Women are responding to Donald Trump's victory by vowing to boycott men. So what is this 4B feminist movement? Is it really taking over young women in America? What does it mean? We will also be looking at some other reactions to Trump's win on today's episode of Relatable.
00:14:59.860I personally think that if all of these men are voting to take our rights away, they don't deserve to touch a woman for the next four years.
00:15:06.620So, hope you thought that through, you guys.
00:16:12.560And they have to just beat them off with a stick and say, no, I will not, because I am protesting Donald Trump's existence and that 55% of you men voted for Donald Trump.
00:16:31.500They're referring to the fact that, according to NBC, Trump won 55% of men and 45% of women.
00:16:39.860So because the majority, which is not even that much of a majority, but the majority of men voted for Donald Trump and they've got to boycott all men.
00:16:48.860And even among, uh, even among young voters, 18 to 29, and so Gen Z, Trump won 42% of those voters.
00:17:01.300This is up six percentage points from 2020, by the way, but specifically among men, he won 49% of those voters versus 47% for Harris.
00:17:15.840And so even there, he got a larger share of Gen Z men than Harris did.
00:17:22.440And then you've got that gray area in there who did not vote, uh, for either candidate.
00:17:28.740And so the feminists are upset, upset by all of this.
00:17:32.940I think it's really incredible that so many young men did vote for Trump.
00:17:37.200I think that that number should be higher.
00:17:39.980And I think that we can even get those young women, but that's what all of these people are reacting to.
00:17:45.460And the Washington Post actually has a piece about this 4B feminist movement and reaction.
00:17:51.600And they asked this USC professor, uh, what he thinks about this.
00:17:56.240And he said, Trump was explicitly appealing to young male voters during his campaign.
00:18:01.620Meanwhile, American women see that young men are voting for this conservative candidate who was threatening their bodily autonomy.
00:18:11.360And so that is where all of the sadness and anger is coming, is coming from.
00:18:17.920So let's talk a little bit more about this 4B movement, where it comes from, what it is.
00:18:25.420Is it really going to catch on here in the United States?
00:18:29.300Is this something that is remotely justified?
00:18:32.280So this is according to, there's a few outlets that have covered this, the Telegraph, the Week, the Cut, over the past few years.
00:18:42.800The 4B movement began in South Korea in 2019 from a number of previous online feminist movements, including something called Escape the Corset movement.
00:18:53.260They called for women to liberate themselves from sexual, social, bodily, and psychological oppression.
00:19:00.400And this was along with South Korea's Me Too campaign.
00:19:04.180As with other South Korean digital feminist movements, one noteworthy aspect of the 4B movement is that its members frequently refer to themselves as anonymous women.
00:19:14.520So it really started as kind of like an online forum for women to freely discuss how to navigate and imagine life without men and create a sense of solidarity among women.
00:19:25.280So really, it's like a female in-cell movement.
00:19:27.740Like, if you know what involuntary celibacy is in-cell, that typically refers to these men online who really hate women.
00:19:38.280And they have their own online forums, whether it's on Reddit or whether it's 4chan.
00:19:45.060A lot of times they're described as right-wing men, but I don't think that's necessarily true.
00:19:50.280I think it spans the political spectrum and what unites them is that these young men feel like they have been unjustifiably rejected by women.
00:20:01.480And so they comfort themselves by, instead of, you know, evaluating their own faults and weaknesses, they chastise and castigate women and demean and degrade women.
00:20:17.160They will say that women are stupid, that women shouldn't be able to vote, that all women are sexually promiscuous, that they're not useful in any way.
00:20:28.380And, of course, many of these young men are porn addicted and extremely violent, at least in their rhetoric.
00:20:36.680And so it's a small percentage of people, but certainly that has existed and grown over the past several years online.
00:20:44.800Well, this is the female version of that.
00:20:47.520Both of these groups like to imagine what the world would be like without the opposite sex.
00:20:53.000Of course, like this kind of thing goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden, the enmity between male and female and even the power struggle between husband and wife.
00:21:05.440That is fundamental in our sin nature.
00:21:10.480This is a manifestation of brokenness, and that's why the Christian depiction of marriage, as we see in Ephesians 5, is so beautiful, because husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
00:21:25.340And wives are called to submit to their husbands as to the Lord.
00:21:28.520And so both are called to a form of sacrifice that is supposed to be reflective of this eternal gospel reality of Christ and the church.
00:21:38.240You know, at the time, the call for husbands to love their wives in this self-sacrificial, self-denying way was radical in that culture.
00:21:47.720The call for wives to submit to their husbands wasn't radical because it was a patriarchal society and not in a good sense at all, in a sense that men were really seen as the only valuable, fully valuable members of society, the only members that could truly contribute to society.
00:22:08.140And so for a husband to be told that you must be faithful to and serve your wife, that was radical at the time and really revolutionary for society and really created a different dynamic in marriage and a different example in marriage in which the husband, yes, was leading his wife, but loving and serving and cherishing his wife as Christ loves and serves and cherishes his church.
00:22:37.680And so marriage today still is this radical and revolutionary counter to the world's constant struggle between male and female and constant rejection of God's order and design and purpose for men and women.
00:22:59.080And so all of this is happening in light of that eternal reality as well.
00:23:07.700Now, this particular 4B movement is not organized.
00:23:17.700And so a lot of women in America that are talking about this online, because this really has a ton of traction among left-wing women, I think they believe that like all of South Korean women are like this, are not getting married.
00:23:45.780Defenders of this group and movement point to South Korea's 41.5% incidence rate of intimate partner violence in a 2016 study compared to the 30% global average.
00:23:58.560So there may be some legitimate issues in South Korea and how women are treated.
00:24:05.580I am not trying to belittle those real problems that may exist at all.
00:24:12.780I'm just saying that the attempt to mimic some kind of radical feminist movement here in America, not only is it not justified, but I think it's just silly and counterproductive.
00:24:24.540Also, this is in light of and maybe has contributed to in some way South Korea's dropping birth rate.
00:24:33.500It has the lowest birth rate in the world.
00:24:35.660In 2018, it dipped below the symbolic figure of one baby per woman for the first time and fell again to just 0.87 in 2019, well below the 2.1 requirement to maintain a stable population.
00:24:48.900And so, I mean, just economically, that is absolutely disastrous.
00:24:53.740South Korea is a beautiful country and it needs children to survive.
00:24:59.800Every country needs children to survive, but it also just makes you better people.
00:26:07.860All of us have had those customer service experiences that are terrible, not only because they aren't even connecting you to a human being,
00:26:17.040but sometimes when they do, there's such a language barrier, and it's just so confusing and complex and burdensome.
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00:26:41.800One TikToker who posted something on the app that has over 900,000 likes, oh my gosh,
00:26:55.840she says that the 4B movement is women giving up on men and preferring to go extinct because 55% of them voted for Donald Trump.
00:27:05.220This is also just what happens when you exchange the God of Scripture for the God of self.
00:27:11.180You are willing to sacrifice everything on the altar of your politics, on the altar of your feelings.
00:27:18.660And not only the baby inside your womb are you willing to sacrifice on behalf of your own wants, but your own self.
00:27:25.800I mean, it is such a self-destructive and dehumanizing ideology.
00:27:32.000And what's the difference, by the way, like if you think men in the patriarchy are out to kill you and you are also out to kill yourself,
00:27:39.860like what is the fight over if both ends in female extinction here?
00:27:45.100Feminist outlet Mamma Mia, this is very depraved and explicit, so just be warned,
00:27:54.940says that we've officially reached a point in history where sex toy technology is so advanced we can literally simulate sex along with any sex act we desire growth.
00:28:02.980This is so much like the male in-cell movement that they are promoting like the use of sex robots and sex dolls and all of this stuff.
00:28:12.300But again, the Christian understands that sex is not just a physical act, that it is also like the binding of the body, the heart, and the soul.
00:28:25.360That's why it is so difficult and so heartbreaking and reaps so many consequences when sex is outside of marriage.
00:28:34.820And women especially are negatively impacted by that, no matter how many women online might try to claim that they can have sex with tons of guys and it doesn't affect them at all.
00:28:46.760I mean, sure, it's possible for your heart to become calloused, for you to have a heart of stone.
00:28:52.520And so you have convinced yourself that that kind of thing doesn't affect you.
00:28:56.980But of course, that's not what the body is for.
00:29:08.240Sex is this beautiful gift that he intended exclusively for one man and one woman in the context of marriage that can potentially, by his blessing, bear the fruit of children.
00:29:22.680What a beautiful way to create the bedrock of society, which is the family, husband, wife, mom, dad, and children.
00:29:34.100But when sex is taken outside of that context, it is always going to have consequences.
00:29:40.720And that includes when you are simulating it with this kind of technology that will never actually replace the intimacy that your heart longs for.
00:29:54.860That's not going to give you camaraderie.
00:29:57.880That is not going to satisfy your internal longing to know and to be known.
00:30:03.760And marriage can satisfy that only so much.
00:30:06.560It's really, we can only find those things in Christ and the God who actually created us because only the one who created us can tell us who we are and what we're for.
00:30:18.960The article goes on to say that this has been on the rise for quite some time now, largely because women tend to glean far more meaningful emotional support, validation, and verbal affection from their friends and from their male partners.
00:30:37.700I don't even think that anyone is on the brink of doing that.
00:30:42.760I don't think that's like a huge problem that our country faces.
00:30:46.280But I know I have single women listening, so I don't want you to think that all of happiness and fulfillment exists within marriage and having kids because in Christ you can fully find those things and friendships are so important.
00:31:07.180But of course, they pale in comparison to my husband because my husband knows me and knows me so much better.
00:31:15.900My weaknesses and my weaknesses and my strengths than anyone else.
00:31:20.560And like, he is the father of my children.
00:31:23.460And so the beauty that he sees in me, the validation that he can give me is so much more profound than any of my friends can give me.
00:31:32.560And it should be that way, by the way.
00:31:35.080Like, he has seen everything that my body has had to go through to have our three beautiful children.
00:31:41.980And so the validation and the love and the affection that he shows me in light of the sacrifice that my body has made is like it's really, really meaningful in a way that no one else.
00:31:53.040It doesn't matter if anyone else gave me a compliment that it just doesn't carry the same kind of weight that my husband's does for me.
00:32:00.140And that is absolutely how it should be.
00:32:03.020So I almost think that just as this incel male movement is trying to trying to coddle themselves and trying to help themselves feel better by convincing themselves that they only need other dudes, I think this movement seems to be doing the same thing.
00:32:20.880And let me just, I just want to, like, disappoint you a little bit if you are convincing yourself that this girl power movement is really going to save you and that you are in solidarity with thousands or millions of women across the world that are sticking it to the patriarchy.
00:32:36.620Like, all of your friends that are in your group text claiming that they are going to be a part of this 4B movement, they're not deleting their wedding Pinterest boards.
00:32:58.980And as soon as they get a strapping guy that comes along, asks them on a date, opens the door for them and pays for their meals, they will forget feminism so fast.
00:33:11.880That is the, I would say, the majority of women.
00:33:15.220I know many women who in their college days fancied themselves liberal feminists and then they found a good Christian guy who set them straight in a lot of ways and influenced them in a really good way.
00:33:27.400Didn't force them to think anything and didn't belittle them or demean them in any way.
00:33:32.260Actually respected their intellect and their opinions a whole lot.
00:33:35.260But just by how he lived his life and the things he said, like, led these women in a better direction.
00:33:46.660But also, on the other hand, is what I meant to say, I don't really recommend that men, like, find a liberal woman to then date and marry because I think that could cause problems.
00:33:59.280But I do see that Gen Z being more conservative on the male end of things.
00:34:06.360I think that that does bode well for women because the desire that all women have, that most women have as kids to get married and to have children, to take care of our dolls and to channel our natural nurturing towards children.
00:34:22.960And that doesn't just go away because culture changes or because 55 percent of men voted for Donald Trump.
00:34:29.660Like, most women are still going to be looking for that.
00:34:34.780We've had Brad Wilcox on a couple of times.
00:34:37.140He is the head of the Family and Marriage Institute, I think is what it's called.
00:34:44.740It is not in my document at the University of Virginia.
00:34:48.520And so he studies and publishes a lot of work on the importance of marriage and family and how it actually leads to happiness and satisfaction among men and women.
00:34:58.220And this is from his book, Get Married.
00:35:00.480He said married men and women say they are happier and have more meaningful lives than their single peers.
00:35:05.660In 2021, 60 percent of married mothers ages 18 to 55 reported that their lives were meaningful most or all of the time.
00:35:13.900Only 36 percent of single childless women of the same ages said their lives were that meaningful.
00:35:20.660Looking again at women ages 18 to 55, 75 percent of married mothers reported in 2022 that they were either completely or somewhat satisfied with their lives compared to 54 percent of single childless women.
00:35:36.760So it's just a it's just a lie that, oh, these married women that they are feeling so oppressed and so trapped.
00:35:45.040Of course, I mean, there are women in bad marriages.
00:35:47.500I'm not saying that that doesn't exist.
00:35:49.660But in general, marriage and having children actually leads to overall satisfaction in your life.
00:35:57.960Lou in Alaska, she's someone that I followed on X for a long time.
00:36:02.680She said the unhinged left, I hope every Republican woman gets pregnant with a baby she has to raise all of my conservative female friends.
00:36:15.120I mean, also, don't threaten us with a good time that you are considering only having sex with the man that you are one day married to.
00:36:26.200Like, I am happy for you if you are no longer having, like, promiscuous sex with guys, with one night stands, guys that you meet on dating apps, your boyfriend.
00:36:41.340So if this leads you to not having sex and then maybe one day you meet a Christian guy and you wait to have sex before you get married, I am happy for you.
00:36:57.340I was on a podcast and I was asked, like, if you could change one thing in the culture today that you think would help us go in the right direction, what would it be?
00:37:10.020And this was apparently a surprising answer.
00:37:12.480And I said I would get rid of sex outside of marriage.
00:37:15.580I think if you got rid of sex outside of marriage, you would end most societal problems that we face today.
00:37:37.160And so thank you, 4B ladies, for helping contribute to that.
00:37:41.140It's not really all that surprising that we have a subset of women who are acting in very dramatic fashion to Donald Trump winning.
00:37:49.620But guess what? Here's just like what a couple of things I want to say to the women who might find themselves genuinely scared of Donald Trump's presidency.
00:38:36.500So that means that if it is so important to you, woman, to live in a place where you can have an abortion, if that is really as important as you people think that it is, which I think is sick and depraved, then you can move to a state that allows it.
00:38:52.440You know, there are eight states that tragically allow abortion through all nine months.
00:39:00.380If you think that this is the most fundamental issue, the greatest issue, then why don't you flee like a refugee to California or to Washington or to Oregon or to Illinois or to New York?
00:39:15.260If this is so important to you, is it really that hard for you to leave Arkansas and to move over a few states to New Mexico?
00:39:22.560I mean, we have people that try to flee North Korea to try to find a place that will protect their fundamental rights.
00:39:31.980And you can't even make a road trip from Arkansas to Missouri, where they now, unfortunately, will allow abortion through all nine months.
00:39:42.060So I don't believe you when you say it's that important, like if you're not even willing to move within your own country for that so-called right to choose.
00:39:57.620And more importantly, think about the fact that those babies that you are crying and dying to kill are human beings with rights.
00:40:07.700But maybe now, because hopefully there will be fewer women having sex outside of marriage, maybe there will be fewer surprise and unwanted pregnancies.
00:44:11.040Well, it seems like enough women cared more about the price of their groceries and the safety of their children than the ability to kill their child.
00:45:27.600Let's see who makes the better argument.
00:45:30.380Now, what she means by that is that women who have maybe fewer degrees, but we know in this country, because of the state of academia, that the number of degrees you have is not necessarily an indication of how smart you are.
00:45:48.520It is certainly not an indication of how wise you are.
00:45:53.500Like I or anyone in my audience, I would put up against any of the ladies on The View any day, and we could all get out our popcorn, and we would have a really good time.
00:46:58.660And actually, if you are less likely to see that men can't become women, the more degrees you have, maybe actually you're getting dumber every year that you continue to go to school.
00:47:17.120But, of course, white women always have to be the scapegoat because the majority of white women, a slim majority, but the majority of white women did vote for Donald Trump.
00:47:28.700And I will happily take credit for my tiny part in ensuring that Christians of all different races are voting for Donald Trump, but the majority of my audience is white women.
00:47:44.300And so I did my small part in this, and I am happy that it made Joy Reid angry.
00:47:52.760If you can't flip enough white women, and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state where you've got a six-week abortion or a 12-week abortion.
00:48:03.260But it's a state where women lost their reproductive rights, where there was a very heavy push to get women to focus on not putting in place, you know, reelecting, putting back into the White House,
00:48:14.640the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring them.
00:48:18.400But that message, obviously, was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice President Harris, a fellow woman.
00:48:28.560Yeah, because a lot of us don't want to vote on abortion.
00:48:33.680Like, when you say you're voting for women or you're voting for your daughters and you're talking about the right to kill our daughters and our granddaughters, that's just not a convincing case.
00:49:36.420Again, if you want to get an abortion, you can, unfortunately, still go to several states where that is fully legal, in some cases through all nine months of pregnancy.
00:49:48.260And so, no, it just wasn't very appealing.
00:49:53.660And Kamala Harris did everything she could to go after that white woman vote.
00:49:57.120I mean, I wonder how Kate Cox feels right now that you used your dead child that you traveled out of the state to kill because that child had special needs.
00:50:09.960Like, you used her to try to win elections, both Kamala's election and Colin Allred's election for nothing.
00:50:46.400It was a terrible night for women, for children, for the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this country go.
00:50:53.520Um, for health care, for our climate, for science, for journalism, for justice, for free speech.
00:51:05.440It was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class, for seniors who rely on Social Security, for our allies in Ukraine, for NATO, for the truth.
00:52:18.720And they want illegal immigrants to be deported, too, because many of them did it the right way.
00:52:24.460They want their process to be honored.
00:52:26.780They want citizenship to actually mean something.
00:52:29.720They want to protect their border communities that are being absolutely ransacked and ruined by the violence of the cartels and the trafficking that is incentivized by open borders.
00:52:40.120And they know that Kamala Harris was the border czar and allowed that to happen.
00:52:49.500I would also love to wonder, these liberals, like Jimmy Kimmel, who said this was a bad night for poor people, I would love to know how much you donate to charity to help poor people every year.
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