Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1077 ｜ No, Tim Walz. Jesus Doesn’t Support Illegal Immigration ｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

00:00:00.580 Tim Wall says Jesus supports illegal immigration.

00:00:05.300 He also calls abortion a fundamental right.

00:00:08.660 We've got a breakdown of the vice presidential debate that occurred last night.

00:00:12.760 Also, we've got Josh Hammer with us to tell us what is really going on with Iran and Israel

00:00:18.720 and why we should care.

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00:00:39.840 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:41.960 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:43.180 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:45.720 All right, let's talk about this vice presidential debate.

00:00:48.640 If you want to hear how our predictions came true, go back and listen to or watch yesterday's

00:00:55.580 conversation with my dad, TLDR, for those of you who don't know, that means too long, didn't

00:01:02.680 read.

00:01:04.160 Basically, my dad's prediction came exactly true, that Tim Walls was going to focus on Donald

00:01:11.100 Trump and he was going to basically act like he was debating Trump rather than debating J.D.

00:01:19.860 Vance, which was a smart strategic move on his part.

00:01:24.320 But unfortunately for Tim Walls, he did not come out of this debate on top.

00:01:31.940 That strategy, while probably the smartest one he had to employ, did not earn him the title

00:01:39.180 of victor in this.

00:01:40.640 And of course, it's a little subjective because I wanted J.D.

00:01:43.980 Vance to dominate.

00:01:45.640 But as you guys know, I am not afraid to be critical of our Republican candidates.

00:01:52.140 In fact, I want to be critical when it is due because I want them to win.

00:01:57.280 I want them to do the best they possibly can.

00:01:59.940 So when they slip up, when they make a strategic error, an unforced error, I'm going to call

00:02:04.720 them out on it.

00:02:05.960 I don't think they need to be surrounded by yes men, yes advisors, yes commentators.

00:02:11.000 They need people who are going to do our best anyway, from our own fallible and finite subjective

00:02:18.220 perspectives.

00:02:19.260 Give them the best possible advice that we can, at least from my vantage point as a suburban

00:02:30.100 woman, a Christian mom who understands, at least in large part, what women in my demographic

00:02:38.580 are seeing and thinking and feeling.

00:02:42.540 And that's what I'm thinking about when I'm watching these debates.

00:02:46.200 Who is appealing to that woman, to that voter?

00:02:49.340 Many of whom are either undecided or they're feeling apathetic because it's very overwhelming

00:02:56.300 right now to turn on the news, to scroll through social media.

00:02:59.800 There's so many problems both here and abroad.

00:03:02.300 And rather than that being a motivation to be engaged, it actually can be so demoralizing

00:03:10.740 and discouraging that many women will just opt out of the political process altogether and 0.98

00:03:17.640 think, OK, I don't have control of what's going on at the border.

00:03:21.340 There's nothing I can do about the lawlessness in the streets.

00:03:24.360 I have no idea if we're about to have World War III.

00:03:27.320 And I can't control inflation, but what I can control is what's happening in my home and my life.

00:03:34.820 Part of that is healthy, actually.

00:03:37.560 I think to look more locally, look more immediately at what's in front of us, to do the very next

00:03:43.200 right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God, whether that's changing a diaper

00:03:47.180 with joy or sending an email with competency and excellence, those things are good.

00:03:52.460 But that does not mean just because we're focusing on what's right in front of us, we can be completely

00:03:58.400 disengaged.

00:03:59.380 Because remember, the policies that we're voting for actually matter.

00:04:03.060 And so these debates, like the one last night, they actually matter.

00:04:06.960 They give us a taste of what we could get when we get a particular ticket in the White House.

00:04:14.640 And I wanted to see which candidate is going to appeal to that woman who is feeling overwhelmed,

00:04:21.500 who just wants order and stability, who wants to be able to survive on one income if her 1.00

00:04:28.560 family so chooses, who wants to be able to go to a clean park close by and not have to worry

00:04:35.840 about her children's safety, who cares about her community, who cares about good schools,

00:04:41.060 wants her kids to be able to get a good education without progressive ideology.

00:04:46.920 But this woman is not necessarily the most political.

00:04:50.360 Who is appealing to her?

00:04:52.220 In the last debate, I thought Kamala Harris was the only one really appealing to women, 1.00

00:04:57.780 albeit in ways that I completely disdain.

00:05:00.840 But Donald Trump's demeanor and the way that he posited his positions, they just weren't appealing

00:05:08.300 to that demographic.

00:05:09.200 So I was interested in how J.D. Vance would play this.

00:05:13.100 And honestly, we're going to get into some of the details.

00:05:15.740 I thought J.D. Vance overall did so well.

00:05:18.860 I thought he had a great mix of aggression and fact-checking when needed, while also showing

00:05:27.620 compassion and softness, which is exactly what hillbillyology is.

00:05:32.120 I thought, you know, he's got to bring who he is and hillbillyology to the debate stage,

00:05:37.660 which is hard.

00:05:38.780 Gosh, it's a completely different format.

00:05:40.440 That is tough to do.

00:05:41.720 And I know that he's a skilled communicator, but for anyone, that's a challenge.

00:05:46.860 And yet that's exactly what he did.

00:05:48.620 The way that he interwove his personal upbringing, his genuine working class, hard knock background

00:05:56.720 with his policy positions, defending Donald Trump's policy proposals better than Donald Trump himself,

00:06:04.500 it was a masterclass.

00:06:06.140 It was honestly beautiful.

00:06:09.120 And Tim Walz, actually, he didn't do bad.

00:06:11.240 I knew he wasn't going to do bad.

00:06:12.640 A lot of people on the right said, oh, this is going to be just a complete slaughter and

00:06:18.520 there's nothing that Tim Walz can bring to the table.

00:06:21.420 I knew that that wasn't the case.

00:06:23.440 Now, I will say, looking at the two up there, I was like, okay, J.D. Vance has got at least

00:06:29.320 25 IQ points on everyone in this room right now.

00:06:33.180 That was obvious.

00:06:34.740 But Tim Walz, he held his own.

00:06:37.540 He held his own.

00:06:38.960 And he's got good comedic timing.

00:06:41.680 He does have this kind of relatable demeanor.

00:06:44.300 At first, I thought picking him over Josh Shapiro was a mistake for the Harris campaign

00:06:50.040 and a gift to us.

00:06:51.280 But the more I've seen Tim Walz, how he performs in these rallies, how he speaks in interviews,

00:06:55.820 I'm like, I totally see it.

00:06:57.260 I know exactly why they chose him.

00:06:59.000 Yes, he's politically radical, but he doesn't come across that way.

00:07:03.000 And so I understand why they chose him.

00:07:05.700 But I also saw his serious, serious weaknesses in this debate, which, of course, is good for

00:07:12.620 us.

00:07:13.100 So the first weakness that I saw was actually at the very top of the debate in just his

00:07:20.060 demeanor.

00:07:20.800 We've got a full screen of picture of Tim Walz at the very beginning.

00:07:25.640 He was asked a question about Israel and Iran.

00:07:30.140 And as I've already said at the top, we've got Josh Hammer at the end of this, and he's

00:07:35.100 going to tell us all about what is happening there.

00:07:38.180 So he was asked about that in the beginning, which, of course, he should not be surprised

00:07:42.800 by that.

00:07:43.320 That was the that was the headline yesterday and all the news organizations.

00:07:48.240 And his answer was fine.

00:07:50.340 But immediately I noticed how nervous he looked and OK, this is going to be gross.

00:07:56.240 And I don't like to be gross, but he had this like a dry mouth spit thing going on.

00:08:01.700 And I thought and I know this sounds superficial.

00:08:04.360 I'm not trying to just be like a middle school insults, but this kind of thing, actually, it

00:08:09.660 matters.

00:08:10.120 The optics matter.

00:08:11.560 How someone looks actually matters on screen.

00:08:14.040 And I was like, if he's got that spit thing going on the whole time, like they're going

00:08:18.940 to lose this election.

00:08:21.200 No joke. 0.97

00:08:22.040 I know that sounds silly, but it's so gross to look at.

00:08:25.340 But for thankfully for him, that actually went away.

00:08:28.920 But I don't think his nervousness did go away.

00:08:32.060 I was actually surprised because he's pretty dynamic on stage.

00:08:35.720 He looked like a deer in the headlights.

00:08:37.500 This is not just a bad screenshot that we've got up.

00:08:40.200 Like this is how he looked the whole time.

00:08:42.640 Mouth the gape, eyes really wide, constantly jotting down little things.

00:08:48.500 I'm always confused when they're taking notes because I'm like, there's no way that you could

00:08:52.720 have actually written something that fast.

00:08:54.380 Do they just scribble out of nervousness?

00:08:56.080 I would probably do that, too.

00:08:57.720 So I'm not blaming him.

00:08:59.420 But J.D. Vance never did that.

00:09:00.700 J.D. Vance was looking really strong.

00:09:02.280 He was looking very vice presidential, if you ask me.

00:09:05.240 And I just thought Tim Walls looked nervous.

00:09:08.480 So that's that's my thought on that.

00:09:10.620 Here was his here was his quote, part of his quote after he answered the Iran-Israel question,

00:09:19.420 in which he actually said something that a lot of us would agree with.

00:09:22.680 He said Israel's got a right to defend itself, as we'll talk about with Josh.

00:09:26.860 That's not really what this ticket believes.

00:09:28.720 But he said what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

00:09:32.600 It's clear.

00:09:33.220 And the world saw it on the debate stage a few weeks ago.

00:09:35.660 A nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump.

00:09:38.220 Funny that we were talking about age.

00:09:40.600 Oh, no, it's OK to talk about age.

00:09:43.740 We couldn't talk about age when your doddering candidate was running for president.

00:09:49.920 He was we were supposed to believe that he was super youthful and confident.

00:09:54.240 But now we can talk about age when it's Donald Trump.

00:09:57.340 That's hilarious.

00:09:59.160 He said Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment,

00:10:03.440 which is a good strategic move for him.

00:10:05.860 Both of them were competing with who is actually the more chaotic candidate because they know everyone wants stability.

00:10:14.240 You don't have to convince people that the world is chaotic.

00:10:16.940 People want stability and normalcy.

00:10:19.120 Both of them were trying to claim that Harris or, you know, J.D. Vance trying to claim that Harris is the chaotic one.

00:10:25.380 And then we had Walls trying to claim that Trump was the chaotic one.

00:10:30.140 So that was basically the back and forth and how it started out.

00:10:33.160 We'll get into some details about their immigration and abortion positions in a second. 0.70

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00:11:45.320 So Bree and I have just a slight disagreement about J.D. Vance's opening answer.

00:11:57.660 So he was also asked about Iran attacking Israel.

00:12:02.280 And he responded basically by saying, I came from a working class family.

00:12:08.520 And I was watching this and I was like, is this a joke?

00:12:11.860 Is he kidding?

00:12:13.480 Is this a joke?

00:12:14.460 Because this has become a meme for Kamala Harris.

00:12:17.980 Kamala Harris, she answers every tough question in an interview, which she's done very few interviews. 1.00

00:12:24.140 I can only think of maybe three compared to Donald Trump and J.D. Vance's 60 combined interviews that they've done in this election cycle.

00:12:31.740 Just crazy.

00:12:32.740 But it's because she's terrible in those extemporaneous circumstances or situations.

00:12:37.380 And she answers serious questions about economics or foreign policy by starting out.

00:12:42.440 I come from a working class family.

00:12:44.180 And so I actually thought that J.D. Vance was joking.

00:12:46.180 But he was taking the moment to introduce himself, to tell people who he is, what his background is.

00:12:53.040 Personally, I found it off-putting.

00:12:55.440 I had to leave the room because I was uncomfortable.

00:12:58.160 But other people on X thought that it was great that he took a moment to introduce himself because he knew that he wouldn't get a chance to do that, to show people his background, his upbringing, the rest of the debate, and that it kind of gave people context for who he was.

00:13:15.900 And Brie, did you think that this was a good first answer?

00:13:20.160 Yeah, I agree with you that it was a little awkward how he started it because it was kind of a cult, how Kamala answers everything.

00:13:27.060 But I thought it was good to establish himself.

00:13:30.560 And Waltz didn't get to do that.

00:13:32.180 He did later, in some random answer, I think when he was talking about China, stop and explain that he was like a public school teacher and he loved being a teacher and it was so random.

00:13:43.740 And I thought that that was way more awkward, him having to go back and kind of explain his past later on in the debate than straight from the beginning.

00:13:51.600 So I kind of liked how he established himself.

00:13:54.040 I mean, yeah, it's going to be awkward either way because they don't give them a chance to do it.

00:13:57.480 So he had to not answer the question right away.

00:14:00.480 But I think it was probably the smarter move than to like try to fit it in elsewhere.

00:14:05.800 Yeah, you know, I and this hindsight is 20-20 and everyone.

00:14:11.140 And I'm sure J.D. Vance is looking back at last night and thinking of different things.

00:14:15.020 Maybe he would have done differently.

00:14:16.420 So I'm not trying to be overly critical.

00:14:18.800 I probably would have preferred him answering the question quickly by saying Israel has the absolute right to defend itself.

00:14:26.400 And Donald Trump has a policy history of promoting peace in the region.

00:14:31.360 And he will absolutely do that and protect Israel when he becomes president again.

00:14:36.780 But I want to tell you a little bit about my background before we move on.

00:14:40.420 With the rest of my time, I'm going to introduce myself.

00:14:43.920 One of the reasons why I'm so passionate about this is because of my time in the Marines.

00:14:48.740 And then back up.

00:14:50.960 And I got to the Marines from this is my upbringing.

00:14:53.780 I think that would have been a lot more natural.

00:14:56.520 And because it was such a pressing and we're talking about like a life and death issue.

00:15:00.480 To pivot, I thought was awkward.

00:15:03.140 But that's just my personal opinion.

00:15:05.340 A lot of people thought it was awesome how he did it.

00:15:08.800 And I thought the rest of the debate that he did really well, except I thought abortion was like a little squishy.

00:15:15.320 But gosh, he held his own.

00:15:16.960 And he is such a good communicator.

00:15:18.920 Yeah.

00:15:19.620 I was so impressed.

00:15:20.680 And I know people on Twitter were impressed, too.

00:15:22.460 I saw a lot of tweets that were like, okay, a star is born.

00:15:25.520 Because a lot of people didn't know that he was going to perform like that.

00:15:29.180 Oh, yeah.

00:15:29.940 I mean, I really had no doubt that he was going to be articulate.

00:15:33.700 Because I don't think I've ever heard the man say um in his life.

00:15:37.040 He's so good.

00:15:38.540 But I didn't know how he would display compassion.

00:15:42.260 I didn't know if he would be too harsh.

00:15:43.980 And then knucklehead Tim Walls.

00:15:45.940 His words. 0.70

00:15:46.800 Tim Walls called himself a knucklehead on stage.

00:15:48.900 We'll get to that.

00:15:49.580 Um, but I didn't, I thought that it'd be like, oh, Grandpa Tim against a mean old J.D. Vance.

00:15:56.160 So I just wasn't sure how he was going to play it.

00:15:58.600 Because J.D. Vance also does look like a Civil War hero.

00:16:01.320 And so he could come across like as a little harsh looking.

00:16:04.660 But he did.

00:16:05.380 I thought he balanced that really, really well.

00:16:08.620 Um, one of the most impressive answers, I think, most impressive pivots.

00:16:13.460 Because you got to pivot.

00:16:14.260 You got to go on offense all the time.

00:16:16.100 Donald Trump took the bait in the last debate every single time and defended himself.

00:16:21.440 And when you're defending yourself, you seem, you just come across as weak.

00:16:26.720 I think that you can say one thing in defense of yourself and then you go on offense.

00:16:30.580 I thought J.D. Vance did that beautifully.

00:16:32.580 So on climate change, Nora O'Donnell started describing the devastation caused by Hurricane

00:16:38.480 Helene and then turns the questions to climate change, which as soon as she started this,

00:16:42.360 I knew it wasn't going to be about the human cost.

00:16:45.200 I knew it wasn't going to be about even the government response or the lack of government

00:16:50.280 response that we've seen in the southeast from the Biden administration, but that she

00:16:54.160 was going to turn it into a climate change issue.

00:16:57.160 So she asked Senator Vance about this, what responsibility the Trump administration would

00:17:03.080 see themselves having in response to climate change.

00:17:07.320 And I thought Vance did this really well.

00:17:09.080 You know, he basically said, let's not debate the the cause of climate change or all of

00:17:15.580 that.

00:17:15.780 Let's just assume that it's true if it is true.

00:17:19.700 And if Democrats really care about it the way that they say they do, then they would

00:17:25.780 be investing in more manufacturing and more energy production here in the United States the

00:17:32.080 way that Donald Trump did when he was president, the way that Donald Trump will when he's president

00:17:36.560 again, he said, quote, clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on 1.00

00:17:42.020 this.

00:17:42.860 If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

00:17:48.480 Nora O'Donnell very strangely added her own editorial to this.

00:17:53.600 She said the overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an

00:17:57.960 unprecedented rate.

00:17:59.860 OK, that's not even anything that he said.

00:18:04.320 And, you know, these moderators, they were definitely better than the last debate in that

00:18:08.340 they weren't openly arguing quite as much with J.D. Vance, although it was still very lopsided.

00:18:15.060 We knew it was going to be lopsided.

00:18:17.560 It was at times three against one.

00:18:20.380 And thankfully for J.D. Vance, he has a higher IQ than all three of them combined.

00:18:25.160 I thought the moderators were extremely awkward and I know it's a tough job, but they were

00:18:32.980 weird.

00:18:33.620 I'm sorry, but to borrow a term from the Harris Walls campaign, they were just odd.

00:18:38.980 Like the things that they would say, it was like almost like it was A.I.

00:18:42.700 It was very weird.

00:18:44.140 And then immigration, of course, understandably, was, I think, Vance's strongest, strongest moments 1.00

00:18:52.580 because Harris is so weak on this.

00:18:55.240 The Biden administration has been awful on this.

00:18:57.580 The devastation because of illegal immigration is so obvious and so massive that, I mean, 0.70

00:19:04.820 this was going to be a home run.

00:19:07.320 Actually, Trump did not do well in the debate against Harris on this.

00:19:12.880 He could have he could have hit a home run on this, but he didn't.

00:19:16.460 He pivoted.

00:19:17.040 I forget what it was, but he pivoted to something really weird on immigration, which should be 1.00

00:19:22.560 his strongest point.

00:19:24.320 As I've said before, I would vote for Donald Trump on the issue on the based on the promise

00:19:29.000 of mass deportations alone.

00:19:30.740 I would because I think it's so important.

00:19:33.840 All of the other issues we care about so much can't be fought for if we don't have a country

00:19:40.200 and you do not have a country if you don't have borders.

00:19:42.800 You don't have borders if you're not enforcing border law.

00:19:45.460 Your citizenship doesn't matter. 1.00

00:19:47.920 It means nothing.

00:19:49.440 If everyone can vote, if everyone has a right to government subsidies and all of the welfare

00:19:59.160 and all of the access that the government gives its citizens, if everyone gets those

00:20:05.540 things, no matter whether you are a citizen or not, no matter whether you're even here

00:20:10.780 legally or not, then your citizenship means nothing, which means you have no rights that

00:20:16.880 are afforded to you as a citizen.

00:20:19.140 You have no protections that are afforded to you as a citizen.

00:20:24.140 And so the country itself means nothing.

00:20:26.740 If citizenship means nothing, that means we don't have any sovereignty.

00:20:30.840 You're being sold out by your government.

00:20:33.320 That means literally, not hyperbolically, the dissolution of the United States of America.

00:20:41.280 And if that happens, you will see more devastation, more chaos than you can even imagine.

00:20:52.260 A strong America that believes in due process, that believes in the rule of law, that still

00:20:59.500 believes in free speech is the only impediment to a global regime that wants to control every

00:21:12.420 single part of your life.

00:21:14.540 And I wish I were exaggerating.

00:21:17.400 Go back and binge listen to or watch every episode I've done with Justin Haskins.

00:21:21.520 And I've said before, like, I understand if you're just living your life and you're like,

00:21:28.400 I don't want to believe that.

00:21:30.120 I want to believe that that's a conspiracy theory because it's too much.

00:21:33.200 I get it.

00:21:34.380 Ignorance is bliss to an extent, but look, like we have power.

00:21:38.940 We still have a voice.

00:21:40.840 Use it.

00:21:41.840 Use it.

00:21:43.000 So let's get into this a little bit on immigration.

00:21:46.600 So Vance said this in response to Margaret Brennan's question about Trump's plan to deport

00:21:55.660 a bunch of people here illegally.

00:21:58.400 He said, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

00:22:01.520 We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted 1.00

00:22:09.220 to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies, 94 orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing

00:22:15.940 illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

00:22:22.820 And he said that's opened the floodgates.

00:22:25.000 Then he said, right now in this country, we have 320,000 children that the Department of

00:22:31.020 Homeland Security has effectively lost.

00:22:33.200 Some of them have been sex trafficked.

00:22:35.820 Hopefully, some are at home with their families.

00:22:38.380 Some have been used as drug trafficking mules.

00:22:41.560 The real family separation policy in this country is Kamala Harris's border. 1.00

00:22:46.860 Now, where are all the pro-life evangelicals for Biden?

00:22:52.020 Where are all those social justice Christians that a few years ago were sounding the alarm about

00:22:58.620 Trump's draconian family separation policies?

00:23:02.280 Who used that as a justification for Christians voting Democrat because, well, yeah, Democrats

00:23:08.760 support abortion, but look at the evils that Donald Trump's administration supports by separating

00:23:14.820 these children from their parents.

00:23:16.940 And by the way, most of the time, that's not what was happening.

00:23:20.180 The adults that were taking these children across the border were not really their parents.

00:23:24.860 They were coyotes.

00:23:26.140 They were traffickers.

00:23:27.520 And there was no way for the United States government to prove that these children actually

00:23:32.940 belong to these parents.

00:23:34.500 These parents were committing a crime by crossing the border.

00:23:37.580 Just like when you commit a crime in the United States, you are separated from your children

00:23:42.300 when you are placed in jail.

00:23:43.700 I'm not saying that's an ideal scenario.

00:23:45.380 I want every baby and every child to be with their mama forever.

00:23:48.300 Okay, like I absolutely support that. 0.95

00:23:51.680 But if you're going to say, wow, that's why Donald Trump is so evil.

00:23:55.020 He's just like Hitler, which literally professing Christians said that kind of thing at the time.

00:24:00.680 Where are you now?

00:24:02.140 Where are you now?

00:24:03.360 If you care about these children like you say you do, you would be for stringent border policy.

00:24:10.420 You would.

00:24:11.200 And so I'm really glad that he pointed this out.

00:24:16.520 When Walls faced a question about the immigration crisis, he said basically that President Trump

00:24:21.700 didn't do anything about it.

00:24:23.640 He undermined efforts by Congress to guard the border.

00:24:27.440 But that's not true.

00:24:29.560 We've got a fact check on that in just a second.

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00:26:17.440 So Walls repeated this lie.

00:26:20.440 That the Senate border bill that was put forward last year would have secured the border.

00:26:26.380 And Donald Trump called up some friends in Congress and told them to vote against it.

00:26:30.420 But that's because it was an awful bill.

00:26:32.500 That's why Republicans voted against it. 0.59

00:26:34.780 It didn't actually secure the border.

00:26:37.080 So here's the Senate border bill.

00:26:39.340 This is via the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

00:26:42.540 It allowed 5,000 illegal border crossings per day before closing the border.

00:26:48.720 So it basically said you had to hit that threshold of 5,000 illegal crossings before they would secure the border at all.

00:26:54.820 Well, okay, keeps catch and release in place.

00:26:58.340 So that means say you catch someone at the border.

00:27:01.160 Say it's someone with a terroristic background.

00:27:03.000 You release them into the interior of the United States.

00:27:06.680 Does not stop parole abuse.

00:27:08.620 That means people that are placed on parole in the United States and they don't appear for their court date.

00:27:15.840 All kinds of abuse is there, sends hundreds of millions to the nonprofit organizations that actually facilitate illegal immigration, make it easier for these people to be incentivized to illegally immigrate, and requires that any illegal alien who claims asylum be released into the country and granted work authorization immediately.

00:27:37.440 Okay, we can have a debate about how many asylum seekers we should accept, but it's definitely not unlimited and unconditional.

00:27:43.420 That is for sure.

00:27:45.740 If you claim that everyone who comes from a poorer country than the United States is an asylum, that means we have a responsibility to welcome every single person in the world into the United States.

00:27:55.160 Is that loving your neighbor?

00:27:56.600 I promise it's not.

00:27:59.260 Speaking of loving your neighbor, Tim Walsh had this to say about Jesus' take on illegal immigration.

00:28:08.800 I don't talk about my faith a lot.

00:28:12.060 But Matthew 25, 40 talks about, to the least amongst us, you do unto me.

00:28:16.980 I think that's true of most Americans.

00:28:19.460 They simply want order to it.

00:28:21.600 This bill does it.

00:28:22.880 It's funded.

00:28:23.740 It's supported by the people who do it.

00:28:25.420 And it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

00:28:29.900 The bill doesn't do that at all, as I just fact-checked.

00:28:33.500 And also, that's not what Jesus is talking about there.

00:28:36.140 I promise you that when Jesus is referencing the least of these, he's not talking about the illegal aliens that were just arrested for raping minors in Nantucket.

00:28:45.960 I promise you that.

00:28:47.820 Actually, when Jesus is talking about the least of these here, he's not even talking about the world's poor.

00:28:53.240 He is talking about persecuted Christians.

00:28:55.520 Like, if you look at the context of what is being said here, he is talking about persecuted Christians.

00:29:04.200 He is not talking—yes, the poor matter, of course.

00:29:08.440 And those who are on the margins, true margins of society, they do matter.

00:29:13.640 But that's not who Jesus is referencing here.

00:29:16.040 He is certainly not talking about the military-aged men who are coming into this country illegally.

00:29:22.420 Remember, borders and order are God's idea.

00:29:29.420 This is toxic empathy.

00:29:32.640 This is that phrase that I've been using so much recently, the tool of manipulation that is meant to emotionally extort you into believing that the righteous, biblical, loving, compassionate, empathetic side is the progressive one.

00:29:50.500 And here's how they do that.

00:29:52.420 They hoist up this particular victim.

00:29:55.380 In my book, Toxic Empathy, that's out October 15th, I show you exactly how they do this.

00:30:03.280 There's a woman named Maribel Diaz, and her story was told by the Washington Post a few years ago.

00:30:11.360 She and her husband and her three children fled poverty and violence in Mexico, came to the United States for a better life, settled in Ohio, and got to work, raised their children.

00:30:27.660 And then, when Donald Trump became president, she was deported.

00:30:33.120 She missed her family.

00:30:34.700 She missed her baby.

00:30:36.740 She missed her husband.

00:30:38.460 She wasn't sure what was going to happen if her husband was deported, too, when she would ever be reunited with her child.

00:30:45.040 That is the victim that is hoisted up by the media, and only that victim.

00:30:49.460 We are told that that is the only story that matters, and we are meant to only feel for her, to feel how she feels, to think, wow, if I were a mother, I would hate to be separated from my child in that way.

00:31:02.340 And while we can have compassion to her, the reality is there are people who matter on the other side of the situation, too.

00:31:10.940 So we read about Maribel's story, and our heartstrings are pulled, and if you're only reading about her, you think, wow, the loving, righteous, Christ-like thing to do is to vote for Democrats because they don't believe in deporting these people who have just come here for a better life.

00:31:28.680 But then I want to read you an excerpt from Toxic Empathy here.

00:31:35.920 Here are the people on the other side of this issue who the media don't talk about, who also should pull on our heartstrings.

00:31:44.660 Help me, Daddy.

00:31:46.500 This was Kate Steinle's last plea before she died on July 1, 2015.

00:31:51.300 Moments earlier, 32-year-old Kate, her dad, and a friend had been strolling down Pier 14 in San Francisco.

00:31:57.000 Out of nowhere, a stranger shot a gun.

00:31:59.900 The bullet hit Kate in the back, piercing her heart.

00:32:02.620 Her dad desperately performed CPR as Kate screamed in pain before losing consciousness.

00:32:07.300 He held Kate's limp body, begging her to hang on.

00:32:10.640 She died in the hospital two hours later.

00:32:13.480 Authorities quickly arrested the killer and booked him into San Francisco County Jail on suspicion of murder.

00:32:18.440 But two years later, despite ample evidence and eyewitness testimony, Kate's killer was acquitted of all murder and involuntary manslaughter charges.

00:32:26.300 His name was Juan Lopez-Sanchez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico.

00:32:31.540 Despite having been deported five times and having seven prior felony convictions, Lopez-Sanchez was living safely in San Francisco, which had recently declared itself a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants.

00:32:43.360 Only a few months before Kate's murder, ICE issued a detainer for Lopez-Sanchez.

00:32:47.520 According to the Los Angeles Times, as the date neared for him to be released into ICE custody, prison officials in Victorville shipped him north to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department on an outstanding drug-related warrant despite an immigration detainer.

00:33:01.500 The San Francisco District Attorney's Office declined to prosecute what authorities said was a decade-old marijuana possession case, and Sanchez was released April 15.

00:33:10.700 After Lopez-Sanchez arrived in San Francisco, ICE issued another detainer request.

00:33:17.280 They asked that they be notified before his release from jail so they could take him into custody.

00:33:22.860 The request was ignored.

00:33:24.460 Sanctuary cities earned their name because they don't work with federal authorities to detain and then eventually deport illegal aliens who have committed additional crimes.

00:33:40.860 And because of those sanctuary city policies, which Kamala Harris championed when she was the District Attorney of San Francisco, when she was the Attorney General of California, when Kate Steinle was murdered, a woman lost her life in the prime of her life.

00:33:59.580 And so when we hear about Maribel Diaz's story, our heartstrings are pulled, but our heartstrings should also be pulled when we hear about Kate Steinle or Molly Tibbetts or Lake and Riley.

00:34:12.480 So if we feel empathy for someone on one side, there are also people who get our empathy on the other side.

00:34:19.060 So the question is for Christians, what do we do with that?

00:34:21.780 If we can feel sadness and sorrow for people on both sides of the issue, what do we do?

00:34:30.300 That's why we cannot be led by empathy because we can have feelings for people on both sides.

00:34:35.920 The question is not how do we feel, but what is right and what is true and what is good because every policy has trade-offs.

00:34:44.880 But at the end of the day, we have to look at what is factually true, what is biblically true.

00:34:50.400 What is factually, morally and biblically true is that countries are good and borders are good and immigration laws are right.

00:35:00.360 And every country has the right and responsibility to take care of its own citizens first.

00:35:05.220 It is a righteous, wise, discerning, and even loving and compassionate government that puts its needs and the welfare of its people first.

00:35:18.360 Because countries are like families.

00:35:21.840 And just because you love your family most and you take care of your children's need first does not mean that you hate your neighbors.

00:35:30.580 It doesn't mean that you never invite your neighbors in, but you do have a right to say who comes into your house.

00:35:39.220 Why? Because you love your kids.

00:35:42.100 God created borders.

00:35:44.040 Everywhere we see walls depicted metaphorically or literally in the Bible, they are seen as good.

00:35:49.920 They are seen as depictions of order and protection and safety and security and stability.

00:35:56.820 Remember, Satan is the author of chaos.

00:35:59.100 God is a God of order.

00:36:01.200 From the very beginning, we see he has a way of doing things, a process of doing things.

00:36:06.220 God put us not in a jungle, but in a garden and told us to work and to keep it.

00:36:13.180 Order is good for human beings.

00:36:15.280 Borderlessness is disorder. 0.87

00:36:17.560 Sexual degeneracy, immorality, gender confusion, abortion, all of these things that the Democrat Party unapologetically 0.89

00:36:24.620 champions, they're not only immoral, they are disordered. 0.98

00:36:31.660 They are deceitful. 0.95

00:36:32.980 They are against Genesis 1.

00:36:35.640 From the very beginning, we see the answers to these questions.

00:36:38.420 That's why I wrote the book Toxic Empathy, because it is so short-sighted to use our immediate feelings of empathy,

00:36:46.060 which are not necessarily bad, to make these big policy decisions that have so much of an impact on so many.

00:36:56.620 So many Christians have been duped via toxic empathy into believing that putting your country first is evil or wrong or against the kingdom of God,

00:37:05.480 and that is not true.

00:37:07.260 Your country is like a family, and God gave it to you for your good.

00:37:12.580 Just as in Jeremiah 29, the exiles in Babylon were told to seek the welfare of the city that God had placed them in,

00:37:21.560 for in its welfare was their welfare.

00:37:24.600 So we, as exiles in this life, are called to seek the welfare of the communities that we have been placed in.

00:37:31.760 You do not have the capacity nor the responsibility to feel equal empathy for everyone at all times.

00:37:38.700 You're not God, and God, I wouldn't even argue, is feeling empathy for all people at all times, because God is love.

00:37:49.040 We don't read that God is empathy.

00:37:50.520 Empathy and love aren't the same things.

00:37:53.580 Love rejoices with the truth, as we read in 1 Corinthians 13, 6,

00:37:58.380 and that is the driving force behind toxic empathy.

00:38:01.220 And I just really encourage you to get it.

00:38:03.460 It's out October 15th.

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00:38:05.700 That helps me out a lot, and it will give you these stories, these tools, these facts

00:38:12.420 to be able to be armed with all the information you need when you are voting

00:38:17.700 and when you are trying to encourage your friends to vote, too.

00:38:21.880 I love this quote by C.S. Lewis in my chapter that I included.

00:38:28.880 Love for one's country means chiefly love for people who have a good deal in common with oneself.

00:38:34.500 And he talks about, in his book, The Four Loves, how love of country is a natural love that is good

00:38:41.340 because it leads to higher loves, like love of God.

00:38:45.860 And God has placed this natural love and affinity for our own country in our hearts,

00:38:50.420 and we can cultivate it in really healthy ways.

00:38:53.100 One of the ways that we can do that is to secure our border and to put the needs of our nation and its citizens first.

00:39:01.480 Tim Miller, he is the host of the Bulwark podcast and MSNBC analyst.

00:39:08.600 He said that this is the grossest line of the night so far by J.D. Vance.

00:39:13.980 He said, the people I care most about in Springfield are the American citizens.

00:39:18.200 He said that is the grossest line of the night so far.

00:39:20.600 Why? Explain that to me in detail.

00:39:26.660 I guess talk slowly because I don't understand that at first glance.

00:39:32.060 Why is that gross?

00:39:34.120 How is that not the responsibility of the American government?

00:39:39.300 Are you telling me?

00:39:40.760 Do you apply that same moral standard to every country?

00:39:43.620 Should the government in Norway care as much about me as a citizen of Norway?

00:39:49.580 Should the government of Zambia care as much about you and your rights

00:39:55.040 and what you need, person living in Kentucky, as they care about their own citizens?

00:40:00.760 Is that their responsibility too?

00:40:02.980 Are they bigoted and awful if they don't allow you to enter their country,

00:40:07.340 to enter Kenya or Indonesia, illegally set up camp there, change the culture, 0.53

00:40:14.440 live on the taxpayer dime, commit crimes without being deported?

00:40:19.480 Is that their moral right and responsibility to do?

00:40:22.480 You would say no, right?

00:40:24.240 Of course, because you have been absolutely brainwashed by leftist ideology

00:40:28.340 and critical race theory and intersectionality into believing

00:40:31.520 that it's only American white people who are morally obligated

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00:40:42.420 And that's a stupid lie. 1.00

00:40:44.940 It's dumb. 1.00

00:40:46.020 And Christians aren't called to be dumb. 1.00

00:40:47.560 We're called to have wisdom. 0.98

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00:42:05.020 Okay.

00:42:05.620 Before we get to abortion, I just, I have to do this.

00:42:08.500 So, oh my goodness.

00:42:10.840 So Tim Walz lied and said that he was there in China

00:42:15.420 when the Tiananmen Square protests happened in 1989.

00:42:23.140 And to the moderator's credit, they actually called him on this and said,

00:42:27.240 you know, you said you were there, but you weren't there.

00:42:30.280 So how do you explain that discrepancy?

00:42:32.400 Here's what he sets up for.

00:42:34.060 Governor, just to follow up on that,

00:42:36.320 the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

00:42:39.980 No, just, all I said on this was,

00:42:41.060 is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

00:42:43.460 So I will just, that's what I've said.

00:42:47.380 So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in.

00:42:53.660 And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.

00:42:59.380 Also, he had said previously that he was a knucklehead. 0.88

00:43:03.220 He said, I'm just a knucklehead. 0.70

00:43:04.920 And that's why I just forgot, which I actually think was kind of brilliant in the moment.

00:43:11.240 Now, they could extract that, the Trump campaign, and use that as an ad.

00:43:16.500 But in the moment, it kind of made him probably relatable to some people.

00:43:22.420 But that's not really who you want second in line to the presidency, 0.73

00:43:25.960 someone who was a knucklehead.

00:43:27.920 Like, who wants Phil Dunphy running the country?

00:43:31.040 Like, I understand that that character is likable.

00:43:34.580 It's who sitcoms have been, you know, that's what sitcoms have been telling us masculinity is for decades now. 0.91

00:43:41.380 This silly, fumbling man who can't ever get it together is kind of wimpy and feminine, 1.00

00:43:48.340 married to the feminist boss lady who really runs the show both in and outside of the home. 1.00

00:43:54.540 And that's what they're trying to sell us in Tim Walz, too.

00:43:58.660 Okay, that might be funny to watch on a TV show.

00:44:01.660 That's not funny when they've got the nuclear codes.

00:44:04.380 So, little knucklehead Tim Walz.

00:44:06.840 I loved that pregnant pause there when they just kind of let him bask in the awkwardness.

00:44:12.480 And they tried to continue to let him respond.

00:44:16.180 And he didn't have anything to say.

00:44:18.560 Oh, my goodness.

00:44:19.620 Well, it is a day ending in why, and so was yesterday when the debate happened.

00:44:25.860 And so that means we've got Democrats lying about abortion.

00:44:28.720 That's all they do.

00:44:30.120 That's all they can do on a lot of subjects, if not every subject, but especially on abortion.

00:44:36.880 Democrats lie. 0.68

00:44:38.000 They lie, lie, lie.

00:44:39.000 Because at the end of the day, they can cite all the polls saying Americans are pro-choice.

00:44:43.000 But they know when Americans are actually told about what an abortion is, what it does, that it's not palatable to them.

00:44:51.420 Like, saying that abortion poisons and dismembers babies is just bad PR.

00:44:57.100 That's why they use all the euphemisms.

00:44:58.800 That's why they use bodily autonomy. 0.97

00:45:00.520 That's why they use things like reproductive rights. 1.00

00:45:02.340 That's why they always pivot to miscarriages when they're talking about abortion law.

00:45:09.060 And J.D. Vance tried to pin him on the fact that he supports abortion through all nine months.

00:45:14.440 And he pivoted to misinformation, disinformation on tragic stories of women dying because of their abortions.

00:45:23.100 He talked about Amanda Zorosky.

00:45:24.860 He talked about Amber Thurman.

00:45:26.540 We have fact-checked these stories.

00:45:28.060 Amber Thurman, we talked about that story with an OB-GYN last week, and we can link that.

00:45:33.400 And Tim Walls basically tried to say that women aren't able to get miscarriage care,

00:45:37.860 and they will continue to not be able to get miscarriage care under Donald Trump's presidency.

00:45:42.200 There is no pro-life law, no pro-life law that restricts miscarriage care anywhere.

00:45:47.580 And when someone brings that up to you, when someone brings up these stories,

00:45:51.960 you make them cite the law in the state where this incident happened and the line in the law

00:46:00.840 that restricts or prohibits miscarriage care in any way or treating ectopic pregnancies,

00:46:07.200 you make them cite it.

00:46:10.060 Because remember, doctors have always had to navigate different abortion restrictions.

00:46:14.400 And the idea that now they don't know how to is absurd.

00:46:21.220 As Dr. Christina Francis said on our show last week, Amber Thurman, she took an abortion pill 0.99

00:46:29.500 via telehealth to kill her twins. 1.00

00:46:33.360 And when that didn't work and parts of the baby's bodies were left inside her and she clearly 0.96

00:46:39.500 had an infection, she went to the emergency room in Georgia,

00:46:42.820 and they refused to treat her for signs of infection.

00:46:45.960 She should have gotten antibiotics and a DNC right away.

00:46:48.680 A DNC in the case of either a miscarriage or a failed abortion is not illegal or restricted

00:46:56.280 in any way in the state of Georgia.

00:46:58.280 You can go look at the law yourself.

00:47:00.740 And even if she had been actively, you know, taking those pills right there,

00:47:08.080 or even if she had wanted an abortion, even if the babies had still been alive at this 0.89

00:47:14.020 moment, she actually would have still been able to get a DNC because Georgia law allows 0.99

00:47:19.160 for abortion to save the life of the mother or even to protect a woman from serious bodily

00:47:25.720 harm.

00:47:26.880 And so it would have been legal even if the babies had been alive inside her at that point

00:47:31.240 for her to get an abortion. 1.00

00:47:32.300 But the babies had died.

00:47:33.720 She just had remnants of those babies inside of her. 0.66

00:47:35.960 She definitely legally could have gotten a DNC in Georgia, just like you can't absolutely 1.00

00:47:40.040 everywhere in the United States, no matter what state you live in.

00:47:43.660 And yet she wasn't.

00:47:44.700 It was medical malpractice.

00:47:46.320 It was hopefully not, but perhaps malice for political reasons.

00:47:50.760 But it was not because of any pro-life law.

00:47:53.200 The same is true of Amanda Zorosky in Texas.

00:47:57.340 He repeated the lie that Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies, track women's

00:48:02.840 cycles.

00:48:03.220 That is an absolute lie.

00:48:06.080 And then remember how evil this is, that when it comes to abortion, this is what both

00:48:12.240 Kamala Harris and Tim Walls are most animated about.

00:48:15.620 It's what they get the most flustered about, the most excited about.

00:48:19.240 It's actually, I shouldn't say flustered because it's when they zero in.

00:48:22.800 It's when they focus.

00:48:23.900 It's when they're the most articulate is when they are talking about the fundamental right 0.96

00:48:29.340 to kill an unborn child.

00:48:31.120 Here's top five. 1.00

00:48:31.740 For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I

00:48:36.300 have a child.

00:48:37.520 That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.

00:48:41.660 And the catch all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might

00:48:46.860 not be right for Washington.

00:48:48.620 That's not how this works.

00:48:50.240 This is basic human right.

00:48:51.460 A basic human right to be able to slaughter your child.

00:48:55.640 No, it's a basic human right to be able to live.

00:48:59.260 That's the most fundamental basic human right is the right not to be murdered.

00:49:03.160 Without the right to life, neither the right to liberty nor the right to happiness exist,

00:49:07.800 which is guaranteed to us in the Declaration of Independence.

00:49:10.700 The listing of those things, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not

00:49:14.980 arbitrary.

00:49:15.700 It is extremely purposeful because without life, neither liberty nor happiness can exist.

00:49:22.180 And so once again, this is disorder asking a child, a baby to sacrifice on behalf of the

00:49:29.300 wants of adults.

00:49:31.440 Abortion is wrong. 0.62

00:49:35.000 It kills a child.

00:49:36.400 It is violent.

00:49:37.140 It is barbaric.

00:49:38.220 There's not a need for abortion. 0.99

00:49:41.040 If a woman is suffering, if her health is truly in danger, then the option is delivery.

00:49:48.380 And you do the best that you possibly can to save them both.

00:49:51.780 There is no reason to intentionally dismember or poison a baby before removing that baby from

00:49:56.620 a mother's womb.

00:49:57.280 You don't have to be a doctor to understand that logic.

00:49:59.620 And of course, both Walls and Kamala support babies who survive abortion being abandoned

00:50:06.880 and left to die. 0.85

00:50:09.860 And Vance pointed this out.

00:50:11.480 He said, as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute says that a

00:50:15.460 doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation

00:50:19.900 to provide life-saving care to a baby that survives a botched late-term abortion.

00:50:24.760 And J.D. Vance is absolutely right about that.

00:50:27.760 Under Governor Tim Walls, at least eight babies have been born alive during botched abortions

00:50:32.900 between 2019 to 2020, 2021.

00:50:37.620 And that was, it was required reporting to report these babies who were born alive after

00:50:42.980 botched abortions. 0.99

00:50:43.960 Those eight precious image bearers of God.

00:50:45.900 And yet it is not required anymore to report those babies born alive because in 2023, he

00:50:55.640 signed a law, Walls signed a law saying that reporting is no longer necessary.

00:50:59.820 He also signed an omnibus bill known as SF-2995, which repealed previous laws ensuring a baby

00:51:06.000 born alive after an abortion will receive medical care and laws requiring that these births after 0.66

00:51:11.560 an attempted abortion would be reported.

00:51:14.220 Uh, he also signed the Protect Reproductive Options Act or HF1 in 2023, which enacted a fundamental

00:51:22.640 right to abortion with no limitations at any stage of pregnancy.

00:51:28.360 There you go.

00:51:31.080 There's that empathetic ticket.

00:51:34.160 What did, uh, LaTosha Morrison say, uh, on the Evangelicals for Harris call?

00:51:40.960 That Kamala Harris represents meekness, that she represents the Beatitudes, that she is most

00:51:48.200 Christ-like.

00:51:49.720 Both of them support abortion through all nine months unapologetically, and she voted against

00:51:57.840 the Born Alive Infant Survivors Protection Act in 2019, which guaranteed a right to health

00:52:03.520 care for the babies who survive abortions, babies outside the womb.

00:52:07.080 We're talking a pro-infanticide ticket.

00:52:08.920 We're talking a pro-pagan Roman Empire, basically exposure of children that happened back 2,000

00:52:20.240 years ago.

00:52:20.940 We're talking about people who support that.

00:52:24.420 And if you support them supporting that, then you are no better than the pagans in ancient

00:52:29.200 Rome.

00:52:30.040 And what happened then?

00:52:31.220 Christians came into pagan ancient Rome and disrupted all of that. 1.00

00:52:35.460 So do you want to be on the side of evil pagans or not?

00:52:39.380 That's the choice.

00:52:40.440 That's the choice that you've got.

00:52:42.100 All right.

00:52:42.520 That's all we have time for when it comes to breaking down this debate.

00:52:45.380 I do want to give you, um, just, uh, an explanation from Josh Hammer on what exactly is happening

00:52:52.240 with Iran and Israel.

00:52:53.860 You will hear him refer in the beginning of our conversation to the, uh, the Shah, and he's

00:53:01.420 referencing the 1979, uh, Islamic Iranian, uh, revolution.

00:53:08.260 It was a series of events that concluded in the overthrowing of, uh, the Pahlavi dynasty

00:53:16.360 in 1979 that was under Jimmy Carter.

00:53:19.180 And so that's what he's talking about in the beginning here, but he's just got so much

00:53:23.000 knowledge and so much information on that.

00:53:24.900 And he explained so well how we, as people who are America first, how we should see this

00:53:30.580 and why we should still care about it and how it affects us.

00:53:33.720 So without further ado, here is Josh Hammer.

00:53:40.200 Josh, thanks so much for joining us.

00:53:42.520 All right.

00:53:42.900 Tell us what is going on with Iran and Israel right now.

00:53:47.960 Ali, where to begin?

00:53:49.340 Um, I mean, it depends how far back we want to go.

00:53:52.300 I mean, we really, we, we quite literally could go back to the overthrow of the Shah and

00:53:57.540 the forcible takeover of this radical Islamist theocracy all the way back in 1979.

00:54:03.240 You know, as, as I saw someone on Twitter post the other day, you know, Jimmy Carter just

00:54:07.180 turned 100 years old.

00:54:08.580 I mean, we literally could see the return of the Shah potentially in his, in his lifetime 0.98

00:54:12.820 that happened while he was president.

00:54:14.080 So, I mean, we, we could actually start there if we want to.

00:54:17.460 I mean, back when the Islamic regime took over in 79, they, they had been in a state of, 0.75

00:54:22.140 of, of war with the West since then.

00:54:24.800 I mean, we have not had diplomatic relations, the United States, Israel, or, or, or, or many

00:54:29.820 Western style countries for that matter for the past 45 years.

00:54:33.000 But, you know, this thing really starts to, to, to escalate to the extent that it was not

00:54:37.840 already escalated, I guess, on October 7th.

00:54:39.700 So, so the correct view of, of the Hamas massacre on October 7th, which we are getting

00:54:44.800 ready.

00:54:45.140 It's hard to believe it's been a year already, but we're getting ready for the one year

00:54:47.620 anniversary, I suppose, this coming Monday.

00:54:50.000 The correct view is not as an isolated attack by Hamas.

00:54:54.580 Hamas is simply the Palestinian Arab offshoot of the broader Muslim Brotherhood, which is

00:54:58.780 a radical Sunni Islamist outfit founded in Egypt a very long time ago.

00:55:02.140 The correct view of October 7th is that this was one tip of the broader Iranian regime's

00:55:08.600 ring of fire sphere, trying to pinch Israel on all sides, ultimately trying to take away 0.97

00:55:14.380 land, take away their morale, ultimately trying to, to, to destroy them as the tip of the spear 0.71

00:55:19.160 of Western civilization that they are and that they have been since the modern state was founded

00:55:22.620 in 1948.

00:55:23.400 So, Iran indirect, well, they directly fund Hamas, but Hamas also gets other patrons.

00:55:29.100 But, but Iran also has many other proxies in the region that they fund directly and fairly

00:55:33.860 exclusively.

00:55:34.360 So, Hezbollah, which is probably the crown jewel of the Iranian terrorist proxy network, has 0.86

00:55:39.780 been in power in Lebanon to one extent or another for, for many decades.

00:55:44.300 Hezbollah was the jihadist outfit that was responsible for the bombings of the U.S. embassy in Beirut back

00:55:49.560 in 1983 in the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983, that same year, 241 U.S.

00:55:55.140 Marines tragically slaughtered that day there.

00:55:57.620 And Hassan Nasrallah, who was really the, the head of Hezbollah for the past 32 years, he

00:56:02.960 was hand installed by the current Ayatollah Khamenei all the way back in 1992.

00:56:07.360 He was the Ayatollah's point man in Lebanon.

00:56:11.020 Israel took him out.

00:56:11.820 Now, apparently Israel wanted to go for Hezbollah shortly after October 7th.

00:56:15.420 Apparently, we recently learned the Bayan Harris administration said, no, you can't do

00:56:18.660 that.

00:56:18.920 So Israel finally did the world a favor and got rid of this horrific terrorist.

00:56:23.060 They've gotten rid of some other high ranking Hezbollah militants as well.

00:56:26.380 Fuad Shakur, Ibrahim Akhil, other terrorists involved back in the 1983 bombings.

00:56:31.140 Those two individuals I just named had a five and seven million dollar FBI bounty on their

00:56:35.640 head.

00:56:36.160 Israel has now, has now done it for us, essentially. 0.92

00:56:39.260 They've taken these guys out that have American blood on their hands.

00:56:43.020 But Hezbollah is, has long been viewed as the Iranian regime's insurance policy.

00:56:48.440 So to speak, because they have a very sophisticated arsenal.

00:56:51.480 Hamas is more of kind of a ragtag group of jihadists, which makes the fact that October

00:56:55.000 7th all the more inexplicable, frankly.

00:56:57.300 But Hezbollah, by contrast, has between 100 and 150,000 missiles, rockets and drones in

00:57:02.400 their arsenal.

00:57:03.100 Most of them are precision guided missiles.

00:57:05.080 This is a formidable terrorist organization, a highly formidable terrorist organization.

00:57:09.380 And Iran has viewed them as insurance insofar as the fact that these missiles are pointed

00:57:14.040 at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, the two main population centers in Israel, is viewed by Iran and most

00:57:19.560 geopolitical strategists as basically saying, OK, this is going to put Israel in place.

00:57:24.120 They're not actually going to start taking out Iranian nuclear sites.

00:57:26.660 But now that Nasrallah is out, now that Hezbollah is crippled, the likes of which they have never 1.00

00:57:30.940 been in their organizational history, going back at least as far as that as that wild pager

00:57:36.120 walkie talkie explosion that happened a few weeks ago.

00:57:38.620 5,000 Hezbollah militants lose their legs, they're out of commission there.

00:57:44.100 You know, now the window is open and Iran is finally trying to retaliate. 0.71

00:57:48.860 They did a similar thing back in April where they launched a similar missile drone and rocket

00:57:54.060 barrage from Iran.

00:57:55.740 This time it was actually even bigger, 181 ballistic missiles, so substantially bigger than

00:58:00.340 it was in April.

00:58:01.560 Thank God Israel working closely with the United States and some other allies able to intercept 0.84

00:58:05.940 each and every one of these missiles.

00:58:07.700 I don't think that there was a single civilian casualty.

00:58:10.460 There actually was one Arab who tragically died in the Palestinian town of Jericho, but

00:58:15.720 there were no actual Israelis within Israel, so to speak, who actually died there.

00:58:18.920 That's nothing less than a miracle.

00:58:21.000 But things are heating up really, really, really quickly now.

00:58:24.420 But I guess just in closing here, Ali, the way to think about what's going on, again, is

00:58:29.460 not Hamas in isolation or Hezbollah in isolation or the Houthis in Yemen, which are Iran-funded

00:58:34.520 rebels in isolation there.

00:58:35.840 It's all coming from Iran. 1.00

00:58:38.120 Iran is the head of the snake in the region, and the Iranian threat is what brought us the 1.00

00:58:43.500 Abraham Accords peace agreement under Donald Trump, where you have these Arab countries

00:58:46.960 like the United Arab Emirates in Bahrain and Morocco that see the Iranian threat for what

00:58:51.280 it is.

00:58:51.700 Therefore, they want to come to terms and get peace with Israel as its protective shield. 0.83

00:58:55.500 Virtually all of the woes and the evils in that part of the world right now can ultimately

00:59:01.120 be traced to the Iranian regime.

00:59:03.160 And at this point, the ball is in Benjamin Netanyahu's court, I guess we shall say.

00:59:07.100 Yeah.

00:59:07.300 So a couple of weeks ago, you mentioned this briefly, the pager situation when the bombs

00:59:14.920 were placed in 5,000 pagers.

00:59:17.720 And that's what killed several members of Hezbollah, correct?

00:59:21.600 And I actually saw some people, of course, trying to strike some nuance or some subliminal

00:59:27.400 criticism of Israel after that happened, saying, oh, oh my goodness, just because they were

00:59:34.860 attacked doesn't justify them doing something so subversive like this.

00:59:39.420 Just imagine if something like that happened here.

00:59:42.240 But again, any time I see a criticism of anything that Israel has done over the past year, I 0.92

00:59:49.320 think, but isn't that the natural consequence of flying into a music festival and raping and 0.92

00:59:57.180 slaughtering hundreds of innocent people?

01:00:00.600 And I get very confused when people seem to forget what started all of this, as if Israel 0.96

01:00:06.640 is just randomly acting out and randomly trying to target civilians.

01:00:11.580 I'm like, do we forget that they actually paraglided into a music festival and brutally raped and

01:00:19.340 murdered and kidnapped a bunch of people?

01:00:21.880 Maybe they shouldn't have done that if they didn't want their countries, their regimes to

01:00:28.380 be threatened.

01:00:29.540 So I just continue to be completely confounded by many of the commentators here who just,

01:00:36.060 I don't know, don't seem to understand the moral calculation that's going into these

01:00:41.120 moves.

01:00:42.340 Yeah, there's a few moving parts here.

01:00:44.040 So I guess let's try to unpack it one at a time.

01:00:46.400 So sticking to Hamas and Gaza just for a second here, you do have a lot of people that are

01:00:52.940 outraged over the situation.

01:00:54.860 And I'm upset myself.

01:00:56.560 I mean, no one likes seeing an entire territory of land that is home to between one and a half

01:01:02.620 and two million people utterly decimated.

01:01:04.960 I mean, this is not a joyous thing.

01:01:06.620 No one is happy about this.

01:01:08.880 But we do have to talk about kind of the mechanics of urban warfare to an extent.

01:01:13.580 And I mean, to the extent that we even care about rational analysis, we're not just having

01:01:17.100 kind of an emotional, you know, highly kind of hormonally induced, you might say, kind

01:01:22.960 of just paroxysm of rage.

01:01:24.400 I mean, if we're going to have a sober, rational debate, it's important to look at numbers.

01:01:27.620 So for instance, John Spencer, who's the head of urban warfare studies at West Point, you

01:01:31.820 know, he's crunched the numbers.

01:01:33.400 He's studied this at great length.

01:01:35.020 We published many op-eds of his actually on Newsweek, where I work.

01:01:37.820 And John Spencer has concluded that the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza over

01:01:44.680 the course of this war is roughly 1 to 1.5, which he says is by far, by far the most humanitarian

01:01:53.020 ratio he has ever calculated ever in the entire history of modern warfare.

01:01:57.340 This is a man who was actually on the ground in Mosul, Iraq in 2016 during the ISIS counterinsurgency.

01:02:03.120 The U.S. military's ratio back then was about 1 to 2.5.

01:02:06.080 So the IDF in Gaza has done an even better job than that.

01:02:09.340 Again, I mean, if you care about numbers, the numbers just simply don't lie.

01:02:13.660 And, you know, speaking of Hezbollah as well, because again, these strands just totally relate

01:02:17.400 to one another.

01:02:17.920 You know, Hezbollah up in Lebanon, they started raining down rockets and missiles on Israel 1.00

01:02:21.880 the day after October 7th, on October 8th.

01:02:24.660 In fact, there were a lot of people in the military brass, the security brass over there,

01:02:30.080 who actually said that they want to respond to October 7th, not necessarily by first going

01:02:35.420 into Gaza, but by taking care of Hezbollah.

01:02:38.360 So to back up a little bit here, what happened was the second Lebanon war ended with something

01:02:44.320 of a stalemate in 2006.

01:02:45.920 It was considered a strategic failure by the Israeli troops.

01:02:49.940 They really did not accomplish a lot of their missions.

01:02:51.560 But the UN put into place, I think it's UN Security Resolution 1701, where they said that international

01:02:57.920 peacekeeping forces, and Ali, you and I both know that that's total nonsense, but they said

01:03:01.620 that they must ensure that Hezbollah does not go south of the Latani River, which is basically

01:03:06.520 20 miles north of the Israeli-Lebanese border.

01:03:09.000 Obviously, that's been flagrantly ignored.

01:03:10.800 And Hezbollah has had now 150,000 missiles, rockets, and drones right there on the border, staring

01:03:17.020 from the high terrain, from the mountaintops, looking into the valley of the Israeli population

01:03:21.280 center.

01:03:21.660 So Israel cannot deal with this.

01:03:23.300 So the conflict in Lebanon in particular has been a long, long time brewing right now.

01:03:28.280 And specifically, because they started raining down some of these rockets the day after October

01:03:32.740 7th, you've had a situation where between 60,000 and 80,000 Israelis in the north of Israel,

01:03:37.560 everywhere from Haifa on the coast all the way over to the Golan Heights, a little bit further

01:03:41.460 east near Syria, they've been evacuated from their homes.

01:03:44.440 I mean, they have not been there for a year.

01:03:47.460 I mean, no one talks about this, frankly.

01:03:49.460 But I was over in Israel back in January, and speaking with Israelis there, this absolutely

01:03:54.960 is a weight on the conscience.

01:03:56.380 I mean, let's think about the fact if the Mexican drug cartels just started dropping

01:03:59.700 thousands and thousands of rockets into El Paso or San Antonio or here in Florida, maybe

01:04:04.960 Havana, the Cuban regime starts firing directly at Miami.

01:04:08.360 I mean, what would we do?

01:04:09.860 I mean, you obviously do not just sit there and take it.

01:04:12.560 This is a sovereign country, and you can't just cede territory to an evil enemy regime

01:04:17.480 or an outright terrorist outfit.

01:04:19.300 So, I mean, it's going to be a slog.

01:04:22.400 But ultimately, I hate to say it, but ultimately, none of this is probably going to fully go away

01:04:28.400 unless and until the head of the snake in Tehran is ultimately neutralized.

01:04:33.240 And I suspect that's probably where this conversation is ultimately going.

01:04:37.220 I know people in Israel are probably having that conversation right now, but it's complicated

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01:05:44.020 Where has the Biden administration got it wrong over the past few years that has perhaps

01:05:50.640 precipitated what we're seeing now from Iran?

01:05:54.860 Well, they basically just reversed the Trump administration's foreign policy when it came

01:05:59.040 to the Middle East.

01:05:59.780 So, you essentially had a broadly bipartisan consensus when it came to U.S. policy vis-a-vis

01:06:07.360 the Middle East for a good period of time.

01:06:09.760 And the bipartisan consensus was typically wrong with the Palestinian question, but it was typically

01:06:15.040 correct when it came to U.S. geostrategic interest in the region.

01:06:18.400 What I mean by that is that Republican and Democratic administrations for a long time recognized that

01:06:23.140 the American value there was with Israel and then with the Sunni Arab states.

01:06:28.880 So, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and so forth.

01:06:32.800 The Obama administration comes in, and for reasons that are still not entirely clear to me, to be honest

01:06:38.680 with you, Allie, just decides to totally flip the script on that and to create deliberate distance,

01:06:44.360 to create daylight, as the infamous Obama administration put it, to deliberately create

01:06:48.920 daylight between the U.S. and its traditional allies in the region, Israel, Saudi Arabia,

01:06:53.040 Egypt, and so forth.

01:06:53.780 And then to mollycoddle to cozy up with the regional arch foes, namely the Iranian regime and the Muslim 1.00

01:07:00.080 Brotherhood, which is best represented by the tiny but very wealthy Emirates of Qatar.

01:07:04.160 And that's how he got the Iran nuclear deal.

01:07:06.520 They basically tried to legitimize Iran as a great power on the national stage.

01:07:10.440 Again, it's unclear to me why they did this.

01:07:13.100 I have literally spoken with people who were born in Tehran, who have fled here.

01:07:16.260 They tell me about how, since they were in kindergarten, you know, their equivalent in Iran,

01:07:21.800 their equivalent of saying the Pledge of Allegiance, like we say here in the United States, 0.72

01:07:24.740 is to literally pledge that they will do everything they can to destroy the little Satan of Israel 1.00

01:07:30.180 and the big Satan of America. 0.95

01:07:31.640 They actually say that in school every single day.

01:07:33.860 I'm not even kidding.

01:07:34.920 So it's not entirely clear to me why the Obama administration wanted to do this.

01:07:38.140 But Trump administration, to their great credit, they reversed it.

01:07:41.560 And that's how you got Mike Pompeo, a secretary of state.

01:07:43.860 They refer to it as the maximum pressure campaign.

01:07:46.200 They put tremendous sanctions on the Iranian regime.

01:07:50.380 They really put the pain to their oil exports.

01:07:52.980 That's where the wealth is in that particular country there.

01:07:55.600 And more generally, the Trump administration really warmed up to Israel.

01:07:59.200 It restored relations with Saudi Arabia, which the Obama administration had downplayed.

01:08:03.500 Trump's first foreign trip was actually to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, to visit the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

01:08:08.520 That's how you got the fruits of peace in the Abraham Accords a few years later in 2020, 0.75

01:08:12.500 this Iran containment alliance in the Middle East there.

01:08:15.240 Then Biden comes in and essentially tears all that up and goes right back to the Obama policy.

01:08:20.280 So he's less into the sanctions on the Iranian regime.

01:08:23.900 I mean, he paid them $6 billion, Ali, for five U.S. hostages there, $1.2 billion a hostage in ransom.

01:08:31.120 I mean, look, I care as much as anyone about returning U.S. hostages home that are illegitimately held by terrorist regimes overseas.

01:08:38.140 But, I mean, that is a payoff.

01:08:40.680 That is a payoff to a horrific, horrific outlet.

01:08:44.720 And more generally speaking, we have kept the money flowing through all sorts of international intermediaries there.

01:08:49.840 We have tried to legitimize yet again Iran on the world stage.

01:08:53.420 And it's actually even worse than this.

01:08:55.520 You know, there was a fascinating article, I think it was Semaphore, that published it.

01:08:59.800 It was just a few weeks before the October 7th massacre.

01:09:02.720 It was last September, and they were talking about an Iranian regime influence operation happening right here in the United States.

01:09:11.080 The exact name escapes me, but this was coming directly from Tehran.

01:09:15.180 They were trying to make inroads in U.S. universities, U.S. think tanks, and in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C. itself.

01:09:21.900 At the time, there was a U.S. State Department staffer who was named by this.

01:09:26.140 The State Department did a very lousy job of looking into this.

01:09:29.420 You had Republican senators like Josh Hawley, if I recall, who were apoplectic about it.

01:09:33.300 What is this Iranian agent doing in the State Department?

01:09:35.940 And probably the most infamous example of someone who was essentially outed as a quasi-Iranian agent is actually Robert Malley himself.

01:09:44.180 Robert Malley was both the Obama administration and now the Biden administration's special envoy to Iran.

01:09:50.120 Turns out, I'm not sure if he's literally on the payroll of the Iranian regime, but he is in close contact with them.

01:09:57.000 And we might even go so far as to say that he is taking orders.

01:10:00.080 So, I mean, there is an outright subversive element to this as well, which is something that a lot of people don't talk about either there.

01:10:07.940 But the Biden administration has done everything possible, just like the Obama administration before, to warm up to the Iranian regime,

01:10:14.380 to isolate America's traditional allies in the region, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and so forth there.

01:10:18.940 And the very predictable result is that the Middle East is on fire, much the way it was the last time under Barack Obama.

01:10:25.960 The first question of the debate last night was about this.

01:10:29.320 Tim Walls answered first.

01:10:30.960 And he said what I think a lot of us would want to hear when it comes to Israel's right to defend itself and calling Hamas terrorists.

01:10:41.160 That's not typically what we hear from the progressive side.

01:10:44.180 Is that just rhetoric when you're thinking about a potential Harris-Walls presidency?

01:10:51.240 Do you think that they are truly on the side of Israel as both Harris and Walls have said they are?

01:10:57.540 No, of course not.

01:10:58.880 I mean, look, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, I mean, they're trying to have it both ways when it comes to this particular issue.

01:11:06.200 I mean, you know, to this day, there are a lot of wealthy Jewish donors who give to the Democratic Party.

01:11:12.540 Trust me, I pray more than anyone else that those days come to a rapid end because it is catastrophic.

01:11:18.380 There is really no racial or ethnic group in America who so clearly and consistently votes against their own self-interest, as do my fellow Jews.

01:11:27.300 So I pray for a political awakening when it comes to that.

01:11:29.420 But the fact is that there are a lot of wealthy Jewish donors in the Democratic Party, so they have to appease them. 0.93

01:11:35.900 On the other hand, they have this Hamas wing.

01:11:38.980 I mean, I don't know how else to say it.

01:11:39.800 They actually have this wild in the streets Hamas wing in places like Dearborn, Michigan, Hamtrak, Michigan. 0.91

01:11:46.500 I mean, just a few days ago, I was reading a social media post from a leading imam in Dearborn, Michigan, referring to Hassan Nasrallah, who has literal American blood on his hands.

01:11:54.100 The now eliminated Hezbollah chief referring to him as a martyr.

01:11:58.020 They were holding a memorial service for the great martyr Hassan Nasrallah.

01:12:01.660 I mean, this stuff is like increasingly out in the open right now.

01:12:04.160 But no, I mean, Ali, I obviously do not trust Kamala Harris and Tim Wallace.

01:12:08.080 It'll just be the exact same Barack Obama, Joe Biden, foreign policy all over again.

01:12:12.440 I remember Ilhan Omar a few years ago.

01:12:15.240 There was a video released of her doing some kind of interview where she was making fun of people who were scared of Hamas and Hezbollah.

01:12:21.640 She was kind of using this mocking voice like, oh, Hezbollah.

01:12:25.700 And of course, she is a representative from Tim Wallace's state.

01:12:30.400 And Tim Wallace has, you know, he's got a lot of these communities as well because of the large Somali refugee population there who are at the very least often sympathetic to these Islamic terroristic organizations and their goals to wipe out Israel and the United States, which is pretty troubling.

01:12:50.120 On the last point, for those who are thinking, because they're like you, you're an America first guy.

01:12:57.340 And when we were talking about Russia and Ukraine, it was like, how much should America really get involved?

01:13:03.440 How does this really affect us?

01:13:05.240 When you're looking at this Israel conflict and you're thinking, of course, you know, as a Jewish man, you love Israel, you love your friends, your community, your family, your history there.

01:13:16.460 But also, you're an America first person.

01:13:19.380 Tell us, like, how we balance those two things.

01:13:22.420 And in this kind of conflict, what do you think America's responsibility is?

01:13:26.080 I'm so happy you asked this question, Ali.

01:13:29.380 Actually, I was in Washington, D.C. in July speaking to a YAF conference, Young America's Foundation, talking about this exact topic.

01:13:36.780 I actually have, you know, shameless plug.

01:13:38.420 I have a whole chapter in my upcoming book, Israel and Civilization, The Faith of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West on this exact topic as well.

01:13:44.560 When does it come out?

01:13:46.640 March. March, God willing.

01:13:48.040 OK, good.

01:13:48.520 So we've got a few months.

01:13:49.420 Got it.

01:13:49.760 Yeah, so I have a whole chapter on this, which is a realist Jacksonian foreign policy, as I call it, and U.S.-Israel relations and all of that.

01:14:00.680 And the very short answer, and then I will unpack it a little bit, is that not only are these two things not in tension, they actually go together perfectly.

01:14:08.720 You know, it's funny.

01:14:10.220 A lot of people in their minds, you know, associate the neoconservative boondoggles of yesteryear with U.S. support for Israel.

01:14:17.680 I mean, there is this nefarious talking point.

01:14:20.440 I mean, you see it deep in the bowels of Gruyper Twitter and places like that, that, oh, you know, America's fighting Israel's wars.

01:14:26.460 You know, we're just taking orders from Tel Aviv.

01:14:29.520 You know, first of all, that's really just not accurate on its face.

01:14:33.340 So as part of the research for my book, I was going back to what Israeli national leaders, including the more hawkish elements of the Likud, their conservative party.

01:14:40.560 Looking back to what they were saying back in 2002 as the Bush administration was beating the war drums for the Iraq war.

01:14:47.320 Now, some people did support over there, say that you should go in and topple Saddam Hussein.

01:14:52.740 But at the time, Ariel Sharon, who was at that time still the leader of the Israeli rights, he was actually adamantly opposed to it.

01:14:59.880 He said to Colin Powell, he said to George W. Bush, don't do this.

01:15:03.840 This is the wrong target.

01:15:05.180 It's actually Iran that is a threat there. 1.00

01:15:07.220 You go in there.

01:15:07.980 You have no idea what's going to come next.

01:15:09.540 You're just going to topple someone for the sake of toppling someone.

01:15:12.300 And, you know, more generally, the Israeli mentality when it comes to jihadism and radical Islam, you know, it's not this moralistic nation building impulse.

01:15:21.920 I mean, it's very much kind of just a precision tactical strike and then get the heck out of their sort of impulse.

01:15:27.240 Very similar, frankly, to the Trump administration.

01:15:29.040 And the Trump administration was the America first foreign policy.

01:15:32.640 I mean, Michael Anton had a great essay for Foreign Policy magazine back in 2019, laying out the Trump doctrine.

01:15:39.480 Well, the Trump doctrine is, we might say, I guess in political theory, you might call it Jacksonian.

01:15:46.000 And Jacksonian kind of channeling the Andrew Jackson national populist political tradition, which is, you know, we're not seeking to get abroad overseas.

01:15:53.860 John Quincy Adams famously said America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.

01:15:58.380 But when you prick us, then we're going to hit back at you hard.

01:16:01.720 And we saw that in action with the Qasem Soleimani strike, for instance, at the Baghdad, Iraq airport in 2020.

01:16:07.360 But more generally, from an America first foreign policy perspective, what do I care about the most on the foreign stage as an American?

01:16:14.300 What concerns me the most?

01:16:15.520 The answer is very simple.

01:16:16.480 It's communist China.

01:16:17.440 Communist China is by far, without question, the number one civilizational threat to America this century. 0.96

01:16:24.320 And I support a broader strategic military redeployment of assets to the Indo-Pacific.

01:16:29.720 Here's the key point, Ali.

01:16:31.160 Look, America is always going to have some sort of vested interest in the Middle East for various reasons.

01:16:36.140 We're going to care about it for energy, for oil.

01:16:39.160 Yes, we're going to care about it for moral and religious reasons as well.

01:16:43.540 I mean, for as long as America, God willing, continues to be a strong Christian majority country,

01:16:47.280 there will always be people who care about the holy sites and the holy land.

01:16:50.820 So we're going to continue to care about this part of the world.

01:16:53.640 The question is, how can America better geostrategically redeploy for the Indo-Pacific to deal with China while making sure the Middle East does not burn on fire? 0.81

01:17:03.300 The answer is the Trump foreign policy and the Abraham Accords.

01:17:06.700 And what Trump did, working with Benjamin Netanyahu, is you embolden Israel. 0.52

01:17:12.220 You make it clear that the U.S. is not backing down from our ally there.

01:17:15.900 So Trump obviously moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

01:17:18.460 He recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

01:17:21.140 And I could go on and on.

01:17:22.240 And in so doing, when you see the great power warming up to Israel, you get these other Arab states that say, oh, wow, they're really—Israel's not going anywhere.

01:17:30.760 I mean, we're not going to destroy them.

01:17:32.540 We better make peace with them.

01:17:33.740 So as it comes to our big enemy, the Iranian regime, the Saudis realize that whether or not they formally join the Abraham Accords, 0.71

01:17:41.040 they probably, in my view, actually will join the Abraham Accords in a second Trump administration if we actually go ahead and get that there.

01:17:47.320 So by making it clear that America stands with Israel, you can actually then get these Arab states to join forces with them to allow this combined Sunni-Arab-Israeli coalition to better police their region so that America does not have to. 0.56

01:18:01.780 That's kind of the key point there.

01:18:03.260 So it's kind of all a very realist approach to the region there.

01:18:08.640 America does not need to fight anyone's wars for it.

01:18:12.500 This is a totally false talking point, by the way.

01:18:15.540 I mean, it's actually Israeli policy and has been since day one that they will never, ever ask a foreign soldier to die for their cause.

01:18:22.180 It goes against the entire point of Zionism, Jewish nationalism, whatever you want to call it. 0.72

01:18:25.960 I mean, the idea that they would ask non-Jews to fight for them, it literally is antithetical to the entire idea of Zionism, frankly.

01:18:35.180 So it's not going to happen.

01:18:37.080 But by continuing to make sure that America rhetorically and diplomatically stands with Israel, and ideally, ideally, Ali, and here's where I make some people on the pro-Israel side a little uncomfortable,

01:18:49.260 I actually think that America should wind down its massive annual aid to Israel as well.

01:18:54.420 So we get this massive $3 billion to $4 billion aid package there.

01:18:57.920 To me, it would be in both countries' interests if that agreement ultimately ends.

01:19:02.440 So from a U.S. taxpayer perspective, U.S. aid to Israel ends up being an implicit subsidy of the defense industrial complex.

01:19:08.820 It ends up really just funding north of Grumman and Boeing.

01:19:11.500 That's really what you're funding with that money there.

01:19:13.700 And from Israel's perspective, why would you want to make yourselves more dependent on an increasingly fickle and mercurial great power? 0.94

01:19:20.540 I mean, why would you want to put your munitions and your tanks and whatnot, why would you want to put that at the whims of people like Kamala Harris and Tim Walls?

01:19:29.740 Obviously, you don't want to do that.

01:19:30.940 So ideally, we would wind down these massive aid packages as well.

01:19:35.440 All these countries will become more self-sufficient.

01:19:38.640 But specifically right now, and I guess I'll end with this, when it comes to the Iranian threat, and we'll have to see what Netanyahu does,

01:19:45.340 I do predict he's probably going to have a pretty serious strike.

01:19:50.120 I think we'll probably see Israeli warplanes start bombing nuclear reactors for the first time ever.

01:19:55.740 I think we probably actually are there.

01:19:58.240 If that actually starts happening, nothing is needed from the United States other than diplomatic cover at the United Nations.

01:20:04.820 I guess maybe some specific munitions that might be necessary, some bombs here or there.

01:20:10.920 Ideally, in the mid to long term, that can become self-sufficient as well.

01:20:14.380 But really, other than diplomatic cover, a place like the U.N., there's not a whole lot that is necessary from a U.S. perspective.

01:20:20.580 Wow. Yes.

01:20:21.280 Very well said.

01:20:22.320 Well, this was so informative.

01:20:23.480 Thank you so much.

01:20:24.780 And where can people follow you, find you?

01:20:27.620 I'm sure your book is available for pre-order soon.

01:20:30.700 Let everyone know.

01:20:32.660 Yeah.

01:20:32.880 Thanks so much, Ali.

01:20:33.600 So I'm on X, Josh underscore Hammer.

01:20:35.620 Instagram is Josh B Hammer.

01:20:36.800 I host two shows, The Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial with Josh Hammer.

01:20:40.580 And the book is due out in March.

01:20:43.160 It's just barely available for pre-order on Amazon, Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West.

01:20:49.300 Awesome.

01:20:49.760 Thank you so much, Josh.

01:20:51.400 Thanks, Ali.

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