives,
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oppressing us with different fears. And so there is a balance there, wouldn't you say?
00:55:34.340
Absolutely. A hundred percent. I am thinking of the children again and how these people become,
00:55:39.780
they become role models. And then if a Christian is so, um, involved with, let's say, I'm just going
00:55:49.080
to, again, just for the sake of the example of Taylor Swift, let's say, cause I happen to know
00:55:52.320
some Christian ladies that are calling themselves Swifties, letting their young girls listen. And
00:55:58.680
when she promotes, I hate to belabor the point, but when she, when she promotes anti-Christian,
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I mean, bold, again, I'm with you, Ali. I think that you, you can listen to, I'm, I listen to
00:56:09.800
secular music, you know, I, I do from time to time. Uh, but I would be very discerning and very
00:56:15.620
careful when you have, I mean, they need to calm down was all about Christians and the video having,
00:56:22.620
um, sexual immorality in it, feeding this false Jesus communion. And it's just very sad and painting
00:56:29.920
Christians as hillbillies that don't know how to spell. I think that you have to, I think when
00:56:34.760
it's so in your face, I would, I would steer clear of that. But yes, I agree with you. Of course we
00:56:40.580
should be looking in the mirror. We should be coming to Christ every day, repenting for our sins. We
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should be confessing and asking the Lord to show us the parts of our hearts that need to grow, that
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need to be corrected. Yes. And amen. Where can people find you to follow you, learn more about
00:56:59.280
your ministry and just hear more from you if they want to? Yeah. My website would be the
00:57:04.000
best place to go www.expsychicsaved.com. That's it. Expsychicsaved.com. Yeah. My new book is going
00:57:13.480
to be coming out soon. Yeah. When? I'm excited. Within the next couple of months, I just finally
00:57:17.720
got a title for it. Okay. Awesome. Okay. So people can be on the lookout for that. They can check your
00:57:23.200
website for that. That's wonderful. That's going to bless so many people. Thank you so much, Jen. Thanks for
00:57:28.360
having the courage to share your testimony and praise God for everything that you're talking
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about. I really appreciate you. Thank you, Allie. I appreciate you too. God bless you.