Ep 1101 ｜ Megyn Kelly on Trump’s Shocking Picks, CNN’s Layoffs, & Lib Meltdowns
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Megyn Kelly is here with us today reacting to this week's news about the media shake-up at CNN and MSNBC, and Trump's stunning picks that he has announced in the past few days. Also, we will be discussing some of the controversy surrounding his attorney general pick, Matt Gates, as well as our thoughts on Pete Hetth as the pick for the Secretary of Defense.
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Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show and journalist, is here with us today reacting to
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this week's news about the media shakeup going on at CNN and MSNBC, also Trump's stunning picks
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that he has announced in the past few days. We've got all of that and more with her. Also,
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we will be discussing some of the controversy surrounding his attorney general pick, Matt
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Gates, as well as our thoughts on Pete Hetseth as the pick for the Secretary of Defense. We've got so
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far.
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We've got our girl Megyn Kelly coming up in just a little bit, but we've got to talk about some news
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first and then we will get her reaction to the news of this week. I want to talk about Matt Gates
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as Donald Trump's pick as attorney general. This came as a surprise to a lot of people.
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He announced this on Wednesday. He is a Florida congressman and this is what Trump had to say.
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He said, Matt is a deeply gifted and tenacious attorney trained at the William and Mary College
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of Law who has distinguished himself in Congress through his focus on achieving desperately needed
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reform at the Department of Justice. He goes on to say that Matt will end weaponized government,
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protect our borders, dismantle criminal organizations, and restore Americans' badly shattered faith and
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confidence in the Justice Department. He would be a very young attorney general. He's 42. He has been a
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very loyal supporter of the 45th president. This doesn't come without controversy or a little bit
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of criticism even from the right. He is known for being pretty brash.
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He made this comment at a summit that women protesting for abortion rights were too unattractive
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to be impregnated. He said, why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant
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are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a
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thumb. Matt Gates said, and I know a lot of people are scandalized by that. I'm much more scandalized
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that there are people who will protest for the right to kill, poison, and dismember a baby than I am
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that someone said something offensive about the people who are fighting for a right to
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kill the baby. And he was asked about this and he doubled down. Here's that one.
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Is it safe to say that based off of your comments, you're suggesting that these women at these
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What do you say to people who think that those comments are offensive?
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Now, whether you agree with how he described these women or not, it is, I would say, best
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practice when you are engaging with a reporter who is not acting in good faith or who is on the other
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side, not to apologize for something that you are not actually sorry for. That is actually a
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characteristic that you want to see in a kind of attorney general. He also is kind of known for
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doing things that catch media attention. For example, during COVID, this was March 4th, 2020,
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he wore a full-on gas mask into the chamber as he was having conversations with staff. He said,
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reviewing the coronavirus supplemental appropriation and preparing to go vote. So he's obviously kind of
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making fun of this whole thing, which he was really ahead of the curve on that because that
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was like back when we didn't know anything and he was already saying, okay, we're kind of going
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overboard. You also may remember that Gates, along with seven other Republicans, joined 208 House
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Democrats to overthrow House Speaker Kevin McCarthy from his position in October 23. So all of these
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things, the reason that they're relevant is because they are being cited as reasons why he shouldn't
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be attorney general, not necessarily because of the content of offensive remarks about abortion,
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you know, pro-choice protesters, but because some people would say that this is a serious position
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for a serious person and they might condemn him as just wanting media attention or kind of pulling
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these stunts to be disruptive and divisive rather than getting the job done. On the other side of
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the argument is, while we need someone who is willing to disrupt, we need someone who is unrelenting and
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unapologetic, who really doesn't care at all what the big government mainstream media narrative is and is
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willing to chart his own path. And some people, because he is, I would say, uniquely hated by a lot
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of people on the left and what some people would describe as the deep state, would say that this is
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Trump basically, sorry for the crude term, but giving like a middle finger to the establishment because
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he certainly is not an establishment pick. Now, because of his nomination, seemingly because of
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his nomination, he has resigned from his position as congressman. House Speaker Mike Johnson announced
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that Gates resigned from Congress effective immediately soon after Trump's shock announcement
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on Wednesday. His resignation came reportedly before a Friday vote on whether to release a House
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Ethics Committee report related to allegations of sexual misconduct and drug use involving Gates.
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Gates's resignation will end the investigation as the panel no longer has jurisdiction to pursue
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the investigation. So, of course, many people are putting things together and surmising
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that the reason that he resigned wasn't really because he was nominated by Trump as the attorney general,
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but in order to end this investigation, this Ethics Committee investigation, once you are no longer
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in Congress, as I just said, they don't have jurisdiction, they don't have a reason to investigate
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anymore. Some people are saying he was preempting the findings of this investigation and even going so
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far as to conclude that Donald Trump nominated him so he could resign with dignity so that the results
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of this Ethics Committee investigation would not come to light. Now, that is a hypothesis.
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That is a guess that people are making. We do not know that, but those are the pieces that some people
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Okay, so this investigation of Matt Gaetz, if you don't know much about this, I didn't really either.
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I remember when this whole thing started and I heard some details about it, but I really had to
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dig in to figure out what the details were and what the timeline is. So the Fed started investigating the
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Florida congressman in the summer of 2020. The FBI executed a search warrant on Gaetz later that
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year, seizing his cell phone and his cell phone belonging to his ex-girlfriend. The public learned
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of the existence of this investigation in 2021 when the New York Times reported that prosecutors were
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investigating whether Gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old in 2019 and paid
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for her to travel with him in violation of federal sex trafficking laws. According to reporter and author
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Molly Hemingway, the New York Times' anonymously sourced report contained no evidence of sex crimes
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or official comments from investigators. Hemingway argued that this was really a guilt-by-association
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story. At the end of Trump's term in office, Gaetz reportedly sought a preemptive pardon from the
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president in case he were charged. That pardon was not given. In September 2022, after more than two
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years of investigating Gaetz, prosecutors recommended that no charges be filed against the Florida
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congressman, citing the reliability or lack of reliability of two witnesses. So the Feds declined
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to prosecute. You know that if the Feds had the evidence that they needed to prosecute, they would
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have done it. It would have been a shoo-in. So I think that is probably the best argument in his favor
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that the Feds declined to actually charge him. There's also, though, this House Ethics Committee
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probe that was going on kind of alongside but not together with the DOJ investigation. That began in April 2021.
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It was put on pause while the Justice Department investigated Gaetz in response to their request.
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Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy claimed that the ouster orchestrated by Gaetz came as a result of
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McCarthy not ending the ethics investigation. In June of this year, the House Ethics Committee released
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a public statement saying it would continue its investigation into Gaetz, which included additional
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allegations beyond sexual misconduct, including misused state ID records, converting campaign funds to
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personal use, and other charges related to gifts and standards of conduct. And so there is some
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baggage when it comes to this pick. And if Trump continues with this nomination, which I'm sure he will,
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because I'm sure he knew all of these allegations and the potential for controversy before he chose Matt Gaetz,
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we will see if he is actually able to get through the Senate confirmation process.
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Steve Dace called Gaetz's nomination perhaps the most giant middle finger presidential appointment in
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American history. A lot of people are saying, look, like this, we need this kind of disruptor.
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Representative Mike Simpson, a Republican from Ohio, said, I can't say this word. It's a cuss word.
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Are you S-wording me? He told the Huffington Post. Republican Susan Collins says, I was shocked at the
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nomination. This is why the Senate's advice and consent process is so important. I'm sure there will be many,
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many questions raised at Mr. Gaetz's hearing. Also, the New York Post learned from a source that
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several House GOP members meeting on Capitol Hill burst into uproarious laughter when Gaetz's
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appointment was announced. Of course, we don't know why. We don't know why they laughed at that. If
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they thought, wow, this is a giant middle finger to the deep state or whether they just didn't think
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it was serious. Vice President-elect J.D. Vance said this, and this is sarcasm, so I'll just go ahead and tell
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you that from from the top. The main issue with Matt Gaetz is that he used his office to prosecute his
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political opponents and authorized federal agents to harass parents who were peacefully protesting at
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school board meetings. Oh, wait, that's actually Merrick Garland, the current attorney general. So I think that
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gives us a peek into what the Trump team is thinking is that, look, like we're not going to get more
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corrupt than the Biden administration and the Obama administration. And so y'all can just cool it.
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Also, people are bringing up this very good point, like the Babylon Bee and this post on X, that the
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Biden administration is filled with a lot of freaks and weirdos. Biden administration declares Trump
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cabinet picks unqualified. And of course, they've got a picture of Mr. Rachel Levine. We've got Pete
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Buttigieg right there. And then we've got Corrine Jean-Pierre, who I think is a very beautiful woman.
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I do not know what was going on this day. I'm still very confused about this. And then we've got
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this freakazoid. And I think I can say that kindly. What was his name? Sam? Sam Britton? Sam Britton.
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And we even have luggage tags with his face on them because you remember he was, he's not only
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teaches like BDSM sex shops at colleges. He's also a cross dresser and he's a klepto. Like he was
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stealing women's luggage at like at the turns, the turnstiles at the airport. That's what they're
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called. Right. And so he's a giant weirdo. So this was the Biden administration. So the fact that people
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are clutching their pearls now and freaking out about this, that's the hypocrisy that is kind of
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being highlighted. Kyle Mann, editor in chief of the Babylon Bee said, smart of Trump to pick Matt
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Gates. Everyone's expectations for a second term were getting unrealistically high. So it was important
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to bring them back down to earth. You can take that as you will. Matt Walsh said, wow, incredible.
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Great pick. Trump is really serious about draining the swamp this time. And so mixed reactions
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from people, Molly Hemingway said the DOJ and FBI tried to frame Matt Gates. So this is her response,
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which I really trust Molly Hemingway, tried to frame Matt Gates in one of the worst ways possible
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for a man. Imagine what he would do to hold these awful corrupt people to account. So I think that is
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the best argument in Matt Gates's favor. If you believe that he was framed and that this was all
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just to set up to hold him back, keep him down, get him out of politics, that he will have rightful,
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righteous retribution to try to cut as much corruption as humanly possible as attorney general.
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So that's one pick that people were really surprised by mixed reactions to. And then there
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was Pete Hegseth. And he is a co-host of Fox and Friends on Fox News. We've had him on our show.
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He is a brilliant writer and amazing advocate of classical education. Of course, I'm 100%
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on board with that. He's written amazing books about classical education, the roots of classical
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education. I loved the conversation that I had with him a couple years ago. I knew that he was
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brilliant, but I had no idea because I just didn't know that we shared so much in common when it comes
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to our theology and our philosophy about education and all of that. And that book did extraordinarily
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well. And I'm very thankful for that because more people need to know about classical education
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and classical conversations. He is also a veteran himself and has done a lot with our military and
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veterans, just raising resources and raising awareness for the need for resources for our vets.
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And he is being tapped to serve as secretary of defense. And he has this amazing clip from the Sean Ryan
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show where he talks about the problem of progressivism in our military. Here's top six.
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There's a chance to course correct it, but it would take the new Trump administration going after it really
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hard. How would they correct it? Well, first of all, you got to fire, you know, you got to fire the chairman
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joint chiefs and you got to fire this. I mean, obviously you're going to bring in a new secretary
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of defense, but any general that was involved, general admiral, whatever that was involved in
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any of the DEI woke, it's got to go. Either you're in for war fighting and that's it. That's the only litmus
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test we care about. You got to get DEI and CRT out of military academies. So you're not training young
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officers to be baptized in this type of thinking. And then, you know, whatever the standards,
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whatever the combat standards were, say, and I don't know, 1995, let's just make those the
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standards. And as far as recruiting to hire the guy that, you know, did Top Gun Maverick and create
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some real ads that motivate people to want to serve. I know there were mistakes made on our tours all
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over the place, but I at least for the most part had a sense that my senior leaders were committed
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to the completion of the mission for the right reasons. And maybe there were strategic differences
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and all that other stuff. And it wasn't always perfect, but I, and that, that trust is broken
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and you have to reestablish that trust by, by putting in no nonsense war fighters in those
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positions who aren't going to cater to the socially correct garbage. I think he'll be a great secretary
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of defense. People were shocked by this just because, I mean, he is a TV host and I don't think that he
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was, um, even considered by a lot of outside people to be on the short list. I mean, right now we've got
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secretary of defense Lloyd Austin. And the only thing I can think of is this picture of him from
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2021 wearing not only this mask, but also like this visor. Really? Really? I mean, this just doesn't
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depict a whole lot of like courage for me. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. And of course he is
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just, he has regurgitated all of the progressive talking points when it comes to LGBTQ stuff and race.
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And so I think that Pete Hedgeth will be a great secretary of defense. All right. We are going
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to get Megyn Kelly's reaction to not only this, but her response to some media news, the shakeup layoffs
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happening at CNN, um, MSNBC apparently being sold. And we're also going to talk about some personal
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stuff with her. Like how did she go from this very contentious publicly contentious relationship
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with Donald Trump to then supporting him publicly speaking at one of his rallies? We didn't get her
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reaction to Matt Gaetz's nomination. Actually that announcement happened after we recorded this
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episode, but she will talk about Pete Hedgeth and some of the other people that were picked
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appreciate it. Gosh, you've been so busy, even busier than usual, it seems like, over the past couple
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weeks. Oh, but like joyously busy, right? The past week has just been so glorious. It's a pleasure to
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come to work. Oh, yes. I've heard the joy in your voice. It's contagious over the past couple weeks or
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so. I don't remember ever feeling this way about an election, to be honest. I'm usually more like,
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whatever. Not much is going to change depending on who wins. I just feel so differently this time
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around. Yes. Gosh, it's a huge relief. I feel the same way. And actually, every Trump supporter that I
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talked to the day of, obviously, we had no idea how it was going to go. But there was this sense
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of contagious peace and joy among all of us. We all felt, even before the vote started coming in,
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that, okay, I think we have this. Like, I don't want to say it out loud, but I think we have this.
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Did you feel that way? I went a different way because I like to prepare myself for the worst
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possible outcomes and like get okay with it. The last thing I wanted was to be one of those blubbering
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fools on the air, you know, if bad news came in. So I was like, she's probably going to win. She's
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got this ground game. I'm just going to accept that that could happen and maintain my dignity so
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I can handle the results like a pro. And then, you know, when it started unfolding that night,
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it was like, oh my God, this is, it's real. I don't, I can let go of that nonsense and celebrate.
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Yeah, man. Speaking of blubbering fools, I know that you've seen these videos going around of
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these women who set up their tripod and set up their phone, put it on their dashboard, whatever,
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just to cry and scream into the camera. I see that. And I'm like, gosh, I'm so glad that they
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did not get the political representation that they need. And now they're vowing like not to have sex,
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not to have kids, not to get married, to forfeit all of those things. Do you think that they are
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serious about their commitment to chastity? Sadly, no, because I think it's a great idea
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in their case. I don't think they should reproduce. We don't need further generations of that weakness
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and hot messiness. And I don't think they're really going to have much opportunity though,
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back on the good side of the ledger. I don't, I don't get the impression from most of these videos
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that these ladies are beating them off with a stick. That's why they feel comfortable shaving
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their hair. It's like, eh, no, no real difference. It's what six, one way half a dozen.
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Yeah. It's just kind of performative. No, you can take it to the bank. It's like,
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I don't know what it is about conservatives, but you can like, by and large, it's a very attractive
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group. They tend to be people who have their lives together, who like care about grooming,
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who care about presentation. And when somebody comes up to me on the college campus to say,
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and I, and before I know what, they're going to say, I'm a fan or, um, you know, I don't,
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I don't like you. If it's an attractive woman, you can take it to the bank that it's going to be
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conservative. So these leftist women who somehow think it's a middle finger to the man to lean into
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unattractiveness are really only hurting themselves and really, you know, hooking up and getting pregnant
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is probably the last thing they need to worry about. Sorry. Yeah. There's a lot of issues.
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There's some deep issues, much deeper than Donald Trump, I think. Um, you know, speaking of kind of
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like putting emotions to the side, I do think politically one side seems to be better at doing
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that than the other side. As much as we hear that, Oh, MAGA just wants power. Republicans just want more
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power. We actually don't worship our politicians and we are able to separate how we feel and even our
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personal lives from what we think about politics, even though those things do overlap, we kind of
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understand the proper ordering of things. And I was thinking about this a lot as I heard you announce
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that you are going to be speaking at Donald Trump's rally. I was so pumped for you. So excited. That was
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exactly what was needed. But of course, I think back to eight years ago when you and Trump had that
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infamously heated exchange on the debate stage. You asked him about some of his previous comments about
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women. He goes on the Don Lemon show, basically says that you were on your period when you asked
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that question. And like, that was very contentious. You have come a long way, both of you in the past
00:25:47.420
eight years. And I'm just wondering, like, what was that like behind the scenes from you, for you
00:25:52.380
personally going from that contentious exchange to then rallying for Donald Trump?
00:25:57.680
I mean, it's been quite a long, strange trip. You know, that when I asked that question back in 15,
00:26:05.560
I liked Trump. I didn't have a problem with Trump. He and I had always gotten along.
00:26:09.560
He had been all over me in the week prior. He was upset about a segment I had done and he was getting
00:26:14.680
nasty. That's not why I drafted that question. That question had been in the bank for months,
00:26:19.200
but I knew it probably wasn't going to go over well because he was already mad at me. And I knew it was a
00:26:25.100
hard question. And so then he attacked me, which was fine. You know, I was I'm in the arena. I'm
00:26:30.500
fair game. But then it just went on for so long and it got so personal. And then the threats in my
00:26:35.000
life went up that I really came to dislike the man. I was not his fan. Yeah. And then he started to
00:26:41.980
govern, you know, then he won and he started to govern and we had settled our differences. I went to
00:26:46.520
see him at Trump Tower. We made up and then I gave him a congratulatory call when he won. So we were
00:26:50.620
technically fine on paper, but there still wasn't any love lost between us. Then he started to
00:26:55.580
govern, Ali Beth. And I was like, oh, I love that. Oh, I like that, too. Well, this is great. Oh,
00:27:01.440
look what's happening here. Oh, and this and then the final thing for me was the Brett Kavanaugh
00:27:06.020
nomination. And it was just so grossly unfair that what was being done to him. I was doing battle with
00:27:12.100
left wing reporters and pundits on NBC every morning. I couldn't believe the lies they were telling.
00:27:17.220
And, you know, it was very contentious and I was very defensive of Kavanaugh. And I just couldn't
00:27:23.060
believe Trump stuck by him, like the nerves of steel that that took. Any other president would
00:27:29.100
have abandoned that guy and said, this is not worth it for me. So I got a lot of great judges I can
00:27:34.180
elevate. He stood by him. And I just it was like a before and after moment for me on Trump. It was like,
00:27:40.040
I get it. All that stuff that I found very annoying, you know, his his willingness to fight,
00:27:46.460
you know, until he feels that he's emerged the victor, which when you're on the receiving end
00:27:51.740
of it is not that great. But when he's fighting for you is amazing. It's it's what differentiates
00:27:58.180
Trump from virtually every other politician is what was needed for Brett Kavanaugh. It's the reason
00:28:03.060
conservatives got that seat on the Supreme Court and he didn't have to go with somebody else.
00:28:07.940
And since then, it's only been getting rosier and rosier. And then, you know, during his four years
00:28:13.620
out of power, the lawfare against him, the assassination attempt and how he handled it,
00:28:19.220
I just see one of the strongest people I've ever laid eyes on when I see Trump now. And I'm
00:28:25.040
100 percent rooting for him. Yeah. Gosh, the Kavanaugh thing. That was a moment for me
00:28:30.500
that I kind of felt radicalized. I think that my own skin got a lot thicker during that time
00:28:36.420
as I was watching the unfair attacks on Kavanaugh and just I mean, Kamala Harris, too, maybe the
00:28:42.600
most vicious of them all when it comes to those hearings. And honestly, I hadn't really thought
00:28:47.500
about it from the perspective of Trump's strength. But you're right. I think a lot of guys would have
00:28:52.980
seen, OK, it is way more politically advantageous for me to just abandon this guy. I mean, who cares?
00:28:58.320
It's just a guy I can get someone else nominated. But he didn't. He stuck by him. And you're right.
00:29:03.920
That is a trait that we have seen over and over again. And I just wonder if that's really what did
00:29:09.100
it for him during the campaign. I was worried after Kamala Harris got in. I felt like their footing
00:29:14.660
was just off. They couldn't land a good attack on her right after she entered the race. And yeah, I
00:29:21.460
guess I just didn't see it at the time because it was obviously an absolute spanking. And I'm wondering
00:29:27.820
from your perspective, and you probably are around more center, center left people even,
00:29:33.920
liberal people than I am. Did you get the sense from the people around you that they were kind of
00:29:40.900
on the same trajectory that you were seeing his strength, seeing his fortitude, seeing her craziness,
00:29:47.920
and that he was going to be the one to ultimately prevail against her?
00:29:53.740
I don't know. I think Trump didn't win, you know, any of the leftists I know over with how he handled
00:30:00.120
Kamala or even with the assassination attempt. I think he won a lot of them over because of the
00:30:06.680
DEI explosion over the past couple of years. Like my friends in New York who are what we used to
00:30:11.940
consider normal Democrats. They're not really woke. They're kind of open-minded, like, okay,
00:30:16.500
I'll self-flagellate if I need to because I'm a white woman. I guess I'll do a little of that,
00:30:20.280
but not really on board. You know, I'm kind of open-minded, but that's where most of my leftist
00:30:26.120
New York friends are. But then when they saw what happened after, you know, 10-7 and with the kids
00:30:32.360
in COVID and the lockdowns and being called white supremacists if they wanted their children in
00:30:36.380
school, it was just a slow boil for a lot of them where they started to say, I don't recognize myself
00:30:41.660
in this Democratic Party at all. And then, you know, Trump gave them just enough for them to say,
00:30:47.860
okay, I'll do it. You know, I think it started off for a lot of them because I knew, I do know a lot
00:30:51.380
who wound up ultimately voting Trump. It was initially hold the nose and do it. And then I
00:30:56.820
think by the time we actually got here with all that they threw at him, the lawfare and the
00:31:00.840
assassination and the fight, fight, fight, where they were like, you know what? And the girls,
00:31:04.600
the girls in sports thing, they went in there and much more proudly pulled the lever for him.
00:31:10.200
So I just think the Democrats misread what matters to women and what matters in particular,
00:31:16.400
including to Democrat women. Like many Democrat women are not woke and they're not as annoying
00:31:22.180
as their spokespeople are. And those are some of my friends. So I did see some of them migrating.
00:31:27.780
Yeah, it was interesting. The calculation they made, obviously she thought abortion was going
00:31:32.080
to win it for her. That's what she focused on in every single speech, every single rally,
00:31:36.600
so-called reproductive rights. That's when she got most animated because that's her
00:31:40.660
calling card. And obviously that just didn't do it for her. And I honestly thought maybe that will
00:31:47.260
work. Maybe I'm misreading things. And that is what most people care about, the conflation of
00:31:52.200
miscarriage and abortion, all of that. But what you see and what you're feeling is that even women
00:31:58.060
who might call themselves liberal, when they're thinking women's rights, they're really thinking
00:32:03.240
about the right to privacy and to fairness. Is that accurate?
00:32:07.220
You know what, you know what it came down to, Alibeth? And I said this, it was, to me,
00:32:11.880
it was the most important thing I said at that Trump rally the night before the vote. It was the
00:32:15.680
one thing I really wanted to say. And that was that the left thinks that women are so obsessed
00:32:23.080
with ending the lives that grow in their wombs. They forget that most of us are much more focused
00:32:29.660
on protecting the lives that are already here. That's how most of us spend our days thinking.
00:32:37.220
You know, what's happening with my children and how do I protect them and how do I foster a good
00:32:41.460
life for them and myself, right? I want to keep myself safe too. So I can stick around and see
00:32:45.900
and have my own experiences and also protect my children. And so it's not that abortion is not
00:32:51.140
an issue for people who might be on the fence about Trump and Kamala. There are a lot of pro-choice
00:32:56.720
women, including in the Republican party, who don't love what happened after Dobbs,
00:33:01.820
but they have a lot of other issues that also drive them. And their own children's safety and
00:33:08.300
wellbeing is at the top of the list. So this is one of the reasons why I said what I said that night.
00:33:15.920
You know, I raised the issues that are deeply important to me because I know these resonate
00:33:20.360
with people across the aisle too, like Lake and Riley, you know, killed at 22 years old by an
00:33:26.720
illegal from Venezuela while she was just trying to go to nursing college, like Peyton McNabb,
00:33:32.240
a sophomore in high school who's minding her own business, playing volleyball and gets
00:33:36.100
permanent paralysis and brain damage from a boy posing as a girl. It is not nice. It's not,
00:33:44.680
they don't have to be polite to the point where they accept brain damage to play this leftist game,
00:33:51.640
you know? And then the demonization of our boys is another piece of it because I think most moms
00:33:56.660
out there, even on the left are sick and tired of being told that their boys are second-class
00:34:02.880
citizens or can't get jobs just because they're boys. You know, it's like this leftist ideology has
00:34:09.600
gotten us into a very dark place. And I just wanted to remind them for people for whom abortion is not
00:34:16.920
the be all end all, which I knew was the majority of people, that there are a lot of really good
00:34:22.440
reasons, no matter how you feel about Trump, the man and the tweets or whatever, to vote for Trump
00:34:27.680
because he actually will protect a lot of the things we care most deeply about.
00:34:32.020
And at least to vote against Kamala Harris, because I know a lot of people that were simply
00:34:37.240
voting against Kamala Harris. And there were a lot of good reasons to do that. I think Title IX would
00:34:43.020
have been her highest priority on the first day, just like it was Biden's highest priority to make
00:34:48.440
sure that men could be in women's sports. And like, that's just the bridge too far for a lot of people.
00:34:53.660
They can get on board with some other, you know, tenets of progressivism that I can't get on board
00:34:58.020
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I'm curious on your take on the future of the media. I heard you on election night. I was sitting
00:36:09.980
next to Glenn Beck as he was talking to you. And he kind of thinks, OK, this is the end of mainstream
00:36:14.600
media. Obviously, not going to trust them anymore. They just don't carry the credit and the reliability
00:36:21.240
that they think they do. But you kind of disagreed with that. You said, you know, they're excited
00:36:27.260
about Trump because now they have a lot to talk about. They can stoke fear more than ever. Now we
00:36:32.420
know that CNN is laying off a bunch of people, apparently, and MSNBC is possibly being sold. And
00:36:37.860
so what's your take on their future? Yeah, I think they should be on their knees thanking God that Trump
00:36:44.080
won because their business model is failing. And they can't stay in business much longer unless they
00:36:50.080
improve their ratings. And Trump is a ratings machine. Look at him now with all, like, he doesn't
00:36:55.620
have to be announcing the cabinet this soon. He's doing because he likes driving the news cycle.
00:37:00.640
True. He likes to be in the news. It's his oxygen, you know, this kind of attention. And it's their
00:37:06.760
oxygen too. So no way it's perfect marriage. It's very symbiotic. He loves to be covered and they love
00:37:14.540
to cover him negatively and falsely with lies, but they love to cover him. So he was a lifeline
00:37:21.860
for them, at least for the next four years, which they very much needed. I don't think they're going
00:37:26.440
to close up shop in that time, but they're going to continue to shed viewers. I think they're like
00:37:31.900
CNN at least made a run at trying to go more middle of the road when they brought in Chris Licht
00:37:37.660
and that failed. The audience was like, we're all leftists now. We have no interest in being
00:37:43.320
fair and balanced. And instead of adding more viewers on the right, they fired Chris Licht.
00:37:49.220
So then they just leaned into their leftism and placed a few conservatives like Scott Jennings
00:37:55.840
on the air. So in the panoply of 10 commentators, you have one who says conservative things or who says
00:38:02.920
defensive things of Trump. And that's the new business model for them. So they're MSNBC light
00:38:08.520
because MSNBC doesn't even have a conservative doing any of the coverage. So I think they'll do
00:38:14.220
okay over the next four years because of Trump, because he drives, you know, the opposition who
00:38:19.260
will be watching MSNBC and CNN is almost dead. So any sort of a lifeline with the paddles, you know,
00:38:25.400
that's what Trump just did to them will be appreciated, but then it will fade. It will fade because
00:38:29.280
the business model is, it doesn't work. Something that I noticed is that Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon,
00:38:34.480
these are people whose shows, you know, I don't follow, I don't follow them, but I see
00:38:37.920
their content every now and then on my timeline. And I will say they've become a lot more interesting
00:38:43.580
since they left CNN. It actually seems like, I don't know if this is genuine or not. And I guess
00:38:48.160
that's my question, that they're more open to the conservative side. I actually saw Chris Cuomo give a
00:38:53.360
very good description of why people vote for Donald Trump, that they're hiring a guy to do a dirty job
00:38:57.980
and they don't really care about his, you know, moral mistakes and things like that. Do you think
00:39:04.840
that people like that who leave CNN and then all of a sudden become more fair and balanced,
00:39:10.560
was it CNN that was influencing them and they were just kind of lying because they had to at the time?
00:39:16.700
Or do you think that they are lying now just to try to get a bigger audience?
00:39:21.900
The latter. 100%. It's the latter. I mean, Don Lemon hasn't really changed his views at all.
00:39:28.700
He's out there saying that Kamala lost because of racism and misogyny and that the country is a
00:39:32.560
racist country. We just ran the soundbite the other day. I mean, he said it on camera. That's
00:39:37.060
how he covered election night, that we have to be honest. It's a racist, misogynist country.
00:39:40.540
He's the same old Don Lemon. Elon Musk resurrected his career by giving him an opportunity to come over to
00:39:45.540
X and said, welcome, cut a deal with him. Within 24 hours, he blew it by being his leftist self
00:39:52.160
and now is suing Elon, which is the latest in a slew of lawsuits I am told Don Lemon has brought
00:39:58.460
against employers. So he's the same old person he's ever been. Chris Cuomo is faking it because
00:40:05.100
he wants an audience. Go back and look at any night on the Chris Cuomo show when it was on CNN.
00:40:09.520
He's as left as they come. He comes from a party and a family of leftists. They're all leftists.
00:40:14.040
Only now do his brother and Chris come out and try to flirt with the right because they both have
00:40:20.540
careers that are in tatters. Chris Cuomo has about four viewers who watch him over on NewsNation
00:40:25.680
and he's trying to increase his numbers because NewsNation is trying to be palatable to both the
00:40:31.660
left and the right. But trust me when I tell you this guy can't stand Trump and he can't stand Trump
00:40:37.560
supporters. And I don't care who he says he voted for or how he says he understands Trump supporters.
00:40:41.720
I'll give you one reaction. When I went out and made my speech speech at the Trump rally,
00:40:46.620
he mocked it. He mocked me for saying that I believe Trump would protect me and American women.
00:40:53.060
So why would you do that? Anybody who actually supports Trump agreed with every word I said,
00:40:58.420
agreed that Trump is the person to vote for if you want the protection of your children.
00:41:02.540
Why would he do that? Because he's bitter and he's sad and he's tired of me attacking him,
00:41:08.220
which isn't going to stop here or anywhere else. He's jealous. Yes. He's a little jealous.
00:41:12.620
He is. Oh, he's 100 percent jealous. OK, can you give me a prediction? Until Donald Trump
00:41:19.100
actually takes office and is inaugurated, you mentioned he's announcing all of these picks,
00:41:24.420
which I think is awesome. But of course, it's got some liberals upset. Do you really think like
00:41:30.060
someone like Letitia, whoever in New York and all these people who say that they're going to stop
00:41:35.180
Trump? Are any of those attempts going to go anywhere or can Americans be confident that he
00:41:40.780
is going to take office and clean up the way that he says that he's going to?
00:41:47.060
Yeah, I have no doubt that no lawfare will stop Trump from taking office. I mean, I worry about
00:41:53.580
the man's safety still, very much so. But I don't I don't think lawfare is going to stand between Trump
00:42:00.220
and his oath of office on January 20th, which is thrilling. Right. You see these picks,
00:42:05.100
Ali Beth. It's like, oh, my gosh, this is so exciting. Elon Musk, the richest and maybe smartest
00:42:11.380
man in the world. Amazing. And certainly most accomplished is volunteering to help us out for
00:42:16.400
free. He just he just said, I'll come work for you. Would you like me to work for you, Ali Beth?
00:42:21.040
How about you, MK? Yes. Yes, I would. I would like that. Please do. Yeah. And so he's going to go in
00:42:25.900
there with Vivek. I imagine Vivek will be more of the workhorse between the two and Elon will have
00:42:30.160
the ideas, but we'll see and try to shed some of the fat that is all over our bureaucracy and,
00:42:38.440
you know, find efficiencies like the best corporate raiders sometimes do when they buy a company or
00:42:43.220
consider doing so. That's brilliant that, you know, Tom Hogan down at the at the border, along with
00:42:49.540
Stephen Miller, who is the one who came up with the policies like remain in Mexico. That was so
00:42:55.340
efficient at cleaning things up. We are so lucky that these people are willing to serve. Government
00:43:01.740
jobs don't pay well at all. They're not glamorous. You're in some crappy windowless office. There's
00:43:08.840
tons of red tape and hierarchies and not that many, you know, views of the outside world. This is great
00:43:15.960
that these people are willing to do it. Same for everybody up and down his roster. The only one I have
00:43:20.640
any problem with is Kristi Noem because she's a puppy killer and I did not want to see her
00:43:25.500
resurrected. I was I was kind of surprised by that. I had no idea that she was on the short list for
00:43:29.720
anything. That is a huge job. Obviously, I hope she does well. I saw that Stephen Miller, he has like
00:43:35.320
three jobs, which is interesting. I'm sure he'll do great on all of them. Pete Hedg Seth. He'll get it
00:43:39.900
done. He totally will. Pete Hedg Seth, I think, was a surprise for a lot of people, but I've only seen
00:43:45.320
excitement and positivity from our side. So yeah, I think Pete Hedg Seth will do great. He's got like
00:43:50.960
I love Pete and I defended him on the show today, but he he has like a like a personal history that's
00:43:57.080
a little less than pristine when it comes to the marriages and like that kind of thing. Yeah, I don't
00:44:02.820
see that killing you in today's day and age. Like 15 years ago, you couldn't get confirmed if you had
00:44:09.100
that. Yeah, we're much more careful about finding people who only had these perfect resumes personally
00:44:15.880
and professionally. Wasn't it Bernie Carrick who wasn't confirmed as DHS secretary because he had
00:44:21.860
like one illegal working for him for some period of time? It was like one short stint. I just don't
00:44:28.240
even think that would that would ruin your chances today. I feel like we've gotten laxer. Yeah. In a way
00:44:33.620
that's probably good. So we don't we don't miss out on people who may have whatever difficulty in
00:44:38.680
their relationships, but could be great in these roles. And I think because it doesn't matter. And
00:44:43.740
I think Kavanaugh showed us that that you can have a pristine past and they're still going to say that
00:44:48.540
they found something from 30 years ago. I think that kind of radicalized and strengthened a lot of
00:44:53.480
people. I'm excited about what's going to happen at the border. I think that's going to be really good
00:44:57.960
for the country. And you're right. These are people who just love America. And so I'm hopeful to praise God.
00:45:03.040
Thank you so much, Megan. And thank you for the part that you played in all of this. It was a huge,
00:45:07.240
huge role that you played and I'm just thankful for it. So go America.
00:45:10.880
Back at you. Oh, back at you, Allie Beth. It's a pleasure. I mean, we have nothing but blue skies
00:45:15.480
ahead. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Megan. Lots of love.
00:45:23.820
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Okay, so a ridiculous thing is happening on TikTok. Surprise, surprise. And I would get Bree's take on
00:46:29.500
this, but she's a little under the weather, so I'm not going to make her get on camera and use her voice
00:46:35.140
here. But this is make Aqua Tofana great again. Aqua Tofana great again. Okay, so this is the trend
00:46:43.760
that's happening on TikTok. You heard us refer just briefly, Megan and I, about the liberal foolishness
00:46:52.360
that is happening. Well, this is like peak foolishness and depravity. The women who did not
00:46:58.620
vote for Trump are not okay. There are actually some studies that show that liberal white women
00:47:04.740
have the worst mental health and are on the highest number of prescriptions for different kinds of
00:47:12.580
psychiatric disorders, and that is actually on the rise. And it doesn't surprise me at all. I mean,
00:47:18.600
I think there are a lot of reasons for that. I think like marital status is a reason for that. I think
00:47:23.140
their life choices are a reason for that. It's kind of like a chicken or the egg type thing that,
00:47:28.540
you know, you could analyze. I think a lot of them are sitting at home alone, fantasizing about being a
00:47:36.960
part of a Margaret Atwood novel and are watching MSNBC all day and they just become extremely bitter
00:47:44.400
and they fantasize about things like this that I'm about to explain to you. So the Mott Gum movement,
00:47:51.100
the make Aqua Tofana great again movement, gained popularity on TikTok following Trump's election when
00:47:56.620
women who were frustrated began posting murder fantasy videos in which they romanticized lacing men's
00:48:04.240
beverages with deadly poison as a justifiable response to fears about abortion rights under a
00:48:10.340
second Donald Trump presidency. They've been viewed millions of times on X or TikTok. They feature young
00:48:16.480
women fiendishly grinning as they mix a cup of tea or other drink with an unknown substance. So Aqua Tofana
00:48:24.600
is a historical poison that was first used apparently in the 1600s by Julia Tofana, who reportedly used it
00:48:31.880
to help women escape abusive marriages by killing husbands with a deadly poison containing arsenic lead
00:48:36.980
and belladonna. Like, are you guys okay? Your husband just, he just voted for the guy who just won the
00:48:45.900
popular vote and like most electoral votes. You know, like he didn't want to vote for the progressive,
00:48:53.260
maniacally pro-abortion, pro-gender transition in children, pro-open borders candidate. And you think
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that that justifies you poisoning him and murdering him? Okay, here's an example of this. This is a
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woman threatening to poison her husband, Satu. Okay, so if you were just listening to this, the text on
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there said, like, quote, your body, my choice. And that is actually in response to like a massive troll
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that's happening by some men on X on social media after Donald Trump won saying your body, my choice,
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which is, is dumb. And so she's saying that she's gonna kill someone because of that. Here is a woman
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telling other women to divorce their husbands immediately or to kill them. Saw three.
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Women who can divorce their husbands, I'm gonna need you to do it today. And who can't divorce their
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husband? Look up Aqua Tofana. I didn't say to do anything with it. I just said to look it up.
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That is so awful and so demonic. I mean, it's demonic what Kamala Harris stood for. But then
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to say that someone who didn't vote for that demonic agenda needs to be murdered, like it's so
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obvious, like where Satan has an end and where he has a hold. This is the party of death and
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destruction and divorce and division. Of course, that's not to say that people on the right don't
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get divorces, but to glorify something like this. And if you point out, well, Donald Trump has had a
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divorce and he's had multiple marriages. Yeah, I call that irony. I call it irony that the guy who
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actually has a personally sordid history is actually heading up the movement against the just
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exclusively demonic and depraved agenda agenda of the current Democratic Party and progressive
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activism. There's a woman looking up a poison recipe in case that girl whose husband gave her
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an egg apron for her birthday needs it, referencing Hannah Nealman of Ballerina Farms. Here's top five.
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Okay, so liberals have this like weird fantasy that there is this coalition of women, of black and
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brown people, also like randomly disabled people are thrown into here, LGBTQ people, polycule people,
00:51:50.560
all of these like people forming a coalition against the cis white straight male patriarchy and
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that we are all secretly on each other's side. And even the results of the election can't dissipate
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that strange idea that they have because it's not real. That's why we have the majority of Latino
00:52:12.820
men voting for Donald Trump. That's why we have a larger share of black men voting for Donald Trump.
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We even have 43% of Latino women voting for Donald Trump, which is a large share. That's why we still
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had the majority of white women voting for Donald Trump. And we still had a really good share of
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women in general voting for Donald Trump. And so this intersectionality, like a centered coalition
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team that they have in their heads, like John Lennon's Imagine coming to life, it's just not real. It's just
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not real. Identity politics, I think, is crumbling. People care more about policy. They care more about
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their pocketbooks. They care more about their ability to protect their daughter's privacy and their safety.
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They care more about these things than the so-called right to kill a child in the womb. They care more
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about these things than having the first woman president or the first black Indian woman president.
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Like they care more about things that actually affect their lives, affect their children, affect their
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safety, affect their ability to thrive. And they care about all of these very unrealistic, intangible
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things that progressives want them to care about, including the idea that climate change is going
00:53:37.000
to sink the United States in 12 years. And so I think that's what you've got. You've got a party that
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is addressing the tangible, real needs and pain points of Americans, and one that is trying to
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convince people that they have pain points that don't really exist and that they have the solutions to
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those imaginary pain points. And that's just a tough sell. We live in the real world.
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And so pray for these people. You guys have been so sweet to send me so much encouragement this week
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because after Sophia Bush, I just, I mean, she just lost it. She lost her cool as we were debating
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publicly on Instagram about abortion. And of course, I got tons of messages, expletive-laden messages
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from people like this in my DM saying, I have no idea what I'm talking about and calling me all kinds of
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names. And you just got to, you have to pray for those people because we were all lost at one point.
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Maybe we weren't all exactly like that, but we were all deluded in our minds in some way. And these
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women on TikTok, extremely deluded, extremely lost, extremely lonely, extremely deceived. And we just
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got to pray for these people. All right. We'll be back here on Monday with a really special,
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important episode with Justin Haskins that I know y'all are going to love. Just mind-blowing. See you