00:03:37.360And I just also want to share the gospel with Lily and with anyone who finds themselves in even a remotely similar position or mindset as her.
00:03:51.220So it shouldn't surprise you that Lily creates content for OnlyFans, and she wanted to, I guess, do this as some sort of challenge.
00:04:01.360And she knew that it would create a lot of controversy.
00:25:18.260But just because someone is doing it to themselves doesn't mean that it's okay.
00:25:24.420The standard of whatever makes you happy, as long as you consent to it, there are a lot of things that people consent to that are still morally wrong.
00:25:33.200Because absolute morality, absolute and universal truth does exist.
00:25:38.260And people are made in the image of God.
00:25:50.920And these women, of course, are seeking love and affirmation in all of the wrong places.
00:25:55.280But when your financial situation is tied to whatever you're doing, it becomes really easy to justify it, whether it is selling yourself for sex or whether it's corruption, whether it's bribery, whether it's fraud, whatever it is, it becomes really easy to say, well, God is clearly blessing this or clearly it's fine because this is how I make my money.
00:26:16.780And she's trying to convince herself that this is a job like any other job.
00:26:20.460I mean, this is also like the whole progressive push for legalizing prostitution.
00:26:31.960I don't know if Lily Phillips has, you know, repeated that phrase, but that's basically what she's trying to convince herself and others of.
00:26:38.380Like this is just like being an accountant or being a dentist.
00:26:41.220Look, I promise you that there is no accountant that comes home and is trying to like emotionally and spiritually reconcile with like with crunchy numbers all day.
00:26:52.200Like, oh, my gosh, that those were 100 numbers in 24 hours.
00:27:03.000I've heard people, I've heard progressives, even people who consider themselves progressive Christians try to downgrade the specialness, the uniqueness of sex and so-called sex work, a.k.a. prostitution by likening it to other actions.
00:27:18.380But they lie because if someone came up and I don't know, like gave them a noogie, that would be, you know, on the street, a stranger comes up and like pulls your hair or like pushes you on the shoulder.
00:27:43.580You might even kind of laugh a little bit.
00:27:45.680But if someone came up to you and grabbed your genitalia, if someone came up to you and groped you with the same force that someone else came up to you and like pushed you on the shoulder, that would be a much bigger deal.
00:28:25.980It is supposed to be that kind of bonding gift between a man and a woman.
00:28:30.140But again, when you create that bond outside of that trusting relationship within marriage, there is going to be not only brokenness, but a lot of justification for brokenness and a lot of self-delusion because it feels really bad to feel conviction of sin and to reckon with what you're doing to yourself and your body.
00:28:50.860Mary Morgan, pop culture commentator at Tim Cass, she said, I watched the documentary about Lily Phillips, and then she says this was her immediate reaction that posts the clip that we've already played.
00:29:02.780And she said, in fear of seeming judgmental, the one and only cardinal sin recognized in modern secular culture, nobody in Lily's life stopped her from hitting self-destruct.
00:29:13.400She will remember the day that nobody stopped her.
00:29:16.120She will count that as evidence that she is worth nothing more than being used sexually, hence her own, her new record-breaking goal of a thousand.
00:31:37.760That there is nothing that you can do that will stop you from receiving the grace of God.
00:31:50.100God's grace covers every kind of sin, every kind of depravity, every kind of mistake.
00:31:57.260And if you want a new self, if you want a new start, if you want to be made pure, if you want to be made clean, if you want a clean slate, if you want to start over, then you can find that in Jesus Christ.
00:32:14.540And he will rid you of all of your sins and he will make you new and he will make you clean.
00:32:22.720And instead of being an enemy of God, which is what you are right now, which is what all of us were apart from Christ, you can be a friend of God and you can be forgiven forever and you can be given a new self and a new way of life.
00:32:38.000And that is what you will be defined by.
00:32:40.480And the great thing about Jesus is that when he died for us on the cross, when he, by grace through faith, saved us, he gives us his righteousness because Jesus is the only perfect one who has ever lived.
00:33:47.680Like it will be worth giving up every bit of money, every follower, every fan, every ounce of fame that you have accumulated by selling your body.
00:33:58.580It is worth giving that all up to save your soul.
00:34:05.460And you are very, very, very loved and valued by him.
00:34:10.340And he showed that to you by sending his own son to die on the cross for your sins.
00:34:15.680And that is all of us who are Christians, like that is what we are all recipients of.
00:34:21.940We all see ourselves not as these like perfectly righteous people, but as people who are so messed up and who were so far from God that we needed God to come down and to save us and to give us his righteousness and his perfection.
00:34:37.280And that's what he did through Christ.
00:34:38.680And so I just, I just hope that one day someone shares that with Lily and I hope and pray for that testimony, even if we never know about it.
00:34:49.260Cause I almost don't, I wouldn't even want a testimony like that to be turned into content.
00:34:53.340Like I just hope that God saves her and he can, he saves to the uttermost.
00:34:58.820He saves those who are far off, those who are near.
00:35:20.200We've gone through a lot of diapers with three kids and the brand that I trust the most, not only because of their values, but because of the effectiveness of their product is Every Life.
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00:35:32.900They do their job really well, but they're also really clean.
00:35:36.340A lot of those other clean, big diaper companies that we've loved over the years, they actually donate a lot of their money, your money, to pro-abortion politicians and to pro-abortion organizations.
00:35:49.380And you just don't want to have to worry about that, especially when you're buying products for your baby.
00:35:55.980You don't want to support pro-baby killing companies and organizations.
00:36:24.540Speaking of babies, there is this fascinating but also very disturbing story that I saw on Bloomberg a few days ago.
00:36:37.420It's titled How a Billionaire's Baby Project ensnared dozens of women and it shows really the lack of legal parameters and regulations that we have around creating children in the United States.
00:36:54.900I mean, we're talking about commodifying your body through sex.
00:36:58.160Well, surrogacy, egg donation, and sperm donation, which is really egg selling and sperm selling, these all commodify and objectify children as things to be bought rather than people to be created and to be cared for and to be loved.
00:37:16.960It's really like have a child at whatever cost and there's almost no law that is really going to stop you from doing that.
00:37:23.600And we see this in the story of this person named Greg Lindberg.
00:37:28.300He is a now disgraced insurance businessman.
00:37:30.760He amassed a large amount of wealth but recently was convicted of fraud.
00:37:35.680He's probably going to go to prison soon.
00:37:37.540This is just his latest legal trouble.
00:37:40.380He began a highly controversial project a few years ago using financial and emotional manipulation along with some eugenesis characteristics, apparently, to father 12 children using specially recruited and highly paid egg donors.
00:37:57.180And again, I just want to make sure I'm defining my terms.
00:38:01.340We say sperm donor because selling human tissue is illegal in most cases in the United States.
00:38:07.640And so the workaround there is that people who are giving their eggs or giving their sperm, oh, they're getting paid for their time.
00:38:17.060They're getting paid for the effort that it takes to donate these things.
00:38:20.600They're not technically getting paid for the actual DNA.
00:38:23.980But of course, that is what is really being sold because a person who purchases an egg donor or who purchases a sperm donor, they're not getting in return the time and the effort.
00:38:35.600They are getting the DNA that is what they are paying for.
00:38:39.140It's actually insane that we have allowed that to be a legal workaround.
00:38:44.120And also ask yourself, why is it illegal to sell human tissue?
00:38:50.020Why do we make an exception for the kind of human tissue that creates new life that cannot consent to be created in that way?
00:38:56.860Most elements of Lindbergh's baby project were perfectly legal in the United States, even if they were controversial, which is exactly why I think we have to talk about it.
00:39:08.680Last month, Greg Lindbergh pled guilty to money laundering fraud charges in a $2 billion scheme.
00:39:15.540And that is kind of, I guess, what highlighted what he is doing behind the scenes and why Bloomberg decided to write this expose.
00:39:25.100So here's a little background and why he decided to do this.
00:39:29.940He and his wife had two children and chose to have their third child via IVF.
00:39:37.520He was intrigued by the IVF experience when they went through that.
00:39:41.480Then five years after the birth of their third child, the couple got divorced.
00:39:45.800There was an ongoing custody battle after that over the children.
00:39:51.000And then around this time, Lindbergh started planning his baby project.
00:39:55.320He recalled, I really wanted to have a child that ultimately I couldn't lose in a custody battle.
00:40:01.600I have heard this now multiple times by so-called men's rights activists on social media that the only way for a father to truly protect his progeny is to have a child via egg donor, via surrogate, because those women signed their parental rights away.
00:40:23.000And then you have this child that you have basically bought and rented, rented the womb of one woman, paid for the eggs of another woman, basically prostituted two women in order to get this child to intentionally raise them without their mother or the only woman that they have ever known.
00:40:45.620Even if it does ensure that you never have to fight over this child in a custody battle, you don't need to create the child in the first place.
00:40:52.920That is also a way not to fight for a child over in a custody battle.
00:40:58.620So this guy, Lindbergh, he put his executive assistant in charge of coordinating with the fertility clinics and making the necessary appointments and payments.
00:41:06.940Another one of his assistants agreed to be the first surrogate.
00:41:10.920So he would go on dates with these women.
00:42:18.020Over the years, Lindbergh actively recruited egg donors and surrogates, including several women he dated or recruited via high net worth matchmaking services and Instagram.
00:42:27.720Lindbergh used clinics across the U.S. and abroad, including California, Illinois, Nevada, Barbados, to facilitate his baby project.
00:42:35.300He reportedly paid donors between $75,000 to $100,000 each and promised financial incentives of up to $1.5 million for certain women.
00:42:48.380So just remember, too, that the egg donor and the surrogate are typically two different people.
00:42:57.860And in many cases, they actually legally have to be two different people.
00:43:01.540Now, is that, like, protective of the baby?
00:43:04.400Is that protective of the egg donor or the egg seller or the surrogate?
00:43:13.100It's to protect the parents or the parent that is purchasing the child.
00:43:16.720Because if you have the egg seller and the surrogate be the same person, so if the woman is just, say, she's just conceived via the sperm of the father who is purchasing the child and then she carries the child, OK, then she's got a really big bond with that child.
00:43:35.040And it's going to be very hard for her emotionally to sign away her parental rights.
00:43:40.660But when you are an egg seller, you never meet the child, you don't carry the child, you don't even know what it's like to, like, have your DNA and the other person's DNA come together to make a new life, then you don't feel that connection.
00:43:58.060You certainly don't feel a claim on the child.
00:44:01.900And then if you are the surrogate, yes, you do create that physiological bond with that child.
00:44:07.900That's how God created women's bodies in gestation.
00:44:10.580You're supposed to create that bond because God wants someone to be able to have the instinct to protect that child that is so vulnerable and helpless when they're born.
00:44:20.560But if it's not your biological child, then you also feel like, OK, yeah, I've got this emotional bond, but I can suppress it because I know this is not my child.
00:44:28.480So that's why these two women are typically disconnected to protect the purchase of the purchasers of the children.
00:44:38.680Lindbergh had multiple surrogates pregnant at a time, so also paying them to be the incubators of their baby as of his babies.
00:44:47.180As part of their contract with Lindbergh, the women signed away their rights to the eggs and any future children, seemingly under the guise that Lindbergh would still include them as the mother.
00:44:59.080Lindbergh used the contract to maintain his sole custody and cut the mother out of the child's life.
00:45:04.180When Lindbergh believed that one of the egg sellers wanted to spend time with her child, Lindbergh wrote to his assistant to handle the situation.
00:45:11.180She is an egg donor, and I do not share a child with her.
00:45:14.460Lindbergh's assistant wrote to the mother, you pushed yourself away by being stupid enough to sell your eggs and believe he was going to want a relationship with you.
00:45:27.960I mean, that's literally you were a prostitute for this guy, but worse than a prostitute, because in prostitution, at least you're only objectifying yourself.
00:45:38.280But when you are giving your eggs to someone, you are objectifying, commodifying a helpless child who cannot consent to that.
00:45:47.780One donor was told to lie to doctors about her medical history during screenings.
00:45:53.360One thing that we unfortunately are learning more about with IVF and the egg selling process, everything that goes into that, the drugs, the hormones that are pumped into your body to make your eggs available for procuring, they can be very dangerous from a woman's body.
00:46:13.480They increase your likelihood of breast cancer and of ovarian cancer.
00:46:18.340But we're just going on and on with this.
00:46:21.740Fertility clinics were also a part of this.
00:46:25.340When dealing with the fertility industry, he said he didn't feel any resistance at all.
00:46:41.320Like, who's going to take care of them?
00:46:42.460You want to take care of these 12 children?
00:46:44.540I mean, there could be something very nefarious going on here.
00:46:47.020I don't know, but we have heard other stories of very rich men around the world creating children, motherless children, for very nefarious and profitable purposes.
00:47:02.000I don't know if that's the case here, but I would think that someone along the way should have stopped to ask.
00:47:09.040He said he worked with several fertility clinics, many of which knew about the large sums of money Lindbergh was paying for his treatments but didn't intervene.
00:47:17.380At Kind Body Clinic in Chicago, there were reports of clinic staff speeding up the screening process for Lindbergh's egg sellers and failing to adequately address the complaints from donors about coercion.
00:47:27.720Wow, this reminds me so much of Planned Parenthood.
00:47:30.460Planned Parenthood also covers for abusers.
00:47:32.340If you've got a rich guy that brings a teenage girl in and says, yeah, you know, I had sex with her and she needs an abortion, they're not going to say a word.
00:47:41.920This reproductive industry, I'm telling you, is full of absolute money hungry rot.
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00:49:19.040Okay, so this guy has already been to prison.
00:49:23.900He was in prison in 2020, but he somehow continued to manage this project, even when he was in prison, making sure that he had the egg sellers and the surrogates lined up.
00:49:35.660I don't understand how he continued to have the money for this.
00:49:42.040First, Olivia Molina, his fiancee, played a key role in continuing the baby project after Lindbergh's prison sentence, recruiting egg sellers via Instagram and managing Lindbergh's baby making operations.
00:49:54.100I'm telling you, he was looking for a way to make money through these children.
00:49:57.780He still has, quote unquote, a ton of embryos stored at fertility clinics from multiple egg sellers, although he recently paused the baby project, apparently.
00:50:08.580When asked if he plans to use them, he said, if I have the resources and the time and the youth, the youth, I feel somewhat obligated to see, morally obligated, to see if there's humans in those embryos.
00:50:34.040Whether you are someone like this guy or whether you are using IVF as a married man and a woman and you're trying to create children, obviously the motivations there are different.
00:51:39.300You don't know what he's going to do with them.
00:51:40.720You don't know if they're going to share your same faith.
00:51:42.720Or do you discard them knowing that you have now killed the children that you have created?
00:51:48.500That is the gamble that every single couple, no matter how well-meaning or no matter how malicious like this guy, no matter the intent, that is the gamble that every single couple takes when they embark on IVF.
00:52:02.400And I know I'm always told that is too harsh.
00:52:06.380What are people supposed to do who don't want to have kids?
00:52:08.860And while I absolutely have so much compassion for the pain of infertility, IVF is not the answer.
00:52:18.380And again, I'm not saying that your situation is like this, guys.
00:52:21.400But I do want to show you that the industry is rotten, that the industry itself is rotten.
00:52:43.680And I would say for a Christian who understands that, that these embryos are made in the image of God and therefore how we see their precious lives and how we treat them matters, that it is not worth the risk.
00:52:54.680I know that there are some couples who have been able to create the exact number of embryos that they were willing to carry.
00:53:02.940That's absolutely the best case scenario.
00:53:06.260And I'm so thankful that for the couples that were able to do that and that they did that even maybe having more children than they initially planned for because they felt responsible for all of those embryos.
00:53:37.020Children are gifts that God can give us to steward and be responsible for and be thankful for.
00:53:43.320But they are not objects that we have a right to.
00:53:47.600It's not a means justifies the ends situation here.
00:53:51.180And I think that this story really just highlights the absolute corruption and just the low, low view we have of human life and babies.
00:54:01.820He says, Lindbergh said, okay, so he says that this project is to preserve who we are as a civilization, as a species, whatever that means.
00:55:50.920But let us promote marriage to get there, not the commodifying of people's bodies and children.
00:55:56.200He did know, again, I said this earlier, that five of his children have Latina mothers, and so we don't have to worry about apparently people implying that, oh, he just wanted, like, white children.
00:56:15.460And again, I would just look into what is the wild, wild west of the reproductive industry in the United States.
00:56:23.020It is responsible for more lost lives every year than the abortion industry.
00:56:30.140Isn't that ironic that the reproduction industry is actually responsible for more baby death through embryonic destruction and eugenics than abortion?
00:56:43.240God have mercy on all professing Christians who have known about this, been silent about this, or chosen ignorance because it's hard.
00:56:53.280And if you're new to this, we've got tons and tons of episodes on it.
00:56:57.040You can type in Relatable Surrogacy or Relatable IVF on YouTube, wherever you listen, and you can binge those over the next few weeks, and you will learn a lot.
00:57:54.840We're going to try to get into Daystar just a little bit because I told you guys that I would update you and I can't keep putting it off.
00:58:02.780But I'm going to have to condense it because we just don't have a whole lot of time to get into all of the new revelations of this Daystar scandal.
00:58:10.900But let me just tell you about our last sponsor and then we'll do as much as we can.
00:59:12.440Okay, so you'll remember Daystar is the charismatic, professing Christian TV network.
00:59:20.300It's been around for a long time, and I would say that it platforms the prosperity gospel like no other outlet.
00:59:27.320So I'm not a fan, but there are a lot of you who are interested in this, not only because it's Daystar, but because of the potential victims within it, within this scandal that's going on.
00:59:44.120And I'm going to try, again, to give you as much of an update as I can and a recap without going too lengthy because it's going to be a super long episode.
00:59:52.880Okay, so Jonathan Lamb is the son of Daystar president.
00:59:56.860Joni Lamb, his wife Susie, and Jonathan are alleging in recent interviews that a family member and employee of Daystar only identified as Pete, is suspected of sexually abusing their daughter, and that Joni and other higher-ups at Daystar covered up the allegations.
01:00:13.480Jonathan and Susie claimed that Joni and her husband and Jonathan's dad, Marcus, tried to diminish the incident and later told them that Pete had been cleared of all guilt through a forensic psychologist that apparently Marcus had hired to do a lie detector test because Jonathan and Susie said that their four-year-old daughter claimed that this guy had touched her inappropriately.
01:00:34.560Jonathan also claimed that he walked in on some beach retreat and this guy was standing in the room with his naked daughter, and so obviously this blew up into a whole thing, and, you know, Joni and Marcus said that we're going to take care of this.
01:00:48.400We'll do a lie detector test. Don't worry. It cleared him.
01:00:51.720But there was a lot of drama here because Marcus also died shortly after these allegations were being made, at least privately.
01:01:01.280He died of COVID complications. And then very shortly after that, Joni married someone new named Doug, and apparently Jonathan and Susie did not approve of that marriage.
01:01:14.640And so that caused a lot of drama, apparently, behind the scenes.
01:01:19.680And so when these allegations finally came to light, and they just came to light over the past few weeks, that Joni and Marcus had allegedly covered up the sexual abuse of their granddaughter by another Daystar employee and possibly a family member,
01:01:40.120However, it was then purported by Joni and her defense that, no, Jonathan and Susie are just mad.
01:01:48.360They're mad about my marriage to Doug that happened so quickly after my husband died.
01:01:54.200And also, they are mad because Jonathan wasn't made president or CEO or head of Daystar, and I was made head of Daystar.
01:02:02.680So all of these allegations that Jonathan and Susie are putting out there are really just revenge.
01:02:09.520However, there was audio that showed Jonathan and Joni and then Jimmy Evans.
01:02:15.100He is also a pastor, a big part of Daystar, having a conversation after Jonathan and Susie, like, disapproved of Joni and Doug's marriage,
01:02:27.540where Jimmy Evans was saying, look, Joni is the voice of God to you.
01:02:33.660She's basically God at Daystar, whatever she says goes, and if you don't do what we say, then you are not going to be promoted or we are going to let you go.
01:02:48.240So Joni and Jimmy pressure Jonathan and Susie to submit to Joni's authority, calling her the voice of God.
01:02:56.600At Daystar, Jimmy Evans asked Jonathan, if God came to you right now and he is saying you made a mistake, would you correct it?
01:03:05.480And he says, okay, well, God has spoken to you.
01:03:31.600You have about a thumbnail of experience compared to us.
01:03:34.660Later in the meeting, Joni tells Susie that she is not allowed to have convictions and fires her from Daystar for refusing to read a viewer comment celebrating her second marriage.
01:03:42.520So that's apparently what a lot of this argument is about.
01:04:05.240That was a month after she decided to marry this guy, Doug Weiss.
01:04:11.400And then Jonathan and Susie later in October of 2023 tried to reconcile over this disagreement.
01:04:19.900And I read a portion of the letter about this on the last episode about Daystar.
01:04:24.960But a lot of you pointed out, and I appreciate this, that it was missing context that when Joni read part of the letter that I had read, that she made it seem like he was manipulating her and that this was about these were about the allegations of sexual abuse.
01:04:44.340Apparently it was actually about the disapproval of the marriage, which Jimmy Evans and Joni were angry about because they refused to read a congratulatory message from a viewer on air.
01:05:00.620So Jonathan said, the list of demands that we received, so they received a list of demands from Daystar saying, like, this is what you need to do to basically earn back our trust after you disapproved of this marriage.
01:05:16.540They said, Jonathan said, these demands are overreaching, inaccurate, and missing essential terms that we view as a prerequisite to moving forward.
01:05:23.960This episode began because of Joni's need to control our biblical convictions to suit her personal choices.
01:05:28.520We will not compromise on our biblical beliefs and moral convictions.
01:05:31.820We are, however, willing to keep those beliefs to ourselves, and we can agree not to share our thoughts about Joni's marriage to Doug on air with our viewers, with staff, or on social media.
01:05:44.500During the meeting with Joni and Jimmy Evans, Joni purported to fire Susie and promptly removed her from all appearances on Daystar.
01:05:53.400And then here's the section that Joni quoted.
01:05:55.780We remain willing to put this episode behind us.
01:05:57.780However, we also require security, transparency, and certainty about our future at Daystar.
01:06:01.540So what I messed up on last time is that I thought that he was referencing there the abuse or alleged abuse of his child, but that's not what he was referencing.
01:06:13.300He was referencing the episode of the audio that we just heard, that whole back and forth of saying Joni is the voice of God.
01:06:20.200You have to approve of our marriage, basically.
01:06:21.880To achieve the goal of reconciliation, Jonathan says,
01:06:26.380It is worth noting, also, this communication happened before November 18, 2023.
01:06:44.140It is worth noting, also, this communication happened before November 18, 2023, which is when Jonathan and Susie found out that Daystar's internal investigations
01:06:59.480had not actually cleared the Daystar employee accused of molesting their daughter like they were told by Jonathan's father.
01:07:06.660So if you're wondering, well, hang on, what happened to those allegations?
01:07:10.040Why aren't those allegations at the center of this division?
01:07:14.820Like, why is it the approval or disapproval of the marriage?
01:07:18.480Well, Jonathan and Susie, at this point, they had kind of thought that that had been reconciled, that there was, like, nothing that could be done about that, I guess.
01:08:11.960After this interview with the original journalist who released the story about the alleged abuse issued a correction that Pete was not alone in the room.
01:08:22.120And so she says that completely disproves all of this.
01:08:25.040Of course, Jonathan and Susie don't see it that way.
01:08:27.600And I would not say that just because there were other children in the room, that necessarily clears him of any wrongdoing there.
01:08:35.140Um, she says that her children, Jonathan and Susie, were supportive of her marriage to Doug until she mentioned adding Doug as a co-host to her show.
01:08:44.120When she told Jonathan, Susie, and her other children that Doug would be co-hosting with her,
01:08:48.380apparently Susie did a complete 180 from her earlier excitement and turned against her.
01:09:00.240Marcus is her first husband, Jonathan's dad.
01:09:02.180And, um, for Jonathan to be the president while he was alive or while he was alive, uh, Joni said, uh, she is obviously not the voice of God.
01:09:12.160It was an illustration to point out that she is the authority at Daystar.
01:09:17.160She also claims that Jonathan had been put on a performance improvement plan after repeatedly mismanaging several departments.
01:09:23.460He was the head over causing several people to quit.
01:09:27.240She says he did not improve and that was why he was fired.
01:09:30.340So she claims it had nothing to do with the marriage.
01:09:32.180It didn't have to do with the allegations.
01:09:33.620It had to do with the fact that he wasn't doing a good job.
01:09:37.020Jonathan and Susie say, nope, that was incorrect.
01:09:40.580When it comes to the allegation that their child made, uh, they deny that Pete was just innocently, uh, standing in the room.
01:09:51.060Um, Susie claimed that Pete followed the children when he saw their daughter going upstairs to change, causing her to feel uneasy, which is why she went up to the room.
01:09:59.860Jonathan and Susie clarified that on November 18th, 2023, they found out that Pete had not been cleared by the lie detector guy, the forensic psychologist, um, in 2021 and, uh, following the, following the incident.
01:10:14.800And it was after this that Jonathan and Susie took their daughter to a counselor who then reported the suspected abuse to CPS.
01:10:21.400So that's also a clarity, uh, clarifying thing on the timeline that I didn't get right or tell all of last week.
01:10:28.340This is when the police reopened the case into the sexual abuse of their daughter.
01:10:32.140Jonathan and Susie revealed that they have been followed by a private investigator in an obvious and harassing way.
01:10:38.600Jonathan also claims that in 2023, he felt led by the Holy Spirit to look at the surveillance footage of the Daystar building.
01:10:44.460And at that exact moment, he saw a security guard put a tracker on his car.
01:11:19.260So she's saying that it didn't really happen.
01:11:21.740And I guess she believes that her child or that her grandchild lied about this or that the parents are lying about this.
01:11:28.400She explains the beach house incident.
01:11:30.560She said that the facts were purposely left out to drive a damaging, uh, narrative.
01:11:36.600Joni confirmed that there was an incident where the young girl accidentally walked in on Pete showering in 2020.
01:11:41.920Prior to the beach house incident, Joni adds that neither Susie nor Jonathan were upset about this at the time.
01:11:47.820Well, maybe because all of these things were kind of coming together and they realized they were, I'm just saying possibly there were too many instances of Pete accidentally being around their child, whether she was naked or he was naked.
01:12:01.580That just seems like a lot of things to, to happen that are just a coincidence.
01:12:06.920I'm just saying Joni responded to the vehicle trackers accusation that Jonathan made.
01:12:12.780Joni said that all day star vehicles have trackers and dry and Jonathan was driving a day star vehicle.
01:12:21.600So, uh, Joni claimed they started doing this after her father who used to work at day star, but suffered from dementia got lost while driving one of the vehicles.
01:12:32.060According to Jonathan's Instagram, his grandfather, Joni's father died in April, 2020.
01:12:36.840Jonathan claimed that day star didn't buy its first vehicle tracker until October, 2023.
01:12:41.640So one of them is not telling the truth there.
01:12:44.700Joni said that she hasn't seen Jonathan and Susie's children or, um, her, uh, Jonathan and Susie's children, her grandchildren.
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