00:00:00.000The history of the abortion movement in the United States is so complex and interwoven that it sounds like a conspiracy.
00:00:10.140You might know the name Margaret Sanger, but do you know Francis Galton? Do you know Thomas Malthus? Do you know how the Rockefellers and Warren Buffett and the Gates and so many others have played a role in the rise to prominence of Planned Parenthood and the pervasiveness of the abortion movement?
00:00:33.080Do you know the parallels between the abortion movement in the United States and the Third Reich in Germany? Do you know that this goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and the legacy lives on today through Planned Parenthood and all of the politicians and all of the activists that prop it up?
00:00:53.040Today I am talking to Seth Gruber. He is the founder of the White Rose Resistance, an incredible pro-life organization. He also wrote the book The 1916 Project. That is also the name of his new documentary.
00:01:05.640And today, after we talk about his story, we are, I think, in an incredibly fascinating way, going to listen to him map out the history of the abortion movement, its philosophical and theological roots, how it has manifested itself over the past 100 years, where the ideas have come from, where the money comes from.
00:01:27.480Guys, you have to listen to, I'm not exaggerating, every single second of this conversation until this podcast episode stops. It is chock full every minute of so much. You will be hard-pressed to find someone more articulate than Seth Gruber, with better recall than Seth Gruber when it comes to abortion and when it comes to just wrapping our minds around the evil that it is.
00:01:55.920And before we get into the conversation, I want to play you a short clip of the documentary that we'll be talking about in the last half of this interview.
00:02:06.160We're going to expose and discover who the real Margaret Sanger was and how her attack and assault against the family in America explains our current culture of death and upside-down world that we're living in today.
00:02:18.840This is where it all started. It was here that Sanger opened up her first unlicensed, illegal birth control clinic in 1916.
00:02:29.840Study the past, not just to understand what happened then, but to understand what's happening now.
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00:03:29.620And so it's good to fight together. Yeah, I was raised in the pro-life movement. My mother was actually waddling around a pregnancy center that she was the executive director for in 1991, pregnant with me, saving babies and loving on moms.
00:03:45.500In fact, she would often babysit the toddlers whose lives she helped saved as fetuses because the degenerate deadbeat boyfriend still wasn't in the picture.
00:03:54.620And so she'd give the mom some time to go shop or get her hair done.
00:03:57.220So that was part of our heritage and legacy from very early stage.
00:04:01.640We even like housed a young boy my age because the mom was having a hard time and that was another baby that my mom had helped save.
00:04:10.200And so this was part of our heritage as a family homeschooled Los Angeles County.
00:04:15.660And then in high school, I went to public high school. I saw aborted baby mutilated baby parts in the first trimester at a pro-life group that I was volunteering for.
00:04:26.720And I was a homeschool Christian kid with a mom who had led a pregnancy center and yet I had never seen the pieces of children from an abortion.
00:04:37.200And this was all first trimester. And so that that was probably one of the biggest turning points of my life, having to look at eyeballs and ears and noses of children at eight weeks, nine weeks gestation.
00:04:50.380Was your dad involved at all at the like within the pro-life movement?
00:04:55.360No, but he was just a provider and worked his butt off and help homeschool.
00:05:00.080And we would take family road trips together and do California history trip learning and all this cool stuff as a family.
00:05:06.220And then I went off to a Christian college in Santa Barbara.
00:05:08.820Well, I thought it was a good Christian college. It's called Westmont.
00:05:11.780It's a stone's throw from Oprah's house. And I held aborted baby photo signs on campus my junior year in 2012 because the university not only doesn't take a position on whether you should slaughter babies in the name of radical feminism or not, but they also have pro-abortion faculty professors on the payroll.
00:05:34.860And I started the first pro-life club there. So I had discovered the pro-abortion professors. I got in email debates with them.
00:05:39.040I'll put it in probably my next book sometime. And I was like, geez, Louise.
00:05:43.120And that's when I learned the problem is not necessarily evil men out there who do evil things.
00:05:46.880It's good people who know better and don't do anything about it or actually syncretize their faith with a little paganism.
00:05:53.120And now I have tried to speak on campus three times at my alma mater and the administration has stepped in and stopped it.
00:06:01.040Wow. At the Christian university. My goodness.
00:06:04.820Yeah. I've actually recently hosted me at the Reagan Ranch Center in downtown Santa Barbara, the very event that should have been at my alma mater.
00:06:12.960So that's sort of my background. And then we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning of Roe and God's blessed it.
00:06:21.180And we're the probably the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country now.
00:06:25.940And after college, you said that you were involved in the pro-life movement through college. What happened after college and until the White Rose Resistance?
00:06:36.440Yeah. I graduated 2014 and I had already.
00:06:40.480I had already been volunteering with pro-life groups. I had been starting to give talks in youth groups and like Protestant Catholic high schools, men's Bible studies.
00:06:50.700Like I was just, I was just itching to speak anywhere that would give me an opportunity or a platform.
00:06:56.700And when I graduated, I joined a small nonprofit pro-life group where I raised my own support and I went into faith-based high schools and I did their chapels.
00:07:04.520And I would hang out in classroom and do apologetics and answer questions and help young people defend their pro-life beliefs.
00:07:09.940So I did that until 2020. And then Pastor Jack Hibbs invited me to preach one morning, all three services while he was defying Newsom.
00:07:21.360And people were driving two, three hours to come to Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills in Southern California.
00:16:32.720And so I, you know, I have some grace for Trump because I think he's a byproduct of a 60, 70-year-long, apathetic, compromised, weak church.
00:16:45.740Who, if she, the bride of Christ, had been contending culturally and politically with as much zeal, no, no, no, half as much zeal as the radical left has done for nearly a century, we wouldn't have had an individual like Trump anyway.
00:17:02.540But, like, this capitulation on marriage and the unborn is what got us into this place in the culture in the first place.
00:17:10.560And now, through Trump's influence on the GOP, they've completely walked away from their commitment to federal protections for the unborn from the moment of conception.
00:17:18.820They've compromised on IVF and now they've compromised on kind of the historic, well, actually the only true definition of marriage.
00:17:24.440I mean, these are the issues that got us into this position.
00:17:26.340And so, yeah, I mean, the cowardice in the church is now being kind of just mirrored in the only political party that could give us a viable opportunity to protect the unborn in the first place.
00:17:34.420But I think of this line from C.S. Lewis, he said a long time ago, and I think that this is why Megan Basham's work is so important, exposing big Eva, big evangelicalism, because these are the people whose leadership, writing, preaching, and books have created such an impotent church.
00:17:52.420And C.S. Lewis once said, describing himself and his friends, it's fascinating.
00:17:57.040He said, we simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas, and we plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful.
00:18:04.900You know, we started automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kinds of things that won applause.
00:18:10.520We were afraid of a breach with the spirit of the age, afraid of ridicule, having allowed ourselves to drift, unresisting, accepting every half-conscious solicitation from our desires.
00:18:22.180We reached a point where we no longer believed the faith.
00:18:26.640He talked about, like, the desire to be in the inner circle is very good at making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things.
00:18:34.940We're going to be persecuted the next few years in the church and in the culture, getting very dark.
00:18:39.360You talk about these things more than most people, throwing pro-life sidewalk counselors in prison, California, kidnapping gender-confused minors.
00:18:47.700If a Fauci, follow the science, public health scientist, determines that the parents, through their non-gender-affirming attitudes or a mental health risk to their child, I mean, things are getting very, very, very, very, very dark.
00:18:58.020And we're going to need believers filled with the spirit who are excited for the fight ahead, who are ready to slay dragons, and who are ready to be obedient and let the chips fall where they may and leave the results to God.
00:19:13.180So, I mean, your question, we could spend the next hour trying to answer.
00:19:15.600But I think that's the beginning of an answer.
00:19:19.300And we've actually been missing out on the greatest adventure by trying to be like Lot in Genesis and get attaboys and cheers from the Sodomites so we can be invited to all the right parties.
00:19:29.380We have inevitably stepped aside and allowed the mob to have their way with the next generation.
00:19:40.100And I think the spirit of Lot in the American church is probably more responsible for bringing us to this current moment.
00:20:46.400Not really, truly pro-life when it comes to that agenda.
00:20:49.720As you said, the GOP took out strong pro-life language from their platform.
00:20:55.980So do we just keep voting for Republicans until we get to the point to where we're just saying, well, at least it's not 40 weeks that they're for.
00:21:19.680We are in this position because we've abdicated for so long.
00:21:25.080And at some point, believers and conservatives are going to have to be willing to put a line in the sand.
00:21:31.620G.K. Chesterton had this great line from 100 years ago in the Illustrated London News.
00:21:36.380He said, the business of progressives is to keep on making mistakes.
00:21:39.880The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected.
00:21:43.440And unfortunately, we kind of continue to see that today.
00:21:47.360It's almost like the conservative movement as we know it today just imbibes whatever the radical ideas were of Democrats 10 years later.
00:22:00.340And so now, you know, conservative Republicans today look like Democrats 10 years ago.
00:22:05.920At some point, we're going to have to be as unyielding in our principles as the left has always been.
00:22:13.260You and I know that a moderate pro-choice Democrat would never even get the time of day anywhere close to the White House.
00:22:21.560Even if they supported first trimester abortions, but maybe not second and third trimester, they would never – the Democrat base that they rely on to get elected would not vote for them.
00:22:34.540And so it's very frustrating because I understand the importance of Trump getting elected because I kind of don't want parents thrown into prison and sidewalk counselors.
00:22:55.480But, like, at some point, evangelicals in particular, the largest but the weakest voting block in the country, remember that, the largest voting block but the poorest to show up at the polls.
00:23:06.280The largest and weakest voting block in the country is at some point going to have to start being vocal.
00:23:10.980And Trump actually needs to fear losing the evangelical vote because of his compromise on marriage and the unborn.
00:23:18.560And if evangelicals – and this is why my ministry is so focused on the church – if evangelicals aren't willing to be that vocal and loud and create that fear that the next Trump or the next J.D. Vance or whoever it is, is actually like, I better get in line with what evangelicals want or I'm not going to get elected.
00:23:35.020It's like, oh, for Christians and conservatives who are as unyielding and unapologetic about their biblical Judeo-Christian principles as the radical left is for whatever new demonic idea they have is.
00:23:47.720And so, at one time, we kind of need an immediate win right now because of all the evil that's coming down the pike.
00:23:54.660Like, I want to create the political viability, the political viable option of being able to fight for the next four years and protect pro-lifers and the unborn and continue to have a robust pro-life movement.
00:24:07.020But we need to not be so quick to hand our vote over.
00:24:11.720I think that's a really good way to put it.
00:24:13.580You know, I was thinking about your story and just how the Holy Spirit is so interesting, how he works through the lives of believers.
00:24:20.440You were talking about, you started preaching at these big churches in 2020, and you kind of realized over the past few years how much work needs to be done within the church.
00:24:29.740And I would say it was 2020 for me that I also realized that.
00:24:33.020And it was really George Floyd and all that.
00:24:35.480And I saw Christians and professing Christians mimicking this social, racial, justice, BLM nonsense that has no founding in Scripture when it comes to the definition of biblical justice.
00:24:47.900And I really saw that it was mostly evangelical women, these, I would say, even white evangelical women who are parodying these talking points.
00:24:58.960And I've seen a lot of that group, although many of them kind of came to their senses and realized, okay, yeah, that's probably not okay.
00:25:08.380But it's a lot of those same women who will say something as nonsensical as, well, I'm politically pro-choice, I'm personally pro-life, but look, I want a woman to be able to get a DNC after a miscarriage.
00:25:21.560They've been very propagandized into believing that any restriction on abortion, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, all that stuff, they will not say that restrictions are good.
00:25:32.800They'll say, well, I'm holistically pro-life or I'm womb-to-tomb pro-life, which really just means that they're for like liberal immigration law, they're against the death penalty, but they're for abortion.
00:25:54.600And it's been progressives who call themselves Christians and act full-blown anti-God, atheist, materialist progressives who have seeked to influence people like David Platt, Matt Chandler, Russell Moore, Lecrae, Jackie Hill Perry, T.D. Jakes.
00:26:11.760Shall I continue to celebrate their cheerleading of this new definition of pro-life because it allows the progressives to sneak in their progressive priorities and masquerade it with the term that they know they can use to get Christians on board with the social justice training.
00:26:31.400What are the two ways that progressives know that they can influence believers and win the hearts and minds of Christians who are not like Chesterton, they're not like C.S. Lewis, they're not like Metaxas, they're not like you.
00:26:42.540They haven't thought deeply about these ideas.
00:26:44.220You either call it a gospel-centered issue or you call it a pro-life issue.
00:26:48.260And then you know that the Christians become very easy to maneuver and manipulate because, oh, it's about the gospel.
00:27:06.620And so they sneak in all of this crap, Allie.
00:27:08.980And so what they've done is they've redefined pro-life from the protection of life in the womb to the allegedly quality of life outside the womb.
00:27:18.440So rather than saying, let's not slaughter children in the womb, it's, well, you've got to grant mass amnesty because those are image bearers.
00:27:30.580And so they've completely redefined what pro-life means.
00:27:34.020And this has even been pushed by people like Russell Moore, who used to be at the ERLC, which is a political arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the country, the Southern Baptists.
00:27:42.200And now he's the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, for goodness sake, Billy Graham's flagship Christian publication.
00:27:47.600A lot of these people, including Lecrae and others and Phil Vischer, Mr. Bob Potato, VeggieTales creator, have done a lot to influence believers to accept this new redefinition of pro-life.
00:27:58.980And so he who fights everywhere fights nowhere.
00:28:01.300So if now to be pro-life means that I've got to do all this other stuff that allegedly improves quality of life outside the womb, then how the heck am I supposed to ever end the killing of babies in the womb and secure protection of life in the womb?
00:28:17.440So it's very important for us to be clear and push back on what pro-life actually means.
00:28:21.520And so I have lost a lot of friends, and I've watched a lot of people capitulate over the last few years because they've accepted this new redefinition.
00:28:31.460And so then you get articles in The Gospel Coalition by Thabiti Anawali, or whatever African name he changed for himself a decade ago, where he says, evangelical pastors, please tell us to vote for Hillary.
00:28:41.700That was the name of an article at The Gospel Coalition, which is Tim Keller's brainchild.
00:28:46.620And I've watched people I know or people that I used to respect from afar say, well, I've got to vote for Hillary or I've got to vote for Biden because they have a more comprehensive ethic of life, womb to tomb kind of stuff.
00:29:26.780Who's with CNN or something like that, one of the left wing.
00:29:30.020But she used to attend Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.
00:29:33.000And a couple of years ago, after she completely walked away from Christ and no longer even claims to be a Christian, she wrote this thing.
00:29:40.940I just retweeted it on my Twitter because I was like, this is crazy to read.
00:29:43.760And she said, for the years that I was there under Pastor Tim Keller's preaching, I never heard anything about what he believed or his denomination believed about male headship,
00:29:52.880about marriage, about gender and sexuality, or about abortion.
00:29:57.940I mean, she was in a Kathy Keller Bible study, I think.
00:31:43.100And but then but then someone responded to him on social media and said, no, you are OK with tokenism as long as it's narrow enough that you might escape being criticized of tokenism.
00:33:10.500Yeah, you know, this issue of pastors not willing to say the thing out loud, whether it's about abortion, whether it's about gender, whether it's about marriage, which some people think is just like a foregone battle.
00:33:26.460It's like the idea is that, well, if I just preach the Bible, which, of course, that is the primary job of a pastor, then people will piece it together on their own.
00:33:38.780People will kind of put it together and the Holy Spirit will work in their heart.
00:33:42.760But I'm like, OK, but there's a reason, pastor, why your congregants listen to me.
00:33:47.320And they want to know, OK, yeah, that's what the Bible says.
00:33:53.740And I would love to have my job be obsolete because every single person's pastor is telling them exactly what the Word of God says about these issues.
00:34:02.920Not that they have to get in the pulpit and talk about the news of the week every week.
00:34:07.280But what it seems like you're saying is that these are Genesis 1 issues.
00:34:12.340And if you're not preaching about abortion, if you're not preaching about gender and marriage, it's not that you're not wading into politics.
00:34:17.780You're actually not preaching scripture, which is your job.
00:34:21.000Yeah, oh, man, I wish we had more voices like you in the church, Ali.
00:34:25.200And I think you've created a lot of bold voices through your show.
00:34:28.400And I'm grateful that what you just said is so good.
00:34:58.120He said to his congregation after George Floyd and the shutdowns, he got up on the pulpit on a Sunday morning and he said, I need to I need to repent and apologize to you.
00:35:09.200And he wasn't woke, but he was just silent on these issues.
00:35:17.200And I didn't realize that while we were preaching the gospel, the the left, the religion of humanism has been encroaching into my territory as a pastor.
00:35:28.580He said, when you're talking about marriage, you talk about the family, you talk about parental rights, you talk about the unborn.
00:35:37.040We've allowed them to take over our territory and in tears, he repented to his entire congregation for failing them and not addressing these issues.
00:35:46.580And it was this incredibly powerful moment that I think we need more of in the church for pastors to realize.
00:35:52.740I think there needs to be some serious repentance that you thought that you were being apolitical.
00:36:03.480The third way is in which Tim Keller probably popularized and helped more than anyone else, unfortunately, that no, this was actually fundamentally biblical and spiritual issues.
00:36:12.840We're not this is not a debate over tax rates.
00:36:21.660And so we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement, actually.
00:36:27.120So they know that if they can label whatever their new kooky, humanistic, materialist, occultic, gnostic agenda is as just the politics or just the science, they can keep politically impotent pastors silent.
00:36:47.860Whether that's because they fear losing their 501c3 status or they don't want to stop being invited onto MSNBC or CNN as the Russell Moore phone a Christian representative to represent evangelicalism.
00:37:00.580Whatever the reason is, maybe they fear losing the ties of many of the people in their church who they know lean left, which is a result of your actually failure as a pastor in the first place.
00:37:09.840Whatever the reason is, we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement.
00:37:14.200And we have to actually take back territory.
00:37:16.580So that's why at the White Rose Resistance, with the film we're doing, we're actually now launching these resistance chapters all around the country.
00:37:23.600We're launching in Southern California with Pastor Jack Kibbs and a ton of Southern California churches in August, in Fort Worth in October, and in Florida, probably in September, and in Memphis.
00:37:33.880And now we have people wanting to launch in Virginia, in New York City, in Nevada, in Arizona.
00:37:42.360This is just believers of all ages, because the number one response I get at churches, Allie, is, Seth, what can I do?
00:37:48.340And I think we're finally now in this season where maybe there's enough of an awakening and there's enough of an itch to do something and to step into that adventure that believers are needing guidance and leadership on, like, how can we take back our culture beyond just voting?
00:38:09.060And good job, because 70% of the people that probably have me on the podcast, they say 1619, and they get it mixed up.
00:38:15.240No, we need to change that to when people, when they mean to say 1619, they actually say 1916, because this has taken over the culture so much.
00:38:25.160So, well, the answer to that question is to actually start with 1619.
00:38:29.620And so 1619 Project, I mean, you've talked about this.
00:38:32.520I mean, you were talking about this years ago, Allie, but Nicole Hannah-Jones, the purple-haired Marxist, and I don't say that to be demeaning or attacking.
00:38:41.860She actually has purple hair, and she's actually a Marxist.
00:39:18.660Herbert Marcuse, one of the fathers of the free love movement, oh, you know who he is, in California.
00:39:24.440He was famous for saying that the way back into the garden is to take another bite of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
00:39:33.060In other words, commit the original sin again.
00:39:35.320That's how we'll enter the perpetual state of innocence, to quote him.
00:39:41.320Isn't that what we were just talking about?
00:39:42.620Now, Herbert Marcuse and Wilhelm Reich were kind of the two fathers of the free love movement, both products and students of the Frankfurt School.
00:39:49.300Now, remember the Frankfurt School, Frankfurt, Germany?
00:39:51.320That's where we get critical theory and critical race theory.
00:39:53.560We were talking about Pete Buttigieg off air earlier because of his recent, you know, white boy, soy boy support of Kamala Harris.
00:40:10.420So the Frankfurt School was moved from Frankfurt, Germany to Columbia University.
00:40:13.980And they became the kind of the fathers of the radical hippie movement and the radical yippie movement and later became tenured professors at American universities.
00:40:41.820He even read Chesterton and all these authors.
00:40:43.800But we have his prison letters that were kind of the intellectual basis for the founding of the Frankfurt School.
00:40:51.320Well, a few years ago, a American expert in Gramsci and cultural Marxism and critical theory translated Antonio Gramsci's prison letters into English for American leftists to read and study.
00:41:07.660He was a professor by the name of Joseph Buttigieg, the father of a certain mayor, Pete Buttigieg.
00:41:17.580So all these people are Marxists is actually what I'm trying to say, Ali.
00:41:30.700And I know we're talking about your project, but because we have this clip that you kind of alluded to of Pete Buttigieg saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to abortion, let's play it.
00:42:21.300Yeah, yeah. So now we know a little bit of the heritage and ideologies that created the Buttigieg family and why he would say such an evil, evil thing.
00:42:31.620Yes, of course, every every sexually liberated degenerate man loves abortion rights, abortions rights or pro-choice men's rights, I guess.
00:42:42.040Exactly. So so this is this this literally is cultural Marxism, except except instead of being driven by economics and politics, the cultural Marxists realized a long time ago, Ali, that the riots in the street, you know, the police free zone in Seattle burning down Ferguson.
00:42:59.800This wasn't working to usher in the revolution. And so they began to change their playbook that if we're going to change the culture, we've got to approach it culturally.
00:43:08.860We have to focus on winning the robes of society. This was a line that came from Antonio Gramsci.
00:43:13.900Again, let me say this again. Pete Buttigieg's dad is the American expert on Antonio Gramsci and cultural Marxism.
00:43:19.520So that's why he's the degenerate. And that's why Pete sounds like that.
00:43:23.000OK, right. But Antonio Gramsci talked about this thing called the strategy of the robes.
00:43:28.160And he said, if we can win the robes of academia, the robes of the courts, the robes of the clergy and the robes of the scientific organizations, then the revolution will happen without guns.
00:43:36.620In fact, Max Horkheimer, one of the first members of the Frankfurt School, literally said this.
00:43:41.220Max Horkheimer said the revolution will not happen with guns. Rather, it will happen incrementally.
00:43:45.680Year by year, we will infiltrate their institutions, turning them into Marxist egalitarian institutions.
00:43:51.400So these people spoke openly about what their plan was.
00:43:56.520And we trace all this and have all the receipts for all these kind of things that we just talked about in my book, The 1916 Project.
00:44:02.760And it's also a film, of course. But so anyways, that's the background of all this stuff.
00:44:06.180So when you get the 1619 Project with Nicole Hannah-Jones, she's the product of that.
00:44:12.640It's the Great Commission flipped upside down.
00:44:14.380They've done better to disciple the next generation with paganism and humanism and to pour in and disciple young men and women into their paganism than we have done to disciple young believers in the church for the last hundred years.
00:44:27.040So she writes the 1619 Project, you remember, and she says, what's the title of the 1619 Project?
00:44:33.160And they said America's founding shouldn't even be 1776.
00:44:36.060It should be 1619 when the first black slaves come to American shores.
00:44:39.760That event of the first black slaves coming to American shores, it's so indicative and representative of who we are today because we're so racist and we're such a horrible country.
00:44:49.140And that's why we need to defund the police because the police force a long time ago was used to capture escaped slaves and return them to their plantation owners.
00:44:57.880And so because that was racist back then, there's nothing redeemable about it now.
00:45:01.100In other words, when the roots are racist and the genesis is racist, then it will continue to be racist moving forward.
00:45:08.100There's no way to, like, redeem something that was founded on racism.
00:45:12.800You've got to burn the whole thing down.
00:45:36.440So then what's the first and only word that progressives and liberals at our journalistic institutions of power are itching to scream when the George Floyd thing happened?
00:47:27.380Oh, and it was being pushed on, like, every mainstream liberal news site and organization.
00:47:31.340I mean, it really gave the progressives whose poor, miserable lives have no meaning something to talk about in Martha's Vineyard cocktail parties.
00:47:41.960A huge influence on the culture, right?
00:47:44.740And by the way, if you've read the 1619 Project and the series of essays that Nicole Hannah-Jones had her critical race theorist friends publish in this book, what they did was they sought to link those first black slaves coming to American shores in 1619 with everything racist in the country.
00:47:57.640So, like, the disparity in health between black women and white women, the disparity of maternal death from pregnancy from black women and white women, police shootings, the incarceration rate.
00:48:08.640I mean, everything is 1619, 1619, 1619.
00:50:41.400Well, that woman, Margaret Sanger, opened her first clinic in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York.
00:50:46.480That became the first Planned Parenthood, quote unquote, clinic.
00:50:50.240And with whatever time we have left, the details behind that revolution, the founding of Planned Parenthood, the religion and ideologies, individuals and revolutionaries that were wrapped up in that experiment are more shocking than most Americans are even prepared to begin hearing the answers for.
00:51:05.480But I think post-2020, Americans and believers are a little bit more ready to hear answers to questions that if I had given them in 2018, they would have called me an Alex Jones conspiracy theorist.
00:51:16.960And now I think people are going, oh, I bet I've been lied to.
00:51:20.080And I bet there's a deeper truth to this stuff.
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00:52:45.260Gosh, when I was watching the 1916 Project and y'all were piecing these things together, it was so funny because, again, this just goes back to how there is one Holy Spirit and He is so often working in a parallel way among believers at the same time.
00:53:06.660You and I coming from different places.
00:53:08.780But thankfully, I knew a lot of the things that you were talking about.
00:53:13.120Now, I had freshly learned them because I had been researching a chapter that I just wrote on abortion, and I did not know a lot of these connections.
00:53:21.260But in just doing my own research, making the connection from Margaret Sanger to Francis Galton to Charles Darwin, I had written that out recently.
00:53:31.800And then when I saw y'all map it out, y'all fleshed it out a lot more than I did, and y'all even introduced people that I had not heard of.
00:53:38.540But I'm like, okay, obviously, the Lord wants the church to know this because He is using multiple people.
00:53:44.780He is revealing this to multiple people, and the time is now.
00:53:48.400So you're the best person, though, to give us the summary.
00:53:51.840I mean, we could talk about this for three hours.
00:53:53.880Tell us a little bit about that philosophical, even theological legacy, but also the mentorship that led to Margaret Sanger.
00:54:04.540Yeah, the Great Commission flipped upside down.
00:54:06.460Yes, okay, you're making my wheels turn so much.
00:54:09.060I'm realizing, like, in Stranger Things, that, okay, this kind of goes back to Matt Chandler's thing.
00:54:14.660Yes, it's like, okay, Matt Chandler says they want the kingdom and not the king.
00:54:19.100Maybe that's true, but it's the upside down one.
00:54:21.600Like, you say, okay, the redemption part.
00:54:25.120Like, an institution like Planned Parenthood can only be redeemed, or can't be redeemed because, you know, it started by a white supremacist, but they keep it around anyway.
00:54:36.900But maybe it's actually because their definition of redemption is the exact opposite of what it is.
00:54:42.820Their definition of redemption is using something for the purpose of destruction.
00:54:46.980So that's why they keep the universities around.
00:54:50.440That's why they keep the federal government around, because their idea of redemption is actually wresting power away for their own destructive purposes.
00:54:57.640So it really is like the upside down world.
00:55:00.340I'm sorry, but you've got my wheels turning now.
00:55:27.840I don't even know what that phrase means.
00:55:28.900But yes, we need Christians exercising political power and getting elected, because we can't trust the petulant, spoiled, neo-Malthusian, Hillary Clinton, Klaus Schwab, kill the babies and destroy the family revolutionaries.
00:55:39.060To be trusted with power, to take this country in any kind of good direction whatsoever.
00:55:43.280We need Christian resistance and leadership once again.
00:55:51.260Well, in our film and book, The 1916 Project, which, by the way, go to the1916project.com to host a screening at your church or pre-order the book.
00:55:59.740But there's this thing called Godwin's Law.
00:56:03.260It's like when all you can do is relate things to Hitler.
00:56:05.560And so sometimes I get accused of that because I talk about all these links between the Third Reich and eugenics and Nazism and the American leftists.
00:56:13.340But we don't go straight back to Hitler.
00:56:15.200We go back to like 1798 when a man named Thomas Malthus, who was, by the way, a pastor.
00:56:30.200There's too many people on planet Earth.
00:56:32.620And he began to teach and write that food production can't keep up with population growth.
00:56:42.000So inevitably, we would reach a population bomb.
00:56:47.060And we'd actually have mass starvation, actually.
00:56:50.480And so he writes his book, The Essay on the Principle of Population, over many, many years.
00:56:55.680And Charles Darwin read Malthus's writing, and it influenced him probably more than any other person.
00:57:04.260I mean, Thomas Malthus in his book, Ali, called for like building our towns near marshy, unwholesome swamps to encourage the outbreak of disease to curb the population.
00:57:15.740So those poor people, you know, they won't have kids.
00:57:18.640And there was this recent clip from Bernie Sanders that proves exactly what I'm talking about.
00:57:23.940And he went on to a CNN climate catastrophe town hall.
00:57:27.420So this was about the climate, not about abortion, Ali.
00:57:29.760And he said, you got to go to the Wayback Machine to find this, by the way.
00:57:32.900He said, the way you fight the climate catastrophe, you know, the sun god, he's so pissed at us, is we have to fund abortions in poor countries.
00:57:42.060Bernie Sanders said that on national television.
00:58:14.120Sanger called some of her conferences neo-Malthusian conferences.
00:58:16.820She was part of the Malthusian League when she had to take refuge in the UK for getting arrested for publishing information on birth control.
00:59:33.780Chesterton once said, if Darwinism is the doctrine of the survival of the fittest, then eugenics was the doctrine of the survival of the nastiest.
00:59:42.160Because who's alive behind the aims of eugenics?
00:59:44.780Some of the nastiest human beings that you could possibly imagine.
00:59:47.300Well, then Galton influences and mentors this guy named Havelock Ellis.
00:59:53.580Havelock Ellis was the Kinsey equivalent in England.
01:00:01.060He wrote over a hundred books on every form of weird sexual libertinism.
01:01:11.360Sanger was so infatuated by Havelock Ellis that when she fled New York City for breaking the law for the Comstock laws,
01:01:19.660these are anti-obscenity laws, with her weird magazines on sexual license and libertinism and illegal forms of birth control methods that were not really legal.
01:01:29.840Rather than get arrested, she fleed to England for 18 months, and she sought out Havelock Ellis.
01:01:36.060Now, why does all this stuff matter, guys?
01:01:37.240Because I'm telling you the history and the seed that became the founding.
01:04:12.880And he wrote an article in Sanger's Birth Control Review.
01:04:15.740Let me tell you again, this is her magazine.
01:04:17.740It's where she platformed these ideas and invited her radical eugenicist, Neo Malthusian, one world government, too many people on planet Earth, friends from around the globe to write in.
01:04:26.040By the way, the tagline of that magazine early on said, to create a race of thoroughbreds.
01:06:59.300And so in 1921, when Planned Parenthood was established, and of course, I know we probably have to wrap up soon, but this is one of the most shocking final items of how this all happened.
01:07:09.900The founding board member of Planned Parenthood was named Lothrop Stoddard.
01:07:13.100This is so difficult to find that if you Google this name, you'll read a lot of shocking things about him on the first two pages of Google, but hardly any of them, if any of them, refer to the fact that he was a founding board member of Planned Parenthood.
01:07:26.660Lothrop Stoddard was the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK, the Ku Klux Klan.
01:07:32.520He was one of the intellectual leaders of the KKK, actually.
01:07:35.500His writings influenced the KKK heavily.
01:07:37.740So this is the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK, Lothrop Stoddard.
01:07:42.220He wrote a book called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
01:07:48.160And then he wrote another book called The Menace of the Underman.