Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 107 ｜ Charlie Kirk

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, what is up? Happy Friday. Today I am talking to my good friend Charlie Kirk of

00:00:06.420 Turning Point USA. He just got a new podcast that you guys should go subscribe to. He of course

00:00:11.720 travels the country all the time talking about conservative values and we are going to talk

00:00:17.940 about conservatism and what it looks like for us to be kind of on the front lines of that,

00:00:25.180 especially him and how we relate to these younger generations that seem to not really know what

00:00:30.260 conservatism is or why they should buy into it and why that work is really important. So we're

00:00:36.220 going to get into all of that. Before we do, I do want to just give you guys an update for those of

00:00:42.040 you who follow me on Instagram. I feel like I always have to like follow up on these Instagram stories

00:00:47.060 because a lot of you who listen to my podcast also follow me on Instagram. I feel like there's like

00:00:53.620 the biggest crossover there probably. Um, so I did this long story about mean trolls. You guys know,

00:01:01.680 for those of you who didn't see, I had a bunch of mean trolls on Facebook saying really rude stuff to

00:01:06.580 me about being pregnant, my parents and things like that. They were all men probably over the age of

00:01:13.540 40. I'm not going to speculate about how purposeful their lives are. I'm guessing that if you're taking

00:01:18.480 the time in the middle of the day to comment on a Facebook video of a pregnant woman to tell her

00:01:23.140 that she's gained weight, that you probably like don't have a ton, a ton of purpose in life. And

00:01:29.260 I, you know, I hope that changes for them. I hope that they have a heart change and I hope that they

00:01:32.620 become better, more productive, uh, citizens of this country. I truly do. I hope that they come to

00:01:37.400 know Jesus Christ. We're supposed to pray for our enemies and that is my hope for them. However,

00:01:42.080 of course, all of this really hurt my feelings. There were really cruel things that people, uh,

00:01:46.460 were saying for some, I've never understood trolls. I've never understood. Even if you have a mean

00:01:52.780 thought coming across your mind about someone that you see on the internet, why, what would

00:01:57.340 possibly possess you to take the time to comment on that or to tweet something about that? Like, I

00:02:04.860 understand if you disagree, that's totally fine. I have commenters disagree with me all the time,

00:02:09.720 or I have commenters criticize something petty about me. Uh, you know, my voice girls are always

00:02:16.880 going to be scrutinized for their appearance, but if you're pregnant in the public eye and you have

00:02:20.980 gained weight, which every pregnant woman does, some people gain a little weight. Some people gain 0.51

00:02:25.040 a lot of weight. Um, it's odd to me that someone would go so far as to comment on that and not just

00:02:31.320 comment on it, but be really, really rude about it, be really mean about it. So it just,

00:02:36.560 it just really amazed me the depths of people's meanness and what they're willing to say to

00:02:41.460 someone. Anyway, this kind of stuff really doesn't usually bother me. It really, really doesn't. I

00:02:46.580 block people who are just, you know, needless trolls and I move on and it's no big deal because I know

00:02:53.360 who I am. I know who I am in Christ. I know who made me. Um, I've always been a fairly self-assured

00:02:58.500 person, at least on the things that I should be self-assured about. And I have a husband who loves me.

00:03:03.680 I have a supportive family. I am healthy in my pregnancy. My baby girl is healthy. I have so

00:03:08.760 much to be thankful for. And these people are really just petty, but for whatever reason,

00:03:12.660 maybe it was stress. I was trying to finish the first draft of my book. Uh, maybe it's pregnancy

00:03:17.980 hormones. Maybe it's all of the above, but it really did bother me. I really got me down. I even cried

00:03:23.580 about it, which never happens for Facebook comments. But, um, I just posted on Instagram

00:03:29.860 about how these were, this was one of the situations for me in which I had to test what

00:03:35.900 I talk about a lot that, okay, in those moments, in those moments of kind of like self-loathing

00:03:40.940 of insecurity, where do you turn? Is it inside yourself? Do you tell yourself, no, you're perfect

00:03:46.640 and beautiful and awesome. Do you tell yourself, no, you're enough. Do you tell yourself to love

00:03:51.700 yourself more? Do you tell yourself to just be more confident in not every single one of the

00:03:56.140 things that I listed as bad, but the fact of the matter is they're insufficient. They're just

00:04:00.660 insufficient. And so what I had to do through the power of the Holy spirit, this is not a pat on the

00:04:05.700 back at all. What I had to do is just remind myself of who God is, who he says he is, how faithful he

00:04:12.100 is and the grand scheme and the big picture of things in light of eternity. And what he did for me

00:04:16.980 on the cross that I don't have to be defined by people's criticism or by their praise, even as

00:04:21.740 something as silly as this, I'm not trying to equate this to some like big season of suffering

00:04:26.180 or something. The fact that I got a few mean Facebook comments, but, um, it, it does take 0.82

00:04:31.280 sometimes when your insecurities are called out and your feelings are really hurt for you to step back

00:04:35.900 and to think about the gospel, um, as crazy, maybe as that sounds, or maybe it sounds like I'm being

00:04:41.040 dramatic, but really that's the reminder of the love that we have of the purpose that we have of the

00:04:46.120 bigger picture that we as Christians have to remember what Jesus did for us on the cross and

00:04:50.860 who God is. It's not really about who I am, although it's awesome. I think it's awesome that

00:04:57.060 I'm growing a child. I think it's awesome that I've written a book during my pregnancy. I think

00:05:00.460 it's awesome that I've kept working. Like, I do think that those things are great. I'm okay with

00:05:04.160 saying that, but that's not where my comfort and identity comes from. It comes from who God is,

00:05:08.960 his faithfulness, the fact that he made me, um, the fact that he, uh, sent his son to die for me.

00:05:16.680 All of those give me the perspective that I need in the face of criticism, even in the face of pain

00:05:23.340 in the face of much bigger struggle than what I'm talking about now. And so I just want that to be a

00:05:28.600 reminder for you guys. I never talk about that. I really don't talk about insecurities that much.

00:05:33.300 Like I, I don't talk about mean people on the internet. I don't want it to seem like I feel bad for

00:05:37.820 myself because I don't, I don't feel bad for me. I really don't. People go through a lot harder than

00:05:42.660 I do, but, but, um, I did just want to let you guys know that, yeah, I do struggle with that just

00:05:51.060 like everyone else does. And I don't have it all together and I'm not always just able to brush off

00:05:56.780 the criticism and move on. Sometimes it really weighs me down. Sometimes I lay in bed at night and

00:06:02.580 think about something mean someone said. And sometimes I cry like I did the other day.

00:06:07.820 Uh, but thank you for all of your kind messages. I got hundreds probably of kind messages from you

00:06:14.180 guys on Instagram, sharing me your stories, sharing with me, uh, your insecurities and also just giving

00:06:19.940 me encouragement. Thank you so much. I, I didn't have a chance to respond to probably even a third

00:06:25.380 of them, but I tried to read all of them and just know that that means a lot to me. I love you guys.

00:06:30.800 And I love the community that we've built that we can share, share with each other and be vulnerable

00:06:35.280 with one another and really help each other in those times by pointing each other to who we are

00:06:41.380 in Christ and who God is and building one another up in that way. Um, so anyway, I just wanted to share

00:06:48.960 that with you guys. Now I am going to bring in my friend, Charlie Kirk, Charlie. Thank you so much

00:06:55.200 for joining me. Yeah, of course. Thank you. Big fan of the, your podcast. So thanks for having me.

00:07:00.080 Yeah. Uh, okay. Tell everyone, well, I'm sure most people listening right now know exactly who you are

00:07:06.640 and what you do, but tell everyone a little bit about your background turning point, how you started

00:07:11.860 this whole thing that is now a massive movement. Well, thank you. I mean, I, um, I started turning

00:07:17.320 point USA when I was 18 years old. Um, I had no connections, no money and no idea what I was doing,

00:07:23.860 but I had this kind of crazy idea that, uh, young people could be, uh, conservative and that we needed

00:07:29.960 to do more, um, that our generation didn't have to kind of fall in this radical leftist direction.

00:07:36.600 Um, the great irony is I never went to college and, um, to start a college movement, which is kind

00:07:42.520 of in the fun kind of twisted. And, um, yeah, it's just grown now to 1400 high school and college

00:07:48.680 campuses. Yeah. We have amazing team, tons of spirit, lots of energy. And, um, just like really

00:07:55.380 on it, honestly, just really blessed and super thankful and lucky to have been able to have the

00:08:00.320 success we've been able to have. So you were 18 when you started it, how old are you now?

00:08:04.980 I'm 25 now. 25. So it's been about seven years. Could you have imagined that it would grow this much

00:08:12.400 and really this quickly relative to how long it typically takes these kinds of organizations to grow?

00:08:18.680 No, I didn't even know things could grow to be this big, meaning I was just so, um, naive. I didn't

00:08:25.720 not naive is not the wrong word. I was just, I didn't, yeah, I wasn't worldly. I didn't know how

00:08:31.020 organizations worked or budgets or staff or employees, but what's so beautiful about our

00:08:36.040 country and what I'm fighting for is a kid with a dream can still succeed. And that's, that's a uniquely

00:08:43.100 American concept. It really is that you have a vision and you're going to make mistakes.

00:08:48.680 mistakes. You're going to have to take a risk, but large in part, if you, if you have this good

00:08:54.600 idea and you work really, really hard, you can show progress over a couple of years. And that's

00:08:59.920 a beautiful thing about our country that, you know, you and I are both working to preserve and protect

00:09:04.740 because not every country has that kind of guarantee where a young person can take a risk

00:09:10.000 and then succeed. Yeah. Were you raised conservative?

00:09:14.320 Mostly. Yeah. I mean, I was raised center, right? I was raised with really conservative values,

00:09:18.740 but they never use the word conservative. And that's like a real, I think a lot of people have

00:09:22.820 this kind of upbringing where my dad would always just talk about how great of a country America is.

00:09:29.300 My mom raised me as a Christian, but they'd vote Republican. Don't get me wrong, but it was,

00:09:33.960 it wasn't, it wasn't part of their, our conversation. It wasn't like now here's why you have to be a

00:09:39.180 conservative. It was just Charlie, you need to realize how great of a country we live in.

00:09:42.760 Yeah. And those are all naturally conservative things now. Now, of course, my parents, like many

00:09:48.580 other people, I think have become more involved in politics as our country has become more in

00:09:53.700 jeopardy, honestly. Yeah. And they're much more likely to say that they're conservatives today than

00:09:58.900 they were 10 years ago. Um, but I think, I think if even for any parents listening to this or, you

00:10:04.980 know, new parents, like, you know, to soon be parents like yourself, just teach the values,

00:10:09.500 just teach the ideas, forget about the political labels, talk about American exceptionalism and faith

00:10:14.540 and reverence and all these things. Yeah. And that will make such a bigger difference in someone's

00:10:20.740 upbringing than just like, Oh, this side is good. And this side is bad. Yeah. Because the fact of the

00:10:25.140 matter is these are conservative, almost partisan values nowadays. It used to be that patriotism and

00:10:32.280 thinking of these things like America first, and America is the greatest country in the world.

00:10:37.060 A lot of people thought that on both sides of the aisle, but now it seems like that's almost

00:10:41.120 strictly a conservative idea. And I really have, yeah, I really have the same story. My parents never

00:10:48.240 really talked about being a Republican. I knew that they were, I knew that we liked George W. Bush. I knew

00:10:53.280 after 9-11, we really revered him and, and all of this stuff, but they were entrepreneurs. They came

00:10:59.260 from nothing. They always told me you can do anything that you want to do. Kind of like what

00:11:03.160 your parents told you, it sounds like. And that just always appealed to me. It never made sense that

00:11:08.380 you would want bureaucrats controlling your life or that you would want a limit or a cap on your success.

00:11:14.880 And I think that's what I want to communicate to young people is that is a huge part of what

00:11:20.420 conservatism is. And young people do like freedom and flexibility and independence. So why do you

00:11:26.980 think there has been among so many people around our age? I'm a little older than you. Why do you

00:11:32.100 think that they can't connect the values of freedom and independence and flexibility, the things that

00:11:37.340 they really like with conservatism? Well, I think, first of all, there's a massive misinformation

00:11:44.440 campaign against conservatives starting for, you know, in the education system and media.

00:11:49.500 But Allie, I'm going to kind of just say a lot of students, I think they want to change the world.

00:11:55.380 I think they want to do what's right. A lot of students, I think most students do, at least the

00:11:59.080 ones in politics and the ones on the left, they've been told the best way that they can change the

00:12:03.680 world is by giving government all this power and giving government all this authority over everyone,

00:12:08.860 you know, other people's lives. And first of all, that's just not true, but it's also just not

00:12:13.120 logical when you think about it. And it's also not correct in the sense that if you, the best way

00:12:19.740 to improve anything is to first improve yourself is to act more ethically, act more honestly, do the

00:12:25.340 correct things. I fall short of this. Everyone does, right? We as Christians believe you're always

00:12:29.100 going to fall short of it, but you also believe you can be a better person over time. And if you do

00:12:34.180 that, you'll actually make the world a better place. But it's so easy, Allie. It's so easy to sell

00:12:40.280 utopianism to a generation that doesn't know any different, but also wants to change the world. And

00:12:46.320 so I'm careful not to do this whole like, oh, our generation is so stupid type thing. I don't think 0.99

00:12:51.560 that does end us any good. I think these students are misinformed, but that's different. I think a lot

00:12:58.040 of students mean well. I think they really think they're on the right side of history when they're

00:13:03.220 arguing for socialism or they found some like new idea. Well, it's not, you didn't find anything.

00:13:07.880 Not any sort of, you know, you didn't discover plutonium. Okay. Um, and, and, but if I can

00:13:14.820 connect with them, I say, listen, do you want to make the world a better place? Believe it or not,

00:13:18.940 I actually want to make the world a better place too. So they, they attack my emotives immediately,

00:13:23.100 right? I'm a horrible person. I want polluting. I want billionaires running around with machine guns

00:13:28.680 in gay communities. And they only go to private schools and you know, like all these like ridiculous 1.00

00:13:33.740 stereotypes, right? They only, they fly, they fly private jets to work, right? Whatever. Right.

00:13:38.360 Some crazy thing. Yeah. Listen, I actually, the first thing that's most important to me

00:13:43.200 is the matrix of maximizing human freedom while also ensuring that our natural rights are protected

00:13:51.200 while also having some sort of compromise that the least of these are taken care of in some form of

00:13:56.780 equitable, charitable way, whether that be charity, churches, government finance. So that's the first

00:14:02.480 thing. Right. But I want to be able to help people without having to sacrifice human freedom.

00:14:07.100 Yeah. That's a really, that conversation is one that Republicans and Democrats used to be able to

00:14:12.020 have while both respecting the country. Yeah. Now I feel as if you can't have a conversation about

00:14:17.480 healthcare until it, unless it descends into, Oh, this is a horrible country. Like Bernie Sanders.

00:14:22.620 Yeah. How dare we not have this as a country or a horrible place? Well, hold on. You can have this

00:14:27.920 conversation logically and ethically without having to say that this whole place has been a

00:14:32.160 mistake. Have we made mistakes? Yes. Is America a mistake? No. And so anyway, Ali, to put it long

00:14:38.660 and short, students, they're, they're the prime audience for utopian values because they want to

00:14:44.880 believe in them. They really do. And what, I mean, you're 19, you have very little responsibility.

00:14:50.100 You want to lean in. You want to say, yes, we can change the world. Yeah. Start with yourself,

00:14:56.600 but it's not that simple. Yeah. And it's not necessarily the government's job to do that.

00:15:01.400 I think that there is, like you said, not just a desire to change the world and utopianism for

00:15:06.240 themselves, but to give millennials the benefit of the doubt. I mean, a lot of times we are in

00:15:10.940 younger generation, I guess, generation Z is in college. Now we're often talked about as selfish,

00:15:16.260 self-centered, self-absorbed. And I do think that's true in a, in a large way. We've all been raised with

00:15:21.720 personal technology. Every price possession that we have starts with the letter I. We are all kind

00:15:27.800 of focused on ourselves and how we present ourselves on the internet. But I also think

00:15:31.980 that a characteristic of young people is empathy, that they truly do care about people that are

00:15:36.740 different than them. They don't want people to be ostracized. They want people to be taken care of.

00:15:41.580 And so they hear these grand ideas from someone like Bernie Sanders. So like, you know, the very

00:15:46.480 blanket statement, well, I believe that everyone should have enough, everyone working 40 hours a

00:15:52.620 week should have enough dignity to live or to have enough to live on. You hear that and you're like,

00:15:58.220 well, I don't want to argue with that. Like, I don't, I don't want to say that someone who works

00:16:03.260 at McDonald's doesn't have enough dignity, but like you said, that's a bad faith argument.

00:16:08.260 And so what I'm hearing is that when you approach these students, you try to kind of go in and say,

00:16:13.640 here's what we agree on. Like, here's the baseline, whether you believe it or not,

00:16:17.960 we both want people to be taken care of in a way. We both want people to succeed in a way.

00:16:24.820 We both want to make the world a better place, but look, we just have different strategies to get

00:16:29.100 there. So let's have a conversation about what's better. Do you think that that has been effective

00:16:33.900 or have you received a bunch of pushback or both? Yeah. I mean, I, it's definitely become,

00:16:40.260 it's becoming very effective and I never attack students motives or anything like that. I am

00:16:46.500 critical of some Democrat leaders motives because I don't think they actually want people to get off

00:16:52.480 of food stamps. That's different. Right. But when I talk to students, I'm like, listen, what, what,

00:16:56.660 what, no matter if you're a Republican or Democrat, Marxist or libertarian, you should think it's a good

00:17:02.160 thing. In fact, you should think it's a great thing that 5 million people are no longer on food

00:17:07.800 stamps and they're now getting jobs. That's a huge success. Like right now, let's just talk about

00:17:12.800 that success story of the Trump presidency because under Obama, there is nothing but food stamp

00:17:18.200 increase. It almost never went down. All of a sudden under Trump, 5 million people no longer have to

00:17:22.480 look to government. They can now provide for themselves and their family without government.

00:17:26.880 Amazing thing. Why do I talk about that? This is self-reliance. There's more dignity in that.

00:17:32.800 Right. So we're talking about the dignity of work, right? Like Bernie Sanders. I want everyone to have

00:17:36.360 dignity. Well, of course I do. I mean, yes, of course I want dignity. Like, I mean,

00:17:41.180 yeah, it's the insinuation I don't or something. It's like, are you trying to use it as like a wedge

00:17:45.980 issue? It's kind of saying like, I want everyone to live forever. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love that. I mean,

00:17:51.520 you know what I'm saying? So they use these things as if they position them as if the opposition

00:17:55.420 doesn't want dignity. Right. Like, okay. But you know what my idea of dignity is, is maximizing the

00:18:01.760 workers freedom, maximizing their capacity to get a raise, to keep all their money, to be able to

00:18:08.000 provide for their family. So that's dignity to me is the sovereignty of the individual. And it's hot,

00:18:14.680 by the way, this is, this, what's really interesting is you cannot have both liberty.

00:18:20.580 You cannot have both liberty and assuredness. You can't. So let's use this extreme example,

00:18:26.720 right? And Bernie Sanders loves talking about prisoners to vote. It's like one of the stupidest

00:18:31.380 things. And I could break that down to you if you want. It's so Beyonce. And I could, it's so silly, 1.00

00:18:36.140 but so in the most extreme example, if you want to just be taken care of, isn't that's what prison is,

00:18:43.220 right? You think about it and a really extreme example, get three meals a day. You're, you have a

00:18:48.920 house, you have a place to sleep, you have a shower, but there's no freedom, right? There's really no

00:18:54.300 freedom because people want to get out. Right. So that's the extreme example. I'm not saying that's what

00:18:58.900 the left wants media matters. If you're watching this, that's not what I'm saying. But I will say

00:19:03.800 the other extreme example is Liberty. You can do whatever you want to do, however you want to do

00:19:07.660 it. But what does Liberty take? It takes responsibility. Why do the people, why are

00:19:12.680 people in prison? Cause they didn't take responsibility. They made a mistake, right?

00:19:16.840 So the, you know, Bernie and all these people were the freedom people were all this. Well, you could

00:19:21.540 say that, but you also have to tell the audience, and this is, this is like being brutally true in

00:19:27.100 politics and no one wants to be brutally true in politics. I'm going to give you freedom. I'm

00:19:31.780 going to give you Liberty, but if you screw up, you got to take it. You got to take responsibility

00:19:34.820 for yourself. Yeah. And everyone's going to kind of clap. Like, wait a second. I have to do what?

00:19:40.100 Yeah. Like I have to wake up earlier. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But here's the thing is,

00:19:45.840 and this is why we as conservatives are always going to be punching up Allie. Always. This is why

00:19:50.220 talk radio is so successful. This is why your podcast works because it takes effort to explain

00:19:55.000 conservative values. Yeah. They are natural. They are embedded, but it takes maturity. It takes work

00:20:02.240 because it's so much easier to sell everything with no responsibility. Yeah. By the way, I wish my job

00:20:08.740 was to go to college campuses and say free education, student loan debt, climate change renewal. My job

00:20:14.440 would be so easy. I'd be done in 10 minutes. Yeah. And so anyway, I'm the long and short of it is

00:20:20.180 this takes explanation. It takes theory. It takes observation, takes maturity, but it also

00:20:26.520 demonstrates we're on the right side of history to use Ben Shapiro quote, who we love, or to use

00:20:32.420 the right side of the argument. Yeah. And I don't think that's talked about enough. Yeah. I always say

00:20:39.220 that it's so much easier to be a progressive millennial or a progressive Gen Z-er than it is to

00:20:43.680 be a conservative millennial. Not because like you said, the ideas are complicated. They are very natural.

00:20:48.500 And I think embedded in, in the human spirit, but because they are being indoctrinated by every

00:20:55.660 megaphone that's out there by their professors, by social media, by the mainstream media,

00:21:02.140 by all of these outlets. And so we are swimming upstream. We are like the voices in the wilderness

00:21:07.640 saying, hang on just one second. Hang on a second. I have something to say to that. And if anyone wants

00:21:13.220 to listen to me, great, but we have to kind of put our voices out there knowing that we're going to be

00:21:17.920 criticized and lambasted by the mainstream and hope that there are some people out there who are

00:21:23.440 thinking, wait, I'm, I'm listening to this progressive stuff too. And I I'm not so sure

00:21:28.800 that it's right. Like, I'm not, I'm not so sure that I'm on board with, you know, with abortion.

00:21:34.520 I'm not so sure that I'm on board with socialism. And so they start listening to people like you,

00:21:38.360 like Candace, like me, like Ben. And they say, okay, someone please make sense of this for me

00:21:42.900 and give me another alternative. And they hear it. And the hope is anyway, that they're like,

00:21:48.180 oh, okay. Okay. That makes more sense now, but you're right in that it is difficult because what

00:21:55.220 you're presenting to them is not a guarantee you're presenting to them risk. And you know,

00:22:00.080 it's, it's difficult. It's just like selling any kind of investment. It's like, okay, there's a huge,

00:22:05.280 there's a risk in this. There's a big risk in this, but the reward is so much greater than collectivism.

00:22:11.640 So much greater and convincing someone of that without any kind of guarantee is difficult.

00:22:17.540 And so here's a couple of thought exercises. You're totally right. It's difficult and it takes

00:22:22.020 effort and it takes a mature society. And so what I tell people is for any benefit that you want to

00:22:27.520 receive from the government, be ready to be ready to pay for the equivalent of it at any time.

00:22:32.980 Right. So, okay. I want free education. Okay. What does that cost? Uh, I don't know. It's free.

00:22:38.000 No, it's not. Whatever it is. The $21,000 a year, be ready to write that check. Cause you might have

00:22:42.660 to, well, no, that's not how it works. No, sure. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Don't try to make other

00:22:47.260 people pay for what you think is a good idea. By the way, most times you will end up paying for it.

00:22:51.320 That's actually the data shows that is that the, the people that advocate for these free handouts

00:22:56.060 actually end up paying for it. Right. They actually end up, you know, they, they end up having to carry

00:23:01.400 that burden. And you said it, you said it best is there is risk in this, but there's also fulfillment.

00:23:06.620 And this is what really upsets me is that these students are like, well, I just want to live a

00:23:11.340 happy life and get taken care of. And they don't say it that, you know, flippantly some do, you know,

00:23:17.340 like, well, hold on a second. You just, your idea of happiness is just getting a bunch of stuff from

00:23:22.060 the government. Like I'm sure you had like dreams, right? I mean, you must do want to do something in

00:23:26.440 your life. You might want to start a business, start a family travel. I say you maximize freedom

00:23:32.420 to the greatest extent you can without encroaching on other people's rights. Right. And still

00:23:38.260 protecting the least of these in a very compromised, you know, in a, in a, in a position that we can

00:23:42.480 come to a consensus with, right. Through where it's a safety net, not a hammock, right. Not anarchist

00:23:47.640 people, whatever gets crazy idea, but maximizing freedom, right. Then at that moment,

00:23:56.440 you will have a more functioning, productive, healthy society. And this is hard. It's just,

00:24:01.560 it's just not easy because as soon as there's some sort of, some form of

00:24:06.300 not dysfunction, but you have some form of irregularity. People immediately say, oh,

00:24:12.200 the government should fix that. Yeah. You know, government should do this. The government should

00:24:15.820 come in and have, you know, free education or bail out the banks. And it's so tempting to turn to

00:24:21.380 government to try to fix all these problems. When in reality, government is actually the root cause of

00:24:25.740 most of them. Um, and so look, this message that you and I are bringing to young people

00:24:30.680 is resonating. It's going to take more effort. And this is why the work we're doing at Turning

00:24:35.740 Point USA, you know, is so important. And you chairing our Young Women's Leadership Summit,

00:24:40.880 anyone listening to this should come to our Young Women's Leadership Summit in early June,

00:24:45.460 tpusa.com slash YWLS. And, um, I just started my new podcast, which is so much fun. I love it.

00:24:51.740 I love it. Yeah. Wait, tell everyone, tell everyone about your, about your podcast, where

00:24:55.020 they can find it, what it's called, all that, what you'll be doing, how long, how long it is,

00:24:59.460 all that. Yeah. It's going to be once a week. Um, kind of just like a culture war update from

00:25:04.240 the front lines. Every Wednesday, every Wednesday, every Wednesday, they go to Apple podcast and,

00:25:10.160 or iTunes, just type in a Charlie Kirk show, hit subscribe five-star rating. Um, if you want

00:25:15.640 top charts, it's, it's already, it's already soared in the charts, which is amazing. That tells you that

00:25:20.800 the first episode was awesome. Everyone needs to go listen to it. Yeah, we're, we're really happy.

00:25:25.680 Um, we're going to have a live show next week in Phoenix. If anyone's interested to come by,

00:25:29.680 um, kind of as a cool second episode. Um, and look, we're just, we're going to see if I'm good

00:25:35.340 at it and all that sort of stuff. I think I'm going to really enjoy it. I love long form.

00:25:39.080 Your podcast is amazing. It's a top 100 podcast in the world. Um, from the charts I've seen,

00:25:44.520 which is awesome. And I think our generation is looking for this kind of longer form or intellectual,

00:25:48.900 deeper defense of these ideas. Yeah. I think they're looking for nuance. And I think a lot

00:25:53.680 of people don't realize they might only see you in a, in a 32nd clip to where you were just 0.92

00:25:59.000 destroying a stupid argument from someone on the left, or they see you on Fox. You're everywhere 0.61

00:26:04.280 doing all of these things. But I think they maybe don't know how much work you put into this and how

00:26:11.320 long you've been studying this stuff, how much you really know about all this. There's a million

00:26:17.040 things that I could talk to you about socialism, Venezuela, all of that, but you'll just have to

00:26:21.740 come back and we'll have another conversation. But everyone who does, I'm sure everyone who

00:26:26.080 listens to this already follows you. You've got, I think a million followers on it on Twitter,

00:26:30.180 a million. Yep. That's freaking crazy. That's crazy. Well, thank you so much for taking the time

00:26:36.780 to join me. Um, everyone go to tpusa.com slash YWLS. Correct. Yes. If you are a female between 1.00

00:26:44.720 ages 18 and 27, that's right. Correct. And we will, we're going to work on some kind of,

00:26:50.160 I've gotten a lot of messages from young moms in their thirties saying, Hey, we want something for

00:26:55.240 us. And so we'll have to think about that. Thank you so much, Allie, for having me. This is great.

00:27:00.040 Thank you. I'll see you soon. I hope that you enjoyed that conversation with Charlie. There were

00:27:05.300 so many other things that I wanted to talk to him about. I mean, the guy, well, he just speaks well,

00:27:10.120 first of all, but he also knows a lot. He just knows a lot. He knows a lot of facts. He's been

00:27:15.560 doing a lot of reading on capitalism and socialism and American exceptionalism for a really long time.

00:27:20.700 So he's just a good resource on all of this. If you go on social media and you look at the clips

00:27:27.560 in which he is engaging with these students, it's really incredible how he's able to just kind of

00:27:31.520 recall these facts, uh, so quickly. But, um, I just really appreciate the work that he is doing for

00:27:38.380 conservatism and how long he's been in this fight at such a young age. It's really crazy.

00:27:43.200 I wanted to talk to him about Venezuela and socialism and everything that's going on there.

00:27:48.580 And I also wanted to bring up the assault on the dignity of work. That's a reason why we're having

00:27:54.480 such a hard time. I think reasoning with people like AOC and Bernie Sanders is because they don't

00:28:00.820 believe there is an inherent dignity in someone working. They think it is just as dignified for someone

00:28:06.260 to live on the, off the government and, you know, watercolor paint all day, even though no one

00:28:12.000 is buying their pieces. Like that's what they think is just as dignified as someone working hard and

00:28:17.720 providing for their family. And so when you don't have the same idea of the dignity of work, that

00:28:22.980 there is inherent dignity in work, then that that's difficult. And part of that is because, uh,

00:28:30.000 the left has become so secular, they have become so not everyone on the left, but in general,

00:28:35.580 the left has become secular. The left has, um, abandoned this idea of the centrality of God,

00:28:42.240 the centrality of, uh, morality of biblical morality. And the Bible is what tells us that one

00:28:49.020 personal property is a thing. The 10th commandment is do not covet. And also, uh, that work is good.

00:28:55.920 Work existed before the fall of man. It existed before sin. So work is inherently good. It is what,

00:29:01.560 uh, part of what the human spirit runs on is productivity. And so when there's an assault on

00:29:08.340 that, there's an assault on the individual, there's an assault on the dignity of human beings,

00:29:13.320 um, as image bearers of God and as God created us to be. So that's it. That's all I have to say

00:29:19.720 about that. There's so much more, there's so much more that I could say. And I could talk to Charlie

00:29:23.480 about that forever. But if you want to meet, uh, either of us, you, and you are a woman between

00:29:28.640 the ages of 18 and 27, I'm right on the cutoff. I am 27. Make sure you come to YWLS. It is in

00:29:35.820 Dallas, Texas. I am the chairwoman. So I will be there as long as I don't give birth. Cause I'll

00:29:39.760 be 37 weeks pregnant at that point. As long as I don't give birth, I will be there making sure that

00:29:44.180 you have a great time. And I would of course love to meet you. Uh, okay. That's all I have for today

00:29:51.040 and all I have for this week. Love you guys. I will see you back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 03, 2019

Ep 107 ｜ Charlie Kirk

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