Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 106 ｜ Call It Where You See It

00:00:00.000 Hello, Relatable listeners. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week.

00:00:05.860 Update, for those of you who follow me on Instagram, I'm really going to work hard today

00:00:09.980 on saying the word important correctly. My dad called me out after listening to Monday's podcast

00:00:16.860 and said, will you say this word? I-M-P-O-R-T-A-N-T. And I knew immediately what he was talking about 1.00

00:00:24.740 because this is the second time in my life I've been called out for this. When I was recording

00:00:28.880 the PragerU video that I did last year, they also made me keep redoing it because apparently I say

00:00:34.720 important, but I do feel a lot better that so many of you, probably 50 of you at least,

00:00:40.440 messaged me on Instagram and said that you say it the same way. I don't think it's a millennial thing.

00:00:45.300 A lot of people reached out to me and were like, oh no, I'm not a millennial. I say it too.

00:00:49.460 Boys, girls, it didn't matter. Important? I have no idea why we say it like that,

00:00:53.800 but my parents think it's weird. It's also not a Southern thing. Had a lot of Northerners and

00:00:58.180 Midwesterners say it and my parents are from Arkansas. And so I don't think it's a Southern

00:01:03.500 thing. I don't know what it is. Why do we say important? I don't know, but I'm going to work

00:01:07.860 hard to say at least important. Important is just a little too extra for me. I really don't have a ton

00:01:15.260 of like weird words. I don't think unless one of you is going to like email me and be like, here are

00:01:19.840 the words that you say incorrectly. And so maybe I'll just be humbled by that. That's not what we're

00:01:25.300 talking about today at all. Oh, another update. I am wearing a Quelo ring because I couldn't fit

00:01:30.760 my, I also told you guys on Instagram, I couldn't fit my regular wedding ring on anymore. I made it

00:01:36.360 a pretty long time, like seven and a half months, made it a long time being able to wear my wedding

00:01:40.740 ring, but my finger is now, uh, you know, seven and some odd months into the pregnancy. They are too,

00:01:47.980 they're too swollen for my wedding ring. And I was really scared that I was going to have to get my

00:01:52.780 wedding ring cut off. So I just wanted to update you guys on that. Those of you who follow me on

00:01:56.740 Instagram and follow my Instagram stories already knew that, but I just wanted to make sure that I

00:02:00.860 gave you an update. Anyway, this is going to be, I just realized a really stark transition to what

00:02:06.180 we're talking about because we're not talking about lighthearted things today. We are actually

00:02:10.080 talking about very sad things. And so let's take one second, take a deep breath and move on to a

00:02:17.060 completely different tone and a completely different subject that is very serious and nothing like what I

00:02:22.740 just talked about. So I do want to talk about the Poway synagogue shooting that happened this past

00:02:28.120 weekend to the last day of Passover. Absolutely tragic at this point. It's been a few days. And

00:02:34.040 so you probably already know the details of it. I don't want to weigh you down too much with that,

00:02:37.560 but it's kind of going to open our conversation of course, to how the media has reacted to that and

00:02:42.780 how, and what that indicates as far as where we are as a culture, where we are as a society,

00:02:46.980 where we are as far as political dialogue goes and racial dialogue goes, uh, this always antisemitism

00:02:54.340 and racism always kind of go hand in hand as far as conversations go. And so I'm going to use that

00:03:01.920 as a launching pad to talk about kind of a deeper and a broader subject and one that we have been

00:03:07.360 dealing with for especially the past few years as a country, this issue of race and whose fault,

00:03:14.480 what is, and how we are supposed to look at all of this through the lens of the Bible

00:03:18.600 and as Christian. So just to give you an update for those of you who don't know what happened in

00:03:24.660 Poway, it's a, I think that's how you pronounce it. If I didn't pronounce it correctly, please tell me

00:03:28.900 it's right outside of San Diego. According to NPR, uh, police say that a 19 year old walked into the

00:03:35.140 synagogue and started firing with an assault rifle, uh, killing one woman and injuring three others,

00:03:39.980 including rabbi, uh, yes, sorry. I don't know how to pronounce that gold scene. So rabbi goldstein,

00:03:45.780 uh, his, he had to get a finger amputated because I think he was actually shot in both hands, but

00:03:51.100 there was, um, I don't want to call it a rumor, but there was a story that the woman who died

00:03:55.760 actually put herself in front of the rabbi to protect him. We don't know that for sure.

00:03:59.640 That is a story of heroism that was going around either way. The loss of her life is absolutely

00:04:05.540 tragic. The rabbi had a lot of beautiful, wonderful things to say about this woman that she was this

00:04:11.920 kindhearted, uh, giving woman. And of course, no matter who she was, it is extremely sad. I feel

00:04:19.100 for her family and the entire, uh, community who is dealing with that loss, not to mention the very

00:04:25.260 real and constantly imminent fear that these communities have, that something like this is

00:04:31.140 going to happen. Antisemitic violence has something is something that has always been around, but there

00:04:37.000 has been an uptick in particularly religious violence, uh, not just in the United States, but

00:04:42.840 really around the world over the past few years. And unfortunately, Jews have been a very prominent

00:04:48.820 target of these kinds of attacks. And so when people are going to worship, uh, on the weekends,

00:04:54.600 when people are doing community events with their families, they are constantly thinking about their

00:05:00.460 lives being at risk. That's something that we shouldn't have to think about in the United

00:05:04.060 States of America. But unfortunately, because evil people do exist, uh, we do. And I feel for this

00:05:10.320 community and my heart really breaks for them now about this particular, uh, this particular crime

00:05:16.820 and attack that we're talking about. It's interesting that a tip was actually sent to the FBI, uh, five

00:05:22.400 minutes before the shooting happened from someone who saw the shooter's manifesto on, um, a site called

00:05:28.580 8chan. It's a message board that bills itself as quote, the darkest reaches of the internet.

00:05:33.720 It is a site basically filled with, uh, white nationalist conspiracy theories. I don't really

00:05:40.180 know what else to call it. Uh, I don't really want to quote the manifesto. Uh, I've seen a few quotes.

00:05:46.200 I don't want to give this guy or his manifesto any, any credit. Uh, he talks about having an

00:05:52.960 obligation to, uh, kill Jews in the midst to setting a mosque on fire. Uh, the bottom line is he is 0.99

00:05:59.880 lost. He is confused. He doesn't know God. Therefore he doesn't know love, uh, his capacity for hate

00:06:08.020 because of that knows no bounds. Uh, we should seriously pray for his repentance, uh, that someone

00:06:14.620 would share the gospel with him in prison and that he would come to know Jesus as his savior. Uh,

00:06:20.600 then, and probably only then is someone like this going to feel the weight of the shame that he

00:06:27.600 should feel for sin. You know, it's funny, we as a society, especially in, you know, the social media

00:06:32.980 world, we hear a lot that shame is bad, that shame and guilt are two very different things that people

00:06:38.980 shouldn't feel shame at all. Um, I don't agree with that when it comes to sin. Now I do think that

00:06:45.480 there is a difference between self-deprecating shame where you just, um, hate yourself for,

00:06:52.200 hate yourself indiscriminately. I think that's a little bit different than the shame that should

00:06:57.300 be rightfully associated with sin. I do believe that shame and godly guilt are important tools to

00:07:03.420 lead us to repentance and lead us to ask for forgiveness. And so I do pray that this person

00:07:10.320 becomes ashamed of his sin and ashamed of what he did and that he comes to know Christ.

00:07:15.200 Of course, we know if he does not repent, then he will spend eternity in torment. And there's

00:07:21.180 something that we as Christians can take comfort in, uh, that Jesus will, he promises that one day,

00:07:27.540 the Bible says that one day he will judge the living and the dead. One day he will establish his

00:07:33.700 rule and he will reign in perfect peace forever. What we can trust in and hope in is that God is a

00:07:42.120 God of justice, that he cares about evil. He cares about violence. He cares about crime. He cares about

00:07:49.240 oppression. He cares about injustice. He cares nothing, not a single thing, not a single action or thought

00:07:56.600 or word for that matter, escapes his sight. Nothing escapes his power. Um, you often hear people ask

00:08:04.620 why God, if he's really there and he's really good and he's really powerful, why doesn't he stop these

00:08:11.280 terrible things from happening? But we should not be mistaken. God is never idle. He is never idle. He is

00:08:20.140 slow to anger, but his anger is always kindling against those who stand opposed to him. We have

00:08:26.100 hope in his recompense. We have hope in his retribution. We have hope in his justice that once and for

00:08:33.420 all, he will lay down the proverbial hammer and he will rule in perfect peace. We don't need to worry

00:08:38.860 about that. Vengeance is mine, says the Lord. I will repay. In the meantime, we pray for these families

00:08:46.420 of the victims. We even pray for the shooter as crazy as that is. That was one seemingly crazy thing that

00:08:52.580 Jesus said that we should pray for our enemies. Uh, we should pray though, uh, for the families of

00:08:58.400 these victims, no matter what the faith is, whether it was, uh, the, the Christ church shooting where a

00:09:03.640 mosque was shot up or whether it is a synagogue as Christians, we should pray for them. Uh, we pray 0.96

00:09:09.280 for their safety. We pray for their comfort as Christians. We of course, pray for God to call them

00:09:14.240 to himself. Uh, that is Ephesians said the eyes of their heart would be enlightened. Uh, we befriend

00:09:19.460 them. We stand with them against violence. We love them. Uh, we serve them. Uh, a few other facts

00:09:25.580 before moving on to the next part of this, uh, according to the New York times, California has

00:09:30.440 more organized hate groups than any other state. That's really interesting. I don't have any conclusions

00:09:35.440 to draw from that. I just think that's interesting. Um, it has chapters for street fighting skinheads

00:09:40.880 and black nationalists, uh, Holocaust deniers and Muslim haters. Um, there are some persecution 0.90

00:09:47.940 facts from last week as well that Pew research put out, uh, Jews remain the third most targeted

00:09:53.160 religious group by both governments and social groups throughout the world. Number one is Christians.

00:09:57.160 Number two is Muslims. Number three is Jews. Uh, this targeting takes on a lot of different forms.

00:10:03.420 It includes, uh, physical assaults, arrests, detentions, uh, desecration of holy sites,

00:10:09.100 discrimination against religious groups in employment, education, and housing. That's 0.70

00:10:13.380 how Pew is defining, uh, this kind of persecution or this kind of targeting. Uh, the Jewish people

00:10:19.000 are affected in 87 different countries throughout the world. Uh, when we looked at the responses

00:10:23.980 to what happened in Poway, uh, Trump condemned antisemitism. He, uh, condemned it exclusively.

00:10:30.880 Uh, pretty much every elected official that I saw has condemned antisemitism specifically by

00:10:36.420 name, which is good. That's exactly what they should do. We shouldn't be shy about saying,

00:10:41.020 uh, who did this or who is charged for doing this, the ideology that that person had and the people

00:10:47.800 that were targeted and why they were targeted. Of course, as we talked about last week, um, many of

00:10:53.320 these same officials had a hard time, uh, bringing themselves to say that Christians were targeted

00:10:58.880 in Sri Lanka by radical Islamic terrorists. We of course know the reason for that. Um, it's because 0.73

00:11:06.060 it doesn't fit the narrative the way that it, the way that a white supremacist shooting up a mosque

00:11:12.200 or a synagogue does. It doesn't fit the narrative. It's unfortunate in both cases. We shouldn't be afraid

00:11:18.300 no matter who the perpetrator is, no matter who the victims are, we shouldn't be afraid of saying,

00:11:23.300 uh, who did this and why this happened, or just don't say anything at all. Don't say anything

00:11:28.000 about motives. Don't say anything about religious affiliation whatsoever. Um, but if we're going

00:11:32.900 to be specific, which I believe we should, that should be true across the board. And I'm glad,

00:11:38.020 I am glad in this instance that people were willing to call out antisemitism. Uh, the problem is though,

00:11:43.960 we immediately see the political, the political motives underneath, uh, calling out antisemitism for

00:11:52.240 some people on the left. And I'm sure this is true in other instances of tragedy, uh, for people on

00:11:57.660 the right. Uh, so I'm not saying that this, this only happens on the left after something like this

00:12:02.580 happens. Um, they are blaming Trump. They are saying this is Trump's fault. And I will give you

00:12:08.560 some examples for that. If we want to look at how the media responded. So joy Behar on the view,

00:12:14.120 she said, take responsibility for your actions, Mr. President, you are the culprit. This was after

00:12:19.340 a long, uh, monologue about how Trump really isn't handling these things very well. Joe Scarborough on

00:12:25.940 MSNBC. We are so far beyond dog whistles here, Donald. He says, we are so far beyond dog whistles.

00:12:32.000 The blood that is spilled is on your hands from white nationalists, from people that listen to 0.96

00:12:38.380 that sort of rhetoric, any violence to journalists, an enemy of the people you are unfit to be the 0.98

00:12:43.740 president of the United States. A guest on MSNBC, Mehdi Hassan says, we have a president who not only

00:12:50.140 will not acknowledge we have an epidemic of white nationalist hair. He's providing the mood

00:12:55.260 music for it. Chris Cuomo of CNN. Why is president Trump so loud in his condemnation of Islamic

00:13:01.940 terrorism and so much quieter in his concern over right wing extremism? Okay. So on that one

00:13:08.300 particular, and then we'll kind of bring it to all of the quotes that I just read. I'm not sure that's

00:13:13.240 true. What Chris Cuomo said. Uh, I I'm not sure it's true that president Trump is louder, uh, about

00:13:20.360 Islamic terrorism than he is about right wing extremism because number two, the fact of the

00:13:25.300 matter is Islamic extremism has, uh, taken the lives of literally thousands of more people than

00:13:31.620 so-called right wing terrorism has. That's just a fact. Uh, number three, you could say the same

00:13:36.700 thing about people on the left, why they refuse to call out Islamic terrorism when it clearly happens

00:13:43.360 and only the kind, only the kind of terrorism that seems to fit their agenda that they think

00:13:48.560 fits their agenda. And number four, uh, these white supremacists that are committing these horrible 0.98

00:13:54.200 acts of terror that I believe are acts of terror are not conservatives. Okay. Like let's just get that 0.91

00:13:59.940 straight. If they were conservatives, I would have no problem saying, Hey, they're conservatives.

00:14:04.540 They believe the same things I do. They just happen to be, uh, interpreting them wrongly, but that's not

00:14:09.640 even true. They're not conservatives as the left would have you believe at this shooter and Poway

00:14:14.840 called Trump a shill for the juice. So let us just to have a lesson here on this stuff really fast or

00:14:21.160 else we're going to miss it. And we're going to let ourselves be manipulated by the narrative of the

00:14:27.260 media. And I don't think that that's, I don't think that that's right. No matter what the subject is,

00:14:31.040 uh, these people on eight Chan and other white nationalist sites have much, much more in common

00:14:37.740 with people on the left who are obsessed with identity politics. I'm not saying that they're

00:14:42.540 the same. I'm not saying that they share the exact same ideology, but they have a lot more in common

00:14:47.600 with the people who are obsessed with identity politics than they do your mainstream conservative.

00:14:52.060 Uh, in fact, the wretched people in this subset, this, uh, this white nationalist subset of our 0.63

00:15:00.120 culture, which does unfortunately exist, uh, they love identity politics. They truly believe that 0.55

00:15:06.860 they are defending their white culture and defending, uh, their white identity in the same way that they 0.57

00:15:12.540 think that other racial groups are. Uh, they are not, not conservative in any sense of the word. 0.99

00:15:19.340 They do not care about the constitution. They don't care about the founding fathers.

00:15:22.840 They don't care about small government. They don't care about Liberty. Uh, there is nothing about them

00:15:28.100 that looks conservative. Uh, they are not even, they're not even right wing in the sense that

00:15:37.160 Americans have deemed right wing, except that they are fascist, which is technically on the far right

00:15:44.120 end of the spectrum in the same way that communism is on the far left end of the spectrum, but they are

00:15:50.380 both totalitarian. They have a lot in common with each other, communism and fascism, a lot more in

00:15:56.280 common with each other than they do with other people on their size of the political spectrum,

00:16:00.680 if that makes any sense. Um, and by the way, just a side note, communism is just as evil as fascism. 0.86

00:16:06.780 I just want to make sure that we point that out. Um, but you will notice, you will notice that the

00:16:11.900 media uses terms like right wing to describe white nationalists and people like me, uh, and people like

00:16:19.540 Ben Shapiro or anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi. So they call people like me right wing, and they call

00:16:25.820 this guy right wing. I mean, there's this whole, um, website called right wing watch. They've written

00:16:31.440 a few articles about me. They're actually typically a couple of them at least have been pretty factual.

00:16:36.920 All they do is quote me. And apparently they think quotes about marriage and the constitution are like

00:16:41.780 they're scandalous enough in and of themselves. They don't even have to write any commentary. Same

00:16:46.120 with Dave Rubin. That's why I say anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi, they deem our right wing 0.98

00:16:51.780 and they do this on purpose. They want you to start conflating conservative with fascist.

00:16:58.420 They want you to start lumping together everyone that they deem on the right. They want you to think

00:17:04.960 that fascism, that white nationalism is a symptom or a reason for voting for Donald Trump. They want

00:17:12.700 you to think that if you vote for Trump or if someone voted for Trump, then they are supporting

00:17:17.700 terrorism. They want to conflate someone like Ben Shapiro or someone like me, someone who is a

00:17:24.380 conservative based on their values and principles with someone who is a right wing white nationalist.

00:17:30.420 They want you to think that there's really not that much different between the two of us. So you

00:17:36.460 associate everyone on the right, everyone who is conservative, everyone who votes for Donald Trump 0.56

00:17:41.700 as a terrorist or as a soon to be terrorist. So you think that our philosophies on the right are

00:17:50.140 inherently evil, which is absolute hogwash. That's just not true. As I've already explained, we have

00:17:56.160 nothing in common with them. They have much more in common with people on the far left, as all extremists

00:18:02.640 do, than they do with anyone in the middle on the left or the right. The media has also, which we saw

00:18:10.260 a couple of weeks ago, and we're seeing again, they call President Trump's speech incitements,

00:18:14.540 which, as I have said before, is just a way to shut down speech that they don't like so that it

00:18:20.460 doesn't fall within the protection of the First Amendment so that they can say that they have grounds

00:18:26.480 on which they can censor people because it's technically incitement of violence. No, it's not.

00:18:31.740 No, it's not. Trump is the most, whether you like him or not, whether you think he's absolute

00:18:38.340 buffoon or you love him and think he's the greatest president that we've ever had. The fact is that he 0.92

00:18:44.920 is the most pro-Israel president that we have had in recent history. Israel loves Donald Trump. His

00:18:51.520 son-in-law is Jewish. His daughter converted to Judaism. You honestly think that he is the one here 1.00

00:18:57.160 stoking antisemitism? That's just not true. And what that tells me is that these people in the media,

00:19:02.500 though they say that they care so much about bigotry and intolerance, that they're really not taking

00:19:07.280 this seriously. This is really just a partisan fight for them. And like I said, people on both

00:19:11.380 sides of the aisle are guilty of this. I'm probably guilty of this at times in other instances, but

00:19:15.780 we're seeing an example of this now. So let us talk about this is also why I know they're not really

00:19:22.600 taking it seriously, because they refuse, most of them, not all, they refuse to address antisemitism

00:19:28.800 within their own ranks. The New York Times is probably the foremost liberal publication, if not

00:19:36.080 in the world, at least in the country. And they are decidedly liberal. Anyone who doesn't think that

00:19:41.460 the New York Times leans left is probably you're probably just on the left yourself. And so you

00:19:46.460 don't see that bias. They are ardently liberal. Last Thursday, the New York Times published an

00:19:52.460 antisemitic cartoon in the opinion pages of its international edition. The cartoon portrayed a

00:19:58.960 blind President Trump wearing a skull cap, what many of us would call a yarmulke, being led by Prime 0.84

00:20:06.460 Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, drawn as a dog on a leash with a star of David Collar.

00:20:12.160 OK, if you haven't seen this, I encourage you to look it up. Just look up probably New York Times

00:20:16.680 antisemitic cartoon. There's been a lot of people running with the story. This is Nazi propaganda. 0.77

00:20:21.720 OK, it just is. This is not like, oh, you're exaggerating. Oh, that's a hyperbole. No,

00:20:26.540 this is Nazi propaganda. And I'm not calling everyone who disagrees with me a Nazi. I'm not

00:20:30.660 calling people on the left a Nazi. I'm calling this specific cartoon Nazi propaganda because that

00:20:35.400 is what it was. The dehumanization of Jews as dogs and other animals was rampant in Nazi Germany. 0.76

00:20:41.280 And you know what this reminds me of? You know what this reminds me of? President Trump blindfolded

00:20:46.200 being led by Netanyahu. It reminds me of the quote by Ilhan Omar or what she said on Twitter a few years

00:20:53.880 ago that has now been circulating. She said, Israel has hypnotized the world. So that's interesting. 0.85

00:21:00.520 That's interesting. I mean, that kind of seems like the same thing here. This antisemitic cartoon

00:21:05.700 is saying that the world or at least Donald Trump is blinded by Netanyahu, who was depicted as a dog.

00:21:11.680 I mean, I cannot believe that editors actually saw that and approved it and ran with it. It's so

00:21:16.240 crazy. It's mind boggling to me. So President Trump is blind being led and Ilhan Omar saying that

00:21:23.820 that Israel has hypnotized the world. It's the same kind of thing, that they are hucksters. That's what 1.00

00:21:29.780 Karl Marx said in his words. He said that they are hucksters and that they are tricksters. They are

00:21:35.780 tricking people. They're manipulating people. These are antisemitic tropes that someone in Congress,

00:21:40.920 a freshman Congresswoman is perpetuating and the New York Times is perpetuating. And you've got 1.00

00:21:46.620 leftist media saying that it is Trump's fault that these things are happening. What? Antisemitism

00:21:52.500 is mainstream on the left. I'm not saying that it counts for everyone. I'm certainly not. But it is

00:21:58.580 mainstream on the left. It is accepted as a sophisticated part of the academic left to be

00:22:06.540 anti-Semitic. And just to say, oh, no, it's just foreign policy criticism. It's just compassion for

00:22:13.120 the Palestinians. It's just understanding Israel's American-like imperialistic place in the world. 0.86

00:22:21.580 No, it is not. No, it's not. It is Jew hatred. That's what it is. And it's mainstream on the left. 0.88

00:22:28.700 And they don't want to deal with it. They don't want to call out Ilhan Omar. They don't want to call

00:22:32.740 out the New York Times. Again, not everyone, some on the left have. But for the most part,

00:22:38.240 they instead just said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's just President Trump. He's

00:22:43.620 the only one perpetuating bigotry. Blood is on his hands, not Ilhan Omar. And in fact,

00:22:48.140 if you say that Ilhan Omar, the one who said that Israel is hypnotizing the world, the one who said that

00:22:54.040 the only reason that Republicans care about Israel is for the Benjamins, that's another antisemitic 0.96

00:22:58.640 trope. If you criticize her for possibly being antisemitic, the left says that is Islamophobia.

00:23:04.940 Can you square that for me? Can you give me that logic? I'm not totally understanding that.

00:23:11.500 The New York Times did make a statement. They made a statement. I will not say that they

00:23:18.420 apologized because it actually didn't have an apology in it. This was Sunday afternoon after,

00:23:23.260 of course, the attack in Poway that happened. They issued a statement saying that it was wrong

00:23:28.900 to run a cartoon that contained, quote, antisemitic tropes. But that statement didn't contain any

00:23:33.740 apology. Do you know why it didn't contain any apology? Because they didn't really think that it

00:23:37.700 was something to apologize for. Honestly, they probably didn't think it was that bad. I mean,

00:23:41.260 you got to think about this. Someone had to write this cartoon. They had to send it to

00:23:44.920 at least one editor to say, yeah, this is totally fine. And then the higher ups at New York

00:23:51.540 Times looked at that and said, you know what? Okay. In light of this antisemitic attack that

00:23:55.900 just happened in which a person died, we should probably say something about this. But hey,

00:23:59.820 don't apologize. Don't apologize for dehumanizing a Jewish person as a dog. Don't do that. That's 0.99

00:24:06.480 too far. But let's just say something about it. Well, that didn't go over well. As you can imagine,

00:24:12.300 there were a lot of people mad about that, that the New York Times decided to run it, obviously,

00:24:16.920 but also that they didn't apologize. Then they sent out a new statement, the gracious,

00:24:22.060 gracious New York Times. They said, we are deeply sorry. Okay. That's a better start.

00:24:27.260 We are deeply sorry for the publication of an antisemitic political cartoon last Thursday in

00:24:31.260 the print edition of the New York Times that circulates outside of the United States. Again,

00:24:35.920 this is like just, maybe I'm reading too far into it because I'm a girl and I just know

00:24:41.720 how passive aggressive we can be in our text messages. But I feel like what they are saying

00:24:48.940 is that they are emphasizing this was a print edition of the New York Times. So it's not like

00:24:54.180 it was online and it circulates outside of the United States. So they're still making an excuse for

00:24:59.900 it. They're saying, hey, like this is, we're not, we're not making light of the antisemitic problem

00:25:05.500 in the United States. This was an international print edition, guys. It still comes across to me

00:25:11.360 that I'm sorry that you feel that way. And I've heard this statement and I've listened to this or

00:25:16.860 listened and heard the same thing. I've read this statement and that still is what jumps out at me.

00:25:22.680 And I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but it just seems like they're still making excuses.

00:25:26.840 And then they said, we are committed to making sure that nothing like this happens again.

00:25:31.400 The matter remains under review and we are evaluating our internal processes and training.

00:25:38.080 We anticipate significant changes. OK, so the paper that is hypersensitive to every form of

00:25:44.760 microaggression against every supposedly marginalized group on the entire planet and maybe even in outer

00:25:50.760 space didn't pick up on the fact that this was antisemitic and they're just going to get better.

00:25:55.260 OK, sounds good. And then a few days later, they actually posted another antisemitic depiction

00:26:01.000 of Netanyahu looking nefarious, holding the Star of David. So that's great. That's great. But it's

00:26:07.780 definitely Republicans, conservatives and Donald Trump that are the antisemitic ones. The left,

00:26:12.680 they're just compassionate, guys. I don't know which I don't know why you think that they have

00:26:16.840 a problem. They don't have any problem at all. They're perfect. And in fact, if you criticize them,

00:26:21.100 it's probably because you're just xenophobic. Right. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, that's probably

00:26:25.200 why AOC compared Ilhan Omar to a Holocaust victim by posting that quote of, you know, that quote that's

00:26:33.840 like they they came for the socialists and I didn't say anything because I wasn't a socialist.

00:26:38.460 They came for the Jews and I didn't say anything because I wasn't a Jew. AOC posted that in reference

00:26:43.220 to Ilhan Omar, who is antisemitic to compare her to Holocaust victims. But no, I don't want you to even

00:26:49.920 think about that, guys, because it's conservatives and Donald Trump that are antisemitic. OK, just I

00:26:55.000 need us to all understand that. Got it. OK, now I want to talk about the response to this by

00:27:05.060 Christians as well. Some Christians. It's really a response to white supremacy in general, because

00:27:13.340 this has been a hot topic within the church, talking about white supremacy and talking about racism

00:27:17.180 and things like that, which I've never been against talking about racism. I've never been against

00:27:21.960 talking about the sin of racism and the sin of white supremacy, etc. I think that's something to

00:27:28.480 talk about where there is a problem. We should say that it's a problem where there is a sin. We should

00:27:33.060 say that there is a sin. Something I do have a problem with and have had a problem with, as you've

00:27:38.060 heard me talk about many times on this podcast, is condemning an entire group of people. So all of

00:27:44.880 white people for perpetuating or being complicit in white supremacy, etc. That I have a problem with 0.95

00:27:52.260 the social justice of white people need to take a step back or take a back seat or to be pushed down

00:27:58.900 so we can elevate black people, reparation, different things like that. I also have a problem with people

00:28:04.160 within the church offering so-called solutions for racial reconciliation that are not biblical,

00:28:09.740 that are outside of the gospel, such as reparations, and not talking about biblical forms of justice,

00:28:15.660 but talking about secular forms of justice. Those things I haven't been down with because I believe

00:28:21.080 that any sin that we have, any sin that causes division, the solution for it is found in the

00:28:26.300 gospel. The solution for it is found in the Bible, and I've talked about this multiple times already.

00:28:32.480 Um, but I do want to talk about a, a particular example of just how we have let this narrative

00:28:40.820 kind of go haywire. I've heard someone else say this and I, I can't remember who it is, but the,

00:28:46.680 the amount of times or the, the amount that we talk about racism doesn't correspond to the actual

00:28:54.900 number of racists. I can't remember where I heard that. I didn't come up with that. The number of racists,

00:28:59.600 uh, in this country, that is so true. We talk about racism way more than it actually exists.

00:29:05.320 And this is a, uh, very good example of someone doing this. So a really popular female teacher 1.00

00:29:13.280 within the Southern Baptist convention who has been around for a long time, she tweeted this,

00:29:18.260 there are simply no gospel grounds for defending white supremacy. None. This isn't theological rocket

00:29:24.240 science. The savior of the world gave himself on the cross for our sins to deliver us from the

00:29:28.780 present evil age, according to the will of our God and father wearing a brown body. 1.00

00:29:35.420 So this is what I'm talking about. I need examples. I need examples. Oh, like who is doing this? A lot

00:29:42.720 of people asked her who is doing this. Like, I agree with you that white supremacy is evil. I have no 0.98

00:29:48.420 problem calling these people terrorists. There is no gospel basis for this. There is no biblical basis for

00:29:53.460 this. There is no, you can't share a table like Christianity and white supremacy, white nationalism,

00:29:59.380 any form of racial supremacy, by the way, but I'll get into that in a second can share a table

00:30:04.140 with Christianity. There's no room for that. I completely agree with you. I completely agree 1.00

00:30:08.280 with you, but this tweet reads as if there are people who are trying to ground white supremacy in

00:30:15.980 the gospel that are justifying white supremacy in the gospel. And I, I haven't seen, I haven't seen

00:30:22.780 that happen. And this person is not giving us any examples. And so when that happens, you have to kind

00:30:28.480 of wonder if this is just a virtue signal, uh, because this person has recently in the past couple

00:30:33.960 of years become very woke. Let's just say that she has become extremely woke and she has, uh, fancied

00:30:40.180 herself a woke theologian and someone who understands all of these complex social justice issues. And so

00:30:47.040 she gets away with saying things like this, knowing that she's going to get a lot of amens and a lot

00:30:51.680 of applause. But then there are people like me who would really like to know who is perpetuating white 0.97

00:30:58.760 supremacy in the name of the gospel. I'm not saying that's never happened. It's happened throughout

00:31:03.720 history, but we can easily look at those people and say, okay, uh, they're wrong. That's not the

00:31:08.600 gospel. That's not what the Bible says. I don't know anyone that does that today. Maybe some fringe

00:31:13.760 randos out on the, do you know anyone mainstream evangelicals who are saying, you know, white

00:31:19.640 supremacy, it kind of goes along with what Jesus said. Like it kind of goes along with the, like, do

00:31:24.840 you, do you know anyone like that? I don't know anyone like that. However, I do know, I know a lot

00:31:30.860 of people that, uh, espouse this black liberation theology that is essentially black supremacy. 0.61

00:31:37.660 I know a lot of people doing that. I mean, you can go back and you can listen to my episodes,

00:31:42.900 wayward wokeness. We also talked about black liberation theology, the similarities between

00:31:47.380 that, the nation of Islam and Marxism. We did that a few weeks ago. So you can listen to my

00:31:52.920 thoughts on that. It is a heretical ideology that really has nothing to do with biblical Christianity.

00:31:58.600 That is becoming mainstream in the church that is becoming mainstream within evangelicalism. I don't

00:32:04.160 know anyone who is saying that white supremacy is rooted in the gospel, but I know plenty of people

00:32:09.180 saying that other forms of racial supremacy are rooted in the gospel and the life of Jesus Christ.

00:32:14.240 Um, let's call that out. That's a lot more mainstream nowadays, but of course that's not

00:32:20.000 woke and that's not evangelical. Now I do want to talk about the other part of this person's tweet,

00:32:25.160 the brown body part. Why, why, why is this necessary? This is not something again that I 1.00

00:32:32.360 see contested today. I just don't. Yes. European art has traditionally depicted Jesus with light skim,

00:32:39.240 which is probably most likely inaccurate. It is. I'll just say it is inaccurate, even though I've never

00:32:46.460 seen the physical body of Jesus, but I have never thought of Jesus as anything other than dark 0.99

00:32:51.680 complected. And it doesn't bother me at all. Uh, what he looked like, he doesn't, I don't think

00:32:56.560 about that. Uh, what we know is that he was a Middle Eastern Jew. And so he probably looked like

00:33:01.640 a Middle Eastern Jew. Isaiah 53 describes the coming Messiah as he had no former majesty that we should 1.00

00:33:07.220 look at him and no beauty that we should desire him. Um, this whole emphasis on the color of Jesus's

00:33:14.060 skin is right up there with what we've talked about before with leftists insisting upon calling Jesus a

00:33:19.580 Palestinian, which as we have also discussed is historically inaccurate. New York times had to

00:33:24.640 apologize for this description recently because Palestine was not dubbed a geographical region

00:33:30.460 until about a hundred years, more than a hundred years after Jesus died. And so calling him Palestinian 0.93

00:33:36.080 today is just a way to make Jesus our form of woke. Um, it's an attempt to align Jesus with today's

00:33:42.320 standards of intersectionality and oppression to make him a mascot for wokeness. I will repeat

00:33:49.080 something that I said on Twitter over the weekend. Uh, those obsessed with reminding everyone that

00:33:54.320 Jesus wasn't white also need to realize that Jesus wasn't woke. Okay. Like there's this idea that

00:34:01.980 the reason Jesus came was to be this wild progressive there. The reason why people didn't like Jesus was

00:34:08.200 because he was a liberal, because he was a radical egalitarian, because he was a feminist, because he was

00:34:14.360 a liberation theologian. That's not true guys. Read your Bibles. He was God. He was the creator, the

00:34:20.920 savior, the man of sorrows, the great. I am. He was the great high priest, the eternal intercessor. He is

00:34:26.680 all of those things. Uh, he is the great, uh, immovable one. He is not going to be constrained by our, uh,

00:34:33.360 political descriptions of him, whether we're on the right or the left, by the way, he's not a mascot.

00:34:38.560 He is not a political prop. He is God. He did not come down to show us how to be progressive.

00:34:45.480 He came down to show us how to come and die and to save us and to reconcile us to God,

00:34:52.580 no matter the melanin count in our skin, all of us. Uh, he didn't come to shake things up.

00:34:59.340 He came down to save us and to show us heaven's way of loving and living regardless of race.

00:35:05.440 Uh, she then tweeted in case anyone else, cause I asked for specifics. A lot of people ask for

00:35:12.840 specifics in case anyone else is asking who's actually defending white supremacy. There are

00:35:17.780 lots of ways to defend it. Some are just more passive. Some deny it's even an issue. What are

00:35:22.560 you smoking? She says, we can't be unclear any longer on this sickness. If you don't see it,

00:35:28.460 you're not looking again. I just want some examples. I just want to know so I can call it out too.

00:35:35.300 Uh, I want to know what this looks like. Uh, she says some are just more passive. So some are active,

00:35:41.500 some are actively grounding white supremacy in the gospel where, where I want to know. Uh,

00:35:50.740 this is very typical though of the social justice crowd. Uh, they are never asked to define their

00:35:57.200 terms among their group. They just say these pseudo academic woke words, knowing the people who

00:36:03.520 agree with them are just going to nod and say, amen. But when they're asked for specifics,

00:36:07.440 when they're asked to define their terms, uh, and when they can't do either of those things,

00:36:12.080 they blame you for not being woke enough for not really understanding for being too privileged,

00:36:17.480 for being too fragile. How dare you even ask? You just must not be looking. If you have to ask me

00:36:24.640 for instances of people grounding the white supremacy, white supremacy in the gospel,

00:36:30.120 you just must be blind. Okay. Open my eyes to see open my eyes. I just don't get it. So those of us

00:36:37.000 who don't see white supremacy as a rampant issue in the church are a problem, but you refuse to show us

00:36:42.340 where it is. Be our spiritual Sherpa show us where this exists. And I will call it out alongside with

00:36:49.120 you. I guarantee you if someone like, uh, if, if someone tried to justify white supremacy with the

00:36:56.580 Bible and I saw it, I would be so quick to call them out. I would be doing my podcast on that right

00:37:02.900 now. It might be the most passionate podcast episode I've ever done. If I saw someone who

00:37:07.920 was actually in the mainstream, justifying that I absolutely would be calling it out in the same way

00:37:13.680 that I called out the black liberation theology that was being spouted off at the Sparrow conference a

00:37:18.760 couple of weeks ago in Dallas, I would be so passionately and ardently breaking down the 1.00

00:37:25.080 stupidity of the argument that tries to justify white supremacy with the Bible. I guarantee you, 1.00

00:37:30.840 but apparently I'm just, according to this person, those of us who don't see this as a rampant problem,

00:37:36.900 we're just blind. We just don't know. Um, but like I said, this is very typical of those on the 1.00

00:37:42.420 social justice left. They don't, uh, they don't like specifics. Uh, so I actually had another story

00:37:48.500 to tell you guys that kind of ties the ties into that, but we're already kind of going long.

00:37:54.620 We're already at almost 40 minutes and I don't want to spend too much time on this. Uh, but here's

00:38:01.480 what I'll say. I'll just kind of skip forward to, I'll skip forward to my conclusion. So Christians, 0.99

00:38:07.240 like I said, we should call out hate where it exists. We should call out sin where it exists.

00:38:11.680 We should call out wrong theology where it exists. Obviously you guys know that I believe that. I don't

00:38:16.620 care what side of the aisle that you're on when it comes to Christianity, we transcend politics

00:38:21.320 because God transcends our political parties. And so we see things through the eyes of scripture,

00:38:25.960 not the eyes of Donald Trump, not the eyes of Republican or Democrat, and not the eyes of race

00:38:30.920 either. The answer for all of our strife, the answer for our discord, the answer for violence

00:38:35.920 is the gospel. Uh, the problem is sin. The solution is the cross end of story. Now that does have 0.89

00:38:41.900 implications for how we live our life. Uh, we are to preach the gospel. We are to feed the poor.

00:38:46.300 We're supposed to care for the orphan and the widow. We are to seek justice that is based on

00:38:51.460 truth, by the way, not based on skin color and not feelings and to love mercy. That is what we are

00:38:57.500 called to do. Anything outside of that, this gospel of grievance that we see so much perpetuated by the

00:39:04.500 woke Christian left, uh, is not biblical. It's not the gospel. And it is only going to cause more

00:39:10.020 division. It's not healing. It's not reconciling. It doesn't make whole. It doesn't fulfill.

00:39:15.000 Well, that's not the gospel that Jesus came to preach. The gospel that Jesus came to preach

00:39:19.700 is yes, it is divisive because it's true, because, but it is divisive because it is so

00:39:26.040 indiscriminatory that it has nothing to do with people's race has nothing to do with people's

00:39:30.300 ethnicity. It says, no matter who you are, you are the same level of depraved. You are the same level 1.00

00:39:35.540 of dead in your sin. And you need me to make you alive. That is what the gospel of Christ does. 0.99

00:39:41.340 It doesn't say that some people are less dead in sin than others because of the oppression

00:39:46.300 that they've experienced. That's not the gospel. Jesus says, you are all sick. There is none that

00:39:51.480 is righteous. No, not one. You are all dead in your sin. And all of you need me an equal

00:39:56.840 amount. By the way, there's not levels of dead. There's just dead. Does it matter your background?

00:40:01.860 Does it matter your upbringing? Does it matter your race? We are all dead in sin apart from Christ.

00:40:06.680 And we are all called to the same things. There is not a different gospel for different races. There

00:40:11.440 is one gospel and it reconciles us. There is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male nor female 0.85

00:40:17.280 when we are in Christ Jesus. So that's how I want to end it. And again, I have a lot more to say about

00:40:22.860 that, but that is true as no matter, no matter what kind of terrorist attack that we see, these people

00:40:28.980 who do these things do it because they do not know God. And our job as Christians is to share the

00:40:33.860 gospel to feed the poor care for the orphan, seek justice and love mercy. Okay. I hope that

00:40:39.620 you guys have a wonderful rest of your day and I will see you here on Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 01, 2019

Ep 106 ｜ Call It Where You See It

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