Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1051 ｜ The Hidden History of Margaret Sanger, the Nazis, & the White Rose Resistance ｜ Guest： Seth Gruber

00:00:00.000 The history of the abortion movement in the United States is so complex and interwoven that it sounds like a conspiracy.

00:00:10.140 You might know the name Margaret Sanger, but do you know Francis Galton? Do you know Thomas Malthus? Do you know how the Rockefellers and Warren Buffett and the Gates and so many others have played a role in the rise to prominence of Planned Parenthood and the pervasiveness of the abortion movement?

00:00:33.080 Do you know the parallels between the abortion movement in the United States and the Third Reich in Germany? Do you know that this goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and the legacy lives on today through Planned Parenthood and all of the politicians and all of the activists that prop it up?

00:00:53.040 Today I am talking to Seth Gruber. He is the founder of the White Rose Resistance, an incredible pro-life organization. He also wrote the book The 1916 Project. That is also the name of his new documentary.

00:01:05.640 And today, after we talk about his story, we are, I think, in an incredibly fascinating way, going to listen to him map out the history of the abortion movement, its philosophical and theological roots, how it has manifested itself over the past 100 years, where the ideas have come from, where the money comes from.

00:01:27.480 Guys, you have to listen to, I'm not exaggerating, every single second of this conversation until this podcast episode stops. It is chock full every minute of so much. You will be hard-pressed to find someone more articulate than Seth Gruber, with better recall than Seth Gruber when it comes to abortion and when it comes to just wrapping our minds around the evil that it is.

00:01:55.920 And before we get into the conversation, I want to play you a short clip of the documentary that we'll be talking about in the last half of this interview.

00:02:06.160 We're going to expose and discover who the real Margaret Sanger was and how her attack and assault against the family in America explains our current culture of death and upside-down world that we're living in today.

00:02:18.840 This is where it all started. It was here that Sanger opened up her first unlicensed, illegal birth control clinic in 1916.

00:02:29.840 Study the past, not just to understand what happened then, but to understand what's happening now.

00:02:37.840 Now, this is a leviathan.com. It's a fitting place to remember what happens when bad ideas are taken to their logical conclusion.

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00:03:29.420 Likewise.

00:03:29.620 And so it's good to fight together. Yeah, I was raised in the pro-life movement. My mother was actually waddling around a pregnancy center that she was the executive director for in 1991, pregnant with me, saving babies and loving on moms.

00:03:45.500 In fact, she would often babysit the toddlers whose lives she helped saved as fetuses because the degenerate deadbeat boyfriend still wasn't in the picture.

00:03:54.620 And so she'd give the mom some time to go shop or get her hair done. 1.00

00:03:57.220 So that was part of our heritage and legacy from very early stage.

00:04:01.640 We even like housed a young boy my age because the mom was having a hard time and that was another baby that my mom had helped save.

00:04:10.200 And so this was part of our heritage as a family homeschooled Los Angeles County.

00:04:15.660 And then in high school, I went to public high school. I saw aborted baby mutilated baby parts in the first trimester at a pro-life group that I was volunteering for.

00:04:26.720 And I was a homeschool Christian kid with a mom who had led a pregnancy center and yet I had never seen the pieces of children from an abortion.

00:04:37.200 And this was all first trimester. And so that that was probably one of the biggest turning points of my life, having to look at eyeballs and ears and noses of children at eight weeks, nine weeks gestation.

00:04:50.380 Was your dad involved at all at the like within the pro-life movement?

00:04:55.360 No, but he was just a provider and worked his butt off and help homeschool.

00:05:00.080 And we would take family road trips together and do California history trip learning and all this cool stuff as a family.

00:05:05.620 Yeah.

00:05:06.220 And then I went off to a Christian college in Santa Barbara.

00:05:08.820 Well, I thought it was a good Christian college. It's called Westmont.

00:05:11.780 It's a stone's throw from Oprah's house. And I held aborted baby photo signs on campus my junior year in 2012 because the university not only doesn't take a position on whether you should slaughter babies in the name of radical feminism or not, but they also have pro-abortion faculty professors on the payroll.

00:05:34.860 And I started the first pro-life club there. So I had discovered the pro-abortion professors. I got in email debates with them.

00:05:39.040 I'll put it in probably my next book sometime. And I was like, geez, Louise.

00:05:43.120 And that's when I learned the problem is not necessarily evil men out there who do evil things.

00:05:46.880 It's good people who know better and don't do anything about it or actually syncretize their faith with a little paganism.

00:05:53.120 And now I have tried to speak on campus three times at my alma mater and the administration has stepped in and stopped it.

00:06:01.040 Wow. At the Christian university. My goodness.

00:06:04.820 Yeah. I've actually recently hosted me at the Reagan Ranch Center in downtown Santa Barbara, the very event that should have been at my alma mater.

00:06:12.960 So that's sort of my background. And then we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning of Roe and God's blessed it.

00:06:21.180 And we're the probably the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country now.

00:06:24.140 Yeah. Amazing.

00:06:24.940 So that's my background.

00:06:25.940 And after college, you said that you were involved in the pro-life movement through college. What happened after college and until the White Rose Resistance?

00:06:36.440 Yeah. I graduated 2014 and I had already.

00:06:38.900 Me too.

00:06:39.260 Yep.

00:06:40.480 I had already been volunteering with pro-life groups. I had been starting to give talks in youth groups and like Protestant Catholic high schools, men's Bible studies.

00:06:50.700 Like I was just, I was just itching to speak anywhere that would give me an opportunity or a platform.

00:06:56.700 And when I graduated, I joined a small nonprofit pro-life group where I raised my own support and I went into faith-based high schools and I did their chapels.

00:07:04.520 And I would hang out in classroom and do apologetics and answer questions and help young people defend their pro-life beliefs.

00:07:09.940 So I did that until 2020. And then Pastor Jack Hibbs invited me to preach one morning, all three services while he was defying Newsom.

00:07:21.360 And people were driving two, three hours to come to Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills in Southern California.

00:07:26.560 This is like, you know, summer 2020.

00:07:28.940 Yeah.

00:07:29.220 And it was like 13,000 people coming through there on a Sunday.

00:07:32.820 And at that point, Ali, the biggest stage I'd ever spoken on was like 200, 300 people.

00:07:36.840 And I was 29 years old and now I'm at my earthly heroes church, Pastor Jack Hibbs.

00:07:41.680 And so that's when everything changed for me.

00:07:43.540 And then I pivoted more into pulpits and God opened up all these opportunities.

00:07:47.600 I've probably spoken in more pulpits on the issue of life on Sunday mornings than anyone in the world.

00:07:52.560 Yeah.

00:07:52.860 And I had to start turning down.

00:07:54.480 I would have been in a pulpit every Sunday and never been with my family.

00:07:57.140 So it's been a wild ride.

00:07:58.460 Yeah.

00:07:58.660 And then when Roe got overturned, it became clear we needed some new, bold, intellectual

00:08:02.320 thought leadership, especially for the church, whose job this has been the entire time.

00:08:07.400 And so we're really a ministry that was launched by and for the church.

00:08:10.660 I do the college campus stuff like you.

00:08:12.500 You know, that's important.

00:08:13.820 But this is really the role of the church because the pro-life movement used to go by another name,

00:08:18.800 Christendom.

00:08:20.340 Yes.

00:08:20.980 Was there ever a moment when you were speaking?

00:08:22.820 Because, gosh, you're just so naturally gifted and it's so obvious that the passion is there.

00:08:28.280 Was there ever a moment that you felt like, yep, this is what God is calling me to do forever?

00:08:35.560 Oh, yeah.

00:08:35.880 I knew from 18.

00:08:37.120 So I was a senior in high school and I did my senior project on abortion.

00:08:41.660 And so I was homeschooled through eighth grade.

00:08:42.720 I'm sure that was really popular at a public school in LA.

00:08:44.500 Everyone loved it, right?

00:08:46.040 Yeah.

00:08:46.360 Well, at least back then, you know, you and I, Ali, we were sort of that last generation

00:08:50.800 that might have sneaked by with a semblance of normalcy in the culture and maybe even

00:08:57.960 a Democrat and a Republican saying, you're my friend.

00:09:00.560 It's OK.

00:09:00.980 We can disagree.

00:09:01.920 Yes.

00:09:02.240 But then shortly after we graduated high school, all that went away really quickly.

00:09:06.300 And so believe it or not, I actually had pro-choice friends who actually liked me.

00:09:09.020 And I was like the captain of cross-country and all this stuff.

00:09:11.700 But I told my public high school, I said, I'm doing my senior project on abortion.

00:09:15.820 And you had to do a research paper, field work or volunteer hours, and then a speech at

00:09:19.660 the end of the year to graduate.

00:09:21.400 And my high school told me, you can't pick the topic of abortion.

00:09:24.080 This was 2009.

00:09:26.320 And so they didn't know I was homeschooled, Ali.

00:09:28.640 So I said, here's a copy of the Constitution.

00:09:30.480 You're making me read in government class.

00:09:32.420 You should probably read it or you're going to have a lawsuit on your hands.

00:09:35.240 And so I actually was, I emailed the superintendent of the Whittier Union High School District

00:09:39.140 and I threatened a lawsuit.

00:09:41.160 So they backed off real quick.

00:09:43.100 Yeah, I was like, most high schoolers would not have known to do that.

00:09:45.920 They wouldn't have done it.

00:09:47.120 OK.

00:09:47.540 Yeah.

00:09:47.760 So viewpoint discrimination.

00:09:49.220 I was threatening to sue for viewpoint discrimination.

00:09:51.120 And then they backed off.

00:09:52.880 They shut up.

00:09:53.520 I did my senior project on abortion.

00:09:55.180 And the pro-life organization that I volunteered at was actually a group that my mom had been

00:09:59.260 on the board of when I was born.

00:10:01.100 And they had me scan 300 images of first trimester mutilated, aborted baby photos for their educational

00:10:08.660 projects.

00:10:09.440 And by the way, I'm a huge advocate of abortion imagery in the public square.

00:10:12.840 I'm not saying like, go put it outside of an elementary school or shove it in children's

00:10:16.200 faces.

00:10:16.420 But I'm saying like, if abortion is such a great idea, then why would a simple picture 1.00

00:10:19.980 of it make you so upset?

00:10:21.100 If you're pro-choice, shouldn't you be willing to look at what that choice looks like?

00:10:24.480 And so that changed my life.

00:10:26.020 And it was from that point at 18 years old, staring at the emaciated bodies of little first

00:10:32.180 trimester babies for two days straight, six hour shifts on a high quality scanner and categorizing

00:10:37.380 them in this organization's database that I knew that this was going to be my life's

00:10:41.780 calling.

00:10:42.360 Yeah.

00:10:42.560 And then I started speaking at 19 and always knew that I was called to speak.

00:10:47.400 Yeah.

00:10:48.060 You know, I've never told this story, but you're talking about abortion imagery.

00:10:51.120 And, um, one time we were out and about with our whole family and there was, it was actually

00:10:56.360 like a pro-life drawing, but it was showing the, um, the barbarity of abortion.

00:11:03.360 And it was like depicting, um, a fetus that was dismembered and it was red and it was very

00:11:11.600 gory.

00:11:12.200 And I don't remember what it said on there, but it was clear to me that it was talking about

00:11:16.280 ending abortion and just showing how demonic and how violent abortion is. 0.53

00:11:20.660 And my five-year-old saw it and immediately broke down and was so disturbed by it.

00:11:27.560 And I, you know, I didn't, she's, you know, so young.

00:11:30.500 I didn't really want her to be looking at this and thinking about this, but she couldn't stop

00:11:35.440 asking me about it.

00:11:36.560 She just kept on asking questions over and over again.

00:11:39.360 And I'm not faulting that pro-life organization for doing that.

00:11:42.920 My point is that that is how all of our hearts should be.

00:11:47.120 Like when Jesus says, have faith like a child, it's that, it's that softness, it's that

00:11:52.300 vulnerability, it's that innate knowledge that, wait, babies aren't supposed to be hurt.

00:11:57.160 Babies aren't supposed to be torn apart.

00:11:58.820 Babies aren't supposed to have blood on them like that. 1.00

00:12:01.560 And it just reminded me that like, may I never, even as a pro-lifer, get used to that, you

00:12:07.500 know?

00:12:07.760 So I think that you make a good point about the power that those images can have.

00:12:11.660 Have you, have you heard the story of Emmett Till?

00:12:14.680 Yes.

00:12:15.000 Really?

00:12:15.460 Yes.

00:12:16.380 I learned about that in college first.

00:12:17.700 I used to use this in my talks years ago and it's, I haven't told the story in a while,

00:12:21.440 but very briefly, this is in the South and during, well, after slavery's ended, but this

00:12:30.540 is still a horrible time.

00:12:32.200 And this young boy, Emmett was visiting his family in Honey, Mississippi.

00:12:40.160 And according to reports, he kind of catcalled the clerk at a grocery store, you know, or

00:12:46.600 something like that.

00:12:48.220 And his friends had dared him to go talk to and flirt with this because he said, I have

00:12:52.060 a white girlfriend.

00:12:52.580 And they said, no, you don't.

00:12:53.500 I dare you to go speak to her.

00:12:54.420 So he did anyways, a couple of days later, the husband of that woman and his friends

00:13:01.080 drug Emmett Till out of his aunt or uncle's home, dragged him through the street with a

00:13:08.840 car, threw twine around his neck, beat the living pulp out of him and threw him into the

00:13:14.740 Mississippi river.

00:13:15.400 They found his body days later and they didn't know who they had found.

00:13:20.100 His face looked like a deflated football and his mother, um, shocked the world when she

00:13:29.480 requested an open casket and that photo of Emmett Till's brutalized and emaciated body was

00:13:38.680 published in newspapers all around America.

00:13:41.180 And so racism got a face that day and America was forced to look at what they were supporting

00:13:48.200 or tolerating and making peace with, um, people told her, you know, this is disrespectful to your

00:13:55.520 little boy.

00:13:56.160 We hear that from some meat, some, I think good-hearted pro-lifers even today who opposed

00:14:03.060 the use of abortion imagery because they say, this is disrespectful to the aborted children.

00:14:06.820 You shouldn't be doing this.

00:14:07.820 Her response to those people was, I want the world to see what they did to my little 0.75

00:14:13.360 boy.

00:14:14.080 To this day, Ali, historians believe that more than Rosa Parks actions, it was actually the

00:14:21.660 published photo of Emmett Till's brutalized body that was the spark to the civil rights

00:14:27.920 movement.

00:14:28.840 And so we need to open up the casket on abortion today.

00:14:31.380 And America needs to begin looking at, um, the faces that represent 70 million aborted

00:14:38.940 babies since 1970 in America.

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00:15:55.340 The sad thing is, is that it's even professing Christians.

00:15:58.940 It's even people within the church who say, well, that's just too harsh.

00:16:03.360 That's too divisive.

00:16:04.820 That's too polarizing.

00:16:06.440 They really don't want to think about what abortion is.

00:16:10.180 Yeah.

00:16:10.360 Even some who say, sure, I'm politically, or I'm personally pro-life, politically pro-choice.

00:16:17.260 Tell us what you're seeing within the church as far as just the cowardice goes when it comes to this issue.

00:16:22.700 Well, the 60 years or more of cowardice in the church, Allie, is now being reflected in the GOP, isn't it?

00:16:28.460 Yeah.

00:16:28.800 So we really brought this on ourselves.

00:16:31.520 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:16:32.720 And so I, you know, I have some grace for Trump because I think he's a byproduct of a 60, 70-year-long, apathetic, compromised, weak church.

00:16:45.740 Who, if she, the bride of Christ, had been contending culturally and politically with as much zeal, no, no, no, half as much zeal as the radical left has done for nearly a century, we wouldn't have had an individual like Trump anyway.

00:17:00.620 Now, listen, he's funny.

00:17:01.480 There's a lot of reasons I like him.

00:17:02.540 But, like, this capitulation on marriage and the unborn is what got us into this place in the culture in the first place.

00:17:10.560 And now, through Trump's influence on the GOP, they've completely walked away from their commitment to federal protections for the unborn from the moment of conception.

00:17:18.820 They've compromised on IVF and now they've compromised on kind of the historic, well, actually the only true definition of marriage.

00:17:24.440 I mean, these are the issues that got us into this position.

00:17:26.340 And so, yeah, I mean, the cowardice in the church is now being kind of just mirrored in the only political party that could give us a viable opportunity to protect the unborn in the first place.

00:17:34.420 But I think of this line from C.S. Lewis, he said a long time ago, and I think that this is why Megan Basham's work is so important, exposing big Eva, big evangelicalism, because these are the people whose leadership, writing, preaching, and books have created such an impotent church.

00:17:52.420 And C.S. Lewis once said, describing himself and his friends, it's fascinating.

00:17:57.040 He said, we simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas, and we plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful.

00:18:04.900 You know, we started automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kinds of things that won applause.

00:18:10.520 We were afraid of a breach with the spirit of the age, afraid of ridicule, having allowed ourselves to drift, unresisting, accepting every half-conscious solicitation from our desires.

00:18:22.180 We reached a point where we no longer believed the faith.

00:18:26.640 He talked about, like, the desire to be in the inner circle is very good at making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things.

00:18:34.940 We're going to be persecuted the next few years in the church and in the culture, getting very dark.

00:18:39.360 You talk about these things more than most people, throwing pro-life sidewalk counselors in prison, California, kidnapping gender-confused minors.

00:18:47.700 If a Fauci, follow the science, public health scientist, determines that the parents, through their non-gender-affirming attitudes or a mental health risk to their child, I mean, things are getting very, very, very, very, very dark.

00:18:58.020 And we're going to need believers filled with the spirit who are excited for the fight ahead, who are ready to slay dragons, and who are ready to be obedient and let the chips fall where they may and leave the results to God.

00:19:13.180 So, I mean, your question, we could spend the next hour trying to answer.

00:19:15.600 But I think that's the beginning of an answer.

00:19:19.300 And we've actually been missing out on the greatest adventure by trying to be like Lot in Genesis and get attaboys and cheers from the Sodomites so we can be invited to all the right parties. 0.65

00:19:29.380 We have inevitably stepped aside and allowed the mob to have their way with the next generation.

00:19:40.100 And I think the spirit of Lot in the American church is probably more responsible for bringing us to this current moment.

00:19:46.260 But he was called a righteous man.

00:19:47.460 So you can be saved, but not salty.

00:19:50.740 You can make it into the kingdom, getting singed on the way in.

00:19:55.140 But what's going to be your testimony at the marriage supper of the Lamb when we're asked, what did you do about the kids?

00:20:02.200 What did you do about the children?

00:20:03.620 I'm so curious what you think the Christian strategy should be when it comes to the GOP compromise.

00:20:11.620 I heard recently Ryan Anderson say that Christian conservatives have become the cheap date of the Republican Party.

00:20:17.980 You buy us a couple of drinks and, you know, we'll go home with you.

00:20:21.860 And it does put us in this really difficult position because you've got Trump and Vance who are less rabidly pro-abortion than Kamala.

00:20:31.320 Of course, she was the most she is the most rabidly pro-abortion politician, I would say, in the United States. 1.00

00:20:37.300 And but they're saying things that are completely nonsensical.

00:20:40.560 Oh, let's compromise at 16 weeks.

00:20:42.300 Everyone will be happy.

00:20:43.800 Follow your heart.

00:20:44.840 Totally incoherent.

00:20:46.400 Not really, truly pro-life when it comes to that agenda.

00:20:49.720 As you said, the GOP took out strong pro-life language from their platform.

00:20:55.980 So do we just keep voting for Republicans until we get to the point to where we're just saying, well, at least it's not 40 weeks that they're for.

00:21:04.500 It's just 38.

00:21:05.760 Yeah.

00:21:05.960 Like, is it good enough for them to just be a little bit to the right of liberals?

00:21:12.320 Are we rewarding them by continuing to vote for them?

00:21:15.160 Or is it just the only option we have?

00:21:18.760 Yeah, I am.

00:21:19.680 We are in this position because we've abdicated for so long.

00:21:25.080 And at some point, believers and conservatives are going to have to be willing to put a line in the sand.

00:21:31.620 G.K. Chesterton had this great line from 100 years ago in the Illustrated London News.

00:21:36.380 He said, the business of progressives is to keep on making mistakes.

00:21:39.880 The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected.

00:21:43.440 And unfortunately, we kind of continue to see that today.

00:21:47.360 It's almost like the conservative movement as we know it today just imbibes whatever the radical ideas were of Democrats 10 years later.

00:22:00.340 And so now, you know, conservative Republicans today look like Democrats 10 years ago.

00:22:05.920 At some point, we're going to have to be as unyielding in our principles as the left has always been.

00:22:13.260 You and I know that a moderate pro-choice Democrat would never even get the time of day anywhere close to the White House.

00:22:21.560 Even if they supported first trimester abortions, but maybe not second and third trimester, they would never – the Democrat base that they rely on to get elected would not vote for them.

00:22:31.900 Even RFK.

00:22:32.700 Yep. Yeah, that's right.

00:22:34.540 And so it's very frustrating because I understand the importance of Trump getting elected because I kind of don't want parents thrown into prison and sidewalk counselors.

00:22:45.240 Yeah.

00:22:45.560 And I kind of want personnel's policy.

00:22:47.800 I kind of want Christians near Trump influencing him when he is hopefully elected this November.

00:22:54.060 Like, that's all really important.

00:22:55.480 But, like, at some point, evangelicals in particular, the largest but the weakest voting block in the country, remember that, the largest voting block but the poorest to show up at the polls.

00:23:06.280 The largest and weakest voting block in the country is at some point going to have to start being vocal.

00:23:10.980 And Trump actually needs to fear losing the evangelical vote because of his compromise on marriage and the unborn.

00:23:18.560 And if evangelicals – and this is why my ministry is so focused on the church – if evangelicals aren't willing to be that vocal and loud and create that fear that the next Trump or the next J.D. Vance or whoever it is, is actually like, I better get in line with what evangelicals want or I'm not going to get elected.

00:23:35.020 It's like, oh, for Christians and conservatives who are as unyielding and unapologetic about their biblical Judeo-Christian principles as the radical left is for whatever new demonic idea they have is.

00:23:47.720 And so, at one time, we kind of need an immediate win right now because of all the evil that's coming down the pike. 0.97

00:23:54.660 Like, I want to create the political viability, the political viable option of being able to fight for the next four years and protect pro-lifers and the unborn and continue to have a robust pro-life movement.

00:24:07.020 But we need to not be so quick to hand our vote over.

00:24:11.300 Yeah.

00:24:11.720 I think that's a really good way to put it.

00:24:13.580 You know, I was thinking about your story and just how the Holy Spirit is so interesting, how he works through the lives of believers.

00:24:20.440 You were talking about, you started preaching at these big churches in 2020, and you kind of realized over the past few years how much work needs to be done within the church.

00:24:29.740 And I would say it was 2020 for me that I also realized that.

00:24:33.020 And it was really George Floyd and all that.

00:24:35.480 And I saw Christians and professing Christians mimicking this social, racial, justice, BLM nonsense that has no founding in Scripture when it comes to the definition of biblical justice. 0.89

00:24:47.900 And I really saw that it was mostly evangelical women, these, I would say, even white evangelical women who are parodying these talking points.

00:24:58.960 And I've seen a lot of that group, although many of them kind of came to their senses and realized, okay, yeah, that's probably not okay.

00:25:07.320 That's insane.

00:25:08.380 But it's a lot of those same women who will say something as nonsensical as, well, I'm politically pro-choice, I'm personally pro-life, but look, I want a woman to be able to get a DNC after a miscarriage. 0.75

00:25:21.560 They've been very propagandized into believing that any restriction on abortion, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, all that stuff, they will not say that restrictions are good.

00:25:32.800 They'll say, well, I'm holistically pro-life or I'm womb-to-tomb pro-life, which really just means that they're for like liberal immigration law, they're against the death penalty, but they're for abortion.

00:25:43.900 That's right.

00:25:44.220 Which is incoherent.

00:25:45.800 So tell me your thoughts on that and how we approach that group.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, the redefinition of pro-life has been a war that's been waging for probably over a decade now.

00:25:54.400 Yeah.

00:25:54.600 And it's been progressives who call themselves Christians and act full-blown anti-God, atheist, materialist progressives who have seeked to influence people like David Platt, Matt Chandler, Russell Moore, Lecrae, Jackie Hill Perry, T.D. Jakes.

00:26:11.760 Shall I continue to celebrate their cheerleading of this new definition of pro-life because it allows the progressives to sneak in their progressive priorities and masquerade it with the term that they know they can use to get Christians on board with the social justice training. 0.60

00:26:29.820 What is that term?

00:26:30.820 Pro-life.

00:26:31.400 What are the two ways that progressives know that they can influence believers and win the hearts and minds of Christians who are not like Chesterton, they're not like C.S. Lewis, they're not like Metaxas, they're not like you.

00:26:42.540 They haven't thought deeply about these ideas.

00:26:44.220 You either call it a gospel-centered issue or you call it a pro-life issue.

00:26:48.260 And then you know that the Christians become very easy to maneuver and manipulate because, oh, it's about the gospel. 0.97

00:26:54.960 It's a great commission.

00:26:55.840 Or it's about the babies.

00:26:57.060 Pro-life.

00:26:57.700 You're pro-life, right, Christian?

00:26:59.160 Oh, yeah, I'm pro-life.

00:26:59.840 Well, then you've got to support open borders.

00:27:02.200 You've got to take the jab because you don't want people to die.

00:27:05.500 Love your neighbor. 0.99

00:27:06.620 And so they sneak in all of this crap, Allie. 0.99

00:27:08.980 And so what they've done is they've redefined pro-life from the protection of life in the womb to the allegedly quality of life outside the womb. 0.94

00:27:18.440 So rather than saying, let's not slaughter children in the womb, it's, well, you've got to grant mass amnesty because those are image bearers.

00:27:28.320 And so that's a life issue.

00:27:30.580 And so they've completely redefined what pro-life means.

00:27:34.020 And this has even been pushed by people like Russell Moore, who used to be at the ERLC, which is a political arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the country, the Southern Baptists.

00:27:42.200 And now he's the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, for goodness sake, Billy Graham's flagship Christian publication.

00:27:47.460 Yeah.

00:27:47.600 A lot of these people, including Lecrae and others and Phil Vischer, Mr. Bob Potato, VeggieTales creator, have done a lot to influence believers to accept this new redefinition of pro-life.

00:27:58.980 And so he who fights everywhere fights nowhere.

00:28:01.300 So if now to be pro-life means that I've got to do all this other stuff that allegedly improves quality of life outside the womb, then how the heck am I supposed to ever end the killing of babies in the womb and secure protection of life in the womb?

00:28:17.440 So it's very important for us to be clear and push back on what pro-life actually means.

00:28:21.520 And so I have lost a lot of friends, and I've watched a lot of people capitulate over the last few years because they've accepted this new redefinition.

00:28:31.460 And so then you get articles in The Gospel Coalition by Thabiti Anawali, or whatever African name he changed for himself a decade ago, where he says, evangelical pastors, please tell us to vote for Hillary.

00:28:41.700 That was the name of an article at The Gospel Coalition, which is Tim Keller's brainchild.

00:28:45.260 He co-founded The Gospel Coalition.

00:28:46.620 And I've watched people I know or people that I used to respect from afar say, well, I've got to vote for Hillary or I've got to vote for Biden because they have a more comprehensive ethic of life, womb to tomb kind of stuff.

00:28:58.920 So how do we reach those people?

00:29:00.240 I mean, this is why clear moral teaching from the pulpit is so dang important.

00:29:05.020 I think most of the issues we're facing in America today, Ali, result from a lack of moral teaching from the pulpit.

00:29:11.440 There's this incredible story that Megan Basham tells in her new book, Shepherds for Sale.

00:29:16.620 How Evangelical Ministers Traded the Truth for a Leftist Agenda.

00:29:19.900 And it's about Kristen, what was her name?

00:29:23.520 She went to Tim.

00:29:23.960 Kristen Powers.

00:29:24.340 Yeah, Tim Keller's church, right?

00:29:26.780 Who's with CNN or something like that, one of the left wing.

00:29:30.020 But she used to attend Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.

00:29:33.000 And a couple of years ago, after she completely walked away from Christ and no longer even claims to be a Christian, she wrote this thing.

00:29:40.940 I just retweeted it on my Twitter because I was like, this is crazy to read.

00:29:43.760 And she said, for the years that I was there under Pastor Tim Keller's preaching, I never heard anything about what he believed or his denomination believed about male headship,

00:29:52.880 about marriage, about gender and sexuality, or about abortion.

00:29:57.940 I mean, she was in a Kathy Keller Bible study, I think.

00:30:00.380 Right.

00:30:00.720 And she said, I never even heard any of this stuff.

00:30:03.060 That's what I mean, Ali.

00:30:04.160 I mean, that's a lack of moral teaching from the pulpit.

00:30:07.320 But then she said, but I guess most of those things were pretty standard orthodox beliefs in the Presbyterian Church.

00:30:14.980 But I never even knew it because Tim Keller never said it from the pulpit.

00:30:18.240 There was no clear moral teaching.

00:30:20.060 That's a little vignette of what I mean, is that the business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected.

00:30:27.820 And that kind of abdication from the shepherds of the church and of America is why we're in this current predicament.

00:30:34.100 Yeah.

00:30:34.780 Okay, you brought up Matt Chandler a couple times.

00:30:36.560 And he was the first, I mean, definitely not the first, because I grew up going to a gospel preaching church.

00:30:44.920 And I went to a Christian school, kindergarten through 12th grade.

00:30:47.780 And so I knew the gospel and I knew a lot of my Bible.

00:30:51.040 But his preaching of the gospel was so different and so compelling and so effective for me when I was in college.

00:30:58.500 I used to watch.

00:30:58.940 And actually, how he has talked about abortion over the years.

00:31:03.860 I don't know if he still does it.

00:31:04.760 He used to.

00:31:05.420 A powerful sermon.

00:31:06.340 Eight years ago.

00:31:07.380 Nine years ago.

00:31:07.860 Yes.

00:31:07.880 Every January, he used to talk vividly about abortion and what abortion was.

00:31:13.640 And so why do you bring him up in this conversation?

00:31:16.860 Well, it was Matt Chandler, I believe, who said, I would always hire a black six before a white seven. 1.00

00:31:26.660 Yeah.

00:31:27.040 Anglo.

00:31:27.700 It was Anglo, I think.

00:31:30.080 But then he said, but I would never hire a black six before a white eight because I don't want to be accused of tokenism.

00:31:36.720 Yeah.

00:31:36.980 That was at the MLK 50 conference, I think, in 2018 or 19.

00:31:40.620 Good.

00:31:40.940 Yes, you're right.

00:31:41.680 Correct.

00:31:42.040 Thank you for that refresher.

00:31:43.100 And but then but then someone responded to him on social media and said, no, you are OK with tokenism as long as it's narrow enough that you might escape being criticized of tokenism.

00:31:52.280 And so that's critical race theory.

00:31:53.280 Obviously, what he's saying is, is like it from a one to ten in terms of how qualified you are for a job.

00:31:57.360 He'd rather have a less qualified black person than a slightly more qualified white person. 0.75

00:32:01.100 Why? 1.00

00:32:01.620 Because critical race theory and Frankfurt School and all this trash. 0.98

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00:33:10.500 Yeah, you know, this issue of pastors not willing to say the thing out loud, whether it's about abortion, whether it's about gender, whether it's about marriage, which some people think is just like a foregone battle.

00:33:26.460 It's like the idea is that, well, if I just preach the Bible, which, of course, that is the primary job of a pastor, then people will piece it together on their own.

00:33:38.780 People will kind of put it together and the Holy Spirit will work in their heart.

00:33:42.760 But I'm like, OK, but there's a reason, pastor, why your congregants listen to me.

00:33:47.320 And they want to know, OK, yeah, that's what the Bible says.

00:33:50.720 But how do I think about this?

00:33:52.200 How do I think about this?

00:33:53.740 And I would love to have my job be obsolete because every single person's pastor is telling them exactly what the Word of God says about these issues.

00:34:02.920 Not that they have to get in the pulpit and talk about the news of the week every week.

00:34:06.300 I'm not saying that.

00:34:07.280 But what it seems like you're saying is that these are Genesis 1 issues.

00:34:12.340 And if you're not preaching about abortion, if you're not preaching about gender and marriage, it's not that you're not wading into politics.

00:34:17.780 You're actually not preaching scripture, which is your job.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, oh, man, I wish we had more voices like you in the church, Ali.

00:34:25.200 And I think you've created a lot of bold voices through your show.

00:34:28.400 And I'm grateful that what you just said is so good.

00:34:30.620 We could talk about that for ages.

00:34:32.220 Yeah, it's been said that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant.

00:34:38.600 And I'm not I'm not talking like AR-15s. 0.69

00:34:40.680 I mean, like militant in righteousness and fervor for the kingdom and pushing back.

00:34:45.700 And there's this great pastor friend of mine up in north of Seattle.

00:34:53.080 And he had me for a big event a couple of years ago.

00:34:56.260 And he's the sweetest guy.

00:34:58.120 He said to his congregation after George Floyd and the shutdowns, he got up on the pulpit on a Sunday morning and he said, I need to I need to repent and apologize to you.

00:35:09.200 And he wasn't woke, but he was just silent on these issues.

00:35:13.020 And he said, I've failed you.

00:35:17.200 And I didn't realize that while we were preaching the gospel, the the left, the religion of humanism has been encroaching into my territory as a pastor.

00:35:28.580 He said, when you're talking about marriage, you talk about the family, you talk about parental rights, you talk about the unborn.

00:35:34.880 That's my territory as a pastor.

00:35:37.040 We've allowed them to take over our territory and in tears, he repented to his entire congregation for failing them and not addressing these issues.

00:35:46.580 And it was this incredibly powerful moment that I think we need more of in the church for pastors to realize.

00:35:52.740 I think there needs to be some serious repentance that you thought that you were being apolitical.

00:35:58.300 I'm neither left nor right.

00:36:00.280 I'm gospel centered.

00:36:01.880 Yeah.

00:36:02.080 The third way.

00:36:02.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:03.480 The third way is in which Tim Keller probably popularized and helped more than anyone else, unfortunately, that no, this was actually fundamentally biblical and spiritual issues.

00:36:12.840 We're not this is not a debate over tax rates.

00:36:15.520 OK, or highways and byways.

00:36:17.520 Yeah.

00:36:18.180 These are gospel.

00:36:19.540 These are biblical issues.

00:36:21.660 And so we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement, actually.

00:36:27.120 So they know that if they can label whatever their new kooky, humanistic, materialist, occultic, gnostic agenda is as just the politics or just the science, they can keep politically impotent pastors silent.

00:36:47.860 Whether that's because they fear losing their 501c3 status or they don't want to stop being invited onto MSNBC or CNN as the Russell Moore phone a Christian representative to represent evangelicalism.

00:37:00.580 Whatever the reason is, maybe they fear losing the ties of many of the people in their church who they know lean left, which is a result of your actually failure as a pastor in the first place.

00:37:09.840 Whatever the reason is, we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement.

00:37:14.200 And we have to actually take back territory.

00:37:16.580 So that's why at the White Rose Resistance, with the film we're doing, we're actually now launching these resistance chapters all around the country.

00:37:22.100 So we've launched in Boise.

00:37:23.600 We're launching in Southern California with Pastor Jack Kibbs and a ton of Southern California churches in August, in Fort Worth in October, and in Florida, probably in September, and in Memphis.

00:37:33.880 And now we have people wanting to launch in Virginia, in New York City, in Nevada, in Arizona.

00:37:39.780 And this is not a campus thing.

00:37:41.320 It's not a university campus thing.

00:37:42.360 This is just believers of all ages, because the number one response I get at churches, Allie, is, Seth, what can I do?

00:37:48.340 And I think we're finally now in this season where maybe there's enough of an awakening and there's enough of an itch to do something and to step into that adventure that believers are needing guidance and leadership on, like, how can we take back our culture beyond just voting?

00:38:03.100 Okay, tell me about the 1916 Project.

00:38:05.120 Tell me why it's called that first stop.

00:38:07.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:07.660 Thank you.

00:38:08.040 That's what everyone asks first.

00:38:09.060 And good job, because 70% of the people that probably have me on the podcast, they say 1619, and they get it mixed up.

00:38:15.240 No, we need to change that to when people, when they mean to say 1619, they actually say 1916, because this has taken over the culture so much.

00:38:23.700 That's right.

00:38:24.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:24.720 Thanks, Allie.

00:38:25.160 So, well, the answer to that question is to actually start with 1619.

00:38:29.620 And so 1619 Project, I mean, you've talked about this.

00:38:32.520 I mean, you were talking about this years ago, Allie, but Nicole Hannah-Jones, the purple-haired Marxist, and I don't say that to be demeaning or attacking.

00:38:41.860 She actually has purple hair, and she's actually a Marxist.

00:38:44.440 She's the author of the 1619 Project.

00:38:46.980 You know, it was interesting. 0.82

00:38:47.860 She was mentored by Angela Davis, who's this, like, very old communist, anti-white racist. 0.74

00:38:57.660 Yes. 0.81

00:38:57.780 And she is a disciple of the Frankfurt School.

00:39:04.340 Yeah.

00:39:05.220 She was, no, no, this is fascinating.

00:39:07.200 Angela Davis mentored both Nicole Hannah-Jones and Alicia Garza and Patrice Colors, the co-founders of BLM Incorporated.

00:39:14.900 Now, who mentored Angela Davis? 0.53

00:39:18.660 Herbert Marcuse, one of the fathers of the free love movement, oh, you know who he is, in California.

00:39:24.440 He was famous for saying that the way back into the garden is to take another bite of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

00:39:33.060 In other words, commit the original sin again.

00:39:35.320 That's how we'll enter the perpetual state of innocence, to quote him.

00:39:38.360 So that's Herbert Marcuse.

00:39:39.840 How fundamentally theological, right?

00:39:41.320 Isn't that what we were just talking about?

00:39:42.620 Now, Herbert Marcuse and Wilhelm Reich were kind of the two fathers of the free love movement, both products and students of the Frankfurt School.

00:39:49.300 Now, remember the Frankfurt School, Frankfurt, Germany?

00:39:51.320 That's where we get critical theory and critical race theory.

00:39:53.560 We were talking about Pete Buttigieg off air earlier because of his recent, you know, white boy, soy boy support of Kamala Harris.

00:40:00.760 So this is fascinating.

00:40:02.580 So the critical cultural Marxist race theorists flee Frankfurt because some of them were German Jews.

00:40:09.240 And so they actually feared Hitler.

00:40:10.420 So the Frankfurt School was moved from Frankfurt, Germany to Columbia University.

00:40:13.980 And they became the kind of the fathers of the radical hippie movement and the radical yippie movement and later became tenured professors at American universities.

00:40:23.500 There we go.

00:40:24.360 The Frankfurt School was based off of the letters and writings of Antonio Gramsci, who had studied Marx.

00:40:34.740 But Gramsci, one of Fowler Mussolini, and spent the rest of his life in prison.

00:40:39.180 And he wrote and read voluminously.

00:40:41.820 He even read Chesterton and all these authors.

00:40:43.800 But we have his prison letters that were kind of the intellectual basis for the founding of the Frankfurt School.

00:40:51.320 Well, a few years ago, a American expert in Gramsci and cultural Marxism and critical theory translated Antonio Gramsci's prison letters into English for American leftists to read and study.

00:41:07.660 He was a professor by the name of Joseph Buttigieg, the father of a certain mayor, Pete Buttigieg.

00:41:17.580 So all these people are Marxists is actually what I'm trying to say, Ali.

00:41:21.880 And it's not even an exaggeration.

00:41:23.560 I feel like in 2020, people used to make fun of that term Marxist as if we didn't know what we were talking about.

00:41:28.720 No, we're speaking literally.

00:41:30.700 And I know we're talking about your project, but because we have this clip that you kind of alluded to of Pete Buttigieg saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to abortion, let's play it.

00:41:40.700 It's thought five.

00:41:43.440 I'm so glad she has made freedom the theme of her campaign, because I think in so many ways that's what's at stake.

00:41:49.100 And yes, women's freedom is exhibit A after Donald Trump demolished the right to choose. 1.00

00:41:54.180 But, of course, men are also more free in a country where we have a president who stands up for things like access to abortion care.

00:42:03.600 Men are more free when the leader of the free world and the leader of this country supports access to birth control.

00:42:11.700 OK, so deadbeats are freer to be deadbeats when they can knock a girl up and then pressure her to get an abortion. 0.98

00:42:19.760 Oh, wow. Shocking.

00:42:21.300 Yeah, yeah. So now we know a little bit of the heritage and ideologies that created the Buttigieg family and why he would say such an evil, evil thing.

00:42:31.620 Yes, of course, every every sexually liberated degenerate man loves abortion rights, abortions rights or pro-choice men's rights, I guess.

00:42:42.040 Exactly. So so this is this this literally is cultural Marxism, except except instead of being driven by economics and politics, the cultural Marxists realized a long time ago, Ali, that the riots in the street, you know, the police free zone in Seattle burning down Ferguson.

00:42:59.800 This wasn't working to usher in the revolution. And so they began to change their playbook that if we're going to change the culture, we've got to approach it culturally.

00:43:08.860 We have to focus on winning the robes of society. This was a line that came from Antonio Gramsci.

00:43:13.900 Again, let me say this again. Pete Buttigieg's dad is the American expert on Antonio Gramsci and cultural Marxism.

00:43:19.520 So that's why he's the degenerate. And that's why Pete sounds like that.

00:43:23.000 OK, right. But Antonio Gramsci talked about this thing called the strategy of the robes.

00:43:28.160 And he said, if we can win the robes of academia, the robes of the courts, the robes of the clergy and the robes of the scientific organizations, then the revolution will happen without guns.

00:43:36.620 In fact, Max Horkheimer, one of the first members of the Frankfurt School, literally said this.

00:43:41.220 Max Horkheimer said the revolution will not happen with guns. Rather, it will happen incrementally.

00:43:45.680 Year by year, we will infiltrate their institutions, turning them into Marxist egalitarian institutions.

00:43:51.400 So these people spoke openly about what their plan was.

00:43:54.460 OK, you're not a conspiracy theorist.

00:43:56.520 And we trace all this and have all the receipts for all these kind of things that we just talked about in my book, The 1916 Project.

00:44:02.760 And it's also a film, of course. But so anyways, that's the background of all this stuff.

00:44:06.180 So when you get the 1619 Project with Nicole Hannah-Jones, she's the product of that.

00:44:12.640 It's the Great Commission flipped upside down.

00:44:14.380 They've done better to disciple the next generation with paganism and humanism and to pour in and disciple young men and women into their paganism than we have done to disciple young believers in the church for the last hundred years.

00:44:27.040 So she writes the 1619 Project, you remember, and she says, what's the title of the 1619 Project?

00:44:31.920 A New Founding.

00:44:33.160 And they said America's founding shouldn't even be 1776.

00:44:36.060 It should be 1619 when the first black slaves come to American shores. 1.00

00:44:39.760 That event of the first black slaves coming to American shores, it's so indicative and representative of who we are today because we're so racist and we're such a horrible country.

00:44:49.140 And that's why we need to defund the police because the police force a long time ago was used to capture escaped slaves and return them to their plantation owners.

00:44:57.880 And so because that was racist back then, there's nothing redeemable about it now.

00:45:01.100 In other words, when the roots are racist and the genesis is racist, then it will continue to be racist moving forward.

00:45:08.100 There's no way to, like, redeem something that was founded on racism.

00:45:12.800 You've got to burn the whole thing down.

00:45:14.440 And sometimes they did.

00:45:15.480 They burned down police stations and courthouses.

00:45:17.740 So that's what drives the 1619 Project. 0.94

00:45:19.840 It became curriculum in many K-12 schools in America.

00:45:22.680 It's now a special on Hulu.

00:45:24.480 Have you seen the docu-series on Hulu?

00:45:26.320 I haven't watched it, but yes.

00:45:27.680 Yeah, so this has become very influential and significant.

00:45:30.820 But that was nine months before George Floyd.

00:45:33.000 People forget this.

00:45:33.660 This was the fall of 2019.

00:45:35.380 Isn't that interesting?

00:45:36.440 So then what's the first and only word that progressives and liberals at our journalistic institutions of power are itching to scream when the George Floyd thing happened?

00:45:48.120 Racism.

00:45:48.480 That's the only explanation.

00:45:49.500 There's no other explanations. 0.97

00:45:50.440 And if you say there might be another explanation, that's proof of why you're a racist. 0.92

00:45:53.660 Okay? 0.84

00:45:53.960 Circular reasoning.

00:45:54.780 It's an unfalso viable premise. 0.99

00:45:55.800 But shut up. 0.96

00:45:56.380 Silence is violence. 1.00

00:45:57.460 Post a black square. 1.00

00:45:58.240 You bigot. 1.00

00:45:58.880 Yeah.

00:45:59.060 And so then this drives the cancel culture of 2020.

00:46:02.940 Yes.

00:46:03.580 Of canceling anything that the 1619 disciples, Allie, argued had vestiges of racism.

00:46:11.660 So Aunt Jemima.

00:46:12.960 Yeah.

00:46:13.480 We had to cancel the serve, lady.

00:46:14.700 Because that's a racist undertones back when it was founded.

00:46:19.260 And now here's where it gets to 1916.

00:46:21.740 And here's where this story of this tension between 1619 and 1916 is so interesting.

00:46:27.260 You know the phrase, the revolution always eats its own.

00:46:30.580 Its own, yeah.

00:46:31.140 So the left, and oh, by the way, what did they call the summer of 2020?

00:46:35.360 The 1619 riots.

00:46:37.020 Yeah.

00:46:37.220 People called it the 1619 riots.

00:46:38.640 So they were connecting it.

00:46:39.800 And actually, I just, you know, this pops into my head because I actually saw this again the other day.

00:46:44.340 It was a post by Lecrae, whom you've already mentioned, and this was right after George Floyd and was when all the riots were happening.

00:46:50.920 And he posted a picture on his Instagram, it's still there, that said that, you know, George Floyd was not a wake-up call.

00:46:58.200 The alarm has been sounding since 1619, and you have just been hitting snooze.

00:47:04.520 That is exactly what you're talking about, that George Floyd, who died, we had to assume because of races involved.

00:47:12.340 It was because of racism, but that is actually because of 1619.

00:47:18.660 Yeah, that's the only explanation.

00:47:19.480 So, I mean, how convenient is it that 1619 was already stoking the embers, stoking the flames before?

00:47:27.060 That's right.

00:47:27.380 Oh, and it was being pushed on, like, every mainstream liberal news site and organization.

00:47:31.340 I mean, it really gave the progressives whose poor, miserable lives have no meaning something to talk about in Martha's Vineyard cocktail parties.

00:47:38.900 And it's not true.

00:47:39.660 That's the most important thing.

00:47:40.580 It's not true.

00:47:41.280 Yeah, that's right.

00:47:41.960 A huge influence on the culture, right?

00:47:44.740 And by the way, if you've read the 1619 Project and the series of essays that Nicole Hannah-Jones had her critical race theorist friends publish in this book, what they did was they sought to link those first black slaves coming to American shores in 1619 with everything racist in the country.

00:47:57.640 So, like, the disparity in health between black women and white women, the disparity of maternal death from pregnancy from black women and white women, police shootings, the incarceration rate.

00:48:08.640 I mean, everything is 1619, 1619, 1619.

00:48:11.160 Yeah.

00:48:11.340 So, so now the left eats its own.

00:48:13.420 And so the disciples of the 1619 Project.

00:48:15.740 So I'm talking pro-abortion Marxists. 0.54

00:48:17.480 These are not our friends, Allie.

00:48:18.560 Pro-abortion Marxists went after Planned Parenthood in July of 2020.

00:48:25.080 Why?

00:48:25.560 Because everything is racist, right?

00:48:28.300 And so they said, your founder, Margaret Sanger, you know what? 0.80

00:48:30.920 She was a racist and a eugenicist. 0.64

00:48:32.820 Now, this is like theater for me. 0.99

00:48:34.060 I was like, front row, give me a big popcorn soda.

00:48:36.660 Like, this is hilarious.

00:48:37.640 Yeah.

00:48:37.760 This is hilarious.

00:48:39.360 And we've been saying this for 100 years.

00:48:41.120 I mean, Chesterton was saying this, you know, Francis Schaefer, like, all of the watchmen on the walls.

00:48:46.860 It's my pinned tweet on my ex from 2020.

00:48:49.940 It says, if we're getting rid of everything that was founded by white supremacy, we've got to do away with Planned Parenthood.

00:48:54.980 But I didn't know that pro-abortionists at the time were saying it.

00:48:58.220 Yeah, well said.

00:48:58.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:59.520 So it's interesting when we're on the same side here with them saying, yeah, your Planned Parenthood is racist.

00:49:03.880 But and so then Karen Seltzer, the director of Planned Parenthood of Greater New York, came out July 2020.

00:49:10.680 I think this was probably the least covered news story in conservative news media because it's fascinating.

00:49:15.020 And she said, we're done making excuses for our founder and the damage that she did to communities of color.

00:49:24.980 I was like, what?

00:49:26.440 And then their flagship Planned Parenthood clinic is in Manhattan, was called the Sanger Health Center.

00:49:32.160 And the corner it sits on on Bleecker Street was called the Margaret Sanger Square.

00:49:36.460 So the city had called that corner the Sanger Square and the Planned Parenthood had called their building Sanger.

00:49:41.840 Both canceled her. 0.54

00:49:42.900 So the Margaret Sanger Square sign was taken off and they renamed the building and they took her name off it.

00:49:47.220 It's no longer called the Sanger Planned Parenthood Health Center.

00:49:49.820 So the left ate their own.

00:49:52.260 Planned Parenthood says our founders are racist.

00:49:54.040 But remember, what's the premises and claims of critical race theorists, Allie?

00:49:57.780 That if something's founded and based on such bigotry and racism, it's irredeemable.

00:50:03.320 You can't save it.

00:50:05.080 You have to tear the whole thing down.

00:50:06.960 Did they do that with Planned Parenthood?

00:50:08.400 No, of course not. 1.00

00:50:08.980 Because all those claims of critical race theorists are garbage. 0.99

00:50:11.680 They don't actually mean or believe any of it. 0.99

00:50:13.820 Very few of them do.

00:50:14.920 Because they didn't call for the defunding of Planned Parenthood or the elimination or the destruction of Planned Parenthood.

00:50:22.020 And so basically Planned Parenthood said, yeah, our roots are super racist, but the tree will continue to grow unfettered.

00:50:28.220 So that is how the disciples of the 1619 Project got Planned Parenthood to cancel their founder and admit she was a racist.

00:50:38.660 What happened in 1916?

00:50:41.400 Well, that woman, Margaret Sanger, opened her first clinic in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York.

00:50:46.480 That became the first Planned Parenthood, quote unquote, clinic.

00:50:50.240 And with whatever time we have left, the details behind that revolution, the founding of Planned Parenthood, the religion and ideologies, individuals and revolutionaries that were wrapped up in that experiment are more shocking than most Americans are even prepared to begin hearing the answers for.

00:51:05.480 But I think post-2020, Americans and believers are a little bit more ready to hear answers to questions that if I had given them in 2018, they would have called me an Alex Jones conspiracy theorist.

00:51:16.960 And now I think people are going, oh, I bet I've been lied to.

00:51:20.080 And I bet there's a deeper truth to this stuff.

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00:52:45.260 Gosh, when I was watching the 1916 Project and y'all were piecing these things together, it was so funny because, again, this just goes back to how there is one Holy Spirit and He is so often working in a parallel way among believers at the same time.

00:53:06.660 You and I coming from different places.

00:53:08.780 But thankfully, I knew a lot of the things that you were talking about.

00:53:13.120 Now, I had freshly learned them because I had been researching a chapter that I just wrote on abortion, and I did not know a lot of these connections.

00:53:21.260 But in just doing my own research, making the connection from Margaret Sanger to Francis Galton to Charles Darwin, I had written that out recently.

00:53:31.800 And then when I saw y'all map it out, y'all fleshed it out a lot more than I did, and y'all even introduced people that I had not heard of.

00:53:38.540 But I'm like, okay, obviously, the Lord wants the church to know this because He is using multiple people.

00:53:44.780 He is revealing this to multiple people, and the time is now.

00:53:48.400 So you're the best person, though, to give us the summary.

00:53:51.840 I mean, we could talk about this for three hours.

00:53:53.880 Tell us a little bit about that philosophical, even theological legacy, but also the mentorship that led to Margaret Sanger.

00:54:04.540 Yeah, the Great Commission flipped upside down.

00:54:06.460 Yes, okay, you're making my wheels turn so much.

00:54:09.060 I'm realizing, like, in Stranger Things, that, okay, this kind of goes back to Matt Chandler's thing.

00:54:14.660 Yes, it's like, okay, Matt Chandler says they want the kingdom and not the king.

00:54:19.100 Maybe that's true, but it's the upside down one.

00:54:21.600 Like, you say, okay, the redemption part.

00:54:25.120 Like, an institution like Planned Parenthood can only be redeemed, or can't be redeemed because, you know, it started by a white supremacist, but they keep it around anyway.

00:54:36.900 But maybe it's actually because their definition of redemption is the exact opposite of what it is.

00:54:42.820 Their definition of redemption is using something for the purpose of destruction.

00:54:46.980 So that's why they keep the universities around.

00:54:49.100 That's why they keep the CDC around.

00:54:50.440 That's why they keep the federal government around, because their idea of redemption is actually wresting power away for their own destructive purposes.

00:54:57.640 So it really is like the upside down world.

00:55:00.340 I'm sorry, but you've got my wheels turning now.

00:55:02.780 So, okay, go with Margaret Sanger.

00:55:04.600 That was really, really well said, Ellie.

00:55:07.700 Dietrich Bonhoeffer once said, political action means taking on responsibility.

00:55:12.760 This cannot happen without power.

00:55:15.020 Power is to serve responsibility.

00:55:18.420 Power, like money, is not inherently bad.

00:55:20.480 It's a tool, and it can be corrupted or it can be used for wonderful things.

00:55:24.340 And this is why we need Christian nationalism. 0.70

00:55:26.600 I mean, I'm half joking.

00:55:27.840 I don't even know what that phrase means. 0.99

00:55:28.900 But yes, we need Christians exercising political power and getting elected, because we can't trust the petulant, spoiled, neo-Malthusian, Hillary Clinton, Klaus Schwab, kill the babies and destroy the family revolutionaries. 0.99

00:55:39.060 To be trusted with power, to take this country in any kind of good direction whatsoever. 0.96

00:55:43.280 We need Christian resistance and leadership once again. 0.99

00:55:46.260 And why?

00:55:47.040 Because of this long walk through the institutions that's been going on so long.

00:55:49.960 So how do we trace that?

00:55:51.260 Well, in our film and book, The 1916 Project, which, by the way, go to the1916project.com to host a screening at your church or pre-order the book.

00:55:59.740 But there's this thing called Godwin's Law.

00:56:03.260 It's like when all you can do is relate things to Hitler. 0.81

00:56:05.560 And so sometimes I get accused of that because I talk about all these links between the Third Reich and eugenics and Nazism and the American leftists.

00:56:13.340 But we don't go straight back to Hitler.

00:56:15.200 We go back to like 1798 when a man named Thomas Malthus, who was, by the way, a pastor.

00:56:22.420 Goodness gracious.

00:56:24.200 Thomas Malthus, Ali, for your listeners, is the first Klaus Schwab Bill Gates.

00:56:29.500 He's the first.

00:56:30.200 There's too many people on planet Earth.

00:56:32.620 And he began to teach and write that food production can't keep up with population growth.

00:56:42.000 So inevitably, we would reach a population bomb.

00:56:47.060 And we'd actually have mass starvation, actually.

00:56:50.480 And so he writes his book, The Essay on the Principle of Population, over many, many years.

00:56:55.680 And Charles Darwin read Malthus's writing, and it influenced him probably more than any other person.

00:57:04.260 I mean, Thomas Malthus in his book, Ali, called for like building our towns near marshy, unwholesome swamps to encourage the outbreak of disease to curb the population.

00:57:15.740 So those poor people, you know, they won't have kids.

00:57:18.640 And there was this recent clip from Bernie Sanders that proves exactly what I'm talking about.

00:57:22.260 He was running for president, right?

00:57:23.280 2019.

00:57:23.940 And he went on to a CNN climate catastrophe town hall.

00:57:27.420 So this was about the climate, not about abortion, Ali.

00:57:29.760 And he said, you got to go to the Wayback Machine to find this, by the way.

00:57:32.900 He said, the way you fight the climate catastrophe, you know, the sun god, he's so pissed at us, is we have to fund abortions in poor countries.

00:57:42.060 Bernie Sanders said that on national television.

00:57:43.660 So, I mean, they all say that.

00:57:45.440 Same thing.

00:57:45.920 Thomas Harris has said the same thing.

00:57:47.120 We've got to sacrifice humans because the sun god, Mother Gaia, right?

00:57:51.120 I mean, Mother Earth. 0.85

00:57:52.180 I mean, she's ticked at us. 0.60

00:57:54.100 And obviously, animals and plants and the earth are more valuable than humans.

00:57:57.260 And so we just kind of have to sacrifice humans so the sun doesn't burn us all up or we enter an ice age.

00:58:02.460 I don't know, one or the other.

00:58:03.720 So Thomas Malthus encouraged these kinds of things. 0.82

00:58:06.840 He was a demon.

00:58:07.400 But Darwin read Malthus's writings.

00:58:09.680 And this is where we get the phrase neo-Malthusianism.

00:58:11.660 Yes.

00:58:12.200 So Malthus, Malthusianism.

00:58:14.120 Sanger called some of her conferences neo-Malthusian conferences.

00:58:16.820 She was part of the Malthusian League when she had to take refuge in the UK for getting arrested for publishing information on birth control.

00:58:23.940 Yep.

00:58:24.320 And we'll get to that.

00:58:25.280 But good.

00:58:25.820 Oh, sorry.

00:58:26.700 So Darwin then.

00:58:27.280 No, no, no.

00:58:27.860 Let's jump all over the place. 1.00

00:58:29.000 You kind of have to to put the pieces together, right?

00:58:30.600 But so then Darwin writes Origin of Species and his cousin, Francis Galton, read Darwin's writings.

00:58:41.580 And I've read enough Galton to know how influential his cousin was on him.

00:58:46.540 He credits Darwin's writings as being the most influential factor in him coining a term years later.

00:58:53.300 And that term was eugenics.

00:58:55.760 So he's the modern father of the eugenics movement. 0.90

00:58:58.620 Eugenics means good in birth.

00:59:00.500 That's the root, which means some people are not good in birth.

00:59:03.500 So there's good genes and bad genes.

00:59:05.240 Some people should reproduce and some people should not reproduce.

00:59:08.820 So we went awfully quickly from Darwinism, survival of the fittest.

00:59:13.280 This is an animal kingdom.

00:59:14.500 And in the animal kingdom alley, the strong survive and the weak die.

00:59:17.920 To the apple not falling far from the tree.

00:59:19.600 In the same family, Francis Galton says, well, actually, the strong must kill the weak in order to survive the elimination of the unfit.

00:59:27.040 So survival of the fittest to elimination of the unfit.

00:59:30.420 Darwinism to eugenics like that. 0.76

00:59:32.440 Pretty fascinating.

00:59:33.780 Chesterton once said, if Darwinism is the doctrine of the survival of the fittest, then eugenics was the doctrine of the survival of the nastiest.

00:59:42.160 Because who's alive behind the aims of eugenics? 0.97

00:59:44.780 Some of the nastiest human beings that you could possibly imagine.

00:59:47.300 Well, then Galton influences and mentors this guy named Havelock Ellis. 0.91

00:59:53.580 Havelock Ellis was the Kinsey equivalent in England.

01:00:01.060 He wrote over a hundred books on every form of weird sexual libertinism.

01:00:08.280 Okay, let's keep it PG-13, I guess. 0.96

01:00:11.060 And he loved to host orgies in his home. 0.80

01:00:14.680 He liked to experiment with hallucinogens while having orgies with both men and women. 0.95

01:00:19.860 And he would make his wife watch him while he did these things. 0.63

01:00:23.040 So he was a eugenicist.

01:00:24.900 He wrote openly about eugenics.

01:00:26.240 Obviously, he was being mentored by Francis Galton, the modern father of eugenics.

01:00:30.680 Havelock Ellis was himself impotent.

01:00:32.700 So he was always trying to find new ways to get excited.

01:00:34.980 Like Alfred Kinsey, by the way, Allie, like Alfred Kinsey.

01:00:38.380 So when Sanger publishes her magazine in 1914, Woman Rebel, with the tagline, no gods and no masters,

01:00:48.160 she had been mentored by Emma Goldman, who was an anarchist and communist, and another of the protégés of Havelock Ellis.

01:00:56.800 So, I mean, the discipleship here, the secular discipleship here is wild.

01:01:01.340 Havelock Ellis mentored Emma Goldman, who published a magazine called Mother Earth.

01:01:05.640 And we've come full circle.

01:01:07.160 Goodness.

01:01:07.700 Mother Gaia.

01:01:08.580 Yeah.

01:01:09.240 She then mentored Sanger.

01:01:11.360 Sanger was so infatuated by Havelock Ellis that when she fled New York City for breaking the law for the Comstock laws,

01:01:19.660 these are anti-obscenity laws, with her weird magazines on sexual license and libertinism and illegal forms of birth control methods that were not really legal. 0.58

01:01:29.840 Rather than get arrested, she fleed to England for 18 months, and she sought out Havelock Ellis.

01:01:36.060 Now, why does all this stuff matter, guys?

01:01:37.240 Because I'm telling you the history and the seed that became the founding.

01:01:40.320 I think it's fascinating.

01:01:41.040 Of the largest, one of the largest, best funded and most profitable 501c3 organizations in human history.

01:01:46.860 Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the world.

01:01:49.660 The largest provider of the comprehensive pornographic sexuality education in America's public schools.

01:01:54.000 Planned Parenthood claims that on their own website.

01:01:56.020 And last year, Planned Parenthood is now the second largest provider of trans drugs for teens, puberty blockers, and cross-sex hormones.

01:02:03.100 So she spends 18 months, and while in England, she meets the Neo-Malthusians. 1.00

01:02:07.640 And she joins the Neo-Malthusians, this belief that there's too many people on planet Earth.

01:02:12.100 Sanger started an affair with Havelock Ellis, also with H.G. Wells,

01:02:17.100 and many, many, many, many, many other men, okay?

01:02:20.720 And Havelock Ellis coached her to go back to New York and launch her first birth control clinic. 0.72

01:02:28.380 But he told her, you know, Sanger, you're too intense.

01:02:30.780 You're talking about too much about communism and anarchism.

01:02:33.640 Like, that's not popular in the West.

01:02:36.080 You need to focus on the more scientific-sounding themes of Neo-Malthusianism and eugenics.

01:02:42.160 Because back then, these ideas were quite popular among progressives.

01:02:47.360 And so she comes back to New York, and that's when, in 1916, she opens the first clinic.

01:02:53.780 She's arrested for her and her sister performing illegal birth control methods

01:02:59.400 because they couldn't find any doctors to help them.

01:03:01.860 And when she's released from prison in 1917, she starts her magazine,

01:03:06.380 The Birth Control Review, where we find some of the most vile human beings, 1.00

01:03:11.960 friends, and guest writer for her magazine, some of them even serving in Hitler's Third Reich.

01:03:18.420 Yeah.

01:03:18.640 I mean, that concept of, I don't know how to pronounce it in German,

01:03:21.860 Rosenhygiene, the, you know, the clean, pure race, 1.00

01:03:26.640 and eugenics, which, of course, Margaret Sanger championed.

01:03:31.200 I mean, those two things really go hand in hand.

01:03:34.120 They're basically the same concept.

01:03:36.060 Of course, she didn't, as far as we know, have it out for Jews specifically.

01:03:40.500 But, of course, she had her Negro Project, which was basically a parallel in some ways.

01:03:45.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:45.800 So, yes, in 1939, she founded the Negro Project.

01:03:49.120 But one of the men who wrote for her magazine, he was an advisor and friend of Margaret Sanger, Allie.

01:03:56.480 He was the founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene.

01:04:01.140 There we go.

01:04:01.860 What?

01:04:02.400 So, listen to me.

01:04:03.360 It's okay, listener.

01:04:04.220 Pause.

01:04:04.620 It's okay.

01:04:05.120 Calm down.

01:04:05.960 This is true.

01:04:06.980 You're not wearing a tin hat, okay?

01:04:08.900 His name is Ernst Rudin.

01:04:11.160 Ernst Rudin.

01:04:12.880 And he wrote an article in Sanger's Birth Control Review.

01:04:15.740 Let me tell you again, this is her magazine.

01:04:17.740 It's where she platformed these ideas and invited her radical eugenicist, Neo Malthusian, one world government, too many people on planet Earth, friends from around the globe to write in.

01:04:26.040 By the way, the tagline of that magazine early on said, to create a race of thoroughbreds.

01:04:30.960 Okay.

01:04:32.180 And Ernst Rudin wrote an article in Planned Parents Magazine called Eugenic Sterilization in Urgent Need.

01:04:42.080 It's very urgent that we sterilize people that we don't want to have having kids and reproducing. 1.00

01:04:48.000 And he had taken an early role in organizing the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene.

01:04:54.980 He was later Hitler's director of genetic sterilization and euthanasia program and was called by the Nazi.

01:05:03.360 And this is all in my book, by the way.

01:05:04.500 If you want the receipts and you're like, Seth is a weirdo, there's no way this is true.

01:05:07.940 It's all in the book.

01:05:08.700 The third right called Ernst Rudin the predominant medical presence behind the euthanasia program.

01:05:19.560 I mean, this is he had actually received an award from Hitler on eugenics. 0.76

01:05:24.980 This is Sanger's advisor, friend, and guest writer for her magazine.

01:05:29.740 And then in 1921, she founded the American Birth Control League, later renamed Planned Parenthood.

01:05:36.640 Now, talking about the need for the church alley, there's this guy named G.K. Chesterton.

01:05:42.100 He's credited today as the bold, most vocal Christian voice against the eugenicists and the eugenics movement in the West.

01:05:50.060 He wrote an article in the Illustrated London News where he published every week for over 10 years.

01:05:56.660 This was about nine months before Planned Parenthood was founded.

01:06:00.520 And here's what he said.

01:06:01.520 He said, we are not so very far off from even the sacrifice of babies, if not to a crocodile, at least to a creed.

01:06:14.380 The creed of eugenics, the creed of neo-Malthusianism. 0.79

01:06:17.620 He saw it all.

01:06:18.960 Now, when she founded Planned Parenthood in 1921, Allie, Sanger was not intending to do abortions. 0.99

01:06:25.240 Now, I have all the proof in my book, The 1916 Project, of her pro-abortion tendencies in the late 20s and early 30s. 0.62

01:06:32.540 I do believe she favored abortion.

01:06:33.980 A lot of pro-lifers say she didn't.

01:06:35.520 I have some receipts that show her pro-abortion language that it was very difficult for me to find.

01:06:39.720 I don't know why she would have been against it.

01:06:41.660 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:42.640 But a lot of people say, no, she wasn't pro-abortion.

01:06:44.300 She was just for birth control. 0.99

01:06:45.320 And I think I can actually disprove that.

01:06:47.080 But what did Chesterton see?

01:06:50.400 Nine months before Planned Parenthood was founded.

01:06:52.060 Nine months.

01:06:52.600 Interesting.

01:06:52.800 This is going to end in sacrificing babies. 1.00

01:06:57.900 Yeah.

01:06:58.180 He saw it all before anyone else.

01:06:59.300 And so in 1921, when Planned Parenthood was established, and of course, I know we probably have to wrap up soon, but this is one of the most shocking final items of how this all happened.

01:07:09.900 The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was named Lothrop Stoddard.

01:07:13.100 This is so difficult to find that if you Google this name, you'll read a lot of shocking things about him on the first two pages of Google, but hardly any of them, if any of them, refer to the fact that he was a founding board member of Planned Parenthood.

01:07:26.660 Lothrop Stoddard was the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK, the Ku Klux Klan.

01:07:32.520 He was one of the intellectual leaders of the KKK, actually.

01:07:35.500 His writings influenced the KKK heavily. 0.56

01:07:37.740 So this is the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK, Lothrop Stoddard.

01:07:42.220 He wrote a book called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

01:07:48.160 And then he wrote another book called The Menace of the Underman.

01:07:51.340 Ooh.

01:07:52.100 Who's the underman?

01:07:53.340 Right. 0.97

01:07:53.600 Black, Slavs, Italians, Jews, and the mentally and physically disabled, to name a few. 1.00

01:07:57.860 And so they're a menace, and that's the underman. 0.98

01:08:00.320 And this book became so popular in eugenic circles, it was translated into German.

01:08:08.740 Yeah.

01:08:09.440 And I recently got in the mail, and we have a picture of it in the film, The 1916 Project.

01:08:14.640 I recently purchased a $320 used edition of his book in German that I got from Europe.

01:08:23.400 It's the only one I could find available online because I'm buying this stuff before it's gone,

01:08:26.680 and you can't find it anymore.

01:08:27.920 Right, right.

01:08:28.180 And that word underman, in the German translated edition, says The Menace of the Untermenschen.

01:08:38.620 Untermenschen.

01:08:39.920 Heinrich Himmler later wrote a famous Nazi propaganda book called Untermensch, which later was a way

01:08:47.360 to say subhuman.

01:08:48.600 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:48.900 The Jews are subhuman. 1.00

01:08:49.760 Now, historians believe that the Nazis did not begin to use the word Untermensch to describe 0.91

01:08:58.320 those that they would exterminate until the German translated version of Lothrop Stoddard's

01:09:04.900 book, The Menace of the Underman.

01:09:06.660 So Hitler's chief racial theorist, Alfred Rosenberg, appropriated the German term Untermensch from the

01:09:14.680 English version of Lothrop Stoddard's book, The Menace of the Underman, Sanger's guest

01:09:19.180 writer, friend, financier, and the founding board member of the largest abortion provider

01:09:25.020 in the world.

01:09:25.620 He was so well loved by the Nazis, Allie, that they invited him to the Third Reich in 1939.

01:09:31.560 And he's the only American to have had a one-on-one meeting with Hitler after he rose to power.

01:09:36.860 Oh my goodness.

01:09:37.980 So that's just a little bit.

01:09:39.060 Just a little bit.

01:09:40.780 And people, you know, they don't realize how this ideology still lives on today through people

01:09:46.020 like Warren Buffett.

01:09:47.020 Warren Buffett has been described by people who know him as having a what?

01:09:51.200 A Malthusian dread of overpopulation.

01:09:54.300 If you listen to the WEF at Davos every year, what is he talking about?

01:09:58.260 What is Bill Gates talking about?

01:09:59.920 All the same stuff.

01:10:00.660 And the, you know, all the environmentalists, Klaus Schwab, they're all talking about overpopulation.

01:10:07.080 Bill Gates' dad sat on the board of Planned Parenthood many years ago.

01:10:08.920 Yes, yes.

01:10:09.620 And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, some of the biggest funders of abortion throughout

01:10:15.380 the world.

01:10:15.940 We're talking Rockefeller involvement as well.

01:10:20.420 The Rockefellers funded eugenics, Nazi scientific research organizations in the Third Reich, actually. 0.89

01:10:26.060 It was called the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics, and Science in Berlin.

01:10:33.020 And it was funded by the Rockefellers. 0.62

01:10:34.900 And the guy who led it in the early 30s was Eugen Fischer.

01:10:40.140 And Eugen Fischer had run a concentration camp in German-controlled Southwest Africa prior

01:10:45.200 to World War I, where he experimented on, starved, and murdered Native Africans and would scalp 0.96

01:10:50.940 them and do experiments.

01:10:52.380 Well, in 1927, Sanger hosted the first overpopulation conference.

01:10:56.960 People don't know this.

01:10:57.980 Margaret Sanger hosted the first world conference to address the problem of overpopulation.

01:11:03.000 It was called the World Population Conference in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1927.

01:11:07.800 And guess who she invited to come speak at her conference?

01:11:10.120 Eugen Fischer, who was the director of the Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Eugenics, and

01:11:15.400 Science in Berlin, funded by the Rockefellers. 0.99

01:11:17.280 When Eugen Fischer had to step down because he was getting too old, his protege was Atmar 0.97

01:11:23.360 von Vorschur.

01:11:24.720 Atmar von Vorschur popularized the Nazi Party's studies on twins.

01:11:29.840 And his assistant was Joseph Mengele, the angel of death.

01:11:35.640 Oh, my goodness.

01:11:36.940 So a few more connections.

01:11:38.560 I mean, there's so much more.

01:11:40.300 We could literally talk about this.

01:11:41.620 You know, as you were talking, I was thinking, I am going to pray and I hope people out there

01:11:46.100 pray, I really want you to go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

01:11:50.220 I know that's like everyone's dream because he's there.

01:11:52.520 Our prayer team is praying about that.

01:11:53.360 No, but seriously, and not everyone can.

01:11:56.920 And like I, you know, it's not a good fit for everyone, but he does like to go through

01:12:02.000 history and connections and you'd be the perfect person for that.

01:12:04.700 So I'm going to pray for that.

01:12:09.600 All right.

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01:13:28.340 We only have such a small amount of time left.

01:13:35.480 And yet I want to talk very quickly and you can summarize it about the other part of this

01:13:40.680 documentary because it's not just about making these connections as a fascinating part of

01:13:44.680 it.

01:13:44.960 And that definitely had my brain tickling as I was watching it.

01:13:47.800 But the part that made me cry was this beautiful redemptive part that you're talking about.

01:13:54.020 You're talking about this church who is saving babies from the slaughter on a daily basis.

01:14:00.100 That's one of thousands of churches across the country who kind of represent what you're

01:14:04.680 talking about, about this white rose resistance.

01:14:06.900 So here's my challenge for you.

01:14:08.300 And the next couple of minutes, can you tell us about what that good resistance looks like?

01:14:13.100 We've talked about the bad parts of the church, not doing enough.

01:14:15.740 What does that good resistance look like right now?

01:14:18.480 Why white rose?

01:14:20.740 Where does that come from?

01:14:22.480 Tell us about that.

01:14:23.480 Yeah.

01:14:23.860 So I've been aware of the white rose resistance for a lot of years because when you're in the

01:14:27.540 pro-life movement, you kind of hear the stories of brave heroes who stood against injustices

01:14:32.280 in the past.

01:14:33.040 So I'd known their story, but I started studying it a lot in 2021.

01:14:35.980 And it was these kids in their 20s in Nazi Germany, except for one professor, but they

01:14:43.800 were all in their 20s.

01:14:45.080 And there was in Munich in 1942.

01:14:47.860 And one day, a young woman named Sophie, who's the namesake of my third child and my daughter,

01:14:53.280 Sophie, she was walking the sidewalks in Munich and she wanted to become a school teacher and

01:14:57.360 she loved Jesus.

01:14:58.620 Her father had spent some time in prison for being too vocal against the Fuhrer. 0.89

01:15:03.980 Um, so she came from good stock and, uh, she found this paper on the ground in Munich and

01:15:08.940 it said, leaflets of the white rose.

01:15:11.680 And she started reading this and it was calling out the crimes of eugenics and the evil of 0.98

01:15:16.240 the Nazis and asking Christians to stand and to do something.

01:15:19.740 And it said in this leaflet, if you know, why do you not act?

01:15:23.040 It said, we are the white rose resistance and we are your bad conscience and we will not

01:15:27.580 leave you alone.

01:15:28.660 And so she's reading this leaflet in 1942, Allie, and she's thinking, uh, my brother,

01:15:33.980 um, Hans talks like this at dinner.

01:15:37.360 Why does this sound like one of my brother's rants?

01:15:40.080 Right.

01:15:40.680 Uh, turns out her 24 year old brother Hans was not only leading, but had co-founded the

01:15:46.580 white rose resistance, this anti-Nazi Christian resistance movement.

01:15:49.680 So she demanded to join the white rose resistance and she became the only woman and the youngest

01:15:55.300 member of the white rose.

01:15:56.500 And so they spent the rest of the year, uh, writing, staying up late, printing and distributing

01:16:01.020 these illegal leaflets around Germany.

01:16:03.020 Um, in 1943, they took things to the next level.

01:16:06.500 And on February 18th, they walked onto the campus at the university of Munich where we

01:16:12.000 filmed, we filmed there for my movie.

01:16:14.020 And, uh, you know, Allie, as most people do, but I'll just remind you the universities like

01:16:19.000 the clergy had been co-opted by the third Reich.

01:16:21.980 So this was not a safe thing to do.

01:16:23.580 And while class was in session and the halls were quiet, they walked to the halls of the

01:16:27.820 university of Munich, dropping these illegal leaflets outside of the classroom doors of

01:16:32.220 the university.

01:16:32.720 And then the bell rings and class begins to be dismissed.

01:16:37.440 And Sophie had 100 leaflets left in her hand.

01:16:40.040 So she ran three stories up to the third floor balcony where I was standing in December.

01:16:45.440 And she threw 100 leaflets, three stories down to the atrium of the university below.

01:16:50.820 Uh, the janitor who was a committed Nazi caught Hans and Sophie in the act called the Gestapo

01:16:55.320 right there.

01:16:55.900 And they were arrested on, on February 18th, 1943, uh, four days later, February 22nd.

01:17:02.060 Um, they were put on a guillotine, um, and they were beheaded.

01:17:06.660 And in those four days in prison, I think, um, Sophie spoke more prophetically, um, than

01:17:11.860 anyone of her age, certainly, and more so than even most believers at that time.

01:17:17.100 And she said, how can we expect righteousness to prevail when there's hardly anyone willing

01:17:23.440 to give themselves up individually to a righteous cause?

01:17:28.440 She, and she looked at her cell window, according to her cellmate. 0.89

01:17:31.180 And she said, such a fine sunny day and I have to go now, but what does my death matter?

01:17:37.780 If through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action.

01:17:42.680 One of the things Sophie didn't do is she didn't do, she didn't blame the doers of evil.

01:17:48.000 She knew that the responsibility was on the church.

01:17:50.920 She said in her final days, she said, the real damage is caused by all of those millions out there

01:17:59.540 who just want to survive the honest men and women who just want to be left in peace.

01:18:04.620 Those who don't want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves.

01:18:09.600 Those with no sides and no causes.

01:18:11.500 Those who won't take measure of their own strength for fear of antagonizing their own weaknesses.

01:18:17.380 Those who don't like to make waves or enemies.

01:18:19.580 Those for whom freedom, honor, truth, and principle.

01:18:22.720 It's just literature.

01:18:24.260 Those who live small, die small. 1.00

01:18:27.780 It's the reductionistic approach to life.

01:18:30.380 If you keep it small, you'll keep it under control.

01:18:33.160 If you don't make any noise, the boogeyman won't find you, but it's all an illusion because

01:18:39.720 they die too.

01:18:41.860 Those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. 0.78

01:18:49.420 And Sophie said, safe from what?

01:18:52.320 Life is always on the edge of death.

01:18:55.160 She said, narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues. 0.89

01:19:01.400 And a little candle burns itself out just like the flaming torch does.

01:19:07.900 But I choose my own way to burn.

01:19:13.160 That's a 21-year-old.

01:19:14.940 Who speaks like that, Allie?

01:19:16.400 Not 21-year-olds today.

01:19:18.040 That's a young woman with the lion of the tribe of Judah roaring inside of her.

01:19:24.040 Yes.

01:19:24.620 Those prison guards were so disturbed by this brother-sister duo, Allie,

01:19:28.540 that they let them meet with their parents in a side room right before they were taken

01:19:33.580 to the guillotine.

01:19:35.120 And Sophie's mother looked her daughter in the eyes and said, remember Jesus, Sophie?

01:19:39.040 And according to the prison guards who were later interviewed, Sophie said, yeah, but

01:19:45.180 you too, mama.

01:19:46.580 You too.

01:19:48.360 Because they were murdered on February 22nd, 1943, they missed a meeting that had been

01:19:54.120 arranged four days later.

01:19:56.140 They were supposed to meet with Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the founder of the Confessing Church who had

01:20:02.240 heard about the brave courage of 20-somethings and had come to build the movement of Christian

01:20:07.820 resistance.

01:20:08.780 But they had been beheaded four days before that meeting and they did not show up.

01:20:13.500 So they're national heroes in Germany today, but most Americans don't know the story of

01:20:18.780 the White Rose Resistance.

01:20:19.740 I did not.

01:20:20.560 And so we named our ministry after the White Rose Resistance.

01:20:23.320 We named our daughter, Sophie, after her name is Sophie Sunshine, after Sophie Scholl of

01:20:28.180 the White Rose Resistance.

01:20:29.400 And why?

01:20:31.220 Because if you've been listening the last 30-minute, believer, you see that we're facing the same

01:20:36.440 ideology today, the ideology of neo-Malthusian racism and eugenics that decides there are some

01:20:42.220 people who are fit to live and there are some people who are unfit to live.

01:20:46.360 Margaret Sanger called for the elimination of defective stalks and human weeds, which threatened

01:20:51.700 the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization, end quote, Margaret Sanger.

01:20:55.940 So we're facing the same ideology today.

01:20:57.940 Hitler might have had more of a sledgehammer approach to eugenics, while Sanger had more 0.93

01:21:02.360 of a scalpel approach to eugenics.

01:21:04.280 But it's the same ideology and movement today.

01:21:06.620 And if we can't stand up against what is fundamentally false religion and child sacrifice, who will? 1.00

01:21:12.260 And so that's the namesake behind the ministry.

01:21:14.980 And of course, the White Rose is the production of the 1916 Project. 0.74

01:21:20.020 And you also highlight this bold church in North Carolina.

01:21:24.460 Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina.

01:21:25.620 North Carolina, right.

01:21:26.700 And the part that made me cry was the pastor of the church, remind me his name.

01:21:31.240 Bishop Wooden.

01:21:32.120 Bishop Wooden, yes.

01:21:34.160 You know, they do obviously so much pro-life work and they're outside of clinics.

01:21:38.380 They're loving on these moms. 1.00

01:21:39.320 They're an all-black church.

01:21:40.560 Yes.

01:21:40.820 Which is fascinating because Sanger and the eugenicists since her have been effective at 0.99

01:21:48.080 co-opting black leaders, charismatic black social leaders and pastors to push forward

01:21:53.200 the progressive revolution.

01:21:54.640 That was the Negro Project. 0.99

01:21:56.000 With a little of Christianity, Christianese sprinkled on it. 0.96

01:21:58.660 And this church has been boldly standing against that agenda and for the family and the unborn

01:22:02.520 for decades.

01:22:02.980 So, yeah.

01:22:04.000 Yes.

01:22:04.460 And when the bishop said, and it just, every time I tell this, it makes me choke up, but

01:22:10.820 he just painted this beautiful picture of pro-life advocacy and doing everything that you're

01:22:15.800 doing and pro-lifers have been doing for so long that Christians have been doing for 2,000

01:22:19.920 years.

01:22:20.540 When we get to the other side.

01:22:22.060 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:22.540 When we get to the other side of eternity, when we get to glory and we meet someone who

01:22:26.880 comes up to us and says, you don't know me, but I survived that day because you pled with

01:22:33.260 my mom.

01:22:33.820 That's right.

01:22:34.180 Because you prayed outside the clinic, because you told the truth to the woman who ended up

01:22:38.600 being my mom.

01:22:40.120 Yeah, that's right.

01:22:41.160 How glorious.

01:22:41.640 That is worth everything.

01:22:43.300 Worth every mean message, every bit of pushback, every bit of persecution or prosecution.

01:22:49.400 That is worth it all.

01:22:50.560 Yeah, that's right.

01:22:51.200 It's been a fundamentally spiritual fight the entire time that manifests in the political

01:22:57.260 and cultural realm.

01:22:58.480 And it's so demonic and spiritual, Allie, that the left and the abortion movement can't help 0.86

01:23:05.180 but quote the scriptures to defend their own beliefs.

01:23:08.920 And what do I mean by that?

01:23:09.960 This is my body, my choice.

01:23:13.200 Right, right.

01:23:14.160 Those are the words of our savior at the last supper.

01:23:16.540 This is my body and I break it for you.

01:23:19.460 Take and eat in remembrance of me, for I will not eat of this bread or drink of this vine

01:23:23.380 until I drink it anew with you in my father's kingdom.

01:23:25.420 And so what's the central phrase in rallying cry of the entire abortion movement today?

01:23:29.420 This is my body. 0.95

01:23:31.540 So abortion says, you must die so I can live. 0.99

01:23:34.240 But Christ says, no, I must die so you can live. 0.97

01:23:37.020 Christ says, this is my body.

01:23:38.180 I break it for you for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

01:23:41.200 The left says, this is my body and I break you, baby, for me.

01:23:45.540 So abortion is the sacrament, actually, of the religion of humanism. 0.54

01:23:50.440 Peter Kreef says, abortion is the demonic parody of the Eucharist.

01:23:54.860 And that's why it uses-

01:23:55.800 Upside down.

01:23:56.180 Upside down.

01:23:57.240 And that's why it uses the same holy words.

01:23:59.720 Yes.

01:24:00.320 This is my body.

01:24:02.240 But with the opposite blasphemous meaning.

01:24:04.460 And so now we're having a conversation in this country, Allie, about consuming children.

01:24:15.060 Because what does Christ say after this is my body?

01:24:18.540 He says, take and eat.

01:24:22.700 So there are makeups today and cosmetic care that are created with aborted fetal tissues. 0.99

01:24:31.160 Um, we'll be called a conspiracy theorist for this.

01:24:35.020 And we don't have the time to get into it, but it's called adrenochrome.

01:24:38.980 Um, there are leftists, um, who joke about eating fetuses.

01:24:45.280 And I want to say for one of the first times publicly on your show right now, the joke I

01:24:50.440 get from radical abortion activists and left-wing troll accounts on my various social media

01:24:56.740 accounts, the joke I get from them the most for years, Allie, is a joke about eating fetuses.

01:25:06.900 No.

01:25:07.520 Now, is that a coincidence, Christian? 0.98

01:25:10.420 No.

01:25:11.220 Because their argument for abortion is, this is my body.

01:25:14.620 So naturally, if they're going to quote Jesus, the next thing would be to say, take and eat.

01:25:20.240 And that's how demonic all of this is.

01:25:24.520 Yep.

01:25:24.980 And we've seen child sacrifice almost as, it's almost as old as time, of course, with

01:25:31.640 Malak and Malak. 0.95

01:25:32.840 And what has the Christian response always been?

01:25:36.540 It's been to try to save those babies from going to the slaughter.

01:25:39.860 So that's what you're doing.

01:25:40.920 That's what this documentary helps people do.

01:25:42.580 That's what this conversation, I can almost guarantee this conversation is going to reach

01:25:47.340 at least one person who was wavering about this and praise God for that and how he uses

01:25:52.760 his people.

01:25:53.620 That's right.

01:25:53.940 Thank you so much.

01:25:54.900 You said it's the1916project.com.

01:25:57.600 Yeah, with the numbers.

01:25:58.680 So the 1916.

01:25:59.980 Yeah.

01:26:00.140 Yeah, the1916project.com.

01:26:02.240 Get the book and then tell them how to see it because they can't just go buy it.

01:26:08.100 Yeah, that's right.

01:26:09.040 The documentary.

01:26:09.340 So it's screening exclusively in the churches of America right now.

01:26:13.000 Why?

01:26:13.400 Because the church is a solution.

01:26:14.960 And we're using it to launch these resistance chapters all around the country.

01:26:18.720 And so the1916project.com or the1916project.com forward slash book.

01:26:25.320 Yeah.

01:26:25.620 You can pre-order the book from us.

01:26:27.040 Not baby hating, Christian hating, Amazon.

01:26:28.920 Okay.

01:26:29.700 Support the pro-life ministry.

01:26:31.400 The1916project.com forward slash book.

01:26:34.020 And you can press host a screening.

01:26:35.960 And if you're a pastor or an elder at your church, or if you're a listening pastor, you

01:26:39.800 can host a screening at your church right now.

01:26:41.380 We have hundreds of churches screening it around America right now.

01:26:43.520 Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, South America screenings happening.

01:26:47.700 So we're working on translations as well for non-speaking, English-speaking countries.

01:26:51.640 The book is called The 1916 Project, The Lying, The Witch, and The War We're In.

01:26:57.360 And it's the lies and the witch who mainstream those lies better than anyone else. 0.87

01:27:01.100 And the war that's been created.

01:27:02.880 It's 170 pages, but it's 230 citations or something like that.

01:27:07.460 Which is why you need to buy the book too.

01:27:09.060 So you can say, no, I'm not just making this up.

01:27:11.860 It's right here.

01:27:12.640 It should have been a three-hour documentary, Allie, but no one would watch that.

01:27:15.960 So everything I couldn't fit in the film.

01:27:18.040 It's a 75-minute film.

01:27:19.640 I put in the book.

01:27:20.760 So the book is not a mimic of the movie.

01:27:22.900 There's much, much, much, much more.

01:27:25.500 And so that's our pre-order right now.

01:27:26.840 It comes out September 4th.

01:27:28.060 So very soon, but you can pre-order right now.

01:27:30.140 And it will be streaming online for free in multiple streaming platforms before the end

01:27:36.320 of the year.

01:27:37.100 Awesome.

01:27:37.320 So it comes out soon.

01:27:38.480 Yeah.

01:27:38.720 Okay.

01:27:39.100 Pray for Prime that we're right now trying to work on Amazon Prime, but there's many other

01:27:42.780 streaming platforms that are easy to get it onto.

01:27:44.800 So screen this at your church.

01:27:46.260 If I can zoom in live, Pastor, I'll zoom in live and talk with your people.

01:27:50.140 And then the book, the hardcover copy has a timeline we've created that folds out for

01:27:57.560 schools and homeschool moms and that is all the dates and people.

01:28:01.960 And it folds up into a sleeve in the hardcover, only the hardcover, which you can get at the

01:28:06.000 1916project.com.

01:28:07.380 So thank you, Ellen.

01:28:08.060 Well, Seth, thank you so much.

01:28:09.040 Thanks for your boldness and God has given you such a gift and I'm very thankful for it.

01:28:12.940 So thank you so much.

01:28:13.960 Thank you so much, Jeff.

01:28:20.140 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 14, 2024

Ep 1051 ｜ The Hidden History of Margaret Sanger, the Nazis, & the White Rose Resistance ｜ Guest： Seth Gruber

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