Ep 1081 ｜ January 6： The Most Deadliest Day Ever ｜ Guest： Kyle Mann
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Summary
On January 6th, 2021, Garth Strudelfund was in the middle of making a documentary about one of the deadliest days in American history. He tells us about his experience interviewing those involved with this day, and why it's still the deadliest day in human history.
Transcript
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The Babylon Bee has a new documentary out about January 6th, the most deadliest day
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And today we have Kyle, I mean, we've got Garth Strudelfund, a journalist here with
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us to describe this harrowing day, his experience interviewing those involved with this day.
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It's a very serious interview that you should take very seriously.
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And to just set this up, I'll play you a little clip from this documentary.
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Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was murdered over seven times.
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Could you explain it to me using Marvel characters?
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We even go face to face with the scariest criminals.
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Darkness because of the, because he's a Republican, not because he's, you know.
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If you could just tell everyone who you are and what you do.
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And I recently put out a documentary on the most deadliest day in human history, which
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is, as everybody knows, I'm sure your audience knows, is January 6, 2021.
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And if you could just describe what you mean by that, by the deadliest day, because when
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Well, deadly is not only death that occurs in a material sense, but death can also be
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a metaphor for the death of, say, democracy, the death of joy, the death of our nation.
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And so while technically you might be right in that there might be one or two other days
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in human history where more people died, using the definition of died that is like people
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It is still the most deadliest day in human history when you consider all the billions
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of people that will no longer experience freedom and democracy because of Trump supporters
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You know, I still remember where I was on 9-11.
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Do you remember what you were doing on January 6?
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I was watching The View and just my normal routine.
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Um, smoothie, um, The View, um, another smoothie.
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And then, um, I heard what happened and I fell to the ground weeping.
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Um, I honestly, I don't remember where I was on September 11th, but I remember where I was
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Yeah, just crying, just crying and weeping and, I'm sorry.
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Obviously, you didn't stay in that puddle of tears with the, you know, soothing tones
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You eventually, you pulled yourself up and you said, okay, I am doing something about this.
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And so you made yourself another smoothie, then what?
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I door dash them, which, um, so I door dashed another, another smoothie.
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In this story, um, Trump is Voldemort and I am Harry Potter.
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And what did Harry Potter do when Voldemort attacked?
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He cast, um, uh, you know, attack, attack his spell.
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And I, as I read a lot of Harry Potter and that's like, it's the only literary reference
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Even with all the, the bigotry from JK Rowling.
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I just, I just, I feel like, you know, my audience is wondering.
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Um, I think I, I'll do better, but all my copies of Harry Potter though, I've cut her
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But anyway, I, taking inspiration from great literary figures, all these, all these people
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in literary history, like Harry Potter, Hermione Granger, Ron Weasley, you know, and the list
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You can make so many references to different works of literature, but Dobby, but these people
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So I decided to make a movie where I actually go and confront these people, these dangerous
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Because democracy died and democracy is all of us.
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And as you were interviewing, as you said, some of these dangerous criminals, Siaka Masakoy,
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We went to his house and it took, I had to take so many extra doses of medication to even
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work up the nerve and just, I had all, I had all my, I had all my friends, well, not friends,
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but, you know, work, work for like work friends, work acquaintances, sending positive vibes my
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He, he, he seemed aggressive and like standoffish at first.
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I was very frightened of him, but he did let us in to talk to him.
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Um, it was, it was a, it was a traumatizing experience.
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I still wake up at night thinking about that day when I confronted him, when I looked evil
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And he was, thankfully, he was charged with four misdemeanors.
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His home was raided by the FBI because he entered the Capitol and he, I'm sorry, he took,
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Uh, well, I think you're understating it a little.
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He, he stood in the Capitol doorway for 71 seconds.
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That's like a, that's like a high capacity, fully automatic, fully semi-automatic selfie.
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And did you cause him to wrestle with the fact that he played a role as a white supremacist,
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I mean, I don't know that he, I don't know that Siaka actually gets to claim
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I think in a way he is culturally appropriating blackness by being a Trump supporter, but
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And, but I did call him out and we confronted him and we actually, um, I brought along the
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shame bell, which is a bell that we ring for any Trump supporter.
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And, um, we forced him to walk down the street with us ringing the shame bell.
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Now, is that a bell that you use in general when you're in public or is this only for those
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Um, this, the shame bell really is reserved for special occasions, but I will on occasion
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use it in other situations, but it is, it is something that you don't want to take lightly.
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Like you don't just use the shame bell for any Starbucks barista gets your order wrong.
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Starbucks barista spells Garth Strudelford incorrectly.
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Maybe I'll use the shame bell there, but, but most, mostly I'll just keep it for very grave
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So I typically just kind of yell in someone's face.
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Like I went to a nursing home the other day and I noticed that a man, he actually didn't
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have a Trump hat, but he, he did have like an American flag on his, on his wheelchair.
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So I just kind of screamed at him in his face until he started weeping.
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And so I, in a way, I just think that what you're doing is so important.
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I, I was going to say that too about, about me.
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So you also interviewed, um, the January 6th defendant who moved Nancy Pelosi's personal
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Um, his name is lectern guy and we, um, under false pretenses brought him to our studios.
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We told him, Oh, we're going to, we're going to insurrect the government.
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Like, we're going to have this meeting and we're going to overthrow the government.
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Um, we, I mean, we stayed like, we literally stared into the face of evil.
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Um, and we actually had him, um, reenact his terrorist crimes in front of a focus group
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So that again, like you want to talk about trauma.
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I had to watch him pick up that lectern and move it 20 feet.
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Not, I mean, in a, in a reenactment in live in person, you don't recover from that.
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I heard one person in the focus group actually wet themselves.
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They, we, we, we started asking them how scary is this on a, on a scale from nine to
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And like half of them raised their hands and said, I need to go to the bathroom.
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Um, but yeah, he was lectern guy is, is definitely one of the most dangerous and deadliest criminals
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Um, I don't know if you've seen the footage, but he smiles, he waves, he's wearing a beanie.
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Um, he's not, he reminds you of someone, right?
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Um, but you look at that smile on his face in that Capitol footage.
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That's not a, that's not somebody who's just accidentally committing insurrection.
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That's somebody who's committing insurrection and enjoying it.
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And so that's why, um, we're so happy that the FBI went after him so hard.
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Did you find, as you were searching DC, the January 6th memorial, because I know you were
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on the search for that, which is a good, you know, a good point.
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I'm not sure why we don't have one, but what did you find as you were searching?
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And if you watch the movie, you can follow our journey as we walk around DC.
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And, um, I was moved by all the memorials there.
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Um, I was moved by the, uh, I love the, the African-American center for art that's there,
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Um, I didn't go outside, but I just appreciate that it's there.
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Um, I, I enjoyed the, uh, the shawarma vendors.
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That's another, that's another institution for us really in Washington, DC.
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Um, but the January 6th memorial was nowhere to be found.
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And this is actually something that I learned and that your viewers and slash or listeners
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may, um, be, be interested to find out is that they never actually built a memorial for
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The, the deadliest, the most deadliest day in all of human history and there's no memorial
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But you, you're, you, I asked the tour guy, I asked the, uh, at the visitor center, we,
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and we brought our camera crew and we asked them like, where's the January 6th memorial?
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And I was like, no, the memorial, like, where do we remember the metaphorical lives that
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And if you were to construct, or if you were to be, you know, the architect for a January
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Well, I don't want to spoil anything for, for, uh, the people that haven't seen the documentary
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We, um, we actually built our own January 6th memorial.
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You know, and no passersby were interested in, in stopping and, and, um, paying their
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That may be true, but I think we have to face uncomfortable truths.
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And that's why we need a January 6th memorial to all the, um, all the lives that were metaphorically
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One of the greatest killers of democracy that day was a grandmother and people have seen
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I mean, I get chills down my spine because I'm afraid that she knows that I, as a sentinel
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of democracy, stand against her insurrection, that she might show up at my house.
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She's very just like, her presence is intimidating.
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Um, what is your take on this woman that some people may wrongly feel sympathy for, but really
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I mean, evil doesn't always appear the way that we expect it to, right?
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Like we think of evil as being, you know, Voldemort.
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Like you think they're always going to have this black face, not, not black, like skin,
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And then they're going to like come at you and suck away your, your soul force.
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But sometimes evil comes, it's, it's like when you take a polyjuice potion and then you
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That's like the grandmother was like Voldemort that took a polyjuice potion and now looks like
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I mean, Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
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This insurrectionist terrorist disguised herself as a grandmother.
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So on January 6th, um, there were protesters there who, they say that they were just being
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peaceful, you know, that they weren't trying to do any harm, that there were even officers
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who opened doors for them and they just walked inside.
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In, in the movie, in, in our documentary, we actually sit down and we, we cut it down for
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time, but we actually sat down and watched all 90,000 hours of footage that was released,
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Um, so, so we actually watched all of this stuff, you know, and I can't tell you the number of
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scary things that happen in that footage and I'll forever be changed by the way, by, by what
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There is a guy that walks down a hallway and this is all in the documentary.
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But this, there's a guy that walks down a hallway and looks around and then turns and
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Like the, no, like this is, this is something that people actually did in our Capitol.
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So you can say, oh, that's harmless or, oh, that's, that's just walking around or they're
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I'm just taking a tour to Moscow in the winter and not, I don't have any supplies.
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And we, we can't deny the fascism that's right in front of us.
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We have to, we have to unmask it, like unmasking a Death Eater, for instance.
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You infiltrated a group of these fascists, what are typically known as Trump supporters.
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And you asked them, you know, why are they voting for Trump?
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And there was at least one of them who tried to give you a very lengthy response that basically
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Yeah, we actually, my fellow investigative reporter, Travis, that I work with, he, we put him undercover
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and we gave him a disguise, which was a MAGA hat and a mustache.
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And then we sent him into a local women's Republican club to hide among them and, and ask them why
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they were, why they, why did they vote for Trump?
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Because I, in, in the movie we talked to experts and they turned out to be unbeknownst to me,
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Somebody named Michael Kanols, somebody named Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas.
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Like, these people actually turned out to be Nazis themselves.
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So we didn't get a ton of great material from them.
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And I, I, um, we interviewed them and I asked them, like, why did people vote for Trump?
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And they were telling me, oh, people felt, people felt, um, disenfranchised by the system.
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It was this populist wave of, and I said, no, that's, you guys are dumb.
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And then I said, no, we need to find out ourselves.
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Because as an investigative journalist, you don't want secondhand.
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Because I'm just, I mean, I'm not even a dog and I can hear those whistles.
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Because they're, and the whistling was, they were whistling.
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But I talked to these Trump supporters, Travis, I was too scared, but Travis went and talked
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to these Trump supporters and he, he recorded them with his undercover Trumpy bear, which
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Um, and he, he, they had no idea that he was there undercover at this Women's Republican
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And speaking of dog whistles, they all said, the economy, Supreme Court picks.
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Like just these things that I'm like, they're saying those things.
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So how did you respond to all of that theocratic, you know, those theocratic references in the
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Well, our goal at that particular, as part of that particular investigation was not to
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Like, you can't go into the eagle's nest and tell Hitler, hey, you're wrong.
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It's like, would you go back in time and kill baby Hitler?
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Would you go back in time and talk to teenage Hitler or kill him?
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I mean, or like 20-year-old Hitler, you know, like what age?
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So anyway, would I go back in time and kill baby Trump supporters?
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So, um, well, Kamala Harris, she obviously is the only thing standing in the way of a
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And I, I also, I'm just thinking now, it's just my wheels are turning.
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I mean, I don't think that it is a coincidence that he chose a running mate that looks like
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a Confederate soldier himself to enter into the White House for, you know, like another
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I'm just, I'm just putting the pieces together.
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It just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, but Kamala Harris is the only one standing
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Um, and so what do you think about her role in all of this in saving our democracy?
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I mean, I think that the time to do what we have been doing is now, and that time is
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But I think, like, literally, if you don't vote for Kamala Harris, like, you might as well
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There's no difference between someone, say they just don't want to vote, and someone who
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Yeah, as, like, metaphorically, when you don't vote, you are marching into the Capitol and
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You're moving a lectern, you're putting your feet on Nancy Pelosi's metaphorical desk.
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Like, as a metaphor, but also, like, literally.
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Well, here we have Kamala Harris, and she says this so poignantly, just what January 6th represents.
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Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived
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through them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault.
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Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory.
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Now, I will say, I find that to be a little insulting to January 6th, because December 7th, 1941,
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2,400 sailors, soldiers, and civilians were killed by Japan in the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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And then on 2001, you've got almost 3,000 Americans killed by Al-Qaeda, but on January 6th,
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And so to normalize that and say, oh, this is just like any other terrorist attack is,
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I mean, it's really just a way to normalize fascism and make us used to it as part of the conversation,
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where you're like, oh, yeah, it's just a normal day in America.
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And that's the message I want everybody to hear is that's not fine.
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You wish that she was even stronger against January 6th.
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My one complaint with Kamala Harris is that she's not Marxist enough.
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And doesn't go far enough in condemning these acts.
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And like you said, that's a great point, Allie.
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Now, there was someone who literally physically died in that sense.
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If you want to make the myopic definition of death, there was one person who died,
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I don't – I didn't hear – I didn't hear anything about that.
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She was – well, she was actually – she was unarmed.
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So, there's that, that kind of justifies it, because she was walking.
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But the, you know, police officer shot her in the chest.
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So, yeah, she was a Trump supporter killed by a police officer.
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So, I mean, she was technically the only person that died that day.
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I think I need – I think I need to do some research on that, but I don't –
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Look, let me fact check you and go back to the fact that millions of people metaphorically died.
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And also, AOC, one of the most important figures, she also felt like she was going to die, which in some – some people say is worse than actually dying.
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And here she is describing that just gruesome day it sought to.
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While that impact was so doubled that day is because of the misogyny and the racism that is so deeply rooted and animated that attack on the Capitol.
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You know, white supremacy and patriarchy are very linked in a lot of ways.
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And I didn't think that I was just going to be killed.
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I thought other things were going to happen to me as well.
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So, what – sounds like what you're telling me right now is that you didn't only think that you were going to die.
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Well, I don't – I don't find Trump supporters sexy at all.
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Someone has a MAGA hat on and it's like, no, thank you.
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But she also pointed out, though, in her comments about January 6th that a lot of Trump supporters weren't wearing masks.
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And she says that she'll never forgive Trump, which is, you know, shocking because previously she was so supportive of him.
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I'll never forgive president, former president of the United States and his lackeys and his bullies that he sent to the Capitol for the trauma of the president.
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These are young, largely younger people who come with idealism to work in the Capitol on either side of the aisle and whatever it is.
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I mean, not only should we not forgive Trump, like, we need to punish him.
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Now, Pelosi, to her credit, has impeached Trump 17 times since this event.
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And, I mean, now, she still would be impeaching Trump to this day if she was still, if we hadn't insurrected her by taking away her power.
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But that's why it's so important for us to vote for Democrats.
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And in conclusion, I think that Trump, I think that Trump is a Nazi.
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And that's what you found, just objectively, talking about the facts, because we know that Trump supporters don't deal with facts.
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But you and I, being on this side, we deal with facts.
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Just factually, what you found out through your research and interviews is that Trump is a Nazi.
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And also, like, Trump actually told everybody to go insurrect the government.
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And you can listen to his speech there on the day of January 6.
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Like, this is public record that he stands up there with a torch and a pitchfork.
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Like, my fascism siren is going off when I see that.
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And I'm glad that you clarified, because I'm so glad that you fact-checked that, because I had been thinking that it was a javelin.
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But knowing that it's a pitchfork, that kind of changes everything.
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And it's kind of, it reminds me so much of when he said, again, public record, everyone can see.
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When he said, there's fine people on both sides.
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And he went out of his way to say, white supremacists are fine people.
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He said that over and over and over and over again.
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I mean, he says, there's fine people on both sides.
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Both Hitler and Hitler's, who was Hitler's friend's name?
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You also have another, you have a book that's coming out.
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And in a way, the Babylon Bee Guide to the apocalypse, which I'm thinking if, you know, goddess forbid, Trump wins the White House, it is going to be an apocalypse.
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It's going to be January 6th, every day, every hour of every day, lecterns flying all over the place.
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We wrote the book and we pacifically decided to release it on the week after the election or the week, whenever it is, November 12th-ish is when it's coming out.
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And we decided to put it right after the election because if Trump wins, people are going to need to know, how do I survive?
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How do I stream Netflix when the world has ended?
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Like, those are the essential questions that people are going to need when Trump takes over, should we decide not to go out and vote for Kamala Harris and insurrect the government metaphorically.
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Um, also, if, if Kamala does win, you should still go buy my book because climate change, the world always is about to end and we always have to be ready for it.
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And even if it's not Trump this time, maybe next time, goddess forbid, J.D. Vance runs.
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Um, from Florida, you know, if he, if he, if he runs, like, he's even worse than Trump.
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So there's always, so you can, you can never be too prepared for the apocalypse when Republicans are.
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And so there's always, I mean, there's always a chance for the apocalypse.
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And so, like, what, what are just some tools that we, I know people need to get the book, but what are some tools that people could walk away with right now in case the apocalypse starts tomorrow?
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Um, in the book, we have plenty of diagrams showing people how to do things like how to build your fallout shelter.
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And we, um, used Microsoft Paint and we actually drew an entire fallout shelter and how it's cut out into the hill.
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And so it's, like, things like a trap door so people will fall on spikes.
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I think they say the answer to a riddle and you're supposed to come up with a riddle.
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So was there anything that they will get from this book that they couldn't get from watching Home Alone?
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No, but, but I, if, but it would be good if you could, oh, but Trump is in the Home Alone franchise.
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I mean, there's stuff about Trump in it, but he's not, Trump does not endorse it the way he endorses the Home Alone franchise.
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He's the antagonist in the apocalypse, in your apocalypse book.
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Well, I do encourage everyone, the Babylon Bee Guide to the Apocalypse, but most importantly, just to know what's at stake, and you have to watch this before the election, January 6th, the most deadliest day.
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Where can people find that and, you know, share it with their friends?
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They can go to babylonbee.com slash January 6th and trigger warning, like it's got all the bad stuff in it.
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Walking, parading, general rowdiness, all kinds of things that happen in the Capitol that day.
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So put the kids to bed before you watch, but babylonbee.com slash January 6th, and you can sign up and watch the film.
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Before we head out, just a reminder to please buy my book, Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion.
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We go through five lies on abortion, gender, sexuality in marriage, social justice, immigration, and we equip you with all of the factual, logical, and biblical arguments against the progressive position and for the conservative, and what I hope to be the truly biblical position on all of these issues.
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We'll put the link in the description of this episode.
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You can also get it on christianbooks.com and really wherever books are sold.