Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1100 ｜ Secret Senate Votes, Sophia Bush & Our Pro-Life Future

00:00:00.680 The results are in from the secret vote that was conducted this morning in the Senate for

00:00:07.060 the Senate leader.

00:00:08.600 We will talk about that.

00:00:10.560 President Trump is in D.C. talking with Joe Biden about their transition.

00:00:15.940 Also, we've got Lila Rose here to discuss the future of the pro-life movement now that

00:00:21.440 Trump is in office.

00:00:22.440 And we will also talk about my exchange with Sophia Bush, the actress on Instagram.

00:00:29.580 Yikes.

00:00:30.000 We've got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable.

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00:00:47.760 Hey, guys.

00:00:48.660 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:50.380 Happy Wednesday.

00:00:51.320 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:53.420 I'm so excited about my conversation with Lila.

00:00:55.960 But first, I just want to give you an update on what's happening in Washington, D.C., both

00:01:00.780 with Donald Trump meeting with Joe Biden and in this Senate process.

00:01:04.760 So, as you know, Republicans got a Republican trifecta.

00:01:09.420 They've got the White House.

00:01:10.860 They've got Congress and or they've got the House and they've got the Senate, which hopefully

00:01:15.560 means that they can get a lot of stuff done.

00:01:17.480 And one of the most important things Donald Trump can get done is get his appointments,

00:01:21.840 his nominees through.

00:01:23.240 But that really depends on the effectiveness and the cooperation of the Senate leader.

00:01:32.080 Senate Republicans met this morning to elect their new leader to replace Senator Mitch McConnell.

00:01:37.780 He stepped down from party leadership after an 18-year run, making him the longest serving

00:01:44.820 leader in Senate history.

00:01:46.580 GOP Senator John Thune of South Dakota won the vote.

00:01:51.600 He beat Texas Senator John Cornyn on the second round of voting.

00:01:56.960 And he also beat out Rick Scott.

00:01:59.620 Rick Scott was seen as kind of the underdog.

00:02:02.320 He was a little bit of the outside pick.

00:02:04.440 He is a Republican senator from Florida.

00:02:06.840 He was also seen as the MAGA pick.

00:02:09.340 This is the person who in the MAGA world and in the MAGA media world was highly favored

00:02:18.220 because he is seen as most in alignment with Trump's agenda and most enthusiastic about

00:02:25.640 pushing Donald Trump's agenda through the Senate.

00:02:30.140 And so a lot of people are disappointed about this, that John Thune won.

00:02:35.060 We'll talk a little bit more about who he is and what his record is, some good things, why

00:02:40.900 people are concerned.

00:02:42.080 But let me talk a little bit about this secret ballot process that people were upset about.

00:02:47.660 A lot of people wanted this to be a public vote.

00:02:50.100 So you should know whom your senator actually voted for.

00:02:55.120 I mean, you voted for this senator to represent you.

00:02:59.240 And so a lot of people are saying, well, it shouldn't be a secret ballot vote like what

00:03:04.600 it was this morning, but this should be transparent.

00:03:07.200 I should know whom he supported.

00:03:09.280 I should be able to call him and pressure him to vote for the person to be the leader

00:03:16.480 that I want to be the leader.

00:03:18.260 But if it's a secret vote, they don't have a whole lot of accountability or incentive to

00:03:23.040 be able to vote for the person that their constituents want.

00:03:25.620 Tucker Carlson sounded the alarm about this just the other day.

00:03:29.960 He said, what the H is going on in the U.S. Senate hours after Donald Trump wins the most

00:03:34.860 conclusive mandate in 40 years?

00:03:36.460 Mitch McConnell engineers a coup.

00:03:38.300 He calls it a coup.

00:03:39.320 This is his perspective against his agenda by calling early leadership elections in the

00:03:43.840 Senate.

00:03:44.240 Two of the three candidates hate Trump and what he ran on.

00:03:47.560 He's talking about Thune and Cornyn.

00:03:49.440 One of them, John Cornyn, is an angry liberal whose politics are indistinguishable from Liz Cheney's.

00:03:54.280 Liz Cheney is the Republican congresswoman that campaigned with Kamala Harris, who has

00:03:59.720 always hated Donald Trump.

00:04:01.180 The election is Wednesday.

00:04:02.300 It's by secret ballot, and it will determine whether or not the new administration succeeds.

00:04:06.480 Rick Scott of Florida is the only candidate who agrees with Donald Trump.

00:04:10.200 Call your senator and demand a public endorsement of Rick Scott.

00:04:13.560 Don't let McConnell get away with it again.

00:04:16.320 Now, McConnell was very instrumental in pushing Donald Trump's nominees through the Senate,

00:04:22.860 but he is also seen, obviously, as an establishment type who is not really a part of the MAGA world.

00:04:30.580 Thune will be the majority leader for the next two years come January.

00:04:34.640 He has held his Senate seat since 2005.

00:04:37.760 He does have, and this is a great thing, of course, an A-plus score in the Susan B.

00:04:42.760 Anthony pro-life scorecard.

00:04:45.380 Thune is generally seen as a traditional conservative Republican,

00:04:49.340 but he's kind of more in alignment with establishment positions on fiscal policy, foreign policy.

00:04:56.860 He did not vote to convict Trump during either of his impeachment trials,

00:05:00.620 but has been critical of his more America-first policies.

00:05:06.360 According to the Heritage Action Foundation, Thune has a 62 percent lifetime conservative voting score,

00:05:14.900 which is not all that great.

00:05:17.740 Of course, the candidate with the highest score was Rick Scott.

00:05:22.900 And so that's why some people are frustrated about this.

00:05:26.840 Those in Trump's orbit, like Peter Navarro, former White House aide,

00:05:31.900 have questioned whether Trump's cabinet nominees would get confirmed.

00:05:37.160 If John Thune is a leader, of course, which he is, he was wondering this a few days ago,

00:05:43.060 or if John Cornyn would be able to get them through, he said there's 4,000 appointments

00:05:49.560 that have to be fulfilled.

00:05:50.840 A thousand of those are Senate confirmed.

00:05:52.920 And four years of Mitch McConnell, who was the puppeteer for Thune and Cornyn,

00:05:57.100 we didn't get half of those.

00:05:59.280 And so I mentioned that the judge appointments were pushed through by McConnell,

00:06:03.540 and that was very instrumental.

00:06:04.860 But Peter Navarro was saying, actually, we didn't get as many appointments through as we should have.

00:06:10.060 And he says that Mitch McConnell was more of an impediment than an instrument in helping Donald Trump.

00:06:16.780 Also note that House Republicans are holding their elections for House leaders today.

00:06:21.260 But House Speaker Mike Johnson is expected to be reelected.

00:06:25.980 John Thune said this.

00:06:27.420 He said, I'm extremely honored to have earned the support

00:06:30.280 of my colleagues to lead the Senate in the 119th Congress.

00:06:34.360 I am beyond proud of the work that we have done to secure our majority.

00:06:38.520 And the White House, this Republican team, is united behind President Trump's agenda.

00:06:43.980 And our work starts today.

00:06:45.600 Jesse Kelly pointed out something very true,

00:06:47.840 that if we don't like the leadership that we are getting,

00:06:50.920 all of this starts in the primary process.

00:06:53.100 If you live in a Republican state,

00:06:55.500 advocate for the primary candidate that you want,

00:06:58.380 because you can get pretty much any Republican over the finish line.

00:07:02.560 And so really try and work to get the candidate in that you want in the primary season.

00:07:09.620 Now, Trump is in D.C. to meet with Joe Biden in the Oval Office.

00:07:14.400 We've got a video of President Trump exiting his airplane, landing in D.C.

00:07:33.620 Now, Biden did not have to invite Trump to the White House.

00:07:37.780 Trump didn't have to come, but he did.

00:07:40.260 And I think that this is good.

00:07:41.820 But remember that Joe Biden has called Donald Trump a fascist.

00:07:46.820 And he said that we have to do whatever possible to stand against these MAGA extremists.

00:07:54.060 And so basically likening him to Hitler and his movement to Nazis,

00:07:58.980 he recently called Trump supporters garbage.

00:08:03.040 And so it is strange to see this kind of peaceful exchange.

00:08:06.640 There's a picture of them shaking hands.

00:08:10.120 And he said that he hopes for a smooth transition.

00:08:12.520 But either you lied when you said that he was a fascist

00:08:16.700 or you're lying now when you say that you want to hope for a smooth transition.

00:08:20.560 If you are lying when you and Harris said that he's a fascist,

00:08:25.620 that his supporters are like Hitler and Nazis, then maybe cool it.

00:08:29.020 Like if you don't really believe that, all you're doing is ratcheting up the hatred,

00:08:34.720 the temperature, the violence that causes the assassination attempts both on Donald Trump

00:08:39.860 and his supporters.

00:08:40.920 And that is a really evil thing to do.

00:08:44.020 So I hope you see, Democrats, that those who are calling Trump Hitler don't really believe that.

00:08:49.620 So you shouldn't believe it either because it is not true.

00:08:54.900 So that's what's happening in Washington, D.C.

00:08:57.800 Now with Lila Rose, we are going to talk about the future of the pro-life movement.

00:09:02.720 What does it look like now that we have Trump in office,

00:09:05.400 but we've lost, unfortunately, in several states?

00:09:08.340 What is the strategy going forward?

00:09:09.960 And yes, I will debunk some of the things that Sophia Bush said to me on Instagram.

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00:10:29.980 Lila, thanks so much for joining us again.

00:10:37.020 We've got so much to cover.

00:10:40.640 First, I want to talk about your endorsement of Donald Trump.

00:10:44.700 This was a few days before the election.

00:10:47.080 You and I have talked about, you've talked a lot about previously,

00:10:50.540 some of your criticisms of his statements when it comes to abortion

00:10:56.680 and even his prescriptions when it comes to abortion policy.

00:11:00.680 So can you just give us a behind-the-scenes look of how you kind of worked that out?

00:11:06.120 How did you decide to endorse Trump?

00:11:09.800 Of course.

00:11:10.660 So as you guys, or as you know from your own show,

00:11:14.300 and following it on your show, Ali,

00:11:16.120 there have been some big changes in the Republican national platform

00:11:19.680 over the last few months since the RNC,

00:11:22.380 and then in the posture, really, of the Trump campaign.

00:11:25.220 And that's really where my criticisms resounded.

00:11:28.380 The fact that President Trump, unfortunately,

00:11:30.360 his efforts and his pressure on the platform

00:11:33.140 basically gutted the platform of pro-life protection.

00:11:36.540 So it used to have prohibitions of abortion

00:11:39.520 and mentioned abortion over 20 times.

00:11:41.880 Now it mentions abortion once or twice.

00:11:44.000 It put in things like birth control and IVF,

00:11:47.180 took out natural marriage,

00:11:49.280 the support by Republicans of a marriage between one man, one woman.

00:11:53.000 So all of these things were really concerning.

00:11:54.560 And then the posture of the campaign changed

00:11:56.840 and President Trump started saying things like

00:11:59.360 he supports reproductive rights,

00:12:01.240 he supports and J.D. Vance supports the Supreme Court

00:12:04.520 giving people access, they claim, to abortion pills.

00:12:07.680 That's not exactly what the Supreme Court decision even said,

00:12:09.720 but regardless, the statement in media was

00:12:11.580 we support access to abortion pills.

00:12:13.660 And then this government-funded IVF policy,

00:12:15.940 which was a new public policy that they announced

00:12:19.140 during the campaign in just the few weeks before Election Day.

00:12:21.760 So I was very critical of these moves

00:12:24.260 as it is my responsibility as a pro-life advocate.

00:12:27.640 And there were really thousands of other pro-life advocates,

00:12:30.400 including many leaders and people in media

00:12:32.800 who were also very critical.

00:12:34.660 And I think that criticism was absolutely essential,

00:12:37.380 including the threat of what those positions would do

00:12:40.740 to the vote on Election Day.

00:12:42.440 Because you can't alienate your base

00:12:45.020 and expect your base to be extremely galvanized

00:12:46.760 and excited to come out and vote for you.

00:12:49.760 And some of Trump's strongest base

00:12:52.800 has been pro-life Americans.

00:12:54.800 So that was where my criticism was.

00:12:57.140 And I was part of a pressure campaign to say,

00:13:00.060 you have to change course on this.

00:13:01.920 And this is not the way to go.

00:13:03.600 This is not just, this is not going to help

00:13:06.100 unborn Americans and the future of this country.

00:13:08.540 And there was a little bit of change in the campaign.

00:13:11.040 I think there were some small wins

00:13:12.740 that we had from that pressure campaign.

00:13:15.780 But now we have a lot more of a pressure campaign to do.

00:13:18.780 A like on Amendment 4 in Florida,

00:13:20.300 that was something that was troubling to so many of us

00:13:22.600 when Trump said, you know,

00:13:23.940 he really didn't know how he was going to vote

00:13:25.780 on Amendment 4.

00:13:26.980 Of course, that would have guaranteed abortion

00:13:28.680 through all nine months in the state of Florida,

00:13:30.700 which has had and still has, thankfully,

00:13:34.480 this heartbeat law.

00:13:36.140 And so that was disturbing to a lot of us pro-lifers.

00:13:39.240 And you spoke out against this.

00:13:40.760 You took so much heat from some conservatives,

00:13:44.700 from a lot of MAGA people criticizing you,

00:13:48.640 basically being like, look, he's got the,

00:13:51.020 he's the best that we've got.

00:13:53.160 And so just stop critiquing him.

00:13:55.460 But you obviously did not listen to those attempts

00:14:00.300 to try to silence you.

00:14:02.300 Were you able to, during this time,

00:14:04.180 as you were speaking up about his comments

00:14:06.120 about Amendment 4,

00:14:07.280 were you able to talk to anyone on Trump's team?

00:14:11.040 Were you able to communicate them

00:14:12.500 to actually get your message to Donald Trump?

00:14:16.500 Yeah, so it's great you bring up Amendment 4

00:14:18.680 because I think that really is the win

00:14:20.240 on the pro-life side

00:14:21.340 with us expressing our concern about these positions.

00:14:24.260 And he said, you know, Amendment 4

00:14:26.440 and the heartbeat law,

00:14:27.740 which is, you know, is the law in Florida,

00:14:30.300 didn't have enough weeks,

00:14:31.720 meaning President Trump was indicating

00:14:32.980 that there needs to be more abortion legal

00:14:35.180 beyond the heartbeat being able to be detected

00:14:37.700 of the baby to take the life of that child.

00:14:39.780 And Amendment 4,

00:14:40.560 this was kind of his criticism of it,

00:14:42.260 would allow the heartbeat law to be repealed

00:14:45.360 and he doesn't like the heartbeat law.

00:14:46.880 So that was where we were really concerned.

00:14:48.480 Is he going to come out against Governor DeSantis,

00:14:50.660 you know, a Republican governor

00:14:51.780 who's very popular, very strong,

00:14:53.840 fighting against Amendment 4.

00:14:55.800 Is now the GOP nominee

00:14:58.000 going to come out for Amendment 4?

00:15:00.180 I mean, it would have been horrible.

00:15:01.640 And that's what he was indicating.

00:15:03.180 So yes, you're like you said,

00:15:04.280 he changed course.

00:15:04.940 He said, no, he's going to vote

00:15:05.760 against Amendment 4.

00:15:06.740 And then the pro-life side prevailed in Florida

00:15:08.760 and defeated Amendment 4

00:15:10.120 thanks to the leadership of Ron DeSantis.

00:15:12.100 And I think President Trump saying

00:15:14.120 that he was against it,

00:15:14.920 I think that did help the win in Florida.

00:15:17.420 I did have the opportunity

00:15:18.440 to be in touch with the campaign.

00:15:20.440 I did have the opportunity

00:15:21.260 to sit down with President Trump

00:15:22.780 and talk with him about

00:15:24.140 our disagreements on abortion.

00:15:25.860 And he was very generous with his time.

00:15:27.900 We were able to talk for a couple hours.

00:15:30.020 And I think that there was,

00:15:31.640 you know, I think there's an openness

00:15:33.080 to hearing other perspectives

00:15:34.560 on the campaign, which is really rare.

00:15:36.680 I certainly wasn't sitting down

00:15:37.720 with Kamala Harris's campaign.

00:15:39.540 There's hardcore pro-abortion,

00:15:41.060 as we all know.

00:15:41.980 And I think that, you know,

00:15:43.160 he understood that this was a red line

00:15:45.060 that for pro-life he shouldn't cross.

00:15:47.080 And that's why I believe

00:15:48.080 he did come out in support

00:15:49.300 of the pro-life side

00:15:50.620 when it came to Amendment 4.

00:15:52.420 You know, Ali,

00:15:52.980 we have a ton of work to do.

00:15:54.020 That's the reality.

00:15:54.880 The pro-life movement

00:15:55.480 has a ton of work to do.

00:15:57.120 Changing hearts and minds,

00:15:58.460 working the state fight,

00:15:59.400 and working the federal fight

00:16:00.600 to protect life.

00:16:01.280 And I'm very hopeful

00:16:02.860 that Trump's administration,

00:16:04.960 despite some of their

00:16:06.100 abortion-supporting stances

00:16:07.900 that he's had,

00:16:08.920 that they will be friendly

00:16:10.360 to pro-life appointments

00:16:12.220 that will make a big difference

00:16:13.580 in the administration.

00:16:14.320 So that's really where

00:16:15.480 our focus is at Live Action,

00:16:17.000 along with our primary focus,

00:16:18.740 which is changing hearts and minds.

00:16:20.440 And, you know, you're right.

00:16:21.300 I did take a lot of heat

00:16:22.500 from, you know,

00:16:23.360 very passionate Trump supporters.

00:16:25.360 But I think there's something

00:16:26.140 called loyal opposition

00:16:27.200 or friendly opposition,

00:16:28.180 where it's our job

00:16:29.900 to speak up for what's right.

00:16:31.640 And it wasn't to say

00:16:33.120 President Trump's bad

00:16:34.440 or that, you know,

00:16:35.440 you should go vote

00:16:36.020 for Kamala Harris.

00:16:36.740 That was never, of course,

00:16:37.680 part of the messaging,

00:16:38.560 never part of the, you know,

00:16:40.020 the cry for what we should do.

00:16:41.600 It was more that we need to urge

00:16:43.460 the Republican Party

00:16:44.940 to not give up on life and marriage.

00:16:46.960 And sometimes that is threatening

00:16:49.020 the vote to say,

00:16:49.800 if you're going to make

00:16:51.860 all of these compromises,

00:16:53.320 you're going to kill your base.

00:16:54.400 Don't do it.

00:16:55.520 And I do think that can be effective.

00:16:57.200 And I do think we had some wins

00:16:59.540 during the campaign.

00:17:01.600 Yeah.

00:17:01.840 You know, that's something

00:17:02.540 that I've been thinking about

00:17:03.660 and talking about some

00:17:04.720 since Trump won the election

00:17:07.000 was what is the role

00:17:08.220 of conservative Christians,

00:17:09.960 pro-lifers like you and me,

00:17:11.860 now that we have won?

00:17:13.580 Because we've got this new coalition

00:17:15.200 of Republicans.

00:17:16.280 The change in the platform

00:17:17.640 kind of reflects that.

00:17:18.740 I agree with you

00:17:19.980 that I don't like

00:17:20.740 any of those changes

00:17:21.560 to the platform.

00:17:22.360 We have brought in people

00:17:24.360 to the benefit

00:17:25.780 of the Republican Party

00:17:27.480 like Joe Rogan,

00:17:29.500 like RFK Jr.,

00:17:31.240 like Tulsi Gabbard.

00:17:32.880 And it's good in the sense

00:17:34.220 that it helps us win elections.

00:17:35.700 It brings more people

00:17:36.780 over to our side.

00:17:38.040 But of course,

00:17:38.860 we don't want

00:17:39.500 the Republican Party

00:17:40.380 to go the way

00:17:41.200 of the conservative party

00:17:42.540 in Canada or the UK,

00:17:44.160 which is really not conservative

00:17:45.760 in any sense,

00:17:46.780 very pro-choice.

00:17:48.200 We want to be anchors.

00:17:49.800 We want to use

00:17:51.140 the power of persuasion

00:17:52.540 to bring those people

00:17:54.540 in the MAGA camp,

00:17:56.000 the center-center-left people

00:17:57.620 that are now a part

00:17:58.440 of the Republican Party

00:17:59.460 over to our side.

00:18:02.580 As you were meeting

00:18:03.740 with Donald Trump,

00:18:05.040 and, you know,

00:18:05.600 I don't know what you can say

00:18:07.080 about that meeting.

00:18:08.000 It's fine if there are things

00:18:09.080 that are confidential,

00:18:10.000 of course.

00:18:10.640 But did you feel

00:18:12.760 any hesitance

00:18:14.960 or resistance

00:18:15.960 as you were explaining,

00:18:17.440 okay, this is what

00:18:18.740 an abortion is.

00:18:19.720 This is why it's so important

00:18:20.840 to be fully pro-life.

00:18:23.140 What was kind of the sense

00:18:24.500 that you had

00:18:25.100 as you were talking with him?

00:18:27.120 I mean, to be very candid,

00:18:28.860 the sense that I had

00:18:29.700 was that there weren't

00:18:30.560 a lot of folks

00:18:31.420 that are in his most inner circle

00:18:33.760 that are willing

00:18:35.300 to speak very candidly

00:18:36.700 and say,

00:18:37.420 abortion is always wrong.

00:18:39.180 Abortion takes the life

00:18:40.020 of an innocent child.

00:18:40.820 It's always wrong.

00:18:41.540 It should never be permitted

00:18:42.280 under law,

00:18:42.860 and we should fully reject it

00:18:44.160 as a society,

00:18:44.980 that this is an innocent life,

00:18:46.300 whether they're conceived

00:18:47.260 in violence,

00:18:47.960 whether they're only

00:18:48.860 six weeks old

00:18:49.900 and their little heart

00:18:50.640 is just beating.

00:18:51.640 It doesn't matter.

00:18:52.680 This is a human being

00:18:53.560 and they deserve

00:18:54.100 to not be killed.

00:18:54.960 And so that was my position

00:18:56.760 and I was, you know,

00:18:57.480 showing videos to the president.

00:18:58.940 I was talking with him

00:18:59.660 about the pro-life position

00:19:01.200 and why we believe

00:19:01.980 what we believe

00:19:02.480 and why this is not

00:19:03.380 just a religious matter

00:19:04.600 or a conservative matter,

00:19:05.620 but that this is

00:19:06.160 a human rights issue.

00:19:07.640 And, you know,

00:19:08.440 there were some moments there

00:19:09.660 where I think there

00:19:10.460 was a sense that

00:19:11.560 this was not a message

00:19:12.440 that he hears a lot.

00:19:13.620 And there was even surprise

00:19:15.180 about the IVF mandate

00:19:16.320 that this would be something

00:19:17.260 that pro-lifers

00:19:17.960 would have a concern about

00:19:19.080 or those that were worried

00:19:20.400 about the protection of life

00:19:21.420 would even be concerned

00:19:22.320 about the IVF mandate.

00:19:23.640 So I do think

00:19:24.680 it's really important

00:19:25.620 that we keep channels

00:19:26.580 of communication open

00:19:27.600 with those in government,

00:19:29.340 with, of course,

00:19:30.120 President Trump

00:19:30.680 and his campaign,

00:19:31.800 now his administration,

00:19:33.060 and that we don't

00:19:34.880 take it for granted

00:19:35.740 that, oh,

00:19:36.540 everybody knows

00:19:37.300 why we're pro-life

00:19:38.400 and why we believe

00:19:39.160 what we believe,

00:19:40.060 but that we take the time

00:19:41.200 to educate and explain it

00:19:42.660 to people again

00:19:43.440 and again and again.

00:19:44.500 Because keep in mind

00:19:45.440 the background

00:19:45.940 of someone like President Trump

00:19:47.160 and the background

00:19:47.680 of many Americans today.

00:19:48.920 They grew up in a country

00:19:50.340 and they operate in circles

00:19:52.400 that are very

00:19:52.980 in support of abortion.

00:19:54.140 It's baked in.

00:19:55.300 People think,

00:19:55.900 of course, pro-choice.

00:19:57.020 It's women's empowerment.

00:19:58.160 People don't realize

00:19:58.960 what abortion is

00:19:59.860 and realize that

00:20:01.200 it is possible

00:20:01.920 to ban abortion.

00:20:03.580 It is possible

00:20:04.180 to have a pro-life society.

00:20:05.700 And that is a better society.

00:20:07.580 I think that's a new vision

00:20:09.040 that we have to communicate

00:20:11.080 and take time

00:20:12.540 to patiently walk people through

00:20:14.140 to help win them over.

00:20:15.620 And so you mentioned,

00:20:16.440 you know,

00:20:16.640 Tulsi Gabbard and RFK

00:20:18.420 and some of these other folks

00:20:19.540 that have,

00:20:20.320 you know,

00:20:20.500 Elon Musk is another one

00:20:21.780 that President Trump

00:20:22.520 has surrounded himself with,

00:20:23.520 especially during the campaign.

00:20:24.840 And I think,

00:20:25.700 you know,

00:20:25.840 I'm really hopeful.

00:20:26.800 I'm really hopeful

00:20:27.760 that all of them

00:20:29.080 can become passionately pro-life

00:20:30.840 because I think

00:20:32.100 they're people of good reason

00:20:33.660 and they're people

00:20:34.380 who want to do the right thing.

00:20:35.660 That's my impression.

00:20:36.380 They've got good hearts.

00:20:37.540 They're obviously very talented.

00:20:39.040 My hope is that

00:20:39.800 they can come to see abortion

00:20:40.920 for what it is, Allie.

00:20:42.340 This is the killing of a baby.

00:20:43.840 It's never acceptable.

00:20:45.640 And a humane,

00:20:47.300 loving,

00:20:48.080 just society,

00:20:49.640 a civilization

00:20:50.260 that has a future

00:20:51.280 protects its children.

00:20:52.840 So I'm really hopeful

00:20:53.760 that we're going to see

00:20:54.580 more conversions

00:20:55.180 to life in the future.

00:20:56.800 Me too.

00:20:57.780 Me too.

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00:22:18.620 So one question

00:22:20.180 that you and I talked about

00:22:21.360 on your show was,

00:22:23.420 are we rewarding

00:22:24.840 the Republican Party

00:22:26.400 and their new platform

00:22:28.440 and the compromises

00:22:29.820 that we see them making

00:22:31.220 with our vote?

00:22:32.820 And if we continue

00:22:33.860 to do that,

00:22:35.300 are we helping

00:22:36.580 this negative

00:22:37.860 reformation

00:22:39.240 of the Republican side?

00:22:41.500 But at the same time,

00:22:42.780 we look over to the left

00:22:44.480 and we see

00:22:45.240 the bloodthirst

00:22:46.380 and the horror

00:22:47.200 of the current

00:22:48.280 Democratic Party

00:22:49.180 and certainly,

00:22:49.880 specifically,

00:22:50.500 someone like Kamala Harris

00:22:51.580 whose calling card

00:22:53.500 has been abortion

00:22:54.340 for decades.

00:22:55.800 So how did you

00:22:57.740 decide

00:22:59.060 to not only vote

00:23:00.320 for Donald Trump

00:23:01.100 but advocate

00:23:01.920 for voting

00:23:02.740 for Donald Trump

00:23:04.040 as you were wrestling

00:23:06.120 with that question

00:23:07.340 that we discussed

00:23:08.200 in the past?

00:23:10.220 Yeah,

00:23:10.500 I'll be honest,

00:23:11.360 Ali,

00:23:11.480 it was really tough

00:23:12.460 to,

00:23:13.320 it was one thing

00:23:14.080 to come out

00:23:14.860 and say,

00:23:15.320 I'm voting for Donald Trump.

00:23:16.240 It's another thing

00:23:16.820 to say,

00:23:17.800 you know,

00:23:18.140 everybody,

00:23:18.780 you have to vote

00:23:19.360 for Donald Trump.

00:23:20.160 And what I said was,

00:23:21.480 this is why I'm voting

00:23:22.160 for Donald Trump

00:23:22.960 and it's because

00:23:23.880 it's a vote against,

00:23:24.840 ultimately,

00:23:25.340 Kamala Harris

00:23:25.880 is completely destructive,

00:23:28.260 I would say,

00:23:29.700 even maniacal

00:23:30.500 pro-abortion agenda.

00:23:31.760 You know,

00:23:31.960 Kamala Harris

00:23:32.420 talked on the campaign trail

00:23:33.560 about how she would force

00:23:34.700 even doctors

00:23:36.100 and nurses

00:23:36.800 and hospitals

00:23:37.540 to participate

00:23:38.320 in abortions,

00:23:39.060 that she had no concessions,

00:23:40.620 she said specifically,

00:23:42.160 for conscience exceptions,

00:23:44.940 for people that

00:23:45.720 didn't support abortion

00:23:46.940 in healthcare.

00:23:47.840 And what that really means is,

00:23:49.320 if you're a nurse

00:23:50.040 and you refuse to

00:23:50.900 be part of killing a baby,

00:23:52.620 or you're a doctor

00:23:53.380 and you tell your patient,

00:23:54.380 I don't do that,

00:23:54.960 I need to refer you elsewhere,

00:23:56.700 you could lose your license.

00:23:57.960 It would destroy

00:23:58.880 our medical system

00:23:59.680 as we know it.

00:24:00.740 And so these are the sorts

00:24:01.520 of things that Kamala Harris,

00:24:02.600 and I know you know this,

00:24:03.360 were campaigning,

00:24:04.120 was campaigning on.

00:24:05.240 It was insane, right?

00:24:06.740 And so for me to come out

00:24:08.300 and say I'm going to vote

00:24:08.860 against Kamala Harris

00:24:09.700 by voting for Donald Trump,

00:24:11.180 yeah, there's a risk there, Ali.

00:24:12.680 Let's be real about it.

00:24:13.600 There's a risk that

00:24:14.480 the fact that pro-lifers

00:24:15.940 did come out for Donald Trump

00:24:17.080 on election day,

00:24:18.300 that there will be

00:24:19.280 bigger challenges

00:24:20.240 in the future

00:24:20.780 that we will face

00:24:21.560 because it's going to get more,

00:24:22.880 abortion's going to get

00:24:23.700 more baked in

00:24:24.580 in the Republican Party

00:24:25.880 and we're going to lose

00:24:27.080 lose candidates,

00:24:28.140 lose future leaders.

00:24:29.680 And so we've got to

00:24:30.460 double down now

00:24:31.280 as a movement

00:24:31.860 to, first of all,

00:24:33.160 push the administration

00:24:33.880 to be as pro-life

00:24:34.820 as possible, right?

00:24:36.380 And then also

00:24:36.960 to get involved

00:24:37.780 in primaries,

00:24:39.000 get involved in,

00:24:39.940 of course,

00:24:40.320 state elections,

00:24:41.400 state, you know,

00:24:42.780 legislative efforts

00:24:44.000 to push the pro-life message

00:24:46.180 and work to shore up

00:24:48.580 the Republican Party platform

00:24:49.900 the next go-around.

00:24:51.160 You know,

00:24:51.280 we've got a few years here

00:24:52.340 to really double down

00:24:53.660 on building our movement up.

00:24:55.040 One of the things

00:24:55.960 that I did,

00:24:56.600 you know,

00:24:56.720 live action,

00:24:57.200 a lot of people

00:24:57.620 may not know this,

00:24:58.520 but live action

00:24:59.040 is an educational nonprofit

00:25:00.820 that actually doesn't

00:25:01.820 largely do politics.

00:25:03.240 So my critique

00:25:04.100 of President Trump

00:25:04.840 was in my personal capacity.

00:25:06.360 My critique of Kamala Harris

00:25:07.700 was in my personal capacity

00:25:08.780 through my independent podcast.

00:25:10.200 So that was my project.

00:25:11.900 But I, you know,

00:25:12.920 and we focused on

00:25:13.640 changing hearts and minds

00:25:14.480 because our,

00:25:15.180 my heart is cultural change.

00:25:16.760 You know,

00:25:16.900 political change is essential,

00:25:18.280 but we need cultural change.

00:25:20.000 So that's live action's

00:25:21.000 primary focus.

00:25:21.860 But watching the last

00:25:23.180 couple years play out

00:25:24.200 in the post-Dobbs world,

00:25:26.440 Roe v. Wade's overruled,

00:25:27.560 then all of a sudden

00:25:28.960 you have literally

00:25:29.980 billions of dollars

00:25:31.240 being poured into elections

00:25:33.920 and ballot initiatives

00:25:34.960 and just media in general

00:25:37.060 by the pro-abortion side

00:25:38.840 to tell women

00:25:39.920 you're going to die,

00:25:41.080 you need abortion,

00:25:42.440 this is like,

00:25:43.100 you know,

00:25:43.440 D-Day for you as a woman,

00:25:45.020 you know,

00:25:45.260 your rights as a woman.

00:25:46.620 And so,

00:25:47.380 you know,

00:25:47.580 when I saw that happen,

00:25:49.040 obviously,

00:25:49.580 you know,

00:25:49.740 we're on the phone,

00:25:50.320 we're talking with other

00:25:51.100 political pro-life groups

00:25:52.260 to say,

00:25:52.920 you know,

00:25:53.200 how can we help,

00:25:54.200 you know,

00:25:54.480 keep up the fight.

00:25:55.660 But we've been just

00:25:56.540 completely blasted

00:25:58.420 by the pro-abortion side

00:26:00.140 and the pro-life side,

00:26:01.660 Ali,

00:26:01.860 is outspent

00:26:02.640 sometimes up to

00:26:03.600 $1 to $30,

00:26:05.300 meaning one pro-life dollar

00:26:06.500 up against $30

00:26:07.680 in a state ballot

00:26:09.300 initiative contest

00:26:11.400 or in the elections.

00:26:13.060 It's Republican

00:26:14.300 versus Democrat dollars,

00:26:15.680 30 to 1,

00:26:16.820 32 to 1,

00:26:17.800 32 Democrat dollars

00:26:18.940 being spent on abortion,

00:26:19.800 one Republican dollar

00:26:22.220 being spent on life.

00:26:24.260 I mean,

00:26:24.440 these are crazy

00:26:25.520 outspending,

00:26:27.400 a crazy amount

00:26:27.920 of outspending

00:26:28.520 that the abortion side,

00:26:30.020 the pro-abortion side

00:26:31.020 is doing.

00:26:31.820 Anyways,

00:26:32.160 all this to say,

00:26:33.320 what's the pro-life response?

00:26:35.020 How do we respond to this?

00:26:36.960 We got to double down

00:26:37.780 on changing culture.

00:26:38.840 That's what live action

00:26:39.620 spends virtually

00:26:40.740 all of our focus on.

00:26:42.720 But then we do

00:26:43.340 have to do politics.

00:26:44.140 We got to get involved

00:26:44.880 in elections

00:26:45.380 and these ballot contests.

00:26:47.460 And that's a huge project.

00:26:50.000 And there are good people

00:26:51.040 in that space, Sally,

00:26:52.400 but there aren't enough.

00:26:53.820 And so one of the things

00:26:54.480 that we did at Live Action

00:26:55.500 and our contribution

00:26:56.560 is to start

00:26:57.160 Live Action Victory.

00:26:58.740 We spent almost

00:26:59.420 a million dollars

00:27:00.380 in Florida

00:27:01.300 and in Missouri

00:27:02.040 to fight these

00:27:03.020 pro-abortion amendments.

00:27:05.920 And, you know,

00:27:06.420 that's a tiny amount

00:27:07.480 of money, though.

00:27:08.040 I mean,

00:27:08.220 it sounds maybe

00:27:08.720 like a lot to some,

00:27:09.340 but compared to

00:27:10.340 the almost billion dollars

00:27:11.880 that was spent

00:27:12.460 in the election cycle

00:27:13.420 on abortion,

00:27:14.680 it's a drop

00:27:15.580 in the bucket.

00:27:16.600 And so what is my,

00:27:18.160 you know,

00:27:18.700 what's the plan

00:27:19.640 moving forward?

00:27:20.940 We have to build

00:27:22.360 up a ground game

00:27:24.500 of pro-lifers

00:27:25.720 that are not just

00:27:26.460 mobilized and organized,

00:27:28.040 but we need to build

00:27:29.200 the war chest

00:27:30.020 so we can compete

00:27:31.380 with the pro-abortion

00:27:32.460 side in media

00:27:33.400 and we need to be

00:27:34.560 the media.

00:27:35.660 And that's Live Action's

00:27:36.460 number one focus

00:27:37.940 is, you know,

00:27:38.800 we're a little unique

00:27:39.440 as a pro-life organization.

00:27:40.360 We're basically

00:27:40.760 a media organization.

00:27:42.500 Everything we do

00:27:43.140 is social media,

00:27:44.280 earned media.

00:27:45.440 Obviously,

00:27:45.880 we do some paid media

00:27:46.920 now with our ads

00:27:47.740 and everything,

00:27:48.380 but it is a media organization.

00:27:50.440 It's a project

00:27:51.580 to get every influencer

00:27:53.000 we can,

00:27:54.200 every news media

00:27:55.260 personality we can,

00:27:56.720 behind the scenes

00:27:57.480 or in front of the scenes,

00:27:58.780 supported and educated

00:28:00.260 and passionate about life

00:28:01.880 so they can multiply

00:28:03.240 the educational effort.

00:28:04.560 And that's what Live Action does.

00:28:05.640 I think we're doing it well.

00:28:06.920 Are we doing it enough?

00:28:08.080 No.

00:28:08.800 You know,

00:28:09.020 we should be

00:28:09.960 a multi-hundreds

00:28:11.020 of millions of dollars

00:28:11.700 organization

00:28:12.280 that is working

00:28:13.020 with thousands

00:28:13.660 of influencers

00:28:14.600 and legislators

00:28:15.260 that is doing 10x

00:28:16.920 what we're doing now,

00:28:18.020 but we're working hard

00:28:19.100 towards that

00:28:19.700 and we're a thousand percent

00:28:20.820 committed.

00:28:21.440 You know,

00:28:21.680 we're in this to win this.

00:28:22.960 Yeah.

00:28:23.280 And yes,

00:28:24.200 there are setbacks

00:28:25.240 with the Republican Party's

00:28:26.620 posture right now,

00:28:27.540 but my hope is,

00:28:29.400 with God's mercy,

00:28:30.820 that we can have

00:28:32.020 pro-life leadership

00:28:32.940 in this administration

00:28:33.840 despite the setbacks

00:28:35.000 and that we can,

00:28:36.700 through the cultural shifting

00:28:38.060 that's already,

00:28:38.920 I believe,

00:28:39.240 happening,

00:28:39.700 we can maximize that,

00:28:41.640 we can exponentially

00:28:42.680 grow that,

00:28:43.820 again,

00:28:44.020 with God's grace

00:28:44.800 to change hearts and minds

00:28:46.120 and there is good signals

00:28:48.500 that some of that

00:28:49.180 is happening,

00:28:49.980 but we need everybody

00:28:50.940 in this fight.

00:28:51.860 We need all hands on deck

00:28:52.680 because this is,

00:28:53.360 this is the fight

00:28:54.000 of our life.

00:28:54.880 Yeah.

00:28:55.260 You know,

00:28:55.760 this message

00:28:56.420 that Kamala Harris ran on,

00:28:58.100 which is,

00:28:58.680 you've pointed out,

00:28:59.460 as many have pointed out,

00:29:00.560 it was exclusively

00:29:01.320 about abortion.

00:29:02.460 I mean,

00:29:02.640 every single speech,

00:29:04.280 her high points

00:29:05.620 at her debate

00:29:06.540 were her defending abortion.

00:29:08.480 It's when she became

00:29:09.240 most articulate,

00:29:10.200 the most charismatic,

00:29:11.220 the most dynamic.

00:29:12.680 It's when she really

00:29:13.600 didn't kind of

00:29:15.520 defer to her word salad

00:29:17.120 explanations of things.

00:29:18.280 This is clearly like

00:29:19.280 what animates her,

00:29:20.700 which of course

00:29:21.160 is very demonic,

00:29:22.180 dark,

00:29:22.480 and disturbing.

00:29:23.700 But again,

00:29:24.620 that was her main focus

00:29:26.280 and she thought

00:29:27.220 that that would

00:29:28.220 win her the election

00:29:29.400 and what they tried to do

00:29:31.220 and the abortion side.

00:29:32.660 I think this is kind of

00:29:34.060 like a novel tactic.

00:29:35.680 Maybe you've seen this

00:29:36.720 for a long time

00:29:37.640 of trying to conflate

00:29:39.280 abortion with miscarriage,

00:29:41.820 trying to say that,

00:29:42.880 well,

00:29:43.000 because you have to have

00:29:44.240 a DNC many times

00:29:45.440 after your miscarriage

00:29:47.280 and DNC is often

00:29:49.160 a part of the abortion process,

00:29:50.640 these are the same things

00:29:51.980 and miscarriage care

00:29:53.320 is actually being prohibited

00:29:54.900 by these pro-life laws

00:29:56.420 because of the Dobbs decision.

00:29:58.260 That was decided

00:30:00.040 because of the justices

00:30:02.200 that Donald Trump nominated

00:30:04.320 while he was president

00:30:05.340 the first time.

00:30:06.640 And obviously,

00:30:07.660 that manipulation tactic

00:30:09.240 and this focus on abortion

00:30:10.620 did not work

00:30:11.760 for Kamala Harris

00:30:12.760 on a national scale.

00:30:15.160 But it does seem

00:30:16.280 to have worked

00:30:17.280 in some states.

00:30:18.840 You mentioned

00:30:19.220 the state of Florida

00:30:20.040 Amendment 4

00:30:20.700 did not pass.

00:30:22.180 You guys worked really hard

00:30:23.500 to make sure

00:30:24.420 that the voters

00:30:25.040 were informed.

00:30:26.300 Governor DeSantis

00:30:27.180 and First Lady

00:30:28.600 Casey DeSantis,

00:30:29.880 as you've also noted publicly,

00:30:31.280 worked so hard

00:30:33.080 to educate the public

00:30:34.280 about that.

00:30:35.240 But when we look

00:30:35.900 at places like Arizona,

00:30:37.820 when we look at places

00:30:38.780 like Missouri,

00:30:39.460 you also mentioned Missouri.

00:30:40.840 Unfortunately,

00:30:41.800 in Arizona,

00:30:42.600 Proposition 139 passed.

00:30:45.640 They just needed

00:30:46.240 a simple majority,

00:30:47.300 but 61.7% voted

00:30:49.480 to sanction abortion

00:30:52.700 through all nine months

00:30:53.760 as a human right

00:30:54.980 in that state.

00:30:56.260 Amendment 3

00:30:56.980 in Missouri passed,

00:30:58.920 sadly,

00:30:59.160 with 52.6%.

00:31:01.220 They went from

00:31:01.960 having no abortion clinics

00:31:03.420 to now being

00:31:04.300 an abortion sanctuary

00:31:05.960 state, basically.

00:31:07.480 And so,

00:31:08.000 when you look

00:31:09.000 at these losses,

00:31:09.880 which are devastating,

00:31:11.920 do you think

00:31:12.980 it's a product

00:31:13.520 mostly of disinformation?

00:31:15.780 Or,

00:31:16.780 as some people

00:31:17.820 unfortunately believe,

00:31:20.200 that it's because

00:31:22.240 the true pro-life

00:31:23.600 all-the-way message

00:31:24.860 isn't a winning message,

00:31:26.580 and some people

00:31:27.520 might say,

00:31:28.200 well,

00:31:28.460 we just need

00:31:29.120 to compromise

00:31:29.720 on abortion.

00:31:31.120 Look at these losses

00:31:32.140 on the state level.

00:31:33.160 What do you think?

00:31:34.740 Yeah,

00:31:34.920 it's a really good question.

00:31:36.180 It's the thing

00:31:36.720 that we've been talking

00:31:37.380 about nonstop

00:31:38.200 behind the scenes

00:31:39.740 before and after

00:31:40.840 the election

00:31:41.320 is how can we make,

00:31:42.740 you know,

00:31:42.900 they talk about

00:31:43.400 pro-life viability,

00:31:44.860 not the viability

00:31:45.660 of the baby,

00:31:46.300 but is pro-life

00:31:47.200 viable politically?

00:31:48.580 And there's a few

00:31:49.500 information points

00:31:50.740 that are really important

00:31:51.640 to point out.

00:31:52.260 So,

00:31:52.440 first of all,

00:31:53.400 in South Dakota,

00:31:54.760 the pro-life side

00:31:55.720 prevailed.

00:31:56.420 So,

00:31:56.680 we won that

00:31:57.420 ballot initiative

00:31:58.320 in South Dakota.

00:31:59.420 What happened

00:32:00.100 in South Dakota?

00:32:00.880 This is obviously

00:32:01.420 a very red state,

00:32:02.680 but the pro-abortion

00:32:04.140 side actually

00:32:04.920 didn't put any money

00:32:05.980 into the fight.

00:32:07.400 There's different

00:32:07.860 reasons for that,

00:32:08.580 but they just

00:32:09.120 didn't even bother.

00:32:10.280 And the pro-life

00:32:10.880 side won.

00:32:12.040 Then let's look

00:32:12.560 at Missouri,

00:32:13.400 right?

00:32:13.720 In Missouri,

00:32:14.560 over $30 million,

00:32:16.240 Ali,

00:32:16.560 were spent

00:32:17.160 by pro-abortion groups.

00:32:18.860 George Soros

00:32:19.620 personally donated

00:32:20.600 over $4 million

00:32:21.940 to defeat

00:32:23.400 Amendment 3

00:32:24.700 in Missouri.

00:32:26.460 And this was

00:32:26.860 the whole,

00:32:28.200 you know,

00:32:28.620 sorry,

00:32:29.600 to get Amendment 3

00:32:30.400 passed in Missouri.

00:32:31.700 So,

00:32:32.120 there was a ton

00:32:32.800 of pro-abortion money

00:32:33.720 put in.

00:32:34.280 How much money

00:32:34.880 was put in

00:32:35.320 on the pro-life side?

00:32:36.400 Less than $2 million.

00:32:38.340 Now,

00:32:38.980 that should just

00:32:39.780 break everyone's heart

00:32:41.040 because Missouri,

00:32:42.600 we lost in Missouri

00:32:43.960 by less than

00:32:44.860 two percentage points.

00:32:46.400 So,

00:32:46.660 we're talking,

00:32:47.560 you know,

00:32:48.400 tens of thousands

00:32:50.020 of votes

00:32:50.580 that were,

00:32:51.720 you know,

00:32:52.080 potentially could have

00:32:52.800 been swayed

00:32:53.400 if we had

00:32:53.940 had a little bit

00:32:54.920 more of a fight

00:32:56.140 in the state,

00:32:56.920 if we had had

00:32:57.460 a little bit

00:32:57.940 more resources.

00:32:59.300 And I'll just share,

00:33:00.420 you know,

00:33:00.580 I was on the phone

00:33:01.300 and again,

00:33:01.940 live actions focus

00:33:02.780 historically has not

00:33:03.580 been state ballot

00:33:04.580 initiatives.

00:33:04.960 It's education,

00:33:06.000 it's young people,

00:33:06.640 it's all this stuff.

00:33:07.260 But, you know,

00:33:07.720 I was on the phone

00:33:08.400 in the weeks

00:33:09.120 and the months

00:33:09.700 leading up

00:33:10.220 to these initiatives

00:33:10.960 calling philanthropists,

00:33:13.100 asking them

00:33:13.600 to get involved.

00:33:14.980 And because of

00:33:16.060 a lot of factors,

00:33:17.120 but in part

00:33:17.740 the losses

00:33:18.380 after Dobbs,

00:33:19.180 the early losses

00:33:20.040 in state ballot

00:33:20.940 initiatives,

00:33:21.640 there was a lot

00:33:23.100 of fear,

00:33:23.960 a lot of

00:33:24.500 hesitance,

00:33:25.940 and there's not

00:33:27.060 as many deep pockets,

00:33:28.340 quite frankly,

00:33:29.120 on the life side

00:33:30.160 as there are

00:33:30.720 in the pro-abortion

00:33:31.340 side.

00:33:31.720 Does this mean

00:33:32.140 we're always going

00:33:32.640 to lose?

00:33:33.100 Does this mean

00:33:33.480 there's no hope?

00:33:33.980 Of course not,

00:33:34.940 because this is a

00:33:35.720 groundswell that we

00:33:36.580 can build.

00:33:37.320 And, you know,

00:33:37.960 with all the billionaires

00:33:39.280 that we're up against,

00:33:40.020 we can get millions

00:33:40.900 of Americans

00:33:41.520 who are activated

00:33:42.920 and strong.

00:33:44.080 And that did happen

00:33:45.300 in Florida,

00:33:45.980 that did happen

00:33:46.840 in South Dakota,

00:33:47.600 and that also,

00:33:48.300 by the way,

00:33:48.700 Ali,

00:33:48.940 happened in Nebraska.

00:33:49.700 So there were

00:33:50.200 three pro-life wins

00:33:51.500 this election cycle,

00:33:53.140 despite being outspent

00:33:54.440 and despite being

00:33:55.360 up against

00:33:56.700 institutional

00:33:57.540 pro-abortion media.

00:33:59.240 So,

00:33:59.660 all this to say,

00:34:00.620 what does this mean

00:34:01.360 for these losses?

00:34:03.220 Does this mean that,

00:34:04.080 oh,

00:34:04.240 it's so baked in,

00:34:05.020 people are never

00:34:05.500 going to change?

00:34:06.740 It means we haven't

00:34:07.500 reached enough people

00:34:08.280 with the truth.

00:34:09.360 That's what these

00:34:10.020 losses mean.

00:34:11.240 And I know this

00:34:12.420 for a fact,

00:34:13.060 because if you're

00:34:14.360 a voter in the

00:34:15.360 state of Arizona

00:34:16.000 and you were

00:34:16.640 thinking about how

00:34:17.540 you were going to

00:34:17.980 vote on abortion,

00:34:19.140 you know,

00:34:19.800 in that ballot

00:34:21.560 initiative,

00:34:23.080 you were getting

00:34:24.200 hammered by

00:34:25.840 ads that told you

00:34:27.600 that if you

00:34:28.300 voted against

00:34:29.840 abortion,

00:34:30.740 you were voting

00:34:31.540 against women.

00:34:32.480 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 And that you were

00:34:33.540 going to be

00:34:34.280 the reason for

00:34:35.360 women dying

00:34:36.080 in Arizona

00:34:37.060 or the reason

00:34:37.840 for women dying

00:34:38.640 in Colorado.

00:34:39.580 And you take

00:34:40.360 your average person,

00:34:41.640 Ali,

00:34:41.820 you take even

00:34:42.300 your average

00:34:42.800 Christian,

00:34:43.980 your average

00:34:44.500 evangelical

00:34:45.180 or Catholic,

00:34:46.240 who's not super

00:34:47.060 involved in

00:34:47.500 pro-life movement

00:34:48.000 stuff,

00:34:48.480 who's not maybe

00:34:49.040 super involved

00:34:49.680 politically,

00:34:50.580 but they care

00:34:51.540 about trying to

00:34:52.220 be a good person

00:34:52.900 and helping other

00:34:53.540 people.

00:34:54.500 And they are told

00:34:55.740 this law is too

00:34:56.640 extreme.

00:34:57.420 Women will die

00:34:58.060 if you pass it.

00:34:58.800 It is unreasonable.

00:35:00.240 And they're not

00:35:01.000 hearing a counterpoint.

00:35:02.440 Maybe they heard

00:35:03.020 one time on Facebook

00:35:04.160 they saw some

00:35:04.760 pro-life posts,

00:35:05.360 but they've never

00:35:05.780 really heard a

00:35:06.300 counterpoint.

00:35:07.420 I understand why

00:35:08.400 they might vote

00:35:09.080 for abortion

00:35:10.040 in that case.

00:35:10.760 I understand why

00:35:11.420 they might get out

00:35:12.100 and think that

00:35:12.900 that was the right

00:35:13.480 thing to do.

00:35:14.040 And so that's

00:35:15.240 what we're dealing

00:35:15.840 with.

00:35:16.260 And it should

00:35:16.820 both sober us,

00:35:18.160 but it also should

00:35:18.860 give us a lot of

00:35:19.580 hope that this is

00:35:20.780 really a fight

00:35:21.740 for who can

00:35:23.520 get the message

00:35:24.680 out more

00:35:25.500 and better.

00:35:26.460 That is the fight

00:35:27.240 that we are in.

00:35:28.600 And so live

00:35:29.480 actions focus,

00:35:30.320 is that a thousand

00:35:31.140 percent?

00:35:31.640 That's what we're

00:35:32.080 doubling down on.

00:35:32.940 And other pro-life

00:35:33.920 groups, they're all

00:35:34.660 doing different parts

00:35:35.760 of the movement.

00:35:36.680 I want to just say

00:35:37.600 one other thing.

00:35:38.040 I've heard some

00:35:39.140 people criticize,

00:35:40.020 like, what are

00:35:40.640 these pro-lifers

00:35:41.340 doing?

00:35:41.840 They're not working

00:35:42.520 together or they're

00:35:43.960 just sitting on

00:35:44.560 their laurels.

00:35:45.740 Roe v. Wade was

00:35:46.660 overturned and now

00:35:47.320 they don't care

00:35:47.880 anymore.

00:35:49.320 That's not true.

00:35:50.440 If you're in the

00:35:51.080 pro-life movement,

00:35:52.300 sure, you're going

00:35:52.740 to have a lot of

00:35:53.300 criticism of

00:35:55.020 strategic choices,

00:35:56.460 like, oh, I think

00:35:57.120 this is smarter than

00:35:57.860 that, or I don't

00:35:58.960 like this approach

00:35:59.840 versus that approach.

00:36:01.220 But the people that

00:36:01.960 I know in this

00:36:02.420 movement, and I know

00:36:03.020 all the national

00:36:03.660 leaders, I know

00:36:04.500 thousands of

00:36:05.040 activists, I've

00:36:05.720 talked with

00:36:06.060 thousands of

00:36:06.480 activists, they are

00:36:07.820 working really hard

00:36:09.040 and they care a lot

00:36:10.600 and they're doing

00:36:11.320 the very best that

00:36:12.200 they can with the

00:36:13.140 opportunities and

00:36:13.840 options that they

00:36:14.440 have, and they're

00:36:15.040 going to try to get

00:36:15.600 smarter and better and

00:36:16.340 work harder.

00:36:17.360 But my message to

00:36:18.300 anyone who's critical

00:36:19.180 right now, if there's

00:36:20.220 someone critical, is

00:36:21.460 first of all, pray for

00:36:22.320 an end to abortion, and

00:36:23.720 then second of all, get

00:36:24.700 in the fight.

00:36:25.600 We need you.

00:36:26.980 None of us are

00:36:27.500 perfect.

00:36:28.000 None of us are going to

00:36:28.600 be perfect leaders or

00:36:29.520 perfect activists or

00:36:30.820 perfect Christians.

00:36:32.540 But we need to try.

00:36:34.640 We need to try.

00:36:35.900 That's what God wants

00:36:36.680 from us and that's what

00:36:37.740 our country needs from

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00:38:01.900 You know, I've been a

00:38:03.340 little surprised.

00:38:04.220 You talk about being up

00:38:05.460 against Goliath when it

00:38:06.540 comes to spending, but

00:38:07.660 it's also just when it

00:38:08.780 comes to influence, the

00:38:11.500 number of social media

00:38:13.100 followers of those of us

00:38:15.040 who are over here versus

00:38:16.320 the people who are famous

00:38:18.920 not because of their

00:38:20.140 commentary or their

00:38:21.040 activist work, but because

00:38:22.400 they're on, you know, the

00:38:23.420 silver screen.

00:38:24.060 And so they've got millions

00:38:25.020 of followers or someone

00:38:26.180 like Taylor Swift, who says

00:38:27.420 she's voting for Kamala

00:38:28.340 Harris for, quote unquote,

00:38:29.960 reproductive rights.

00:38:31.260 Like, we're also, you

00:38:33.780 know, David, to continue

00:38:35.960 on the metaphor in that

00:38:38.420 sense, too, because I know

00:38:40.380 live action has a huge

00:38:41.760 social media footprint, but

00:38:43.660 when we're up against

00:38:44.560 someone like an actress that

00:38:47.040 I went back and forth with

00:38:48.260 last night, Sophia Bush, who

00:38:49.880 has, I don't know, four to

00:38:51.000 six million followers who are

00:38:53.080 all telling people, and you

00:38:55.220 mentioned like just the

00:38:56.220 average Christian who just

00:38:57.820 wants to help people.

00:38:58.860 They hear this message from

00:39:00.820 someone like Sophia Bush.

00:39:02.560 She told me, you've got

00:39:04.160 blood on your hands.

00:39:05.300 You have blood on your

00:39:06.480 hands because you are

00:39:07.500 advocating for the pro-life

00:39:08.760 position.

00:39:09.200 And she's spreading this

00:39:10.840 disinformation that these

00:39:12.760 Texas women died because of

00:39:15.620 the pro-life laws in Texas,

00:39:18.420 Nevia Crane.

00:39:19.340 And there was one other one

00:39:21.740 other woman that she referred

00:39:23.540 to that said died because of

00:39:25.160 these pro-life laws, Jocely.

00:39:27.500 But of course, that's just

00:39:29.400 not true.

00:39:30.600 Nevia's story, for example,

00:39:32.360 she just needed antibiotics.

00:39:33.980 She had an infection.

00:39:35.060 Her baby was actually fine.

00:39:36.580 She was six months pregnant.

00:39:37.880 So the baby was what is

00:39:39.580 considered viable 24 weeks,

00:39:42.300 even though babies have

00:39:43.000 survived before that.

00:39:44.580 It had nothing to do with

00:39:46.540 needing, quote unquote, an

00:39:49.380 abortion or miscarrying or

00:39:51.160 anything like that.

00:39:52.320 She just didn't get the

00:39:53.060 medical care that she needed.

00:39:54.320 And then the other young

00:39:57.460 woman also didn't need an

00:39:59.840 abortion.

00:40:00.320 And Texas law actually would

00:40:02.000 have allowed her to have an

00:40:03.560 early delivery because the

00:40:04.920 end of her life was so

00:40:06.700 obviously imminent.

00:40:08.880 And so they take these

00:40:09.980 stories.

00:40:10.460 Sophia Bush did this.

00:40:11.700 They take these stories.

00:40:13.320 They stoke fear and they

00:40:16.060 tell women that if you are

00:40:17.980 pro-life, then you are for

00:40:20.600 killing women.

00:40:21.720 It's the same kind of

00:40:22.680 manipulation tactic that

00:40:24.040 parents hear when they're

00:40:25.420 like, if you don't allow

00:40:26.400 your child to go on these

00:40:28.360 puberty blockers, then they

00:40:29.660 are going to kill

00:40:30.420 themselves.

00:40:30.820 This is the worst kind of

00:40:32.660 moral extortion, what I

00:40:34.500 call toxic empathy,

00:40:36.160 emotional manipulation.

00:40:38.180 You are ignoring the true

00:40:39.580 victims in every case.

00:40:40.980 In this case, the child

00:40:42.160 inside the womb who would

00:40:43.340 be violently poisoned and

00:40:45.540 torn apart.

00:40:46.840 But most people can't.

00:40:48.720 They don't want to get that

00:40:53.420 kind of pushback.

00:40:56.120 You know, that's hard.

00:40:57.060 Like you and I are, we're

00:40:58.240 used to it.

00:40:58.980 You've been doing this for

00:40:59.760 years and years.

00:41:00.580 You've heard the worst and

00:41:01.440 most vile things about you.

00:41:03.580 You've gotten all kinds of

00:41:05.060 threats to your safety for

00:41:06.820 standing up for life.

00:41:08.100 I even got messages from a

00:41:09.920 Christian who follows Sophia

00:41:12.780 Bush being like, you know,

00:41:14.500 I'm a Christian and I'm pro-life,

00:41:16.140 but I don't feel the need to

00:41:17.840 publicly state my position

00:41:21.140 like you do.

00:41:21.980 You just want more power.

00:41:23.480 And I'm like, well, no, you're

00:41:24.320 probably just cowardly.

00:41:26.700 And I think that's an issue

00:41:28.280 with a lot of people.

00:41:29.220 They don't want to speak up

00:41:30.520 for this.

00:41:30.980 They don't want someone like

00:41:31.900 Sophia Bush coming after

00:41:33.200 them.

00:41:34.100 They don't want to be called

00:41:36.380 names and be accused of not

00:41:37.820 caring for women.

00:41:38.760 And so just encourage those

00:41:40.700 people who may be on our side

00:41:42.520 or thinking about being on our

00:41:43.860 side, but they're just not

00:41:44.980 sure that they can take the

00:41:46.060 heat.

00:41:47.600 Yeah, it's such a good point,

00:41:49.220 Allie, and you do such a

00:41:49.960 great job.

00:41:50.460 So thank you so much.

00:41:51.980 You're one of the best leaders

00:41:53.060 that we have in the entire

00:41:54.220 movement who are speaking out

00:41:55.440 on life.

00:41:55.880 And in general, your voice is

00:41:57.460 so it's so needed.

00:41:58.900 It's so powerful.

00:42:00.600 Listen, there is not a single

00:42:02.120 law, a single pro-life law,

00:42:04.080 including in the state of Texas

00:42:05.340 that in any way prohibits

00:42:07.580 miscarriage care.

00:42:08.500 If the baby is passed away, if

00:42:10.920 the baby, the miscarriage has

00:42:12.220 begun, even Texas law

00:42:14.140 explicitly states that

00:42:15.780 removing that baby and the

00:42:17.540 procedure to remove the dead

00:42:18.840 baby may be similar to the

00:42:20.580 procedure to remove a living

00:42:21.900 baby and kill that baby via

00:42:23.160 elective abortion.

00:42:24.200 When you're removing a dead

00:42:25.340 baby, though, that is not an

00:42:26.820 illegal abortion.

00:42:27.600 That is a DNC procedure being

00:42:29.520 used in some cases to remove a

00:42:31.440 dead baby.

00:42:32.300 Texas law explicitly states this.

00:42:34.180 In fact, there's not a single

00:42:35.280 pro-life law in the country that

00:42:36.880 prohibits emergency medical

00:42:38.960 care to a mother that might

00:42:40.200 involve an early delivery if it's

00:42:41.980 an emergency or that prohibits

00:42:44.180 miscarriage care or that

00:42:45.740 prohibits care for an ectopic

00:42:47.380 pregnancy.

00:42:48.540 Show me the pro-life law and I

00:42:50.040 will show you where it states

00:42:51.140 specifically, just in case

00:42:52.360 there's confusion, that that an

00:42:54.480 action, a medical action in

00:42:55.640 those cases is not an elective

00:42:57.520 abortion and is in no way

00:42:58.820 illegal in those states or

00:43:00.100 anywhere in this country.

00:43:01.200 That is the fact.

00:43:02.480 So what Sophia Bush is doing,

00:43:05.120 whether she is well

00:43:06.700 intentioned or not, I don't know

00:43:07.920 her intentions, but what she is

00:43:09.740 doing is she is taking stories

00:43:11.460 that have been put out

00:43:12.920 intentionally by the group

00:43:14.860 ProPublica.

00:43:16.300 So you mentioned these stories,

00:43:18.060 Nevia Crane, there's a whole

00:43:19.180 host of other stories that are

00:43:21.340 being promoted by groups like

00:43:23.360 ProPublica who do these

00:43:24.680 investigative reports and they

00:43:26.840 write really long pieces, you

00:43:29.040 know, thousands of words,

00:43:30.080 pieces telling these stories of

00:43:32.260 these women that are just

00:43:33.680 tragic, right?

00:43:35.220 When they talk about how in some

00:43:36.460 of these cases, the woman, maybe

00:43:37.680 she's miscarrying and she's

00:43:39.080 turned away at the emergency

00:43:40.220 room, they checked her vitals,

00:43:41.980 they said she was fine and then

00:43:43.160 they sent her home and then the

00:43:44.840 problem got worse and she went

00:43:46.400 back and then they sent her

00:43:47.460 home again because they didn't

00:43:48.400 understand how bad the problem

00:43:49.520 was and then she ends up

00:43:50.820 dying, you know, maybe she came

00:43:52.620 back to the hospital the third

00:43:53.320 time and then she dies.

00:43:54.100 These are multiple cases like

00:43:55.880 this.

00:43:56.840 And then they say, well, the

00:43:58.180 reason that she died is because

00:43:59.840 she was somehow denied an

00:44:01.280 abortion.

00:44:02.220 When first of all, ProPublica even

00:44:04.540 admits they didn't interview a

00:44:05.920 single person that actually cared

00:44:07.140 for these women.

00:44:07.860 In all of their reports, they

00:44:09.380 don't have a single quote from a

00:44:10.780 single medical professional who

00:44:12.140 actually cared for these women who

00:44:13.460 claim, oh, I didn't care for her

00:44:15.560 because of abortion law.

00:44:17.060 Exactly.

00:44:17.280 No, the reality of what's

00:44:19.160 happening here is the

00:44:20.500 complications involved in

00:44:22.460 misdiagnosing and unfortunately

00:44:25.340 just poor medical care in some of

00:44:27.720 these parts of, say, rural Texas,

00:44:29.320 where it has nothing to do with not

00:44:31.920 giving the woman an abortion and

00:44:33.960 abortion wouldn't have solved the

00:44:35.320 problem anyways.

00:44:36.640 It's about they didn't understand

00:44:38.880 that she was getting sepsis or they

00:44:40.860 didn't understand that she was

00:44:42.360 facing life-threatening bleeding and

00:44:44.280 they weren't able to care for her in

00:44:45.940 the way that she needed and she

00:44:47.260 deserved.

00:44:48.360 Here's the truth, Ali.

00:44:49.380 I guarantee you, and I know, but they

00:44:51.260 don't make headline news through

00:44:52.360 ProPublica.

00:44:53.540 There are cases of women in pro-abortion

00:44:56.240 states like my state of California who

00:44:58.420 were given subpar care when it came to

00:45:00.740 their pregnancies or their

00:45:02.480 miscarriages.

00:45:03.100 In fact, one of my friends recently had

00:45:05.060 a miscarriage in California and she

00:45:07.460 was, it was a partial miscarriage,

00:45:09.560 incomplete miscarriage.

00:45:10.780 She goes to the doctor, the doctor

00:45:13.200 sends her home.

00:45:14.320 She says, well, should I get a DNC to

00:45:15.980 complete the miscarriage?

00:45:17.160 The baby's dead.

00:45:18.220 The doctor says, well, wait and see,

00:45:19.460 wait and see.

00:45:20.140 She had an excruciating few weeks that

00:45:22.240 included bleeding, that included a lot

00:45:23.780 of fear and worry because she didn't

00:45:25.420 get that DNC.

00:45:26.780 And eventually she did get the DNC

00:45:28.560 procedure.

00:45:29.020 But if California was a pro-life

00:45:31.340 state, ProPublica could have called

00:45:33.680 it.

00:45:33.840 My friend had been like, she was

00:45:35.020 denied care.

00:45:36.160 Yeah.

00:45:36.400 You know, they had excruciating,

00:45:38.060 bleeding for weeks.

00:45:38.720 It has nothing, again, to do with

00:45:40.240 pro-life law.

00:45:41.180 Yeah.

00:45:41.360 It has to do with medical providers

00:45:43.520 that need to do better or just tragic

00:45:46.120 cases.

00:45:46.880 Yes.

00:45:47.100 Because tragedy does still strike.

00:45:49.520 And, you know, even some of these

00:45:50.640 cases, Allie, and you've been very

00:45:51.940 outspoken about this one.

00:45:53.280 Some of these cases involved, like

00:45:54.880 Amanda Thurman, this bait and

00:45:57.160 switch where the reporter, the

00:45:59.000 pro-abortion reporter starts the

00:46:00.320 story, this poor woman, she died

00:46:01.640 because of pro-life laws.

00:46:02.660 So they say, in this case, Amanda

00:46:04.360 Thurman, it was Georgia's pro-life

00:46:06.320 law that killed Amanda Thurman.

00:46:08.180 You actually read the report.

00:46:09.940 That's a complete fabrication.

00:46:11.360 It's a lie.

00:46:11.820 No pro-life law killed her.

00:46:12.960 What actually killed Amanda Thurman

00:46:14.960 in this particular case is she was

00:46:17.440 pregnant with twins, drove to a

00:46:19.900 pro-abortion state, took an abortion

00:46:21.900 pill.

00:46:22.600 Without being seen by the doctor.

00:46:24.780 They prescribed it to her over the

00:46:26.540 phone, not even knowing how far

00:46:28.320 along she was.

00:46:29.220 And she was pregnant with twins.

00:46:31.080 And so, obviously, that's going to

00:46:32.400 be very dangerous.

00:46:34.180 Right.

00:46:34.420 Because Planned Parenthood and

00:46:35.420 abortion providers, they don't care

00:46:37.040 about women.

00:46:37.520 They want to fast track just giving

00:46:39.140 out abortion pills and sending them

00:46:40.340 via the mail.

00:46:40.920 That's part of their whole agenda.

00:46:42.440 So she ends up getting a life

00:46:43.660 threatening infection because of an

00:46:46.140 incomplete abortion from the

00:46:48.380 abortion pill.

00:46:49.160 She ends up getting sepsis.

00:46:50.560 She goes to the hospital.

00:46:51.480 They're trying to stabilize her.

00:46:52.540 They're trying to treat her.

00:46:53.980 And they aren't able to save her

00:46:55.500 life.

00:46:56.480 And then ProPublica blames that on

00:46:58.560 pro-life laws.

00:47:00.300 I mean, it is wild what the media is

00:47:02.740 doing.

00:47:03.360 It's so, it's kind of like this,

00:47:05.600 you know, sometimes, I don't know if

00:47:07.220 you've ever had this in your life, but

00:47:08.180 you meet someone and they just lie

00:47:09.800 about everything.

00:47:10.880 But they're so convinced of their lie.

00:47:13.140 They're so convinced and persuaded by

00:47:15.680 their own deception.

00:47:17.980 And they're basically self-deceived.

00:47:20.240 It's hard to call out the lie with a

00:47:23.480 person like that because they're so

00:47:24.480 convinced.

00:47:25.300 I think that's what we're dealing

00:47:26.540 with.

00:47:26.820 Some people who are so convinced that

00:47:29.140 abortion is medically necessary when

00:47:31.160 it isn't.

00:47:31.920 And there's thousands of medical

00:47:33.040 professionals who say it isn't.

00:47:34.800 That they will take even the most,

00:47:37.200 they will grasp at the most crazy

00:47:39.120 straws.

00:47:39.540 Like they will take Amanda Thurman's

00:47:40.720 story and say, it wasn't abortion

00:47:42.440 that killed her.

00:47:43.040 It was a pro-life law.

00:47:43.940 When it is clear as day that it was a

00:47:45.720 abortion that actually took her twins

00:47:48.080 and her life.

00:47:48.680 So, you know, we've got a lot of work

00:47:50.220 to do, but, you know, I hope Sophia

00:47:52.380 Bush will come around one of these

00:47:53.760 days and I'm sure you challenging her

00:47:56.120 lovingly, but boldly is going to help

00:47:58.920 her doubt her own.

00:48:00.720 I hope so.

00:48:01.360 I pray so.

00:48:02.200 Baked in narrative.

00:48:03.440 Absolutely.

00:48:04.140 I mean, you mentioned stories that I've

00:48:05.700 also heard to a woman tragically from

00:48:08.140 California, the message I received and

00:48:10.520 from other blue states saying, yeah, I

00:48:12.900 had a miscarriage and I actually did not

00:48:14.780 get the care that I needed.

00:48:15.800 I was bounced around hospital to hospital

00:48:18.720 in this fully pro-abortion state.

00:48:21.680 And then I've had lots and lots of

00:48:23.340 women who tragically lost their babies

00:48:25.020 by miscarriage who live in places like

00:48:26.820 Texas or Arkansas or Tennessee or Florida

00:48:29.600 who got the care that they needed.

00:48:31.740 So obviously we have either it's a

00:48:34.400 competency crisis or they're just very

00:48:37.100 rare instances that are being highlighted

00:48:39.460 or, and I hate to think this way, I hope

00:48:42.100 that there is no doctor or medical staff

00:48:45.080 or hospital who is maliciously allowing

00:48:48.000 these kinds of tragedies to happen in

00:48:50.000 order to make a political point to try

00:48:52.460 to get these laws overturned.

00:48:54.520 And I just want to say if there's anyone

00:48:56.200 listening who is here because you saw my

00:48:59.760 profile on Sophia Bush's profile and you

00:49:02.240 decided to tune in, this is a great one for

00:49:04.240 you to tune into.

00:49:05.120 But I just want to give you the facts

00:49:06.760 because I think a lot of people, as you

00:49:08.840 said, have not actually read the text of

00:49:11.380 the laws at all.

00:49:12.080 Here is the text of the law in Texas, just

00:49:15.220 a short snippet of it.

00:49:17.200 Abortion, this is how it's defined in the

00:49:19.160 Texas law, means the act of using or

00:49:22.260 prescribing an instrument, a drug, a

00:49:24.460 medicine or any other substance device or

00:49:26.580 means with the intent to cause the death

00:49:29.140 of an unborn child of a woman known to be

00:49:31.660 pregnant.

00:49:32.420 The term does not include birth control

00:49:34.080 devices or oral contraceptives.

00:49:36.860 An act is not an abortion if the act is

00:49:39.240 done with the intent to, A, save the life or

00:49:42.400 preserve the health of the unborn child.

00:49:44.700 B, remove a dead unborn child whose death

00:49:47.840 was caused by spontaneous abortion or remove

00:49:51.220 an ectopic pregnancy.

00:49:53.100 That seems to be the conflation, this

00:49:55.320 spontaneous abortion versus induced abortion,

00:49:58.400 which is really medical coding.

00:50:00.020 But what matters legally is how the law

00:50:04.180 actually defines these things.

00:50:06.280 And that is clear as day.

00:50:07.600 Elsewhere in the law, it specifies if there is

00:50:09.900 an early delivery that's necessary to save the

00:50:12.260 life of the mother or even to preserve the

00:50:15.160 health of the life of the mother.

00:50:17.700 That is actually allowed in the Texas state

00:50:20.880 law.

00:50:21.520 But remember, if you have to lie or obscure the

00:50:24.620 truth to defend your point, you are on the

00:50:26.840 wrong side.

00:50:27.480 And that's all that seems to be happening on

00:50:30.140 the pro-abortion side, including by people like

00:50:32.840 Sophia Bush.

00:50:34.760 One thing I'm seeing, it's such a good point,

00:50:36.480 Ali, the Texas law very clearly states miscarriage

00:50:39.580 care is not abortion and not prohibited, obviously.

00:50:42.340 But listen, I look at some of these cases that are

00:50:44.640 being put out there, including by Sophia Bush and

00:50:47.300 others, these really tragic cases of these women who

00:50:49.860 didn't get good care.

00:50:50.780 They end up passing away or having really life

00:50:53.000 threatening, facing a life threatening emergency.

00:50:55.480 And one of the things that I see as a common thread with

00:50:58.520 virtually all of these cases is a lack of a good primary

00:51:01.960 care physician, a lack of a good OBGYN who is actually

00:51:06.760 guiding that woman throughout her pregnancy and there to

00:51:10.120 check in with her.

00:51:11.240 These are women that are showing up at emergency rooms,

00:51:13.700 they're showing up at urgent care centers, they're not

00:51:16.060 showing up with their primary care or their OBGYN to help

00:51:20.360 them understand how they're doing or what's going on and help

00:51:23.380 guide the medical care that they need.

00:51:25.900 And many of them didn't have good OBGYN prenatal care.

00:51:29.320 So I do think that, you know, one positive response that we

00:51:33.060 can have from all of these heartbreaking stories is that we

00:51:36.440 need better health care for women in this country and for

00:51:40.340 pregnant moms.

00:51:41.760 And, you know, you need prenatal care is a good thing.

00:51:44.340 You need good prenatal care, especially if it's a high risk

00:51:47.620 pregnancy or if there's risk of miscarriage or, you know,

00:51:50.540 repeat miscarriages in that woman's past.

00:51:52.560 So that's a positive thing that we can be promoting as pro-lifers.

00:51:56.080 Uh, there's a lot of pregnancy resource centers that provide

00:51:58.820 medical care.

00:51:59.760 We can be promoting their efforts and this is free medical care,

00:52:03.400 prenatal care given to pregnant moms.

00:52:05.540 These are some things that we can speak to as the solution to the

00:52:10.480 women's health risks and needs when it comes to pregnancy.

00:52:14.040 So I'm hopeful that we, you know, the end game here is complete

00:52:18.660 protection for babies and the best care possible for mothers.

00:52:22.060 And the pro-life movement is already working for that.

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00:53:48.160 Can you help me navigate practically what it looks like for the pro-life movement to gain

00:53:56.000 back ground, especially in some of these states like Arizona in Missouri that unfortunately passed

00:54:01.480 these measures to guarantee abortion.

00:54:03.600 Obviously, you and I, we would like abortion to be gone forever from the moment of conception

00:54:11.080 onward.

00:54:11.960 And that's what we want.

00:54:12.980 We believe all of those babies have a legal right to life, to be recognized in the law

00:54:19.520 as full persons.

00:54:21.880 But in order to, let's say Missouri, no longer make Missouri an abortion sanctuary through all

00:54:29.480 nine months, is it a solution or a practical strategy to the next time an amendment can come

00:54:37.260 up for a vote, say, make an amendment that says, okay, there is no right to abortion after 12 weeks

00:54:45.880 or after 20 weeks.

00:54:47.880 Like, what is your take on that incremental approach?

00:54:52.120 Is it strategic and effective or is that a kind of compromise that pro-lifers should not engage in?

00:54:59.640 What do you think?

00:55:01.220 I mean, I think that the route of compromise actually doesn't prove better than the route

00:55:08.060 of being completely for, you know, complete legal protections.

00:55:12.260 And what I mean by that is when you look at the polling as an example of how the 15-week

00:55:17.120 abortion ban compares in public opinion and their support for it to the heartbeat abortion

00:55:24.420 ban.

00:55:24.900 So the baby is protected around seven weeks when the heartbeat is detected versus 15 weeks.

00:55:30.020 And you see virtually no difference.

00:55:32.360 And so that's one point that's really important is this idea that, well, Americans are okay

00:55:36.580 with abortion, you know, in the first trimester, but not the second trimester.

00:55:40.860 That's not necessarily true.

00:55:42.300 It really depends on how the voter or how the person who's being polled understands the

00:55:46.940 question that they're being asked.

00:55:48.520 And that's because there's so little education, meaningful education on abortion.

00:55:52.880 A lot of people will hear, oh, the baby's heart is beating.

00:55:55.720 Of course, I want to protect that baby.

00:55:57.760 And that's where you've gotten more Americans, both Democrat and Republican, supporting heartbeat

00:56:03.360 laws in polls than opposing them because they hear, oh, the baby's heart is beating.

00:56:08.220 That's obviously a human.

00:56:10.020 Even in this poll question, I'm going to support a lot of protect that baby's life.

00:56:13.740 But if they get asked by the pollster, instead of would you protect a baby when the heart

00:56:17.860 is beating, you get asked by the pollster, would you protect a baby or would you protect

00:56:22.140 an embryo at five weeks and would you prohibit abortion then?

00:56:25.960 They might think, oh, that's not really a baby yet.

00:56:29.180 Just five weeks is so early.

00:56:31.100 So maybe I'm going to support that kind of abortion.

00:56:33.860 So what I'm trying to get to here is there is a huge education gap that exists in this country

00:56:40.100 on life. And if you operate under an assumption that the education gap can't be solved, then

00:56:46.400 I can understand why people would want these incremental measures to be the focus, because

00:56:52.380 it basically is a thermometer to read, OK, this is where things are at today.

00:56:57.000 And today, these amount of Americans want some abortion.

00:57:01.440 So we got to be incremental in our measure here.

00:57:03.740 The problem with that as our political strategy is inevitably political strategy influences

00:57:10.440 how people see things culturally.

00:57:12.180 And, you know, you know this and vice versa.

00:57:14.620 And it assumes that people can't change on this issue and that they're baked in.

00:57:19.080 They're never going to change.

00:57:20.140 The reality is people do change on this issue all the time.

00:57:23.160 They change their minds on abortion all the time, depending on the inputs they're getting,

00:57:26.540 the education they're getting.

00:57:27.400 And then number two, if our movement makes incrementalism be our primary focus, then we're

00:57:33.440 sending the message that, yes, we're re-entrenching the message that, yes, some babies before 15

00:57:38.860 weeks or before seven weeks, those babies' lives don't really matter.

00:57:43.540 They're not babies yet.

00:57:44.880 We're kind of in agreement with you that at seven weeks, then it becomes a life that should

00:57:48.700 be protected or at 15 weeks or maybe at 21 weeks viability.

00:57:51.760 And we're OK.

00:57:52.980 You know, we're grudgingly OK with the other abortions.

00:57:55.120 It's OK.

00:57:55.400 That is an educational message, whether we mean it or not, whether we intend it or not.

00:58:01.340 And that educational message is re-entrenching this idea that a younger baby is less valuable

00:58:07.760 and less worthy of rights than an older baby.

00:58:10.520 And that is a mistake, I believe, for a movement to make.

00:58:15.180 So I'm not saying here that it would be wrong for a pro-life governor to sign a ban on abortion

00:58:20.740 at 15 weeks if that's the law that came to his desk.

00:58:23.140 I would prefer that and no protections in the state, right?

00:58:26.300 We applaud that there is a heartbeat law in Florida versus a 15-week abortion ban because

00:58:31.660 more lives are saved.

00:58:33.180 But that cannot be the endgame of our movement.

00:58:35.960 And part of our messaging has to be the endgame as well as our political strategy, which is

00:58:41.600 complete legal protection for pre-born babies.

00:58:44.840 And the more that we say that unapologetically and then educate about why that is, because

00:58:50.280 a baby at five weeks is just as much of a baby at 15 weeks and a unique individual human

00:58:57.060 life comes into existence at the moment of fertilization, at sperm egg fusion, that single

00:59:01.220 cell embryo is a human life that will rapidly grow and develop that just needs time and nourishment

00:59:06.160 to get there, to make it to birth and to make it to one day, we hope, full adulthood and

00:59:11.380 maturity.

00:59:11.980 That is a human life.

00:59:13.500 So our focus as a movement needs to be that.

00:59:16.100 And yeah, this is a hotly debated thing.

00:59:18.140 But listen, I think that the answer to our losses in Arizona and our losses in Colorado

00:59:23.060 and our losses in some of these other states is the pro-life movement needs to professionalize

00:59:28.400 more than it already is.

00:59:30.080 We're a very small professional movement.

00:59:32.980 Some people say, oh, these pro-life professionals, what are they doing?

00:59:35.380 We're outnumbered and outmanned one to 100 or more when it comes to even comparing us

00:59:39.880 to Planned Parenthood.

00:59:41.500 We need to professionalize our movement more.

00:59:43.360 We need more full-time people in the movement.

00:59:45.620 We need more money in the movement.

00:59:46.980 We need to be more sophisticated with our fundraising and raise more money to combat the pro-abortion

00:59:51.420 lies in these state ballot contests.

00:59:53.820 We need to grow our media influence, grow the power of what we're doing educationally behind

00:59:59.640 the scenes.

01:00:00.620 We need to obviously continue to grow and invest in our pregnancy resource movement.

01:00:04.080 And that movement, thankfully, there's a lot of strength there.

01:00:06.080 That is doing, that's more well-funded than any other part of the pro-life movement.

01:00:10.300 And that's a good thing.

01:00:11.360 But we've got to professionalize even more.

01:00:13.540 And we've got to grow the movement more than we've ever had it in the past because, of course,

01:00:19.060 lives are at stake.

01:00:19.920 So that is the, that is the, the, the marching orders moving forward.

01:00:25.080 And I, and I think, you know, your work, Allie, other people in media who are, you know,

01:00:29.580 continuing to beat the drum on this and say, this is, this matters.

01:00:32.600 This matters, this matters, this matters that will help get more people into the fight.

01:00:36.780 And just one last thing I'll say that I think is important when it comes to pro-life politically,

01:00:41.840 the difference between the pro-life issue politically and virtually every other issue

01:00:45.100 is this, there is not personal, uh, satisfaction or advantage that a person involved in the pro-life

01:00:53.820 movement will get politically if they win a political achievement, if they get, you know,

01:00:59.740 an abortion ban or legal protections for pre-born babies. That's a law to help future lives

01:01:04.380 that they might never know. They will probably never see when it's any other political issue,

01:01:09.840 the economy, freedom of speech, foreign affairs, education, the voter is, has some very personal

01:01:17.160 skin in the game. They're talking, they're thinking about their daughter, their son, their,

01:01:21.420 you know, their wallet, um, you know, their tax write-off when the pro-life movement,

01:01:25.800 we need people to care about people they're never going to meet and they're going to get

01:01:29.820 nothing politically out of this. In fact, they might take, they might take the hits. And so we

01:01:34.820 have to work twice as hard is what I'm saying. We have to work twice as hard as people working

01:01:39.540 in other issues and that's okay. We're going to do it. But I think that context is also really

01:01:43.540 important. Last question, federal legislation, um, an amendment. We've got a Republican trifecta

01:01:50.820 right now. Do you think it's likely and is that a top priority of the pro-life movement or do we need

01:01:56.560 to focus more on changing hearts and minds and trying the next go around to fix some of these

01:02:02.360 awful decisions in some of these states that sanction abortion as a right? Yeah, it has to be

01:02:08.000 both. And I think it's a both. And, and we, you know, we do need, I do think we already have a

01:02:13.500 constitutional amendment that protects the pre-born life. Yeah, should. So we don't, we don't need a

01:02:20.300 human life amendment in that the 14th amendment specifically states that every person has equal

01:02:26.060 protection under the law. And then it specifically states that no state, no state, so no California,

01:02:32.420 no Colorado, no state has the right to deprive any person of life without due process under the law.

01:02:40.600 And there's of course no due process for the baby who's being killed in an, at a legalized abortion

01:02:47.220 clinic where literally the cops will come to the clinic to protect the abortionist, to kill the

01:02:52.000 child and make money off of killing the child. That's the state of law in places like Colorado and

01:02:57.500 California, right? The state is using its power to franchise profitable, lethal killing, lethal

01:03:06.000 destruction of human lives. That is not the state's right to do that. So in one sense, Ali,

01:03:13.140 Dobbs v. Jackson, the case that overruled Roe v. Wade, there was a profound mistake in Dobbs v. Jackson

01:03:19.860 and the way that it was decided because it intimated that now the states get to somehow regulate abortion

01:03:27.400 and intimating that California, they can decide to legalize abortion. That's a direct violation of

01:03:35.020 the 14th amendment. And that's why this is a federal fight as much as it is a state's fight,

01:03:41.260 because if there's a case where a law, a person in a state is being deprived their constitutional

01:03:48.020 rights because of the state, then the federal government should get involved. And that's why we

01:03:53.420 are urging federal legislation to protect pre-born life, to undo the damage of states like California.

01:04:00.200 Lila, thank you so much. And thank you so much for the work of Live Action. You have been

01:04:04.420 out front taking the hits for a very long time, and I'm just encouraged by your courage always.

01:04:10.240 Everyone should check out the Lila Rose podcast and all of the series that Live Action has been doing,

01:04:15.500 the powerful exchange between former abortionists and those who survived abortions, just amazing.

01:04:20.960 And follow Live Action. Get involved with Live Action if you haven't already. Is there anything else,

01:04:25.740 Lila? Thank you so much, Ali. I mean, don't give up on your friends and family. Minds and hearts do

01:04:31.900 change, and sometimes you just have to plant the seed. So keep sharing pro-life content, lovingly bringing

01:04:37.780 this up in conversation. Live Action is your resource for that. Ali mentioned Face to Face. That's a new

01:04:42.800 campaign on our YouTube. Check it out. And it's hearing the stories of other people who have had

01:04:47.780 abortions or who have committed abortions. That's sometimes the most powerful way to show, yes,

01:04:52.420 even they can change. And so there's hope for anyone. Anyone can change on this and keep praying

01:04:58.160 too for and into abortion. Amen. Thank you so much, Lila. Thanks, Ali.

01:05:02.480 Bye-bye.

01:05:09.120 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 13, 2024

Ep 1100 ｜ Secret Senate Votes, Sophia Bush & Our Pro-Life Future ｜ Guest： Lila Rose

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