Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1113 ｜ Doctor Warning Against Trans 'Care' SILENCED by Gag Order ｜ Guest： Andrea Haim

00:00:01.000 Dr. Etan Haim is a whistleblower from Texas Children's Hospital, where he uncovered doctors secretly performing transgender procedures to gender-confused children.

00:00:15.420 Well, he has been indicted by the federal government on a bunch of bogus charges, and he has just been given a gag order.

00:00:24.280 The judge is threatening him with federal prison if he does not stop talking about this case.

00:00:29.820 Well, now his wife, Andrea Haim, who is a lawyer, is here to tell us what is really going on.

00:00:39.000 This is a fascinating and disturbing look at the incompetence and the evil that exists in parts of our government, and it's time for us to share the arrows with the Haim family. 1.00

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00:01:08.960 Andrea, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. I saw your thread on Axe.

00:01:14.160 Some people are probably familiar, if they remember Vanessa Sivage's episode that we did, but could you just remind us, who is your husband?

00:01:23.160 Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me on, Allie Beth.

00:01:25.560 So my name is Andrea Haim. My husband is Dr. Etan Haim.

00:01:29.880 He is a general surgeon, and he was a whistleblower who exposed that Texas Children's Hospital,

00:01:35.260 which is the largest children's hospital in the world, was lying to the public about the existence of its transgender program for children.

00:01:44.200 As a result of his whistleblowing, the Texas legislature passed SB 14, which was the law banning transgender care for minors in the state of Texas,

00:01:54.080 which took effect in September.

00:01:55.620 And an investigation started into Texas Children's from the Texas Attorney General's Office.

00:02:02.100 After that, we received a felony indictment against my husband.

00:02:06.280 He's been indicted on four felony counts for various completely made up and baseless violations of HIPAA.

00:02:13.860 And we've been fighting that since June of 2023.

00:02:18.500 So, you know, I think I do think what happened was in retaliation for him speaking out.

00:02:23.040 But ultimately, our goal was always to protect children.

00:02:27.280 I'm speaking out today instead of him because my husband is under what we've been calling a de facto gag order or a non-gag gag order.

00:02:37.000 He's been really active on X, posting about what's happened to us in this case and some of the government corruption that we've experienced.

00:02:44.860 And the judge has basically instructed him not to continue to speak out, you know, about the government, about the prosecutors.

00:02:54.900 And we don't know the consequences for violating that.

00:02:59.060 And I can get into, you know, specifically what we think that order means.

00:03:02.720 But for now, it's safer for me to be the one speaking out on his behalf.

00:03:06.840 OK, so tell me what your husband saw that compelled him to speak out about it.

00:03:14.420 Obviously, we know that these transgender procedures, the medications prescribed, it wasn't supposed to be happening. 1.00

00:03:21.940 And yet it was continuing to happen.

00:03:24.080 But what specifically did he see that made him say, OK, I've got to say something about this?

00:03:30.260 So we have been married only a couple of months.

00:03:31.960 We got married in August of 2022 and in fall of 2022, Etan was working as a surgery resident.

00:03:39.600 So he was doing his surgical training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, one of the best surgery training programs in the country.

00:03:47.080 And they cover a variety of hospitals around the Texas Medical Center, which is the largest medical center in the world, including Texas Children's, the largest children's hospital in the world.

00:03:57.360 My husband did a lot of work there.

00:03:58.880 And some of his colleagues had told him that they were implanting puberty blocking devices into children as young as 11 years old, 11, 12, 13 year old kids.

00:04:11.460 So we sort of heard this just as a rumor.

00:04:13.980 My husband had done those procedures before, but only on kids who actually had real hormonal deficiencies and needed that treatment.

00:04:22.300 So the fact that they were doing it on kids who claim to have gender dysphoria was really surprising.

00:04:27.580 So he told me that this, you know, that he had heard rumors of this going on.

00:04:31.880 People had told him specifically that they had done it.

00:04:35.380 And, you know, we started to look into it further.

00:04:38.880 And the first thing I did was Google Texas Children's, you know, transgender program.

00:04:44.160 It didn't exist on the Internet.

00:04:46.220 And that's really remarkable.

00:04:47.860 Texas Children's didn't put anything out.

00:04:49.440 And the only thing that you could see was a statement from March of 2022, in which Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally that they were stopping their program due to a Texas Attorney General opinion that these procedures may be considered child abuse under Texas law.

00:05:06.000 So they were stopping.

00:05:07.120 They say it was.

00:05:08.340 I would say it was stopping the program.

00:05:10.700 But they never admitted that they restarted it.

00:05:12.940 So it was surprising to hear these procedures were still going on.

00:05:15.660 And, you know, we Googled it.

00:05:21.740 And if you Google Texas Children's, you know, you can find the most rare chromosomal diseases.

00:05:26.920 You know, everything has a place because people need to know to go online and look for doctors that treat their child's condition.

00:05:34.300 So we started to hear that this was happening.

00:05:36.280 And then someone sent my husband a link to a Zoom conference in January of 2023, which was hosted by the Baylor College of Medicine Medical Ethics Organization.

00:05:48.340 It is essentially a medical ethics student organization.

00:05:51.000 And we joined that Zoom call.

00:05:52.940 And I actually joined myself under my maiden name so my husband wasn't implicated and reported that.

00:06:00.000 And what we learned is that Texas Children's had an extensive transgender medicine program.

00:06:06.740 They were implanting puberty blockers and doing and prescribing puberty blockers on children as young as 11 years old.

00:06:13.760 And they started doing this only three days after they said that they paused or stopped the program.

00:06:18.660 And that they, you know, were they had the doctors who were part of this program on there.

00:06:25.680 And those doctors said that they were prescribing puberty blockers to children, that they were telling parents that they needed to agree or consent to giving children puberty blockers.

00:06:38.620 Otherwise, you know, since they use this line, which I know that Vanessa said a lot as well, and people in the media talked about, which is that, would you rather have a living son or a dead daughter?

00:06:49.500 And I think this is one of the most malicious lies that has to do with those transgender medicine children. 1.00

00:06:55.140 And not only that, but recently, just last week, in an oral argument before the Supreme Court, the attorney for the ACLU admitted that there's no evidence that puberty blockers on children or, you know, these hormonal interventions decrease the risk of suicide.

00:07:12.720 So they completely backed away from it.

00:07:14.460 It was always a fiction.

00:07:15.780 And we knew that they were doing that to parents.

00:07:17.880 We knew they were doing that to children.

00:07:19.180 And they admitted in that Zoom conference as well that they were doing it to hide in a way that would hide it from governing medical bodies by failing to publish or, you know, to write down consults to the transgender clinic.

00:07:33.580 So the whole thing was, you know, extremely, within a hospital, it was public.

00:07:37.820 But to, you know, the outside public, to parents who may be taking their children to Texas Children, you would never know that this program existed.

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00:08:36.580 Okay, so that was 2022 that he started speaking up about it?

00:08:45.720 It was actually the only person that he found out about it.

00:08:50.200 He found out about it in fall of 2022.

00:08:53.240 We started learning more about it in spring of 20, in winter of 2023.

00:08:59.120 We had that Zoom conference, which I mentioned.

00:09:01.580 He also found a Grand Rounds lecture, which was, you know, these are hosted by the pediatric program at Texas Children's.

00:09:09.800 They're open to the public, and they are essentially, you know, like the most prestigious lecture series within the hospital, which states the institutional priorities.

00:09:18.880 So we learned from that that the program existed in exactly how they were starting children on puberty blockers, young, then moving to cross-text hormones, and then advising, moving on to actual surgeries, including phalloplasty, vaginoplasty, things like that.

00:09:34.240 So we started to learn about that, and then he started reaching out anonymously to journalists in spring of 2023.

00:09:43.980 He wanted to get the story out and have people know what was happening, that Texas Children's was lying to the public.

00:09:49.940 But at that time, we were completely anonymous.

00:09:52.340 You know, he didn't want anyone to know his identity, frankly.

00:09:54.720 And then, alongside the journalist, Christopher Ruffo, in May 2023, Chris Ruffo finally picked up the story and saw what was happening.

00:10:06.860 In addition to the evidence I just mentioned, my husband provided redacted surgeries and endocrine clinic schedules, which showed unequivocally that they were doing transgender procedures on children, at Texas Children's, starting only three days after they said that they stopped.

00:10:23.300 And my husband provided schedules that were redacted.

00:10:26.220 He didn't release any protective patient information, just the fact that these procedures were happening.

00:10:31.000 And this was 2023, that he was talking to Christopher Ruffo, and he just thought, okay, I need to get this out there.

00:10:37.780 Can you tell me, before we go on, why did it disturb your husband so much?

00:10:43.000 Not just when it comes to the hospital lying about it.

00:10:46.840 Obviously, there's an ethical issue there.

00:10:48.760 But I am gathering that he was disturbed by the procedures themselves.

00:10:54.720 And so, medically and morally, why was he against these procedures happening?

00:11:01.280 The procedures involved, so the main thing that Texas Children's was doing that we were aware of were puberty blockers.

00:11:08.160 And they were doing it in two ways.

00:11:09.400 They were prescribing medication puberty blockers and doing injections.

00:11:13.120 And they were also implanting surgical devices into the office.

00:11:16.240 And my husband's done these procedures before, and he explained them to me at length.

00:11:19.560 Essentially, what you do is you cut into a child's arm, and you implant a small device that's about this big that, you know, stays, I believe it's for a year that it stays in there.

00:11:30.500 And the puberty blockers, as was admitted, again, in the Supreme Court oral argument in the Scremeni case last week, render children infertile.

00:11:39.080 The evidence has overwhelmingly showed that children who start three blockers will never have, you know, well, in almost all cases, not be able to have children.

00:11:51.800 They also have long-term effects, including affecting brain development, your heart, your growth.

00:11:59.320 You know, young boys may never have adult genitalia.

00:12:03.240 You know, it stunts your growth in every way.

00:12:05.160 There are 20-year-olds with osteoporosis because of the hormones that they're started on.

00:12:12.360 And this is just the beginning.

00:12:13.920 The puberty blockers are bound up in and of themselves.

00:12:16.300 But 90-something percent of those children who go on puberty blockers end up on cross-sex hormones and surgery.

00:12:23.680 Yeah.

00:12:23.760 So I think, you know, people say, or at least on, you know, proponents of transgender care for children have said that these procedures are irreversible.

00:12:33.280 And that's absolutely not true.

00:12:35.480 And I don't even think that they're standing behind that anymore.

00:12:38.040 They say that they're reversible, that it's no big deal, that you're just pausing for a little bit.

00:12:44.380 But your husband knows from a medical standpoint that's not true.

00:12:46.740 And just to clarify, reiterate, you already said this, but to reiterate again, that your husband has performed these procedures,

00:12:52.820 but not because a healthy child just thinks that they're the opposite sex.

00:12:56.980 But there may be some actual legitimate medical diagnosis that requires puberty blockers or something like that.

00:13:05.180 So what your husband saw was, okay, this is being used for a non-legitimate diagnosis in that it's not required.

00:13:12.660 This child is not requiring to be put on cross-sex hormones or to be given a puberty blocker.

00:13:18.420 This is going to carry risks that really have no reward on the other side.

00:13:24.720 So even just from a scientific standpoint, your husband is thinking this is a huge problem,

00:13:30.060 and parents are being manipulated, and the public and the state is being lied to.

00:13:35.940 Absolutely.

00:13:36.740 And I think, Dani, I know you've had Vanessa Sivage on your show.

00:13:39.400 She was a nurse whistleblower that came out after ATOM came out in May of 2023. 0.97

00:13:44.120 They both initially came out anonymously.

00:13:45.940 And as Vanessa said, she used to describe what was going on in these patient groups,

00:13:49.380 that they were asking children as young as 11 to consent to a loss of fertility.

00:13:55.340 I just had a baby two months ago.

00:13:57.780 I can't have even imagined having the mental capacity to know what that means and to make that decision at 11 years old.

00:14:04.960 So I think morally what was happening to these children,

00:14:07.760 they were being put on irreversible medical treatments that have a host of serious medical risks that stay with them forever.

00:14:16.600 And the parents weren't being appropriately informed about it, and the children can't consent to it.

00:14:22.760 So it was really, what was happening was absolutely disturbing.

00:14:26.080 And I think we both knew, he certainly knew, and I agreed with him that he needed to speak out.

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00:15:53.420 Okay, so continuing on the timeline, he talked to Chris Rufo.

00:16:02.080 Initially, at this point, was he still anonymous?

00:16:05.100 Yes.

00:16:05.720 He was anonymous until 2024.

00:16:09.080 So we were trying to stay anonymous.

00:16:10.780 It really, I never thought I would go public with this case.

00:16:14.800 I did for the reason, you know, for the gag order reason I stated earlier.

00:16:18.500 But he never intended to either.

00:16:20.880 You know, we were perfectly content to remain anonymous, to get the information out there to the people who needed it,

00:16:26.300 namely the Texas Attorney General's Office and the Texas Legislature.

00:16:29.700 So in May of 2023, Christopher Rufo publishes an article.

00:16:36.620 My husband is listed as an anonymous whistleblower from Texas Children's that included these schedules,

00:16:42.960 that included the Zoom conference, and it included the Graham Rounds Lecture,

00:16:47.360 showing that Texas Children's was flying to the public.

00:16:50.640 And he shows that article from what we've spoken, we've spoken to people in the Texas government

00:16:56.660 who have said that that article was disseminated to every senator that was voting on SB 14,

00:17:03.700 which was the fail to ban transgender interventions on minors.

00:17:07.240 And that vote happened a day or maybe two days after my husband's story went public.

00:17:12.000 And when that story went public, there were representatives, particularly from the Houston area,

00:17:20.060 including Democrats, who came out and said, I didn't know this was happening in my district.

00:17:25.000 And they switched their votes and the bill ultimately passed.

00:17:28.960 And so, you know, transgender interventions on minors are illegal under Texas law now.

00:17:34.380 That happened in May 2023.

00:17:37.340 So I think at minimum, my husband's story had an influence on that bill.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:43.860 The Texas Attorney General's office, Ken Paxton's office, started an investigation into Texas Children's,

00:17:49.660 which I don't know the status of that, but I believe it's still ongoing.

00:17:53.360 And Vanessa came out and said, what was happening inside the clinic room?

00:17:57.620 So we were content.

00:17:58.980 That was it.

00:17:59.640 We were done.

00:18:00.240 You know, my husband, honestly.

00:18:02.820 But a month later, in June of 2023, the day of my husband's graduation from his medical,

00:18:12.780 his surgical residency, we received a knock on the door from two armed federal agents from

00:18:18.680 Health and Human Services who told ATOM that they were here to investigate a case involving

00:18:23.840 medical records.

00:18:25.180 And at the time, we were getting ready for his graduation.

00:18:28.380 His family was in town.

00:18:29.980 It was a celebratory day.

00:18:32.240 And I was in the shower getting ready.

00:18:35.460 And my husband comes in and he says, there's two federal agents here from HHS and they want

00:18:40.680 to talk to me.

00:18:42.260 And so I get ready as quickly as I can.

00:18:44.880 I think I had half of the face of makeup on.

00:18:46.840 My hair was probably still wet.

00:18:48.700 And I go out and my husband's sitting at our dining room table talking to these agents.

00:18:53.680 And they're setting up a video camera because they want to get a statement from him.

00:18:58.420 But I'm an attorney myself.

00:19:00.120 And I remember from Criminal Adjudication 101 that if federal agents come to your home,

00:19:07.120 you have the right to ask for an attorney.

00:19:09.300 And so I took ATOM into the bedroom and we talked about it.

00:19:11.800 And I said, I really think that we shouldn't do this without you having an attorney.

00:19:16.700 So he asked for an attorney and they left.

00:19:19.040 But before they left, they served him what's called a target letter, informing him that

00:19:23.800 he was the target of a criminal investigation involving medical records.

00:19:29.320 And I think we both at that moment knew exactly what that meant.

00:19:33.300 So that day, I mean, it was one of the most surreal days of my life.

00:19:37.240 We had no idea what to do.

00:19:39.400 We immediately contacted Chris Rufo, who dropped everything and said, OK, I'm going to help

00:19:44.520 you find an attorney.

00:19:45.140 And he texted us the name of an attorney who's now my husband's attorney.

00:19:51.660 Her name's Marcella Burke.

00:19:53.340 And I think after five minutes of speaking to her, her partner, Jeff Hall, and then another

00:19:59.400 attorney that she got later, we knew immediately that she was the right person for the job,

00:20:04.340 that she understood what this was.

00:20:06.900 And she understood the cause that my husband was fighting for.

00:20:09.480 Um, so after lining that up, you know, I had champagne at the apartment because it was

00:20:15.060 my husband's graduation day.

00:20:16.480 So we had, you know, some champagne and we planned, you know, our war strategy.

00:20:21.160 We were, we knew that what this was going to be was going to change our lives forever.

00:20:25.160 And that's exactly what happened.

00:20:26.960 And, um, and it's been a year and a half, over a year and a half now since that, uh, that

00:20:32.360 graduation day and it's just something different.

00:20:36.760 And, um, yeah.

00:20:37.760 Tell me about that.

00:20:38.640 Tell me what the timeline has been since then.

00:20:41.420 What is this fight looked like?

00:20:43.820 So after June, 2023, my husband was under investigation.

00:20:47.040 Um, and what happened over the next six months is I can only describe it as corruption.

00:20:53.180 Um, you know, I, it was unbelievable what the communications with the attorneys and the

00:20:59.660 federal prosecutor was like, um, the federal prosecutor on the case at the time was a woman 1.00

00:21:04.420 named Tina Ansari.

00:21:05.580 She's a prosecutor in the Southern District of Texas, which covers Houston.

00:21:09.480 And from the beginning, she made clear that she sent federal agents to our home without

00:21:14.100 knowing what statute she was even prosecuting a ton under.

00:21:17.780 She couldn't name it.

00:21:18.620 They believe they were egregiously just informed about the facts.

00:21:22.160 They thought that he released patient names, which was absolutely not the case.

00:21:26.080 And they essentially admitted that, um, she, uh, told him that she had, uh, she told her

00:21:33.780 attorneys that she had spoken with the victims from the ACLU, um, you know, for the ACLU and

00:21:41.400 that, um, you know, she felt bad for them and, um, you know, was, you know, horrified at what

00:21:48.180 he had done.

00:21:48.900 She wanted him to apologize.

00:21:51.200 Um, and most importantly, what is meant by victims from the ACLU?

00:21:56.380 So the ACLU was representing, we understand, and this is all laid out in a letter that my

00:22:02.200 husband's attorney wrote to Congress, um, where they've laid out all of the corruption that

00:22:07.160 happened prior to January, 2023, and, um, including communications with prosecutors, because what

00:22:13.560 happened was so egregious that they felt that they needed to disclose it to Congress and

00:22:19.280 specifically to a weaponization on the federal government committee.

00:22:22.640 2023 or 2024?

00:22:24.960 20, early 2024 is when, I'm sorry.

00:22:27.220 Early 2024.

00:22:28.020 That's okay.

00:22:28.440 I just want to make sure.

00:22:29.340 So, cause at that point you had seen the corruption, you knew that you were under, or he was under

00:22:33.720 federal investigation, you had talked to these prosecutors who apparently don't even know

00:22:38.120 what exactly they're prosecuting.

00:22:40.400 So then in January, 2024, at the beginning of this year is when you talked to Congress

00:22:45.080 and you were like, this is everything that's been happening.

00:22:48.020 And so, yes, sorry, continue, continue on.

00:22:51.160 Um, what, what is the ACLU's involvement in this?

00:22:55.140 So the ACLU, we believe was representing the, um, transgender children who are going to Texas

00:23:01.600 children.

00:23:01.860 Again, their identities have never been released.

00:23:04.720 They're not released by my husband.

00:23:06.220 Nobody could identify them.

00:23:07.540 In fact, the government released information about these children than we ever did because

00:23:13.060 their indictment includes the, uh, you know, initials of the kids, something my husband

00:23:17.840 does not include in what he and Christopher Ruppo.

00:23:20.220 So I'm sorry, you understand cause you're an attorney and so you can help me understand

00:23:25.820 how, so it's the, it's the feds that have indicted your husband.

00:23:32.020 But he's not getting sued by the ACLU, correct?

00:23:36.040 So was it the ACLU and the patient?

00:23:38.080 So is it that the patients after Christopher Ruffo's article came out, they would have gone

00:23:43.460 to the ACLU and the ACLU would have then complained to the government and say, and said, hey, you

00:23:48.360 need to get this guy?

00:23:49.300 I believe, I believe so.

00:23:51.980 Okay.

00:23:52.260 So we don't really know.

00:23:53.220 To be honest, I can't tell you exactly what the involvement is.

00:23:56.600 We know that she mentioned talking to the families of the victims and we know that the

00:24:00.840 ACLU was involved in some capacity.

00:24:03.240 I couldn't tell you exactly what we're doing.

00:24:06.340 Got it.

00:24:07.360 Okay.

00:24:08.040 Okay.

00:24:08.460 So your husband talks to Congress in January, 2024.

00:24:12.280 Yeah.

00:24:12.940 My husband's lawyers write a letter to Congress explaining what's been happening.

00:24:16.520 And really, I mean, there are two other things that happened during that sort of June to December

00:24:22.240 2023 time period.

00:24:23.860 Um, one was that she told my husband, um, and this is in the letter that my lawyers wrote

00:24:30.200 to Congress, you know, recognizing that any false statements would be legally actionable.

00:24:35.760 Uh, she told my husband essentially that, um, if he didn't plead that she was going to 0.98

00:24:41.400 go after him for a felony and that she was going to go after him without concern for losing. 1.00

00:24:46.480 So she said to our, you know, to my husband's attorneys from the beginning that this was a malicious

00:24:52.940 prosecution.

00:24:54.520 Uh, the other thing that she did was she threatened in the very first conversation she had with

00:24:59.160 my attorney, she threatened my career.

00:25:01.760 Uh, I actually work at the department of justice myself.

00:25:04.420 Um, and at the time I was going, I was undergoing a federal background check, um, which is a part

00:25:10.340 of any, um, anyone who, uh, becomes an assistant U.S. attorney gets a background check.

00:25:16.040 And she said that if, unless, um, that she would not inform the FBI's background checkers

00:25:24.520 of me telling my husband to exercise his constitutional rights to speak to an attorney, that she wouldn't

00:25:30.320 inform them of what happened unless I became difficult.

00:25:35.260 Okay.

00:25:36.640 You know, well, I've, I've become difficult lately.

00:25:39.680 Uh, but you do have your job.

00:25:43.380 I do have my job.

00:25:44.480 Yeah.

00:25:45.080 Yeah.

00:25:45.680 And I work in a completely different district in a completely different division.

00:25:49.480 Um, so I don't have any information about what's going on in the case.

00:25:53.100 Right.

00:25:54.240 But yes, I do work for the department of justice.

00:25:56.460 Yes.

00:25:56.940 And what has happened since then?

00:25:58.780 What has happened this year?

00:26:00.800 In January of 2024, because of everything that we had learned, we knew that they were going

00:26:07.300 to bring it to an indictment.

00:26:08.500 I mean, they were absolutely determined.

00:26:10.600 The sheer volume of the corruption that we had experienced made it clear that my husband

00:26:17.460 needed to speak out in his own defense.

00:26:19.500 So in January, 2024, while he was still under investigation, but had not yet been indicted,

00:26:24.900 my husband went public and he told the world first in an interview with Chris Rufo that I am

00:26:30.880 the anonymous whistleblower from Texas Children's.

00:26:33.260 Here's what I saw happening.

00:26:35.020 And I'm under federal investigation.

00:26:37.380 And that was a hard decision.

00:26:38.520 I would say that in some ways it was the hardest decision that we made because it's

00:26:41.940 a very rare situation in which a criminal defendant is willing to speak so publicly on their

00:26:49.740 behalf.

00:26:51.980 Most lawyers would tell you, don't speak to the media.

00:26:55.260 Don't, you know, just keep it quiet.

00:26:57.960 Just, you know, let's see if we can work this out.

00:27:00.420 But what we experienced, this was not a typical case.

00:27:03.120 And my husband wanted to tell people what was happening because people needed to know what

00:27:08.660 the DOJ was doing.

00:27:10.380 And the first time that people heard his name, we wanted them to hear it as Eitan Heim whistleblower

00:27:15.600 and not Eitan Heim, you know, criminal defendant.

00:27:19.920 Yeah.

00:27:20.040 Which is what he is.

00:27:21.240 He's a whistleblower.

00:27:22.880 So in January 2024, he went public.

00:27:25.660 He was on a lot of media.

00:27:27.200 He was on Tucker Carlson, Dr. Phil, Laura Ingram multiple times, a lot of others that I'm not

00:27:35.020 naming.

00:27:35.980 He filmed a Jordan Peterson interview in June of 2023 that has over a million views.

00:27:42.000 So, I mean, really, he was trying to publish our message as wide as we could.

00:27:48.040 The other reason that we did that is because we very quickly ran out of money.

00:27:52.080 We spent our entire life savings, years of hard work.

00:27:57.620 You know, I didn't spend a lot of money when I was younger, neither did my husband.

00:28:02.340 We were saving up for our future.

00:28:03.920 And we drained all of our life savings in about three months.

00:28:07.780 Wow.

00:28:09.860 And so we knew that we needed to go public.

00:28:12.960 In addition to all the reasons I just mentioned, part of it was because we needed to be able

00:28:17.360 to get the message out there to fundraise for our legal defense.

00:28:20.080 And people have been incredibly generous.

00:28:22.320 We still have a lot to go.

00:28:25.060 But that was one of the reasons that we did that as well.

00:28:28.320 Yeah.

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00:29:50.800 So you did this media tour.

00:29:57.480 I talked to Vanessa Savage.

00:29:59.340 Obviously, the feds showed up at her house, too.

00:30:02.260 It's just so, it's so strange because clearly laws have not been broken, neither in Etan's

00:30:08.520 case or in Vanessa's case.

00:30:10.980 And yet, it seems ideologically motivated that this prosecutor, that these feds are going

00:30:19.740 after a doctor and a nurse who are sounding the alarm about things that are illegal, that

00:30:25.040 are unethical, that are non-scientific.

00:30:27.920 Even just according to their medical opinion, they absolutely have the right to speak up and

00:30:33.380 say, this is wrong that this is happening.

00:30:35.380 I don't know.

00:30:36.160 It just seems like they are ideologically motivated that they are going to protect gender

00:30:40.640 ideology at all costs, the transition of children at all costs.

00:30:45.180 And that is very dark.

00:30:47.840 Absolutely.

00:30:48.680 And there is not a doubt in my mind that this is ideologically driven.

00:30:52.400 This case, you know, the indictment, my husband was indicted in June of 2024.

00:30:58.080 And, you know, reading what they've charged him with, they've charged him not with disclosing

00:31:04.840 medical records, which is typically when you, how you would charge HIPAA.

00:31:08.940 They charged him with accessing medical records that he has access to and that as a doctor

00:31:16.120 at hospital, he was authorized to access.

00:31:18.680 So it's an absolutely insane Kafka-esque legal theory, legal procedure.

00:31:25.980 But nonetheless, in June of 2024, two days after we had moved into our new house at seven in

00:31:31.940 the morning, we got a really aggressive knock on the door.

00:31:35.540 And it was three or four armed federal marshals who served my husband with an indictment, four

00:31:42.420 felony counts of HIPAA, accessing medical records.

00:31:46.700 And something that is almost never charged as a felony and certainly never charged as a felony

00:31:52.640 in this context, carrying 10 years in prison.

00:31:55.720 So my husband was arraigned about a week later in Houston.

00:32:01.920 And right before him had been, you know, they were arraigning people on crimes of, you know,

00:32:07.060 child porn possession, drug possession, things like that, drug trafficking, all of which carried

00:32:13.480 similar length sentences to what my husband was facing.

00:32:17.200 Wow.

00:32:19.260 It was really surreal.

00:32:20.880 So can you tell us, since you're a lawyer, you can break down the legalese for us.

00:32:26.340 He was originally charged in 2023, but you said he was indicted in 2024.

00:32:31.000 Can you tell us the difference between a charge and an indictment?

00:32:34.960 So he was the target of a federal investigation in 2023.

00:32:40.560 Got it.

00:32:41.080 He was informed the investigation was happening.

00:32:44.180 Usually when the DOJ says that you're a target, actually it's required that when someone

00:32:48.520 is the target of an investigation, that they are the person who's going to be indicted.

00:32:53.500 It's different than being, let's say, a witness in an investigation or a subject of an investigation.

00:32:59.440 So June 2023, we learned that he was under federal investigation and that he was likely to be indicted.

00:33:05.980 In June of 2024, he was actually indicted, meaning that they had gone to the grand jury and specifically got an indictment

00:33:18.900 and laid out the charges, which are four felony counts of HIPAA carrying up to 10 years in person.

00:33:25.280 Okay.

00:33:26.320 And what happens at an arraignment?

00:33:29.420 You said that he was arraigned in Houston a couple months ago?

00:33:32.400 Yes, that's where you plead guilty or not guilty before a magistrate judge.

00:33:38.420 So he had pled not guilty, of course.

00:33:42.480 And then the case really just continues.

00:33:46.300 We got discovery from the government where they provided him with evidence of what they're allegedly charging him with.

00:33:53.860 And we start preparing for trial.

00:33:55.940 Initially, trial was set in August of 2024.

00:33:59.040 It was since moved to October and then was moved to December and most recently moved to early February.

00:34:10.420 So right now, his trial is scheduled for early February.

00:34:14.100 There's been a lot happening in this case since then.

00:34:17.020 I'm happy to get into that.

00:34:18.820 You know, this gag order is just one of those things.

00:34:21.260 Yes.

00:34:22.340 Yeah, go for it.

00:34:23.400 So I think the biggest thing.

00:34:24.600 Oh, go ahead.

00:34:25.380 Go ahead.

00:34:26.400 No, go ahead.

00:34:26.820 I think that I was just going to say, I think the biggest thing that's happened in this case is that the government's initial indictment charged him with false pretense that he had illegally accessed records under false pretenses.

00:34:40.400 Their belief was that he had, quote, no reason to be accessing medical records at Texas Children's.

00:34:48.800 At the time he accessed the medical records, he was officially working as part of their residency program.

00:34:55.360 He was officially working at another hospital.

00:34:57.180 But what the government knew and what they failed to include in the indictment was that my husband actually was treating patients at Texas Children's Hospital, both adult patients and pediatric patients, even when he was working at this other hospital, because he was often called to assist with surgeries there.

00:35:14.040 And we knew that in April of 2023, he actually performed surgery at Texas Children's.

00:35:19.320 So he had every reason to be in their medical system and to be accessing their medical records.

00:35:23.280 So the government knew that and they indicted him anyway and said that he had no reason.

00:35:29.380 When we pointed that out, they actually had to go back and change their indictment to take all of that out.

00:35:37.900 They also had so they had to change their indictment once and then they had to change it again because they had multiple typos in their indictment, including where they didn't even include the statute that they were charging him under.

00:35:53.060 The most legally operative part of the indictment was a typo.

00:35:57.380 They charged him with a statutory provision that didn't exist.

00:36:00.200 So they embarrassed themselves and they had to change it.

00:36:02.740 They also initially just said that he was that the victims were Texas Children's doctors and patients.

00:36:11.160 Later, they changed it to say that the victims were Texas Children's hospital and the doctors.

00:36:18.400 So there's a lot.

00:36:21.000 I mean, there's a lot of things that made it very clear that, you know, I think it was Stalin's head of the secret police area who said, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

00:36:30.900 Right.

00:36:31.060 And that's exactly what they knew they wanted to get him for because he had an ideological opposition to transgender care on children.

00:36:39.120 And that was the priority of the Biden administration.

00:36:42.120 Yeah.

00:36:42.260 And so they invented new crimes that had never been charged with work in order to in order to target him.

00:36:51.940 And the process is the punishment.

00:36:53.660 Also, even if it ends up that he is vindicated, the fact that you guys have had to spend your life savings while you've had a baby instead of just celebrating his, you know, his graduation and then getting pregnant and have a baby, which I know that you have enjoyed and celebrated all of those things.

00:37:09.860 But it is against this backdrop of this investigation.

00:37:13.720 And instead of saving for your child's future, you have had to spend all of your money, all these donations on legal fees.

00:37:20.840 And that is the punishment.

00:37:23.000 And they are trying to show people it's not worth it.

00:37:26.960 It is not worth speaking up about this, because if you do, we are going to do the same thing to you.

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00:38:45.780 Tell me what happened on December 3rd with this gag order.

00:38:49.680 So, December 3rd, and I just want to return to one thing about having our daughter.

00:38:53.480 I think this is illustrative of exactly what the toll that it's taken on our family.

00:38:59.920 So, my daughter was born on September 25th.

00:39:02.480 Unexpectedly, she was a couple weeks early, but I had gone in for my 38-week appointment and had high blood pressure, and so my doctor is up-inducing me early.

00:39:14.040 I gave birth to my daughter by emergency C-section on September 25th.

00:39:21.040 On September 26th, my husband was due in Houston for a hearing in federal court.

00:39:26.860 Wow.

00:39:27.100 So, I actually had an emergency C-section, you know, a few hours before my husband had to leave to go to Houston.

00:39:35.200 And, you know, he spent a few, I think, months, maybe two hours at most with me and our daughter, and he had to leave when I was still in post-op recovery.

00:39:47.800 Wow.

00:39:48.280 Unfortunately, my parents were able to be there with me, but that's the type of toll that this has taken, is that something is, you know, happy.

00:39:55.000 The best day of my life was the day that, you know, our baby daughter was born, and my husband had to leave early because of this proceeding.

00:40:02.980 And then, for weeks after that, I was, you know, I constantly think about the fact that he's being charged with 10 years in prison.

00:40:09.540 Yeah.

00:40:10.380 I mean, you're still freshly postpartum right now, like two months.

00:40:14.860 That's fresh.

00:40:15.740 You've got a lot going on in your mind and your body to be also dealing with this, and now you're basically the spokesperson for your husband because he can't speak up.

00:40:24.780 That's right.

00:40:25.800 That's absolutely right.

00:40:26.760 So, it's just been tough, and I think, you know, sometimes I just will look at him holding our daughter and think, you know,

00:40:31.960 what they're trying to do with us.

00:40:34.260 They're trying to put him in prison for 10 years to miss, you know, the beginning of her growing up.

00:40:38.860 And, you know, sometimes that can get overwhelming, and it can get really, really dark and really depressing if I think about it too much.

00:40:47.840 So, I just wanted to tell that story because I think that illustrates what, you know, the process is the punishment.

00:40:53.900 Oh, absolutely.

00:40:54.900 All of the worry that we've had, all of the financial tolls, you know, it's been immense.

00:41:01.280 But I think, you know, they're trying to say, to your point, that this isn't worth it to speak up.

00:41:05.860 And as somebody who's been through it and has seen my husband go through it, I don't think either of us for a second would have changed what he did because protecting these children and what they're doing to these kids and the life that they're leaving them with and taking away their choice, you know, to have a family and leaving them with irreparable medical conditions is so much worse than what's happened to us.

00:41:30.420 So, I don't think either of us would have changed that.

00:41:32.360 Well, I'm very grateful.

00:41:35.100 So, yes, tell us why you are now the spokesperson.

00:41:38.680 You're a very good spokesperson for him.

00:41:40.820 And so, I even think that was providential that you also had the legal background and you're able to articulate as well as you are.

00:41:47.820 But tell us why he is not legally able to be his own spokesperson right now.

00:41:53.780 Sure.

00:41:54.320 So, the government recently moved for what's called a gag order to stop him from speaking out.

00:42:01.360 And there are two things that pursue this.

00:42:03.580 My husband, you know, as I mentioned, has been very active in the media.

00:42:06.100 He has a very active account on X where he talks about, in honest terms, what has happened to us throughout this case, what the government's been doing.

00:42:15.880 And in most cases, he uses clips of, you know, screenshots of public hearings from this case, transcripts of public hearings, transcripts of motions that anyone can download on the Internet.

00:42:26.900 So, he's just been talking about what's happened.

00:42:30.180 And two things have happened recently in this case that I think, you know, in some ways probably precipitated their request for a gag order.

00:42:37.100 One of these is that the government absolutely embarrassed themselves at a hearing a couple of weeks ago on a motion to dismiss.

00:42:44.600 They, you know, the lead prosecutor was completely unprepared.

00:42:48.440 They were, you know, disciplined by the judge for not being prepared for the typos that I mentioned in the indictment, for various other things, practicing without a law license, things like that.

00:43:00.080 So, my husband was publishing, you know, transcripts of that hearing and commenting on them.

00:43:06.200 The other thing that we learned is that the lead prosecutor on the case, the one who had been pushing this all along, had serious financial conflicts and personal conflicts with Texas Children's Hospital.

00:43:19.220 Her brother, who's the CEO of their family company, has contracts with several hospitals in the medical center.

00:43:26.020 And both her brother and her aunt are fundraisers for Texas Children's Hospital.

00:43:30.540 What's her name again?

00:43:32.200 Her name is Tina Ansari.

00:43:34.900 And they have major, her family members are major fundraisers for Texas Children's Hospital.

00:43:42.580 We're talking in the millions of dollars.

00:43:45.100 So, we learned that.

00:43:46.680 My husband has been talking about that publicly.

00:43:48.500 There was a Fox News article that came out about these conflicts recently.

00:43:52.440 And after all of this, so she's now no longer on the case.

00:43:57.000 We don't know why, but I suspect it has something to do with those two things.

00:44:01.400 Shortly after that, you know, my husband's been posting on X since at least January 2024.

00:44:08.400 But they've only moved for a gag order recently.

00:44:10.820 And they asked the court to silence him, to stop him from what they called online bullying of prosecutors.

00:44:17.020 Mind you, this is the same office that commonly prosecutes cartel members and serious, violent offenders that they're going after my husband for bullying.

00:44:29.520 They said that, you know, he was likely to taint a jury pool, which is just an absolutely ridiculous argument.

00:44:38.400 The jury pool would have been 5.5 million people. 0.88

00:44:40.860 So, just, you know, an absolutely ridiculous motion that was designed to shut him up.

00:44:47.440 Because what he was saying was things that they didn't like.

00:44:51.020 And on December 3rd, we had a hearing in front of the judge where the government walked through all of the things that they found objectionable.

00:45:00.080 And some of these were things that they didn't like.

00:45:02.700 Really, what it was is they didn't like what my husband was saying.

00:45:05.460 They don't like that he's calling them corrupt.

00:45:07.960 He called them woke aristocrats. 0.96

00:45:10.160 He called them, you know, saying that they were incompetent.

00:45:14.120 All things which are, by the way, objectively true.

00:45:16.740 But even if they weren't, it's his right to say it.

00:45:19.980 And so, they walked through all of this.

00:45:23.460 And it was clear that, you know, this is something that I think the judge, he didn't really say his reasoning.

00:45:29.100 But it seemed clear that he didn't like it either.

00:45:31.780 He didn't like what was being said about the government.

00:45:34.040 My husband was talking about, you know, what happened in the court.

00:45:37.060 He didn't like that either.

00:45:37.920 And he, you know, imposed what we've been calling a non-gag, gag order or a de facto gag order.

00:45:45.940 He told Eitan and his attorneys to essentially stop talking about the case in the media, to stop talking about the judge, to stop talking about the prosecutors.

00:45:55.440 We don't know exactly what's barred by it, but he did threaten my husband with federal prison if he continues to engage in similar conduct to what he had been doing on X.

00:46:07.380 Yeah. So, you said the judge threatened Eitan with federal prison and his attorneys with sanctions if they continue to post so-called inflammatory content on X about the DOJ's corruption in this case.

00:46:20.300 And you also said that when the judge, I guess, put up these X posts and threatened, you know, your husband with federal prison, that it was so absurd that there was audible laughter in the courtroom, including a post from one of Eitan's attorneys, which referred to the bungling, illicit, twitching pile of catastrophe that this case is.

00:46:42.160 So, these posts were the ones put up that the judge was trying to very seriously say, see, these are awful, these are inflammatory, this is why we must put a gag order on you.

00:46:50.100 And you're saying people in the courtroom laughed?

00:46:53.640 The judge, I want to be really clear about this. It wasn't the judge that put them up, it was the prosecutors.

00:46:58.020 Okay.

00:46:58.560 Oh, yes, I see. I just said that wrong.

00:47:01.120 And told the judge, this is an example of the types of things he's been saying to reject you.

00:47:06.280 So, yeah, and that's exactly right.

00:47:08.840 It's not only were they listing Eitan's posts, but they were listing a post from his attorneys and then from various ex-users who, you know, made these comments. 0.64

00:47:19.700 I think, you know, one of them called the prosecution team a clown car of incompetent midwits or, you know, something like that. 0.65

00:47:27.400 There was audible laughter in the courtroom. 0.95

00:47:29.020 I mean, there was media there, you know, people on our side were there, there were some other prosecutors there.

00:47:36.300 There was audible laughter when they put these things up. 0.98

00:47:39.320 A clown car of laughable midwits. 0.95

00:47:43.140 Well, it's a funny picture. 0.98

00:47:44.720 It's a funny mental picture.

00:47:46.040 And, of course, the government wants to be taken very seriously.

00:47:49.940 And so, anything that hurts their pride, they are going to try to silence as much as possible.

00:47:56.020 So, what are next steps for you guys?

00:47:57.760 You're awaiting trial, which starts in February, you believe?

00:48:01.620 That's right.

00:48:02.140 Yeah, trial starts in February.

00:48:03.860 Early February is when it's scheduled.

00:48:05.360 I think February 10th is jury selection.

00:48:08.940 So, for now, I think we're just moving forward.

00:48:12.940 We're trying to get the word out of what happened in this case.

00:48:15.940 I think, you know, essentially what the judge did by not writing down a gag order.

00:48:21.220 Normally, if you're going to gag someone's First Amendment rights, if you're going to stop them from exercising their constitutional right to speak, typically you would put that in an order on paper that we can appeal to the appellate court.

00:48:35.380 And he didn't do that.

00:48:36.460 And so, it's really sort of a looming threat of what happens if my husband speaks out, what happens if the attorneys speak out.

00:48:43.880 And we just don't know.

00:48:45.960 So, for now, I'm going to continue to speak out.

00:48:49.520 I think what happened with this gag order hearing is a travesty.

00:48:54.420 I do think it's unconstitutional, in my opinion.

00:48:57.700 And so, I'm not going to allow the government to tell us what we can and can't say about this case.

00:49:03.780 And people need to know because the gag order is just the culmination of everything that has happened to us in this case at the hands of the government.

00:49:10.660 It's, you know, the cherry on the top of a sundae of incompetence and corruption that we've seen.

00:49:18.460 And so, to me, it's important that people know what's happening in this case.

00:49:22.760 They know that my husband's First Amendment rights are under attack.

00:49:27.740 But I'm not bound by the jurisdiction of the court.

00:49:30.520 And I can speak freely about what has been happening to us.

00:49:33.760 So, I'm going to continue to do that pending trial.

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00:50:29.580 My goodness, the fact that they would try to inhibit his First Amendment rights because their feelings were hurt or they were embarrassed.

00:50:39.280 I'm looking at some of these posts that he retweeted.

00:50:41.900 Someone by the name of Kyle Serafin.

00:50:43.600 I don't know all of these ex-users, but I'd like to see government officials learn their job is public, paid for by the public, and open to the public scrutiny.

00:50:51.060 The number of effeminate clowns at DOJ who blatantly engage in bad faith legal work is stunning. 0.91

00:50:56.300 It is my life's mission to professionally skewer and embarrass these absolute stooges. 0.96

00:51:00.640 Someone, I don't know who this person is on X and X user. 0.99

00:51:05.080 The prosecutorial team is a clown car of incompetent midwits, and it's not going well for them. 0.96

00:51:12.660 So now the DOJ, and it just goes on and on, explaining what happened. 0.97

00:51:16.920 And so I know that your lawyers are fighting for his First Amendment rights.

00:51:23.720 Sorry if you've already explained this, but is there a chance that this could be lifted?

00:51:27.960 He will continue to be able to speak out?

00:51:32.260 I think there definitely is a chance.

00:51:34.700 Right now, you know, the instruction is what it is.

00:51:38.520 You know, I think we're certainly he's abiding by it and his attorneys are abiding by it.

00:51:43.500 My decision to speak out has nothing to do with him.

00:51:45.520 And, you know, as soon as I, you know, heard that his, you know, he was being limited and being able to speak out, I wanted to speak out.

00:51:53.900 So I just want to be very clear that he doesn't have he doesn't write my back post.

00:51:59.080 I write my own next post.

00:52:00.220 I wanted to speak out from the get go.

00:52:03.280 This is, you know, my decision 100 percent.

00:52:08.380 So I think it could change.

00:52:10.740 I doubt that it will before trial.

00:52:14.660 I think, you know, this is just something that we're going to have to live with.

00:52:18.500 And he's abiding by the judge's instruction, as are his attorneys.

00:52:23.160 So it's just a matter of how do we continue to get the message out, you know, and my personal desire to have people know what's going on in this case.

00:52:33.260 Yes. And amen. Well, we're going to be praying for y'all and following this closely if there's anything else that we can do.

00:52:40.440 I mean, my audience is really, really good at rallying around people who are we call it sharing the arrows.

00:52:46.660 And that's exactly what you and your husband are doing.

00:52:48.960 Rather than saying, we see this thing going on, I don't want to get involved.

00:52:53.600 I'm too scared to get involved because of the risk to my career or my life.

00:52:58.240 He decided and you decided to stand up and say, you know what?

00:53:01.900 No, I'll take whatever arrows you're willing to throw at me because this cause is worth it.

00:53:06.260 And when that happens, the rest of us need to stand up and try to bolster you as much as possible.

00:53:11.300 So I'll post that Gibson go link.

00:53:13.860 And then also, if people just want to support you all in words of encouragement, is there a place they can do that?

00:53:19.960 Absolutely. And we really appreciate that, Allie Beth.

00:53:22.400 And thank you so much for giving me the platform to discuss this case.

00:53:25.460 It really means a lot to us.

00:53:27.480 So, yeah, the way they can do that is on our Gibson Go profile.

00:53:31.380 You can send prayers in addition to money.

00:53:34.960 We love both of them.

00:53:36.860 So that is GibsonGo.com backslash Texas underscore whistleblower.

00:53:42.540 There's a place to give money.

00:53:43.840 There's also a place to just give prayers.

00:53:45.380 And, you know, any encouragement would be, you know, absolutely welcome.

00:53:51.060 I mean, I can't tell you.

00:53:52.420 We would have never made it this far if not for the support of average people who just heard the story and wanted to help us.

00:53:59.260 And we're getting close to trial and the legal bills are mounting every one of these motions.

00:54:05.140 Every time the government files something like a gag order, it costs us tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.

00:54:11.240 And we absolutely could not afford it if not for the support of average people.

00:54:14.960 And we really appreciate it.

00:54:16.560 Well, thank you so much, Andrea.

00:54:18.180 We will be rooting y'all on.

00:54:19.560 Thank you so much, Alisa.

00:54:21.980 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 11, 2024

Ep 1113 ｜ Doctor Warning Against Trans 'Care' SILENCED by Gag Order ｜ Guest： Andrea Haim

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