Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 10, 2024


Ep 1081 ｜ January 6： The Most Deadliest Day Ever ｜ Guest： Kyle Mann


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00:00:00.780 The Babylon Bee has a new documentary out about January 6th, the most deadliest day
00:00:07.380 in American history.
00:00:08.880 And today we have Kyle, I mean, we've got Garth Strudelfund, a journalist here with
00:00:15.700 us to describe this harrowing day, his experience interviewing those involved with this day.
00:00:23.500 It's a very serious interview that you should take very seriously.
00:00:28.940 And to just set this up, I'll play you a little clip from this documentary.
00:00:34.180 It's Saw 11.
00:00:35.500 We go on location.
00:00:37.760 We bring you 100% true facts.
00:00:41.900 Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was murdered over seven times.
00:00:46.860 We ask the tough questions.
00:00:48.860 Is it true that you have a Jewish space laser?
00:00:51.300 This is incredibly boring.
00:00:52.700 Could you explain it to me using Marvel characters?
00:00:54.820 We even go face to face with the scariest criminals.
00:00:58.940 You'll ever meet.
00:01:00.600 Are you the dangerous insurrection man?
00:01:04.740 Who's asking?
00:01:05.900 We're in.
00:01:06.800 Into the lair of darkness, I go.
00:01:08.900 Darkness because of the, because he's a Republican, not because he's, you know.
00:01:13.240 Shame!
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00:01:24.120 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:01:36.680 If you could just tell everyone who you are and what you do.
00:01:39.860 My name is Garth Strudelfudd.
00:01:41.980 And I'm an investigative journalist.
00:01:43.960 And I recently put out a documentary on the most deadliest day in human history, which
00:01:51.980 is, as everybody knows, I'm sure your audience knows, is January 6, 2021.
00:01:58.840 Okay.
00:01:59.480 Yes.
00:01:59.900 And if you could just describe what you mean by that, by the deadliest day, because when
00:02:05.440 I think deadliest, I think people died.
00:02:08.340 But you must, you must mean something else.
00:02:10.720 Well, deadly is not only death that occurs in a material sense, but death can also be
00:02:17.280 a metaphor for the death of, say, democracy, the death of joy, the death of our nation.
00:02:26.380 And so while technically you might be right in that there might be one or two other days
00:02:34.160 in human history where more people died, using the definition of died that is like people
00:02:41.860 that don't live anymore.
00:02:42.880 Right.
00:02:44.320 It is still the most deadliest day in human history when you consider all the billions
00:02:50.500 of people that will no longer experience freedom and democracy because of Trump supporters
00:02:56.980 insurrecting us.
00:02:58.720 Yeah.
00:02:58.740 You know, I still remember where I was on 9-11.
00:03:03.220 I was in fourth grade.
00:03:04.180 I remember what my teacher was wearing.
00:03:05.880 Do you remember what you were doing on January 6?
00:03:09.120 Oh, I was crying the whole day.
00:03:11.820 I was watching The View and just my normal routine.
00:03:19.200 Um, smoothie, um, The View, um, another smoothie.
00:03:29.520 Mm-hmm.
00:03:30.380 And then, um, I heard what happened and I fell to the ground weeping.
00:03:37.360 Um, I honestly, I don't remember where I was on September 11th, but I remember where I was
00:03:42.220 on January 6th.
00:03:44.440 And it was on your carpet.
00:03:46.840 Yeah, just crying, just crying and weeping and, I'm sorry.
00:03:54.600 It's okay.
00:03:55.080 It's okay.
00:03:55.580 We can move on to something else.
00:03:57.640 Obviously, you didn't stay in that puddle of tears with the, you know, soothing tones
00:04:04.760 of Joy Behar in the background forever.
00:04:07.720 You eventually, you pulled yourself up and you said, okay, I am doing something about this.
00:04:15.160 And so you made yourself another smoothie, then what?
00:04:20.060 So, well, I don't make my own smoothies.
00:04:23.340 I door dash them, which, um, so I door dashed another, another smoothie.
00:04:28.820 And, um, and then I said, you know what?
00:04:34.300 In this story, um, Trump is Voldemort and I am Harry Potter.
00:04:39.340 And what did Harry Potter do when Voldemort attacked?
00:04:43.920 He fought back.
00:04:45.320 He cast Expelliarmus.
00:04:47.040 He cast, um, uh, you know, attack, attack his spell.
00:04:54.940 And I, as I read a lot of Harry Potter and that's like, it's the only literary reference
00:05:02.040 I know, honestly, but it's a good one.
00:05:04.380 It's the only one you need.
00:05:05.760 Even with all the, the bigotry from JK Rowling.
00:05:10.200 Well, I don't want to derail us.
00:05:11.760 I just, I just, I feel like, you know, my audience is wondering.
00:05:15.860 Thank you for calling me out on that.
00:05:17.580 I appreciate that.
00:05:18.520 Right.
00:05:18.900 Um, I think I, I'll do better, but all my copies of Harry Potter though, I've cut her
00:05:25.000 name out of the front.
00:05:26.040 Okay.
00:05:27.140 So it's okay.
00:05:27.860 That's good.
00:05:27.960 But anyway, I, taking inspiration from great literary figures, all these, all these people
00:05:34.240 in literary history, like Harry Potter, Hermione Granger, Ron Weasley, you know, and the list
00:05:42.780 goes on and on.
00:05:43.560 You can make so many references to different works of literature, but Dobby, but these people
00:05:50.080 fought back and I decided, you know what?
00:05:51.880 Not on my watch.
00:05:53.620 Democracy doesn't die on my watch.
00:05:56.020 So I decided to make a movie where I actually go and confront these people, these dangerous
00:06:03.320 criminals who almost killed me in the face.
00:06:08.840 Yeah.
00:06:09.280 Metaphorically, but.
00:06:10.780 Right.
00:06:11.440 Right.
00:06:11.740 Well, all of us in a way.
00:06:13.240 Yeah.
00:06:13.480 I died that day.
00:06:15.000 You died that day.
00:06:17.100 Nancy Pelosi, AOC, they all died.
00:06:20.580 Yeah.
00:06:20.900 Some of them more than once.
00:06:21.980 Right.
00:06:23.120 Because democracy died and democracy is all of us.
00:06:27.100 And as you were interviewing, as you said, some of these dangerous criminals, Siaka Masakoy,
00:06:33.940 I think is the name of one of them.
00:06:36.040 Like, tell me about that confrontation.
00:06:38.480 We went to his house and it took, I had to take so many extra doses of medication to even
00:06:47.460 work up the nerve and just, I had all, I had all my, I had all my friends, well, not friends,
00:06:55.480 but, you know, work, work for like work friends, work acquaintances, sending positive vibes my
00:07:03.100 way as I went there.
00:07:05.100 And we got to his door.
00:07:07.480 He, he, he seemed aggressive and like standoffish at first.
00:07:12.680 I was very frightened of him, but he did let us in to talk to him.
00:07:16.500 Um, it was, it was a, it was a traumatizing experience.
00:07:19.640 I still wake up at night thinking about that day when I confronted him, when I looked evil
00:07:25.560 and it's dark face.
00:07:28.020 And he was, thankfully, he was charged with four misdemeanors.
00:07:33.540 His home was raided by the FBI because he entered the Capitol and he, I'm sorry, he took,
00:07:44.120 he took a selfie.
00:07:47.320 Uh, well, I think you're understating it a little.
00:07:50.260 He, he stood in the Capitol doorway for 71 seconds.
00:07:56.060 So.
00:07:57.220 Right.
00:07:58.240 And it wasn't just a selfie.
00:07:59.720 It was a selfie video.
00:08:01.500 My gosh.
00:08:02.620 That's like a, that's like a high capacity, fully automatic, fully semi-automatic selfie.
00:08:11.520 And did you cause him to wrestle with the fact that he played a role as a white supremacist,
00:08:19.180 even as he is an individual of melanin?
00:08:24.720 I mean, I don't know that he, I don't know that Siaka actually gets to claim
00:08:27.940 that title.
00:08:28.940 I think in a way he is culturally appropriating blackness by being a Trump supporter, but
00:08:35.860 also being black.
00:08:37.760 Right.
00:08:38.360 Person of color.
00:08:39.760 That, yes.
00:08:40.480 And, but I did call him out and we confronted him and we actually, um, I brought along the
00:08:45.540 shame bell, which is a bell that we ring for any Trump supporter.
00:08:50.700 And, um, we forced him to walk down the street with us ringing the shame bell.
00:08:56.240 Now, is that a bell that you use in general when you're in public or is this only for those
00:09:02.440 involved in January 6th?
00:09:03.900 Um, this, the shame bell really is reserved for special occasions, but I will on occasion
00:09:10.920 use it in other situations, but it is, it is something that you don't want to take lightly.
00:09:15.540 Like you don't just use the shame bell for any Starbucks barista gets your order wrong.
00:09:21.720 Starbucks barista spells Garth Strudelford incorrectly.
00:09:26.080 Maybe I'll use the shame bell there, but, but most, mostly I'll just keep it for very grave
00:09:31.280 for Trump supporters.
00:09:33.600 Yeah.
00:09:33.700 I don't have a bell.
00:09:34.480 So I typically just kind of yell in someone's face.
00:09:38.620 Like I went to a nursing home the other day and I noticed that a man, he actually didn't
00:09:43.540 have a Trump hat, but he, he did have like an American flag on his, on his wheelchair.
00:09:48.400 And that felt Trumpian to me.
00:09:51.360 So I just kind of screamed at him in his face until he started weeping.
00:09:57.180 And I, I don't know, I just felt proud.
00:09:59.340 And so I, in a way, I just think that what you're doing is so important.
00:10:04.920 Well, thank you.
00:10:05.380 I, I was going to say that too about, about me.
00:10:10.700 So you also interviewed, um, the January 6th defendant who moved Nancy Pelosi's personal
00:10:19.020 lectern.
00:10:20.000 Can you tell me about that?
00:10:21.700 Yeah.
00:10:21.960 Um, his name is lectern guy and we, um, under false pretenses brought him to our studios.
00:10:29.840 What did you tell him?
00:10:30.680 We told him, Oh, we're going to, we're going to insurrect the government.
00:10:33.380 Come here.
00:10:34.580 Like, we're going to have this meeting and we're going to overthrow the government.
00:10:37.700 And he was like, Oh, cool.
00:10:38.760 I'll be there because that's what they do.
00:10:42.620 Um, and so he showed up and we confronted him.
00:10:45.400 We asked him why he's so evil.
00:10:46.600 Um, we, I mean, we stayed like, we literally stared into the face of evil.
00:10:51.380 Um, and we actually had him, um, reenact his terrorist crimes in front of a focus group
00:10:59.880 to see how scary it was.
00:11:01.680 So that again, like you want to talk about trauma.
00:11:04.200 I had to watch him pick up that lectern and move it 20 feet.
00:11:10.040 Not, I mean, in a, in a reenactment in live in person, you don't recover from that.
00:11:17.140 I heard one person in the focus group actually wet themselves.
00:11:20.120 Is that true?
00:11:20.840 Yeah.
00:11:21.840 Yeah.
00:11:22.940 They, we, we, we started asking them how scary is this on a, on a scale from nine to
00:11:28.820 10.
00:11:29.120 And like half of them raised their hands and said, I need to go to the bathroom.
00:11:36.140 Wow.
00:11:37.200 Wow.
00:11:38.880 That's really brave.
00:11:40.580 Um, but yeah, he was lectern guy is, is definitely one of the most dangerous and deadliest criminals
00:11:49.040 that, um, that America has ever seen.
00:11:51.900 Um, I don't know if you've seen the footage, but he smiles, he waves, he's wearing a beanie.
00:11:59.200 Um, he's not, he reminds you of someone, right?
00:12:02.580 Yeah.
00:12:05.300 Voldemort.
00:12:06.040 Right.
00:12:08.440 Um, but you look at that smile on his face in that Capitol footage.
00:12:13.140 That's not a, that's not somebody who's just accidentally committing insurrection.
00:12:17.400 That's somebody who's committing insurrection and enjoying it.
00:12:20.700 And so that's why, um, we're so happy that the FBI went after him so hard.
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00:13:18.560 Did you find, as you were searching DC, the January 6th memorial, because I know you were
00:13:30.220 on the search for that, which is a good, you know, a good point.
00:13:33.620 I'm not sure why we don't have one, but what did you find as you were searching?
00:13:37.880 Yeah.
00:13:38.060 So we searched for the January 6th memorial.
00:13:39.940 And if you watch the movie, you can follow our journey as we walk around DC.
00:13:44.300 And, um, I was moved by all the memorials there.
00:13:48.320 Um, I was moved by the, uh, I love the, the African-American center for art that's there,
00:13:54.140 the museum for art.
00:13:55.280 Yeah.
00:13:55.480 Um, I didn't go outside, but I just appreciate that it's there.
00:13:58.820 Yeah.
00:13:59.420 Um, I, I enjoyed the, uh, the shawarma vendors.
00:14:03.380 That's another, that's another institution for us really in Washington, DC.
00:14:07.680 Um, but the January 6th memorial was nowhere to be found.
00:14:16.000 And this is, this was shocking to me.
00:14:17.860 And this is actually something that I learned and that your viewers and slash or listeners
00:14:23.100 may, um, be, be interested to find out is that they never actually built a memorial for
00:14:30.280 January 6th.
00:14:31.260 The, the deadliest, the most deadliest day in all of human history and there's no memorial
00:14:36.820 World War II, that's covered Korean War.
00:14:39.860 Yep.
00:14:40.280 They've got one of those Vietnam.
00:14:42.540 That one's there.
00:14:43.760 But you, you're, you, I asked the tour guy, I asked the, uh, at the visitor center, we,
00:14:48.060 and we brought our camera crew and we asked them like, where's the January 6th memorial?
00:14:51.280 And he's just staring at me.
00:14:52.480 And I said, you know, the riot.
00:14:53.980 And he said, Oh, the Capitol's over here.
00:14:55.820 And I was like, no, the memorial, like, where do we remember the metaphorical lives that
00:15:02.180 were lost?
00:15:03.340 Exactly.
00:15:03.780 And if you were to construct, or if you were to be, you know, the architect for a January
00:15:09.020 6th memorial, what would that look like?
00:15:11.380 You think?
00:15:12.120 Well, I don't want to spoil anything for, for, uh, the people that haven't seen the documentary
00:15:18.400 yet, but we, but I will.
00:15:20.780 We, um, we actually built our own January 6th memorial.
00:15:24.760 You know, and no passersby were interested in, in stopping and, and, um, paying their
00:15:32.420 respects.
00:15:32.680 It's too raw.
00:15:33.400 It's too raw.
00:15:34.100 Don't you think?
00:15:35.500 That may be true, but I think we have to face uncomfortable truths.
00:15:39.240 That's true.
00:15:40.200 We want people to be uncomfortable.
00:15:42.140 And that's why we need a January 6th memorial to all the, um, all the lives that were metaphorically
00:15:49.360 shot in the face.
00:15:51.820 One of the greatest killers of democracy that day was a grandmother and people have seen
00:15:58.420 the footage of her.
00:15:59.580 They've seen the pictures.
00:16:01.040 I mean, I get chills down my spine because I'm afraid that she knows that I, as a sentinel
00:16:07.240 of democracy, stand against her insurrection, that she might show up at my house.
00:16:12.300 She's very powerful.
00:16:14.080 She's very strong.
00:16:15.020 She's very just like, her presence is intimidating.
00:16:17.900 And she was arrested.
00:16:20.140 She was convicted of four misdemeanors.
00:16:22.620 She was fined $103,000.
00:16:26.900 Um, what is your take on this woman that some people may wrongly feel sympathy for, but really
00:16:33.420 should be very angry at and scared of?
00:16:35.940 Yeah.
00:16:36.500 I mean, evil doesn't always appear the way that we expect it to, right?
00:16:41.600 Like we think of evil as being, you know, Voldemort.
00:16:46.300 Yeah.
00:16:47.180 Or, um, Voldemort's helpers, the dementors.
00:16:53.640 Like you think they're always going to have this black face, not, not black, like skin,
00:17:00.380 but black, like, you know, dark and cloaked.
00:17:03.580 And then they're going to like come at you and suck away your, your soul force.
00:17:07.320 But sometimes evil comes, it's, it's like when you take a polyjuice potion and then you
00:17:13.760 change into something else.
00:17:15.300 That's like the grandmother was like Voldemort that took a polyjuice potion and now looks like
00:17:21.840 a grandmother.
00:17:22.420 So sometimes, sometimes evil is a grandmother.
00:17:28.320 Mm-hmm.
00:17:29.220 Mm-hmm.
00:17:29.840 I mean, Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
00:17:32.800 This insurrectionist terrorist disguised herself as a grandmother.
00:17:36.840 Yeah.
00:17:37.460 But the Bible is a lie.
00:17:39.760 That's true.
00:17:40.740 So on January 6th, um, there were protesters there who, they say that they were just being
00:17:53.200 peaceful, you know, that they weren't trying to do any harm, that there were even officers
00:18:00.240 who opened doors for them and they just walked inside.
00:18:03.140 Speaking of lies.
00:18:07.600 In, in the movie, in, in our documentary, we actually sit down and we, we cut it down for
00:18:14.740 time, but we actually sat down and watched all 90,000 hours of footage that was released,
00:18:20.040 um, by the FBI and by the government.
00:18:22.780 Um, so, so we actually watched all of this stuff, you know, and I can't tell you the number of
00:18:30.540 scary things that happen in that footage and I'll forever be changed by the way, by, by what
00:18:36.660 I saw on those tapes.
00:18:37.760 But there's a guy standing next to a tree.
00:18:41.840 There are people walking.
00:18:44.720 There is a guy that walks down a hallway and this is all in the documentary.
00:18:48.940 So please go see it.
00:18:50.500 But this, there's a guy that walks down a hallway and looks around and then turns and
00:18:56.660 walks the other direction.
00:18:57.840 No.
00:18:58.300 Like the, no, like this is, this is something that people actually did in our Capitol.
00:19:04.440 So you can say, oh, that's harmless or, oh, that's, that's just walking around or they're
00:19:09.520 just taking a tour.
00:19:11.060 You know who else said he was taking a tour?
00:19:13.640 Hitler.
00:19:14.620 I'm just taking a tour of Poland.
00:19:17.640 I'm just taking a tour of France.
00:19:20.600 I'm just taking a tour to Moscow in the winter and not, I don't have any supplies.
00:19:26.180 That is, that is a cover for fascism.
00:19:30.900 And we, we can't deny the fascism that's right in front of us.
00:19:33.800 We have to, we have to unmask it, like unmasking a Death Eater, for instance.
00:19:39.720 You infiltrated a group of these fascists, what are typically known as Trump supporters.
00:19:46.420 And you asked them, you know, why are they voting for Trump?
00:19:49.860 And there was at least one of them who tried to give you a very lengthy response that basically
00:19:56.560 was boiled down to blah, blah, blah.
00:19:59.380 Yes, yes.
00:20:02.740 Yeah, we actually, my fellow investigative reporter, Travis, that I work with, he, we put him undercover
00:20:09.200 and we gave him a disguise, which was a MAGA hat and a mustache.
00:20:14.820 And then we sent him into a local women's Republican club to hide among them and, and ask them why
00:20:25.760 they were, why they, why did they vote for Trump?
00:20:27.400 Because I, in, in the movie we talked to experts and they turned out to be unbeknownst to me,
00:20:34.020 far-right extremists.
00:20:37.380 Somebody named Michael Kanols, somebody named Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas.
00:20:43.600 Yeah.
00:20:44.060 Like, these people actually turned out to be Nazis themselves.
00:20:47.620 So we didn't get a ton of great material from them.
00:20:50.280 Especially Dennis Prager.
00:20:51.800 He's definitely a Nazi.
00:20:53.420 Yes.
00:20:54.660 Anti-Semitic Nazi, for sure.
00:20:56.240 And I, I, um, we interviewed them and I asked them, like, why did people vote for Trump?
00:21:02.680 And they were telling me, oh, people felt, people felt, um, disenfranchised by the system.
00:21:08.780 They were worried about the economy.
00:21:10.800 Trump spoke to these concerns.
00:21:12.580 It was this populist wave of, and I said, no, that's, you guys are dumb.
00:21:17.680 And then I said, no, we need to find out ourselves.
00:21:20.460 Because as an investigative journalist, you don't want secondhand.
00:21:23.380 Yeah.
00:21:23.900 You want firsthand.
00:21:24.780 Because I'm just, I mean, I'm not even a dog and I can hear those whistles.
00:21:30.120 Right.
00:21:31.020 Right.
00:21:32.400 Because they're, and the whistling was, they were whistling.
00:21:35.360 But I talked to these Trump supporters, Travis, I was too scared, but Travis went and talked
00:21:39.900 to these Trump supporters and he, he recorded them with his undercover Trumpy bear, which
00:21:44.600 we stuck a camera in.
00:21:46.220 Um, and he, he, they had no idea that he was there undercover at this Women's Republican
00:21:51.200 Club meeting.
00:21:51.880 And he asked them, why did you vote for Trump?
00:21:53.700 Why did you vote for Trump?
00:21:54.780 And speaking of dog whistles, they all said, the economy, Supreme Court picks.
00:22:03.460 Um, you know, he, he doesn't like war.
00:22:07.400 He keeps us safe.
00:22:08.680 Like just these things that I'm like, they're saying those things.
00:22:11.520 And I'm hearing Mein Kampf.
00:22:14.060 Handmaid's Tale.
00:22:15.120 Handmaid.
00:22:15.740 I haven't read it yet, but I do own it.
00:22:18.320 Yes.
00:22:19.200 That's what I'm hearing too.
00:22:20.380 I'm hearing theocracy.
00:22:22.840 I'm hearing forcing people to go to church.
00:22:27.260 Yes.
00:22:28.280 Yeah.
00:22:29.240 All of those things.
00:22:30.480 Like to me, just, I'm like Christian nationalism alert.
00:22:34.040 Next sponsor is America's Christian Credit Union.
00:22:42.120 Unfortunately, in this scary world, we have to think about the prospect of being debanked or
00:22:47.160 getting severed from our financial institution because of the things that we say, because
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00:23:29.800 So how did you respond to all of that theocratic, you know, those theocratic references in the
00:23:42.380 moment?
00:23:44.760 Well, our goal at that particular, as part of that particular investigation was not to
00:23:52.060 change hearts and minds.
00:23:53.160 Like, you can't go into the eagle's nest and tell Hitler, hey, you're wrong.
00:24:00.760 You know, he's not going to believe you.
00:24:03.320 And these people are that far gone.
00:24:05.560 It's like, would you go back in time and kill baby Hitler?
00:24:09.080 Would you go back in time and talk to teenage Hitler or kill him?
00:24:12.840 I mean, or like 20-year-old Hitler, you know, like what age?
00:24:17.080 So anyway, would I go back in time and kill baby Trump supporters?
00:24:21.300 That's, oh, that's immoral.
00:24:24.620 What was the question?
00:24:26.680 It was, it was basically that.
00:24:28.520 Would you kill baby?
00:24:30.080 Yeah.
00:24:30.720 Mm-hmm.
00:24:31.020 Trump supporters.
00:24:32.180 Yeah.
00:24:32.380 So, um, well, Kamala Harris, she obviously is the only thing standing in the way of a
00:24:43.840 fascist takeover of the White House.
00:24:48.320 And I, I also, I'm just thinking now, it's just my wheels are turning.
00:24:52.880 I mean, I don't think that it is a coincidence that he chose a running mate that looks like
00:24:59.080 a Confederate soldier himself to enter into the White House for, you know, like another
00:25:05.900 kind of insurrection.
00:25:07.480 I'm just, I'm just putting the pieces together.
00:25:09.680 I, I don't know, but you know, I don't know.
00:25:12.160 It just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, but Kamala Harris is the only one standing
00:25:17.300 in the way of that.
00:25:18.840 Yeah.
00:25:19.280 Um, and so what do you think about her role in all of this in saving our democracy?
00:25:29.620 I mean, I think that the time to do what we have been doing is now, and that time is
00:25:36.000 every day.
00:25:39.140 But I think, like, literally, if you don't vote for Kamala Harris, like, you might as well
00:25:47.060 have been in the Capitol that day.
00:25:48.380 You're as bad as, as those people.
00:25:50.680 There's no difference.
00:25:51.440 There's no difference between someone, say they just don't want to vote, and someone who
00:25:57.400 went into the Capitol on January 6th.
00:26:01.080 They're the same, it's the same person.
00:26:03.940 Yeah, as, like, metaphorically, when you don't vote, you are marching into the Capitol and
00:26:10.720 taking selfies.
00:26:12.580 Mm-hmm.
00:26:12.980 Like, metaphorical selfies.
00:26:14.680 Moving lecterns.
00:26:15.980 You're moving a lectern, you're putting your feet on Nancy Pelosi's metaphorical desk.
00:26:19.840 Walking down the hall, turning back around.
00:26:23.040 Like, as a metaphor, but also, like, literally.
00:26:26.160 Like, literally.
00:26:26.960 You're doing that.
00:26:28.140 Well, here we have Kamala Harris, and she says this so poignantly, just what January 6th represents.
00:26:36.080 Here's Sot 1.
00:26:36.920 Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived
00:26:47.020 through them where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault.
00:26:54.840 Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory.
00:27:05.540 December 7th, 1941.
00:27:08.980 September 11th, 2001.
00:27:11.400 Now, I will say, I find that to be a little insulting to January 6th, because December 7th, 1941,
00:27:27.880 2,400 sailors, soldiers, and civilians were killed by Japan in the attack on Pearl Harbor.
00:27:34.320 And then on 2001, you've got almost 3,000 Americans killed by Al-Qaeda, but on January 6th,
00:27:41.120 infinity people were killed.
00:27:43.240 Right.
00:27:43.800 And so to normalize that and say, oh, this is just like any other terrorist attack is,
00:27:52.660 I mean, it's really just a way to normalize fascism and make us used to it as part of the conversation,
00:28:01.900 where you're like, oh, yeah, it's just a normal day in America.
00:28:05.180 We're storming the Capitol again.
00:28:06.820 That's fine.
00:28:08.580 And that's not fine.
00:28:10.080 Yeah.
00:28:10.840 And that's the message I want everybody to hear is that's not fine.
00:28:14.360 Even Kamala Harris.
00:28:15.380 You wish that she was even stronger against January 6th.
00:28:19.040 Right.
00:28:19.300 My one complaint with Kamala Harris is that she's not Marxist enough.
00:28:25.000 Like, she doesn't go far enough.
00:28:27.300 Yeah.
00:28:27.840 And doesn't go far enough in condemning these acts.
00:28:30.020 And like you said, that's a great point, Allie.
00:28:32.160 Thank you.
00:28:33.160 That it's not the same thing at all.
00:28:36.320 I think we can all agree on that.
00:28:38.100 Now, there was someone who literally physically died in that sense.
00:28:45.040 If you want to make the myopic definition of death, there was one person who died,
00:28:50.280 and her name was Ashley Babbitt.
00:28:53.400 What's your thought about that?
00:28:55.280 I don't – I didn't hear – I didn't hear anything about that.
00:29:03.800 I don't know anything about that.
00:29:05.200 Oh, okay.
00:29:05.560 But she was killed by Trump supporters.
00:29:08.160 She was – well, she was actually – she was unarmed.
00:29:10.500 She's a woman, and she was walking.
00:29:12.860 So, there's that, that kind of justifies it, because she was walking.
00:29:17.860 But the, you know, police officer shot her in the chest.
00:29:22.220 So, yeah, she was a Trump supporter killed by a police officer.
00:29:25.960 So, I mean, she was technically the only person that died that day.
00:29:29.060 But, like I said, she was walking.
00:29:32.380 So, it kind of makes sense.
00:29:34.260 I think I need – I think I need to do some research on that, but I don't –
00:29:41.300 Yeah.
00:29:43.000 Look, let me fact check you and go back to the fact that millions of people metaphorically died.
00:29:51.600 Yeah.
00:29:52.160 Which is, I think, the bigger issue here.
00:29:53.600 And also, AOC, one of the most important figures, she also felt like she was going to die, which in some – some people say is worse than actually dying.
00:30:06.280 And here she is describing that just gruesome day it sought to.
00:30:10.600 While that impact was so doubled that day is because of the misogyny and the racism that is so deeply rooted and animated that attack on the Capitol.
00:30:24.880 You know, white supremacy and patriarchy are very linked in a lot of ways.
00:30:31.080 There's a lot of sexualizing of that violence.
00:30:35.840 And I didn't think that I was just going to be killed.
00:30:41.720 I thought other things were going to happen to me as well.
00:30:44.380 So, what – sounds like what you're telling me right now is that you didn't only think that you were going to die.
00:30:49.240 You thought you were going to be raped.
00:30:51.060 Yeah.
00:30:52.000 Yeah.
00:30:52.960 I thought I was.
00:30:54.960 I mean, she's right.
00:30:55.860 It was a very sexual crowd.
00:30:58.080 In your research, did you find that?
00:31:00.280 Well, I don't – I don't find Trump supporters sexy at all.
00:31:02.560 I think – I think it's a big turnoff.
00:31:05.840 Someone has a MAGA hat on and it's like, no, thank you.
00:31:09.080 So, I don't understand that.
00:31:10.800 But she also pointed out, though, in her comments about January 6th that a lot of Trump supporters weren't wearing masks.
00:31:19.560 So, they wanted to kill her, not only in that instant, which they did.
00:31:25.960 They killed her seven times on that day.
00:31:27.940 But they also wanted to infect her and kill her slowly with COVID-19.
00:31:34.420 Which, the jury is still out.
00:31:36.340 She might be.
00:31:37.920 It's, you know, long COVID.
00:31:39.460 Long COVID is a death you die every day.
00:31:42.220 I have long COVID.
00:31:43.700 Yeah.
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00:32:31.380 There's also Nancy Pelosi.
00:32:39.320 And she says that she'll never forgive Trump, which is, you know, shocking because previously she was so supportive of him.
00:32:47.740 So let's listen to her.
00:32:49.220 It's thought three.
00:32:50.660 I'll never forgive president, former president of the United States and his lackeys and his bullies that he sent to the Capitol for the trauma of the president.
00:33:01.380 That he.
00:33:03.780 That wasn't what was exerted on our staff.
00:33:07.960 These are young, largely younger people who come with idealism to work in the Capitol on either side of the aisle and whatever it is.
00:33:17.560 She'll never forgive Trump.
00:33:19.980 Do you echo that?
00:33:21.900 Absolutely.
00:33:22.400 I mean, not only should we not forgive Trump, like, we need to punish him.
00:33:29.700 Now, Pelosi, to her credit, has impeached Trump 17 times since this event.
00:33:37.220 And, I mean, now, she still would be impeaching Trump to this day if she was still, if we hadn't insurrected her by taking away her power.
00:33:51.080 But that's why it's so important for us to vote for Democrats.
00:33:56.120 And in conclusion, I think that Trump, I think that Trump is a Nazi.
00:34:02.440 And that's what you found, just objectively, talking about the facts, because we know that Trump supporters don't deal with facts.
00:34:11.640 But you and I, being on this side, we deal with facts.
00:34:14.640 Just factually, what you found out through your research and interviews is that Trump is a Nazi.
00:34:21.200 Trump is a Nazi, for sure.
00:34:23.220 For sure, for sure, for sure.
00:34:24.220 And also, like, Trump actually told everybody to go insurrect the government.
00:34:34.960 And you can listen to his speech there on the day of January 6.
00:34:40.680 And you can actually watch the speech.
00:34:43.140 They have it.
00:34:43.960 Like, this is public record that he stands up there with a torch and a pitchfork.
00:34:49.480 Oh, wow.
00:34:50.680 And slams it on the stage.
00:34:55.040 Insurrect.
00:34:56.740 Insurrect.
00:34:59.560 Like, my fascism siren is going off when I see that.
00:35:05.120 Yes, of course.
00:35:06.640 And I'm glad that you clarified, because I'm so glad that you fact-checked that, because I had been thinking that it was a javelin.
00:35:13.380 But knowing that it's a pitchfork, that kind of changes everything.
00:35:17.800 It changes everything, knowing that.
00:35:20.820 And it's kind of, it reminds me so much of when he said, again, public record, everyone can see.
00:35:27.280 When he said, there's fine people on both sides.
00:35:30.620 And he went out of his way to say, white supremacists are fine people.
00:35:35.720 Enslavers are fine people.
00:35:37.680 He said that over and over and over and over again.
00:35:39.620 Everyone can see that.
00:35:40.720 I don't know why there's even any debate.
00:35:43.920 Yeah.
00:35:44.220 I mean, he says, there's fine people on both sides.
00:35:47.480 Both Hitler and Hitler's, who was Hitler's friend's name?
00:35:54.060 Joseph Goebbels.
00:35:56.540 Hitler and Goebbels.
00:35:58.960 Fine people on both sides.
00:36:02.320 Fascism siren.
00:36:04.720 Wee-oh, wee-oh, wee-oh.
00:36:09.060 I hear it.
00:36:10.720 I hear it.
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00:37:00.980 You also have another, you have a book that's coming out.
00:37:08.660 And in a way, the Babylon Bee Guide to the apocalypse, which I'm thinking if, you know, goddess forbid, Trump wins the White House, it is going to be an apocalypse.
00:37:29.220 It's going to be a fascist apocalypse.
00:37:31.800 It's going to be January 6th, every day, every hour of every day, lecterns flying all over the place.
00:37:39.680 We wrote the book and we pacifically decided to release it on the week after the election or the week, whenever it is, November 12th-ish is when it's coming out.
00:37:53.540 And we decided to put it right after the election because if Trump wins, people are going to need to know, how do I survive?
00:38:00.860 How do I get food?
00:38:02.700 How do I get internet access?
00:38:05.420 How do I stream Netflix when the world has ended?
00:38:08.360 Like, those are the essential questions that people are going to need when Trump takes over, should we decide not to go out and vote for Kamala Harris and insurrect the government metaphorically.
00:38:21.100 Um, also, if, if Kamala does win, you should still go buy my book because climate change, the world always is about to end and we always have to be ready for it.
00:38:34.940 And even if it's not Trump this time, maybe next time, goddess forbid, J.D. Vance runs.
00:38:43.700 Ron.
00:38:45.320 Don't.
00:38:46.620 He who must not be named.
00:38:48.640 Harry Potter reference.
00:38:49.540 Um, from Florida, you know, if he, if he, if he runs, like, he's even worse than Trump.
00:38:55.200 So there's always, so you can, you can never be too prepared for the apocalypse when Republicans are.
00:38:59.900 And there's COVID.
00:39:01.160 And there's monkey pox.
00:39:03.060 Thank you.
00:39:03.980 Impox is what?
00:39:06.100 Impox.
00:39:06.580 Impox is what we call him.
00:39:09.040 And so there's always, I mean, there's always a chance for the apocalypse.
00:39:12.200 And so, like, what, what are just some tools that we, I know people need to get the book, but what are some tools that people could walk away with right now in case the apocalypse starts tomorrow?
00:39:22.560 Should Trump and his minions?
00:39:24.300 Yes.
00:39:24.400 You know what?
00:39:24.840 Um, in the book, we have plenty of diagrams showing people how to do things like how to build your fallout shelter.
00:39:33.840 And we, um, used Microsoft Paint and we actually drew an entire fallout shelter and how it's cut out into the hill.
00:39:41.840 And so it's, like, things like a trap door so people will fall on spikes.
00:39:48.780 Dead.
00:39:49.880 A sphinx that asks you riddles.
00:39:52.520 So they try to get through the sphinx.
00:39:55.880 You can't answer the riddles.
00:39:57.280 You can't get in my bunker.
00:39:58.660 A labyrinth with a minotaur in it.
00:40:02.240 And he also, do minotaurs ask riddles?
00:40:07.100 I forget.
00:40:09.100 I haven't read it.
00:40:10.080 I think they say the answer to a riddle and you're supposed to come up with a riddle.
00:40:14.660 Oh, it's like Jeopardy.
00:40:16.580 Okay.
00:40:17.300 So was there anything that they will get from this book that they couldn't get from watching Home Alone?
00:40:29.540 No, but, but I, if, but it would be good if you could, oh, but Trump is in the Home Alone franchise.
00:40:41.060 So you can't watch Home Alone.
00:40:42.240 I'm so sorry.
00:40:42.840 So you can read our book, Trump Free.
00:40:46.240 I mean, there's stuff about Trump in it, but he's not, Trump does not endorse it the way he endorses the Home Alone franchise.
00:40:52.540 Yes.
00:40:53.100 He's the antagonist in the apocalypse, in your apocalypse book.
00:40:56.080 Yes, exactly.
00:40:56.760 Well, I do encourage everyone, the Babylon Bee Guide to the Apocalypse, but most importantly, just to know what's at stake, and you have to watch this before the election, January 6th, the most deadliest day.
00:41:10.020 The most deadliest day.
00:41:13.000 Where can people find that and, you know, share it with their friends?
00:41:16.620 They can go to babylonbee.com slash January 6th and trigger warning, like it's got all the bad stuff in it.
00:41:24.400 Walking, parading, general rowdiness, all kinds of things that happen in the Capitol that day.
00:41:29.460 So we, we don't pull any punches.
00:41:31.160 So put the kids to bed before you watch, but babylonbee.com slash January 6th, and you can sign up and watch the film.
00:41:38.020 Garth, thank you so much.
00:41:39.460 Thank you.
00:41:45.760 Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation.
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