Ep 1066 ｜ Taylor Swift, Caitlin Clark, & Why the Normies Go Woke
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What does our resident Swiftie think about Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala Harris? Also, Caitlin Clark liked Taylor Swift s post about the election too. We are going to look at all of this, we are also going to continue on the story of what is happening in an immigrant community in Springfield, Ohio. We will separate fact from fiction there, give you the tools that you need to have that tough conversation with your friends, and give you a chance to make lifelong friends.
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What does our resident Swiftie think about Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala Harris?
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Patrick Mahomes had something to say about the election, too.
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We are also going to continue on the story of what is happening in an immigrant community in Springfield, Ohio.
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We will separate fact from fiction there, give you the tools that you need to have that tough conversation with your friends.
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Also, just want to remind you guys about Share the Arrows.
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If you want a debunking of Kamala Harris and ABC on immigration and abortion, you've got
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And if you want to know how my dad's and my predictions about the debate and the race came
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true, go listen to our conversation on Tuesday.
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Today, I want to get more into quite a few stories, so I'm going to try to move through
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And the first story I want to talk about is Taylor Swift and her endorsement of Kamala Harris.
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We briefly responded to her Instagram post yesterday, but of course, I've got to get
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Brie's take because, as you know, Brie has historically been a fan of Taylor Swift.
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I know that Taylor Swift is not y'all's favorite, and some of you might be thinking, why do we
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Why are you even talking about who Taylor Swift supports?
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Well, as you guys know, she is incredibly influential.
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She has the adoration, the admiration, the adulation, all of it, of a lot of young women
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and unfortunately shapes the worldviews, the perspectives, and the definitions for moral
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It might not carry enough weight to determine the fate of the election, but it carries weight
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and it tells us a lot about where we are as a country.
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And so I do want to dive a little bit more deeply into it, what some of the responses have
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And again, why I think this is significant, what we can do on the rational side of things
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to push back against something like this, and what I think is really just kind of like
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So just as a recap, she posted this as a self-proclaimed childless cat lady.
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You can see the post that she posted on Instagram if you're watching on YouTube.
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She says, like many of you, I watched the debate tonight.
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And she says, as a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can about their proposed
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She said that she's concerned about the development of AI, that there is an AI image that of her
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And so she's got to be really clear about what she believes.
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She says that she loves Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.
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She's really heartened by Tim Walls as a vice presidential pick.
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And he has a long history, she says, of standing up for LGBTQ rights, IVF, a woman's right to
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That is the euphemism that she is employing for dismembering and poisoning and starving
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She describes Kamala Harris just completely, seriously, non-ironically, as steady-handed,
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a gifted leader and someone who is going to lead our country by calm and not chaos.
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If you look at the policies that Kamala Harris has represented, her entire political legacy,
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and I would say personal legacy, when you look at the personal choices she has made,
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Her immigration policy, her health care policy, her economic policy, her policy when it comes
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to transing children, all of these policies are characterized by moral chaos, by degeneracy.
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The foreign policy that she has helped oversee as vice president has only led to more conflict,
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more war, more embarrassment for the United States, more instability.
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But Taylor Swift, this person with tens of millions of fans, says that she is supporting
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Kamala Harris because of the wisdom and the power and the strength that she represents.
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The Babylon Bee gave us a very fitting headline, I think.
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Woman who made career singing about her bad choices endorses Kamala.
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True, as we mentioned yesterday, she's got that line, which I think is very appropriate.
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I have this thing where I get older, but just never wiser.
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That does seem to be true of Taylor Swift in a variety of ways.
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She is, I think, a 34-year-old woman whose past is littered by, I think, in her own words,
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these mistakes, these very rash, emotional relationship decisions that she has made over her life.
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And now here she is saying that we, well, she doesn't explicitly say this, but it does seem
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like this is what she is at least implying, that we should all endorse and support someone like
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Kamala Harris, who is as radical on things like abortion as it comes.
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Um, this is because Taylor Swift is a highly emotional person who has not
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Okay, Brie, we mentioned yesterday that Taylor Swift has been reamed recently because of her
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friendship with Brittany Mahomes. Brittany Mahomes is the wife of Patrick Mahomes, who is a very famous
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player from the Kansas City Chiefs. And of course, Taylor Swift's boyfriend, Travis Kelsey,
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that's his name, right? He plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. And so Brittany is allegedly a Trump
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supporter. There's a couple of things that she said recently that people think mean that she supports
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Donald Trump and Taylor Swift and Brittany are friends. There have been several posts on X
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criticizing Taylor Swift for this. Like you cannot be friends with someone who believes in violating
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human rights, yada, yada, all the stuff that they say about Trump and his voters. I think that that is
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where this post is coming from. It's not because she watched the debate. It's not because she did
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her research. She's liberal and she wants everyone to know it. Yeah. Well, I think she has a unhealthy
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obsession, to be honest, with what people think about her. And I think that probably comes naturally
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with this amount of fame, to be fair. But I mean, people were trying to start a campaign to boycott her
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because she breathed the same air as Brittany Mahomes one time. Yeah. So it's, I think she saw
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that and I think she knew. I have the VMAs coming up where she, which was last night, where she won
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multiple awards. She obviously wants her next albums to continue selling out. She's at the top of her
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career, someone might argue. I think she sees people being upset at her for the first time in a while
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and she says, I got to fix this immediately. And I think that's all it was. You're right. She did
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not do her research, clearly. She has no idea what the average American has been through under Biden
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Harris. She has no clue what the price of groceries is or what the price of gas is. And if she did,
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it wouldn't matter to her. So those things aren't of concern to her. She doesn't care. This is all PR.
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It's not real. That's just what it is. Do you think it is her personally that cares so much
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what people think? Or do you think it's more her PR team? I think it's her. I do. I think she's at
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the point where she does kind of lead her whole team. I think she knows what she wants. And I think
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she is a smart businesswoman. I don't think this was the smartest time to post something like this,
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though I understand her reasoning, kind of. But I think she's smart. And I think it was her decision.
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Yeah. I don't know if she would really... Does she really think that making people mad like this,
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say she didn't endorse anyone, that she would sell fewer albums and fewer concert tickets? Does she
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really think that would make that much of a difference? Because I don't think it would.
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People forget about it. Also, she's got a ton of Republicans and conservatives that go to her
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concerts. I know people out there are upset about that. And I totally get it. But I mean,
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there are a lot of people voting for Donald Trump that go to her concerts. She doesn't seem to care
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Yeah. Yeah. And that was the whole point of her like 2020 documentary where her dad warned her
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about that and said, you will lose half your fan base. And that didn't happen when she started
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talking about it. It just didn't. But I think she thinks it will. And she said before how insecure
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she is about getting older and becoming less relevant. And she probably knows that this is kind
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of the tippy top and she's not going higher than this. Yeah, it probably is the tippy top because I
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mean, of course, you can be a Celine Dion and you could be a Cher. But at the same time, like they
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have the pipes. I think that I'm not saying that she's a bad singer, but she's not Celine Dion. She's
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just not. I mean, a lot of her, the appeal of her concerts is her ability to move and her ability to
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look cute and dress up and to talk about these immature, frivolous relationships. You can only
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do that for so long. I mean, look at Madonna. Like you can only do that for so long before people
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were like, I'm kind of sad. Like, OK, I love the Backstreet Boys, love the Backstreet Boys. And I
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finally went to one of their concerts a couple of years ago. I'm not saying they're in the same bucket
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of Taylor Swift. I don't know. They don't make political statements as far as I know. But I OK,
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their concert was great. I'm so sorry, Nick Carter, if you're watching this. But like as
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they were dancing and they were talking about these like breakup songs, I was like, this is
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kind of sad. Like there's something a little sad about it. Clearly, like they had to take
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a lot of breaks. They had to sing a lot of ballads because they're in their 40s and 50s,
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of course. And that's fine. But it gets to a point to where, OK, you can't sing the same
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kind of things. And you can't move the same way. It's just not the same. There's a point
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to where we're all kind of like backing away slowly and hoping that you just kind of like
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retire like with your families and all of that. It could get that way with Taylor Swift. She is at
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the tippy top, which is why to me, I don't even know why you would make maybe that maybe that's why
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actually maybe that's why she's making this statement. It's really not because she's afraid
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that she's going to lose fans, but because it's the acceptable it's it's the acceptable
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position to take, quote unquote. And it's really probably less about her fans and maybe more about
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her powerful friends who are all liberal and who are pressuring her and talking to her and her
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activist friends saying like, you're going to save democracy by making this post. Literally,
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I know that we laugh at that, but she might literally be thinking that because I mean,
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she sang she did not have to sing the song. You need to calm down that we've talked about before
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where she portrays everyone who is for the natural definition of marriage as hillbillies in trailer
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parks without any teeth. I mean, that's rude to hillbillies, trailer parks and people without teeth
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and Christians. Like it's so rude. Like she doesn't care about that at all. She didn't care
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about losing those fans. And honestly, she didn't. She didn't. She didn't lose conservative fans. Like
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you're one of many, many. So I'm not just saying you. So I don't know. It's got to be something that
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she really thinks that she is like righteous and salvific doing this. Yeah. I think that documentary
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in 2020 did shed a lot of light into her thinking and how I don't think she puts enough thought into
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that. It's very childish as as smart as I think she is on a business level. I yeah, I think there's a
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lot of a lot of immaturity, a lot of immaturity. Okay. And in case people don't know what we're
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talking about, this is the first time I heard her talk about politics and I was like, wow. Okay,
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here's that one. It really is a big deal. She votes against against fair pay for women. She
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votes against the reauthorization of the of the violence against women act, which is just basically
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protecting us from domestic abuse and stalking stalking. She votes. She thinks that that if
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you're a gay couple, or even if you look like a gay couple, you should be allowed to be kicked out of
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a restaurant. It's really basic human rights. And it's right and wrong at this point. And I can't
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see another commercial and see her disguising these policies behind the words Tennessee Christian
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values. Those aren't Tennessee Christian values. I live in Tennessee. I am Christian. That's not
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what we stand for. Okay, so Marsha Blackburn did become senator. She is still a senator from Tennessee.
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Have a bunch of terrible things happened because of Marsha Blackburn? And of course, there's more to
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the story on every single piece of legislation there. That's something that Democrats do very
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well. They will name a piece of legislation. And what the bill actually does is the opposite of what
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they say, or they sneak things in there that of course, no Republican would support so that they can
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say, see, Marsha Blackburn is against protecting women from stalking and violence. When of course,
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that's not true. She's very, very emotional, very immature, just a very superficial understanding of
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politics there, you can tell. And we played a clip from her concert a few months ago, where
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she was giving some political spiel. And I said the same thing then, like, I'm sorry, but she sounds
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sometimes when she's talking like a child. What do you think, Brie? Yeah, I agree. And I think we've
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said this before, too, but, you know, she, like, didn't get to finish high school because she started
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being super famous when she was, like, 15, I think. And I think that stunts your emotional growth a
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little bit. She didn't get to be around people who were like her when she was younger. And I really do
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think that's why she's kind of, uh, immature. Yeah. So, but I will say another aspect of this
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that I think is important is the reason, or the, one of the reasons I think she posted this is
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because of the fan backlash or fan backlash on X. Um, and a lot of the accounts that have little
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watermelons in their names and bios, which means the Palestinian flag, but they think they're not
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allowed to put that. I have always seen the watermelon next to the Palestinian flag. Why is
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it a watermelon? I think the reason is they're like, we're going to get like in trouble if they
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see that we support Palestine. So we're going to code it. I think it's like a code and, and they're
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all supposed to know. We cracked it. Um, so yeah, when you see a little watermelon, that's a, that means
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they're Palestine supporters. And usually you're about to read something really dumb when you see that.
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Um, but it's all those people and their commentary about how, yeah, like we said, you can't be friends
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with anyone who doesn't agree with you on things. Um, and I think that the fact that those people are
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like 13, 14 year olds who don't understand how the world works and Taylor Swift is 34 years old.
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She, I think was bullied by a bunch of preteens into making a post like this. And that's just really
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sad. It's like very sad. It's really sad, but there's gotta be some people in her life too,
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that are like, Hey, you really need to do this. I'm sure this is about my rights. What do you think
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about? I mean, she, she only listed like a few specific issues that she really cares about.
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One of them was IVF, which I just think is odd. Like Tim Walls hasn't fought for that. He said he
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went through IVF or his family did and they didn't, they went through IUI, which doesn't carry the same
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ethical concerns for a lot of people. So that was weird. So much research she did, but she also
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said a woman's right to her own body. Were you surprised at all that that was one of the three
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issues that she says she cares about? Um, no, uh, because I think she has done that before.
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I think when she endorsed Biden, she said something similar about that was one of the issues that she
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cared about women's women's reproductive freedom. I don't even know if she said reproductive freedom,
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but a right to someone's body. Um, so no, no, that doesn't surprise me. And that's a talking point.
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You've talked before about how Kamala hit that's where Kamala shines. And I think that's just kind
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of where like female celebrities are landing their, their talking points right now.
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Yeah. It's just so, I mean, it's really sad that that is, you're right in 2020, like she said the
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same thing about Biden, like women have a right to choose what happens to their bodies. You do have
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a right to choose what happens to your body. And if you engage in the act of sex, which is biologically
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meant to create a child, then you are taking responsibility, not only for what happens to your
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body, but then what happens in your body, you have now potentially, I mean, obviously during
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pregnancy, if that results from your act of, uh, your, your sex act, then you have a distinct human
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being inside of you with its own distinct DNA from the moment of conception. And from that point on,
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you have another human being who has rights and that child's right to life, the most fundamental right
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without which we would have no other rights. That child's right to life supersedes your right to
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comfort. It supersedes your right to convenience. It supersedes your desires and your wants. It
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supersedes any feeling or want that you may have. It supersedes your career goals because that child is a
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human being and she stands, Taylor Swift stands unapologetically for the slaughter of
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babies. Like that is one of the only topics specifically that she will bring up for why
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she votes Democrats. It's really, really disturbing. Okay. We'll talk more about this in a second. Let
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Okay. A little bit more about Brittany Mahomes. So Brittany Mahomes showed support for former
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President Trump by liking one of his recent Instagram posts. And then TMZ reported on it. And I guess
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Trump Vance talked about it and she got a lot of hate for that. And then when she posted about it in
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response on Instagram, she didn't say, Oh, sorry. No, I didn't really do that. That's not true.
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She said, I mean, honestly, to be a hater as an adult, you have to have some deep rooted issues.
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You refuse to heal from childhood. There's no reason your brain is fully developed and you hate
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to see others doing well. Trump said, I want to thank beautiful Brittany Mahomes for so strongly
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defending me. I don't know if she would necessarily like if she would agree with that language that he
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used, but she didn't back down. She didn't apologize. And then we've got this picture of
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Taylor Swift and Brittany Mahomes hugging together with their significant others. So, so sweet. And
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then an op-ed from Variety says if Taylor Swift doesn't endorse Kamala Harris, she'd be entering a
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new era. And then the watermelon freakazoids that, um, that Brie was talking about saying, Oh my
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goodness, she absolutely has to say something about this. The Swifty fandom has to unite. This is against
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human rights and all of this stuff. Brie, I don't know if you agree with this. I know that she didn't
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directly throw Brittany under the bus in her post, but I think in light of the context and the, um,
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and just the backlash that she received, that this is obviously a response. I do think it's an
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underhanded way to throw your friend under the bus. Yeah. I guess for people who know the context,
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I think you're right. Yeah. I had originally said that I, I appreciate that she didn't say anything
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explicit about it. Um, because I think they are friends, a genuine friends. Um, but I guess that
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I think that's a fair point. Yeah. Even calling it out at all, making a statement at all probably is
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because people know. Yeah. It's in reaction to this. To me, it's affirming the criticisms that,
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oh yeah, she's problematic. Your friendship is problematic and that you being friends with someone
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at least give some kind of message that you support everything that they support. I think I,
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you know, like if you really wanted to be a girl's girl, which she says that she, I think she says that
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she is, I think that she would pretend to be anyway, then it would have been awesome for her to
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actually explicitly say like, or if she responded, I think it would have been better. Like you said,
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not to respond at all, but to say, yeah, like Brittany is my friend. No, we don't agree on everything.
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We don't talk about politics, but Brittany is really kind and we share a lot of the same
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values, even if we're not voting for the same person. That would have been an implicit endorsement
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of Kamala Harris, but I would have thought, you know what? Like that is a good way to model
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how we can disagree and still love each other. But to me, this was backhanded. If I were Brittany,
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I would be like, oh really? You care a bunch about what a bunch of like 13 year olds say on X that
00:26:51.060
you had to make a whole statement about it. Yeah, no, I think that's a fair point. And also
00:26:55.780
Taylor Swift gave herself an out actually to not talk about these kinds of things because when that,
00:27:02.000
um, when the terrorist threat happened in Austria and she had to cancel her concerts, um,
00:27:07.820
she made a post after her European, the leg of her tour ended and said, essentially she was arguing,
00:27:14.000
I deliberately didn't make a statement about that because I didn't want to incite people
00:27:18.680
to do something at my further, at my shows after that. Um, so, and she, she explained that a lot
00:27:24.460
of people weren't happy with that. They thought that wasn't sufficient. She needed to speak about
00:27:27.920
everything. Um, but she gave a reasoning. What kind of statement? Cause it was Islamic terrorism,
00:27:33.220
right? Yeah. Yeah. And they wanted her to make a statement condemning that of course. Um,
00:27:38.300
and her reasoning was, well, I'm, I'm about to have shows in London. No, her reasoning was,
00:27:44.580
I don't want to make the Muslims mad. Well, yes, that's the real reasoning. But what she's
00:27:49.540
explaining in the post is I didn't want to incite anything to happen at my London concert.
00:27:54.940
Once again, she's scared of the watermelon freakazoids. Yes, totally. But she's giving
00:28:00.140
herself an out that she didn't even use this time that she could have. So I just find it also silly.
00:28:06.140
Um, you're right. Obviously that was like the, the heart behind it, but yeah, I mean, I, of course,
00:28:11.560
like, and I want her to be safe. That's a horrible, horrible thing that happened. Yeah. But I, and
00:28:17.460
maybe part of, part of it was for safety and security reasons. And I can respect that and
00:28:22.520
understand that, but yeah, she wasn't going to say anything because then you would have to talk
00:28:28.100
about the fact that it was Islamic terrorism and that that's, but that's, that's the thing. She says
00:28:33.100
that she cares about women's rights. She cares about LGBTQ rights. She cares about all of this stuff.
00:28:39.320
Well, you were literally just victimized by a global regime that oppresses women, like as a part of its
00:28:49.260
innate function. Yeah. Millions and millions of women are literally tangibly, not just like fictionally,
00:28:57.080
like in the handmaid's tale here in the United States, like actually oppressed, sold as child
00:29:04.160
brides, raped, unable to show any part of their body, can't get education in places run by the very
00:29:12.020
kinds of groups that attacked you and you champion of human rights. You can't even say a thing about
00:29:19.600
that. Yeah. Come on. But here's, here's the thing is that when it comes to celebrities on the left,
00:29:28.020
they're completely unabashed about, you know, like what they stand for and they're going to
00:29:34.220
endorse. But when it's celebrities on the right, the most we might get is like a roguelike on an
00:29:40.360
Instagram post. But when they are asked about it, they're neutral, but neutrality is conservative
00:29:46.880
coded. It just is like, there are just very few, there are very few celebrities athletes that if they are
00:29:55.900
liberal, that they are going to just be like, no, I'm neutral. Like Steph Curry, he was on, I think,
00:30:00.040
NBC the other day. Yeah. I don't think we have that clip because I didn't know I was going to talk
00:30:03.880
about it, but he was asked to like, oh, you know, who do you support? The correct answer is I don't
00:30:10.260
really know anything of what I'm talking about, so I'm not going to say that. He said that he's voting
00:30:15.520
for Kamala Harris. This is a guy who is a professing Christian, literally for abortion. What?
00:30:20.580
What? What? Like, it's so crazy how killing babies is the thing that professing Christians
00:30:29.160
like Taylor Swift and Steph Curry, that that is their justification for voting for a communist
00:30:34.760
candidate. Like the open borders, the price caps, the taxes on unrealized gains. Of course,
00:30:41.440
those things don't affect them. And the lawlessness, like all of that is worth it just if women have
00:30:48.720
more access to killing babies through nine months. Yeah. How depraved and demonic is that?
00:30:55.740
So I actually do commend it, commend athletes who are like, yeah, I'm just not going to talk about
00:31:00.360
that. And that is Patrick Mahomes, of course, the husband of Brittany Mahomes, who we've just been
00:31:06.180
talking about. He was asked, who do you support in this election? Here's thought two. I've always said,
00:31:12.920
I don't want I don't want my place and my platform to be used to endorse a candidate or do whatever
00:31:18.560
each either way. I think my place is to inform people to get registered to vote to inform people
00:31:24.500
to do their own research and then make their best decision for them and their family. And so I think
00:31:29.720
that's every time I'm on this stage and I get asked these questions, I'm going to refer back to that
00:31:34.240
because I think that's what makes America so great. Now, I do wonder if like that last line there
00:31:39.020
was a little bit of a like make America a little wink. What did you say? I doubt it. I don't think
00:31:44.300
that he meant to. But to me, when someone says that they don't want to talk politics,
00:31:48.160
that typically means they're voting for Trump. Now, maybe that's the problem is that when you're
00:31:53.900
conservative, you're neutral and when you're liberal, you're not. And so I think if more people
00:32:00.300
could be unapologetic. Now, I know there's risk to this. There's cost to this. That's the problem.
00:32:05.240
But if more people who didn't have a lot to lose would stand up and be like, yeah,
00:32:10.020
I'm voting for Trump. So what? I would never vote for Kamala Harris. And here's why. Like I'm not
00:32:14.960
I'm not saying that all athletes should do that or that they have to do that or that they're bad
00:32:18.580
people if they don't. I'm not saying that. But I do wonder if more people with power, with
00:32:23.700
prominence were just like, I don't freaking care what you call me. Yeah, this is who I'm voting for.
00:32:28.240
This is who I'm friends with. Then it would help the underlings like the rest of us be able to stand up
00:32:34.700
and say, oh, OK. Like it gives people cover like Harrison Bucker, for example.
00:32:40.740
Obviously, he got in a lot of trouble or he got a lot of heat for giving the speech at
00:32:45.940
graduation a few months ago saying, you know, it's awesome to be a stay at home mom. And people
00:32:52.180
were like, oh, my gosh, Harrison Bucker is going to come to my cubicle and drag me home
00:32:57.520
into the kitchen and make me make pies for him. Like people thought that he was like forcing
00:33:03.280
forcing them. It was so crazy. And he just signed like a twenty five million dollar contract with
00:33:10.720
Kansas City Chiefs. Like he's fine. He's fine. I know for a lot of other people like there's risk.
00:33:17.320
But that's what I'm saying is like for Patrick Mahomes, if he wanted to, he could say, yeah,
00:33:24.000
like I'm voting for Trump and I don't think he would lose anything. Yeah. And also the others
00:33:30.460
kind of in the vein of what you were saying, but someone like Taylor Swift who makes a statement like
00:33:34.180
this, I don't think this is going to affect anyone. The people who are already voting for Kamala
00:33:39.640
are already going to vote for her. She's not changing minds by endorsing someone. But on the
00:33:45.280
other side, if someone like Patrick Mahomes or some, you know, singer or something like that
00:33:50.660
endorsed Trump, I think like a mainstream celebrity, I think that would change people's
00:33:57.000
minds because that would force people to be like, oh, OK, someone I really like and respect
00:34:02.260
is and not someone I think is crazy already supports him. Maybe it would have, you know,
00:34:09.700
people would look into him more. Maybe would people would actually do their research. And
00:34:16.240
Yeah, it would at least change the conversation. I mean, I do think after the assassination attempt,
00:34:21.660
a lot of people felt like that gave them, I don't know, like almost protection or enthusiasm to be
00:34:27.760
like, yeah, you know what? Wow. If this many people are out to get him, then like maybe he's doing
00:34:34.920
something right. Unfortunately, I think a lot of that has kind of shifted a little bit and Democrats
00:34:40.560
have been very strategic and like sucking the air out of that moment. But, you know, if someone is
00:34:47.620
not going to say, hey, I'm conservative and here's why, like I understand the neutral approach. And I
00:34:54.620
wish I actually wish everyone, every athlete would do something like that when it came to specific
00:35:00.820
candidates. I don't fault someone for standing up for their values like Harrison Butker did. But when
00:35:04.680
it comes to specific candidates, like, yeah, maybe just don't say anything. And Clay Travis pointed
00:35:10.440
out, this is like in Michael Jordan, when he was asked to comment on politics, he said Republicans buy
00:35:14.720
sneakers, too. Honestly, that should be like the extent of your public commentary. Caitlin Clark did the
00:35:23.060
same thing, but there's a little bit of a there are some layers to Caitlin Clark politically that we'll get
00:35:28.480
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code Allie. Okay, so Caitlin Clark also gave a neutral response. You all know Caitlin Clark. She has been
00:36:25.940
in the center of a lot of controversy. It's really weird. She's in the WNBA, but she was a controversial
00:36:31.900
figure. It really was like this odd racial battle that was going on for no fault of hers. She's just
00:36:40.800
a really good player. And people said, oh, people are only paying attention to her because she's white.
00:36:47.060
And she seems to be like the victim of some bullying on the court because of the media attention that has
00:36:54.960
been paid to her. But of course, it's not because she's white. It's because she's a great basketball
00:36:58.920
player. And she also, I would say, is like conservative coded. Like some of the things
00:37:04.300
that she said, there was a sweet video of her interacting with a fan. And she was talking about
00:37:09.520
like a baby inside the womb. And of course, she referred to it as a baby and how much she loves
00:37:15.120
babies. So she does just seem like a sweet person. And she was asked about her endorsement or who she
00:37:24.460
would endorse in the presidential race. And here's what she says. Sock three.
00:37:28.480
I think for myself is, you know, I have this amazing platform. So I think the biggest thing
00:37:33.160
would be just encourage people to register to vote. I think for myself, it's the second time I can go to
00:37:38.000
an election. At age 22, I could vote when I was 18. So I think do that. That's the biggest thing I can
00:37:44.380
do with the platform that I have. And that's the same thing Tara did. And I think continue to educate
00:37:49.300
yourself with the candidates that we have, the policies that they're supporting. I think that's
00:37:53.980
the biggest thing you can do. And that's what I would recommend to every single person that has
00:37:57.820
that opportunity in our country. Now, Caitlin Clark liked Taylor Swift's post. And it's not like I am
00:38:05.680
the biggest Caitlin Clark stan just because I don't really follow basketball. But Bree, like,
00:38:10.240
this is actually really disappointing to me. This is really disappointing because to me,
00:38:14.620
this means that she is voting for Kamala Harris. Like you wouldn't just support you wouldn't like
00:38:19.240
a post like that if you weren't. Yeah, I. Yes, I agree. I think if she were like a Trump supporter,
00:38:27.220
she would never like that post. So probably she is voting for Kamala. Yeah. But I do know a lot of
00:38:34.660
people, even personally, who will like anything that calls people just to like register to vote for
00:38:41.260
anyone, which I think is silly personally. But that could be the case. But yeah, pretty sure she's
00:38:48.960
voting blue. Caitlin, I think that you have people around you who will tell you the truth. You're
00:38:56.440
telling me that your dad is voting for Kamala Harris. I don't believe that. And I think that she's
00:39:03.260
Catholic. You can't vote. You can't vote for a pro abortion candidate. Come on, girl. Come on. You
00:39:10.840
don't want that. So I would say take your own advice. Educate yourself on the policies that each
00:39:17.540
represent and ask yourself, is this going to create more order or less order? More peace or less peace?
00:39:26.360
Is this going to create a better, safer, more prosperous future for my kids and grandkids? Or a
00:39:34.580
less safe, more dangerous, less prosperous future? All of that really matters. All of the noise about
00:39:43.060
so-called LGBTQ rights and things like that, that's really just a euphemism for taxpayer-funded
00:39:49.680
sex change surgeries for kids. I wish I were exaggerating. Remember Kamala Harris in 2019 told the
00:39:57.220
ACLU, as reported by CNN, that she believes in taxpayer-funded, quote-unquote, gender reassignment
00:40:04.480
surgery for detained illegal immigrants. I wish I were joking about that. That is literally who is
00:40:10.540
running for president. She is a radical in every sense of the word. I understand if you consider
00:40:14.700
yourself center-left. Kamala Harris is far left. Don't do that to your kids and grandkids, your future
00:40:21.700
kids and grandkids. Don't do that to yourself. You don't want to vote for the right to slaughter an
00:40:26.620
unborn child through nine months. That's not, I don't think that's what you stand for. All right,
00:40:31.580
we're going to close out by talking about, we talked about this a little bit yesterday, but we are going
00:40:38.180
to, we're going to fact check this a little bit more. The Springfield, Ohio story that you've probably
00:40:46.100
seen circulating on social media now, maybe you hadn't heard about it because it was almost exclusively
00:40:53.720
siloed on X and it became kind of like a meme. But now it is an actual story because Donald Trump talked
00:41:03.560
about it at the debate and ABC tried to fact check him on that and said, oh no, no, none of that stuff
00:41:09.760
is true. And that's a conspiracy theory. And as I said, I don't think Trump should have brought it up
00:41:15.500
because he wasn't exact in his language and it was fantastical sounding. So it really didn't matter
00:41:22.580
if there was any truth to it. What mattered was how did it sound to the American people who don't
00:41:27.400
have the time or the energy or the desire to go fact check him and to see if it's actually true.
00:41:32.420
And most of them aren't even on X. So he should have stuck with Lincoln Riley. He should have stuck
00:41:36.860
with Kate Steinle. He should have stuck with those names that people know to show the consequences of
00:41:43.220
illegal immigration. But instead he talked about like the ducks and the cats that are apparently being
00:41:47.540
eaten by these Haitian migrants, immigrants in the small town of Springfield, Ohio. And multiple media
00:41:57.560
outlets now have said this is a white supremacist far right conspiracy theory. This absolutely isn't
00:42:04.200
happening, but it is happening. It's actually much worse than that. Like there are some memes about the
00:42:09.560
cats and the ducks and the geese that are allegedly, allegedly, according to the citizens in this town,
00:42:16.280
being taken by these Haitian immigrants, chopped up in their yards, sacrificed, eaten. It's really
00:42:25.260
bigger than that and deeper than that. So let's take a look at what is really going on here. And you
00:42:31.060
can respond with all of this to your friends who say, oh no, that's a conspiracy theory. That's not
00:42:38.580
really happening. So here's a summary. Residents of Springfield, Ohio are voicing their outrage after the
00:42:44.880
sudden influx of Haitian immigrants has sparked numerous social issues. Overwhelmed services worsened
00:42:50.860
the housing crisis has also caused a number of fatal traffic accidents and oddly enough has led to
00:43:01.040
the deaths, the death of pets and animals on public land. The media is ignoring the interviews and the
00:43:08.200
public testimonies and the concerns of Ohio citizens. Governor Mike DeWine announced he is sending
00:43:14.240
additional law enforcement and millions of dollars to the overwhelmed city as he should, but he also
00:43:19.740
supported the program that imported these Haitian immigrants. So up to 20,000 Haitian immigrants have
00:43:27.020
moved to Springfield, Ohio in the last few years. According to the city's mayor, the last available
00:43:33.160
census shows us that the population had just 58,000 people. And so the influx was about of a third of the
00:43:42.860
town's population. Like I don't care what kind of people are moving into a town. When you take a town
00:43:49.340
that small and you bring that many people into the town, that's going to change the town. Now you could
00:43:55.740
argue that a town could be changed for the better, but it's going to be changed. It's going to be changed
00:44:02.160
for better or for worse. And I simply believe in the radical democratic idea, truly democratic idea,
00:44:09.440
that the citizens of a country and the people in a community should have a say in how their
00:44:15.620
community fundamentally changes. The Biden-Harris administration this past June gave 300,000
00:44:23.720
Haitians temporary legal status. Hint, it's not going to be temporary, which lasts until at least
00:44:30.300
February, 2026, because there's turmoil in Haiti. Now, why is there turmoil in Haiti? Because of government
00:44:37.260
corruption, because of gang violence, and really it goes back to voodoo. Like 100%, even those,
00:44:48.280
even I shouldn't say 100%, but it's close. It's somewhere like 98%. We've talked about this on an
00:44:53.500
episode before of Haiti. Even those who identify as Catholic or Protestant practice some form of voodoo,
00:45:00.640
of child sacrifice. I have a lot of people in my life who have been to Haiti as missionaries. That's
00:45:06.740
really the only support that Haitians get is through Christian mission organizations, Christian
00:45:14.360
non-profits, Christian missionaries that go there and try to bring some kind of order and some kind
00:45:21.760
of help to this very lost, for the most part, people. I mean, there are fundamental things,
00:45:27.980
fundamental civilizational things that Haiti just does not have. There was a story of a doctor who went
00:45:35.140
over there to help Haitians who were suffering from blindness. And one of the things that he noted was
00:45:44.940
that when he was trying to go through the medical files of the hospitals there run by Haitians,
00:45:51.280
they didn't even know about alphabetical order. Like there was no organization system whatsoever.
00:45:58.780
And that is just one picture of how the entire country is run and who suffers from that most.
00:46:06.580
It's children. Women and children pay the price for all of that disorder and corruption and violence
00:46:12.700
and chaos, but especially children. So of course, when you import, when you bring in hundreds of thousands
00:46:21.660
of those people who have no sense of what the first world is like, who have no sense of the kind of
00:46:28.220
laws and rules and regulations and decorum and social norms and social constructs that we have
00:46:35.800
here in the United States and in the West, that's going to be really hard. Now, that's not a case against
00:46:41.760
barring all refugees and all asylum seekers. That's just a reality that we have to reckon with.
00:46:49.100
And when you bring military aged men into the United States who have only ever known violence
00:46:56.460
and a level of barbarism, that is going to endanger your own citizens. And that is exactly
00:47:02.920
what is happening. So let's listen to some of the testimonies of the people who live in
00:47:10.660
Nothing but immigrants over there. And I don't even want to like seem like I'm coming down on
00:47:15.360
immigrants because it's the people that's bringing them down here because wherever they're at,
00:47:18.580
that's what they're used to, bro. They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting
00:47:25.140
their head off and walking off with them and eating them like.
00:47:28.900
So, I mean, obviously that man, he's not being racist, is he, towards the Haitian migrants,
00:47:34.980
Haitian immigrants, I should say. I mean, that was a black man. This is just apparently a concerned
00:47:44.780
These are not civilized people. Opening containers in our grocery stores, helping themselves to what's
00:47:50.760
inside and throwing the rest onto the shelves and floors. Pulling off of the highway to publicly
00:47:55.620
clean and gut the roadkill lying there in front of anyone that passes by. Stealing animals from farmers
00:48:02.060
and leaving their severed heads at the site of an old school where children play. Relieving themselves
00:48:07.200
in public. Making some barbaric stew out of the birds that live in our park. This is insanity and
00:48:17.000
Look, I know that that might sound harsh, but look, these are, most of these are poor people
00:48:22.800
living in town just trying to get by and raise their families. And I think that we even like
00:48:28.680
bulk at this word uncivilized, but civilization is based on rules and regulations and basic
00:48:37.000
understandings. And all of this, all of these wonderful services that we have is built on trust.
00:48:45.460
It's built on a social contract. It's built on a high trust society. If you cannot live in a high
00:48:52.360
trust society, then you live in a fascist police state. And so the concerns of these people,
00:48:58.300
the safety concerns that they have, the civilizational concerns that they have,
00:49:01.460
the cultural concerns that they have are completely justified. And here is an elderly
00:49:09.000
But it is so unsafe. I have men that cannot speak English in my front yard, screaming at me,
00:49:16.540
throwing mattresses in my front yard, throwing trash in my front yard. And I can't.
00:49:21.600
I look at me. I weigh 95 pounds. I couldn't defend myself if I had to. My husband is elderly. And last
00:49:28.940
night after living in this home for 45 years, he said, Noelle, guess what? It's time to pack up and
00:49:34.980
move. Who's protecting us? If we're protecting them, who's protecting me? I want out of this town. I am
00:49:46.640
I mean, that just breaks your heart. Like, does she not matter? Do her concerns not matter? But
00:49:52.700
these people who come in, they don't even pay taxes. Like, they're not even citizens of this
00:49:57.020
country. They have no stake in this country. I mean, this is what Kamala Harris has done.
00:50:02.320
I mean, this is her policy. This is what she stands for. This is what she's fought for her entire
00:50:06.080
political career. Selling out the safety and the well-being of Americans for the sake of strangers
00:50:13.680
who many of them care nothing about our country. And that's okay to say. I'm tired of believing that
00:50:20.820
loving the foreigner and loving your neighbor means that we have to sell out our fellow citizens
00:50:27.520
on behalf of people who do not care if we live or die. Like, I just don't believe that. In fact,
00:50:35.120
I'll go so far as to say you can either love your neighbor or support the unmitigated importation
00:50:43.620
of unvetted immigrants, but you cannot do both. We have been purposely placed where we are on this
00:50:51.160
speck of eternity, on this piece of land, purposely and providentially by God who does nothing by accident.
00:50:56.980
And we are exiles in this world as Christians. And God told his exiles, his Israelite exiles in
00:51:05.000
Babylon in Jeremiah 29, to seek the welfare of the city that they are exiled in. For in its welfare,
00:51:10.620
you will find your welfare. I want to seek the welfare of the city that I have been placed in.
00:51:16.160
I cannot seek the welfare of my neighbors, of my community, of the children who live around me and
00:51:23.960
also support the unmitigated importation of unvetted immigrants. I just can't. I can do one
00:51:33.080
or the other. And I choose to love and care for the people around me. Countries are good. Borders are
00:51:38.420
good. Languages are good. Cultures are good. These are earthly mechanisms that God has given us for our
00:51:45.260
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So a couple more examples of what's happening before we close out for the week. I want to play at
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least part of this testimony from this woman who talks about what happened with her mother-in-law
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who was killed by one of these immigrants who, like many of these immigrants in this area, just
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have no regard for the traffic laws. Everyone is talking about the death of ducks and cats in this
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town, but I'd like to talk about the death of one very special person, my mother-in-law, Kathy Heaton.
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On December 1st, I received a phone call that changed my life forever. She was collecting her
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trash can from her driveway when a car struck and killed her instantly, a task she had done over
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2,000 times spanning four decades in Springfield. That morning, though, a Haitian immigrant was
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allegedly driving recklessly when he struck and killed her. I say allegedly because to this day,
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there's been no punishment, not even for the expired tags on the vehicle he was driving.
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And she is not the only one that has lost her life because of this. You might remember that a few
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months ago, I think it was last year, there was an 11-year-old boy, Aiden Clark. He was killed
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and more than 20 children were taken to the hospital. They were riding in a school bus that day
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and a Haitian immigrant, as he was driving, crossed over the center dividing line, crashed into the school bus.
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This 11-year-old lost his life because of open border policies, because of a policy that Kamala
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Harris implemented. I mean, how many people have to die because of the policies that Kamala Harris
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has championed while she has been in charge? Kate Steinle in California, that was under Kamala
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Harris's watch. Laken Riley under Kamala Harris's watch as borders are. Aiden Clark under Kamala Harris's
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watch, not just as borders are, but signing off on the policy that imported 300
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unvetted Haitian migrants into the United States, into Springfield, Ohio.
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On September 10th, Springfield City Commission met. The father of Aiden Clark said this, and I'll tell
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you exactly what is going on here. It's really sad. Sot 9.
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I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60-year-old white man. I bet you never thought
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anyone would ever say something so blunt. But if that guy killed my 11-year-old son,
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the incessant group of hate-spewing people would leave us alone. The last thing that we
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need is to have the worst day of our lives violently and constantly shoved in our faces.
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Look, I understand that he just doesn't want his son's death to be politicized. And I feel for him.
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And of course, I feel for this entire situation and what they have to go through. But the fact of
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the matter is, is that his son's death was a result of a deliberate policy decision by people in charge.
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And if we want fewer people to die, like if we want that to not happen again, if we want to protect
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our citizens, then we have to care not just about the fact that he died, but how he died and who is
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actually responsible for his death. Yes, citizens commit crimes too. But every crime that is committed
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by an illegal alien is preventable. That is the difference. We don't need to add to the crimes
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already being committed by our citizens. Loving your country is good. Every country has the right
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and the responsibility to do that, to put the well-being of its people first. And you know what
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it is, and I've got to close out here soon, but all of this from Taylor Swift to people's just denial
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of the immorality of the immorality of this kind of importation of people and illegal immigration.
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It's toxic empathy. Toxic empathy has so deluded us into believing that the loving and righteous
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position is the progressive one. That in order to be loving and righteous and compassionate,
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we have to affirm a woman's so-called right to murder her child, that we have to call a man she,
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that we have to sign off on the redefinition of marriage, and that we have to open our borders
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to quote-unquote love the foreigner, and that we have to promote lawlessness in the name of equity,
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social justice, and racial justice. It's toxic empathy that has lied to us and has told us
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that feeling someone's pain and affirming what they want is love, but it's not love.
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Because love, as 1 Corinthians 13 6 tells us, rejoices with the truth. It never rejoices in
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wrongdoing. That is the distinction for the Christian, and that is why I wrote the book Toxic Empathy.
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We have a whole chapter dedicated to immigration, then abortion, then gender, then sexuality,
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then social justice, and I just desperately wanted to give you all of the tools, all the information,
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all of the arguments, biblical, logical, historical, scientific, for you to make the case for what I
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believe to be the Christian perspective on all of these without the delusion and the deception and
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the distortions of the media's emotional manipulation getting in the way. You can get that book,
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toxicempathy.com. You can pre-order it. It's out on October 15th. This is one that you want to buy
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for yourself. It's short. You'll be able to read it really quickly, but you also want to give it to
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your friends, and you'll want to use it in your conversations with your friends, especially leading
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up to the election. Politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects
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policy. Policy affects people. People matter. The people in your neighborhood, the citizens in this
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country that God has placed you in, their rights, their protection, their safety matter. Yes, everyone
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is made in the image of God. Everyone needs the gospel, absolutely, but we have these boundaries,
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these parameters, these borders, these citizenships here on earth for a reason. They help promote order.
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Order is good, especially for the most vulnerable. Love your neighbor. Support God's order. All right,
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that's all we've got time for today. We'll be back here on Monday.